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00:08:00 <Ailure> hmm 00:08:17 <Ailure> are bricks usually transported by air? 00:08:19 <Ailure> :) 00:08:35 <Ailure> I'm so considering to transport goods by air, expect the goods is from a brickworks 00:08:36 <Ailure> hmm 00:09:44 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 00:11:34 <SmatZ> aircrafts have very low cargo capacity :-/ 00:12:55 <Ailure> not with goods :P 00:13:07 <Ailure> they usually have a somewhat decent capacity with goods 00:13:50 <SmatZ> aha 00:22:43 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:31:00 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-29-41.adslplus.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:34:08 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@xdsl-81-173-255-229.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 00:36:37 *** fjb [~frank@Wa651.w.pppool.de] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 3.2.0 'Realia'] 00:59:53 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-164-186.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:00:44 *** gfldex_ is now known as gfldex 01:09:49 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-151-014.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 01:20:17 *** Deathmaker [~Miranda@dslb-082-083-180-093.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:24:32 <DaleStan> <Rubidium> DaleStan: can we rename NewGRF to XGRF? Just so it is more generic? <-- My sarcasm detector is failing to register. Please tell me you just broke it, and a new one is on its way. 01:25:14 <DaleStan> <Belugas> problem, though, is that i want to add variable ... A1, but... <-- What new information are you trying to provide? 01:31:19 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B748D2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:37:48 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B74DA2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:44:23 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@xdsl-81-173-234-33.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 01:46:58 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-164-234.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 02:05:56 *** AntB [~AntB-UK@81.140.93.84] has quit [Quit: *poof!* I am gone -=- Using ChatZilla] 02:09:16 *** Ihmemies [ihmemies@a88-113-24-180.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Quit: Signed off] 02:12:20 *** BigBB [~BigBB@p5B040A1F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:13:36 *** BigBB [~BigBB@p5B042402.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 02:16:08 *** Nia-Teppelin [Aoi@c-76-105-147-18.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 02:16:56 <Nia-Teppelin> So uh, Sorry for just bustinin here and asking a question.. 02:17:04 <Nia-Teppelin> Is there a way to bring AI into multiplay games? 02:19:22 *** Amix^ [~AmiXoamip@cm-84.208.143.45.chello.no] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:19:30 *** Belugas_Gone [~jfranc@ip-125.47.99.216.dsl-cust.ca.inter.net] has joined #openttd 02:19:55 <Belugas_Gone> 04:25:14 < DaleStan> <Belugas> problem, though, is that i want to add variable ... A1, but... <-- What new information are you trying to provide? 02:20:06 <Belugas_Gone> Dalestan : the version of OTTD 02:20:25 <DaleStan> Is it possible to do that in a single flat number? 02:20:47 <DaleStan> Or are you just doing "version" and not "revision"? 02:21:25 <Belugas_Gone> sorry... 02:21:29 <Belugas_Gone> yes, revision too 02:21:41 <Belugas_Gone> i have the scheme somewhere... 02:21:44 <Belugas_Gone> give me a minute 02:23:54 <Belugas_Gone> ok got it 02:23:54 <Belugas_Gone> The NewGRF revision of OTTD: 02:23:54 <Belugas_Gone> bits meaning. 02:23:54 <Belugas_Gone> 28-31 major version 02:23:54 <Belugas_Gone> 24-27 minor version 02:23:55 <Belugas_Gone> 20-23 build 02:23:55 <Belugas_Gone> 19 1 if it is a release, 0 if it is not. 02:23:57 <Belugas_Gone> 0-18 revision number; 0 for releases and when the revision is unknown. 02:24:33 <Belugas_Gone> on our side, it willbe something like 02:24:40 <Belugas_Gone> _openttd_newgrf_version = 0 << 28 | 6 << 24 | 0 << 20 | 0 << 19 | @@REVISION@@ & ((1 << 19) - 1); 02:25:26 <Belugas_Gone> it is in fact the specs Rubidium wrote, but it has not yet been implemented 02:26:40 <Belugas_Gone> the pendant of var 8B, in fact 02:27:35 <DaleStan> How do you determine whether you're looking at a build of newgrf_ports, which supports Newairports, or trunk, which does not? 02:29:40 <DaleStan> Or is that the job of some other test? 02:29:44 <Belugas_Gone> i'm not totally convinced branches should be taken into account regarding that 02:30:01 <Belugas_Gone> no other test planned, from what i recall 02:30:30 <Belugas_Gone> anyway, the idea of a branch is to be merged to trunk one day or the other 02:32:37 <Belugas_Gone> but i guess 1 or 2 of the 19 bits of revision number could be used to indicate a branch, if ever it is required, which is not a bad idea, after thoughs 02:32:52 <Belugas_Gone> as to indicate which branch... 02:43:12 <DaleStan> As I see it, the version number is only useful if it can be used to determine the support for the vast majority of @FEATURES, and preferably all. If newairports and trunk use the same range, then this becomes rather difficult, unless some other test is available. Of course, Patch would probably always report either 0 or -1 for A1. 02:44:14 <DaleStan> So the exact implementation in Open is more a matter of making it useful to GRF coders, not Patch coders. 02:46:20 <Belugas_Gone> indeed. Unless a new feature that Ottd brough up (not the case already, but it might be) would be implemented in Patch, as it is the case right now (but the other way around) 02:46:34 <Belugas_Gone> so this is why i was checking for a free variable spot, 02:46:55 <Belugas_Gone> and got a bit... mixed up :) 02:47:14 *** Nia-Teppelin [Aoi@c-76-105-147-18.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:51:12 <Belugas_Gone> got to sleep 02:51:14 <Belugas_Gone> good night 02:51:20 <Belugas_Gone> and until tomorrow 02:51:26 *** Belugas_Gone [~jfranc@ip-125.47.99.216.dsl-cust.ca.inter.net] has quit [Quit: How about sleeping? 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No, it can not. 08:36:32 <dihedral|work> it could be used to maintain a black / white list based on other data 08:36:40 <dihedral|work> :-) 08:36:51 <TrueBrain> nevertheless, it doesn't need to, to do what you want 08:36:57 <TrueBrain> but that is all in the future anyway 08:37:07 <dihedral|work> so squirrel processing time is actually openttd processing time 08:37:20 <TrueBrain> of course, as it is part of OpenTTD 08:37:32 <dihedral|work> that is why i asked about the threads :-) 08:38:02 <TrueBrain> but AIs run in threads, but they are serial threads, not parallel 08:38:11 <dihedral|work> right 08:38:33 <dihedral|work> that means, as long as the nut script is running, openttd cannot? 08:38:41 <TrueBrain> exactly 08:39:25 <dihedral|work> hmmm... 08:39:39 <dihedral|work> so if one builds some hungy nut script... openttd will lag? 08:39:55 <TrueBrain> yes 08:40:00 <TrueBrain> for AIs for sure 08:40:15 <dihedral|work> so an ai needs to run in it's own openttd instance? 08:40:33 <TrueBrain> not instance 08:41:10 <dihedral|work> but i could not play 'with' the ai in one game 08:41:35 <TrueBrain> ? 08:41:53 <dihedral|work> say i start openttd, load a nut script so i have a specific ai 08:42:06 <dihedral|work> could i play in that same game? 08:42:15 <TrueBrain> of course you can 08:42:24 <dihedral|work> or, as the nut script is threaded serially and not parallel 08:42:28 <TrueBrain> you can even start up to 7 AIs at the same time 08:42:39 * dihedral|work is confused 08:42:46 <dihedral|work> i dont get it 08:42:55 <dihedral|work> if it's serial threading 08:43:02 <TrueBrain> why would you think a serial thread would block till the end of execution of a thing as a script 08:43:10 <dihedral|work> then i would have to wait for the ai to do it's 'thing' 08:43:16 <TrueBrain> you think it would be useful to put something in a thread, that keeps running till the end of its live from the start? 08:43:23 <TrueBrain> sounds like a good waste of serial thrading :) 08:44:00 <TrueBrain> now consider the simple solution, where the serial thread gives back its control every time a command is issued outside the thread 08:44:17 <TrueBrain> basicly, every DoCommand 'pauses' the serial thread for a moment 08:44:28 <TrueBrain> giving back control to the main thread 08:44:43 <dihedral|work> but that could have influence on the length of a tick, no? 08:44:48 <TrueBrain> so unless you make long long for loops calculating things, openttd won't lag 08:45:02 <dihedral|work> ah 08:45:24 <TrueBrain> the only way to increase the length of a tick, is to make scripts work longer than.. say on an average game the gamelogic takes 10ms, you have say 7 AIs, so that is: 08:45:27 <TrueBrain> @calc 23 / 7 08:45:28 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: 3.28571428571 08:45:34 <TrueBrain> They have to work longer than 3.2ms 08:45:37 <dihedral|work> would it be spossible to 'also' give squirrel the ability to do parallel threading? 08:46:02 <TrueBrain> technicly, of course, but it won't be done for OpenTTD in the longest time I hope 08:46:20 <dihedral|work> i mean - support both, for 2 different purposes 08:46:31 <TrueBrain> not going to happen, is my best guess 08:46:39 <dihedral|work> shame :-) 08:46:57 <TrueBrain> well, simple reason: parallel threads will be limited to.. what... 1 API function 08:46:59 <TrueBrain> which would be.. STOP 08:47:09 <dihedral|work> ... 08:47:13 <dihedral|work> let me rephrase that 08:47:33 <dihedral|work> the 2 different purposes being, ai and console :-) 08:47:48 <dihedral|work> so when at some point squirrel becomes the console language 08:48:01 <dihedral|work> when writing a nut script, choose wether parallel or serial 08:48:09 <dihedral|work> (for the console that would be) 08:48:19 <TrueBrain> what I said above goes for any SQ piece where-ever and when-ever in the code 08:48:31 <dihedral|work> k 08:48:35 <TrueBrain> parallel threading won't happen in OpenTTD any time soon 08:48:46 <TrueBrain> even the TGP status thingy isn't parallel 08:48:52 * dihedral|work was not thinking of "soon" :-P 08:48:59 <dihedral|work> TGP? 08:49:06 <TrueBrain> if I say any time soon, I mean like in the next 3 years :p 08:49:10 <TrueBrain> landscape generator 08:49:13 <dihedral|work> lol 08:50:38 <TrueBrain> dihedral|work: OpenTTD is NOT thread-safe, in any way 08:50:46 <dihedral|work> ok 08:50:47 <TrueBrain> therefor, you can't have 2 things doing things in the game at the same time 08:50:52 <TrueBrain> console does things in the game 08:50:56 <dihedral|work> right 08:50:57 <dihedral|work> yes 08:50:58 <TrueBrain> cases race-conditions 08:50:59 <TrueBrain> bad 08:51:04 <TrueBrain> so: won't happen 08:51:07 <dihedral|work> :-P 08:51:12 * dihedral|work understands that 08:51:15 <TrueBrain> the only way to make OpenTTD thread safe, is a long long long long long long long long 08:51:20 <TrueBrain> did I say: long long already? 08:51:21 <TrueBrain> road 08:51:36 <dihedral|work> you forgot to mention how long it would be... 08:51:39 <dihedral|work> :-P 08:51:58 <TrueBrain> best way of approach would be microthreads, but that requires making classes of all code, and no class can write directly into an other class 08:52:11 <TrueBrain> (so 1 class would be: _map, with tons of accessors (which we in fact already have)) 08:59:48 *** Gekz [~gekko@CPE-58-168-17-156.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 3.2.6 Anomalies http://www.kvirc.net/] 09:01:23 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-62-167-27-84.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 09:09:43 *** Roujin [HydraIRC@c119.tum.vpn.lrz-muenchen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:14:38 *** Elweel [die@vpn018089.uni-rostock.de] has joined #openttd 09:15:26 *** Elweel [die@vpn018089.uni-rostock.de] has quit [] 09:17:45 <gfldex> i was looking for a game that is challenging, fun to play in a team and doesnt take more then one hour per day 09:18:10 <TrueBrain> you found it! :) 09:18:14 <gfldex> all i came up with was VGAPlanets, what we used to play about 15 years ago over BBS 09:18:21 <gfldex> i feel old :( 09:18:27 <TrueBrain> bzflags!!! :) 09:18:45 <Ammler> worms 09:18:51 <TrueBrain> OpenTTD! 09:19:00 <gfldex> takes more then 1 hour per day 09:19:08 <gfldex> and you cant really play it in a team yet 09:19:13 <TrueBrain> depends.. if you puase after an hour :) 09:19:20 <TrueBrain> sure you can! 09:19:34 <gfldex> can you share money and stuff? 09:19:41 <TrueBrain> you can join 1 company 09:19:54 <Ammler> we do that all the time at #openttdcoop 09:20:10 <gfldex> and do you stop after 1 hour? 09:20:19 <TrueBrain> you can pause and continue later, sure, why not 09:20:27 <Ammler> sometimes after half an hour 09:20:52 <Ammler> but others might play forward then... 09:20:55 <TrueBrain> but okay, there are more ideal games for team-to-team :p 09:20:58 <TrueBrain> Quake! 09:20:59 <TrueBrain> DOOM! 09:21:01 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 09:21:04 <Ammler> omg 09:21:05 <gfldex> takes all to long 09:21:20 <TrueBrain> Quake? Long? Lol :p 09:21:27 <TrueBrain> my average match length if 10 minutes :p 09:22:01 <TrueBrain> and in my case also: EVE: Online 09:22:06 <TrueBrain> can't play that game for more than an hour 09:22:08 <TrueBrain> makes my eyes pop 09:22:18 <TrueBrain> (because of the boring factor) 09:22:20 <gfldex> i used to play 16 hours in one go at lan parties 09:22:34 <TrueBrain> sure, if you like you can play as long as you want 09:22:35 <gfldex> quake does for sure take more then one hour 09:22:42 <TrueBrain> but then all games don't fit your description 09:22:48 <gfldex> the point is that i want to force myself to play less 09:22:52 <TrueBrain> as you can always play them for a long long time 09:23:00 <TrueBrain> set a power-interupter on your PC 09:23:10 <Ammler> gfldex: then you should look for worst game 09:23:16 <gfldex> and VGAPlanets got a tern every 2nd day so there was simply no reason to play more :) 09:23:21 <Ammler> you are wrong here then... 09:23:25 <gfldex> :( 09:23:35 <TrueBrain> go play chess via email 09:24:06 <dihedral|work> nice idea 09:24:55 * dihedral|work sends A2 => C3 to TrueBrain 09:25:04 <hylje> chess over irc 09:25:13 <gfldex> i got so depressed that i started to reimplement VGAPlanets 09:25:37 <gfldex> now i code 10 hours a day and still waste a lot time 09:25:39 * dihedral|work might have confused where numbers and chars are located on a chess board 09:25:45 <dihedral|work> http://www.chesscentral.com/chess_rule/pix/chess_board_blank.gif 09:26:15 * dihedral|work corrects is last statement, to b1 => c3 09:26:15 *** Ailure [Ailure@194.47.44.201] has joined #openttd 09:26:19 *** elmex [~elmex@e180064127.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 09:26:21 <Ailure> bah stupid IRC client 09:26:30 <Ailure> and oh yeah, just wanted to mention something funny before going to bed 09:26:59 <Ailure> Gotta love how the same keyboard command can differ alot between games 09:27:04 <TrueBrain> d7=>d6 09:27:13 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B8121B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:27:18 <Ailure> Ctrl+S is screenshot in openTTD 09:27:19 *** Kolbur [die@vpn018089.uni-rostock.de] has joined #openttd 09:27:23 <Ailure> but save game in Simcity4 09:27:34 <Ailure> I nearly ruined a Simcity4 savegame that way 09:27:35 <Ailure> D: 09:27:36 <gfldex> you got a lot screenshots, right? 09:27:42 <Ailure> no 09:27:44 <Ailure> the other way around 09:27:50 <Ailure> I saved when I thought I was taking a screenshot 09:27:51 <TrueBrain> Ailure: don't play simcity, problem solved :) 09:28:06 <Ailure> but Simcity 4: Rush hour is addicting 09:28:11 <TrueBrain> or ask simcity if they can give a warning when an OpenTTD users plays SimCity, on CTRL+S keypress 09:28:24 <dihedral|work> desync when giving Kommer's train 9 a goto order http://pub.dihedral.de/openttd/FPN/autosave6.sav 09:28:26 <gfldex> so you wanted to keep nice pics of that fat disaster? 09:28:59 <dihedral|work> fixes when selling loc and rebuying it 09:29:26 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B811A8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 09:29:28 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 09:32:02 *** Brandinger [ano@c-134-72-44.b.dial.de.ignite.net] has joined #openttd 09:32:43 <Brandinger> hi 09:33:01 <TrueBrain> hi Brandinger 09:33:14 <Brandinger> i've got a little question 09:33:20 <TrueBrain> oh-oh 09:33:23 <Brandinger> :) 09:33:48 <Brandinger> ...considering the funtionality of the transfer-button when giving orders to vehicels 09:35:47 <Brandinger> i connected 2 cities for passernger transfer. when i just gave normal goto-orders without any load/unload/transfer he took as much people from one destination and the other way. i got the money and the people walked away. 09:36:48 <Brandinger> then i changed the order to transfer (german "Umladen und beladen"). he throuh everybody out of the train, i got the money but the people stayed at the station 09:37:31 <Brandinger> after some time i got 3000 people waiting at the station because they did not wanted to finish their journey :) 09:37:45 <TrueBrain> transfer in general does that exactly that: move things from one station to the other, but do not unload them 09:37:52 <TrueBrain> useful if you want to bring them even futher 09:38:13 <Brandinger> but i got the money for the transportation 09:38:21 <TrueBrain> then don't transfer them 09:38:25 <TrueBrain> see the wiki-page 09:38:42 <Brandinger> yeah thats what i did not understood ^^ 09:39:06 <Eddi|zuHause2> Brandinger: if you use transfer, you do not get any money, just an estimation how much money you would get if you unloaded them there 09:39:09 <TrueBrain> transfer means: pick up at A, bring to B but don't get money (transfer). Someone else picks up at B, brings them to C (non-transfer), and everyone gets money 09:39:30 <Eddi|zuHause2> that's why the money is not green 09:39:44 <Brandinger> ah ok 09:40:34 <dihedral|work> Bandinger "umladen" != "ausladen" 09:41:10 <Brandinger> k :) 09:43:00 <Brandinger> one more question :) how did the trick work to make two different stations one with space in between? 09:44:01 <Brandinger> to make one station with train and airport that are not touching directly 09:44:09 <Brandinger> for example 09:44:13 <gfldex> you make one big station with a connection 09:44:27 <gfldex> and then remove the connection with the bulldoze icon thingy 09:44:35 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387CB83.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 09:44:48 <gfldex> like you would remove a signal without touching the track 09:46:14 <Brandinger> ok, thanks alot :) 09:46:23 <Brandinger> i think that will help 09:47:14 <Eddi|zuHause2> pay attention, bulldozing a train station tile removes the entire station 09:47:31 <Eddi|zuHause2> actually, that's the dynamite 09:47:49 <Brandinger> yep so i would use bus-stations for build the connection, right? 09:47:53 <Eddi|zuHause2> early morning... 09:48:02 <gfldex> you can but you dont have to 09:48:21 <gfldex> if you use the single tile paint thingy to drag stations across your screen 09:48:27 <gfldex> you can just start to paint away 09:48:35 <gfldex> and then remove the bits you dont like 09:48:46 <Eddi|zuHause2> you can do that, but hitting the "build station" button, and then the "bulldozer" button on the right (like you do with rails) should also work 09:49:08 <gfldex> isnt there a wiki page with screenshots and all? 09:51:50 * Brandinger found this http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Join_train_stations 09:53:11 <Brandinger> alright, thx again and byebye :) 09:53:53 *** Brandinger [ano@c-134-72-44.b.dial.de.ignite.net] has quit [Quit: Brandinger] 10:06:39 <dihedral|work> TrueBrain: would there be any outlook on the possiblility tcp or udp rcon patckets that will not require one to be a client to the game? 10:12:05 <TrueBrain> depends if someone programs it :p 10:13:40 *** prakti [~prakti@port-213-148-152-8.static.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 10:14:09 *** RamboRonny [magic.powe@90-230-201-111-no37.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 10:21:20 <dihedral|work> well - just adding packet types for udp should be simple enough 10:21:38 <TrueBrain> use tcp 10:21:51 <dihedral|work> do i not need a handshake for tcp? 10:22:28 <TrueBrain> tcp handshakes the OS takes care of for you :p 10:22:36 *** Kolbur [die@vpn018089.uni-rostock.de] has left #openttd [] 10:22:37 <dihedral|work> uh - good 10:22:50 <TrueBrain> but it should be telnet alike 10:22:56 <TrueBrain> udp is too insecure for something like this 10:25:59 *** FlowaPowa [~Flowa@4va54-4-82-244-103-144.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 10:26:00 <dihedral|work> k 10:26:06 *** FlowaPowa [~Flowa@4va54-4-82-244-103-144.fbx.proxad.net] has left #openttd [] 10:26:07 <dihedral|work> i'll see what i can do ;-) 10:27:17 <gfldex> if you leave your lan and enter the wild ocean that is the internet you will have to deal with 3% packet loss all the time 10:27:36 <gfldex> if you got asymetric lines with load it can get a lot higher 10:28:48 <dihedral|work> yes, aint all that nice :-) 10:29:00 <dihedral|work> i hate lost packets 10:32:18 <gfldex> i finally found a font i like :) http://www.dafont.com/hard-talk.font 10:37:47 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 10:38:41 <dihedral|work> hello 10:42:42 <dihedral|work> clients on my nightly are desyncing a lot when giving train orders to new trains... 10:43:06 <dihedral|work> 'a lot' meaning when train orders are being given it may occure :-) 10:46:02 *** Klanticus [~Klanticus@201-68-14-137.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #openttd 10:47:55 *** boekabar1 [~boekabart@81.58.27.138] has joined #openttd 10:52:21 <dihedral|work> TrueBrain: would that rcon tcp connection need to be to another port? 10:52:34 <dihedral|work> or would a 'packet type' be sufficient to dertermin that 10:52:43 *** boekabar1 is now known as boekabart 10:52:51 * dihedral|work greets boekabart 10:52:51 *** boekabart [~boekabart@81.58.27.138] has left #openttd [] 10:52:59 <dihedral|work> just in time :-P 10:57:09 <TrueBrain> dihedral|work: other port, of course 10:57:27 <TrueBrain> rcon should be text-based 10:57:28 <TrueBrain> not binary 10:58:39 <dihedral|work> k 10:59:28 <dihedral|work> another question, just to help me understand... 10:59:39 <dihedral|work> other games tend to use udp for their rcon protocol 10:59:54 <dihedral|work> why then use tcp - i mean - there must be a reason why they use udp... 10:59:59 <TrueBrain> lol! 11:00:04 <TrueBrain> I know zero games who do 11:00:08 <dihedral|work> hl2 11:00:10 <dihedral|work> hl 11:00:11 <TrueBrain> uses TCP 11:00:29 <dihedral|work> and why on earth do you find _UDP_ web interfaces to the rcon 11:00:43 <dihedral|work> q3 uses udp also 11:00:46 <TrueBrain> hl uses udp for gaming 11:00:48 <TrueBrain> for querying 11:00:52 <TrueBrain> but server control is tcp 11:01:20 <TrueBrain> (as you can do it via telnet too) 11:01:59 <dihedral|work> k 11:03:32 <dihedral|work> thanks TrueBrain 11:04:55 <TrueBrain> dihedral|work: you use UDP if it doesn't matter if the other end receives your packet 11:04:58 <TrueBrain> you use TCP when it does matter 11:05:01 <TrueBrain> Rcon -> does matter 11:05:06 <TrueBrain> OpenTTD Game Logic -> does matter 11:05:12 <TrueBrain> HL Game Logic -> doesn't matter 11:05:31 <TrueBrain> (in HL you don't care if you miss 1 update package of a persons position) 11:06:09 <dihedral|work> k 11:06:15 <dihedral|work> yes - does make sense :-) 11:12:19 <gfldex> q3 handles the packet lost "by hand" 11:12:36 <gfldex> so they reimplement the handshake/resend semantics of tcp 11:23:53 <dihedral|work> ah 11:26:15 *** shodan [user@xerxes.foocode.net] has joined #openttd 11:28:41 *** Kilinich [~kilinich@194.154.66.187] has joined #openttd 11:30:13 <Kilinich> hi, is here someone who try write OpenTTD AI ? 11:30:25 <TrueBrain> search wiki for NoAI 11:30:37 <Kilinich> already did -) 11:30:41 <dihedral|work> : 11:31:13 <Kilinich> and realize that no AIRail clall in framework 11:31:20 <Kilinich> class 11:31:30 <TrueBrain> dihedral|work: didn't I told you? :) 11:31:40 <dihedral|work> tell me what? 11:31:46 <TrueBrain> Kilinich: first try to make a good AI in Road, then come back to us about Rail 11:31:53 <dihedral|work> :-) 11:32:47 <dihedral|work> true 11:32:56 <dihedral|work> dont start with the most complicated :-P 11:32:59 <Kilinich> what isn't related things. ok. 11:33:18 <dihedral|work> ? 11:33:51 <Kilinich> imagine that I did it. and then come back... -) so... 11:34:07 <Kilinich> let's talk about rail 11:34:20 <TrueBrain> someone still needs to code it 11:34:46 <TrueBrain> but because there is little enthoisasme in building roadAIs for example, my spirit of doing so is a bit low lately ;) 11:35:18 <dihedral|work> TrueBrain: is there AI API stuff for ships? 11:35:27 <TrueBrain> yes 11:35:29 <TrueBrain> ai_marine 11:35:32 <Kilinich> what is the problem with class AIRail ? why AIRoad done and it isn't? 11:35:39 <TrueBrain> road was easier 11:35:43 <dihedral|work> :-) 11:36:00 <dihedral|work> for ships, can i find out if a ship can atall get from dock A to dock B? 11:36:01 <TrueBrain> so show me a good RoadAI, and I make Rails for you :) 11:36:09 <TrueBrain> dihedral|work: no 11:36:17 <TrueBrain> no pathfinding in API yet, for any class 11:36:25 <dihedral|work> ok 11:36:38 <dihedral|work> would that be a lot of work to implement? 11:36:44 <Kilinich> I don't ask for pathfinding i wan builr rails -) 11:36:52 <TrueBrain> base already is there for PFs, so no 11:36:57 <dihedral|work> Kilinich: I am asking about ships 11:36:59 <TrueBrain> Kilinich: I was tlaking to dihedral|work :) 11:37:18 <TrueBrain> Anyway, Kilinich, make me a good RoadAI, I make you Rail support, and I am pretty serious :) 11:37:45 <dihedral|work> that means, post the road ai somewhere so it can be tested :-) 11:38:13 <dihedral|work> perhaps start a new thread in tt-forums to get others more enthusiastic about it too 11:40:00 <dihedral|work> are there some sort of 'nightly' builds for the noai branch? 11:40:07 <TrueBrain> of course 11:40:14 <TrueBrain> http://nightly.openttd.org/noai/scoreboard.php 11:40:17 <TrueBrain> see NoAI thread 11:40:32 <dihedral|work> i just dont have the options to build on windows 11:40:42 <dihedral|work> and - dont like the thought of it either 11:41:07 <Kilinich> i start my IA already, trying some stuff, i think week-two and i can show it. 11:41:09 <TrueBrain> for all our branches we always supply binaries 11:41:17 <Kilinich> IA -AI -) 11:41:18 <TrueBrain> Kilinich: would be awesome :) 11:41:35 <Rubidium> Kilinich: there were also a lot of people who said they were going to make a road AI when it would be possible. As far as I remember there are still no road AIs, which made us a little hesistant to add more effort for something that nobody was going to use. 11:41:43 <Kilinich> joking yea -) 11:42:40 <dihedral|work> the only thing i could think of would be to use the ai on a multiplayer from my client... 11:42:42 <Kilinich> i know 11:42:53 <dihedral|work> to start the company making some cash before i then take over :-P 11:42:55 <TrueBrain> dihedral|work: it is possible to battle AIs against eachother :) 11:43:01 <dihedral|work> nice 11:43:17 <dihedral|work> is the ai aware of patch settings/ 11:43:18 <dihedral|work> ? 11:43:27 <TrueBrain> net yet 11:43:39 <dihedral|work> that might be a good thing too 11:43:45 <TrueBrain> yup 11:43:49 <TrueBrain> create it :) 11:43:55 <dihedral|work> :-P 11:43:59 <dihedral|work> add it to the todo list 11:44:00 <dihedral|work> :-D 11:44:07 <Eddi|zuHause2> rewrite the difficulty settings if you're at it ;) 11:44:14 <dihedral|work> nope 11:44:16 <dihedral|work> 2 different things 11:45:11 <Kilinich> TrueBrain: that criteria of good Road ai? is there example of what is done? 11:45:15 <dihedral|work> but making the ai aware of intrest rates, subsity multiplyer, breakdowns, 90degree turns for trains, etc could be very important 11:45:29 <TrueBrain> Kilinich: nope 11:46:10 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 11:46:11 <Kilinich> making some profit easy, hard to do something compare to people 11:46:34 <Eddi|zuHause2> dihedral|work: yeah, but so is "allow turning in stations" 11:46:38 <TrueBrain> Kilinich: let's say, it can survive for 10 years :) 11:46:46 <Kilinich> lanscaping is free am i right? 11:46:54 <TrueBrain> you are wrong 11:46:55 <TrueBrain> that is OldAI 11:46:57 <Eddi|zuHause2> and accessing difficlty settings is probably difficult 11:46:58 <TrueBrain> NoAI is a fair AI 11:46:59 <TrueBrain> no cheats 11:47:05 <TrueBrain> it can only do what real players do 11:47:15 <Eddi|zuHause2> i mean more difficult than patch settings 11:47:43 *** mikl [~mikl@gw.imtnet.dk] has joined #openttd 11:47:58 <Kilinich> TrueBrain, have you ICQ? 11:48:09 <TrueBrain> nope, but I do have IRC! 11:48:19 <Eddi|zuHause2> really? 11:48:24 * SpComb has bitlbee 11:48:24 <Eddi|zuHause2> can i have that, too? 11:48:30 <Kilinich> and you are always here? 11:48:39 <TrueBrain> always.. hmm.. yes :p 11:48:53 <Kilinich> sorry -0) 11:49:18 <TrueBrain> nothing to be sorry about :p 11:49:38 <SpComb> I don't have an ICQ account, but I'm on MSN whenever my IRC client is up, which it has been for 173 days now 11:50:43 <Kilinich> TrueBrain: what common advice for road AI you have? 11:50:51 <TrueBrain> make it good :) 11:50:58 <Kilinich> 10x 11:51:04 <TrueBrain> read some good AI documentation 11:51:22 <Kilinich> wiki? 11:51:33 <TrueBrain> I myself am pretty bad in AIs :p 11:52:08 <Kilinich> I myself a good AI -) 11:52:33 <Kilinich> so I just clone it 11:52:59 <Kilinich> and translate to squirrel 11:54:08 <TrueBrain> squirrel is almost equal to C++, so if you know that, you should be fone 11:57:47 *** Kilinich [~kilinich@194.154.66.187] has quit [] 12:01:48 *** KUDr [KUDr@mazanec1.netbox.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:07:36 *** nfc [~nfc@dsl-hkibrasgw2-ff6ec300-105.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 12:08:20 <dihedral|work> http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/WWOTTDGD1 12:09:53 <dihedral|work> TrueBrain: can you pin the wwottdgd thread in the OpenTTD General Forum 12:10:19 <Eddi|zuHause2> i finally think i got this station entrance right: www.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/Ravenswald%20Transport,%2020.%20Okt%201947.png 12:17:33 *** G [~njones@202-154-146-188.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 12:18:26 <Ammler> Eddi|zuHause2: diagonal foundations needed :P 12:18:45 <Eddi|zuHause2> Ammler: yeah, that would be nice sometimes 12:19:30 <Eddi|zuHause2> also, diagonal bridges and CBR, because those tunnels are unrealistic 12:19:38 <Ammler> it also looks like typical PBS 12:20:05 <Ammler> CBR? 12:20:50 <Eddi|zuHause2> Custom Bridge Heads 12:20:50 <Ammler> Eddi|zuHause2: try BKTunnels, would look better, I think... 12:21:29 <Eddi|zuHause2> to place signals or crossings on bridge heads 12:21:39 <Eddi|zuHause2> not just a straigt rail 12:22:11 *** Klanticus [~Klanticus@201-68-14-137.dsl.telesp.net.br] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:22:17 <Eddi|zuHause2> the previous attempt was stopped, because the signal part was not possible with the current system 12:23:23 <Eddi|zuHause2> well, PBS would be nice, but it works without 12:23:41 <Eddi|zuHause2> i'd only have half the problems with PBS 12:24:40 <Ammler> Eddi|zuHause2: http://openttdcoop.ppcis.org/wiki/index.php/Ttdpatch#Saves_.2F_Screens 12:26:03 <Eddi|zuHause2> Ammler: i don't really like those 12:26:13 <Ammler> tunnels? 12:26:20 <Ammler> thats not BK 12:26:39 <Ammler> those aren't allowed to use in OTTD 12:26:43 <Eddi|zuHause2> i know 12:26:55 <Eddi|zuHause2> but also they lack a drawing of the rail basement 12:28:16 <Eddi|zuHause2> hm, something is wrong with the freight overview of trains... 12:28:38 <Eddi|zuHause2> "-0 Tonnen Getreide (252 Getreide) (x4)" 12:29:16 <Ammler> I asked Osakar to use them in OTTD too, he told, BK Tunnels looks much better, I should use them 12:31:49 *** smoovi [smoovi@e178192004.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 12:35:35 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F985.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:38:18 *** smoovi [smoovi@e178192004.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: #idlerpg] 12:42:50 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-164-234.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: ThePizzaKing] 12:46:20 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 12:46:20 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:56:04 *** Priski- [priski@xob.kapsi.fi] has joined #openttd 12:56:05 *** Priski [priski@xob.kapsi.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:56:12 *** Priski- is now known as Priski 12:57:09 <dihedral|work> anybody here that does grf stuff? 12:57:13 <dihedral|work> *who 12:58:11 *** Greyscale [~Greyscale@90.240.89.167] has joined #openttd 12:59:12 <dihedral|work> or some sprite stuff? 13:01:47 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387CB83.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 13:02:21 <dihedral|work> we are looking for a grf for #wwottdgd 13:02:31 <dihedral|work> it will also be included in the #openttdcoop grf pack 13:03:06 *** Sriikki [~tomi.noro@dsl-lprgw5-fe5adc00-230.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 13:12:08 *** Dephenom [~paul@80.175.234.185] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:12:29 *** Dephenom [~paul@80.175.234.185] has joined #openttd 13:13:03 *** mikl [~mikl@gw.imtnet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:14:00 *** mikl [~mikl@gw.imtnet.dk] has joined #openttd 13:23:56 <dihedral|work> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=34514 13:28:02 <dihedral|work> TrueBrain: can you pin some threads for me? 13:28:11 <dihedral|work> s/me/us/ 13:28:15 <dihedral|work> us as in #wwottdgd 13:43:49 <Purno> anyone here who knows some stuff about cpanel coincidentally? 13:49:35 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@xdsl-81-173-249-253.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 13:55:55 *** KUDr [KUDr@mazanec1.netbox.cz] has joined #openttd 14:00:34 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-62-167-27-84.adslplus.ch] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 14:23:38 *** frosch123 [~mtce@pascal.math.tu-clausthal.de] has joined #openttd 14:24:32 *** shodan [user@xerxes.foocode.net] has quit [Quit: Client Exiting] 14:24:42 <dihedral|work> @seen Wolf01 14:24:42 <DorpsGek> dihedral|work: Wolf01 was last seen in #openttd 16 hours, 44 minutes, and 4 seconds ago: <Wolf01> 'night 14:24:59 <dihedral|work> anybody up to http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=34514 14:26:59 <Sacro> dihedral|work: i'll spam it in #tycoon 14:27:10 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-62-167-27-84.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 14:27:13 <dihedral|work> promisse? 14:41:13 *** KouDy [~KouDy@85.207.64.178] has joined #openttd 14:42:06 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:43:57 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has joined #openttd 14:58:29 * dihedral|work is looking for TrueBrain 15:15:49 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B748D2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 15:21:42 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-109-253.fttx.bbned.nl] has joined #openttd 15:24:43 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B755D7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:27:46 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B755D7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 15:37:11 *** PIP [PIP@84.52.175.74] has joined #openttd 15:37:14 <PIP> hello 15:37:23 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has joined #openttd 15:37:26 <PIP> just a quick question 8love the game though) 15:37:28 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B76964.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:37:36 <PIP> is it possible to destroy a city owned crossroad? 15:37:36 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B76964.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:37:41 <PIP> it's basicly a roundabout 15:37:54 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B76964.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:38:08 <dihedral|work> yes 15:38:16 <dihedral|work> you need the coorect rating in that town 15:38:34 <dihedral|work> there is also a patch setting 15:38:39 <PIP> doesn't help even if i have outstanding 15:38:44 <dihedral|work> remove more town owned blah 15:38:52 <dihedral|work> what does it say 15:39:22 *** Arpad58 [~Gali@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:39:23 <dihedral|work> you get a message if something does not work what you are trying to do 15:40:19 <Greyscale> going home now. BYe 15:40:21 <PIP> um 15:40:22 *** Greyscale [~Greyscale@90.240.89.167] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:40:41 <PIP> Can't clear this Area. local Authoroty refuses to allow this. 15:41:29 <PIP> http://shrani.si/f/2B/5X/Vy9JdDa/ttd.jpg 15:42:47 *** Arpad58 [~Gali@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 15:42:58 <dihedral|work> patch setting 15:43:09 <dihedral|work> remove more towned owned something 15:43:23 <PIP> yeah 15:43:25 <PIP> tried it 15:43:26 <PIP> works 15:43:29 <PIP> thanks a lot :) 15:43:32 <PIP> cya 15:43:39 *** PIP [PIP@84.52.175.74] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 3.81 :: www.XLhost.de )] 15:43:45 <SmatZ> hello 15:47:14 <dihedral|work> hi 15:52:05 * dihedral|work needs a gfx'er 15:58:44 *** _42_ [truelight@81.171.98.110] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:59:00 <dihedral|work> uh 16:03:16 *** dihedral|work is now known as dihedral|away 16:05:14 *** Belugas [belugas@81.171.98.110] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:05:28 *** TrueBrain [truelight@81.171.98.110] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:07:20 *** pPACO_BAN [PACO@CPE0011d8690c25-CM001225db7ae8.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #openttd 16:08:06 *** TrueBrain [~truelight@81.171.98.110] has joined #openttd 16:08:24 *** DorpsGek [truelight@81.171.98.110] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:11:55 *** Tefad_ [~tefad@c-71-63-10-8.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 16:12:16 *** izhirahi1er [~izhirahid@squareroot.divisionbyzero.net] has joined #openttd 16:12:19 *** Netsplit synthon.oftc.net <-> xenon.oftc.net quits: Phazorx, Tefad, izhirahider 16:12:48 *** DorpsGek [truelight@81.171.98.110] has joined #openttd 16:12:50 *** mode/#openttd [+o DorpsGek] by ChanServ 16:12:53 *** _42_ [~DorpsGek@81.171.98.110] has joined #openttd 16:16:13 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-109-253.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [Quit: brb, testing] 16:16:41 *** Arpad58 [~Gali@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:18:16 *** Maedhros [~jc@host86-136-161-69.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 16:18:18 *** Arpad58 [~Gali@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 16:18:40 *** Belugas [~belugas@81.171.98.110] has joined #openttd 16:18:47 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 16:20:27 <Ammler> Problems with webpage / SVN Server ? 16:22:00 *** pPACO_BAN [PACO@CPE0011d8690c25-CM001225db7ae8.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:22:43 *** Ammller [~Ammler@adsl-62-167-27-84.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 16:23:03 *** _42_ [~DorpsGek@81.171.98.110] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:24:05 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A43614.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:24:20 *** _42_ [~DorpsGek@81.171.98.110] has joined #openttd 16:24:39 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-62-167-27-84.adslplus.ch] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:29:54 *** Roujin [~Roujin@mnch-4d0484e3.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 16:33:18 *** _42_ [~DorpsGek@81.171.98.110] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:37:33 *** TrueBrain [~truelight@81.171.98.110] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:37:44 *** Belugas [~belugas@81.171.98.110] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:42:57 *** frosch123 [~mtce@pascal.math.tu-clausthal.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:44:32 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host240-239-dynamic.15-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 16:44:44 <Wolf01> hello 16:45:03 <SmatZ> hi 16:45:57 *** dihedral [~dihedral@dslb-084-057-228-157.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 16:48:02 <dihedral> desyncs while someone is 'generating' faces for his company profile?? 16:49:13 *** DorpsGek [truelight@81.171.98.110] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:49:38 <SmatZ> hmm great, bugs.openntd.org is out of order for commiting bugs 16:50:43 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has joined #openttd 16:53:05 <SmatZ> dihedral yeah 16:53:14 <SmatZ> it should use interactive_random 16:53:21 <Ammller> Rubidium: same assert now on an other server, if you like to take a look :) 16:54:17 <SmatZ> Ammller: yes 16:54:33 <SmatZ> I have problems too :-( 16:54:45 * dihedral is still looking for someone to do some grf work for #wwottdgd 16:54:52 <Ammller> omg 16:55:23 <Ammller> your are all so poor guys. 16:55:28 <Ammller> brb 16:55:30 *** Ammller [~Ammler@adsl-62-167-27-84.adslplus.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:55:53 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-62-167-27-84.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 16:58:14 <Ammler> something is broken with opentt.org dns, isn't? 16:59:10 <dihedral> it's there for me 16:59:30 <dihedral> where on earth is TB? 17:00:00 *** _42_ [truelight@81.171.98.110] has joined #openttd 17:00:06 <dihedral> :-) 17:00:11 <dihedral> at least that is a start 17:00:13 <Ammler> hmm, now, seems ok 17:02:11 * dihedral is waiting for TrueBrain to follow _42_ 17:02:28 <SmatZ> yesyesyes works now 17:02:30 <SmatZ> at last 17:02:39 <SmatZ> amd64 bin # ./openttd 17:02:43 <SmatZ> is not working for me :-/ 17:02:52 <SmatZ> somwthing wrong at my side... 17:03:13 <SmatZ> maybe the hdd is on its last trip today 17:03:27 <dihedral> put it in the freezer 17:03:31 <Ammler> Rubidium: bt of coop.dev: http://paste.openttd.org/255 17:03:33 <dihedral> preserve it 17:04:35 <SmatZ> dihedral hopefully I do not have any important data there... maybe I will just do dd if=/dev/hda1 of=/backup bs=512 ... 17:04:57 <SmatZ> it is a small partition with system 17:05:32 <dihedral> heh 17:05:39 <dihedral> i have had trouble with dd in the past 17:05:48 <dihedral> esp when dd'ing back from the image 17:05:56 <dihedral> to a hdd that did not have the same geomety 17:05:57 <SmatZ> yes 17:06:06 <SmatZ> dd skips bad sectors 17:06:23 <dihedral> what else should it do... 17:06:23 <SmatZ> so... the backup is useless 17:06:43 <SmatZ> I expected it to write some data instead of skipping the block 17:07:09 <SmatZ> because that way, the sector numbers won't match those before backup 17:07:36 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 17:09:33 <ln-> he was running openttd as root and no one said anything? 17:09:42 *** mucht_work [~martin@143.50.125.77] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 17:10:21 <Ammler> dihedral: what does ResetGRFConfig(false) do in your patch? 17:14:07 <dihedral> let me look at that for a sec 17:14:28 <dihedral> ln-: who was? 17:16:03 <ln-> SmatZ 17:16:13 <dihedral> ouch 17:16:20 <dihedral> that is a very clever thing to do... 17:16:36 <Maedhros> Ammler: that backtrace is next to useless... 17:16:58 <Ammler> ok, 17:17:10 <Ammler> its just meant be a 1. look 17:17:28 <Ammler> Rubidum did take a longer look yesterday on that 17:17:43 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 17:18:14 <Maedhros> ok 17:18:44 <Ammler> Maedhros: not sure, do you know something about that? 17:18:51 <Ammler> do you like to habe a look on it? 17:19:02 <dihedral> Ammler: makes sure the grf config is loaded 17:19:13 <Ammler> !s/habe/have/ 17:19:43 <Ammler> dihedral, would that open possibility to load new GRF during a game? 17:19:45 *** MarkSlap [~me@h64n1c1o1114.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #openttd 17:20:03 <Ammler> so you don't have to do it local? 17:20:24 <dihedral> hmmm 17:21:05 *** Markkisen [~shit@h64n1c1o1114.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #openttd 17:26:33 *** Belugas [belugas@81.171.98.110] has joined #openttd 17:26:44 * dihedral greets Belugas 17:26:48 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 17:26:56 * Belugas waves 17:27:00 <Wolf01> hello Belugas :D 17:27:07 <dihedral> Wolf01: 17:27:26 <dihedral> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=34514 <--- intereste?? 17:27:52 <Belugas> hello Wolf01 :) 17:28:40 *** Purno_ [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 17:29:12 <Rubidium> Ammler: you're not talking about the server I had a ssh connection to yesterday, right? 17:29:45 <Ammler> no, its one from coop 17:30:08 <Rubidium> so not a server I've "played" with 17:30:10 *** Greyscale [~Greyscale@host86-131-34-109.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 17:30:14 <Ammler> but I could add you key there too, if if would help... 17:30:21 <Ammler> nope :) 17:30:27 <Ammler> that server still runs 17:31:18 <Wolf01> dihedral: eh... i'll never draw it in time :P i'm taking soo long to draw a stupid road, and it's easy to do, think about celebration things like banners or something else 17:32:20 <Rubidium> Ammler: nah, I think I know what caused the assert 17:32:30 <Wolf01> you might want something like this :P http://www.segnalidivita.com/fotodelgiorno/natale.jpg 17:32:50 <dihedral> no... that is too mucyh 17:33:03 <dihedral> just need a little color 17:33:52 <Wolf01> i was thinking about drawing a band on the road which replaces the roadworks 17:34:10 <Ammler> Rubidium: you mean you have fixed "my" server, that why it doesn't assert anymore? 17:34:34 <Rubidium> it at least looks like it 17:35:24 <Ammler> is that already in trunk? 17:35:32 <Rubidium> no 17:35:38 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:35:41 <Ammler> or should I make a patch and make it in dev server too? 17:35:48 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has joined #openttd 17:38:55 *** Greyscale [~Greyscale@host86-131-34-109.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:40:36 <Ammler> hmm, you "just" changed the assert... 17:41:33 *** Fluidicspace [~Fluidicsp@dsl-217-155-200-157.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 17:41:49 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i5387CB83.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 17:42:43 <ln-> SmatZ: why are you running openttd as root? 17:43:11 *** Grey [~Greyscale@host86-131-41-165.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 17:43:13 <Ammler> wow, thats brave 17:43:18 <Ammler> (or stupid?) 17:43:22 <SmatZ> ln-: why do you think so? 17:43:23 *** mode/#openttd [+v _42_] by Belugas 17:43:38 <ln-> 20:02 < SmatZ> amd64 bin # ./openttd 17:44:14 <SmatZ> well, you may customize your shell, too... 17:44:33 <ln-> ... but that's not the case here, is it. 17:45:19 *** Wolf01 is now known as Wolf01|AWAY 17:45:24 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: rubidium * r11290 /trunk/src/network/core/packet.cpp: -Fix: obiwan in the assertion that checked for overflows when writing a packet, causing still correctly sized packets to cause assertions. 17:45:45 <SmatZ> well, I couldn't run it, and I couldn't run it even as a root 17:46:33 <SmatZ> !openttd commit 11289 17:46:38 <SmatZ> !help 17:46:41 <_42_> Commit by truelight :: r11289 /branches/noai/ (5 files in 2 dirs) (2007-10-17 23:45:22 UTC) 17:46:43 <_42_> [NoAI] -Add [FS#1346]: added AIVehicle::Is(Stopped)InDepot() (dihedral) 17:46:53 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387CB83.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:47:14 <dihedral> Wolf01|AWAY: if you feel like doing the work for us, we would much appreciate it 17:48:11 <SmatZ> hmm seems I polluted FS with 1347-1349 while it was offline... if anyone can delete 1347,1348, do so 17:49:45 * Belugas likes removing FS entries 17:50:33 <glx> done 17:50:55 <SmatZ> thanks 17:50:59 <Belugas> lol 17:51:07 <Belugas> I lost the race :D 17:51:14 <Belugas> glx was faster 17:51:20 <SmatZ> I thought about actual removing, not just closing, but ok :) 17:51:28 <Ammler> does delete equal fixing? 17:52:34 *** Phazorx [PACO@CPE0011d8690c25-CM001225db7ae8.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #openttd 17:53:24 <Belugas> Ammler, not always, it depends on each case 17:53:39 <Ammler> :) 17:54:19 *** Sriikki [~tomi.noro@dsl-lprgw5-fe5adc00-230.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 17:55:29 <Phazorx> brr... my tcp driver just went awol... 17:55:51 <Phazorx> Ammler: invite me to where ever i am supposed to be plz 17:56:26 <Ammler> hmm? 17:56:45 <Phazorx> channel i mean 17:56:59 *** FlowaPowa [~Flowa@4va54-4-82-244-103-144.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 17:57:03 *** FlowaPowa [~Flowa@4va54-4-82-244-103-144.fbx.proxad.net] has left #openttd [] 17:57:38 <Ammler> #wwottdgd? 17:57:53 <Phazorx> since i was missing i dont know if it has been asked here yet - is it possible to stop random tree planting with grf, or has to be a code change? 17:57:57 <Phazorx> Ammler: the other one 17:58:47 <Ammler> #wwottdgd.admin 17:59:33 <Belugas> Phazorx, i REALLY doubt you can stop random tree planting with grf right now 17:59:45 <Belugas> unless you write it ;) 18:00:07 <Phazorx> Belugas: so a patch would be nice 18:00:21 <Phazorx> err... not nice - the only option 18:02:05 <SmatZ> it would be nice if you were so fast with commiting patches from FS, as you were with closing FS#1347,1348 :-x 18:02:35 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F985.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:06:13 *** Wolf01|AWAY is now known as Wolf01 18:07:17 <Eddi|zuHause> stopping tree growth is probably a matter of adding an if() to a function call 18:07:54 <Eddi|zuHause> and adding a patch setting is not more than a few lines either 18:10:07 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-109-253.fttx.bbned.nl] has joined #openttd 18:11:36 <huma> damn, this city is growing too fast :) 18:11:52 <huma> 11243 18:12:05 <SmatZ> what city? 18:12:35 <huma> kollumenvorden :) 18:13:17 <huma> maybe funding new buildings and roads was a mistake :) 18:13:55 <SmatZ> maybe you are in a wrong channel 18:14:23 <Phazorx> Eddi|zuHause: yes, should nto be any hard if you know what you are doign :) 18:15:06 <dihedral> back 18:16:19 <dihedral> Wolf01: so... was that a yes or a not? 18:16:31 <Wolf01> i think is a no 18:16:34 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:16:49 <dihedral> you dont have to answer right away :-P 18:17:02 * dihedral goes to hunt for another gfx'er 18:17:10 <dihedral> HELP.... 18:17:19 <dihedral> :'( 18:17:30 <Belugas> [14:09] <Eddi|zuHause> stopping tree growth is probably a matter of adding an if() to a function call <---nice :) another volunteer :D 18:18:08 <Wolf01> at least... if you want i might draw the sprites, but you must code them by yourself, because i really don't know how to make grfs :P 18:19:07 <Phazorx> Eddi|zuHause: feel like making a patch like that? 18:20:36 <dihedral> Wolf01: that already would be great 18:20:52 <Eddi|zuHause> no, i don't have that kind of time to spend right now 18:21:00 <dihedral> as Ammler said that if i made the sprites he could code the grf, and i really dont know how to do the sprites :-) 18:21:24 <dihedral> leaving aside the fact that i suck at design / images 18:21:45 <Wolf01> supply me the source images and i'll try what i can do, i'll tell you in a day or two if i can do it 18:23:31 <dihedral> i dont have a 'source image'... 18:24:09 <dihedral> but if you can get hold of the town lanterns (which must be somewhere) :-) 18:24:26 <Belugas> Phazorx, if you wan to do it by grf, yu might face a big problem : there is no spec (that i know of) who can control stuff like trees behaviour 18:24:36 <Belugas> you'll end up creating ne yourself :) 18:24:38 <Phazorx> Belugas: patch is much better 18:24:44 <Wolf01> http://i.pbase.com/t6/62/511062/4/78964810.SbRCky16.jpg ? 18:24:49 <Phazorx> this is for #wwottdgd we are gonna have own buuild anwyay 18:24:51 <Belugas> i hate adding patches :( 18:24:57 <Belugas> grf is so cool for that... 18:25:25 <dihedral> yes - Wolf01 - that is a lantern 18:28:31 <Ammler> no tree patch: http://paste.openttd.org/256 18:28:34 <Ammler> :) 18:29:27 <Eddi|zuHause> Ammler: i fear that will stop grass grow, too 18:30:18 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A6E49.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:30:22 <skidd13> hi 18:30:26 <Phazorx> Eddi|zuHause: fine with that 18:30:53 <Eddi|zuHause> i'd rather try http://paste.openttd.org/257 18:32:10 <Eddi|zuHause> Phazorx: i wouldn't like to play on a map that is all dirty 18:32:28 *** Jezral [~projectjj@users.kollegienet.dk] has joined #openttd 18:32:55 <Phazorx> Eddi|zuHause: no one stops you from pretting it up 18:33:54 <huma> can i change one route order for all vehicles in depot? 18:34:25 *** Dephenom [~paul@80.175.234.185] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:34:58 <huma> like one station suddenly stopped accepting food and now i need to redirect them to another one 18:35:03 *** Dephenom [~paul@80.175.234.185] has joined #openttd 18:35:38 <Eddi|zuHause> hm, my version does not affect tree planting 18:36:10 <huma> and this is happening in the downtown of 13 million city 18:36:20 <huma> apparently they've had enough 18:36:43 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@users.kollegienet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:37:09 <Eddi|zuHause> huma: office buildings don't accept food 18:37:15 <Eddi|zuHause> only living houses 18:38:18 <Eddi|zuHause> i suggest dropping off food at the main station (transfer), and distributing them by trucks to the suburbs 18:39:54 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50c79a03.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 18:39:55 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 18:40:06 <ln-> a ...! 18:40:12 <Ammler> eddi, runned may patch now for 100 years, no trees, but grass growing 18:41:31 <Eddi|zuHause> Ammler: yeah, i think yours will work 18:41:45 <Eddi|zuHause> only don't play a tropic game :p 18:43:12 <Ammler> Rubidium: I'll update the dev server on coop now, should work with current nightly 18:47:18 <Bjarni> I see that Markkisen is back 18:47:23 <Markkisen> No 18:47:24 <Markkisen> :o 18:47:33 <Markkisen> It's an illusion 18:47:43 <Bjarni> Markkisen: do you know the story about a guy who joined this channel while he was high? 18:47:45 *** MarkSlap is now known as MarkMc 18:47:49 <Markkisen> Nope 18:47:53 *** Markkisen is now known as MarkSlap 18:49:18 <Bjarni> well... from his point of view he decided to try some drugs of some kind for the first time ever and the next thing he remembers is waking up the next day. Then he is contacted (by email or IRC... I don't know) asking if it's true that he said that (name of person contacting him) is a drug addict and party animal 18:49:23 <Bjarni> in this channel 18:49:43 <Bjarni> he couldn't remember ever being in this channel so he joined 18:50:05 <Bjarni> and everybody knew about his personal issues and problems with his sister and stuff 18:50:38 <Bjarni> and he went like "oh god, did I really tell about all of that to a bunch of strangers in a channel that I had never been in before?" 18:50:43 *** AntB [~AntB-UK@host81-151-111-8.range81-151.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 18:50:46 <Bjarni> yes he did :P 18:50:49 <huma> Eddi|zuHause: thanks 18:51:24 <Bjarni> funny thing is that we have his real name and location so we can get to him if we like :P 18:51:37 <Eddi|zuHause> huma: problem with transfer, you need to time your trucks so food does not pile up at the station, it will kill your profit 18:51:39 <Bjarni> that is what drugs do to you 18:52:20 <huma> yes, i try to balance it 18:52:21 <MarkMc> What kind of drugs? 18:52:30 <Bjarni> like I would remember that 18:52:34 <MarkMc> :P 18:52:41 <Bjarni> if I really cared I could look it up 18:52:42 <dihedral> and why are you so interested 18:52:46 <MarkMc> Like cannabis would fuck you up that much 18:52:48 <Bjarni> but it's drugs... that's all that you need to know 18:52:50 <MarkMc> Nice 18:53:15 <MarkMc> Yes, it would be nice if you looked that up 18:53:15 <MarkMc> :) 18:54:01 <Bjarni> dihedral: I banned Markkisen last night for proclaiming that he had drugs and something else 18:54:09 <Bjarni> basically the drugs thing was enough 18:54:12 <MarkMc> :> 18:54:32 <huma> i think i'm addicted to green tea :) 18:54:34 <Bjarni> btw did you write your (fake) real name while you were high? 18:54:49 <MarkMc> What? 18:55:15 <Bjarni> come on 18:55:22 <Bjarni> like you are really named "Hestporr M. Lingonsylt" 18:55:26 <MarkMc> Ah 18:55:27 <MarkMc> :D 18:55:42 <MarkMc> That's a internal joke between me and a friend of mine 18:56:05 <Bjarni> not to mention that your other client's real name is "Mjew Fucker" 18:56:12 <MarkMc> :> 18:56:26 <MarkMc> I don't like to have my real name in stuff on my computer, thats all 18:56:26 <Bjarni> you have to be high to get ideas like that 18:56:29 <MarkMc> No 18:56:40 * dihedral needs a grf... 18:56:53 <skidd13> dihedral: hmmpf 18:56:55 <MarkMc> All that I came up with when I didn't even had tried drugs 18:57:03 <dihedral> :-) 18:57:14 <dihedral> hmmpf what? 18:57:39 * AntB is trying to work on the celebratory GRF gfx 18:57:41 <Bjarni> so you went "oh nobody can tell the difference if I do drugs so I might as well do them"? 18:57:56 <MarkMc> No 18:58:02 <MarkMc> Have I said that? 18:58:06 <Bjarni> no 18:58:10 <MarkMc> Exactly 18:58:11 <MarkMc> :) 18:58:18 <MarkMc> You see 18:58:25 <Bjarni> you are just giving away a personal profile 18:58:26 <MarkMc> I only do cannabis 18:58:31 <Bjarni> so I assumed 18:58:40 * dihedral pats AntB on the back :-) 18:58:44 <MarkMc> That don't fuck you up so badly so you dont rembember anything 18:58:53 * AntB is stuck at the first hurdle... 18:58:57 <Bjarni> but it's still really bad for you 18:59:03 <MarkMc> Shoot 18:59:10 <MarkMc> I have a deathwish, so who cares? 18:59:12 <MarkMc> :) 18:59:24 * Bjarni notes never to drive with MarkMc 18:59:42 <MarkMc> I don't drink alcohol though, THAT's bad for you 18:59:44 <MarkMc> Haha 19:00:12 <Bjarni> you know you don't have to select alcohol or drugs... it's not like you have to use one of them 19:00:20 <MarkMc> No, of course not :) 19:00:32 <skidd13> dihedral: Damned work. I have to do some extra work. One presentation and one advertising CD for the company I'm working (deadline tomorrow 12.00). I'd have done something ;) 19:00:36 <AntB> lol, at least you know what you getting with alcohol 19:00:43 <MarkMc> No 19:01:02 <MarkMc> Bjarni, you banned me for having acid at home 19:01:13 <MarkMc> And theres a song namned "Hardstyle and Acid" 19:01:17 <Belugas> [15:02] <@Bjarni> you know you don't have to select alcohol or drugs... it's not like you have to use one of them <-- both! Both!!!! 19:01:21 <Bjarni> MarkMc: did you know that smoking cannabis will make your sperm more or less barren for a week? 19:01:21 <MarkMc> :D 19:01:40 <Bjarni> oh right 19:01:47 <Bjarni> it was hardstyle stuff 19:01:53 <Belugas> i don't mind, i have my kid! 19:01:54 <AntB> Is there any limits to drawing lanturn sprites? 19:02:01 <MarkMc> Bjarni, barren = you can get laid without have a child? 19:02:05 <Belugas> who cares what my sperm looks like :S 19:02:29 <skidd13> Can we please stop this discussion! It's a IRC about OpenTTD and not a drug helpline. 19:02:32 <MarkMc> :D 19:02:39 *** Fluidicspace [~Fluidicsp@dsl-217-155-200-157.zen.co.uk] has quit [] 19:02:44 <dihedral> lo 19:02:46 <dihedral> l 19:02:50 <Belugas> sniff sniff sniff 19:02:53 <dihedral> i wonder why he left 19:03:04 * Belugas was just sad, not sniffing ;) 19:03:09 <AntB> lol 19:03:41 <Bjarni> Belugas: good... you know... I ban people who do drugs or talk about benefits of drugs ;) 19:03:57 <MarkMc> But what is barren? 19:03:58 <MarkMc> :o 19:04:38 *** huma [~huma@89.19.167.191] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:04:56 <MarkMc> Oh 19:04:57 <MarkMc> Nice 19:05:03 <Eddi|zuHause> Bjarni: did i tell you that the mushrooms were great? 19:05:14 <MarkMc> Haha 19:05:15 <MarkMc> :D 19:05:23 <Bjarni> somehow I think you are pulling my leg :P 19:05:43 <Belugas> i did drugs, in my pre-marital life. Does it count? 19:05:55 <Bjarni> sort of 19:05:59 * hylje pulls Bjarni's leg 19:06:09 <MarkMc> Psilocybe semilanceata? 19:06:10 <MarkMc> :) 19:06:14 * Bjarni sort of sets mode +b *!Belugas@* 19:06:22 <MarkMc> :D 19:07:14 *** G [~njones@202.154.150.116] has joined #openttd 19:07:25 <MarkMc> Cool nick 19:07:42 <MarkMc> But it kinda reminds me of "Ali G" and thats gay 19:07:43 <MarkMc> :D 19:07:45 <Bjarni> it's short and to the point 19:07:52 <MarkMc> Exactly 19:08:06 <Bjarni> except if it were really to the point, it would be P 19:08:06 <Belugas> too bad it's not J 19:08:08 <Belugas> J point 19:08:10 <Belugas> lolo 19:08:21 <MarkMc> Bjarni, do you want to know the best thing with me? 19:08:21 <MarkMc> :D 19:08:33 <Bjarni> that sounds really scarey 19:08:36 <Bjarni> -e 19:08:45 <MarkMc> I'm 15 19:08:45 <MarkMc> :D 19:08:51 <MarkMc> (years old) 19:09:10 <Bjarni> I presume it's not months or decades 19:09:16 <MarkMc> Nope 19:09:23 <AntB> lol 19:10:51 <Eddi|zuHause> MarkMc: more like Macrolepiota procera :p 19:10:52 <MarkMc> So quiet... 19:10:53 <Bjarni> so basically you went "oh I have a potential great future where I can meet a great woman, have great sex, a big house and a nice family.... but I will just throw all that away and do drugs instead" 19:11:02 <Bjarni> before growing up 19:11:04 <MarkMc> Exaclty 19:11:10 <MarkMc> Hmm 19:11:13 <MarkMc> Exactly* 19:11:24 <MarkMc> Eddi|zuHause ^^ 19:11:29 <Bjarni> you shouldn't do drugs 19:11:49 <MarkMc> Gosh, you sound like an american anti-drugwoman 19:11:52 <MarkMc> :P 19:11:57 <Bjarni> you mistyped exactly and then you corrected it into the same mistake again 19:12:00 <hylje> soccer mom 19:12:02 <Bjarni> hey 19:12:05 <MarkMc> Fuck 19:12:05 <MarkMc> :D 19:12:06 <Bjarni> I'm not American 19:12:09 <Bjarni> or a woman 19:12:09 <MarkMc> I know 19:12:16 <MarkMc> Even worse 19:12:17 <MarkMc> Danish 19:12:18 <MarkMc> :o 19:12:22 <hylje> implied that you *sound* like one 19:12:29 <hylje> not that you *are* one 19:12:29 <MarkMc> :) 19:12:32 <hylje> stop taking drugs 19:12:34 <MarkMc> hylje, thanks 19:12:35 <hylje> you hypocrite 19:12:35 <MarkMc> Haha 19:12:54 <MarkMc> Danish people dont like when you point guns at them I found out 19:13:01 <hylje> well who does? 19:13:03 <Maedhros> does anyone? 19:13:06 <MarkMc> Me+ 19:13:07 <MarkMc> ?* 19:13:10 <hylje> aww 19:13:11 <MarkMc> IÀm swedish 19:13:15 <MarkMc> -À 19:13:19 <MarkMc> +' 19:13:38 <Bjarni> I once heard a guy saying that you couldn't talk about drugs if you never tried them and my first thought was "based on that theory it's kind of hard to talk about successful suicides" 19:13:48 <AntB> lol 19:13:49 <MarkMc> :) 19:13:58 <dihedral> rofl 19:14:26 <Belugas> in a matter of fact, it is true 19:14:50 <Belugas> apart from saying "he's dead", what else there is to talk about? 19:14:53 <hylje> at least somewhere in the earth you can get shot for failed suicide 19:15:12 * MarkMc are doin business on my laptop that stands at the right of me, and chatting on this computer 19:15:17 <Belugas> apart from saynig he's stoned, what else can one who didn't used drugs can talk about? 19:15:18 <MarkMc> Guess what kind of business 19:15:20 <MarkMc> :) 19:15:21 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:15:36 <Bjarni> drug dealing? 19:15:40 <Rubidium> oh god, you're a Nigerian scammer 19:15:43 *** sPooT [~spoot@e142085.upc-e.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 19:15:43 <MarkMc> :D 19:16:21 <Maedhros> hylje: suicide is illegal in the uk, i think 19:16:23 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 19:16:28 <MarkMc> :) 19:16:52 <Rubidium> Maedhros: as if they're going to prosecute you when you kill yourself 19:16:55 <Bjarni> I don't think we need special laws regarding suicide... it's murder and that's it 19:17:03 <Bjarni> attempted suicide is attempted murder 19:17:06 <Eddi|zuHause> suicide is illegal pretty much everywhere 19:17:12 <Prof_Frink> Bjarni is schizophrenic! 19:17:22 <MarkMc> :) 19:17:25 <Bjarni> what? 19:17:30 <MarkMc> Prof_Frink, no, hes danish 19:17:31 <MarkMc> :D 19:17:33 <MarkMc> he's 19:17:35 <Bjarni> what? 19:17:37 <Eddi|zuHause> even the Koran forbids suicide 19:17:41 <MarkMc> cool 19:17:47 <Bjarni> Prof_Frink: based on what??? 19:17:47 <Eddi|zuHause> we are not schitzophrenic 19:18:28 <Prof_Frink> Bjarni: You're murdering the voices 19:20:01 <skidd13> This IRC is too wired for me ATM. I'm off 19:20:02 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A6E49.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 19:20:07 <MarkMc> :D 19:20:31 <Prof_Frink> skidd13: Get an 802.11 connection. 19:21:21 <Eddi|zuHause> "Identity" was a great movie 19:21:28 *** AntB [~AntB-UK@host81-151-111-8.range81-151.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: *poof!* I am gone -=- Using ChatZilla] 19:21:37 <MarkMc> Prof_Frink :D 19:21:54 <Prof_Frink> Eddi|zuHause: Was that the one with the motel? 19:21:55 *** AntB [~AntB-UK@host81-151-111-8.range81-151.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 19:22:05 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah 19:24:43 * Bjarni just realised something 19:24:49 <MarkSlap> What? :o 19:24:54 <Bjarni> about MarkMc's deathwish 19:25:00 <Bjarni> if we don't go against it, he will die 19:25:00 <MarkSlap> :o 19:25:06 <Bjarni> then he will not buy any more drugs 19:25:07 <MarkSlap> Nono 19:25:09 <Prof_Frink> You've got some fucking jaffa cakes in your coat pocket? 19:25:18 <Bjarni> and then he will no longer fund terrorism 19:25:22 <MarkSlap> :P 19:25:40 <MarkSlap> I cant see how a cb-grow in sweden founds terrorism? 19:25:51 <Bjarni> now you added a new info 19:25:59 <MarkSlap> Yes 19:25:59 <MarkSlap> :) 19:26:01 <Bjarni> it's not imported 19:26:15 <Bjarni> you never told that 19:26:36 <MarkSlap> No 19:26:44 <MarkSlap> You just assumed that 19:27:14 <Bjarni> then you are reduced to a burden on society 19:27:19 <Bjarni> not a terrorist funder 19:27:30 <MarkSlap> Yay 19:27:46 <Bjarni> do you pay VAT on your weed? 19:27:59 *** izhirahi1er is now known as izhirahider 19:28:06 <MarkSlap> No, I do it through a business 19:28:10 <MarkSlap> WHat do you think? 19:28:19 <Bjarni> so you cheat on taxes as well 19:28:53 <MarkSlap> You I got to the "VAT-company" and say: "Hi! I bought some hasch, now I want to pay VAT. How much VAT should I pay?" 19:28:53 <MarkSlap> :D 19:29:25 <Bjarni> you don't have to ask 19:29:30 <Bjarni> you can calculate it yourself 19:29:32 <Bjarni> oh wait 19:29:34 <Bjarni> you can't 19:29:39 <Bjarni> if you used the weed 19:29:49 <Bjarni> but everybody else can :P 19:30:01 <MarkSlap> :> 19:30:26 <MarkSlap> We have like, 12% VAT on grocerys 19:30:31 <Bjarni> basically you take the price you paid and multiply it with 0,25. The result is how much you should pay 19:30:43 <Bjarni> it's not like weed is a food 19:30:45 <MarkSlap> Wonder if cannabis goes in under "grocerys" 19:30:48 <MarkSlap> :( 19:30:54 <Bjarni> I guess it's a luxury goods 19:31:04 <MarkSlap> Mmkey 19:31:12 <MarkSlap> Then its like, eh,, 10% 19:31:14 <MarkSlap> Yay 19:31:22 <Bjarni> err... are you sure? 19:31:31 <MarkSlap> No 19:31:33 <MarkSlap> Not at all 19:31:33 <MarkSlap> :D 19:31:40 <Bjarni> it's 25% in Denmark 19:31:47 <MarkSlap> It's probably still 12% 19:31:50 <MarkSlap> :P 19:32:11 <MarkSlap> We have between 27-34% tax on our income 19:32:21 <Bjarni> not more? 19:32:57 <MarkSlap> No, not basicly 19:33:00 <Bjarni> here you can pay up to 68% of parts of your income 19:33:04 <MarkSlap> Oh, fuck 19:33:05 <MarkSlap> :D 19:33:11 <MarkSlap> I like ireland still 19:33:25 <MarkSlap> 10-12% tax on the income 19:33:25 <MarkSlap> :D 19:33:57 <Bjarni> surprisingly some parties wants to increase the taxes o_O 19:34:09 <MarkSlap> :P 19:34:56 <Bjarni> we have the highest income taxes in the world, but lets increase it because only rich bigots pay taxes and if you are a good communist you don't make money 19:35:04 <Bjarni> or something 19:35:46 <Bjarni> shit 19:36:06 <Bjarni> I'm telling about political parties to a drug addict 19:36:16 <Bjarni> aka I'm wasting my time >_< 19:36:27 <Bjarni> you will not vote on any of them anyway 19:36:43 <Prof_Frink> Better than talking about your drug habits to politicians 19:37:38 <Bjarni> well... if I did that to the politicians who wants to increase the taxes, then they would stare at me and don't trust me because they think that everybody do drugs 19:43:25 *** dihedral|away [~dihedral@joshua.dihedral.de] has quit [Quit: FIN] 19:47:18 <MarkSlap> :> 19:51:37 <dihedral> http://www.break.com/pictures/um-ok384245.html 19:52:05 <dihedral> the one after that is pretty good too 19:52:29 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-181-149.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 19:53:08 *** scia [~scia@85.149.96.102] has joined #openttd 19:56:10 <Bjarni> the last one... I think they are even more expensive than normal weapons... you see they are damn expensive to drop 20:01:08 *** scia [~scia@85.149.96.102] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 20:08:34 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A43614.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:09:31 <Wolf01> i just looked at mirc and i thought: "i don't remember to have joined Command&Conquer channel" lol 20:10:21 <hylje> lol 20:14:04 <Bjarni> you joined a C&C channel? 20:14:09 <Bjarni> there is a C&C channel? 20:14:20 <hylje> * <- the joke 20:14:21 <hylje> o 20:14:24 <hylje> -|- 20:14:27 <hylje> \ 20:14:31 <hylje> ah, i fail 20:14:39 <hylje> you get the point 20:14:44 <Bjarni> . 20:14:50 <Bjarni> you can have the point back 20:14:59 <hylje> aww, sweet 20:17:14 *** Deathmaker [~Miranda@dslb-082-083-252-050.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:17:57 <Eddi|zuHause> · <- this one's much better 20:18:34 <hylje> :o 20:18:39 <hylje> it floaaats 20:19:50 <Eddi|zuHause> Ë 20:19:54 <Bjarni> Eddi|zuHause appears to use modern hardware where floating point has a decent speed. When using old hardware you should avoid floating point at all costs 20:20:25 <Bjarni> I still tend to think about how to avoid floating point and stay in the int domain even though I don't have to anymore 20:21:43 <Wolf01> dihedral: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=580169#p580169 i was looking at some screenshot topics, i found that this roadset does have the lanterns you need 20:22:08 <hylje> this is very silly 20:23:42 <dihedral> Wolf01: i am really sorry to have to dissapoint you 20:23:42 <dihedral> i am not looking for the lantern itself... 20:23:46 <Eddi|zuHause> Wolf01: next time, link to the picture in question, not the whole thread with 50 giant screenshots 20:24:50 <Wolf01> lol, i forgot that this forum don't have the feature to link one post instead of the whole topic 20:25:26 <dihedral> and we possibly would have to get in touch with the author to modify those lanterns... 20:25:56 <Wolf01> not if i redraw them very different 20:26:18 <Wolf01> i only take the idea from them 20:27:27 <Eddi|zuHause> and who in his right mind uses a BR 01 to haul Coal? 20:28:58 <Eddi|zuHause> especially since two posts above he talks about realism 20:29:21 * Prof_Frink uses a BR103 to haul Eddi|zuHause 20:30:26 <dihedral> Wolf01: sure, the idea is good - needs some color :-) 20:30:28 <dihedral> party 20:30:31 <dihedral> celebration 20:30:33 <dihedral> :-) 20:30:35 <dihedral> go for it :-) 20:30:43 <Wolf01> do you like green? 20:30:52 <dihedral> i like a lot of colors :-) 20:31:12 <Bjarni> go look at a rainbow 20:31:23 <Bjarni> play rainbow islands... it's colourful :P 20:31:26 <dihedral> aint got on here Bjarni 20:32:00 <Bjarni> rainbow islands... is it 5 or 6 bit colours? ;) 20:32:11 <Bjarni> looked colourful back then, but not anymore 20:32:36 <Bjarni> I think it's 5 20:33:00 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: rubidium * r11291 /trunk/src/settings.cpp: -Fix [FS#1345]: changing the wagon_speed_limits patch option caused desyncs. 20:33:15 <Bjarni> heh nice one 20:33:35 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:34:21 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: rubidium * r11292 /trunk/src/player_face.h: -Fix [FS#1350]: don't desync when generating random faces. Patch by SmatZ. 20:35:53 <Rubidium> SmatZ: FS#1349 doesn't look like a bug to me 20:36:15 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: glx * r11293 /trunk/src/ (industry_cmd.cpp newgrf_text.cpp strgen/strgen.cpp): -Fix: newgrf defined industry news messages use TTD format for args, which is not the same as our. So we must detect those strings and pass them the right params 20:38:20 <SmatZ> Rubidium: yes, but once you said I should mark everything as bug 20:38:31 <SmatZ> else it won't ever get commited 20:38:36 <SmatZ> as you look at bugs only... 20:38:38 *** elmex [~elmex@e180064127.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:38:54 <Bjarni> !bug 1349 20:39:01 <Rubidium> no, I said that patches that fix bugs should be files as bugs, not patches 20:39:02 <Bjarni> !Openttd bug 1349 20:39:11 <Bjarni> so much for being lazy :P 20:39:21 <Rubidium> *filed 20:39:23 <glx> Bjarni: @openttd bugs 1349, but DorpsGek is not here 20:39:48 <SmatZ> the http://bugs.openttd.org/task/1209 has been waiting for some time... 20:39:50 <Bjarni> ahh 20:39:54 <Rubidium> and I didn't say I never look at patches, it's just that I don't look as often at them 20:40:20 <Rubidium> SmatZ: there are a lot of patches that have been waiting for "some" (even more than your "some") time 20:41:34 <SmatZ> ah okay 20:42:43 <SmatZ> you know, there is a problem - the time I spend with updating the patch to be applicable for never revisions, could be spent in a much more useful way 20:43:06 <SmatZ> and I am often very nervous when something is unfinished... 20:43:13 <SmatZ> it stresses me a lot 20:44:17 <Phazorx> Rubidium: thanks for 11291 20:44:20 <Phazorx> thatw as fast :) 20:44:54 <Rubidium> Phazorx: I already knew the solution yesterday, just didn't have the time to implement it 20:44:58 * Wolf01 http://wolf01.game-host.org/OTTD_related/lanternsandpeople.png 20:44:58 <Wolf01> dihedral, what do you think about this? i draw some people that can be copied and pasted to make a crowd 20:45:11 <Phazorx> Rubidium: it did look like soemtihng rather basic 20:45:24 <Phazorx> do trains ened to depot to have afefct of the patch option change now? 20:45:33 <Wolf01> so cities might look like new york :P 20:45:45 *** Purno_ [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: Always remember you're unique, just like everyone else.] 20:45:56 <Rubidium> Phazorx: it had nothing specifically to do with vehicles going to a depot 20:46:02 <dihedral> Wolf01: sure - sounds like a good idea 20:46:28 <Phazorx> Rubidium: i know that, but before the fix in order to get trains to readjust to wagon speed limits off they need to go to depot and be updated 20:47:03 *** Maedhros [~jc@host86-136-161-69.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:47:30 <dihedral> In Fact Wolf01 20:48:35 <dihedral> i am not familiar with grf's, but are there 2 separate ones for lanterns and for the side walks of town roads? 20:49:08 * Phazorx pings Eddi|zuHause 20:49:14 <Eddi|zuHause> ? 20:49:27 <Phazorx> whatw as your idea bout no trees patch before? 20:49:36 <Eddi|zuHause> rubbish :p 20:49:45 <Eddi|zuHause> take ammlers patch 20:50:00 <Phazorx> Ammler ? 20:50:16 <Eddi|zuHause> http://paste.openttd.org/256 20:51:04 <Phazorx> heh 20:51:21 <Phazorx> not quite what i meant tho 20:51:29 <Phazorx> that stops trees functinality 20:51:42 <Phazorx> only think i wanted to prevent - trees growing everywhere on random 20:52:10 <dihedral> so that you would still be able to 'up' your standing with the local auth? 20:52:27 <Phazorx> well you will be able to manualy plant trees 20:52:27 <Eddi|zuHause> OnTick_Trees() is the function that places random trees on the map 20:52:29 <Phazorx> but they will not grow 20:52:39 <Eddi|zuHause> TileLoopTree() is the function that grows them 20:52:39 <Ammler> Phazorx: they will 20:52:43 <Phazorx> Eddi|zuHause: is there a separated functiona that grows them? 20:53:30 <Phazorx> Ammler: what rev it can go agaisnt and is it wgetable as .patch form soemwhere? :) 20:53:47 <Ammler> I guess, it works since revision 1 20:53:59 <Eddi|zuHause> Phazorx: click on "download" above the pist 20:54:01 <Eddi|zuHause> post 20:54:18 <Phazorx> ahh see it 20:54:21 <Phazorx> thansk 20:54:35 *** TrueBrain [truelight@81.171.98.110] has joined #openttd 20:54:45 <Wolf01> oh hello TrueBrain :D 20:55:04 <TrueBrain> hi :) 20:55:46 *** DorpsGek [truelight@81.171.98.110] has joined #openttd 20:55:46 *** mode/#openttd [+o DorpsGek] by ChanServ 20:55:46 <Eddi|zuHause> who was that again who said he was "always on"? 20:56:02 <TrueBrain> shit happens 20:56:04 <TrueBrain> connection problems too 20:59:37 <Phazorx> heh 20:59:45 <Phazorx> reminds me of an issue i had 2 hours ago 21:01:58 *** Roujin [~Roujin@mnch-4d0484e3.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:10:50 <Wolf01> http://xkcd.com/330/ ahahahahahahh 21:11:01 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has joined #openttd 21:11:39 <TrueBrain> Phazorx: sadly enough, if this client is dropped, the problems are slightly bigger than yours :p 21:11:47 <TrueBrain> (as that means around 10000 customers can't see their website :p) 21:11:51 <TrueBrain> but okay, minor detail :) 21:11:54 <dihedral> TrueBrain: :-) 21:12:06 <Phazorx> TrueBrain: that's all matter of preception :) 21:12:16 <TrueBrain> I am gone :) Have fun all! 21:12:32 <Phazorx> my OSes suddenly loosing tcpip.sys was big problem AFAIC 21:13:19 *** prakti [~prakti@port-213-148-152-8.static.qsc.de] has quit [Quit: Quitting .... Hackedi...hackedi...weg.] 21:14:36 *** FlowaPowa [~Flowa@4va54-4-82-244-103-144.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 21:15:02 <valhallasw> I still need some comic groeper 21:15:04 <valhallasw> grouper* 21:15:10 *** G [~njones@202.154.150.116] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:16:33 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@xdsl-81-173-249-253.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:16:35 <valhallasw> something that groups xkcd, little gamers, megatokyo, etc :) 21:17:08 <Wolf01> we should make a webcomic on ottd 21:17:13 <Prof_Frink> valhallasw: It's called an RSS aggregator 21:17:23 <Wolf01> maybe with sacro as protagonist 21:17:41 <valhallasw> Prof_Frink: yes. but most web comics don't embed the comics in RSS 21:17:42 *** Tino|Home [~Tino@i5387CB83.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 21:17:42 *** boekabar1 [~boekabart@81.58.27.138] has joined #openttd 21:18:12 *** G [~njones@202.154.150.116] has joined #openttd 21:18:54 *** dihedral_ [~dihedral@dslb-084-057-228-157.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 21:18:59 *** dihedral is now known as Guest2085 21:18:59 *** Dark_Link^ [~glidegame@fw.dormnet.his.se] has quit [Write error: connection closed] 21:18:59 *** dihedral_ is now known as dihedral 21:19:14 *** FlowaPowa [~Flowa@4va54-4-82-244-103-144.fbx.proxad.net] has left #openttd [] 21:19:30 *** Dark_Link^ [~glidegame@193.10.185.3] has joined #openttd 21:21:59 *** gfldex_ [~dex@dslb-084-058-035-236.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 21:22:03 *** gfldex [~dex@dslb-084-058-035-236.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:23:48 *** Guest2085 [~dihedral@dslb-084-057-228-157.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 482 seconds] 21:24:13 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i5387CB83.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 481 seconds] 21:35:07 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F985.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:35:52 <Sacro> Wolf01: eh? 21:36:02 <Wolf01> nothing 21:42:32 <Phazorx> err what do i do with .cpp.rej after unsuccessful patching? 21:42:39 <Phazorx> from what i can see it should have worked 21:42:44 <Phazorx> and output does not make sense to me 21:43:31 <glx> .rej contains rejected part of diff 21:44:45 <Phazorx> glx: i figured that but from looks of it it should work 21:45:06 <glx> maybe a trailing space somewhere 21:45:16 <glx> enough to make it fail 21:45:41 <Phazorx> http://paste.openttd.org/259 21:48:12 <glx> this paste miss the important thing :) 21:48:19 <glx> content of patched file 21:49:47 <Phazorx> ints rej shows original and patch both? 21:50:22 <glx> .rej contains exactly the same as .patch 21:50:38 <glx> but only the failed hunk 21:51:05 <glx> and in a different format 21:51:21 <Wolf01> 'night 21:51:29 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host240-239-dynamic.15-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 21:51:36 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:51:40 <Phazorx> http://paste.openttd.org/260 21:52:52 <glx> patching should have work indeed 21:53:31 <Phazorx> my point :/ 21:53:38 <Eddi|zuHause> just edit the file and search for ">>>" 21:53:46 <Phazorx> edit what file? 21:53:55 <Eddi|zuHause> the .cpp file 21:54:05 <glx> Eddi|zuHause: doesn't work with patch 21:54:19 <Phazorx> /home/trunk# grep ">>>" src/landscape.cpp 21:54:19 <Phazorx> /home/trunk# 21:54:38 <glx> >>>> is for when you have .mine and .rXXXX 21:54:54 <Eddi|zuHause> hm 21:55:01 <Eddi|zuHause> well, then edit the file manually :p 21:55:25 <glx> yes it's a one line change 21:55:53 <Phazorx> i did already 21:56:06 <Phazorx> i want to get the point whi it fails and what does .rej supposed to show 21:57:03 <dihedral> good night 21:57:07 * dihedral is off to bed 21:59:04 *** dihedral [~dihedral@dslb-084-057-228-157.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.7/2007091417]] 22:01:28 <Eddi|zuHause> Phazorx: i'm guessing tab vs. spaces 22:02:09 <Ammler> try this file: http://senduit.com/6184dc 22:02:52 <Phazorx> Ammler: i did 22:03:12 <Phazorx> actualy nope 22:03:16 <Phazorx> i had a screen copy 22:03:29 <Phazorx> which doesnt maitain spaces and crlfs 22:03:42 <Phazorx> i direct link is nice for patches 22:03:52 <Phazorx> otherwise "smart" services are getting in the way 22:04:29 <Ammler> Eddi|zuHause: this patch should work on server side only, right? 22:04:51 <Eddi|zuHause> Ammler: it has to be on both clients and servers 22:05:22 <Ammler> so does every single client generate randomly trees? 22:05:47 <Ammler> if you have more clients you will also have more trees? 22:05:47 <Eddi|zuHause> yes. 22:05:52 <Eddi|zuHause> no 22:06:07 <Eddi|zuHause> all clients generate the same tree 22:06:22 <Eddi|zuHause> otherwise they desync 22:06:45 <Ammler> does not the server generate the tree and tell clients where? 22:06:52 <Eddi|zuHause> no 22:07:16 <Eddi|zuHause> communication like that is only initiated for player instructed commands 22:07:53 <Eddi|zuHause> all (pseudo)random stuff is calculated on each client 22:08:04 <Eddi|zuHause> after each 100 ticks, the randomseed is compared 22:08:10 <Eddi|zuHause> if different -> desync 22:09:40 *** Tino|Home [~Tino@i5387CB83.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 22:10:05 <Ammler> and why is that needed? 22:10:24 <Ammler> wouldn't be better to do that stuff on server only? 22:10:31 <Eddi|zuHause> because you cannot send all that data through the net 22:10:45 <Ammler> oh, ok 22:10:58 <Eddi|zuHause> there are multiple thousand random decisions each tick 22:12:00 <Eddi|zuHause> you'd practically have to send the entire map each tick, because almost all tiles can change 22:14:28 <Eddi|zuHause> Ammler: the premise of that system is to send as few data through the net as possible, so whenever you can deterministically recalculate something on all clients, you do that 22:14:43 <Eddi|zuHause> that goes for pretty much everything, except player intervention 22:15:15 <Ammler> ok, now, I see, thanks 22:16:00 <Ammler> how many ticks has a day? 22:16:28 <Eddi|zuHause> grep "#define DAY_TICS"? 22:16:32 <Eddi|zuHause> something like 72 22:17:29 <Ammler> 74, 22:17:38 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah 22:18:50 *** Farden [~jk3farden@AMontsouris-156-1-159-107.w83-202.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )] 22:19:11 <Ammler> now, I also understand, why there are so many desyncs on some patches 22:19:15 <Ammler> like pax dest 22:21:33 *** AntB [~AntB-UK@host81-151-111-8.range81-151.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:26:29 *** pPACO_BAN [PACO@CPE0011d8690c25-CM001225db7ae8.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #openttd 22:27:14 *** Phazorx is now known as Guest2090 22:27:14 *** pPACO_BAN is now known as Phazorx 22:29:41 *** KouDy [~KouDy@85.207.64.178] has quit [Quit: Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com] 22:30:15 *** Guest2090 [PACO@CPE0011d8690c25-CM001225db7ae8.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:38:37 *** Eoin [Eoin@62-31-15-105.cable.ubr06.dund.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 22:41:59 *** gfldex [~dex@dslb-084-058-004-182.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 22:44:32 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F985.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:48:17 *** Phazorx [PACO@CPE0011d8690c25-CM001225db7ae8.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:48:17 *** pPACO_BAN [PACO@CPE0011d8690c25-CM001225db7ae8.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #openttd 22:48:25 *** gfldex_ [~dex@dslb-084-058-035-236.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:50:10 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:58:23 *** NoFearrr [~1@dxb-as77584.alshamil.net.ae] has joined #openttd 23:00:38 *** peterbrett [~peter@ptbb2b.girton.cam.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:11:09 <Maarten> you know you have played openttd too much when you receive your paycheck, and the "ka-ching" sound rings in your head. 23:11:57 <Eoin> lol 23:12:01 *** Eoin [Eoin@62-31-15-105.cable.ubr06.dund.blueyonder.co.uk] has left #openttd [] 23:14:30 *** NoFearrr [~1@dxb-as77584.alshamil.net.ae] has left #openttd [] 23:22:52 *** Belugas_Gone [~jfranc@ip-125.47.99.216.dsl-cust.ca.inter.net] has joined #openttd 23:24:10 *** Greyscale [~Greyscale@host86-131-41-165.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 23:25:37 *** Greyscale [~Greyscale@host86-131-41-165.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has quit [] 23:25:50 *** Greyscale [~Greyscale@host86-131-41-165.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 23:30:35 *** Grey [~Greyscale@host86-131-41-165.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:31:18 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:34:31 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 23:47:17 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50c79a03.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:50:28 <Greyscale> snore time. Night 23:50:31 *** Greyscale [~Greyscale@host86-131-41-165.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:57:13 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-109-253.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [Quit: Zzz]