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00:01:47 <Bjarni> we have a saying about problems that you should "sleep on it", meaning that the brain will solve the issue while you sleep and the next day you have the solution... maybe he is doing something like that 00:01:54 <Bjarni> and even coding in his sleep 00:07:35 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB571A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai] 00:08:30 *** mikk36 [~mikk36@ip79.cab15.ktln.starman.ee] has quit [Quit: The pedestrian had no idea which way to run, so I ran over him.] 00:09:21 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: richk * r10915 /branches/NewGRF_ports/src/table/files.h: [NewGRF_ports] -Fix: Recalculated MD5 of airports.grf to eliminate warning. 00:15:05 *** krushia [~krushia@cntcnhbas01dhcp1-a88.cntcnh.tds.net] has joined #openttd 00:15:53 <krushia> is there any way to play mukltiplayer against AI players? 00:19:15 <krushia> i searched the wiki and the forums and can't find an answer 00:23:30 <Tobin> Bjarni: Does sound interesting actually... 00:23:41 <Tobin> Bjarni: But I'm on holiday now. :P 00:24:07 <Tobin> If it's still unsolved on Monday I might take a look. 00:24:13 <Tobin> *Might* 00:24:17 <Tobin> Bye for now. 00:24:36 *** Tobin [~tobin@c58-107-50-36.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Tobin] 00:26:55 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 00:47:53 *** exe [~adgf@pub70089.brzesko.net.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:52:39 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B8492A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:54:22 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B84AE1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 00:54:25 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 00:58:19 <krushia> alright, i got it working. i guess the only way to have AI in multiplayer is to use the "new AI"? 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02:54:57 <manveru> i use 'openttd sample.cat' 02:55:17 <manveru> but somehow the options it gives me won't have any effect 02:55:30 <manveru> this is on linux, i'm in the directory sample.cat is in 02:57:16 <manveru> ah, i think i found it 02:58:56 <manveru> ok, copying the right files to the data directory worked :) 02:59:36 <manveru> from http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Compiling_on_Linux#Required_data_files 03:00:15 *** _Ben_ [~Ben@91.84.119.240] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:00:45 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i5387C859.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 03:07:44 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387CED5.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:08:42 <manveru> starting in the year 1500 isn't such a good idea... :P 03:27:08 *** SERVEPRO [~SERVEPRO_@pool-71-114-58-174.washdc.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 03:37:03 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1EC6E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:49:21 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C1A4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 03:50:36 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@ip203.77.1311A-CUD12K-02.ish.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 04:08:23 *** Zavior [~zavior@d195-237-7-209.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 04:29:51 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-164-69.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 05:36:13 *** mikk36 [~mikk36@ip79.cab15.ktln.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 06:11:58 *** exe [~adgf@pub70089.brzesko.net.pl] has joined #openttd 06:45:43 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB5622.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:07:32 *** Smoovious [~imp486@c-71-205-140-67.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:10:18 *** Maedhros [~jc@i-195-137-43-74.freedom2surf.net] has joined #openttd 07:12:02 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-55-112.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 07:13:49 *** Smoovious [~imp486@c-71-205-140-67.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 07:14:07 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-55-112.adslplus.ch] has quit [] 07:22:41 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host20-235-dynamic.0-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 07:23:23 <Wolf01> hello 07:32:37 *** Farden [jk3farden@81.56.247.196] has joined #openttd 07:36:56 *** elmex [~elmex@e180067038.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 07:44:17 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 08:01:54 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-193-46-fixip.tiscali.ch] has joined #openttd 08:15:09 *** marc-andre [~marc-andr@84.4.120.126] has joined #openttd 08:17:20 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 08:20:15 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r10917 /branches/NewGRF_ports/src/newgrf_config.cpp: [NewGRF_ports] -Fix: if you force NewGRFs to be always loaded, make sure it still forces the NewGRF to be loaded when it is marked as "init only". 08:21:43 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r10918 /branches/NewGRF_ports/src/newgrf.cpp: [NewGRF_ports] -Fix: do not mark NewGRF properties as "unknown"/"unhandled" when you have handled them correctly during load. 08:22:47 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r10919 /branches/NewGRF_ports/src/station.h: [NewGRF_ports] -Codechange: use the dummy airport from the NewGRF instead of the hardcoded one. 08:24:11 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r10920 /branches/NewGRF_ports/src/ (11 files in 2 dirs): [NewGRF_ports] -Cleanup: remove the tables/files that were used to define airports as they will all be defined in a NewGRF and we do not need them anymore. 08:26:44 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host20-235-dynamic.0-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:43:44 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has joined #openttd 08:56:01 <Ammler> good morning, I liked to "clean up" my ottd installs, (used symlinks etc) and moved all my newgrfs and the original data files to /usr/share/openttd/data, now openttd doesn't start anymore. Do I have to do something else? 08:58:33 <peter1138> is it not /usr/share/games/openttd/data ? 08:58:46 <peter1138> just guessing, it's /usr/local/share/games/openttd/data for me 08:59:02 <Ammler> hmm, read something else in forum, but I try it 09:02:33 <peter1138> well, -d misc=4 will show you 09:04:47 <Ammler> dbg: [misc] /home/marcel/.openttd/ found as personal directory 09:04:47 <peter1138> maybe that only shows it if the path exists though, i dunno 09:05:04 <Ammler> does that mean, that it uses only that? 09:05:16 <peter1138> no, it uses all the search paths 09:05:24 <peter1138> the personal directory is where things are saved 09:05:40 <Ammler> dbg: [misc] /usr/local/share/games/openttd/ added as search path <--- local 09:06:28 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C1A4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:09:10 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C1A4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:13:00 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i5387C859.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 09:24:44 <Ammler> that the personal directory is a hidden one, is a little bit strange, isn't? 09:25:13 <Ammler> usually you don't need hidden directories offen, only if you like to change configs. 09:25:52 <Ammler> but .openttd would be needed more because you have saves, screenshots etc. in it, workaround is a symlink 09:26:13 <Rubidium> Ammler: you can configure it at configure time 09:26:15 <Ammler> and I thought, I can get rid of them 09:27:32 <Ammler> Rubidium: for me, its not a problem, but I think also of our "visitors" at #openttdcoop 09:28:02 <Ammler> I guess, in windows, its not hidden? 09:28:28 *** exe [~adgf@pub70089.brzesko.net.pl] has left #openttd [] 09:29:43 <Rubidium> it's where it should be according to the guidelines set for the different OSes 09:34:23 *** orudge [~orudge@91.84.56.243] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:35:42 *** Rylix [~lucasziel@dsl-58-7-178-27.wa.westnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 09:37:45 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 09:38:10 *** Mucht_ [~Mucht@p57A0F320.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:56:38 *** Rylix [~lucasziel@dsl-58-7-178-27.wa.westnet.com.au] has quit [] 09:59:10 *** exe [~adgf@pub70089.brzesko.net.pl] has joined #openttd 10:16:46 *** SpComb [terom@zapotek.paivola.fi] has joined #openttd 10:19:01 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@ndb.demon.nl] has joined #openttd 10:20:42 *** Farden123 [jk3farden@lns-bzn-48f-81-56-247-196.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 10:24:03 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-193-46-fixip.tiscali.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:27:18 *** Farden [jk3farden@81.56.247.196] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:27:18 *** Farden123 is now known as Farden 10:35:43 *** Mucht_ [~Mucht@p57A0F320.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:42:04 *** Mucht_ [~Mucht@p57A0F320.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:46:23 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-183-40.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 11:00:31 *** Nameeater [~subspace@ip-58-28-197-53.ubs-dsl.xnet.co.nz] has joined #openttd 11:41:51 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB5622.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai] 11:45:54 *** Nameeater [~subspace@ip-58-28-197-53.ubs-dsl.xnet.co.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:00:39 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387C859.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 12:01:41 *** Dark_Link^sleep is now known as Dark_Link^ 12:09:39 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 12:09:41 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:26:25 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host132-238-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 12:31:17 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-164-69.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: ThePizzaKing] 12:47:43 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@ndb.demon.nl] has quit [Quit: bbl] 12:52:40 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387C859.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 13:06:49 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387C859.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 13:08:50 *** BobingAbout [~BobingAbo@adsl-83-100-224-249.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 13:09:46 *** BobingAbout [~BobingAbo@adsl-83-100-224-249.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [] 13:13:28 <Ammler> is these problem known: http://mozart.ammler.ch/tt-ms/save/screenshot.png 13:13:30 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: maedhros * r10922 /trunk/src/rail_cmd.cpp: 13:13:30 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Codechange: Allow building and removing tracks and signals when there is a 13:13:30 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: train on a parallel diagonal track that doesn't interact with this one. (frosch) 13:13:50 <Ammler> the bridge is from the orange company, the land is bought from blue 13:14:37 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-183-40.adslplus.ch] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 13:17:24 <Eddi|zuHause3> \o/ great feature! :) 13:18:39 <SmatZ> yes, nice work Maedhros 13:19:37 <SmatZ> hmmm nice work frosch :) 13:21:04 <Maedhros> yeah, i can't really take any credit for it at all :) 13:35:31 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 13:55:59 *** orudge [~orudge@91.84.56.243] has joined #openttd 13:56:02 *** mode/#openttd [+o orudge] by ChanServ 13:57:45 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387C859.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:08:50 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387C859.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 14:11:52 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C1A4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:22:28 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C1A4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:28:47 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387C859.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:30:23 *** Farden [jk3farden@lns-bzn-48f-81-56-247-196.adsl.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:30:24 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-193-46-fixip.tiscali.ch] has joined #openttd 14:30:37 <SpComb> Logs: http://spbot.marttila.de:8120/logs/oftc-ottd (old: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd ) 14:30:37 <Ammler> !logs 14:31:15 <glx> Ammler: your "problem" is only visual I think 14:32:02 <Ammler> glx, you mean the bridge over a foreign company? 14:32:07 <glx> yes 14:32:44 <Ammler> hmm, I meant the possibilty to build something over others land 14:33:11 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:33:14 <Ammler> the other isn't able to expand his airport, (that's for he bought the land) 14:33:32 <Maedhros> it's explicitly allowed, at the moment 14:34:37 <Ammler> should be possible to forbid it, shouldn't? 14:35:01 <Ammler> or then it should be possible to build under bridges 14:35:12 <glx> Ammler: what if the planed construction is just a track or a road? 14:35:32 <Ammler> expanding the airport 14:35:37 <Maedhros> you can build under bridges. just not airports :p 14:36:17 <Ammler> but I guess, its the most used reason for buying land 14:37:33 <Ammler> so it should at least be setable over [patches] 14:37:57 <glx> many people already buy land to just annoy others 14:38:20 <glx> this case is just the opposite :) 14:39:30 <Ammler> glx, thats an other thing and not the resbonsibilty of devs 14:40:09 <Ammler> but hey I don't think, someone can build a brdige over my land without asking me 14:42:01 <Ammler> else you have just to reserve your land with building pseudo bridges, is that the want of devs? 14:42:29 <Ammler> you can remove the buy land, its useless so 14:44:18 <Belugas> so you're suggesting that the construction of a bridge cannot be permitted over bough land, but can be done over rails/roads that are owned by opponents? 14:44:38 <Ammler> exactly like in RL 14:45:04 <Belugas> what's RL? 14:45:14 <Ammler> RL= "normal" thinking 14:45:47 <Ammler> you can still build a tunnel under bought land 14:46:15 <Ammler> or maybe the possibilty to build stations etc. under bridges 14:46:44 <Ammler> but that will be difficulty for the grfs, I guess 14:46:47 <hylje> stations under bridges! newbridgeheads! 14:47:28 <Ammler> newbridgeheads? 14:47:50 <hylje> arbitrary stuff on bridgeheads 14:47:53 <hylje> not just a ram 14:47:54 <hylje> p 14:48:01 <hylje> a ram's fine too 14:48:51 <SmatZ> Ammler: http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=CustomBridgeHeads 14:49:01 <Ammler> hylje: something like that: http://ttdx.250x.com/img/bruecke.gif 14:49:22 <hylje> that'd be awesome too 14:49:30 <hylje> but for now i'm cool with just bridgeheads like that 14:49:52 <Ammler> yes, looks nice, like enhanced tunnels 14:50:15 <Belugas> did i ever said the I hate the expression "Real Life"? 14:50:26 <Ammler> Belugas: sry for that 14:50:48 <Ammler> that's why I wrote something else 14:50:57 <SmatZ> Belugas: and 'in real world'? 14:51:38 <Ammler> Belugas: I agree with TTD hasn't to be like RL/RW 14:52:41 <hylje> but arbitrary limitations should be considered fixable over time 14:53:05 <Belugas> unfortunately, it is one of the mostly used argument in any discussion about features... 14:53:16 <Ammler> another nice fake: http://ttdx.250x.com/img/tunnel.gif 14:53:34 <hylje> :> 14:53:37 <hylje> diagonal tunnels! 14:53:48 <hylje> newdiagonaltunnels! 14:53:49 <Maedhros> going up one level, too 14:53:58 <hylje> :o 14:54:42 <Belugas> that would be nifty indeed :) 14:55:10 <Ammler> btw, from here: http://ttdx.250x.com/bilder.htm 14:55:29 <SmatZ> :-) I though about that feature, but that would need a lot of code change... I think :-) The idea I had was to make one more Pool with tunnels - idea was to make TTD not slowed-down, not consuming a lot of memory (like 3D map array) 14:55:53 <hylje> i think expandable map has been considered 14:56:04 <hylje> ie. "teleports" to arbitrary map extension points 14:56:17 <hylje> for arbitrary shaped bridge platforms and tunnels 14:56:19 <Belugas> where is the "english" button/flag ? 14:56:28 <Ammler> since trams, we played much with RV's, found out that tunnels are "good" overtaking parts for faster RV's 14:56:41 <SmatZ> hylje: yes, this way I though 14:58:32 <hylje> it needs a neat design and someone to hac-- implement it 14:59:04 <Ammler> Belugas: just images... 14:59:43 <Maedhros> magic tunnels would probably be a lot easier than bridges 14:59:54 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A4D09.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:00:07 <Maedhros> all you have to do with tunnels is tell the train where to come out, in which direction, and how long it should take 15:00:12 <hylje> :o 15:00:35 <hylje> so.. diagonal tunnels pls? 15:00:39 <Maedhros> whereas with bridges it has to be visible all the way, and actually follow the track 15:01:41 <Ammler> so tunnels are already teleporters 15:01:46 <Belugas> i agree, Maedhros 15:01:49 <Maedhros> so are bridges, technically 15:02:07 <hylje> bridges just pretend they have the train on them 15:02:22 <Belugas> the problem with tunnels will be how to viusually set the exit tile, i think 15:02:32 <Belugas> while building it... 15:02:33 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387C859.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 15:02:46 <hylje> the same way autorail decides which way the rail piece goes 15:02:55 <Belugas> fine, do it 15:02:57 <hylje> its much easier given just three potential directions 15:03:22 <hylje> what, me? 15:03:24 <hylje> oh noes 15:03:24 <Belugas> you just miss the elevation part 15:03:46 <hylje> elevation is tricky with magic 15:04:10 <hylje> i'd say one shouldnt do it before magic-removal bridges and tunnels 15:05:08 <Rubidium> and when you remove the magic, you can add signals in tunnels and bridge too (or even stations) 15:06:26 <hylje> other tunnels! 15:09:01 *** Frostregen_ [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-177-047.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 15:09:01 * Belugas has an idea he would like to test 15:09:01 <SmatZ> isn't all of this possible in Locomotion? 15:09:01 <Belugas> maybe, don't know. so? 15:09:03 <hylje> loco isnt ttd 15:09:15 <SmatZ> maybe there could start some project 'openlocomotion', with all these features already done 15:09:38 <hylje> :o 15:09:53 <hylje> i got a perverse idea 15:10:13 <hylje> of implementing newGRF on a stackless python-based ttd-like app 15:10:31 <hylje> actually, that'd be quite doable too 15:12:17 <Ammler> before It's getting forgotten: Is the "Bug" with building over bought land already in the tracker? 15:12:46 <hylje> you can add it yourself 15:12:56 <Belugas> **IF** **EVER** diagonal tunnel, it will require diagonal tunnel entrance sprites 15:12:58 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-115-178.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:13:02 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 15:13:21 <hylje> hmm 15:13:22 <Belugas> current ones are not good for this purpose 15:13:31 <hylje> yeah, true 15:13:41 <Ammler> hylje: so, I'm the first who found it :) 15:13:53 <hylje> quite possible 15:14:03 <Belugas> further more, the current way of building tunnels would have to be changed, like click here for entrance and clicke there for exit, or something like that 15:14:07 <SmatZ> diagonal road would be nice too 15:14:23 <Belugas> forget it, not enough room on the map for now 15:14:24 <hylje> SmatZ: mostly a sprite issue 15:14:42 <Belugas> and hat too yes, but mostly, the room 15:15:00 <SmatZ> hylje: I am not sure about free map bits and road/rail crossings 15:15:15 <hylje> o 15:16:07 *** Deathmaker [~Miranda@dslb-082-083-241-182.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 15:16:26 *** Wolf01 is now known as Wolf01|AWAY 15:16:43 <Ammler> hmm, how does jabber function with flyspray? 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15:57:16 <Rubidium> the "default" values are not truly free (I think) 15:57:34 <Rubidium> they are part of TTD 15:59:22 <hylje> default values in what sense? 16:00:13 <DaleStan> Like the default values for vehicle property 0. But most default values are not part of TTD. 16:00:14 <Rubidium> a newgrf does change the default values, i.e. I can make a newgrf that only changes the speed of vehicles but doesn't change anything else 16:01:22 <hylje> then newgrf needs a subset that does not involve default values? :p 16:02:07 <Belugas> it is in the essence of newgrf to work that way 16:02:18 <hylje> :o 16:02:26 <Belugas> you would be better off with a new system of your own... 16:02:54 <hylje> that'd be good too 16:03:07 <hylje> something that is quite human readable! 16:03:30 <Belugas> are you saying that DaleStan is not human ? ;) 16:03:35 <hylje> hence quite 16:03:56 <hylje> but its not like i could get started in that project anytime soon 16:04:17 <hylje> however not all is lost, maybe in a few years i could use my leet skills for that :) 16:04:18 <Rubidium> you must make it completely XML as people do want that and you can do anything with XML... 16:04:54 <hylje> XML problems are solved like violence, by more of it 16:05:14 *** arcil [~arcil@p5B07735B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:05:32 <Belugas> and if it's not XML, it's LUA or god knows waht else... 16:05:33 <Rubidium> <sprite width="1" height="1"><pixel red="255" blue="255" green="0" alpha="128" /></sprite> 16:05:44 <Rubidium> see, completely XML ;) 16:05:54 <Rubidium> completely human readable 16:06:05 <hylje> human-readable images, hweh 16:06:05 * manveru prays that this won't happen 16:07:31 <Maedhros> svg ;) 16:08:13 <Rubidium> better use blender directly ;) 16:08:33 <hylje> heh 16:08:37 <hylje> blender-scripted ttd 16:08:56 <hylje> but i'd think my design would aim for somewhat playable 16:10:35 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x535ca25f.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 16:10:36 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 16:11:13 <hylje> hmm 16:11:36 <hylje> i think distributed computing could be involved too 16:11:53 <hylje> trains would run in just one box in a network game 16:12:03 <Belugas> and multithreading too, don't forget that... 16:12:11 <hylje> stackless is mini-multithreading 16:12:18 *** arcil [~arcil@p5B07735B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:12:19 <hylje> trains would essentially get their own microthread 16:12:20 <manveru> hmm, ttd in erlang :) 16:12:23 <Belugas> and why not savegame in XML too ;) 16:12:40 <hylje> but it doesnt scale on multiple processors as it is 16:12:49 <hylje> but it can spawn multiple "servers" on a single box 16:13:03 <hylje> which would quite seamlessly work together 16:15:58 *** arcil [~arcil@p5B07735B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:16:02 <Rubidium> by the way, what's stackless? 16:16:02 <Rubidium> a 2 byte stack? 16:16:02 <hylje> a python flavour 16:16:02 <Rubidium> I don't eat pythons ;) 16:16:07 <hylje> but you can lick one though 16:16:32 *** arcil_ [~arcil@p5B07735B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:17:11 <Maedhros> is that still maintained? i thought it had been abandoned a while ago 16:17:17 <hylje> it's still maintained 16:18:04 <hylje> and got commercial usage mostly by CCP of eve online 16:18:24 <Maedhros> ooh, ok 16:18:38 *** NW|Aerandir [magic.powe@90-230-201-111-no37.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:18:50 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: glx * r10923 /trunk/src/saveload.cpp: -Codechange: use 'real' exception handling in saveload code 16:20:14 *** NW|Aerandir [magic.powe@90-230-201-111-no37.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 16:31:36 *** arcil_ [~arcil@p5B07735B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:32:46 *** mikk36 [~mikk36@ip79.cab15.ktln.starman.ee] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:33:43 *** mikk36 [~mikk36@ip79.cab15.ktln.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 16:39:26 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A43614.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:04:14 <Ammler> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/1120 <-- is there already a newGRF with ARV? (except Hiroshima) 17:08:47 <Maedhros> hmm 17:08:51 * Maedhros hadn't seen that bug 17:09:15 <Maedhros> anyway, the generic tram set has arvs 17:09:22 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl7-182-104.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 17:15:49 *** arcil_ [~arcil@p5B07735B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:16:07 *** arcil [~arcil@p5B07735B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 17:16:50 <Ammler> Belugas, did you ever see Cargo Trams in RL :P 17:17:18 <glx> they exists IRL 17:17:40 <Maedhros> one of them is actually called the CarGo tram :p 17:18:20 <Eddi|zuHause3> more exactly "CarGoTram" :) 17:18:30 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@ndb.demon.nl] has joined #openttd 17:18:40 <Belugas> the only tram i ever took was on a museum ;) 17:18:49 <Belugas> the only cargo that i saw was passengers :D 17:19:22 <Eddi|zuHause3> you don't have trams in canada? 17:19:50 *** arcil_ [~arcil@p5B07735B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:20:06 <Ammler> http://www.vbz.ch/vbz_opencms/opencms/vbz/deutsch/Dienstleistungen/Cargotram/ <--- :o we have here 17:20:22 <Belugas> not in Quebec, at least 17:20:59 <Eddi|zuHause3> compare these two sentences: 17:21:01 <Belugas> well... for sure, not in Montreal, not too sure about Quebec city 17:21:03 <Eddi|zuHause3> CarGoTram (Dresden) - Wikipedia 17:21:03 <Eddi|zuHause3> Die CarGoTram ist eine 17:21:12 <Eddi|zuHause3> [...] 17:21:14 *** arcil [~arcil@p5B07735B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:21:22 <Eddi|zuHause3> Cargotram (ZÃŒrich) - Wikipedia 17:21:24 <Eddi|zuHause3> Das Cargotram ist ein [...] 17:23:43 <Eddi|zuHause3> it has different gender in (east) germany and in switzerland :) 17:23:43 <ln-> the one in Dresden is for girls? 17:24:22 <Eddi|zuHause3> well, actually, the word "tram" is not very common in east germany, usually it's "die StraÃenbahn", and "artificial" replacement words often take on the gender of the original word associated with them 17:25:15 <Ammler> omg, "Die Tram..." 17:25:30 <Eddi|zuHause3> same as you would say "die URL" for "die [Internet-]Seite", while it would technically be "der [...] Locator" 17:27:43 <Ammler> But still I'm once per week in ZÃŒrich and never saw this cargotram, I have to looking more for it 17:29:14 <Eddi|zuHause3> looks like it is a garbage collector 17:40:14 *** ejoj [~ejoj@117.84-48-125.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 17:40:54 <Phazorx> Belugas: there are streetcars in Toronto 17:41:46 <Eddi|zuHause3> Phazorx: you mean "busses"? 17:41:56 <Phazorx> nope 17:42:13 <Phazorx> trams, but they are called streetcars 17:42:33 <Belugas> Never been in Toronto. Good to know :) 17:42:49 <Phazorx> http://transit.toronto.on.ca/streetcar/index.shtml 17:43:14 <Phazorx> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toronto_streetcar_system 17:43:19 <Ammler> Phazorx: also cargo? 17:43:27 <Phazorx> nope 17:43:43 <Phazorx> i only saw cargo trams as part of repair crews back in .ru 17:43:54 <Phazorx> and only during night 17:44:01 <Eddi|zuHause3> not the most promising photo on the front page :p 17:44:12 <Phazorx> they are not used for transportation, only as utility vehicles 17:49:05 <Phazorx> hmm 17:49:07 <Phazorx> http://transit.toronto.on.ca/images/streetcar-4510-09.jpg 17:49:11 <Phazorx> http://transit.toronto.on.ca/images/streetcar-4510-08.jpg 17:50:15 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-103-180.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:59:14 *** Ameecher [~Ameecher@host86-139-215-121.range86-139.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 17:59:39 <Ameecher> peter1138, you there? 18:01:50 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: maedhros * r10924 /trunk/src/roadveh_cmd.cpp: 18:01:50 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Fix [FS#1120]: VS_STOPPED is only set for the front part of an articulated 18:01:50 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: road vehicle, so don't check any other parts when testing if the vehicle is 18:01:50 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: stopped inside a depot. 18:04:49 <Maedhros> Ameecher: he hasn't spoken since 10 this morning - i think he's on holiday at the moment, so isn't around as much 18:05:03 <Ameecher> ah right, thank you Maedhros 18:08:34 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@ip203.77.1311A-CUD12K-02.ish.de] has joined #openttd 18:09:39 *** Acerbus [~kreedovel@213-35-169-26-dsl.trt.estpak.ee] has joined #openttd 18:12:59 *** marc-andre [~marc-andr@84.4.120.126] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 18:18:47 *** arcil [~arcil@p5B07735B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:26:31 *** Mucht_ [~Mucht@p57A0F320.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:26:33 *** Nussa [~Mucht@p57A0F699.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:29:19 *** Nussa is now known as _Mucht 18:32:13 *** Diabolic1Angel [~dia@ip203.77.1311A-CUD12K-02.ish.de] has joined #openttd 18:36:32 *** Farden [jk3farden@81.56.247.196] has joined #openttd 18:37:05 *** raimar2 [~hawk@p5489EC08.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:39:03 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@ip203.77.1311A-CUD12K-02.ish.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:39:57 *** Mucht_ [~Mucht@p57A0FD46.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:43:43 *** _Mucht [~Mucht@p57A0F699.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:43:56 *** raimar3 [~hawk@84.137.185.167] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:45:31 *** Someone [Someone@82.75.246.211] has joined #openttd 18:45:47 *** Peakki [antti@cs181000195.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: LÀhdössÀ] 18:46:03 *** pPACO_BAN [PACO@CPE0011d8690c25-CM001225db7ae8.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #openttd 18:47:02 *** Phazorx [PACO@CPE0011d8690c25-CM001225db7ae8.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Write error: connection closed] 18:49:36 *** Wolf01|AWAY is now known as Wolf01 18:50:25 *** Niki- [~niki@p5090959B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:14:11 *** Mucht_ [~Mucht@p57A0FD46.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:49:29 *** pPACO_BAN is now known as Phazorx 19:50:28 <Wolf01> 'night 19:50:31 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host132-238-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 19:58:32 *** Darkebie [~dkb@d5153D5CD.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 20:03:24 *** Mucht_ [~Mucht@p57A0D386.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:05:57 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A43614.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 20:06:18 *** Zavior [~zavior@d195-237-7-209.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )] 20:21:14 *** RichK67 [~RichK67@194.164.100.143] has joined #openttd 20:21:22 *** RamboRonny [~magic.pow@90-230-201-111-no37.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 20:25:20 *** NW|Aerandir [magic.powe@90-230-201-111-no37.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:28:39 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: richk * r10925 /branches/NewGRF_ports/ (3 files in 3 dirs): 20:28:39 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: [NewGRF_ports] -Add: Added graphics placement of Intercontinental and Helistation. State Machines not yet functional. 20:28:39 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Change: Both Intercontinental and Helistation now loaded for old games. 20:28:39 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: **All old game airports now have newgrf equivalents.** 20:30:33 <Eddi|zuHause3> ***just they don't work yet*** :) 20:31:27 <RichK67> a minor issue ;) just time in editing a newgrf now.... no more coding needed for original airports 20:31:43 <Bjarni> that's the idea of having a branch... you can break stuff and not have to fix it right away 20:32:08 <Bjarni> I mean, you can think about the big picture rather than thinking about how to make it playable all the time 20:32:51 <RichK67> yeah - except of course to test the state machine, i have to be able to play it 20:33:00 <RichK67> so it gets sort of circular 20:33:36 *** Maedhros [~jc@i-195-137-43-74.freedom2surf.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:33:44 <Bjarni> testable isn't always the same as playable 20:33:47 <RichK67> but the important thing is whether the airport loads... all state machine stuff after that is just data 20:33:52 <Bjarni> or enjoyable 20:34:30 <RichK67> yeah... its why ive done the LaGuardia and seaplane airports early, as they are fun, and i wanted a little entertainment along the way ;) 20:34:46 <Bjarni> say you make some unsound balance stuff that you know you will have to solve before merging, but something else needs to be done first, then the game can run, but it's likely not enjoyable 20:36:20 <Prof_Frink> Bjarni: Basically, a branch solves this problem: http://headrush.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/04/06/incremental1.jpg 20:42:01 <Eddi|zuHause3> yeah, we urgently need a revolution! :p 20:43:09 <Bjarni> yeah, that's a good picture of why branches are needed 20:43:36 <Bjarni> Eddi|zuHause3: but we already got rid of the communists... 20:43:48 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 20:44:25 <Eddi|zuHause3> so what? we could have an islamic revolution or something :) 20:49:30 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-103-180.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 20:50:14 *** BobingAbout [~BobingAbo@adsl-83-100-224-249.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 20:50:21 *** BobingAbout [~BobingAbo@adsl-83-100-224-249.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [] 20:52:13 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has joined #openttd 20:56:43 *** RichK67 [~RichK67@194.164.100.143] has quit [Quit: RichK67] 20:57:56 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB6691.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:03:33 *** Deathmaker [~Miranda@dslb-082-083-241-182.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:14:13 *** Ameecher [~Ameecher@host86-139-215-121.range86-139.btcentralplus.com] has left #openttd [Don't Blink. 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