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00:01:56 <Phazorx> is crash in tunnel resolved? 00:03:17 <Rubidium> no 00:03:35 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r10602 /branches/NewGRF_ports/ (19 files in 5 dirs): [NewGRF_ports] -Sync: with trunk r10593:10601. 00:03:56 <Phazorx> hmm... sucks :| 00:04:20 <Rubidium> yup, but I've got no idea how to solve it and the person who has is very busy 00:04:36 <Phazorx> what's the root of the issue? 00:16:32 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-155-84.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 00:23:39 *** Murray-Mint [~none@87-194-96-168.bethere.co.uk] has quit [] 00:32:59 *** SpaceCom [~myrka@noorus.aklubi.ee] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:35:14 *** Caemyr [Caemyr@82-43-152-123.cable.ubr03.nmal.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [] 00:41:16 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B74D05.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 00:44:44 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B775E1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:57:43 *** Caemyr 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Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 09:50:08 *** Smoky555 [~Miranda@80.69.148.14] has joined #openttd 09:50:37 *** DaleStan__ [~Dale@pool-71-98-111-190.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 09:53:30 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-111-190.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:57:30 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@pool-71-98-111-190.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:17:12 *** JazzyJaffa [~ben@85-211-128-49.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 10:18:57 *** Tino|R152 [Tino@52N.UNI-MUENSTER.DE] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 10:21:38 <Nickman> For some reason the newer nightlies (r10559 for example) runs very slow on my computer... 10:21:41 <Nickman> even the starting screen 10:22:09 <Nickman> but the NoAi branch (r10582) is running very smooth 10:22:13 <Nickman> what could be causing this? 10:24:38 <Eddi|zuHause> made an unoptimised/debug build? 10:26:33 *** Gekko [~Brendan@CPE-124-184-23-75.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 3.2.6 Anomalies http://www.kvirc.net/] 10:27:31 <Nickman> downloaded the nightlies from the site so... 10:28:07 <Rubidium> what nightly exactly? (OS) 10:28:23 <Nickman> Win32 10:28:25 <Nickman> On vista 10:28:31 <Nickman> used to work fine before so... 10:29:50 <Eddi|zuHause> what if you compile yourself? 10:29:58 <Eddi|zuHause> (e.g. with buildottd) 10:31:01 <Rubidium> maybe his nightly uses (for some reason unknown to me) SDL instead of GDI 10:31:18 <Nickman> what you mean Rubidium? 10:31:36 <Nickman> I'll compile my own version from trunk, lets see 10:31:50 <Rubidium> if you start the nightly with openttd -v gdi (or -v win32) don't know exactly, does it perform better? 10:32:04 <Nickman> I'll try 10:32:39 <Nickman> omg, I found it :D, stupid me 10:32:50 <Nickman> I had the 32 bit blitter activated in my shortcut 10:32:55 <Nickman> I forgot all about that :D 10:33:11 <Nickman> it makes the game run pretty slow while it doesn't need to do anything :p 10:33:13 <Nickman> wierd 10:33:25 <Nickman> thanks anyway for the help guys! 10:37:25 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@pool-71-98-111-190.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 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#openttd 14:06:54 *** Adriaan [~Adriaan@195-240-93-239.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 14:06:54 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:06:59 <Adriaan> hey 14:07:05 <Adriaan> i dont know if this is a known way 14:07:16 <alex_> ok 14:07:24 <Adriaan> but if you want to bypass the city reglements 14:07:31 <Adriaan> aka you cannot build in that city 14:07:44 <Adriaan> i just plant extremely much trees around the city 14:07:51 <Adriaan> and then build the station/whatever in these trees 14:07:59 <Adriaan> the city doesnt complain then 14:08:25 <Adriaan> someone experienced the same? 14:08:29 <Belugas> it is indeed a known way :) 14:08:55 <Adriaan> ah cool :) 14:09:05 <Belugas> congratulations of finding it on your own :) 14:09:21 <Adriaan> haha thanks 14:09:35 <Adriaan> are there other suck hacks? 14:10:05 <Adriaan> *such 14:10:07 <Adriaan> heh 14:11:08 <Digitalfox_Desktop> The unrealistic way, is that if destroy every tree in a town and build the same number you get more good reputation, but it's also true in real life that a company that invests in nature also gets good reputation in local or national authorities :) 14:11:13 <Belugas> not really a hack, by the way. Just a means to appeal the city 14:12:23 <peter1138> cities like trees 14:13:16 *** Sacro|Laptop [~Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 14:13:36 *** Hendikins [~wolfox@CPE-121-209-208-168.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Quit: Any technology, no matter how primitive, is magic to those who don't understand it] 14:14:25 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 14:15:10 *** Sacro|Laptop [~Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [] 14:16:34 *** Hendikins [~wolfox@ppp121-44-56-83.lns2.syd6.internode.on.net] has joined #openttd 14:22:45 *** DeGhosty [De_Ghost@CPE0050ba8caf2c-CM0011aec4b06a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #openttd 14:24:25 *** Tefad [~tefad@c-71-63-13-71.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 14:30:44 <Eddi|zuHause> i have a suggestion regarding that, if rating is too low, disallow removing trees! 14:31:16 *** Tlustoch [~last_evol@vetrnik.koleje.cuni.cz] has joined #openttd 14:31:24 <hylje> :> 14:31:40 <Eddi|zuHause> (i.e. if you want to remove a tree, you have to plant one elsewhere 14:31:44 <Eddi|zuHause> ) 14:31:49 <DeGhosty> lol 14:31:51 <alex_> thats stupid 14:31:54 <DeGhosty> agree 14:32:02 <Eddi|zuHause> no it's not 14:32:07 <alex_> im not going to build fucking tress everywhr 14:32:09 <alex_> this is openttdf 14:32:22 <alex_> not open-build-a-garden 14:32:28 <Eddi|zuHause> it removes the cheat that you can cut trees at the lowest rating, which is "for free" 14:32:56 <Eddi|zuHause> and then build new trees geting more reputation than you ever had before 14:33:21 <DeGhosty> that's poor man's trick 14:33:26 <DeGhosty> what's wrong with thaT? 14:33:43 <DeGhosty> you don't have to do it if you don' want :) 14:33:47 <Eddi|zuHause> it's a cheat that totally undermines the whole reputation system 14:34:15 <Eddi|zuHause> make a real cheat "ignore town ratings", and balance the system 14:34:41 <JazzyJaffa> Hi, Is there any easy was to find out if an MP_STATION tile is the water end of a dock? 14:35:33 <Eddi|zuHause> JazzyJaffa: richk is messing around with stations currently 14:36:14 <JazzyJaffa> I know there are plans afoot to make docks have queues etc 14:36:17 <JazzyJaffa> pretty cool 14:36:37 *** Tobin [~tobin@c58-107-50-36.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 14:36:45 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, but that's probably a 0.7+ feature... 14:37:01 <JazzyJaffa> I just need to know if a station tile is a dock 14:37:24 <JazzyJaffa> I'll prob have to do it the hard way 14:37:55 <Eddi|zuHause> there's no map accessor for that? 14:38:40 <JazzyJaffa> Doesn't look like it, I might be missing something though 14:39:38 <Tlustoch> I have a question :-) 14:40:17 <Tlustoch> When I have 2 trains in station waiting for example for coal, why isn't first one loaded and then the second one? Why does it load both at once?? 14:43:42 <Hendikins> Because you're not using the improved loading algorithm? 14:43:56 <DeGhosty> because it's faster 14:43:56 <DeGhosty> :) 14:44:05 <DeGhosty> if you have more then ur train capacity 14:44:24 *** Darkebie [~dkb@d5153D5CD.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 14:46:19 <JazzyJaffa> Tlustoch: http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Improved_Loading 14:46:23 <Tlustoch> Oh I see the option now. 14:47:43 <Tlustoch> And what about passengers (where I do not use "load")? 14:53:01 *** e1ko [~L@205.117.broadband9.iol.cz] has joined #openttd 14:56:06 *** Ailure [Gamefreak@194.47.44.201] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:58:24 <Tlustoch> How do I compile game without squirrel? 14:59:36 <Belugas> you can use trunk for that :) 15:00:12 <Tlustoch> But I need version with AI API 15:01:38 <glx> why don't you want squirrel? 15:02:11 <Tlustoch> I need C++ 15:02:28 <glx> both are usable in NoAI 15:02:58 <Tlustoch> But why should I compile squirrel again and again when I will not need it? 15:03:21 <glx> it's compiled only once if no files are changed in it 15:05:13 *** Mucht_ [~Mucht@p57A0C90A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:05:52 *** Mucht [~Mucht@p57A0C90A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 15:05:56 <Sacro> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/152697 15:07:48 <hylje> whaaaaaaaat 15:13:56 *** NW|Aerandir [magic.powe@90-230-201-111-no37.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:16:52 *** NW|Aerandir [magic.powe@90-230-201-111-no37.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 15:18:07 <JazzyJaffa> Looks like global pathfinding for ships is working! 15:18:23 <Digitalfox_Desktop> Sacro: What the hell is that KB?? 15:18:47 <Sacro> Digitalfox_Desktop: not entirely sure... 15:19:27 <Digitalfox_Desktop> I've seen some strange things at microsoft, but that is one of the fews that makes say WHAT... 15:21:14 <JazzyJaffa> knowledge base I think 15:22:20 <Digitalfox_Notebook> JazzyJaffa: We know that, the point is in what the KB has... 15:23:34 <Digitalfox_Notebook> I receive from six on six months 13 CD's from KB of microsoft, send by them.. Gonna check to see if that KB is there.. 15:25:52 <Eddi|zuHause> "ACHTUNG: Der folgende Knowledge Base Artikel wurde durch ein maschinelles Übersetzungssystem ohne jegliche menschliche Mitwirkung übersetzt." <- lmao :p 15:27:38 *** Digitalfox_Desktop_ [~Digitalfo@bl7-182-248.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 15:27:41 *** Ben_1 [~Ben@91.84.106.114] has joined #openttd 15:29:02 *** XeryusTC2 [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 15:29:38 <Digitalfox_Notebook> Eddi|zuHause: But in English there were no "translated by a machine translation system without any human co-operation." I've read it in English in My desktop and in Portuguese in my notebook ( it differs the language based on your regional location configuration) 15:30:19 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, i know, but the thing is why they do that at all :p 15:30:41 <Eddi|zuHause> machine translations are more often than not worse to understand than the original 15:30:57 <Digitalfox_Notebook> true :) 15:31:17 *** Tobin [~tobin@c58-107-50-36.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 15:31:21 *** dihedral_ [~nathanael@joshua.dihedral.de] has joined #openttd 15:31:27 *** Noldo_ [vheino@jumi.lut.fi] has joined #openttd 15:31:36 *** raaq_ [raaq@bot.kapsi.fi] has joined #openttd 15:31:41 *** scia [~scia@85.149.96.102] has joined #openttd 15:31:55 <Digitalfox_Notebook> Oh shit 4:31 PM and haven't had lunch yet.. -bye.. 15:32:07 <Noldo_> it happens 15:32:42 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@ti0140a340-0439.bb.online.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:32:42 *** dihedral [~nathanael@joshua.dihedral.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:32:42 *** Noldo [vheino@jumi.lut.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:32:42 *** raaq [raaq@bot.kapsi.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:32:42 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:32:42 *** Digitalfox_Desktop [~Digitalfo@bl7-182-248.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:32:45 *** Digitalfox_Desktop_ is now known as Digitalfox_Desktop 15:33:58 *** JazzyJaffa [~ben@fwnat-pub-1.physics.ox.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:33:58 *** _Ben_ [~Ben@91.84.106.114] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:34:00 *** Noldo_ is now known as Noldo 15:34:18 *** JazzyJaffa [~ben@fwnat-pub-1.physics.ox.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 15:35:05 *** thgergo [~th_gergo@dsl51B60E2F.pool.t-online.hu] has left #openttd [] 15:36:13 *** Adriaan [~Adriaan@195-240-93-239.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:39:35 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@ti0140a340-0439.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 15:45:01 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A4A14.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:47:11 <Tlustoch> Where do I find data type defition? For example TileIndex? 15:47:42 <glx> usually in hearders 15:47:45 <glx> $headers 15:55:41 *** e1ko [~L@205.117.broadband9.iol.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:56:15 *** Timwi [Timwi@cpc3-cmbg8-0-0-cust421.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 15:56:17 <Timwi> Hi! 15:56:21 <Timwi> Any hardcore developers around? :)) 15:56:43 <JazzyJaffa> Tlustoch: grep is where you fin most things 15:56:46 <Timwi> Suppose I wanted to translate OpenTTD into a new language, but it doesn't display a particular character. How hard would it be for me to add that character to the game? 15:57:24 <glx> use a font 15:58:39 <Timwi> Where is the font stored? 15:58:48 <glx> in openttd.cfg 15:59:11 <Timwi> No, I mean the actual font :) 15:59:21 <glx> default "font" is sprites in original TTD files 15:59:23 <Timwi> Suppose I actually want to augment OpenTTD's own font with that one missing character 15:59:33 <Timwi> Oh, I see 15:59:41 <Timwi> Has anyone ever tried to make a lookalike font then? :) 15:59:47 <glx> and now we don't add any sprites as you can use fonts 16:00:25 <peter1138> i've got a look-a-like of the small font 16:00:27 <peter1138> in bdf format 16:00:45 <peter1138> no reason why it couldn't be done for the larger fonts too 16:01:37 *** MUcht [~Mucht@p57A0F3EB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:03:42 *** lolman [John@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:03:50 *** Peakki [antti@cs181000195.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: Lähdössä] 16:04:17 <Timwi> I get the message: 16:04:18 <Timwi> Unable to use 'Zwonk' for large font, FreeType reported error 0x1, using sprite font instead 16:04:25 <Timwi> Does that mean it doesn't support TTF? 16:04:26 <skidd13> KUDr: ping 16:05:02 <Rubidium> Timwi: what OS? 16:05:06 <Timwi> Win2k 16:05:21 *** Mucht_ [~Mucht@p57A0C90A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:05:22 <izhirahider> is it a known issue trains crossing one on top of the other one (one on a bridge, the other on the ground), the top one doing some flickering? 16:05:41 <Rubidium> izhirahider: yes 16:05:53 <Rubidium> Timwi: is that font registered with windows? 16:06:27 <Timwi> I fixed it :) The complete name of the font is "Zwonk Standard", not just "Zwonk"... which is weird, because I called it Zwonk :-))) 16:07:24 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A43614.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:08:04 <izhirahider> Rubidium, ok, thanks 16:08:22 <Timwi> Does it not support any anti-aliasing? 16:08:36 <Rubidium> with the 8bpp blitter it doesn't 16:08:55 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D398.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:08:56 *** Neonox [~Neonox@p54ABE5D6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:10:10 <Timwi> Hm, OK... can I tell it to use the font in boldface? 16:10:25 <Eddi|zuHause> "Zwonk Bold"? 16:10:35 <Timwi> There is no explicit Bold version of Zwonk... 16:11:10 <Eddi|zuHause> have you actually tried it? 16:11:17 *** lolman [~john@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 16:11:43 <Timwi> Have now 16:12:03 <Eddi|zuHause> and? 16:12:08 <Timwi> It works with "Verdana Fett" (where Fett is Bold in German), but not "Zwonk Fett" -- and indeed Verdana Fett is listed in C:\winnt\fonts, but Zwonk Fett is not 16:12:38 <Timwi> Which is because Verdana Fett is actually a separate font file, but Zwonk is bolded "artificially" by Windows 16:12:54 <Eddi|zuHause> hm, then i don't know any further 16:13:09 <Timwi> I guess I'll just have to make Zwonk Bold. :-)) 16:13:30 <Eddi|zuHause> what's a zwonk anyway? 16:13:39 <Timwi> It's my font 16:13:45 <Timwi> It looks as crazy as it sounds 16:13:48 <Belugas> it's a wonk with depth :D 16:13:53 <Timwi> Haha :-) 16:15:20 <Timwi> OK, it looks like Verdana works OK for the medium and large font, but the small_font would definitely need some anti-aliasing :/ 16:16:14 *** Neonox [~Neonox@p54ABE5D6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 16:16:22 <Eddi|zuHause> what kind of silly characters do you want to display anyway? 16:16:58 <Timwi> I introduced a friend of mine to OpenTTD and now he's considering translating it into his own conlang. 16:17:19 <peter1138> you need to separate bold with a comma 16:17:34 <Timwi> peter1138: aaah! Thanks, I'll try that 16:17:36 <peter1138> sometimes 16:17:43 <Timwi> So you mean I should put "Zwonk Standard, bold"? 16:18:04 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-111-185.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 16:18:48 <Timwi> Hm, nope, that doesn't work either 16:19:11 <Rubidium> then freetype doesn't know how to make it bold 16:19:17 <Timwi> But anyway -- to use Zwonk was just a crazy idea ... it works fine with Verdana. I'm only struggling with the small_font now, because it is too small for ANY font to be suitable :/ 16:19:46 <Rubidium> you could increase the font size slightly 16:19:58 <Timwi> Yeah I know 16:20:21 *** Sacro_ [Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 16:20:28 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:20:51 <Timwi> Hm, nope, doesn't look nice. I get the impression, to be honest, that FreeType is not very good... the rendering is rather poor 16:21:12 <Eddi|zuHause> or use the small font of peter1138's, and extend it with some special characters (or specify them in the character translation table to be replaced with standard characters) 16:21:24 <Rubidium> the problem is you can't do antialiasing in a 8 bit paletted environment 16:21:38 <Timwi> Yes, I understand, but it seems that FreeType can't do hinting either 16:21:56 <Timwi> The K (capital) looks like an X... 16:22:01 <Rubidium> Timwi: how would hinting work? 16:22:17 <KUDr_wrk> skidd13: KUDr will be around 19:00 CET 16:22:36 <Timwi> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Font_hinting (doesn't say very much unforutnately) 16:23:20 <Timwi> To be honest I'm tempted to just augment the raster font that comes with the game ... would that be difficult? 16:23:30 <Timwi> Would I need to recompile the game for that? 16:23:32 <Rubidium> as you can see in that image they use aliasing 16:23:57 <Timwi> Rubidium: The *entire* image uses aliasing. But only one of the two rows uses hinting 16:24:35 <Rubidium> I see it makes the font "fatter" 16:24:45 <Timwi> Here is a screenshot showing my first experiments with adding hinting to a font. http://timwi.dyndns.org:8989/upload/unhinted-hinted.png 16:24:58 <Timwi> Rubidium: It makes the font less fat actually, it's the bottom one that uses hinting 16:25:28 <Rubidium> stupid caption 16:25:31 <Timwi> What it does is it aligns the "lines" that each letter is made up of, onto pixel boundaries. That prevents this grey blurring 16:26:09 <Rubidium> but the characters are already pixel aligned when we draw them 16:26:15 *** DeGhosty [De_Ghost@CPE0050ba8caf2c-CM0011aec4b06a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:26:19 <Eddi|zuHause> so if freetype can do that it's all a matter of providing the correct parameter, isn't it? 16:26:27 <peter1138> that's why i made a bdf of the small font 16:27:09 <Timwi> Rubidium: It's a bit difficult to explain what hinting really means. :/ 16:27:31 <Timwi> Eddi: Well my theory is that FreeType can't do it, but I may be wrong 16:27:43 <Timwi> peter1138: Is bdf bitmap-based? 16:27:46 <Timwi> i.e. not vectors 16:27:56 <Rubidium> Timwi: there are some legal issues with the hinting code in freetype IIRC 16:28:09 <Eddi|zuHause> Timwi: the wikipedia article said freetype can do it 16:28:26 <Timwi> I know that there are some patents (with IBM or something), but I live in Europe and the patents do not apply here :-p 16:28:31 <peter1138> Timwi: yes 16:28:35 <Timwi> Eddi: I see 16:28:52 <Timwi> peter1138: OK, where can I get the font, and how can I edit it so that I can add new characters? :) 16:28:55 <Rubidium> so you've compiled libfreetype yourself? 16:29:01 <peter1138> http://fuzzle.org/o/small.bdf 16:29:06 <peter1138> i used xbdfedit 16:29:14 <Timwi> Whoa, a text format o.O 16:29:23 <Eddi|zuHause> that does not sound like a windows program :p 16:29:37 <peter1138> no, it's not 16:29:59 *** DeGhosty [De_Ghost@CPE0050ba8caf2c-CM0011aec4b06a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #openttd 16:30:19 <Timwi> It's OK, I'll try to find an editor myself 16:30:43 <Digitalfox_Desktop> I just build a bank using last nightly, and tried to use the production values change cheat, but it doesn't work on banks... :( 16:31:17 <Eddi|zuHause> reminds me of that wtf contest, where one guy sent in a program that took the shape definitions from a file in plain english... "a Zero is a Circle" etc. 16:31:25 <Digitalfox_Desktop> By design or bug? 16:33:06 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 16:33:07 <Eddi|zuHause> it's an undocumented feature, Digitalfox_Desktop... :) 16:33:47 <Timwi> peter1138: Thanks, the font seems to work 16:33:52 <Timwi> However, it has a slight problem :)) 16:34:04 <peter1138> slight? heh 16:34:12 <Timwi> The right margin on all the umlauts (ä ö ü) are one pixel too large 16:34:15 <Noldo> Eddi|zuHause: that was nice :) 16:34:51 <peter1138> btw, any bitmap font supported by freetype will work 16:34:52 *** skidd13 is now known as skidd13|dinner 16:34:58 <peter1138> i used bdf because i had a bdf editor, heh 16:34:59 <Tlustoch> How do I build rails with AI API?? 16:35:01 <Digitalfox_Desktop> Eddi|zuHause: "undocumented feature" what does that mean?? :) 16:35:13 <peter1138> it's a feature that is not documented 16:35:46 <Rubidium> Tlustoch: you don't as that part of the API isn't implemented (yet) 16:36:02 <Eddi|zuHause> it means there is a functional divergence between the technical and the natural description of the behaviour 16:37:03 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Tschüß] 16:38:13 <Tlustoch> *SHOCKED* 16:38:21 <Tlustoch> I hate cars :-) 16:38:28 <Tlustoch> When it will be implemented?? 16:39:01 <peter1138> when it's ready 16:39:20 <peter1138> hmm 16:39:26 <Eddi|zuHause> TrueBrain is scared of rails :) 16:39:33 <peter1138> 1337 list admin request(s) waiting 16:39:44 <Eddi|zuHause> hehe :) 16:40:20 <Rubidium> Tlustoch: when all the stuff is ready to make a proper road AI/aircraft AI 16:41:53 <Tlustoch> That's waste of time. You will need better pathfinder for trains, so if you will make just a good one for cars it will be useless. 16:43:09 <Rubidium> building a good rail network is way way more complicated and needs much much more API, so the decision has been made to first implement/test everything with road vehicles and then extend it to the other vehicles types 16:44:26 <Rubidium> at the moment it is even impossible to make a proper pathfinder as it has no knowledge of the map (heights, slopes etc) 16:44:31 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host238-162-dynamic.56-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 16:44:36 <Wolf01> hello 16:44:36 <Rubidium> nor can it build bridges/tunnels 16:45:05 <Tlustoch> I think that making reasonable pathfinder is easy :-) 16:45:16 <Tlustoch> Especially for cars 16:45:34 <Rubidium> it's about making a pathfinder for roads 16:45:34 <Eddi|zuHause> i think the best idea would be to implement hooks into YAPF 16:45:47 <Wolf01> we need a pathfinder for ships! 16:46:11 <Rubidium> Wolf01: there already are three 16:46:30 <Eddi|zuHause> no, we need to optimise the current ship pathfinder a little more 16:46:35 <KUDr_wrk> and fourth is in development 16:46:52 <Wolf01> or at least a system to give orders without buoys, which should be located automatically 16:46:58 *** JazzyJaffa [~ben@fwnat-pub-1.physics.ox.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:47:09 <KUDr_wrk> Wolf01 look at the forums 16:47:23 *** skidd13|dinner is now known as skidd13 16:47:30 <KUDr_wrk> JazzyJaffa is working on it 16:48:06 <KUDr_wrk> skidd13: bit later than 19:00... 16:48:14 *** Ailure [Gamefreak@194.47.44.201] has joined #openttd 16:48:18 <KUDr_wrk> still at work 16:48:27 <Eddi|zuHause> you have 12 minutes :p 16:48:35 <KUDr_wrk> not enough 16:49:22 <skidd13> maybe later ... want to cycle a bit, weather is nice outside 16:51:09 <skidd13> will PM you the stuff then. CYA 16:51:27 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A4A14.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 16:57:57 *** sartsj [~thasarge@i30194.upc-i.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 16:59:46 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r10605 /trunk/src/stdafx.h: -Fix [FS#1046]: also OpenBSD does not know wchar. Patch by Matthias. 17:06:46 *** Digitalfox_Notebook [~chatzilla@85.240.182.248] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/2007030919]] 17:07:42 <hylje> heh, someone is using one's OTTD folder for porn 17:10:21 <Tlustoch> I just made AI that builds random straight road in the middle of the map :-) 17:10:28 <Tlustoch> It's not that difficult. 17:10:47 <Tlustoch> I just have to get into it because I didn't write code for some time. 17:14:15 <Eddi|zuHause> hmmm... ice cream with blackberries, delicious :) 17:14:47 *** Sacro_ is now known as Sacro 17:15:07 <Eddi|zuHause> damn, hylje figured me out :p 17:15:54 *** scia [~scia@85.149.96.102] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 17:20:47 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 17:20:53 <hylje> mwahaha 17:21:27 <Tlustoch> What about stupid pathfinder? Does it do something? 17:22:13 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm sure there is documentation about what it does 17:23:18 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: so am I 17:23:20 <hylje> so we have a Stupid Pathfinder too? 17:23:27 *** lolman [~john@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 17:23:39 <Rubidium> hylje: NoAI API (for building roads) 17:24:28 <hylje> oh 17:27:25 *** Nickman is now known as Nickman^Away 17:54:23 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 17:55:12 *** orudge [~orudge@91.84.56.243] has joined #openttd 17:55:15 *** mode/#openttd [+o orudge] by ChanServ 18:00:12 *** Ben_1 is now known as _Ben_ 18:01:02 *** glx [~glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 18:01:03 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 18:01:41 *** Deathmaker [~Miranda@dslb-082-083-241-175.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:03:28 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:08:50 *** JazzyJaffa [~ben@85-211-128-49.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:11:59 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D398.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:12:07 <Timwi> peter1138 18:12:09 <Timwi> peter1138? :) 18:18:36 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D398.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Progman] 18:18:45 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D398.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:23:19 *** Rippsy [~Moose@87.127.122.215] has joined #openttd 18:25:36 <sartsj> if i control+c the dedicated server to kill it, does it write the config it WAS running back to the openttd.cfg? 18:26:11 <peter1138> no 18:26:18 <peter1138> i think 18:26:20 <peter1138> er 18:27:06 <sartsj> well if i edit the cfg file, and then kill it to start it again, it reverts back to the config it was running 18:27:09 <sartsj> at least it seems like that 18:27:46 <sartsj> i've had this problem before 18:28:26 <Rubidium> then it apparantly saves on CTRL-c 18:28:39 <sartsj> you dont know? :) 18:29:21 <Rubidium> no 18:29:35 *** NW|Aerandir [magic.powe@90-230-201-111-no37.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:30:32 <Rubidium> I don't know every and all of the lines of code of OTTD 18:30:40 <Rubidium> and I think nobody actually does 18:30:49 <peter1138> we could know, by looking it up, if it became important :) 18:31:29 *** Timwi is now known as Timwi-FlownAway 18:31:33 *** lolman [John@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 18:31:49 <Rubidium> but I suspect it behaves in the same way as the GUI of OTTD does, i.e. handling the CTRL-c gracefully 18:31:50 <Timwi-FlownAway> o.O 18:31:52 *** Timwi-FlownAway is now known as Timwi-Away 18:31:54 <Timwi-Away> :-p 18:33:17 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB6D83.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai] 18:36:25 *** DeGhosty [De_Ghost@CPE0050ba8caf2c-CM0011aec4b06a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:37:38 *** DeGhosty [De_Ghost@CPE0050ba8caf2c-CM0011aec4b06a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #openttd 18:38:45 *** Noldo [vheino@jumi.lut.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:40:18 *** Noldo [vheino@jumi.lut.fi] has joined #openttd 18:45:00 *** e1ko [~L@205.117.broadband9.iol.cz] has joined #openttd 18:47:46 *** Timwi-Away is now known as Timwi 19:05:11 *** XeryusTC2 is now known as XeryusTC 19:08:58 *** Rippsy [~Moose@87.127.122.215] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:09:47 *** Zr40 [~zr40@zr40.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 19:10:22 *** HMage [HMage@hmage.dialup.corbina.ru] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:14:29 <Ailure> Start date: 2050-01-01 19:14:29 *** Tlustoch [~last_evol@vetrnik.koleje.cuni.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:14:29 <Ailure> Current date: 1981-08-20 19:14:33 <Ailure> http://www.openttd.org/server_detail.php?id=4895 19:14:35 <Ailure> Back to the future? 19:14:37 <Ailure> D: 19:14:44 <Ailure> I saw this in the last game I hosted too 19:15:16 *** Tlustoch [~last_evol@vetrnik.koleje.cuni.cz] has joined #openttd 19:15:17 <peter1138> hehe 19:17:49 *** valhalla1w`dour [~valhallas@a62-251-30-68.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 19:18:02 *** valhallasw`dour [~valhallas@a62-251-30-68.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:19:45 *** Thunder [db54@89.163.148.100.static.rdns-uclo.net] has joined #openttd 19:20:24 *** sartsj [~thasarge@i30194.upc-i.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:21:42 *** sartsj [~thasarge@i30194.upc-i.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 19:22:00 <Thunder> uhm hi, i just found openttd and i wanted to host a dedicated server on my root. i looked up the wiki tutorial but the commandline with the -d didnt work out for me.. anyone may tell me if i missed something? 19:23:43 <Rubidium> -d is for debugging 19:23:50 <Rubidium> -D is for the dedicated server 19:24:01 <Thunder> awww 19:24:07 <Thunder> missed the case sens :D 19:24:09 <Thunder> thank you 19:24:31 *** JazzyJaffa [~ben@85-211-128-49.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:24:32 <Thunder> there it is :) 19:25:34 *** Thunder [db54@89.163.148.100.static.rdns-uclo.net] has quit [Quit: DreamBot IRC Bot v5.4. Get it at: http://dreambot.eurion.com] 19:29:43 *** sartsj [~thasarge@i30194.upc-i.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:32:37 *** KritiK [Maxim@ppp85-141-224-153.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #openttd 19:38:21 *** NukeBuster [~opera@195-241-212-152.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 19:41:01 *** Thomas[NL] [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 19:44:26 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A57AD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:44:41 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: Life is a game of pick-up-sticks, played by fucking lunatics.] 19:46:53 *** Darkebie [~dkb@d5153D5CD.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:53:11 <Timwi> OK, I have a problem with translating the game, any developers present who know how the {STRING}s are substituted? 19:54:29 <glx> they are replaced by another string 19:54:37 <Timwi> yes, in my case the wrong string 19:54:47 <Timwi> Shall I elaborate? 19:55:04 <Timwi> We have the following two strings: 19:55:04 <Timwi> STR_000F_PASSENGERS :Passengers 19:55:07 <Timwi> and 19:55:07 <Timwi> STR_002F_PASSENGER :Passenger 19:55:26 <Timwi> The string I'm trying to translate is STR_202E_OFFER_OF_SUBSIDY_EXPIRED 19:55:26 <Timwi> STR_202E_OFFER_OF_SUBSIDY_EXPIRED :{BLACK}{BIGFONT}Offer of subsidy expired:{}{}{STRING} from {STRING2} to {STRING2} will now not attract a subsidy. 19:55:51 <Timwi> The problem is that the first {STRING} is always replaced with STR_000F_PASSENGERS, but I need STR_002F_PASSENGER in this case. 19:56:30 <glx> why? 19:56:38 <Timwi> All the other subsidy-related strings use the right string 19:57:02 <peter1138> Passengers from Foo to Bar will now not attract a subsidy 19:57:08 <peter1138> Passenger from Foo to Bar will now not attract a subsidy 19:57:13 <peter1138> the latter makes no sense ;p 19:57:14 <Timwi> Yes, I need it to say "passenger service" 19:57:21 <Timwi> Like all the other ones 19:58:28 <Timwi> I noticed that in the others it is possible to substitute the "wrong" one by using {STRING2} instead of {STRING} or {STRING} instead of {STATION} etc. It's quite confusing, there seems to be no consistency 19:59:21 <peter1138> there is a method to its madness 19:59:30 <Timwi> Well if someone could explain it that would be nice :) 19:59:36 <Timwi> Or at least tell me how I can use "passenger" in this sentence 19:59:39 <peter1138> you can't 20:00:02 *** SpaceCom [~myrka@noorus.aklubi.ee] has joined #openttd 20:00:03 <Timwi> Why did the developers make it possible to use the wrong string in the others, but not in this one? 20:00:20 <Timwi> And what do I need to change in the source to make it possible :)) 20:01:56 <Timwi> I notice the following lines: 20:01:56 <Timwi> AddNewsItem(STR_202E_OFFER_OF_SUBSIDY_EXPIRED, NEWS_FLAGS(NM_NORMAL, NF_TILE, NT_SUBSIDIES, 0), pair.a, pair.b); 20:01:57 <Timwi> and 20:01:59 <Timwi> AddNewsItem(STR_202F_SUBSIDY_WITHDRAWN_SERVICE, NEWS_FLAGS(NM_NORMAL, NF_TILE, NT_SUBSIDIES, 0), pair.a, pair.b); 20:02:05 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A57AD.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 20:02:07 <Timwi> The parameters are all the same!!! 20:02:18 <Timwi> What tells it to use the other string? :/ 20:02:31 <peter1138> the SetDParams before that 20:04:30 <Timwi> You mean pair = SetupSubsidyDecodeParam(s, 1); 20:04:31 <Timwi> ? 20:04:38 <Timwi> It has the same parameters on both calls as well 20:04:44 <glx> yes 1 means use plural 20:04:50 <glx> 0 means use singular 20:04:58 *** raimar2 [~hawk@p5489CA98.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:05:45 <Timwi> Argh 20:05:51 <Timwi> But this has nothing to do with singular or plural... 20:05:56 <Timwi> Welll... it does... but ... 20:06:10 <peter1138> what language are you doing? 20:07:19 <Timwi> German 20:07:50 <Timwi> I want to understand this independently of the language though 20:08:06 <peter1138> heh, german is 100% complete, apparently 20:08:10 <Timwi> I want to understand why it uses the correct string in STR_202F_SUBSIDY_WITHDRAWN_SERVICE but not in STR_202E_OFFER_OF_SUBSIDY_EXPIRED despite the fact that they seem to use the same parameters in the code 20:08:44 <Timwi> peter1138, you're not being very helpful I'm afraid :/ ... the German translation is atrocious, it maybe 100% complete, but it's 50% good translation and 50% bad 20:08:57 <Timwi> This is one example 20:09:08 <Timwi> The subsidy news item is grammatically wrong 20:09:39 *** Desolator [Desolator@82.79.212.8] has joined #openttd 20:09:58 <Desolator> *sigs* 20:10:03 <Desolator> *digs* 20:10:09 <Timwi> Hi 20:10:13 <Timwi> digs for what? :) 20:10:14 <Desolator> yo 20:10:20 *** mode/#openttd [+b *!*Desolator@82.79.212.*] by peter1138 20:10:20 *** Desolator was kicked from #openttd by peter1138 [Try again, don't fucking "bump" or "dig"] 20:10:30 *** mode/#openttd [-b *!*Desolator@82.79.212.*] by peter1138 20:10:31 *** Desolator [Desolator@82.79.212.8] has joined #openttd 20:10:33 <Desolator> hey! 20:10:36 <Timwi> OK, I'm not sure what that was for 20:10:45 <peter1138> welcome :p 20:10:57 <Desolator> ~:( 20:11:05 <Desolator> >:( 20:11:08 <Timwi> peter1138: Can I e-mail my question to a developer who knows the answer? 20:11:43 <Desolator> no 20:11:48 <Desolator> email bites 20:11:56 <peter1138> clearly it's magic 20:12:52 <blathijs> Isn't this what ludde coded when he dropped by last year? 20:13:12 <Desolator> peter, I got a bug with the finace info 20:13:24 <Timwi> Gosh peter1138, you're trying really hard to piss me off eh? Sorry for trying to help with the development and improvement, you know 20:13:26 <Desolator> *finance 20:13:42 <peter1138> Timwi: well, i can stop looking in the code if you want 20:13:57 <peter1138> fiance info? 20:13:58 <Timwi> I didn't know you're looking at the code at the moment, sorry. 20:14:10 <Timwi> But I would welcome it if you could stop giving snide remarks :-). 20:14:21 <Desolator> erm, the palce where you see hoqw much money you're earning, spending, etc...i forgot how it's called 20:14:24 <Desolator> *place 20:15:14 <Desolator> finances window 20:16:20 <peter1138> hmm 20:16:24 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A43614.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 20:16:26 * peter1138 wonders what is actually shown 20:16:31 <Desolator> nothing 20:16:36 *** raimar2 [~hawk@p5489FB37.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:16:39 <peter1138> regarding subsidies :p 20:16:51 <peter1138> Desolator: that usually means the date has been changed somewhere 20:17:03 <Desolator> O.o? in the scenario editor 20:17:26 <Ailure> if you are before the company founding date 20:17:29 <Ailure> the finacnes windwo is messed up 20:17:39 <Ailure> check the founding date of the company 20:17:41 *** e1ko [~L@205.117.broadband9.iol.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:17:41 <Ailure> and current date 20:17:50 <Ailure> I had a similar thing happening to me when the game started in 1920 20:18:03 <Desolator> well AFAIK it didn't affect if you edited a scenario to put it in 1920 20:18:06 <Ailure> but due to messing around in the scenario editor before, it thought the first company started 1950 20:18:07 *** SpaceCom [~myrka@noorus.aklubi.ee] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:18:13 <peter1138> Services already subsidised: 20:18:22 <peter1138> Passenger from Mintingford to Nonningville 20:18:35 <peter1138> hmm, but that's not the news message 20:18:39 <Desolator> ZOMG it's 1955 O.o 20:18:47 <Ailure> heh 20:18:49 <Ailure> I guessed so 20:18:54 <Desolator> I guess it's a bug in the scenario editor 20:19:00 <Ailure> yeah 20:19:16 <Desolator> should change the funding date if you change the date 20:19:20 <Ailure> I was going to report it for a long time ago, but then forgot about it as I got busy with studies again 20:19:26 <Ailure> and it's something I only stumbled over once too 20:19:30 <Ailure> even if reprodcuable easily 20:20:06 <Desolator> make an empty scenario, save it, load it, change date back, paly it, kaboom 20:20:15 <Desolator> *play 20:20:19 <peter1138> Timwi: yup, there is some serious magic going on here 20:20:26 <peter1138> the subsidies messages are also screwed up 20:20:30 <Desolator> alright, I'm out 20:20:32 *** Desolator [Desolator@82.79.212.8] has quit [Quit: Leaving FTW!] 20:21:58 <peter1138> ah ha 20:23:18 <peter1138> awww cra 20:23:20 <peter1138> p 20:23:36 <peter1138> stupid big compiles :( 20:24:11 <ProfFrink> peter1138: Take the dyslexic robocop approach. 20:24:25 <ProfFrink> "Drop your weapon. You have ten seconds to compile." 20:24:36 <peter1138> if only it was 10 seconds 20:25:06 *** ProfFrink is now known as Prof_Frink 20:25:35 <Prof_Frink> Hmm, keepnick fail. 20:25:56 <Prof_Frink> anyway, after ten seconds, success or not, you shoot your computer 20:26:34 <peter1138> hah 20:26:36 <peter1138> good ol' abit 20:26:46 <peter1138> i think the capacitors will explode before too long 20:26:49 <Timwi> Found something? 20:27:03 <peter1138> well 20:27:09 <peter1138> waiting for this compile 20:27:14 <Timwi> I just tested my theory empirically and I discovered that I was wrong -- the "WITHDRAWN" message is also wrong :) 20:27:21 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50c79ad9.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 20:27:25 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 20:27:33 <Timwi> Which is doubly weird because that one has "service" in the English string. I guess I'll try the test in English 20:27:51 <SpComb> Logs: http://spbot.marttila.de:8120/logs/oftc-ottd (old: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd ) 20:27:51 <Bjarni> !logs 20:27:54 <peter1138> my suspicion is that plural/singular are mixed 20:28:10 <Timwi> Indeed it says "passengers service" :-)) 20:28:32 <peter1138> i'm assuming you're using a nightly/svn here 20:29:52 <Bjarni> we have an issue with singular/plural and translations.... like is aircraft singular or plural? 20:29:57 <peter1138> no 20:30:38 <Bjarni> well, are you sure all the translators are sure of this while translating some string where aircraft appears in? 20:31:06 <Bjarni> I don't think it's a huge issue. Luckily the translators tend to investigate whenever they end up in situations like this 20:32:52 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r10606 /trunk/src/ (cargotype.h newgrf.cpp): -Fix (r8826): plural and single cargo names were mixed up. 20:33:13 <peter1138> Bjarni: i would imagine a translator would know what plural form to use in their own language... 20:36:00 <Timwi> peter1138: I am afraid I am looking at RC2 myself... 20:37:03 <peter1138> ah well 20:39:21 <Timwi> peter1138: Do you know what type "StringID" is? Is it an integer? 20:39:49 <peter1138> yes 20:39:57 <peter1138> unsigned 16 bit integer, to get picky 20:40:16 <Timwi> OK. 20:40:21 <Timwi> I'm looking at DrawNewsString() now 20:40:27 <Timwi> Clearly ni->string_id is an integer then 20:40:41 <Timwi> So after str = ni->string_id;, str is just the string ID, it doesn't have any parameters in it 20:40:45 <Timwi> Then it calls: GetString(buffer, str, lastof(buffer)); 20:41:06 <Timwi> I'm completely mystified where the substitution happens :) 20:41:14 <peter1138> CopyInDParam 20:42:14 <Timwi> o.O 20:42:23 <Timwi> How is the result of that passed to GetString()? 20:42:47 <peter1138> *cough* globals *cough* 20:43:29 <Bjarni> <peter1138> Bjarni: i would imagine a translator would know what plural form to use in their own language... <-- that's not what I meant. It was more like reading if it is one or more in the English string when deciding if singular or plural should be used in the translated string 20:44:05 *** DeGhosty [De_Ghost@CPE0050ba8caf2c-CM0011aec4b06a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:44:38 <Timwi> The problem is not that I don't know what to use, the problem is that the GAME doesn't know what to use :))) It is using the wrong one and I can't fix that 20:44:54 <peter1138> possibly it's the wrong way around in 0.5.2 as well 20:44:59 <peter1138> er 20:45:01 <peter1138> 0.5.3-RC2 20:45:20 <peter1138> if it is then i can use that as my excuse for it being wrong in trunk ;) 20:45:35 *** DeGhosty [De_Ghost@CPE0050ba8caf2c-CM0011aec4b06a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #openttd 20:46:09 *** sartsj [~thasarge@i30194.upc-i.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 20:46:19 <Bjarni> Timwi: right. Good point 20:46:32 * Bjarni stops trying to multitask 20:46:51 <Bjarni> I should really read everything said in here before saying anything :s 20:47:24 <peter1138> god 20:47:31 <peter1138> DEPs were so slow :p 20:47:32 <sartsj> jesus 20:50:14 <Timwi> OK, peter1138, after investigating a lot of the source code I now believe that the fix requires changing 20:50:14 <Timwi> pair = SetupSubsidyDecodeParam(s, 1); 20:50:15 <Timwi> to 20:50:16 <Timwi> pair = SetupSubsidyDecodeParam(s, 0); 20:50:19 <sartsj> is there a way to clean a company from a server? 20:50:23 <sartsj> manually 20:50:25 <Timwi> in both line 1025 and line 1032 in economy.c 20:50:50 <Timwi> And then the English string STR_202E_OFFER_OF_SUBSIDY_EXPIRED needs to be changed to include the word "service" after "{STRING}" 20:54:27 <MUcht> we need to increase the max_players :-( 20:54:41 <Phazorx> yes we do 20:54:41 <MUcht> once again, like almost every evening the past month :-/ 20:55:04 <peter1138> why? you only use 1 player 20:55:34 <Phazorx> well we have mroe than 10 ppl each using one player... 20:55:44 <Phazorx> at least wanting to do so... 20:56:19 <glx> then it's not max_player but max_client :) 20:56:25 <MUcht> 2 people more want to join in :-/ 20:56:31 <MUcht> ah glx thx for the tip 20:56:35 <Phazorx> ughm... sorry max clients then 20:56:59 *** Rippsy [~Moose@malcolmi.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 21:02:30 *** Zr40 [~zr40@zr40.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Zr40] 21:04:36 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB6D83.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:11:32 *** Zr40 [~zr40@zr40.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 21:13:36 *** orudge [~orudge@91.84.56.243] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:15:13 *** Timwi [Timwi@cpc3-cmbg8-0-0-cust421.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:15:15 *** orudge [~orudge@91.84.56.243] has joined #openttd 21:15:16 *** mode/#openttd [+o orudge] by ChanServ 21:24:41 *** JazzyJaffa [~ben@85-211-128-49.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 21:27:08 *** Timwi_ [Timwi@cpc3-cmbg8-0-0-cust421.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 21:27:08 *** Timwi_ is now known as Timwi 21:27:10 <Timwi> Hi again 21:27:23 <Timwi> peter1138, did you get my last suggestions regarding the suggested source code change? 21:28:57 <Eddi|zuHause> Timwi: have you at all looked at the last commit? 21:29:33 <Timwi> Eddi|zuHause: I was out of this channel for a while as you may have noticed 21:29:57 <Eddi|zuHause> it was an hour ago :p 21:30:03 <Rubidium> Timwi: might be, but you were in the channel when it happened 21:30:15 <Timwi> OK then I'll check my channel logs 21:31:01 <Timwi> Crap, timestamps missing :/ 21:31:12 <Rubidium> search for CIA 21:31:32 <Timwi> <CIA-1> OpenTTD: miham * r10592 /trunk/src/lang/ (15 files): (log message trimmed) 21:31:34 <Timwi> Is it part of that? 21:31:34 <hylje> svn log 21:31:41 <Eddi|zuHause> !openttd commit 21:31:43 <_42_> Commit by peter1138 :: r10606 /trunk/src/ (cargotype.h newgrf.cpp) (2007-07-17 20:32:27 UTC) 21:31:45 <_42_> -Fix (r8826): plural and single cargo names were mixed up. 21:32:04 <Timwi> How can I get a diff of that change? 21:32:11 <Timwi> Without having svn installed :-p 21:32:30 <Eddi|zuHause> git.openttd.org maybe? 21:34:16 <Timwi> OK, I've seen it now. He has changed something very different from what I was referring to 21:34:29 <Timwi> Therefore I assume the answer is 'no', he either hasn't seen my suggestion or decided not to commit it 21:35:07 <Eddi|zuHause> it was long before your "suggestion" 21:35:19 <Timwi> Yes, and it doesn't address my problem 21:35:21 <Eddi|zuHause> and it just shows the issue was deeper than that 21:35:22 <Timwi> Hence my suggestion still stands 21:35:29 <Timwi> Are you sure? 21:35:30 <Rubidium> Timwi: how do you know it doesn't address your problem? 21:35:37 <Eddi|zuHause> have you tried it? 21:36:05 *** lolman_ [John@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 21:36:05 *** lolman [John@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:36:49 <Rubidium> as these little changes swap the singular and plural names (if you don't load them as newgrf, which you most likely aren't) 21:37:10 *** prakti [~prakti@port-213-148-152-8.static.qsc.de] has quit [Quit: Quitting .... Hackedi...hackedi...weg.] 21:38:38 <Timwi> I'll try the nightly tomorrow and see 21:39:03 <Eddi|zuHause> it's just 3 lines, you can change them in your working copy easily 21:40:32 <Eddi|zuHause> while only the line in cargotype.h will most likely suffice 21:40:51 <Eddi|zuHause> the other part might be newcargo related, and thus not be included in 0.5 21:40:56 <Timwi> I can change them in the source, but I can't recompile : 21:40:57 <Timwi> :) 21:41:05 <Timwi> At least not without downloading and installing Visual Studio first 21:41:19 <Eddi|zuHause> you can use buildottd 21:41:46 <peter1138> 0.5 doesn't have cargotype.h 21:42:06 <Eddi|zuHause> ok, but it has the struct, or not? 21:42:10 <peter1138> nope 21:42:21 <Eddi|zuHause> funny :) 21:42:36 <Timwi> Should I use 1.0-RC1 or 0.4.0 of BuildOTTD? 21:43:01 <Digitalfox_Desktop> RC1 21:43:03 <Timwi> k 21:43:04 <Eddi|zuHause> i have no idea 21:43:16 <Digitalfox_Desktop> It's the last version 21:43:33 <Rubidium> last != best 21:44:53 <Ailure> ...suggestion 21:45:02 <Ailure> do recession really need to be under economy changes? 21:45:17 <Eddi|zuHause> it is, if all transformation functions are monotonous 21:46:02 <Eddi|zuHause> Ailure: under what else? 21:47:04 <Eddi|zuHause> wasn't there supposed to be a differentiation between "unimportant" and "important" economical changes? 21:49:00 <Ailure> well I generally seen it more of a disaster than anything << 21:49:15 <Ailure> and economy changes is the most annoying news category on huge maps 21:50:35 <Timwi> Hm, I don't understand how BuildOTTD works :( 21:50:57 <Timwi> I click "Update and Compile", then it says "revision 10606 checked out", and then it doesn't do anything else 21:51:23 <Timwi> Ah, LOL, now it does something :) 21:51:30 <Timwi> OK, it needs a bit more indication that it is doing something 21:52:02 <Eddi|zuHause> there's probably a thread in the forum where you can post suggestions 21:52:08 *** Thomas[NL] [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:53:20 *** NW|Aerandir [magic.powe@90-230-201-111-no37.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 21:54:26 <Timwi> OK, I've tried it, the bug is still there 21:54:31 <Timwi> As I said, the revision wasn't addressing my problem 21:54:54 *** Tlustoch [~last_evol@vetrnik.koleje.cuni.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:57:19 <Timwi> OK, now how do I compile my modifications *without* updating to r10606? 21:58:20 *** lolman_ [John@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:00:55 <Eddi|zuHause> anyone ever figured out what this means? /home/johannes/spiele/OpenTTD/src/misc/blob.hpp:376: warning: assuming signed overflow does not occur when assuming that (X - c) >= X is always true 22:01:07 <peter1138> i means your compiler is buggy 22:01:49 *** sartsj [~thasarge@i30194.upc-i.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:01:54 <peter1138> *it 22:02:07 <Eddi|zuHause> has this actually been fixed somewhere? 22:02:34 <Timwi> Eddi|zuHause, how can I compile OpenTTD using BuildOTTD without updating from SVN, i.e. without reverting my changes to the source files? 22:02:48 *** lolman [~john@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 22:03:39 <Eddi|zuHause> i have no idea how buildottd works, but it probably installes mingw/gcc, so if you put the directory with the binaries in path, you can type "make" on the command line 22:04:01 <Timwi> I thought of that, but "make" is not included it seems 22:04:24 <Eddi|zuHause> gmake? 22:04:24 <Eddi|zuHause> gnumake? 22:04:28 <Timwi> OK, it *is* included, I didn't search for it properly :p 22:04:39 <Eddi|zuHause> something like that 22:04:46 <glx> make is part of msys 22:05:25 <Timwi> C:\BuildOTTD\msys\home\ottdsrc\trunk>make 22:05:26 <Timwi> MAKE Version 5.2 Copyright (c) 1987, 1998 Inprise Corp. 22:05:26 <Timwi> Error makefile 5: Command syntax error 22:05:29 <Timwi> Same for loads of other lines ... 22:05:48 <Eddi|zuHause> Timwi: ./configure first 22:06:41 *** NukeBuster [~opera@195-241-212-152.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has left #openttd [] 22:06:51 <Eddi|zuHause> Timwi: btw, the bug is fixed for me... 22:06:55 <Timwi> C:\BuildOTTD\msys\home\ottdsrc\trunk>sh ./configure 22:06:55 <Timwi> Error: Invalid option -E 22:06:55 <Timwi> configure: error: invalid option --endian=AUTO 22:06:55 <Timwi> Available options are: --endian=[AUTO|LE|BE] 22:07:09 <Timwi> Eddi|zuHause: How did you check that? 22:07:38 <Eddi|zuHause> let a game run until a subsidy shows up? 22:07:59 <Timwi> Well, the problem occurs when a subsidy _expires_ 22:08:34 <Eddi|zuHause> Timwi: tried "bash ./configure"? 22:08:46 <Timwi> Yes, no bash.exe 22:08:54 <Timwi> C:\BuildOTTD\msys\home\ottdsrc\trunk>dir C:\BuildOTTD\msys\bin\*sh* 22:08:56 <Timwi> lists only sh.exe 22:09:11 <Timwi> And so does dir C:\BuildOTTD\*sh*.exe /s 22:09:25 <Eddi|zuHause> probably wrong grep 22:09:25 <glx> sh.exe is bash 22:09:48 <Eddi|zuHause> place the directory in the beginning of PATH 22:10:03 <Eddi|zuHause> so you don't get accidently overriden by windows programs 22:10:20 <Timwi> OK 22:10:58 *** NukeBuster [~opera@195-241-212-152.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 22:11:24 <Timwi> OK, thanks, that worked 22:11:39 <Timwi> It's complaining that it can't find 'svn' or 'subversion', but it continues nonetheless so I hope it's OK 22:11:49 <glx> yes it's ok 22:11:59 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, that's just for the revision number 22:12:02 <glx> you'll get a norev0000 version 22:12:31 <Timwi> OK, thanks 22:12:34 <Eddi|zuHause> buildottd should include svn also, so you can put that in path, too 22:12:38 <Timwi> Yay, you're being really helpful now :))))) 22:12:47 *** NW|Aerandir [magic.powe@90-230-201-111-no37.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:13:55 <Eddi|zuHause> damn, this savegame is old... 22:14:04 *** NW|Aerandir [magic.powe@90-230-201-111-no37.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 22:14:14 <Eddi|zuHause> i think i created it with the elrails branch 22:14:21 <Eddi|zuHause> with tgp patch 22:14:33 <Timwi> OK, 'make' has finished... where is the EXE now? :) 22:14:48 <Eddi|zuHause> in bin/ 22:14:48 <Eddi|zuHause> if trunk 22:14:51 <Phazorx> bin/openttd.exe 22:15:03 <Eddi|zuHause> in . if 0.5 22:15:10 <Timwi> Would it be the one in C:\BuildOTTD\builds\trunk_r10606_17.07.2007_22-58-00 ? 22:15:37 <Phazorx> unlikely 22:15:45 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Quit: Solong, and thanks for all the fish.] 22:15:49 *** lolman [~john@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:15:50 <Phazorx> bottd moves bin there, but make doies not 22:15:50 <Eddi|zuHause> no, in the directory where you ran "make" 22:15:56 <Timwi> OK, is it the one in C:\BuildOTTD\msys\home\ottdsrc\trunk\bin ? or C:\BuildOTTD\msys\home\ottdsrc\trunk\objs\release ? 22:16:01 <Timwi> Ah, OK 22:16:05 <Timwi> That would be trunk\bin then 22:16:17 <Eddi|zuHause> yes 22:16:28 <Timwi> In fact those last two have the same date/time stamp, so they might be the same 22:16:47 <Phazorx> that would be strange 22:17:03 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, it gets compiled in objs/release/ (or objs/debug) 22:17:08 <Eddi|zuHause> and then copied to bin/ 22:17:28 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D398.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:17:38 <Phazorx> ahh... nm i was still thinking about bottd folder 22:17:39 <Eddi|zuHause> so it is easy to switch between release and debug builds with the same config and newgrfs 22:18:11 <Timwi> OK, thanks very much for your help, that was really great 22:18:18 <Timwi> My change fixes the issue I am reporting 22:18:55 *** NW|Aerandir [magic.powe@90-230-201-111-no37.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [] 22:19:14 *** elmex [~elmex@e180065110.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:19:41 *** Desolator [Desolator@82.79.212.8] has joined #openttd 22:19:49 <Timwi> Where do I post the patch? :) 22:19:50 <Eddi|zuHause> then why is it fixed for me without those changes? 22:20:04 <Desolator> hi 22:20:05 <Timwi> Eddi|zuHause: Because you were looking at the wrong news item 22:20:13 <Timwi> [23:08] <Eddi|zuHause> let a game run until a subsidy shows up? 22:20:13 <Timwi> [23:09] <Timwi> Well, the problem occurs when a subsidy _expires_ 22:20:43 <Desolator> is there any way to get the MD5 of the lastest nightly? (so I can compare it with the MD5 of the downloaded file to check for errors) 22:20:46 <Eddi|zuHause> the show up was also wrong previously 22:21:36 <Timwi> Eddi: Either way, my change fixes the message for expiring and withdrawn subsidies 22:21:46 <Timwi> (and only those) 22:21:47 *** NW|Aerandir [magic.powe@90-230-201-111-no37.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 22:21:54 <Eddi|zuHause> hm, ottd just segfaulted on me after reporting a wrong savegame 22:22:06 <Timwi> Where do I post the patch? 22:22:46 <Desolator> [01:20] <Desolator> is there any way to get the MD5 of the lastest nightly? (so I can compare it with the MD5 of the downloaded file to check for errors) 22:22:49 <Eddi|zuHause> bugs.openttd.org? 22:22:59 <Timwi> OK 22:24:26 <Eddi|zuHause> Desolator: shouldn't a defect download not decompress? 22:27:27 <Desolator> well if that happens, the user will be presented an unwanted error message (generated by the ZIP lib I use), thus I can't do something if it's corrupted 22:28:15 <Eddi|zuHause> can't you catch that error? 22:28:25 <Desolator> nope... 22:28:53 <Eddi|zuHause> what kind of bad programming language do you use? 22:28:58 <Timwi> Yay http://bugs.openttd.org/task/1049 22:28:59 <Desolator> LUA 22:29:07 <Eddi|zuHause> even batch can catch errors 22:29:20 *** Sacro [Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:29:31 <Eddi|zuHause> just use a unzip that can run in a non-interactive mode, then check the errorlevel 22:29:32 <Desolator> well, a custom-build of LUA (search for AutoPlay Media Studio) 22:29:36 *** Sacro [Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 22:29:50 <Eddi|zuHause> can't be that difficult 22:30:00 <Desolator> well unfortunately I can't change it 22:30:15 <Desolator> I gotta use what I got...a Zip.Extract action =( 22:30:18 <Eddi|zuHause> should be a command line parameter 22:30:46 *** NW|Aerandir [magic.powe@90-230-201-111-no37.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:30:58 <Timwi> Off to bed now 22:31:03 <Timwi> Good night 22:31:37 <Eddi|zuHause> -T test zipfile integrity 22:31:40 *** Timwi [Timwi@cpc3-cmbg8-0-0-cust421.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has quit [] 22:31:52 <Desolator> hmmm...*checks* 22:32:12 *** lolman [~john@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 22:32:12 <Eddi|zuHause> i'd guess Zip.Test or something 22:33:19 <Desolator> nope 22:33:21 *** Osai is now known as Osai^zZz 22:33:36 <Desolator> but I got a file in the gallery with some more functions...*checks* 22:33:57 <Desolator> =( no 22:36:59 <Desolator> well g2g cya 22:37:01 *** Desolator [Desolator@82.79.212.8] has quit [Quit: Leaving FTW!] 22:40:56 *** orudge [~orudge@91.84.56.243] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:41:40 *** orudge [~orudge@91.84.56.243] has joined #openttd 22:41:41 *** mode/#openttd [+o orudge] by ChanServ 22:44:58 <Wolf01> 'night 22:45:03 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host238-162-dynamic.56-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 22:53:00 *** DeGhosty [De_Ghost@CPE0050ba8caf2c-CM0011aec4b06a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:53:06 *** DeGhosty [De_Ghost@CPE0050ba8caf2c-CM0011aec4b06a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #openttd 23:00:57 *** Nickman^Away [~nn@d54C1C327.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )] 23:03:26 *** Rippsy [~Moose@malcolmi.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:05:02 *** KritiK [Maxim@ppp85-141-224-153.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:08:11 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50c79ad9.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:12:19 <orudge> SpComb around? 23:12:35 *** Osai^zZz [~Osai@pD9EB6D83.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai^zZz] 23:14:47 *** Marshy [Marshy@91.105.12.181] has joined #openttd 23:15:00 *** Marshy [Marshy@91.105.12.181] has quit [] 23:17:54 *** NukeBuster [~opera@195-241-212-152.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has left #openttd [] 23:21:00 *** Born_Acorn [~bornacorn@81.171.98.106] has quit [Quit: Caught signal 15, Terminated] 23:21:08 *** Born_Acorn [~bornacorn@81.171.98.106] has joined #openttd 23:21:32 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has left #openttd [] 23:24:03 *** Born_Acorn [~bornacorn@81.171.98.106] has quit [] 23:24:10 *** Born_Acorn [~bornacorn@81.171.98.106] has joined #openttd 23:24:20 *** Zr40 [~zr40@zr40.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 23:26:35 *** ProfFrink [~proffrink@5acf1b8e.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 23:33:51 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5acf1b8e.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:36:42 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5acf1b8e.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 23:40:16 *** ProfFrink [~proffrink@5acf1b8e.bb.sky.com] has quit [Quit: Sploing] 23:50:51 *** Tobin [~tobin@c58-107-50-36.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 23:57:56 *** JazzyJaffa [~ben@85-211-128-49.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]