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00:00:31 <Eddi|zuHause> who said that _i_ had such a weapon? 00:02:20 <ln-> nobody 00:05:44 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@a62-251-30-68.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:06:06 <ln-> "Wikipedia does not have an article with this exact name. Please search for Eddi's personal weapon in the military in Wikipedia to check for alternative titles or spellings." 00:10:28 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-108-106.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:10:57 *** Osai^zZz [~Osai@pD9EB65F3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai^zZz] 00:18:01 *** exe [~zgibhy@pub70089.brzesko.net.pl] has left #openttd [] 00:19:55 *** exe [~zgibhy@pub70089.brzesko.net.pl] has joined #openttd 00:24:12 *** dihedral [~dihedral@dslb-084-057-233-049.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:25:42 *** fjb [~frank@p5485F2A5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 3.2.0 'Realia'] 00:27:52 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1EBD4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:36:47 *** SpComb^ [terom@zapotek.paivola.fi] has joined #openttd 00:37:13 *** Netsplit synthon.oftc.net <-> xenon.oftc.net quits: CIA-1, tiaz_, SpComb 00:38:32 *** Netsplit over, joins: CIA-1 00:43:42 *** Brianetta 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<hylje> :o 15:12:19 <dihedral> lol 15:20:26 *** De_Ghosty [~c4command@141.117.176.147] has joined #openttd 15:20:36 <De_Ghosty> how i creat dynamic array in c++? 15:21:25 <Noldo_> use std::vector 15:21:40 <De_Ghosty> what about in c? 15:23:00 <Belugas> http://vergil.chemistry.gatech.edu/resources/programming/c-tutorial/dynamic.html 15:23:40 <dihedral> anybody in here plays ET? 15:24:13 <Eddi|zuHause> De_Ghosty: you reallocate memory 15:24:56 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@ip-62-143-77-30.1311A-CUD12K-02.ish.de] has joined #openttd 15:28:52 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:29:35 *** Peakki [antti@cs181247045.pp.htv.fi] has joined #openttd 15:30:38 <De_Ghosty> k 15:30:39 <De_Ghosty> thx 15:31:37 <Eddi|zuHause> C has no such thing as arrays 15:31:43 <Eddi|zuHause> just pointer arithmetics 15:31:53 <hylje> pedant 15:32:46 *** strongfrakk [~frakk@62.77.209.74] has joined #openttd 15:34:26 <strongfrakk> hi how can i build railroad bend ? 15:34:26 *** _Ben_ [~Ben@82.152.195.111] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:34:58 *** strongfrakk [~frakk@62.77.209.74] has left #openttd [] 15:34:59 *** strongfrakk [~frakk@62.77.209.74] has joined #openttd 15:35:08 <strongfrakk> hi 15:35:28 <Belugas> bend? 15:35:28 <strongfrakk> how can i build a railroad bend? 15:35:39 <strongfrakk> curve 15:35:48 <strongfrakk> wimple 15:35:50 <strongfrakk> yes 15:36:18 <Belugas> ho... do one direction, then choose the other road direction. the curve willbe made automatically 15:36:38 <Belugas> just make sure the first road part is done on half a tile 15:37:07 <Belugas> and start the other direction on the opposite upper half tile 15:37:14 <Belugas> or something like that 15:37:26 <strongfrakk> how can make half tile:) 15:38:01 <Belugas> roads are always constructed on half tiles 15:38:02 <strongfrakk> when i made them then i had not half tile 15:38:11 <strongfrakk> ok 15:38:13 <strongfrakk> wait 15:38:18 <strongfrakk> i believe in you 15:38:55 <LeviathNL> he's talking about railroad 15:38:58 <strongfrakk> i have tried 15:39:09 <strongfrakk> i does not work 15:39:29 <strongfrakk> i did not get half tiled raildroad 15:40:00 <glx> there's no half-rail 15:40:03 <Gonozal_VIII> that's because they don't exist, belugas was talking about roads 15:40:05 <LeviathNL> there are 4 directions railroad, if you build 2 against against each other in a way the angle is 45 degrees trains will be able to drive over it 15:41:00 <strongfrakk> ok im trying 15:41:14 <LeviathNL> look at the rails in this Screenshot: http://www.openttd.org/images/screens/0.5.0/multiplayer_newstations.png 15:41:30 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB65F3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:41:38 <Gonozal_VIII> use the fifth rail building tool with the crossed rails on it, you can build any direction with that 15:42:56 <Belugas> oups.... 15:43:01 <strongfrakk> oh yeah when i have moved the mouse over the current place it offers to variations 15:43:13 <strongfrakk> -to 15:43:14 <strongfrakk> the 15:43:42 <Belugas> sorry strongfrakk... i've got confused... indeed, i though you ment roads, truck and bus roads... 15:44:05 * Belugas re-submerges 15:44:14 <Gonozal_VIII> hehe 15:45:37 *** _Ben_ [~Ben@82.153.73.169] has joined #openttd 15:46:34 <strongfrakk> i does not matter my first railroad have already started 15:46:36 <strongfrakk> :) 15:46:46 <Gonozal_VIII> :-) 15:47:29 <Gonozal_VIII> leviath, what's that in the bottom right corner of your screenshot? 15:47:38 <strongfrakk> ups something wrong 15:47:51 <strongfrakk> it must be turn back:) 15:48:10 <strongfrakk> it can be turn back:) 15:48:21 *** frosch123 [~mtce@pascal.math.tu-clausthal.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:49:26 *** strongfrakk [~frakk@62.77.209.74] has left #openttd [] 15:50:04 <LeviathNL> Gonozal_VIII, it is not my screenshot but if you are referring to the crane etc I think it is the Container Freight Station & Harbor set: http://grfcrawler.tt-forums.net/details.php?do=details&id=74 15:50:42 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 15:51:03 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl4-211-86.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 15:51:03 <Gonozal_VIII> ah ok thanks... so it's a rail station, not really a dock 15:51:37 <LeviathNL> indeed 15:53:37 *** Dephenom [~paul@91.186.11.8] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:55:26 *** skidd13_uni [~skidd13@p548A21AD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 15:56:10 *** skidd13_uni is now known as skidd13_UNI 16:03:22 *** Unknown_Entity [~UnknownEn@dslb-084-063-022-139.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 16:13:37 *** You're now known as SpComb 16:17:20 <De_Ghosty> hey 16:17:23 <De_Ghosty> if i have to exit 16:17:33 <De_Ghosty> how do i get c to terminate all the mallocs? 16:18:54 <glx> free 16:19:17 <De_Ghosty> free what? 16:19:27 <De_Ghosty> i mean when i get an error i wanna exit 16:19:34 <De_Ghosty> and i want it to free everything 16:19:39 <glx> pointer = malloc(); free(pointer) 16:20:24 <De_Ghosty> errrr isn't there a call to something to free everything? 16:20:31 <glx> no 16:20:38 <Gonozal_VIII> make it a function 16:20:40 <glx> you need to do it yourself 16:21:11 <Belugas> De_Ghosty: http://vergil.chemistry.gatech.edu/resources/programming/c-tutorial/dynamic.html 16:21:18 <Gonozal_VIII> garbage collector ftw^^ 16:21:19 <Belugas> read it, it will help you, i'm sure 16:22:01 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50c79a03.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 16:22:02 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 16:23:15 <De_Ghosty> oh i am reading it 16:23:27 <De_Ghosty> i donno how to signal or terminate properly 16:23:55 *** Ben_1 [~Ben@91.84.123.166] has joined #openttd 16:24:36 <dihedral> ET players in here? 16:26:12 <Gonozal_VIII> a game where you have to phone home? 16:26:57 <Vikthor> No, I presume he means Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory 16:27:10 <Gonozal_VIII> ah 16:27:14 <LeviathNL> I have the demo if you mean ET:Quake wars 16:27:27 <dihedral> no, simple ET 16:28:00 <Vikthor> Well I had been playing, but I cant get my mouse to work correctly with ET 16:28:14 <dihedral> give it another try 16:29:33 <Vikthor> Well it is since I upgraded to Xorg 7.3 16:30:02 <Vikthor> I cant turn mouse accel off 16:30:06 <Gonozal_VIII> http://www.adventure-archiv.com/etreviewe.htm <-- there really is an E.T. game where you have to phone home^^ 16:30:24 <Vikthor> Anyway I have to go, bye 16:30:39 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@212.24.150.226] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:31:12 *** _Ben_ [~Ben@82.153.73.169] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:33:05 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 16:37:12 *** |Bastiaan| [~kvirc@dsl-087-195-031-183.solcon.nl] has joined #openttd 16:37:48 *** XeryusTC2 [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 16:41:07 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:44:27 *** Mucht_ [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:44:55 <De_Ghosty> is there anyways to beak from a if ? 16:45:08 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has joined #openttd 16:45:41 <Gonozal_VIII> another if inside... 16:46:55 <De_Ghosty> if(asdf){if(fail)break;} 16:47:01 <De_Ghosty> i only wanna end the if 16:47:04 <De_Ghosty> first if 16:47:07 <De_Ghosty> and continue on 16:47:16 <glx> goto 16:47:50 <De_Ghosty> goto... 16:47:58 <De_Ghosty> i though it's bad to use goto 16:48:16 <Gonozal_VIII> just } 16:48:19 <BigBB> an extra function and return; 16:48:39 <De_Ghosty> ahhh 16:48:42 <De_Ghosty> good idea bigbb 16:48:43 <De_Ghosty> :) 16:48:47 <De_Ghosty> thx 16:48:48 <Eddi|zuHause> what happened to "else"? 16:48:50 <BigBB> np 16:48:53 <Belugas> it is indeed bad to use goto.. 16:50:04 <Gonozal_VIII> if(asdf){if(!fail) {do the rest} } 16:50:15 <Eddi|zuHause> if(asdf){x; if(fail){y;} else {z;}} 16:50:46 <De_Ghosty> bbl 16:51:07 <De_Ghosty> big if are hard to read 16:51:54 <Belugas> add comments 16:52:06 <Belugas> or split in smaller functions 16:53:32 *** ludde [~ludde@ua-83-227-238-252.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:53:40 <Gonozal_VIII> if(asdf){if(!fail) {do the rest} } <-- that's not bigger than break just the other way around 16:54:16 *** ludde [~ludde@ua-83-227-238-252.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 16:57:41 <Gonozal_VIII> if(asdf){do something; if(!fail){do the rest;}} makes more sense^^ 16:59:10 *** De_Ghosty [~c4command@141.117.176.147] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:00:05 <skidd13_UNI> Anyone tried the Intel Linux C++ Compiler? 17:00:19 <dihedral> nope 17:00:24 <dihedral> you tried playing ET? 17:00:30 *** Ben_ [~Ben@91.84.90.133] has joined #openttd 17:02:00 <skidd13_UNI> dihedral: yes... but ... I stopped playing shooters ;9 17:02:14 <dihedral> join us tonight 17:02:18 <dihedral> anyway 17:02:21 <dihedral> have to catch a bus 17:02:52 <Gonozal_VIII> ah yes.. those buggers are fast 17:07:49 *** Ben_1 [~Ben@91.84.123.166] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:11:24 *** De_Ghosty [~c4command@eng211-23.scs.ryerson.ca] has joined #openttd 17:12:12 *** Farden [~jk3farden@AMontsouris-156-1-28-94.w90-2.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:17:33 *** skidd13_UNI [~skidd13@p548A21AD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #openttd [] 17:20:52 <De_Ghosty> when i free something 17:20:56 <De_Ghosty> it become null right? 17:21:05 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-108-106.fttx.bbned.nl] has joined #openttd 17:21:08 <Rubidium> De_Ghosty: no 17:21:14 <Rubidium> free(x) doesn't make x null 17:21:17 <glx> it's safer to do free(pointer); pointer = NULL; 17:22:00 <Gonozal_VIII> why does that matter? 17:23:00 <De_Ghosty> k 17:23:30 *** exe [~zgibhy@pub70089.brzesko.net.pl] has joined #openttd 17:23:32 <De_Ghosty> do i crash if i free something twice? 17:24:12 <SmatZ> may happen, especially when the memory has been reallocated for some other data 17:24:38 <Gonozal_VIII> free(pointer); pointer = NULL; <-- you change it after you freed it? 17:26:09 *** exe [~zgibhy@pub70089.brzesko.net.pl] has left #openttd [] 17:26:10 <Rubidium> a pointer is technically a int-like type that contains the memory address of something 17:26:12 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-178-173.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 17:26:30 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A47061.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:26:46 <Rubidium> so you change the 'thing' that points, not the stuff that it is pointing to 17:26:46 *** exe [~zgibhy@pub70089.brzesko.net.pl] has joined #openttd 17:27:18 <Gonozal_VIII> aah 17:27:56 <Gonozal_VIII> had nothing of that in java... 17:28:29 *** |Bastiaan| [~kvirc@dsl-087-195-031-183.solcon.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:32:26 <De_Ghosty> so i should null it whenever i free it? 17:32:36 <De_Ghosty> k thx 17:37:51 <LeviathNL> Ammler, something is wring the the basecost grf, http://i8.tinypic.com/6tp6wpc.png in this pic other grf are also loaded but I also tested it with only basecosts and it does the same 17:38:50 *** dihedral is now known as Guest669 17:38:53 *** dihedral [~dihedral@dslb-084-057-235-226.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 17:39:50 *** Farden [~jk3farden@AMontsouris-156-1-140-219.w83-202.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 17:41:30 <Sionide> anybody had ottd working on a symbian s60 3rd edition device? 17:42:53 <spark_> ottd on symbian ? wow 17:47:45 <De_Ghosty> lol for your palm? 17:54:11 *** lolman is now known as John 17:54:29 *** eJoJ [~ejoj@89.10.29.107] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:55:50 *** De_Ghosty [~c4command@eng211-23.scs.ryerson.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:56:26 *** De_Ghosty [~c4command@eng211-23.scs.ryerson.ca] has joined #openttd 17:56:42 *** strongfrakk [cscsaba@catv54031530.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 17:56:45 *** strongfrakk [cscsaba@catv54031530.pool.t-online.hu] has left #openttd [] 17:56:58 *** Osai is now known as Osai^Kendo 17:59:20 *** John is now known as lolman 17:59:54 *** Peakki [antti@cs181247045.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: LÀhdössÀ] 18:03:06 *** Unknown_Entity [~UnknownEn@dslb-084-063-022-139.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:06:07 *** XeryusTC2 is now known as XeryusTC 18:06:30 *** Ben_1 [~Ben@82.152.175.189] has joined #openttd 18:09:58 *** eJoJ [~ejoj@89.10.29.107] has joined #openttd 18:14:02 *** Ben_ [~Ben@91.84.90.133] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:30:46 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@87.8.233.203] has joined #openttd 18:31:13 <Wolf01> hello 18:31:27 <SmatZ> hi 18:32:12 *** blathijs [~matthijs@katherina.student.utwente.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:39:08 <De_Ghosty> how i malloc 2d arrays? 18:41:42 <Gonozal_VIII> big 1d array and calculate 2. dimension :-) 18:42:58 <De_Ghosty> nvm 18:42:59 <De_Ghosty> i found it 18:43:19 <De_Ghosty> Belugas is awsome 18:43:20 <De_Ghosty> :) 18:46:23 <Belugas> i am? 18:46:27 <Belugas> thanks... 18:46:30 <Belugas> but... 18:46:39 <Bjarni> we kind of knew that ;) 18:46:42 *** Osai^Kendo [~Osai@pD9EB65F3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai^Kendo] 18:46:45 <Belugas> say that again :) it feels good :D 18:47:01 <Bjarni> ok 18:47:02 <Bjarni> we kind of knew that ;) 18:47:06 <Belugas> lol 18:47:43 <Bjarni> I knew it would make you happy :) 18:48:57 *** dihedral_ [~dihedral@dslb-084-057-235-226.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 18:55:14 <De_Ghosty> i don't get it 18:55:24 <De_Ghosty> how i creat a **matrix with malloc? 18:56:31 <De_Ghosty> or 2 d array 18:56:32 <SmatZ> De_Ghosty: malloc(m * n * sizeof(unit)) 18:56:32 <glx> malloc(xsize) then malloc(ysize) for each one 18:56:48 <De_Ghosty> but i can't use matrix[i][j] with that 18:57:03 <Bjarni> you can if you are wise 18:57:08 <De_Ghosty> i am no 18:57:10 <De_Ghosty> not* 18:57:10 <SmatZ> De_Ghosty: well... you could override the operator [] 18:57:16 <De_Ghosty> share some wisdom please 18:57:37 <SmatZ> or as said glx 18:57:41 <SmatZ> you could use [] [] 18:57:49 <SmatZ> if you do it that way 18:58:04 <De_Ghosty> so **matrix = malloc(xsize) malloc(ysize) 18:58:09 <SmatZ> no 18:58:10 <De_Ghosty> example please? 18:58:27 <Gonozal_VIII> that would be lots of mallocs 18:59:06 <Bjarni> I just wonder... wouldn't it be possible to malloc the array and then make a pointer which knows the [][] and make the pointer point to the newly allocated memory. That should do it 18:59:12 <SmatZ> uint **matrix = malloc(xsize * sizeof(uint)); 18:59:15 <Bjarni> the question is how to make the pointer 18:59:26 <De_Ghosty> how 18:59:27 <De_Ghosty> lol 18:59:38 <SmatZ> for (uint i = 0 ; i< xsize ; i++) matrix[i] = malloc(ysize*sizeof(uint)); 18:59:38 <glx> uint **matrix = malloc(xsize * sizeof(uint*)); I think 18:59:41 <SmatZ> i think 18:59:45 <SmatZ> glx is right 19:00:12 <exe> first malloc should be xsize * pointer size 19:00:13 <Bjarni> int *a[2][2] = &malloc; <-- I wonder if a simple line like that would work 19:00:41 <Bjarni> well, you would have to use malloc into a normal pointer and then use that pointer, but the basic idea... 19:00:44 <SmatZ> you are storing address of a function into some array? 19:01:09 <Bjarni> I think the idea in my psedo code went missing :( 19:01:57 <Bjarni> the idea is to make a pointer to the 2D array then store the pointer to the allocated memory in that pointer 19:02:40 <Gonozal_VIII> pointer to a pointer of a pointer pointer pointer :S 19:03:06 <Bjarni> sounds like multiple road stops 19:03:10 <Bjarni> it uses **** 19:03:14 <SmatZ> :-) 19:03:17 <glx> really? 19:03:23 <Bjarni> yeah 19:03:45 <Bjarni> it could likely be simplified by call by reference 19:03:51 <Bjarni> but it's from the C era 19:04:44 *** welterde [welterde@gandalf.srv.welterde.de] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.2.6] 19:05:22 <glx> I can't find **** in source 19:05:52 <Bjarni> maybe somebody simplified it 19:06:02 <De_Ghosty> is uint for C? 19:06:14 <Bjarni> or maybe it was only *** 19:06:19 <hylje> ******* 19:06:36 <Bjarni> :::::PPPPP 19:07:04 <Rubidium> *** is (usually) a Bjarniism ;) 19:07:28 <Bjarni> Celestar wrote this 19:07:42 <glx> vehicle list use *** and that's the only place in code 19:08:29 <Bjarni> maybe somebody cleaned up the vehicle stop code 19:08:39 <hylje> you do it 19:08:42 <hylje> so we have a bjarnism 19:08:45 <De_Ghosty> int ** create2dDynamicMatrix(int row,int col){ 19:08:46 <De_Ghosty> int *arry = malloc(col * sizeof(int*)); 19:08:46 <De_Ghosty> int **matrix =malloc(row*sizeof(arry)); 19:08:46 <De_Ghosty> return (matrix); 19:08:46 <De_Ghosty> } 19:08:49 <De_Ghosty> would that work? 19:09:16 <Rubidium> De_Ghosty: it would work, but it won't give the expected result 19:10:08 <De_Ghosty> o 19:10:12 <De_Ghosty> ok.... 19:10:19 <Rubidium> T** arr = malloc(col * sizeof(T*); for (uint i = 0; i < col; i++) arr[i] = malloc(row * sizeof(T)); return arr; 19:10:32 <De_Ghosty> this is c btw 19:10:44 <Rubidium> *but* you have to be precise with freeing it too 19:10:58 <De_Ghosty> ahhh that is painful lol 19:11:32 *** Tlustoch [~last_evol@r5bn73.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 19:11:46 <Rubidium> so you at least need to remember the value of 'col' too if you intend to properly free it's memory 19:11:58 *** mode/#openttd [-b *!*Sacro@*.karoo.KCOM.COM] by Bjarni 19:12:28 <Bjarni> maybe he will come back and NOT copy paste sick stuff in other languages again 19:12:35 <Bjarni> and then again... it's Sacro 19:12:41 <Sacro> ? 19:13:01 <Sacro> you mean i was still banned? 19:13:07 <Bjarni> yeah 19:13:19 <Sacro> someone could have told me... 19:13:23 <Bjarni> now I wonder why you were here while being banned 19:13:29 <Bjarni> all 19:13:32 <Bjarni> *ahh 19:13:33 <Sacro> nobody told me i was banned :\ 19:13:45 <Bjarni> you logged in using your real name, not Sacro 19:13:47 <Gonozal_VIII> ^^ 19:14:02 <Bjarni> we should have banned the ISP 19:14:04 <Rubidium> Sacro: nobody told you were banned? My logs says the contrary 19:14:05 <Sacro> Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM 19:14:12 <Sacro> Rubidium: i got kicked and banned 19:14:21 <Sacro> but then my bnc died, when it restarted it joined fine 19:14:24 <Rubidium> no, you got banned and kicked 19:14:37 <Sacro> A + B = B + a 19:14:46 <Rubidium> no 19:14:46 <hylje> A = a ? 19:14:48 <Bjarni> A != a 19:15:04 <Bjarni> and what are A and B? 19:15:15 <Sacro> where A = a 19:15:17 <hylje> arbitrary named values 19:15:18 <Rubidium> with banned then kicked the kicked person knows (s)he is banned, with kicked then banned the kicked person does not 19:15:37 <Sacro> it tells me i cannot join #openttd (you are banned) 19:15:46 <Bjarni> if A and B are matrices... 19:18:04 *** BigBB [~BigBB@p57A2C9E7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:20:18 *** BigBB [~BigBB@p57A2C9E7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:22:56 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CFCF.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:24:39 *** exe [~zgibhy@pub70089.brzesko.net.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:27:50 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-150-236.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 19:31:56 <De_Ghosty> can i 19:32:35 <De_Ghosty> for (int i = 0; i < (int*)sizeof(matrix); i++) 19:32:44 <De_Ghosty> free( sizeof(matrix[i])) 19:32:46 <De_Ghosty> ; 19:32:55 <SmatZ> no 19:33:01 <De_Ghosty> free( matrix); 19:33:14 <De_Ghosty> what does sizeof (matrix) get me? 19:33:18 <SmatZ> i < (int*)sizeof(matrix) 19:33:20 <Rubidium> yes, but it least a lot of allocated memory 19:33:31 <SmatZ> is strange line 19:33:37 *** BigBB [~BigBB@p57A2C9E7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:33:39 <De_Ghosty> o 19:33:45 <De_Ghosty> errr how i get number of rows? 19:33:47 <Rubidium> De_Ghosty: sizeof('pointer') 19:33:53 <Rubidium> De_Ghosty: you don't 19:33:58 <De_Ghosty> ok thx 19:34:17 <Rubidium> that's why I said you have to keep track of it yourself 19:34:28 <Gonozal_VIII> you made the matrix, you know the size 19:34:29 <SmatZ> De_Ghosty: generally you have to remember it somewhere 19:34:45 <SmatZ> yes, you are the God of that matrix 19:34:49 <Gonozal_VIII> :D 19:35:16 <Gonozal_VIII> you are the chosen one! 19:35:40 <SmatZ> yes :) 19:36:17 <De_Ghosty> lol 19:39:50 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-154-045.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: und weg] 19:39:59 *** [1]Mark [~Mark@5351EA48.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 19:40:51 *** [1]Mark is now known as Mark 19:41:07 <De_Ghosty> void freeAllocatedIntPtr(int num_row, int num_col,int**x){ 19:41:07 <De_Ghosty> int i=0; 19:41:07 <De_Ghosty> int j = 0; 19:41:07 <De_Ghosty> for (i=0;i<num_row;i++){ 19:41:07 <De_Ghosty> for (j=0;j<num_col;j++); 19:41:08 <De_Ghosty> free (x[i][j]); 19:41:08 <De_Ghosty> free (x[i]; 19:41:10 <De_Ghosty> free (x) 19:41:10 <De_Ghosty> } 19:41:12 <De_Ghosty> } 19:41:26 <De_Ghosty> is the j counter redundent? 19:41:32 <SmatZ> De_Ghosty: there is paste.openttd.org, you know 19:41:47 <SmatZ> is it a 3D array? 19:42:32 <De_Ghosty> no 2 d 19:42:33 <Gonozal_VIII> why 3d? 19:42:37 <De_Ghosty> no idea 19:42:43 <De_Ghosty> i though it was extra 19:42:44 <De_Ghosty> just checking 19:43:08 <Rubidium> freeing ints isn't the safest thing to do 19:43:10 <dihedral_> Enemy Territory game at openttd.dihedral.de" target="_blank">openttd.dihedral.de (/connect openttd.dihedral.de" target="_blank">openttd.dihedral.de) server name: #Openttdcoop.ET all required files at http://pub.dihedral.de/ET 19:43:27 <SmatZ> De_Ghosty: your code ~ would free a 3D array 19:43:32 <De_Ghosty> ok 19:43:37 <De_Ghosty> thx 19:44:06 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-096-189.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 19:44:14 <dihedral_> feel free to join #openttdcoop.et 19:45:35 <dihedral_> what was that De_Ghosty ? 19:46:16 <Gonozal_VIII> what was what? 19:46:38 <De_Ghosty> what happen if i cast int** into int* 19:46:42 <De_Ghosty> nothing 19:46:46 <De_Ghosty> what is et? 19:47:02 <De_Ghosty> can i cast int** into int*? 19:47:25 <Gonozal_VIII> i don't know what ** and * means so no idea 19:47:47 <Rubidium> De_Ghosty: you can cast anything into everything in C 19:47:55 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:48:00 <Rubidium> whether it works as expected is something completely different 19:49:18 <dihedral_> Gonozal_VIII: De_Ghosty just showed up on #openttdcoop.et for one second and was gone again 19:49:32 <Gonozal_VIII> hehe 19:51:00 <De_Ghosty> so if i cast int ** into int* 19:51:15 <De_Ghosty> i can reference it like a 1 dimension rigt? 19:51:18 <De_Ghosty> or does it break down? 19:51:27 <De_Ghosty> nvm 19:51:32 <De_Ghosty> i'll do it the safe way 19:54:08 <SmatZ> you can, but then it will be array of int, not array of int* ... int* and int can have different sizes 19:55:45 *** dihedral is now known as Guest684 19:55:46 *** dihedral_ is now known as dihedral 19:57:42 <De_Ghosty> so it wouldn't break? 19:58:20 *** Arpad [~Gali@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:58:56 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:59:15 <Noldo_> what is it taht you need to do? 19:59:36 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has joined #openttd 20:07:52 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A47061.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 20:09:03 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387C513.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 20:09:54 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 20:11:12 *** Ammller [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-178-173.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 20:11:21 <Wolf01> LeviathNL, i see you edit the post about the who.. shores, i was thinking if that word might had another mean, but i found nothing ;) 20:11:29 *** Ammller [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-178-173.adslplus.ch] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:19:10 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-108-106.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [Quit: reboot] 20:21:53 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-108-106.fttx.bbned.nl] has joined #openttd 20:24:14 *** Gonozal_VIII [user@cm56-182-132.liwest.at] has quit [Quit: Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com] 20:24:18 *** KritiK_ [~Maxim@78-106-183-247.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 20:24:33 *** Gonozal_VIII [user@cm56-182-132.liwest.at] has joined #openttd 20:24:45 *** Gonozal_VIII [user@cm56-182-132.liwest.at] has quit [] 20:24:47 *** Gonozal_VIII [user@cm56-182-132.liwest.at] has joined #openttd 20:24:53 <Gonozal_VIII> oops 20:27:56 <LeviathNL> Ammler, did you see this: http://tinypic.com/fullsize.php?pic=6tp6wpc&s=1 20:28:29 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:29:34 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-150-236.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:29:36 *** KritiK_ is now known as KritiK 20:29:45 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 20:30:34 <Rubidium> anyone in here know how to start TTDP in for example Russian? 20:31:49 <LeviathNL> http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=LanguageSelection maybe this'll help 20:32:38 <DaleStan> set LANG=ru first, I believe. Note that this only controls TTDPatch (ttdpatch[w].exe), not Patched TTD (TTDLOAD[W].OVL). 20:34:29 <glx> I tried that, I get russian in ttdp console, but I fail change language in ttdp 20:35:28 <DaleStan> Like I said. That's for ttdpatchw.exe, not TTDLOADW.OVL. For the latter, you need an appropriate translation grf file. 20:36:29 <Rubidium> but shouldn't some NewGRF like ECS Machinery use Russian in that case? 20:37:38 <Ammler> [21:27] <LeviathNL> Ammler, did you see this: http://tinypic.com/fullsize.php?pic=6tp6wpc&s=1 <-- you know, you need to change the value over Scenario Editor or starting a new game 20:37:41 <DaleStan> Maybe it should, but it is as designed that it does not. 20:37:55 <LeviathNL> Ammler, that is a new game 20:41:21 <Ammler> ok, added your screen to the wiki 20:41:31 <Ammler> I will check it 20:42:13 * dihedral greets DaleStan 20:44:41 <De_Ghosty> null pointer is NULL right? 20:45:06 <Rubidium> usually yes 20:47:59 <De_Ghosty> yes it 20:48:01 <De_Ghosty> is 20:48:03 <De_Ghosty> just tried it :d 20:48:32 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:48:44 <Gonozal_VIII> null is german for zero :-) 20:49:28 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 20:49:35 <Rubidium> shouldn't the first letter be capitalized? 20:50:00 <Gonozal_VIII> that's irc... i don't capitalize anything here 20:50:30 <Rubidium> well null != Null in C 20:51:07 <Rubidium> gonozal_viii: really? 20:51:08 <Gonozal_VIII> but yes, it should be N 20:51:14 <Gonozal_VIII> hehe 20:51:38 <Gonozal_VIII> i don't have to type my nick often 20:53:15 <Gonozal_VIII> else it would probably be something like gonozal8 or gono 20:53:22 <Gonozal_VIII> <-- lazy 20:53:36 <Gonozal_VIII> or atlan :-) 20:54:09 <De_Ghosty> oop 20:54:12 <De_Ghosty> time to go 20:54:20 <De_Ghosty> later guys 20:54:21 <De_Ghosty> thx 20:54:30 <Gonozal_VIII> cu 20:54:31 *** De_Ghosty [~c4command@eng211-23.scs.ryerson.ca] has quit [Quit: Ghost by The pwnage] 20:55:15 *** Entane [~Entane@206.84-48-202.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 20:59:20 *** Peakki [antti@cs181247045.pp.htv.fi] has joined #openttd 20:59:41 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387C513.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 21:00:26 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:01:19 *** Mark [~Mark@5351EA48.cable.casema.nl] has left #openttd [] 21:02:41 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 21:08:15 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387C513.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 21:12:20 <Belugas> [15:39] <DaleStan> Maybe it should, but it is as designed that it does not. <--- what do you mean? That George made some errors in ECS? 21:12:57 <Belugas> or better yet, what should he had done in order to make it right? 21:13:07 *** Sacro [Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:13:11 <Belugas> or even better, do you think he knows? 21:13:14 <DaleStan> No. That the setting of LANG was never intended to have an effect on TTD's in-game language. 21:13:53 <DaleStan> LANG only affects the messages emitted by ttdpatch[w].exe, not TTDLOAD[W].OVL. 21:15:41 <Belugas> ok. 21:17:11 <Belugas> so, in order to get ECS in TTDP to have russian strings, there is a required grf that needs to be included 21:17:23 <Belugas> if i understand it correctly 21:18:23 <Eddi|zuHause> Gonozal_VIII: why type any nick if you can use tab-completition? 21:18:52 *** Peakki [antti@cs181247045.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:19:29 <Rubidium> because gonozal_viii only talks in lowercase 21:20:16 <Prof_Frink> Pfft. Gonozal_VIII is not asiego. 21:23:30 <Gonozal_VIII> not what? 21:23:39 <SmatZ> asiego 21:24:27 <Gonozal_VIII> that's something spanish? 21:24:50 *** Arpad [~Gali@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 21:26:09 <Prof_Frink> sorry, s/ie/ei/ 21:26:58 <LeviathNL> Ammler, you might wanna check out the action 10 labels in Basecosts.grf, you didn't define a label so the first byte of the first character is the label. some action7 might jump to a Action 10 instead of the number of sprites you declared 21:27:56 <SmatZ> I don't know 21:30:25 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: Always remember you're unique, just like everyone else.] 21:31:42 <DaleStan> Belugas: Yes. Any GRF that sets var 9F to the correct value. 21:35:06 <LeviathNL> Ammler, if a parameter is set to 255 should it ignore all the modifiers behind it? 21:35:30 *** cybermage [~cybermage@gw.cybercave.cz] has joined #openttd 21:35:34 <cybermage> gday all :) 21:35:38 <LeviathNL> hi 21:35:52 <cybermage> I may have stupid question :) 21:36:09 <glx> just ask 21:36:11 <cybermage> Do you know about any scripts which will build OpenTTD server statistics? 21:36:15 <Gonozal_VIII> there are no stupid questions, only stupid answers 21:36:35 <glx> like ottdlib? 21:36:37 <Eddi|zuHause> that is a common misconception... 21:36:54 <Gonozal_VIII> i know but i always wanted to say that :-) 21:37:10 <cybermage> what is ottdlib ? 21:37:23 <Eddi|zuHause> a lib that interfaces with ottd 21:38:10 <cybermage> any link? 21:38:36 <Bjarni> <cybermage> I may have stupid question :) <-- the most common stupid question in here is "may I ask a question?"... specially since it's a question so answering no will make an issue with rule violation :P 21:38:37 <cybermage> google did not provide any answer 21:39:22 <cybermage> You see, I did not ask if I can ask :) 21:39:37 <cybermage> I just commented out, that I will have stupid question:) 21:40:22 <glx> cybermage: it is openttdlib indeed :) 21:40:36 <cybermage> that may be the problem, thanks 21:44:55 *** Zavior [~zavior@d195-237-7-209.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:45:00 <cybermage> hmm, interesting :) 21:45:26 *** Dephenom [~paul@80.175.234.185] has joined #openttd 21:46:15 <Prof_Frink> Bjarni: Hence why blitzed/#linux has "Don't ask if you can ask, just ask! (Then be patient)" in the topic 21:47:34 <Bjarni> yeah 21:48:02 <Bjarni> we cleaned up our topic because it contained too much info so people didn't read it, but this is something we would like to use 21:48:13 <cybermage> hehe 21:48:23 <cybermage> Have you ever worked at IT support? 21:48:34 <Bjarni> yes 21:48:51 <Bjarni> "my computer can't start"... I plugged it in and it booted just fine 21:48:58 <Bjarni> stuff like that 21:49:18 <Bjarni> kind of like kindergarten :s 21:49:53 <Eddi|zuHause> Prof_Frink: in my experience, that does not help 21:49:56 <cybermage> I think you should never tell something like "There are no stupid questions" 21:50:07 <cybermage> There are :) 21:50:25 <Prof_Frink> "Hello IT, have you tried turning it off and on again? Are you sure it's plugged in?" 21:50:49 *** G_ [~njones@202.154.150.91] has joined #openttd 21:50:54 <Rubidium> sounds like "The IT Crowd" 21:52:08 * Prof_Frink hands Rubidium the prize 21:52:12 <Ammler> [22:35] <LeviathNL> Ammler, if a parameter is set to 255 should it ignore all the modifiers behind it? <-- no, it does 21:52:13 <cybermage> Most of it is based on a true story 21:52:31 <Bjarni> the best thing is that he was aware that it was unplugged, but somehow he had the idea that the battery would last forever 21:52:38 *** G [~njones@202.154.150.91] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:53:08 <Ammler> only ignore that one and will set defaults to not set 21:55:15 <cybermage> anyone who has experience with openttdlib? 21:55:23 <SpComb> dihedral 21:55:27 <cybermage> I have problem with 21:55:43 <cybermage> PHP Fatal error: Call to undefined function bcadd() in /home/openttd/openttdlib/OpenTTDLib-0.3/includes/OpenTTDLibPacket.php on line 266 21:55:52 <SpComb> the bcmath module 21:56:01 <Rubidium> Prof_Frink: you only missed the distinct sound of the recorder starting ;) 21:56:03 <cybermage> php is compiled with '--enable-bcmath=shared' 21:56:07 <dihedral> hehe 21:56:20 <Rubidium> s/recorder/'tape player'/ 21:56:42 <dihedral> windows or linux? 21:56:48 <cybermage> CentOS5 21:56:51 <cybermage> (linux ;) ) 21:56:57 <dihedral> phpinfo() 21:57:02 <cybermage> done 21:57:07 <dihedral> and search the page for 'bc' 21:57:08 <cybermage> '--enable-bcmath=shared' 21:57:20 <dihedral> did you compile it as such yourself? 21:57:31 <cybermage> no, that's CentOS default build 21:57:44 <dihedral> give me a second 21:58:36 <cybermage> I am just running example 21:59:17 <dihedral> where can i see available rpm's to centos5? 22:00:09 <cybermage> what should I look for? 22:00:33 <dihedral> php5 and bcmath :-) 22:00:46 <dihedral> sometimes they are seperated over multiple packages 22:00:50 <cybermage> ok 22:01:22 <SpComb> with shared you still need the .so 22:01:37 <cybermage> yea 22:01:51 <cybermage> that's the problem, thanks m8 22:02:04 <dihedral> :-) 22:02:06 <dihedral> ya welcome 22:02:19 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB65F3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:02:34 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387C513.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 22:04:30 *** Guest684 is now known as dihedral_ 22:05:12 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:10:25 *** eJoJ [~ejoj@89.10.29.107] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:11:03 <cybermage> that lib is cool! 22:11:16 <cybermage> I think I am going to create stats :) 22:11:19 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB65F3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai] 22:11:57 <cybermage> thanks m8 22:12:55 <cybermage> Guys, how is it with patches? 22:13:02 <cybermage> I found no info anywhere 22:13:07 <dihedral> ? 22:13:08 <cybermage> If I am running server 22:13:28 <cybermage> I think I have to install patches there 22:13:35 <cybermage> but what about clients? 22:13:43 <cybermage> do they need to install patches too ? 22:13:53 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CFCF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:14:50 <dihedral> if you run a server, you do not _have_ to patch the source 22:15:00 <dihedral> if you do patch the source, it depends what you patch 22:15:21 <dihedral> if it's related to the game directly (i.e. calculations) then all clients will need a patched binary too 22:15:29 <cybermage> hmm 22:15:45 <cybermage> I am a little bit slow in the evening 22:16:02 <cybermage> If I want to have some new buildings and wehicles on a server 22:16:10 <cybermage> what should I basically do with the server ? 22:16:24 <cybermage> *vehicles* 22:16:58 <Gonozal_VIII> you need only some newgrfs then, no patches 22:17:12 <dihedral> get newgrf's :-) 22:17:21 <cybermage> ok :) 22:17:28 <cybermage> and what about clients? 22:17:37 <cybermage> where will they download these? 22:17:37 <Gonozal_VIII> they also need them 22:17:45 <Gonozal_VIII> http://grfcrawler.tt-forums.net/ 22:17:48 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB65F3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:17:59 <cybermage> How do they know that they will need some patch ? 22:18:46 <Gonozal_VIII> they see it in the server selection screen 22:19:22 <dihedral> it's a grf 22:19:34 <dihedral> the game will tell them that either they have a missmatch or it's ok 22:19:41 <cybermage> ok 22:19:51 <cybermage> thanks m8 22:20:03 <cybermage> One of my servers seems to be very bussy ;) 22:20:09 <cybermage> planning to implement new one 22:20:40 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A419A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:22:16 <Gonozal_VIII> you could try a nightly server, there are not many of them 22:22:51 *** Tlustoch [~last_evol@r5bn73.net.upc.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:23:14 <cybermage> if you want .. 22:23:23 <cybermage> actually I don't care so much 22:23:32 <cybermage> OpenTTD does not consume much traffic 22:23:35 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A419A.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 22:23:38 <Gonozal_VIII> not if i want... you don't have to do what i say^^ 22:23:41 <cybermage> and even not so many system resources ;) 22:24:10 <cybermage> There is no difference for me if I run stable one or nightly build one 22:24:51 <Rubidium> the biggest problem with servers is that virtually none of them are properly monitored 22:26:12 <cybermage> what does that mean? 22:26:56 <Rubidium> that people start a server, that some 'bad' people join the server and bully everyone from that server 22:26:57 <Gonozal_VIII> there are some people that like to ruin the game for others 22:27:05 <Rubidium> and that there is noone who stops them 22:27:40 <cybermage> I will ban them 22:27:46 <cybermage> without mercy 22:27:54 <Gonozal_VIII> only if you see them 22:28:00 <cybermage> but I need some support for log 22:28:19 <cybermage> I need to log -> Nick, IP .... 22:28:26 <cybermage> then I will get it :) 22:28:49 <Gonozal_VIII> it's not difficult to get a different ip 22:28:50 <Rubidium> IPs and Nicks are generally useless for banning :( 22:29:03 <cybermage> IP's are very usefull 22:29:11 <Rubidium> cybermage: really? 22:29:21 <cybermage> Block range of his provider ;) 22:29:39 <Wolf01> 'night 22:29:44 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@87.8.233.203] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 22:29:49 <Rubidium> block 0.0.0.0/0 22:29:52 <cybermage> Iptables is a very good invention ;) 22:29:57 <Rubidium> done... no people ruining your game 22:30:04 <cybermage> hehe :) 22:30:27 <cybermage> iptables -I INPUT --source x.y.z.a/b -j DROP ;) 22:30:43 <Rubidium> start by adding 81.171.98.111 ;) 22:30:55 <cybermage> that is already blocked I think 22:31:06 *** Sacro [Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 22:31:34 <Rubidium> it is *the* most effective way of making no harmful people join 22:31:56 <cybermage> no it is not 22:32:11 <Rubidium> it is 22:32:13 <Gonozal_VIII> is that the advertise server? 22:32:17 <Rubidium> as that is the IP of the masterserver 22:32:25 <cybermage> my current banlist: 213.98.80.75 88.73.240.144 89.178.252.148 22:32:31 <Sacro> 'ning all 22:32:32 <Rubidium> and dropping input from the masterserver means you'll never be on the masterserver 22:32:46 <cybermage> I am advertising my server 22:32:54 <Rubidium> and thus nobody will see your server in the serverlist 22:32:57 <cybermage> no issues with bad guys as I know ;) 22:34:02 <cybermage> Once I find out how to log nick and IP's 22:34:10 <cybermage> I will have everything :) 22:34:16 <Gonozal_VIII> i only play with some friends, so no avertise and a pw 22:34:27 <cybermage> I advertize my server :) 22:34:35 <cybermage> I have no issue with it :) 22:34:47 <cybermage> anyway :) 22:35:03 <cybermage> what to increase to see who is joining ? 22:35:11 <cybermage> what variable ? 22:35:56 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has joined #openttd 22:36:35 <dihedral> ? 22:37:04 <cybermage> I am using mostly linux console 22:37:11 <cybermage> I need to increase net verbosity 22:37:26 <cybermage> to see what's the source address of player, which is currently connecting 22:40:01 *** Zr40 [~zr40@2001:960:786:0:21b:63ff:fe9e:ab24] has joined #openttd 22:40:19 <cybermage> ha found 22:40:25 <cybermage> debug_level net=1 :) 22:40:38 <cybermage> thanks guys :) 22:40:44 <cybermage> 'night all 22:40:46 <cybermage> have fun 22:40:48 <cybermage> bye 22:40:49 *** cybermage [~cybermage@gw.cybercave.cz] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:45:47 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:46:57 *** Farden [~jk3farden@AMontsouris-156-1-140-219.w83-202.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )] 22:48:45 *** Hendikins [~wolfox@ppp121-44-16-194.lns10.syd7.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:49:45 *** Hendikins [~wolfox@ppp121-44-1-135.lns10.syd7.internode.on.net] has joined #openttd 22:50:20 *** Osai^2 [~Osai@pD9EB4E6E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:50:30 *** Zr40 [~zr40@2001:960:786:0:21b:63ff:fe9e:ab24] has quit [Quit: Zr40] 22:53:05 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-164-75.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 22:55:54 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A419A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:56:02 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A419A.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [ZZZzzzz.] 22:56:54 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB65F3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:04:04 *** Osai^2 is now known as Osai 23:05:55 *** eJoJ [~ejoj@89.10.29.107] has joined #openttd 23:06:31 *** Osai is now known as Osai^zZz 23:07:34 *** dihedral_ [~dihedral@dslb-084-057-235-226.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.9/2007102514]] 23:07:47 *** Guest669 [~dihedral@joshua.dihedral.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:13:31 <Rubidium> DaleStan: would it be a problem (for TTDP) when I use the 7th bit of the Action 5 type to tell whether there is an extra byte with offset from where to start replacing sprites (I would like to support changing a subset of sprites for some types). The bit will only have meaning for some types that I want to add for making replacing OpenTTD's sprites easier. 23:14:04 <Rubidium> so for the current types the bit must not be set 23:15:28 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:15:37 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-183-247.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:22:59 <dihedral> is it possible to kinda 'ban' a certain user in tt-forums from certain threads? 23:23:29 <Gonozal_VIII> ? 23:23:47 <dihedral> this maartena guy is p****** me off 23:23:56 <Rubidium> with a decent browser and some decent script you can I think 23:24:05 <dihedral> LOL 23:25:04 <Rubidium> you'll always have people who want other people to do the thinking work... 23:25:53 <dihedral> if i could i'd slap him left and right and send him to mars 23:25:53 <Rubidium> like people buying a computer, going home with the box and calling the support desk asking "what do I do now?" 23:26:21 <Gonozal_VIII> 5 posts in a row :-) 23:26:39 <Rubidium> be happy your lib is only a niche product and you only have one such user 23:27:06 <dihedral> i responded at one ocation with 23:27:10 <dihedral> compare it to: you phoning microsoft because thunderbird is unable to contact the mail server due to a router misconfiguration! 23:27:20 <dihedral> :-P 23:27:24 <dihedral> still amuses me :-D 23:28:01 <Rubidium> dihedral: the person did not even open the box! 23:28:17 <dihedral> no - and is still complaining 23:28:25 <Rubidium> it's like calling microsoft so they can help you downloading thunderbird 23:28:39 *** BigBB [~BigBB@p57A2C9E7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:28:39 <dihedral> ;-P 23:29:02 <dihedral> he posted an error message, that clearly states what is wrong, and is described in the docs 23:29:14 <dihedral> and even sent me a mail about it saying it was buggy 23:29:31 <dihedral> all because he seems unable to understand 'cannot read from ...' 23:29:38 <dihedral> and set the premissions correctly 23:32:00 *** exe [~zgibhy@pub70089.brzesko.net.pl] has joined #openttd 23:32:17 <Rubidium> and begin your (donot)readme with often occuring errors before even mentioning reporting bugs 23:33:29 <Gonozal_VIII> hehe, you rtfm'd him :-) 23:33:30 <Rubidium> btw: there is an inconsistency between the about in the readme and the about in the user guid about the origin 23:33:48 <dihedral> ops 23:33:50 <dihedral> thanks... 23:34:09 <Rubidium> but still... mention common bugs in the (donot)readme and not in some userguide 23:34:19 *** Entane [~Entane@206.84-48-202.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:34:43 <dihedral> if there were common bugs 23:35:12 <Rubidium> bugs/issues... all one big pile of bogus 23:35:38 *** Entane [~Entane@206.84-48-202.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 23:36:08 <dihedral> unless you define 'bugs' as "users, who seemingly believe they are totally capable of doing anything, (un)pleasantly surprise you with the fact that they actually have no idea whatsoever of what is going on around them. in some situations they may also prove to be incapable of reading manuals and/or error messages" 23:36:38 <dihedral> hey - i like that ;-D 23:37:11 <dihedral> Gonozal_VIII: yes - i did rtfm him - and now i am actually curious to see his reaction towards that :-P 23:37:21 <dihedral> much nicer than saying 'you p me off' 23:37:37 <Rubidium> dihedral: it is a fact that people do not read a userguide for reasons why something doesn't work. 23:38:09 <dihedral> i _always_ read what i find... 23:38:19 <Rubidium> dihedral: have you read docs.openttd.org? 23:38:43 <dihedral> seen it on more than one ocation 23:39:02 *** ludde [~ludde@ua-83-227-238-252.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:39:10 <Rubidium> but have you completely read it? 23:39:18 *** eJoJ [~ejoj@89.10.29.107] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:39:23 <Rubidium> that's my point. Nobody will have completely read it. 23:39:27 <SmatZ> :-D 23:39:29 <dihedral> i had no need to so far :-) 23:39:45 <dihedral> and yes - i read parts 23:40:12 <dihedral> but must say - grep and less seem more intuitive 23:40:44 <SmatZ> hundreds of thousands of lines to read... 23:41:05 <Gonozal_VIII> millions! 23:41:09 <Gonozal_VIII> ^^ 23:41:27 <dihedral> Rubidium: is that not the way you read manuals - you pick the stuff that suits your current situation 23:41:48 <dihedral> you only read one man page if you need help on iptables 23:41:52 <dihedral> and not all man pages :-D 23:42:45 <Rubidium> one manpage about iptables? 23:42:50 <Rubidium> that doesn't cover everything 23:47:19 <dihedral> no 23:47:23 <dihedral> just was en example 23:47:31 <dihedral> who is athanasios? 23:49:58 <SmatZ> who? 23:51:33 <dihedral> nvm 23:51:38 <dihedral> just some new kid :-D 23:51:57 <dihedral> who thought my post was 'offensive' 23:52:01 <SmatZ> :( 23:53:26 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CFCF.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:54:20 *** eJoJ [~ejoj@89.10.29.107] has joined #openttd 23:55:51 <dihedral> i'll see what a forum admin has to say to it 23:55:55 <exe> anyone knows pathfinding? could this be possible? http://sharpttd.top100.net.pl/wiki/index.php?title=Pathfinding 23:56:17 *** eJoJ [~ejoj@89.10.29.107] has quit [] 23:58:56 <dihedral> time for bed 23:58:58 <dihedral> good night