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00:08:20 *** Name101 [~Name101@CPE-58-165-196-7.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 00:20:38 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:22:33 *** mikl_ [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.broadband.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 00:24:13 *** mikl_ [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.broadband.tele.dk] has quit [] 00:25:07 <Bjarni> goodnight 00:25:08 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a4165d.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:25:43 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-138-84.adslplus.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:29:41 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.broadband.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 00:34:34 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: glx * r11178 /trunk/src/industry_gui.cpp: -Fix: don't check newgrf callback 22 in scenario editor 00:43:25 *** AntB [~AntB-UK@86.156.19.28] has quit [Quit: *poof!* I am gone -=- Using ChatZilla] 01:00:17 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@ip90.77.1311A-CUD12K-02.ish.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 01:02:44 *** mcbane [~Maui_key@p5498EC0C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:03:10 *** mcbane [~Maui_key@p5498EC0C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:06:21 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 01:07:44 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@ip90.77.1311A-CUD12K-02.ish.de] has joined #openttd 01:30:43 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B7496F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:38:07 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75DCB.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:51:34 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@ip90.77.1311A-CUD12K-02.ish.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 02:07:31 *** mattt_ [~m@bas5-ottawa23-1088843121.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #openttd 02:07:47 <mattt_> wow.. big channel 02:08:16 <mattt_> is it possible to get an estimate for building a tunnel? 02:08:37 <Eddi|zuHause2> shift+click 02:08:45 <mattt_> awesome, thanks :) 02:08:53 <Eddi|zuHause2> works with everything that has a cost 02:08:59 <mattt_> cool 02:09:29 <Eddi|zuHause2> since TT original ;) 02:09:34 <mattt_> oh, haha 02:09:45 <mattt_> i was lookin on the wiki 02:14:52 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-155-247.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:26:26 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-155-247.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 02:51:13 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 03:02:59 *** Name101 [~Name101@CPE-58-165-196-7.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:05:12 *** elmex_ [~elmex@e180064102.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 03:08:27 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B7496F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 03:08:35 *** elmex [~elmex@e180065071.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:09:34 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:09:57 *** lolman [~lolman@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:13:44 *** mcbane [~Maui_key@p5498EC0C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:13:45 *** McBane2 [~Maui_key@p5498D3FB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 03:28:44 *** gfldex_ [~dex@dslb-084-058-026-052.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 03:35:24 *** gfldex [~dex@dslb-084-058-059-073.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:44:07 *** orudge [~orudge@88-107-158-184.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:49:13 *** orudge [~orudge@78.32.42.129] has joined #openttd 04:01:22 *** orudge [~orudge@78.32.42.129] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:14:24 *** orudge [~orudge@88-107-158-184.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 04:24:44 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75A03.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 04:26:34 *** orudge [~orudge@88-107-158-184.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:32:46 *** orudge [~orudge@78.32.42.130] has joined #openttd 04:56:37 *** Darkebie [~dkb@d5153D5CD.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 05:55:51 *** Zr40 [~zr40@zr40.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 05:56:10 *** mattt_ [~m@bas5-ottawa23-1088843121.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Quit: mattt_] 06:09:19 *** KouDy [~KouDy@85.207.64.178] has joined #openttd 06:36:09 *** N101 [~Name101@CPE-58-165-196-7.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 06:47:35 *** Zr40 [~zr40@zr40.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 07:12:24 *** Ben_1 [~Ben@81.168.45.60] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:15:22 *** dihedral [~dihedral@dslb-084-056-253-000.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 07:15:29 <dihedral> good morning ladies :-) 07:16:37 <boekabar1> hey honey 07:28:40 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387CFBB.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 07:29:58 * dihedral slaps boekabar1 07:30:03 <dihedral> where were you last night? 07:30:19 * dihedral laughs his head off 07:30:44 *** boekabar1 is now known as boekabart 07:31:44 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 07:34:10 <boekabart> ""Onze pientere paarse held Purno de Purno is weer terug!"" 07:34:24 <Purno> ORLY? 07:34:42 <boekabart> orly?? 07:35:12 <boekabart> http://www.jalife.net/up/files/orly-ostrich.jpg 07:38:24 <TheMask96> http://eentjenog.nl/images/purno.jpg 07:40:13 <boekabart> our smart purple hero Purno! 07:41:31 <Purno> "slijmbal" 07:41:57 <boekabart> I quoted the first or second google hit on purno de purno! 07:42:13 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has joined #openttd 07:49:47 <dihedral> Rubidium: will there be any chance of getting /trunk to stop drawing everything, and being more of a dedicated server? 07:50:32 <dihedral> or does it _have_ to draw everything 07:51:18 *** Boss [~torbenpaw@213.237.107.203.adsl.sl.worldonline.dk] has joined #openttd 07:51:34 *** Boss [~torbenpaw@213.237.107.203.adsl.sl.worldonline.dk] has quit [] 07:51:41 <Rubidium> dihedral: what the F are you talking about? 07:51:46 *** Boss [~torbenpaw@213.237.107.203.adsl.sl.worldonline.dk] has joined #openttd 07:51:51 <boekabart> dihedral: I thought actually that with the changes in rendering .... the dedicated server doesn't draw everything anymore 07:52:14 *** Boss [~torbenpaw@213.237.107.203.adsl.sl.worldonline.dk] has quit [] 07:53:50 <Rubidium> it's already using the null blitter 07:53:59 <dihedral> oh - sorry 07:54:18 <dihedral> must have not read as many svn log entries as i should have... :-P 07:54:22 <boekabart> i just needs the sprites for the sizes of them (for collision detection of trains IIRC) 07:54:34 <dihedral> right 07:54:49 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-193-46-fixip.tiscali.ch] has joined #openttd 07:54:58 * dihedral greets Ammler 07:55:35 <Ammler> morning dihedral :) 07:57:33 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C30C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:19:05 *** Gekz [~gekko@CPE-58-166-116-114.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 08:19:52 *** Zavior [~zavior@d195-237-7-209.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 08:20:01 *** Zavior [~zavior@d195-237-7-209.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has left #openttd [] 08:21:12 *** Zavior [~zavior@d195-237-7-209.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 08:39:48 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.broadband.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 08:44:20 <SmatZ> bye bye... 08:44:22 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 08:48:50 *** CIA-1 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has quit [] 08:48:50 *** CIA-4 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has joined #openttd 08:48:56 *** CIA-4 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has quit [] 08:59:21 *** Alltaken [~chatzilla@121-72-235-8.cable.telstraclear.net] has joined #openttd 08:59:27 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387CFBB.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 09:01:05 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75A03.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 09:02:25 *** Gekz [~gekko@CPE-58-166-116-114.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:03:41 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387E2E3.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 09:05:24 *** CIA-1 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has joined #openttd 09:08:13 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B76138.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:09:22 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B76138.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 09:35:23 *** Amixwoktest [Michal@cm-84.208.152.166.chello.no] has quit [] 09:36:12 <boekabart> why are there 2 ways to check whether a vehicle(train) is the Front Engine: IsFrontEngine(v) (checks HASBIT(v->subtype, Train_Front)) and, !v->Previous(). Are/should they always be the same ? 09:37:15 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 09:40:46 <hylje> logically yes 09:41:07 <hylje> the other depends on a property while other depends on relation 09:41:09 <boekabart> I'd say :) 09:41:26 <boekabart> unless we want trains to reverse in the future? 09:41:51 <boekabart> as in - without moving the engine to the front 09:42:05 <hylje> depends on the way we do it 09:42:43 <boekabart> well the real engine will lose on of those 2 properties, however we do it 09:42:49 <boekabart> *one 09:43:14 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:44:11 <hylje> i'd suppose the train_front bit is the one always pointing where the train goes 09:44:39 <hylje> reversing the actual order is too prone for bugs and headache 09:45:13 <hylje> because 1) the train looks the same, it just goes to another direction 09:45:20 <boekabart> not my plan - i just noticed there were the 2 ways 09:45:22 <hylje> 2) cargo in wagons stays intact 09:45:34 <boekabart> maybe a dev cares to answer if ... 09:51:31 *** frosch123 [~mtce@kolmogoroff.math.tu-clausthal.de] has joined #openttd 09:52:29 <frosch123> boekabart: Only a guess, but what is with train consists without a engine inside a depot. I would expect them not to have a front engine. 09:53:02 <hylje> what? 09:53:03 <hylje> :P 09:53:11 <boekabart> frosch123: wow, you are good 09:53:42 <dihedral> frosch123: then it aint a train, is just a concaternation of waggons 09:53:50 <dihedral> :-D 09:53:55 <boekabart> And yes, Front Engine _probably_ also is the one deciding how all the wagons look and so 09:54:13 <boekabart> dihedral: still, it's a linked list of vehicles 09:54:27 <dihedral> was just kidding boekabart 09:54:31 <boekabart> good one, frosch123 09:54:39 <frosch123> :) 09:55:30 <hylje> if front engine decides how the wagons look 09:55:43 <hylje> reversing in place might not work without wagons changing looks 09:57:34 <Sacro> hmm 09:57:53 <boekabart> well, hylje, as long as it stays clear which is the 'master engine' 09:58:10 <boekabart> which is not per se the front of the moving train 09:58:14 <hylje> third property? :> 09:58:22 <hylje> front engine 09:58:24 <hylje> really front engine 09:58:50 <boekabart> no - I guess if you'd change the order of the vehicles (inverse the linked list), that might work 10:05:20 *** frosch123 [~mtce@kolmogoroff.math.tu-clausthal.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:07:44 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-193-46-fixip.tiscali.ch] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 10:08:37 *** Farden [~jk3farden@AMontsouris-156-1-31-224.w90-2.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 10:18:00 *** gfldex_ is now known as gfldex 10:29:59 *** Wezz6400 [Wezz6400@145-118-111-250.fttx.bbned.nl] has joined #openttd 10:34:32 *** RamboRonny [magic.powe@90-230-201-111-no37.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Quit: - nbs-irc 2.36 - www.nbs-irc.net -] 10:35:14 *** RamboRonny [magic.powe@90-230-201-111-no37.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 10:39:05 *** G [~njones@202-154-149-198.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #openttd 10:40:52 *** G_ [~njones@202-154-149-198.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:49:42 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-61-170.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 10:55:11 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:55:54 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has joined #openttd 11:03:09 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.broadband.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Connection reset by Peer Gynt] 11:03:47 *** Alltaken [~chatzilla@121-72-235-8.cable.telstraclear.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.7/2007091417]] 11:05:03 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 11:06:27 *** orudge [~orudge@78.32.42.130] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:07:21 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB564F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai] 11:23:41 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 11:33:21 *** orudge [~orudge@88-107-158-184.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 11:33:24 *** mode/#openttd [+o orudge] by ChanServ 11:34:10 *** N101 [~Name101@CPE-58-165-196-7.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:39:18 *** Wezz6400 [Wezz6400@145-118-111-250.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:42:42 *** McHawk [~hawk@p5489F101.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:49:34 *** orudge [~orudge@88-107-158-184.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:53:07 *** orudge [~orudge@88-107-158-184.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 11:57:43 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:58:20 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has joined #openttd 12:12:00 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.broadband.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 12:13:24 *** St|off [~mirc@h2n2fls308o838.telia.com] has quit [Quit: Peace and Protection 4.22.2] 12:22:46 *** Farden123 [~jk3farden@AMontsouris-156-1-40-6.w90-24.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 12:29:32 *** Farden [~jk3farden@AMontsouris-156-1-31-224.w90-2.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:29:32 *** Farden123 is now known as Farden 12:37:06 <dihedral> anybody here know something about autopilot and irc? 12:38:23 *** _Ben_ [~Ben@82.152.245.170] has joined #openttd 12:43:32 *** frosch123 [~mtce@pascal.math.tu-clausthal.de] has joined #openttd 12:50:47 *** XeryusTC2 [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 12:51:34 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.broadband.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Connection reset by Peer Gynt] 12:57:49 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:58:01 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 12:58:48 *** XeryusTC2 [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:59:30 *** Maedhros [~jc@host86-133-71-209.range86-133.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 13:01:11 *** XeryusTC2 [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 13:04:26 *** dihedral [~dihedral@dslb-084-056-253-000.pools.arcor-ip.net] has left #openttd [] 13:06:03 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:09:26 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-111-234.fttx.bbned.nl] has joined #openttd 13:22:49 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl8-53-39.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 13:23:17 <Digitalfox> Good afternoon everybody :) 13:24:16 <Digitalfox> I was thinking of updating the developers page on the wiki, but since it may be a controversial update, i believe it's better to discuss it first.. So i will ask: 13:24:32 <Digitalfox> - Should Tron be placed on retired developers? 13:24:40 <boekabart> @seen Tron 13:24:41 <DorpsGek> boekabart: Tron was last seen in #openttd 15 weeks, 6 days, 18 hours, 9 minutes, and 1 second ago: <Tron> let me revert it 13:24:56 <ln-> and that was not *the* Tron 13:25:00 <boekabart> :) 13:25:04 *** fjb [~frank@p5485E1ED.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:25:04 <boekabart> !seen Tron 13:25:06 <_42_> boekabart, Tron (tron@nat-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) was last seen parting #openttd 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours 19 minutes ago (11.09. 16:05), after spending 2 seconds there. 13:25:12 <fjb> Hi 13:25:12 <Digitalfox> - Should Truelight be moved to main developers ? 13:25:35 <Digitalfox> - Should Darkvater be moved to main developers? 13:25:46 <Digitalfox> * retired developers 13:25:56 <ln-> Digitalfox: Sure, you can move them to retired devs. 13:25:57 <hylje> dv hasnt been around for quite some time 13:27:01 <Digitalfox> - And should ludde be moved to retired developers ( he is the father of the project, but... ) 13:27:43 <Digitalfox> I would to hear some dev feedback, so the update is something the maiority agrees :) 13:27:47 <boekabart> Digitalfox: You can check their activity on http://cia.vc/stats/author/<nick> 13:28:16 <Digitalfox> boekabart: I know, but sometimes people get angry because they think people forgot them.. 13:28:36 <Digitalfox> So i want to make sure theres no angry people with the update 13:29:55 <Digitalfox> So i will move darkvater to retired developers +tron and ludde, and move truelight to active developers.. Any one disagrees? 13:34:33 <Belugas> please, Digitalfox, let us decide who has to be declared as retired or not ;) 13:35:00 <Digitalfox> ok belugas, that's why i asked in channel and not update it :) 13:35:11 <Digitalfox> It's a controversial decision 13:35:18 *** XeryusTC2 [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:36:02 <Digitalfox> And i don't want to start ant kinf of war, between any developers :) 13:36:07 <Digitalfox> *kind 13:36:19 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 13:36:39 <Belugas> well... that is basically the idea, yeah :) 13:36:46 <Belugas> thanks for your understanding :) 13:37:12 <Digitalfox> no problem Belugas :) 13:42:49 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 13:42:51 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:50:50 *** dihedral [~dihedral@dslb-084-056-253-000.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 13:56:25 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-155-247.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: ThePizzaKing] 13:59:39 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:00:07 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 14:09:43 <Maedhros> haha, http://www.ridetheslut.com/ 14:09:48 <Maedhros> (sfw, strangely enough) 14:11:16 <boekabart> brilliant 14:11:42 <boekabart> cnn.com: We're welcoming the SLUT into the neighborhood :) 14:17:32 <Belugas> anyone knows what an ssl_get_error of 2 means? 14:18:06 <Belugas> after a call of ssl_connect, should I add 14:18:21 *** glx is now known as glx|away 14:19:46 <Maedhros> well, it seems to be SSL_ERROR_WANT_READ ( http://www.openssl.org/docs/ssl/SSL_get_error.html ), but the explanation doesn't mean much to me 14:19:56 *** McHawk [~hawk@p5489F101.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:20:46 <Belugas> that's waht i though too, but since i only have a simple number, i was not sure 14:20:51 <Belugas> thanks Maedhros 14:21:23 <Maedhros> np. is this work@work stuff? 14:21:33 <Belugas> yeah :( 14:21:50 <Belugas> log checking for errors 14:21:56 <Belugas> a lot of those 14:22:16 <Belugas> looks like the network was not holding up, or the host was really busy. We're trying to find ou 14:22:18 <Belugas> t 14:23:46 *** Mark [~Mark@86.84.7.53] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:31:17 * dihedral greets Belugas 14:37:09 <fjb> While playing ChrisIN the last days (why are days that short?) I got some new ideas about route markers. 14:38:12 * Belugas waves at dihedral 14:38:22 <fjb> I like the idea behind them, but I think they could be far more usefull and flexible. 14:39:13 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@ip205.77.1311A-CUD12K-02.ish.de] has joined #openttd 14:40:46 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 14:40:50 <fjb> Now every train gets a color assigned. And the route marker tells the pathfinder a penalty when it has the matching color. 14:42:47 <fjb> Why use colors in the first place and not use other properties of the train, like maximum speed or lenght inttead? 14:42:54 <fjb> instead 14:43:30 <XeryusTC> that's where you come in and make programable signals like in TTDP 14:43:46 <boekabart> those are finished in TTDP? 14:44:20 <fjb> How do they work? I use OpenTTD on FreeBSD, so no chance to try out TTDP. 14:44:56 <boekabart> boot DOS and try :) 14:45:06 <Maedhros> doesn't wine work with freebsd? 14:45:09 <fjb> And I just don't want signals, that tell an train "no", I think about "penalty markers". 14:45:29 <boekabart> i'm not sure whether you want that, really 14:45:36 <boekabart> you either want a train to use a track or not 14:45:52 <fjb> Wine kind of works, but I gave up on It 2 years ago. Why using whine, when there is OpenTTD? :-) 14:46:21 <boekabart> fjb: Why would you want the train to use the track it shouldn't .. sometimes? 14:47:32 <fjb> It can be usefull at stations, when you want to kind of sort trains at the platforms, but want a kind of fallback if all platforms of a special kind are used, but others are free. 14:49:57 <fjb> Maybe two short trains sometimes visit an station with several long an one short platform. The short trains should use the short platform, but if both arrive at the same time, one of them should take a long platform instead. 14:51:15 <fjb> You could send freigttrains another way uphill depending on how much load they carry. 14:51:34 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A6E90.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:51:39 <fjb> There are many things you could do with that kind of markers. 14:51:41 <skidd13> hi 14:51:44 <fjb> hi 14:53:38 *** nzvip [~svip@cpe.atm2-0-78233.0x535a2072.boanxx18.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 14:53:50 <skidd13> Any dev opinions to FS921 (except wrong savegame bump)? Rubidium? 14:55:07 <fjb> Sure you can sort trains at big stations using wy points. But sometimes you have no room to build a way point. And that markers would just introduce another kind of flexibility. 14:55:53 <boekabart> where do you put the marker if there's no room for a waypoint? 14:57:12 <fjb> The routemarkers can be on the same tile as a signal. 14:57:43 <boekabart> oh right... :) 14:57:58 <fjb> The "penalty markers" could be there, too. (Instead of the routemarkers, they would be obsolete). 14:58:53 <fjb> Maybe the could be on the same tile as a switch. I don't know, didn't read enough of the code yet. 14:59:39 <fjb> And the should have a sprite that doesn't look like an shugar mushroom. 15:08:23 *** frosch123 [~mtce@pascal.math.tu-clausthal.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:10:44 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-111-234.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [Quit: bbl] 15:17:17 <Belugas> skidd13: uint avail_buttons = 0x7F; ///< bin:01111111 maybe clearer and thus not requiring the comment if it was a value frmo the enum TownActions, no? 15:17:27 *** Nickman [~nn@d54C1C327.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 15:17:41 <Belugas> i like the enum :) 15:17:43 <Belugas> it helos 15:18:24 <skidd13> helos? 15:18:31 <Nickman> hi ;) 15:18:42 <skidd13> Ah lol help 15:19:06 <skidd13> Belugas: So convert the enum to a binary enum? 15:21:30 <Belugas> isn't it already the case? 15:21:39 <Belugas> yeah... helps 15:22:03 <Belugas> TACT_ADVERTISE_SMALL = bit 1 15:22:09 <Belugas> TACT_BRIBE = bit 7 15:22:15 <Belugas> ho... 15:22:18 <Belugas> no... silly me 15:22:23 <skidd13> nope the enum specify's the bit positions not the bit itself 15:22:52 <Belugas> yeah. just figured it out :) 15:23:23 <skidd13> But I like the idea of a bit enum. So I can get rid of the macros. 15:23:27 <Belugas> So it would be a case of avail_buttons & TACT_BRIBE instead of a HASBIT 15:23:32 <Belugas> ok, never mind 15:23:47 <Belugas> but then... 15:23:52 <skidd13> s/but//g 15:24:08 <skidd13> what then? 15:24:13 <Belugas> no... 15:24:16 <Belugas> never mind. 15:24:19 <skidd13> :D 15:24:21 <Belugas> i'm not really there 15:24:30 <Belugas> i like th bit nume too 15:24:41 <Belugas> and i 'me resuming work@work 15:25:13 <skidd13> Have fun @work 15:25:30 *** Amix [~Amix@20-75-255.ggsn.netcom.no] has joined #openttd 15:25:41 <Amix> Hey 15:27:02 <fjb> Hi 15:29:43 <Amix> Chatting using my E90 15:33:28 <Belugas> lol 15:33:41 <Belugas> typing using my keyboard :D 15:36:17 <fjb> :-) 15:36:58 <fjb> E90? Deutsche Reichsbahn? 15:39:40 *** glx|away is now known as glx 15:39:50 <glx> no Nokia E90 15:40:09 <glx> IIRC 15:41:21 <fjb> Oh, I thougt it would be something cool. :-) 15:43:08 <hylje> it is 15:44:54 *** Deathmaker [~Miranda@dslb-082-083-177-222.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 15:47:31 <Amix> Hehe 15:48:08 <Amix> I like E90. Nice device 15:50:44 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-111-234.fttx.bbned.nl] has joined #openttd 15:51:59 *** scia [~scia@85.149.96.102] has joined #openttd 15:53:18 <fjb> But how much cargo can you transport using it? And how fast does it go uphill? :-) 15:58:31 *** boekabart [~boekabart@81.58.27.138] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:02:00 <skidd13> fjb: I'd say load limit is reached with ~40 Kg and the uphill speed depends on the pitch-speed of the owner :D 16:03:12 *** scia [~scia@85.149.96.102] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 16:05:10 <gfldex> fjb, look at http://www.savonlinnafestivals.com/ if you want to know how fast it is going 16:05:27 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a4165d.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 16:05:29 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 16:06:04 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: glx * r11179 /trunk/src/newgrf_config.cpp: -Fix [FS#1262] (r11175): compilation with MSVC was broken 16:07:19 *** Krol [~Miranda@c64-17.icpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 16:07:37 <dihedral> Signal blocks streach over other peoples tracks? 16:09:00 <Bjarni> sure, why not? :) 16:11:57 *** Dradge [~dradge@ANantes-158-1-121-148.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 16:12:00 <Dradge> hi 16:12:06 <Bjarni> hi 16:13:52 <dihedral> http://pub.dihedral.de/openttd/bug_signalblock.png 16:14:08 <Bjarni> known issue 16:14:34 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 16:14:36 <Dradge> i have a question : is there objectives for the OpenTTD 1.0 ??? or 16:14:40 <dihedral> fix in sight? 16:14:56 <Bjarni> dihedral: not really 16:15:28 *** orudge [~orudge@88-107-158-184.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:15:33 <Bjarni> Dradge: 1.0 is far into the future.... Let's get to 0.6.0 first ;) 16:15:56 <Dradge> ok nothing planned :) 16:17:02 <Bjarni> history tells us not to plan that far into the future because we will not stick to the plan 16:17:25 <Dradge> :) 16:17:30 <Bjarni> we know what we wants to code, but we haven't set time and release number on the tasks 16:17:51 *** orudge [~orudge@78.32.42.130] has joined #openttd 16:18:30 <Dradge> oh the 0.6's roadmap is really nice and some features were finished :) 16:18:55 <dihedral> Bjarni: does that bug exist in /trunk too? or has it been resolved there? 16:19:30 <Bjarni> well, we didn't even stick to the roadmap for 0.5.0, so why should we do it for 0.6.0? 16:19:39 <Bjarni> dihedral: AFAIK it's also present in the trunk 16:19:44 <hylje> lol what 16:19:51 <Dradge> lol Bjarni 16:20:56 <Bjarni> <hylje> lol what <-- in short: read the roadmap as a guideline rather than the actual plan that everybody will stick to 16:21:50 <Bjarni> bbl dinner 16:23:09 <Amix> I am at the anime filmclub now 16:23:22 <hylje> lawl anime 16:23:50 <Amix> Fjb: its not heavy ;) 16:25:21 <Amix> Hylje: ? 16:26:16 <Dradge> humm it so dangerous to play OpenTTD with the nigthly version ??? 16:26:25 *** Zr40 [~zr40@zr40.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 16:26:50 <hylje> no 16:28:11 <fjb> Won't the signal bug evetually be fixed when the new PBS system is in place? 16:29:04 <fjb> Dradge: I didn't encouter any problems using nightly builds. 16:29:12 <Dradge> nice :) 16:29:45 <fjb> I wish there would be a version of OpenTTD that would not requiere the files from the original game... 16:31:03 <Belugas> [12:22] <@Bjarni> well, we didn't even stick to the roadmap for 0.5.0, so why should we do it for 0.6.0? <---the only remaining unreleased part of 0.6 is newindustries. At least, 0.6 will be waht was planned it to be :) 16:31:26 <hylje> bjarni doesn't want that 16:31:36 <hylje> *obviously* 16:38:34 *** Dradge [~dradge@ANantes-158-1-121-148.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:42:14 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host240-239-dynamic.15-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 16:42:32 <Wolf01> hello 16:42:37 <fjb> hi 16:42:38 <Belugas> i would not say that. Bjarni has other priorities, that's all 16:42:42 <Belugas> hey Wolf01 16:43:17 <Wolf01> hi Belugas :D 16:48:09 *** Dradge [~dradge@ANantes-158-1-121-148.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 16:54:15 <Wolf01> Rubidium, can i ask you how did you fixed the problem with the station size widgets? 16:54:59 <Rubidium> huh? 16:55:07 <hylje> :o 16:55:17 <Wolf01> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/1240#comment2203 16:56:58 <Bjarni> back 16:57:16 <Bjarni> I didn't say that I didn't want it 16:57:33 <skidd13> Belugas: http://bugs.openttd.org/task/921 I changed the enum to a bit enum. Better? 16:58:13 <Bjarni> but if we should stick to the roadmap, we wouldn't add anything that's not in the roadmap... I'm pretty sure we added a whole lot of stuff that nobody thought of when the roadmap was made 16:59:02 <hylje> the roadmaps are minimum 16:59:23 <hylje> besides, the trunk is not restrained by any roadmaps 16:59:25 <Bjarni> I wouldn't rule out 0.7.0 features in 0.6.0 either 16:59:34 <Rubidium> Wolf01: I didn't fix anything 16:59:49 <Wolf01> on my system it works 17:01:12 *** scia [~scia@85.149.96.102] has joined #openttd 17:01:34 <Bjarni> <Amix> I am at the anime filmclub now <-- cool... are you making a survey of what to broadcast? 17:02:11 <fjb> What brings newindustries? Does it allow custom industries via GRFs? Or is there more about it? 17:02:45 <ln-> anime lÀhtee lapsesta hakkaamalla 17:02:59 <glx> custom industries, modification of standard industries properties, ... 17:03:05 <Amix> No. In 2008 bjarni 17:03:12 <glx> it is something like newhouses but for industries 17:03:28 <fjb> Ah. 17:03:32 <Bjarni> Amix: you are making a survey in 2008? 17:03:50 <Amix> In 2008 i will travel a lot yes 17:04:00 <Amix> Getting agreements etc 17:04:15 <fjb> Does it interfere with the passenger destination thing that e few people are working on? 17:04:28 <Bjarni> I meant a survey on what people like so you know what to aim at when you travel 17:04:36 <Amix> Tv isnt as free as torrent downloads you know 17:04:52 <Amix> Hehe 17:04:56 <Bjarni> torrents are free? 17:04:56 <Amix> Good idea 17:05:04 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r11180 /trunk/src/newgrf_config.cpp: -Fix (r11175): crash on load when you don't have any NewGRFs. More interesting is: who plays without them ;) 17:05:11 <Bjarni> sounds too good to be true 17:05:33 <Amix> Brb 17:05:56 <Bjarni> making a proper survey takes longer than "brb" :P 17:08:46 <fjb> I couldn't play without NewGRFs anymore... :-) 17:08:55 <Bjarni> I can 17:09:07 <Bjarni> but only in temperate 17:09:13 <Bjarni> but 17:09:16 <Maedhros> i haven't been able to ever since i discovered openttd :) 17:09:22 <fjb> The DBsetXL reminds me on my MÀrklin model railway. 17:09:25 <Bjarni> that's not the same as I do it... I just said that I can 17:09:52 <Bjarni> fjb: heh... somehow it doesn't remind me of mine 17:10:06 <fjb> And the long vehicles make road vehicles useful. 17:10:12 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: glx * r11181 /trunk/src/ (industry_cmd.cpp newgrf_callbacks.h): -Codechange: add support for newgrf callback 14A (Belugas) 17:10:31 <dihedral> the way industries increase and decrease production, that is a completely by chance calculation right? 17:10:56 <dihedral> do all clients perform this calculation or only the server, which then informs the clients of the changes? 17:12:00 <Progman> dihedral: as all clients and the server runs in sync all do the same chance calculation and so increase/decrease the production 17:12:26 <Rubidium> dihedral: wrong, though you're not far from it. And the client does the calculations in exactly the same way as the rest of the game state of OTTD is calculated. 17:13:19 <dihedral> shame :) i was hoping for the server to be doing all the calculations, and the clients being informed :-P 17:13:28 <Bjarni> why? 17:14:10 <hylje> less cpu use 17:14:15 <hylje> moar network traffic 17:14:26 <Rubidium> 'cause dihedral wants to overload people's internet connections 17:14:28 <dihedral> network traffic aint a big deal... 17:14:35 <dihedral> :-) 17:14:35 <Rubidium> dihedral: it isn't? 17:14:49 <dihedral> well - within a certain boundary 17:15:20 <dihedral> but looking at games, ottd is not the most hungry (bw wise) is it now 17:15:23 <Rubidium> more than 20 kb/s per client makes internet play absolutely useless for "the general" public as their home DSL won't take it 17:15:26 <dihedral> *other games 17:15:34 <hylje> a client needs to know only about global stuff and stuff one explicitly needs 17:15:46 <hylje> not about the state of the whole game all the time 17:15:54 <Rubidium> hylje: like... the WHOLE map for the smallmap_gui 17:16:03 <dihedral> f 17:16:06 <Rubidium> or all vehicles for the vehicle lists 17:16:07 <dihedral> lol 17:16:14 <hylje> vehicle lists can be requested at runtime 17:16:26 <hylje> minimap can be simplified server-side 17:16:31 <hylje> or synced every, say, 5, seconds 17:16:43 <Rubidium> that'd suck 17:16:58 <hylje> compromises, all compromises 17:17:11 *** Amix [~Amix@20-75-255.ggsn.netcom.no] has quit [Quit: Amix] 17:17:21 <hylje> as it stands very large games are decided by the least powerful machine involved 17:17:37 <dihedral> well.... 17:17:59 <dihedral> thankfully openttd does not require a whopping huge 3d card :-) 17:18:31 <Rubidium> any idea how much information needs to be send to the clients to render a since frame of the game? 17:18:40 <Rubidium> s/since/single/ 17:18:46 <hylje> really depends 17:19:05 <dihedral> Rubidium: i dont, but i believe you are about to tell me 17:19:18 <hylje> the server would have to send information about vehicle state when necessary 17:19:23 <Rubidium> I don't neither, but it I can imagine it is quite a lot 17:19:42 <Rubidium> hylje: it has to send *all* changes happening within the viewports 17:19:49 <hylje> as it stands 17:20:06 * dihedral simply smiles and nods 17:20:10 <Rubidium> how would you not send all changes and keep in sync? 17:20:46 <Bjarni> we have a working code... why should we even talk about changing it? 17:20:50 <hylje> the client can assume things. partially work like it does now, but with no knowledge of the world around the general vicinity 17:21:00 <hylje> Bjarni: design can and should be talked about 17:21:15 <Bjarni> yeah but.... 17:21:26 <Rubidium> and then vehicle lists taking several seconds to download, which would completely freeze up the game on client side as it basically can't draw anything new until the list is downloaded 17:21:26 <dihedral> Bjarni: i was not talking about changing it - i was asking how it worked :-) 17:21:26 <Bjarni> to something we know would need a whole lot more bandwidth? 17:21:33 <hylje> the server lets the client know of vehicle state, then the client can run pathfinder on it as usual 17:21:40 <hylje> vehicle lists can work asynchronously 17:22:00 <dihedral> lets get 0.6 ready first, and by 'us' i mean Belugas :-D 17:22:20 <Rubidium> hylje: you can't send other data from the server to the client when it's sending you the vehicle list 17:22:32 <Rubidium> *or* do you want to open a new TCP connection for each request? 17:22:44 <Maedhros> no pressure, Belugas :p 17:23:02 <hylje> Rubidium: it's not like the vehicle list has to be delivered as a whole package 17:23:26 <dihedral> hylje: just smile and nod 17:23:30 <dihedral> and be happy you can play 17:23:31 <Rubidium> oh, you want to complicate the client even more? 17:23:40 <Rubidium> and the server 17:23:47 <Rubidium> as you need to do package scheduling 17:23:56 <dihedral> lol 17:24:04 <hylje> true 17:24:09 <hylje> its all compromises 17:24:30 <dihedral> anybody here good at working with autopilot's tcl? 17:24:59 <dihedral> aim: kick every player named 'Player' 17:25:04 <Rubidium> dihedral: Brianetta? 17:25:11 <dihedral> he aint around atm :-P 17:25:18 <hylje> dihedral: i like to think about design. 17:25:55 * Belugas does not feel any pressure, at least coming out of the irc window :P 17:26:09 <Bjarni> we can change that :P 17:27:02 *** Deathmaker [~Miranda@dslb-082-083-177-222.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:27:11 <hylje> the pascal coder.. 17:27:24 <Belugas> Delphi, if you don't mind ;) 17:27:38 <Bjarni> same thing :P 17:27:39 <Belugas> Bjarni... don't try :) 17:27:56 <Rubidium> Bjarni: yeah, objc and c++ are the same too 17:27:58 * dihedral thinks Bjarni was a little quicker than Belugas 17:27:59 <Belugas> like... c is same thing as c==?? 17:28:10 <Bjarni> yeah 17:28:19 <dihedral> c==? never heard of that :-) 17:28:30 <Bjarni> it's related to C- 17:28:34 <hylje> C-- 17:28:51 *** Deathmaker [~Miranda@dslb-082-083-177-222.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 17:28:54 <Belugas> c++ 17:28:56 <Belugas> gahhhh 17:28:57 <dihedral> :-) 17:29:03 <Belugas> meeting 17:29:03 <dihedral> back to work :-) 17:29:04 <Belugas> bye 17:29:11 <dihedral> hehe 17:29:13 <dihedral> :-) 17:30:28 *** Amixwoktest [Michal@cm-84.208.152.166.chello.no] has joined #openttd 17:31:51 <dihedral> anyhow - patch option, allow_nick_Player 17:31:55 <dihedral> ? 17:31:58 *** Zr40 [~zr40@zr40.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 17:32:00 <dihedral> :-P 17:33:06 <Amixwoktest> i want to find a person with understands economy stuff ;) 17:33:25 <Amixwoktest> will be looking for one that can handle bussines stuf 17:37:16 *** Deathmaker [~Miranda@dslb-082-083-177-222.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:38:06 <Bjarni> you mean a responsible person? 17:38:11 <Bjarni> and you are asking on IRC??? 17:38:25 <Amixwoktest> hehe 17:38:25 <Amixwoktest> :D 17:38:27 <Amixwoktest> nah 17:38:34 <Amixwoktest> just searching for someone 17:38:55 <Bjarni> I'm responsible enough not to take up an offer like that from a guy whom I have only seen on IRC 17:39:13 <Amixwoktest> ;) 17:39:50 <Amixwoktest> thing is that i need a person which dosent mind not getting paid until sometime next year 17:39:58 <Amixwoktest> and thats hard to find 17:40:42 *** Mark [~Mark@86.84.7.53] has joined #openttd 17:40:55 <Bjarni> no, I can't help you there 17:41:21 <Bjarni> all the financial geniuses that I know are in well paid jobs (go figure) 17:41:22 <Dradge> humm, is there an autodownload feature for newgrf used on servers ? 17:41:29 <Bjarni> no 17:41:55 <glx> Dradge: no and there won't never be one 17:42:03 <Dradge> oh why ? 17:42:11 <Dradge> for security ? 17:42:12 <fjb> Can anybody tell me how to find my raod vehicle depot in a big city? :-/ 17:42:16 <DaleStan> Because the licenses of many newgrfs don't permit redistribution. 17:42:51 <Dradge> ok 17:44:11 <ln-> are there famous scifi (or other interesting genre) authors who write novels in german? 17:44:26 <hylje> no. germans dont write novels. 17:44:43 <glx> fjb: play with transparency options 17:44:54 <Bjarni> if you want to write a novel, you write it in a language that the readers understand 17:45:10 <fjb> Hey germans do write novels... 17:45:25 <Bjarni> really? 17:45:37 <Bjarni> never heard of any of them 17:45:45 <Dradge> fjb : get a road vehicule and send it to the depot. Maybe it will go in the lost depot :) 17:45:50 <Bjarni> I thought it was all Kraftwerk and stuff like that 17:45:54 <fjb> glx: How do I find a transparent depot? 17:46:05 <Bjarni> fjb: you don't 17:46:11 <Bjarni> you make other stuff transparent 17:46:17 <Amixwoktest> and helga 17:46:19 <Amixwoktest> ;p 17:46:29 <Amixwoktest> Hans und Helga 17:46:32 <Amixwoktest> ;p 17:46:58 <glx> fjb: but only available in trunk 17:47:04 <fjb> But the depot becomes transparent too. 17:47:25 <glx> in trunk you can select what is transparent and what is not 17:47:50 <fjb> Ah, thank you, I found it. 17:52:19 <Amixwoktest> http://home.powertech.no/micbergs/OpenTTD/Brondingtown.png 17:52:27 <Amixwoktest> i love the tramsystem in openttd 17:52:35 <Amixwoktest> way better than in locomotion :=) 17:52:41 <hylje> bzzzzzzzzzz... 17:53:38 <Amixwoktest> http://home.powertech.no/micbergs/OpenTTD/Eastfingborough1987.png 17:53:44 <Amixwoktest> trams and highway ;) 17:54:13 <hylje> railroad crossing 17:54:54 <Amixwoktest> http://home.powertech.no/micbergs/OpenTTD/Wenwood1974.png 17:54:59 <Amixwoktest> hylje: yea 17:55:00 <Amixwoktest> ;p 17:55:14 <Amixwoktest> dont run in 130 there when a train goes i tell ya 17:55:15 <Amixwoktest> ;p 17:55:37 <fjb> Are articulated road vehicles working? 17:55:41 <hylje> beware of trucks colliding with trains 17:55:58 <hylje> Amixwoktest: how amazingly arbitrary tram lines 17:56:01 <Maedhros> fjb: yes (in the nightlies) 17:56:15 <fjb> I have to try it then. 17:56:31 <Amixwoktest> hylje: arbitrary? 17:56:43 <hylje> tunnel with no reason at all 17:56:43 <Amixwoktest> http://home.powertech.no/micbergs/OpenTTD/Highway_1984.png 17:56:56 <Amixwoktest> ;) 17:57:06 <fjb> The railroad crossings are a bit stupid. They should stop the road traffic earlier. 17:57:50 <fjb> Hm, how do you make the roads one way? 17:58:08 <Amixwoktest> http://home.powertech.no/micbergs/OpenTTD/Highway_1977.png 17:58:15 <Amixwoktest> holding ctrl 17:58:18 <Amixwoktest> and click 17:58:26 <Amixwoktest> in nightly that is 17:59:11 <fjb> Amixwoktest: Your world looks a bit deserted. :-) 18:00:46 *** AmixfX [Michal@cm-84.208.152.166.chello.no] has joined #openttd 18:00:46 *** Amixwoktest [Michal@cm-84.208.152.166.chello.no] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:00:56 <AmixfX> sorry 18:00:56 <fjb> Thank you, that is a really cool feature. I have to build an atobahn. :-) 18:00:57 <AmixfX> ;p 18:01:06 <AmixfX> yea 18:01:08 <AmixfX> :) 18:01:25 <AmixfX> if you have both buses and trucks 18:01:35 <AmixfX> they bypas each other etc 18:01:38 <fjb> I have both. 18:01:38 <AmixfX> pretty nice 18:02:09 <skidd13> good night 18:02:17 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A6E90.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 18:03:07 <AmixfX> fjb: whats so good with trams, is that they can run both on street and seperate 18:04:28 <AmixfX> http://home.powertech.no/micbergs/OpenTTD/Screenshot20.jpg 18:04:39 <AmixfX> this is how trams looks like in Locomotion 18:04:59 <AmixfX> http://home.powertech.no/micbergs/OpenTTD/Wenwood1974.png 18:05:06 <AmixfX> this is how it looks in OpenTTD 18:05:33 *** dihedral is now known as dihedral|away 18:05:59 <AmixfX> http://home.powertech.no/micbergs/OpenTTD/FradhamTransport30thMay2054.png 18:06:05 <AmixfX> trams taking goods 18:06:25 <AmixfX> goods trams are nice thing between train and trucks 18:07:36 <fjb> Locomotion look far more toy like. 18:08:11 <AmixfX> yea 18:08:14 <fjb> I like trams. I have difficulties to get the passengers out of the big cities. 18:08:29 <AmixfX> ;) 18:08:36 <fjb> But I'm still new to TTD 18:08:38 <AmixfX> same here 18:13:04 *** ment [thement@ibawizard.net] has quit [Quit: eof] 18:17:36 <fjb> What is the usefullst tram set? 18:17:45 <fjb> most useful 18:18:07 <AmixfX> i am using Generic tram set 18:19:08 *** gast [~guest@p57BC58B2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:20:37 <AmixfX> fjb: i will be watching The 4400 and Stargate Atlantis on tv now 18:20:42 <AmixfX> but after that 18:20:49 <fjb> I found the generic tram set and the german tram set. The german trams look better, but there are onnly three trams, no modern. 18:20:59 <AmixfX> we could try a network play with trams etc 18:21:01 <fjb> Have fun. 18:21:04 <AmixfX> if you want 18:21:37 <fjb> Today is my fathers birthday, else it would be a good idea. 18:21:49 <AmixfX> tomorrow 18:21:51 <AmixfX> or sunday 18:21:54 <AmixfX> i will be here ;) 18:23:16 <fjb> Ok, I never did a OpenTTD network play before. The only one of my friends who likes games like this doesn't play it because it needs the file from the originla TTD. 18:29:36 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:30:14 *** gast [~guest@p57BC58B2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: gast] 18:30:22 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 18:31:54 *** Mark is now known as Mark|AFK 18:36:29 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:38:56 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 18:40:15 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:40:37 <Maedhros> oh dear god. 60 mile tailbacks... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/7018537.stm 18:41:01 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 18:50:16 <dihedral|away> nice Maedhros 18:50:21 *** caladan_ [~caladan@161-bem-18.acn.waw.pl] has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:55:07 *** Zr40 [~zr40@zr40.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 19:05:52 * fjb is away: I'm not here. 19:07:47 <Rubidium> a very useful and paradoxial message... 19:12:40 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-70-25.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:17:57 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r11182 /trunk/src/gfx.cpp: -Fix [FS#1261] (r11174): bounding boxes caused crashes when zoomed out. Patch by SmatZ. 19:19:33 *** dihedral|away is now known as dihedral 19:20:41 *** Peakki [antti@cs78151004.pp.htv.fi] has joined #openttd 19:25:27 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r11183 /trunk/src/station_cmd.cpp: -Fix [FS#1249]: airports do not need to care about overflying aircraf when removing them, because if they were not in the "flying" state it can't be removed anyway. 19:42:20 <MarkSlap> Shit :D 19:42:28 <MarkSlap> 19815 crates of good 19:42:30 <MarkSlap> goods* 19:42:44 <MarkSlap> From a single oil raffinery 19:42:44 <hylje> good stuff 19:42:50 <MarkSlap> Yeah 19:42:51 <MarkSlap> ^^ 19:42:51 *** Zr40 [~zr40@zr40.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Zr40] 19:42:58 <hylje> that's what happens when you transport less good stuff 19:43:11 <MarkSlap> How do you mean? :P 19:44:08 <hylje> oil is transported into refinery 19:44:22 <MarkSlap> Ja genau 19:44:35 <MarkSlap> But I don't see a problem with that? :P 19:44:50 <MarkSlap> It's going up 19:45:02 <MarkSlap> 21090 crates 19:45:32 <hylje> you just have a lot of undelivered goods 19:45:40 <MarkSlap> Exactly 19:45:59 <MarkSlap> I don't have any space for goods-trains 19:46:07 <MarkSlap> It's tight already :P 19:46:28 <hylje> screenshot or you're lying 19:46:37 <MarkSlap> Shoot 19:46:39 <MarkSlap> A minute 19:48:23 <Prof_Frink> MarkSlap: If there's no space for trains, build some lorry bays 19:48:53 <MarkSlap> http://217.151.48.228/markmc/goods.PNG 19:48:58 <MarkSlap> Prof_Frink, smart :D 19:49:19 <MarkSlap> hylje, up to the left on the piture 19:49:27 <hylje> there's plenty of space around ther 19:49:28 <Rubidium> there's more than enough space for more trains 19:49:35 <MarkSlap> Not on the tracks 19:49:45 <Rubidium> well, double them then 19:50:02 <MarkSlap> There are not any space on the tracks to the other way 19:50:24 <MarkSlap> I dont like to take the goods :P 19:50:33 <hylje> :o 19:50:42 <MarkSlap> And usally don't do that either :P 19:50:49 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@ip205.77.1311A-CUD12K-02.ish.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:51:38 <Prof_Frink> Egads, that's an ugly setup 19:51:49 <MarkSlap> What? :P 19:52:26 *** boekabart [~bdb@ip218-114-173-82.adsl2.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 19:53:08 *** boekabart [~bdb@ip218-114-173-82.adsl2.versatel.nl] has left #openttd [] 19:53:32 *** Peakki [antti@cs78151004.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: LÀhdössÀ] 19:53:33 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-120-104-217.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 19:55:11 <MarkSlap> Prof_Frink, what is an ugly setup and why? :P 19:55:14 <Prof_Frink> Mmm, pi... 19:55:41 <Rubidium> 3.14...... 19:55:58 <MarkSlap> 3.14159265 19:56:00 <MarkSlap> :) 19:57:01 <Prof_Frink> MarkSlap: You couls probably get equal or higher throughput with much shorter trains 19:57:26 *** scia [~scia@85.149.96.102] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 19:57:27 <MarkSlap> Sure, but then it would be to much oil on the other end 19:57:38 <Rubidium> MarkSlap: 2.71.......... 19:57:39 <MarkSlap> I think this is too short trains. 19:58:10 <MarkSlap> And with the trains it self it's 105 cargos long 19:58:23 <Hendikins> That setup is awful. 19:58:28 <MarkSlap> :P 19:58:33 <Prof_Frink> ...24505989567879613033116462839963464604220901061057794581513092757 19:58:34 <MarkSlap> Which? 19:59:05 <Prof_Frink> MarkSlap: Save, upload and I'll see what I can do 19:59:12 <Hendikins> Normal length trains would be much more sensible for that. 19:59:19 <MarkSlap> Prof_Frink, why? 19:59:19 <MarkSlap> :P 19:59:32 <MarkSlap> Btw, this is just a playgame 19:59:36 <MiHaMiX> Prof_Frink: http://ja0hxv.calico.jp/pai/epivalue.html 19:59:39 <Hendikins> And I'd probably quad track it if a lot of normal length trains were needed 19:59:47 <MarkSlap> I'm usally more serious. 19:59:52 <MarkSlap> Hmm 20:00:00 <Rubidium> hmm, MarkSlap doesn't seem to know his famous transcendental numbers 20:00:04 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@ip205.77.1311A-CUD12K-02.ish.de] has joined #openttd 20:00:13 <MarkSlap> Rubidium :o 20:00:17 <Prof_Frink> Rubidium: Holy freakin' shit 20:00:30 * Hendikins normally quad tracks with a lot of overtaking opportunities 20:00:37 <Prof_Frink> Rubidium: He should know pi up ti 1M 20:00:42 <Hendikins> (On high traffic routes) 20:00:43 <Rubidium> s/his/ 20:00:58 <MarkSlap> Hendikins, I don't like those, just think it slows my trains down 20:01:01 <Prof_Frink> 'cause I got the tail end of it from his websitr ;) 20:01:14 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@ip205.77.1311A-CUD12K-02.ish.de] has quit [] 20:01:32 <Hendikins> MarkSlap: Why? If it doesn't need to overtake a train that is say, broken down, it won't be any slower than dual track. 20:01:47 <MarkSlap> I never play with brokedowns 20:02:09 <Hendikins> I'm using breakdowns as the most common example, and you should. 20:02:18 <MarkSlap> Mmkey 20:02:49 <Prof_Frink> Anyway, if we had the scenario we could see who's right :p 20:02:56 <MarkSlap> :p 20:03:26 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-120-104-217.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:03:40 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@ip205.77.1311A-CUD12K-02.ish.de] has joined #openttd 20:04:58 <MarkSlap> You should know this maybe, I've "cheated" a bit on this save, just to see some thing that I wanted to know 20:05:25 <MarkSlap> And that's why I'm playing desert and everything 20:06:15 <MarkSlap> Here you go 20:06:15 <MarkSlap> http://217.151.48.228/markmc/Mjau_Brödskivor_5_jan_2060.sav 20:07:00 <MarkSlap> Awh, god 20:07:03 <MarkSlap> Wait 20:07:15 <MarkSlap> http://217.151.48.228/markmc/Mjau_Broedskivor_5_jan_2060.sav 20:07:16 <MarkSlap> So 20:07:55 <MarkSlap> That didn't word well either 20:08:41 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-111-234.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [Quit: brb] 20:09:04 <MarkSlap> http://217.151.48.228/markmc/TTD/ 20:12:02 <MarkSlap> Prof_Frink, how's it goin? 20:18:35 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-76-88.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 20:28:30 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@pool-71-120-104-217.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 20:32:24 <Wolf01> 'night 20:32:32 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host240-239-dynamic.15-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 20:35:57 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-76-88.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:42:50 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: Always remember you're unique, just like everyone else.] 20:53:09 <Prof_Frink> It's going "I miss PBS" 20:53:28 <MarkSlap> :D 21:03:07 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-111-234.fttx.bbned.nl] has joined #openttd 21:04:37 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 21:16:01 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r11184 /trunk/src/ (8 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: cleanup the code related to backup orders. 21:20:58 *** Frostregen_ [~sucks@84.58.148.64] has joined #openttd 21:23:07 *** Tefad [~tefad@c-71-63-10-8.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:24:33 <Bjarni> we try something new once in a while 21:24:41 <Bjarni> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamborghini_Gallardo <-- I was in a car like this tonight 21:24:52 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r11185 /trunk/src/ (industry.h industry_cmd.cpp industry_map.h): -Codechange: prepare some more code for the introduction of NewIndustries. Patch by Belugas. 21:25:01 <Bjarni> I didn't really like it though 21:25:25 <Bjarni> and now you can flame me for not liking it :P 21:26:20 <Bjarni> anybody here? 21:26:24 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-173-103.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:26:38 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 21:26:44 *** thgergo [~Thiering_@dsl5402B35F.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 21:27:47 <Bjarni> I guess not 21:32:38 *** thgergo [~Thiering_@dsl5402B35F.pool.t-online.hu] has left #openttd [] 21:39:01 <MarkSlap> Bjarni, :D 21:39:14 *** Mark|AFK is now known as Mark 21:39:22 <MarkSlap> It's pretty quiet tonight 21:40:37 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-120-104-217.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:45:48 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-120-104-217.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 21:47:42 *** Farden [~jk3farden@AMontsouris-156-1-40-6.w90-24.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )] 21:57:22 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387E2E3.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 21:59:37 *** Mark [~Mark@86.84.7.53] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- In tests, 0x09 out of 0x0A l33t h4x0rz prefer it :)] 22:00:27 *** CIA-1 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:05:02 *** G_ [~njones@202-154-149-198.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #openttd 22:08:17 *** G [~njones@202-154-149-198.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:17:41 *** dihedral [~dihedral@dslb-084-056-253-000.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.7/2007091417]] 22:18:02 *** Krol [~Miranda@c64-17.icpnet.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:19:34 *** dihedral|away [~dihedral@dslb-084-056-253-000.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 22:28:39 *** Nickman [~nn@d54C1C327.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )] 22:29:12 <Prof_Frink> MarkSlap: Using 7-long stations, the only delay is leaving the wellhead 22:29:31 <MarkSlap> Mmkey 22:29:32 <MarkSlap> :) 22:29:45 <Prof_Frink> Less than 2Ml waiting 22:29:54 <MarkSlap> Ml? 22:30:00 <Prof_Frink> Megalitres 22:30:45 <MarkSlap> Ah 22:30:45 <MarkSlap> :D 22:31:55 <Prof_Frink> I have a fair few trains servicing the route 22:33:35 <MarkSlap> Okey :) 22:33:42 <Hendikins> Define fair few :P 22:34:17 * Hendikins would probably run fair few+1 22:34:36 <Prof_Frink> Erm, a hundred and forty 22:34:50 <Hendikins> Crikey 22:35:38 <Prof_Frink> 7x12 stations, pseudo-pbs on entry and a load rebalancer on wellhead exit 22:35:50 <Hendikins> I'd have a crack at it if I wasn't autofoxing 22:36:02 <Hendikins> Autofox kinda eats all the CPU time on my LAN 22:37:23 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C30C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:37:28 *** dihedral|away is now known as dihedral 22:37:55 <fjb> What is pseudo-pbs? 22:38:04 <Prof_Frink> I'm impressed - both cores still on 800MHz 22:38:19 <Prof_Frink> fjb: What we did before true PBS was invented 22:38:42 <dihedral> hehe - i got autopilot to auto-kick people with the playername 'player' or 'Player' :-) 22:38:44 <Hendikins> Autofox is currently chewing 5 cores on my LAN 22:39:08 <Hendikins> Although it is using icecream's scheduler... 22:39:38 <fjb> How does pseudo-pbs work? OpenTTD doesn't have real pbs at the moment, if I'm right. 22:39:59 <dihedral> does not have any pbs at the moment 22:40:13 <Prof_Frink> dihedral: It has pseudo-pbs 22:40:20 <Prof_Frink> Because it has presignals 22:40:22 <dihedral> i.e. workaround with presignalling 22:40:25 <dihedral> yes 22:40:31 <Hendikins> Aren't we waiting for PBS that doesn't suck? 22:41:11 <Bjarni> btw I wonder about measuring fluids in litres. I have only seen fluids measured in m^3 when it comes to railroad stock (except stuff like amount of oil on gearbox or similar) 22:41:27 <fjb> Somebody ist making a real cool pbs, but it's a lot of work. 22:41:39 <Bjarni> who is making PBS? 22:41:48 <Prof_Frink> Bjarni: Would also sort out consistency 22:42:21 <fjb> http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/PBS 22:42:45 <Bjarni> ahh that 22:43:00 <Bjarni> Tekky wrote that so it's not an official statement 22:43:24 <Bjarni> would be interesting to see if he can manage to do this though 22:43:44 <fjb> But he is working on it, even we can not expect it in the near future. 22:43:58 <Bjarni> well, he claims to be working on it 22:44:12 <Bjarni> but it has been a while since I last saw him 22:44:32 <fjb> Better working on it than chatting here. :-) 22:44:54 <Bjarni> that's the positive way of looking at the facts 22:45:04 <Bjarni> the negative is that he dropped out 22:45:16 <Bjarni> and everything in between is also possible 22:45:44 <fjb> I think you could not do it in a couple of weeks. Things like that need more time. 22:46:22 <fjb> And how is pseudo-pbs working? Is there an example on the net? 22:46:57 <Bjarni> what is pseudo-pbs? 22:48:04 <Bjarni> <fjb> I think you could not do it in a couple of weeks. Things like that need more time. <--- yeah, but it would be natural to drop in once a week or so if you have progress to tell about 22:48:56 * fjb is back 22:50:33 <fjb> What parts of OpenTTD do you have to touch to implement it? I didn't look into the source that much yet. 22:51:12 *** CIA-1 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has joined #openttd 22:52:31 <AmixfX> ive had a fight with my kitty now 22:52:32 <AmixfX> ;p 22:52:44 <AmixfX> gave her a bath ;p 22:53:03 * Prof_Frink reconfigues the 6-2 merge as a 4-3 merge 22:53:22 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:55:11 <fjb> The poor cat... 22:55:28 <AmixfX> i know 22:55:44 <AmixfX> but she scratched her ear a lot 22:56:51 <_Ben_> hmm, Does anyone know if, which I have, you leave a game running for ages by mistake and trains stop being avaliable, so you cheat to set back the date. Is it possible to get those trains to become available again? 22:57:11 <Bjarni> yeah 22:57:20 <Bjarni> write "resetengines" in the console 22:57:29 <Bjarni> but I think it's a singleplayer only thing 22:57:56 <_Ben_> ok thanks for that 22:58:10 <Bjarni> also enable the patch setting where they will not be taken out or it will happen again soon 22:58:17 <fjb> Is the console documented anywhere? 22:58:25 <_Ben_> yeah, I seemed to have turned that off at some point, not shore why 22:58:28 <_Ben_> shore/sure 22:58:40 <Bjarni> there is some in the wiki, but the main console documentation is the source code 22:58:51 <Bjarni> all the commands are next to each other in the same file 22:58:58 <Bjarni> console.cpp or something like that 22:59:10 <fjb> Ok, I'll have a look at the source. 23:01:24 <fjb> I have another question. When I make the houses transparent I can see how many passengers they make. But there are two numbers eg. 2/4. Waht do that numbers mean? 23:08:32 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:09:54 *** Ben_1 [~Ben@82.152.245.170] has joined #openttd 23:10:25 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:15:51 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-61-170.adslplus.ch] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 23:16:30 *** _Ben_ [~Ben@82.152.245.170] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:16:31 *** KouDy [~KouDy@85.207.64.178] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:18:31 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 23:21:04 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 23:23:43 <Sacro> rawr 23:23:46 *** Alltaken [~chatzilla@121-72-235-8.cable.telstraclear.net] has joined #openttd 23:24:23 <Sacro> eek Alltaken 23:24:44 <Alltaken> hey hey its saturday ;) 23:24:52 <Sacro> so it is 23:24:57 <Sacro> but only just 23:24:58 <Alltaken> how ya gong Sacro 23:25:03 <Sacro> my gong? 23:25:05 <Alltaken> its like Mid-day saturday 23:25:15 <Alltaken> yeah hows ya gong 23:25:21 <Sacro> heh :) 23:25:25 <Sacro> its 00:25 here 23:25:31 <Sacro> not bad, just walked back from town though 23:25:37 <Sacro> too lazy to wait for the bus and then pay for it 23:26:26 <Alltaken> yeah fair enough 23:26:35 <Alltaken> so you are a bit tipsy then :P 23:26:50 <Sacro> nope, i'm teetotal 23:30:55 <fjb> Why do cities grow, when you move the people out of them? :-) 23:31:07 *** Dradge [~dradge@ANantes-158-1-121-148.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Quitte] 23:32:50 <Belugas> Alltaken is still alive?? OMG! 23:32:54 <Belugas> hello :D 23:33:44 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-155-247.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 23:34:23 <Alltaken> yep i'm still alive 23:34:57 <dihedral> hello Belugas 23:35:22 <Belugas> and dihedral is still awaken :D 23:35:34 <dihedral> just about, yes :-) 23:35:34 <Belugas> What a night! 23:35:36 <SpComb> Logs: http://spbot.marttila.de:8120/logs/oftc-ottd (old: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd ) 23:35:36 <Bjarni> !logs 23:35:52 <Belugas> and yes, i still work@work, but now, it's work@home 23:36:04 <dihedral> ouch 23:36:16 <dihedral> now i do feel sorry for your wife and kid 23:36:18 <Bjarni> could be worse 23:36:25 <Bjarni> could be home@work 23:37:00 <Belugas> true Bjarni, who knows, it may be the case one day :( 23:37:05 <Belugas> dihedral, me too... 23:37:22 <Bjarni> but now you make a lot of money 23:37:33 <dihedral> yeah - great 23:37:37 <Bjarni> or you got a lousy work 23:37:46 <dihedral> i'd rather see my son grow up than make a lot of money :-) 23:38:08 <Bjarni> agreed 23:38:24 <Bjarni> but this work load is not a permanent thing 23:38:41 <dihedral> once a boss gets used to it... :-P 23:38:44 <Bjarni> either it's reduced or I can imagine that Belugas can find something else to do 23:39:03 <Bjarni> we all have to survive and such a constant work load is not good for survival 23:39:38 <dihedral> nope 23:39:39 <dihedral> it aint 23:40:02 <Bjarni> how do you know? 23:40:26 <dihedral> what you mean? how i know that such a work load aint good for ya? 23:40:35 <dihedral> had my share 23:40:40 <Bjarni> oh right 23:40:52 <dihedral> what did you mean? 23:41:05 * Bjarni remembers his plan about going to bed... more than an hour ago 23:41:17 <Bjarni> what I meant.... err.... don't ask :P 23:41:29 * dihedral remembers his plan about getting out of bed more than 12 hours ago 23:41:37 <dihedral> i am asking Bjarni 23:41:42 <dihedral> c'mon 23:42:09 <Bjarni> ok, I read it as you declared that Belugas' work load is constant and that he will never get any free time anymore 23:42:46 <Belugas> naa... 23:42:51 <Belugas> it's just a big phase rieght now 23:42:52 <dihedral> i dont remember putting it like that 23:43:02 <Bjarni> you didn't 23:43:13 <dihedral> i know - i would remember otherwise 23:43:16 <dihedral> :-P 23:43:38 <Bjarni> which is a clear sign that I should head for bed 23:43:43 <Bjarni> goodnight 23:43:44 <Belugas> the company took a lot of contracts by people who did not talked to each other and now, we all have to pay the price 23:43:47 <Belugas> bye 23:43:59 <dihedral> cu 23:44:00 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a4165d.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: the night brings out the worst kind of people: murderers, rapists, drugs dealers, prostitutes and windows users] 23:44:08 <Belugas> and whooo.... newindu still compiles :D 23:44:10 <dihedral> Belugas: what is that supposed to mean 23:44:15 <dihedral> lol 23:44:26 <dihedral> they all ran out on you or what 23:44:37 <Belugas> hem... the right hand never knows what the left does 23:44:45 <dihedral> nice 23:45:00 <dihedral> dont we love such things 23:45:01 <Belugas> and i'm stuck in the middle fullfilling everyone's expectations 23:45:07 <Belugas> no we dont 23:45:10 <Belugas> NO WE DONT 23:45:14 <Belugas> NOOOOO!!!!!! 23:45:33 * dihedral is not sure if Belugas understood the sarcasm in the ... undertone 23:45:46 <dihedral> :-P 23:46:09 <dihedral> i got autopilot to kick players if they are playing with the default nick 23:46:12 <dihedral> :-P 23:46:21 <dihedral> way looking forward to using that now 23:46:23 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-111-234.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [Quit: Death? Death? Nobodie dies until I say so!] 23:49:02 <dihedral> well - i shall get some rest too 23:49:29 <dihedral> have a nice one Belugas and dont spend too much time infront of that box :-) 23:50:11 *** dihedral [~dihedral@dslb-084-056-253-000.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.7/2007091417]] 23:53:06 <Belugas> good advice... 23:53:12 <Belugas> like... quit it right now! 23:53:18 <Belugas> bye all 23:53:20 <Belugas> going to sleep now