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00:00:03 <SmatZ> ok 00:05:52 *** Amix^ [~AmiXoamip@cm-84.208.143.45.chello.no] has joined #openttd 00:09:29 *** Belugas_Gone [~jfranc@ip-125.47.99.216.dsl-cust.ca.inter.net] has joined #openttd 00:13:38 *** KUDr [KUDr@mazanec1.netbox.cz] has joined #openttd 00:17:14 *** Belugas_Gone [~jfranc@ip-125.47.99.216.dsl-cust.ca.inter.net] has quit [Quit: How about sleeping? Yeaaa..] 00:18:45 <DaleStan> Shouldn't that be "We should handle absolutely anything at all without crashing"? 00:19:27 <Belugas> everyone's wish, indeed 00:24:21 <Eddi|zuHause3> ideally, you would also not fall nto an infinite loop :p 00:24:29 <Eddi|zuHause3> +i 00:25:07 <Sacro> ++i; 00:25:33 <Eddi|zuHause3> i--; 00:26:16 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause3--; 00:26:33 *** Eddi|zuHause3 is now known as Eddi|zuHause2 00:26:45 <Sacro> ooh clever 00:27:07 <Eddi|zuHause2> and all that by one movement of the mouse wheel ;) 00:28:00 <Eddi|zuHause2> self.bed = true; 00:28:48 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause2.sendTo("Bed"); 00:30:06 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 00:34:16 <huma> self in python is annoying 00:38:25 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50c79a03.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:45:58 *** fjb [~frank@Wbb58.w.pppool.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:06:03 *** Diabolic1Angel [~dia@xdsl-81-173-251-14.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 01:10:26 *** AntB [~AntB-UK@81.140.93.84] has quit [Quit: *poof!* I am gone -=- Using ChatZilla] 01:13:02 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@xdsl-84-44-201-163.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:21:40 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-226-154-165.adslplus.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:21:46 *** Belugas_Gone [~jfranc@ip-125.47.99.216.dsl-cust.ca.inter.net] has joined #openttd 01:22:34 <Amix^> oki.. dont kill me. be nice with me. but i have to paste this youtube video. as it is a part of the history in scandinavia.. 01:22:36 <Amix^> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDlMSwdVRnQ 01:22:48 <Amix^> ;) 01:23:03 <Amix^> you have to be swedish or norwegian to understand though 01:30:55 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B74DA2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:33:45 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: belugas * r11281 /trunk/src/music_gui.cpp: 01:33:45 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: -Revert(r11259): the problem was not there. In fact, it made it so that no more music were allowed on intro. 01:33:45 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: -Fix[FS#1331]: Somehow, the notion that the first song must be the ttd theme has been lost while on the intro window. 01:33:45 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: When using shuffling setting (which was saved), the intro song at startup was shuffled too. No more :) 01:37:07 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B76C56.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:54:45 *** Belugas_Gone [~jfranc@ip-125.47.99.216.dsl-cust.ca.inter.net] has quit [Quit: How about sleeping? Yeaaa..] 02:18:39 *** Diabolic1Angel [~dia@xdsl-81-173-251-14.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 02:21:25 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 02:46:46 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: belugas * r11282 /trunk/src/newgrf.cpp: -Fix[FS#1344]: Use the right pointer when evaluating the size of the layouts. 02:50:37 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: belugas * r11283 /trunk/src/newgrf.cpp: -Fix(r11282): a typo. Don't ask. 02:50:49 <Ailure> :) 03:01:45 <Amix^> ;p 03:02:12 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-163-29.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:03:30 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-163-29.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 03:05:08 *** elmex_ [~elmex@e180064206.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 03:10:03 *** elmex [~elmex@e180064148.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:15:42 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB511C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 03:39:43 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB511C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai] 03:49:48 *** nairan_ZZzz [~Maui_key@p5498C9F3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 03:49:50 *** mcbane [~Maui_key@p5498DDF8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:06:27 *** notbob [~peter@60-234-249-161.bitstream.orcon.net.nz] has joined #openttd 04:06:47 *** GordonF [GordonF@85-211-138-168.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 04:07:00 *** GordonF [GordonF@85-211-138-168.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [] 04:07:33 <notbob> hi all 04:08:43 <notbob> i'm having trouble getting newindustries to work in the latest nightly 04:09:02 <notbob> specifically getting UK Renewal to work 04:09:20 <notbob> the UK Renewal engines work but new industries don't 04:09:28 <notbob> am i missing something obvious? 04:18:44 *** Arpad58 [~Gali@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:37:31 *** Arpad58 [~Gali@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 04:42:36 *** Amix^ [~AmiXoamip@cm-84.208.143.45.chello.no] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 04:53:01 <notbob> so it looks like you install the industry and vehicle grfs separately 04:53:09 <notbob> doh 05:07:50 *** BigBB [~BigBB@p5B040499.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:13:06 *** BigBB [~BigBB@p5B040A1F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 05:34:41 *** Deathmaker [~Miranda@dslb-082-083-216-111.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 05:36:38 *** DJGummikuh [~joey@clx-ac2-151-3.westend.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 05:49:38 *** notbob [~peter@60-234-249-161.bitstream.orcon.net.nz] has left #openttd [Kopete 0.12.4 : http://kopete.kde.org] 05:50:22 *** Greyscale [~Greyscale@host86-131-34-109.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 05:57:03 *** Zavior [~zavior@d195-237-7-209.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 06:05:47 *** Markkisen [~shit@h-85-24-202-140.NA.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Quit: Screw you guy, I'm going home and smoke pot] 06:13:56 *** Deathmaker [~Miranda@dslb-082-083-216-111.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:18:07 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-164-234.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 06:40:25 *** Greyscale [~Greyscale@host86-131-34-109.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:53:08 *** |Bastiaan| [~kvirc@77.60.199.137] has joined #openttd 06:57:45 *** Bakes [~Bakes@110.121.55.236.guam.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:01:25 *** Frostregen_ [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-164-186.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 07:04:17 *** |Bastiaan| [~kvirc@77.60.199.137] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:04:40 *** |Bastiaan| [~kvirc@77.60.199.137] has joined #openttd 07:05:11 *** |Bastiaan| [~kvirc@77.60.199.137] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:07:00 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-140-065.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:07:05 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 07:12:24 *** |Bastiaan| [~kvirc@77.60.199.137] has joined #openttd 07:15:10 *** |Bastiaan| [~kvirc@77.60.199.137] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:16:31 *** |Bastiaan| [~kvirc@77.60.199.137] has joined #openttd 07:19:35 *** |Bastiaan| [~kvirc@77.60.199.137] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:20:02 *** |Bastiaan| [~kvirc@77.60.199.137] has joined #openttd 07:24:07 *** |Bastiaan| [~kvirc@77.60.199.137] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:24:23 *** |Bastiaan| [~kvirc@77.60.199.137] has joined #openttd 07:24:45 *** |Bastiaan| [~kvirc@77.60.199.137] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:25:36 *** |Bastiaan| [~kvirc@77.60.199.137] has joined #openttd 07:30:36 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 07:59:59 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-29-41.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 08:10:51 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-164-234.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:12:28 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387D17B.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 08:12:35 *** Gekz [~gekko@CPE-58-170-25-221.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 08:14:55 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-164-234.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 08:15:26 <dihedral|away> morning 08:15:33 *** dihedral|away is now known as dihedral|work 08:15:45 <TrueBrain> morning 08:16:04 *** G_ [~njones@202-154-146-188.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #openttd 08:17:19 *** G [~njones@202-154-146-188.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 08:18:05 *** prakti [~prakti@port-213-148-152-8.static.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 08:19:07 <dihedral|work> TrueBrain: is there a 'test' squirrel ai i could use to test stuff with? 08:19:34 <TrueBrain> 'make regression' 08:19:44 <dihedral|work> what will that do? 08:19:51 <TrueBrain> test all AI API functions 08:19:55 <TrueBrain> which are defined, that is 08:19:58 <TrueBrain> it misses a few now 08:20:04 <dihedral|work> and it konks out if something does not work? 08:20:07 <TrueBrain> and tests if they keep consistent over time 08:20:17 <TrueBrain> see bin/ai/regression/regression.nut 08:20:53 <dihedral|work> but thing like checking if a vehicle is in the depot... that does not really do much appart from returning true or false... 08:21:05 <TrueBrain> yes 08:21:14 <TrueBrain> so what the regression does: build a vehicle, test if in depot, should be true 08:21:23 <TrueBrain> start vehicle, wait a bit... test if in depot, should be false 08:21:33 <dihedral|work> heh - yes 08:21:34 <TrueBrain> now if that test ever fails, something is wrong with IsInDepot 08:22:00 <dihedral|work> for the api, should it not rather use the is stopped in depot one? 08:22:03 <TrueBrain> this assures as that no matter what happens with OpenTTD over time, the AI API functions keep on giving the same isgnals :) 08:22:14 <TrueBrain> sorry? 08:22:21 <dihedral|work> there are 2 methods 08:22:35 <dihedral|work> one that check if a vehile is in a depot 08:22:46 <dihedral|work> and one that check if a v is in a depot and stopped 08:22:55 <TrueBrain> in fact, good suggestion 08:23:03 <TrueBrain> now go and find out what the API currently does :) 08:23:11 <dihedral|work> i was doing the IsInDepot last night 08:23:15 <TrueBrain> if it doesn't check stopped state, please add and provide patch :) 08:23:22 <TrueBrain> oh, there isn't InDepot yet? 08:23:25 <TrueBrain> that sucks :) 08:23:30 <dihedral|work> there is the c stuff for it, yes 08:23:33 <TrueBrain> Oh, wait, it comes from an event :) 08:23:36 <dihedral|work> just no squirrel stuff 08:23:45 <TrueBrain> dihedral|work: either it is in the API or not 08:23:48 <TrueBrain> simple as that :) 08:23:54 <dihedral|work> it was not in the api 08:23:59 <TrueBrain> There is no C or SQ when it comes down to AI :p 08:24:12 <dihedral|work> so i copied the stuff from SendVehicleToDepot 08:24:12 <TrueBrain> But yeah, you are right: when a vehicle enters a depot, an event is triggered 08:24:39 <TrueBrain> so having a IsInDepot is useful :) 08:24:41 <dihedral|work> and changed it to return ::GetVehicle(vehicle_id)->IsInDepot(); 08:24:46 <TrueBrain> although in your case: IsStoppedInDepot 08:25:21 <TrueBrain> && GetVehicle(vehicle_id)->status & VS_STOPPED 08:25:29 <TrueBrain> or what ever it is to check if a vehicle is stopped :p 08:25:50 <dihedral|work> there is v->IsInDepot() and v->IsStoppedInDepot() 08:25:52 <dihedral|work> i think 08:26:05 <TrueBrain> :) 08:26:41 <dihedral|work> i'll let you know this evening if i can get that stuff to work :-) 08:27:18 <TrueBrain> please do :) 08:27:33 <TrueBrain> now I am back to processor design :) 08:27:36 <dihedral|work> i must say - i did pick out the easiest there was on the todo list :-P 08:27:55 <TrueBrain> you have to start somewhere, don't you? 08:28:04 <TrueBrain> and did you notice the simplicity of the API? 08:29:21 <dihedral|work> :-) 08:29:38 <dihedral|work> yes - but did you notice that i am absolutely unfamiliar with c/c++? 08:29:53 <TrueBrain> did you notice you don't have to know C++ to do the API? :p 08:30:00 <dihedral|work> lol 08:30:04 <TrueBrain> a bit of copy/pasting, finding the right function, making the doxygen header 08:30:12 <TrueBrain> in fact, a minor 10% of the API is real C++ 08:30:17 <TrueBrain> the rest are just redirects and comments 08:30:18 <dihedral|work> you never have to know a langauge that well to make small patches 08:30:38 <TrueBrain> true :) But in the case of the API, it is even worse :) 08:30:44 <dihedral|work> lol 08:30:48 <TrueBrain> commenting takes 60% of the time 08:30:53 <TrueBrain> an other 30% I spent on copy/pasting :p 08:33:52 <dihedral|work> commenting is very important 08:33:58 <dihedral|work> no comments = bad code 08:34:06 <dihedral|work> ing 08:34:14 <TrueBrain> in case of the API it is the difference between dead or alive :) 08:34:17 *** shodan [user@xerxes.foocode.net] has joined #openttd 08:34:17 <dihedral|work> s/=/==/ 08:34:23 <TrueBrain> without good comments, nobody can work with it 08:34:29 <dihedral|work> :-P 08:34:32 <TrueBrain> while in the rest of OpenTTD, only the devs need to work with it :) 08:34:43 <dihedral|work> not quite 08:34:56 <dihedral|work> i may believe that you do get quite a few patches from non-devs 08:35:17 <TrueBrain> okay: s/devs/patches/ 08:35:18 <dihedral|work> so no comments at all would be pretty nasty 08:35:23 <TrueBrain> patchers in fact 08:35:26 <dihedral|work> :-P 08:35:33 <dihedral|work> yes - the patches need the comments :-P 08:35:46 <dihedral|work> or do the comments need the patches? 08:35:53 <dihedral|work> hmm... 08:41:21 <dihedral|work> TrueBrain: where are your psig stats btw? 08:41:26 <dihedral|work> *pisg 08:41:32 <TrueBrain> http://devs.openttd.org/~truelight/stats/ 08:44:27 <dihedral|work> do you use a sed script for openttdcoop? 08:46:08 <TrueBrain> yes 08:46:12 <TrueBrain> awk in fact 08:46:12 <TrueBrain> but okay 08:46:32 <dihedral|work> you feel like sending it over? :-P 08:47:06 <TrueBrain> euh.. 08:47:06 <TrueBrain> nah! 08:47:07 <TrueBrain> :p 08:47:50 <dihedral|work> :-S 08:47:54 <dihedral|work> :-P 08:48:02 <TrueBrain> in stats/ the file convert_coop.sh 08:48:19 <TrueBrain> Handle with care 08:48:27 <TrueBrain> the script does little safety checks 08:49:04 <dihedral|work> thx 08:49:46 <TrueBrain> np :) 09:02:01 *** FlowaPowa [~Flowa@4va54-4-82-244-103-144.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 09:02:08 *** FlowaPowa [~Flowa@4va54-4-82-244-103-144.fbx.proxad.net] has left #openttd [] 09:02:38 *** RamboRonny [magic.powe@90-230-201-111-no37.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 09:14:53 *** Dephenom [~paul@80.175.234.185] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:15:14 *** Dephenom [~paul@80.175.234.185] has joined #openttd 09:23:51 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 09:27:10 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B813E9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:28:43 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B8121B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 09:28:45 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 09:34:08 <dihedral|work> @seen skidd13 09:34:08 <DorpsGek> dihedral|work: skidd13 was last seen in #openttd 11 hours, 9 minutes, and 29 seconds ago: <skidd13> good night 09:41:03 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 09:44:59 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [] 09:45:22 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 09:45:52 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-29-41.adslplus.ch] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 10:14:48 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-29-41.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 10:53:11 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has joined #openttd 10:57:38 <SmatZ> hello 10:58:46 <|Bastiaan|> is there a patch to auto replace vehicles on diff. tracks ? 10:59:18 <|Bastiaan|> like, replace all rail vegicles for monorail 11:00:27 <SmatZ> it is not possible 11:00:42 <SmatZ> you cannot have monorail vehicles in a rail depot 11:02:31 <|Bastiaan|> ok, is there an easy way to replace them, like, "clone with diff. locomotive" ? 11:02:41 <|Bastiaan|> or do i really have to replace em all by hand ? 11:03:22 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-164-234.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 11:04:33 <SmatZ> I don't know if someone did a patch to do that 11:05:33 *** De_Ghost [~De_Ghost@CPE0050ba8caf2c-CM0011aec4b06a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Quit: no.. your a hobo] 11:05:38 <SmatZ> at least, it is easy to convert rail->el.rail 11:07:25 <|Bastiaan|> thank god :o 11:15:03 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C058.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:18:13 <SmatZ> np 11:32:18 <Gekz> How goes the trainset 11:32:18 <Gekz> :P 11:32:25 <Gekz> still 0.5.3? 11:32:37 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387D17B.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 11:32:37 <Gekz> -__-! 11:39:04 <dihedral|work> Gekz: why does the sunset 11:39:06 *** mikl [~mikl@gw.imtnet.dk] has joined #openttd 11:39:35 <Gekz> because you're a creationist 11:39:36 <Gekz> :P 11:39:47 <dihedral|work> no 11:40:01 <dihedral|work> because in the evening when it gets cooler it's the same as with a pudding 11:40:04 <dihedral|work> it sets 11:50:36 *** scia [~scia@85.149.96.102] has joined #openttd 11:54:33 <dihedral|work> !seen skidd13 11:54:34 <_42_> dihedral|work, skidd13 (skidd13@p548A72FB.dip.t-dialin.net) was last seen parting #openttd 13 hours 29 minutes ago (16.10. 22:24), after spending 1 hour 15 minutes there. 11:54:55 <dihedral|work> does anybody here remember sim farm? 11:57:39 <SmatZ> no 11:59:20 <dihedral|work> schame 11:59:23 <dihedral|work> -c 11:59:25 <dihedral|work> :-P 12:01:26 <SmatZ> yes 12:07:02 <dihedral|work> i am looking for one image of that game... where the towns held a celebration.... :-( 12:09:21 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B8121B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: icebears... take care of them!] 12:12:56 *** Amix^ [~AmiXoamip@cm-84.208.143.45.chello.no] has joined #openttd 12:14:41 *** Gekz [~gekko@CPE-58-170-25-221.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 3.2.6 Anomalies http://www.kvirc.net/] 12:16:42 *** Gekz [~gekko@CPE-58-170-25-221.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 12:22:30 *** LeviathNL [LeviathNL@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has joined #openttd 12:22:50 *** Gekz [~gekko@CPE-58-170-25-221.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 3.2.6 Anomalies http://www.kvirc.net/] 12:28:19 *** xerxes [user@xerxes.foocode.net] has joined #openttd 12:28:22 *** xerxes [user@xerxes.foocode.net] has quit [] 12:34:29 *** shodan [user@xerxes.foocode.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:39:56 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 12:39:59 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:44:04 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-164-234.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 12:50:28 *** Dark_Link^ [~glidegame@fw.dormnet.his.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:51:09 *** Dark_Link^ [~glidegame@fw.dormnet.his.se] has joined #openttd 12:51:40 *** glx|away [~glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 12:51:41 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx|away] by ChanServ 12:52:13 *** glx is now known as Guest1962 12:52:13 *** glx|away is now known as glx 12:55:05 *** Guest1962 [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:55:12 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB511C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:57:14 <Ammler> cd <directory | number> 12:57:21 <Ammler> what can I do with number? 12:57:30 <TrueBrain> very old 12:57:32 <Ammler> (console command) 12:57:34 <TrueBrain> nothing anymore 12:59:33 <Ammler> TrueBrain: you get a number with dir 12:59:42 <Ammler> and then you can change to that number with cd 12:59:56 <TrueBrain> Ammler: in the old days, you could only use the number to navigate 13:00:03 <TrueBrain> now you can navigate via names, but still via numbers 13:00:06 <TrueBrain> but numbers isn't useful anymore :p 13:02:17 <Ammler> strange, I changed with cd to a home outside, but ottd does save still in ./save 13:03:28 <Ammler> ottd is in ~/svn-zone/bin/openttd 13:03:55 <Ammler> how do I save something in ~/website/savearchive/ ? 13:06:26 <Ammler> http://paste.openttd.org/250 13:08:56 <Ammler> (some output could be from AP) 13:10:37 *** Greyscale [~Greyscale@user-544182b4.lns1-c7.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 13:18:19 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@xdsl-81-173-255-229.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 13:20:05 *** frosch123 [~mtce@pascal.math.tu-clausthal.de] has joined #openttd 13:26:06 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-164-234.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: ThePizzaKing] 13:29:38 *** Peakki [antti@cs181247045.pp.htv.fi] has joined #openttd 13:31:03 *** Ihmemies [ihmemies@a88-113-24-180.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 13:41:25 *** Greyscale [~Greyscale@user-544182b4.lns1-c7.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:45:43 *** Zr40 [~zr40@2001:960:786:0:21b:63ff:fe9e:ab24] has joined #openttd 13:48:43 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB511C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai] 14:21:41 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 14:27:36 <Ammler> someone around, who can help with debugging? 14:28:02 <Ammler> I have now the assert with packet.cpp 14:28:25 <Ammler> what have I to do now? 14:35:29 <Phazorx> is there a refference in gdb? 14:35:40 <Phazorx> which server? 14:36:34 *** mattt_ [~m@S010600e02995cf26.su.shawcable.net] has quit [Quit: ircII EPIC4-2.2 -- Are we there yet?] 14:39:25 *** egladil [~egladil@81-236-0-99-no61.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:40:51 *** egladil [~egladil@81-236-0-99-no61.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 14:52:18 <Ammler> Phazorx: mine 14:52:42 <Eddi|zuHause3> Ammler: type "bt" 14:52:56 *** fjb [~frank@Wa651.w.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 14:53:09 <fjb> Moin 14:53:16 <Ammler> http://paste.openttd.org/251 14:53:19 <Eddi|zuHause3> but that probably will not tell anything interesting 14:53:35 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 14:53:57 <Eddi|zuHause3> hm, you did not compile with debug symbols 14:54:02 <Phazorx> debug symbols would help 14:54:13 <Phazorx> did you run with net=2 ? 14:54:21 <Ammler> yep 14:54:36 <Phazorx> was thre anything interesting there? 14:54:39 <Ammler> as its default in debug mode 14:54:51 <Phazorx> that defult overridde by AP 14:55:01 <Phazorx> unless you set it manually afterwards it is not active 14:55:02 <Ammler> I started without 14:55:36 <Ammler> http://paste.openttd.org/252 14:56:05 *** KouDy [user@85.207.64.178] has joined #openttd 14:56:19 *** Greyscale [~Greyscale@user-5442a22c.lns1-c8.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 14:56:41 <ln-> http://bp2.blogger.com/_y3MntRocXfM/Rv_soBwxU2I/AAAAAAAAADs/KEK36rFh-aE/s1600-h/mcdonalds_medium.jpg 14:56:59 <Ammler> Eddi|zuHause3: so I need to recompile 14:57:01 <Ammler> ? 14:57:10 *** Farden [~jk3farden@AMontsouris-156-1-63-19.w90-24.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 14:57:14 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: glx * r11284 /trunk/src/industry_gui.cpp: -Codechange: don't reset build industry cursor if it failed 14:57:44 <Ammler> hmm, its possible I forgot that because of update to newindustries 14:58:17 <Eddi|zuHause3> Ammler: maybe one of the gdb gurus can help attaching debug symbols afterwards, but i don't know how 14:58:35 <Phazorx> Ammler: or we can trace that ip in frankfurt and ask a person what did they do 14:58:53 <Ammler> I don't believe he did something special 14:59:27 <Phazorx> missing some grfs apparently is special enough 14:59:37 <Phazorx> and a key to be able to reproduce 15:00:24 <Ammler> possible to see, with which revision someone connected? 15:00:39 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has joined #openttd 15:00:43 <Phazorx> only if you get tcpdump running 15:01:25 <Ammler> haven't installed that tool 15:01:35 <Phazorx> emerge tcpdump :) 15:01:43 <Phazorx> or apt-get tcpdump 15:01:54 <Ammler> yast -i tcpdump :P 15:02:10 <Ammler> I have a distro, not toys 15:02:28 <Phazorx> a distro that does not come with tcpdump doesnt qualify weven as a toy 15:02:42 *** Zr40 [~zr40@2001:960:786:0:21b:63ff:fe9e:ab24] has quit [Quit: Zr40] 15:02:46 <Ammler> :) 15:05:56 <Ammler> I have posted an other problem 2 hours ago: 15:05:57 <Ammler> [15:04] <Ammler> strange, I changed with cd to a home outside, but ottd does save still in ./save 15:05:57 <Ammler> [15:05] <Ammler> ottd is in ~/svn-zone/bin/openttd 15:05:57 <Ammler> [15:06] <Ammler> how do I save something in ~/website/savearchive/ ? 15:06:09 <Phazorx> simlink 15:06:39 <Ammler> Phazorx: that sounds like a workaround 15:06:46 <Ammler> so its not possible? 15:07:13 <Phazorx> i was told you can not define any paths in ottd 15:07:17 <Ammler> hmm, I don't find, how to compile with debug mode anymore 15:07:18 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B8121B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 15:07:19 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 15:07:27 <Phazorx> so all homedirs and globals are workarounds :) 15:07:35 <glx> ./configure --enable-debug = 3 15:07:39 *** Markkisen [~shit@host48-41.etanet.se] has joined #openttd 15:07:46 <Ammler> thanks, i reconfigure 15:08:04 <Ammler> I guess, the assert will happen until tomorrow 15:09:39 <frosch123> Ammler: "Usually, I'll make diffs with svn diff, how do I make proper diffs with diff" <- diff -u 15:10:09 <Ammler> :) thanks 15:12:11 *** Deathmaker [~Miranda@dslb-082-083-228-024.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 15:14:44 * Ammler has updated Thread... 15:15:52 <Ammler> I don't need any special start parameter for debugging in dedicated mode? 15:17:24 <Eddi|zuHause3> <Ammler> so its not possible? <-- it might be with ./configure 15:17:52 <Ammler> Eddi|zuHause3: thats fine, how? 15:18:26 <huma> anyone using palm these days? 15:19:05 <Eddi|zuHause3> --personal-dir=? 15:20:54 <Eddi|zuHause3> if i understand this correctly, if you specify --personal-dir=/foo, it tries to save in /foo/save 15:21:13 <Ammler> Eddi|zuHause3: yeah, but I like to save it in different locations 15:21:41 <Ammler> I thought thats the need of cd, but then its only for load? 15:21:43 <Eddi|zuHause3> i never tried saving from the console... 15:22:00 <Ammler> I would like to make the server SSH independent 15:22:33 <Eddi|zuHause3> well, then you should patch the save command ;) 15:22:55 <Ammler> hmm, or I could just smylink the save folder to the webserver... 15:23:05 <Ammler> as Phzorx suggested 15:25:07 *** LeviathNL [LeviathNL@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:25:35 *** Markkisen [~shit@host48-41.etanet.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:26:24 *** Markkisen [~shit@h64n1c1o1114.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #openttd 15:27:21 <Ammler> does debug mode also alter the revision number? 15:27:25 <Ammler> have a M now 15:29:29 *** frosch123 [~mtce@pascal.math.tu-clausthal.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:30:50 <Eddi|zuHause3> no 15:30:57 <Eddi|zuHause3> M means local modifications 15:31:28 *** raimar3 [~hawk@p5489DF93.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:31:49 <Eddi|zuHause3> (a "svn revert . -R" solves that) 15:32:57 <Ammler> hmm, if I configure with --revision=XXX and later an other ./configure without --revision, will then the revision be overwritten again? 15:33:59 <glx> yes 15:34:15 <glx> hmm no it will use default rev 15:34:58 <Eddi|zuHause3> a reconfigure should remove that override again 15:34:58 * Ammler is recompiling :) 15:35:21 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB511C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:36:01 <Ammler> hmm, why does it compile every file? 15:36:12 <Ammler> usually it compiles only rev.cpp 15:38:20 <Eddi|zuHause3> because you reconfigured 15:38:29 <Eddi|zuHause3> reconfigure triggers full recompile 15:40:25 *** Deathmaker [~Miranda@dslb-082-083-228-024.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:40:57 <Ammler> I mean, I did reconfigure just to remove the "M" more then once and it didn't recompile everything 15:47:19 <fjb> I have a question regarding pathfinding again. Should "new global pathfinding" be disabled in the patch settings? I have YAPF enabled for road vehicles and trains. 15:48:02 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: glx * r11285 /trunk/src/industry_cmd.cpp: -Fix: 'site unsuitable' was always shown instead specified message when trying to build industry ingame (Csaboka) 15:52:06 <Eddi|zuHause3> fjb: YAPF setting overrides NPF setting 15:54:06 <fjb> Ok, but what about planes? Do they have their own path finding? 15:54:57 *** fjb is now known as fjbAWAY 15:59:24 *** |Bastiaan| [~kvirc@77.60.199.137] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 3.2.6 Anomalies http://www.kvirc.net/] 16:00:09 *** dihedral|work is now known as dihedral|away 16:03:07 <Rubidium> Ammler: is somebody already debugging the crashed server (assuming it's still in stopped in gdb)? 16:03:44 <Ammler> Rubidium: I have restarted, forgot to compile the new revision in debug mode 16:03:58 <Ammler> but it should crash within 24h 16:09:27 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: rubidium * r11286 /trunk/src/texteff.cpp: -Fix (r11228): NewGRF industries assume that the order of animation always stays the same. Patch by Csaboka. 16:10:54 <Phazorx> cant add a bug for 2 days now 16:11:01 <Phazorx> does FS have something against me? 16:11:25 <Rubidium> or your browser 16:11:48 <Phazorx> i get timeout from site 16:12:06 <Phazorx> however same browser has no issue when browsing other side or reviewing old reports i made from same browser 16:12:47 <Rubidium> strange as there were reports made yesterday 16:13:29 <Phazorx> yesterday is really an abstract concept with so many timezones :) 16:13:51 <Sionide> everyone should work on Swatch .beats 16:13:53 <Sionide> internet time++ 16:14:04 <Rubidium> Phazorx: well... it at least covers your 2 days not being able to make a bug report 16:14:20 <Phazorx> Rubidium: not necessary 16:14:27 <Phazorx> my yesterday was 16 hours ago 16:14:29 <Phazorx> as i recall 16:14:34 <Phazorx> whoch is not anywhere close to 2 days 16:14:59 <Rubidium> Phazorx: there were people making a bugreport between 40 and 16 hours ago 16:15:12 <Rubidium> so there were people able to make bugreports when you couldn't 16:15:13 <Phazorx> yet again, that is completely irrelevant to the question if there is anything at this time 16:15:20 <Rubidium> so it looks like a problem on your side 16:15:30 <Phazorx> Rubidium: i'm happy for these people, doesnt help me any 16:15:46 <Phazorx> so a problem specific to submitting a bug? 16:15:48 <Rubidium> it just should work; as far as I am aware nothing has been changed 16:16:24 <Phazorx> weee worked oon 7th time 16:16:41 <glx> 8MB save 16:16:47 <glx> that may be the problem :) 16:16:54 <Phazorx> 8mb ??? 16:17:26 <glx> oups my brain failed :) 16:17:37 <Phazorx> C:\BuildOTTD\msys\home\trunk\bin\save>ls -la 16:17:37 <Phazorx> -rw-rw-rw- 1 user group 8628 Oct 17 12:03 wagonspeedlimits.sav 16:17:57 <glx> 8KB indeed 16:18:36 <Phazorx> perhaps save is less than bugreport itself in html form is the issue... 16:18:47 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 16:19:29 <Phazorx> well and i made a spellig logic error 16:19:46 <Phazorx> Triggering *wagon_speed_limits* on a fly ... 16:19:54 <Phazorx> if soemone can correct that - please do 16:25:38 *** Barry [~chatzilla@bg1078138.hum.uva.nl] has joined #openttd 16:29:42 *** elmex_ [~elmex@e180064206.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:34:14 *** elmex [~elmex@e180064206.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 16:35:39 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-111-234.fttx.bbned.nl] has joined #openttd 16:38:45 <Belugas> ping Eddi|zuHause3 16:38:53 <Eddi|zuHause3> ? 16:39:08 <Belugas> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/1315 <-- is it your bug? 16:39:16 <Belugas> i mean... your report of a bug... 16:39:19 *** dihedral [~dihedral@dslb-084-056-240-237.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 16:39:41 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host240-239-dynamic.15-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 16:39:44 <dihedral> :-) 16:40:04 <Eddi|zuHause3> err, yes 16:40:18 <Belugas> so, is it still a valid one? 16:40:24 <Wolf01> hello 16:40:25 <Belugas> have you retested it recently? 16:40:28 <Belugas> hello Wolf01 16:40:42 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 16:40:42 <Eddi|zuHause3> i didn't 16:41:06 <Belugas> whenever you'll have time for it, it would be appreciated ;) 16:41:44 <Eddi|zuHause3> still the same in r11265 16:42:10 <Belugas> ok 16:42:15 <Belugas> thanks 16:42:39 <Eddi|zuHause3> if you exchange alpine and dbset, the ore wagons show the default cargo of the wagon 16:42:55 <Belugas> and in ttdp? Or does it react? 16:43:03 <Eddi|zuHause3> as far as i can determine, it's only graphically 16:43:09 <Eddi|zuHause3> i did not test ttdpatch 16:43:17 <Eddi|zuHause3> i'm gonna try that right now 16:43:28 <Belugas> Good boy :D 16:46:55 <Eddi|zuHause3> appears to work correctly in TTDPatch 16:47:03 *** Mek [~marijn@s55917044.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:47:40 <Eddi|zuHause3> how do i cheat the year in TTDP? 16:48:08 <glx> cht: something 16:48:26 <Eddi|zuHause3> that even worked :p 16:49:03 <Belugas> ok, Eddi|zuHause3. thaks for confiming it is still a valid but 16:49:05 <Belugas> bug 16:52:14 *** Zr40 [~zr40@2001:960:786:0:21b:63ff:fe9e:ab24] has joined #openttd 16:58:34 *** Peakki [antti@cs181247045.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: LÀhdössÀ] 17:04:36 * dihedral is compiling noai 17:09:20 <dihedral> TrueBrain: ?? 17:09:51 *** Grey [~Greyscale@user-5442a22c.lns1-c8.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 17:12:28 <dihedral> should noai branch stuff go to bugs.openttd.org category AI (New/Old) ? 17:15:43 *** Dephenom [~paul@80.175.234.185] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:16:21 *** Dephenom [~paul@80.175.234.185] has joined #openttd 17:16:47 *** Grey [~Greyscale@user-5442a22c.lns1-c8.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:17:10 *** Greyscale [~Greyscale@user-5442a22c.lns1-c8.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:18:20 *** fjbAWAY is now known as fjb 17:23:09 * dihedral wonders where TrueBrain could be 17:24:16 *** Rexxie [~rexxars@ti0140a340-0088.bb.online.no] has quit [Quit: edgepro: There are two kinds of people, those who finish what they start and so on.] 17:25:05 <glx> out to do some sport 17:25:13 <Belugas> enjoy 17:25:24 <glx> was for dihedral ;) 17:25:25 <Belugas> ho... TrueBrain,not you 17:25:31 <Belugas> yeah, realisez it... 17:25:34 <Belugas> sorry :) 17:26:09 * dihedral sighs 17:27:58 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB511C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai] 17:30:08 *** Rexxie [~rexxars@ti0140a340-0088.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 17:32:48 <Wolf01> !seen peter1138 17:32:51 <_42_> Wolf01, peter1138 (~petern@217.151.109.242) was last seen quitting #openttd 4 weeks 20 hours 1 minute ago (18.09. 21:31) stating "Quit: Leaving" after spending 29 minutes there. 17:32:56 <Wolf01> uhm 17:33:12 <Eddi|zuHause3> <dihedral> should noai branch stuff go to bugs.openttd.org category AI (New/Old) ? <- where else would it go? 17:33:43 <dihedral> do i know how many attempts the could be for ai stuff? 17:33:45 <Wolf01> i miss peter :'( 17:33:50 <dihedral> *there 17:36:16 *** gfldex_ is now known as gfldex 17:38:46 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A631C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:39:05 <skidd13> dihedral: ping 17:39:44 <dihedral> pong 17:39:50 <dihedral> sup dog 17:43:10 *** Roujin [~Roujin@mnch-4d049528.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 17:43:20 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 17:50:13 <Roujin> did anyone look at my patch (area terraform) since yesterday and found something bad (bad coding, or bug while playtesting)? 17:51:44 <Roujin> since most people voted that they find it useful, i'll make a flyspray task for it... 17:52:22 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50c79a03.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 17:52:25 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 17:52:37 <Wolf01> hello Bjarni 17:52:55 <Bjarni> hi Wolf359 17:53:05 <Bjarni> err.. wrong Wolf :P 17:53:11 <Eddi|zuHause3> isn't that a planet? 17:53:12 <Wolf01> lol 17:53:24 <Vikthor> Eddi|zuHause3: I think it is 17:53:28 <Bjarni> it is 17:53:40 <Bjarni> as usual I didn't just pick a random number 17:54:06 <Roujin> wolf01, we might be related ^^ 17:54:32 <Vikthor> Not exactly planet, it is star 17:54:53 <Roujin> that is, if wolf is your real name ;) 17:55:36 <Wolf01> eheh, it's not, but i would have liked it :P 17:55:52 <Roujin> oh, then nvm. xD 17:56:10 <Bjarni> Wolf 359 is a real star, but it's far away and way better known in it's fictional usage where Star Trek has a huge battle with the Borg there 17:56:15 <Roujin> you could still marry someone with that name if you like it :D 17:57:05 <Bjarni> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Wolf_359 <-- well, this is the first thing that shows up when I searched for "Wolf 359".... I think I just proved my former statement 17:57:16 <Wolf01> is hard to find a female named wolf... even in italian... 17:57:37 <Bjarni> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolf_359 <-- and this one is mention later 17:57:52 <Eddi|zuHause3> Bjarni: yeah, i know all that ;) 17:58:10 *** KouDy [user@85.207.64.178] has quit [Quit: Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com] 17:58:11 <Bjarni> Eddi|zuHause3: then why did you call it a planet? 17:58:27 <Bjarni> and there might be other people in here who don't know those facts 17:58:32 <Roujin> aha, google speaks truth ^^ 17:58:45 <Wolf01> eeek star trek links weren't forbidden like youtube? 17:59:08 <Bjarni> I didn't quote Star Trek 17:59:25 <Roujin> like those popular examples... "complete failure" --> first link George Bush's biography, or what was it ^^ 18:01:25 <Eddi|zuHause3> i liked "evil empire" more :p 18:01:49 <Eddi|zuHause3> (that ended up in "microsoft.com") 18:02:00 <Roujin> that's a nice one ;D 18:02:22 <Bjarni> ahh, found it 18:02:27 <Eddi|zuHause3> i don't think it works anymore 18:02:35 <Bjarni> some guy tried to prove that google isn't the right source for info 18:02:36 <Bjarni> Is fortran dying: 203,000 hits 18:02:36 <Bjarni> Is scala dying: 247,000 hits 18:02:36 <Bjarni> is george w. bush dying: 2,060,000 hits 18:02:41 <Bjarni> bye bye Bush :P 18:03:46 <Wolf01> tomorrow there is a movie about Bush's death on an italian tv channel 18:05:45 <Roujin> hm. what is scala? 18:06:33 *** KouDy [~KouDy@85.207.64.178] has joined #openttd 18:07:19 *** Arpad58 [~Gali@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:11:57 *** Klanticus [~Klanticus@201-92-82-140.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #openttd 18:12:05 *** Wolf01 is now known as Wolf01|AWAY 18:12:31 *** stillunk1own [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:14:26 <dihedral> when does openttd know of the 'client id' or 'unique id' of a joining / joined client? 18:16:21 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 18:16:25 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-129-139.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 18:17:13 <Eddi|zuHause3> i assume TrueBrain is the one to ask about network protocol stuff 18:17:44 * dihedral wonders this time when TrueBrain might be back 18:19:09 *** Arpad58 [~Gali@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 18:20:09 *** prakti [~prakti@port-213-148-152-8.static.qsc.de] has quit [Quit: Quitting .... 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I did meet a cute girl at uni not long ago... well she was cute until she opened her mouth and then the cute vanished right away 19:05:46 <Bjarni> what a turnoff :( 19:06:00 <Wolf01> lol 19:06:28 <Bjarni> I started to wonder "wtf is she doing at a university with a mind like that???" 19:06:41 <Bjarni> could be a visitor though 19:07:17 <ln-> or from sweden 19:07:33 <Bjarni> there was no language barrier 19:07:57 <Bjarni> well, there could be one... intellectual vs whatever you call whatever she spoke 19:09:24 <Prof_Frink> Bjarni: It's called en_US 19:09:35 <Ammler> glx / Rubidium: its happen again: http://paste.openttd.org/253 19:10:35 <Ammler> and last lines of console: http://paste.openttd.org/254 19:10:39 <Bjarni> Prof_Frink: well, there is no dk_US, but I didn't mean like that. I meant the choice of words and the vocabulary 19:10:59 <Bjarni> then again en_US tend to lack words as well so in a way... yes 19:12:09 <Ammler> Phazorx: do I have symbols now? 19:12:37 <glx> yes you have symbols 19:13:38 <ln-> Bjarni: btw, the code for danish is "da", not "dk" 19:15:02 <skidd13> Anyone who can help me a bit with GIT? I want to checkout a branch of someone. 19:16:33 *** Greyscale [~Greyscale@host86-131-34-109.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 19:17:06 <Bjarni> ln-: but I'm talking about something that wouldn't classify as Danish, so it would be fitting to call it something else 19:17:32 <Bjarni> skidd13: I don't know how to do that, but I can tell you how to do that in Hg 19:19:14 <skidd13> :( I want to switch from svk to git cause in svk there is no revision number at these branches. 19:19:33 <Phazorx> Ammler: you do 19:19:50 <Ammler> skidd13: did you read man git ? 19:20:10 <Bjarni> skidd13: http://wiki.sourcemage.org/Git_Guide 19:20:26 <Bjarni> that's the best I can do 19:20:47 <Ammler> is there something more you need to know? 19:20:53 <Ammler> I mean for debugging? 19:20:59 <Phazorx> keep the gdb open 19:20:59 <Prof_Frink> http://wiki.sourcemage.org/Goat_Guide 19:21:11 <Phazorx> perhaps glx will ask you to do more digging 19:21:17 <Phazorx> but we seems to know what grf casused it now 19:21:19 <skidd13> Ammler: partitialy Bjarni: thanks that should help 19:21:36 <Phazorx> and it's like 36 chars string only 19:22:12 <glx> Ammler: as Phazorx said, don't close gdb 19:22:13 <Ammler> Phazorx: next game will have another grf 19:22:55 <Ammler> but it was everytime one of the last 19:23:42 <Ammler> glx, hmm, I will, but there is a really nice Beer production 19:24:02 <Phazorx> beer production? 19:24:09 <Ammler> with PBI 19:24:24 <Phazorx> the bug seems to appear in ukrs addon rather than pbi 19:24:24 <Ammler> Cottbus Beer 19:25:10 <Ammler> as I already said, the GRF has nothing to do with taht 19:25:16 <Ammler> its just of the last 19:25:44 <Phazorx> i tihnk it is the last 19:25:47 <Prof_Frink> Beer! 19:26:14 <glx> Phazorx: the problem is not the grf 19:26:55 <Phazorx> glx: you sure that nothing specific to GRF with longest name out of the whole list has anything to do with buffer overflow? 19:27:40 <Ammler> yes, but independent on the specific grf 19:32:59 <Wolf01> BigBB, do you think is possible to add the support for the Asiatic faces maybe with a grf? (and so maybe the support for more faces via grf) 19:33:32 *** |Bastiaan| [~kvirc@ip87-205-173-82.adsl2.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 19:41:22 <Belugas> would require to define new specs... 19:41:28 <Belugas> nothing allows that, right now 19:46:06 <Belugas> plus, you would need someone to draw the said face... 19:46:09 <Belugas> and features 19:46:28 *** Barry [~chatzilla@bg1078138.hum.uva.nl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.7/2007091417]] 19:49:11 * dihedral wonders if TrueBrain is back yet :_) 20:00:54 <Eddi|zuHause3> you need a sad face? -> :'( 20:02:35 <dihedral> :'( 20:02:41 <dihedral> thanks Eddi|zuHause3 20:02:56 <hylje> :'( 20:02:56 <dihedral> i would not have found the right way to express my feelings without you 20:03:11 * dihedral hugs hylje 20:03:13 <dihedral> dont cry 20:03:16 <dihedral> there there 20:03:23 <Eddi|zuHause3> well, technically, i was replying to Belugas, but if it helps you ;) 20:03:32 <Rubidium> Ammler: any way I can communicate directly to that gdb? 20:04:03 * dihedral is tempted to type /nick gdb 20:04:37 <Prof_Frink> Rubidium: Run gdb in gdb. 20:04:50 <hylje> recursion 20:05:43 <Prof_Frink> run gdb in gdb running on bsd in vmware through wine on linux on Xen. 20:06:01 <Ammler> Rubidium: public ssh key? 20:06:42 <dihedral> and make the private one available ad devsl.openttd.org/~rubidium/id_rsa 20:07:10 <hylje> one shouldnt need to make priv keys available 20:07:12 <Ammler> dihedral, that would break much :P 20:07:12 <Rubidium> Ammler: you mean .ssh/id_rsa.pub? 20:07:19 <Ammler> Rubidium: yes 20:07:24 <Prof_Frink> Ammler: Quiet you. 20:07:32 <Ammler> or an other special one... 20:08:01 <Rubidium> Ammler: http://devs.openttd.org/~rubidium/id_rsa.pub 20:08:15 <dihedral> Prof_Frink> run gdb in gdb running on bsd in vmware through wine on linux on Xen. <--- that is good... that is real good 20:08:26 <dihedral> lol Rubidium 20:08:32 *** Peakki [antti@cs181247045.pp.htv.fi] has joined #openttd 20:09:40 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: rubidium * r11287 /trunk/src/ (6 files): -Codechange: add support for pushing paramaters into NewIndustries' error messages. Patch by Csaboka. 20:10:38 <Ammler> Rubidium: ssh tt-ms@mozart.ammler.ch 20:11:49 <dihedral> so you are splitting up into more users now? 20:12:20 *** Rexxie [~rexxars@ti0140a340-0088.bb.online.no] has quit [Quit: edgepro: Why are you staring at my shoes? They're perfectly normal.] 20:12:26 <hylje> silly 20:22:27 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB511C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:28:57 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387D17B.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 20:29:59 *** Peakki [antti@cs181247045.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: LÀhdössÀ] 20:34:03 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has joined #openttd 20:34:05 <Rubidium> Ammler: is that server running with 35 NewGRFs? 20:34:18 <Ammler> possible 20:34:49 <Ammler> do you need it correct? 20:35:02 <Rubidium> well, otherwise I wouldn't ask it this way 20:35:50 <Ammler> 238-273 20:36:06 <Eddi|zuHause3> !calc 273-238 20:36:08 <_42_> Eddi|zuHause3: 35; 20:36:17 <Ammler> Rubidium: Yes 20:36:34 <Eddi|zuHause3> smells like an array out of bounds access 20:36:53 <Eddi|zuHause3> if only you used a decent language :p 20:37:31 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: Always remember you're unique, just like everyone else.] 20:38:46 <Rubidium> if only Eddi|zuHause3 would know where he's talking about 20:39:45 * Ammler runns to plugin the notebook... 20:40:25 <Eddi|zuHause3> yeah, i'm leaning quite far out of the window, but i associated that 35 entries with the length 36 Phazorx was talking about 20:41:32 <Rubidium> well, there seems to be a obiwan somewhere, though I haven't found it yet 20:41:43 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A631C.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 20:41:47 <Prof_Frink> !calc 850*77.1 20:41:49 <_42_> Prof_Frink: 65535.0; 20:41:58 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:43:03 <Ammler> Rubidium: if needed you can also include other public key in authorized_keys... 20:43:21 <Ammler> maybe someone else can help... 20:45:07 <Ammler> and we can also keep it until tomorrow, I don't like to be quilty if you don't have enough sleep 20:45:58 <Rubidium> what is the 34th newgrf? 20:46:17 <Ammler> screen 2 20:46:27 <Ammler> gertrams 20:47:04 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has joined #openttd 21:02:52 *** MarkSlap [~me@h64n1c1o1114.bredband.skanova.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:03:07 *** Klanticus [~Klanticus@201-92-82-140.dsl.telesp.net.br] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:03:19 *** MarkSlap [~me@h64n1c1o1114.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #openttd 21:06:58 *** Klanticus [~Klanticus@201-92-82-140.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #openttd 21:08:44 *** Deathmaker [~Miranda@dslb-082-083-180-093.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 21:12:32 <Rubidium> Ammler: very odd bug 21:12:45 <Rubidium> I can't reproduce it 21:13:41 <Ammler> dosn't suprise me 21:13:50 <Rubidium> I just have to wait till the next time to gather a little more info 21:14:19 <Ammler> but can I start "my" game with it or should I make a new one? 21:14:46 <Rubidium> you can load your game in it 21:14:54 <Rubidium> I haven't started autopilot or so though 21:15:54 <Ammler> hmm, its not needed 21:17:41 <Ammler> Rubidium: did you change something to get more infos next time? 21:17:53 <Ammler> or should I do something else? 21:17:57 <Rubidium> added an extra assert 21:18:30 <Rubidium> should trigger where the problem begins with "showing" 21:19:03 <Ammler> do what you like... :) 21:19:48 <Belugas> anyone knows where ttdpatch holds the code for its action 7/9 params evalutation? the pendant of our GetParamVal in newgrf.cpp:3361 ? 21:21:34 <Rubidium> grfact.asm:2255? 21:22:58 <Belugas> good :) 21:23:01 <Belugas> thanks 21:23:53 <LeviathNL> is it possible to set a default blitter in the .cfg? 21:24:15 <Rubidium> depends on the version of OTTD. For the current nightlies you can 21:24:33 <Rubidium> IIRC 21:24:43 <TrueBrain> Burp 21:25:01 <LeviathNL> that's what i thought but I can't find anything in openttd.cfg 21:25:13 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-111-234.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [Quit: brb] 21:25:35 <Rubidium> Mr. Says Burp All The Time should know the answer ;) 21:26:44 <TrueBrain> on what? 21:26:47 <TrueBrain> oh 21:26:51 <TrueBrain> blitter=32bpp-optimized 21:26:51 <glx> LeviathNL: it is not in it by default 21:26:54 <TrueBrain> works in openttd.cfg 21:26:58 <TrueBrain> add in first section 21:27:09 <glx> same goes for video, music and sound 21:27:16 <TrueBrain> they are 'hidden' like video, ... what glx says :p 21:27:43 *** alex^^ [~email@78-86-117-217.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 21:27:50 *** alex^^ [~email@78-86-117-217.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [] 21:28:14 <Belugas> is it me or is http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=Action7 not up todate with grfact.asm:4212? Or if there are variables that are not needed to be exposed to the users? 21:28:51 *** alex^^ [~email@78-86-117-217.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 21:28:54 <glx> what do you mean ? 21:29:30 <LeviathNL> ty, 32bpp-anim seems best on my system, with the other blitters I see the screen being divided in vertical bars when scrolling 21:29:58 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-111-234.fttx.bbned.nl] has joined #openttd 21:30:22 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50c79a03.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:31:27 <Belugas> not mentionned in wiki but referenced in asm: var 80, 82, 89, 8A, 8C, 90, 91, 97, 98, 99, 9B, 9C, 9E, 9F, A0 21:32:55 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50c79a03.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 21:32:55 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 21:33:02 <Belugas> or maybe it is internal, and the user do not really need to know about them, like 8C current callback 21:33:20 *** mode/#openttd [-b *!*shit@*.bredband.skanova.com] by Bjarni 21:33:48 <Bjarni> I realised I forgot to unban him while the system was shutting down.... so I had to start the computer again :/ 21:33:53 *** elmex [~elmex@e180064206.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:34:11 <Bjarni> oh well 21:34:14 <Bjarni> goodnight 21:34:16 *** Farden [~jk3farden@AMontsouris-156-1-63-19.w90-24.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )] 21:34:17 <LeviathNL> gn 21:34:26 <Bjarni> this time I leave for real... I haven't ban anybody else :P 21:34:37 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50c79a03.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [] 21:34:47 *** |Bastiaan| [~kvirc@ip87-205-173-82.adsl2.versatel.nl] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 3.2.6 Anomalies http://www.kvirc.net/] 21:34:49 <Prof_Frink> Quick! Ban Bjarni! 21:36:01 <Belugas> or maybe i'm not reading stuff correctly and there is another catch to the whole thing 21:36:22 <Prof_Frink> Belugas: Eat DaleStan's brain. 21:36:38 <Prof_Frink> Then you will understand GRF 21:37:05 <Belugas> naaa... 21:37:26 <Belugas> i'm sure he needs his brain ;) 21:38:04 <Wolf01> maybe you can lick him like the poison frogs 21:38:13 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB511C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai] 21:38:15 <Wolf01> (simpsons) 21:39:13 <Belugas> problem, tough, is that i want to add a variable, and i stumble in this problem.... which number it should be? obviously, it should be A1, but... 21:39:21 <glx> Belugas: all 80+X in action7/9/D are the same as X in spritegroup GetVariable() 21:40:18 <Rubidium> Belugas: just write specs and then file a bugreport for TTDP not following the specs ;) 21:40:37 <Wolf01> 'night 21:40:43 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host240-239-dynamic.15-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 21:41:29 <Belugas> ho... 21:41:37 <Belugas> so... 21:43:22 <Belugas> good night 21:43:24 <Belugas> bye 21:43:46 * Prof_Frink really thinks openttd should move away from grf as a primary format 21:45:04 *** G_ [~njones@202-154-146-188.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:45:17 <Prof_Frink> Hmm, kopete's failing with MSN 21:46:56 *** |Bastiaan| [~kvirc@ip87-205-173-82.adsl2.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 21:47:03 <Rubidium> Prof_Frink: then write something that is a) better, b) more powerfull, c) backward compatible with grfs 21:47:22 *** G [~njones@202-154-146-188.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #openttd 21:47:51 <Prof_Frink> Rubidium: That's your job. 21:47:59 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: miham * r11288 /trunk/src/lang/ (10 files): (log message trimmed) 21:47:59 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2007-10-17 23:47:06 21:47:59 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: bulgarian - 47 fixed by thetitan (47) 21:47:59 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: catalan - 46 fixed by arnaullv (46) 21:47:59 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: dutch - 46 fixed by habell (46) 21:48:01 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: french - 46 fixed by glx (46) 21:48:01 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: hungarian - 28 fixed by miham (28) 21:48:24 <Rubidium> then it's never going to happen ;) 21:48:28 <Prof_Frink> I'm the end-user. I think of annoying features and find irritating bugs, you implement and fix them. 21:48:39 <Prof_Frink> :p 21:49:14 <Ammler> and you sponsor Rubidium to doing it :P 21:50:16 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-111-234.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [Quit: bbl] 21:52:23 <SpComb> http://tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=565752#p565752 <-- you obviously want (dun dun dun) XDA 21:52:30 <Phazorx> Prof_Frink: did you send a case of beer tyo Rubi it? 21:52:33 <SpComb> (just to bring back some old memories) 21:52:50 <Phazorx> s/it/yet/ 21:53:14 <Rubidium> Phazorx: as if that would help in any way 21:53:25 <Phazorx> Rubidium: usualy helps me :) 21:54:28 <Rubidium> SpComb: so one binary format for another binary format? 21:55:10 <Rubidium> cause XDA is just another binary format just like GRF is 21:55:13 <SpComb> Rubidium: it's more generic! It's even got eXtensible in it's name! 21:56:02 <Rubidium> DaleStan: can we rename NewGRF to XGRF? Just so it is more generic? 21:56:27 <SpComb> best to run that by the OpenTTD marketing department first 21:56:38 <Prof_Frink> Oi! orudge! 21:56:53 <Prof_Frink> Nope, no complaints from Marketing. 21:57:19 *** Zr40 [~zr40@2001:960:786:0:21b:63ff:fe9e:ab24] has quit [Quit: Zr40] 22:00:57 *** Klanticus [~Klanticus@201-92-82-140.dsl.telesp.net.br] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:04:12 *** KouDy [~KouDy@85.207.64.178] has quit [Quit: Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com] 22:05:45 *** KouDy [user@85.207.64.178] has joined #openttd 22:06:02 *** KouDy [user@85.207.64.178] has quit [] 22:08:27 *** Jhs [~chatzilla@ti231210a340-3110.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 22:08:32 <Jhs> hi 22:08:34 <Jhs> is MiHaMiX here? 22:08:44 <Jhs> or anyone else involved with localisation 22:08:52 <TrueBrain> why? 22:09:27 <Jhs> i have some questions 22:09:32 <TrueBrain> ask, who knows 22:10:00 <Jhs> well, in the global statistics page it says that my language (Norwegian BokmÃ¥l) has 54 'bad' strings 22:10:18 <Jhs> but when i go to language menu » fix, it only gives ten strings in need of fixing 22:10:26 <TrueBrain> they are pending 22:10:28 <Jhs> so where are the other 44? 22:10:31 <TrueBrain> next commit that will be fixed 22:10:47 <TrueBrain> (language commit) 22:11:24 <Jhs> hmm 22:12:38 <Jhs> when i go to languages menu » manage, it also says that 54 strings are missing. when i press "show", the ten strings i just fixed are pending waiting to be committed, but the other strings only say "Needs to be fixed soon.". and they were all added in r11269 by Rubidum 22:13:00 <glx> Jhs: press next and previous in fix page 22:13:10 <Jhs> no next 22:13:15 <Jhs> previous only leads to the same page i'm on 22:14:09 <Jhs> oh, all the other 44 messages are STR_FACE_ messages 22:14:17 <Jhs> which i assume is a new feature 22:14:29 <glx> it is 22:14:38 *** boekabart [~boekabart@81.58.27.138] has joined #openttd 22:14:47 *** boekabart [~boekabart@81.58.27.138] has left #openttd [] 22:20:55 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:21:14 *** Roujin [~Roujin@mnch-4d049528.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:23:24 <Jhs> glx / TrueBrain, i also have some more questions 22:23:29 <Jhs> for example, about gender support 22:23:35 <Jhs> it needs to be turned on for norwegian 22:23:41 <Jhs> some of the newspaper headlines are f00ked 22:25:04 <Jhs> And, i need to know which messages are used for the industry names where. (names of industry types (e.g. Factory, Farm, Iron Ore Mine) should not be capitalized in headlines or in names (like Oslo Factory, should be Oslo fabrikk in norwegian)). but i don't know which messages to change to fix that 22:25:06 <glx> I don't know how to do that 22:25:10 <dihedral> TrueBrain: :-) 22:26:12 <dihedral> did you see fs? 22:27:55 <TrueBrain> did you? 22:28:33 <Eddi|zuHause3> I'd say introduce a grammar case "normal" and a case "capital" 22:28:53 <Eddi|zuHause3> then decide on that which one to print 22:29:19 <Eddi|zuHause3> there should be an explanation on cases somewhere 22:30:08 <SpComb> Whitehat Greyhat Blackh#at Asshat 22:31:21 <Prof_Frink> SpComb: I liked that comment 22:33:48 <Ailure> http://194.47.44.201/simplistic.png 22:33:49 <Ailure> :) 22:34:03 <Ailure> I like replacing the title screen 22:34:19 <Ailure> only one vehicle, and it's a bus entering and leaving the screen 22:35:06 <dihedral> TrueBrain: that would have been the flipping Dev-C++ editor... 22:35:09 <dihedral> i'll fix that 22:35:34 <TrueBrain> Ailure: I would like a patch that rotates the intro games :) 22:36:03 <Jhs> Eddi|zuHause3, ah, good idea. i always assumed cases were about grammatical cases, but that might just as well be one use of them 22:36:31 <Prof_Frink> TrueBrain: Or, randomly pan the intro view around the world 22:36:48 <TrueBrain> Prof_Frink: bad idea, intro games are most of the time only good from one position on the map 22:36:56 <TrueBrain> I think that is a good thing 22:37:03 <TrueBrain> anyway, goodnight 22:38:58 <Ailure> [00:33] <TrueBrain> Ailure: I would like a patch that rotates the intro games :) 22:38:59 <Ailure> me too 22:39:06 <Ailure> hell I was considering to program that into 22:39:16 <Ailure> but I was too busy with two heavy courses and forgot about it 22:39:35 <Ailure> [00:34] <Prof_Frink> TrueBrain: Or, randomly pan the intro view around the world 22:39:35 <Ailure> [00:35] <TrueBrain> Prof_Frink: bad idea, intro games are most of the time only good from one position on the map 22:39:40 <Ailure> it worked for rollercoaster tcyoon 22:39:54 <Ailure> although it works better for real games that "titlescreen games" 22:40:21 <Ailure> titlescreen savegames have dead ends and stuff, and is rarely functioning 22:40:36 <Ailure> most of the offical titlescreens are overkill 22:40:40 <Ailure> the TTO, TTD and openTTD one 22:40:48 <Ailure> trying to squeeze lots of features into one place :P 22:40:56 <Ailure> instead of going for something gentle heh 22:41:30 *** gfldex_ [~dex@dslb-084-058-035-236.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 22:42:11 *** AntB [~AntB-UK@81.140.93.84] has joined #openttd 22:44:01 <Eddi|zuHause3> i think the most loaded one was in the TT Demo, but my memory might be blurry 22:45:37 <Ailure> I have a picture of that one somewhere 22:45:57 <Ailure> as 22:46:01 <Ailure> http://194.47.44.201/openTTD/oldTT.PNG 22:46:04 <Ailure> that one 22:46:08 <Ailure> oldest demo I belive 22:46:25 <Ailure> buggy too 22:46:26 <Ailure> xD 22:46:33 <Ailure> it's possible to scroll in the titlescreen on that demo 22:46:39 <Ailure> and you don't need to go far 22:46:43 <Ailure> to notice that there are deadends 22:46:44 <Eddi|zuHause3> hm, no, that wasn't the one i meant 22:47:36 <Ailure> I can take a screenshot of the TTO one 22:47:44 <Ailure> non-demo, tha tis 22:47:50 *** gfldex [~dex@dslb-084-058-054-227.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:47:58 <Eddi|zuHause3> is that the one with the long suspension bridge? 22:48:07 <TrueBrain> Ailure: strange monorail bridge there... 22:48:09 <Eddi|zuHause3> or was that from world editor expansion? 22:48:31 <Ailure> yeah, TTO had weird monorail bridges 22:48:34 <Eddi|zuHause3> TrueBrain: why? it was like that in TT 22:48:38 <Ailure> dosen't look too bad over short distances 22:48:44 <TrueBrain> I like them :) 22:48:44 <Ailure> but over long idstances it looked dumb 22:48:46 <TrueBrain> we should have them! 22:48:48 <Eddi|zuHause3> i liked that bridge 22:48:58 <TrueBrain> max-allowed-length :) 22:49:03 <Ailure> heh 22:49:08 <Ailure> I would like to see a similar bridge 22:49:15 <Prof_Frink> Eddi|zuHause3: seconded 22:49:15 <Ailure> as long there's suport every other tile or so 22:49:21 <Ailure> so it dosen't look as ridicolus as in that screenshot 22:49:32 <Prof_Frink> nooo 22:49:52 <Ailure> it would mean that bridge would only have two supports in the middle 22:49:55 <Ailure> wouldn't look too bad 22:49:57 <Prof_Frink> monorails are futuristic 22:50:06 <Eddi|zuHause3> placing pillars shouldn't be difficult, with newbridges 22:50:14 <Prof_Frink> they're made of carbon nanotubes 22:50:40 <Eddi|zuHause3> but that brings back an old question of mine 22:50:47 <Ailure> heh 22:50:50 <Ailure> nanotechnology 22:50:59 <Eddi|zuHause3> how do i convince ottd to have the transrapid run on monorail instead of maglev? 22:51:02 <Ailure> we already have that today technically 22:51:18 <Ailure> ah yeah 22:51:25 <Ailure> openTTD simple dosen't have unified maglev 22:51:28 <Ailure> unlike ttdpatch 22:51:34 <Ailure> so you would have to change the GRF to use monorails 22:51:47 <Ailure> or add unified maglev to ottd 22:53:10 <Prof_Frink> Or create a human-readable format and port dbxl to that 22:53:27 <Eddi|zuHause3> http://www.tt-ms.de/downloads/ttodemo105126.gif <- i think this was the demo i meant 22:54:00 <Eddi|zuHause3> doesn't MB's license forbid decompiling? 22:54:29 <TrueBrain> can you make a nice archive page of those screenshots? I like it ;) 22:54:34 <TrueBrain> but okay, I was going to bed... 22:54:38 <TrueBrain> once again: night 22:55:02 <Prof_Frink> Eddi|zuHause3: Well, you write a converter and ask him nicely 22:55:23 *** dihedral [~dihedral@dslb-084-056-240-237.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.7/2007091417]] 23:00:27 <Eddi|zuHause3> Prof_Frink: well, you come up with a decent spec, and a plan to build a jit-compiler into grf, then we can talk about a converter 23:01:26 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C058.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Progman] 23:01:27 *** Greyscale [~Greyscale@host86-131-34-109.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:02:46 <Ailure> [00:51] <Eddi|zuHause3> http://www.tt-ms.de/downloads/ttodemo105126.gif <- i think this was the demo i meant 23:02:52 <Ailure> ah yes I seen that titlescreen before 23:02:59 <Ailure> makes me wonder how many diffrent titlescreens there are 23:03:20 <Ailure> seems to be a slightly more recent demo too 23:03:32 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has joined #openttd 23:03:44 <Ammler> this bridge is in newbridges, imo 23:04:14 <Eddi|zuHause3> i've never had monorail with newbridges 23:04:32 <Eddi|zuHause3> (because of the afore mentioned problem) 23:05:02 <Ammler> we used it here: http://openttdcoop.ppcis.org/wiki/index.php/PublicServer:Archive_-_Games_61_-_70#gameid_64 23:06:02 <Ammler> oh no, its in the monorail replacement 23:06:39 *** mikl [~mikl@gw.imtnet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:07:43 *** Greyscale [~Greyscale@host86-131-34-109.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 23:13:39 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:18:43 *** Jhs [~chatzilla@ti231210a340-3110.bb.online.no] has quit [Quit: zzzzzzzzzzzz] 23:21:41 * Sacro wants to play TTO 23:21:55 <Sacro> OpenTTO! 23:22:28 <fjb> Hm, you could replace the maglev sprites with monorail sprites. 23:23:26 <Ailure> TTOPatch 23:23:28 <Ailure> *ducks* 23:23:57 <Sacro> Ailure: wrong channel 23:25:19 <Sacro> yay, TTO! 23:27:09 <SmatZ> there is a TTO newgrf replacement... http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=22069 23:27:31 <Sacro> yes but it doesn't replace everything 23:27:35 <SmatZ> yes :( 23:27:41 <SmatZ> I miss the farms 23:27:54 <SmatZ> and the design of windows 23:27:57 <Ammler> http://img1.myimg.de/BellsandWhistles13thMaea2dd.png 23:28:14 <Greyscale> bed now. SNORE 23:28:17 *** Greyscale [~Greyscale@host86-131-34-109.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:28:48 <Sacro> eugh 23:28:54 <Sacro> crappy horrible building style 23:28:57 <Sacro> haet haet haet 23:29:04 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:29:10 <SmatZ> why? 23:29:22 <Sacro> the Stanier 'Crab' is too slow :( 23:29:27 <Sacro> SmatZ: so unrealistic 23:30:03 <SmatZ> are you talking about Ammler's screenshot? 23:31:16 <Ammler> sacro, I don't care about your opinion about buidling style, just like to show the bridges 23:31:41 <Sacro> ooh yes 23:32:41 <Ammler> yes? 23:33:02 <Sacro> monorail bridges 23:33:53 <SmatZ> I like them 23:34:22 <Ammler> but not the same as TTO, I realized. 23:37:02 <SmatZ> almost the same... 23:39:39 *** alex^^ [~email@78-86-117-217.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: ircN 8.00 for mIRC (20070730)] 23:45:45 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: truelight * r11289 /branches/noai/ (5 files in 2 dirs): [NoAI] -Add [FS#1346]: added AIVehicle::Is(Stopped)InDepot() (dihedral) 23:50:15 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-129-139.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:52:36 <Eddi|zuHause3> that picture has a lot of alignment and colour issues with the monorail 23:55:54 <_Ben_> looks nice, but the white/grey amount on the rail varies greatly on bridges 23:56:10 *** Amix^ [~AmiXoamip@cm-84.208.143.45.chello.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:57:08 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:57:29 *** Amix^ [~AmiXoamip@cm-84.208.143.45.chello.no] has joined #openttd 23:59:46 <Eddi|zuHause3> hm, i'm getting weird jams where there's no reason for them...