Times are UTC Toggle Colours
00:00:22 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [] 00:00:28 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 00:06:59 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:07:51 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has joined #openttd 00:14:23 *** liona29 [~liona29@ANantes-257-1-120-128.w90-25.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 00:16:12 *** liona29 [~liona29@ANantes-257-1-120-128.w90-25.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [] 00:16:34 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-108-106.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:21:02 *** HMage [HMage@hmage.dialup.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: HMage] 00:25:31 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-215-7.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:26:43 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 00:29:56 *** _Ben_ [~Ben@82.152.195.251] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:30:49 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@xdsl-81-173-249-24.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:34:20 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@212.24.150.226] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:39:47 *** Grey_ [~Greyscale@host86-131-28-95.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 00:41:30 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:45:47 *** Grey [~Greyscale@host86-131-28-95.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:47:52 *** Grey_ [~Greyscale@host86-131-28-95.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:49:07 *** AntB [~AntB-UK@dsl-dp-81-140-100-67.in-addr.broadbandscope.com] has quit [Quit: *poof!* I am gone -=- Using ChatZilla] 00:58:13 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-91-129.adslplus.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:05:09 *** huma [~huma@89.19.167.191] has quit [] 01:09:36 *** fjb [~frank@p5485EAE8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 3.2.0 'Realia'] 01:31:24 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B7770A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:37:52 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B76C7A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:38:00 *** Tulien [~d@71.30.50.105] has left #openttd [] 01:54:17 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 01:56:55 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@xdsl-81-173-234-111.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 02:07:17 *** Maarten [~dutchusa@cpe-66-74-155-152.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:07:35 *** Maarten [~dutchusa@cpe-66-74-155-152.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 02:13:56 *** lola22 [~lola22@ANantes-257-1-120-128.w90-25.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 02:14:00 *** lola22 [~lola22@ANantes-257-1-120-128.w90-25.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [] 02:18:55 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 02:19:22 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-83-82.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:22:49 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-83-82.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 02:31:32 *** G [~njones@202-154-152-221.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #openttd 02:33:22 *** G_ [~njones@202-154-152-221.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:06:37 *** G [~njones@202-154-152-221.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:25:07 *** Roujin [~Roujin@mnch-4d042768.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- IRC with a difference] 03:26:18 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-164-75.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 03:45:53 *** nzvip [~svip@192.38.109.188] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:58:14 *** G [~njones@202-154-149-26.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #openttd 04:01:18 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i5387C8E7.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 04:07:54 *** TinoM [~Tino@83.135.203.255] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:08:16 *** Ailure [Cat@194.47.44.201] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:38:53 *** mcbane [~Maui_key@p5498EA06.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 04:38:54 *** nairan_zZZ [~Maui_key@p5498E272.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:47:33 *** huma [~huma@89.19.167.191] has joined #openttd 04:56:19 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-91-129.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 05:21:07 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-91-129.adslplus.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:25:40 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB52FA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 05:52:06 *** natacha29 [~natacha29@ANantes-257-1-120-128.w90-25.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 05:54:12 <mikk36|w> uhm 05:54:13 *** natacha29 [~natacha29@ANantes-257-1-120-128.w90-25.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [] 05:54:37 <mikk36|w> has the "world logics" thingie changed or what ? 05:54:50 <mikk36|w> no more quick production increase etc ? 05:55:07 <mikk36|w> the greatest thing is that... yesterday when i went to sleep, i had a properly working company 05:55:12 <mikk36|w> today morning - bankrupt 05:55:23 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB52FA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai] 05:55:29 <mikk36|w> cause: seems that an oil refinery has disappeared 05:55:52 <mikk36|w> and that was the last refinery :P 05:57:08 <mikk36|w> oh, nice... 05:57:19 <mikk36|w> 1,656,000 litres of water in a month 05:59:30 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~dex@i577B731C.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:05:48 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-164-75.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: ThePizzaKing] 06:28:08 *** Unknown_Entity [~UnknownEn@dslb-084-063-032-059.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 06:29:34 *** huma [~huma@89.19.167.191] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:32:22 *** Deathmaker [~Miranda@dslb-082-083-193-148.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 06:33:08 <Rubidium> mikk36|w: changed since when? 06:34:38 <mikk36|w> 0.5.3 ? 06:36:27 <Rubidium> so a difference between trunk and 0.5.3? or some other pair of versions? 06:36:44 <mikk36|w> :P 06:37:14 <Rubidium> and are you using any newindustries GRFs? 06:38:59 *** ProfFrink [~proffrink@5acef622.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 06:39:06 <mikk36|w> no 06:39:11 <mikk36|w> just urks and trams 06:39:20 <mikk36|w> in desert 06:39:51 <Rubidium> then there shouldn't be much change 06:40:30 <mikk36|w> strange then 06:40:35 <Rubidium> what trunk revision are you using by the way? 06:40:37 <mikk36|w> year was about 2130 or so 06:40:47 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5acfa4f1.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:40:47 *** ProfFrink is now known as Prof_Frink 06:40:48 <mikk36|w> and still only a few primary industries were over 200k 06:54:36 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has joined #openttd 06:57:16 *** Frostregen_ [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-143-232.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 06:58:50 *** Zavior [~zavior@d195-237-7-209.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 07:02:42 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-179-162.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:02:57 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 07:12:25 *** Alltaken [~chatzilla@121-72-235-8.cable.telstraclear.net] has joined #openttd 07:14:33 *** Farden [~jk3farden@AMontsouris-156-1-118-246.w83-202.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 07:22:59 <mikk36|w> other than that, it's much more fun building than in 0.5.3 07:23:26 <mikk36|w> the biggest enjoyment is the bridge stuff 07:23:36 *** ludde [~ludde@ua-83-227-238-252.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 07:23:37 <mikk36|w> no more headaches with other players :) 07:26:41 *** huma [~huma@89.19.167.191] has joined #openttd 07:28:31 *** Deathmaker [~Miranda@dslb-082-083-193-148.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:37:38 *** |Bastiaan| [~kvirc@77.60.199.140] has joined #openttd 08:01:58 *** elmex [~elmex@e180065005.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 08:08:08 *** unkie [~unknown@cp210686-b.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has quit [Quit: leaving] 08:08:52 <SpComb> Logs: http://spbot.marttila.de:8120/logs/oftc-ottd (old: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd ) 08:08:52 <Unknown_Entity> !logs 08:14:37 *** Arpad [~Gali@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:21:30 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 08:23:14 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 08:30:41 *** natacha29 [~natacha29@ANantes-257-1-120-128.w90-25.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 08:31:49 *** BigBB [~BigBB@p5B040A13.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 08:32:06 *** natacha29 [~natacha29@ANantes-257-1-120-128.w90-25.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [] 08:50:43 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 08:58:02 *** dihedral [~dihedral@joshua.dihedral.de] has joined #openttd 09:04:48 *** Sacro [Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:11:28 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: Always remember you're unique, just like everyone else.] 09:25:30 *** G_ [~njones@202-154-149-26.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #openttd 09:27:07 *** G [~njones@202-154-149-26.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:27:57 *** Gekz [~gekko@CPE-121-217-203-4.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 09:32:27 *** Alltaken [~chatzilla@121-72-235-8.cable.telstraclear.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.9/2007102514]] 09:40:00 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.broadband.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 09:54:16 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 10:11:52 *** Nitehawk [~nitehawk@c-98-200-106-108.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:12:49 *** Nitehawk [~nitehawk@c-98-200-106-108.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 10:30:26 *** svippy [~svip@cpe.atm2-0-78233.0x535a2072.boanxx18.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 10:30:26 *** svippery [~svip@cpe.atm2-0-78233.0x535a2072.boanxx18.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:35:48 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@212.24.150.226] has joined #openttd 10:44:33 <Unknown_Entity> TrueBrain: are you around? 10:44:48 *** elmex [~elmex@e180065005.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:45:37 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-164-75.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 10:46:02 *** elmex [~elmex@e180065005.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 10:50:46 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has joined #openttd 11:01:32 *** Arpad [~Gali@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 11:07:56 *** Jumpingmanjim [crayner@ppp121-44-213-183.lns1.hba1.internode.on.net] has joined #openttd 11:08:05 <Jumpingmanjim> hello 11:08:55 <Jumpingmanjim> anyone here? 11:09:48 <Jumpingmanjim> hellooooooooo 11:15:44 <Unknown_Entity> I'm here, but I doubt that I can help you 11:15:55 <Jumpingmanjim> oh ok 11:15:59 <Jumpingmanjim> i had an idea 11:16:12 <Jumpingmanjim> maybe the openttd guys could sell merchandise 11:16:18 <Jumpingmanjim> t shirts and stuff 11:17:42 <Unknown_Entity> That could cause trouble though. Because they don't have the rights do graphics and such 11:18:34 <dihedral> Unknown_Entity: then use different graphics :-P 11:18:36 <Jumpingmanjim> hmmm i thought about that 11:18:44 <Jumpingmanjim> maybe just the logo? 11:18:53 <Jumpingmanjim> or some original designs 11:18:58 <Jumpingmanjim> slogans and stuff 11:19:11 <Unknown_Entity> the logo would be ok i think 11:19:27 *** Gekz [~gekko@CPE-121-217-203-4.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 3.2.6 Anomalies http://www.kvirc.net/] 11:19:58 <Jumpingmanjim> and it would help support the project 11:20:12 <Jumpingmanjim> actually is there any of the main devs here? 11:20:48 <Unknown_Entity> i don't think so. i need one as well :D 11:26:12 <dihedral> lol 11:26:18 <dihedral> what are you up to Unknown_Entity 11:26:19 <dihedral> ? 11:28:10 <Unknown_Entity> dihedral: i'm wondering why DrawSprite() sometimes gets strange SpriteIDs (like 1239123123) 11:28:37 <Unknown_Entity> and if it's related to the problem that lots of tiles are not showing up (http://img90.imageshack.us/my.php?image=day10nu6.png) 11:29:15 <Jumpingmanjim> also 11:29:31 <Jumpingmanjim> there are about 6 months of nightly builds in the archive 11:29:37 <Jumpingmanjim> why do we need that many? 11:30:01 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1E4B3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:30:17 <huma> maybe the cleanup script doesn't work? :) 11:41:37 *** Jumpingmanjim [crayner@ppp121-44-213-183.lns1.hba1.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:43:25 *** Unknown_Entity [~UnknownEn@dslb-084-063-032-059.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:44:14 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80A05.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:45:41 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80F6F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 11:45:41 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 11:46:13 *** smoovi [smoovi@e178222232.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 11:54:44 *** Farden123 [~jk3farden@AMontsouris-156-1-118-246.w83-202.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 11:54:50 <ln-> http://edition.cnn.com/ 12:01:09 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:01:57 *** Farden [~jk3farden@AMontsouris-156-1-118-246.w83-202.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:01:57 *** Farden123 is now known as Farden 12:03:09 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-164-75.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: ThePizzaKing] 12:21:19 *** Celestar [~Jadzia_Da@galadriel.td.mw.tum.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:24:10 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.broadband.tele.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:34:54 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has joined #openttd 12:36:54 *** RamboRonny [magic.powe@90-230-201-111-no37.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 12:37:38 *** fjb [~frank@p5485EAE8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:37:43 <fjb> Moin 12:54:11 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~dex@i577B668A.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 12:55:32 *** G [~njones@202-154-149-26.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #openttd 12:57:17 *** G_ [~njones@202-154-149-26.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:03:49 *** Sacro [Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 13:06:12 <Sacro> yawn 13:08:40 <dihedral> good yawning :-P 13:14:49 <SmatZ> hello 13:14:52 *** frosch123 [~mtce@kolmogoroff.math.tu-clausthal.de] has joined #openttd 13:40:34 *** exe [~dgxczv@pub70089.brzesko.net.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:47:26 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB52FA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:53:59 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.broadband.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 13:56:56 <fjb> Hm, why must there be no bus stop under a bridge? :-( 14:01:42 <SmatZ> maybe because lack of bits in the map array, maybe because it is unrealistic 14:01:48 <SmatZ> similiar with depots... 14:02:05 <SmatZ> with depots, thers is problem with rendering 14:02:11 <SmatZ> because they are too high... 14:02:21 <SmatZ> maybe similiar problem is with stations, too 14:05:12 <fjb> Hm, a bus stop under a bridge is not unrealistic. 14:05:41 <fjb> And the bridge is not coded in the map, only the bridge heads are. 14:06:09 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 14:06:09 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 14:07:17 <SmatZ> fjb: maybe it was in old versions, but now it is coded in the map array 14:07:27 <SmatZ> static inline bool IsBridgeAbove(TileIndex t) 14:07:31 <SmatZ> return GB(_m[t].m6, 6, 2) != 0; 14:09:43 <fjb> Oh, hm, but the bus stop could harly share map bits with a bridge anyway. 14:13:07 <Sacro> we need a new map array 14:13:09 <Sacro> xml based :p 14:14:04 <Belugas> huhu... Sacro has just declared hmself volunteer for a big rewrite of the map array system 14:14:22 <Belugas> please, send us your work in..let say... 2 years? ;) 14:14:23 <Sacro> oh foo :( 14:15:35 * Sacro will start later 14:15:46 <fjb> The map struct needs some claening up. Looks not that intuitive with lots of nameless bits. 14:17:06 *** mode/#openttd [+v orudge] by ChanServ 14:17:15 <fjb> Sacro: You could implement a layerd map. That wouls allow singnals on bridges and in tunels. 14:17:15 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A2BA7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 14:17:18 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A2BA7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #openttd [] 14:17:26 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.broadband.tele.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:17:54 <Sacro> fjb: mmm, well i'm going to uni to hand in an assignment, then maybe going climbing 14:17:58 <Sacro> but i'll look into it later 14:18:00 <Sacro> bye! 14:18:43 <fjb> :-) 14:18:45 <fjb> Bye 14:20:10 <ln-> http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/11/07/school.shooting/index.html 14:21:58 <SmatZ> fjb: I have done something that way 14:22:04 <SmatZ> but it needs more work 14:23:05 <fjb> SmatZ: I saw a screen shot of trains going in a circle in a tunel. Was that your screen shot? 14:23:19 <SmatZ> yes 14:24:51 <fjb> That looked great. 14:25:54 <SmatZ> thanks :) 14:26:11 <SmatZ> now I am trying to solve problem with diagonal bridges 14:26:17 <SmatZ> and bridges at all 14:26:26 <SmatZ> how to draw them the best way 14:27:39 <fjb> I often missed diagonal bridges and tunels. 14:28:22 <fjb> That will be a big improvement when it gets into trunk one day. 14:34:16 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truelight * r11388 /trunk/src/helpers.hpp: 14:34:16 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Fix: postfix ++ returned new value, should (ofcourse) be old value (SmatZ) 14:34:16 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Fix: prefix ++ didn't exist, added it 14:40:53 *** Greyscale [~Greyscale@90.241.168.2] has joined #openttd 14:41:49 *** |fjb| [~frank@p5485E7DA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:44:41 <SpComb> Logs: http://spbot.marttila.de:8120/logs/oftc-ottd (old: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd ) 14:44:41 <|fjb|> !logs 14:46:34 <huma> SpComb, damn, sorry about the school shooting 14:48:44 *** fjb [~frank@p5485EAE8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:49:44 *** Diabolic1Angel [~dia@xdsl-84-44-209-106.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 14:50:04 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@xdsl-81-173-234-111.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:52:26 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@xdsl-84-44-156-221.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 14:57:54 *** Diabolic1Angel [~dia@xdsl-84-44-209-106.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:02:49 *** Greyscale [~Greyscale@90.241.168.2] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:03:25 *** Greyscale [~Greyscale@user-5af1a802.tcl121.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 15:04:19 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.broadband.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 15:04:39 <SpComb> it's not really related to me in any way, I just heard about it, those kind of incidents aren't very common in Finland 15:05:07 <SpComb> based on story comments, most recent one was 15-20 years ago with a bully-victim shooting his bullys 15:07:35 <huma> yea, that's what shocking. such a nice, cosy country and.. shame 15:10:18 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.broadband.tele.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:10:53 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.broadband.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 15:15:54 <ln-> the killer had put his plans and manifesto online before the incident. 15:17:30 <ln-> one of his finnish texts he ended with a sentence that is quite a direct translation of the phrase "Jedem das Seine". 15:24:40 <SmatZ> strange nobody tried to stop him 15:25:41 <huma> yea, doesn't finnish intelligence monitor the forums? 15:25:57 <ln-> some things were put online only less than an hour before the incident, some yesterday. 15:28:41 <SmatZ> I read it has been online 14 days before the accident 15:28:52 *** elmex [~elmex@e180065005.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:28:55 <SmatZ> so I wonder if finnish students don't browse interne 15:29:07 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1E4B3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:29:20 *** elmex [~elmex@e180065005.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 15:31:00 *** frosch123 [~mtce@kolmogoroff.math.tu-clausthal.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:34:33 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has joined #openttd 15:36:28 <SpComb> ln-: do they still exist online? I found the YouTube video via google, but it had been removed for TOS violations... 15:37:06 <huma> there's one on rapidshare 15:37:15 <ln-> SpComb: http://www.kimmo.org/jokela/ http://www.appelsiini.org/tuusula_mirror/ http://baanaweb.fi/hannu.luhtasela/tuusula/ 15:37:18 <SpComb> SmatZ: his friends had noticed him doing shooting-related stuff, but apparently they were told it was a joke 15:37:35 <huma> http://ict.mayulive.com/1194444639844.jpg 15:37:38 <huma> that's the guy 15:38:26 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A2BA7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 15:38:29 <skidd13> Hi 15:38:33 <TrueBrain> hi skidd13 15:38:44 <huma> oh, TrueBrain's alive :) 15:39:19 <skidd13> Can someone confim that the road-construction for towns is broken? 15:39:27 <SmatZ> :-/ 15:39:32 <SmatZ> skidd13: in what way? 15:39:43 <SmatZ> it is working for me 15:40:32 <skidd13> The roadworks don't were removed. Might be that it's a compiler thing, cause I'm at UNI ATM and can't check it. 15:41:16 <SmatZ> there is some option in TTDPatch, that engines won't ever disappear from the engine list... how is this done in OTTD? 15:41:28 <SpComb> seven dead, 1 adult and six children? 15:41:44 <SpComb> even Radio Rock is talking about it 15:42:06 <SmatZ> skidd13: I just started road reonstruction in one town, i will let you know 15:42:14 <glx> SmatZ: vehicle never expire in patches 15:42:17 <skidd13> SmatZ: configure patches -> Vehicles never expire 15:42:39 <SmatZ> skidd13: yes, in is a bug 15:42:43 <SmatZ> *it 15:42:50 <SmatZ> glx: skidd13 thanks 15:44:05 <skidd13> Hmm, IIRC there is some usage of the new templates. I'll have a look at it later. Or if someone minds to have a look at it earlier... ;) 15:44:14 <SmatZ> :) 15:57:07 *** Peakki [antti@cs181247045.pp.htv.fi] has joined #openttd 15:58:31 *** gule [~Administr@tm.84.52.149.249.dc.cable.static.telemach.net] has joined #openttd 16:04:19 *** Greyscale [~Greyscale@user-5af1a802.tcl121.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:17:31 *** Tefad [~tefad@c-71-63-10-8.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:24:06 *** Tefad [~tefad@c-71-63-10-8.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 16:26:35 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-163-29.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Quit: The ending changes tone & is actually quite sad - but it involves a scene of necrophilia, so that's just another plus in my book.....] 16:32:42 *** NukeBuster [~opera@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 16:38:00 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-163-29.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 16:46:29 *** |Bastiaan| [~kvirc@77.60.199.140] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:49:10 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 16:53:05 *** NukeBuster [~opera@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:55:01 *** Tefad [~tefad@c-71-63-10-8.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:55:53 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50c79a03.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 16:55:54 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 16:56:49 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@212.24.150.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:00:13 *** NukeBuster [~opera@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 17:00:23 *** Tefad [~tefad@c-71-63-10-8.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 17:01:24 *** Nitehawk [~nitehawk@c-98-200-106-108.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:08:19 *** NukeBuster [~opera@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:09:08 *** Nitehawk [~nitehawk@c-98-200-106-108.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 17:11:03 *** glx|away [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 17:11:04 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx|away] by ChanServ 17:11:56 *** mcbane [~Maui_key@p5498EA06.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 17:12:59 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:13:45 *** AntB [~AntB-UK@81.140.78.25] has joined #openttd 17:15:12 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A2BA7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #openttd [] 17:15:12 *** glx is now known as Guest16 17:15:12 *** glx|away is now known as glx 17:17:22 *** Guest16 [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:19:29 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-91-129.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 17:25:13 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host50-236-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 17:25:29 <Wolf01> hello 17:26:37 <Bjarni> hi 17:29:00 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~dex@i577B668A.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:30:38 *** smoovi [smoovi@e178222232.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: #idlerpg] 17:30:39 *** |Bastiaan| [~kvirc@ip87-205-173-82.adsl2.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 17:31:15 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-108-106.fttx.bbned.nl] has joined #openttd 17:33:29 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A47061.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:39:20 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~dex@i577B668A.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 17:46:14 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 17:55:39 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:00:27 *** Peakki [antti@cs181247045.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: LÀhdössÀ] 18:04:48 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@212.24.150.226] has joined #openttd 18:07:32 *** Osai is now known as Osai^Kendo 18:08:18 *** dihedral_ [~dihedral@dslb-084-056-214-160.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 18:09:32 *** dihedral is now known as Guest21 18:09:33 *** dihedral_ is now known as dihedral 18:09:45 *** Guest21 [~dihedral@joshua.dihedral.de] has quit [Quit: have been replaced] 18:12:27 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.broadband.tele.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:13:20 *** |fjb| is now known as fjb 18:18:00 *** Wolf01 is now known as Guest24 18:18:00 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host247-239-dynamic.16-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 18:19:59 *** |Bastiaan| [~kvirc@ip87-205-173-82.adsl2.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:20:02 *** G_ [~njones@202-154-149-26.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #openttd 18:20:58 *** AntB [~AntB-UK@81.140.78.25] has quit [Quit: *poof!* I am gone -=- Using ChatZilla] 18:21:47 *** G [~njones@202-154-149-26.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:23:57 *** Guest24 [~wolf01@host50-236-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:25:13 *** |Bastiaan| [~kvirc@ip87-205-173-82.adsl2.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 18:25:49 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@212.24.150.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:26:54 *** G [~njones@202-154-149-26.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #openttd 18:28:42 *** G_ [~njones@202-154-149-26.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:29:37 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@212.24.150.226] has joined #openttd 18:37:38 *** Ammller [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-136-211.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 18:38:43 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:39:09 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@212.24.150.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:41:34 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-91-129.adslplus.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:44:43 *** Wolf01|AWAY [~wolf01@host85-157-dynamic.60-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 18:44:43 *** Wolf01 is now known as Guest25 18:44:43 *** Wolf01|AWAY is now known as Wolf01 18:47:16 *** Wolf01 is now known as Guest27 18:47:16 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host114-239-dynamic.16-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 18:49:48 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@212.24.150.226] has joined #openttd 18:50:37 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 18:51:02 *** Guest25 [~wolf01@host247-239-dynamic.16-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:52:47 *** Guest27 [~wolf01@host85-157-dynamic.60-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:01:54 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1E4B3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:02:34 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@212.24.150.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:09:21 *** LordAzamath [~chatzilla@pc211.host25.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 19:10:14 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@212.24.150.226] has joined #openttd 19:14:05 *** LordAzamath [~chatzilla@pc211.host25.starman.ee] has quit [] 19:15:07 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:18:19 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@212.24.150.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:21:52 *** Wolf01 is now known as Guest28 19:21:52 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host227-232-dynamic.16-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 19:26:52 *** Guest28 [~wolf01@host114-239-dynamic.16-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:27:11 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 19:38:40 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@212.24.150.226] has joined #openttd 19:39:35 *** Wolf01 is now known as Guest29 19:39:35 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host231-235-dynamic.4-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 19:40:17 *** Zr40 [~zr40@2001:960:786:0:21b:63ff:fe9e:ab24] has joined #openttd 19:42:35 *** Sacro [Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:42:41 *** McHawk [~hawk@p5489F179.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:42:59 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:43:25 *** raimar2 [~hawk@p5489F974.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:44:15 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 19:44:34 *** Osai^Kendo [~Osai@pD9EB52FA.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 19:45:52 *** Guest29 [~wolf01@host227-232-dynamic.16-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:46:57 *** yorick [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 19:49:52 *** dihedral [~dihedral@dslb-084-056-214-160.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: night night] 19:50:46 *** McHawk [~hawk@p5489F179.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:57:12 *** Unnamed-KLBK- [~UnnamedKL@aaxy240.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 19:57:36 *** Zr40 [~zr40@2001:960:786:0:21b:63ff:fe9e:ab24] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:57:43 *** Zr40 [~zr40@2001:960:786:0:21b:63ff:fe9e:ab24] has joined #openttd 20:01:49 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@212.24.150.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:04:16 *** Unnamed-KLBK- [~UnnamedKL@aaxy240.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has left #openttd [Mówisz po polsku? Zapraszam na #polska_] 20:04:49 <SpComb> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjOfd7ax5IA <-- it's really interesting to read his text on the right, and the YouTube comments on the left (partially in Finnish, mind) 20:05:22 <SpComb> his text makes for an interesting analysis, and the YouTube comments then show a sample of how accurate his text is... 20:08:14 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A47061.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 20:09:15 <Wolf01> eh, i already seen it this afternoon 20:09:57 *** camgirl29 [~camgirl29@ANantes-257-1-9-151.w90-31.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 20:11:35 *** camgirl29 [~camgirl29@ANantes-257-1-9-151.w90-31.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [] 20:11:52 <SpComb> "seen it"? 20:12:48 <SpComb> the video's irrelevant, I'm talking about his essay on the right hand side, and the comments on the left hand side under the video 20:13:07 <Prof_Frink> Why is SpComb still here? 20:13:11 <SpComb> it wasn't a school shooting, it was political terrorism 20:13:24 <SpComb> bah, youtube links and youtube links 20:13:46 <SpComb> I'm not linking to the video, I'm linking to his essay in the video description, and how well the comments reflect the content of that 20:14:50 <SpComb> insane, issue, americal culture, culture+nazi accusation, mind-sick, insane, insane, wacko (medical or political?), mind-sick, insane 20:17:18 <SpComb> ...america, idiot, generic, idiot, not sure, bastard, generic, idiot/insult, not sure, insane/insult, not sure, troll, mind-sick+jail, not sure, generic, wackos, ouch... "you killed my best friend", generic, burn in hell, fuck you, sick, doesn't deserve to live... need I go on? 20:21:03 *** jenny20 [~jenny20@ANantes-257-1-9-151.w90-31.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 20:21:54 *** yorick [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: gnight!] 20:22:18 *** jenny20 [~jenny20@ANantes-257-1-9-151.w90-31.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [] 20:23:37 <fjb> The more he is in the press with his full name and the more attantion he gets, the earlier this happens again. It would help, if the press would never tell the name of a person who did things like that. So he gets famous for a few hours. If the press doesn't tell his name, he will not get famous. 20:24:34 <SpComb> indeed, it was terrorism - as far as I can tell, the reason he did it was to get his message out 20:25:10 <SpComb> so I'm just interested in seeing how the media portrays it - will it reflect the YouTube comments, or will it actually follow what he wrote? 20:29:43 <fjb> He murdered to get his messageout and to get famous. The more people and press talk about him, the more right he gets, and the next crazy murderer follows his path. Thinks like that are bad, but they will only stop if they only cause a small note in the press, without telling the murderers name or intentions. That is the only way to stop it. 20:29:57 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 20:30:27 <SpComb> fjb: I don't agree with you 20:30:44 <SpComb> trying to supress his political message won't solve anything 20:31:32 <fjb> Not trying to suppress a message, but supress a message, when it should get spread by killing people. 20:32:15 <fjb> If you spread the message like he intended, his way workked. That encourages others to follow him. 20:32:31 <SpComb> his choice of how to spread is message was stupid, and thankfully people spreading their opinions like that is very rare, in relation to how many people have political opinions 20:33:47 <SpComb> although his means of spreading his message was somewhat relevant to his beliefs (humanity is overrated/natural selection/the human race is not worth fighting for or saving... only worth killing), I've not really considered at the relationship between those two yet 20:33:49 <fjb> More and more people follow that way, look at the USA, look at Germany. 20:34:14 <SpComb> fjb: Columbine and Erlangen don't have anything to do with this, those were school shootings 20:34:17 <SpComb> as far as I can tell 20:34:41 <SpComb> if I've remembered those correctly 20:34:55 <SpComb> meh, this has more to do with 9/11 or such 20:35:40 <fjb> It doens't matter if somebody shoot at a school, an university or any other place. The pattern is the same. That people get unhered and unknow till the kill some people. That makes them famous and gets their message out. Independed of what the message actually is. 20:35:54 <SpComb> except on a smaller scale, and his beliefs aren't really so much political as about the state of our society (although there's a certain amount of politics in there as well, the "the human race is not worth fighting for or saving... only worth killing" isn't really politics though) 20:36:59 <fjb> Everybody is free to think that, but nobody same actually does it. 20:37:32 <fjb> That is not political, that is no terrorism, that is a sick mind trying to get attaebtion. And he got attention, he won. 20:37:49 <fjb> sane, not same 20:38:00 <SpComb> still don't think that supressing his message would reduce such terrorism incidents 20:38:47 <fjb> It would not reduce terrorism as a whole, but it would reduce losome shootist getting their message into the news. 20:38:57 <fjb> lonesome 20:39:43 <SpComb> at the cost of misunderstanding the reasons behind what has happaned 20:39:54 <SpComb> re the YouTube comments blaming the american culture 20:40:09 <SpComb> this incident doesn't have anything to do with gun laws either 20:40:15 *** Wolf01 is now known as Guest36 20:40:15 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host187-61-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 20:40:27 <SpComb> unless you're only going to give gun permits to people with the correct political beliefs 20:40:32 <fjb> What is american culture? I always thought that does not exist. 20:40:36 *** liona29 [~liona29@ANantes-257-1-9-151.w90-31.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 20:40:51 <SpComb> some kind of generic term used to represent action movies, I guess 20:40:56 *** liona29 [~liona29@ANantes-257-1-9-151.w90-31.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [] 20:41:01 <SpComb> perhaps it's the culture behind Columbine 20:46:07 *** Guest36 [~wolf01@host231-235-dynamic.4-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:47:12 <SpComb> s/Erlangen/Erfurt/ 20:47:38 *** Rafagd [~kvirc@BHE200150044021.res-com.wayinternet.com.br] has joined #openttd 20:47:43 <fjb> No, nobody kills real people only because he played action games. Else we would wait weeks at a station and enter the next train arriving. 20:48:44 <Rafagd> fjb: where you're reading it 20:48:46 <Rafagd> ? 20:48:58 <fjb> That all were lonesome people with a sick mind who tried to get attention. No culture is to blame. The friends and family are partly to blame to not see what would be coming and to help him before he got that strange ideas. 20:49:03 <SpComb> Rafagd: we're discussing the recent incident of political terrorism at a finnish high school 20:50:01 <fjb> That incident is at a line with Erlangen, Columbine, etc. The people murder to get attention. The more attention they get, the soner the next one will follow them. 20:50:12 <fjb> It's plain simple, and evil. 20:50:27 *** gule [~Administr@tm.84.52.149.249.dc.cable.static.telemach.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:50:49 <fjb> One step would be to let them unheard, to never tell their name. that would discourage other to follow them. 20:50:52 <SpComb> the guy behind Erlangen got expelled from his school a couple months before it, and had continued leaving his house every day to "go to school" - his parents didn't know he was out of school 20:51:06 <Rafagd> fjb: SpComb what is the crime's game, this time? 20:51:14 <SpComb> don't think there were any political or ideological motives there 20:51:24 <SpComb> Rafagd: none 20:51:53 <fjb> Just hating mankind is no ideology. 20:52:34 <fjb> He used some political phrases, but that makes him not different from the others. 20:53:28 <Rafagd> SpComb: that is pretty rare, since every crime of that kind, is generally linked to a random game cenary that reminds the local 20:53:29 <Rafagd> =\ 20:54:02 <Rafagd> like that guy who shooted in everyone on a cinema => Duke Nuken 20:54:03 <Rafagd> =\ 20:54:05 <fjb> Rafagd: What game are you talking aout? 20:54:14 <fjb> about 20:54:48 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-214-41.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 20:55:04 <Rafagd> fjb: wait 20:55:07 <fjb> There is no evidence that games máke murderers. Poloticans tell that. 20:55:17 <Rafagd> fjb: problems translating my words 20:55:18 <SpComb> Virginia Tech - shy, frail, wary of physical contact, speculations of autism, depression, selective mutism (a social anxiety), tried to get therapy but didn't, bullied for speed difficulties, all this since early childhood 20:55:20 <Rafagd> >< 20:56:00 <SpComb> *speech difficulties 20:56:29 *** byq [gcichowski@chello089079047107.chello.pl] has joined #openttd 20:56:39 <Rafagd> fjb: many murders that press put the blame on games 20:56:53 <Rafagd> are said to be related to a game 20:57:30 <Rafagd> like the guy who shooted on a cinema years ago... 20:57:31 <SpComb> indeed, I'm waiting with interest to see how the Finnish media responds 20:58:01 <fjb> To blame games is the easiest way to go. You don't have to think about what society did wrong, why nobody knew about his mind etc. There would be many questions to answer if you don't blame games. 20:58:24 <fjb> Nobody wants to answer that question, not the politicians, not the press. 20:58:31 <Rafagd> they said that he did it because of Duke Nukem's first level, where you shoot on monsters in a cinema 20:58:38 <SpComb> yeah right 20:59:06 <fjb> How many murderes would kill whole cities, if playing duke nukem caused that behavior? 20:59:29 <SpComb> games don't cause violence like that - if the conditions are right, and the person is already instable/etc, then they may have some kind of effect, depending on what the conditions are 20:59:50 <Rafagd> fjb: i think that put blame on game is so many levels wrong... 20:59:52 <Rafagd> like 21:00:05 <Rafagd> Someone go and kill many people 21:00:11 <fjb> They may have an effect if the person thinks about really killing people anyway. 21:00:14 <Rafagd> he never played a game 21:00:39 <Rafagd> but, to argue with insanity, he put the blame on the game, and get a lessen penal 21:00:49 <fjb> Thats right. Some of tha murderers never played games like that. 21:01:26 <fjb> Blaming games is easy for everybody. Notbody wants to know the truth. 21:01:33 *** |Bastiaan| [~kvirc@ip87-205-173-82.adsl2.versatel.nl] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 3.2.6 Anomalies http://www.kvirc.net/] 21:01:42 <Rafagd> fjb: brazil had another problem like that 21:02:06 <Rafagd> people blaming RPG's 21:03:02 <fjb> Games got bamed around the world. But the true reason is never a game, nowhere around the world. 21:03:05 <SpComb> Jack Thompson 21:03:29 <SpComb> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Thompson_(attorney) 21:03:32 <Rafagd> two or three murders had RPG books on the scene, so they got all "OMG! IT'S THE DEMON ITSELF!!one1" then bame on RPG 21:04:23 * fjb played RPGs and never thought about killing anybody... 21:04:59 * Rafagd has just killed his friend in real life because of RPG!!11 OMG 21:05:00 <Rafagd> =\ 21:05:11 *** Wezz6400_ [~Wezz6400@145-118-108-106.fttx.bbned.nl] has joined #openttd 21:05:17 *** Wezz6400_ [~Wezz6400@145-118-108-106.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [] 21:06:16 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A42EA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:06:18 <skidd13> Hi 21:06:24 <SpComb> hai 21:06:31 <Rafagd> oi 21:07:01 *** Wolf01 is now known as Guest38 21:07:01 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host41-232-dynamic.15-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 21:07:42 <fjb> Hi skidd13 21:10:15 *** Zavior [~zavior@d195-237-7-209.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:10:16 <skidd13> TrueBrain: I think RafaÅ Rzepecki found a bug in the AB() template. ... I'm on the way to fix it. 21:11:39 *** Wolf01 is now known as Guest39 21:11:39 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host203-233-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 21:12:44 *** byq [gcichowski@chello089079047107.chello.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:13:21 *** Guest38 [~wolf01@host187-61-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:13:55 <SpComb> oh, the Tuusula shooter died an hour ago 21:15:49 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB52FA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:16:13 <SmatZ> an hour ago? 21:16:19 <SmatZ> didn't he die afternoon? 21:16:36 *** Guest39 [~wolf01@host41-232-dynamic.15-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:16:55 <SpComb> he shot himself, but didn't die 21:17:01 <SmatZ> ah 21:17:25 <skidd13> Can any dev please check the fix: http://paste.openttd.org/278 21:18:15 *** byq [gcichowski@chello089079047107.chello.pl] has joined #openttd 21:19:11 <SmatZ> does it work? 21:19:17 <SmatZ> it doesn't update x 21:19:33 <SmatZ> skidd13: 21:20:15 <skidd13> Opps 21:20:31 <skidd13> My fault 21:20:39 <skidd13> A damned typo 21:22:35 <skidd13> http://paste.openttd.org/279 21:24:51 <SmatZ> I know you didn't ask me, but :) maybe "mask" would be more intuitive name for tmp 21:25:30 <glx> would be more logical yes 21:27:25 <skidd13> SmatZ, glx: If the devs feel better with mask, they should be able to do a ":%s /tmp/mask/g" 21:29:39 <skidd13> This fixes the road construction error too :) 21:32:01 <skidd13> SmatZ, glx: Satisfied? -> http://paste.openttd.org/280 21:32:36 <glx> better yes :) 21:34:01 *** Peakki [antti@cs181247045.pp.htv.fi] has joined #openttd 21:35:58 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: egladil * r11389 /trunk/ (5 files in 5 dirs): -Fix [FS#1386]: Replace calls to deprecated API with newer ones and handle broken iconv declaration in OSX 10.5. 21:35:59 <SmatZ> skidd13: nice 21:36:29 <SmatZ> skidd13: devs could do, but they don't like to do it themselves :) 21:37:24 <Bjarni> I could do a whole lot of stuff to the source (and I have plans for it) but I lack unlimited time :( 21:37:58 <Bjarni> would be nice to even get time for more than just eating, sleeping and uni stuff... just for a start 21:39:12 <skidd13> Bjarni: As everyone in here ;) Our time is free time and allway limited 21:39:17 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl51B65D75.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 21:39:27 <skidd13> :%s /allway/allways/ 21:39:36 <SmatZ> yes, everyone has lack of time 21:40:02 <SmatZ> so devs don't want to spend their time fixing others' patches, when the author can do that... 21:40:19 <Bjarni> I don't even have time to fix my own patches :( 21:40:24 <Prof_Frink> skidd13: If you're going to cerrect it, correct it right 21:40:43 <Prof_Frink> Yes, there's a typo in that. 21:42:09 <SmatZ> :( 21:42:12 <skidd13> Prof_Frink: Where? 21:43:38 <Prof_Frink> "cerrect" 21:44:51 <skidd13> Prof_Frink: HÀÀÀ??? What error are you talking about? 21:45:45 <Prof_Frink> in yours? allways->always 21:47:49 <skidd13> Ahh. Damn. I wondered myself. Somehow it looked strange, but I wasn't able to find out what. ;) But thanks that you mentioned. It helps always to increase my knowledge of the english language. 21:48:37 <Belugas> time to go home :) 21:48:44 <Belugas> see youi maybe tonight 21:48:49 <skidd13> CU 21:49:05 <Prof_Frink> skidd13: That's rule #1273 of English: If it looks odd, it's spelled right. 21:54:25 <fjb> Frensh is easier: If it sounds good, it is right. That helped me a lot at school. :-) 21:57:15 *** Zr40 [~zr40@2001:960:786:0:21b:63ff:fe9e:ab24] has quit [Quit: Zr40] 21:57:50 <glx> Frensh ? 21:59:06 <fjb> French. :-) Didn't I say it is easier than English? 21:59:36 * SpComb confuses everybody by talking in Finnish 22:01:14 <fjb> When the first nokia phones got to the marked outside Finnland, you could get the new owners mad when you changed the language to Finnish. :-) 22:03:56 <Prof_Frink> fjb: If you're gonna do that, you change the language to aomething with non-latin characters 22:05:00 <skidd13> The most manuals are multilangual. Compare the language stuff and you get normaly the equivalent. ;) There's no problem for me. 22:06:41 <fjb> Finnish was bad enough on the first nokia phones. It is different enough to make people helpless. 22:07:13 <fjb> skidd13: It's no problem today, that was years ago. 22:18:19 *** Peakki [antti@cs181247045.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: LÀhdössÀ] 22:18:30 <Benito> Bjarni :D 22:20:08 *** byq [gcichowski@chello089079047107.chello.pl] has left #openttd [] 22:29:29 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-164-75.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 22:31:44 <TrueBrain> skidd13: you were looking at the AB patch? 22:31:59 <skidd13> TrueBrain: yup 22:34:14 <TrueBrain> k :) You post what ever your findings are? 22:34:23 <TrueBrain> btw, nice replies on the bridges :) 22:34:49 <TrueBrain> ah, you posted it already ;) 22:34:49 <TrueBrain> hehe 22:34:52 <skidd13> :D 22:34:54 <skidd13> yup 22:35:05 *** Farden [~jk3farden@AMontsouris-156-1-118-246.w83-202.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )] 22:37:29 <TrueBrain> bad mistake skidd13, bad bad bad :p :p :p :) 22:37:55 <TrueBrain> Rafa? Rzepecki did find it pretty quick, not bad :) 22:39:08 <skidd13> agreed :( Nobodys perfect. 22:39:40 <skidd13> TrueBrain: How many people overlooked it too? :P 22:39:45 <skidd13> ;) 22:40:08 <TrueBrain> skidd13: sssttt :p 22:40:12 <TrueBrain> I was trying to hide that fact :) 22:40:35 <skidd13> It's open source so no place to hide :D 22:41:04 <TrueBrain> :'( 22:41:05 <TrueBrain> hehe :) 22:41:06 <skidd13> even the bugs are licenced under GPL :D :D 22:41:19 *** Sacro [Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 22:42:09 <Sacro> rawr 22:42:41 <fjb> GPL is kind of a viral licence, that means, everybody who uses a piece of GPLed code must also use the bugs. :-) 22:43:17 <TrueBrain> don't you just love it? 22:45:00 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 22:52:36 <skidd13> TrueBrain: What do you think about: http://maillist.openttd.org/pipermail/patch/2007-November/000028.html 22:54:21 <SmatZ> skidd13: does it also disable power plant's smoke movement? 22:54:29 <SmatZ> from original TT grf 22:54:33 <SmatZ> TTD 22:54:37 <skidd13> SmatZ: I'm not sure. 22:55:23 * skidd13 tests it 22:55:56 <Wolf01> 'night 22:55:59 <skidd13> night 22:56:01 <TrueBrain> night Wolf01 22:56:03 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host203-233-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 22:56:07 <TrueBrain> finally I am in time before he leaves ;) 22:59:33 <skidd13> SmatZ: nope. So I've to add a check there too ;) 23:01:48 <fjb> Ups, I can add tram tracks to somebody elses road bridge, but I'm not llowed to remove them. 23:01:49 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl51B65D75.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:03:15 <SmatZ> :-) 23:09:19 <fjb> Now it's the highlight of an unused and insane long wood bridge that was build by the ai. Why do they buy the fastest busses but are still building wood bridges? 23:12:58 <Eddi|zuHause3> because the AI is stupid 23:13:10 *** lola22 [~lola22@ANantes-257-1-9-151.w90-31.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 23:13:18 *** lola22 [~lola22@ANantes-257-1-9-151.w90-31.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [] 23:17:38 <fjb> That is no reason to be that stupid... 23:17:42 <skidd13> SmatZ: Disabling the smoke looks buggy 23:18:18 <Eddi|zuHause3> it should rather remove smoke alltogether, not just stop it from moving 23:18:28 <Rubidium> skidd13: you know your 'real full animation disable'-patch is a desyncer? 23:19:48 <skidd13> Rubidium: So disable it at the loop not at the initial loading? 23:20:11 <Rubidium> that's the problem... the game state can be changed in the animation loops 23:20:27 <Rubidium> and game state changes that are not done on every client == desync 23:20:47 <skidd13> Uohh :( Not nice... Any idea for a solution? 23:21:04 <glx> don't disable them 23:21:08 <Rubidium> there is no solution, except disabling it server side 23:21:18 <Rubidium> but then you most likely break some NewGRFs 23:21:43 <Rubidium> as they might use the animation state for the production callbacks and such 23:21:51 <glx> some industries uses animation to store some states 23:22:00 <Rubidium> something I expect to happen in some of the ECS vectors 23:22:49 <skidd13> Hmmpf... :( 23:25:23 <skidd13> good night 23:25:25 <TrueBrain> night skidd13 23:25:27 <TrueBrain> nice day :) 23:25:29 <Rubidium> the disable animation only disables sprite animations 23:25:35 <Rubidium> i.e. magic colours 23:25:43 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A42EA.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [ZZZzzzz.] 23:28:23 *** mode/#openttd [+v Bjarni] by ChanServ 23:29:49 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1E4B3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:29:56 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r11391 /trunk/ (bin/data/dosdummy.grf src/gfxinit.cpp src/table/files.h): -Change: print all error messages related to missing/corrupted files in one message including the location where they can get said missing/corrupted files. 23:30:51 <ln-> Bjarni: how's the kangaroo? 23:31:12 *** ludde [~ludde@ua-83-227-238-252.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:39:24 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Quit: May the ducttape be with you] 23:41:47 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-108-106.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [Quit: 2440457725] 23:47:07 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]