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07:58:25 <simon444> So, I am canceling my subscription to IRC. 07:58:59 <Noldo> ahaa 08:02:00 <guru3> Been a while since I heard a soviet russia joke. 08:06:39 *** Dark_Link^ [~glidegame@xDSL-45-77.citynetnassjo.se] has joined #openttd 08:13:04 *** Dark_Link^^ [~glidegame@xDSL-45-77.citynetnassjo.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:21:34 *** Gekkko` [~Gekkko@CPE-124-183-12-152.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:30:21 <simon444> guru3, where were you 20 hours ago? 08:30:32 <simon444> they were going like crazy 08:30:51 <simon444> <Timwi> In Soviet Russia, no spoon is THERE. :) 08:30:57 <simon444> <Timwi> But in Soviet Russian, forever go on JOKES! 08:31:50 <guru3> i must admit, this isn't the place where i usually here soviet russia jokes 08:32:33 <Eddi|zuHause3> and i must admit it is not funny after the 58th time... 08:33:30 <simon444> In Soviet Russia, Jokes are Always Funny. 08:33:44 *** tokai|ni [~tokai@p54B81A07.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:34:12 <Eddi|zuHause3> i rest my case... 08:34:52 <simon444> In Soviet Russia, Cases Rest YOU! 08:35:10 <simon444> stop feeding me 08:35:28 <guru3> he's like a troll 08:35:29 *** tokai|ni [~tokai@p54B833BB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 08:35:44 <Eddi|zuHause3> yeah, and it is not friday :p 08:35:53 <guru3> thursday -_- 08:38:24 *** Gekkko` [~Gekkko@124.183.12.152] has joined #openttd 08:51:54 *** alex_ [~alexalex@62-249-237-101.no-dns-yet.enta.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:54:54 *** Netsplit synthon.oftc.net <-> oxygen.oftc.net, scorpio.oftc.net quits: Frostregen 08:55:36 *** Netsplit cation.oftc.net <-> synthon.oftc.net quits: Dark_Link^, CIA-1, simon444, Tefad, mikegrb, Gekkko`, ThePizzaKing, Hendikins, Nigel, Phazorx, (+6 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 08:57:06 *** Netsplit over, joins: Frostregen, Dark_Link^, Smoovious, Gekko[PDA] 08:57:15 *** Netsplit over, joins: Gekkko`, Hendikins, ThePizzaKing 08:58:24 *** simon444 [~simon@210-84-40-154.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #openttd 08:58:24 *** De_Ghost [~De_Ghost@CPE0050ba8caf2c-CM0011aec4b06a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #openttd 08:58:24 *** Nigel [~nigel@202.154.148.217] has joined #openttd 08:58:24 *** izhirahider [~izhirahid@izhirahider.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 08:59:04 *** Phazorx [PACO@CPE0011d8690c25-CM001225db7ae8.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #openttd 08:59:04 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-100-238.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 09:00:27 *** Tobin-_ [~tobin@c58-107-50-36.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 09:00:27 *** Tefad [~tefad@c-71-63-13-71.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 09:00:27 *** mikegrb [~michael@mail.thegrebs.com] has joined #openttd 09:00:27 *** CIA-1 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has joined #openttd 09:03:21 *** Ammller [~Ammler@adsl-84-226-41-44.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 09:04:24 *** Ammler is now known as Guest35 09:04:25 *** Ammller is now known as ammler 09:07:17 *** Guest35 [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-30-152.adslplus.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:11:42 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r10693 /trunk/config.lib: -Fix: --enable-install should have been removed from the configure parameters to save a long time ago. Now it is only causing warnings. 09:12:49 *** Tino|R152 [Tino@52N.UNI-MUENSTER.DE] has joined #openttd 09:14:51 *** Ammller [~Ammler@adsl-84-226-41-44.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 09:15:15 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A79BC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:18:24 <Rubidium> skidd13: was just reading the video driver source code and found out that we already have a variable with "real time" ticks: _realtime_tick 09:18:31 *** ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-226-41-44.adslplus.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:19:53 <skidd13> I must have read over it. Where is it defined? 09:20:43 <Rubidium> one of our lovely "oh I dump my crap here" files: variable.h 09:22:07 <skidd13> Hmm so I step back to the previous version and modify this one 09:22:51 <Rubidium> yes, but what do you mean with modifying that one? 09:23:39 <skidd13> I've a local VCS and step back to the previous rev and replace the hardcoded stuff with the _realtime_tick 09:23:48 *** Gekkko` is now known as Gekko 09:24:40 *** JazzyJaffa [~ben@85-211-142-91.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 09:26:20 <Rubidium> jup, a local VCS is very useful when developing 09:26:21 *** Digitalfox_Notebook [~chatzilla@bl7-182-248.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:32:12 <skidd13> Rubidium: What about the icons? Is the processor icon OK? 09:33:28 <Rubidium> I've not looked at the thing itself yet, only at the diff 09:34:06 <skidd13> Ah someone should check it, if they are ok. 09:54:18 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r10694 /trunk/src/network/ (network_gamelist.cpp network_udp.cpp): -Codechange: update the server information in the game list every once in a while so the information stays fairly up-to-date when you are looking through the servers. 09:57:32 <skidd13> Rubidium: I hope it's fine now. 10:03:24 *** mikk36[EST] [~mikk36@ip41.cab13.ktln.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 10:04:57 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D5F9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:05:33 *** mikk36 is now known as Guest39 10:05:33 *** mikk36[EST] is now known as mikk36 10:08:45 *** Guest39 [~mikk36@pc90.host7.starman.ee] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:16:36 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 10:24:16 *** MiHaMiX [~miham@xenon.bibl.u-szeged.hu] has joined #openttd 10:39:34 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A79BC.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 10:54:29 *** JazzyJaffa [~ben@85-211-142-91.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:19:26 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r10695 /trunk/src/road_cmd.cpp: -Fix [FS#1079]: building single pieces of road over tramtrack or vice versa on slopes did not work as expected. 11:20:44 <simon444> w00t 11:37:09 <Gekko> "as expected" meaning? 11:37:12 <Gekko> Rubidium: ^ 11:40:06 <peter1138> broken 11:46:58 *** Gekko [~Gekkko@124.183.12.152] has quit [Quit: http://bbqsrc.org - Now less gay.] 11:50:14 *** Roujin [~Roujin@mnch-4d043bbd.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 11:58:57 *** Nigel_ [~nigel@202.154.148.217] has joined #openttd 12:00:40 *** Nigel [~nigel@202.154.148.217] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:07:45 *** MUcht [~Mucht@p57A0F645.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:08:01 *** MUcht [~Mucht@p57A0F645.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:12:10 *** Tino|R152 [Tino@52N.UNI-MUENSTER.DE] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:14:13 <Smoky555> RSS channel - http://www.forwardnet.ru/open/open.xml - did somebody need this? 12:16:00 *** Tino|R152 [~Tino@52N.UNI-MUENSTER.DE] has joined #openttd 12:18:01 *** Maedhros [~jc@i-195-137-43-74.freedom2surf.net] has joined #openttd 12:19:49 *** Sacro [Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 12:21:22 *** Tino|R152 [~Tino@52N.UNI-MUENSTER.DE] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:25:57 *** Tino|R152 [~Tino@52N.UNI-MUENSTER.DE] has joined #openttd 12:36:10 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A65FB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:50:20 *** marc-andre [~marc-andr@84.4.234.64] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:55:45 *** marc-andre [~marc-andr@84.4.234.64] has joined #openttd 12:57:20 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-155-84.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: ThePizzaKing] 13:07:10 *** magnon [~co@127.80-202-72.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 13:07:22 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 13:11:10 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:11:17 *** magnon [~co@127.80-202-72.nextgentel.com] has quit [] 13:11:38 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 13:18:49 <simon444> yay! the coca-cola truck is outside my home 13:19:33 <TheMask96> better then inside, I agree :) 13:22:21 <simon444> 80 bottles or 4 boxes are now in my lounge 13:24:52 <hylje> oh, wut 13:25:03 <Rubidium> so, that's for one day? 13:25:52 <SpComb> what kind of bottles? 13:26:49 <Rubidium> those 5 gallon ones 13:28:23 <Rubidium> http://www.beveragefactory.com/images/ct.jpg <- those ones 13:31:39 <Smoovious> hooks up the syrup as an IV drip to his arm 13:33:36 <hylje> ow 13:36:13 <simon444> lol 13:37:51 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 13:37:54 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:44:15 <skidd13> The var RoadBits are 4 bit? 13:46:40 <Rubidium> a variable of type RoadBits has an undefined size (usually 32 or 64 bits though) 13:46:52 <Rubidium> but only the lowest 4 bits are used 13:47:42 <skidd13> If I shift the first bit the Road should cycle round 13:49:01 <glx> izhirahider: http://glx.dnsalias.net:8080/openttd/actionF/austrian.nfo <-- ottd austrian townname generator converted into action F (it does exactly the same) 13:51:22 <Belugas> :) 13:51:58 <Rubidium> skidd13: only if the first bit is the only set bit 13:52:25 <skidd13> Rubidium: obvious 13:54:40 *** Nigel [~nigel@202.154.148.217] has joined #openttd 13:56:30 *** Nigel_ [~nigel@202.154.148.217] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:57:24 *** UnderBuilder [~chatzilla@168.226.105.29] has joined #openttd 13:58:23 <UnderBuilder> good news: trams returned to my country's capital, Buenos Aires (yes off-topic, I know) 13:58:55 <peter1138> better news: 2œ hours left to go 13:59:16 <Belugas> prrrrt 13:59:32 <peter1138> well it's not my fault you're in the wrong timezone 13:59:38 <hylje> yay, trams! 13:59:48 <Belugas> :D 13:59:50 <Smoovious> and it isn't off-topic for here :D 13:59:55 <Belugas> so true peter1138 14:01:00 *** Ailure [Gamefreak@194.47.44.201] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:04:43 <skidd13> Even better news: Still 2 weeks holiday :) 14:05:18 <Belugas> mine start tomorrow evening 14:06:13 <UnderBuilder> the new trams are built at the side of the roads instead of going through them, is that a tendency in modern cities or the in-roads trams are still common there? 14:06:59 *** Maedhros [~jc@i-195-137-43-74.freedom2surf.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:07:35 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r10696 /trunk/src/ (15 files): -Codechange: remove duplication of the "make sprite transparent" code. 14:07:43 <peter1138> i think they prefer them off road as it means congestion doesn't affect the trams to much 14:08:38 <Eddi|zuHause3> here they rebuilt a lot of roads that had trams on them to trams in the middle and car lanes next to them 14:09:30 <Eddi|zuHause3> usually reducing the car lanes per direction from 2 to 1 14:10:11 <glx> same here 14:11:10 *** magnon [~co@wbnm-gw.venstre.no] has joined #openttd 14:11:16 *** magnon [~co@wbnm-gw.venstre.no] has quit [] 14:11:55 <Eddi|zuHause3> when most trams were built (high time was around 1920), car traffic was not an issue 14:12:45 <Eddi|zuHause3> now it is, so they adapted the style 14:12:45 <simon444> I hate cars 14:13:28 <simon444> I have a friend who has moved to Israel for new transport methods 14:13:32 <skidd13> RoadBits r = 0100; (GB(r, 2, 2) >> 2) == 0001 ? 14:13:45 <simon444> *to develop 14:14:22 <Eddi|zuHause3> skidd13: no, GB(r,2,2) is already 01, so >> 2 will erase those bits 14:15:12 <Eddi|zuHause3> GB is not only an & mask, it also shifts 14:16:16 <skidd13> (GB(r, 2, 2) == 0001 ? 14:16:27 <Eddi|zuHause3> yes 14:16:31 <simon444> I have seen his computerized electro private vehicle and I must say I am impressed 14:16:57 <simon444> the vehicle is very cheap 14:17:16 <simon444> the cost of the special roads are only 70% more than current costs 14:17:47 <simon444> I think we might see this type of transport being adopted by developing countries 14:17:55 <Eddi|zuHause3> "only 70%"... what propaganda sheet is that from? 14:18:36 <simon444> Eddi|zuHause3, that is not including power 14:18:46 <skidd13> Hmm strange ((RoadBits)GB(r, 2, 2) | (RoadBits)(GB(r, 0, 2) << 2)) should mirror the road bits but it does not. 14:19:49 <Eddi|zuHause3> skidd13: the copy-paste patch had some stuff about mirroring in, maybe look there 14:20:06 <simon444> Eddi|zuHause3, his research is not public. It is being carried out by a research facility in Israel. 14:20:08 <Smoovious> "only 70% more" here would spark riots in the open community meetings with the planners 14:20:41 <Eddi|zuHause3> exactly, Smoovious ;) 14:21:23 <Smoovious> like... that's only almost twice as much... doesn't sound like a lot at all, put it that way 14:21:26 <simon444> Smoovious, the cost of cars being a lot less (few hundred dollar). Less power required. Faster transport. Allowing Kids to drive. And much more is good tradeoff 14:21:46 <Eddi|zuHause3> and especially in developing countries, where often road infrastructure means a dirty path through the jungle, how can you expect them to pay twice for a special road when they do not even have money for normal roads? 14:22:01 <Smoovious> allowing kids to drive... that would doom it to failure right there here 14:22:04 *** Peakki [antti@cs181000195.pp.htv.fi] has joined #openttd 14:22:27 <simon444> Overall for developing counties it is a lot cheaper than the current system 14:22:42 <simon444> Smoovious, the computerized roads are doing the driving 14:22:57 <simon444> I forgot to mention: No need for public transport 14:23:03 <hylje> public transport without the public 14:23:09 <hylje> yay. 14:23:10 <Eddi|zuHause3> the current system being importing 20 year old cars from "developed" countries for 50EUR? 14:23:30 <Smoovious> simon444... doesn't matter whos doing the driving... kids gotta earn their freedoms 14:23:47 <simon444> Over here in Australia 3/4 of road tax revenue is going for public transport 14:24:15 <simon444> Smoovious, the system can be used by parents to automaticly take their kids to school 14:24:23 <simon444> Smoovious, it can be locked down very well 14:24:50 * Smoovious shakkes his head. 14:25:20 *** Deathmaker [~Miranda@dslb-082-083-253-220.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 14:25:22 <Smoovious> just o ne m ore t hing that parents don't have t o acknowledge responsibility for.... pretty soon, they won't have to raise their kids at all, they'll just have a device d o i t 14:25:28 <Smoovious> it isn't a positive thing 14:25:55 <Eddi|zuHause3> you should learn control over your space key :) 14:26:08 <Smoovious> technology is all fine and dandy, bu t not when it relieves people of t heir responsibilities 14:26:15 *** hrada [~ty@85.207.18.146] has joined #openttd 14:26:22 <simon444> Smoovious, in the old day in Europe kids from a young age would leave home and go to bigger cities by themselves for education if they could afford it 14:26:38 <Smoovious> I'm still o n t hhe backup keybouncing stuck-kkey keyboard... it is actually worse than you see... you should see what I'm correcting 14:26:58 <Smoovious> simon444... in the old days we could eat our young 14:27:01 <Eddi|zuHause3> i'd rather not see :) 14:27:12 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A65FB.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 14:27:14 <Smoovious> doesn't mean its better 14:27:59 <simon444> Smoovious, the cost of driving your kids to school and missing out on work during that time in developing countries is a lot more than the cost of the special roads required (I'd assume. I don't have any maths to back me up as I am not doing the research.) 14:28:12 <Eddi|zuHause3> but everything you tell here has nothing to do with "developing" countries... they have totally different problems than investing millions in computerised roads 14:28:26 <Smoovious> we all make sacrifices for our families... 14:28:43 <Smoovious> if a parent has to spend an hour l ess at work and an hour m ore with the kids, that is a good thing 14:28:56 <eekee> developing countries like to invest millions in hare-brained schemes. Is why they're still developing, methinks 14:29:21 <Smoovious> eekee... well, that, and t hey keep destroying everything they develop 14:29:26 <simon444> Eddi|zuHause3, well maybe no Africa but other developing countries like Israel itself would be very happy with such technology 14:29:39 <eekee> *shrug* ya Smoovious 14:30:05 <Eddi|zuHause3> i don't think israel classifies as a "developing" country in the classical sense of the word... 14:30:10 <eekee> no... 14:30:12 <Smoovious> Israel have o ther priorities... like, stopping the bombing so they can keep their phone and data lines u p and nnot h ave to rebuild their h ouses so much 14:30:29 <simon444> Smoovious, they aren't spending an hour extra with the kids. They are spending an hour extra on unsafe roads with crazy traffic that gives them a higher chance of getting killed. 14:30:58 <glx> traffic is not the dangerous part I think 14:30:59 <Smoovious> Evolution in action 14:31:25 <simon444> glx, I didn't use grammar correctly. 14:31:44 <simon444> glx, I meant both points together gives them a danger 14:32:02 <Smoovious> we need danger 14:32:13 <eekee> I do have to wonder how expensive it would actually be. I mean, they had autopilot & stuff in the 2nd world war I think, maybe it needn't be expensive at all 14:32:19 <Smoovious> we take away all danger, and t he g ene pool suffers 14:32:29 <simon444> a road collapse has higher of happening with more traffic 14:33:36 <eekee> we take away all danger & the gene pool has a change to produce something really interesting, IMHO. Look at dogs & cats, sheltered lives & look at the variety in them! 14:33:36 <simon444> eekee, well the main benefit is the cost of the vehicle is very little 14:33:42 <eekee> ah neat! 14:33:50 *** ufoun [~ty@85.207.18.146] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:35:24 <simon444> I would love such a system for Australia 14:36:56 <simon444> Overall the cost would be less for a country like Australia who 3/4 of road tax revenue goes to public transport. The complete cost would be reduced to 1/4+70% 14:37:02 <simon444> and a way better system 14:37:58 <Smoovious> ... 14:38:17 <simon444> . . . 14:39:47 <Smoovious> afk 14:40:07 <simon444> afsb 14:40:15 <simon444> awayfromspacebutton 14:41:36 <eekee> What I would be afraid of with such a system is the liklyhood of it spreading to all forms of driving until you couldn't drive your own car. At 25 years old, the only real form of freedom I'd ever known was driving, alone, for pleasure. I had no opportunity for choices or was too inhibited to make them in all other areas of my life D: 14:41:41 <eekee> lol 14:42:51 <simon444> eekee, well if all roads become these special roads you don't have to worry unless you take your on road car off road 14:44:06 *** Roujin [~Roujin@mnch-4d043bbd.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:44:09 <eekee> hmm I suppose, ya 14:54:03 *** Tino|R152 [~Tino@52N.UNI-MUENSTER.DE] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:55:53 <UnderBuilder> I have a nice mockup to do: a mix of Lemmings and (O)TTD(P) 14:56:31 <eekee> haha 14:56:33 <UnderBuilder> this is the idea: you need to protect the trucks from the evil rail crossings 14:56:41 <eekee> oo cute 15:09:48 *** Deathmaker [~Miranda@dslb-082-083-253-220.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:13:10 *** JazzyJaffa [~ben@fwnat-pub-1.physics.ox.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 15:14:35 <JazzyJaffa> Is there anywhere a quick overview of whats network safe code and whats not? I know the obvious stuff like no floating point, but wanted to be clear on any other caveats. 15:15:04 <hylje> anything predictable 15:18:16 <JazzyJaffa> If I do divison of two integers thats fine without needing to cast right? 15:19:24 <JazzyJaffa> I'm only checking as I'm getting the occasional desync with the new ship pf 15:21:35 <Rubidium> the caches are out of sync I guess 15:22:32 <Rubidium> you must construct the caches in such a way that destroying the cache and rebuilding it gives exactly the same cache as when you wouldn't have had destroyed and rebuilt it. 15:22:53 <JazzyJaffa> Yes, I've kept that in mind while coding it 15:23:24 <Rubidium> well, most likely it is not the case 15:23:24 <JazzyJaffa> The routes aren't cached yet, but the same rule applies to building the regions 15:23:41 <JazzyJaffa> ah ha, just understood it 15:24:15 <JazzyJaffa> I was making an untrue assumption about the saving of station data 15:25:08 <JazzyJaffa> Thanks, funny how just explaining something to someone else shows flaws you don't think of on your own! 15:26:23 <eekee> yeah, I've heard that the best way to really learn somehting is to teach it 15:26:59 <JazzyJaffa> A guy who was teaching a course I went on told us to explain our code to a pot plant. 15:27:12 <eekee> hehehe 15:27:50 <Belugas> i tried that with my wife. She felt asleep 15:29:21 <glx> Belugas: lucky for you she's not here right now ;) 15:29:29 <UnderBuilder> other obstacles for TTLems: UFOs 15:29:40 <UnderBuilder> lol 15:29:59 <Belugas> i very much doubt she will ever come in here :D 15:30:07 <Belugas> lucky for me ! 15:30:24 <JazzyJaffa> Mine tries to be interested, then you see her go blank. 15:30:43 <Belugas> hehe 15:31:53 <UnderBuilder> damn I tried to convert a selection to grayscale in paint and it converted all the draw instead 15:31:56 <UnderBuilder> damn paint 15:32:13 <Belugas> otoh, she learned html by herself a few months ago and started to do some pages. She had a few problems, asked me how i would fix those. She started to argue. I stopped helping her. 15:32:21 <UnderBuilder> worst is that I can't undo 15:33:44 <JazzyJaffa> I've learned the hard way that helping people with websites always ends in disaster 15:34:15 *** Ammller [~Ammler@adsl-84-226-41-44.adslplus.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:34:27 <Belugas> yup. so once more, deving is a solitary job 15:34:34 <Belugas> no matter on waht you work 15:35:51 <JazzyJaffa> desync solved I think (none so far any way) 15:37:27 <Rubidium> desyncs are very annoying to test for :( 15:37:42 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r10697 /trunk/src/ (8 files): -Codechange: give a more sensible names to some of the unkX variables. 15:37:58 <JazzyJaffa> I can imagine, I knew this one was my fault as it was when the regions updated on terraform 15:38:19 *** Frostregen_ [~sucks@dslb-084-058-168-114.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 15:38:45 <JazzyJaffa> Is the svn head desync free? In other words can I assume they are my fault if they occur? 15:39:13 <Rubidium> I haven't heard of desyncs the last few hundred revisions 15:40:09 <JazzyJaffa> good stuff 15:40:37 <JazzyJaffa> is the best way just to chuck out lots of debug and diff it? 15:41:19 <Rubidium> generally yes 15:42:14 <JazzyJaffa> well the best way is to code thinking "is this derived from saved information" 15:42:15 <Rubidium> but for example (most) YAPF desyncs were found and fixed by running a cached YAPF and a uncached YAPF for each YAPF call and then diffing the output 15:42:46 <JazzyJaffa> i see, a local solution 15:43:46 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-175-240.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:43:58 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 15:44:07 <JazzyJaffa> well thanks for the pointers, back to testing 15:49:05 <UnderBuilder> "If you can't win against the enemy, join him" - the best way to compete against sabotagers in OTTD? 15:49:59 *** matt4 [~opera@net118.sa.umanitoba.ca] has joined #openttd 15:51:04 *** Darkebie [~dkb@d5153D5CD.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 15:52:12 <Eddi|zuHause3> *mental note* do not get involved with physical work at these temperatures 15:52:40 <Rubidium> but... it's only 20 degrees Celcius (if not less) 15:52:50 <glx> and very windy 15:53:03 <JazzyJaffa> We're flooded, keeps your feet cool 15:54:29 <Eddi|zuHause3> it's definitely above 20°C her 15:54:29 <Eddi|zuHause3> e 15:54:57 *** Ailure [Gamefreak@194.47.44.201] has joined #openttd 15:55:02 <Eddi|zuHause3> processor says 54°C, but that hardly counts :p 15:56:28 <Eddi|zuHause3> thermometer says 26.7°C, and 40% humidity 15:56:35 <glx> CPU says 35°C here 15:56:52 <Eddi|zuHause3> well, mine is busy :) 15:56:53 *** Digitalfox_Desktop [~Digitalfo@bl7-182-248.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 15:57:12 <glx> it was 50°C when compiling latest commit :) 15:58:44 <Digitalfox_Desktop> Well the strange thing is that Portugal is a turistic country with lots of beaches and summer activities, theres a lot of people who live here and work just for tourists.. But now when there should be 30-40 ºC.. Theres 20-30 and lot's of wind and clouds.. This summer is ruined... :( 15:58:51 <glx> cpu fan speed returns under 3000 rpm easily so it's not too hot 15:59:24 *** Wezz6400 [~not@ndb.demon.nl] has joined #openttd 15:59:56 <Digitalfox_Desktop> On the other hand Uk is swimming and east europe is burning :( 15:59:57 <Rubidium> my CPU is 55 degrees during compiles, but what do you want when it is passively cooled 16:00:16 <Wezz6400> 55 isn't that bad 16:00:23 <Digitalfox_Desktop> The weather is all fu*k up.. :( 16:01:02 <Belugas> summer in Quebec is absolutely marvelous. Sorry to hear it is not the case in Europ 16:01:04 *** lolman [~john@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 16:01:20 *** lolman [~john@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:01:27 <Wezz6400> hmm 16:01:28 <Belugas> and my system is too hold to have a cpu thermometer 16:01:35 <glx> you didn't see the news about GB weather ? 16:01:35 <Digitalfox_Desktop> Well the problem with CPU heating is the duration of it's life.. More heat means less life time.. 16:01:40 <Wezz6400> nobody making the stupid global warming comment? good 16:01:50 *** lolman [~john@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 16:02:07 <Wezz6400> Digitalfox_Desktop yes, however 55 degrees is not that high that it's a serious concern 16:02:18 <Wezz6400> besides, those thermometers are very unreliable 16:02:26 *** Darkebie [~dkb@d5153D5CD.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: VIP Gill ;D] 16:02:32 <Digitalfox_Desktop> Wezz6400: Well some weeks ago i would.. But now i saw a documentary talking about weather changes and that the heating has other condicionals not just the global warming.. 16:02:57 <Wezz6400> The global warming swindle? 16:03:18 <Eddi|zuHause3> i once had a cpu that ran on 70°C when idle... 16:03:49 <glx> passive cooling? 16:03:57 <Eddi|zuHause3> no, active :) 16:04:06 <Eddi|zuHause3> but it was probably undercooled 16:04:44 <Wezz6400> some of the last p4 processors were just getting rediculously hot 16:05:16 <Digitalfox_Desktop> Well a friend of mine brought to me yesterday his laptop.. CPU at 75ºC idle... Jesus all the platic was burning my fingers..:\ 16:05:17 <Eddi|zuHause3> it was an AMD 1400, i believe 16:06:05 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Tschüß] 16:06:18 <Eddi|zuHause3> '°', not 'º' 16:06:19 <glx> Digitalfox_Desktop: maybe remove the dust that is inside it 16:06:37 <Wezz6400> ah yes the thunderbirds and especially the palominos got quite hot 16:06:38 <Rubidium> Digitalfox_Desktop: a laptop with a CPU that is 75 degrees when idle is not what I call a laptop 16:07:08 <Sacro> mine warms my testicles nicely 16:07:08 <Digitalfox_Desktop> A lot of dust and the *hum what do you call it in english, the thing that you put between cpu and cooling system* was erased.. 16:07:17 <Eddi|zuHause3> yeah, i would keep my hands off such a laptop (and especially my lap) 16:07:20 <Wezz6400> cooling paste? 16:07:25 <Sacro> Digitalfox_Desktop: heatsink compound 16:07:25 <glx> thermal 16:07:28 <Digitalfox_Desktop> Wezz6400: that's it 16:07:48 <Sacro> it has many names 16:07:48 <Wezz6400> that shouldn't be disappearing o.O 16:07:52 <Sacro> glx: thermal paste 16:08:36 <Digitalfox_Desktop> So i removed the dust and put thermal paste and the temperature got to 50 ºC iddle and 60 ºC at full work.. 16:08:52 <Digitalfox_Desktop> thermal paste does disapera if a lot of hot starts to get in CPU because of dust 16:08:59 <Eddi|zuHause3> mine runs at about 35°C when idle 16:09:01 <Digitalfox_Desktop> *disappear 16:09:22 <Wezz6400> well on a laptop the fan probable doesn't run as fast on idle as it does on full load 16:09:48 <Digitalfox_Desktop> The problem is that the fans were always working at maximum so the noise was a lot.. 16:10:03 <Digitalfox_Desktop> And the heat of course :) 16:10:16 <Digitalfox_Desktop> It was a Centrino 2.0 16:10:22 <Wezz6400> heh yeah laptops are very noisy on full loads 16:11:35 <Digitalfox_Desktop> I found on the net some stuff that you put beneath the laptop and has 2 fans and it helps keeping the laptop more cold :) 16:11:43 <hylje> my lappy tends to get 80+ C when full load for longer times 16:11:51 <Wezz6400> heh I kinda dislike laptops 16:11:54 <hylje> proc, that is 16:12:08 <Wezz6400> I have one because it's so easy to have your own pc with you, but all I do on it is working 16:12:28 <Wezz6400> also I never use it at home, I always use my superior desktop there 16:12:39 <hylje> laptops are good for what they are, for being portable 16:12:54 <hylje> if a more luggable box is available, it's likely better 16:13:03 <Wezz6400> indeed 16:13:18 <Wezz6400> just like wireless networks, the only upside is that it's wireless 16:14:06 <hylje> well 16:14:18 <hylje> the other upside is that it's more available where wires dont reach 16:14:28 <hylje> gprs, edge, 3g 16:14:34 <Wezz6400> yeah well 16:14:43 *** Darkebie [~dkb@d5153D5CD.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:14:55 <Rubidium> I do not even own a desktop anymore 16:15:02 <Smoovious> that and most people leave their wireless hubs unsecured, so ya don't have a lot of problems finding a spot to check yer main 16:15:04 <Smoovious> mail 16:15:07 <Rubidium> I've got more than enough power in my laptop to do everything I want 16:15:08 <Wezz6400> it's slow, it's unrealiable, if the connection is not optimal you have disconnects all over teh place, etc. etc. 16:15:19 <Rubidium> and more than enough resolution too 16:15:30 <hylje> i'm in the middle of nowhere 16:15:42 <hylje> edge hasnt dropped for me for some hours 16:15:46 <Smoovious> Utah? 16:15:51 <hylje> less so 16:15:55 <Rubidium> Wezz6400: then you need a better wireless nic 16:16:18 <Wezz6400> Rubidium well I'm comparing it to wired networks 16:16:24 <Rubidium> I can leave my laptop turned on and go home and still have my ssh connection open 16:16:34 <Wezz6400> there you have no disconnects, superior speed, etc. etc. 16:16:35 <hylje> roaming++ 16:16:37 <Rubidium> which includes a ride in the elevator 16:16:50 <Rubidium> and a few minutes cycling 16:16:51 <hylje> ssh isnt the first stateful connection to drop 16:17:11 <Wezz6400> the timeout ranges for ssh and irc are quite long 16:17:26 <hylje> irc wont resume as reliably 16:17:51 <Rubidium> I just run irc on my server and that has a wired connection, so that won't bother me 16:18:23 <SpComb> having irssi/screen open via ssh tends to cause irssi to freeze up when the ssh connection freezes 16:18:40 <hylje> SpComb: screen can be configured to avoid that 16:18:56 <SpComb> I think one needs to play around with sshd as well 16:19:06 <hylje> not particularly 16:19:11 <SpComb> display set to nonblocking mode, 1s timeout 16:19:12 <Rubidium> SpComb: it doesn't freeze for me 16:19:22 <SpComb> yet my irssi gets stuck, regardless 16:19:36 <hylje> not for me either :o 16:19:39 <Wezz6400> Rubidium I see you have quite good experience, and well wifi is usefull at times I agree, however using at it at home to connect stationary desktop machines to the internet is sado-masochism imho 16:20:02 <hylje> stationary machines over wifi is silly 16:20:13 <hylje> wifis point is that you dont need to use wires 16:20:13 <Rubidium> yes, especially when you've got 100 Mbps internet in the wall ;) 16:20:33 <Wezz6400> hylje thing is, loads of people are afraid to drill holes or thing cables look "ugly" 16:20:39 <hylje> :o 16:20:50 <SpComb> wifi in the datacenter 16:20:51 <hylje> cabls are ugly when you cant manage them 16:20:58 <hylje> SpComb: golden 16:21:05 *** lolman [~john@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:21:22 <Wezz6400> SpComb wifi in datacenters is used for people with laptops in there looking up why their server won't boot 16:21:26 *** lolman [~john@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 16:22:45 <Rubidium> must tell that my wireless nic is exceptionally good 16:23:15 <Wezz6400> I suspect that the network you use is also very good 16:23:17 <Rubidium> know a lot of people that cannot even get a wireless connection when I've got a connection at maximum speed 16:23:35 <Wezz6400> hehe I've had the same experience 16:23:44 <Wezz6400> My classmate already had a laptop when I bought mine 16:23:58 <Wezz6400> He was always having trouble with connecting to the schools wifi network 16:24:08 <Wezz6400> He has an MSI laptop which is over 50% more expensive than mine 16:24:11 <Rubidium> and always complain about the "stability" of the wireless there, but I've never ever had problems with it (except that time they were changing routers) 16:24:23 <Wezz6400> However I had no trouble whatsoever connecting to the network, you should've seen his face :D 16:24:54 <Wezz6400> me with my cheap acer machine getting connection when he couldn't \o/ 16:25:34 <Rubidium> another "problem" is that people keep complaining the letters on my laptop are "so small" 16:25:58 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host238-162-dynamic.56-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 16:26:03 *** BobingAbout [~BobingAbo@adsl-83-100-227-214.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 16:26:21 <Wezz6400> high reso on a small screen? 16:26:31 <Rubidium> 15 inch 16:26:32 <Eddi|zuHause3> i won't give up my desktop because then i have nowhere to put my dvb-s card in :) 16:26:36 <Rubidium> 1920x1200 16:26:45 <Wezz6400> that is quite high 16:26:55 <Eddi|zuHause3> that must be rather expensive 16:27:01 *** BobingAbout [~BobingAbo@adsl-83-100-227-214.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [] 16:27:17 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A4CD6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:27:20 <Belugas> but i think it was a good investment for him :) 16:27:26 <Rubidium> yup, 1100 euros two years back with Centrino 16:27:46 *** matt4 [~opera@net118.sa.umanitoba.ca] has left #openttd [] 16:28:25 <Wezz6400> I gotta say though I just dislike laptop screens (the ones on the more expensive laptops are better, but they still are not nearly as good as a proper lcd monitor) and typing on them is annoying cause of the hight 16:29:46 <Wolf01> hello 16:29:48 <Rubidium> problem is that I need the laptop for school, well... not actually for school work, but they've got old CRTs which equals in headaches in 5 minutes 16:30:02 <Belugas> i have two LCDs at work, and i by far prefre my CRT at home 16:30:30 <Wezz6400> yeah I bought it for school too 16:30:46 <Wezz6400> it's just a pain in the ass to have to install all the software you need over and over again 16:30:53 <hylje> Wezz6400: my laptop lcd monitor begs to differ 16:31:10 <hylje> Wezz6400: installing software? pain? 16:31:23 <Rubidium> and I didn't see any point in spending yet more money on a desktop system with high resolution screen, low noise etc. 16:31:26 <Wezz6400> when not using a laptop but having to use the schools computers 16:32:36 <Belugas> hello Wolf01 16:32:45 <Wolf01> hello Belugas 16:33:09 <Wezz6400> Heh well I already have a custom build heavily overclocked desktop system so the laptop really was just a secondary system to take to school and do office work and programming on 16:34:05 *** marc-andre [~marc-andr@84.4.234.64] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:35:47 <Wezz6400> oh well dinner time ;) 16:35:57 *** Wezz6400 [~not@ndb.demon.nl] has quit [Quit: bbl] 16:36:21 <Rubidium> quiting for dinner? 16:36:37 <simon444> Wezz6400 IS A QUITTER!!! 16:36:41 <Rubidium> just take your laptop to the kitchen while cooking and eating ;) 16:36:49 <simon444> what a looooooooooooooooooooser 16:37:13 * Smoovious coughs. 16:37:20 <Wolf01> or bring the stuff to your pc ;) 16:38:29 <simon444> LOL 16:38:41 <simon444> or program your computer to make them for you 16:38:55 *** Sacro [Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:39:49 <SpComb> or order from pizza hut 16:40:12 <Wolf01> ok, let's talk about sex, sacro has been dropped :D 16:40:13 <Rubidium> SpComb: then you still have to take the laptop to the door when you pay the pizza delivery person 16:40:53 *** simon444 is now known as sacro 16:41:01 <SpComb> fake sacro 16:41:11 <sacro> none of that here 16:41:55 <Rubidium> @kick sacro always wanted to do so 16:41:55 *** sacro was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [always wanted to do so] 16:41:55 <Eddi|zuHause3> i had a CRT at home until 2 months ago, when it broke... i liked it, it had good resolution, flat screen and high refresh rate 16:41:56 *** sacro [~simon@210-84-40-154.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #openttd 16:42:05 *** sacro is now known as simon444 16:42:16 <simon444> piss off 16:43:01 <hylje> noboy likes sacro 16:43:11 *** nimblex [nimblex@86.126.35.10] has joined #openttd 16:43:33 <simon444> @love nimblex 16:43:52 *** nimblex is now known as Ionut 16:44:00 <simon444> sick. they are doing it from behind 16:44:01 <Rubidium> hylje: exactly, he's the person being kicked most ;) 16:44:25 <Belugas> just that CRTs are so huge space invaders :( 16:44:31 <Belugas> the only problem with them 16:44:33 <hylje> space invaders ! 16:45:18 <SpComb> that's why I didn't get a CRT 16:45:21 <Belugas> http://devs.openttd.org/~belugas/photos/Dsc01918_small.jpg <--- not much room for anything else... 16:45:32 <Belugas> it was given to me by my boss 16:45:37 <Belugas> i have two in fact, 16:45:39 <Belugas> same model 16:45:50 <Belugas> one awaits for the first to die 16:46:24 <simon444> I have a CRT 16:46:32 <simon444> It is huge 16:46:33 *** phryx [~phryx@c-ada5e355.1811-6-64736c12.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 16:46:39 <phryx> gday 16:46:39 <simon444> has a HUGE resolution 16:46:50 <simon444> and costs a fortune! 16:47:01 <simon444> phryx, howdy stranger 16:48:44 <phryx> stranger and stranger, have i been gone that long? 16:48:54 <Digitalfox_Desktop> Belugas when TFT are a lot cheaper i'll send you one.. ;) 16:50:07 <simon444> phryx, in Sweden yes. 16:51:13 <phryx> meh 16:51:22 <Belugas> thanks, Digitalfox_Desktop :) but i think i need a larger desk instead :D 16:51:27 <phryx> i remember it only being yesterday i logged in to do some bad translation. 16:51:34 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r10698 /trunk/src/ (23 files in 3 dirs): -Codechange [FS#1082]: simplify the code related to foundations. Primarily removal of (duplicated|magic) code and introduction of few helper functions to ease foundation determination. Patch by frosch. 16:51:42 <phryx> speaking of wich, my webtranslator login died. :'( 16:52:18 <Rubidium> phryx: then you must have been away for more than a year I guess 16:53:03 <phryx> Rubidium: guess so. ;) 16:53:11 <phryx> work has been crazy. :P 16:55:02 <phryx> been having some free time lately and got a silly idea to check if there was anything eng-swe needing translation. :) 16:55:25 <Rubidium> your name doesn't show up in my logs, which start begin of april 2006 16:56:20 <phryx> haha, longer... ;) 16:56:22 * phryx hides. 16:56:34 <Rubidium> phryx: I think you should drop MiHaMiX an email if you want your account back, or rather request a new account as the whole webtranslator has been rewritten and such 16:57:13 <phryx> so i noticed. :) 16:57:17 <phryx> figured it was something like that. ;) 16:57:21 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 16:57:26 <Priski> they say that programmes are heviest drinkers in the bussiness... no wonder 16:57:37 <phryx> ill just check with him in here when he wakes to life again. :) 16:57:41 <Wolf01> Belugas: http://wolf01.game-host.org/img/HPIM0032.jpg less space than yours :( :D 16:58:14 <Priski> after a 8 hours of paintaking debuggin beer tastes like a heaven 16:58:20 <Priski> mmmm... 16:58:56 <Wolf01> (dark corner, phone camera...) 16:59:12 <Belugas> Indeed... 16:59:19 <Belugas> i could not ... 16:59:35 <Belugas> too small, way too small space 16:59:37 <hylje> Priski: also, worsethanfailure 17:00:25 <Priski> seal is also a programmer? :) 17:01:18 <phryx> damn, so many new faces in here. :S 17:01:32 <Rubidium> Priski: then you must have had a very very paintaking debugging session as beer is disgusting 17:01:33 <hylje> i code in python 17:01:42 <hylje> i debugged for several hours some rather elusive bugs 17:01:59 <Priski> i'm just glad that I did not go into c++ too deep, php is so much easier 17:02:12 <hylje> eww, php :x 17:02:51 <Rubidium> I'd recommend you to debug some OTTD desyncs :) 17:03:08 <hylje> ive heard enough horror stories 17:03:15 <Eddi|zuHause3> <Wolf01> Belugas: http://wolf01.game-host.org/img/HPIM0032.jpg less space than yours :( :D <- you stole that desk from a dollhouse?!? 17:03:29 <hylje> and i dont have two comps available mostly 17:03:30 <Wolf01> ehm... yes XD 17:03:39 <Priski> Rubidium, everybody have their tastes, some drink beer, some whiskey, some get relaxed with joint or whatever makes you forget all the BS they had that day... 17:03:51 <Rubidium> hylje: you don't need two computers all the time 17:03:55 <Eddi|zuHause3> it's like 1/4th of my desk, and i have two of them :p 17:04:08 <Wolf01> i have 5 pc around... these, my 2, one for my father, one for my sister/mother and the web server 17:04:09 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:04:16 <Rubidium> unless you are debugging endian desyncs 17:04:20 <hylje> Rubidium: yeh well.. 17:05:05 <Priski> hylje, PHP is quite nice if you mostly code good OO-code, otherthan that it is somewhat bad language... 17:05:12 <Rubidium> and debugging endian desyncs when you only have little endian machines is even more fun 17:05:39 <hylje> Priski: webhosts barely support php5. OO is of little importance 17:05:53 <hylje> besides, i find php lacking in OO metaprogramming 17:06:28 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has joined #openttd 17:06:43 <hylje> and in overall anguage features 17:06:59 <Priski> hylje, on my experience many use PHP5 already in their servers, but of course that depends on to whom do you make that code 17:07:39 <Priski> and yes, there are still too much non PHP5 servers still at use 17:08:57 <Priski> hard to turn back now when you have already lots of experience 17:09:36 <Priski> and experience is that thing that is never enough, whatever do you code... 17:10:03 <hylje> my experience with python makes me go "omg no ;_;" when it comes to php 17:10:39 <hylje> i done a smallish project in php, in my own terms, with no maintenance overhead 17:10:50 <hylje> working around php was painful 17:11:03 <Priski> yeah I know that feeling too 17:12:23 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A43614.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:13:09 <Priski> Man i'm feeling a bit buzz already 17:13:52 <Eddi|zuHause3> "drink faster, it's already getting dark" 17:14:15 <Priski> some beers from the fridge and off we go to see a neighbourgh and his new bottle of whiskey ;) 17:14:46 <Priski> se ya all, dont get too depressed all the devs here :) 17:14:48 <Priski> o/ 17:14:49 <Priski> --> 17:15:19 <simon444> Priski, PHP was started by an Israeli uni grad. he didn't design it to be used as language for what it is being used today 17:15:42 <simon444> Priski, this is one of those things that people don't like about oss 17:16:20 <simon444> Priski, oss doesn't have any method for a consistent engineering style 17:16:35 <hylje> bad projects have none 17:16:55 <hylje> and what do you exactly mean with "engineering style" ? 17:16:56 <simon444> Priski, everyone has their own style of design and it gets mixed in one big salad bawl 17:17:07 <simon444> hylje, unix had a style 17:17:27 <simon444> this is also a problem for most other operating systems out there... 17:17:36 <simon444> not just a oss problem... 17:17:39 <hylje> all larger projects have a consistent coding style and a roadmap 17:17:48 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A4CD6.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 17:17:50 <hylje> or, rather, most 17:18:06 <simon444> hylje, when people added things like graphics to unix they used a different style 17:18:24 <simon444> hylje, unix no longer stayed as an everything is a file os 17:18:32 <hylje> true 17:18:45 <hylje> it used to be much worse than it is now 17:18:56 <simon444> hylje, unix became some things are a file, some things are sockets some things are... 17:19:07 <hylje> freedesktop imposes wel needed standards for X WMs 17:19:12 <simon444> <hylje> all larger projects have a consistent coding style and a roadmap 17:19:26 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:19:31 <simon444> I am talking about engineering not coding. 17:20:18 <hylje> when it comes to engineering with software, its hard to deduce a single perfect solution 17:20:49 <simon444> this is more of a problem of the project coordinators than oss/commercial philosophies. 17:21:04 <simon444> hylje, yes it is 17:21:20 <simon444> hylje, look at Plan 9 17:21:32 <hylje> thus we get several attempts at getting great solutions 17:21:51 <simon444> the problem is 17:22:37 <simon444> to have a successful project you can not locked down on developers using the same engineering style if you don't have enough money 17:24:05 *** JazzyJaffa [~ben@fwnat-pub-1.physics.ox.ac.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:32:34 *** Rippsy [~Moose@malcolmi.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 17:34:05 *** JazzyJaffa [~ben@fwnat-pub-1.physics.ox.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 17:36:37 *** Wezz6400 [~not@ndb.demon.nl] has joined #openttd 17:36:47 *** peterbrett [~peter@ptbb2b.girton.cam.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 17:40:20 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 17:40:38 *** HMage [Q@hmage.dialup.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: HMage] 17:41:03 *** HMage [Q@hmage.dialup.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 17:46:40 <simon444> Sacro is back 17:46:49 <simon444> everyone stop talking about sex 17:47:00 <Sacro> :o 17:47:23 <Wolf01> :O 17:47:29 <simon444> <Rubidium> @kick sacro always wanted to do so 17:47:46 <simon444> * Sacro has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 17:47:46 <simon444> <SpComb> or order from pizza hut 17:47:46 <simon444> <Wolf01> ok, let's talk about sex, sacro has been dropped :D 17:47:51 <simon444> <hylje> noboy likes sacro 17:47:56 <simon444> <Rubidium> hylje: exactly, he's the person being kicked most ;) 17:48:41 <Wolf01> but sacro is a good person, he made the daylength patch! ;) 17:49:16 <hylje> lies 17:53:19 <Sacro> hylje: no, it's called "Sacro's daylength patch" 17:54:53 <Wolf01> and is one line of code 17:54:54 <Wolf01> :D 17:54:59 <Sacro> Wolf01: 2 17:55:01 <Sacro> at least 17:55:13 <Wolf01> oh yes, i forgot the comment 17:55:43 <Wolf01> but that was the start for my patch ;) 17:56:08 <Sacro> hehe 17:56:11 <Sacro> no 17:56:18 <Sacro> there was about 4 lines i reckon 17:57:06 <simon444> let me guess the comment was: 17:57:22 <simon444> /* they talk about sex behind my back */ 17:57:38 <SpComb> Sacro: just use the awaylogs :( 17:58:13 <SpComb> you'd get the entire thing as hilights: 17:58:13 <SpComb> 19:40:53 -!- simon444 is now known as sacro 17:58:49 <simon444> fake!! 17:59:14 <simon444> Sacro, that is totally fake 18:00:02 <Sacro> i konw 18:00:35 *** StandartGamer [~thomather@p57AFF6B7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:01:04 <StandartGamer> Hi... 18:01:35 <simon444> hi 18:02:52 <simon444> everyone StandartGamer is here. Lets talk about sex! 18:03:05 <simon444> Rubidium, kick Sacro again. 18:03:17 <StandartGamer> um... yea XD 18:03:29 <Eddi|zuHause3> again someone that did not realise that it is standar_d_ 18:03:34 <Sacro> Rubidium has no powers 18:03:50 *** StandartGamer is now known as StandardGamer 18:03:53 <StandardGamer> there :) 18:04:02 <SpComb> http://spbot.marttila.de:8120/logs/oftc-ottd/273734#a273734 18:05:08 <SpComb> the point of the awaylog is to make all of that automatic 18:05:37 <SpComb> if the awaylog implementation sucks, then tell me why so I can improve it :/ 18:05:44 <Eddi|zuHause3> "Standarte" is something entirely different :) 18:06:02 <simon444> SpComb, lol using your own bot to fake logs 18:06:14 <simon444> SpComb, you have sunk to a new low 18:06:21 <SpComb> ^^ 18:06:45 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A4CD6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:06:49 <simon444> you even say it yourself in that faked log 18:06:58 <simon444> "fake sacro" 18:08:17 <Sacro> right, going out for birthday tea 18:08:18 <Sacro> bye! 18:08:22 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:08:35 <simon444> okay sacro is gone! 18:08:42 <simon444> alright lets start talking 18:10:07 <StandardGamer> so... only English guys here and only one German? 18:10:47 <Eddi|zuHause3> not quite :) 18:11:18 <Eddi|zuHause3> there are quite some dutch and several germans in here 18:11:49 <hylje> dutn+1 dutch 18:11:50 <Eddi|zuHause3> and a few people from odd countries... 18:11:54 *** lolman [~john@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:11:57 <StandardGamer> ok i'm getting tired to try to connect to your puplic server for some watching 18:12:05 <hylje> how many from even countries? 18:12:11 *** JazzyJaffa [~ben@fwnat-pub-1.physics.ox.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:12:19 <Eddi|zuHause3> yes. 18:16:41 <StandardGamer> *slap* 18:16:54 <Wezz6400> The Netherlands rule! ;) 18:20:39 *** HMage [Q@hmage.dialup.corbina.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:23:12 *** Ionut [nimblex@86.126.35.10] has quit [Quit: * www.Ionut.Lydo.org *] 18:24:21 *** matt4 [~opera@net118.sa.umanitoba.ca] has joined #openttd 18:27:49 *** StandardGamer [~thomather@p57AFF6B7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 18:31:14 *** matt4 [~opera@net118.sa.umanitoba.ca] has left #openttd [] 18:36:56 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r10699 /trunk/src/bridge_map.cpp: -Fix (r10698): bridge middle parts were drawn too high if the southern bridge head has a foundation. 18:38:04 <skidd13> Eureka, I got improved town roads working. 18:40:13 *** matt4 [~opera@net118.sa.umanitoba.ca] has joined #openttd 18:42:27 *** HMage [Q@hmage.dialup.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 18:44:35 *** matt4 [~opera@net118.sa.umanitoba.ca] has left #openttd [] 18:50:13 <Belugas> good going skidd13 :) 18:50:43 <skidd13> Next steps will follow 18:51:04 <UnderBuilder> help: I can't 'remove safely' my mp3 player, when I try to do it, I get an error 'Unit is in use' or something like that (my windows is in spanish, don't know how does the english version look like) 18:51:25 <Belugas> usb? 18:51:31 <Belugas> simply remove it 18:51:32 <UnderBuilder> yes 18:51:43 <UnderBuilder> but it can result damaged 18:51:49 <Belugas> the chance you' ve got somethnig broken by the process are REALLY slim 18:51:50 <skidd13> Is youre explorer open? 18:51:52 <Rubidium> restart windows 18:52:14 <Rubidium> you know you have to reboot Windows at least once a day, don't you? 18:52:45 <skidd13> log out is faster and should fix the problem or kill all processes that might use the player. 18:52:57 <Belugas> i do? damned... must be at least 2 months i have not done so :S 18:53:45 <Digitalfox_Desktop> UnderBuilder: Use Unlocker http://ccollomb.free.fr/unlocker/ it kills any process that could still be using your mp3 player 18:53:59 <Digitalfox_Desktop> Also great for deleting folders and files 18:54:12 <skidd13> If you have a good admin and a nice custumised install windows runs realy smooth. 18:54:16 <Digitalfox_Desktop> I use it for 2 years now and it's freeware 18:54:23 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A4CD6.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 18:54:39 <Rubidium> or attach a debugger at winlogon and then close the debugger (and winlogon). Helps will all kinds of locking issues. 19:03:50 *** peterbrett [~peter@ptbb2b.girton.cam.ac.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:07:06 *** peterbrett [~peter@ptbb2b.girton.cam.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 19:13:35 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:27:23 <UnderBuilder> unlocker says that ctfmon is using the drive 19:27:46 <Prof_Frink> kill it. 19:30:01 *** Zr40 [~zr40@zr40.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 19:33:23 *** Zr40 [~zr40@zr40.xs4all.nl] has quit [] 19:37:18 *** smoovi [smoovi@e178236105.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 19:38:42 *** Mucht_ [~Mucht@p57A0F645.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:38:46 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A43614.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 19:42:06 *** MUcht [~Mucht@p57A0F645.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:44:44 *** Sug [~graeme@88-104-4-208.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 19:46:42 <Sug> hi, I'm getting the FS#956 bug again in 10699 19:48:12 <Rubidium> I don't 19:50:15 <Sug> hmm, its only doing it in a save game now actually 19:50:31 <simon444> lol 19:52:28 <simon444> I find it annoying Google's spell checker has many typos 19:56:55 *** peterbrett [~peter@ptbb2b.girton.cam.ac.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:59:07 <Sug> put it up on flyspray with the savegame anyway 20:00:47 <peter1138> any particular vehicle? 20:00:52 <Sug> any 20:01:08 <simon444> I think in the year 2012 all vehicles should have updates which mount lasers to them! 20:01:12 <simon444> muhahahaha 20:01:29 <Prof_Frink> simon444: There are no sharks in openttd. 20:01:41 <peter1138> well it's not crashing 20:01:46 <Sug> hmmm 20:02:07 <Sug> maybe its just me 20:02:22 <simon444> Prof_Frink, lol. You didn't tune into the news for the past few weeks 20:02:36 <simon444> I think even slashdot covered it 20:02:37 *** Peakki [antti@cs181000195.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: Lähdössä] 20:03:07 <Prof_Frink> simon444: About the 'merican anti-artillery lasertruck thingy? 20:03:34 <simon444> ah yes, http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/07/24/1956256 20:03:48 <Prof_Frink> Was also on El Reg 20:04:07 <simon444> by 2020 everything should be updated to include lasers 20:12:09 <Sug> Got a clean copy of trunk, and it still does it 20:13:12 <Sug> guess I'm not going to be able to change names with that game 20:16:13 <Belugas> 100 20:16:21 <Belugas> mmh 20:16:27 <Belugas> wrong window again 20:16:33 * Belugas minimizes irc 20:17:09 *** Wezz6400 [~not@ndb.demon.nl] has quit [] 20:25:34 *** Sug [~graeme@88-104-4-208.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:26:03 <simon444> w00t 20:32:34 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-226-41-44.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 20:33:35 <simon444> hi Ammler 20:33:50 <simon444> Ammler, how is the transport system by your home? 20:33:55 <Ammler> hmm? 20:34:05 *** Sug [~graeme@88-104-14-164.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 20:36:08 <simon444> Ammler, it was featured in our media today 20:36:32 <simon444> Ammler, they said you have buses going to towns with a population of 12 every hour 20:36:41 <simon444> I assume they are mini-buses 20:37:19 <Ammler> simon444: I guess, they didn't speak about me :) 20:37:34 <simon444> ? 20:38:14 <Ammler> I wasn't here the whole day 20:38:59 <Ammler> no idea about what you are speaking.... 20:39:00 <simon444> what? 20:39:07 <simon444> <simon444> Ammler, how is the transport system by your home? 20:39:50 <Ammler> who said that? 20:42:49 <simon444> <simon444> Ammler, it was featured in our media today 20:43:01 <simon444> Ammler, stop doing drugs 20:43:16 <Belugas> crystal ball required... 20:43:39 <Ammler> :) what a bot is that? 20:44:43 <Belugas> a usefull tool required to decipher obscured users thoughs ;) 20:45:13 <simon444> Ammler, really stop doing drugs 20:45:15 <Rubidium> oh, simon444? just /ignore -replies *!*@*.iinet.net.au ALL 20:45:19 <Belugas> thoughs or delirium.. it depends ! 20:45:26 <simon444> Ammler, you seem braindead 20:46:07 <Ammler> Rubidium: thx 20:46:15 *** Moose^ [~Moose@87.127.122.215] has joined #openttd 20:47:39 *** Tlustoch [~last_evol@vetrnik.koleje.cuni.cz] has joined #openttd 20:48:39 <Tlustoch> You should guys play the game online and learn how the game does _not_ work. 20:51:45 *** Moose^ is now known as Rippsy^ 20:51:46 <Rubidium> huh? 20:52:06 <Belugas> http://bugs.openttd.org to your service Tlustoch 20:52:34 *** Rippsy [~Moose@malcolmi.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:00:52 *** BobingAbout [~BobingAbo@adsl-83-100-227-214.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 21:01:05 *** BobingAbout [~BobingAbo@adsl-83-100-227-214.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [] 21:07:09 *** Zr40 [~zr40@zr40.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 21:12:05 <Belugas> mmh... it's not "to your servive" but "at your service" 21:12:48 <Eddi|zuHause3> yeah, english is weird :p 21:16:40 *** Sug [~graeme@88-104-14-164.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:17:44 <Wolf01> 'night 21:17:52 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host238-162-dynamic.56-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 21:22:48 <simon444> Tlustoch, here here! 21:22:52 <simon444> hear hear! 21:24:45 *** Zr40 [~zr40@zr40.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Zr40] 21:27:41 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A751C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:36:31 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D5F9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:38:16 *** ThomasNL [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:38:56 <ln-> can i ask something? 21:39:04 <ln-> from a developer. 21:46:20 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 21:51:04 *** Koen [~koen@ip51cf3bb3.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #openttd 21:52:38 <Rippsy^> ln-, just ask the question, phrase it politely and if someone knows they will answer 21:53:43 <Koen> Hi guys! what is the most commons reason for pre-signals that won't work 21:54:09 <Koen> As you can see in this http://www.ioniserendestraling.nl/signals.png screenshot, they appear to be broken ;) 21:54:09 <simon444> Koen, bugs 21:54:22 <Koen> it isn't a real complicated track 21:54:48 *** Rippsy [~Moose@87.127.122.215] has joined #openttd 21:55:12 <simon444> Koen, use one way signals 21:55:30 <Koen> for the rest of the track too? 21:55:48 <Rippsy> Koen 21:55:48 <Rippsy> im guessing by 'broken' 21:55:48 <Rippsy> you mean trains wont enter the station 21:56:00 <Rippsy> and its because on the exit all the tracks are connected with out signals, so they count as one piece of track 21:56:16 <ln-> Koen: it's probably best to ignore everything that simon444 says. 21:56:42 <Koen> so, alle the to way signals to one-way should work? 21:56:49 <Rippsy> its the station exit which is at fault 21:57:00 <Rippsy> and stop using twoway signals on single direction track 21:57:04 <Rippsy> it just confuses the path finding :P 21:57:08 <Koen> ok 21:57:15 <simon444> ln-, shut up. what I told him was correct 21:57:19 <Rippsy> lol 21:57:20 <Eddi|zuHause3> Koen: place a signal on each station end 21:57:25 <Koen> well, it's a click more :) 21:57:26 <Koen> ok 21:57:30 <Koen> thanks! 21:57:34 <Rippsy> Koen, if you use the latest nightly its one click for the whole track ;) 21:57:44 <Koen> cool 21:57:51 <Koen> I'll try it later 21:58:09 <Eddi|zuHause3> ctrl+click+drag i believe 21:58:12 <Rippsy> Koen you see how the entrance to the station is.. make the exit the same (as in one piece of straight track then connect them all) and then put one way signals exiting the station 21:58:14 <Rippsy> yup 21:58:17 <Rippsy> ctrl-click-drag-done 21:58:21 <Rippsy> its lurvley :) 21:58:38 <Rippsy> http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Image:Pre-SignalUsage2.png 21:58:39 <Rippsy> there ya go 21:58:42 <Rippsy> thats what it should look like 21:59:13 <Koen> Rippsy: it works, great :) 21:59:25 <Rippsy> now you can make monster stations :P 21:59:32 <Rippsy> *tries to find the kick arse signal guide he found last night* 22:00:34 <simon444> I want to team with someone on a game 22:00:39 *** Rippsy^ [~Moose@87.127.122.215] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:00:42 <simon444> anyone interested? 22:01:02 <Rippsy> not tonight :P 22:01:05 <simon444> I will do the road transport you can do what ever other transport you want 22:01:12 <simon444> Rippsy, pfft it is morning 22:01:20 <Eddi|zuHause3> i am afraid you annoyed the hell out of everyone relevant :p 22:01:36 <simon444> Rippsy, I am a nocturnal human 22:01:47 <simon444> Eddi|zuHause3, yeah like who? 22:01:57 <simon444> Eddi|zuHause3, tell me the truth you all love me 22:02:01 <Eddi|zuHause3> like, everyone... 22:02:15 <Rippsy> simon444, usually I would 22:02:21 <Rippsy> but sadl I have work tomorrow :P 22:02:28 <simon444> Eddi|zuHause3, if I was kidnapped you would pay the ransom 22:02:56 <Eddi|zuHause3> i don't think so... 22:04:12 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:05:26 *** BobingAbout [~BobingAbo@adsl-83-100-227-214.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 22:05:31 *** BobingAbout [~BobingAbo@adsl-83-100-227-214.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [] 22:09:43 *** Sacro [Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 22:09:57 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D5F9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:16:14 <simon444> Eddi|zuHause3, wtf. 22:16:27 *** MUcht [~Mucht@p57A0F6C7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:18:40 <ln-> if i wanted to do something win32-specific in strings.cpp, what's the appropriate way to do it? 22:19:23 <Eddi|zuHause3> #ifdef win32? 22:20:03 <ln-> that's how i'm doing it now, but i very strongly doubt it's the appropriate way. 22:21:06 <Rubidium> ln-: depends whether it needs to be ported to non windows platforms or not 22:21:14 <Rubidium> and what it exactly is 22:22:04 <ln-> an alternative implementation for GetCurrentLocale() basically. 22:22:43 <ln-> the getenv-based which is currently used, is completely "portable", but does not give useful results on WIN32, as far as i know. 22:23:00 *** Mucht_ [~Mucht@p57A0F645.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:28:41 *** elmex [~elmex@e180065029.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:30:12 <Eddi|zuHause3> lmao -> http://www.hensleys.de/custom/owned_by_kids.jpg :p 22:31:04 <skidd13> rofl 22:33:35 <ln-> 1) is that really an LCD fernseher anyway.. 22:34:00 <Eddi|zuHause3> what else would it be? 22:34:21 <ln-> a regular crt fernseher. 22:34:56 <ln-> it's not particularly big, and it's not right next to the wall so there is room for the tube behind it. 22:35:11 <Eddi|zuHause3> i have no idea 22:35:39 <Eddi|zuHause3> it's not mine (fortunately :)) 22:35:39 <skidd13> Hooray the North American Road Set is out 22:35:50 <ln-> 2) the floor, which is not even mentioned, might be one of the most expensive things to fix. 22:37:36 <Eddi|zuHause3> the floor might be more expensive, but less important to fix 22:38:30 <Eddi|zuHause3> and it 22:38:40 <Eddi|zuHause3> 's certainly is not necessary for the joke :) 22:38:59 <glx> looks like an eurocard ads remake 22:39:15 <ln-> that picture has been floating around for some time without those texts attached. 22:39:46 *** JazzyJaffa [~ben@85-211-142-91.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 22:40:27 <ln-> Rubidium: would it be an acceptable solution to place GetCurrentLocale within #ifndef WIN32 in strings.cpp and implement it win32.cpp? 22:44:17 <simon444> Eddi|zuHause3, VERY old 22:44:27 <simon444> also photoshopped 22:45:20 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A751C.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 22:46:10 <Eddi|zuHause3> simon444: so what? 22:48:14 <ln-> simon444: you mean Enhanced with Adobe(R) Photoshop(r). 22:48:25 <simon444> lol 22:57:06 <Rippsy> Eddi|zuHause3 floor is easy, sand it down, polish it up - assuming its real wood 22:57:13 <Rippsy> not crappy pretend wood in which case they deserve it 22:58:33 *** Tlustoch [~last_evol@vetrnik.koleje.cuni.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:02:32 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387C48C.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 23:02:46 *** Sacro [Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:03:06 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 23:04:42 *** JazzyJaffa [~ben@85-211-142-91.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:05:03 <ln-> so 23:05:05 <ln-> it's ready. 23:05:36 <simon444> what? 23:06:05 *** BobingAbout [~BobingAbo@adsl-83-100-227-214.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 23:06:09 *** BobingAbout [~BobingAbo@adsl-83-100-227-214.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [] 23:06:50 <Eddi|zuHause3> water's wet. 23:06:55 *** JazzyJaffa [~jazzy@85-211-142-91.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 23:07:22 <simon444> Eddi|zuHause3, no it is not 23:07:36 <simon444> Eddi|zuHause3, that is a common myth 23:07:47 <Rippsy> simon444, define wet 23:08:17 *** Koen [~koen@ip51cf3bb3.direct-adsl.nl] has left #openttd [] 23:08:49 <simon444> Covered or soaked with a liquid, such as water. 23:09:03 <Prof_Frink> Rippsy: Having to collect your kids from school in a hovercraft 23:09:20 <Rippsy> Prof_Frink, only counts if you have a racing hovercraft and get in the local paper 23:09:35 <Prof_Frink> Rippsy: And on the BBC wobsite 23:09:40 <Rippsy> simon444, so by its very definition water is wet since to be wet is to be covered in water 23:09:41 <ln-> does anyone care to try it? 23:09:45 <ln-> probably not. 23:09:59 <Eddi|zuHause3> and you want to tell me that water is not covered in water? 23:10:23 <simon444> Eddi|zuHause3, yes 23:11:11 <Eddi|zuHause3> i kinda lack windows to try it :p 23:12:52 <ln-> tomorrow i could try to add yet another implementation for the macintosh. 23:31:00 *** JazzyJaffa [~jazzy@85-211-142-91.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:31:56 *** Mucht_ [~Mucht@p57A0EE1B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:35:41 *** MUcht [~Mucht@p57A0F6C7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:42:09 *** smoovi [smoovi@e178236105.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:46:05 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Tschüß] 23:47:36 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Leaving]