Log for #openttd on 8th August 2007:
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00:01:23  <Eddi|zuHause2> in mathematics it is especially used with functions that are not denoted by names, e.g. ||.|| for a norm, or <.,.> for a scalar product
00:01:51  <Eddi|zuHause2> without having the need to give a name for the parameter
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00:03:19  <aneb> um, i " "'d the parameters but its still not showing
00:03:34  <Eddi|zuHause2> in Haskell there's a similar construct, when you give _ on the left side of a definition, it means "ignore whatever parameter comes here"
00:03:35  <glx> say test
00:03:35  <glx> [Tous] : test
00:03:35  <glx> say test with space
00:03:35  <glx> - Chat to your fellow players in a multiplayer game. Usage: 'say "<msg>"'
00:03:35  <glx> say "test with space"
00:03:36  <glx> [Tous] : test with space
00:03:48  <glx> just tried in a dedi server console
00:04:28  <aneb> glx: ^
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00:07:24  <aneb> Eddi|zuHause2: ok...
00:07:44  <aneb> hmm no
00:07:50  <aneb> not it
00:08:26  <Eddi|zuHause2> aneb: wrong permissions for the .scr file?
00:08:38  <Eddi|zuHause2> or the dir?
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00:09:41  <glx> it may be easier to install openttd in ~/openttd
00:09:41  <TrueBrain> which tool can make a screenshot under KDE?
00:09:58  <glx> xsomething :)
00:10:04  <glx> or ksomething
00:10:27  <Eddi|zuHause2> ksnapshot
00:10:30  <TrueBrain> I thought ksnapshot
00:10:31  <TrueBrain> but..
00:10:32  <TrueBrain> hmm
00:10:34  <TrueBrain> maybe just not installed
00:10:34  <TrueBrain> :p
00:10:49  <TrueBrain> tnx Eddi|zuHause2
00:11:03  <TrueBrain> darn, 0211 already..
00:11:08  <TrueBrain> time goes fast when you are having fun
00:11:29  <Eddi|zuHause2> it opens automatically for me if i press the "print" key
00:15:03  <TrueBrain>
00:15:05  <TrueBrain> aint it pretty?
00:16:35  <Eddi|zuHause2> wtf @ the heliport... :p
00:23:15  <TrueBrain> am I missing anything?
00:24:24  <Eddi|zuHause2> well, it might be the normal graphics... i don't think i ever used them in TTD... i just find the picture strange...
00:24:44  <TrueBrain> oh, it is toyland
00:24:53  <TrueBrain> and I ment: do you think the website is missing anything? :)
00:24:53  <TrueBrain> hehe
00:25:52  <Eddi|zuHause2> yeah, i think the "flat" tile is not actually flat, but a steep slope...
00:26:00  <TrueBrain> you are right, but that is content
00:26:03  <TrueBrain> I ment design :)
00:26:36  <Eddi|zuHause2> i don't know much about design...
00:26:45  <TrueBrain> look at it
00:26:54  <TrueBrain> think what you would want from a website that shows 32bpp replacement graphics
00:26:57  <TrueBrain> look at it again
00:27:00  <TrueBrain> tell me what you miss
00:27:00  <TrueBrain> :p
00:28:14  <Eddi|zuHause2> a filter mechanism... like "show only my pictures", "show only pictures where i did not upload a picture", "show only pictures with no new picture"
00:28:29  <TrueBrain> k, noted
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00:29:05  <Eddi|zuHause2> "show new pictures since ## days"
00:29:15  <TrueBrain> but beside filters?
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00:30:03  <Eddi|zuHause2> an "upload picture" button in every row maybe?
00:30:43  <TrueBrain> that will be per image I guess
00:30:50  <TrueBrain> not sure yet, as you might want to do some mass uploading
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00:31:18  <Eddi|zuHause2> yeah, that can be done at a different place...
00:31:42  <Eddi|zuHause2> and maybe some voting system
00:31:46  <aneb> OK...
00:31:48  <TrueBrain> ah, voting
00:31:50  <TrueBrain> that I forgot :)
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00:42:35  <aneb> dang it
00:42:41  <aneb> exec doesnt work.
00:43:27  <aneb> i type rcon <pw> "exec scripts/on_server_connect.scr 0" and it does not echo.
00:44:32  <aneb> at all
00:47:18  <aneb> ok,  i tried 1 instead of 0 and it gives me a error
00:47:55  <aneb> that the script file isnt found
00:48:24  * Wezz6400 is still away. Reason: blaat - Current time: 02:48. (Since 01:48/August 8th) (Pager: on Log: on)
00:48:28  <aneb> guys
00:48:57  <TrueBrain> @kick Wezz6400 please disable ALL auto-away message blabla in this channel; tnx
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00:49:20  <aneb> TrueBrain: can you help?
00:49:21  <Eddi|zuHause2> aneb: checked the permissions?
00:50:10  <TrueBrain> aneb: nope
00:50:25  <aneb> Eddi|zuHause2: -rw-r--r-- 1 kyle kyle 264 2007-08-07 20:00 /usr/games/scripts/on_server_connect.scr
00:50:37  <Eddi|zuHause2> and the directory?
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00:50:49  <Wezz6400> hmm sorry about that, configuration error
00:50:53  <TrueBrain> np :)
00:51:03  <aneb> drwxr-xr-x 2 root root    4096 2007-08-07 19:24 scripts
00:51:11  <Wezz6400> stupid documentation isn't very clear
00:51:25  <Wezz6400> I figured it would only work on queries, but I guess channels are queries too :X
00:51:28  <TrueBrain> and oh, it gives me a good enjoyment to kick someone from time to time :)
00:52:00  <Wezz6400> lol
00:52:24  <Wezz6400> this is not even the only channel I was kicked from
00:52:41  <TrueBrain> :) I like all those channels which did kick you
00:53:48  <TrueBrain> I should document more what I do on my local computer
00:53:55  <TrueBrain> I can't even find the simplest things back :)
00:54:29  <aneb> Eddi|zuHause2: i gave the permissions.
00:55:16  <TrueBrain> ah, there it is :)
00:55:29  <Eddi|zuHause2> aneb: then i don't know any further either
00:55:35  <Wezz6400> blegh
00:55:43  <Wezz6400> that script is gone now
00:55:48  <Wezz6400> too much crap in there
00:57:42  <Wezz6400> hmm
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00:58:21  <Wezz6400> I'm trying to write/get a script to display users which have set away in a different color, but the only way to do that seems to be to whois every single user, that can't be a good idea :X
00:58:45  <TrueBrain> my client does it automatic :)
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00:58:56  <Wezz6400> yeah I know there are a couple that do that
01:00:08  <Eddi|zuHause2> mine does, too, but i think it does not update the status often enough
01:00:09  <Wezz6400> however running xchat on windows isn't free :\
01:02:29  <Wezz6400> Eddi|zuHause2 what client do you use?
01:02:51  <Eddi|zuHause2> /ctcp version?
01:03:18  <Eddi|zuHause2> but i don't think that will help you any further for windows :p
01:03:31  <Wezz6400> hehe
01:04:18  <Wezz6400> I'm thinking about windows, but working on a game using C# and XNA (not my choice) that means that even then I'll be using windows for quite some time
01:04:25  <Wezz6400> thinking about linux*
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01:13:09  <Eddi|zuHause2> you can run virtual windows :)
01:13:55  <Eddi|zuHause2> (might cause problem with anything running directx though... i'm not sure how far they are with that)
01:14:01  <Wezz6400> hmm well
01:14:16  <Wezz6400> being able to run Visual Studio Express would solve the problem mostly
01:17:56  <TrueBrain> 0317
01:17:57  <TrueBrain> hmm
01:18:01  <TrueBrain> I really should get some sleep I guess
01:18:05  <Eddi|zuHause2> some dev once mentioned to use visual studio in virtual windows
01:18:06  <Wezz6400> true
01:18:14  <Eddi|zuHause2> might have been darkvater
01:19:07  <Wezz6400> virtual dx isnt going to work, virtual machines only simulate simple graphics
01:20:30  <Eddi|zuHause2> that might just be a problem of using (writing) the right driver
01:20:43  <Wezz6400> hmm
01:21:04  <Wezz6400> a virtual machine simulates the hardware, you have to write a simulation of dx9 hardware to do that
01:21:30  <Eddi|zuHause2> no, a virtual machine does not simulate anything
01:22:01  <Eddi|zuHause2> it just replaces certain low level commands with higher level ones
01:22:54  <Wezz6400> hmm
01:23:02  <Wezz6400> that makes sense
01:23:12  <Eddi|zuHause2> at that point you can interfere to not replace commands that are meant for the graphics card, just route them through
01:23:25  <Wezz6400> but still, I don think advanced gpus have ever been properly virtualized
01:27:55  <Phazorx> it just replaces certain low level commands with higher level ones < that's "emulate" rather than "simulate"
01:29:13  <Phazorx> however DX wont work with approach for sure since that would eman rendering wil lbe done by software... OGL/A3D on the other hand - quitte possible
01:31:11  <Wezz6400> unfortunatly that doesn't help me much
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01:32:34  <TrueBrain> hmm, importing 1000 images is SLOW!
01:33:27  <Eddi|zuHause3> get faster $GADGET
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01:44:57  <TrueBrain> running an even bigger import
01:44:58  <TrueBrain> brrr
01:45:05  <TrueBrain> 8059 sprites...
01:45:10  <TrueBrain> that is what OpenTTD needs to work
01:48:23  <TrueBrain> 10 MiB worth of data when converting original grfs to PNGs
01:48:26  <TrueBrain> each one in a single file
01:48:53  <Wezz6400> :o
01:55:53  <TrueBrain> it is still running...
01:56:15  <Wezz6400> at 4 am :X
01:56:29  <TrueBrain> yeah, I really should find my bed
01:56:33  <TrueBrain> oh, it is right at my feet
01:56:34  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: richk * r10825 /branches/NewGRF_ports/ (4 files in 3 dirs):
01:56:34  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: [NewGRF_ports] -Feature: Airport subtype (prop 20) is now read. This restricts buildlist and usage of airports to the selected vehicle subtype.
01:56:34  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: Added Seaplanes as new subtype for Airports; bit3=1, value 0x08.
01:56:34  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: TODO: add Seaplane subtype to aircraft; build, etc.
01:57:28  <TrueBrain> @calc 588800 / 8059
01:57:28  <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: 73.0611738429
01:57:33  <TrueBrain> 73 bytes per record
01:57:34  <TrueBrain> not bad
01:58:31  <Wezz6400> this is not good
01:58:51  <Wezz6400> it's friggin 4 am but still irc has enough people on to talk to
01:59:07  <TrueBrain> you know there is a whole other continent we call USA
01:59:42  <Wezz6400> I know, but I'm mostly talking to Dutch people
02:01:10  <TrueBrain>
02:01:11  <TrueBrain> yeah babu
02:01:12  <TrueBrain> yeah baby
02:02:21  <Wezz6400> yiha ;)
02:07:34  <Wezz6400> hmm bed time
02:07:46  <TrueBrain> night Wezz6400
02:07:49  <Wezz6400> at least you're doing something usefull
02:07:57  <Wezz6400> I'm doing nothing :X
02:08:33  <Wezz6400> well nothing other than wrecking valuable time tomorrow which I should spend learning c++ and c#/xna :X
02:08:36  <TrueBrain>
02:08:44  <TrueBrain> So, let's both go to bed
02:08:45  <TrueBrain> ngiht all!
02:08:54  <Wezz6400> a different bed though ;)
02:08:58  <Wezz6400> :w
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02:09:04  <TrueBrain> Please, let it be a different bed!!
02:10:05  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: richk * r10826 /branches/NewGRF_ports/src/ (saveload.cpp station_cmd.cpp): [NewGRF_ports] -Change: Added save of FSMport_flood_protected.
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02:34:48  <simon444> tatada
02:34:59  <simon444> openteeteedee
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07:59:06  <hylje> hmm
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08:35:17  <TrueBrain> morning all
08:38:09  <Ammler> hi all, I like to activate a Firewall on my VPS, but openttd should still be functional.
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08:40:42  <Noldo> VPS?
08:41:02  <Ammler> I default policy is deny
08:41:09  <Ammler> virtual private server
08:41:20  <Noldo> !ports
08:41:25  <Noldo> plaah
08:41:29  <Maedhros> @openttd port
08:41:30  <DorpsGek> Maedhros: OpenTTD uses TCP and UDP port 3979 for server <-> client communication and UDP port 3978 for masterserver (advsertise) communication (outbound)
08:42:08  <Ammler> hmm, yeah liked to write it now, I opened TCP from 3979 to 82 and UDP 3978 to 82
08:42:43  <Noldo> from and to meaning what?
08:43:35  <Ammler> the range 3979:3982
08:44:13  <Noldo> ok,should be good
08:44:34  <Ammler> the firewall settings are made in the control panel
08:45:26  <Ammler> behind it is iptables
08:46:10  <Ammler> hmm, maybe someone of you know server4you? or how such virtual server systems work? Are there any known problems?
08:46:27  <TrueBrain> why would there?
08:47:11  <Ammler> I took recommend settings for usual web/mail server and added only these 2 rulesets
08:50:30  <DaleStan> Who's in charge of DorpsGek? I don't believe that's the correct spelling of "advsertise", regardless of which side of the pond you're on.
08:53:28  <Ammler>
08:53:46  <Ammler> someone able to see something wrong here ^^^?
08:55:46  <Ammler> btw, web is still possible
08:56:39  <Ammler> hmm, maybe, there is an other problem
08:57:07  <Ammler> its the autopilot from brianetta, does it also need a open port?
08:58:39  <Ammler> yep, the server is still on the public list, (why didn't I found it before? :/ stupid me
08:59:01  <Farden> if you're talking about the openTTDcoop public server, i'm on it
08:59:10  <Ammler> no, I don't
08:59:15  <Farden> ok
08:59:27  <Ammler> this server are on brianettas box
09:00:48  <Ammler> the irc bridge of brianetta's autopilot works as client, does it need a special open port anyway? If yes, which?
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09:02:46  <Eddi|zuHause3> IRC usually only needs outgoing connections
09:06:54  <Ammler> hmm, tried to make telnet connection to on port 6667, doesn't work on the server
09:08:01  <Ammler> outpound connection is allow
09:08:17  <Ammler> b
09:09:36  <Ammler> I'm able to connect i.e. port 25 on an other server
09:09:52  <Ammler> possible that "upper" ports are closed?
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09:17:59  <Ammler> jipii, open port 6667 for remote did help, but I'm still a liitle bit confuse...
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09:53:12  <TrueBrain> hi Nickman
09:53:18  <TrueBrain>
09:53:19  <TrueBrain>
09:53:21  <TrueBrain>
09:54:52  <hylje> microprose logo is somewhat corny
09:55:01  <Nickman> hi TrueBrain ;) I'll take a look
09:56:23  <Nickman> looks good, you already made that piece? :)
09:56:51  <TrueBrain> that is finished, yes
09:57:06  <TrueBrain> I am toying around with a new framework to build websites on, and I thought I could best try it on something real
09:57:15  <Nickman> but if like 10 users submit a new helipad image, the page will be streched alot won't it? :)
09:57:25  <TrueBrain> Yup
09:57:27  <Nickman> what kind of framework?
09:57:34  <TrueBrain> Django
09:57:49  <TrueBrain> design-wise it needs work, that's for sure
09:58:11  <Nickman> yeah :D
09:59:56  <hylje> layout or daa wise?
10:00:01  <hylje> data
10:00:07  <TrueBrain> layout
10:00:11  <Eddi|zuHause3> looking-pretty-wise :)
10:01:15  <Eddi|zuHause3> i have a feeling that prepending words with "-wise" is a "germanism" :p
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10:01:46  <louisa> hello :)
10:01:49  <hylje> -wiselayout ?
10:01:58  <Eddi|zuHause3> err...
10:02:01  <Eddi|zuHause3> wrong word
10:02:22  <hylje> append :)
10:03:13  <Eddi|zuHause3> annex :)
10:04:42  <Nickman> Maybe if you see that the page is going to be streched way to long, you could make a simple javascript to let the users open or close certain tiles?
10:04:52  <TrueBrain> Nickman: easy to add
10:04:59  <Nickman> like, you place a simple text : "There are 15 user submissions"
10:05:07  <Nickman> and when they want to see them they have to click it ;)
10:05:16  <TrueBrain> and maybe show the one with the best score
10:05:19  <Nickman> yeah :)
10:05:22  <Nickman> indeed ;)
10:05:32  <TrueBrain> all very easy possible
10:05:37  <Nickman> But that can be added afterwards ofcource :)
10:05:43  <TrueBrain> that is just templating, so
10:05:47  <Nickman> indeed :)
10:06:52  <Nickman> now you need a voting system ;)
10:06:57  <TrueBrain> already done in fact
10:07:07  <Nickman> Will visitors be able to vote or only registered ones?
10:07:08  <Nickman> :D
10:07:09  <TrueBrain> you just can't give the vote, neither can you upload
10:07:14  <Nickman> hehe :D
10:07:15  <TrueBrain> only registered ones
10:07:22  <TrueBrain> inf act, you can only see the original PNGs if you are logged in
10:07:36  <Nickman> good :)
10:07:44  <TrueBrain> as on register, you sign that you have the original TT, and thereby are allowed to view the PNGs
10:07:46  <Nickman> I'm off to lunch now, be back in a short while ;)
10:07:53  <TrueBrain> as in theory it is kind of illegal to just post them :p
10:08:02  <Nickman> good thinking ;)
10:08:30  <Eddi|zuHause3> i already wondered how you work your way around that one :p
10:10:09  <TrueBrain> my way isn't legal too I guess, but at least I tried
10:11:06  <Noldo> make some javascript magic that uses local data files to show the pictures ;)
10:11:13  <TrueBrain> hylje: do you have a good login/logout/profile plugin?
10:11:21  <TrueBrain> I found a few on the web, but you might have a better one? :p
10:11:44  <TrueBrain> Noldo: they are extracted, no way javascript is ever going able to do that
10:11:50  <TrueBrain> bad english, bah
10:14:17  <hylje> TrueBrain: ive got a homebrew one.
10:14:47  <TrueBrain> ah, k, so nevermind :)
10:14:48  <TrueBrain> tnx :)
10:16:35  <hylje> ;)
10:20:10  <TrueBrain> I can't seem to get login to work :(
10:20:12  <TrueBrain> poor me
10:21:37  <hylje> i recall having problems with that too
10:23:03  <TrueBrain> at least the admin sees that I am logged in :p
10:23:36  <hylje> then login works but your stuff doesnt
10:23:38  <hylje> ;)
10:23:56  <TrueBrain> it tells me that {{ user.username }} should work in templates, without any other code
10:23:57  <TrueBrain> :(
10:24:07  <hylje> yes, it should
10:24:20  <hylje> make sure you have auth middleware active
10:24:25  <hylje> on that request
10:24:36  <TrueBrain> is by default
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10:25:45  <hylje> also context processors and RequestContext
10:26:07  <TrueBrain> the docs say they are enabled by default, even if they aren't in
10:26:35  <hylje> yes. but if you render the page without RequestContext context processors dont kick in
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10:27:27  <TrueBrain> they are supposed to make it easier :)
10:27:38  <hylje> django still has gotchas
10:27:57  <TrueBrain> clearly :)
10:27:58  <TrueBrain> tnx hylje :)
10:28:11  <proller> svn + cygwnn = linker error 8(
10:28:33  <TrueBrain> now it works, yeah!
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10:31:53  <TrueBrain> proller: you really have to give a tiny bit more information before anyone starts to help you
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10:38:09  <Nickman> TrueBrain, that is why I don't use any CMS :)
10:38:25  <TrueBrain> Nickman: who talked about CMS?
10:39:00  <Nickman> That funny framework you are using?
10:39:15  <TrueBrain> it isn't really a CMS
10:39:28  <Nickman> ah
10:39:37  <Nickman> what kind of framework is it then?
10:39:49  <TrueBrain> it is a framework :) Hehe
10:40:16  <Nickman> :D
10:40:41  <hylje> it provides facilities you're going to need anyway
10:40:48  <hylje> and thats it
10:41:03  <TrueBrain> and either you already made a framework that gives you the thinks they provide, or you are duplicating it every time
10:42:20  <Nickman> ;)
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10:42:32  <simon444> thing
10:42:36  <simon444> not thinks
10:42:41  <simon444> silly man
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10:48:24  <Nickman> so, now we need guidelines and we will be into buisiness? :D
10:49:03  <TrueBrain> yup
10:49:23  <hylje> :o
10:49:30  <Nickman> w000t :D
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11:07:56  <TrueBrain> and now it is time to play a little game
11:07:58  <TrueBrain> Just Cause
11:07:58  <TrueBrain> yeah!
11:08:10  <hylje> :o
11:08:14  <Nickman> wich game? ;)
11:09:21  <TrueBrain> Just Cause
11:09:32  <hylje> how punny
11:10:09  <Nickman> hehe
11:10:11  <Nickman> hf ;)
11:11:06  <Nickman> I'm gonna reboot ;)
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11:16:24  <hylje> now devs can review patches' prowess
11:17:57  <Maedhros> prowess?
11:18:35  <hylje> quality
11:19:21  <Maedhros> ah. prowess probably wasn't the word you wanted then :)
11:19:35  <hylje> it can be expressed in more than one wa
11:19:36  <hylje> y
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11:19:53  <Nickman> back ;)
11:21:12  <Maedhros> prowess is a form of skill that people have rather than a quality
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11:22:45  <TrueBrain> hmm, I wish OpenTTD had good PBS :p
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11:23:08  <Maedhros> you're not the only one :)
11:23:25  <Nickman> hehe :D
11:23:30  <Nickman> make it? :D
11:23:38  <hylje> great, two devs annoyed by the lack of PBS
11:23:43  <Nickman> I would like to make patches but the code it very vague to me :D
11:24:00  <TrueBrain> Nickman: in fact, coding the PBS wouldn't be the problem, coming up with a good design plan is
11:24:07  <Nickman> ;)
11:24:37  <Nickman> any good progress on the NoAI branch BTW?
11:25:30  <TrueBrain> not recently
11:25:33  <TrueBrain> but ships are done
11:25:59  <Nickman> ;)
11:26:09  <Nickman> My AI can build busroutes :p
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11:27:27  <TrueBrain> this channel now is one very happy person richer
11:27:33  <TrueBrain> Nickman: yeah!
11:27:41  <Nickman> hehe :D
11:31:22  <TrueBrain> so what other great awesome feature should we add...
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11:32:22  <TrueBrain> and the happyness was autokilled
11:40:38  <Nickman> hehe
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11:44:10  <Ammler> Is the goal of the selfmade-ai, that you can play a MP game and when you have to go (work, etc.), you can acitvate your ai?
11:44:22  <TrueBrain> not the goal at all
11:44:25  <TrueBrain> but it should be possible
11:44:35  <Nickman> sounds cool though... :)
11:44:50  <Ammler> its like chees computers
11:45:03  <Ammler> who makes the best ai
11:45:37  <Ammler> hmm, not chees, chess
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11:58:28  <TrueBrain> pompiedom
12:01:40  <eekee> ba-dom
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12:44:02  <Nickman> so...
12:44:24  <Noldo> diipadaapa
12:45:04  <Noldo> work coding isn't that motivating when you are waiting to get home to freetime code
12:45:41  <Nickman> lol :d
12:47:03  <eekee> heh
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12:53:49  <hylje> hmm
12:54:26  <hylje> developer-privileged people could now thumbs-up or thumbs-down the patch properties
12:55:01  <hylje> but there's no in between except before any choice is made
12:55:04  <hylje> should there be?
12:56:31  <eekee> hmmm
12:56:47  <hylje>
12:56:56  <hylje>
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12:57:44  <Ronin|afk> aloha
12:57:55  <eekee> allo
12:58:38  <Ronin|afk> is there a faq somewhere with advanced multiplayer help? I have a game, which is listed on the  servers page : ( but my friends cant see it ingame
12:59:20  <glx> so they have a problem :)
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13:00:00  <Ronin|afk> they have a problem?
13:00:08  <Ronin|afk> If I open a 2nd instance of the game I cant see it myself either
13:00:09  <Ronin|afk> heh
13:00:32  <glx> if your server is in the servers page then it is correctly configured
13:01:01  <glx> are your friends in the same network as you ?
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13:01:13  <Ronin|afk> nope
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13:02:16  <glx> can they see other servers?
13:02:47  <Ronin|afk> yep they can
13:02:48  <Ronin|afk> its just me
13:03:11  <Ronin|afk> could someone maybe try if they find it? Cluster29_Ronin
13:03:12  <Ronin|afk> its called
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13:06:08  <glx> ?
13:06:24  <Ronin|afk> nope
13:06:38  <Ronin|afk>
13:06:54  <Wezz6400> Ronin|afk: are you sure they have the same version of openttd?
13:07:03  <Ronin|afk> yes
13:07:07  <glx> that's the only Cluster29 I can see
13:07:17  <Ronin|afk> see more people have the problem
13:07:28  <Ronin|afk> I have the same version as Cluster29 one
13:12:17  <glx> that's weird I can see it even if I add its IP
13:13:05  <Ronin|afk> you can
13:13:06  <Ronin|afk> ?
13:13:18  <Ronin|afk> thats weird
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13:13:25  <Ronin|afk> because with a 2nd instance of the game
13:13:27  <Ronin|afk> I can't see it!
13:13:31  <Ronin|afk> and that must be the same version :/
13:13:44  <glx> I can't sorry :)
13:14:13  <glx> Rubidium, TrueBrain: how can this happen ?
13:14:31  <glx> the server is visible on the server page, but not ingame
13:15:52  <Rubidium> he allows connections from the masterserver and not from the others
13:16:25  <Ronin|afk> how did I do that?
13:16:25  <Ronin|afk> heh
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13:19:49  <Wezz6400> check your firewall configuration I guess
13:20:09  <Ronin|afk> well I forwarded the openttd port
13:20:27  <TrueBrain> I have it in my list
13:20:37  <TrueBrain> oh wait
13:20:38  <TrueBrain> lol
13:20:43  <TrueBrain> Ronin|afk: change your servername
13:20:52  <Ronin|afk> ?
13:21:06  <TrueBrain> just for the fun of it :)
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13:25:44  <Ronin|afk> I renamed it TrueBrain
13:26:11  <hylje> you evil person
13:26:35  <TrueBrain> UDP seems blocked from all but MasterServer
13:27:08  <TrueBrain> my client can't see you for example
13:28:35  <Ronin|afk> hmm
13:28:40  <Ronin|afk> and what can I do about it?
13:28:47  <TrueBrain> configure your firewall correctly
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13:30:08  <Ronin|afk> yeh im not the firewall expert heh
13:30:13  <Ronin|afk> is there anyone who could help me with that
13:30:31  <Ronin|afk> I just forwarded the 3979 port via UDP and TCP to my IP in the network
13:30:35  <Ronin|afk> and I thought thats all you have to do :/
13:30:42  <TrueBrain> it should
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13:32:12  <Wezz6400> sounds like you have configured your router well, but did you think of any firewall on your pc?
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13:34:52  <Ronin|afk2> oki back
13:35:27  <Ronin|afk2> sorry, I dont know who asked, but my pc firewall is shut down
13:36:30  <Ronin|afk2> hm
13:36:35  <glx> and I can see you :)
13:36:55  <TrueBrain> glx: also in the gamelist?
13:37:07  <glx> yes it is in the game list
13:37:16  <Ronin|afk2> oh
13:37:17  <Ronin|afk2> coolio
13:37:18  <TrueBrain> I have
13:37:29  <TrueBrain> SERVER OFFLINE
13:37:47  <glx> it's online here
13:38:04  <TrueBrain> so who knows what the problem is..
13:38:36  <Ronin|afk2> its offline if I try to join it myself
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13:39:16  <glx> that may be your router, try to join the local IP
13:40:29  <Ronin|afk2> oh I can see it too no
13:40:35  <Ronin|afk2> I havent changed anything :/
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13:52:13  <dihedral> hi
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14:07:23  <aneb> glx: i had the same problem as Ronin, maybe his router doesnt support loopback
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14:16:41  <Niki-> hi
14:18:17  <Rubidium> hi
14:18:18  <Nickman> hi
14:18:31  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r10827 /trunk/src/oldpool.h: -Fix [FS#1112]: out of bounds access in corner case of list allocations of vehicles.
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14:56:10  <Taebs> mhhh i have again a question ^^
14:56:36  <Taebs> how to open/start a map, with a seed? --> dedicated server
14:57:18  <glx> set the seed in cfg
14:57:25  <glx> or openttd -D -G seed
14:57:32  <Taebs> wich command?
14:57:54  <Eddi|zuHause3> openttd -h
14:57:55  <Taebs> and when the server is already on and i will start a new map?
14:58:07  <Taebs> ... mom i will try it ^^
14:58:20  <peter1138> your mum needs to know?
14:58:31  <Taebs> moment =
14:59:04  <Eddi|zuHause3> it's a quite common abbreviation in german...
15:01:00  <Eddi|zuHause3>        8bpp-simple: 8bpp Simple Blitter (relative slow, but never wrong) <<-- shouldn't that be "relatively"?
15:02:17  <peter1138> yes
15:02:42  <Eddi|zuHause3> do i have to file a bugreport? :p
15:10:39  <Tlustoch> How do I check if list<int> already has some int in it?
15:11:27  <Eddi|zuHause3> size, length, whatever?
15:11:47  <Taebs> i dont understand it O.o
15:12:01  <Taebs> example?
15:12:29  <Ammller> openttd: /home/ottdcoop/svn-public/src/oldpool.h:113: T* OldMemoryPool<T>::Get(uint) const [with T = Vehicle]: Assertion `index < this->GetSize()' failed.
15:12:35  <Tlustoch> I mean if I have some int in the list<int>, how do I check if the int is already in the list?
15:12:40  <Ammller> with nightly r10814
15:13:29  <Maedhros> Ammller: looks like Rubidium fixed that one in r10872
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15:14:31  <Ammller> Maedhros: do you mean 27?
15:14:35  <Ammller> !openttd commit
15:14:36  <_42_> Commit by rubidium :: r10827 /trunk/src/oldpool.h (2007-08-08 14:18:05 UTC)
15:14:38  <_42_> -Fix [FS#1112]: out of bounds access in corner case of list allocations of vehicles.
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15:19:35  <Maedhros> err, yes
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15:39:51  <Ammller> hmm, why does already replaced trains still go to depot on autoreplace?
15:44:20  <Ammller> take it back, now it works, strange...
15:45:15  <Rubidium> because the trains are "just" being serviced instead of autoreplaced
15:49:03  <Ammller> Rubidium: thats usually of
15:49:06  <Ammller> f
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15:55:24  <aneb> is there a better way to talk to all, like / ?
15:55:50  <Ammller> I know its 3. time today im asking that, but is the client limit just a hardcoded const where could be rised easily or is there much developement needed, we couldn't patch it self
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16:08:04  <Eddi|zuHause3> Ammller: i am pretty certain that it will not be done in any nightly in the near future, so you should change it yourself and compile
16:08:44  <Ammller> Eddi|zuHause3: we tried but couldn't
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16:09:45  <Eddi|zuHause3> you couldn't what? compile? edit? it didn't work?
16:09:52  <Ammller> make the patch
16:10:42  <Ammller> I didn't find the part where this limit is managed
16:13:34  <Eddi|zuHause3> how about this line? src/network/network.h:41:#define MAX_CLIENTS (MAX_PLAYERS + 3)
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16:16:52  <Ammller> Eddi|zuHause3: Do you think, it has to be done for every client or is patching server enough?
16:17:10  <Eddi|zuHause3> it has to be done for every client
16:17:14  <Eddi|zuHause3> that was already said multiple times
16:17:41  <Ammller> yeah, and why is it not possible to change just one little line for nightly?
16:18:01  <Eddi|zuHause3> because it is nothing short of a "hack"
16:18:29  <glx> hmm this #define explain why you can have 11 clients I think :)
16:19:00  <Ammller> 8+3
16:19:22  <Eddi|zuHause3> yeah, there must be some other thing that limits the amount that you can choose in the network dialog
16:20:41  <Noldo> Release doesn't have asserts?
16:21:07  <Eddi|zuHause3> correct
16:21:13  <Noldo> great
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16:21:28  <Eddi|zuHause3> asserts are for development
16:24:08  <glx> but if something asserts while debugging, it's to prevent it to do "the wrong thing"
16:26:48  <Noldo> an AI that builds everything and more generally cause all commands to be sent would be quite usefull now
16:28:31  <Noldo> hmm the diff is 50K :/
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16:34:51  <Ammller> glx: we have max_players (companies) set to 1
16:35:14  <glx> but MAX_PLAYERS is still 8 :)
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16:37:26  <Ammller> whats that: openttd: /home/ottdcoop/svn-public/src/oldpool.h:113: T* OldMemoryPool<T>::Get(uint) const [with T = Vehicle]: Assertion `index < this->GetSize()' failed.
16:37:31  <Ammller> sry
16:37:44  <Ammller> wrong c&p
16:37:48  <Noldo> :)
16:38:11  <Ammller> I mean that: #define MAX_INTERFACES 9
16:39:04  <Noldo> where's that?
16:39:29  <Ammller> network.h row 47
16:45:07  <Noldo> it's the max number of network interfaces that openttd will understand on WIN32
16:47:24  <Ammller> Noldo: what has it to do with network?
16:48:45  <Noldo> if the computer running openttd has more than 9 network cards or things that the os sees as network cards only the first 9 can be broadcasted to
16:49:11  <Ammller> ah, ok
16:49:32  <Ammller> nothing to do with max clients :)
16:49:41  <Noldo> no
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17:01:23  <Wolf01> hello
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17:03:55  <rav> hi wolf
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17:11:08  <aneb> that's weird, i do 5 sentence e-mails compulsively
17:11:14  <aneb> and only 5
17:11:16  <wolfy> :)
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17:11:26  <hylje> weird indeed
17:12:26  <aneb> well, in this email i wrote, i mistakely did a period in the middle of a logical sentence
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18:12:06  <Ammller> maybe you can help, I checkout trunk to local openttd-svn
18:12:28  <Ammller> then I copied and reanmed it to openttd-patched
18:12:42  <Ammller> but now I can compile it anymore
18:13:18  <Ammller> german:
18:13:18  <Ammller> make[1]: *** Keine Regel vorhanden, um das Target »/home/ottdc/bin/publicserver/src/yapf/yapf_ship.cpp«,
18:13:18  <Ammller>   benötigt von »yapf/yapf_ship.d«, zu erstellen.  Schluss.
18:13:54  <Ammller> !s/can/can't/
18:14:16  <Ammller> and it was publicserver not openttd-svn :/
18:14:29  <Maedhros> what does the error say in english?
18:15:00  <Ammller> no rule here to the target...
18:15:05  <Rubidium> Ammller: ./configure --reconfig
18:17:20  <Ammller> Rubidium: didn't help
18:17:47  <Rubidium> ./configure then
18:18:24  <Ammller> hmm, still
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18:19:09  <Ammller> copy a checkout was possible in past, wasn't?
18:19:29  <Rubidium> yes
18:19:38  <skidd13> Ammller: tried make mrproper before?
18:19:39  <Rubidium> but now you have to reconfigure when you've done it
18:20:14  <Ammller> but that won't work by me
18:20:50  <Rubidium> then you must've done something wrong
18:20:56  <Rubidium> like running configure in the wrong directory
18:20:57  <hylje> hmm
18:21:13  <Ammller> i renamed the directory back and now make works
18:22:21  <Ammller> Rubidium: you mean, if I running configure after renaming withou --reconfig
18:23:31  <Rubidium> both with and without --reconfig work correctly for me.
18:24:04  <Ammller> hmm, I have not the current trunk
18:24:10  <Ammller> was r10814
18:24:50  <Rubidium> it has worked correctly since like r7500 or so
18:33:14  <Ammller> hmm, now I know, why you don't like to rise the limit, its not as easy...
18:38:19  <Rubidium> did we ever say it was easy?
18:41:17  <Noldo> so there it is
18:46:50  <Ammller> the fact, that we had 11 clients told me that :)
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18:58:10  <simon444> bye
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19:10:00  <glx> Ammller: rm *.d
19:11:22  <Ammller> gfx, I have no files like that
19:12:10  <glx> [20:13:21] <Ammller> make[1]: *** Keine Regel vorhanden, um das Target »/home/ottdc/bin/publicserver/src/yapf/yapf_ship.cpp«,
19:12:10  <glx> [20:13:21] <Ammller>   benötigt von »yapf/yapf_ship.d«, zu erstellen.  Schluss.
19:12:10  <glx> ^^ says you have :)
19:12:33  <glx> I can't remember where they are as I use makedepend
19:12:51  <Ammller> make mrproper
19:12:54  <Ammller> did help
19:13:06  <glx> it removed deps :)
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19:30:32  <hylje> still to ponder how to retain fixthises among patch versions
19:30:43  <hylje> line numbers break when new version comes
19:31:50  <Ammller> I found a line at settings.cpp (1288) with max_clients
19:32:13  <glx> that's the thing in openttd.cfg
19:32:45  <hylje> grep -R max_clients .
19:32:46  <Ammller> if I set max_clients in openttd.cfg to 15, it will be corrected with it down
19:33:12  <Ammller> hylje: htx :)
19:33:32  <hylje> yw
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19:34:06  <glx> ..., 10, 0, 10,... <-- yes default, min, max
19:34:43  <Ammller> so, I have to change that and the hack from Truelight in cmd
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19:56:47  <Ammller> 11 clients is no problem with unpatched clients
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20:04:28  <Ammller>
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20:05:28  <Rubidium> Ammller: *any* idea in how many places that is going to crash?
20:05:38  <Ammller> :) no
20:05:48  <Rubidium> have fun :)
20:06:08  <glx> Ammller: MAX_PLAYER must stay unchanged :)
20:07:49  <Ammller> ok
20:10:35  <Rubidium> glx: I like Ammller's version better
20:11:08  <Rubidium> I've always wanted to have a user controlable player for towns, none and water ;)
20:11:31  <Ammller> don't laugh about me :)
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20:12:19  <Rubidium> I'm not laughing, I just wondered how much you've tested of your patch
20:12:27  <Eddi|zuHause3> "Wer den Schaden hat, braucht fÃŒr den Spott nicht zu sorgen."
20:13:06  <Ammller> Rubidium: not much yet
20:13:28  <Ammller> just connected 11 times with my own client
20:14:02  <Eddi|zuHause3> and what happens with the 12th?
20:14:47  <Ammller> I connected with unpatched version :)
20:15:13  <Eddi|zuHause3> yes, and i want to know what actually happens :)
20:16:50  <Ammller> compiling
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20:23:03  <Ammller>
20:23:13  <Ammller> or join #Ammler
20:24:31  <Bjarni> interesting diff
20:24:53  <Bjarni> with some more work, it could end up working
20:24:53  <Rubidium> Bjarni: interesting in what way?
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20:25:09  <Bjarni> but that would be *alot* of work
20:25:13  <Bjarni> have fun :p
20:25:29  <Rubidium> ooh... strontium ;)
20:25:30  <Ammller> 12 clients now
20:25:33  <thestrontium90> hej buenas dias, may i pose a question?
20:25:42  <thestrontium90> ui rubidium, another element
20:26:19  <Rubidium> thestrontium90: you already posed a question
20:26:27  <Bjarni> yeah, this channel is full of elements
20:26:31  <thestrontium90> pardon me
20:26:39  <Ammller> Rubidium: what can I do? Whats going wrong?
20:26:42  <Bjarni> like Eddi|zuHause3 is an element of evil
20:26:44  <Bjarni> :p
20:26:48  <thestrontium90> ;p
20:27:29  <thestrontium90> i want to play openttd with my mate over internet and i cant find his server... we already tried dedicated server and opened the ports but nothing o.o
20:27:39  <Bjarni>  <thestrontium90> hej buenas dias, may i pose a question? <-- this is a question, so you already asked one
20:27:51  <thestrontium90> yes i got tha, pardon me for that :D
20:29:08  <glx> can you see the server in ?
20:29:13  * Eddi|zuHause3 makes another mark on the list of totally useless highlights
20:29:16  <thestrontium90> oh wait i will check out
20:29:55  <Rubidium> @openttd port thestrontium90
20:29:56  <DorpsGek> Rubidium: Invalid arguments for port.
20:30:00  <Rubidium> @openttd port
20:30:01  <DorpsGek> Rubidium: OpenTTD uses TCP and UDP port 3979 for server <-> client communication and UDP port 3978 for masterserver (advertise) communication (outbound)
20:30:10  <Rubidium> thestrontium90: did you forward those?
20:30:16  <glx> !opentt port thestrontium90
20:30:21  <glx> !opentt ports thestrontium90
20:30:28  <glx> !openttd port thestrontium90
20:30:30  <_42_> glx: OpenTTD uses TCP and UDP port 3979 for server <-> client communication and UDP port 3978 for masterserver (advsertise) communication (outbound)
20:30:47  <glx> hey I though _42_ did redirect
20:30:55  <Rubidium> apparantly it doesn't
20:31:10  * Rubidium slaps TrueBrain ... fix bot!
20:31:23  <Eddi|zuHause3> these stupid bots :p
20:31:30  <Bjarni> yeah
20:31:38  <thestrontium90> i mean he can connect to his own server, wich is clear, i can connect to every other server available and he even totally disactivated all ports :( so we dont know further
20:31:49  <Bjarni> they can't be made smarter than the coder... which is kind of a big issue
20:32:03  <thestrontium90> his server aint in the list trontium90
20:32:03  <thestrontium90> <DorpsGek> Rubidium: Invalid a
20:32:29  <Rubidium> did he "enable" advertising?
20:32:45  <thestrontium90>  yes certainly, it says in the FAQ we read em at first
20:33:28  <Bjarni> did you try to use "add server" and type in his IP?
20:33:29  <Rubidium> not showing at basically means one of two things: advertising is not enabled or the network is not configured properly
20:33:34  <hylje> oh well. for those interested in what a future patch review utility may work like, see
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20:34:15  <Rubidium> Bjarni: if advertising doesn't work it is more than likely direct connect doesn't work either as it uses the exact same ports to get information
20:34:48  <Bjarni> good point
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20:35:20  <NukeBuster> @hylje : in the Opera browser the text is running trough eachother
20:35:30  <thestrontium90> i tried typing his IP, and i always get 'servidor apagao' as result
20:35:39  <thestrontium90> server shut down
20:35:57  <hylje> NukeBuster: yeah i see it in certain widths
20:36:30  <NukeBuster> @hylje: perhaps declare a doctype?
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20:36:59  <hylje> o sheesh
20:37:07  <hylje> i'm a developer, not a designer
20:37:19  <Bjarni> thestrontium90: ok, then you should double check the port forwarding. It looks like the join request is stopped at the router
20:37:44  <NukeBuster> well... i'm not a designer but i know Opera and Firefox like doctype declarations.
20:37:44  <Bjarni> and funny enough, the router doesn't host any games ;)
20:37:57  <thestrontium90> OK you mean his router may be misconfiged?
20:38:47  <Bjarni> you are trying to connect to his computer using the port number from before. This has to be forwarded to his LAN IP
20:39:29  <Bjarni> the most likely cause of this issue would be that the request is blocked by the router or forwarded to the wrong IP
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20:39:49  <NukeBuster> @hylje: Does it also (try to) keep the patch up to date?
20:40:04  <thestrontium90> it already seemed strange to me that he said he deactivated the whole port thing o.o
20:40:56  <thestrontium90> he said he has deactivated the router firewall, so he has no ports. is that correct?
20:41:11  <Bjarni> that depends on the router
20:41:30  <Bjarni> he might forward all ports to his computer, but considering the issue at hand, I guess he didn't do that
20:41:43  <Bjarni> it's also bad security and not recommended
20:42:03  <hylje> NukeBuster: it doesn't do any magic with the patch
20:42:09  <Bjarni> in general, only forward the port numbers that you need
20:42:18  <thestrontium90> yeh but this aint my problem =)
20:42:48  <Bjarni> maybe I made the evil remark at the wrong person XD
20:42:51  <hylje> NukeBuster: feel free to play with it and see if theres any problematic things or (minor) features
20:43:09  <glx> I forward a little more than needed, but I have a firewall on my PC :)
20:43:15  <Bjarni> hylje: at least not yet. It would be cool to get an alert if a diff can't be applied anymore
20:43:16  <thestrontium90> Lol my firewall is up and running
20:43:21  <hylje> in case the design is adequate it'll get more and better features over time
20:43:36  <Bjarni> ...
20:43:58  <Bjarni> thestrontium90: so you are blocking outgoing traffic?
20:44:09  <thestrontium90> im not blocking anything
20:44:18  <thestrontium90> i can connect to every other internet game
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20:45:32  <hylje> Bjarni: TrueLight told me that it could semi-automagically push nightlies through compile-farm
20:45:55  <hylje> but that involves review process as not everything can be blindly thrown there
20:46:12  <Bjarni> that would be nice too
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20:47:11  <Ammller>
20:47:28  <hylje> :o
20:47:37  <thestrontium90> he has my nice savegame =.= the server needs to work
20:49:40  <Bjarni> Ammller: I think now is the time to say "lucky bastard"
20:50:08  <hylje> i think you're just the right person to say that
20:50:13  <Ammller> Bjarni: give me something, I can try
20:50:17  <Bjarni> most of the time when somebody tries to do something quick and dirty like you just did, then something bad happens
20:50:41  * Bjarni gives Ammller something
20:50:41  <thestrontium90> are you all developers here?
20:50:51  <hylje> not everyone
20:50:54  <Ammller> but that patch is so ugly small
20:51:03  <hylje> Ammller: elegant, i'd say
20:51:47  <Bjarni> Ammller: it's so small that it looks like you missed several places, but unless you are good at photoshop, then it appears to work for some reason
20:52:06  <Progman> lol
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20:52:23  <Ammller> you can join, the server runs with autopilot at #Ammler
20:52:28  <hylje> well that may very well be because ottd isnt a blob of spaghetti.. everywhere
20:52:47  <hylje> Ammller: addy n revision, no client patch involved?
20:52:53  <Ammller> and it is also listest at
20:52:55  <Bjarni> I mean, have you checked that there aren't any vars anywhere in the code that contains a bit for each client and say, it could be an uint16
20:53:11  <glx> it may be because we used #define for MAX_CLIENTS :)
20:54:03  <Bjarni> then the question is: what should be the limit?
20:54:08  <Ammller> glx: can you give me a hint where to look?
20:54:20  <hylje> 65536
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20:54:54  <Bjarni> hylje: that might be overkill
20:55:06  <Ammller> hylje: the clients has to be patched as well
20:55:17  <Ammller> without clientpatch you go up to 11
20:55:23  <hylje> o
20:55:40  <Ammller> we had that several times on #openttdcoop
20:55:45  <hylje> yes
20:55:51  <hylje> link to patch, then
20:56:00  <hylje> ima gonna fire up my ottd once again
20:56:12  <Ammller>
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20:57:53  <glx> Ammller: you are lucky because the code seems to not use hardcoded value for clients
20:58:37  <Ammller> so do we discuss an other time for including it in a nightly?
20:58:52  <Ammller> we can remove it after
20:59:06  <Rubidium> and how often are you going to complain the limit is too low when it actually is 20?
20:59:35  <Ammller> :) omg
20:59:35  <Rubidium> we must use a "permanent" solution and that is not increasing some constant every time someone needs more clients
20:59:42  <glx> we need a dynamic way
20:59:50  <hylje> 65536
20:59:55  <Rubidium> as it wastes memory when it doesn't need to be wasted
21:00:02  <glx> ie not use things like NetworkTCPSocketHandler _clients[MAX_CLIENTS];
21:00:09  <Ammller> does it also wast memeory
21:00:19  <Ammller> when you set it to 10 in openttd.cfg
21:00:22  <Rubidium> yes
21:00:22  <Ammller> ?
21:00:32  <Rubidium> it even wastes memory when you play in single player
21:00:40  <Rubidium> or even do not have a network card in your computer
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21:02:04  <Ammller> ok, its not the most importend thing
21:02:23  <glx> hmm there are some inconsistencies in _clients for loops (network.cpp:101 and network.cpp:862)
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21:02:59  <glx> cs != endof(_clients) vs cs != &_clients[MAX_CLIENTS]
21:04:22  <Rubidium> not to mention that a few GUIs will crash or give very weird strings
21:06:09  <Ammller> as long as "Players" stays at 8?
21:06:36  <Rubidium> yes
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21:08:13  <simon444> hello
21:08:18  <simon444> is peter1138 here?
21:08:24  <simon444> !seen peter1138
21:08:24  <_42_> simon444, please look a bit closer at the memberlist of this channel.
21:08:32  <simon444> _42_, no.
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21:15:45  <skidd13> Strange. My town road cleanup patch needs more CPU cycles but needs less CPU time in global.
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21:24:01  <Wolf01> 'night
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21:28:26  <CIA-3> OpenTTD: miham * r10828 /trunk/src/lang/ (6 files): (log message trimmed)
21:28:26  <CIA-3> OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2007-08-08 23:27:26
21:28:26  <CIA-3> OpenTTD: brazilian_portuguese - 3 changed by fukumori (3)
21:28:26  <CIA-3> OpenTTD: bulgarian - 24 fixed by kokobongo (7), thetitan (17)
21:28:26  <CIA-3> OpenTTD: estonian - 1 changed by kristjans (1)
21:28:28  <CIA-3> OpenTTD: german - 564 changed by Timwi (564)
21:28:28  <CIA-3> OpenTTD: polish - 11 fixed, 34 changed by meush (45)
21:28:36  <Maedhros> 564? :o
21:28:47  <glx> new translator :)
21:28:59  <Progman> but what kind of translations o_O
21:29:46  <MiHaMiX> Progman: if way too people complains about them, i'll revoke them, that's for sure
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21:32:58  <Bjarni> for all we know, he changed the German translation into something from a porn movie
21:33:03  <Bjarni> maybe somebody should take a look
21:33:27  <MiHaMiX> ok, i'm going to sleep. complaints about german translations awaited to
21:33:35  <MiHaMiX> cheers
21:33:39  <Bjarni> night MiHaMiX
21:34:38  <Progman> looks all fine ;)
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21:35:05  <simon444> I love people
21:35:11  <simon444> who talk out of their
21:35:12  <simon444> ASS
21:35:36  <simon444> When you assume. You make an ASS out of U and ME
21:37:05  <skidd13> Hmm, have the patch options in the german translation drawn over so often before?
21:40:55  <TrueBrain> !openttd thestrontium90 port
21:40:57  <_42_> thestrontium90: OpenTTD uses TCP and UDP port 3979 for server <-> client communication and UDP port 3978 for masterserver (advsertise) communication (outbound)
21:41:02  <TrueBrain> it does, you only need to know the correct syntax
21:41:05  * TrueBrain slaps Rubidium back
21:41:36  <Rubidium> @openttd TrueBrain port
21:41:44  <Rubidium> @openttd port TrueBrain
21:41:45  <DorpsGek> Rubidium: Invalid arguments for port.
21:41:50  <Rubidium> see, no working
21:41:52  <TrueBrain> Rubidium: _42_ supports it, DorpsGek doesn't
21:41:59  <TrueBrain> DorpsGek never will in fact
21:42:09  <TrueBrain> (as it is silly and rarely used)
21:42:36  <TrueBrain> but okay, night all :)
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22:22:02  <Bjarni> interesting. Now the spammails contains pdf files
22:22:12  <peter1138> you're slow
22:22:38  <Bjarni> I waited a while to detect the pattern
22:22:41  <Bjarni> I got them all day
22:22:48  <Bjarni> and just got a new one
22:23:09  <Bjarni> but I don't want to open the files... you may never know what they figured out to put in them ;)
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22:24:09  <Bjarni> what can pdf files do to the computer anyway?
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22:27:19  <glx> they can pass the spamfilter
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22:29:23  <simon444> mmm APPLE juice
22:29:44  <simon444> let me guess... made by Apple Inc?
22:29:51  <simon444> or Made in China?
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22:40:35  <Eddi|zuHause3> hm, i guess i should review that last commit :)
22:41:47  <Bjarni> <glx> they can pass the spamfilter <-- funny enough I found them when I looked at what the spam filter filtered out today
22:41:59  <Bjarni> mine is too smart for that trick xD
22:42:33  <glx> well firefox put them in junk without learning :)
22:42:47  <glx> s/firefox/thunderbird/
22:43:04  <glx> like image spam
22:43:24  <Eddi|zuHause3> i never get spam :(
22:43:30  <Bjarni> lucky you
22:43:43  <simon444> me neither
22:43:44  <glx> I get spam on mail adress I never use
22:43:56  <simon444> and I put my address in this channel endless times
22:44:13  <simon444> "my address"
22:44:36  <Bjarni> I get it on my student account. Some bozo signed me up for different mailinglists a while ago and I had a spam problem ever since
22:44:44  <Eddi|zuHause3> that's because even the spambots ignore you...
22:44:54  <Bjarni> ignore who?
22:45:12  <Eddi|zuHause3> HIM!!
22:45:21  <Bjarni> glx?
22:45:28  <Bjarni> nobody else said anything
22:45:34  <glx> lol :)
22:45:35  <Eddi|zuHause3> see :)
22:45:41  <simon444> Bjarni, LOL... if you had me on ignore you would of thought that was a reply to Eddi|zuHause3
22:46:00  <simon444> Eddi|zuHause3, lol
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22:49:01  <simon444> does anyone remember "my address?"
22:49:13  <simon444> hi Ammller. Welcome to the spam channel.
22:49:40  <Eddi|zuHause3> you got the number of 'l's wrong
22:50:30  <simon444> lloll?
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22:50:47  <simon444> See you sacred him!
22:50:53  <glx> not the same
22:51:19  <simon444> He left once he heard this a spam channel.
22:51:37  <Eddi|zuHause3> i sacroed him? now that's a punishment :p
22:51:44  <simon444> He unplug the internet because it was so bad.
22:52:22  <simon444> scared
22:52:29  <Bjarni> life ain't fair
22:52:30  <simon444> sacred is a computer game
22:52:33  <Bjarni> but still...
22:53:04  <simon444> sounds like crap
22:53:13  <simon444> Bjarni, your in competition
22:53:21  <Bjarni> to sacro him for a typo.... that's like blowing up a house because the owner farted at the wrong time
22:53:48  <Eddi|zuHause3> you dare not mock about our sacred game!!
22:54:29  <Bjarni> <--- odd, no changes in nearly a year
22:54:43  <Bjarni> what is wrong with people in here?
22:54:46  <Bjarni> err
22:54:52  <Bjarni> I don't want to know :p
22:55:11  <Bjarni> never ask questions like that on the internet
22:55:16  <Eddi|zuHause3> you should be careful about the kind of questions you ask, you might get an answer to them :p
22:55:37  <glx> the answer is 42
22:55:43  <Bjarni> shit
22:56:42  <simon444> what is that? Vandalism?
22:59:42  <Hendikins> Yes, you vandalised the page.
23:00:05  <Eddi|zuHause3> let's burn him at the stake!
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23:01:50  * Bjarni slaps simon444
23:02:09  <Bjarni> whenever you try vandalism, make sure that you will not get your IP logged
23:02:32  * simon444 slaps Bjarni who will not see who did it
23:02:38  <Eddi|zuHause3> is it a bad sign if i recognised that IP from my mind without looking it up?
23:02:40  <simon444> Bjarni, that isn't my ip
23:03:14  <simon444> Eddi|zuHause3, my joins and parts have been so frequent that you probably remembered it from them
23:03:51  <simon444> ok time to shave
23:03:53  <Bjarni> err... where did the revert feature go?
23:04:03  <simon444> Bjarni, there is none
23:04:13  <simon444> Bjarni, you have to type the page all over again
23:04:14  <Hendikins> simon444: Do you think we're that stupid?
23:04:17  <simon444> yes
23:04:48  <Hendikins> On behalf of my country, I apologise for this idiot.
23:05:03  <simon444> Hendikins, I'm not Australian
23:05:18  <Eddi|zuHause3> still, the country let you in...
23:05:18  <Hendikins> You're located here, or at least routing via here.
23:05:56  <Eddi|zuHause3> surviver rule #1 in the computer business, always have someone else to blame...
23:06:26  <Eddi|zuHause3> #0 is "never touch a running system"
23:06:46  <Hendikins> Which in my case means "tunnel it through my ADSL instead of using my cable"
23:07:25  <simon444> hu?
23:07:35  <simon444> Bjarni, look fixed
23:08:07  <Bjarni> you do know that there is a preview feature, right?
23:08:20  <Bjarni> so you don't have to make 6 changes, but only one
23:08:28  <Bjarni> makes looking in the changelog easier
23:09:10  <simon444> LOL
23:09:20  <simon444> it wasn't me
23:09:52  <Hendikins> [09:09:31] * [simon444] :actually using host
23:09:53  <Hendikins> (cur) (last)  22:56, 8 August 2007 (Talk) (Replacing page with '42')
23:10:08  <Hendikins> As I said, do you think we're stupid?
23:10:19  <simon444> YES
23:10:29  <Hendikins> Then you're dumber than I thought.
23:10:55  <Bjarni> dammit, now you modified another page
23:11:29  <simon444> what? No I haven't
23:11:52  <Bjarni> Developers
23:12:14  <Bjarni> don't mess around or we might get really upset
23:12:20  <Bjarni> and burn down your house
23:12:22  <simon444> ok
23:12:25  <simon444> I need to shave
23:12:33  <simon444> is it okay if I do so now?
23:12:39  <Bjarni> yes
23:12:40  <simon444> or are we going to have more fun?
23:13:00  <Hendikins> ...and I can pull the right strings and find out where you live :P
23:13:15  * Bjarni sends the boys out with a boomerang to push simon444's razor into his throat
23:13:23  <Hendikins> (or at least where your internet connection is located)
23:13:58  <simon444> Hendikins, in Newcastle according to that stupid locater
23:14:09  <simon444> however this is not true
23:14:13  <Hendikins> simon444: Oh, no, I'm not talking about a stupid locater :)
23:14:19  <simon444> I live in China
23:14:35  <simon444> or Hong Kong if you wish
23:14:42  * Hendikins would just get it looked up in the ISP's customer database.
23:14:44  <Bjarni> prove it
23:14:53  <simon444> Bjarni, okay
23:14:56  <Eddi|zuHause3> in europe they try to put up 6 months logging on who used what connection (internet:IP, cell phone:number and location)
23:15:04  <Eddi|zuHause3> for "criminal investigations"
23:15:06  <simon444> Bjarni, it is now 7:15AM
23:15:10  <simon444> time for shaving
23:15:17  <Hendikins> Eddi|zuHause3: The IP is static, so easy solved.
23:15:19  <simon444> therefore I must be in Hong Kong
23:15:22  <Hendikins> (or apparently so)
23:15:27  <Hendikins> simon444: Or Perth. Or lying.
23:15:36  <simon444> because only in Hong Kong this is the time
23:15:38  <Bjarni> simon444: or somewhere else in the same timezone
23:15:56  <simon444> but other places in the same timezone don't shave
23:16:05  <simon444> therefore I can only be in Hong Kong
23:16:14  <simon444> or at least don't shave at 7:15
23:16:17  <Bjarni> like Perth in Australia
23:16:37  <simon444> Yeah... those Australians are like animals
23:16:39  <Eddi|zuHause3> i belive hong kong has summertime currently...
23:16:44  <simon444> hairy all over
23:18:05  <simon444> okay... I'll be back in a sec.. just get the machine out and ready...
23:18:35  <Bjarni> <simon444> Yeah... those Australians are like animals
23:18:35  <Bjarni> <simon444> hairy all over
23:18:35  <Bjarni> and you said that you needed to shave :P
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23:19:18  <simon444> everyone by nature is hairy
23:19:28  <simon444> people who shave aren't
23:21:32  <Hendikins> Interesting that your clock is NTP synced to Sydney time, and that your connection is reachable via Sydney PIPE.
23:25:30  <simon444> well of cause it is
23:25:59  <simon444> I'm in Hong Kong using an Australian connection
23:28:30  <Hendikins> That would not have anything to do with how your local clock is set, and your latency would be rather higher if you were in HK.
23:28:49  <Hendikins> (aka "Don't bullshit me, I know what I'm on about")
23:28:57  <simon444> no it wouldn't because the connection is in Australia
23:29:10  <simon444> the client is in Australia
23:29:13  <simon444> I'm not
23:29:29  <Hendikins> X-Chat is not a terminal based client
23:29:39  <Hendikins> Therefore it is not located in Australia on a shell.
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23:29:48  <simon444> Hendikins, if I was bullshiting you I would of told you I was part of Al-Queda
23:30:03  <Hendikins> That would actually be more believable.
23:30:04  <simon444> Hendikins, X sessions don't have to be local
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23:30:15  <simon444> okay then
23:30:18  <Hendikins> I'm aware of X11 forwarding.
23:30:31  <Hendikins> Either way, you're still full of it.
23:30:31  <simon444> You start Al Queda Australia
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23:30:37  <simon444> then I'll be part of it
23:30:45  <simon444> The Chasers don't count...
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23:30:52  * Hendikins pads off to shower, rather than getting his tail in a knot
23:31:02  <simon444> we watch that crap in Hong Kong
23:31:24  <simon444> I love CTCP SEX
23:32:03  <Hendikins> Thought for the day: When you hit rock bottom, stop digging.
23:32:44  <simon444> digg is for wankers
23:32:54  <simon444> Hendikins is a wanker
23:33:09  * Hendikins bows
23:33:17  * simon444 loves to be fed
23:33:35  * Hendikins pads off for real
23:33:48  <simon444> * Received a CTCP SEX from Xintron
23:33:50  <simon444> LOL
23:33:54  <Xintron> :)
23:34:24  <simon444> * Received a CTCP LOCATION from Xintron
23:34:31  <simon444> wtf is wrong with this guy
23:34:31  * Xintron loves CTCP SEX as well :)
23:34:42  <Xintron> What's wrong with you simon444 ?
23:34:43  <simon444> Client To Client Protocol
23:34:50  <simon444> Xintron, many things.
23:34:53  <Xintron> hehe :)
23:35:30  <simon444> I'm heading off soon to check out the new iMacs
23:35:36  <Xintron> haha
23:36:41  <simon444> I'll IRC from them
23:36:49  <simon444> and tell you how they are like
23:36:56  <simon444> I could also try out openttd
23:37:12  <simon444> but getting the graphics might be a bit hard
23:37:40  <Bjarni> simon444: since you are in HK, then I guess you can tell what's so special about your train system. I'm told it's different from the rest of the world
23:38:01  <simon444> yeah it is powered by nuclear
23:38:11  <simon444> and goes everywhere
23:38:16  <simon444> we call it the MTA
23:38:39  <simon444> MTR
23:39:04  <Xintron> HK?
23:39:08  <Xintron> MTR?
23:39:10  <Xintron> MTA?
23:39:15  <Xintron> :?
23:39:21  <simon444> we also have this smart card
23:39:26  <simon444> its just leeeeet
23:40:12  <simon444> There is no MTA
23:40:15  <simon444> it was a typo
23:40:26  <Xintron> What's HK and MTR then?
23:40:33  <simon444> in hong kong the A and R keys are next to each other
23:40:39  <simon444> Xintron, hong kong
23:40:54  <Xintron> haha, ok :)
23:40:58  <Bjarni> I don't think the question was what a typo is and how they happen :P
23:41:05  <simon444> and mass transit railway
23:41:21  <Hendikins> And if you're in HK, what ticketing system do you use?
23:41:32  <simon444> Bjarni, why?
23:41:38  <simon444> Hendikins, smart card
23:41:43  <simon444> <simon444> we also have this smart card
23:41:45  <glx> simon444: dvorak keyboard?
23:41:45  <Hendikins> More specific.
23:41:56  <simon444> glx, umm yes
23:41:59  * Hendikins waits for simon444 to google it
23:42:08  <simon444> this orange card
23:42:22  <simon444> I'll take a photo of it by the iMac
23:42:37  <Hendikins> The answer was Octopus :P
23:42:56  <simon444> it works like magic
23:43:12  <simon444> radio or something
23:43:38  * simon444 puts on some socks
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23:44:32  * Hendikins dries off, floofs up and pads down
23:45:15  * simon444 dances
23:45:21  * simon444 slips
23:45:24  * Wezz6400|afk empties a bucket of water over Hendikins
23:45:32  * simon444 gets some shoes
23:45:47  * simon444 helps Wezz6400|afk
23:45:51  * Hendikins shakes himself dry, showers Wezz6400|afk with droplets and floofs up again
23:45:59  <simon444> Wezz6400|afk, /nick Wezz6400
23:46:28  <Wezz6400|afk> ooh droplets \o/
23:46:33  <simon444> bom bim bom bim bim booom
23:46:48  <simon444> Hong Kong music
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23:47:30  * tokai likes musik from HK
23:48:24  * simon444 on phone
23:51:10  * Hendikins is one of those creepy furry types :P
23:51:27  <Hendikins> And perhaps ironically, about the only place I get to play openttd these days is in mid air.
23:55:35  <simon444> Hendikins, on virgin or qantas?
23:56:00  <Hendikins> Qantas. In business class. At staff price.
23:56:26  <simon444> staff price = free
23:56:31  <glx> no
23:56:31  <Hendikins> No
23:56:35  <simon444> You work for Qantas?
23:56:37  <simon444> Yes.
23:56:39  <glx> you pay taxes
23:56:41  <Hendikins> Immediate family.
23:56:49  <Hendikins> So no, I don't work for Qantas.
23:57:05  <Hendikins> glx: We've got a zonal base fare, + fixed fuel surcharge, + tax
23:57:08  <simon444> staff only get tickets when they are free seats
23:57:22  <simon444> Hendikins, than your not getting staff price.
23:57:33  <simon444> Qantas staff price is free.
23:57:34  <glx> Hendikins: I know :) (my father work for Air France)
23:57:36  <Hendikins> simon444: If my fare code is QEA, that is staff price.
23:57:42  <simon444> You need to be staff of Qantas
23:57:46  <Hendikins> glx: My father is at QF :)
23:57:47  <simon444> whatever
23:58:00  <simon444> Hendikins, you son of a bitch
23:58:06  <Hendikins> simon444: Actually, even duty travel is charged these days (effective July 1)
23:58:09  <glx> but I'm too old now
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23:58:27  <simon444> Hendikins, you could arrange me a ticket from hkg to syd and back?
23:58:37  <simon444> I'll pay 0 incld taxes
23:59:20  <Hendikins> simon444: You obviously have no idea how the system works.
23:59:42  <simon444> I am your adopted brother
23:59:44  <simon444> or something
23:59:50  <Hendikins> I'm not the QF staffer.

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