Log for #openttd on 11th October 2007:
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00:07:51  <Eddi|zuHause> glx: but building an airport removes a damn lot of trees again
00:08:05  <glx> not a problem ;)
00:08:12  <glx> the airport is built
00:08:39  <Eddi|zuHause> it is a real problem if you want do build a station of several pieces
00:09:17  <Eddi|zuHause> either you place the pieces individually, then you run out of "rating" with a half built station
00:09:37  <Eddi|zuHause> or you build a big station, and replace the station tiles
00:10:20  <Eddi|zuHause> which means you immediately run out of "rating", and they refuse the rebuilding (which is kinda stupid anyway, it is already your station)
00:15:55  <huma> they apparently don't like when you build roads as well
00:16:03  <huma> that is really weird
00:28:43  <huma> what's funny though - to rename a town doesn't cost me anything :) even if i call them the f-word, they won't mind :)
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00:42:26  <Mek> if anybody cares, openttd seems to run just fine on a Neo1973 with openmoko (
00:43:25  <Mek> (only scrolligng is a bit of a problem with no keyboard, and no right mouse button :) )
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03:02:09  <mattt__> Anyone know where I can find examples of really high-traffic train stations?
03:02:32  <mattt__> That is, ones which can handle a large volume very well
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04:26:38  <mattt__> do airports automatically give you an appalling rating with the local authority?
04:30:50  <Rubidium> nope, but crashing vehicles do
04:32:43  <mattt__> I built an airport in a town on the side of the map opposite where all my other construction is and got an appalling rating immediately.. reloaded and tried building further from town but go the same thing
04:32:48  <mattt__> crashing is turned off
04:33:32  <Rubidium> destroying trees (during the build) does lower your rating too
04:33:54  <mattt__> hm.. yeah, i built reams of trees
04:33:55  <Rubidium> and maybe some other stuff as you say you're running ChrisIN
04:34:03  <mattt__> and i just tried bribing too
04:34:11  <mattt__> how long does that take to have an affect?
04:34:44  <mattt__> effect
04:34:56  <Rubidium> building trees and bribing should have an immediate effect
04:35:35  <mattt__> :|
04:35:41  <mattt__> they must really hate me
04:37:02  <mattt__> and i was nice enough to build them an airport
04:39:11  <Rubidium> could ofcourse be that someone messed up the town rating stuff in ChrisIN.
04:40:29  <mattt__> >_<
04:40:36  <mattt__> i'm doing well in a couple other towns
04:40:47  <mattt__> outstanding, in fact :P
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06:42:35  <DaleStan> mattt__: Do not confuse station rating with town rating.
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11:32:58  <CIA-5> OpenTTD: truelight * r11245 /trunk/src/oldloader.cpp: -Fix r11228: the moreanimation feature made loading TTD(p) games impossible (Csaboka)
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11:57:12  <huma> "bridges over anything" looks ugly
11:57:50  <Ammller> huma: depense on the bridge, I like it.
11:58:36  <huma> check this out:
11:59:41  <Ammller> hmm, and why is that ugly?
12:00:11  <huma> looks hackish to me. the idea is good though.
12:00:15  <Ammller> (x doesn't work on screenshots :/ )
12:00:54  <Ammller> omg, 2way signals
12:01:13  <huma> new industries is a great feature
12:01:22  <Ammller> thats the only ugly thing I see there.
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12:03:12  <Ammller> huma: you leave the topic...
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12:15:29  <Ailure> [13:55] <huma> "bridges over anything" looks ugly
12:15:29  <Ailure> [13:56] <Ammller> huma: depense on the bridge, I like it.
12:15:29  <Ailure> [13:57] <huma> check this out:
12:15:33  <Ailure> dosen't look too ugly
12:16:03  <Ailure> it's worse with Pikka's viaduct bridge :P
12:16:20  <Ailure> where diagonal rail can hit the foundation the bridge uses
12:16:32  <Ailure> but it's a such small detail it dosen't really bother me too much
12:20:34  <Amixosx>
12:20:35  <Amixosx> :D
12:21:03  <Amixosx>
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12:37:12  <Ailure> hheh
12:37:16  <Ailure> added thoose overlays manually?
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15:20:42  <Jolty|OTTD> Hi
15:20:55  <Jolty|OTTD> Can anyone help me with this: Does anyone notice anything wrong with this station, they refuse to leave the station, is it le fuxxoring my network: (460KB)
15:20:57  * dihedral|work greets
15:21:20  <Jolty|OTTD> They stop at the end of the station tile, and turn back into the station :|
15:21:32  <hylje> elrail
15:22:04  <Jolty|OTTD> The station is electrified. (if thats what you mean)
15:22:21  <Jolty|OTTD> You can see the electic line just above the train in station.
15:22:43  <hylje> its the prime reason trains wont go somewhere
15:23:01  <dihedral|work> try converting the entire bunch again
15:23:05  <dihedral|work> perhaps you missed a tile
15:23:25  <Jolty|OTTD> Hmm, let me try that..
15:23:31  <dihedral|work> lol
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15:25:41  <Jolty|OTTD> Is there any way to delete the trains in the station, so I can just rebuild the station?
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15:28:05  <Belugas> put a depot upward, send them to the new depot
15:28:05  <dihedral|work> remove a rail that joins to the staion, build a depot in it's place, and send the tains into the depot
15:28:15  <Belugas> lol
15:28:18  <Belugas> yeah
15:28:22  * dihedral|work beat Belugas to it
15:28:38  <Jolty|OTTD> oh
15:28:40  <Jolty|OTTD> Duh.
15:28:43  <Jolty|OTTD> lol
15:28:59  <dihedral|work> yes
15:29:46  <dihedral|work> it would be nice to have an advanced rail tile
15:29:58  <dihedral|work> that has a variable yapf penalty :-)
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15:30:16  <Jolty|OTTD> Ugh, this council is so getting on my nipples.
15:30:18  <dihedral|work> and a 'penalty mesuring tool'
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15:30:43  * dihedral|work does not want to know what gets on Jolty|OTTD's nipples
15:30:54  <Jolty|OTTD> >__<
15:31:03  * dihedral|work feels sick
15:32:26  <dihedral|work> :-P
15:32:38  <Belugas> Jolty|OTTD,plant trees.  A lot.  Towns love trees
15:32:45  <SpComb> tree-hugging hippies
15:32:49  * Belugas pities dihedral|work
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15:34:16  <dihedral|work> thanks Belugas, doing a lot better now :-P
15:35:32  <dihedral|work> SpComb: i'd rather hug trees than paying people to 'be blind'
15:36:00  <Jolty|OTTD> lol
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15:41:16  <CIA-5> OpenTTD: belugas * r11246 /trunk/src/tree_cmd.cpp: -Codechange: beautify some conditions from "if else" into trinary operator
15:41:20  <Belugas> trees are popular today ;)
15:41:44  <hylje> Belugas: ternary
15:42:08  <Sacro> Belugas: i second hylje
15:42:26  <hylje> piggybacker
15:43:25  * Belugas mumbles
15:43:51  <SpComb> ternary is more beautiful than if/else?
15:45:09  <hylje> x if a else y
15:46:25  <Sacro> mmm
15:47:10  <SpComb> a and 'x' or 'y'
15:47:15  <SpComb> krk
15:49:12  <hylje> ('x', 'y')[bool(a)]
15:50:17  <Belugas> SpComb, we do believe it is, yes
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15:53:52  <SpComb> h.iif(a, 'x', 'y')
15:54:14  <Eddi|zuHause> probably depends on the complexity of the expression
15:54:44  <SpComb> ternary inline, if/else otherwise, and someone tell that to the phpBB2 devs
15:55:13  <SpComb> they have lots of top-level multi-line ternary expressions in their code
15:55:43  <hylje> bad developers with a bad language
15:55:59  <Eddi|zuHause> don't use functions, use expressions with side effects
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16:00:27  <dihedral|away> laters - my fellow tree-huggers
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16:02:00  <Eddi|zuHause> happy tree friends? :p
16:02:06  <Sacro> ack
16:02:09  <Sacro> they scare me
16:04:30  <huma> guido doesn't think ternary is beautiful. although, i like it. it's concise.
16:05:46  <Belugas> i think it's the point that makes us liking it :)
16:06:50  <Belugas> lunch time
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16:12:57  <Ailure> <-- Someone mod this guy up. D:
16:12:58  <Ailure> lol
16:13:05  <Ailure> :P
16:13:36  <toresbe> hmm
16:13:41  * Sacro listens
16:13:47  <toresbe> I have an inexplicable urge to write a SimTower clone.
16:14:25  <Sacro> :o
16:14:28  <Sacro> i like this idea
16:14:41  <toresbe> first I need to play it some more, though.
16:14:48  <Ailure> heh Simtower
16:14:52  <Ailure> the elevator simulator
16:14:56  <toresbe> hehe yeah
16:15:06  <toresbe> i've got some good ideas for it, I think.
16:15:16  <toresbe> You wouldn't happen to know if Windows 3.11 could run on top of FreeDOS?
16:15:22  <Ailure> It should be
16:15:25  <Sacro> i think it can
16:15:27  <Ailure> Win 3.11 runs in Dosbox
16:15:35  <Ailure> infact
16:15:38  <toresbe> I know, but I want to run it native, off a USB stick
16:15:41  <Ailure> Win 3.11 runs n most DOS clones
16:15:49  <Ailure> this been known for quite awhile
16:15:59  <Ailure> Microsoft dosen't support it when run on DOS clones though.
16:16:07  <Ailure> Then, Microsoft hadn't supported Win 3.X for ages :)
16:16:15  <toresbe> yeah :)
16:16:18  <Sacro> and apple won't support my hackintosh either
16:16:46  <Ailure> Win 3.11 can even run NTFS partitions fine
16:16:49  <Ailure> if you use the NTFS dos driver
16:17:00  <toresbe> hah, cool
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16:20:00  <toresbe> augh, crap
16:20:14  * toresbe just remembered that his mobo's USB is shot.
16:20:50  <toresbe> Disk /dev/hda: 20.8 GB, 20847697920 bytes
16:20:54  <toresbe> /dev/hda1   *           1        2501    20089251   83  Linux
16:20:54  <toresbe> /dev/hda2            2502        2534      265072+  82  Linux swap / Solaris
16:21:04  <toresbe> could I use /dev/hda2 as a DOS boot drive?
16:21:38  <ln-> theoretically, maybe, but i wouldn't count on that...
16:23:53  <Ailure> as long it's not a extended partition
16:23:55  <Ailure> it should work
16:24:20  <toresbe> cool
16:26:29  <ln-> Ailure: even at that well-beyond-1024-cylinders location?
16:26:48  <Ailure> ah wait
16:26:52  <Ailure> is that a cylinder count?
16:27:11  <ln-> probably no.
16:27:17  <Ailure> well
16:27:21  <Ailure> it depends on what DOS he chooses too
16:27:25  <Ailure> MS-DOS might have problems
16:27:28  <Ailure> I doubt Freedos would
16:27:42  <Ailure> I'm going to check
16:30:28  <Ailure> seems like the only harddrive related limit is the "can only boot from a primary partition" limit
16:32:29  <toresbe> cool
16:32:35  <toresbe> thanks. I'll try it now
16:32:48  <Sacro> heh
16:32:55  <Sacro> why are you installing DOS/3.11?
16:32:58  <Ailure> I looked for any limits in the install guide
16:33:10  <Ailure> didn't find any
16:33:12  <Ailure> for FreeDOS
16:33:22  <toresbe> Sacro: hey, I figger' why not :)
16:33:32  <Ailure> well
16:33:33  <toresbe> I could install Windows 95 instead, I guess.
16:33:38  <Ailure> if you have old DOS programs you want to run
16:33:43  <toresbe> but that's not as easy to find.
16:33:46  <Ailure> and DOSBox dosen't work too well
16:33:53  <toresbe> oh
16:33:54  <Ailure> I guess installing Freedos and run stuff from that works
16:33:58  <toresbe> it's a performance thing
16:34:05  <toresbe> simtower has a fast mode, which is like openttd's.
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16:34:20  <Sacro> zomg Bjarni
16:34:29  <toresbe> Even though I use dosbox on an AMD 3800+, the machine is still quite slow.
16:34:59  <Ailure> There's a DOS version of Simtower?
16:35:09  <Sacro> i can run it fine under XP
16:35:26  <Ailure> I can't imagine Simtower suffering under running in Wine too
16:35:34  <toresbe> Ailure: no, but Win 3.1 runs very happily under Dosbox.
16:35:41  <toresbe> crashes wine with an 0xFFFF reference
16:36:37  <Bjarni> Sacro: I see that you have tried to drive a train
16:36:39  <Bjarni> but....
16:36:44  <Sacro> Bjarni: i derailed a few
16:36:44  <Bjarni> don't drink and drive :P
16:37:02  <Bjarni>
16:37:10  <Sacro> hehe
16:37:12  <Sacro> that picture is amusing
16:37:27  <Bjarni> actually the cause of this is the sun
16:37:32  <toresbe> yeah
16:37:36  <toresbe> same problem in Norway.
16:37:39  <Bjarni> it heats up the metal and the rails becomes longer
16:37:49  <toresbe> Rail workers have been killed by the incredible forces that build up in rails
16:37:50  <Bjarni> and it gives in at a poorly maintained location
16:38:00  <Bjarni> killed?
16:38:01  <Ailure> hmm
16:38:16  <Bjarni> we only get speed restrictions
16:38:19  <Ailure> that sounds like if ou are trying to hold the shape of the rails too sharply
16:38:20  <toresbe> Bjarni: yeah. They're maintaining the track, and suddenly it gives in, in the general direction of the worker
16:38:27  <Bjarni> like 80 km/h instead of 180 km/h
16:38:41  <toresbe> but you've got a flat country :)
16:38:52  <Bjarni> so?
16:39:12  <toresbe> the Norwegian Dovrebanen is 
 in a different league :)
16:39:31  <Ailure> heh
16:39:37  <Ailure> I remember being in Norway
16:39:40  <Ailure> hardly a flat country
16:39:42  <toresbe> So do I!
16:39:48  <toresbe> 'cause I live there :)
16:39:56  <Ailure> I was up in Dalarna once
16:40:01  <Ailure> then went to Trondeheim for a bit
16:40:09  <toresbe> Trondheim is wonderful. I miss it.
16:40:10  <Ailure> and was in norway for about a week at diffrent location
16:40:16  <toresbe> But my heart lies here in Oslo, I fear.
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16:44:28  <dihedral> whasssuuuuuup
16:44:45  <Bjarni> not your u key
16:45:36  <dihedral> would have said "whasssUUUUUUUp" in that case :-D
16:45:45  <Bjarni> no
16:45:46  <Sacro> whassuuuuuuuuuUUUUUUUUUUUUUUuuuuuuuuuuuUUUUUUUUUUUUUUp
16:45:51  <Bjarni> because that would be the shift key
16:46:16  <hylje> u
16:46:30  <dihedral> actually - my u key is about the smae height to my w and p keys
16:46:35  <dihedral> *same
16:47:53  <dihedral> Mark will be back next week btw
16:48:23  <dihedral> heh - wrong window :-P
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16:52:56  <Wolf01> hello
17:00:46  * Bjarni notes that he should help to prepare a welcome home surprise party for Mark
17:00:53  <Bjarni> whoever that might be :P
17:00:54  <Bjarni> bbl
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17:29:31  <Eddi|zuHause> hm... i cannot check TTDP
17:29:45  <Sacro> orudge: how'd you get that netmask? D:
17:32:21  <Bjarni> well, he owns that domain
17:32:36  <Bjarni> but it would still be nice to know how he managed to do it ;)
17:33:00  <Prof_Frink> Bjarni: He is SROTU
17:33:26  <Bjarni> SROTU?
17:33:38  <Sacro> i own a domain
17:33:46  <Sacro> this is
17:33:49  <Bjarni> I just said that
17:33:56  <Bjarni> err
17:34:00  <Prof_Frink> Supreme and complete Ruler Of The Universe and multiverse
17:34:02  <Bjarni> you do...?
17:34:13  <Bjarni> Prof_Frink: you called?
17:34:38  <Prof_Frink> Bjarni: The full form of SROTU
17:35:01  <Bjarni> so SROTU is short for Bjarni... nice to know
17:35:32  <Prof_Frink> Well, SROTU is the short acronym ;)
17:37:06  <Sacro> and orudge is a short person
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17:41:09  <Bjarni> orudge: back to the question... how did you managed to get that domain name into IRC?
17:41:37  <DaleStan> The Proper reverse DNS entries.
17:42:12  <Sacro> DaleStan: Yes, I thought as much, but I have no idea how to do this :(
17:42:30  <Bjarni> the question is how to do it, not what happened ;)
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17:43:10  <DaleStan> You have to start by controlling the DNS and RDNS for the IP address from which you connect.
17:43:34  <DaleStan> After that, I don't know much about it either, since I've never owned an IP address.
17:44:01  <Sacro> well I am static IP, and I own a domain
17:44:16  <Bjarni> you ARE a static IP?
17:44:22  <dihedral> LOL
17:44:29  <hylje> that explains a thing or two
17:45:08  <Sacro> Bjarni: adding an "a" adds a whole different meaning
17:45:17  <Bjarni> you ARE static IP?
17:45:51  <Eddi|zuHause> so it is a difference if i say "i am god" or "i am a god" :p
17:46:03  <Bjarni> yeah
17:46:20  <Bjarni> the latter shows signs of being a polytheist
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17:46:57  <Eddi|zuHause> at least it sounds better than SROTU ;p
17:46:59  <DaleStan> But it isn't *your* IP, Sacro. It belongs to your ISP, and they run the reverse DNS. You might be able to ask them nicely to change it.
17:47:00  <Prof_Frink> I am.
17:49:14  <Sacro> DaleStan: ah, I see your point
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17:51:56  <Eddi|zuHause> how do you actually get to own an IP?
17:53:13  <|Jeroen|> you buy one
17:53:28  <Bjarni> the ISPs buys them
17:53:41  <Bjarni> and I guess they will sell one to you if you offer enough money
17:53:59  <Bjarni> usually private people have nothing to use it for though
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17:55:31  <|Jeroen|> i guess you have to buy them by the 254
17:55:49  <Bjarni> don't be too sure
17:56:28  <|Jeroen|> im not :-)
17:56:44  <Bjarni> I presume that specially in Asia they do fucked up stuff like selling minimal amounts of IPs (Asia seriously lack free IPs)
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17:57:05  <Bjarni> they simply don't have enough to sell 254 to a single company if they are only going to use say 50
17:57:23  <|Jeroen|> that sucks
17:57:39  <dihedral> anybody here live in sweeden
17:57:46  <Bjarni> USA took most of them, then Europe took more or less the rest and the rest of the world hides behind NATs and stuff
17:58:00  <Bjarni> because the global IPs are in use elsewhere
17:58:15  <dihedral> uni networks
17:58:21  <dihedral> they use a bunch
17:58:28  <Bjarni> Africa could have the same problem, but they lack both computers and IPs. Asia are really gaining on the number of computers with net access
17:58:46  <dihedral> hide all of asia behind ONE nat :-D
17:59:00  <|Jeroen|> yeah or somthing :-)
17:59:16  * Belugas awaits for ip6
17:59:19  <|Jeroen|> ow well they better get ipv6 moving
17:59:25  <orudge> [18:29:43] <Sacro> orudge: how'd you get that netmask? D: <-- my ISP lets me set up my own RDNS
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17:59:26  <Bjarni> I think USA has around 50% of all IPs
17:59:45  <|Jeroen|> then we should go kick some usa ass and steal them back
17:59:52  <Bjarni> not that they use that many, but they took whole ranges at first and then other countries came too late to claim enough
18:00:08  <Sacro> Bjarni:
18:00:31  <Bjarni> USA took them at a time where the number of IP4 IPs appeared as endless as IP6 does today
18:01:00  <orudge> My ISP is better than Sacro's, basically
18:01:02  <orudge> in many ways :D
18:01:15  <Sacro> yes... mine is crappy
18:01:20  <Sacro> orudge: isn't yours torch?
18:01:33  <orudge> torch?
18:01:45  * orudge is with an Entanet reseller
18:01:47  <Sacro> Torch Communications
18:01:59  <orudge> never heard of them
18:02:03  <|Jeroen|> if that maps is correctn europa has way more then usa
18:02:54  <Bjarni> Sacro: yeah... you can see how American companies took a whole lot of it
18:03:18  <|Jeroen|> reclaim
18:03:44  <|Jeroen|> why would boing need a whole range
18:03:47  <|Jeroen|> boeing
18:03:53  <Bjarni> Asia Pacific has 16 (+2 for Japan only) even though they have like half of the world population
18:04:22  <orudge> I think GE or something owns 4.*.*.*, yet their web site is on a 216.*.*.* IP. So even when they have an entire class A, they still nick IPs from elsewhere
18:05:03  <orudge> The University of St Andrews has 138.251.*.* - pretty much each networkable device has its own globally addressable addres
18:05:11  <Bjarni> the whole IPv4 claiming issue is a joke. We should take better care with IPv6
18:05:20  <Bjarni> and switch to IPv6 ASAP
18:05:22  <|Jeroen|> yeah it should be only rentable
18:05:36  <Bjarni> even though the backbone is hardcoded IPv4, so it could take a while
18:05:50  <|Jeroen|> well asap would be kinda hard i guess, almost all routers would have to be flashed or replaced
18:05:55  <|Jeroen|> well home routers i mean
18:06:12  <Eddi|zuHause> my university has 141.48.*.* i believe
18:06:36  <Bjarni> ASAP = As Soon As Possible, which is not tomorrow due to the backbone routers and gateways are IPv4
18:06:46  <Bjarni> home routers aren't an issue here
18:06:50  <Bjarni> the backbone is
18:07:43  <|Jeroen|> i think there are quite a lot of backbones ipv6 ready
18:08:13  <|Jeroen|> you can get ipv6 with some isp's
18:08:17  <|Jeroen|> and on most colo's
18:08:26  <Eddi|zuHause> i think they are holding it back to squeeze the most money out of the ipv4 bottleneck
18:08:30  <Bjarni> if the controlling guys for the internet decides to switch to IPv6 say the first of June next year, then they can just say "switch to IPv6 before that or we cut the connection"
18:09:08  <hylje> then we have two internets
18:09:14  <Bjarni> no
18:09:19  <Eddi|zuHause> oh the noes!
18:09:20  <|Jeroen|> well if they give isp's and users like 2 years to update
18:09:27  <Bjarni> IPv6 can tunnel though IPv4
18:09:27  <Eddi|zuHause> the internets split in half!
18:09:41  <Bjarni> to make the transfer to IPv6 easier
18:10:27  <ln-> can they have signals at the tunnel endings?
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18:10:38  <Bjarni> I think so
18:10:46  <|Jeroen|> no only roundabouts
18:10:53  <|Jeroen|> signals slow down to mutch
18:11:05  <hylje> the real question is
18:11:06  <Bjarni> you mean they create router loops
18:11:08  <Bjarni> that's not good
18:11:14  <hylje> can one have signals IN the tunnel
18:12:24  <|Jeroen|> that would be nice for openttd
18:12:35  <Sacro> the ipv6 move starts soon
18:12:45  <Sacro> and ipv4 gets cut off in... 2012 i think
18:13:01  <orudge> Everything seems to be happening in 2012
18:13:07  <orudge> it's as if it's all huddled round the Olympics or something
18:13:17  <Sacro> yep
18:13:21  <Sacro> analogue tv switch off
18:13:23  <orudge> well, by everything I mean finishing off switching off the analogue TV signal
18:13:27  <orudge> and, um, some other stuff
18:13:28  <orudge> I think
18:13:33  <Bjarni> seriously, if I had an IPv6 and say hylje had one too and I send something to him, I would send it using v6 to the ISP. The ISP might forward me to an IPv4 gateway so it will be changed into an IPv4 package where the v6 package is the data in the v4 one. The v4 package will then go though to hylje's ISP where the v6 package is restored and send the rest of the way
18:13:34  <|Jeroen|> better get a non it job by 2012 then
18:14:00  <Bjarni> because this is possible, using IPv6 ISPs is possible while the backbone is still v4
18:14:14  <Sacro> ooh
18:14:18  <Sacro> the second transit of venus
18:15:05  <Bjarni> <Sacro> analogue tv switch off <-- we do that in 2009 and Sweden will do it in 2007 (I think)
18:15:26  <Sacro> Bjarni: it differs over here according to area
18:15:29  <Bjarni> I didn't really pay attention to when Sweden will do it as I already switched to digital
18:15:33  <Sacro> some has gone off already
18:15:41  <Sacro> yeah, i only use dvb-t too
18:15:53  <Sacro> # July 27 — Opening ceremony of the 2012 Summer Olympics begins in London at 7:30 pm UTC, or 8:30pm BST.[4]
18:16:00  <Sacro> i really hate people who put "or" in
18:16:09  <Bjarni> I like the ability to watch/record any channel in a multiplex :D
18:16:50  <Bjarni> two good movies at the same time, no problem if they are in the same multiplex, just record both :D
18:17:22  <Eddi|zuHause> i think ASTRA switches off analog in 2009 or so
18:17:22  <Bjarni> so far Denmark managed to put all the digital channels into the same multiplex, so I actually don't have a channel limit
18:17:30  <orudge> well, over here, we have, hmm, 5 or 6 muxes
18:17:38  <Bjarni> I mean I can record from all channels at once if I like
18:17:59  <orudge> naturally
18:18:01  <Eddi|zuHause> <Bjarni> I mean I can record from all channels at once if I like <- i can't, i have like 300 channels FTA
18:18:44  <Bjarni> we have the problem that analogue TV takes up all the room so there is only room for a single digital carrier wave and it's not even a SFN either
18:19:05  <Bjarni> in 2009 when the analogue is turned off, then we will get a whole lot of channels :D
18:19:10  <Eddi|zuHause> but the most common 10 channels divide over 4 transponders, i believe
18:19:40  <Bjarni> basically I have 3 channels :/
18:20:01  <Bjarni> I never watch the 4th, which is sign language for the news
18:20:38  <Bjarni> then I have 4 Swedish channels and naturally they are on 3 different frequencies (way to go Sweden)
18:20:59  <Eddi|zuHause> i know that luxemburg has already switched off analog
18:21:25  <Wolf01> BigBB, good work with the shores
18:21:25  <ln-> so has finland
18:21:30  <Bjarni> the same goes for the Faeroe Isles
18:21:40  <BigBB> thank you :)
18:22:59  <Wolf01> now we need your patch and the anti saw foundations patch to add to the game a good eyecandy level :)
18:23:32  <Bjarni> I come to think about it, I use multiplexed channels almost every day. You see, I start the tuner on the news on two channels and then I can switch between them and fast forward/rewind just like it was video
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18:24:07  <Bjarni> and when I do that, they end up overlapping, so I just get them both at once
18:24:10  <BigBB> maybe I release it tomorrow. Atm I'm testing...
18:24:22  * Belugas thinks that deepwater may be receiving an helping hand
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18:25:53  <Wolf01> what the hell, i'm redrawing those stupid road lines for the brickland climate, now seem that they are perfectly aligned
18:28:14  <Sacro> Wolf01: did you try lcad?
18:28:32  <Wolf01> yes
18:29:23  <Belugas> are you happy/sad/perplex/none of the above ?
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18:29:47  <Sacro> perplex?
18:30:29  <Eddi|zuHause> is that even an english word?
18:30:45  <Sacro> yes
18:30:56  <Sacro> "to perplex"
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18:31:08  <Sacro> but the feeling would be "perplexed"
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18:32:08  <Eddi|zuHause> in german you would say "ich bin perplex"... i have never seen it used as a verb...
18:32:09  * Belugas must take some english classes
18:33:00  <Belugas> in french, yu do not need the "d".  So i removed the "e" to make it english and there you go, a wrong word
18:34:06  <Eddi|zuHause> honestly, i'd not really believe Sacro teaching any language...
18:35:00  <Sacro> *I'd
18:35:41  <Eddi|zuHause> see :p
18:36:30  <Eddi|zuHause> anyway, i usually do not capitalise in IRC, except abbreviations or if i really want to emphasise anything
18:36:39  <Eddi|zuHause> something?
18:36:43  <Eddi|zuHause> whateverthing?
18:36:46  <Sacro> Well you should type properley.
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18:36:54  <Sacro> something :)
18:37:04  <Eddi|zuHause> you do not capitalise in spoken language either
18:37:16  <Eddi|zuHause> and i consider chat spoken language
18:37:32  <Eddi|zuHause> and i think i explained that before
18:38:57  <Eddi|zuHause> besides, i do not feel the need to compensate for something by capitalising "i"
18:39:05  <SpComb> not capitalizing your I's is bad grammar, and looks ugly
18:39:40  <Eddi|zuHause> and even besiderer... it goes completely against german capitalisation rules
18:39:47  * SpComb uses a variation of english grammar whereby there's no capital letter at the start of the line, and no period at the end
18:40:23  <Eddi|zuHause> PS: shouldn't it be "properly"?
18:40:39  <SpComb> because you don't really need that on IRC, because each line is its own sentence
18:40:46  <Sacro> err...
18:40:48  <Sacro> noooooo
18:41:27  <Eddi|zuHause> SpComb: that goes along with my rule of "spoken language"
18:41:56  <SpComb> you need the capital letter/period in normal text, because you have more than once sentence together, on IRC each line is it's own sentence. Of course, if there's two sentences in a line, then you have the normal period/capital letter
18:42:02  <Eddi|zuHause> but in reverse of that, i put way too many commas...
18:42:06  <SpComb> and breaking up a sentence over multiple lines is wrong
18:42:30  <Eddi|zuHause> what
18:42:30  <Eddi|zuHause> is
18:42:31  <Eddi|zuHause> wrong
18:42:32  <Eddi|zuHause> with
18:42:33  <Eddi|zuHause> that
18:42:35  <Eddi|zuHause> ?
18:42:57  <SpComb> /kick Eddi|zuHause spam
18:43:27  <Eddi|zuHause> i just wanted to emphasise a point
18:43:28  <SpComb> you have 512 chars to use, no need to use a seperate line for each word with more than one syllable
18:43:43  <Eddi|zuHause> · <- the point
18:43:52  <SpComb> that point isn't very emphasised
18:44:28  <Eddi|zuHause> PS: i did not even use a word with more than one syllable
18:46:20  <SpComb> wasn't specifically about your example
18:47:11  <SpComb> 19:29:53 < gibs> what do you
18:47:11  <SpComb> 19:29:54 < gibs> mean
18:47:11  <SpComb> 19:29:59 < gibs> like
18:47:59  <Eddi|zuHause> that's not exactly a counterexample :p
18:48:02  <Sacro> .
18:48:28  <Wolf01> just one question, i was reading the "problems with ECS on ottd" topic, what about make ottd loading by default the grf on grfid order? if mistaking the order causes glitches and errors why is it allowed?
18:48:32  * Sacro needs to learn how german signalling works
18:48:35  <Eddi|zuHause> Sacro: ·, not .
18:48:51  <Sacro> ·
18:49:06  <Wolf01>
18:49:07  <Eddi|zuHause> Sacro: that's quite difficult, there are at least 4 different system in use
18:49:08  <Wolf01> :D
18:49:28  <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause: well this one had 2 green lights
18:49:30  <Sacro> i was confused :(
18:49:33  <Eddi|zuHause> that's just white here... what's it supposed to be?
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18:49:44  <Sacro> Kuju Rail Simulator
18:50:08  <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, you often have two lights at the same time
18:50:11  <SpComb> ···
18:50:18  <SpComb> there's an emphasised point in there
18:50:22  <Eddi|zuHause> green/green, green/yellow or yellow/yellow
18:50:42  <Eddi|zuHause> SpComb: they look all the same
18:50:48  <SpComb> ·
18:50:51  <Eddi|zuHause> and they are made of tickytacky?
18:50:54  <SpComb> then your terminal has bold fonts disabled
18:51:33  <Eddi|zuHause> i do%b have bold and underlined text
18:51:41  <Eddi|zuHause> err... mistyped
18:51:44  <Eddi|zuHause> i do have bold and underlined text
18:51:45  <gynterk> lol
18:51:56  <Sacro> what about  green?
18:52:02  <Eddi|zuHause> just the dot looks the same
18:52:09  <gynterk> green works here?
18:52:10  <gynterk> hmm
18:52:26  <Eddi|zuHause> channel disables colours i believe
18:52:39  <gynterk> +c afaik
18:52:41  <gynterk> but not sure
18:53:09  <Eddi|zuHause> [2007-10-11 08:54] *** Kanalmodi: Keine Nachrichten von außen, Topic-Schutz, Keine Farben erlaubt
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19:06:25  <Wolf01> see what you did, you pressed the mute key
19:07:00  <Eddi|zuHause> in IRC, that is called "Moderated"
19:07:57  <Eddi|zuHause> like this: [Di Sep 25 2007] [05:05:41] Modus       Kanalmodi: Geheim, Privat, Moderiert, Topic-Schutz, Keine Nachrichten von außen, BeschrÀnkt auf 772 Benutzer
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19:11:02  <Wolf01> i feel cold :(
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19:15:22  <Mek> hmm... is it possible to build pre-signals without a keyboard?
19:15:34  <Wolf01> no
19:16:06  <Mek> bah... some more hacking needed than :) (I'm playing ottd on my neo/openmoko phone, which unfortunately only has a stylus as input device)
19:16:10  <Wolf01> uhm... yes, you need autohotkey, so you can bind the ctrl key to the middle mouse button
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19:16:55  <Mek> uhm.. only a styles, so also no middle or even right mouse button :)
19:17:29  <Wolf01> so i did to change the special powers on sacred, like when you change the weapon in a fps
19:17:54  <Mek> I guess I'll add a small window with a ctrl-button or something like that :)
19:18:28  <Wolf01> can't you raise the softkeyboard?
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19:19:06  <Mek> yeah.. that could work, but is quite annoying as it takes way too much screen-space
19:19:31  <Wolf01> i think that is the simplest way
19:21:50  <BigBB> Mek, integrate the signal-gui patch...
19:23:02  <glx> Mek: it doesn't have some buttons?
19:23:30  <Wolf01> glx, also i have a lot of buttons, but only 2 customisable :(
19:23:51  <Mek> the phone only has a power/sleep button and a go-to-menu button...
19:24:24  <glx> too bad
19:25:35  <SpComb> iPhone OpenTTD!
19:26:06  <Prof_Frink> Mek: Get something like xmonobut for middle/right click
19:26:12  <Rubidium> can't you make it so that when you call the phone CTRL is "pressed"?
19:26:23  <Mek> lol
19:26:57  <SpComb> does it have an orientation sensor?
19:26:58  <Rubidium> maybe even make it configurable depending on the calling number
19:27:19  <SpComb> "turn your phone upside-down to build presignals"
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19:27:52  <Wolf01> rotate it to make things transparent
19:28:16  <Prof_Frink> Does it have an accelerometer, or was I hallucinating?
19:28:33  <Prof_Frink> "move phone towards or away from face to zoom in or out"
19:28:35  <SpComb> drop it on the floor to stop playing OpenTTD
19:28:37  <Mek> it will have two accelerometers in the next revision of the hardware...
19:28:44  <Wolf01> shake it to purchase multiple train cars
19:28:47  <Wolf01> at once
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19:29:42  <LeviathNL> is there a general rule of thumb to load grf's in a order which has the lowest chance of causing conflicts?
19:30:05  <Wolf01> by grfid
19:30:37  <Rubidium> Wolf01: really? maybe from the same author and even then it doesn't hold
19:31:09  <Wolf01> i loaded all by grfid... author or not
19:31:31  <LeviathNL> any theory behind it?
19:31:32  <Rubidium> that's a lucky shot
19:31:52  <Rubidium> the theory is that there is not theory
19:35:13  <Eddi|zuHause> and the second theory is that there is no theory
19:35:24  <Eddi|zuHause> err wait... wrong movie :p
19:35:50  <Wolf01> that grf loading system is ruled by the theory of chaos
19:36:46  <Eddi|zuHause> chaos has more theory than grf loading
19:37:09  <Belugas> bad tongues...
19:38:42  <Wolf01> some hints on where to place a grf are apreciated ;)
19:38:54  <Belugas> each author has his own strategy, that's all
19:40:48  <Prof_Frink> LeviathNL: There's a very simple way to avoid GRF conflicts
19:41:12  <LeviathNL> using none?
19:41:20  <Prof_Frink> :)
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19:52:18  <Eddi|zuHause> that's like avoiding plane crashes by staying in the kitchen...
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19:52:58  <Bjarni> that's my strategy
19:53:17  <Greyscale> Shit! I missed the strategy!
19:53:27  <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause: i like that theory
19:53:37  <Sacro> though i'd personally go to the bomb shelter
19:53:59  <Bjarni> that might be overdoing it
19:54:07  <Bjarni> your bed will do
19:54:09  <Bjarni> hmm
19:54:21  <Bjarni> move your bed to the bomb shelter, just in case
19:54:45  <Sacro> ooh i could
19:54:54  <Sacro> its an authentic ww2 air raid shelter
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19:55:25  <Bjarni> don't mention the war
19:55:32  <Bjarni> now we lost Eddi|zuHause
19:56:07  <Sacro> he started it
19:56:36  <Bjarni> no, you did
19:56:42  <Greyscale> Who'da thunk the germans would be up for Round 2.
19:56:50  <Sacro> Bjarni: no they did
19:56:53  <Sacro> they invaded Poland
19:56:58  <Bjarni> so?
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19:57:09  <Bjarni> in case you aren't aware of it, Poland isn't UK
19:57:12  <Greyscale> And still BMW satnav only finds its way to warsaw.
19:57:17  <Bjarni> you could have cared less
19:57:35  <Greyscale> The germans need a budget brand
19:57:44  <Greyscale> like, VW, but cheaper
19:57:58  <Greyscale> They *did* buy rover at one point
19:58:01  * Prof_Frink slaps Bjarni around a bit with Fawlty Towers
19:58:01  <Bjarni> VW is meant to be cheap... at first at least
19:58:27  <Greyscale> HAHA. Phaeton.
19:58:45  <Greyscale> £60000 peoples car
19:58:46  <Bjarni> Prof_Frink: like I watch Fowly Owners
19:58:50  <Eddi|zuHause> that was before WWII
19:59:15  <Greyscale> yeah, VW have been sticking us with prices since :P
19:59:43  <Sacro> mmm
19:59:51  * Sacro wants a british car :(
20:00:08  <Greyscale> Buy a taxi
20:00:23  <Greyscale> They're still built here
20:00:26  <Greyscale> by LTI
20:00:29  <Greyscale> or a vauxhall
20:00:34  <Greyscale> which are nailed together in luton
20:00:45  <Bjarni> Luton....
20:00:59  <Bjarni> you mean that should be better than Asian cars?
20:01:09  <Greyscale> Where did I say that?
20:01:21  <Sacro> Vauxhall aint british
20:01:23  <Bjarni> good point... nowhere ;)
20:01:58  <Eddi|zuHause> get a VW New Beetle, at least they are manufactured in good old... mexico
20:01:59  <Greyscale> Sacro, they are sortof.
20:02:02  * Prof_Frink wants a DB9
20:02:19  <Greyscale> They're the Blittish arm of GM
20:02:32  <hylje> blittish
20:02:38  <Greyscale> Mostly assembled in this country in a shed in luton between 3 hour teabreaks
20:02:40  * hylje blits
20:02:41  <Bjarni> I like how some US ministry worked out a list of environmental good cars for their employes to buy and they were forced to recall it because none of the 10 cars were American
20:02:53  <Bjarni> profit before environment
20:03:05  <Bjarni> they were all Japanese or Korean
20:03:23  <Greyscale> Rice is cheaper than petrol I hear.
20:03:29  <Greyscale> :P
20:03:32  <Bjarni> :)
20:03:38  <Bjarni> I like the new Nissan
20:03:40  <Prof_Frink> "Here's a list of environmentally friendly cars" "Oh, you can't post that, it doesn't have a Hummer on it"
20:03:43  <Greyscale> which one?
20:03:49  <Greyscale> Frankly, they're all fugly.
20:03:52  <hylje> contary to popular belief even asian automobiles run on conventional means
20:04:02  <Greyscale> hylje, I am aware.
20:04:12  <Greyscale> Its not like the flintstones car anyway
20:04:23  <Prof_Frink> hylje: Luke's car runs on unconventional means
20:04:28  <Greyscale> it'd ATLEAST have satnav to help you find a bronto burger.
20:04:41  <Eddi|zuHause> you mean "conventional" as in "feet stick out to the ground and then you run"?
20:04:54  <Greyscale> why don't they just walk?
20:04:56  <Bjarni> <-- this one
20:04:58  <Prof_Frink> And makes people hungry as he drives past
20:05:03  <Greyscale> and how does that shit turn?
20:05:08  <Greyscale> it'd be an american car if it were
20:05:19  <Greyscale> OH CRAP CORNER D:
20:05:19  <Bjarni> I'm not sure that I would buy it, but I like the idea and it's nice for city traffic
20:05:34  <Bjarni> but they do have to fix mirrors and stuff
20:06:33  <Eddi|zuHause> Bjarni: err, what?
20:06:48  <Prof_Frink> Bjarni: That's...
20:06:58  <Eddi|zuHause> it's like a wheel on wheels...
20:07:03  <Bjarni> it's an interesting concept
20:07:07  <dihedral> gnight
20:07:17  <Bjarni> and it will be interesting to see what it turns out to be
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20:07:53  <Eddi|zuHause> hopefully we won't be getting to see THAT in heroes :p
20:07:56  <Amixosx> Bjarni: nice
20:08:09  <Bjarni> in heroes?
20:08:21  <Prof_Frink> Bjarni: What it will turn out to be is a perpetual concept car
20:08:38  <Eddi|zuHause> Heroes == the best TV series out there
20:08:46  <Bjarni> I specially like the ability to drive sideways so it's easy to parallel park and parallel parked cars can be parked closer
20:08:52  <Eddi|zuHause> they have a contract with Nissan for "product placement"
20:09:05  <Bjarni> hehe
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20:09:22  <Greyscale> Why is there a megaman head in the pivo2 dash?
20:09:31  <Bjarni> it's a talking robot
20:09:39  <Prof_Frink> Greyscale: It's a japanese car
20:09:49  <Bjarni> watching the driver to check for sleepiness and stuff
20:09:53  <Bjarni> and you can talk to it
20:10:00  <Bjarni> ask for directions and stuff
20:10:01  <Prof_Frink> Like I said
20:10:21  <Bjarni> yeah, we kind of said the same thing
20:11:05  <Eddi|zuHause> the keys are like next to each other
20:11:12  <Bjarni> it should be able to talk to the driver if the driver shows signs of falling asleep
20:12:10  <Bjarni> kind of like a dead mans pedal in trains, only not so aggressive
20:14:09  <Prof_Frink> Bjarni: It probably has some flashing lights to a) wake the driver up and b) give him an epileptic fit
20:15:47  <Greyscale> Bjarni, it should fucking drive
20:16:00  <Greyscale> If I'm having megaman talking to me in my car, he may as well drive
20:16:14  <Greyscale> nick the radar speed sensor kit from a Mercedes.
20:16:17  <LeviathNL> wtf newshipsw.grf in combination with some other grf is crapping my sound up :/
20:16:38  <Belugas> poor sound :(
20:16:52  <LeviathNL> anyone familiar with it?
20:17:06  <Belugas> not me, sorry
20:17:19  <Belugas> but you should define "some other grf"
20:17:28  <LeviathNL> I'm trying to find out now
20:17:32  <LeviathNL> which one
20:19:54  <Prof_Frink> Greyscale: And stick some lane drift sensors on too
20:19:56  <LeviathNL> hmm, it does not matter what grf I delete, the problem is gone.
20:20:38  <Greyscale> Prof_Frink, yeah
20:21:26  <LeviathNL> Is there some limitation I could have reached?
20:21:57  <Belugas> hardly
20:22:20  <Belugas> maybe the problem is not grf nor ottd related
20:22:49  <LeviathNL> I'll try it on my laptop
20:26:29  <LeviathNL> same problem
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20:27:32  <Belugas> grfs involved? what order? OS?  OTTD Version?
20:27:48  <Eddi|zuHause> so if the problem disappears if you remove ANY grf, why do you think it's related to newships?
20:28:20  <LeviathNL> I said that before finding out deleting any of the grf's works
20:29:19  <LeviathNL> r11246 (today's nightly) XP,
20:29:28  <Phazorx> can any true type font be used in small_font/medium_font ?
20:30:08  <LeviathNL> it is the standard (openttd first run generated) openttd.cfg only added the grf's
20:31:50  <Bjarni> Phazorx: go ahead and try them. I think it should work with whatever freetype works with
20:32:04  <Phazorx> Bjarni: i dont se erthe effect anymore
20:32:12  <Phazorx> i recall seeing it before
20:32:15  <Bjarni> hmm
20:32:18  <Phazorx> do i need 32vpp and aliasing for that ?
20:32:24  <Bjarni> then you did it wrong :P
20:32:44  <Phazorx> Bjarni: i dont see an error either
20:33:02  <Phazorx> even if i put incorrect font there
20:33:14  <Bjarni> close OpenTTD, edit openttd.cfg where you set the fonts to use, save and open OpenTTD
20:33:23  <Phazorx> and if i do "-s null" game CTDes even
20:33:28  <Phazorx> Bjarni: that's close to what i am doing
20:33:36  <Phazorx> and fonts are staying in the cfg
20:33:43  <Bjarni> hmm
20:34:04  <Bjarni> I have a fontconfig issue so I have to provide absolute paths to the fonts
20:34:07  <Phazorx> and -s null only CTDes with 8bpp--optimized
20:34:23  <Phazorx> Bjarni: you on linux right?
20:34:28  <Bjarni> ...
20:34:39  * Bjarni slaps Phazorx
20:34:41  <Bjarni> try again
20:34:55  <Bjarni> but at least you didn't say Windows :)
20:34:59  <Phazorx> SCO BSD? :)
20:35:06  <Prof_Frink> Anger like that would suggest a BSD
20:35:17  <Bjarni> you are getting closer, but not close enough
20:35:17  * Bjarni slaps Phazorx
20:35:18  <toresbe> Or even an amiga user
20:35:25  <LeviathNL> if someone is interested i can upload my whole openttd directory
20:35:30  <Bjarni> I think you talk garbage because you enjoy pain :P
20:35:43  <toresbe> oh
20:35:48  <Phazorx> Bjarni: unlikely it matetrs anyway
20:35:55  <toresbe> it's that glossy heap of transparency that thinks it's an operating system
20:35:59  <Bjarni> it's in the wiki
20:35:59  <Phazorx> i use windows and self compiled binary
20:36:04  <Phazorx> goona try official now
20:36:11  <Prof_Frink> X-Chat Aqua 0.16.0 (xchat 2.6.1) Darwin 8.10.1 [i386/2.00GHz/SMP]
20:36:23  <Prof_Frink> Hmm, what could that *possibly* be? :p
20:36:24  <Bjarni>
20:36:36  <Phazorx> darwin eh
20:36:43  <Prof_Frink> Bjarni: it's a wiki
20:36:50  <Prof_Frink> It's full of lies
20:37:00  <Bjarni> survival of the fittest
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20:37:07  <Phazorx> Bjarni: so you are the reason for "rightclick_emulate" option in the cfg?
20:37:12  <Bjarni> well, there is one incorrect info on that page
20:37:17  <Bjarni> try to find it
20:37:32  <Phazorx> and this is the person who says i like pain...
20:37:36  <Belugas> he's not active anymore ;)
20:37:52  <Bjarni> err
20:38:03  <Bjarni> actually I was talking about the year of birth
20:38:19  <Phazorx> and btw, darwin is linux :)
20:38:19  <Bjarni> for the record: I have a multibutton mouse
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20:38:23  <Bjarni> in fact I have more than one
20:38:32  <Phazorx> even if apple prefers to call it macos
20:39:22  <Bjarni> I added the right click emulation because other people requested it
20:39:27  <Bjarni> I don't need it
20:40:06  <Phazorx> hm... in cfg do i need to supply full path and file or registered font name actualy?
20:40:21  <Phazorx> and where did errors about fonts go... i used to be getting them
20:40:57  <Bjarni> Phazorx: you are only allowed to ask questions that we can answer. Now you make the illusion that we don't know our own game :P
20:41:44  <Phazorx> so the erros do appear and my mind blocks them somerwhow so i dont see them?
20:42:02  <Bjarni> yeah, that sounds better
20:42:03  <Bjarni> but
20:42:12  <Bjarni> in fact you do get the font you select
20:42:28  <Phazorx> Bjarni: i put fint blah blah blah there
20:42:29  <Bjarni> but you only select fonts that looks like the ingame spritebased font
20:42:31  <Phazorx> i'm sure i dont have it
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20:42:57  <dihedral>
20:43:04  <Phazorx> Bjarni: newspaper, station names and cargo abbriviation in station list'
20:43:13  <Phazorx> are usual ways for me to check correct fonts
20:43:26  <Phazorx> at the moment they look exactly same as usual
20:44:36  <Phazorx> aha... oficial night does give me erro but compiled does not
20:45:11  <Rubidium> with debugging vs without debugging
20:46:05  <LeviathNL> if someone is interested rar of openttd-directory which gives distorted sound(win32)
20:46:07  <Phazorx> Rubidium: as in --enable debug ?
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20:46:33  <Bjarni> <-- hahaha. Imagine getting a ride with a fat person
20:46:37  <LeviathNL> distorted
20:46:48  <Phazorx> CXXFLAGS="-pipe -O2 -march=athlon-xp -ffast-math -fomit-frame-pointer -msse -mmmx -m3dnow -falign-functions=64"
20:46:51  <LeviathNL> whoops
20:46:54  <Phazorx> gcc.exe (GCC) 3.4.2 (mingw-special)
20:47:08  <Phazorx> could any of these 2 be the reason?
20:50:05  <Phazorx> just in case doing a fresh co
20:50:08  <Phazorx> and recompile
20:55:45  <huma>
20:57:58  <Phazorx> still no go on selfcompiled, crashes with -s, and ignores font option
20:58:01  <Phazorx> what did i do wrong?
20:58:39  <Rubidium> you didn't install libfreetype-dev and libfontconfig-dev (or whatever they're called)?
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21:01:04  <Phazorx> Rubidium: win32
21:01:13  <Phazorx> and it used to work ebfore
21:01:58  <Rubidium> I'm only guess as I don't have Windows installed on any of my computers
21:02:30  <Phazorx> Rubidium: i doubt ftype libs are neede in case of mingw... but i could be wrong
21:03:35  <Rubidium> maybe it isn't needed on mingw, though I think it is *highly* unlikely as it is needed when you want to have fonts with a MSVC binary.
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21:08:14  <glx> freetype is needed
21:08:19  <glx> fontconfig isn't
21:09:35  <Phazorx> glx: wehre do i get it
21:09:42  <Phazorx> or do i need to compile it?
21:09:52  <glx> I compiled it
21:10:04  <glx> but I think there is a mingw-port for it
21:11:45  <Phazorx> any pointers on either?
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21:13:00  <glx> <-- get the source and compile it
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21:22:51  <Wolf01> 'night
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21:26:00  <dihedral>
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21:32:12  <Phazorx> .
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21:48:00  <Bjarni> <-- I thought I had seen most stuff when it comes to pool, but....
21:48:02  <Bjarni> wow
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22:05:40  <Mek> yay, my ctrl-button works, finally I can build pre-signals on my phone :)
22:05:55  <valhallasw> neat :)
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22:15:02  <Sacro> windows mobile?
22:15:48  <Mek> nah, openmoko (linux)
22:21:14  <Phazorx> heh linux on phones... removing last bits of differences between phones and computers
22:22:32  <Sionide> Mek, OMG:D
22:22:35  <Sionide> i want one of them
22:23:07  <Mek> they can't really reliable make phone-calls yet, but for openttd playing it is just fine :)
22:23:17  <Phazorx> lolz
22:23:26  <Phazorx> a phone that runs games but cant call?
22:23:34  <Sacro> ooh
22:23:38  <Sacro> i want an openmoko phone
22:24:21  <Sionide> Phazorx, i've got a mobile for that..
22:24:30  <Sionide> more of a PDA the openmoko i'd say
22:24:41  <Sionide> besides, the iPhone can't send MMS
22:30:33  <Phazorx> what's the res on that thing?
22:30:45  <Phazorx> if it betas psp - definately sometihng worthy then
22:30:54  <Mek> 640x480 (with someting like 280dpi...)
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22:40:32  <Phazorx> one needs a zoom to use it?
22:40:52  <Phazorx> i seen 210dpi, very hard to see pixels
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23:42:06  <Sacro> I had a mate who was suicidal.
23:42:06  <Sacro> He was really depressed, so I pushed him in front of a steam train.
23:42:06  <Sacro> Then he was chuffed to bits.
23:42:08  * Sacro roffles
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