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01:27:11  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: belugas * r10669 /trunk/src/newgrf_industries.cpp:
01:27:11  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Codechange: Removed redundant comment
01:27:11  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Codechange: Add placeholder for yet another industry "variable" to code
01:29:55  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: belugas * r10670 /trunk/src/table/build_industry.h: -Fix: Use proper initialization for grf_prop override member
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05:38:45  <Smoky555> hi all :)
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05:40:20  <Smoky555> does somebody know, how i can see statistic for transported cargos by type? is it possible in game or in some patch?
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08:40:03  <rav>
08:40:11  <rav> oops wrong link
08:40:12  <rav>
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09:23:22  <Gekko> lol
09:38:56  <Priski> how do i build adjacent stations?
09:40:42  <TrueBrain> just like: building
09:42:30  <Priski> fine answer, but i still don't really get it :)
09:43:30  <Priski> just found out that ctrl+build station next to other does not join stations together :P
09:43:44  <TrueBrain> make sure they are next to eachother
09:44:23  <prakti> !revision
09:44:29  <prakti> gna
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09:46:55  <Priski> hmm i meant distantjoin stations but is it even in the trunk yet?
09:47:21  <rav> I dont think so ;)
09:47:26  <rav> you could try the ChrisIN
09:47:27  <TrueBrain> I don't think so either ;)
09:47:40  <Priski> argh
09:48:02  <Priski> and all this time how the hell those openttdcoop guys make such stations
09:48:06  <rav> ofcourse, this raises the question: will it be in trunk? :P
09:48:26  <Priski> +"I wondered"
09:48:26  <rav> priski: there is another way of doing it
09:48:40  <Priski> how?
09:48:48  <rav> just make one bigass station, then select the station building tool and the dozer at the same time
09:48:55  <rav> then you can remove tiles of station :)
09:49:06  <rav> brb
09:49:33  <Priski> ohhh, thank you
09:49:54  <Priski> how the hell didn't i think of that :)
09:50:19  <JazzyJaffa> Is integer division network safe in ottd? I wasn't sure that it was always handled similarly on different machines/compilers.
09:50:57  <Eddi|zuHause2> i don't think so
09:51:47  <Eddi|zuHause2> er, what i mean is that integer division is usually not handled differently
09:52:03  <Eddi|zuHause2> it's early morning...
09:52:26  <TrueBrain> JazzyJaffa: it is safe to assume the result is equal :)
09:52:40  <JazzyJaffa> :) Its early morning for my brain here too (even though its 11)
09:52:41  <TrueBrain> it would be funny if 5 / 2 would result in 3 on some machine :)
09:53:01  <JazzyJaffa> Thanks, I thought I better double check be fore I wrote some!
09:53:22  <TrueBrain> 5 / 2 == 5 >> 1, is binary 101 >> 1, which is 10, which is 2
09:53:26  <TrueBrain> how cool is that! :)
09:53:50  <JazzyJaffa> yeah for the divide by 2 I have already used that
09:54:08  <JazzyJaffa> just like div by 10 in decimal
09:54:20  <JazzyJaffa> nifty
09:55:04  <JazzyJaffa> There square root I needed was the most interesting
09:55:19  <JazzyJaffa> found some algorithms for it
09:56:18  <Eddi|zuHause2> TrueBrain: that is pure coincidence :p
09:56:30  <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause2: took you long enough :)
09:56:53  <Eddi|zuHause2> yeah, my computer did not want as i wanted...
09:57:52  <Eddi|zuHause2> "mine Fru, de Ilsebill, will nich so, as ik wol will."
10:04:05  <Eddi|zuHause2> (that is from the Grimm's tale: "the fisher and his wife" [originally in 'flat' german])
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10:22:02  <Smoovious> what's the maximum amount of cash you can make now? (US Dollars)
10:24:22  <Rubidium> 2^63 pounds, but when changing it to USD you only see differences till 2^62, after that you won't notice the difference
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10:26:30  <Smoovious> using  daylength... 2 years and I got ,000,000 already... so thought I'd better find out :D
10:27:04  * Smoovious computes.
10:27:16  <Eddi|zuHause2> i hit the 2^31 limit back in the days of TTO
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10:28:13  <Smoovious> oh yeah... a max of ,611,686,018,427,387,904 (2^62) should be plenty :)
10:28:41  <TrueBrain> you think?
10:29:05  <Smoovious> well... assuming I stop at my usual year 2112
10:31:00  <Smoovious> ~.6quintillion? I think I can make do with that... it'll be tight tho...
10:31:37  <Eddi|zuHause2> Smoovious: you can reach 2^64 $, only it will show up to 2^63 $ (= 2^62 £)
10:32:23  <Eddi|zuHause2> those numbers are excluding...
10:34:01  <Smoovious> only counting  what it'll show
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10:37:01  <Eddi|zuHause2> hm... i need to try to get Civ IV running under wine... any tips?
10:37:17  <Rubidium> join #wine somewhere?
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10:44:34  <Eddi|zuHause2> doesn't seem to exist anywhere
10:44:45  <Gekko> Eddi|zuHause2: you need cedega
10:44:49  <Gekko> doesn't run in normal wine.
10:45:01  <Gekko> Eddi|zuHause2: therefore it = piracy for Linux
10:45:07  <Gekko> a new and odd adventure
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10:52:24  <Eddi|zuHause2> but i want to play Civ IV :(
10:52:47  <Eddi|zuHause2> is there any chance of it running in a virtual windows?
10:53:35  <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause2: really wrong channel
10:53:39  <TrueBrain> :p
10:53:42  <Eddi|zuHause2> :)
10:54:07  <Eddi|zuHause2> the problem is, i cannot find a "right" channel...
10:56:26  <TrueBrain> irc://, so they claim
11:16:02  <Wezz6400> that's odd, normal rail isn't supposed to cost the same as electrified rail is it?
11:16:46  <Eddi|zuHause2> that is supposed to be addressed by rebalancing
11:16:54  <Eddi|zuHause2> but it's the way it works right now
11:17:25  <Wezz6400> Ok so it's not something gone wrong with my installation
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12:30:00  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truelight * r10671 /trunk/src/strings.cpp: -Codechange: don't mix both lookup and temp-variable-with-value-of-lookup (skidd13)
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13:03:37  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r10672 /trunk/src/ (9 files in 4 dirs): -Codechange: typify some parameters/variables.
13:03:47  <Digitalfox_Notebook> TrueBrain: Is the page on the same server has Its very slow loading, at least this last days. :\
13:03:48  <rav> OMG, IT'S NEWINDUSTRIES :D
13:03:58  <Sacro> rav: ZOMG WHERE?
13:03:59  <rav> no wait.. :( :P
13:04:32  <TrueBrain> Digitalfox_Notebook: it always was; the first hit on after the cache expires makes it rebuild the cache, and it takes a while
13:04:38  <TrueBrain> as not many people request that page, it can happen a lot
13:04:48  <TrueBrain> but, once the page loaded a first time, it is fast for the next few minutes
13:05:12  <Digitalfox_Notebook> oh ok, that explains it :)
13:05:25  <Gekko[PDA]> Sacro: good.
13:05:34  <Sacro> Gekko[PDA]: eh?
13:05:56  <Gekko[PDA]> reply to your highlight from... 4 days ago
13:05:58  <Gekko[PDA]> :p
13:07:28  <Sacro> eh?
13:07:35  <Sacro> i can't recall what i said
13:08:53  <Gekko[PDA]> how are you basically
13:08:55  <Gekko[PDA]> lol
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13:10:12  <Sacro> ahh
13:10:19  <Gekko[PDA]> lol
13:10:19  <skidd13> TrueBrain: ping
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13:36:58  <browneyedboy> hi all, so this is the much talked about openttd IRC channel? my first time here :)
13:37:17  <rav> welcome
13:37:27  <browneyedboy> thanks
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13:38:45  <TrueBrain> skidd13: never just ping, always just talk; we will read it at some time
13:39:30  <skidd13> Ok, I posted an updated version of the patch in FS anyway
13:40:28  <browneyedboy> so, what's going on in here? :)
13:40:43  <rav> it's usually quite quiet
13:42:30  <browneyedboy> one thing that interested me, is that it's now able to use 32bpp graphics (or what it's called) anyway... I've tried to figure it out how to get it into the game, but I have no clue :(
13:44:18  <glx> there's a thread about that on the forum
13:44:22  <TrueBrain> skidd13: yeah, one that fails compiling
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13:45:44  <skidd13> yup, someone changed a comment from // to /*  */ and patch didn't get the target then
13:45:55  <TrueBrain> yes, // is correct, /* */ is wrong
13:46:01  <TrueBrain> but that is a minor mistake in your patch
13:46:03  <TrueBrain> but it doesn't compile
13:47:30  <skidd13> Where is the problem?
13:47:37  <TrueBrain> try it yourself
13:47:45  <skidd13> Here it compiles fine
13:47:54  <skidd13> Are you on windows?
13:48:00  <TrueBrain> nope, of course not
13:48:29  <ln-> ok, i received my Transport Tycoon Deluxe CD today.
13:48:39  <ln-> and as far as i can tell, it is the windows version.
13:49:01  <skidd13> TrueBrain: Can you post the error message please.
13:49:41  <TrueBrain> hmmm
13:49:42  <TrueBrain> it is patch
13:49:44  <TrueBrain> I hate patch
13:50:32  <ln-> or then not
13:51:43  <skidd13> Could be that its from svk. Remove the last 5 lines if your patch-binary wont eat it.
13:54:12  <TrueBrain> no, it is that reverting doesn't revert new files
13:54:15  <TrueBrain> which is _very_ annoying
13:54:34  <TrueBrain> skidd13: still, the timer does nothing if I do nothing
13:54:42  <TrueBrain> so it is still very much broken, imo
13:54:57  <skidd13> Did you press start and are on FF?
13:55:06  <TrueBrain> why would I need ff enabled?
13:55:35  <skidd13> You need high CPU load.
13:55:39  <TrueBrain> why?
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13:59:17  <TrueBrain> (and of course, by definition, if a developer asks the question, for sure a user will too :))
14:00:08  <skidd13> yes, I'm thinking over the exact reight answer. (user understandable)
14:00:12  <skidd13> right
14:00:26  <TrueBrain> you should fix it that it returns 30 fps in non FF
14:00:32  <TrueBrain> useful to see if clients are to slow to keep up
14:00:34  <peter1138> no
14:00:35  <TrueBrain> as that number will drop :)
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14:00:41  <peter1138> it shouldn't be fixed at 30 :p
14:00:47  <peter1138> it should show the correct fps
14:00:51  <TrueBrain> who said fixed?
14:00:56  <TrueBrain> I said he should FIX it
14:00:59  <TrueBrain> READ peter1138, read!
14:01:13  <peter1138> ah, but you said FIX it so it returns 30!
14:01:22  <glx> fix not force :)
14:01:24  <peter1138> if (!ff) return 30;
14:01:25  <TrueBrain> :)
14:01:28  <peter1138> fixed!
14:01:33  <TrueBrain> yeah, exit(0)
14:01:34  <TrueBrain> FIXED!
14:02:11  <skidd13> I remember that there's a right value for some COOP games.
14:02:33  <peter1138> i don't quite see how the fps counter can depend on being in FF though
14:03:01  <TrueBrain> exactly my point yes
14:03:24  <skidd13> It depends on CPU load. Or more exact on the difference to the planed (30)fps.
14:03:38  <peter1138> you have a very strange method of counting fps, then
14:03:44  <TrueBrain> very :p
14:05:07  <skidd13> I don't say that the calculation is based on the difference. But it works better on high CPU usage.
14:05:24  <TrueBrain> sorry, but it sounds broken to me
14:06:14  <TrueBrain> <- peter1138: there you go, the bug fix for ALL problems!! (warning, 5 MiB patch!)
14:06:46  <glx> svn del -R . ?
14:06:52  <TrueBrain> yeah, kind of
14:06:59  <Wezz6400> lol
14:06:59  <TrueBrain> only thisone does compile
14:08:43  <rav> wow: that patch is awesome :p
14:08:54  <rav> I like the +peterfix.cpp
14:09:19  <TrueBrain> so you truely wasted 5MiB of good bandwidth :p
14:09:31  <rav> I have no bandwidth limits
14:09:33  <rav> :)
14:09:46  <TrueBrain> the webhost might ;)
14:09:58  <rav> then why do you post such a patch
14:10:00  <rav> :p
14:10:05  <TrueBrain> :) Haha
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14:12:27  <TrueBrain> hahahaha
14:14:12  <skidd13> TrueBrain: The problem with the patch is that it uses CPU time instead of real time and so you get low values in a normal game without FF. But for cebug it's nicer to have environment independent results.
14:14:30  <skidd13> cebug -> debug
14:15:45  <TrueBrain> I understand what you try to aim with (and I doubt it can be ported to Windows, but okay); personally I think there is more interest in a FPS that counts the FPS including the env
14:17:01  <TrueBrain> with = at
14:17:18  <skidd13> I use the C++ standards of time.h so it should work on windows either. The problem with the env including stuff it that the defaults of time.h return only sec and I need millisec
14:17:49  <TrueBrain> we already have enough code to get the msec for all OSes OpenTTD runs on
14:17:53  <skidd13> either -> although
14:18:41  <skidd13> TrueBrain: where?
14:19:02  <TrueBrain> dunno, but I believe all devs by now already made a fps patch, so I know it is there :p
14:20:23  <skidd13> The patch is abstract so a environment dependend version can be added anyway.
14:27:42  <skidd13> TrueBrain: The patch was initialy created to get a basic information how high-performance a change to the code is. So I like to stay with it as it is. The only thing which could be thought over is the dependency to FF on a standard game.
14:27:55  <skidd13> over -> about
14:28:08  <TrueBrain> or you might want to add a switch to switch from CPU time to real time
14:29:28  <skidd13> If I find the pice of code from the openttd source witch gets the real-time in millisec it is an alternative.
14:29:35  <glx> CPerformanceTimer in yapf.h may help you
14:30:03  <glx> yapf.hpp indeef
14:30:19  <KUDr_wrk> QueryPerformanceCounter()
14:30:30  <KUDr_wrk> & QueryPerformanceFrequency()
14:30:37  <KUDr_wrk> 2 very simple APIs
14:31:01  <KUDr_wrk> skidd13: but do it on linuze, i can add wi32 support there
14:32:23  <glx> hmm defined in win32.cpp but never used it seems
14:32:37  <glx> int64 GetTS()
14:34:59  <skidd13> CPerformanceTimer is CPU time too if I can trust the comments.
14:35:11  <KUDr_wrk> CPU?
14:35:25  <KUDr_wrk> it uses CPU buildin counter
14:35:32  <KUDr_wrk> but measures real time
14:35:41  <KUDr_wrk> not a thread or process time
14:38:16  <skidd13> src/yapf/yapf_base.hpp:63 ... ///< stats - total CPU time of this run (then comments might be missunderstandable)
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14:39:59  <KUDr_wrk> yes, older comments than the code itself
14:40:14  <KUDr_wrk> i was unable to get real cpu time on linux and mac
14:40:26  <skidd13> I've an appointment with my car repair shop. I'll be back later.
14:40:34  <KUDr_wrk> so it is now real time (w/ start/pause/continue/stop)
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15:22:16  <Rippsy> what date does maglev become available
15:22:26  <hylje> 2020 +-2
15:23:15  <Rippsy> lol
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15:30:53  <Rippsy> i just came back to a game on my server and 40 years has passed.. some people were VERY busy last night :o
15:31:06  <Rippsy> think i'll wait four and go whole network maglev :)
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15:38:58  <Wezz6400> hmm my server is empty once again :(
15:39:55  <Rippsy> mine apparently had a very busy night
15:39:59  <Rippsy> and im playing catch up now!
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15:41:10  <Wezz6400> I think I need more players
15:41:21  <Rippsy> I found once you get about 3 a night
15:41:25  <Rippsy> the rest of the slots just fill up
15:41:36  <Wezz6400> well mine is password protected heh
15:41:41  <Rippsy> That could stop it ;)
15:41:50  <Wezz6400> it's just for me and two classmates, but they're not playing I guess
15:42:07  <Rippsy> I started password protected, but its more fun with dropins :)
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15:46:07  <Wezz6400> well I don't know
15:46:33  <Wezz6400> We kinda split the map up in regions and everyone has his own part, then we each play in our own area
15:46:46  <Wezz6400> basicly we like playing coop but our building styles and skills don't match up :X
15:46:58  <hylje> :o
15:47:18  <hylje> region game is fun too
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15:48:10  <Wezz6400> when the subsidaries patch makes it we will play different companies ;)
15:49:20  <De_Ghost> what's subsidaries patch?
15:49:29  <Rippsy> what subsidies patch?
15:49:39  <Belugas> "when"???
15:49:40  <Rippsy> Wezz6400, i've tried htat
15:49:47  <Rippsy> I find it works if you set down ground rules
15:49:56  <TrueBrain> first question would be: "if" :)
15:50:00  <Rippsy> such as, station length, train length for type, signals distance etc
15:50:06  <Rippsy> which side you drive on
15:50:34  <Wezz6400> Rippsy well I'm pretty decent in building intersections, however I seem to be the only one
15:50:55  <De_Ghost> #openttdcoop ?
15:50:57  <Wezz6400> Before we did regions usually I was building and my classmate was watching me XD
15:51:19  <JazzyJaffa> Is there a cheat way to build an oilrig for debug purposes?
15:51:32  <De_Ghost> a cheat way?
15:51:34  <Rippsy> Wezz6400 yea i usually have that
15:51:38  <Rippsy> I just make them do the grunt work :D
15:51:44  <Rippsy> "connect this place to mainline.."
15:51:47  <Rippsy> and then i fix the connection
15:52:05  <Wezz6400> well he's pretty good at optimising stuff so we get over 2000 tons on a cole mine, however that is kinda boring to do
15:52:05  <hylje> izhirahider: we do that at coop all the time :p
15:52:07  <JazzyJaffa> De_Ghost: Just anyway to build one on demand
15:52:09  <Rippsy> JazzyJaffa, turn on raw industry building in one of the config patches
15:52:16  <hylje> Rippsy: *
15:52:23  <hylje> izhirahider: wrong tab:p
15:52:23  <Rippsy> hylje?
15:52:24  <Rippsy> ah
15:52:25  <Rippsy> :)
15:52:27  <JazzyJaffa> Rippsy: ah ok, was hoping there was an option, thanks
15:52:48  <Rippsy> i can't find where it is jazzy
15:52:50  <Rippsy> but i know its there
15:53:54  <Wezz6400> maybe I should find a server with some nice ppl and play there also
15:54:11  <Rippsy> I'd say jion mine, but its 70 years in and a bit.. global corp dominated at mo
15:54:19  <Rippsy> although I don't know how im gonna get ahead of green again
15:55:22  <Wezz6400> Well I'm kinda stubborn when it comes to building style lol
15:55:33  <Rippsy> Mines not coop ;)
15:55:37  <Rippsy> and elaborate on 'sturbborn;
15:55:38  <Rippsy> :P
15:56:19  <Wezz6400> well, I have this kinda weird mix between optimal efficiency and a liking for realism
15:57:40  <skidd13> KUDr: (pt->QueryTime() / (pt->QueryFrequency() / 1000) should return the real time in ms?
15:58:04  <skidd13> ·CPerformanceTimer *pt = new CPerformanceTimer;
15:59:51  <skidd13> or should I use the more direct version _rdtsc() / 22000000
16:13:20  <Rubidium> rdtsc returns the number of cpu cycles that have passed (IIRC)
16:16:10  <skidd13> _rdtsc() is used at the CPerformanceTimer. AFAICS
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16:17:49  <Rubidium> In the x86 assembly language, the RDTSC instruction is a mnemonic for read time stamp counter. The instruction returns a 64-bit value in registers EDX:EAX that represents the count of ticks from processor reset
16:20:14  <KUDr> skidd13: no
16:20:20  <KUDr> it is not in ms
16:20:35  <skidd13> ??
16:20:48  <Phazorx> i wonder if it overflows
16:20:55  <KUDr> it is no tuned to mu cpu clock (2.2 GHz) and gives us
16:21:01  <KUDr> i think
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16:21:25  <Phazorx> and wether it is affected by multiple cores
16:21:35  <KUDr> it doesn't overflow
16:21:49  <KUDr> and it needs to have cores in sync
16:21:57  <KUDr> or run on one core only
16:22:12  <skidd13> Hmm, and how do I get real time now? Cause (_rdtsc() / 2200000) seems to work.
16:22:12  <KUDr> as it is now
16:22:14  <Phazorx> KUDr: i have servers with chipkill and hot replace
16:22:25  <Phazorx> how arwe these will be ever in sync?
16:22:57  <KUDr> it is by definition in sync (M$)
16:23:06  <KUDr> but it is not always true
16:23:09  <Rubidium> _rdtsc should NOT be used for anything that roughly needs to be in seconds/milliseconds/whatsoever time constant
16:23:24  <KUDr> true
16:23:24  <Phazorx> skidd13: quarz is never that precise
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16:23:37  <Rubidium> as the rate _rdtsc progresses can change (SpeedStep, Cool'n'Quiet)
16:23:44  <skidd13> Phazorx: lol true
16:23:47  <KUDr> exactly
16:24:03  <Rubidium> it can even go backward (going to another core that has been speedstepped down for a while, resuming after hibernation
16:24:27  <skidd13> So CPerformanceTimer is not the right code to work with. :(
16:24:27  <KUDr> you should use QuryPerformanceCounter()/QueryPerformanceFrequency()
16:24:46  <Phazorx> i wonder if it is even reliable for profiling in that case
16:24:57  <KUDr> current CPerformanceCounter as it is is not the right one
16:25:09  <KUDr> needs to be changed little bit
16:25:47  <KUDr> Phazorx: depends on your HW
16:26:13  <KUDr> if you set afinity to one core and don't change CPU clock then yes
16:26:17  <Rubidium> KUDr: those QueryPerformance thingies won't work either as they are windows only
16:26:17  <Phazorx> KUDr: exactly... profiling should depend on code
16:26:46  <KUDr> Rubidium: it works (but must be made as platform specific)
16:26:50  <Rubidium> _rdtsc is good for profiling as long as it stays on the same core
16:26:54  <Phazorx> i mean the only difference factor with prefixed randoms whould be code
16:27:55  <Phazorx> Rubidium: correct, but i dont think that is guaranteed accros the board on diff systems/oses
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16:28:22  <KUDr> you need platform specific implementation anyway
16:28:38  <Rubidium> Phazorx: it doesn't work on non-x86 derivative computers (I guess)
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16:30:05  <Phazorx> Rubidium: hmm... there are x86 arch machines with flexible CPU count, different frequencies per cpu and abbility to reassign affinity
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16:30:24  <KUDr> there is already something what looks like multi platfom implementation: [16:32:35] <glx> int64 GetTS()
16:31:19  <Rubidium> Phazorx: it is counted in cpu cycles, so whether you run it at 10 GHz or 5 Hz, it will always return the same amount for the same code (when we are ignoring things like time slices etc)
16:31:19  <KUDr> Phazorx: it was used for measuring yapf rounds (max few miliseconds)
16:31:44  <KUDr> for my machine where cores don't change
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16:32:19  <KUDr> i am not so good to be able to bring totally precise multiplatform implementation
16:33:09  <Rubidium> I'd say: let the video backend return some number that represents milliseconds in some way
16:33:12  <Phazorx> Rubidium: it is based on polling CPU registerd, when CPU affinity is not fixed (and it might even be based of diffrent quarz) you might get something totally different from expected
16:33:15  <Rubidium> they need to return it anyway
16:33:37  <Rubidium> Phazorx: what has quarz to do with rdtsc?
16:33:39  <Phazorx> KUDr: i mean in a long run
16:34:02  <Phazorx> Rubidium: nothing to do with cycles agreed
16:34:28  <skidd13> what about (_rdtsc() / (CLOCKS_PER_SEC / 1000)) , (true still rdtsc)
16:35:17  <skidd13> The question is now how CLOCKS_PER_SEC is managed
16:35:30  <Rubidium> skidd13: you do not know CLOCKS_PER_SEC
16:35:34  <Phazorx> offtopic: are autoreplace+MP desyncs somewhere in bugtrack already?
16:35:34  <Rubidium> it is not constant
16:36:30  <Rubidium> Phazorx: not that I'm aware of, but I haven't looked at it today
16:36:37  <Phazorx> that's not todays
16:36:45  <Phazorx> been going on for a while
16:37:26  <Phazorx> and btw: this is really annoying, not sure if anything can be done tho
16:37:52  <Belugas> DaleStan, to your knowledge, can an industry tile type be used for two (or more) industry types?
16:38:33  <Belugas> "can" as in specs does not say anything about it, but it is a possiblity
16:38:59  <Belugas> and not as in "standard game", of course
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16:39:21  <Rubidium> Phazorx: it's CS' way to balance the system and still use DistanceManhattan to determine the distance between stations; it was not intended to make long diagonal pieces of track anyway
16:40:03  <Phazorx> well i can deal with things i dont see such as manhatta for price calculation
16:40:21  <Phazorx> but growing/shrinking trains seem more of a problem to me
16:41:11  <Phazorx> however, i dont see an issue with standartizing all distance calculation to same kind of idea... cuz currently there are 3 (at least) different ways to meausre distance diagonally
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16:43:50  <skidd13> getrusage() is common for unix AFAIR but also only process specific again :(
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16:44:23  <Rubidium> skidd13: as I said, make the video backends return some value that gives you milliseconds from some epoch
16:44:26  <Phazorx> hmm... is there logic behind manhattan distace for station to station distance other than "maches style for square tile based game, with mostly perpendicular paths" ?
16:44:45  <Rubidium> as they already have such functions, so you can easily make them available from the outside
16:45:09  <Rubidium> yes, sqrt is expensive
16:45:24  <Phazorx> good point
16:45:30  <DaleStan> mul isn't the cheapest either.
16:45:35  <Phazorx> but does distance between station changes often?
16:46:18  <DaleStan> You want to cache the distances between every single pair of thousands of stations?
16:46:28  <Phazorx> thousands?
16:46:34  <DaleStan> Belugas: I believe that it is possible to use one tile in multiple industries.
16:47:07  <Phazorx> DaleStan: well yes i guess, point being if something is more or less static and expensive to calculate it is a subject to cache
16:47:10  <JazzyJaffa> You would only need to cache the distances that are used, it can't be more than a few hundred
16:47:26  <DaleStan> Possibly thousands. TTD sets a limit of 250, and that's pretty easy to achieve on a 256x256 map. On a 512x512, 1000 shouldn't any harder.
16:47:58  <JazzyJaffa> Its basically the number or routes the player had built
16:48:00  <Phazorx> DaleStan: i had large games with ~300 stations, all served by multiple vehicles
16:48:23  <Phazorx> CPU is killed by pf in that case
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16:49:30  <Phazorx> anyway it is cachable, how much to be stored - depends on implementation, associated with routes it can be quite manageable
16:50:22  <Phazorx> but that wuld still be lesser concern - if manhattan is still used for price calculation it wwould only disadvantage RVs and ships somewhat
16:50:31  <Belugas> thanks DaleStan
16:51:12  <DaleStan> I'm afraid I can't tell you if or where it's ever been done, though.
16:51:33  <Rubidium> Phazorx: generally one does not even try to optimize something that takes like 0.001% of the CPU time so it takes 0.0005%. Nobody notices and the code gets more complex than necessary
16:52:28  <Belugas> DaleStan: no it's ok.  I was hoping to put the industry type in the industry tile type, in order to accelerate some vars calculations.  I can do without it
16:53:04  <Rubidium> and yes, mul is not cheap, but is getting something from a cache that is (likely) swapped out of the CPU's closest caches faster?
16:53:15  <Rubidium> s/faster/cheaper/
16:55:41  <KUDr> Phazorx: pf's don't calculate distance from tation to station but from any tile to target station << how would you cache that one?
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16:56:33  <Rubidium> he just wants to make a 2^22 by 2^22 mapping of distance ;)
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16:56:52  <KUDr> :) this would be much more expensive
16:57:56  <KUDr> only what we would loose in lower CHR would make it slower (don't counting time needed to find the cached distance)
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17:01:34  <Priski> smallmap zoom project seems to be on nice roll today also :)
17:02:24  <NukeBuster> We're on it :)
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17:02:46  <hylje> whats that
17:02:50  <Priski> keep up the good work :)
17:03:11  <Priski> FS#54
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17:05:19  <Phazorx> KUDr: are PF using same analysis as cost calculator?
17:05:36  <KUDr> analysis?
17:05:44  <Phazorx> manhattan distance ?
17:05:49  <Phazorx> cost to go diagonally is 2 ?
17:05:52  <KUDr> and what cost calculator you mean?
17:06:18  <Phazorx> KUDr: value of delivery upon arrival to destination'
17:06:20  <KUDr> diag = 100, non-diag = 70
17:06:44  <Phazorx> kudr so that has nothing to do with sqrt then
17:06:51  <Phazorx> which was that Rubidium was talking about
17:06:52  <KUDr> no
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17:07:30  <Phazorx> it's kinda inetresting tho... this is 4th way to calculate distance used in game :)
17:07:31  <KUDr> no sqrt is needed (train can't fly directly to the destination - it must use tracks)
17:07:45  <hylje> really?
17:07:49  <Phazorx> yeah i definately know that
17:08:06  <KUDr> maybe real trains can but not here in this game
17:08:30  <Rubidium> lets make an improved maglev that does not need tracks
17:08:33  <hylje> :o
17:08:42  <KUDr> so we should invent fifth one!
17:08:53  <Rubidium> oh, no... we already got that one. They're called planes
17:08:56  <hylje> articulated planes
17:09:07  <hylje> we dont have articulated planes
17:09:13  <Phazorx> Rubidium: back to subject - is it possibel to stop trains from growing/shrinking in more or less weasy way, by modifying distace/speed/acceleration part for diagonals ?
17:09:29  <Rubidium> Phazorx: I got no idea
17:09:34  <Phazorx> :(
17:09:49  <hylje> Rubidium: articulated planes!
17:09:57  <hylje> thatd be beyond silly
17:10:00  <hylje> but...
17:10:05  <Phazorx> no trafficshaper for me i guess :(
17:10:12  <KUDr> i dunno if it is worth the effort to repair something what only one user complains about :)
17:10:26  <hylje> Phazorx: ohz?
17:10:37  <Phazorx> hylje: evry turn would break spacing
17:10:42  <Phazorx> and screw with intervals
17:10:52  <hylje> :o
17:10:53  <Phazorx> KUDr: i think a problem is worth the effort
17:11:27  <Phazorx> and it is matter of time till rest would catch up to the idea
17:11:43  <KUDr> :) be silent!
17:11:49  <Phazorx> it's on FS already
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17:12:00  <Phazorx> with comprehensive save to show what itreally means
17:12:24  <Phazorx> i am surprized that no one cared about that for so long
17:12:27  <KUDr> we can close it :)
17:12:37  <hylje> well
17:12:47  <Phazorx> gee thjanks, do you work for microsoft by any chance?
17:12:56  <Phazorx> that seems like their approach :)
17:12:59  <hylje> to be frank, you do optimize stuff way more than most of us
17:13:13  <Phazorx> hylje: is that a bad thing, lol ?
17:13:32  <Phazorx> look at EvsL game
17:13:39  <Phazorx> it has very nicely packed traffic
17:13:43  <Phazorx> and only 2 small turns
17:13:45  <hylje> no
17:13:47  <Phazorx> that stope whole ML
17:14:09  <Phazorx> not stop i guess - make it slower
17:14:49  <hylje> etter than nothing
17:15:00  <hylje> doubled turns :D
17:15:03  <Phazorx> for time being we might have to do double turns
17:15:04  <Phazorx> lol
17:15:18  <Phazorx> that is beyond silly tho
17:15:26  <hylje> but awesome
17:15:35  <Phazorx> but for TLs more that like 7 it is probably a must
17:16:11  <Phazorx> hylje: honestly - i think optimization is most interesting and challenging part
17:16:41  <hylje> yes
17:16:42  <Phazorx> i enjoyed using some PS save, and by making small changes increase capacity by 10-15%
17:17:03  <hylje> but i dont do it to the max
17:17:10  <hylje> in good and bad
17:17:21  <hylje> i dont like bumping into engine limits
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17:20:53  <Phazorx> that's how you learn about engine problems :)
17:20:58  <Phazorx> and pushing the limtis is fun
17:21:55  <Tlustoch> Do you guys ever play the game? Or you just write the code??
17:22:45  <Prof_Frink> Tlustoch: They play the game in their heads, Matrix-style
17:23:45  <Priski> "Wellcome to the matrix, Neo"
17:24:26  <Rubidium> follow the WhiteRabbit
17:24:45  <hylje> Welcome to Rivendell, mister Anderson
17:25:00  <Tlustoch> You should play the game online to learn new things.
17:25:11  <Priski> "miisteer Anderrsson"
17:25:11  <Priski> :D
17:26:16  <Priski> damn, now that part plays in my head over and over again, like a lame tune from radio
17:26:51  <hylje> you're welcome
17:28:15  <Priski> maybe I should watch that triology again sometimes
17:28:29  <Priski> non-stop of course
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17:32:13  <Belugas> personnaly, i don't play online, my little available time is spent on coding and testing my own stuff
17:44:28  <Smoovious> Priski...  could be worse... every time TrueBrain comes in and says "hi there", it comes across as the clip of it from the beginning of a Peter Gabriel song
17:45:58  <Wezz6400> hmm, where is that setting where you can determine how long your trains should wait for red signals?
17:49:24  <Priski> im guessing somwhere yapf section in openttd.cfg ?
17:49:38  <Wezz6400> hmm, I'll look into that
17:49:43  <TrueBrain> hi there
17:50:34  <hylje> i didnt expect that
17:51:18  <Wezz6400> there's a lot of stuff in there that ends with _penalty but I don't think that's it
17:51:26  <Prof_Frink> Priski: "Trilogy"? There was only one film!
17:51:45  <hylje> reloaded, revolutions
17:52:20  <Prof_Frink> Those were fils with similar names and plotlines, but hardly deserve to be called "sequels"
17:52:37  <Wezz6400> ah found it, it's in the patches section
17:52:39  <hylje> timeline
17:52:40  <TrueBrain> funny, the creator of those movies claims something else...
17:52:58  <Prof_Frink> In much the same way, there are only 3 Star Wars films
17:53:42  <Wezz6400> Prof_Frink indeed
17:53:47  <TrueBrain> I wonder what I am going to do today...
17:54:49  <Prof_Frink> TrueBrain: The same thing you do every day
17:54:57  <TrueBrain> Where is my Pinky...
17:55:51  *** Prof_Frink is now known as TruePinky
17:55:58  <TruePinky> Here I am, TrueBrain!
17:56:20  <TrueBrain> good
17:56:22  *** TruePinky is now known as Prof_Frink
17:56:40  <Rubidium> TrueBrain: you should start writing TriremeAI ;)
17:56:49  <TrueBrain> Rubidium: haha :) Nice ;)
17:57:03  <Prof_Frink> Or StevensonAI
17:57:04  <TrueBrain> doing too much NoAI work makes you kind of sick of APIs :p
17:57:10  <Prof_Frink> Or FordAI
17:57:42  <Prof_Frink> Although I imagine StevensonAI will be the last to be done
17:59:14  <TrueBrain> Rubidium: the main problem with it all is, that we need a simple PF that checks if 2 tiles can be connected over water
18:03:26  <JazzyJaffa> TrueBrain: The region pf I am doing does this
18:03:33  <Rubidium> just flood ;)
18:03:51  <TrueBrain> hmm, it indeed is very simple and easy to make a PF which checks this :)
18:04:00  <TrueBrain> just it will consume a lot of memory :p
18:04:12  <Prof_Frink> TrueBrain: Do intraurban busses then
18:04:26  <TrueBrain> Prof_Frink: long done
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18:05:24  <Wezz6400> hmm that's odd, the trains don't seam to listen to the wait_twoway_signal = 255 in my openttd.cfg
18:05:43  <Phazorx> that's a EOL definition isnt it ?
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18:05:58  <Belugas> you did not said please, maybe :)
18:06:18  <Wezz6400> Phazorx what do you mean by that
18:06:41  <Wezz6400> I'm playing 0.5.2 btw
18:06:44  <Phazorx> KUDr can descibe that better but yapf sees dual one as EOL
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18:07:26  <Wezz6400> but the oneway should work?
18:07:51  <Phazorx> i dont have time atm to get into that argument but ask KUDr and define "work"
18:08:08  <Wezz6400> well
18:08:29  <Wezz6400> I suspected that if I set it to 255 trains should wait indefinatly, as the wiki states that
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18:20:53  <Tlustoch> what is SLOPE_STEEP ?
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18:22:45  <JazzyJaffa> Tlustoch: Its where a tile has one corner that is two "units" above the base - a steep slope
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18:26:07  <Tlustoch> How do I easily check correct slopes - if I can build rail from one square to another?
18:26:24  <simon444> hi
18:26:32  <simon444> long time no play
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18:26:50  <simon444> there use to be a build that included patches
18:27:00  <simon444> it wasn't the nightly but similar
18:27:09  <simon444> anyone remember it?
18:27:12  <Belugas> miniIN
18:28:13  <simon444> link?
18:28:35  <Belugas> nope, not active anymore. Since december, i think
18:29:08  <simon444> oh
18:29:10  <Digitalfox_Desktop> simon444: Your best choise in this case would be CrisIN
18:29:12  <simon444> what replaces it?
18:29:13  <Digitalfox_Desktop>
18:29:24  <JazzyJaffa> Tlustoch - search for _valid_tileh_slopes, thats a starting point you have to change things according to build on slopes etc.
18:29:53  <JazzyJaffa> Theres some code in my experimental routeplanner which does that
18:30:13  <Belugas> simon444, nothing replaces it,  not in the nightly way.
18:30:25  <Belugas> ChrisIN would be your only option
18:30:47  <simon444> well that replaces it
18:32:03  <simon444> I am a bit confused about downloading it
18:32:15  <simon444> is there a linux build or do I compile it my self
18:32:28  <simon444> I download from: ?
18:33:41  <Smoovious> there is no linux build... although, one of the players was asking about making one... read the thread to find out what's going on with ChrisIN
18:34:02  <Digitalfox_Desktop> Or like Smoovious posted in the topic join irc://
18:34:31  <Smoovious> nah, I'm the o nly one in there r ight now... Chris is o ut of town... and I'm g  oing to bed in a few
18:35:08  <Digitalfox_Desktop> oh.. eh eh true just check it..
18:42:38  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truelight * r10674 /branches/noai/src/ai/api/ai_vehicle.hpp.sq: [NoAI] -Fix: AIVehicle SQ file was out-dated
18:43:37  <simon444> w00t
18:43:45  <simon444> downloaded the nightly
18:44:05  <simon444> are nightly semi-stable like how they use to be
18:44:35  <Smoovious> sometimes
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18:46:34  <Eddi|zuHause2> afaik nightly currently has a problem with signals and trains in tunnels/bridges
18:46:48  <simon444> nooo :(
18:47:10  <Eddi|zuHause2> signals not turning red and trains crashing
18:47:12  <simon444> Eddi|zuHause2, you know of any playable nightly that I can download
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18:47:16  <simon444> shiiit
18:47:22  <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause2: in very rare cases, yes
18:47:23  <simon444> that is not playable
18:47:32  <simon444> I just wasted a download :(
18:47:41  <Wezz6400|2> well it's nightly for a reason
18:47:50  <Belugas> that IS playable, but may cause problems on VERY RARE OCASIONS
18:47:59  <simon444> oh
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18:48:04  <TrueBrain> don't build bridges directly connected to stations
18:48:08  <TrueBrain> and minor stuff like that
18:48:34  <simon444> Eddi|zuHause2 said there is a major problem with signals not being usable at all
18:48:42  <TrueBrain> he is overreacting
18:48:51  <Eddi|zuHause2> i did not say "major"
18:49:16  <TrueBrain> see it as an extra disaster :)
18:49:55  <Eddi|zuHause2> compared with PBS, this one is probably minimal :p
18:51:11  <simon444> dude I use signals in the crazy numbers
18:51:21  <simon444> I only know how to make money with signals!
18:51:36  <simon444> you are under reacting for this bug!
18:51:42  <simon444> it is a major flaw!
18:51:53  <Wezz6400> pbs was buggy, though I found the fact that you needed to use pbs signals at the end of a pbs block too to be more annoying tbh
18:52:01  <Eddi|zuHause2> you have not even experienced it, how can you say it's major?
18:52:18  <TrueBrain> simon444: take a pill or something
18:52:35  <Prof_Frink> and enable autosave
18:53:01  <simon444> TrueBrain, I am out of coca cola!
18:53:10  <simon444> I have a 2 liter bottle in front of me
18:53:15  <TrueBrain> poor boy
18:53:21  <simon444> TOTALLY empty
18:53:23  <Prof_Frink> Oh dear.
18:53:26  <TrueBrain> anyway, very very little chance you notice the bug at all
18:53:35  <Prof_Frink> A cokehead suffering withdrawal...
18:53:45  <simon444> TrueBrain, but I use signals!
18:53:53  <TrueBrain> ... omg...
18:54:09  <TrueBrain> simon444: Open Word, New Document
18:54:24  <Smoovious> everyone uses signals
18:54:27  <TrueBrain> and hit Print
18:54:29  <TrueBrain> put it in front of you
18:54:40  <Wezz6400> stick it on the 2l bottle
18:54:42  <simon444> wtf
18:54:43  <Prof_Frink> Or ooowriter if you're that way inclined
18:54:50  <simon444> so is a bug or not?
18:54:54  <TrueBrain> Prof_Frink: oowriter, not ooowriter :p
18:55:09  <Prof_Frink> TrueBrain: oo<tab><tab>
18:55:10  <Smoovious> it is a bug... it just isn't wig-out-worthy
18:55:18  <TrueBrain> simon444: Windows has bugs too, does it make Windows unusable?
18:55:21  <eQualizer> Does YAPF work with boats?
18:55:22  <TrueBrain> (okay, it does, but okay :p)
18:55:38  <Prof_Frink> TrueBrain: It's not the bugs that make Windows unusable
18:55:42  <Prof_Frink> It's the features
18:55:46  <TrueBrain> haha, good point :)
18:55:53  <simon444> TrueBrain, if Windows had a bug that whenever you opened the start menu you had to reboot, yes.
18:56:03  <TrueBrain> simon444: you have to reboot after moving the mouse!
18:56:12  <Eddi|zuHause2> eQualizer: it is recommended not to use, because of cpu load
18:56:19  <TrueBrain> anyway, I say again, for the very last time: the chance of you hitting the bug, is VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY slim
18:56:46  <eQualizer> Eddi|zuHause2: Is it noticeable?
18:56:46  <simon444> TrueBrain, but if I use signals I am living the bug.
18:56:55  <TrueBrain> ..... does anyone mind if I kick this dude?
18:56:56  <TrueBrain> :(
18:57:02  <simon444> anyway I want to start up openttd
18:57:09  <simon444> lets see how things go
18:57:13  <Eddi|zuHause2> eQualizer: yes, even few ships drive it to 100% cpu
18:57:45  <Wezz6400> TrueBrain: no
18:58:03  <Wezz6400> in fact I would've kicked him earlier if I were you ;)
18:58:13  <TrueBrain> I am addicted to kicking
18:58:17  <TrueBrain> so I try to do it less often :)
18:58:43  <Wezz6400> heh
18:58:47  <Eddi|zuHause2> if i'd try to avoid all things i'm addicted to... :p
18:58:57  <TrueBrain> you wouldn't be online :)
18:59:05  <Wezz6400> about me and kicking, well let's just say people generally consider it a very bad idea to give me @ :+
18:59:07  <Eddi|zuHause2> something like that :p
18:59:16  <TrueBrain> @op Wezz6400
18:59:18  *** mode/#openttd [+o Wezz6400] by DorpsGek
18:59:18  <TrueBrain> :p
18:59:20  <TrueBrain> @deop Wezz6400
18:59:21  *** mode/#openttd [-o Wezz6400] by DorpsGek
18:59:36  <Wezz6400> lol
18:59:58  <Wezz6400> You're lucky that I was looking at another channel tbh :P
19:01:15  <Rippsy> Wow, never had a world recession before :o
19:01:16  <Rippsy> that hurt.
19:01:20  <Prof_Frink> Wezz6400: You need a script to unleash hell whenever you're opped
19:01:31  <eQualizer> Is the new AI better than the old one?
19:01:39  <Wezz6400> Prof_Frink lol that would be very nasty
19:01:43  <eQualizer> Competitor AI I mean.
19:01:44  <TrueBrain> depends on your definition of 'better' :)
19:01:48  <Prof_Frink> No AI is better than the old one.
19:01:55  <simon444> do I need flags.grf in the nightly?
19:02:16  <Prof_Frink> s/ // ;)
19:02:41  <Eddi|zuHause2> very different meaning :p
19:03:19  <Eddi|zuHause2> simon444: you need all grfs that were in the nightly package
19:03:21  <eQualizer> Well, how is it different?
19:03:27  * Rubidium wonders how someone could unleash hell; we can always kick the person doing so
19:03:28  <Eddi|zuHause2> and the ones from the TTD cd
19:03:48  <simon444> I thought my window was about to fall over but I realize the sound was recorded with the music I listening to using headphones
19:03:50  <simon444> EVIL
19:04:00  <simon444> Eddi|zuHause2, well is it part of the ttd cd?
19:04:03  <simon444> I don't know
19:04:13  <simon444> it has been a while since i have played
19:04:37  <Eddi|zuHause2> no, the ones from the TTD cd are called trg*.grf
19:04:41  <simon444> also group.grf
19:04:43  <Eddi|zuHause2> or something
19:04:46  <simon444> okay then thanks
19:04:55  <simon444> Eddi|zuHause2, just the trg* ?
19:05:15  <Eddi|zuHause2> no, also
19:05:30  <simon444> okay then
19:05:33  <simon444> lets try this out
19:05:36  <simon444> wooot!
19:05:48  <Wezz6400> ffs that stuff is all in the readme and all over the wiki
19:05:48  <Prof_Frink> Rubidium: Something along the lines of "for i in *; do /kb $i; done"
19:05:59  <simon444> OMG
19:06:01  <TrueBrain> Prof_Frink: we always have chanserv
19:06:05  <simon444> what are those sounds!
19:06:10  <simon444> wow
19:06:19  <simon444> that is some nice sound effects you have !!!
19:06:23  <simon444> really WOW
19:06:27  <simon444> WOWOWOW
19:06:31  <simon444> great work
19:06:36  <simon444> now I am going to play
19:06:43  <simon444> so you wont hear from me any more
19:06:46  <Prof_Frink> peter1138! Newsounds!
19:06:47  <Wezz6400> good
19:06:58  <Eddi|zuHause2> oldsounds!!
19:07:05  <Prof_Frink> ...unless the signals fail
19:07:49  <Wezz6400> if (user == simon444) { signal.set(green); } (yeah that is pseudo :P)
19:08:05  <Wezz6400> hmm pointless {} shame on me
19:08:52  <Eddi|zuHause2> it's even against coding style!!
19:09:01  <simon444> I think you guys deserve a donation!
19:09:21  <Wezz6400> Eddi|zuHause2 I don't even know c/c++ :P
19:09:52  <Eddi|zuHause2> that is not the issue :p
19:09:59  <Wezz6400> rofl
19:10:17  <Wezz6400> I'm gonna start with it tomorrow or thursday though ;)
19:11:48  <KUDr> [20:05:22] <Wezz6400> hmm that's odd, the trains don't seam to listen to the wait_twoway_signal = 255 in my openttd.cfg << some problems with YAPF?
19:12:29  <simon444> just going to get another bottle of carbonated apple juice then starting to make my billions
19:12:51  <simon444> also getting some biscuits
19:12:55  <simon444> can't play without those
19:12:59  <Wezz6400> KUDr I don't think so
19:13:06  <simon444> the doctor wont let because I am underweight :(
19:13:17  <Wezz6400> at first I made a mistake so the config file wasn't changed
19:13:27  <KUDr> ahh
19:13:28  <KUDr> ok
19:13:29  <Wezz6400> secondly, the console tells me the max value is 100, instead of 255 as the wiki stated
19:13:30  <simon444> I am also forced to have pizza every week
19:16:00  <simon444> meh
19:16:09  <simon444> the new bottle is not so carbonated
19:16:19  <simon444> doesn't have any fizz
19:16:35  <simon444> I hate this reduce carbon movement
19:17:00  <simon444> they are causing my mental problems to become worse
19:17:09  <simon444> plus they are going to freeze the world
19:17:17  <Belugas> play toyland, fizzy stuff there...
19:18:22  <simon444> it is no longer okay for cows to emit gasses. Without them emiting it our planet is going to freeze after a drastic c02 reducation after 10 years.
19:18:34  <Rippsy> I almost feel guilty
19:18:35  <simon444> here I go
19:18:35  <Rippsy> but its so funn
19:18:44  <Rippsy> I've spent the last 10 years on my server building to catchup with a player
19:18:45  * simon444 clicks new game
19:18:49  <Rippsy> and we had a world recession
19:18:52  <Rippsy> and his entire network has crashed
19:19:09  <Wezz6400> lol, how bad is it?
19:19:12  <Rippsy> well
19:19:16  <Rippsy> his profit has gone from 80mill
19:19:21  <Rippsy> to 0,000,000
19:19:22  <Rippsy> so..
19:19:31  <Wezz6400> whoa
19:19:35  <Rippsy> I'd feel guilty
19:19:38  <Rippsy> but its funny as fuck
19:19:41  <Rippsy> and it wasn't my fault
19:19:53  <Rippsy> I don't even know where to start to fix it
19:20:02  <Wezz6400> wth happened, major lockup due to output going down a lot?
19:20:05  <Rippsy> yea
19:20:07  <Rippsy> output went down
19:20:13  <Rippsy> all the trains lost there sync due to picup times
19:20:21  <Rippsy> he has a lot of very big trains
19:20:25  <Rippsy> talking 20carrages etc
19:20:29  <Rippsy> so of course they got backed up in stations
19:20:32  <Rippsy> and it just had a chain effect
19:20:41  <Wezz6400> wow
19:20:48  <Rippsy> He probably has bout 40million worth of cargo just sitting on ilnes
19:20:50  <Rippsy> *lines
19:20:52  <Rippsy> but its all stationary
19:21:05  <TrueBrain> short to say: use small trains :)
19:21:10  <Wezz6400> not enough room to build tracks where trains can wait I guess
19:21:19  <Rippsy> he didn't build proper waiting area's at al
19:21:20  <Rippsy> all
19:21:20  <TrueBrain> and of course, use timetable :)
19:21:21  <Rippsy> thats just it
19:21:29  <Rippsy> TrueBrain, timetable wouldn't save this mess
19:21:30  <Rippsy> he just got owned :D
19:21:38  <Wezz6400> TrueBrain but I love seeing long trains run
19:21:39  <TrueBrain> it would have, the trains will continue to go from a to b
19:21:40  <Wezz6400> ;)
19:21:43  <TrueBrain> of course the profit would collapse
19:21:52  <TrueBrain> but at least there would be some money :)
19:21:59  <Rippsy> TrueBrain, they are trying to get from A to B
19:22:03  <Rippsy> but by the time the timetable had rolled
19:22:07  <Rippsy> It was already too late
19:22:16  <Rippsy> you'd have to see the gridlock to fully apprechiate how bad it is
19:22:28  <Rippsy> he has 65 trains in ONE gridlock.
19:22:35  <TrueBrain> make a save from before and after
19:22:38  <TrueBrain> and send us :)
19:22:41  <Rippsy> I can't do a before
19:22:42  <TrueBrain> or better: make a screenshot :p
19:22:44  <Rippsy> I can do a now
19:23:07  <Wezz6400> hmm I'd love to be able to create a full schedule in openttd, but I suppose that's a lot of work, if possible at all lol
19:23:22  <Rippsy> its possible :)
19:23:24  <Rippsy> tricky but possible
19:23:31  <Wezz6400> Rippsy does your server allow observers?
19:23:42  <Rippsy> yup
19:23:43  <Rippsy> #Rippsy
19:23:53  <Rippsy> its on nightly 10663 at mo
19:24:07  <Wezz6400> #Rippsy?
19:24:32  <Rippsy> the beginning of the name of the server :)
19:24:41  <Wezz6400> ah :)
19:24:51  <Rippsy>
19:25:05  <TrueBrain> screenshot, screenshot, screenshot!
19:25:10  <Wezz6400> so you consider nightlies to be stable enough for a server huh?
19:25:33  <TrueBrain> Wezz6400: and it is :)
19:25:36  <Rippsy> Wezz6400, yes i do
19:25:37  <Rippsy> :)
19:25:40  <Rippsy> I always upgrade a day late
19:25:44  <Rippsy> after checking the forums for
19:25:47  <Rippsy> "OMFG ITS EXPLOADED"
19:25:51  <Rippsy> and keep a backup save pre-nightly
19:25:51  <Rippsy> so
19:25:53  <Rippsy> its been fine so far
19:26:01  <Rippsy> urm just uploading screenshot now
19:26:30  <TrueBrain> hurry!!! My favorite TV shows almost begins :)
19:26:46  <Belugas> the Muppets?
19:26:53  <Belugas> Thomas the Train?
19:27:02  <Rippsy> lol
19:27:02  <Rippsy> :D
19:27:06  <Rippsy> its going its going
19:27:08  <TrueBrain> Belugas: ssttt, you weren't going to tell that to anyone :(
19:27:12  <Wezz6400> hmm
19:27:19  <Belugas> oups....
19:27:26  * Belugas hugs TrueBrain
19:27:27  <Belugas> sorry
19:27:34  <TrueBrain> :)
19:27:36  <TrueBrain> prrrttt
19:27:37  <Wezz6400> law and order?
19:27:53  <Wezz6400> hmm no that's not on soon
19:27:58  <simon444> how do I get more cities and less small towns?
19:27:58  <Wezz6400> stupid site
19:28:14  <simon444> do I choose at start up less towns?
19:28:34  <simon444> No. of towns : Very Low?
19:28:45  * TrueBrain thinks Rippsy is too slow
19:28:49  <Rippsy> im nearly ther!
19:28:52  <Rippsy> imageshacks being shite
19:28:54  <TrueBrain> IT IS STARTED!
19:28:56  <TrueBrain> you are SLOW!
19:28:56  <TrueBrain> :p
19:29:05  <TrueBrain> pretty women!
19:29:06  <TrueBrain> prrrtttt
19:29:12  <Rippsy>
19:29:13  <Rippsy> Shoulcwork
19:29:14  <Rippsy> i think
19:29:44  <TrueBrain> hahahahaha, nice network :p
19:29:46  <Rippsy> :D
19:29:49  <TrueBrain> but see, Rippsy, timetable would have helped
19:29:51  <Rippsy> As I said.. gridlock :D
19:29:55  <TrueBrain> as trains would just have kept on going
19:30:01  <TrueBrain> (instead of jamming the network)
19:30:03  <Rippsy> No, because they are locked in
19:30:04  <Wezz6400> downloading map again
19:30:09  <Rippsy> by trains jamming other trains into sidelines
19:30:12  <simon444>  hmmm
19:30:23  <TrueBrain> Rippsy: if it would have used timetables from the beginning, the problem would not have been there :)
19:30:31  <simon444> did my messages get through or am I having network problems
19:30:44  <TrueBrain> simon444: no, we all agreed to ignore you
19:30:46  <Rippsy> possibly brian :P
19:30:47  <TrueBrain> much more fun if you ask me
19:30:58  <Wezz6400> TrueBrain wouldn't trains be waiting at stations?
19:31:00  <TrueBrain> Rippsy: :) It really is the solution, had those problems enough times :)
19:31:12  <TrueBrain> Wezz6400: the idea of timetable is, that the trains leave anyway after a while
19:31:23  <simon444> TrueBrain, hu why?
19:31:33  <Wezz6400> ah I see
19:31:40  <Wezz6400> I got the wrong idea from the wiki I guess
19:34:05  <simon444> TrueBrain, are you a developer?
19:34:28  <Belugas> right now, he's a TV Listener :D
19:34:41  <TrueBrain> and I hate people highlighting me while doing so :p
19:35:00  <Belugas> ho.... so tempting :D
19:35:22  <TrueBrain> :) You suprise me Belugas, I expected you just would do it :)
19:35:33  * TrueBrain hugs simon444, remember we do love you :)
19:35:41  <Belugas> i respect you, from time to time :)
19:35:42  <TrueBrain> (you play a version of TT, so we love you)
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19:36:10  <simon444> okay.......................
19:36:22  * simon444 fly a plane into two towers
19:36:38  <TrueBrain> @kick simon444 Now that was not funny
19:36:39  *** simon444 was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [Now that was not funny]
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19:36:56  <simon444> shit I forgot there is white van outside my home
19:37:16  <TrueBrain> don't make such bad jokes, next time will be a ban
19:37:29  <simon444> that wasn't a joke
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19:37:36  <simon444> that was not english
19:37:41  <TrueBrain> commercials, you got to love them
19:37:53  <TrueBrain> 7 minutes the serie started, yeah, commercial! WHOHO!
19:38:02  <TrueBrain> oh well, something has to pay for it :)
19:38:13  <Wezz6400> TrueBrain what channel?
19:38:57  * Prof_Frink BBCs at TrueBrain
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19:39:30  <TrueBrain> Wezz6400: walk all the channels and find which one has a commercial
19:39:35  <TrueBrain> then I tell you when it starts again
19:39:40  <TrueBrain> and you still have 3 possiblities :)
19:39:49  <Wezz6400> which tells me exactly nothing
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19:40:58  <Eddi|zuHause2> they stopped pretty much all interesting series here...
19:41:10  <TrueBrain> so download a few
19:41:24  <Eddi|zuHause2> those are stopped also :p
19:41:30  <Wezz6400> yeah summer brake is bad
19:41:31  <TrueBrain> bitch to be you
19:41:38  <TrueBrain> Eureka started again :)
19:41:52  <Eddi|zuHause2> at least they show "brand new" alias season 3 here :p
19:41:53  <ln-> Eddi|zuHause2: seen battlestar galactica season 3 yet?
19:42:10  <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause2: hehe :)
19:42:21  <Eddi|zuHause2> ln-: no, because the german version did not run very well, so they stopped showing it
19:42:30  <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause2: download it
19:42:35  <Eddi|zuHause2> and i don't want to switch languages this late...
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19:42:53  <Eddi|zuHause2> they promised to continue before the year ends :p
19:42:55  <ln-> what, you like dubbing that much?
19:43:10  <TrueBrain> German people can't understand English
19:43:14  <TrueBrain> nor read German subtitles
19:43:16  <Eddi|zuHause2> dubbing isn't that bad sometimes..
19:43:16  <TrueBrain> stupid Germans
19:43:48  <Eddi|zuHause2> i watch some things in original, though
19:43:52  <ln-> Eddi|zuHause2: i kind of agree, dubbing has some advantages.
19:44:00  <ln-> but more disadvantages.
19:44:03  <TrueBrain> ah, it starts again :)
19:45:26  <ln-> does someone want me to spoil the end of season 3?
19:45:35  <Eddi|zuHause2> the main advantage about dubbed series are that i can recieve them through sattelite, and do not have to spend my (very poor) bandwidth
19:45:53  <Eddi|zuHause2> don't you dare spoil anything!
19:47:07  <ln-> may i spoil that one main character has mustache at the end of season 2?
19:47:43  <Eddi|zuHause2> hm, season 2 is so long ago, i don't even remember...
19:49:12  <ln-> but you remember president baltar, right?
19:56:58  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r10675 /trunk/src/ (5 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: unhardcode the industry types used in several locations of the source code.
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20:06:45  <TrueBrain> burp
20:08:52  <simon444> I am building a super bus company!!!
20:09:10  <simon444> it is going very good
20:09:14  <simon444> better than coal
20:11:27  <Mucht_> btw, an increased max_clients was a cool idea
20:15:24  <simon444> fuck this is big
20:15:45  <simon444> I have linked 40 towns
20:15:56  <simon444> in a huge network of buses
20:16:27  <simon444> there are so many fucking towns
20:16:31  <simon444> I set it to low
20:16:35  <simon444> why sooooo many
20:16:43  <simon444> 1024x1024
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20:18:08  <Eddi|zuHause2> there's a very low in the nightlies
20:18:21  <simon444> I think I might restart and try very low
20:18:26  <simon444> just saving in case
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20:19:41  <simon444> okay very low seems better suited for a bus/train transit
20:19:50  <simon444> buses take people to trains
20:21:23  <simon444> oh yeah very flat is not very flat
20:21:32  <simon444> is flat totally flat?
20:24:14  <ln->
20:27:44  <simon444> I lost the setting that allows me to build the new bus stations on prebuild roads
20:27:48  <simon444> where is it again
20:27:57  <simon444> I can't find it under configure patches
20:28:23  <argonel> is there a way to turn off power station smoke?
20:29:32  <simon444> err I looked so many times
20:29:40  <simon444> why can't I find it!?
20:29:58  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truelight * r10676 /branches/noai/src/ai/api/ai_object.cpp: [NoAI] -Fix: don't send DC_NO_WATER by default, it kills building docks and buoys and stuff.. just be careful now not do try anything on the water, it won't any longer fail ;)
20:31:24  <simon444> I am stupid
20:31:31  <simon444> I really look so many times
20:31:36  <simon444> and I still can't find it!
20:31:47  <simon444> TrueBrain, any help? Eddi|zuHause2 ?
20:32:37  <Eddi|zuHause2> at times like this i really wish for the kick rights...
20:33:21  <simon444> please help me
20:33:29  <simon444> I found the option last time
20:33:37  <Wezz6400> I guess @kick isn't gonna work heh
20:33:38  <simon444> but I can't find it at all
20:33:50  <glx> drive-through something
20:34:16  <Rippsy> Wezz
20:34:17  <simon444> glx, found
20:34:18  <simon444> thanks
20:34:20  <Rippsy> he's backed up again
20:34:22  <Rippsy> and i cba to fix it
20:34:26  <simon444> it is enabled
20:34:30  <simon444> wtf
20:34:33  <Wezz6400> again?
20:34:39  <simon444> guess this is a bug?
20:34:47  <TrueBrain> depends, do you define yourself as a bug?
20:34:54  <Rubidium> simon444: what is the warning it gives when you try to build?
20:35:00  <Wezz6400> he is as annoying as one TrueBrain ;)
20:35:41  <TrueBrain> I rest my case ;)
20:35:43  <simon444> Rubidium, can't build bus station
20:35:48  <simon444> must remove road first
20:35:57  <TrueBrain> simon444: you might either want to do that, or try building drive-throughs
20:36:00  <TrueBrain> just... might... help...
20:36:09  <simon444> fuck
20:36:12  <TrueBrain> no thank you
20:36:14  <simon444> it is my fualt
20:36:20  <simon444> I am fucking stupid
20:36:22  <simon444> stupid
20:36:27  <TrueBrain> can I quote you on thatone?
20:36:46  <simon444> I selected the wrong bus station
20:36:51  <simon444> stupid stupid stupid
20:37:37  <simon444> TrueBrain, no it is copyrighted
20:39:13  <Wezz6400> ok time to get going with that stupid C# tutorial
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20:42:51  <rav> hello again
20:43:11  <TrueBrain> hi rav
20:43:29  <rav> ah truebrain
20:43:36  <rav> my favorite question victim :)
20:43:51  <rav> you wouldn't happen to know where generateFileName() is specified would you?
20:44:15  <glx> misc_gui.cpp maybe
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20:44:59  <rav> I've been there
20:45:13  <rav> I only saw it call the function
20:45:31  <glx> line 1419
20:45:35  <rav> though I can be very easily convinced that that was my fault
20:45:38  <rav> ^ thanks
20:46:59  <rav>      SetDParam(0, p->index);
20:46:59  <rav>      SetDParam(1, _date);
20:47:09  <rav> is that what sets a savegame default filename?
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20:48:10  <glx> yes with STR_4004                                                        :{COMPANY}, {DATE_LONG}
20:48:24  <rav> ok, thanks :)
20:51:02  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truelight * r10677 /branches/noai/src/ai/api/ai_vehicle.cpp: [NoAI] -Fix: shadows aren't valid vehicles, so don't return true on them
20:51:23  <rav> haha, wow :)
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20:52:48  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truelight * r10678 /branches/noai/src/ai/api/ai_vehicle.cpp: [NoAI] -Fix r10677: fix it even more correctly :) (tnx Rubidium)
20:53:09  <dihedral> 0.5.3-RC2 just crashed. last savegame:
20:53:50  <glx> any message?
20:53:56  <glx> what were you doing?
20:54:10  <dihedral> i was not doing anything...
20:54:13  <dihedral> i was absent
20:54:19  <dihedral> when i came back it was down
20:54:27  <dihedral> was running in screen - so no msg's
20:54:32  <rav> down as in: server down
20:54:33  <rav> ?
20:55:29  <dihedral> down as in game crashed - not as in 'server shutdown'
20:55:35  <rav> ok..
20:55:45  <rav> just for my information :)
20:56:26  <Rubidium> dihedral: how often do you make autosaves?
20:56:42  <dihedral> think it's on a half year basis if i am not mistaken
20:56:49  <dihedral> like every 8 mins
20:58:01  <glx> doesn't crash for me
20:58:13  <glx> maybe one player did something
20:58:24  <dihedral> could well be
20:58:51  <dihedral> there aint any devisions by 0 in the sound handling stuff anymore right?
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21:05:17  <Rubidium> same here, a full year without a crash
21:05:34  <Rubidium> dihedral: can you reproduce it yourself?
21:06:05  <glx> and I think you can see the output just before the crash with screen
21:06:06  <dihedral> i shall do my best ^^
21:06:14  <dihedral> as usual :-)
21:08:43  <simon444> I have roads covering half the land
21:08:51  <simon444> w00t
21:09:14  <simon444> heh that looks cool when your 0's have dots in them
21:09:20  <dihedral> i have land covering half the water ^^
21:10:02  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truelight * r10679 /branches/noai/ (11 files in 5 dirs):
21:10:02  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: [NoAI] -Add: added AIMarine, which takes care of Ships, Docks, ...
21:10:02  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: [NoAI] -Change [API Change]: renamed FindBestAircraftVehicle to FindBestAirVehicle for naming consistency
21:10:11  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truelight * r10680 /branches/noai/projects/ (openttd.vcproj openttd_vs80.vcproj): [NoAI] -Fix r10679: forgot to update MSVC project files
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21:14:34  <simon444> dihedral, i have more
21:14:47  <simon444> 95% of water
21:17:25  <rav> truebrain: you've got to teach me how to make AIs some day :)
21:17:36  <TrueBrain> read the wiki page :)
21:17:55  <rav> you lazy... :p
21:18:08  <rav> There is no page titled "NoAI". You can create this page.
21:18:21  <rav> *found it*
21:18:23  <simon444> you can write it
21:18:31  <simon444> then you can learn it
21:18:41  <simon444> uberfun
21:19:14  <rav> yea
21:19:25  <rav> if I would have loads of time on my hands
21:20:47  <simon444> write a wiki page for how to get loads of time
21:20:56  *** dihedral [] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla [Firefox]]
21:21:15  <rav> quit your job, abandon your family and lock yourself in a room?
21:26:32  <rav> I'll see what I can do next weekend.. (basically, just sunday :D )
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21:33:06  <simon444> rav, great idea
21:33:16  <simon444> rav, you should patent that
21:33:18  <rav> no it isn't
21:33:30  <rav> but Im getting my new laptop on saturday (most likely! :) )
21:33:32  <simon444> yes it is
21:33:40  <simon444> it is worth millions
21:33:45  <rav> do it yourself if you like it
21:33:53  <rav> Im off to bed (work again tomorrow ;) )
21:33:53  <simon444> rav, I saw some really great deals on fatwallet
21:34:11  <TrueBrain> night rav
21:34:16  <simon444> rav, I can't because of prior art
21:34:24  <simon444> aka you
21:34:38  <simon444> rav, night0z
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21:34:49  <rav> I totally give up any trademark or (intelectual) copyrights on that idea
21:36:42  <Rubidium> simon444: you can still patent it in the US
21:37:50  <simon444> rav, which now invalidates any patenting it
21:37:53  <simon444> I can't
21:37:59  <simon444> you can't anymore
21:38:33  <Rubidium> simon444: you can patent stuff with prior art in the US
21:38:53  <Rubidium> heck, you can even patent an internet browser when they already exist many years
21:38:59  <simon444> yes but it will be overturned in court
21:39:01  <TrueBrain> MS does it
21:39:02  <Rubidium> as long as you are vague enough about it
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21:39:24  <glx> they check only if there are complaints
21:39:44  <Rubidium> simon444: who cares, as long as you don't take somebody to court for violating your patent, it is VERY unlikely to go to court anyway
21:39:47  <simon444> I patent a game for transporting goods and services
21:40:30  <simon444> Rubidium, no I would just license my patent to parents of slashdot readers
21:41:42  <ln-> what's the best data structure for TTD-style map?
21:41:56  <ln-> and the tracks and roads.
21:42:21  <Rubidium> best in what sense?
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21:43:46  <simon444> ln-, one patent by me
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21:49:05  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r10681 /trunk/src/ (station_cmd.cpp station_map.h): -Codechange: do not determine whether a tile is a hangar based on the graphics index to be drawn on the given tile, but do it based on the specification of the location of hangars of the airport.
21:54:56  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: richk * r10682 /branches/NewGRF_ports/ (9 files in 2 dirs):
21:54:56  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: [NewGRF_ports] -Feature: Added code to import FSM from within the newgrf, and allocate to compatible structures within Airport. Eventually, it will load to its own dedicated structures.
21:54:56  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: You can now build an aircraft in a hangar of the Commuter airport. Do not try to start the aircraft. Block handling is completely crippled atm.
21:54:56  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: opntitle.dat is disabled as existing state machines have been disabled, and it crashes. A load translator will be written later.
21:54:56  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rb_airport2.grf updated.
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21:59:27  <Rippsy> I have a factory producing 3000+ goods a month, yet when I try to get the goods I can receive non, the station is in capture range (im delivering too it at the same station) there are two other players also with stations in range who are delivering mats and getting goods on there stations.. any ideas'?
22:00:46  <Rubidium> get a higher rating at the station
22:01:01  <Rubidium> only the two stations with the highest rating will get cargo
22:01:36  <simon444> I have roads connecting almost every town
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22:02:00  <simon444> the whole east side of the board is covered
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22:02:14  <simon444> it also covers most industries
22:02:50  <simon444> Can competitors use the roads I built?
22:02:56  <Rubidium> yes
22:03:04  <simon444> sucks!!!
22:03:09  <glx> why?
22:03:11  <Rippsy> I can't get a higher rating.. as I have no way to pickup the cargo to take it away to get a rating.. :-/
22:03:26  <Rippsy> awf :(
22:03:55  <simon444> it must of been one of the patches of the miniai thing
22:04:16  <simon444> Rippsy, bribe
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22:09:18  <Eddi|zuHause2> get exclusive transport rights
22:09:46  <simon444> muwhahaha
22:09:56  <simon444> just one more edge of towns left
22:10:02  <simon444> bit low on cash
22:10:15  <simon444> so I am going to wait before I finish building the roads
22:10:39  <simon444> don't have that many things making money
22:10:54  <simon444> just setting up buses when ever it is subsidized
22:11:10  <simon444> and only two regardless of town size
22:12:02  <Eddi|zuHause2> hmm... silence... /ignore is a great feature
22:12:42  <simon444> Eddi|zuHause2, I am going to patent that
22:12:57  <Hendikins> Eddi|zuHause2: Plonked a plonker?
22:13:11  <Eddi|zuHause2> a what?
22:13:21  <Wezz6400> plonk!
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22:13:51  <Hendikins> Eddi|zuHause2: Killfiled an idiot? Silenced a tosser?
22:14:14  <Eddi|zuHause2> i silenced a simon444... :)
22:14:47  <Hendikins> Well, see for my use of the terminology
22:16:46  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: richk * r10683 /branches/NewGRF_ports/src/ (10 files in 2 dirs):
22:16:46  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: [NewGRF_ports] -Revert: Too eager to un-const... global search/replace removed too many. Restores necessary ones... for the moment ;)
22:16:46  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: Thanks to Rubidium for corrections.
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22:19:21  <Wezz6400> "The sound a newbie makes as he falls to the bottom of a kill file." <-- lol!
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22:25:25  <simon444> bye
22:25:34  <simon444> your being very mean to me
22:25:41  <simon444> I can see I am not wanted
22:25:51  <simon444> I am commit suicide
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22:26:19  <NukeBuster> you could  have just said that this channel is meant for development talk....
22:26:38  <Wezz6400> is it?
22:28:00  <NukeBuster> it is mainly used for that task...
22:28:30  <NukeBuster> and he'd probably ceased talking
22:28:34  <ln-> some days
22:29:03  <Rubidium> the sound of silence :O
22:29:08  <Wezz6400> hehe
22:29:30  <Eddi|zuHause2> silence of the lambs :)
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22:30:57  <De_Ghost> LAMBS!!!!!!!
22:32:10  * Wezz6400 sends his brown minions to the lambs
22:32:25  <Sacro> it puts the lotion on itself, otherwise it gets the hose
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22:51:04  <guru3> whoa i just found part of my original patching for rcon in openttd
22:51:06  <guru3> talk about old
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22:57:12  <Sacro> :o guru3 !
22:57:36  <guru3> was lying aroudn in my temporary folder
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22:58:36  <Eddi|zuHause2> i also have "temporary" folders like that :p
22:59:45  <guru3> ooo wow development screenshots of the rcon
22:59:58  <guru3> back when i was running redhat xD
23:01:26  <guru3> holy crap found the actual original rcon patch
23:06:59  <guru3> anyway that's enough of a trip down memory lane
23:07:01  <guru3> good night everyone
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23:11:49  <Chris82> hi
23:11:59  <Chris82> can anyone tell me what these windows in the left are?
23:12:04  <Chris82> are they from trunk or a patch?
23:13:24  <Ailure> quick question
23:13:29  <Ailure> is there any serious bugs in latest release? :o
23:13:58  <glx> Chris82: which one to be precise?
23:14:23  <Chris82> glx: the window with power station in the title
23:14:46  <Rubidium> Ailure: which one to be precise?
23:14:54  <glx> the player just had renamed the station
23:14:55  <Ailure> nightly
23:15:11  <Ailure> Just asking since i'm gonna play it for a bit
23:15:22  <Ailure> over multiplayer with a few friends
23:15:24  <Chris82> glx: so that window shows which trains go to a specific station?
23:15:31  <glx> yes
23:15:32  <Chris82> how do I open such a window I didn't see this before
23:15:40  <Ailure> I'm not expecting it to be 100% stable, just enough to be playable :P
23:15:42  <Rubidium> Ailure: that's not what I call "latest release"
23:15:57  <Ailure> well true
23:16:01  <Chris82> ack latest release is 0.5.2 :) and that is rock stable
23:16:03  <Rubidium> but yes, there are a few issues with trunk at the moment
23:16:08  <Ailure> r10673
23:16:11  <glx> little buttons at bottom of station window, Chris82
23:16:22  <Ailure> but the stable is boring :)
23:16:28  <Chris82> glx: oh thx was this added recently?
23:16:52  <glx> no
23:16:57  <glx> it's in 0.5.x too
23:21:42  <Chris82> hmmm kk never seen it before and it has bugs when used with daypatch
23:21:50  <Chris82> I overlooked it in the gui code
23:22:09  <Chris82> doesn't matter I rewrite the patch right now anyway to get rid of DAY TICKS

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