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00:06:26 *** McTw1st^LFS [dupont@c-9e23e353.1044-1-64736c12.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 00:06:31 *** McTw1st^LFS is now known as McTw1st 00:06:35 <McTw1st> hello 00:07:16 <McTw1st> would anyone care to help me out with how to install OpenTTD? 00:07:36 <McTw1st> iv run the installer for windows but when i try to start the game its not starting at all 00:07:43 <McTw1st> gives me an error 00:09:09 <McTw1st> something about my sample.cat file is corrupted or missing 00:12:04 <McTw1st> installed and reinstalled same thing again 00:13:10 <glx> you need to get some files from your ttd cd 00:17:38 <McTw1st> ok 00:21:57 <Thardas> well.. you can *caughs* google ttd *lol* 00:22:29 <McTw1st> {L}âUghîñ Ôut £òU{Ð} 00:22:37 <McTw1st> well i get a new error now :S 00:22:45 <Thardas> what is it? 00:22:56 <McTw1st> cant open com port 00:23:05 <Thardas> com port? Oô 00:23:15 <Thardas> why should it open a com port? *lol* 00:28:43 *** McTw1st^A [dupont@c-9e23e353.1044-1-64736c12.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 00:28:48 <McTw1st^A> well oops 00:28:57 <McTw1st^A> that crashed my pc :P 00:31:00 *** McTw1st [dupont@c-9e23e353.1044-1-64736c12.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:31:05 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-155-84.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 00:31:08 *** McTw1st^A is now known as McTw1st 00:32:59 <McTw1st> can anyone help me out here send me a pm plz 00:33:55 *** MUcht [~Mucht@p57A0E972.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:37:41 *** Mucht_ [~Mucht@p57A0E9B3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:41:46 <Nickman^Away> hi all 00:41:51 <McTw1st> hi 00:41:52 *** Nickman^Away is now known as Nickman 00:42:02 <Nickman> how do I compile a debug version of openTTD on Linux? 00:42:34 <glx> trunk? 00:42:49 <Nickman> the NoAI branch 00:42:55 <glx> same :) 00:42:59 <Nickman> I searched all over the wiki, but can't find it 00:43:03 <glx> ./configure --enable-debug 00:43:03 <Nickman> yeah, I know :) 00:43:06 <Nickman> aha 00:43:08 <Nickman> thx! 00:43:23 <glx> ./configure --help should have tell it :) 00:45:25 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Tschüß] 01:02:27 *** balli [~balli@dsl-149-96-155.hive.is] has joined #openttd 01:03:17 <balli> evening 01:03:29 <McTw1st> ello 01:03:53 <balli> some mac people around? 01:04:31 <balli> i just got a mac and i'm having trouble setting up openttd from the dmg file =S 01:04:39 <McTw1st> nope ;) 01:04:44 <Sacro> balli: what's the problem? 01:04:47 <balli> i double click on it and nothing happens 01:05:06 <balli> the icon zooms in and fades out, but then nothing happens 01:06:27 <Sacro> balli: have you installed the files from the original game? 01:07:06 <balli> hmm, well 01:07:13 <balli> i have them on my desktop 01:07:23 <balli> where should i put them? 01:09:34 <Sacro> errr... 01:09:36 * Sacro ponders 01:09:58 <Sacro> is it not in the readme? 01:10:48 <Sacro> balli: yes... read the README 01:10:51 <McTw1st> did u take the mac binarys and not linux or windos? 01:13:28 <glx> McTw1st: dmg is mac 01:14:58 <Sacro> McTw1st: he hasn't read the readme 01:15:04 <Sacro> and when he does... he'll figure it 01:16:17 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-155-84.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: ThePizzaKing] 01:17:22 <balli> what readme? 01:17:27 <balli> the one included in the dmg? 01:17:29 <balli> I 01:17:49 <balli> I have managed to open the dmg, how do I install? 01:18:25 <balli> found it, thanks for your help 01:20:31 *** balli [~balli@dsl-149-96-155.hive.is] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:21:24 <Sacro> pfft... 01:21:25 <Phazorx> is this http://img.cx/e/3976829829/PICCYSNAP.COM_684_c.png ottd or infra bug ? 01:21:38 <Sacro> Phazorx: not sure 01:21:41 <Sacro> post it on the bugtracker 01:21:55 <Phazorx> i dont even know how to name it :)_ 01:22:48 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-155-84.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 01:23:10 <McTw1st> :( game crashed *cries a river and goes to bed* 01:23:15 <McTw1st> nite nite everyone 01:24:05 *** McTw1st is now known as McTw1st^zZz 01:30:21 *** Mucht_ [~Mucht@p57A0F04B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:30:37 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B7640A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:34:06 *** MUcht [~Mucht@p57A0E972.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:37:59 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75D7F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:40:32 *** Nickman is now known as Nickman^Away 01:45:45 *** MUcht [~Mucht@p57A0E05B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:49:31 *** Mucht_ [~Mucht@p57A0F04B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:55:20 *** Rippsy [~Moose@87.127.122.215] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:31:09 *** Mucht_ [~Mucht@p57A0D2D4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 02:37:01 *** MUcht [~Mucht@p57A0E05B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:39:58 *** glx [~glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 02:42:00 *** HMage [Queneex@hmage.dialup.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 02:51:33 <NukeBuster> anyone out here? 02:57:35 <NukeBuster> i guess... everyone is asleep.... well anyway please look at http://bugs.openttd.org/task/730 03:22:32 *** NukeBuster [~opera@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:23:07 *** NukeBuster [~opera@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 03:29:51 *** KUDr [KUDr@mazanec1.netbox.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:37:46 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F1C3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:50:07 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1EF9C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 04:00:50 *** Ammller [~Ammler@adsl-84-226-54-28.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 04:05:20 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-21-199.adslplus.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:27:29 *** NukeBuster [~opera@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:28:51 *** raimar2 [~hawk@p5489F21B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 04:35:36 *** raimar3 [~hawk@p5489F7AD.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:06:43 *** Desolator [Desolator@82.79.212.199] has joined #openttd 05:07:06 *** Desolator [Desolator@82.79.212.199] has quit [] 05:24:06 *** Ammller [~Ammler@adsl-84-226-54-28.adslplus.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:24:07 *** Zavior [~asdsad@d195-237-7-209.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 06:42:53 *** rav [~rav_nl@213-84-75-15.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 06:42:54 *** KUDr [KUDr@mazanec1.netbox.cz] has joined #openttd 07:02:53 *** iPandaMojo [~panda@c-67-183-216-154.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 07:05:08 *** Tobin [~tobin@c58-107-50-36.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 07:18:26 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB551B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:19:25 *** iPandaMojo [~panda@c-67-183-216-154.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: iPandaMojo] 07:23:48 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A43614.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 07:33:00 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host238-162-dynamic.56-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 07:33:04 <Wolf01> hello 07:36:38 *** Desolator [Desolator@82.79.212.199] has joined #openttd 07:36:43 <Desolator> hi 07:37:09 <Desolator> I need some advice 07:39:00 <Phazorx> dont eat yellow snow 07:39:12 <Desolator> lol 07:39:55 <Desolator> I want to make a back-up of the old revision, provided that my updater is in the folder in Open's folder 07:40:35 *** Tlustoch [~last_evol@vetrnik.koleje.cuni.cz] has joined #openttd 07:40:53 <Desolator> how should I do it? copy everything except the updater's folder to the temp folder and zip those up, or make a rather complex function to ecumerate each file & folder, add them except the updater's 07:41:23 <Desolator> *ecumerate 07:41:30 <Desolator> damn *enumerate 07:42:05 <Wolf01> i'm wondering if richk67 after newgrfairports and newports will want to work at eyecandy objects, i think the step is little to be able to place usefull things with my and Frostregen patch instead of eyecandy only, like houses and why not, monuments which accept tourists when newindustries is finished :) 07:43:47 <Desolator> wolf, got a minute? 07:44:06 <Wolf01> yes 07:44:14 <Desolator> look above 07:45:26 <Wolf01> uhm, i'm not sure of what you need 07:46:55 <Desolator> I want to back-up the whole openttd build, with all it's folders and files, which is one level up of my updater (basically the updater sits in a folder in open's folder) 07:47:11 <Wolf01> i had the same problem with one of my friends which wanted to uninstall his own software without deleting the user conf files and custom directories created with the time 07:47:52 <Desolator> so of course I want to skip the updater's folder. I have two choices: copy everything to the temp folder, delete the updater folder and zip what's left, or make a complex function that will skip it and save space and time 07:48:14 <Wolf01> can you use relative paths? 07:48:28 <Wolf01> i mean "..\openttd" 07:48:37 <Desolator> yes, to some extent, but I can simulate them anyway 07:48:41 <Wolf01> or ../openttd to make linux user happy 07:49:11 <Desolator> I tried like that and the compiler didn't convert them to abosule paths lol ('tis for windows) 07:49:18 <Wolf01> the problem is that you don't know how the ottd folder is called? 07:49:28 <Desolator> I know the absolute path to it 07:49:40 <Desolator> so yeah, I know how it's called 07:50:46 <Wolf01> you can't just skip the folder named "updater" when copying? 07:51:27 <Desolator> the problem is which way should I go? enumerate all fodlers and files in the open's fodler, ad them all to the list except the updater folder, or simply copy the whole thing to temp, delete the updater and zip the rest up 07:51:36 <Desolator> *add them all 07:51:53 <Noldo> is this just a onetime thing? 07:52:23 <Desolator> it'll be activated with the "-b" command-line swtich 07:52:52 <Noldo> of which command? 07:52:52 <Desolator> and done before the downloaded zip file containing the lastest revision is extracted 07:53:08 <Desolator> Noldo: what do you mean? 07:53:24 <Noldo> the updater? 07:54:33 <Desolator> I still don't understand, but the command is command-line, eg: C:\My Very Long and Spacy Folder Name\OpenTTD Nightly\Updater zomg updater\OpenTTD Updater.exe -b 07:55:20 <Noldo> why is the updater inside the openttd folder in the firstplace? 07:55:37 <Desolator> because the user might want so... 07:55:57 <Desolator> nothing prevents him from not installing there 07:57:45 <Desolator> gtg cya in 30 mins 07:57:47 *** Desolator [Desolator@82.79.212.199] has quit [Quit: Leaving FTW!] 07:58:10 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387C4C7.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 08:01:13 <Wolf01> i think he can use a command line zip tool and ADD the files to an archive after a directory listing and skipping the folder named updater... at least, i'll have done so... or i'll have done by moving the updater folder outside the ottd folder 08:10:43 *** KUDr_afk [KUDr@mazanec1.netbox.cz] has joined #openttd 08:12:01 *** KUDr is now known as Guest888 08:12:01 *** KUDr_afk is now known as KUDr 08:12:36 *** Guest888 [KUDr@mazanec1.netbox.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:18:58 *** Smoovious [~smoovious@c-71-205-140-67.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Always code as if the guy who ends up maintaining your code is a psychopath who knows where you live.] 08:21:26 *** KUDr [KUDr@mazanec1.netbox.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:23:34 *** KUDr [KUDr@mazanec1.netbox.cz] has joined #openttd 08:26:21 *** Smoovious [~imp486@c-71-205-140-67.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 08:33:29 *** tokai|ni [~tokai@p54B81D77.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:33:45 *** 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12:55:02 *** mode/#openttd [+o DorpsGek] by ChanServ 12:56:39 *** McTw1st^zZz is now known as McTw1st 12:57:00 <McTw1st> Good morning OTTD ;D 13:01:29 *** Thomas[NL] [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 13:02:01 *** Mucht_ [~Mucht@p57A0D2D4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:04:45 *** NW|Aerandir [magic.powe@90-230-201-111-no37.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Quit: - nbs-irc 2.36 - www.nbs-irc.net -] 13:05:13 <Gekko[PDA]> Sacro: I'm good. 13:38:47 *** Zr40 [~zr40@zr40.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 13:39:14 *** glx [~glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 13:39:16 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:39:27 *** Me [~chatzilla@vau75-6-82-230-164-90.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 13:39:40 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 13:45:41 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: KUDr * r10646 /trunk/src/ (misc/autoptr.hpp station_cmd.cpp): 13:45:41 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Cleanup: AutoPtrT<>::Release() renamed to Detach() 13:45:41 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -better describes what it does 13:45:41 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -was inconsistent with CCountedPtr<>::Release() 13:52:14 *** Me [~chatzilla@vau75-6-82-230-164-90.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.5/2007071317]] 13:55:12 *** prakti [~prakti@port-213-148-152-8.static.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 13:59:22 *** NukeBuster [~opera@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 14:01:25 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: KUDr * r10647 /trunk/src/misc/autoptr.hpp: -Fix: AutoPtrT::operator =() didn't delete old object 14:07:08 *** Desolator [Desolator@86.126.88.9] has joined #openttd 14:07:33 <Desolator> yo 14:07:34 *** Desolator is now known as Guest896 14:07:40 <Guest896> O.o 14:07:52 <Guest896> hmm 14:08:20 *** Guest896 is now known as Desolator 14:09:43 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-100-238.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 14:10:03 <Rippsy> deso, you used scripts? 14:10:13 <Desolator> what scripts? 14:10:53 <Desolator> what for? 14:10:56 <Rippsy> /scripts/on_server_connect im using at mo, im just wondering what other things i can use to trigger a script, im busy (slowlY) trawling src code for them 14:11:29 <Rippsy> Thats the only one I can find in the network server 14:11:30 <Desolator> no idea on them 14:11:33 <Rippsy> fair enuff 14:11:49 <Rippsy> im wondering which variables i can use in it :) 14:12:16 <Desolator> ask a dev 14:12:19 <Rippsy> I will :) 14:13:46 *** rav [~rav_nl@213-84-75-15.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 14:15:35 <Desolator> when I'll get my new PC I'll start an OpenTTD Nightly server 14:15:48 <Rippsy> why not just use mine :P 14:15:48 <Desolator> and I'll ask for your script if it's finished by then (about 2-3 weeks) 14:15:51 <Rippsy> :) 14:16:03 <Rippsy> At mo its just global on join spam 14:16:09 <Desolator> lol 14:16:16 <Gekko[PDA]> Desolator: too much Red Alert 2 for you :P 14:16:23 <Desolator> when I get home in 2 days I'll try to help you 14:16:37 <McTw1st> Desolator buy mine ;) 14:16:38 <McTw1st> {L}âUghîñ Ôut £òU{Ð} 14:16:45 <Rippsy> I want to make it save the game when a client joins a current company, or makes a new one (with a UID so its identifiable) and instead of spamming the whole server on join, just wisper that client 14:16:46 <Desolator> Gekko[PDA]: neah, haven't played RA2 nor Y's R for about 2 months 14:16:54 *** BobingAbout [~BobingAbo@adsl-213-249-225-139.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 14:16:55 <Desolator> I completed both of them and i'm bored 14:17:05 *** BobingAbout [~BobingAbo@adsl-213-249-225-139.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [] 14:17:10 <Gekko[PDA]> I was playing Mooman's mod today 14:17:19 <Gekko[PDA]> stealth crap 14:17:23 <Gekko[PDA]> and gates 14:17:32 <McTw1st> anyone know any good MMORPG games out there? 14:17:39 <McTw1st> thats free to play 14:17:40 <Rippsy> Genre? 14:17:40 <Gekko[PDA]> UO. 14:17:41 <Desolator> Mu 14:17:42 <Rippsy> urm.. 14:17:44 <McTw1st> UO <3 14:17:50 <Gekko[PDA]> :) 14:17:51 <Desolator> mu online >.> 14:17:58 <Desolator> but has crappy graphics 14:18:01 <McTw1st> muo isnt rly my game 14:18:33 <Desolator> of course it isn't, you didn't make it nor bought it :P 14:18:38 <McTw1st> were u guys from? 14:18:42 <McTw1st> {L}âUghîñ Ôut £òU{Ð} 14:18:47 <McTw1st> correct 14:18:47 <McTw1st> :P 14:18:49 <Gekko[PDA]> Australia 14:18:58 <Desolator> i'd tell you if you get that damn lol outta here 14:19:07 * McTw1st is Swedish ^_^ 14:19:16 <McTw1st> i know :P its the damn script 14:19:19 <McTw1st> sorry bout that 14:19:28 <McTw1st> its on ha ha aswell 14:19:28 <Desolator> kill the script 14:19:41 <McTw1st> or il just tyoe LoL 14:19:42 <McTw1st> :P 14:19:58 * Desolator is fro Romania 14:20:01 <Desolator> *from 14:20:14 <Gekko[PDA]> damn Swedes. 14:20:19 <McTw1st> ha ha 14:20:25 <McTw1st> xD 14:20:41 <McTw1st> just becous u want a hot swedish blonde ;) 14:20:55 <Gekko[PDA]> no 14:21:03 <McTw1st> :O 14:21:05 <McTw1st> :) 14:21:11 <Gekko[PDA]> i want a smart german brunette. 14:21:23 <McTw1st> ha ha fair enough ;) 14:26:16 *** Maedhros_ [~jc@i-195-137-43-74.freedom2surf.net] has joined #openttd 14:26:37 <McTw1st> im thinking of installig linux on my hdd is there anyway to keep my other drivers intact and with everything on it and still beeing able to access it from linux? 14:27:48 <Desolator> as long as you got a partition to waste, yes 14:28:05 <Prof_Frink> McTw1st: Yes, most modern distros will allow you to shrink other partitions and boot from either 14:28:26 <McTw1st> i got 4hdd's and im just gonna "toast" the windows partition 14:31:07 <McTw1st> maybe i shuld install *cough* os x *cough* allthou that would be illegal :P 14:32:51 *** nightstalker [~Alex@p5494F245.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:32:59 *** Maedhros [~jc@i-195-137-43-74.freedom2surf.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:33:14 *** Sacro_ [~ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 14:33:30 * nightstalker slaps Progman around a bit with a large trout 14:33:50 *** Sacro_ [~ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [] 14:36:02 <Desolator> Ubuntu 14:36:19 <Desolator> ask for a cd and wait 14:36:23 <Desolator> or burn it yourself 14:36:42 <McTw1st> im thinking of openSUSE 14:36:47 <Desolator> ... 14:36:55 <McTw1st> what? :P 14:37:17 <Desolator> I don't have good experiences with suse 14:37:34 <Desolator> especially when it fried my old hdd 14:38:33 <McTw1st> then my question comes how old :P 14:39:06 <Desolator> 4 years 14:39:25 <McTw1st> becous im running 2x250gb westerndigital chaviar drives 2years old and still fighting :) 14:39:50 <Desolator> mine was a seagate 14:39:52 <McTw1st> des are you sure the hdd just didnt die on u ? 14:40:12 <Desolator> never had problems on running win xp 14:40:29 <McTw1st> ok =) thos i have bad experience with western i got realy good exp with :) 14:40:38 <McTw1st> no u dont notice any problems untill they die 14:40:50 <Desolator> i installed suse and went on to surf the web, but the hd light was on solid and the hdd was making the usual read/write noise 14:40:59 *** Maedhros_ is now known as Maedhros 14:41:01 <McTw1st> topping out my dl speed :) 14:41:15 <Desolator> so I guess suse was doing something really hdd-intesive which fired the poor grandpa 14:41:28 <McTw1st> probobly =) 14:41:33 <Desolator> it simply froze the system 14:41:37 <McTw1st> im just not satisfied with xp lately 14:41:51 <McTw1st> wanna try something new 14:42:05 <McTw1st> perhaps i shuld just dual boot 14:42:17 <McTw1st> put linux on one of my 20gb partitions :) 14:42:23 * Prof_Frink still technically dual boots 14:42:25 <Desolator> lost 4 months recoding everything I had there (since on my web site I only had the stable version on my program, instead of the ready-to-hit-beta version 14:42:43 <Prof_Frink> I just haven't used windows since... 14:42:46 <Desolator> mc: that's what I did 14:42:58 <McTw1st> des thats why u shuld have 1 hdd to have windows on and 1 to store everything on 14:43:07 <Desolator> ... 14:43:17 <McTw1st> so u got a backup drive 14:43:35 <Prof_Frink> Well, I'm fairly sure it'd try to apply daylight savings time if I tried to use it. 14:43:47 <Desolator> well I had one hdd partition, but the partition didn't helped much, except that all I could recover was the boot.ini file 14:44:05 <McTw1st> i still have 2x250gb westerns and 1 40gb hdd for windows (older than the street outside) 14:44:15 <Desolator> lol 14:44:36 <McTw1st> dont even know the name of it 14:44:44 <McTw1st> god i miss my old 4gb bigfoot :P 14:44:54 <McTw1st> impossoble to kill that drive :P 14:45:38 <Desolator> this pc i'm on has a hdd older than me 14:45:49 <McTw1st> {H}A{H}A{H}A :D 14:45:57 <McTw1st> oh sorry i gotta kill this script 14:46:04 <Desolator> it wasm ade in '92. i was born in '93 14:46:15 <Desolator> *was made 14:46:17 * McTw1st is born 86 14:46:40 <Desolator> 21? 14:46:40 <McTw1st> god i feel old when you say that 14:46:41 <McTw1st> ye 14:46:56 <Prof_Frink> 86? Young'un! 14:47:19 <McTw1st> {H}E{H}E{H}E :p 14:47:26 <Desolator> >.< 14:47:28 <McTw1st> gah stupido script 14:47:40 <McTw1st> its for he he and ha ha,,,, how stupid is that 14:47:51 <Desolator> also check for rolf & lmao ;) 14:47:57 <McTw1st> lets not forget l o l 14:47:58 <McTw1st> {L}aughing {M}y {A}ss {O}ff 14:48:00 <McTw1st> ... 14:48:02 <McTw1st> {R}olling {O}n {T}he {F}loor {L}aughing 14:48:04 <McTw1st> god.. 14:48:08 <Desolator> lol 14:48:12 <McTw1st> {L}âUghîñ Ôut £òU{Ð} 14:48:15 <McTw1st> {L}âUghîñ Ôut £òU{Ð} 14:48:18 <McTw1st> L O L 14:48:20 <McTw1st> there 14:48:34 <Desolator> l0l 14:48:38 <McTw1st> outsmarted you u dirty little bitch script 14:49:34 <Prof_Frink> You could always just unload the script 14:49:44 <McTw1st> easyer said than done man 14:49:51 <Progman> !revision 14:50:01 <Progman> eeuh, wrong window... 14:50:07 <Prof_Frink> /script unload scriptname.pl 14:50:32 <McTw1st> thats the problem... i dont know the script name l o l 14:50:54 <Sacro> lol 14:50:59 <peter1138> remove them all 14:51:00 <McTw1st> il just jump in the script editor and delete everything 14:51:17 <McTw1st> probobly will kill irc but oh well 14:51:33 <peter1138> bonus 14:51:39 <McTw1st> {R}olling {O}n {T}he {F}loor {L}aughing 14:51:42 <McTw1st> -.- 14:51:50 <Desolator> >.< 14:52:01 <McTw1st> ok 14:52:03 <McTw1st> lets see 14:52:03 <McTw1st> {L}âUghîñ Ôut £òU{Ð} 14:52:06 <McTw1st> :| 14:52:11 <Desolator> lmao 14:52:24 <Prof_Frink> Your client is le broken. 14:52:36 <McTw1st> no shit shirlock 14:52:52 <McTw1st> ^^ 14:53:14 <McTw1st> fun.. 14:53:22 <McTw1st> [16:53] -> [Desolator] VERSION I am using my dick 14:53:44 <Desolator> lol 14:53:52 <Desolator> ur client is really broken 14:54:00 <Desolator> just wanted to say that 14:54:19 <McTw1st> ^_^ 14:55:02 <Desolator> I lick on "info" in the user info window, I see mirc v 6.06 or something for half a sec the old very nice language phrase 14:55:17 * McTw1st has activate the Cool 8-Ball!! Type !8ball <YourQuestion> to find out the answer!! ( Only yes/no form questions!) -=[ ]=- 14:55:21 <Desolator> *click 14:55:27 <McTw1st> he he ok 14:55:42 <McTw1st> !8ball are we allowd to do this? 14:55:47 <McTw1st> aw :( dun work for me 14:55:51 <Desolator> !8ball crap 14:55:51 <McTw1st> So... Desolator wants to know the answer to their question. Well here it is: 14:56:04 <Desolator> their? i'm two persons?! 14:56:16 <McTw1st> {L}âUghîñ Ôut £òU{Ð} 14:56:22 <McTw1st> yes and no questions 14:56:22 <Desolator> >.< 14:56:23 <Prof_Frink> -!- McTw1st was kicked from #openttd [No.] 14:56:31 <peter1138> :o 14:56:35 <peter1138> please stop that 14:56:36 * McTw1st has deactivate the Cool 8-Ball!! Some other time dudes!! -=[ ]=- 14:56:41 <McTw1st> i did :) 14:57:42 * McTw1st stands in a corner in shame while openSUSE will be downloaded in 1.4mb/s ^_^ 14:57:48 <Rippsy> peter1138 can you put variables in the scripts file, i've been trying but can't figure out which or how 15:03:08 *** pPACO_BAN [PACO@CPE0011d8690c25-CM001225db7ae8.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #openttd 15:03:14 *** Phazorx [PACO@CPE0011d8690c25-CM001225db7ae8.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:03:35 *** WME`Ston3 [~stone@p5B15590B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:07:14 *** WME`Stone [stone@p5B156A4E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:12:20 *** Desolator [Desolator@86.126.88.9] has quit [] 15:14:35 <McTw1st> zZzZz slow download come on its only 4gig 15:19:57 <Prof_Frink> McTw1st: See, (K)Ubuntu is one CD 15:20:23 <McTw1st> :) 15:20:30 <McTw1st> this is a dvd 15:20:47 <Prof_Frink> exactly 15:23:04 <McTw1st> 1mb/s 15:24:41 <McTw1st> my max speed is 15-20Mb/s 15:26:58 *** MarkSlap [~hestporr@nsabfw1.nsab.se] has joined #openttd 15:27:54 <McTw1st> hestporr lol :P 15:34:07 <peter1138> bah 15:34:21 <peter1138> safari ignores my dpi setting, heh 15:34:37 <peter1138> not to mention the stupid 'brushed metal' look 15:35:41 *** MarkSlap [~hestporr@nsabfw1.nsab.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:35:57 <McTw1st> {L}âUghîñ Ôut £òU{Ð} 15:36:03 <McTw1st> oh come on 15:36:10 <McTw1st> l o l peter :P 15:36:35 <McTw1st> iv been thinking of getting a mac just dont know what 15:36:38 <hylje> burning the ubuntu cd took longer than downloading it 15:36:54 <McTw1st> ha ha :D 15:36:56 *** Frostregen_ [~sucks@dslb-084-058-181-179.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 15:37:10 <McTw1st> im gonna burn openSUSE dvd >,< in about 20-30min 15:37:33 <hylje> if yer gonna get a mac 15:37:42 <hylje> expect to do stuff the mac way 15:38:00 <hylje> or bail out and install alternatie oses 15:39:02 <Guest821> or just throw the mac away 15:39:09 *** Guest821 is now known as Caemyr 15:39:36 <peter1138> QNX! 15:40:29 <hylje> qnx heh 15:41:09 <hylje> i wish unix didnt fragment standard wise so much 15:41:29 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A5AEF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:41:34 *** Ailure [Gamefreak@194.47.44.201] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:42:35 <Prof_Frink> hylje: But if there weren't so many standards, how would we be sure of conforming to at least one of them? 15:42:44 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-166-087.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:43:06 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 15:43:08 <hylje> you got a point there, but i dont have any idea wut 15:49:29 <ln-> http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/07/21/1353241 15:50:56 <Caemyr> yeah...:) 15:51:07 <Caemyr> internet is for porn:P 15:51:19 *** pPACO_BAN is now known as Phazorx 15:59:14 <McTw1st> mac im thinking of is a macbook pro 15:59:32 <McTw1st> allthou i can just get a normal laptop for the same price ^^ 15:59:48 <McTw1st> problems with mac's are that their so damn expencive 16:00:37 <ln-> that's not exactly true 16:03:30 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A5AEF.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 16:04:19 <McTw1st> ln- they are, specialy new ones 16:04:22 <hylje> xpensive yes worth the price yes 16:04:39 <ln-> of course there are expensive models too (such as macbook pro), but can you claim that e.g. macbook or mac mini is "damn expensive"? 16:05:03 <McTw1st> well i want something with a umph 16:05:27 <ln-> McTw1st: do you mean "new ones" as the opposite of "second hand" or "models that are still sold and have been around for a while"? 16:05:57 <McTw1st> brand new ones since there aint allot of used ones in sweden beeing sold 16:06:37 <ln-> McTw1st: what makes the new ones especially expensive then? 16:07:18 <ln-> since i'm under the impression that apple basically sets some price for a product when it comes to the market, and usually doesn't alter it until the introduction of the next revision... 16:07:22 <McTw1st> becous they are going for 20k + here 16:08:05 <peter1138> because 16:08:18 <ln-> and that would mean the brand new macs have the best power/price ratio just after the introduction of a new model or revision. 16:08:23 <hylje> 2k euro is ok for a pro level lappy 16:08:43 <McTw1st> for 2k euro i can get double the power in a pc >.< 16:08:57 <ln-> McTw1st: url? 16:09:05 <McTw1st> 2? 16:10:09 <ln-> McTw1st: url to a 2k-euro laptop that has double power compared to a macbook pro? 16:10:22 *** NukeBuster [~opera@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:10:32 *** NukeBuster [~opera@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 16:10:51 <peter1138> you misunderstand 16:10:58 <Phazorx> can rcon pass be set from server console? 16:11:07 <McTw1st> by pc i mean desktop (build ur own) 16:11:08 <peter1138> 2k-euro will get you a pretty decent desktop pc 16:11:13 <McTw1st> exacly 16:12:09 <ln-> i see. but that's true for all laptop-desktop comparisons, not only for apple laptop - pc desktop. 16:12:35 <McTw1st> fact is that laptops allways has been the underdog compared to desktops 16:13:08 <McTw1st> whats the worst mac out there? top of the line that is 16:13:15 <McTw1st> c2d e6600? 16:13:32 *** NukeBuster [~opera@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:13:58 *** NukeBuster [~opera@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 16:15:41 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A44B7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:16:07 *** impulze [~impulze@p54A9CA10.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:16:08 <ln-> worst? slowest? 16:16:14 <impulze> hi there :D 16:16:14 <McTw1st> no top of the line 16:16:25 <impulze> nightstalker: huhu ;) 16:16:26 <McTw1st> hey impulze 16:16:27 <ln-> that must be powermac. 16:16:34 <nightstalker> impulze: hi 16:16:37 <McTw1st> in laptops 16:16:44 <McTw1st> macbook pro right? 16:16:47 <McTw1st> 2gig ram= 16:16:54 *** Digitalfox_Notebook [~chatzilla@bl7-182-248.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/2007030919]] 16:17:13 <ln-> sorry, not powermac but mac pro. 16:17:17 <impulze> anyone able to explain to me how to build those massive junctions and station configurations (e.g. from owen's site) in a map where space is limited? 16:17:39 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1EF9C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:17:43 <impulze> when i've build such a station configuration it's just 3 blocks to the next station configuration etc. 16:17:55 <impulze> it doesn't look very functional to me :) 16:19:09 *** Tobin [~tobin@c58-107-50-36.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 16:19:15 <McTw1st> ln- wich one of thees 2 would u pick 16:19:15 <McTw1st> http://www.macworld.com/news/2006/02/14/pricecomparison2/index.php 16:20:32 <McTw1st> for a gamers view this is 16:20:40 <McTw1st> mac not much games pc much games 16:20:42 <McTw1st> {L}âUghîñ Ôut £òU{Ð} 16:21:15 *** mode/#openttd [+b *!*dupont@*.1044-1-64736c12.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] by peter1138 16:21:15 *** McTw1st was kicked from #openttd by peter1138 [yeah, turn that off] 16:21:38 *** scia [~scia@85.149.96.102] has joined #openttd 16:21:39 <ln-> well he's from sweden 16:24:02 *** Tobin [~tobin@c58-107-50-36.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [] 16:25:50 *** Zr40 [~zr40@zr40.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 16:26:54 <impulze> heh anyone got any screenshots related to my "problem"? :) 16:27:04 <impulze> any example would be fine 16:29:18 *** impulze_ [~impulze@p54A9C974.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:29:50 <impulze_> whoopsi 16:31:21 *** nightstalker_ [~Alex@p5494D408.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:33:11 <Rippsy> I found a good one, subsidies that end due to an industy closing display the news paper saying "Offer of subsidy expired: Cargo from Industry1 to will now not attract a subsidy." as there is no industry2 16:36:04 *** impulze [~impulze@p54A9CA10.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:36:20 *** impulze_ is now known as impulze 16:36:44 *** nightstalker [~Alex@p5494F245.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:38:20 *** mode/#openttd [-b *!*dupont@*.1044-1-64736c12.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] by peter1138 16:41:22 *** Digitalfox_Desktop [~Digitalfo@bl7-182-248.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 16:43:16 *** NW|Aerandir [magic.powe@90-230-201-111-no37.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 16:43:25 *** Maedhros [~jc@i-195-137-43-74.freedom2surf.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:50:17 <Rippsy> that was random peter :) 16:51:26 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A44B7.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 17:11:36 *** prakti [~prakti@port-213-148-152-8.static.qsc.de] has quit [Quit: Quitting .... Hackedi...hackedi...weg.] 17:15:16 *** Mucht [~Mucht@p57A0D2D4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:16:12 <ln-> peter1138: does the pilot of a plane sit on the left or right in britain? 17:16:33 <Sacro> ln-: left 17:16:37 <Sacro> co pilot sits on the right 17:16:39 <Sacro> agaik 17:16:42 <Sacro> *afaik 17:18:02 <ln-> so no trace of left-side traffic in the cockpit. 17:18:49 <Sacro> err... 17:19:01 <Sacro> i don't think it matters with aircraft 17:19:08 <Sacro> though i think shipping lanes are done on the left 17:31:49 *** NukeBuster [~opera@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:32:40 *** NukeBuster [~opera@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 17:33:31 *** NukeBuster [~opera@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:33:41 *** NukeBuster [~opera@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 17:34:06 *** Ailure [Gamefreak@194.47.44.201] has joined #openttd 17:42:10 *** Ailure [Gamefreak@194.47.44.201] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:43:53 *** Zuu [~leif@c-9ac0e655.510-8-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 17:45:07 <Zuu> ~2 months since I last looked on my work on configurable keys... and I have not even left a single TODO or anything.. heh ... only thing i got is a IRC log to go on .. :) 17:49:01 *** Kyjo [txxakrzbtz@nezmar.netlab.cz] has joined #openttd 17:49:23 *** Kyjo [txxakrzbtz@nezmar.netlab.cz] has left #openttd [] 18:05:49 <Digitalfox_Desktop> Can someone help me with some Grf NFO coding?? 18:07:43 *** rav [~rav_nl@213-84-75-15.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:29:15 *** Tlustoch [~last_evol@vetrnik.koleje.cuni.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:35:07 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: miham * r10648 /trunk/src/lang/croatian.txt: 18:35:07 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2007-07-21 20:34:31 18:35:07 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: croatian - 44 fixed, 143 changed by knovak (187) 18:49:50 *** HMage` [HMage@hmage.dialup.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 18:51:45 *** Mucht_ [~Mucht@p57A0EE59.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:55:30 *** Mucht [~Mucht@p57A0D2D4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:57:34 *** HMage [Queneex@hmage.dialup.corbina.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:59:27 *** NukeBuster [~opera@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 19:03:05 *** Dark_Link^^ [~glidegame@xDSL-45-77.citynetnassjo.se] has joined #openttd 19:08:09 *** Dark_Link^ [~glidegame@xDSL-45-77.citynetnassjo.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:09:09 *** MUcht [~Mucht@p57A0E490.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:10:35 <rav> it's quiet.. 19:12:03 <rav> alright, who wants to read a boring, ongoing, long, politicaly engaged blog post I wrote? 19:12:20 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1EF9C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:12:54 *** Mucht_ [~Mucht@p57A0EE59.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:13:04 *** HMage [Queneex@hmage.dialup.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 19:17:58 *** stillunk1own [~stillunkn@212-182-130-7.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 19:19:50 <TrueBrain> rav: so, you want this channel to become even more quiet with that statement, or what? :) 19:20:03 <rav> can it become more quiet? 19:20:13 <TrueBrain> @masskick 19:20:14 <rav> I mean, the only one who said anything in an hour was a bot 19:20:15 <TrueBrain> doh :p 19:20:20 <ln-> it could without some "rav" babbling all the time 19:20:24 *** HMage` [HMage@hmage.dialup.corbina.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:20:27 <TrueBrain> that too yes ;) 19:20:39 <rav> I'll just shut up and go hide in a corner 19:21:04 <TrueBrain> Which corner? 19:21:14 <rav> hmm 19:21:21 <rav> I have quite a few I can choose from 19:21:27 <TrueBrain> just in case I am bored and want to kick you around 19:22:41 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@212-182-130-7.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:23:35 <rav> if you are bored enough to get here and then kick me around 19:23:45 <rav> you need to get a job :p 19:26:54 <Sacro> http://pc.benwoodward.me.uk/piespy/openttd.png 19:26:56 <Sacro> how pretty 19:27:50 <TrueBrain> I once modified piespy to work correctly with #openttd, and run it hourly 19:27:52 <TrueBrain> gave nice results :) 19:28:04 <Sacro> TrueBrain: i've had it running for a while, but it's been very quiet in here 19:28:12 <Sacro> http://pc.benwoodward.me.uk/piespy/tycoon.png is weird though 19:28:27 <TrueBrain> PieSpy fucks up really fast 19:28:34 <TrueBrain> so it took me a while to fix some bugs and get a nicer picture 19:28:39 <TrueBrain> I also rewrote it to PHP I believe 19:28:43 <Sacro> php? 19:28:47 <Sacro> do you still have it? 19:29:12 <TrueBrain> I remember me doing a rm -rf last time over some dir named that, let me check 19:30:12 <TrueBrain> hmm, CPieSpy 19:30:16 <TrueBrain> I wrote it in C :p 19:30:22 <Sacro> oooh nice 19:30:33 <TrueBrain> yeah, clearly my handwriting :) 19:30:51 <TrueBrain> hehe, 645 lines long :p 19:30:57 <TrueBrain> I rewrote a java port of PieSpy to C :p 19:31:02 <TrueBrain> But it was buggy, I believe 19:31:09 <TrueBrain> dunno what exactly 19:31:46 * TrueBrain sends Sacro the secret SVN url of the repos 19:31:51 <TrueBrain> last changed: 2006-09 19:31:52 <TrueBrain> old!! :p 19:33:05 <peter1138> you are 19:34:17 *** Ailure [Gamefreak@194.47.44.201] has joined #openttd 19:37:06 <TrueBrain> I'm not! 19:41:32 <TrueBrain> rav: now you are quiet 19:42:14 <rav> yes, I know, sry :) 19:42:20 *** Ailure [Gamefreak@194.47.44.201] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:42:24 <rav> gimme one minute :p 19:44:06 <rav> there 19:49:16 <Rippsy> peter1138 how come you kept joining/dropping off my server earlier? 19:49:27 <peter1138> no idea, probably dodgy wireless 19:49:48 <Rippsy> Its annoying I want a server config which makes it hard to make money, but not impossible to start up 19:49:55 <Rippsy> finding it hard to get right :-/ 19:50:47 *** Tlustoch [~last_evol@vetrnik.koleje.cuni.cz] has joined #openttd 19:59:05 *** scia [~scia@85.149.96.102] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 20:10:17 *** Zr40 [~zr40@zr40.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Zr40] 20:10:25 <TrueBrain> lalala 20:10:31 <orudge> la la to you too 20:10:32 <rav> dompiedom 20:10:43 <TrueBrain> rav: close, the correct reply is: pompiedom 20:10:46 <TrueBrain> but I take it ;) 20:11:36 <Sacro> TrueBrain: from behind? 20:11:45 <TrueBrain> Excuse me?! 20:12:39 <peter1138> pom te pom 20:12:49 <TrueBrain> and now, I need a shower 20:12:52 <TrueBrain> I cut some trees today 20:12:55 <TrueBrain> makes you really dirty 20:13:08 <TrueBrain> (now Sacro, is a perfect moment for such comments) 20:13:24 <Sacro> hehe 20:13:30 <Sacro> TrueBrain: trimming your bush eh? 20:13:38 <TrueBrain> took you long enough 20:13:42 <TrueBrain> bbl :) 20:20:58 *** rav [~rav_nl@213-84-75-15.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 20:39:09 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1EF9C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:01:37 *** Mucht_ [~Mucht@p57A0F2E1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:01:37 *** Thomas[NL] [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:01:40 *** Thomas[NL] [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 21:05:25 *** MUcht [~Mucht@p57A0E490.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:07:00 *** MUcht [~Mucht@p57A0E4D7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:07:25 *** Zr40 [~zr40@zr40.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 21:07:54 *** BobingAbout [~BobingAbo@adsl-213-249-225-139.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 21:07:58 *** BobingAbout [~BobingAbo@adsl-213-249-225-139.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [] 21:10:45 *** Mucht_ [~Mucht@p57A0F2E1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:11:23 *** Mucht_ [~Mucht@p57A0E5BD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:15:04 *** MUcht [~Mucht@p57A0E4D7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:26:59 <Zuu> hmmm 21:32:24 <TrueBrain> prrrtttt 21:33:14 * Sacro holds his nose 21:33:46 *** MUcht [~Mucht@p57A0EAE4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:34:03 <TrueBrain> stttt, he is back 21:35:19 <Phazorx> hmm... is there an a way to make server pause when client DLs the map 21:35:41 <Phazorx> i got 512up and while klient DLs - too much happens and clients can not sycn up 21:35:53 <TrueBrain> pause_on_join, maybe? :p 21:36:03 <glx> that's after the dl 21:36:11 <TrueBrain> true :) 21:36:22 <TrueBrain> but any client should be able to catch up after that, if the map is not 2kx2k :p 21:36:25 <glx> use smaller maps 21:36:40 <glx> or get better upload ;) 21:37:10 <Phazorx> TrueBrain: aint working like that 21:37:14 <Phazorx> map is ~1.1M 21:37:22 <Phazorx> takes about 8-12 sek for client to get 21:37:34 <Phazorx> and then 21:37:36 <Phazorx> Client #104 is dropped because it took longer than 500 ticks for him to join 21:37:36 <Phazorx> *** Konowl` has left the game (connection lost) 21:37:38 <peter1138> hmm, does pause_on_join not pause before the map is downloaded? 21:37:47 <TrueBrain> peter1138: no, would pause the game a bit too much :) 21:37:59 <TrueBrain> easy way to DDoS a game: join and download on a REALLY slow rate :p 21:38:04 *** Mucht_ [~Mucht@p57A0E5BD.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:38:22 <Phazorx> TrueBrain: configurable timer for that would fix the issue 21:38:22 <TrueBrain> Phazorx: some clients are just too slow to keep up with the game 21:38:32 <Phazorx> well we have controlled environemtn 21:38:33 <TrueBrain> for example, a 2kx2k map can't be played on all clients 21:38:42 <Phazorx> that's coopers who i am taking about 21:38:50 <TrueBrain> so it has a timer, it gives 500 ticks to join, which is a lot 21:38:51 <Phazorx> it's 1kx512 21:38:53 <glx> try increase max_join_time 21:39:04 <Phazorx> glx: syntax ? 21:39:15 <peter1138> max_join_time n 21:39:31 <Phazorx> how do i see current value 21:39:34 <Phazorx> or it is 500 ? 21:39:58 <glx> max_join_time without param outputs the current value 21:40:04 <glx> 500 by default 21:40:15 <Phazorx> thanks 21:40:16 <Phazorx> we'll try 21:41:15 <Phazorx> so.. .serevr caches for that many ticks all actions and then syncs the client? 21:41:30 <TrueBrain> hmm, not really 21:41:39 <TrueBrain> it starts caching them when a client starts to download the map 21:41:43 <Phazorx> how does it work? 21:41:53 <TrueBrain> after the client says he is done with map download, it gets 500 ticks to process the commands don in that time 21:42:01 <TrueBrain> hoping you have pause_on_join 21:42:03 <Phazorx> well yes i meant once DL starts that is a desync point 21:42:05 <TrueBrain> that isn't too much 21:42:10 <TrueBrain> but he gets 500 ticks to do just that 21:42:14 <Phazorx> pause on join is on 21:42:26 <TrueBrain> so, you say12 seconds 21:42:36 <TrueBrain> @calc 12 * 1000 / 33 21:42:36 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: 363.636363636 21:42:44 <TrueBrain> 363 ticks to handle in 500 ticks 21:42:52 <TrueBrain> if a client can't handle that, the CPU is too slow to join the server at all 21:43:23 <glx> does join_time includes download ? 21:43:30 <TrueBrain> glx: it shouldn't :) 21:43:43 <TrueBrain> (and as far as I know, it doesn't) 21:44:29 <Phazorx> Client #106 is dropped because it took longer than 1000 ticks for him to join 21:44:29 <Phazorx> *** Konowl` has left the game (connection lost) 21:44:39 <TrueBrain> Phazorx: give him 2000000 ticks, he will be kicked 21:44:43 <TrueBrain> if not directly, then in time 21:44:52 <TrueBrain> the client is too slow to keep up with the map realtime 21:44:55 <glx> what is CPU? 21:45:01 <Phazorx> server or client? 21:45:13 <glx> kicked client 21:46:01 <Zuu> Oh.. something did happen in the channel.. :) 21:46:04 <Phazorx> he's got amd 3800+ 21:46:14 <Phazorx> server 2500+ 21:46:19 <Phazorx> server got load of ~40% 21:46:59 * Zuu is making research in src/settings.cpp and some other intresting files ... 21:47:00 <glx> then he should be able to join unless his cpu is already overloaded 21:48:57 <Phazorx> hmm... workd 3rd time 21:49:09 <Phazorx> he connected via console 21:49:14 <Phazorx> btw, unrelated Q 21:49:25 <Phazorx> what was the command to reset company? 21:49:29 *** Mucht_ [~Mucht@p57A0F063.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:49:36 <glx> reset_company 21:49:53 <glx> list_cmds gives you the list 21:50:46 <Phazorx> thank you much 21:50:58 * Zuu likes network and misc settings best. :) 21:51:34 <Zuu> win32 settings are also nice. :p 21:52:37 <Phazorx> can i use max_join_time = 1000 in .cfg? 21:52:47 <glx> yes 21:52:56 *** MUcht [~Mucht@p57A0EAE4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:53:53 <Rippsy> I find pause on join works better in most cases 21:54:00 <Rippsy> but that can get annoying 21:54:10 <Phazorx> pause on join is enabled 21:54:19 <Rippsy> And it still drops him!? 21:54:23 <Phazorx> too many players and vehicles 21:54:28 <Rippsy> jeebus, find out when he last fed his hamster powered CPU :) 21:54:39 <Phazorx> he says it's fast 21:54:51 <Phazorx> and looking at server usage - any cpu should be fine 21:54:55 <TrueBrain> run: 'status' 21:54:55 <Rippsy> is it fast and encoding, while playing, copying burning and watching a film and loading ttd? 21:55:00 <TrueBrain> and see how many ticks he is behind now :p 21:55:04 <Phazorx> i have 3 year old tbred @2200 21:55:09 <Phazorx> and it is used 40% 21:56:08 <Phazorx> he got 4 21:56:19 <Phazorx> on par with another player for lowest 21:56:34 *** orudge [~orudge@91.84.56.243] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:56:34 <TrueBrain> funny :p 21:56:35 <Phazorx> worst is 67 21:57:02 <Phazorx> spread is 3-7 now 21:58:03 <Rippsy> is this on a public server 21:59:26 <Phazorx> it is public server for #openttdcoop 21:59:28 <Phazorx> for time being 21:59:47 <Phazorx> but ity is not advertized and you can not get there essentialy unless you are in #openttdcoop channel 22:00:04 <Phazorx> Client #109 name: '0sai' status: 'loading map' frame-lag: 949 22:00:06 *** orudge [~orudge@91.84.56.243] has joined #openttd 22:00:08 *** mode/#openttd [+o orudge] by ChanServ 22:00:47 <TrueBrain> get a bigger upload :p 22:01:11 <Phazorx> or a smaller map 22:01:14 <Phazorx> let's cut trees 22:01:23 <Phazorx> actualy 22:01:27 <Phazorx> that would be nice 22:01:44 <Phazorx> a feature for company for 99% of money 22:01:49 <Phazorx> - cut all trees 22:01:52 <Rippsy> lol 22:02:22 <Phazorx> this map was 20k blank and 350k with trees 22:02:38 <Phazorx> i dont expect ratio to be same but trees definately hurt compression 22:03:03 <Rippsy> can't we just have a setting where they don't grow? 22:03:30 <Phazorx> greenpeace is against that, no 22:04:24 <Rippsy> every two decades a tidal wave which is just strong enough to uproot tree's but not dmg track? ;) 22:05:03 <Zuu> Hmm... the names used for GameOptions variables in .cfg are not defined in source but the names used for patches are.. *Zuu is comfused* Are *they* relying on order??? 22:08:15 *** thgergo [~th_gergo@dsl51B65D57.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:10:36 <Smoovious> yes 22:12:52 *** MUcht [~Mucht@p57A0DFE4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:16:02 <Zuu> Not relly suprised.. though 22:18:40 <Wolf01> 'night 22:18:43 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host238-162-dynamic.56-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 22:18:48 <Zuu> Quite a standard behavior in OpenTTD code :) 22:19:24 <peter1138> what are you talking about? 22:19:41 *** Mucht_ [~Mucht@p57A0F063.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:20:56 <Zuu> I am trying to understand how stuff are stored to the .cfg file.. I found it intresting that patch-strings used in the cfg-file are defined in code but same strings for game options seam to not be in the code. 22:21:31 <Zuu> try grep -r \"autorenew_money\" src 22:21:44 <Zuu> and compare with grep -r \"road_side\" src 22:22:21 <Zuu> The first one returns a hit in settings_gui.cpp while the second one do not return any result. 22:23:54 <Zuu> Not relly important... I still got more to study before I get to a point where I gasp it enougth to do something.... 22:24:51 <glx> SetDParam(3, STR_02E9_DRIVE_ON_LEFT + _opt_ptr->road_side); <-- what's wrong for you in this? 22:25:45 <Zuu> is STR_02E9_DRIVE_ON_LEFT always equal to "road_side" ? 22:25:48 <glx> settings_gui.cpp:148 22:26:07 <Zuu> Isn't STR_ stuff I18N? 22:26:13 <Zuu> i18n? 22:26:14 <glx> LEFT + road_side 22:26:38 <glx> it's a StringID 22:27:20 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1EF9C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:27:36 <Zuu> And strings are different depending on users language.. Or is there special strings that are not changed depending on user language? 22:28:03 <glx> StringID don't change, only the text displayed 22:29:35 <Zuu> I think we are talking about different things... I was looking for where the string "road_side" is defined so that it knows how to interpret openttd.cfg. But thanks for your help anyway :) 22:30:42 <Zuu> as in that "autorenew_money" is defined on line 728 in settings_gui.cpp 22:31:16 *** Mucht_ [~Mucht@p57A0E342.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:31:25 <glx> ha you mean "left|right" ? 22:32:14 <Zuu> no the variable name used in the cfg-file. 22:32:52 <Zuu> In openttd.cfg: "road_side = right" 22:32:56 *** Osai is now known as Osai^zZz 22:32:58 <Zuu> The right part of that. 22:33:45 <Zuu> For patches those strings are defined in settings_gui.cpp but I couldn't find the ones for game options :s 22:34:45 <glx> it's done in make_oneofmany() in settings.cpp 22:35:01 *** MUcht [~Mucht@p57A0DFE4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:35:05 <glx> using "left|right" and the value of road_side 22:35:36 <Rippsy> How come when using the replace vehical feature, you can't replace some trains into others -- eg: Desert, 1979 - trying to replace a steam enginer with a diesel and its grayed out (no new grfs installed) 22:35:39 *** MUcht [~Mucht@p57A0F2BD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:36:41 <Zuu> glx: Okay, i understand in principial now. Though I have not yet tried to fully understand the oneofmany / manyofmany etc. sutff. 22:36:54 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B7640A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:36:58 <Rippsy> n/m figured it out 22:39:19 *** Mucht_ [~Mucht@p57A0E342.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:40:09 *** KritiK [Maxim@ppp85-140-204-215.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:50:10 *** Zuu [~leif@c-9ac0e655.510-8-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 22:52:14 *** rav [~rav_nl@213-84-75-15.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 22:52:26 <Sacro> http://bash.org/?642195 22:56:41 <rav> heh 22:56:42 <rav> :D 22:56:55 <rav> 22:56:55 <rav> sweet17: You look like the Farm Fresh guy lol 22:56:55 <rav> bloodninja: Well, you look like you ATE the Farm Fresh guy . 22:56:55 <rav> bloodninja: Not to mention all the groceries. 22:56:55 <rav> sweet17: Go fuck yourself 22:56:56 <rav> bloodninja: I was going to until I saw that picture 22:56:57 <rav> I love that part 22:57:57 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:59:07 <glx> hey it's on wikipedia IIRC 23:00:41 <rav> I've been listening to Depeche Mode all day 23:00:47 <Rippsy> bloodninja is a hero lol 23:00:48 <rav> and now my head feels squishy 23:02:03 *** nightstalker_ [~Alex@p5494D408.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Nightstalkers Don't Quit.] 23:08:21 *** nightstalker [~Alex@p5494D408.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:17:10 *** NukeBuster [~opera@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 23:19:35 *** rav [~rav_nl@213-84-75-15.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:23:22 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387C4C7.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 23:24:38 *** Osai^zZz [~Osai@pD9EB551B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai^zZz] 23:31:03 *** iPandaMojo [~panda@c-67-183-216-154.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 23:39:30 <Rippsy> is there anyway to alter the openttd.cfg file while running a dedicated server with out restarting it? (eg I want to change the economy type from stable to fluctuating) 23:40:11 <glx> it's a diff setting and they are not modifiable from console 23:41:01 <Rippsy> awf 23:41:04 <Rippsy> are those kept in saves? 23:41:08 <Rippsy> because i just tried to alter it 23:41:10 <Rippsy> and reload the server 23:41:15 <glx> yes they are in save 23:41:16 <Rippsy> but its gone back to the same 23:41:20 <Rippsy> Hmm 23:41:26 <Rippsy> so if i loaded the save in a single player, altered it 23:41:27 <Rippsy> and resaved it? 23:41:32 <glx> will work 23:41:39 <Rippsy> good to know 23:41:45 <Rippsy> cheers glx :) 23:42:18 <glx> but be sure the game is paused :) 23:42:28 <glx> because AI can do bad things 23:42:31 <Rippsy> lol :D 23:42:49 <Rippsy> Sounds like a plan, oo how about if I loaded it as a multiplayer save but not dedicated? 23:43:12 <glx> should work too 23:43:22 <Rippsy> Less chance of evil ai abuse :) 23:50:33 *** Gekko [~Brendan@CPE-124-184-23-75.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 23:52:14 *** Thomas[NL] [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:54:30 *** HMage [Queneex@hmage.dialup.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: HMage]