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00:01:41 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: is FS#1315 fixed? 00:05:14 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: glx * r11402 /trunk/src/ (industry_cmd.cpp table/build_industry.h): -Fix [FS#1382]: incorrect handling of industry behaviour 'must be in town with population large than 1200' 00:14:45 <ln-> if i have f(const A&), is it true that i cannot pass an instance of B to f(), even if B is derived from A? 00:15:24 <ln-> like i of course could with pointers. 00:15:37 <Rubidium> IMO it should be possible to pass B, but that doesn't warrant it working in C++ 00:16:53 <ln-> hmm, or did i simply make a stupid error with using and not using const.. 00:17:01 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-142-7.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:20:05 <ln-> that seems quite probable 00:28:54 *** Lord [~Lord@cable-dynamic-87-245-83-24.shinternet.ch] has joined #openttd 00:29:18 <Lord> hello everyone, is there any AI specialist around? 00:30:18 <Rubidium> depends on which part of what AI 00:30:56 <Lord> I'm looking for the meaning of the ai member variable 'route_type_mask' 00:31:14 <Lord> for a little project i'm doing 00:32:10 <Rubidium> then I fear there's nobody who is specialist in that AI 00:32:23 <Lord> it's kind of used in the AiCheckIfRouteIsGood routine but I just can't figure out what it does 00:32:28 <Lord> oh too bad 00:34:28 <Rubidium> neither can I 00:34:39 <Lord> damn this whole bitmasking is just too nasty 00:35:03 <Rubidium> there's your reason the 'default' AI isn't maintained 00:35:12 <Lord> yeah, heh 00:36:24 <Rubidium> if you want to change/make an AI you better look at the NoAI branch 00:37:11 <Lord> nah, I need to understand the old, original AI. It's for the SVXConverter, you know... 00:37:36 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~dex@i59F7F696.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:38:14 <Lord> so I'm actually digging into the OpenTTD code to get to understand what original TTD does 00:39:20 <Rubidium> you'd better get the oldest version of OTTD you can find 00:39:33 <Lord> i did, it's 0.1.4 00:39:35 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~dex@i59F7F696.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 00:40:18 <Lord> that's the oldest source code available on sourceforge 00:41:55 <Rubidium> anyway, it give me the feeling it's 'forcing' that it builds only one 'route' for each transportation type at a time 00:42:12 *** Addi [~ttdx@cable-dynamic-87-245-83-24.shinternet.ch] has joined #openttd 00:43:48 <Lord> yeah it has to do with transportation types (bitmask = 1: rail, 2: road, 4: aircraft), but don't ai players only build one transortation route at a time anyway? 00:44:39 <Rubidium> I've got absolutely no idea 00:44:51 <Lord> :-D 00:45:35 <Lord> alright then, thanks, have a nice WE 00:46:23 *** Lord [~Lord@cable-dynamic-87-245-83-24.shinternet.ch] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 00:54:19 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r11403 /trunk/src/industry_cmd.cpp: -Fix: NewIndustries GRF assume that tiles are already animated during construction. 00:54:47 *** Tom [Tom@75-134-119-108.dhcp.aldl.mi.charter.com] has joined #openttd 00:55:23 <Tom> so i got a question 00:55:32 <Tom> how do you know what newgrfs work with 0.5.3? 00:56:11 <Tom> i host a pretty popular US-based server and newgrf hell is making me want to jump off a bridge 00:56:13 <Rubidium> there isn't a simple way to know whether they work, however... on the wiki is a list with GRFs that are known to work 00:56:13 *** Tom is now known as tomthebomb 00:56:20 <tomthebomb> i checked that 00:56:26 <tomthebomb> however, i think it's outdated 00:56:37 <Rubidium> why? 00:56:50 <tomthebomb> for instance, i tried loading the TTRS3 newgrf 00:56:52 <tomthebomb> in 0.5.3 00:56:55 <tomthebomb> and i made a game 00:57:00 <tomthebomb> and everything displayed perfectly fine 00:57:07 <tomthebomb> whereas in the wiki it says it requires nightlies 00:57:17 <tomthebomb> yet i'm unsure why 00:57:29 <Rubidium> well... TTRS 3 does not work properly in 0.5.3, that's something I'm 100% sure of 00:57:55 <Rubidium> or rather, it doesn't work at all 00:58:10 <tomthebomb> how though 00:58:27 <tomthebomb> or rather; what is broken about it? 00:58:29 <glx> you get only road and depot/station replacement 00:58:41 <glx> and miss all buildings 00:58:48 <tomthebomb> certainly not... 00:58:49 <Gonozal_VIII> http://gonozalviii.go.funpic.de/OpenTTD/newgrf.htm <-- that are the grfs i use but in the nightlies, not in 0.5.3... but i think most of them should work 00:59:10 <Rubidium> the NewGRF TTRS uses to "replaces" the houses is not implemented in 0.5.3 00:59:22 <tomthebomb> I'm really confused then 00:59:26 <tomthebomb> because I do get new buildings and stuff 00:59:35 <tomthebomb> and I'm not counting depots/stations 00:59:40 <tomthebomb> i'm counting city buildings 00:59:41 <Belugas> i bet you are using the new town replacemnt one... 00:59:45 <tomthebomb> nope 00:59:46 <Rubidium> then you are not using TTRS3 *or* you are not using 0.5.3 00:59:46 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@212.24.150.226] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:59:50 <tomthebomb> i am using TTR3s 00:59:50 <Belugas> that is not ttrs 00:59:53 <tomthebomb> and i am using 0.5.3 00:59:58 <tomthebomb> i will take a screenshot for you 01:00:04 <Belugas> tomthebomb, it's IMPOSSIBLE 01:00:13 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@212.24.150.226] has joined #openttd 01:00:20 <tomthebomb> then i guess i did the impossible? 01:00:33 <tomthebomb> hell if i know, i'm really just trying to figure out what works and what does not 01:00:39 <glx> well show us how it look 01:00:48 <tomthebomb> more than happy to 01:03:38 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@212.24.150.226] has quit [] 01:05:05 <tomthebomb> maybe i am stupid 01:05:10 <tomthebomb> but this looks like the buildings are replaced 01:05:12 <tomthebomb> http://netriver.mirror.waffleimages.com/files/8a/8a3127411885cc0501b693e31cc159099b0dc8c6.png 01:05:48 <Rubidium> and the newgrf list? 01:07:11 <tomthebomb> http://netriver.mirror.waffleimages.com/files/7d/7de60d26696f8d2002e79e5ab13bf042666f41fd.png 01:07:14 <Gonozal_VIII> i don't know those tall buildings but rest seems to be standard 01:07:24 <tomthebomb> none of those are standard 01:07:26 <tomthebomb> well 01:07:30 <tomthebomb> except for the stadium i think maybe 01:07:40 <Phazorx> glx silly mingw/msys question 01:07:46 <Phazorx> how do i append soemtihng to path 01:08:13 <Phazorx> somehoe it did not inherit current path from win env, but i dotn feel like rebooting 01:09:08 <glx> set path=bla;%path% in cmd 01:09:22 <Phazorx> well in cmd it show correct path 01:09:30 <Phazorx> in export | grep path in msys 01:09:32 <Phazorx> it does not 01:09:36 <Gonozal_VIII> http://gonozalviii.go.funpic.de/OpenTTD/titlescreen.png <-- titlescreen without grfs loaded 01:09:37 <glx> should be something similar in msys but with $path 01:09:47 <Phazorx> i tried set ${PATH}=$PATH.';C:\Mercurial' 01:09:47 <Gonozal_VIII> most of your buildings are there 01:09:50 <Phazorx> no effect 01:10:43 <tomthebomb> most, but not all 01:10:48 <glx> export PATH=$PATH:/c/Mercurial 01:10:51 <tomthebomb> where did those others come from? 01:11:16 <Phazorx> thank you 01:11:22 <Phazorx> should ahve done it "normal way" 01:11:49 <glx> msys uses linux way ;) 01:11:51 <Gonozal_VIII> i think i have never seen the tall buildings there even with ttrs 01:12:02 <tomthebomb> i do not recognize those tall buildings 01:12:41 <Rubidium> well... TTRS3 has some effect on 0.5.3, but not the effect that it should have 01:13:08 <fjb> tomthebomb: That buildings are not from TTRS, looks like the are ordinary buildings from trocpic climate. 01:13:17 <glx> all simple replacement (action A) work 01:13:32 <glx> but that's all 01:13:46 <tomthebomb> so it partially works 01:13:49 <tomthebomb> but just barely 01:13:55 <tomthebomb> it does replace some graphics 01:14:33 <Rubidium> yes, but does that mean it works correctly? 01:14:47 *** Addi [~ttdx@cable-dynamic-87-245-83-24.shinternet.ch] has quit [] 01:14:51 <Rubidium> it's rather that OTTD behaves incorrectly by even trying to load TTRS 01:15:23 <tomthebomb> fair enough 01:15:55 <glx> hey we could disable grf trying to use unsupported features ;) 01:15:59 <Belugas> tomthebomb, this is what arctic looks like with ttrs: http://devs.openttd.org/~belugas/arctic-ttrs.png 01:16:28 <glx> road style is date dependant 01:16:30 <tomthebomb> so what i ended up with 01:16:36 <tomthebomb> was something that was kinda bugged out 01:16:37 <Rubidium> glx: that's already done by action B 01:17:01 <Belugas> not really, it was simple graphics replacment 01:17:28 <glx> Rubidium: I meant unsupported action 0 features for example 01:17:44 *** tomthebomb [Tom@75-134-119-108.dhcp.aldl.mi.charter.com] has left #openttd [] 01:17:48 *** tomthebomb [Tom@75-134-119-108.dhcp.aldl.mi.charter.com] has joined #openttd 01:18:12 <Belugas> tomthebomb: look here: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=20781 01:18:21 <Belugas> yu'll have more of the same medecine, 01:18:27 <Rubidium> glx: all GRFs check for those 'flags' newrvs etc 01:18:32 <Belugas> just graphics replacement, nothing more 01:19:03 <tomthebomb> okay, now my next question is 01:19:13 <tomthebomb> is there a solid way to know what newgrfs work with what nightlies? 01:19:40 <Rubidium> no 01:19:45 <Ammller> [02:15] <glx> hey we could disable grf trying to use unsupported features <-- I hope not :) 01:20:10 <Rubidium> though currently a lot more NewGRFs are supported by the nightlies than 0.5.3 01:20:24 <glx> Ammller: but would be funny to disable grf trying to replace original strings 01:20:30 *** Jello [ok@S01060060080d1060.gv.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:20:39 <glx> as we don't support it 01:20:44 <tomthebomb> are there any kind of milestones that are guaranteed usable nightlies 01:20:48 <tomthebomb> or are there just nightlies 01:21:06 <Ammller> tomthebomb: nightlies are nice 01:21:14 <Rubidium> 'guaranteed' usable nightlies are called stables 01:21:44 <tomthebomb> and 0.5.3 is the latest stable 01:21:53 <Ammller> we play with nightlies all the time 01:21:56 <Sacro> most nightlys are stable 01:21:59 <Belugas> the latest, the better grf support it has, generally 01:22:33 * Sacro snags openttd-svn from AUR 01:22:56 <tomthebomb> im a little wary of running a stable 01:22:58 <Ammller> you don't need luck to have a stable nightly, you need "bad luck" to have a unstable 01:23:01 <tomthebomb> on a production server 01:23:04 <tomthebomb> er, a nightly 01:23:05 <tomthebomb> rather 01:24:59 <Belugas> how many servers do you run? 01:25:13 <tomthebomb> i run just one openttd server 01:25:17 *** ludde [~ludde@ua-83-227-238-252.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:25:19 <tomthebomb> its pretty popular though 01:25:47 <Belugas> ask if they are willing to try a nightly game once in a while 01:26:10 <Sacro> trade stability for new features 01:26:13 <Belugas> you'll see how stable it will really be 01:26:26 <Sacro> to be honest 01:26:29 <tomthebomb> i dont think id like making them update every day though 01:26:34 <tomthebomb> or even every week 01:26:36 <Sacro> when we played on Brianetta's Nightly, very few nights where there any serious bugs 01:26:58 <Ammller> same at #openttdcoop 01:27:09 <Gonozal_VIII> updating is done in less than a minute 01:27:41 <Ammller> and you don't have to do it nightly, you can do it if you like a new feature... 01:27:49 <Sacro> rm *.pkg.tar.gz" target="_blank">pkg.tar.gz && versionpkg && pacman -U *.pkg.tar.gz" target="_blank">pkg.tar.gz 01:28:08 <Sacro> or once a week 01:28:12 <tomthebomb> heh 01:28:14 <tomthebomb> they run windows 01:28:26 <tomthebomb> im the only one running anything Linux related 01:28:35 <tomthebomb> and its because my server's running Debian 01:29:12 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 01:29:23 <Ammller> A compile furm does support you with winbins 01:29:55 * Sacro huggles his ArchLinux machines 01:29:58 <tomthebomb> thats true 01:31:27 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B76E3A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:33:17 <tomthebomb> does anyone have an example pack of newgrfs that will work with the latest nightly? 01:33:44 <Gonozal_VIII> [01:58:48] Gonozal_VIII: http://gonozalviii.go.funpic.de/OpenTTD/newgrf.htm <-- that are the grfs i use but in the nightlies, not in 0.5.3... but i think most of them should work 01:34:13 <Gonozal_VIII> not a pack... but links 01:34:40 <Sacro> tomthebomb: www.ppcis.org/standard 01:34:44 <Sacro> that has a nice grf pack 01:34:48 <Sacro> though actually, it isn't nightly 01:34:56 <Sacro> openttdcoop has anice set 01:35:12 <tomthebomb> i just really hate getting stuck in grf hell 01:35:17 <tomthebomb> apt-get newgrfs please 01:35:22 <tomthebomb> just kidding :v 01:35:22 <Sacro> haha 01:35:27 <Sacro> brb 01:35:49 <Ammller> tomthebomb: hmm, you can use our grfpack, if you like 01:36:07 <Sacro> holy... 01:36:10 <Sacro> these fonts are ftw 01:37:01 <Gonozal_VIII> fonts? 01:37:52 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B753B4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:37:54 <tomthebomb> Ammller- which? 01:38:10 <Ammller> http://openttdcoop.ppcis.org/wiki/index.php/GRF 01:38:16 <Sacro> just installed cairo-lcd 01:38:21 <Sacro> and freetype-lcd 01:39:03 <Ammller> but please link only to this page, don't distribute it self and don't link to achive files directly 01:39:46 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: belugas * r11404 /trunk/src/ (main_gui.cpp news_gui.cpp): -Codechange: remove 2 magical numbers 01:40:57 <tomthebomb> Ammller: what revision do you use? 01:41:09 <tomthebomb> for openttd 01:41:11 <Ammller> nightly 01:41:20 <Ammller> :) 01:41:34 <tomthebomb> which nightly? 01:41:36 <tomthebomb> the most recent? 01:41:42 * Sacro prods Ammller "nightly" is not a version 01:41:42 <Ammller> or sometimes also patched versions 01:41:45 <Sacro> nor is "latest" 01:42:09 <Ammller> Sacro: and what should I say :) 01:43:03 <Ammller> currently we use r11394 with shared and offshore patch 01:43:20 <Ammller> nice newwater 01:43:38 <tomthebomb> thank you 01:43:41 <tomthebomb> this will help me a lot 01:44:08 <Ammller> hmm, and see at bottom, we list all servers, which uses the pack 01:46:06 * fjb is using r11399. 01:47:45 <Ammller> and tomthebomb: and we also update the pack almost monthly 01:50:12 <Sacro> gah 01:50:20 * Sacro appears to be grabbing the whole of mono svn 01:57:17 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:09:32 *** paul_ [~paul@91.186.11.8] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:10:51 *** Dephenom [~paul@91.186.11.8] has joined #openttd 02:30:52 <Ammller> good night all 02:49:07 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N853P009.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:59:18 *** Ammller [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-166-11.adslplus.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:04:42 <fjb> Good night 03:04:45 *** fjb [~frank@p5485CD7F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 3.2.0 'Realia'] 03:20:56 *** xerxes [user@xerxes.foocode.net] has joined #openttd 03:25:30 *** shodan [user@xerxes.foocode.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:25:31 *** xerxes is now known as shodan 03:27:27 *** tomthebomb [Tom@75-134-119-108.dhcp.aldl.mi.charter.com] has quit [] 03:38:10 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 04:10:40 *** SERVEPRO_ [~SERVEPRO_@71.114.48.3] has joined #openttd 04:12:20 *** pPACO_BAN [Pavel@CPE0011d8690c25-CM001225db7ae8.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #openttd 04:12:56 *** Phazorx [PACO@CPE0011d8690c25-CM001225db7ae8.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:14:19 *** Nitehawk [~nitehawk@c-98-200-106-108.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:16:02 *** Nitehawk [~nitehawk@c-98-200-106-108.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 04:17:06 *** SERVEPRO [~SERVEPRO_@71.114.48.3] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:34:47 *** Gekz [~gekko@CPE-121-217-203-4.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:35:07 *** Gekz [~gekko@CPE-121-217-203-4.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 04:37:49 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1EE3C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:50:14 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1FBAA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 04:57:15 *** SERVEPRO_ [~SERVEPRO_@71.114.48.3] has quit [Quit: SERVEPRO_] 05:44:41 *** pPACO_BAN is now known as Phazorx 06:57:19 *** Nitehawk [~nitehawk@c-98-200-106-108.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:59:06 *** Frostregen_ [~sucks@dslb-084-058-130-230.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 07:01:03 *** Nitehawk [~nitehawk@c-98-200-106-108.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 07:04:37 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-189-051.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:04:46 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 07:27:21 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-166-11.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 07:48:42 *** shodan [user@xerxes.foocode.net] has quit [Quit: Client Exiting] 07:59:23 <Tefad> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1O2jcfOylU 08:16:30 *** Ammller [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-139-131.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 08:20:44 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-166-11.adslplus.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:24:10 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@pool-71-98-83-82.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 08:29:00 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-83-82.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:34:47 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-83-82.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 08:40:00 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@pool-71-98-83-82.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:56:27 *** Soup [Soup@2-128-58-66.gci.net] has joined #openttd 08:57:25 *** Soup [Soup@2-128-58-66.gci.net] has quit [] 09:03:17 *** Nitehawk [~nitehawk@c-98-200-106-108.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:04:00 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 09:04:12 *** Nitehawk [~nitehawk@c-98-200-106-108.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 09:05:19 <Eddi|zuHause2> <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: is FS#1315 fixed? <- didn't check in quite a while... 09:05:32 *** Soup [HydraIRC@2-128-58-66.gci.net] has joined #openttd 09:11:13 <Soup> whats c# 09:12:49 <Rubidium> a programming language 09:12:54 <Soup> oh 09:13:45 <Eddi|zuHause2> a music note half a tone higher than c 09:14:13 <Soup> wow 09:14:41 <Eddi|zuHause2> (which is kinda how the name was derived, since C++ and D was already taken :p) 09:15:16 <Soup> c-- 09:15:29 <Tefad> that's what i would have called it 09:15:43 <Tefad> but that implies it's less than something and microsoft wouldn't have any of that... 09:15:52 <Tefad> ballmer might throw a chair at you. 09:16:07 <Tefad> or F--king Kill(TM) you. 09:16:32 <Soup> is there d++ 09:16:42 <Eddi|zuHause2> probably 09:16:47 <Soup> :) 09:17:20 <Soup> [00:16] <Tefad> or F--king Kill(TM) you. ? 09:17:29 <Tefad> http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Steve_Ballmer 09:17:40 <Soup> wow 09:18:11 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1FBAA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Progman] 09:18:21 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1FBAA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:18:26 <Tefad> speak of the devil 09:18:29 <Tefad> ; ) 09:19:39 <Soup> someone ever got in a dryer 09:20:12 <Soup> stuff to do that http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/HowTo:Fit_Inside_a_Dryer 09:24:29 *** egladil [~egladil@83.233.184.124] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:26:09 <Soup> chicken coops 09:27:35 <Soup> http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Chicken ehehehehhehehe 09:29:39 * Soup would slap Soup, but is not being violent today 09:29:51 <Eddi|zuHause2> [Fr Okt 12 2007] [22:19:17] <SpComb> Chicken chicken chicken --> http://pub.marttila.de/r/mgAAAA 09:31:36 <Soup> hahahahaahhahahaha 09:31:39 * Soup slaps Soup's bottom and grins cheekily 09:32:16 <Eddi|zuHause2> (probably related, didn't check:) [Fr Okt 12 2007] [22:16:48] <SpComb> http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/improb/air/2006/00000012/00000005/art00006 <-- Chicken chicken chicken chicken chicken chicken chicken chicken chicken chicken chicken chicken chicken chicken chicken chicken chicken. 09:33:32 * Soup slaps Soup and starts getting carried away 09:36:27 <Soup> 'village dump???? 09:37:26 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause2: have you checked it now? 09:37:53 <Eddi|zuHause2> was compiling, but then got distracted... wait a few minutes 09:38:15 * Rubidium slaps Soup ;) 09:38:25 <Rubidium> must've been Soup that distracted you ;) 09:38:59 <Soup> pee review!!! 09:39:08 * Soup slaps Soup with a large smelly trout 09:39:11 *** ludde [~ludde@ua-83-227-238-252.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 09:41:40 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has joined #openttd 09:41:52 <Eddi|zuHause2> appears to be fixed, yes 09:42:28 <Rubidium> wonderfull 09:43:33 <Soup> fixed what? 09:43:52 <Eddi|zuHause2> your mouth... 09:45:32 <Soup> hydra irc 09:45:40 <Eddi|zuHause2> Rubidium: it might have been that he distracted be, but it was the length of the compilation that made me vulnerable to distraction in the first place ;) 09:45:47 <Soup> [00:45] CTCP/VERSION request from SmatZ : 09:47:38 <Soup> [00:46] ctcp/dcc Send to SmatZ of New.Text.Document.txt Completed (Sent 2KB of 2KB) huh? 09:48:19 <Soup> owww a slap in chrisin chanel 09:48:41 <Soup> owww 09:48:47 <Eddi|zuHause2> "I think" is very convincing :p 09:49:10 <Soup> slap from #openttd.ChrisIN 09:49:36 <Eddi|zuHause2> hm... 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One of them is "dbg:[NET] Server could not start network: bind failed()" 12:03:51 <MaSch> What can i do to solve this? 12:03:55 <blathijs> MaSch: Could it be that there is some other server listening at the port? 12:04:00 <blathijs> (netstat -nl) 12:04:09 <blathijs> !openttd ports 12:04:18 <blathijs> hmm, no !? 12:04:34 <blathijs> DorpsGek: openttd ports 12:04:34 <DorpsGek> blathijs: OpenTTD uses TCP and UDP port 3979 for server <-> client communication and UDP port 3978 for masterserver (advertise) communication (outbound) 12:05:08 <Rubidium> DorpsGek reacts on @, _42_ on ! 12:05:08 <MaSch> okay. it seems to be that problem ^^ 12:05:46 <MaSch> other port works 12:06:21 <blathijs> Rubidium: Then _42_ is broken :-) 12:06:42 <Rubidium> no, _42_ doesn't know !openttd ports 12:06:57 <Rubidium> it's you that assumes that _42_ does have !openttd ports 12:07:08 <Eddi|zuHause2> !openttd port 12:07:08 <_42_> Eddi|zuHause2: OpenTTD uses TCP and UDP port 3979 for server <-> client communication and UDP port 3978 for masterserver (advsertise) communication (outbound) 12:07:37 <Eddi|zuHause2> i make that mistake every time, too ;) 12:07:42 <Eddi|zuHause2> it should really be fixed... 12:08:24 <blathijs> Rubidium: Ah, it was port, not ports :-) 12:09:22 <Eddi|zuHause2> yeah, it should really react on both, but TrueBrain seems to be reluctant to listen to user suggestions... 12:10:10 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause2: excuse me?! 12:10:13 <Rubidium> well, _42_ should be ditched too ;) 12:11:00 <MaSch> is there a possibilit to connect directly to the openttd server with telnet/ssh? 12:11:04 <Eddi|zuHause2> well, this suggestion is as old as the command itself, and still not implemented ;) 12:11:10 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A7AD8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:11:14 <skidd13> morning 12:11:15 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause2: what 'suggestion'? 12:11:33 <Rubidium> MaSch: you can, but it won't do what you want it to do I guess 12:11:40 <Eddi|zuHause2> that _42_ not only reacts on "port" but also on "ports" 12:11:53 <MaSch> okay 12:12:40 <TrueBrain> @openttd port 12:12:40 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: OpenTTD uses TCP and UDP port 3979 for server <-> client communication and UDP port 3978 for masterserver (advertise) communication (outbound) 12:12:50 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause2: _42_ is dead, as I always said 12:12:53 <TrueBrain> use DorpsGek, not _42_ 12:12:59 <TrueBrain> and if you find this reluctant, you can kiss my ass 12:13:15 <Eddi|zuHause2> well, then why is he still here? 12:13:38 <Eddi|zuHause2> it's just that people try "!openttd ports" and nothing happens 12:14:05 <Rubidium> well... if _42_ wouldn't be here, !openttd ports wouldn't do anything either... 12:14:26 <Eddi|zuHause2> you could then make DorpsGek react on "!" too 12:14:38 <Eddi|zuHause2> like any other bot i know does... 12:15:12 <hylje> well maybe that's why it doesnt react on ! 12:15:29 <Eddi|zuHause2> i always do "!", i never ever think about trying "@" 12:15:50 <TrueBrain> I think that is the problem of your small mind 12:15:54 <TrueBrain> not a problem of the bots 12:16:10 <Eddi|zuHause2> well, i don't think about doing "!" either, it's more like a reflex 12:16:45 *** _42_ [truelight@81.171.98.110] has left #openttd [] 12:16:48 <Eddi|zuHause2> and reflexes usuall don't even make it to the "small brain" ;) 12:16:52 <TrueBrain> so there you go 12:17:01 <TrueBrain> and now don't come wining to me if you need a function from _42_ 12:17:04 <TrueBrain> that is on you, Eddi|zuHause2 12:17:05 <Eddi|zuHause2> no, ther he goes ;) 12:18:12 <Eddi|zuHause2> i'm fine with _42_ leaving... 12:18:24 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-83-82.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 12:18:49 <TrueBrain> and as you are clearly our only user, let's hope its enough 12:19:34 <Eddi|zuHause2> err... 12:20:04 <Eddi|zuHause2> i think you got up on the wrong foot today... 12:20:14 <TrueBrain> no, I think I found it rather offensive what you said 12:20:45 <Eddi|zuHause2> it wasn't meant like that... 12:21:02 <Rubidium> skidd13: you know that there can't be duplicate source filenames, right? And TrueBrain wanted to show http://rbijker.net/openttd/misc/guideline.txt to you. 12:22:29 <Eddi|zuHause2> anyway... i was doing something completely different, which i am going back to now... 12:23:05 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause2: it is not often people call me 'reluctant' when I work my ass of for something.. 12:23:27 <TrueBrain> and if one person currently listens to user suggestions, as in replying to each patch-email there is... it is not a nice thing to read 12:27:10 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truelight * r11405 /trunk/src/window.cpp: -Fix: in rare cases OpenTTD could segfault when resizing and scroll the main window (Rafal Rzepecki) 12:29:50 <skidd13> Rubidium: Thanks 12:30:01 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r11406 /trunk/src/newgrf_engine.h: -Fix: wrong triggers would be activated on callback 32 for vehicles. 12:32:35 *** DJ_Mirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: www.sexybiggetje.nl] 12:34:14 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-131-13.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 12:34:58 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truelight * r11407 /trunk/src/ (5 files): -Fix: do not allow building of tram-tracks when they are not available (SmatZ) 12:35:26 <Ammller> [13:12] <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause2: _42_ is dead, as I always said <-- will he also leave #openttdcoop ? 12:36:11 <Gonozal_VIII> do not allow building of tram-tracks when they are not available <-- i don't get that... 12:36:21 <TrueBrain> hmm, now I remember why _42_ was still here... log-files 12:36:22 <TrueBrain> oh well 12:36:25 <TrueBrain> no log files for #openttd I guess 12:36:35 <TrueBrain> Ammller: I guess not, if you guys don't ask 12:38:04 <Ammller> nice :) 12:42:55 <skidd13> I've been working on the mergeo of the 3 FindFirstBit algorithms and now I got a damned assertion in tile.h. Has anyone time to help me finding the reason? 12:43:14 <skidd13> :%s /mergeo/merge/g 12:44:01 <Eddi|zuHause2> assertions are hints for logic errors, so if you trigger an assertion, you either did something wrong, or the logic changed since the introduction of the assert 12:44:45 <Eddi|zuHause2> in the first case the code should be changed, in the second case, the assertion should be changed 12:45:07 <skidd13> Eddi|zuHause2: The problem is that assert has nothing directly to do with the change :( 12:45:35 <Eddi|zuHause2> i certainly have no idea what you actually did right now 12:45:58 *** TrueBrain [truelight@81.171.98.110] has left #openttd [So long and tnx for all the fish] 12:46:10 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host203-233-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 12:46:57 <Wolf01> hello 12:47:41 <Eddi|zuHause2> i kinda expected to get some kind of hint now ;) 12:52:35 <skidd13> Eddi|zuHause2: The current patch is on the patch-mail-list 12:55:50 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:05:06 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r11408 /trunk/src/airport_movement.h: -Fix [FS#1422]: do not do a 270 degree turn when 90 degrees is enough on a commuter airport. 13:13:16 *** |Bastiaan| [~kvirc@e28236.upc-e.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 13:15:10 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 13:16:24 *** lolman is now known as John 13:16:47 *** John is now known as lolman 13:18:46 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 13:18:46 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:32:19 *** Kommer_ is now known as Kommer 13:37:56 *** Unknown_Entity [~UnknownEn@dslb-084-063-007-094.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 14:26:26 *** michi_cc [6da616f902@dude.icosahedron.de] has quit [Quit: michi_cc] 14:26:42 *** michi_cc [f4460812e7@dude.icosahedron.de] has joined #openttd 14:32:32 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truelight * r11409 /trunk/ (readme.txt src/lang/english.txt src/misc_gui.cpp): -Update: as of now, I am a retired Developer, so mark me as such 14:32:39 *** fjb [~frank@p5485CD7F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:32:44 <fjb> Moin 14:42:02 *** |fjb| [~frank@p5485DB13.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:48:42 *** fjb [~frank@p5485CD7F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:50:11 *** |fjb| is now known as fjb 15:12:24 *** yorick [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 15:12:39 <yorick> Truebrain retired? 15:15:59 *** yorick [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [] 15:19:02 *** Chaladirnik [~Ranke@p5B17EE93.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:20:00 <Chaladirnik> hi i havent played openttd in half a year... have there been some larger improvements wrt the AI in single player? 15:20:53 * fjb doesn't think so. 15:23:28 *** JVassie [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 15:23:45 <JVassie> Hi all, a quick question please 15:24:04 <JVassie> whats the latest stable build (if any) that includes the PBS Patch please? 15:24:47 <glx> http://nightly.openttd.org/MiniIN/files/ 15:26:37 <JVassie> so its only MiniIN that has it? 15:27:08 <glx> yes 15:27:14 <glx> and it's very old 15:27:53 <Gonozal_VIII> imho the other new features in trunk outweight pbs by far 15:28:44 <JVassie> Possibly, however it forces you to have IMO unrealistic junctions 15:29:08 <JVassie> because trying to use realistic type ones without PBS never works effectively 15:29:48 *** fjb is now known as fjbAWAY 15:30:19 <Gonozal_VIII> trains often made stupid path choices that blocked the whole junction anyways 15:30:35 <JVassie> hmm 15:30:51 <JVassie> basically i just wanted a version that allowed me to use English Town names and PBS 15:33:11 <JVassie> do you know why PBS isnt in the trunk anyway? 15:34:05 <LeviathNL> because nobody rewrote it for the current trunk 15:35:56 <Gonozal_VIII> it was up to date with trunk when the miniin was still active but i think there were still some bugs in it 15:36:54 <JVassie> one of the best patchs IMO 15:47:27 *** Ailure [Cat@194.47.44.201] has joined #openttd 15:49:38 <SmatZ> skidd13: hello, two or three days ago you wanted me to test something... 15:49:45 <SmatZ> is it still valid? 15:54:38 <skidd13> SmatZ: I'm still thinkin over it. 15:57:39 <skidd13> SmatZ: http://paste.openttd.org/288 ATM I've got 3 different solutions, but all seem to be slower than the current solution. 15:59:41 *** DJ_Mirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 16:00:28 <SmatZ> skidd13: yes, the last one is very ellegant 16:02:03 <skidd13> SmatZ: The last one is from misc.cpp 16:05:54 *** fjbAWAY is now known as fjb 16:25:22 <SmatZ> oh no... 16:25:27 <SmatZ> TrueLight is gone 16:25:30 <SmatZ> maillist is gone 16:25:31 <SmatZ> :-( 16:25:36 <SmatZ> everything is gone! 16:25:38 <SmatZ> almost... 16:25:58 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@212.24.150.226] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:26:21 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 16:31:00 <skidd13> SmatZ: Nothing is forever, but I'd say changes are not bad. Fresh blood in old veins. ;) 16:32:20 <SmatZ> :-) 16:36:44 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.broadband.tele.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:38:52 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:43:28 *** OTTD [~OTTD@spc1-port4-0-0-cust94.cosh.broadband.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 16:44:31 <Ailure> shame about the maillist though 16:44:34 <OTTD> Hi 16:44:36 <Ailure> kinda funny how it only existed for a week 16:44:54 <SmatZ> yes 16:45:01 <SmatZ> hi 16:45:12 *** OTTD [~OTTD@spc1-port4-0-0-cust94.cosh.broadband.ntl.com] has quit [] 16:50:24 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@212.24.150.226] has joined #openttd 16:52:47 *** Addi [~ttdx@cable-dynamic-87-245-83-24.shinternet.ch] has joined #openttd 16:53:45 <Eddi|zuHause2> <JVassie> do you know why PBS isnt in the trunk anyway? <- PBS was in trunk until early 2006, i believe 16:53:47 *** Chaladirnik [~Ranke@p5B17EE93.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:53:57 <Eddi|zuHause2> it was removed because it was buggy and not maintainable 16:54:00 <JVassie> :( 16:54:03 <JVassie> thats a buggah 16:54:42 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A7AD8.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [ZZZzzzz.] 16:54:44 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A7AD8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:02:39 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A7AD8.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [ZZZzzzz.] 17:07:29 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 17:14:20 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB48A7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:22:59 *** Peakki [antti@cs181247045.pp.htv.fi] has joined #openttd 17:31:24 *** csaba [~chatzilla@catv5403081A.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 17:32:44 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 17:45:35 *** SERVEPRO [~SERVEPRO_@pool-71-114-48-3.washdc.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 17:51:23 *** csaba [~chatzilla@catv5403081A.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:53:20 *** MarkSlap [~me@81-232-62-139-no42.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 17:56:15 <slafs_> Does the latest nightly compile on leopard? 17:56:29 <glx> yes and no 17:56:33 <glx> IIRC 17:56:44 <slafs_> what is the 'no' part? 17:56:54 <SmatZ> slafs_: I think there were some problems, but it should work 17:56:58 <slafs_> okay 17:57:05 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r11410 /trunk/src/ (8 files): -Codechange: implement random triggers for industries. 17:57:23 <SmatZ> but there may be more problems, not discovered yet 17:57:31 <slafs_> atm I'm messing with xcode tools to even get make and gcc into /usr/bin, then I'll try to compile 17:57:36 <glx> slafs_: http://bugs.openttd.org/task/1386 17:58:18 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r11411 /trunk/src/ (newgrf_engine.cpp newgrf_house.cpp newgrf_house.h town_map.h): -Codechange: implement random triggers for houses. 17:59:08 <slafs_> glx: okay, the last comment gives me hope :) 18:00:50 <LeviathNL> Rubidium, when I toggle transparency with the r11411 pikka's donkeys change direction. They also don't nod anymore 18:01:29 <Rubidium> uhm... 18:01:52 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A7AD8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:02:47 <Rubidium> LeviathNL: isn't that what it's supposed to do? 18:03:16 <skidd13> @seen KUDr 18:03:16 <DorpsGek> skidd13: KUDr was last seen in #openttd 2 weeks, 4 days, 3 hours, 38 minutes, and 49 seconds ago: <KUDr> good 18:03:25 <skidd13> hmm not good 18:03:49 <LeviathNL> they change direction, ingame while playing. 18:04:05 <LeviathNL> that a bit double but you get the point 18:05:58 <Rubidium> LeviathNL: are they still animated with r11409? 18:06:16 *** Farden [~jk3farden@AMontsouris-156-1-172-146.w83-202.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 18:08:36 <LeviathNL> It looks like every time the industry is redrawn they change direction, also when moving over the industry with a cursor that highlights tiles (autorail, demolition, etc.) 18:08:58 <LeviathNL> Rubidium, they also did not nod in r11409, my mistake 18:16:48 *** Zuu [~Leif@c-153c71d5.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 18:22:20 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r11412 /trunk/src/ (industry_cmd.cpp industry_map.h newgrf_spritegroup.cpp): 18:22:20 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Fix (r11403): animation was not turned on properly. 18:22:20 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Fix (r11410): wrong assumption about random reseeds made the whole thing reseed way too often, making the animation look very ugly. 18:22:22 <Rubidium> LeviathNL: better? 18:23:55 <LeviathNL> seems perfect :) nice work 18:26:31 <LeviathNL> svn.openttd.org does'nt update... again :( 18:26:38 <LeviathNL> doesn't 18:26:43 <Rubidium> it does 18:26:50 <skidd13> Rubidium: nice work with the file guideline 18:26:51 <Rubidium> it only takes up to 10 minutes 18:27:52 <skidd13> Rubidium: What about moving all the math related functions and macros to math_func.h ? 18:29:02 <Rubidium> I'm currently fairly limited on time and I want to get the bugs fix so we can start a release cycle 18:29:12 <Rubidium> s/fix/fixed/ 18:31:20 <Rubidium> but the idea itself is okay by me 18:31:29 <skidd13> sure, bugs go fist, especial due to limed time ;) 18:31:35 <fjb> Oh, 0.6 is coming? 18:31:41 <Ammller> could someone of you tell me, whats wrong with my firefox: http://img2.myimg.de/firefoxttforum89a1c.png 18:32:06 <Ammller> its only on tt-forums and this page looks nice with opera. 18:32:10 <Rubidium> fjb: well... it was coming about a year ago too 18:32:14 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: glx * r11413 /trunk/src/newgrf_engine.cpp: -Fix [FS#1405]: don't use cached override spriteset for callbacks 18:32:22 <skidd13> Ammller: tried clearing the cache? 18:32:56 <fjb> Hm, FreeBSD 7.0 and OpenTTD 0.6 wouzld be cool. :-) 18:33:30 <Rubidium> SmatZ: still playing that Retard game? 18:33:57 <LeviathNL> Ammller, where did you get the breadcrump like adressbar 18:34:13 <fjb> Ammller: Looks like some style sheets are missing. maybe the server is a bit busy. Try to reload. 18:34:49 <SmatZ> Rubidium: I use it for testing 18:35:10 <SmatZ> last time I played it was maybe two years ago... 18:35:10 <Ammller> fjb: I have this problem with the page since about 3 days 18:35:57 <Ammller> LeviathNL: its the default skin, imo 18:36:29 <Ammller> skidd13: clearing cache has also no effect, :( 18:37:11 <skidd13> Ammller: Any Addblock tool? 18:43:29 <Rubidium> skidd13: you can help by solving bugs though ;) 18:43:54 <skidd13> Rubidium: which one? 18:43:58 <Rubidium> or implementing some stuff that should be done for 0.6 18:44:30 <Rubidium> skidd13: 1388 would be nice to have fixed, or implementing a 'proper' planespeed patch, so people can still play with the original speed 18:44:36 <glx> <skidd13> Rubidium: which one? <-- there's a choice on bugs.openttd.org ;) 18:44:59 <Rubidium> but especially the ones marked 'Due in Version 0.6.0' 18:45:52 *** Unknown_Entity [~UnknownEn@dslb-084-063-007-094.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:46:06 <skidd13> Anyone working at FS1388? 18:46:15 <Rubidium> not that I am aware of 18:48:11 * glx just saw someone's comment in 1388, a nice one :) 18:48:52 <SmatZ> :-) 18:49:12 <Zuu> I didn't read someone as a username, so I found Rubidiums answer a but comfusing.. :p 18:52:44 *** huma [~huma@89.19.167.191] has joined #openttd 18:55:21 *** israelite [~israelite@bzq-79-181-241-241.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #openttd 18:55:26 <israelite> shalom 18:55:42 <israelite> where can I find the original TTD? 18:56:06 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50c79a03.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 18:56:09 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 18:56:12 <israelite> I have it on my old computer but I now have a new computer 18:56:18 <Rubidium> israelite: on your TTD CD ROM? 18:56:22 <Rubidium> or in a store 18:56:35 <Bjarni> sample.cat? 18:56:38 <Gonozal_VIII> you only need some files, you can copy them from your old computer 18:56:50 <Bjarni> what store sells sample.cat+grf files today? :) 18:56:52 <israelite> my old computer is dead 18:56:55 <SmatZ> http://www.amazon.com/Transport-Tycoon-Deluxe/dp/B0006HIIJM or an old one... wow, even with a CDROM 18:57:23 <Zuu> israelite: unless your harddrive is dead you can probably mount it in your new one? 18:57:32 * fjb got TTD from a shop listed on eBay UK. 18:57:33 <Bjarni> yeah move your HD 18:57:46 <israelite> my new computer is a laptop :) 18:57:52 <israelite> it is a macbook 18:57:57 <Bjarni> you are making this complicated :P 18:58:00 <israelite> so maybe I can mount it 18:58:03 <Zuu> Buy an USB-HD case. :) 18:58:13 <Bjarni> yeah or a firewire-HD case 18:58:16 <Bjarni> they are faster 18:58:17 <Eddi|zuHause2> get the HD to a friend who can copy your data files 18:58:17 <israelite> I got the opening in the back... 18:58:25 <israelite> oh wait... 18:58:33 <israelite> the macbook uses sata right? 18:58:35 <fjb> israelite: You still should have the original CD rom that you bought. 18:58:42 <Bjarni> you can't add a 3.5" disc to a macBook 18:58:57 <Gonozal_VIII> i think if you have the files just not accessible it should be somewhat "legal" to download them... 18:59:01 <Bjarni> well, not directly 18:59:04 <israelite> fjb: if I can find it.... 18:59:08 <Bjarni> you need an USB/firewire case 18:59:29 <israelite> okay I think my friend has one... 18:59:34 <israelite> will give him a call. 18:59:44 <fjb> israelite: Then you have a problem. The licence is coupled to that CD ROM. 19:00:01 <Bjarni> I have yet to find an USB/firewire case that lacks OSX support 19:00:14 <Bjarni> basically everything I touched just worked 19:00:28 <Bjarni> so that's 3 out of 3 :D 19:00:58 <Gonozal_VIII> is it illegal to download something you already bought? 19:01:29 <israelite> that would be country law related 19:01:34 <SmatZ> Gonozal_VIII: in some countries it is, in some countries it is legal only if you have the original data, in some countries you mayb download anything you want 19:01:36 <Bjarni> you only purchased a license to have it on ONE computer and israelite already has it on one computer 19:01:40 <israelite> I am in Israel so I don't know 19:01:46 <Bjarni> nobody said that the computer has to be bootable :P 19:01:52 <fjb> Gonozal_VIII: It depends if that is illegal. But in any case you should have the original cd rom to show that you own a licence. 19:02:50 <Gonozal_VIII> bjarni, you say that if i want to play games on my pc and my laptop i have to purchase them twice? 19:02:52 <Bjarni> <israelite> I am in Israel so I don't know <-- you are in the country with most pirated downloads/population and you don't know if bad stuff will happen if you pirate a more than 10 years old game? 19:03:01 <Bjarni> Gonozal_VIII: I think so 19:03:05 <Gonozal_VIII> O_o 19:03:40 <israelite> I only moved here three weks ago! 19:04:16 <Bjarni> why would anybody want to move to a country with suicide bombers? 19:04:19 <israelite> into a nice peaceful country side village with 250 people 19:04:25 <Bjarni> oh 19:04:50 <israelite> Bjarni: there haven't been any bombers except one since thy started building that wall 19:04:51 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A7AD8.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [ZZZzzzz.] 19:04:52 <Bjarni> but still.... why? :) 19:05:00 <israelite> nice landscape 19:05:06 <israelite> good people and food 19:05:15 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A7AD8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:05:25 <israelite> so is it legal to download it in Israel? 19:05:54 <Ammller> israelite: I guess, it isn't, but do you really care? 19:06:30 <Bjarni> <israelite> so is it legal to download it in Israel? <-- I think it's more like: everybody else would do that and nothing happens to anybody so.... 19:06:42 <israelite> so humm 19:06:55 <israelite> I have never downloaded such stuff before 19:07:02 <Bjarni> I don't think any US company would sue people in Israel... USA kind of protects Israel 19:07:08 <Bjarni> but 19:07:19 <fjb> Gonozal_VIII: You usually have the licence only for one computer. You can't buy one Windows and istall it on your whole company with 1000 computers. 19:07:23 <Bjarni> I can't tell you to download it illegally for legal reasons ;) 19:07:38 <valhallasw> fjb: technically you can ;) 19:07:44 <israelite> what would I use to download it? 19:07:50 <Bjarni> firefox? 19:07:52 <israelite> torrent? 19:08:00 <israelite> or kazaa? 19:08:02 <hylje> you can obtain a copy of Linux and install it to every box you come across 19:08:10 <israelite> lol 19:08:40 <valhallasw> kazaa xD 19:08:42 <israelite> ouch my back.... 19:08:55 <israelite> we got free wifi in this village 19:08:58 <Bjarni> that is what happens if you pirate software... 19:09:01 <fjb> valhallasw: technically you can even murder people... but technically was not the question here. 19:09:08 <Bjarni> you get hurt when the devil enters your body 19:09:15 <Bjarni> after that you will do just fine :P 19:09:31 <israelite> but I have to sit on a rock to get it because it is isn't fully oerational yet 19:09:32 <Gonozal_VIII> i think there are abadonware sites where you can download it without installing any software 19:09:59 <israelite> aha 19:10:07 <fjb> hylje: That is not true for all distributions of Linux afaik. 19:10:36 <hylje> i wasnt talking distros :-) 19:10:41 <Bjarni> <israelite> we got free wifi in this village <-- you mean that somebody decided to give you free internet where you can't track each person on it.... nice idea for a country downloading pirated software ;) 19:10:50 <israelite> tomorrow they are going to but the wifi router back on the roof so I will be able to get it in my house 19:11:00 <fjb> hylje: Linux != Linux != Linux... 19:11:29 <israelite> Bjarni: no... they just don't have copper to the houses yet here. 19:11:43 <israelite> so thy give free wifi so we can keep in touch with the real world 19:11:53 <Bjarni> israelite: so right now you are sitting on a rock outside with a MacBook talking about downloading pirated software on a wifi connection that you didn't pay for? 19:12:04 <israelite> we pay for it 19:12:05 <Eddi|zuHause2> fjb: any kind of linux must be distributed under the GPL 19:12:14 <israelite> its 30 sheqel a month 19:12:24 <Bjarni> you just said that it's free 19:12:25 <israelite> 5 mbits for all of us to share 19:12:50 <israelite> yes I did.... 19:13:03 <Bjarni> you shouldn't pay for free stuff :P 19:13:15 <Eddi|zuHause2> free beer costs 5⬠19:13:15 *** dihedral [~dihedral@dslb-088-064-163-210.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 19:13:20 <israelite> lol 19:13:33 <dihedral> hello 19:13:35 <israelite> 30 sheqel is almost free for me 19:13:41 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:13:57 <Eddi|zuHause2> how much is that in euro? 19:14:04 <fjb> Eddi|zuHause2: The kernel yes, but not the distribution specific parts. And some distributions have very restrictive licences on some parts. 19:14:04 <Gonozal_VIII> don't know how much a sheqel is 19:14:44 <Rubidium> google does 19:14:47 <Eddi|zuHause2> fjb: you are free to remove those parts 19:14:57 <Bjarni> it's around 5 EUR 19:15:14 <Eddi|zuHause2> so like one free beer ;) 19:15:28 <fjb> Eddi|zuHause2: You have to remove the installer, the startup scripts and the package manager then. :-) 19:15:29 <Gonozal_VIII> btw will somebody make the missing parts for openttd to solve those legal problems? 19:15:49 <Bjarni> israelite: that price could be really cheap or really expensive depending on how often you have to pay 19:15:50 <israelite> btw they haven't collected the 30 sheqels from me yet 19:15:57 <israelite> per month 19:15:59 <Eddi|zuHause2> fjb: so? 19:16:03 <Bjarni> daily and yearly makes two completely different prices ;) 19:16:28 <fjb> Eddi|zuHause2: No booting Linux anymore. But beside that you can use it. 19:16:48 <israelite> mmmm someone is cooking bread! 19:16:54 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB48A7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai] 19:17:13 <Bjarni> cooking bread? 19:17:19 <Bjarni> don't you mean baking bread? 19:17:25 * fjb prefers baked bread. 19:17:28 <Eddi|zuHause2> you never cooked bread? 19:17:34 <Bjarni> err 19:17:34 <Rubidium> no, in Israel they cook it in water 19:17:36 <Bjarni> no 19:17:41 <israelite> lol 19:17:46 <hylje> haha 19:17:58 <Eddi|zuHause2> (funny, i had that exact same conversation yesterday about pizza :p) 19:17:59 <israelite> no someone is heating up some rocks t cook break 19:18:04 <israelite> not exactly baking 19:18:20 <Bjarni> <Rubidium> no, in Israel they cook it in water <-- that would make it kind of like the bread part of a pizza if you put it in a microware oven 19:18:35 <Eddi|zuHause2> cooking usually involves water 19:18:43 <israelite> or rocks 19:18:50 <Eddi|zuHause2> boiling water 19:18:57 <Bjarni> boiling rocks XD 19:19:01 <israelite> you win 19:19:06 <Eddi|zuHause2> what you do to make the water boil is not really relevant 19:19:10 <israelite> english is my second language 19:19:28 <Eddi|zuHause2> exactly like 90% of the people here 19:19:29 <Bjarni> actually you can bake bread on heated rocks 19:19:33 <israelite> and hebrew is my third 19:19:44 <fjb> I think english is the second or third language for the most people here. 19:19:45 <israelite> arabic will be my forth 19:19:48 <Bjarni> then what is your first one? 19:20:03 <israelite> Persian 19:20:31 * Bjarni goes back to wondering "why move to Israel?" 19:20:55 <Bjarni> I thought you guys were against Israel 19:21:04 <dihedral> !commit 11409 19:21:06 <Eddi|zuHause2> i have never heard of anyone speaking persian... 19:21:07 <Gonozal_VIII> israel and usa are close... usa hates iran... 19:21:13 <fjb> Hm, I guess Persian as his first language can explain it.. 19:21:17 <israelite> I am Jewish. 19:21:18 <dihedral> !commit r11409 19:21:26 <dihedral> :-S 19:21:37 <skidd13> !commit 11409 19:21:47 <skidd13> @commit 11409 19:21:48 <DorpsGek> skidd13: Commit by truelight :: r11409 /trunk (3 files in 3 dirs) (2007-11-11 14:32:18 UTC) 19:21:49 <DorpsGek> skidd13: -Update: as of now, I am a retired Developer, so mark me as such 19:21:53 <Bjarni> dihedral: -Update: as of now, I am a retired Developer, so mark me as such 19:21:56 <fjb> There are man Jewish people living in Iran. 19:21:59 <israelite> btw, some American Christian group is giving ,000 for coming to Israel 19:22:00 <Bjarni> damn, too late :s 19:22:11 <israelite> and another ,000 to study in Israel 19:22:18 <israelite> plus free education 19:22:20 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB48A7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:23:05 <israelite> err sorry 19:23:20 <israelite> the ,000 for studyig is from the government 19:23:46 <israelite> this is coming to Israel from Iran 19:24:01 <Bjarni> I wouldn't pay to get to Israel 19:24:07 <Bjarni> but then again I'm not Jewish 19:24:23 <israelite> well I need to go back home 19:24:32 <dihedral> @seen TrueBrain 19:24:32 <DorpsGek> dihedral: TrueBrain was last seen in #openttd 6 hours, 47 minutes, and 56 seconds ago: <TrueBrain> Ammller: I guess not, if you guys don't ask 19:24:35 <israelite> my back is hurting from sitting on this rock 19:25:00 <Gonozal_VIII> you are really sitting on a rock? 19:25:05 <Bjarni> <israelite> well I need to go back home <-- Hebrew is your 3rd language and you came back home? 19:25:13 <Gonozal_VIII> i thought that was a joke or something 19:25:18 <israelite> to my house 19:25:28 <Bjarni> ahh 19:26:09 <Bjarni> somehow it's awesome that israelite is sitting outside in the dark on a rock to leech off some wifi connection :D 19:26:20 <Zuu> But guess it's not that cold in Israel... :) 19:26:22 <israelite> Gonozal_VIII: yes. the villages wifi is currently on the synagogue window. Not roof. 19:26:28 <Bjarni> we got snow here 19:26:37 <fjb> Here too 19:26:41 <israelite> it is starting to get cold 19:26:42 <Gonozal_VIII> same here 19:26:48 <Zuu> I would rather not sit outdoor here, and its only around 0 degrees here.. 19:26:50 <Gonozal_VIII> stupid snow 19:27:09 <israelite> 14 tonight 19:27:16 <israelite> it was 9 last night 19:27:24 <skidd13> Rubidium: I tried FS1388. With an old release of modern tram set (I overwrote it accidentaly :( ) and it worked fluently as soon as I tried another version it asserted directly. Might be that the user replaced the stuff. The modern tram set reuses the GRF-ID's but changed the vehicle-ID's. So another version of the grf might cause the this assertion 19:27:28 <fjb> Actually 3°C here. 19:27:30 <Gonozal_VIII> 6° now 19:27:37 <Bjarni> they said on the weather forecast that all the snow would melt right away... but it's completely white outside and below 0°C 19:27:49 <israelite> lol 19:28:15 <skidd13> I'm off for now. CU later 19:28:20 <Gonozal_VIII> cu 19:28:22 <israelite> you should see the weather forecasts in Iran 19:28:22 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A7AD8.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [ZZZzzzz.] 19:28:31 <Bjarni> somebody sent in a picture of a snowman in man size (of the snow that melts right away :P ) 19:28:40 <Gonozal_VIII> hehe 19:28:42 <israelite> bye 19:28:55 <fjb> It's could here, but we got rid of the wall 18 years ago. 19:28:56 <Bjarni> israelite: do you guys make sandmans? 19:29:05 *** israelite [~israelite@bzq-79-181-241-241.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Quit: israelite] 19:29:11 <Gonozal_VIII> that wouldn't work with dry sand 19:29:22 <Bjarni> looks like the sandman took israelite 19:29:41 <fjb> Sandman? You mean like Logan? :-) 19:29:52 <Gonozal_VIII> enter sandman :-) 19:30:05 <Bjarni> <Gonozal_VIII> that wouldn't work with dry sand <-- I know... it was a joke due to the double meaning of "sandman" 19:30:34 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@212.24.150.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:30:42 <Bjarni> making all the world sleep so they don't detect how Palestine is 19:31:40 <fjb> :-) 19:32:04 <fjb> Many nations are trying to produce sandman... :-( 19:32:36 <huma> mr. sandman is a nice song 19:37:57 <Bjarni> somehow I think it's awesome that we had a visitor sitting on a rock in the dark night to leech some wifi connection... I think that's a new geek low considering he said that he would get a net connection from home tomorrow 19:39:30 *** titus [~titus@intter.net] has joined #openttd 19:39:38 <titus> hmm 19:39:44 <titus> does this mean that nightly build is broken? 19:39:47 *** Entane [~Entane@206.84-48-202.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 19:39:54 <titus> /compile_farm/openttd/nightly/compile_dir/src/gfxinit.cpp:93: failed assertion `b' 19:39:57 <titus> Your 'openttd.grf' file is corrupted or missing! The file was part of your installation. 19:40:00 <titus> mac os x - intel version. 19:40:01 <fjb> Yes, but it's now very intelligent to use such a connection to ask for illegal downloads... 19:40:11 <SmatZ> b 19:40:17 <SpComb> Bjarni: depends what he had to do 19:40:29 <SpComb> and the Real WTF is that you don't have a Wi-Fi network at home! 19:40:41 <titus> WiFi melts your brains :> 19:40:43 <Bjarni> titus: no it means that you failed to read the readme and do as it says :P 19:41:08 <titus> Bjarni: duh lol.. the error fooled me :/ 19:41:09 <SpComb> titus: what size of tin-foil hat do you use? 19:41:19 <titus> I got one from titanium 19:41:25 <Gonozal_VIII> a molten brain is more resistant to damage :-) 19:42:37 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@212.24.150.226] has joined #openttd 19:42:39 <Bjarni> <SpComb> and the Real WTF is that you don't have a Wi-Fi network at home! <-- I don't... WiFi is half duplex and slow while cat6 ethernet is 1 Gbit and full duplex 19:43:19 * SpComb doesn't like to drag around a laptop with a Cat6 cable attatched to it 19:43:46 <titus> Bjarni: except readme.txt doesn't tell what the heck is openttd.grf (not from originalttd datafiles atleast) 19:43:54 <Bjarni> why would I move the computer away from the chair... I don't have that long arms :s 19:45:41 <titus> + the stable build (universary binary from downlods) crashes when I click airplane depot in airport :> then I get the damn raimbow and it freezes whole system :> 19:45:51 <titus> universal* 19:46:00 <SmatZ> Bjarni: it is awesome, until police knocks at your door with proofs that from your IP were done illegal things :-p 19:47:04 <Bjarni> but using WiFi would increase the risk of doing that 19:47:50 <Bjarni> you see I have to connect though the phoneline so if I should use some sort of wireless I should add the hotspot as well with the risk of somebody else entering my connection and doing stuff 19:48:08 <SmatZ> yup, maybe I misread something 19:48:29 <SmatZ> I thought you said 'it is awesome, somebody was using my wifi to connect to the internet' 19:50:27 <Bjarni> not MY wifi :P 19:50:32 <Bjarni> A wifi 19:50:38 <Ailure> mm 19:50:39 <Bjarni> not mine and not his own either 19:50:52 <Bjarni> in fact I don't think the owner is here 19:51:05 <Bjarni> or is aware of his rock sitting in the desert either :P 19:51:30 <Gonozal_VIII> desert?^^ 19:51:51 <Bjarni> isn't the Middle East one big desert? 19:51:54 <Ailure> there's wifi signals 19:51:57 <Ailure> everywhere now 19:52:01 <Ailure> so I think most brains would be melted 19:52:27 <Ailure> it's fun on trains too 19:52:32 <Bjarni> it has a few houses but outside the houses there is a desert 19:52:40 <Ailure> like when I travel from H$BgT(Bsleholm to Helsingborg 19:52:45 <Ailure> there's a place where I get a wifi connectoin 19:52:47 <Ailure> for like five seconds 19:52:49 <Ailure> :9 19:53:09 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@212.24.150.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:53:49 <Bjarni> but it only takes 1 sec to leech a password on an open connection if you are lucky 19:54:39 <Ailure> like the wifi at my school 19:54:44 <SmatZ> with WEP... 19:54:46 <Ailure> I considered to setup a laptop one day 19:54:50 <Ailure> it's not even WEP 19:54:52 <Ailure> and then just sniff 19:55:02 <Ailure> and see what I can pick up 19:55:41 <Ailure> scary thinjg, it's a rather transparent process too 19:55:41 <SmatZ> I see sometimes people running wifi tools to capture packets... 19:55:48 <Ailure> so none can tell i'm doing it 19:56:16 <Ailure> 'I'm not the type who uses credit card numbers I find or anything though 19:56:18 <Ailure> i'm too nice for that 19:56:36 <SmatZ> most people are too nice to do that 19:57:50 <Ailure> I am a grey hat after all 19:57:58 <Ailure> I might not always do legal stuff, but I do have my morals :) 19:58:34 <Gonozal_VIII> grey hat? 19:58:46 <Ailure> hacker term 19:58:50 <Ailure> a white hat is a legal hacker 19:58:51 <Ailure> black illegal 19:58:55 <Ailure> grey is a somewhat inbetween 19:59:09 <Ailure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grey_hat 20:00:02 *** gono_ping_timeout [~Gonozal_V@N945P014.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 20:00:14 <gono_ping_timeout> stupid disconnection every 8 hours... 20:03:10 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@212.24.150.226] has joined #openttd 20:04:53 <slafs_> Is there a way to disable electrified rails so electric enginges can run on normal tracks? 20:05:39 <gono_ping_timeout> configure patches, vehicles tab 20:05:41 <Bjarni> <Ailure> I might not always do legal stuff, but I do have my morals :) <--- but even in the very basic security theory you have to assume no moral at all at the users and outside users 20:06:37 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@M3090P026.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:06:48 *** gono_ping_timeout is now known as Gonozal_VIII 20:07:09 <Ailure> Bjarni: Very true 20:07:18 <Ailure> Always expect the worst 20:07:20 <Ailure> in security 20:07:57 <Ailure> one rule of thumb 20:08:01 <Ailure> which I see usually broken against is 20:08:08 <Ailure> "If X don't need Y, don't give him access to Y" 20:09:14 <Ailure> that's usually broken with homeservers 20:09:26 <Ailure> such as people putting FTP/HTTP on their root... or even filesharing programs. 20:10:03 <fjb> :-) 20:13:46 <Ailure> hilarious what kind of private stuff you can find floating around 20:13:54 <Ailure> becuse the user was careless when setting up his P2P program 20:15:15 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B76E3A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 20:16:50 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B76E3A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:18:22 <slafs_> Gonozal_VIII: thanks. Do you know how to do that in openttd.cfg? I'm configuring a dedicated server. 20:20:41 <Gonozal_VIII> no 20:20:46 <Zuu> Now I don't know that you are trying to do, but I usually set the settings using GUI and then scp over the openttd.cfg to the server. 20:21:12 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@212.24.150.226] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:21:13 <Zuu> Unless it is the server-settings that are found under [server] in the openttd.cfg-file. 20:23:49 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 20:24:46 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r11414 /trunk/src/station_cmd.cpp: -Fix [FS#1387]: when building a station, even though we already 'know' it in memory, it should still be unknown in the realm of callbacks. 20:25:09 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B76E3A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 20:26:17 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B76E3A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:26:44 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B76E3A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:27:12 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B76E3A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:32:11 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B76E3A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 20:33:20 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B76E3A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:33:29 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B76E3A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:33:54 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B76E3A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:42:41 *** KaareMai [~MaXx@0x55530063.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 20:43:24 <KaareMai> Hello, i have a question: I've started a multiplayer server in the year 1940. But no one can build rails. Why is that? 20:43:31 <KaareMai> The year is now 1942 20:44:12 <Gonozal_VIII> there seems to be no train engines available 20:44:39 <KaareMai> But why is that? Shouldn't steam engines be available from that time? 20:44:50 <KaareMai> I haven't put in new train sets or anything 20:45:01 <KaareMai> The climate is Sub-Tropical 20:45:14 <glx> nothing before 1950 in tropic IIRC 20:45:19 <Rubidium> there's your first part of the problem; trains in subtropical come very late 20:45:32 <KaareMai> oohh, thats nice to know hehe 20:45:42 <KaareMai> Well, then we'll have todo with trucks until then :) 20:46:11 <Gonozal_VIII> 46 20:46:52 <Gonozal_VIII> (i started a game and cheated the time up.. there is a train in 1946 20:46:54 <Gonozal_VIII> ) 20:47:00 *** BigBB [~BigBB@p5B0433AE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 20:47:09 <KaareMai> Thanks :) 20:47:32 <Ammller> KaareMai: there is a patch setting for building before trains are available, imo 20:47:43 <KaareMai> Okay 20:47:45 <Ammller> so you could prepare it :P 20:48:18 <Ammller> or is it a cheat? 20:48:20 <SmatZ> you would need to patch both server and clients 20:48:27 <SmatZ> no... 20:49:20 <Ammller> hmm, patch setting, not patch 20:50:02 <SmatZ> really is it a patch setting? 20:50:06 <SmatZ> hmm 20:50:11 <SmatZ> yes 20:50:12 <Ammller> no idea 20:50:14 <SmatZ> of course 20:50:15 <Ammller> :) 20:50:40 <Ammller> but its not in the GUI? 20:51:40 <SmatZ> Interface -> Show building... 20:51:41 <Gonozal_VIII> i think i saw it in the gui... but could have been some *in 20:51:58 <SmatZ> but it works only for airports and docks 20:52:57 <Zuu> Or you do a year cheat to 1950 and then back to 1940 again. 20:53:18 <Gonozal_VIII> that works? 20:53:45 <Zuu> As long as you don't accidently type resetengines and hit enter in the console ;) 20:53:53 <Gonozal_VIII> yes.. 20:53:54 <KaareMai> Towns in the sub-tropic needs food AND water or only one of them to grow? 20:54:37 *** Ailure [Cat@194.47.44.201] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:56:29 <Eddi|zuHause> both 20:56:42 <Eddi|zuHause> but only in desert 20:57:51 *** Ailure [Cat@194.47.44.201] has joined #openttd 20:58:41 <KaareMai> Okay so desert cities need food & water to grow. Towns in green areas need nothing but passenger transport to begin growing 21:00:38 <Zuu> Yes. 21:00:40 *** Ailure [Cat@194.47.44.201] has quit [] 21:00:43 *** Ailure [Cat@194.47.44.201] has joined #openttd 21:00:49 <Ailure> bah stupid twitch 21:06:03 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r11415 /trunk/src/players.cpp: -Fix [FS#1428]: do not ignore the autorenew settings for new games when creating a new game. 21:10:57 *** Entane [~Entane@206.84-48-202.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:11:05 *** Entane [~Entane@206.84-48-202.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 21:19:03 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-164-75.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 21:21:20 *** Addi [~ttdx@cable-dynamic-87-245-83-24.shinternet.ch] has quit [] 21:22:35 *** KaareMai [~MaXx@0x55530063.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.9/2007102514]] 21:28:53 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A52CB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:29:39 *** michi_cc [f4460812e7@dude.icosahedron.de] has left #openttd [Und weg...] 21:29:46 *** michi_cc [f4460812e7@dude.icosahedron.de] has joined #openttd 21:29:49 *** mode/#openttd [+v michi_cc] by ChanServ 21:30:00 *** dihedral [~dihedral@dslb-088-064-163-210.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: a minute of silence for TrueBrain please :-)] 21:32:13 <Rubidium> skidd13: about FS#1388, it's certainly an issue with the articulated vehicles as one can see in the savegame I posted. 21:32:36 <Rubidium> oh, and could you look at FS#1417 (town layout issue) 21:33:22 <skidd13> I'll check 1417 21:40:44 *** |Bastiaan| [~kvirc@e28236.upc-e.chello.nl] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 3.2.6 Anomalies http://www.kvirc.net/] 21:46:50 *** Wezz6400 [~not@ndb.demon.nl] has joined #openttd 21:57:52 <skidd13> @logs 21:57:55 <SpComb> Logs: http://spbot.marttila.de:8120/logs/oftc-ottd (old: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd ) 21:57:55 <skidd13> !logs 21:59:12 *** eJoJ [~ejoj@89.10.29.107] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:03:40 <ln-> http://koo.toosa.net/Thai06/images/thai06_018.jpg 22:04:33 <Gonozal_VIII> ? 22:05:01 <ln-> dumping fuel, i've been told 22:05:04 <SmatZ> drunk pilot? 22:05:16 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387CA5A.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 22:05:28 *** Osai is now known as Osai^zZz 22:06:23 <Gonozal_VIII> problems with the landing gear or why dump the fuel? 22:06:57 <Eddi|zuHause> you generally dump fuel before performing an emergency landing 22:07:30 <Gonozal_VIII> but you don't circle around if there is an urgent emergency 22:07:37 <ln-> Gonozal_VIII: dumping fuel is a standard procedure if you have to land earlier than planned. 22:08:29 <ln-> Gonozal_VIII: well you have to dump the fuel before you land. 22:09:10 <Gonozal_VIII> that's only possible through burning it? 22:09:35 <Rubidium> no, but there isn't a big door in the fuel tanks 22:09:38 <fjb> Gonozal_VIII: That depends on the airplane. 22:09:46 <Rubidium> they have to pump the fuel out of the tanks 22:09:47 <ln-> no, no, it's not burned at all when dumping fuel. 22:10:18 <fjb> The Boing 737 is not able to dump fuel, it must be burnd. 22:10:45 <Eddi|zuHause> the name is Boeing ;) 22:10:52 <fjb> Oh, ok. :-) 22:11:13 <fjb> But sometimes it goes boing... :-) 22:11:14 <ln-> fjb: interesting; is there some way to burn it quicker than usually then? 22:11:14 <Rubidium> fjb: so you're royally screwed when a 737 has landing gear problems and needs to return ASAP to the airport 22:11:44 <ln-> Rubidium: i don't see why a landing gear problem specifically would require returning ASAP 22:11:45 <Rubidium> as you need to fly quite a few hours burning fuel till the tanks are empty enough that it is relatively safe enough to attempt langing 22:11:46 <fjb> ln-: Not that I know. 22:11:59 <Gonozal_VIII> fire on board or something like that... 22:12:07 *** israelite [~israelite@87.69.13.147.cable.012.net.il] has joined #openttd 22:12:08 <Rubidium> ln-: one wheel not retracting? 22:12:11 <israelite> hello 22:12:26 <Gonozal_VIII> hi.. on the rocks again? 22:12:27 <israelite> how do I make a city with blocks 22:12:28 <fjb> Yes, but mty tanks are not that better than full tanks. Most oil tankers explode when they are emty. 22:12:53 <ln-> Rubidium: is that urgent? 22:13:07 <fjb> emty 22:13:11 <Gonozal_VIII> not really you can fly around with the gear out 22:13:21 <israelite> no on the swing 22:13:22 <Rubidium> well, I don't think they let you fly transatlantic when gears won't retract 22:13:25 <Eddi|zuHause> Gonozal_VIII: but not as far as you planned 22:13:43 <Gonozal_VIII> ah ok.. 22:13:47 <israelite> I mean with straight roads 22:14:06 <Gonozal_VIII> but also no need to land asap 22:14:13 <ln-> wikipedia says: "737s are not equipped with fuel dump systems. Depending upon the nature of the emergency, 737s either circle to burn-off fuel or land overweight." 22:14:22 <Eddi|zuHause> israelite: in nightly, there is an option "town road layout" 22:14:22 <fjb> The Boeing 737 is not the only plane that can not dump fuel. But I don't have a list of which can and which not. 22:14:37 <israelite> I am using nightly 22:14:42 <Eddi|zuHause> there you can select "2x2 grid" 22:14:46 <israelite> but I do not see this option 22:15:09 <Eddi|zuHause> in patch settings under the construction tab i assume... 22:15:40 <ln-> "patch" settings 22:15:46 <Gonozal_VIII> economy tab 22:16:07 <Gonozal_VIII> 5. from the bottom 22:16:11 <israelite> not there 22:16:33 <Rubidium> what does your titlebar say? 22:16:36 <fjb> It's under patches/economy 22:16:57 <israelite> I only have 9 options under that tab 22:17:16 <Gonozal_VIII> you're not using a nightly then 22:17:23 <Gonozal_VIII> at least not a new one 22:17:29 <israelite> thank you! 22:17:35 <glx> answer Rubidium's question :) 22:17:41 <israelite> I am using the latest 22:17:55 <Gonozal_VIII> there are lots of latest versions^^ 22:17:57 <israelite> 11399 22:18:32 <israelite> I need to get inside 22:18:42 <israelite> not wearing warm clothing 22:18:55 <israelite> this is the latest version right? 22:18:59 <Gonozal_VIII> titlebar says OpenTTD r11399 and there are only 9 options in configure patches/economy? 22:19:12 <glx> latest nightly is 11413 22:19:13 <israelite> Gonozal_VIII: no. In contrustion 22:19:19 <Gonozal_VIII> economy 22:19:24 <israelite> okay downloading it 22:19:39 <Gonozal_VIII> it is also in 11399 but under economy tab 22:19:42 <glx> anyway town layout are in trunk for a long time now 22:20:49 *** Wezz6400 [~not@ndb.demon.nl] has quit [] 22:21:04 <israelite> yes I got it 22:21:11 <israelite> thanks 22:21:39 <israelite> 500kb left of downloading 22:21:45 <israelite> then I will be off 22:21:54 <Gonozal_VIII> hehe 22:21:54 <israelite> I am going to start walking home... 22:22:02 <Gonozal_VIII> how far is that? 22:22:09 <israelite> 3 min 22:22:17 <Gonozal_VIII> ^^ 22:22:27 <israelite> but internet cuts off 1min to my home 22:23:02 <Gonozal_VIII> you walk 3 min from home to sit on a rock and ask about town road layout... 22:23:11 <israelite> but once they get the router on the roof... then it will reach my home 22:23:30 <israelite> okay it is about to cut off 22:23:30 <israelite> bye 22:23:33 <ln-> ok, i was told that the previous fuel dump picture was related to a swede hitting a stewardess with his fist. 22:23:34 <Gonozal_VIII> bye 22:23:35 *** israelite [~israelite@87.69.13.147.cable.012.net.il] has quit [Quit: israelite] 22:23:48 <skidd13> Rubidium: FS#1417 is IMO not a bug it's a feature 22:24:13 <Gonozal_VIII> they turn the plane around because of that? 22:24:30 <ln-> why not? 22:25:08 <ln-> something similar also has happened tonight on a finnair flight from helsinki, and the plane did turn back. 22:25:12 <Gonozal_VIII> because of the other passengers missing whatever it is they want to do at their destination? 22:25:25 <fjb> They turned planes around because somebody left a papersheet in the toilet or a homosexual couple was kissing. They fear terrorism everywhere. 22:25:36 <ln-> http://www.hs.fi/teksti/tuoreet/artikkeli/1135231748314 22:25:59 <Gonozal_VIII> wtf kissing is terrorism? 22:26:14 <fjb> Gonozal_VIII: Don't ask me. 22:28:19 <Gonozal_VIII> when somebody hits a stewardess i would have him arrested at the destination but i certainly wouldn't turn the plane around... unless the stewardess is hurt badly 22:31:32 <ln-> Gonozal_VIII: and what would you do with the suspect in the meanwhile? 22:32:13 <Gonozal_VIII> depends on the circumstances... 22:32:28 <fjb> Throw him out of the door. :-) 22:32:32 <Gonozal_VIII> hehe 22:33:26 <Gonozal_VIII> i'm sure some passengers would help to keep him under control... they also don't want to fly back 22:33:26 *** lolman is now known as John 22:34:27 *** John is now known as lolman 22:34:55 <ln-> Gonozal_VIII: would you like to spend your 10-hour flight (physically) keeping under control someone who is 1) big, 2) drunk, 3) under the influence of drugs? 22:35:42 *** Osai^zZz [~Osai@pD9EB48A7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai^zZz] 22:35:43 <Gonozal_VIII> yes i would prefer that instead of flying back 22:35:51 <Eddi|zuHause> or 4) dealing with a furious crowd? 22:36:12 <ln-> like in this finnair case i just pasted, there were two violent passengers for whom 1)..3) were true. 22:37:39 <Wolf01> 'night 22:37:42 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host203-233-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 22:38:23 <ln-> Eddi|zuHause: what kind of a world do you live in, if the crowd is not worried about their own safety if one passenger is violently attacking others or the crew? 22:38:51 <Eddi|zuHause> i mean that the other way round 22:39:07 <Eddi|zuHause> if the crowd gets furious while supposedly dealing with the two guys 22:39:17 <ln-> ah 22:39:33 <Eddi|zuHause> and you as a plane crew has to get also the crowd under control 22:39:59 *** Peakki [antti@cs181247045.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: LÀhdössÀ] 22:40:27 <ln-> i'll direct my question to Gonozal_VIII instead then. 22:41:39 <Gonozal_VIII> two people should be able to control the guy without the risk of getting hurt i think 22:42:10 <skidd13> Rubidium: Comments about FS 1429 ? 22:42:11 <ln-> Gonozal_VIII: how tall are you? 22:42:21 <Gonozal_VIII> 178 22:42:29 <Eddi|zuHause> and how do you decide which two people are physically or mentally able to control someone? 22:43:03 <Eddi|zuHause> i mean unless you have a skymarshal on board or something, who might be trained for that kind of stuff 22:43:24 <Rubidium> skidd13: it's a compiler bug, not something we should 'fix' by simple casting random variables into something that is 'bigger' in size. 22:43:36 <Rubidium> and there are no 'real' 2 bit values 22:43:43 <ln-> Gonozal_VIII: yes, two people are usually able to control a guy, assuming the two people are trained police officers or similar. 22:44:04 <Rubidium> I can easily create a signal type with 4 bits: SignalType s = (SignalType)7; <- there 22:44:19 *** Zavior [~zavior@d195-237-7-209.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:44:39 <skidd13> Rubidium: agreed so we keep the warning ;) 22:47:00 <ln-> Gonozal_VIII: have you ever tried to keep under control someone who is fighting back? 22:48:27 <Gonozal_VIII> as a kid sometimes but not yet in a dangerous situation 22:48:47 *** ludde [~ludde@ua-83-227-238-252.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:50:08 <ln-> also who is responsible if the suspect happens to die during the flight while he's being kept under control by (most likely) untrained people? 22:51:17 *** JVassie [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:51:32 <Gonozal_VIII> if it is really that bad you would of course have to turn around but i am thinking about your average drunk stupidhead 22:52:23 *** Rexxie [~rexxars@ti0140a340-0088.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 22:52:51 <ln-> also, if i was on a vacation and planning to watch the sights and enjoy a book during the flight, i wouldn't want to spend 10 hours controlling a drunk stupidhead instead. 22:53:45 <Gonozal_VIII> when it's either that or not going at all i would prefer that 22:55:42 *** Rexxie [~rexxars@ti0140a340-0088.bb.online.no] has quit [] 22:56:20 <ln-> where did you get the idea that "not noing at all" is an option? 22:56:22 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:58:33 <Gonozal_VIII> it's not always easy to change what you have planned... you could be on the way to some important meeting or something else that can't be changed 23:00:06 <ln-> sure, but there are various reasons why a flight could be delayed by few hours or even more. if you have planned too tight a schedule, it's hard to blame others. 23:01:11 <Gonozal_VIII> it's not about the blame it's about how important it is for you not to turn back... if it is very important you will help to keep that guy under control 23:01:50 <ln-> what if the captain gets sick during the flight? is it a reason to turn back or land? 23:02:27 <ln-> you know, the copilot is very well able to fly the plane himself, and most flying is done by autopilot anyway. 23:03:48 <Gonozal_VIII> depends on his condition... if it will get worse during the long flight it makes sense to turn back, it it doesn't it wouldn't help because you have to land anyways 23:06:12 *** Farden [~jk3farden@AMontsouris-156-1-172-146.w83-202.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:08:37 <Gonozal_VIII> it's not easy to decide but i would keep the probability of planes to turn around as low as possible 23:09:46 <ln-> Gonozal_VIII: if people don't feel safe during the flight, that's a lot worse than being late. 23:09:49 <Rubidium> I think I'm rather delayed 4 hours than delayed infinitively 23:12:02 <Gonozal_VIII> i don't get it why people are so concerned about safety in planes while it's much more dangerous to even cross the street 23:12:17 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has joined #openttd 23:12:54 <Rubidium> using what statistics? miles of crossing the street? 23:13:08 *** Zuu [~Leif@c-153c71d5.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:14:18 <Rubidium> it's like: are you going to cross a busy road somewhere in the middle, or do you walk the extra few (hundred) meters so you can cross at a traffic light? 23:14:27 <Rubidium> i.e. it's all about risk avoidance 23:14:42 <Rubidium> if you can easily avoid some risks, you should take the opportunity 23:14:58 <Gonozal_VIII> how would you die because two guys are kissing in a plane? 23:15:00 <Rubidium> it's like driving slower when the roads are icy 23:15:57 <Rubidium> because they are have swallowed some liquid that explodes when they are combined? 23:16:08 <Gonozal_VIII> *rofl* 23:18:22 <Rubidium> and the reason for returning was probably not only the fact that they were kissing 23:20:10 <ln-> Gonozal_VIII: i'll emphasize the word *feel* in "*feel* safe" 23:21:11 <ln-> if people don't feel safe on the plane, they won't fly again with that airline, or at all if it can be avoided. 23:21:43 <ln-> it doesn't matter if the statistics say they are more likely to die being hit by a car. 23:22:31 <Gonozal_VIII> but making a big deal out of everything isn't gonna help with that 23:22:47 <ln-> "everything" 23:23:36 <ln-> a relatively big airline like finnair has one or two cases per year when they need to return because of violent passengers. 23:23:38 <Gonozal_VIII> nobody pulls the emergency brakes on a train if somebody hits the bord service guy... 23:24:16 <Bjarni> trains aren't likely to fall 10 km either 23:24:36 <Rubidium> no, but the train will stop at the first possible station with police to get the guy arrested. 23:24:38 <Bjarni> actually it's a mental thing at the passengers 23:24:42 <glx> depends on how high is the bridge ;) 23:24:55 <Bjarni> everybody can relate to the fact that a train will stay on the ground and likely on the rails 23:25:20 <Bjarni> but something as big as a aircraft fighting gravity.... most people don't understand how this is possible 23:25:38 <Gonozal_VIII> hmmm 23:25:44 *** MaSch [~masch@p5091AC7E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: shutdown -s now . . . will halt now] 23:26:26 <Bjarni> you can reduce the risk of a plane crash by by 90% and people will still feel as unsafe flying as they do now 23:26:55 <Bjarni> people who understands statistics and physics aren't afraid and people who don't and are will be nomatter what you do 23:27:50 <Gonozal_VIII> ok, that makes sense i guess.. 23:29:11 <ln-> i remember two cases in finland where the conductor was attacked in the train 23:30:02 <Bjarni> only two? 23:30:25 <ln-> yeah, could be bad memory 23:31:10 <Bjarni> or they keep it a secret 23:31:52 <Bjarni> "we have an attacked conductor once a month... oh and we are hiring more conductors... anybody interested?" 23:32:06 <Gonozal_VIII> ^^ 23:32:15 *** eJoJ [~ejoj@89.10.29.107] has joined #openttd 23:32:40 <ln-> in first case the train had just departed Tampere, and they made an unscheduled stop at a station 15 km later, instead of proceeding the next 100 or 200 km through an uninhabited area with only forest and swamps. 23:33:31 <ln-> i'm sure they were late because of that. 23:33:34 <Bjarni> so? unscheduled stops happens all the time 23:34:33 <ln-> they got late 23:34:54 <ln-> the train could have very well continued the next 200 km. 23:35:26 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-131-13.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:36:35 <Bjarni> I don't see a problem (yet?) 23:36:38 <Gonozal_VIII> there's a big difference between stopping a train and landing a plane 23:37:33 <Rubidium> yes, a train stops automatically when something goes wrong, a plane doesn't land automatically 23:38:22 <glx> they can do 23:38:22 <Bjarni> ln-: so the train crew were attacked because the train became a few minutes late due to an unscheduled stop? 23:39:07 <ln-> Bjarni: no, the stop was *because* of the attack, not the other way round. 23:39:17 <ln-> in the second case the conductor was stabbed dangerously, and military police men who happened to be on the train arrested the suspect, and treated the conductor. 23:39:47 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A52CB.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [ZZZzzzz.] 23:40:14 <ln-> military police = a set of normal young men serving their compulsory military service 23:41:09 <Bjarni> but why were they attacked? 23:42:08 <ln-> for asking people's tickets or something as insulting 23:45:07 <Bjarni> some people are weird 23:46:19 <ln-> btw, over here a police officer in his uniform can travel for tree on trains, on the condition that (s)he walks through the whole train once. 23:47:09 <Bjarni> so they can pay with a tree instead of a normal ticket? :P 23:47:46 <Gonozal_VIII> hehehehe 23:48:33 <Bjarni> here McDonald's decided to give a discount to police officers in uniform (only a certain one that had pick pocket problems). It ended up being a political issue in the government because "you can't buy the police to be at a specific location" 23:48:43 <ln-> Bjarni: errr... for *f*ree 23:48:52 <ln-> i guess others figured that out 23:49:09 *** smoovi [smoovi@e178236078.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 23:49:26 <Bjarni> somehow I think it's a good place for the police to show up if it's hit by pick pocketing thieves daily 23:50:03 <Gonozal_VIII> that doesn't necessarily mean more safety... i was in a crowded tram with a police officer traveling somewhere with his gun open on the belt... anybody could have taken that gun probably without him even noticing 23:50:26 *** Hendikins [~wolfox@ppp121-44-16-194.lns10.syd7.internode.on.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:50:30 <Bjarni> agreed 23:50:38 *** llugo [~lugo@p4FD5E43F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:51:07 <Bjarni> but odds are that pocket thieves will find somewhere else if the police is present 23:51:33 <Bjarni> <ln-> i guess others figured that out <-- me too but replying to what you actually wrote were more fun :P 23:51:40 *** Diabolic1Angel [~dia@xdsl-81-173-232-15.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 23:52:07 <ln-> (took 6 minutes for Bjarni) 23:52:23 <Ailure> hmm 23:52:37 <Bjarni> no 23:52:46 <Bjarni> but I was writing something else 23:52:57 <Bjarni> the reply to you just got queued 23:55:01 <Ailure> rm -rf / 23:57:11 *** Hendikins [~wolfox@ppp121-44-16-194.lns10.syd7.internode.on.net] has joined #openttd 23:57:27 *** lugo [~lugo@p4FD5F46F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:57:32 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:58:39 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@xdsl-84-44-157-169.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]