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00:00:21 *** MUcht [~Mucht@p57A0C537.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:00:27 <Ailure> which have happened in a few network games of mine 00:01:05 <Sacro> Brianetta: i got my sparcstation! :D 00:01:51 <Sacro> ooh i just noticed 00:01:58 <Sacro> the swedish keyboard is a proper sun one 00:02:03 <Sacro> and it has a sun optical mouse and mousemat 00:03:50 <Brianetta> They suck 00:03:53 <Bjarni> great... I just noticed something. Last year some railroad tracks was replaced because they were in poor condition. Now there is a max 30 km/h due to poor condition.... wtf? 00:03:54 <Brianetta> but the Sparcstation rocks 00:05:52 <Sacro> Brianetta: it has an optical mosue though! 00:07:12 <Sacro> hmmm, it can take 512MB RAM 00:07:15 <Sacro> i wonder what type 00:07:17 <Sacro> probably EDO 00:07:28 <Brianetta> Sacro: Yes. I hate those ones. 00:07:44 <Sacro> ooh NEXTSTEP looks good 00:19:33 <Ailure> there's Sparc with swedish keyboards? 00:19:34 <Ailure> :o 00:19:48 <Ailure> I admit that's a type of computer I seriously been considering to have 00:19:50 <Ailure> if I had enough money 00:20:09 <Sacro> Ailure: yes, it has a swedish keyboard 00:20:11 <Sacro> god knows why 00:20:16 <Ailure> It's like 00:20:37 <Ailure> I probably would want to have a X86 based for like Windows games 00:20:45 <Ailure> and a SPARC workstation for everything else :P 00:20:52 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 00:21:26 <Ailure> I find myself preferring NIX-like operating systems more and more for each day I use them 00:21:44 <Ailure> so I don't feel as bound by the X86 platform 00:24:27 <Bjarni> hehe... some woman paid a company to find a job for her that matched her profile... something came up.... 00:24:31 <Bjarni> sperm donor 00:24:33 <Bjarni> :D 00:24:38 <Ailure> hahahaha 00:24:54 *** Mucht_ [~Mucht@p57A0E0B9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 00:25:06 <Bjarni> I think that's a "money back" case 00:25:39 <Ailure> or the woman in question was a hermaphrodite 00:25:55 <Bjarni> also.... "professionally sperm donor". Is that really a profession? 00:26:06 <Sacro> err... 00:26:13 <Sacro> http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1774933 :D 00:26:17 <Bjarni> <Ailure> or the woman in question was a hermaphrodite <-- no... they just screwed up big time 00:26:32 <Bjarni> Sacro: old 00:26:47 <Bjarni> and still more weird than funny :P 00:26:47 <Sacro> but sit and fart in my duck 00:27:44 <Bjarni> hmm 00:27:48 <Ailure> heh 00:27:51 <Bjarni> Sacro makes no sense at all 00:27:55 <Bjarni> nothing new there :P 00:28:03 <Ailure> every language seem to have a related language that tend to misinterpreted way off 00:28:07 <Ailure> like with swedish and turkish 00:28:24 <Bjarni> Swedish and Turkish??? 00:28:27 <Ailure> yeah 00:28:34 <Eddi|zuHause> how exactly are those "related"? 00:28:40 <Ailure> they aren't 00:28:50 <Ailure> swedish and english are more closely related 00:28:54 <Bjarni> Ailure: are you contaminated with Sacro? 00:29:01 <Ailure> but it's was a short-timed fad to take turkish music videos 00:29:09 <Ailure> and then attach swedish interpetions 00:29:13 <Ailure> like with this "fart in a duck" 00:30:07 <Bjarni> I heard a commercial once on the radio. Some Swede went to Denmark to look for affairs... at least that's how the Dane heard it 00:30:50 <Bjarni> there is also the frokost<->frÃ¥kost timing 00:31:27 <Eddi|zuHause> can you eat that? 00:31:35 <Bjarni> yeah 00:31:44 <Bjarni> one is lunch, the other is breakfast 00:31:58 <Bjarni> hence the timing remark 00:32:12 <Ailure> ah yeah 00:32:13 <Bjarni> sounds like the Swedes get up late 00:32:21 <Ailure> swedish for lunch is uhm 00:32:22 <Ailure> lunch 00:32:24 <Ailure> :) 00:32:39 <Eddi|zuHause> oh yes, "frÃŒh" 00:33:44 <Bjarni> last time I went deep into Sweden, I ran into a closed shop. It was closed due to "semester"... only Swedes would do nothing during semester :P 00:34:48 <Eddi|zuHause> "what time is it?" - "tuesday" - "not that specific, i just wanted to know summer or winter semester" 00:36:55 <Sacro> half mittwoch 00:36:59 <Sacro> err 00:37:00 <Sacro> halp 00:38:16 *** Arpad [~Gali@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:38:25 <Bjarni> <piro> well, irc is the realm of dictatorships, not democracy 00:38:37 <Bjarni> so be nice to me 00:39:00 <Eddi|zuHause> Sacro: b, not p 00:39:08 <Sacro> i was close 00:39:23 <Eddi|zuHause> close is not enough 00:40:08 *** Sacro was kicked from #openttd by Bjarni [learn how to spell] 00:40:16 <Ailure> [02:33] <Bjarni> last time I went deep into Sweden, I ran into a closed shop. It was closed due to "semester"... only Swedes would do nothing during semester :P 00:40:18 <Ailure> haha yeah 00:40:19 <Bjarni> NOT close enough :P 00:40:40 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 00:40:40 <Ailure> the other way around confused me while learning english 00:40:42 <Sacro> :( 00:41:33 *** Arpad [~Gali@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 00:42:05 <Eddi|zuHause> what does "semester" mean in sweden? 00:43:06 <ln-> holiday 00:43:49 <Eddi|zuHause> "holiday" is a weird word also 00:44:00 <Bjarni> yeah 00:44:09 <Bjarni> so is the concept 00:44:22 <Ailure> holiday 00:44:24 <Bjarni> I mean... time to do nothing? 00:44:29 <Ailure> no 00:44:31 <Eddi|zuHause> there is not much "holy" about most of those days 00:44:33 <Ailure> lots of time for openTTD :) 00:44:55 <Ailure> TtD is weird like that 00:44:59 <Ailure> I can get very bored at it 00:45:08 <Ailure> but after a few week i'm playing it obessivly again 00:45:09 <Bjarni> so... how many young people get drunk during their "holy days" these days? 00:45:26 <Ailure> I never gotten drunk myself so I dunno 00:45:48 <Ailure> but almost all of my clasmates in the gymansium got drunk each weekend 00:45:51 <Ailure> or at least, so it seemed 00:47:09 <Bjarni> hehe... just found a file called snowball.jpg on my HD. I didn't remember it so I opened it and it's some stranger making a snowball 00:47:10 <Bjarni> ... 00:47:27 <Bjarni> turned out that the scanner software installed it as an example file 00:47:28 <Ailure> hey, at least it could been lots worse 00:47:34 <Ailure> with that name 00:47:42 <Bjarni> it could? 00:47:45 <Ailure> there's something called snowballing 00:47:49 <Ailure> i'm not gonna explain what it is 00:47:53 <Ailure> just google it if you're curious 00:47:55 <Bjarni> maybe I don't want to know :P 00:48:07 <Bjarni> considering you called it worse 00:48:29 <Ailure> heh 00:48:53 <Bjarni> heh... reminds me of when I found sofia.jpg and didn't remember it either 00:49:05 <Bjarni> turned out to be the Dm3 called Sofia :) 00:49:41 <Bjarni> not to mention the road train driving in the town of Kathrine 00:49:45 <Ailure> oh 00:49:47 <Ailure> haha the train 00:49:49 <Ailure> haha 00:49:56 <Ailure> just looked it up 00:50:08 <Ailure> never seen one of thoose 00:50:33 <Bjarni> They drive between Kiruna and Narvik, so it's not that many people, who have seen them 00:50:45 <Bjarni> they are nice engines though 00:50:52 <Bjarni> but kind of big 00:51:01 <Bjarni> 35 meters and 286 tons 00:51:36 <Ailure> most trains I see are either RcX trains 00:51:39 <Ailure> Ãresundst$BiH(B 00:51:44 <Ailure> or X2000 trains 00:51:49 <Ailure> and lately, also p$BiH(Bat$BiH(B 00:52:04 <Ailure> I remember seeing them in my childhood, but I hadn't started seeing them around here until last year oddly 00:52:18 <ln-> wtf p$Bih language is that? 00:52:27 <Ailure> Swedish 00:52:48 <Ailure> and with RCX 00:52:50 <ln-> they didn't use dollar signs in swedish last time i was learning it. 00:52:56 <Ailure> I mean anything between RC1-RC6 00:52:57 <Ailure> :P 00:53:04 <ln-> especially not in the middle of words. 00:53:10 <Ailure> oh 00:53:13 <Ailure> that's encoding issue then 00:53:25 <Ailure> Probably my fault 00:54:03 <ln-> kunde den vara utf-7 eller nÃ¥nting sÃ¥dant.. 00:54:06 <Eddi|zuHause> what kind of weird encoding is that? 00:54:42 <Eddi|zuHause> but utf-7 is more like "+abcxyz-" i thought 00:55:08 <Ailure> I suspect I'm just sending ANSI 00:55:22 <Ailure> and your client was expecting UTF-8 encoding or something 00:55:57 *** Arpad [~Gali@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:56:23 <Eddi|zuHause> that usually gives other results... 00:56:35 <ln-> jo, men den borde autodetektera latin-1 i alla fall. 00:56:37 <Eddi|zuHause> like chinese letters 00:56:42 <Ailure> visserligen 00:56:44 <Ailure> and heh 00:56:50 <Ailure> maybe I need to upgrade my client 00:57:10 <Ailure> I'm using some old version of mIRC I hadn't gotten around upgrading 00:57:23 <Ailure> Thought I wouldn't mind switching to a more open source client similar to mIRC 00:58:23 <Ailure> hmm 00:58:26 <Ailure> it could be Windows-1252 too 00:58:37 <Ailure> unlikely though 00:59:07 <Ailure> there's lots of charcther encodings 00:59:11 <Ailure> usually variations on ANSI 00:59:18 <ln-> nej, windows-1252 Àr för det mesta densamma som latin-1. 00:59:24 <Ailure> ah ok 00:59:44 <ln-> speciellt À, ö, Ã¥ har samma vÀrden. 00:59:46 <Ailure> UTF-8 is same as ASCII for the first seven bits 01:00:01 <Ailure> well ok, ASCII is only seven bits ;) 01:00:14 <Eddi|zuHause> most of the time, windows-1252 texts are mislabeled as latin-1 01:00:32 <Ailure> and ANSI or any encoding related to it 01:00:36 <Ailure> is mislabelled as ASCII 01:00:41 <Eddi|zuHause> but there are only a handful of characters different 01:01:13 <Ailure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_page_437 01:01:18 <Ailure> this is probably one of the strangest variations 01:01:35 <Ailure> apart from null, the control charcthers was replaced by silly symbols 01:02:02 <Eddi|zuHause> why is that silly? 01:03:03 <Ailure> You rarely see them honestly used :P 01:03:16 <Ailure> I only seen the smiley face used in the game ZZT and sometimes when hell breaks loose 01:03:26 <Eddi|zuHause> when viewing hex dumps they are far more useful than hearing "beep" all the time 01:03:31 <Ailure> haha true 01:03:34 <Ailure> the bell charcther 01:03:35 <Ailure> oh god 01:03:40 <Ailure> I used to have fun with that 01:03:42 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B848C1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:03:59 <Ailure> I made a looping batfile with the bell charcther being printed out constantly 01:04:02 <Ailure> lots of beeping 01:04:03 <Ailure> :) 01:04:20 <Ailure> On really oldschool computers, a bell would been ringing instead 01:04:26 <Eddi|zuHause> i know someone who kept sending that character to the printer :p 01:05:00 <Eddi|zuHause> (which then also beeped) 01:05:06 <Ailure> Often it was used for "Ok i'm done, give me more input" 01:05:09 <Ailure> and hahaha 01:05:21 <Bjarni> Rc is awesome 01:05:23 <Ailure> what kind of printer was that? 01:05:30 <Eddi|zuHause> i have no idea 01:05:31 <Ailure> and if you're talking about the engine, it is :) 01:05:32 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B84574.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 01:05:35 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 01:05:41 <Bjarni> it's stuck with 16 2/3 Hz though 01:06:10 <Bjarni> they managed to get X2000 to drive to Copenhagen, hence they can drive on 50 Hz 01:06:22 <Ailure> heh 01:06:32 <Ailure> if that Swedish trainset was ever done D: 01:06:34 <ln-> did they manage to drive it back to sweden? 01:06:38 <Bjarni> :P 01:06:41 <Sacro> night peoples 01:06:45 <Bjarni> yeah 01:06:48 <Ailure> I want to play with Rc 01:06:57 <Ailure> ah 01:07:01 <Bjarni> I got one in my drawer 01:07:01 <Ailure> when did they try that? 01:07:08 <Ailure> heh, a model? 01:07:12 <Bjarni> yeah 01:07:13 <Eddi|zuHause> Ailure: i think CP437 was the default in DOS 01:07:16 <Bjarni> I need to fix it though 01:07:23 <Bjarni> can't drive at the moment 01:07:43 <Bjarni> a "friend" of mine wrecked it 01:07:45 <Ailure> Eddit: Yes it was 01:08:05 <Bjarni> <Ailure> when did they try that? <-- every day. It's in the schedule 01:08:14 <Ailure> :o 01:08:26 <Bjarni> they also has both Danish and Swedish ATC 01:08:27 <Ailure> heh 01:08:29 <Eddi|zuHause> and if someone switched to 850, you got all weird characters instead of box borders 01:08:31 <Ailure> I never travelled with X2000 01:08:36 <Ailure> so I hadn't paid much attention to it's schedule 01:08:42 <ln-> Bjarni: what planes is SAS using between Copenhagen and Turku at the moment? 01:08:48 <Ailure> since it's more expensive than the regular trains 01:09:07 <Bjarni> ln-: I have no idea, but it's not Dash-8 Q 400 01:09:28 <Bjarni> they grounded all of them until they are fully aware of what's going on with them 01:10:05 <Bjarni> and some expert went on TV today and told them to discard all of them if they want to save their image 01:10:25 <Bjarni> Bombadier has a really bad case in this :s 01:10:39 <Ailure> ah yeah 01:10:48 <ln-> i've flown with one once... it survived. 01:10:57 <Ailure> the aircraft with high crash rate 01:11:20 <ln-> but why the hell are they "all" suddenly breaking up within few weeks, even outside SAS? 01:12:21 <ln-> hmmm.. http://www.finavia.fi/lentoasema_turku?pg=flights 01:13:33 *** De_Ghosty [~c4command@CPE0050ba8caf2c-CM0011aec4b06a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:14:03 <Bjarni> http://tog.photos.me.uk/c1025845.html <-- X2000 in Denmark 01:14:24 <Ailure> heh 01:14:41 <Ailure> most, if not all go through where I live 01:14:46 *** De_Ghosty [~c4command@CPE0050ba8caf2c-CM0011aec4b06a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #openttd 01:15:57 <ln-> Bjarni: do you smoke? 01:16:08 <Bjarni> no 01:16:15 <ln-> surprising 01:16:20 <Bjarni> http://tog.photos.me.uk/p41532703.html <-- hehe... look at the map :D 01:16:57 <Ailure> wth 01:16:59 <Ailure> where is that 01:16:59 <Ailure> xD 01:17:09 <Ailure> is it upside down? 01:17:12 <Bjarni> yes 01:17:16 <Ailure> ahahaha 01:17:20 <Ailure> no wonder I couldn't recnoize it 01:17:45 <Bjarni> so it's Germany on the top, you are to the left and so on 01:18:02 <Ailure> yeah 01:18:06 <Ailure> H$BgT(Bsleholm should be on that mpa even 01:18:08 *** Arpad [~Gali@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 01:18:14 <Ailure> the rightmost green line 01:18:19 <Ailure> or leftmost in this upside down map 01:18:21 <Bjarni> you really should fix your encoding 01:18:24 <Ailure> is the line going through my town 01:18:29 <Eddi|zuHause> must be an australian map manufacturer :p 01:18:32 <Ailure> Hassleholm 01:18:33 <Ailure> :P 01:18:59 <Bjarni> H$BgT(Bsleholm <--- I sort of can read that, but it's still annoying 01:19:01 <Ailure> its funny too 01:19:18 <Ailure> the building I live and study in 01:19:22 <Ailure> is called "Norra station" 01:19:32 <Ailure> but ironically, it have nothing to do with trains, apart from being next to a train station 01:19:45 <Ailure> It's mostly IT education here 01:20:15 <Bjarni> huh 01:20:23 <Eddi|zuHause> there are entire villages here that are called like "XYZ Station" 01:20:31 <Bjarni> I have a desktop image of Nora Station from Sweden 01:20:39 <Ailure> ...seriously? 01:20:41 <Bjarni> yes 01:21:08 <Ailure> hmm 01:21:19 <Bjarni> well, I have a bunch of images and it selects a random one every 30th minute 01:21:20 <Ailure> Can you upload it somewhere haha 01:21:25 <Ailure> ah 01:21:40 <Ailure> it might be totally unrelated 01:21:49 <Ailure> since there might be more than one place with that nae 01:21:51 <Ailure> *name 01:22:58 <Bjarni> http://www.student.dtu.dk/~s991088/Nora040727.jpg 01:23:18 <Ailure> yep unrelated 01:23:25 <Ailure> can tell right away :) 01:23:31 <Ailure> there's no lake nearby 01:23:55 <ln-> zomfg, a the-kind-of-dmu-that-were-also-in-use-in-finland. 01:23:56 <Bjarni> but your place has more buildings around it 01:23:59 <Ailure> dunno about the age 01:24:03 <Ailure> of that photo 01:24:16 <Ailure> but I'm quite sure this line here been electrified for a really long time now 01:24:36 <Ailure> so that would count it out too 01:24:39 <Eddi|zuHause> where is the "M" part of "DMU" there? 01:24:41 <Ailure> it looks like it was taken in the 80's 01:24:56 <Ailure> Eddi: Haha good point 01:24:58 <Ailure> it's more of a railcar 01:25:04 <Ailure> or whatever they were called 01:25:13 <Bjarni> that type of DMU... when the Swedish shortlines closed 50 years ago, a lot of Danish lines closed too. 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Verlassend] 11:29:25 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387EFA9.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 11:40:14 <SpComb> "Landscape: Toyland ;-0" 11:41:03 <Eddi|zuHause2> lmao 11:41:45 <boekabart> ? 11:49:19 <SpComb> http://www.openttd.org/server_detail.php?id=8833 12:01:45 *** Gekko [~gekko@CPE-58-166-116-114.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Quit: http://bbqsrc.net] 12:07:00 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-155-247.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 12:12:16 *** Darkebie [~dkb@d5153D5CD.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 12:43:47 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 12:43:50 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:55:48 *** Arpad [~Gali@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 13:00:41 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-155-247.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: ThePizzaKing] 13:07:07 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB7788.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:20:05 *** exe [~dgxczv@pub70089.brzesko.net.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:24:19 <SpComb> http://tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=34194 13:29:14 <SpComb> Rule #1 of adding copyright/license headers to your code: make sure you have the newest version of the code in svn, for you WILL corrupt your code 13:30:21 <SpComb> in my case, for f in {daemon,openttd}/*.py_ web/web/*/*.py_; do echo cat license-header $f > $f; done; 13:30:35 <SpComb> forgot to escape the > after I added the echo at the start 13:31:12 <hylje> :o 13:31:31 <SpComb> and the sudden presence of a file called *.py in daemon/ didn't help things 13:32:29 <SpComb> cat foo bar > foo doesn't work, cat complains that the input and output files are the same, so you have to cat it out to foo_, and them mv foo_ back to foo 13:40:52 *** Amixwoktest [Michal@cm-84.208.152.166.chello.no] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:43:06 <Eddi|zuHause2> usually, you just end up with empty files... 13:43:24 *** prakti [~prakti@port-213-148-152-8.static.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 13:43:32 <SpComb> or you have the license header twice in each file 13:43:53 <SpComb> or you notice that you misplaced one of the comment marks, and now all the files have a syntax error in them 13:44:10 <hylje> quite.. fragile. 13:47:09 <Belugas> anyone can draw me a pile of credit cards on a 16x16 pic? 13:47:28 <Belugas> i really suck at drawing :P 13:52:17 * boekabart takes out his pile of credit cards and makes a picture with his phone 13:52:28 <boekabart> that's about 16x16 :) 13:56:08 <SpComb> 256 pixels? That's a lot that you're asking for, you know 13:57:47 * Belugas mumbles 13:58:08 *** Deathmaker [~Miranda@dslb-082-083-241-127.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:58:47 *** Amix [~Amix@cm-84.208.143.45.chello.no] has joined #openttd 13:59:30 *** nzvip [~svip@192.38.109.188] has joined #openttd 14:13:51 *** frosch123 [~mtce@pascal.math.tu-clausthal.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:16:02 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: glx * r11159 /trunk/src/fileio.cpp: -Fix (r11155): restore the ability to save in a non existing file 14:18:00 <Amix> Nice 14:18:19 <glx> only windows was affected 14:19:10 <Amix> ? 14:19:30 <Amix> Of the error? 14:19:51 <glx> @openttd commit 11155 14:19:51 <DorpsGek> glx: Commit by rubidium :: r11155 trunk/src/fileio.cpp (2007-09-24 19:15:42 UTC) 14:19:52 <DorpsGek> glx: -Fix [FS#1253]: work around a nasty MS CRT 8 SP1 bug making it virtually impossible to debug 32bpp games under MSVC (http://connect.microsoft.com/VisualStudio/feedback/ViewFeedback.aspx?FeedbackID=257606). Patch by boekabart. 14:20:34 <Amix> Glx: morphos couldnt save neither without the save dir 14:21:28 <glx> only morphos has this problem I think, on other platforms the save dir is created on start if it doesn't exist 14:23:53 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-147-246.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 14:24:12 <Amix> You should port openttd to Aros 14:24:40 <Amix> www.aros.org 14:24:59 <Amix> Open sourced amigaos 14:26:17 <nzvip> :o 14:26:21 <nzvip> What next? 14:26:24 <nzvip> The iPod? 14:26:30 <nzvip> The GameBoy Colour? 14:26:40 <nzvip> The first Atari? 14:26:41 <hylje> the nintendo DS 14:26:45 <Amix> Nintendo DS 14:26:53 <Amix> GPX2 14:26:56 <nzvip> I said GameBoy Colour. 14:27:02 <SpComb> my G15 keyboard 14:27:05 <nzvip> Because I was referring to the old one. 14:27:17 <hylje> DS would not be silly 14:27:21 <nzvip> True. 14:27:23 *** Mucht [~Mucht@p57A0F9F5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 14:27:29 <nzvip> :O! 14:27:34 <nzvip> A Konversation user. 14:28:03 <hylje> KDE :O! 14:28:34 <nzvip> I say. 14:28:35 <Eddi|zuHause2> where? 14:28:36 <Sionide> eurgh 14:28:43 <Sionide> KDE is wank :p 14:28:59 <Eddi|zuHause2> don't get religious 14:29:03 *** KouDy [~KouDy@85.207.64.178] has joined #openttd 14:29:11 <hylje> emacs sucks, use vim 14:29:19 <nzvip> o_o 14:29:26 <nzvip> I use nano, because... I dunno. 14:29:36 <nzvip> I guess because it isn't crazy. 14:29:43 <Eddi|zuHause2> i use Kate ;) 14:30:16 <nzvip> :P I regularly use gedit. 14:35:40 <Belugas> I use a client that fits my needs ^_^ 14:36:44 <hylje> .. we're talking about text editors 14:38:15 <Belugas> i use Notepad2 because i like the syntax highlights, i use Delphi EDI for the block manipulations and... i use test editors that fit my needs 14:38:30 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:38:34 <Belugas> er.... iDE 14:40:56 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 14:41:31 <boekabart> does anyone have a build of GRFMaker (from latest svn) ? 14:41:42 * boekabart doesn't have Delphi 14:41:59 <Belugas> i can provide that. 14:42:04 <boekabart> Belugas: I would love that 14:42:06 <hylje> delphi :o 14:42:06 <Belugas> give me a few moments 14:42:14 <boekabart> I suppose you have the svn url? 14:42:15 <Belugas> what do yo need it for? 14:42:26 <boekabart> to MakeGRF ! 14:42:40 <boekabart> (I want to see if I can help the dutch train set project) 14:42:52 <nzvip> Ooooh. 14:42:53 <nzvip> A Dutchie. 14:42:58 <Belugas> you're aware that it is highly experimental, for a stat 14:43:06 <boekabart> GRFMaker? 14:43:21 <Belugas> and that you will require the .lst file dutch tram is buil on 14:43:22 <boekabart> well, Purno was using it, and Hyr. too 14:43:35 <boekabart> Belugas: Purno gave me all that 14:43:47 <Belugas> they used the OLD one, not the one we're working on 14:43:50 <boekabart> plus it's all in the same SVN as GRFMaker too ;) 14:43:56 <nzvip> Let him has his fun, Belugas. 14:44:01 <nzvip> What's the worst that could happen? 14:44:07 <nzvip> That his computer crashes and burns? 14:44:12 <boekabart> well - 3.03 is fine for me 14:44:18 <nzvip> Even Vista haven't done *that* yet. 14:44:19 <boekabart> nzvip: Delphi can DO THAT? 14:44:28 <nzvip> On Vista, yes. 15:05:09 * Belugas is not happy at all with his icon, but it will do the job 15:07:51 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A4D65.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:09:16 *** raimar3 [~hawk@p5489F949.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:09:50 <skidd13> hi 15:11:33 <boekabart> Belugas: --------------------------- 15:11:33 <boekabart> GRF Maker [nsh1] 15:11:33 <boekabart> --------------------------- 15:11:33 <boekabart> Invalid filename. 15:11:33 <boekabart> --------------------------- 15:11:34 <boekabart> OK 15:11:34 <boekabart> --------------------------- 15:11:36 <boekabart> sorry 15:11:40 <boekabart> always 15:11:46 <boekabart> what me does wrong? ;) 15:11:55 <boekabart> (on GRF->Create GRF) 15:14:44 *** raimar2 [~hawk@p5489EEBC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:17:03 <Belugas> dunno 15:17:20 <boekabart> ill check tonight 15:17:27 <Belugas> not in the position to debug fun@work whikle do9ng work@work 15:17:37 <boekabart> :) 15:17:40 <boekabart> same here 15:29:03 *** Farden [~jk3farden@AMontsouris-156-1-123-154.w83-202.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 15:36:44 *** Iasjida [t7DS@201.86.17.211.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #openttd 15:36:45 *** Amix [~Amix@cm-84.208.143.45.chello.no] has quit [Quit: Amix] 15:39:17 *** raimar3 [~hawk@p5489F949.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:39:26 <Iasjida> hey, its possible to avoid trains killing roadvehicles in openttd? =[ 15:39:55 <Eddi|zuHause2> build bridges ;) 15:40:05 <boekabart> or tunnels. That's the only way 15:40:34 <Eddi|zuHause2> other option would be to provide a diff that introduces such a cheat 15:40:47 <Eddi|zuHause2> (cheats are automatically disabled in multiplayer) 15:41:01 <boekabart> what, disable the collision detection? 15:41:14 *** Rexxie [~rexxars@ti0140a340-0088.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 15:41:18 <Eddi|zuHause2> no, just let them break down instead of crash, or something... 15:41:34 <boekabart> on the rails? :D 15:41:42 <Eddi|zuHause2> yeah :p 15:42:43 *** boekabart [~boekabart@81.58.27.138] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:45:54 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@ip90.77.1311A-CUD12K-02.ish.de] has joined #openttd 15:46:16 <Iasjida> or do like ttdpatch: With Disasters OFF, trains cant kill roadvehicles 15:46:48 <SpComb> or disable road vehicles 15:46:59 <Iasjida> lol 15:47:03 <Belugas> trains killing roadvehicles are considered as disasters? 15:47:32 <Iasjida> in ttdpath, yes 15:47:57 <Progman> Belugas: it isn't where you live? ;) 15:47:59 <Iasjida> if you disable disasters, trains pass through roadvehicles 15:48:32 *** raimar3 [~hawk@p5489D384.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:49:00 <Iasjida> in a city with a lot of roadvehicles its impossible to use trains 15:49:01 <Iasjida> |= 15:49:33 <Iasjida> they kill all buses in 5 minutes 15:49:35 <Iasjida> xD 15:50:23 <hylje> i call that solving the problem naturally 15:50:38 <DaleStan> Iasjida, Belugas: No. Train/RV crashes are not disasters in TTDPatch. They're controlled by newrvcrash 15:53:06 *** elmex [~elmex@e180067018.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 15:53:07 *** orudge [~orudge@88-107-130-38.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 15:53:09 *** mode/#openttd [+o orudge] by ChanServ 15:53:33 <Iasjida> =/ 15:53:43 <Belugas> though so... 15:54:05 <Iasjida> so, a new option like TRAINS CAN KILL ROADVEHICLES? ON or OFF solve the problem 15:54:08 <Iasjida> xD 15:54:10 <Belugas> would make no sens at all... 15:54:34 *** raimar2 [~hawk@p5489E77A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:55:14 <Iasjida> or a really good system that STOPS the buses when they are about to cross a railway 15:56:09 <Belugas> where would be the fun at designing a good system if we temper you from accidents? 15:56:18 <Iasjida> but with that and maglev trains the roadvehicles dies anyway xD 15:56:26 <Belugas> and when to think people are crying for realism... 15:57:05 <Iasjida> simple: you like realism? TRAINS CAN KILL ROADVEHICLES ON 15:57:14 <Iasjida> you DONT like realism? TRAINS CAN KILL ROADVEHICLES OFF 15:57:15 <Iasjida> =| 15:57:25 <skidd13> Hmm, I think it is better placed at the cheats 15:57:49 <hylje> if you have anything more than occassional traffic on either the road or the rail 15:57:55 <hylje> do tunnel or bridge it 15:58:03 <Iasjida> or place at cheats, wherever... 15:58:06 *** elmex_ [~elmex@e180065247.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:58:25 <Belugas> i agree with skidd13 15:58:37 <Iasjida> but i cant do tunnels/bridges in ALL the city 15:58:39 <Iasjida> |= 15:59:04 <Iasjida> my english sucks, i know xD 15:59:17 * Belugas does not feel a urge at that cheat 15:59:24 * Belugas feels lazy 15:59:43 <skidd13> Iasjida: Someone has written something to prevent crashes. IIRC it was mart3p. But I'm not sure, seach the forums. 15:59:44 <skidd13> And with autoslope and enough planted trees every rail can be bridged :P 16:00:49 *** raimar3 [~hawk@p5489D384.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:01:28 <Iasjida> but why bridge every rail if i can only turn on or off a single option/cheat? xD 16:01:41 <hylje> :o 16:02:11 <Iasjida> and a lot of cities with 50k people are not so easy to do bridges |= 16:02:47 <hylje> autoslope 16:02:54 <glx> you just need 1 bridge, then add a very high penalty for crossings 16:03:14 <skidd13> Why playing a game that do NOT challenge you? 16:03:16 <hylje> also, is anybody looking at arbitrary bridgeheads now? 16:03:41 <Iasjida> "very high penalty for crossings" 16:03:42 <Iasjida> ??? 16:05:03 <glx> in openttd.cfg: npf_crossing_penalty for NPF, road_crossing_penalty for YAPF 16:08:47 <Iasjida> road_crossing_penalty = 300 16:09:07 <Iasjida> 3000000000? 16:09:16 <Iasjida> or 3000 is enought? 16:09:24 <Iasjida> *enough 16:09:53 <glx> 1000000 <-- this is the max 16:10:05 <glx> but 3000 should already make a difference 16:10:25 <Eddi|zuHause2> <Belugas> i agree with skidd13 <- hey, i said that first... 16:10:36 *** Wezz6400 [Wezz6400@145-118-111-250.fttx.bbned.nl] has joined #openttd 16:10:58 <Iasjida> k, thx 16:11:19 *** Iasjida [t7DS@201.86.17.211.adsl.gvt.net.br] has quit [Quit: The 7 Deadly Sins: are you ready for the future?   [www.t7ds.com.br]] 16:11:23 <Eddi|zuHause2> Iasjida: note that changing these values only affect new games 16:11:29 <Eddi|zuHause2> damn... 16:11:56 <glx> and /me was typing the instructions to change it in running game 16:12:13 <Eddi|zuHause2> through console i assume 16:12:17 <glx> yes 16:12:53 <Eddi|zuHause2> well, if he really cares, he will be back :p 16:13:17 <glx> saying "hey that doesn't work" ;) 16:14:49 *** raimar3 [~hawk@p5489D01E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:16:49 *** raimar2 [~hawk@p5489E77A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:21:00 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-226-107-201.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 16:25:55 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5ac8e32d.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 16:40:01 *** Grey [~Greyscale@host86-150-128-187.range86-150.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 16:40:25 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A43614.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:40:33 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:46:43 *** Greyscale [~Greyscale@host86-150-128-187.range86-150.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:47:26 *** Grey_ [~Greyscale@host86-150-128-187.range86-150.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 16:49:21 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has joined #openttd 16:50:26 *** Greyscale [~Greyscale@host86-150-128-187.range86-150.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 16:53:43 *** Grey [~Greyscale@host86-150-128-187.range86-150.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:55:31 *** Grey_ [~Greyscale@host86-150-128-187.range86-150.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:55:34 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A43614.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:59:15 *** Greyscale [~Greyscale@host86-150-128-187.range86-150.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:01:21 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x535ca25f.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 17:01:21 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 17:03:52 *** AntB [~AntB-UK@81.140.84.84] has joined #openttd 17:07:33 *** mode/#openttd [-b *!*Thiering_@*.pool.t-online.hu] by Bjarni 17:07:43 <Bjarni> let's see if his client works better now 17:09:47 <Eddi|zuHause2> you're feeling x 17:09:55 <Eddi|zuHause2> experimental today? 17:11:01 <Bjarni> something like that 17:11:25 * Rubidium knows something else that would be very experimental for Bjarni ;) 17:11:54 <Bjarni> you are right 17:12:02 <Bjarni> but I still wouldn't start smoking :P 17:13:29 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host240-239-dynamic.15-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 17:14:15 <Wolf01> hello 17:14:18 <Rubidium> Bjarni: was thinking about something more useful for this community 17:14:20 <Bjarni> hi there 17:15:25 <Bjarni> Rubidium: I know what you mean... however I'm pretty tired right now :( 17:19:05 <Bjarni> looks like the unbanning didn't result in spam... at least not right away 17:24:57 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:46:36 *** AntB [~AntB-UK@81.140.84.84] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:47:12 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB7788.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai] 17:50:17 *** Greyscale [~Greyscale@host86-134-221-2.range86-134.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 17:58:01 *** prakti [~prakti@port-213-148-152-8.static.qsc.de] has quit [Quit: Quitting .... Hackedi...hackedi...weg.] 18:05:43 *** [Surge] [~Surge@dsl-241-217-144.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #openttd 18:06:45 <[Surge]> Mark: Can you take a look in the other game when you get a chance? Thanks. 18:07:46 *** Hendikins [~wolfox@CPE-124-189-1-28.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:07:55 *** Hendikins [~wolfox@CPE-124-189-1-28.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 18:08:55 *** boekabart [~bdb@ip218-114-173-82.adsl2.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 18:09:17 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A43614.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 18:10:19 *** boekabart [~bdb@ip218-114-173-82.adsl2.versatel.nl] has left #openttd [] 18:19:27 *** Arpad [~Gali@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:19:55 <skidd13> Rubidium: I updated FS1090. Are you ok with it now? 18:25:25 *** Arpad [~Gali@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 18:42:24 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 19:00:10 *** [Surge] [~Surge@dsl-241-217-144.telkomadsl.co.za] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:01:42 *** dihedral [~dihedral@dslb-084-056-209-206.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 19:07:01 *** Arpad [~Gali@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:07:24 *** orudge [~orudge@88-107-130-38.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:10:25 *** glx|away [~glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 19:10:28 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx|away] by ChanServ 19:10:59 *** glx is now known as Guest1124 19:10:59 *** glx|away is now known as glx 19:12:02 *** Guest1124 [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:12:13 <dihedral> hello guys 19:12:18 *** orudge [~orudge@88-107-158-184.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 19:14:08 *** Arpad [~Gali@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 19:19:48 *** guru3 [~guru3@90-227-129-150-no21.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:20:31 *** Grey [~Greyscale@host86-131-40-217.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 19:24:58 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A4D65.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 19:26:08 *** Greyscale [~Greyscale@host86-134-221-2.range86-134.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:26:16 *** guru3 [~guru3@90-227-129-150-no21.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 19:31:31 *** guru3 [~guru3@90-227-129-150-no21.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:31:59 *** guru3 [~guru3@90-227-129-150-no21.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 19:40:15 *** boekabart [~bdb@ip218-114-173-82.adsl2.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 19:41:41 *** G_ [~njones@202-154-149-198.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #openttd 19:43:26 *** G [~njones@202-154-149-198.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:43:35 *** CIA-1 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:47:20 *** ment [thement@ibawizard.net] has joined #openttd 19:47:32 <ment> hello 19:47:53 <Bjarni> hi 19:54:39 <Bjarni> looks idle tonight 19:59:57 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:02:00 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 20:06:29 *** Wezz6400 [Wezz6400@145-118-111-250.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [] 20:08:47 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A43614.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 20:14:25 <ment> may I have a question? how to add new packet type for client with two u32 fields in some portable way? 20:16:33 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-111-234.fttx.bbned.nl] has joined #openttd 20:18:08 <Belugas> are you talking of network operations? for ottd? 20:19:13 <ment> yep 20:19:54 <ment> sending struct { unsigned long } over network is not a good idea i think 20:20:51 *** CIA-1 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has joined #openttd 20:24:55 <Belugas> why is that? 20:28:05 <ment> because sizeof(unsigned long) differs on 64bit machines and I'm not sure about uint64_t on MSVC 20:28:37 <glx> we only send bytes over the network 20:29:42 *** AntB [~AntB-UK@81.140.90.13] has joined #openttd 20:31:20 <ment> ah, I see, there are NetworkRecv_uint* functions 20:32:44 <glx> check packet.h 20:33:13 <glx> and packet.cpp 20:38:19 <Belugas> does it help, ment? 20:38:24 <Bjarni> ment: are we allowed to know what you are trying to make? :) 20:39:58 <ment> yes :) 20:40:20 <ment> I'm trying to implement something like SCROLL_AT packet type to force client to scroll at certain positions 20:40:59 <Bjarni> so one client can tell another client to scroll to a certain tile? 20:41:17 <glx> ment: nice when you are building something 20:41:39 <ment> nope, the server tells the client, I'm modifying openttd to act as screensaver 20:41:57 <ment> it will be neat in lab with 20 computers in a row 20:42:10 <Bjarni> what if client A is building something and client B use this feature just before client A click to build? Wouldn't Client A then build the "something" at another location? 20:42:26 <ment> the server will also have a mapping ip <-> position in map 20:42:29 <glx> ment: make it work only for spectators 20:43:32 <Progman> ment: I'm not sure about network stuff but doesn't have the Cmd*-Handlers already got a TileIndex parameter for this? 20:43:42 <Bjarni> what if it could open a viewport on the other clients using the same company? 20:44:47 <Bjarni> DoCommandP() sends a TileIndex and 64 bits of parameters 20:45:20 <Bjarni> I wondered about this, but I'm not sure if it's a good idea 20:45:37 <Bjarni> commands are meant to do stuff in the game like building stuff 20:45:42 <Bjarni> not scroll to stuff 20:46:52 <Bjarni> also couldn't this be abused :/ 20:47:13 <Progman> it all depends on ment idea what acually to do ;) 20:47:14 <Bjarni> like some player joins a game and uses this over and over 20:47:59 <ment> like I said 20:48:15 <ment> I'm trying to convince OpenTTD to act as screensaver 20:49:33 <ment> and I need to force clients too focus on certain position to reproduce train-moving-to-next-computer effect 20:53:23 *** Amixwoktest [Michal@cm-84.208.152.166.chello.no] has joined #openttd 20:53:24 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB7788.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:53:39 *** boekabart [~bdb@ip218-114-173-82.adsl2.versatel.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:55:37 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 20:56:39 <ment> http://ment.ibawizard.net/train.txt 21:17:59 *** Zavior [~zavior@d195-237-7-209.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:17:59 *** orudge [~orudge@88-107-158-184.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:17:59 *** G [~njones@202-154-149-198.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #openttd 21:17:59 *** G_ [~njones@202-154-149-198.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:17:59 *** orudge [~orudge@88-107-158-184.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 21:18:01 *** SpComb [terom@zapotek.paivola.fi] has joined #openttd 21:19:30 *** Frostregen_ [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-144-252.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 21:25:13 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@84.58.153.120] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:25:40 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 21:34:41 *** KouDy [~KouDy@85.207.64.178] has quit [Quit: Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com] 21:36:31 <Amixwoktest> i cant join the server in latest nightlybuild 21:37:06 <Amixwoktest> could not load savegame it says 21:38:09 <glx> did it work before? 21:40:10 <Wolf01> 'night 21:40:14 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host240-239-dynamic.15-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 21:46:00 *** Osai is now known as Osai^zZz 21:57:04 <ln-> http://kuvat2.iltasanomat.fi/iltasanomat/iDoc/1439602-tankkiots.jpg 22:02:08 <Bjarni> nice offer 22:02:17 <Bjarni> but where is it? 22:02:33 <Bjarni> I mean it would matter if you have to pay to get it to your place 22:03:42 <Bjarni> bahh.. found the article... still can't read it :P 22:04:05 <ln-> it's not an offer, it's the the actual price that was eventually paid for it. 22:04:27 <ln-> an auction 22:04:37 <Bjarni> ahh 22:04:50 <Bjarni> see, I didn't understand the text :P 22:05:05 <Bjarni> speaking of Finnish, I met a guy named Valle 22:05:35 <Bjarni> named after some skiing guy... he has no Finnish relatives o_O 22:06:33 <Amixwoktest> i forgot to add autosave dir inside save dir 22:06:34 <Amixwoktest> ;p 22:07:07 <glx> Amixwoktest: I though about that ;) 22:13:13 *** svippery [~svip@cpe.atm2-0-78233.0x535a2072.boanxx18.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 22:13:13 *** svippy [~svip@cpe.atm2-0-78233.0x535a2072.boanxx18.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:14:48 <Amixwoktest> glx: i dont know how dirs are created in amigaos 22:15:11 <Amixwoktest> i just know that amigaos is pretty different to lots of other operating systems 22:15:19 <Bjarni> why should we care? It's MorphOS that we support ;) 22:15:40 <Amixwoktest> a good example is the project to bring Firefox to morphos. its a hopeless battle ;p 22:15:57 <Amixwoktest> Bjarni: morphos and amigaos is pretty much the same 22:16:25 <Bjarni> ok, then tell me why OpenTTD is ported to MorphOS, but not AmigaOS 22:16:27 <Amixwoktest> SFS is the filesystem most use. Not Fat32, NTFS etc 22:16:48 <Amixwoktest> Bjarni: different exec etc 22:17:07 <Amixwoktest> shouldnt be a problem supporting AmigaOS at all 22:17:44 <Bjarni> instead of hacking every single app to deal with directories in the Amiga way, wouldn't it be better to make MorphOS allow POSIX directory creation? 22:17:56 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-111-234.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [Quit: brb] 22:18:29 <Bjarni> I mean... it would make porting a lot easier and faster 22:18:41 <Bjarni> and easier and faster porting would result in more software 22:18:45 <Amixwoktest> hehe 22:18:51 <Amixwoktest> tell the coders of morphos that 22:18:53 <glx> Amixwoktest: when running 'openttd -d misc4' do you get some "...added as search path" lines ? 22:18:55 <Amixwoktest> i am no developer 22:19:12 <Amixwoktest> i can try 22:19:42 <Bjarni> <Amixwoktest> tell the coders of morphos that <-- you have a better chance of reaching them 22:19:58 <Bjarni> for all I know, we could discontinue support for MorphOS and it would still work for me :P 22:20:21 <Amixwoktest> no 22:20:27 <Amixwoktest> morphos is pretty closed 22:21:43 <Amixwoktest> glx: here,... 22:21:45 <Amixwoktest> Enter:Games2/OpenTTD-nightly> openttd -d misc4 22:21:45 <Amixwoktest> dbg: [misc] Scanning for tars 22:21:45 <Amixwoktest> dbg: [misc] Scan complete, found 0 files 22:21:45 <Amixwoktest> dbg: [misc] Enter:Games2/OpenTTD-nightly/ added as search path 22:21:45 <Amixwoktest> dbg: [misc] Enter:Games2/OpenTTD-nightly/ found as personal directory 22:22:11 *** Jango [~daniel@puritan.demon.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:22:20 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387EFA9.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:22:27 <Amixwoktest> Bjarni: i am very happy that you support MorphOS version. 22:22:36 <Amixwoktest> I love it! Continue with it :) 22:22:48 <glx> ok so it should create dirs at the end of the function printing that 22:23:00 *** Darkebie [~dkb@d5153D5CD.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: VIP Gill ;D] 22:23:27 <Amixwoktest> glx: dont know 22:23:39 <Amixwoktest> in morphos it starts the app then 22:24:31 <glx> mkdir seems to not work 22:25:02 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-111-234.fttx.bbned.nl] has joined #openttd 22:25:15 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387DFD4.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 22:25:37 <Bjarni> <Amixwoktest> Bjarni: i am very happy that you support MorphOS version. <-- I don't mind supporting it, but I'm at a loss on how to solve issues like this 22:26:40 *** dihedral [~dihedral@dslb-084-056-209-206.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:27:18 <Amixwoktest> glx: http://home.powertech.no/micbergs/OpenTTD/test.jpg 22:27:25 <Amixwoktest> it looks like this ;) 22:27:39 <ln-> jpg is not the format for screenshots. 22:27:44 <glx> yes the output is ok 22:27:46 <Amixwoktest> Bjarni: they arent important 22:27:59 <Bjarni> ... 22:28:11 <Bjarni> crashes aren't important? 22:28:20 <Amixwoktest> they are 22:28:24 <Bjarni> or failure to save 22:28:24 <glx> Amixwoktest: open a bug report on http://bugs.openttd.org 22:28:26 *** elmex [~elmex@e180067018.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:28:41 <Amixwoktest> but if the nightly builds came with save and savegame dir etc 22:28:58 <Amixwoktest> that would be nice 22:29:07 <Bjarni> Amixwoktest: make a bug report and add the output as a plain text file... always nicer to look at than a jpg 22:29:10 <glx> it should create it, so we won't change all makefile stuff just for that 22:29:13 <Bjarni> also you can copy paste if needed 22:29:44 <Amixwoktest> i havent registered ;p 22:29:46 <Amixwoktest> can i? 22:29:51 <Bjarni> yes 22:30:01 <Bjarni> we don't have a fee for opening new accounts 22:30:04 <Bjarni> just sign up 22:30:13 <Amixwoktest> morphos users are a bit like osx users. gui lovers ;) 22:30:22 <Amixwoktest> oki 22:30:27 <Bjarni> I prefer the terminal :P 22:30:41 <Bjarni> I guess the "Think different" fits me 22:30:50 <glx> Bjarni is an OSX user with a linux mind ;) 22:31:06 <Bjarni> but not in the way Apple intended when they made that slogan 22:31:55 <Bjarni> actually sometimes I prefer the terminal, sometimes the GUI... it really depends on the task I want to do 22:32:17 <Bjarni> so sometimes I switch back and forth really often 22:32:19 <Amixwoktest> Bjarni: hehe.. i love shell in mos.. so i use both. but in osx and linux.. well, i dont like the way command lines are made 22:33:22 <Bjarni> cp bin/data/tr*grf ../new_checkout/bin/data/ <-- try making that faster in GUI :P 22:34:00 <Bjarni> it's not needed to do this anymore since now it can just be placed in Documents/OpenTTD/data, but before it could be placed there, it was a line I used once in a while 22:34:09 <Amixwoktest> for a great coder as you are, i bet its better, but for me which works a lot with video and graphics stuff 22:34:22 *** orudge [~orudge@88-107-158-184.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:34:23 <Amixwoktest> i am bound to a os that is fast 22:34:30 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1FBA2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:34:34 <Bjarni> well 22:34:49 <Bjarni> make your account and verify that you get the confirmation mail 22:35:17 <glx> Bjarni: why cp them in new_checkout? 22:35:18 <Bjarni> or tell me if you fail to get it (the confirmation mailing thingie could be more stable than it is) 22:35:37 <Amixwoktest> if i use osx, windows, os/2 or any other os in lets say 3-4 weeks without using morphos. when getting back to morphos. now thats adrenaline ;) mos is really a fast OS. 22:35:57 * glx should backread better before replying ;) 22:36:05 <Amixwoktest> Bjarni: i have registered now. waiting for mail now :) 22:36:23 * Bjarni refuse to answer glx 22:36:32 <Bjarni> make better questions to make it worth my time :P 22:36:38 *** orudge [~orudge@88-107-158-184.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 22:36:47 <Amixwoktest> Bjarni: i am good at finding bugs. 22:37:07 <Amixwoktest> i already betatest WirelessIRC for Symbian. 22:37:23 <Amixwoktest> its one of the best irc clients now for a mobile device 22:37:57 <Bjarni> what nick did you select? 22:38:02 <Amixwoktest> Amix 22:38:03 <Amixwoktest> ;) 22:38:25 <Bjarni> not good 22:38:27 <Bjarni> it's not there 22:38:27 <Amixwoktest> i am betatesting Wookiechat aswell for morphos ;p 22:38:43 <Amixwoktest> ive got 22:38:50 <Amixwoktest> your confirmation code has been sent 22:39:26 <Bjarni> odd 22:39:31 <Bjarni> well 22:39:43 <Bjarni> PM me your data and I will create an account for you 22:42:54 <Sacro> orly? 22:42:58 <Amixwoktest> haha, your from Denmark ;) 22:43:04 <Amixwoktest> bjarni 22:43:05 <Amixwoktest> ;p 22:43:08 <Sacro> *you're 22:43:14 <Bjarni> *Bjarni 22:43:25 <Bjarni> and I fail to see the haha part 22:43:35 <Sacro> i do 22:43:57 <Bjarni> Sacro: shut up. You are from Hull... it beats everything 22:44:02 <Bjarni> even Hull itself :P 22:44:52 <Bjarni> Amixwoktest: and you are from the rebellious province of Norway 22:45:02 <Amixwoktest> hehe 22:45:26 <Amixwoktest> live in norway, born in poland 22:45:30 <ln-> Sacro: which one is your favourite turtle? 22:45:41 <Sacro> ln-: donatello 22:45:51 <Amixwoktest> donatello 22:45:54 <ln-> Bjarni: see, he didn't consider it an odd question. 22:46:07 <Sacro> though michealangelo was cool 22:46:07 <ln-> (which it isn't.) 22:46:19 <Bjarni> that's because everything around Sacro is odd, so he can't tell the difference 22:46:25 <Sacro> http://xkcd.com/197/ 22:46:30 <Bjarni> and wtf are you talking about 22:46:41 <Bjarni> <Amixwoktest> live in norway, born in poland <-- they still make those? 22:46:41 <ln-> favourite turtle. 22:46:47 <glx> michelangelo is the best for me 22:46:59 <Bjarni> ohh 22:47:03 <ln-> seems like everyone but Bjarni knows something. :) 22:47:08 <Bjarni> those pizza eating thingies 22:47:11 <Bjarni> never cared for them 22:47:12 <glx> yes 22:47:15 <Bjarni> thought they were silly 22:47:24 <Amixwoktest> Bjarni: make? 22:48:08 <Amixwoktest> oki 22:48:17 <Amixwoktest> how to turn debug on? 22:48:26 *** Farden [~jk3farden@AMontsouris-156-1-123-154.w83-202.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )] 22:48:27 <Bjarni> how can it be that you live in Norway? 22:48:49 <Bjarni> Poland is in need of labour, so are you afraid of working? 22:48:58 <Amixwoktest> hehe 22:49:03 <Amixwoktest> no 22:49:08 <Amixwoktest> i work 22:49:41 <Bjarni> browsing porn in a MorphOS browser is not considered work by western standard 22:49:46 <Bjarni> .. or maybe it is 22:49:50 <Amixwoktest> porn 22:49:52 <Amixwoktest> huh 22:50:04 <ln-> las tortugas ninja 22:50:07 <Amixwoktest> hentai rather ;p 22:50:15 <Bjarni> pervert 22:50:49 <glx> Amixwoktest no ecchi 22:50:56 <Amixwoktest> hehe 22:51:04 <Amixwoktest> 4chan ? 22:51:05 <Amixwoktest> ;p 22:51:15 <Bjarni> Amixwoktest: are you aware that hentai means pervert and is actually not a word that Japanese people would use about those images? 22:51:48 <Amixwoktest> hentai is pervert/porn 22:52:15 <Bjarni> maybe so, but it's still not one of the words that Japanese people use about it 22:52:28 <Sacro> http://image.bayimg.com/oahipaabd.jpg 22:52:47 <Amixwoktest> then you know more about that subject than me 22:53:10 <Bjarni> well 22:53:26 <Bjarni> according to people in here and elsewhere... I seem to know stuff 22:54:12 <Bjarni> Sacro: for once they actually told what's going on.... usually it's some hidden code with just the text 22:54:13 <Amixwoktest> i am pretty much into anime 22:54:18 <Amixwoktest> or japaneese cartoons 22:54:32 <Bjarni> anime != hentai 22:54:43 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:55:35 <Amixwoktest> anime is anime for us outside of japan 22:55:46 <Amixwoktest> hentai for us is porn 22:56:02 <Bjarni> correction: I'm outside Japan :P 22:56:19 <Amixwoktest> for japaneese people, anime means a cartoon. 22:56:21 <Bjarni> even though it appears that I'm not in the group you mention 22:56:27 <Amixwoktest> a disney cartoon is anime to them 22:57:26 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-111-234.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:58:19 <Bjarni> then where do manga fit in? 22:59:12 <glx> mang is a book 22:59:17 <glx> *manga 22:59:44 <Bjarni> I asked where it fits in for Amixwoktest 23:00:07 <Amixwoktest> ahh 23:00:12 <Amixwoktest> manga is comics 23:00:23 <Amixwoktest> comicbooks 23:00:37 <Amixwoktest> anime is rather cartoon 23:01:12 <Bjarni> so you fancy manga as well? 23:01:43 <Ailure> hmm 23:02:51 <Amixwoktest> typical difference from american and japaneese cartoons etc is that the endings of anime serier rather ends sad or that it dosent in a good way like in hollywood land. anime have everything from drama to comedy, from action to adventure. there are hundreds of anime series created in japan every year. 23:03:13 <Amixwoktest> end... 23:03:31 <Bjarni> I asked if you like them, not what it is 23:03:39 <Amixwoktest> yes 23:03:42 <Bjarni> I wouldn't ask something where I already know the answer :P 23:03:47 <Ailure> hmm 23:03:50 <Bjarni> then how about shoujo manga? 23:03:50 <Ailure> Anime heh 23:04:00 <Ailure> I like how they're diffrent from western cartoon and stuff 23:04:00 <Amixwoktest> i watch anime, but i dont read manga 23:04:08 <Ailure> but they also have a overly tendancy to use cliche elements 23:04:18 <Amixwoktest> Bjarni: i dont know much about manga, sorry 23:04:28 <Bjarni> dammit.... you didn't fell for it 23:05:12 <Bjarni> shoujo means girl, so I hoped to have caught you in an embarrassing answer :P 23:05:55 <Amixwoktest> i know there are mangas for kids, younger people, gays.. and offcourse for perverts ;) but japan have a different lifestyle, so kids are used to watch blood and violence from age of 5 etc 23:06:42 <Amixwoktest> One Piece is full of violence and blood.. but it just add nice things to a great adventure anime 23:07:00 <glx> Death Note is nice too 23:07:01 <Amixwoktest> in usa etc, they have censored guns, sigarettes and more 23:07:35 <ment> and vaginas too 23:07:58 <Amixwoktest> Guns is replaced with softguns, guns is replaced with lollipops and blood is offcourse taken away ;) 23:08:11 <Bjarni> I think vaginas are generally a no-no in children stories all over the world 23:08:26 <Amixwoktest> sigarettes ... 23:08:27 <Amixwoktest> doh 23:08:33 <Amixwoktest> i need to sleep soon 23:08:50 <Bjarni> I was about to say something about Norwegian spelling, but decided not to 23:09:04 <Amixwoktest> come on 23:09:25 <Bjarni> it was too easy :P 23:09:59 <Amixwoktest> bigfoot, which is one of the main coders of morphos is danish 23:10:07 <Amixwoktest> ;) 23:10:12 <Bjarni> I don't know him 23:10:27 <Amixwoktest> he ported Quake III for mos etc ;) 23:10:32 <Bjarni> however I do know that freeciv was made in à rhus 23:10:43 <Bjarni> by some guys, who could beat everybody in it 23:10:58 <Amixwoktest> ahh 23:11:01 <Amixwoktest> freeciv 23:11:07 <Amixwoktest> never got into that game 23:11:37 *** Ben_1 [~Ben@81.168.45.60] has joined #openttd 23:11:44 <Amixwoktest> i love playing Super Stardust HD for PS3 though :) 23:12:09 *** Jezral [~projectjj@users.kollegienet.dk] has joined #openttd 23:14:37 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5ac8e32d.bb.sky.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:14:51 *** Sionide [sionide@cornflakes.imen.org.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:16:20 *** Sionide [sionide@cornflakes.imen.org.uk] has joined #openttd 23:16:30 * Bjarni just realised something 23:16:30 <Bjarni> for the record: I don't spent ages on anime and manga even though it may look like that based on what I said before 23:16:30 <Bjarni> in fact I never even read a single manga 23:17:23 <Bjarni> and I'm pretty sure Amixwoktest has seen a whole lot more anime 23:17:55 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-70-25.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 23:18:00 <Amixwoktest> hehe 23:18:06 <Amixwoktest> some 23:18:07 <ment> and you can stop watching it whenever you want 23:18:10 <Amixwoktest> but not that much 23:18:25 <Amixwoktest> i am mostly into morphos stuff 23:18:26 <Amixwoktest> hehe 23:18:35 <Amixwoktest> been amiga user since 1988 ;p 23:18:47 *** _Ben_ [~Ben@81.168.45.60] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:19:02 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@users.kollegienet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:19:26 *** Ben_1 is now known as _Ben_ 23:20:22 *** Grey_ [~Greyscale@host86-131-40-217.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 23:20:43 <Bjarni> I had an amiga around that time as well 23:20:48 <Bjarni> still have it 23:20:58 <Bjarni> not really used anymore 23:21:07 <Bjarni> as odd as it may sound, the C64 is used more 23:21:24 <Amixwoktest> hehe 23:22:20 <Bjarni> haha 23:22:34 <Bjarni> found a new description for Sacro 23:22:37 <Bjarni> Sacro: ping 23:22:42 <Sacro> Bjarni: pongs 23:22:46 *** Jezral is now known as TinoDidriksen 23:22:59 <Bjarni> Sacro: I found a new description of you 23:23:02 <Sacro> :o 23:23:02 <Bjarni> shoujouteki 23:23:06 <Amixwoktest> Bjarni: i was pretty glad, when i saw openttd got ported to morphos. it was actually me telling tokai about it. i dont know if he ported it because of me or not. but openttd have given a amigaos alike os like morphos some nostalgic traumata memmories. ;P 23:23:23 * Bjarni imagines Sacro spending a great deal of time trying to figure out what it means 23:23:56 <Bjarni> Amixwoktest: I think I recall him talking about porting it by request, but I'm not sure 23:24:20 <Amixwoktest> :) 23:24:38 <Amixwoktest> well. Transport Tycoon Deluxe never got released for AmigaOS 23:24:50 <Bjarni> the same goes for OSX 23:24:57 <Amixwoktest> SimCity 2000 came though, but was a terrible bad macos port. 23:25:11 <Sacro> Bjarni: i am not narrow minded 23:25:20 <Bjarni> there is a version of Transport Tycoon for MacOS though 23:25:31 <Bjarni> Sacro: wtf... how did you figure that out so quickly??? 23:25:42 <Bjarni> and you just proved me wrong by figuring it out 23:26:06 <Sacro> Bjarni: http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=shoujouteki&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&client=firefox-a 23:26:26 *** mode/#openttd [+v Bjarni] by ChanServ 23:26:26 *** mode/#openttd [+v DorpsGek] by ChanServ 23:26:26 *** mode/#openttd [+v Belugas] by ChanServ 23:26:26 *** mode/#openttd [+o MiHaMiX] by ChanServ 23:26:29 *** mode/#openttd [+o Rubidium] by ChanServ 23:26:48 *** Grey [~Greyscale@host86-131-40-217.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 23:27:10 <Bjarni> dammit 23:27:19 <Bjarni> but nice page 23:27:44 <Bjarni> now I know how to write it in kanji and hiragana, so it's not a total loss 23:28:49 <Bjarni> actually it's a really nice page 23:29:03 <Bjarni> but... who would create an anime dictionary??? 23:29:10 <Sacro> whois? 23:30:13 <Bjarni> somebody in USA 23:30:16 <Bjarni> freak :P 23:30:38 <Amixwoktest> you have some 23:30:41 <Amixwoktest> www.anidb.net 23:32:00 <Bjarni> btw searching for online dictionaries helped me once.... otherwise I would have no way of communicating with the Polish work crew digging up the road 23:32:26 <Amixwoktest> what are you working with? 23:32:31 <Bjarni> my vocabulary in Polish is rather limited 23:33:02 <Bjarni> <Amixwoktest> what are you working with? <-- they digged a hole for the power cables and they blocked our access to the road 23:33:10 <Bjarni> so it was not job related 23:33:21 <ln-> isn't it dig, dug, dug 23:33:26 <Sacro> Bjarni: dug 23:33:29 <Bjarni> digdug :D 23:34:40 <Bjarni> anyway they dug up the driveway and after the power cables were put down, they tried to rebuild it 23:35:02 <Bjarni> and as luck would have it, our driveway turned out to be really hard to repair (we knew that) 23:36:16 <Bjarni> actually I kind of felt sorry for them. Working in a strange country and totally unable to talk to the local population 23:36:51 <Bjarni> even though digging up the road and blocking driveways would indicate that communication could help 23:37:34 <ment> do you think it's good idea to add new _game_mode or mess with this in general? 23:37:58 <Bjarni> I like the Polish lorry driver, who asked for directions and when nobody understood him, his solution was to yell louder, but still in Polish 23:38:16 <ment> :)) 23:38:33 <Bjarni> we took an estimated guess and pointed to a place where he could turn the lorry (dead end street) 23:40:24 <Amixwoktest> Bjarni: i work for a research company 23:40:29 <Amixwoktest> statistics etc 23:40:49 <Amixwoktest> in the future 23:40:59 <Amixwoktest> in 2 years, i will have my own tv station 23:41:08 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-70-25.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 23:41:18 <Amixwoktest> thats my goal 23:42:16 <Bjarni> showing anime? 23:42:40 <Amixwoktest> yes, that aswell 23:42:50 <Amixwoktest> for Norway atleast 23:42:56 <Amixwoktest> maybe for Scandinavia later on 23:43:46 <Bjarni> how will you transmit this? 23:43:50 <Bjarni> DVB-T? 23:44:11 <Amixwoktest> ASTRA and cabletv 23:44:19 <Bjarni> that sucks 23:44:26 <ln-> ASTRA is ok 23:44:26 <Bjarni> because then I can't watch it 23:44:35 <Amixwoktest> hehe 23:44:39 * Bjarni only has DVB-T 23:44:48 <ln-> Amixwoktest: but it won't be FTA? 23:44:50 <Amixwoktest> what is DVB-T? 23:44:55 <ln-> haha 23:44:56 <Bjarni> even the analogue receiver died 23:45:12 * ln- has DVB-C and DVB-T 23:45:24 <Grey_> sleep nao. Nini 23:45:27 <Bjarni> <Amixwoktest> what is DVB-T? <-- it's radio waves like normal TV signals, except it's MPEG encoded and digital transmitted 23:45:34 <Amixwoktest> ahh 23:45:36 <Amixwoktest> digital 23:45:38 <Amixwoktest> well 23:45:44 <Amixwoktest> in norway they use mp4 23:46:05 <ln-> anyone not using at least one TLA per line shall be kicked. 23:46:06 *** Grey_ [~Greyscale@host86-131-40-217.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:46:13 <Bjarni> isn't mp4 a variation of MPEG ;) 23:46:13 <glx> in France mp4 is used for HD content 23:46:17 <Amixwoktest> but i will learn a lot about this, so ask me again in february next year 23:46:43 <Amixwoktest> i am more into making logos, desiging promotions etc 23:46:53 <Amixwoktest> marketing of the channel etc 23:46:58 <Amixwoktest> and ceo offcourse 23:47:13 <Amixwoktest> we will be a team of 10 people in the end 23:47:16 <Bjarni> Amixwoktest: let's make a deal... you support DVB-T in this area and we will continue to support MorphOS 23:47:17 <glx> but HD tvs only understand mpeg2 when they can receive DVB-T 23:47:29 <Amixwoktest> Bjarni: hehe 23:48:10 <Bjarni> and to be fair, we will charge the same for each other's services ;) 23:48:10 <Amixwoktest> http://www.viasat4.no/component/option,com_azpress/Itemid,1099/ 23:48:16 <Amixwoktest> this is our newest channel 23:48:26 <Amixwoktest> started up 8th of September ;p 23:48:52 <Amixwoktest> Bjarni: i can put .. support OpenTTD team sponsor add before every show.. ;) 23:49:17 <Bjarni> hmmm 23:49:21 <Bjarni> interesting 23:49:36 <Bjarni> but how would we benefit from that? 23:49:40 <Amixwoktest> channel will have computer related programs aswell 23:50:10 <Bjarni> the channel looks nice 23:50:12 <Bjarni> but... 23:50:13 <nzvip> Bjarni: "I landet uden b." 23:50:14 <nzvip> :D 23:50:25 <Bjarni> isn't it something we have seen before 23:50:45 <Bjarni> simpsons, star trek, seinfeld, stargate, cops... 23:50:45 <Amixwoktest> sci-fi, drama, action, anime, computing programs, music programs etc. Will broadcast everyday from 14.00CET to 04.00CET and 08.25CET to 04.00CET in weekends and hollidays :) 23:51:00 <nzvip> :o? 23:51:48 <Amixwoktest> and its not Viasat4 ;P 23:51:55 <nzvip> :O! 23:51:58 <Amixwoktest> i have nothing to do with V4 23:52:10 <nzvip> Are you a product placement? 23:52:30 <Bjarni> looks like it 23:52:38 <Amixwoktest> hehe 23:52:41 <Bjarni> we just highjacked him to advertive OpenTTD 23:52:42 <Bjarni> or something 23:52:58 <nzvip> hijacked* 23:53:09 <Amixwoktest> we will see. it all happends 10th of September 2009 23:53:16 <Amixwoktest> with full start in 2010 23:53:30 <Amixwoktest> i hope to get lots interested people onto the project 23:53:40 <nzvip> :< 23:53:44 <Amixwoktest> going to course now about how running all this 23:53:45 <nzvip> Don't get people interested too early. 23:53:58 <ment> hah, scrolling working, screensaver mode working 23:53:59 <Bjarni> like in this channel right now 23:54:01 <nzvip> Cause then their excitement will die down in time. 23:54:10 <Bjarni> and rather quickly 23:54:17 <Amixwoktest> i know 23:54:25 <Amixwoktest> we will start small 23:54:36 <Amixwoktest> first meeting on thursday infact ;) 23:55:10 <Bjarni> the "donate now and the steam locomotive will drive in 5 years" plan didn't work out very well 23:55:24 <Bjarni> in fact nobody knows when it will drive 23:55:35 <Bjarni> due to lack of money 23:56:01 <Bjarni> I guess you can run into the same thing... too far into the future for people to even care right now 23:56:26 <Bjarni> 2009... we will not have analogue channels in the air at that time and then DVB-T will have taken over completely 23:56:35 <Bjarni> which means... way more channels 23:56:37 <Amixwoktest> sure 23:56:43 <Amixwoktest> http://www.tv7norge.com/Pics/TV7torsdag.png 23:56:51 <Amixwoktest> some design ideas 23:56:52 <ln-> analogue transmissions have already ended in finland. 23:57:49 <Amixwoktest> same here 23:58:01 <Amixwoktest> tv channel will be distributed thru ASTRA 23:58:12 <Amixwoktest> and thru cable networks here in norway 23:58:25 <Bjarni> DVB-T is awesome because it's a sfn (single frequency network), meaning that the same channel has the same frequency all over the country without any overlapping problems and every carrier wave can handle up to 5 channels, so we will have bandwidth for.... most likely way more channels than we can get 23:58:25 <Amixwoktest> with a potential of 50% coverage at start 23:58:55 <Bjarni> futurama 23:59:01 <Bjarni> I like this channel better and better 23:59:04 <ln-> some people were left without DVB-T coverage over here, they might get it during this year. 23:59:18 <Amixwoktest> reason for it taking 2 years is norwegian goverment 23:59:39 <Bjarni> then 2 years are fast 23:59:43 <Amixwoktest> takes 2 years for them to look over if my channel will be alowed to broadcast in norway 23:59:48 <ln-> so some people over here cannot watch tv at all, atm, unless they buy a satellite dish.