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00:00:12 <Bjarni> at least I hope you have an idea of what I just said ;) 00:00:32 <Gonozal_VIII> i have :P 00:02:38 *** BigBB [~BigBB@p5B043292.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 00:04:40 *** prakti [~prakti@port-213-148-152-8.static.qsc.de] has quit [Quit: Quitting .... Hackedi...hackedi...weg.] 00:05:21 <glx> â, â€, ... indeed 00:05:31 <Bjarni> heh 00:05:35 <Bjarni> didn't bother with unicode 00:05:46 <Bjarni> but yes that's how they are written 00:05:50 <Gonozal_VIII> ... 00:05:59 <Bjarni> ...? 00:06:03 <glx> and Gonozal_VIII can't see them :) 00:06:14 <Bjarni> that calls for a kick 00:06:27 <Bjarni> look at the topic 00:06:54 <glx> I even have ã, ã, ... in the font 00:07:04 <Gonozal_VIII> everybody wants to kick me :-( 00:07:35 <Gonozal_VIII> ¯_¯_ 00:07:37 <Bjarni> the channel rules says that it's not allowed to complain that you can't see the unicode chars somebody else writes in here 00:07:39 <Gonozal_VIII> i have stuff like that 00:08:11 <Bjarni> ensure that you use a good font and UTF-8 00:08:14 <glx> Gonozal_VIII: was kiloohms and megaohms 00:08:17 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F990.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:08:47 <glx> arial unicode contains a lot of nice stuff :) 00:09:06 <Gonozal_VIII> it was upper half block and lower half block... 00:09:23 <Bjarni> hmm 00:09:50 <Bjarni> I never actually selected a font... I opened Xchat for the first time and it looked nice with whatever it picked for me so I never changed it 00:10:02 <Bjarni> and it appears like it contains more or less all chars 00:10:09 <Bjarni> I have yet to find missing chars in it 00:10:20 <Gonozal_VIII> did you see the blocks? 00:10:32 <Bjarni> are the blocks UTF-8? 00:10:39 <Gonozal_VIII> pfffff 00:11:04 <Bjarni> <Gonozal_VIII> ¯_¯_ <-- you mean this? 00:11:40 <Gonozal_VIII> that's A with ^ and some lines... 00:11:41 <glx> [01:07:36] <Gonozal_VIII> ¯_¯_ <-- that's what I see 00:11:56 <Bjarni> I see the same as glx 00:11:59 <Bjarni> I think 00:12:18 <Bjarni> 4 lines 00:12:23 <Bjarni> two upper and two lower 00:12:38 <Gonozal_VIII> shouldn' be lines but blocks 00:12:43 *** geoff_k [~geoff_k__@host86-147-159-39.range86-147.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 00:12:45 <glx> I see square_square_ 00:12:46 <Bjarni> looks like a square clock signal 00:12:56 *** Aerandir [magic.powe@90-230-201-111-no37.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Quit: - nbs-irc 2.36 - www.nbs-irc.net -] 00:12:57 <Gonozal_VIII> arial unicode u 2580 00:13:31 <Gonozal_VIII> and u 2584 00:14:17 <Bjarni> ââ 00:14:34 <glx> ââ 00:14:35 <Bjarni> that's two boxes on my screen 00:14:42 <glx> I have them too :) 00:14:43 <Bjarni> using the two numbers you just siad 00:14:47 <Bjarni> *said 00:15:27 <Gonozal_VIII> you could make a checkboard with the, yay :-) 00:15:33 <Gonozal_VIII> m 00:15:42 <Bjarni> æ <-- looks like the unicode palette finds this char related to u 2584 00:15:50 <Bjarni> it's u 6302 00:15:58 <Bjarni> I fail to see how they are related though 00:16:20 <Gonozal_VIII> i see ae CE 00:16:44 <Bjarni> maybe this char means box in Chinese or something 00:16:45 <Gonozal_VIII> OE 00:17:13 <Bjarni> it's two against one 00:17:23 <ln-> ââââââââ 00:17:23 <ln-> ââââââââ 00:17:23 <ln-> ââââââââ 00:17:23 <ln-> ââââââââ 00:17:26 <Bjarni> Gonozal_VIII: please fix your font/encoding 00:17:35 <Gonozal_VIII> can't 00:17:38 <Bjarni> ln-: good one :) 00:17:56 <ln-> Gonozal_VIII: then stop complaining about it because it's obviously you who is not following the standard. 00:17:56 <Bjarni> Gonozal_VIIIã®ã°ã 00:18:35 <glx> âââ 00:18:35 <glx> âââ 00:19:00 <Bjarni> this reminds me of C64 00:19:14 <Bjarni> you could make such chars on that one as well 00:19:15 <glx> I used this a lot on ZX81 00:19:28 <glx> there were keys for that 00:19:28 <Bjarni> never used ZX81 00:19:38 <Bjarni> but I used it on my C64 00:19:44 <Bjarni> it had keys for it 00:20:07 <Bjarni> well.. it was the normal char keys, but if I held down a function key then it drew chars like that 00:20:15 <glx> it was doable on CPC6128 but not as easy 00:20:18 <Sacro> ln-: wtf 00:20:32 <Bjarni> each key had a letter in upper and lower case and then two special chars 00:20:35 <ln-> Sacro: elaborate 00:20:40 <Sacro> how do you find a perpendicular vector 00:20:44 <Bjarni> a bit messy on the print since each key had 3 icons 00:20:48 <Sacro> i have 4,2 00:21:25 <ln-> the dot product 00:22:09 <Gonozal_VIII> hmmm in my software engineering lecture yesterday the professor said he thinks eiffel is the best oo language available... that true? 00:22:35 <ln-> Gonozal_VIII: do you think he would have lied to you about what he thinks? 00:22:39 <glx> eiffel is a lisp language 00:22:40 <Sacro> ln-: oh? 00:22:44 <glx> IIRC 00:23:27 <glx> smalltalk is the most OO :) 00:23:34 <glx> everything is object 00:24:07 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:24:12 <Gonozal_VIII> yes we also talked about that but it wasn't about most oo 00:27:35 <Gonozal_VIII> i found the pdf :-) 00:30:42 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.broadband.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 00:31:15 <Gonozal_VIII> http://gonozalviii.go.funpic.de/oo.PNG 00:32:27 <Gonozal_VIII> he also added c# during the lecture... 00:35:08 <Gonozal_VIII> eiffel really that good? 00:35:23 <Gonozal_VIII> then why is it not used more? 00:36:04 <Bjarni> I wonder about obj C 00:36:26 <Gonozal_VIII> he said that obj c is used again 00:36:32 <Bjarni> if it's that old and not used in newer stuff then why did Apple code OSX in it? 00:36:49 <glx> and why OTTD use it too ;) 00:36:54 <Bjarni> we have obj C in OpenTTD 00:37:07 <Gonozal_VIII> i thought that's c++ 00:37:09 <Bjarni> as a gateway to the system stuff 00:37:24 <Bjarni> the game itself is written in C++ 00:37:25 <glx> Gonozal_VIII: check .mm files 00:37:38 <Bjarni> the .mm files are obj C 00:37:46 <glx> there were .m files in C times 00:37:53 <Eddi|zuHause2> obj C++ i thought 00:38:01 <Bjarni> technically it's obj C++ because they are prepared to be linked to cpp files instead of c files 00:38:16 <Bjarni> but none of the content really changed 00:38:25 <Gonozal_VIII> obj c++ :S c++ is oo without obj in front... 00:38:27 <glx> Eddi|zuHause2: I'm currently watching the SP episode with the gnomes :) 00:38:36 <Bjarni> I think we can revert them back to .m and if the headers were correct then they would still work 00:38:56 <ln-> Gonozal_VIII: obj-C++ is not the same as C+++ 00:38:58 <ln-> -+ 00:39:03 <Eddi|zuHause2> that's one of the few i actually watched... 00:39:19 <Bjarni> <Gonozal_VIII> obj c++ :S c++ is oo without obj in front... <-- obj C and C++ use different types of objects. obj C++ can handle both 00:39:32 <Gonozal_VIII> you can watch them all at southparkzone :-) 00:39:41 <Bjarni> and it's used as a bridge between our C++ code and Apple's frameworks in obj C 00:40:12 <Bjarni> anyway 00:40:14 <Bjarni> time for bed 00:40:19 <Bjarni> goodnight 00:40:23 <Gonozal_VIII> bed is a good idea... 00:40:27 <Gonozal_VIII> good night 00:40:28 <Bjarni> hey 00:40:37 <Bjarni> you guys aren't allowed to go to MY bed 00:40:46 <Bjarni> so don't steal my idea >_< 00:40:47 <ln-> sacro is already there 00:40:51 <glx> lol 00:40:51 <Bjarni> ... 00:40:58 <Gonozal_VIII> im in ur bed stealin ur sleep 00:40:59 * Sacro warms it up 00:41:49 * Bjarni burns his bed 00:41:58 <Bjarni> it was infested :( 00:42:51 <Bjarni> <Gonozal_VIII> im in ur bed stealin ur sleep <-- I wouldn't mind not having to sleep right now 00:43:12 <Bjarni> but that's my wishful thinking 00:43:16 <Bjarni> my brain wants to sleep 00:43:22 <Bjarni> so I'm out of here 00:43:39 * Bjarni picks up a gun in case the Sacro story turns out to be true 00:43:44 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a46c06.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:43:47 * Sacro sighs 00:44:13 <Sacro> @calc 16+9 00:44:16 <DorpsGek> Sacro: 25 00:44:18 <Sacro> ah yes 00:44:39 *** AntB [~AntB-UK@host81-141-195-72.wlms-broadband.com] has joined #openttd 00:45:03 <Gonozal_VIII> why did you calculate 16+9? 00:45:26 <Sacro> Gonozal_VIII: well 00:45:29 <Sacro> i have a triangle 00:45:38 <Sacro> sides 4 and 2 00:45:40 <Sacro> and i needed the other 00:45:43 <Sacro> that's not right 00:45:53 <glx> is it rectangle? 00:45:58 <Sacro> cock >< 00:46:05 <Sacro> i wanted 16+4 :( 00:46:25 <glx> sqrt(20) 00:46:26 <Gonozal_VIII> could be anything if it's not a special triangle 00:46:33 <Sacro> @calc sqrt(20) 00:46:34 <DorpsGek> Sacro: 4.472135955 00:46:56 <glx> = 2 * sqrt(5) 00:47:37 <glx> @calc 2 * sqrt(5) 00:47:37 <DorpsGek> glx: 4.472135955 00:47:47 <glx> yeah my math still work :) 00:48:01 *** G [~njones@202-154-150-91.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 00:49:12 <Sacro> 2 root 5? 00:49:13 <Sacro> :\ 00:49:28 <Gonozal_VIII> partial root 00:50:11 <Gonozal_VIII> 20 = 4*5 so sqrt(20) is sqrt(4) * sqrt(5) :-) 00:50:18 <Sacro> oh yes 00:50:24 <Sacro> my surd knowledge just went out the window 00:50:24 <glx> anyway a²+b²=c² is valid for rectangle one only 00:50:44 <Gonozal_VIII> [01:46:25] Gonozal_VIII: could be anything if it's not a special triangle 00:51:17 <Eddi|zuHause2> you need 3 values to describe a triangle 00:51:19 <glx> for others you should use sin, cos or tan 00:51:22 *** G [~njones@202-154-150-91.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #openttd 00:51:47 <ThePizzaKing> But those are whacked out formulas that I never remember 00:51:56 <ThePizzaKing> I just make them up and hope they work 00:52:12 <Sacro> i need moar help :( 00:52:18 <Sacro> i have p^ 00:52:22 <Sacro> and a point 00:52:36 <Eddi|zuHause2> they are easy to remember 00:52:39 <ThePizzaKing> Something like, sin(a)/A = sin(b)/B = sin(c)/C 00:53:05 <glx> phase 1: collect underpants 00:53:05 <glx> phase 2: ? 00:53:05 <glx> phase 3: profits 01:13:41 *** mikl_ [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.broadband.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Connection reset by Peer Gynt] 01:14:45 <Sacro> -2 over sqrt{20} times 2 01:14:54 <Sacro> would that equal -4 over sqrt{20}? 01:15:29 <Gonozal_VIII> naaah 01:15:43 *** MindlessTux [~mindlesst@75.110.56.184] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:16:32 <Sacro> hmm, so 8 over sqrt{20} 01:16:51 <Sacro> thats 8 over 5sqrt{2}? 01:17:07 <Sacro> no 8 over 2sqrt{5} 01:17:23 <Gonozal_VIII> mhm 01:18:02 <Sacro> hmm 01:18:06 <Sacro> 8 over 2root5 01:18:14 <Sacro> would that be 4 over root5? 01:18:14 <ThePizzaKing> yes 01:18:25 <ThePizzaKing> yes 01:18:28 <ThePizzaKing> that's right 01:19:00 <Gonozal_VIII> ... 01:19:02 *** MindlessTux [~mindlesst@r75-110-56-184.gvllcmtc01.gnvlnc.ab.dh.suddenlink.net] has joined #openttd 01:19:20 <Sacro> holy crap thats complex 01:19:38 *** MindlessTux [~mindlesst@r75-110-56-184.gvllcmtc01.gnvlnc.ab.dh.suddenlink.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:19:47 <Gonozal_VIII> try it with @calc... 01:20:10 <Sacro> yeah... cos that'll work :p 01:20:26 <Sacro> wtf is a parametric equation >< 01:20:46 <ThePizzaKing> I knew what that was 4 months ago 01:20:51 <ThePizzaKing> Not now 01:20:55 <ThePizzaKing> Wikipedia! 01:21:52 <ThePizzaKing> ah, an equation which has a parameter in, of course 01:22:09 <Gonozal_VIII> ^^ 01:23:29 <Sacro> grr 01:23:38 <Sacro> damn tutor shoves all his powerpoint stuff into a PDF 01:23:43 <Sacro> which totally screws up the animations 01:24:42 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-137-219.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:25:57 <oh> does vehicle replacement cause desync in 0.6b or is it just me? 01:26:38 <Sacro> can't just be you 01:26:42 <Sacro> it takes 2 to desync 01:26:44 <Gonozal_VIII> only sometimes with the manual replace in the depot 01:26:55 *** Diabolic1Angel [~dia@xdsl-81-173-254-149.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 01:27:15 <oh> been one long desync fest on all servers I've been to lately 01:27:36 <Gonozal_VIII> maybe your pc is too slow to keep up 01:27:39 <oh> nigh on every time I use autoreplace I get booted :< 01:27:45 <oh> and no ;P 01:28:09 <Sacro> should you use ( ) or [ ] for vectors? 01:28:13 <Sacro> +column 01:29:30 <Sacro> oh hell 01:29:35 <Sacro> WE'VE GONE TO 3 DIMENSIONS D: 01:30:07 <ThePizzaKing> That's always fun 01:30:10 <Gonozal_VIII> myths! that many dimensions can't possibly exist! 01:30:28 <ThePizzaKing> My lecurer sometimes uses () and other times uses [] 01:31:00 <Sacro> Gonozal_VIII: i agree... 01:31:11 <Sacro> and the 2 ronnies is making me laugh too much 01:31:25 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B77CE4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:37:55 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B77CF8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:38:09 * Sacro cries 01:39:03 <Sacro> cross product of 3 dimensional vectors :( 01:42:40 <ThePizzaKing> Isn't that the determinant of the matrix with the vectors (x,y,z) and the two being crossed as the rows 01:43:58 <Sacro> yeah 01:45:30 *** Gonozal_VIII [user@cm56-182-132.liwest.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:51:30 *** eJoJ [~ejoj@89.10.29.181] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:14:49 *** oh [~oh@c96F5BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no] has quit [Quit: oh] 02:15:05 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 02:15:23 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:15:29 <Sacro> ThePizzaKing: any idea on how to mulitply matrixes? 02:15:44 <ln-> how about matrices 02:16:22 <Sacro> :p 02:16:26 <Sacro> same difference 02:17:22 <ln-> just take the first from both, multiply them, add, take second ones, multiply, add, write result, and so on. 02:18:11 <Sacro> isn't that the dot product? 02:19:14 <ThePizzaKing> you go accross on the first one and down on the second 02:19:28 <ThePizzaKing> it's sort of hard to explain 02:20:09 <ThePizzaKing> like the dot product of the top row in the first one and the first column in the second to get the first number 02:20:39 <Sacro> :\ 02:23:25 <Sacro> i don't get this 02:23:31 <Sacro> i've found a website that will tell me the answer 02:23:35 <Sacro> but now how to calculate it 02:24:09 <ThePizzaKing> Like [a b]\n[c d] multiplied by [e f]\n[g h] is [(a*e + b*g) (a*f + b*h)]\n[(c*e + d*g) (c*f + d*h)] 02:25:03 <Sacro> :\ 02:25:36 <ThePizzaKing> I don't know how well wikipedia explains it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiplying_matrices 02:26:38 <Sacro> nope, that's way over my head 02:26:41 <Sacro> at 2:30 am 02:27:08 <Sacro> oooooooooh 02:27:13 <Sacro> you put one above and one to the side 02:27:16 <Sacro> and then filter inwards 02:28:48 * AntB was lost at matrices 02:32:18 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: belugas * r11578 /trunk/src/ (8 files in 2 dirs): 02:32:18 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Codechange: Introduce the window default flag WDF_TEXTENTRY which specifies that the window holding it is actually one that enables an edit box. 02:32:18 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: Use this flag when dispatching a key event instead of using some hard coded window IDs. 02:32:18 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: This should ease a little bit the creation of new edit aware windows. 02:39:48 <ThePizzaKing> Sacro: Here's the page I had on it for University: http://img464.imageshack.us/my.php?image=outmo7.jpg 02:40:27 <Sacro> ThePizzaKing: yeah, that's similar to what we where shown 02:40:31 <Sacro> but i prefer the wikipedia way 02:40:33 <Sacro> and drawing it all out 02:40:56 <Sacro> right, how to solve linear equations using matrix methods 02:41:21 <ThePizzaKing> that's fun 02:41:29 <Sacro> any clues? 02:41:34 <Sacro> i'm sure he hasn't taught this one 02:42:18 <ThePizzaKing> you put the equations as rows in the matrix 02:42:37 <ThePizzaKing> so 2x + 3y - 7z = 2 becomes [2 3 7 2] 02:42:46 <ln-> just write down the coefficients in the matrix, do some operations, profit. 02:43:03 <ThePizzaKing> that's pretty much it 02:43:15 <Sacro> operations? 02:43:27 <ThePizzaKing> Like add one row to another 02:43:41 <ln-> or add one row to another and multiply 02:44:29 <Sacro> :\ 02:44:45 <Sacro> so i have 2 , 1, 2 \n 4, 5, 5 02:44:50 <ThePizzaKing> And you want all leading numbers to have zeros below them at the ned 02:45:04 <ThePizzaKing> so you take 2* row 1 from row 2 02:45:22 <ThePizzaKing> 2, 1, 2 \n 0, 3, 1 02:45:52 <Sacro> :\ 02:45:54 <Sacro> how'd you get that? 02:46:17 <ThePizzaKing> you multiply the first row by 2, and then subtract it from the second row 02:46:43 <Sacro> that's just a normal simultaneous equation 02:46:47 <Sacro> nothing special 02:47:15 <ThePizzaKing> yeah, that's pretty much all it is 02:49:01 <Sacro> so i have 4 2 4 02:49:04 <Sacro> then err 02:49:19 <Sacro> 4 5 5 minus 4 2 4 gives 0 3 1? 02:49:32 <ThePizzaKing> yeah 02:50:34 <Sacro> so that means that y = 3? 02:50:38 <Sacro> or 1/3 02:50:41 <ThePizzaKing> 1/3 02:50:42 <Sacro> 3y =1 02:51:10 <ThePizzaKing> and then you sub that into the first row 02:51:23 <ThePizzaKing> 2x + y = 2 02:52:55 <Sacro> yeah 02:53:03 <Sacro> do i shove in the 0 3 1? 02:53:28 <Sacro> 4 2 4 * 3 = 12 6 12 02:53:37 <Sacro> 0 3 1 * 4 = 0 12 4 02:53:43 <Sacro> hmm, that's not right 02:53:58 <Sacro> 0 3 1 * 2 = 0 6 2 02:54:01 <ThePizzaKing> no, just put in the y = 1/3 into the 2x + y = 2 02:54:03 <Sacro> then 12 0 10 ? 02:54:19 <Sacro> but that's not a matrix method is it? 02:54:26 *** SpBot [terom@marttila.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:54:34 <Sacro> oops, think the bot is confused 02:55:25 <ThePizzaKing> I think you only use matrices until you get to the first number, or there abouts 02:55:37 <ThePizzaKing> but you can go back up if you want 02:56:44 <ThePizzaKing> so the 12 6 12 - 0 6 2 thing would work then 02:56:44 *** helb [~helb@62.240.176.23] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:57:13 *** helb [~helb@62.240.176.23] has joined #openttd 02:57:14 <ThePizzaKing> anyway, I've got to go now 02:57:17 <ThePizzaKing> good luck Sacro 02:57:21 <Sacro> thanks ThePizzaKing :) 02:57:31 <Sacro> won't you stay another couple of mins and check my answers? 03:01:14 <Sacro> ThePizzaKing: you still there? 03:12:16 *** BigBB [~BigBB@p5B043292.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: BigBB] 03:12:37 *** BigBB [~BigBB@p5B043292.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 03:13:16 <ln-> isn't it quite trivial to check whether you got the correct answers for the equations? 03:13:26 <Sacro> ln-: like how? 03:13:30 <Sacro> no, i meant on the whole lot 03:14:48 <Sacro> http://www.benwoodward.me.uk/Q.pdf for the questions 03:14:55 <Sacro> http://www.benwoodward.me.uk/maths2.pdf for my answers 03:16:28 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 03:20:52 <ln-> isn't it quite confusing to use à as the multiplication sign here... 03:21:01 <Sacro> it looks different 03:21:11 <Sacro> unless i've put x instead of times 03:21:12 <ln-> when you're operating with vectors, and you don't mean the cross product. 03:21:14 <Sacro> which does happen 03:21:25 <Sacro> where abouts? 03:21:30 <Sacro> cos afaik i do mean the cross product 03:22:22 <ln-> in the answer for Q1 (1) 3a you don't mean the cross product as far as i understand. 03:22:40 <Sacro> yes, true 03:22:47 <Sacro> but i think that is the only one 03:23:47 <ln-> also the next one, a·b 03:23:53 <ThePizzaKing> back 03:23:58 <Sacro> yeah? 03:27:13 <Sacro> any more comments? 03:29:24 <ln-> wtf is a cross-product of two matrices? 03:29:42 <Sacro> question 4? 03:30:01 <ln-> yeah. 03:30:15 <Sacro> i dunno :\ 03:30:18 <Sacro> but that one is right 03:30:55 <ln-> i would have got -6 and 16 on the bottom row 03:33:07 *** Zavior [~zavior@d195-237-7-209.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:33:14 <ln-> again, in (2) of 4, you certainly are not using the cross-product but ordinary multiplication (as is correct here). 03:33:26 <Sacro> yeah 03:35:03 <ln-> but this (1) of 4, are you saying it is not supposed to be about normal matrix multiplication? 03:35:17 <Sacro> err... 03:35:23 <Sacro> that is right 03:35:24 <Sacro> i think 03:37:21 <ln-> what does the resulting matrix represent? 03:37:31 *** BigBB_ [~BigBB@p5B043292.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 03:37:55 <Sacro> no idea :\ 03:38:27 *** BigBB [~BigBB@p5B043292.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:40:14 <Sacro> ln-: what do you reckon? 03:40:45 <ln-> at least i have never heard of a cross product of matrices. 03:41:18 <ln-> while the cross product for vectors represents the vector that is perpendicular to both the parameter vectors. 03:41:57 <ln-> and that exercise so much looks like a normal matrix multiplication exercise. 03:42:03 <Sacro> it's just a "suppose" 03:42:06 <Sacro> so ... 03:42:08 <Sacro> i did it wrong? 03:42:20 <Sacro> no, that is matrix multiplicaion 03:43:46 <ln-> in my opinion the answer would be (19 -24)\n(-6 16) 03:44:14 <ln-> and it could be counted with zero intermediate steps on paper.. 03:44:48 <ln-> but then, i'm not the math genius here. 03:44:57 <Sacro> yeah 03:44:58 <Sacro> o 03:45:00 <Sacro> you're right 03:45:12 <Sacro> h,, 03:45:13 <Sacro> hmm 03:45:16 <Sacro> -6, -16? 03:46:01 <ln-> yes, true, -16. 03:46:24 <Sacro> http://wims.unice.fr/wims/wims.cgi?session=SJ2A2E938C.1&lang=en&cmd=reply&module=tool%2Flinear%2Fmatmult.en&matA=1%2C-2%0D%0A3%2C1&matB=1%2C-8%0D%0A-9%2C8&show=A*B 03:46:28 <Sacro> seems to confirm it 03:47:01 *** fjb [~frank@p5485D7E1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 3.2.0 'Realia'] 03:47:57 <AntB> ah crap, forgot my company password on a server :( 03:48:10 *** BigBB [~BigBB@p5B043292.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 03:48:49 *** BigBB_ [~BigBB@p5B043292.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: BigBB_] 03:49:22 <Sacro> ln-: any other complains? 03:50:31 <ln-> your syntax in (2) of 4 is really odd, but if you were taught that way, then... 03:51:01 <Sacro> taught...? 03:51:05 <Sacro> no i'm just winging it 03:52:01 <ln-> you don't really have any matrices in that, and you are supposed to be operating with matrices all the time. 03:52:17 <Sacro> mmm 03:53:07 <ThePizzaKing> If I could work out matrices in OpenOffice.org Math I'd show you how I'd set it out 03:53:39 <ln-> imho, you should be beginning with the matrix: (2 1 2)\n(4 5 5) 03:54:22 <Sacro> ThePizzaKing: left [ matrix{1 # -2 ## 3 # ~1} right ] 03:54:23 <ln-> then marking which line you add to which, with what factor, and then write the matrix again with the appropriate line changed. 03:54:38 <Sacro> ln-: yeah, i'll do that in the morrow 03:54:41 <Sacro> before i print it and hand it in 03:54:43 <ThePizzaKing> cool 03:55:15 <ln-> i think i'll go integrate my bed over [t0, t0+10h) 03:56:58 <Sacro> but do all my answers look good? 04:05:35 <ThePizzaKing> I would have set it out like this: http://members.optusnet.com.au/~the_pizza_king/eq.pdf 04:06:00 <ThePizzaKing> Maybe with a few more notes on the side as to what I was doing 04:06:41 <ThePizzaKing> I might not have done the last matrix step either, and just subed in the value for y 04:13:03 *** BigBB [~BigBB@p5B043292.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: BigBB] 04:13:36 <Sacro> yeah 04:13:42 <Sacro> i'll maybe modify it in the morning 04:13:47 <Sacro> but tis like 4:15 am now :( 04:13:51 <Sacro> and some twat is beeping his horn 04:15:34 *** geoff_k [~geoff_k__@host86-147-159-39.range86-147.btcentralplus.com] has left #openttd [Leaving] 04:33:03 *** eJoJ [~ejoj@89.10.29.29] has joined #openttd 04:37:11 *** eJoJ [~ejoj@89.10.29.29] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:42:29 *** Osai is now known as Guest403 04:42:29 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB4EAA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 04:49:03 *** Guest403 [~Osai@pD9EB5417.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:49:25 *** eJoJ [~ejoj@89.10.29.29] has joined #openttd 04:51:53 *** eJoJ [~ejoj@89.10.29.29] has quit [] 05:00:33 *** Netsplit resistance.oftc.net <-> oxygen.oftc.net quits: jthill, Tefad 05:01:42 *** Netsplit over, joins: Tefad, jthill 05:59:18 *** G [~njones@202-154-150-91.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 06:01:18 *** G [~njones@202-154-150-91.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #openttd 06:18:47 *** NarkSlap [~me@1-1-1-19b.o.sth.bostream.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:20:37 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB4EAA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai] 06:48:59 *** Farden [~jk3farden@AMontsouris-156-1-70-43.w90-24.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 06:53:45 *** LordAzamath [~LordAzama@ip101.cab22.ltln.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 06:56:07 *** raimar3 [~hawk@p5489C134.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:02:38 *** raimar2 [~hawk@p5489C69A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:05:27 *** G [~njones@202-154-150-91.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:07:50 *** G [~njones@202-154-150-91.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #openttd 07:15:05 *** G [~njones@202-154-150-91.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Quit: leaving] 07:15:21 *** G [~njones@202-154-150-91.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #openttd 07:17:13 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-108-75.fttx.bbned.nl] has joined #openttd 07:17:41 *** divo [~divo.afx@0x4dd443c6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 07:20:34 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F55970.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 07:25:50 *** NarkSlap [~me@h240n1fls304o1036.telia.com] has joined #openttd 07:29:49 *** sport606 [~sport606@64.114.140.146] has joined #openttd 07:32:31 <sport606> does anyone know how to get vehicles to carry gravel or clay? 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10:30:07 *** Zavior [~zavior@d195-237-7-209.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 10:33:20 <SpComb> yawningishly 10:34:19 <Gonozal_VIII> sqlishly 10:34:38 *** shodan [user@xerxes.foocode.net] has joined #openttd 10:45:13 *** divo [~divo.afx@0x4dd443c6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:46:00 *** divo [~divo.afx@87.52.36.224] has joined #openttd 10:47:03 *** Deathmaker [~Miranda@dslb-082-083-227-069.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 11:04:20 <TheJosh> hey is there a good graphical GRF editor, or is it all hex and hacking 11:04:39 *** Vikthor [novotv6@pc404-68.feld.cvut.cz] has joined #openttd 11:05:24 <TheJosh> better question, if I made such an editor, would it be a good idea or a bad idea? 11:05:37 <Gonozal_VIII> i'm hacking around with notepad and gimp 11:06:29 <Gonozal_VIII> good idea :-) but i dunno if there already is something 11:06:39 <TheJosh> so a graphical editor that u selected gimpped files with, and could set all the params and stuff with easy would be appreciated? 11:07:36 <Gonozal_VIII> syntax detection for the actions :D 11:07:52 <TheJosh> is the GRF format complicated? 11:08:01 <Gonozal_VIII> very 11:08:11 <TheJosh> do you have a tool that puts it all together or do you hack together the .grf files yourself? 11:08:49 <Gonozal_VIII> i just started some days ago to work with grf stuff so i don't know how it's done best 11:09:22 <Gonozal_VIII> http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=GRFActionsDetailed but there are lots and lots of actions... 11:09:54 <TheJosh> gut lots of actions can easily be handled by a generic interface 11:10:04 <TheJosh> especially if coded right 11:10:22 <Gonozal_VIII> do you have a tool that puts it all together or do you hack together the .grf files yourself? <-- you mean the encoding? 11:11:19 <Gonozal_VIII> i have a .bat file with the lines in it, i only edit the grf name there and don't have to type :-) 11:12:49 <Gonozal_VIII> cd C:\grfcodec 11:12:49 <Gonozal_VIII> grfcodec -e blah.grf 11:12:49 <Gonozal_VIII> pause 11:12:51 <Gonozal_VIII> like that 11:14:07 <TheJosh> whats grfcodec? 11:14:59 <Gonozal_VIII> the thing that makes the grfs... 11:15:34 <TheJosh> from files you make in notepad 11:15:51 <TheJosh> and the gimp 11:15:53 <Gonozal_VIII> yes 11:16:17 <TheJosh> so what about a tool that combines grfcodec (or in the background uses grfcodec) and the notepad step? 11:17:43 *** divo [~divo.afx@87.52.36.224] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:18:24 *** divo [~divo.afx@0x4dd443c6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 11:18:24 <Gonozal_VIII> i think there is something but i don't know how it's called and it required the ttdpatch exe or something like that 11:18:41 <Gonozal_VIII> <-- not the best guy to ask^^ 11:29:27 <TheJosh> thanks anywya 11:36:44 <divo> !topic 11:39:26 *** ludde_ [~ludde@ua-83-227-238-252.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:44:38 <Gonozal_VIII> what's .uif? 11:46:44 *** Vikthor [novotv6@pc404-68.feld.cvut.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:48:04 <Gonozal_VIII> googled it.. 11:51:48 *** TheJosh [~josh@d58-105-15-219.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au] has left #openttd [] 11:54:46 *** Vikthor [novotv6@pc404-49.feld.cvut.cz] has joined #openttd 12:12:08 *** xintron [xintron@blinkenshell.org] has joined #openttd 12:13:23 <xintron> Can anyone send me the ttd game? 12:13:46 <Gonozal_VIII> ebay 12:14:28 <xintron> lol 12:21:32 *** Vikthor [novotv6@pc404-49.feld.cvut.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:21:32 *** divo [~divo.afx@0x4dd443c6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:22:18 *** divo [~divo.afx@0x4dd443c6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 12:23:30 <valhallasw> xintron: transport tycoon deluxe is copyrighted software 12:23:43 <xintron> yeah, so I know 12:23:51 <SpComb> download.owenrudge.net 12:23:56 <xintron> But that doesn't mean that I can't reach it on the net :) 12:24:02 <SpComb> hmm, almost 12:24:09 <valhallasw> correct 12:24:20 <valhallasw> the question is whether this is the right place to ask ;) 12:24:34 <SpComb> which is why I'll skip linking to the correct domain 12:24:36 <xintron> Shouldn't it be the right place? :) 12:24:37 <valhallasw> tt-forums.net contains a post with links... somewhere 12:24:53 <xintron> But I got a link already so no need for it anymore :) 12:25:04 <xintron> Just didn't want to find a torrent for it 12:25:13 *** divo [~divo.afx@0x4dd443c6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:25:23 <xintron> Since I don't have a torrent program in school :P 12:25:41 *** helb [~helb@62.240.176.23] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 12:25:57 *** helb [~helb@62.240.176.23] has joined #openttd 12:29:10 <xintron> Is here anyone who know who translated the game into Esperanto? 12:32:39 *** divo [~divo.afx@0x4dd443c6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 12:37:12 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has joined #openttd 12:37:32 *** lugo [~lugo@p4FD5FBAE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:37:37 *** divo [~divo.afx@0x4dd443c6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:37:41 *** divo [~divo.afx@0x4dd443c6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 12:41:46 *** divo [~divo.afx@0x4dd443c6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:42:27 *** divo [~divo.afx@0x4dd443c6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 12:51:57 *** Deathmaker [~Miranda@dslb-082-083-227-069.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:07:15 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A65C2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:07:23 <skidd13> Hi 13:24:09 *** G_ [~njones@202-154-150-91.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #openttd 13:25:22 <Rubidium> xintron: yes, there is someone who know who did the Esperanto translation 13:25:52 *** G [~njones@202-154-150-91.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:25:57 *** DorpsGek is now known as Guest436 13:26:02 *** DorpsGek [truelight@81.171.98.110] has joined #openttd 13:26:03 *** mode/#openttd [+o DorpsGek] by ChanServ 13:26:03 *** Guest436 [truelight@81.171.98.110] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:29:25 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 13:29:26 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:34:00 <svippery> Hm... 13:34:02 <svippery> This is odd. 13:34:16 <svippery> I get newest revision from SVN, and yet somehow NewGRF does not seem to work. 13:34:29 <svippery> Did something change while I was gone for the past few months? 13:34:44 <glx> how did you add them? 13:34:50 <svippery> In the bin/data/ directory. 13:35:01 <svippery> But when I launch openttd, it cannot find them. 13:35:01 <Gonozal_VIII> month? tons of changes since then 13:35:09 <svippery> Yes yes, I know, Gonozal_VIII. 13:35:17 <svippery> But on user-end side. 13:35:34 <svippery> And also, is it not spelt "tonnes"? 13:35:49 <Gonozal_VIII> i don't know, i can't speak english 13:35:52 <Gonozal_VIII> :-) 13:35:55 <svippery> :P 13:36:31 <Gonozal_VIII> clicked on rescan files if you put them there after launching the game? 13:37:08 <svippery> Yep. 13:37:13 <svippery> Nothing happens. 13:37:37 <Gonozal_VIII> waitaminute... bin/data? 13:37:44 <Gonozal_VIII> gamedir/data :-) 13:37:56 <svippery> Which is bin/data/ 13:38:12 <glx> OS? 13:38:16 <svippery> Linux. 13:38:30 <glx> just put them in ~/.openttd/data 13:38:39 <skidd13> svippery: Which GRF ID? 13:38:57 <svippery> Maybe the files I have are old. 13:39:00 <svippery> :( 13:39:16 <Gonozal_VIII> you should see them anyways 13:39:55 *** DorpsGek is now known as Guest438 13:40:00 *** DorpsGek [truelight@81.171.98.110] has joined #openttd 13:40:03 *** mode/#openttd [+o DorpsGek] by ChanServ 13:40:37 <Gonozal_VIII> the data dir is in the same dir as the exe and the grfs are in there and you clicked newgrf settings from the game start screen and there add? 13:40:57 *** Guest438 [truelight@81.171.98.110] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:41:00 <svippery> And they do not appear. 13:41:05 <svippery> Even after I did what glx suggested. 13:41:18 <Gonozal_VIII> that's odd 13:41:40 <glx> then you have a rights problem 13:41:55 <glx> try openttd -d misc4 13:42:04 <glx> to see search path 13:42:32 <Gonozal_VIII> exe.. linux... blah 13:42:46 <svippery> Hm, could I grep for it, glx? 13:43:08 <glx> grep what? 13:43:22 <svippery> The search path. 13:43:30 <svippery> Cause it does spit out a lot of information. 13:45:02 *** Vikthor [novotv6@pc404-49.feld.cvut.cz] has joined #openttd 13:47:56 <glx> openttd.exe -d misc4 2>&1 | grep " as " 13:48:12 <glx> I'm on windows ;) 13:56:16 *** divo [~divo.afx@0x4dd443c6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:57:03 *** divo [~divo.afx@87.52.36.224] has joined #openttd 14:13:15 *** Tino|R152 [~Tino@52N.UNI-MUENSTER.DE] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 14:24:27 <svippery> Hm glx. 14:24:40 <svippery> dbg: [misc] /home/svip/.openttd/ added as search path 14:26:06 <glx> so it should find grfs in ~/.openttd/data 14:26:49 <svippery> But it doesn't... :( 14:27:05 <glx> what's the output of openttd -dgrf1 ? 14:27:43 <svippery> dbg: [grf] Scanning for NewGRFs 14:27:43 <svippery> dbg: [grf] Scan complete, found 0 files 14:28:03 <glx> and ls ~/.openttd/data ? 14:28:41 <svippery> $ ls ~/.openttd/data/ 14:28:41 <svippery> airports.grf canalsw.grf roadstops.grf autorail.grf elrailsw.grf tramtrkw.grf 14:29:22 <glx> those are not newgrfs, and are not used anymore 14:29:53 <svippery> Oh. :( 14:30:03 <svippery> So they were too old! 14:30:32 <glx> they are now in openttd?.grf 14:30:39 <svippery> ? 14:30:41 <LeviathNL> they're no newgrfs at all 14:30:54 <glx> and if openttd can start then it can load newgrfs 14:30:54 <svippery> I just wanted to try newindustries and newcargo. ;-; 14:31:23 <glx> because openttd?.grf are newgrf 14:31:55 <glx> you should have openttdd.grf and openttdw.grf in bin/data 14:32:04 <svippery> That I do. 14:33:08 <glx> so you just need to put the newgrfs you want in a data dir in searchpath 14:33:25 <svippery> Well... 14:33:31 <svippery> :O Can you suggest some newgrfs? 14:33:32 *** svippery is now known as svip 14:34:06 <glx> I can suggest you to put trg*.grf and sample.cat in a tar file in ~/.openttd/data 14:34:27 <svip> :o Can it read them when they are in a tarball? 14:34:29 <glx> that way you can have as many openttd version as you want without needing to copy them 14:34:48 <glx> yes it can :) 14:34:55 <svip> :O! Awesomeness. 14:35:03 <svip> But can it be compressed? 14:35:07 <glx> no 14:35:11 <svip> Aha. 14:35:34 <glx> but 1 tar is still 5 less files :) 14:36:07 <svip> omg it worked. 14:40:52 <svip> :O Are there any NewGRF packages that I can try newindustries/newcargo with, glx? 14:41:30 <glx> all ECS vectors, or PBI 14:46:51 *** Frostregen_ [~sucks@dslb-084-058-122-036.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 14:52:50 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-111-160.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:53:01 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 14:55:08 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A65C2.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people. - Eleanor Roosevelt] 14:58:28 *** Vikthor [novotv6@pc404-49.feld.cvut.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:58:47 *** divo [~divo.afx@87.52.36.224] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:58:54 *** divo [~divo.afx@0x4dd443c6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 14:58:56 *** Deathmaker [~Miranda@dslb-082-083-242-142.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 15:06:39 <svip> Hm! 15:06:53 <svip> Does not seem so well when I get (undefined string) a lot of places does it, glx? 15:07:17 <Gonozal_VIII> order them by grfid 15:07:31 <glx> then the grf order is wrong or you mixed incompatible grfs 15:08:19 <svip> Hm! 15:09:37 <svip> Let me try Gonozal_VIII's solution... 15:10:09 <Belugas> and check on the forums, there is a section devoted for just that 15:10:50 *** G [~njones@202-154-150-91.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #openttd 15:10:51 <Gonozal_VIII> [16:07:16] Gonozal_VIII: order them by grfid <-- for george's vectors 15:11:41 <Gonozal_VIII> wow 2 new updates again 15:12:40 *** G_ [~njones@202-154-150-91.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:14:11 <svip> What section specifically, Belugas? 15:15:29 <Gonozal_VIII> graphics section in the openttd and ttdpatch part of the forum both have lots of newgrf and info about newgrf 15:17:08 <Gonozal_VIII> http://grfcrawler.tt-forums.net/ <-- and that's very usefull 15:17:21 <svip> Just that... :| 15:17:35 <Gonozal_VIII> hmm? 15:17:42 <svip> I had ECS working, but I realised I had no vehicles to transport the cargo. 15:17:51 <svip> Well... the newcargo. 15:19:29 <Gonozal_VIII> you'll have to get some vehicle sets then :-) 15:19:45 <svip> :P 15:20:47 <Gonozal_VIII> i can't even recommend one because there are so many great sets 15:21:46 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1E288.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:22:29 <Gonozal_VIII> i hope the patch to load multiple vehicle sets makes it into trunk soon :-) 15:26:45 *** NarkSlap [~me@h240n1fls304o1036.telia.com] has quit [Quit: Screw you guy, I'm going home and smoke pot] 15:42:13 <Sacro> Gonozal_VIII: which patch? 15:43:25 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 15:43:50 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@ti0140a340-0342.bb.online.no] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:45:17 <Belugas> the marvel of the marvel, the patch that is the most usefull feature evevr to be written by anyone since CS wrote ttd 15:45:21 <Belugas> :P 15:45:38 <Belugas> the one taht allows to break vehicle limits 15:47:01 <Sacro> :o 15:47:03 <Sacro> COMMIT IT 15:47:14 <Belugas> svip, search the forums. this question has been asked and answered sso many times 15:48:22 <Belugas> Sacro: no. i'm not even sure it addresses the probem the right way, since i've not yet looked at it 15:48:27 <Belugas> i know it exists, that's it 15:48:35 <Belugas> plus, you did not sais please 15:48:46 <Belugas> therefor, i put it in the garbage! 15:48:50 <Sacro> pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease commit it oh mr Belugas 15:48:54 <Sacro> damn :( 15:50:16 * Rubidium commits it 15:50:36 <Rubidium> to the list of patches not to commit because Sacro asked for it 15:50:54 <Sacro> Rubidium: damn :( 15:52:10 <Rubidium> anyhow, it won't be in 0.6. That's something I'm fairly sure about 15:52:55 <Eddi|zuHause3> <ln-> while the cross product for vectors represents the vector that is perpendicular to both the parameter vectors. <- actually, the cross product represents a vector that is perpendicular to all n-1 vectors (in n-dimensional vector space) 15:53:01 *** llugo [~lugo@p4FD5D30D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:58:10 * Belugas thinks like Rubidium 15:58:34 <Eddi|zuHause3> let's completely break trunk ;) 15:58:52 *** Hendikins [~wolfox@CPE-124-189-3-149.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:59:04 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: belugas * r11579 /trunk/src/ (8 files in 2 dirs): 15:59:04 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Revert(r11578): some cases of key propagation are not handled correctly. 15:59:04 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: A better solution will be deviced, but not now. Let's not cause a ton of bug reports 15:59:33 <Eddi|zuHause3> yeah, like that :p 15:59:53 *** lugo [~lugo@p4FD5FBAE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:59:56 <Belugas> by the way, i'm really sad to see that there are no bug fixed proposed by users. Only an awfull lot of features and features and features 16:00:10 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has joined #openttd 16:01:16 <Eddi|zuHause3> i found a bug when generating a new map with alpine grf loaded, but did not have the time to isolate it yet... 16:02:43 <Belugas> fix it! 16:03:00 <SmatZ> hello 16:03:05 *** eJoJ [~ejoj@89.10.29.29] has joined #openttd 16:03:13 <Belugas> hello SmatZ 16:03:53 <SmatZ> hello Belugas 16:06:37 <SpComb> http://dev.myottd.net:8119/ <-- "focusing" zoom 16:06:54 <SpComb> i.e. it enlarges/shrinks the previous zoom level while it's loading the current zoom level 16:06:57 *** ampcoder [~ampcoder@lawn-128-61-25-234.lawn.gatech.edu] has joined #openttd 16:07:42 <SpComb> it makes scrolling a tad slow, though :P 16:07:46 <SpComb> but it works o/ 16:08:22 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@ti0140a340-0342.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 16:09:33 *** Hendikins [~wolfox@CPE-124-189-3-149.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 16:10:38 *** lugo [~lugo@p4FD5DB97.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:11:56 <valhallasw> SpComb: is there some way to hide the loading-image-indicator? 16:12:08 <valhallasw> by creating a table that has a background or sth? 16:12:21 <SpComb> if you zoom out and scroll across the entire map, the loading-image things don't show up anymore, ever 16:12:32 <SpComb> oh wait, they do 16:12:36 <valhallasw> it does when zooming in 16:12:48 <SpComb> those are indeed distracting 16:13:22 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl10-220-198.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 16:16:27 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A6ECA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:16:39 <SpComb> there 16:17:29 *** llugo [~lugo@p4FD5D30D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:17:30 *** |Bastiaan| [~kvirc@77.60.199.137] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 3.2.6 Anomalies http://www.kvirc.net/] 16:19:16 <Gonozal_VIII> hmmm that generates large static images of the map when zoomed out? you could put that into the game to enable more zoom out levels on large maps :-) 16:19:58 <SpComb> what do you mean? I just modify the e.style.width/e.style.height properties of the <img>s 16:20:14 <SpComb> it uses whatever shinking/bloating algorithm that firefox uses 16:21:22 <Belugas> i think Gonozal_VIII wishes more zoom out on the game itself... 16:21:27 <Gonozal_VIII> i mean you could use that ingame for zooming out very far without the game crawling 16:21:38 <SpComb> indeed, and my javascript code isn't really relevant to OpenTTD 16:22:11 <hylje> zoom levels over 3 should be static images of the landscape and buildings 16:22:26 <Gonozal_VIII> yes :-) 16:23:04 <SmatZ> [17:19:59] <SpComb> what do you mean? I just modify the e.style.width/e.style.height properties of the <img>s 16:23:06 <SmatZ> nice idea 16:23:06 * Belugas is depressed now... deeply 16:23:14 <hylje> :P 16:23:21 * hylje pats Belugas' back 16:23:25 <SmatZ> Belugas all will be good again soon! 16:23:28 <Gonozal_VIII> poor belugas 16:23:36 <hylje> no bugs, only features ;_; 16:24:26 <SpComb> SmatZ: implementing the code for this kind of stuff is trivial once you work it and get the correct positive/negative sign on the zoom delta 16:24:51 <SpComb> http://myottd.marttila.de/browser/trunk/test/static/tiles.js#L266 16:25:07 *** divo [~divo.afx@0x4dd443c6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.2 :: www.regroup-esports.com )] 16:25:10 * SpComb uses fun variable names 16:25:52 <hylje> nicely descriptive 16:25:54 <Belugas> [11:27] <hylje> zoom levels over 3 should be static images of the landscape and buildings <--- why have we never had such a brilliant and bug free idea????? 16:25:57 *** divo [~divo.afx@0x4dd443c6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 16:26:30 <Gonozal_VIII> sarcasm? 16:26:39 <Gonozal_VIII> what bugs? 16:26:45 <Belugas> yeah... 16:26:46 <hylje> i suspect a metric load of sarcasm, yes 16:27:12 <SpComb> the correct term is "metric shitload" 16:27:23 <Belugas> i mean... some ideas may sound good at first, but when knowing the internals, you just can laugh 16:27:38 *** divo [~divo.afx@0x4dd443c6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [] 16:27:42 <SpComb> replace OpenTTD's blitter/renderer with gecko 16:27:47 <Gonozal_VIII> spcombe manages to extract the pictues somehow... 16:27:47 <hylje> ha 16:27:50 <Gonozal_VIII> -e 16:27:55 *** divo [~divo.afx@0x4dd443c6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 16:27:58 <hylje> it doesnt work that way 16:28:10 <hylje> and the first thing to do when i'm gonna contribute stuff 16:28:13 * Belugas goes away, shaking his head in disbelief 16:28:30 <hylje> is to see how stuff works and maybe find if it could work better 16:28:49 * SpComb thinks he has managed to figure out how the viewport coordiantes work now 16:29:10 <SpComb> although I always set top and left to zero now, so I'm still not entirely sure what *those* do now 16:29:24 <hylje> magic, i tell you 16:30:33 *** divo [~divo.afx@0x4dd443c6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [] 16:30:49 *** divo [~divo.afx@0x4dd443c6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 16:30:49 <SpComb> and as for the javascript code, it's going more and more in the direction of more or less cloneing google maps 16:31:20 <SpComb> I need to change the mousewheel zoom code to work like google maps does, and then I probably need to optimize the focus-zoom stuff in the same way that google has 16:32:01 <SpComb> currently if you go over an area while zoomed in, then zoom out and look at the same area, you're looking at several hundred images... not that snappy anymore 16:33:27 <Gonozal_VIII> ooooh i forgot to say... great work so far :-) 16:35:28 *** divo [~divo.afx@0x4dd443c6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has 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I sprite 12 are some miscolored pixels 18:18:11 <Wolf01> i know 18:18:37 <Wolf01> i'm recoloring the second terrain stages 18:22:23 <LeviathNL> on http://i11.tinypic.com/7wudmqw.png i pointed out some gridlines that I think need to be looked at, the lines are in the sprites but don't seem to fit 18:23:33 <SpComb> lego! 18:25:15 <Eddi|zuHause3> it's not lego, it's brickland 18:25:21 <Eddi|zuHause3> lego is copyrighted 18:25:33 *** eJoJ [~ejoj@106.84-48-125.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 18:25:33 *** shodan [user@xerxes.foocode.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:25:56 *** shodan [user@xerxes.foocode.net] has joined #openttd 18:32:28 <SpComb> grr... why would a dedicated server be unable to load any savegames? 18:32:37 *** CIA-1 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:32:58 <Belugas> typo in name? 18:32:58 <Eddi|zuHause3> wrong version? 18:33:06 <Eddi|zuHause3> missing zlib-devel? 18:33:18 <Eddi|zuHause3> missing newgrfs? 18:33:22 <glx> what is the error message? 18:35:19 <Eddi|zuHause3> hm, how is it decided which industry gets the cargo delivered to a station? 18:35:24 <SpComb> I can load the savegame just fine in the client of the same revision, but the dedicated server can't 18:35:35 <SpComb> Game Load Failed:File not readable 18:36:04 <Eddi|zuHause3> most likely you compiled without zlib 18:36:52 <Eddi|zuHause3> you can try loading a game saved from that server 18:40:38 <SpComb> and what's wrong version? Can you not load games saved with earlier versions of OpenTTD with newer versions of OpenTTD? 18:41:05 <glx> you can always load from previous versions 18:41:24 <SpComb> --with-zlib and it still doesn't load 18:42:43 <Belugas> Eddi|zuHause3, iirc, it is the closest industry tile that accepts the delivered cargo 18:43:11 <SpComb> http://pb.paivola.fi/383 18:43:41 *** divo [~divo.afx@0x4dd443c6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:43:46 <Eddi|zuHause3> SpComb: you need to install zlib-devel, of course 18:43:59 <glx> if (_sl.fh == NULL && mode == SL_LOAD) _sl.fh = FioFOpenFile(filename, "rb", SAVE_DIR); 18:43:59 <glx> if (_sl.fh == NULL && mode == SL_LOAD) _sl.fh = FioFOpenFile(filename, "rb", BASE_DIR); 18:44:11 <glx> that's where it tries to load 18:44:23 <SpComb> I have zlib1g-dev 1.2.3-13 installed, and it compiles just fine 18:45:02 <glx> can you load /tmp/... with a client? 18:45:17 *** NarkSlap [~me@h64n1c1o1114.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #openttd 18:45:17 <SpComb> dunno, can't run a client 18:45:45 <SpComb> the savegame file itself works if I load it on windows from a network drive 18:45:46 <Eddi|zuHause3> generate a map, save it, and load it 18:46:00 <Eddi|zuHause3> with the server 18:46:22 <SmatZ> SpComb: all I can say: I do not have this problem 18:46:27 <Eddi|zuHause3> also check the reading rights 18:46:29 <glx> SpComb: what happens if you put it in an openttd dir? 18:46:47 <SpComb> "Map sucessfully saved to foo.sav" - where did the file go? 18:47:04 <Wolf01> LeviathNL: http://wolf01.game-host.org/OTTD_related/lego/terrain_inverted.PNG 18:47:06 <SpComb> it's not anywhere in the dir that the openttd exec is in 18:47:10 <Eddi|zuHause3> in ~/.openttd/save probably 18:47:20 <SpComb> so it is 18:47:51 <SpComb> http://pb.paivola.fi/384 <-- feature or bug? 18:47:59 <SpComb> (I hit ^C in the second one, it loaded it) 18:48:32 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A47061.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 18:49:47 <LeviathNL> Wolf01, can you look at the gridlines? I will pngcodec these second stage demolition-tiles now 18:50:08 <Wolf01> i'm fixing the first stage now 18:50:20 <glx> SpComb: hmm looks like using full path fails 18:50:25 <Wolf01> i think that all the tiles need to be fixed 18:50:41 <glx> and that's weird 18:51:21 <SmatZ> maybe no read access to "/" and "/home/" ? 18:51:30 <SmatZ> or exec 18:51:50 <SmatZ> I don't know how OTTD browses directories... 18:52:35 <glx> try ./bin/openttd -D -g ~/.openttd/save/foo.sav 18:53:34 <SpComb> terom@zapotekII:~/my_ottd/test$ echo ~/.openttd/save/foo.sav 18:53:34 <SpComb> /home/terom/.openttd/save/foo.sav 18:53:37 <SpComb> bash expands it 18:56:25 <SpComb> http://dev.myottd.net:8119/#goto_3161_1302_1 <-- hmm... I somehow managed to load the openttd title game 18:56:28 <Sacro> !seen ThePizzaKing 18:56:39 <Sacro> @seen ThePizzaKing 18:56:41 <DorpsGek> Sacro: ThePizzaKing was last seen in #openttd 14 hours, 49 minutes, and 59 seconds ago: <ThePizzaKing> I might not have done the last matrix step either, and just subed in the value for y 18:56:46 <SpComb> I mean http://dev.myottd.net:8119/#goto_3234_1392_1 18:56:55 <Sacro> thanks DorpsGek, he was wrong about that :( 18:58:36 <glx> SpComb: what version are you using? 18:58:54 <SpComb> so if I load that game into the client, it's fine, but if I load it into the dedicated server, it loads the openttd title save instead 18:58:59 <SpComb> r11557 18:59:41 <glx> @openttd commit 11569 18:59:46 <DorpsGek> glx: Commit by rubidium :: r11569 trunk/src/fileio.cpp (2007-12-04 18:42:08 UTC) 18:59:47 <DorpsGek> glx: -Fix [FS#1480]: full paths sometimes did not work correctly. 18:59:51 *** llugo [~lugo@p4FD5CAAE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:59:54 <glx> try this one :) 19:00:04 <SpComb> looks promising 19:02:46 *** CIA-1 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has joined #openttd 19:03:17 * SpComb twiddles thumbs while it compiles 19:04:52 <LeviathNL> Wolf01, looks better now imho 19:04:52 *** |Bastiaan| [~kvirc@ip87-205-173-82.adsl2.versatel.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:05:06 <LeviathNL> (with green studs on brown ground) 19:05:44 <hylje> are you implying lego grass is built on lego dirt, all in a lego block supershape? 19:06:31 *** divo [~divo.afx@0x4dd443c6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 19:06:38 *** lugo [~lugo@p4FD5F13D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:08:23 <Sacro> i thought it was breeded :( 19:08:30 <SpComb> glx: r11576, no change 19:08:38 <SpComb> still loads the title savegame instead 19:08:55 <SpComb> and the windows client still loads the savegame fine 19:08:58 <LeviathNL> hylje, that sentence is confusing me (lego block supershape?) 19:09:06 <hylje> the shape of shapes 19:09:55 <Wolf01> LeviathNL, the corner full-slopes should be lowered by one stud 19:12:08 <LeviathNL> then the bottom will not line up correctly. 19:13:44 <Eddi|zuHause3> hylje: again, it's not lego 19:14:04 <hylje> fine 19:14:32 <Eddi|zuHause3> (loosely based on the simpsons quote: "i'm not xena") 19:15:49 <hylje> i thought you were xena.. 19:16:50 <SpComb> so what could cause OpenTTD to load title.dat as a normal savegame whenever you pass it a certain savegame via -g? 19:18:21 <SpComb> right, it works if I load it in the client, save it, and then load that in the server 19:18:53 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50c79a03.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 19:18:56 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 19:19:27 <Belugas> what about loading a save made by the client? 19:19:53 <Sacro> eaten by a grue 19:20:05 <Sacro> Cocks 19:20:09 <Bjarni> what is a grue? 19:20:21 <Sacro> i didn't type that 19:20:27 <Sacro> left the lab computer unattended 19:20:30 <SpComb> Belugas: that works as well 19:20:32 <hylje> text adventures have grues 19:20:36 <LeviathNL> Wolf01, http://i13.tinypic.com/6z45o3c.png better than the inverted? 19:20:36 *** Szandor [~a@host-83-146-12-110.bulldogdsl.com] has quit [] 19:20:47 <SpComb> now my code is just crashing after free(), I guess it has too many vehicles or something 19:22:39 <Belugas> so, is it to say that your server cannot load saves he made himself? but can load anything else? 19:23:43 <Belugas> next idea would be to try a nightly version, just to check if it is not something on your compilation that went coucou 19:25:07 <Wolf01> LeviathNL http://wolf01.game-host.org/OTTD_related/lego/terrain_stage1_fix.PNG 19:25:27 <Wolf01> the tiles borders should be fixed 19:25:34 <SpComb> Belugas: no, it's a savegame from openttdcoop 19:25:46 <SpComb> from some revision in october 19:25:59 <LeviathNL> Wolf01, any changes in size of the tiles? 19:26:06 <Wolf01> no 19:27:00 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 19:28:10 *** LordAzamath [~LordAzama@ip101.cab22.ltln.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 19:31:13 <LeviathNL> Wolf01, I see you didn't fix the miscolored pixels in sprite 12? 19:32:36 *** Szandor [~a@host-83-146-12-110.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #openttd 19:32:40 *** Szandor [~a@host-83-146-12-110.bulldogdsl.com] has quit [] 19:32:41 *** Szandor [~a@host-83-146-12-110.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #openttd 19:32:52 *** Szandor [~a@host-83-146-12-110.bulldogdsl.com] has quit [] 19:32:52 *** Szandor [~a@host-83-146-12-110.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #openttd 19:33:53 <Wolf01> what's wrong with it? 19:36:40 <LeviathNL> Wolf01, http://i3.tinypic.com/8bdzips.png 19:37:00 <Wolf01> ahh 19:38:12 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-212-142.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 19:39:30 <Wolf01> fixed, same link 19:39:41 <SpComb> screenshoting the new percentage-loaded signs causes it to crash when it free()s the buff used by the screenshot code 19:40:14 <skidd13> night 19:40:15 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A6ECA.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people. - Eleanor Roosevelt] 19:40:20 * Wolf01 -> dinner 19:40:56 * Belugas -> work 19:41:02 <SpComb> at least for my code, somehow 19:42:25 *** lugo [~lugo@p4FD5D5AC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:44:40 *** Szandor_ [~a@host-83-146-12-110.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #openttd 19:44:41 *** Szandor [~a@host-83-146-12-110.bulldogdsl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:45:11 *** Szandor_ [~a@host-83-146-12-110.bulldogdsl.com] has quit [] 19:46:26 <LeviathNL> Wolf01, nice everything seems to be correct now 19:48:45 *** llugo [~lugo@p4FD5CAAE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:52:38 *** LordAzamath [~LordAzama@ip101.cab22.ltln.starman.ee] has left #openttd [Kopete 0.12.5 : http://kopete.kde.org] 19:53:06 <SpComb> ok, drawing signs seems to be broken to the point of memory corruption at zoom levels 2X and 4X? 19:53:48 <SpComb> I can make a screenshot of a sign just fine at normal zoom and 8X zoom, but at 4X zoom it tries to draw the rectangle around it, but it goes all over the place, and at 2X, it crashes 19:58:47 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 19:59:41 <SpComb> it doesn't seem to apply to drawing to the screen buffer, and it doesn't happen in the giant screenshot, but if I try and screenshot a viewport with ZOOM_LVL_OUT_2X, it does memory corruption 20:09:23 *** divo [~divo.afx@0x4dd443c6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.2 :: www.regroup-esports.com )] 20:09:40 *** divo [~divo.afx@0x4dd443c6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 20:10:17 <SpComb> http://dev.myottd.net:8119/tile?x=4096&y=4608&w=315&h=256&z=0&ts=1196971569696 <-- values of w between (inclusive) 195 and 314 cause it to crash 20:10:49 <SpComb> it's not really a bug in my code, I guess OpenTTD's code just wasn't designed to take screenshots of viewports at zoom levels other than NORMAL 20:11:04 <SmatZ> I really doubt 20:12:02 <SpComb> if doesn't crash if I remove the sign 20:12:48 <SpComb> there might, of course, be some kind of bug as to how I pass around the viewport dimensions then... useage of those functions isn't really documented anywhere 20:12:50 <BiA|pavel-css> SpComb: but signs worked later ... or thats why you crashed last time? :) 20:14:45 <SmatZ> SpComb: created new game, placed sign, pressed Ctrl+G, nothing crashed 20:16:14 <SmatZ> SpComb: well... giant screenshots are made with ZOOM_LVL_NORMAL 20:16:24 <SmatZ> no matter what zoom level you have set 20:16:30 <SmatZ> so it may do something unexpected 20:17:06 <SpComb> oh right, I remembered that bit wrong 20:17:59 <SpComb> BiA|pavel-css: I don't really understand what you mean 20:18:58 <SpComb> one thing that crashes it is taking a normal-zoom screenshot of a sign where the sign (and a bit around the dges) is not completely inside the screenshot 20:19:20 <SpComb> another symptom is that when it tries to draw the box around the sign, the lines go all over the place 20:19:46 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B81CDA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:20:21 <SpComb> http://dev.myottd.net:8119/tile?x=4096&y=4608&w=512&h=256&z=0&ts=1196971569696 <-- observe. I guess those must be my fault, and it's probably the same reason that it's crashing 20:21:19 <SmatZ> SpComb: what value does something like screen.pitch return? 20:21:20 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B82BDD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 20:21:22 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 20:21:31 <SpComb> in what context? 20:21:45 <SpComb> the DrawPixelInfo.pitch that I set? I set it to the same as .width 20:21:52 <SpComb> not sure where I grabbed the code for that 20:21:53 <SmatZ> SpComb: it seems the pixels are drawn with too high pitch 20:22:00 <SpComb> what is pitch? :) 20:22:10 <SmatZ> SpComb: number of bytes per line 20:22:22 <SmatZ> it may be more than width even for 8bpp modes 20:22:31 <SpComb> and for 8bpp? 20:22:37 <SpComb> oh right, "even for" 20:22:47 <SpComb> so how do I determine the correct value, then? 20:23:01 <SmatZ> I don't know, sorry 20:23:10 <Eddi|zuHause3> -- skidd13 hat den Kanal verlassen (Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people. - Eleanor Roosevelt). <--- weird, i heard that sencence just a few days ago somewhere else... 20:23:17 * SpComb is already rgrepping 20:23:22 <Eddi|zuHause3> just in a slightly different form 20:23:34 <SmatZ> SpComb: maybe set it to your image width before compression 20:23:55 *** erikv [~erik@kotnet-144.kulnet.kuleuven.be] has joined #openttd 20:24:22 <SpComb> src/video/win32_v.cpp: _screen.pitch = (bpp == 8) ? Align(w, 4) : w; 20:26:22 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-108-75.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [Quit: brb] 20:27:34 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-108-75.fttx.bbned.nl] has joined #openttd 20:28:24 <SpComb> MakeWorldScreenshot sets (ViewPort vp) vp.virtual_width = (MapMaxX() + MapMaxY()) * TILE_PIXELS; vp.width = vp.virtual_width; and then dpi.pitch is set to that 20:29:20 <SpComb> I set width to the pixel width as in the URL, and then virtual_width to ScaleByZoom(width, zoom) 20:29:36 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A47061.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 20:29:37 <SpComb> but that gives my corrupt sign rectangles even with normal zoom 20:31:59 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A47061.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 20:32:01 <SpComb> using Align(width, 4); for pitch doesn't help 20:32:56 *** shodan [user@xerxes.foocode.net] has quit [Quit: Client Exiting] 20:34:14 <SpComb> it just makes it crash for all widths not divisible by 4 20:34:57 <hylje> :o 20:35:02 <hylje> hmm 20:35:54 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-212-142.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:37:09 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r11581 /trunk/src/newgrf_cargo.h: -Codechange: add some missing cargo classes and some documentation. 20:39:30 * SpComb preferrs to spend as little time as possible in the OpenTTD code 20:39:40 <BiA|pavel-css> why OpenTTD server si recieving someting at port 49985? 20:39:42 <SpComb> it's not documented very well and guesswork leads to interesting things with C code 20:41:00 <Rubidium> probably because it sent if from that port 20:41:17 <Digitalfox> Actually i'm not a coder SpComb but trunk has received a lot of documentation lately.. 20:41:44 <BiA|pavel-css> "if" ? 20:42:01 <Rubidium> s/if/it/ 20:42:07 <Digitalfox> Comparing 0.5 to 0.6 (Beta or trunk) and lot's of documentation was added 20:43:52 <SpComb> mostly having an issue with the viewport code, which is mostly from r1 and mostly undocumented 20:48:11 <BiA|pavel-css> i don't know, but it seems to recieving something on random ports while no sending anything 20:48:34 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r11582 /trunk/src/water_cmd.cpp: -Fix: tiles were not marked dirty in some cases when removing a lock 20:49:43 <BiA|pavel-css> lol, MS now see my server ... :-/ 20:50:59 <BiA|pavel-css> can anyone see any server @ 83.208.140.48:3979 20:51:21 <Rubidium> if the MS can everybody should, unless you are actively blocking them 20:51:46 <BiA|pavel-css> ask glx: he couldn't yesterday 20:51:54 <BiA|pavel-css> and Gonozal_VIII: joined my server ... 20:53:26 *** erikv [~erik@kotnet-144.kulnet.kuleuven.be] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:53:38 *** HerzogDeXtE1 [~dex@i577B6D5A.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 20:53:51 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-179-59.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 20:53:53 <BiA|pavel-css> Rubidium: how can i block just some users to disallow them to see me? 20:54:27 <Rubidium> you can't 20:54:29 <Gonozal_VIII> r11580M ? 20:54:33 <BiA|pavel-css> yup 20:54:36 <BiA|pavel-css> lol again you 20:54:39 <Rubidium> as they can always see you using the masterserver 20:54:46 <Digitalfox> Does anyone here uses email hotmail.com or live.com?? How the hell do we now see how much space is being used and free space available? 20:55:31 <BiA|pavel-css> Gonozal_VIII: yesterday i restarted server and MS didnt saw me anymore :( 20:55:34 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A47061.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 20:55:38 <Digitalfox> I've search everywhere and can't find the space available and used in my email :\ 20:55:56 <Digitalfox> It's like they are hiding it :\ 20:55:59 <Gonozal_VIII> hmmm 20:56:05 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r11583 /trunk/src/window.cpp: -Fix [FS#1484]: windows could get completely missing when one resized the window to something very small. 20:56:54 <BiA|pavel-css> soo, i will start new server ... 20:57:37 <Gonozal_VIII> you're right digitalfox... 20:57:43 <Gonozal_VIII> nowhere to be seen 20:58:03 <BiA|pavel-css> wow, MS see me again, its my record :) 20:58:18 <Digitalfox> Gonozal_VIII: I am? I was thinking i was missing it.. :) 20:58:31 <BiA|pavel-css> Gonozal_VIII: you are bad tester, it works for you all time :) 20:58:38 <Gonozal_VIII> hehe 20:58:48 <BiA|pavel-css> cna you just try to connect? 20:58:50 <BiA|pavel-css> *can 20:58:51 <Gonozal_VIII> i don't have your version so... nope 20:59:07 <BiA|pavel-css> now clearl 11580 20:59:09 <BiA|pavel-css> *clear 20:59:21 <BiA|pavel-css> what version do you have? :P 20:59:36 <Gonozal_VIII> 11542 :P 20:59:50 <BiA|pavel-css> not that one ^^ 20:59:54 <BiA|pavel-css> beta1 :) 21:00:31 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~dex@i577B4720.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:00:49 <BiA|pavel-css> http://www.openttd.org/server_detail.php?id=11834 ... MS see me again :) 21:00:51 <BiA|pavel-css> good day :) 21:01:08 <Gonozal_VIII> O_o 21:01:13 <Gonozal_VIII> 3 times... 21:02:09 <Gonozal_VIII> 3 different ports... 21:02:38 <Gonozal_VIII> 4... 21:03:04 <Gonozal_VIII> doesn't work 21:03:08 <BiA|pavel-css> O_o 21:03:13 <glx> still offline 21:03:37 <Gonozal_VIII> 6 times online now with 6 different ports... 21:03:45 <BiA|pavel-css> wtf? 21:04:43 <BiA|pavel-css> Gonozal_VIII: what ports? :) 21:04:55 <Gonozal_VIII> 11646 21:05:05 <Gonozal_VIII> 11650 21:05:12 <Gonozal_VIII> 11643 21:05:19 <Gonozal_VIII> 11642 21:05:26 <Gonozal_VIII> 11649 21:05:29 <BiA|pavel-css> search 3979 one :D 21:05:36 <Gonozal_VIII> 11654 21:06:01 <Gonozal_VIII> no 3979 21:06:17 <BiA|pavel-css> can anyhow help setting server_bind_ip or connect_to_ip? 21:06:46 <BiA|pavel-css> well, i can try :) 21:07:37 <BiA|pavel-css> Gonozal_VIII: now? 21:08:28 <Gonozal_VIII> offline :-) 21:08:32 <BiA|pavel-css> lol :) 21:08:41 <BiA|pavel-css> now, only MS can see me 21:08:50 <Gonozal_VIII> i have you 7 times in my list, 6 online 1 offline 21:08:56 <BiA|pavel-css> :D 21:09:07 <BiA|pavel-css> btw, 4times that MS see me ... 21:09:26 <ln-> Gonozal_VIII: flood warning 21:09:52 <BiA|pavel-css> :) 21:10:21 <Gonozal_VIII> sorry... he asked for the ports 21:11:30 <BiA|pavel-css> Gonozal_VIII: and now? i cleared openttd.cfg :) 21:11:45 <ln-> Gonozal_VIII: at least over here in finland we have this convention of expressing list of things by separating them with commas, not newlines. 21:12:24 <Gonozal_VIII> the one where i can't see the port (i assume it's the 3979 one) is still marked as offline the others seem to have clients on them and change positions at random 21:12:25 <Eddi|zuHause3> you 21:12:25 <Eddi|zuHause3> have 21:12:28 <Eddi|zuHause3> a 21:12:30 <Eddi|zuHause3> strange 21:12:32 <Eddi|zuHause3> convention 21:12:37 <Gonozal_VIII> :D 21:12:49 <BiA|pavel-css> omg :) 21:13:07 <BiA|pavel-css> MS can see me again 21:13:08 <BiA|pavel-css> :( 21:13:47 <Gonozal_VIII> strange things are going on there^^ 21:13:55 <BiA|pavel-css> on me :( 21:14:15 *** Diabolic1Angel [~dia@xdsl-84-44-134-100.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 21:15:41 <ln-> how has cable? 21:17:01 <Gonozal_VIII> lots of them 21:17:47 <Gonozal_VIII> i use them to move my electrons 21:18:03 <BiA|pavel-css> cable is ok :) 21:18:08 *** alex^^ [~email@78-86-117-217.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 21:18:17 <BiA|pavel-css> and this one is almost new :) 21:18:39 <Rubidium> BiA|pavel-css: have you opened/redirected the TCP port? 21:18:45 <BiA|pavel-css> but lan(hamachi) works ... 21:18:52 <BiA|pavel-css> yeah i tried even all ports 21:19:03 <Rubidium> BiA|pavel-css: the MS does not use the TCP port 21:19:10 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-108-75.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [Quit: brb] 21:19:15 <BiA|pavel-css> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=35178 21:19:15 <ln-> who wants to tell me about cable-tv in Germany? 21:19:15 <Rubidium> so if the MS sees you it still doesn't mean the TCP port is open 21:19:16 *** titus_ [~titus@intter.net] has joined #openttd 21:19:37 <BiA|pavel-css> hmm how i open TCP port? 21:19:48 <alex^^> http://pastebin.com/m6d5bde72 # can someone please tell me why my vsersers are not rebooting after i did a system reboot? 21:20:05 <Rubidium> that depends on your OS and firewall and router and ... 21:20:36 <alex^^> woops 21:21:04 *** alex^^ [~email@78-86-117-217.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has left #openttd [] 21:21:05 <BiA|pavel-css> OS - win XP ... FW - turning off him doesnt help, router - i forwarded 3979 thats all, i dont know what i can do with him :) 21:21:06 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@xdsl-84-44-156-233.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:21:06 *** titus [~titus@intter.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:21:55 <Rubidium> if you forwarded 3979 (and did it correctly) then starting openttd when using that port should work 21:22:11 <Rubidium> if it does not, then your computer/os/router is blocking it 21:22:38 <BiA|pavel-css> hmm 21:23:24 <BiA|pavel-css> so i have blocked tcp? :/ 21:23:31 <Rubidium> probably 21:23:35 <Rubidium> or your ISP 21:23:42 <BiA|pavel-css> ISP? 21:23:57 <Gonozal_VIII> provider 21:24:31 <BiA|pavel-css> well, how provider can block it if Gonozal_VIII joined yesterday ... 21:24:59 <Gonozal_VIII> i h4xx0r3d through 21:25:40 <Rubidium> once I could just send and receive mail directly from my DSL account, now I can't due to the provider having blocked that port, but according to your 'vision' on the world I should still be able to send mail... 21:26:34 <BiA|pavel-css> well, port scanner can help :) 21:26:38 <BiA|pavel-css> and ... 83.208.140.48 is responding on port 3979 (). 21:26:53 <BiA|pavel-css> it will never respond if provider block it 21:27:00 <BiA|pavel-css> i hope now :( 21:27:42 <Eddi|zuHause3> is it also responding to UDP? 21:28:27 <BiA|pavel-css> UDP? :) you try http://www.t1shopper.com/tools/port-scanner/ :) 21:30:30 <LeviathNL> Wolf01, are you planning on fixing the other stages today? 21:32:05 <BiA|pavel-css> Eddi|zuHause3: whats udp? 21:32:15 <SmatZ> this guy probably stole ~20 mil Euro (500 mil CZK) ... http://www.novinky.cz/clanek/128385-tema-kradez-stoleti.html ... maybe he is dead already :-/ 21:32:28 <Eddi|zuHause3> what? how? where? when? 21:32:29 <BiA|pavel-css> SmatZ: 560M :) 21:32:42 <Eddi|zuHause3> why does how not start with a w? 21:32:47 <Gonozal_VIII> 20 mio... peanuts 21:32:51 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-160-2.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 21:33:05 <SmatZ> :) 21:33:15 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 21:35:13 <SmatZ> if he bet "9, 10, 24, 28, 39, 42, 3" in that German lottery, he could have that money in much easier way :-/ 21:35:30 <BiA|pavel-css> :D 21:39:00 <Eddi|zuHause3> not really, because the jackpot was only 43M, and afaik it is shared by several people 21:39:31 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@pool-71-98-105-192.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 21:39:50 <BiA|pavel-css> 43M czech or your currency? 21:39:55 <SmatZ> Euro 21:40:09 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@pool-71-98-105-192.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [] 21:40:15 <ln-> Eddi|zuHause3: what happened with the police forces of DDR at the Change? 21:40:41 <Eddi|zuHause3> ln-: they stayed? 21:40:48 <Eddi|zuHause3> where would they go? 21:41:07 <BiA|pavel-css> 43M * 26 = 1118M kc and he stole "just" 560M :) 21:41:49 <ln-> Eddi|zuHause3: i mean.. they probably had somewhat different training and instructions and uniforms than their western colleagues.. 21:42:34 <Eddi|zuHause3> i only know a person that was in the police orchestra, but that one got disbanded, and he was transfered to a "real" police unit 21:43:20 <Eddi|zuHause3> maybe they forced out some of the higher ranked officers 21:43:35 <ln-> Eddi|zuHause3: and also, when a country ceases to exist, it's not that clear if the police still have any legal grounds to be police. 21:44:25 <Eddi|zuHause3> what i know for sure is that the military was disbanded, all military property and a portion of the soldiers got taken over by the western military 21:45:07 <Eddi|zuHause3> i assume something similar, with different scale, happened with the police 21:45:37 <BiA|pavel-css> gn @ all 21:45:42 <ln-> ok 21:45:56 <Eddi|zuHause3> at least there are a lot of policemen that are still policemen from the "old times" 21:46:05 *** BiA|pavel-css [~pavel.g@48.140.broadband2.iol.cz] has quit [] 21:46:42 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-105-192.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:47:00 <Eddi|zuHause3> does that remotely answer your question? 21:47:38 <ln-> even largely. thanks. 21:47:52 *** Diabolic1Angel [~dia@xdsl-84-44-134-100.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:48:40 <ln-> http://www.polizeioldtimer.de/oldtimerseiten/wartburg.htm 21:49:26 <Eddi|zuHause3> you can find similar processes throughout the entire public services... a lot of the high ranked people got driven out (usually because of party-membership), usually being replaced by more or less capable western persons, while the lower ranks just got taken over 21:53:10 <Eddi|zuHause3> yeah, i remember those... 21:53:11 *** divo [~divo.afx@0x4dd443c6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:53:21 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-108-75.fttx.bbned.nl] has joined #openttd 21:53:24 *** divo [~divo.afx@0x4dd443c6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 21:53:44 <Eddi|zuHause3> of course most of the technical stuff was horribly outdated, especially cars got replaced very fast by western versions 21:53:56 <Bjarni> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_OCTf_eFE8 <-- hehe.. some people talk about adding the Welsh flag into Union Jack... 2 chan has been helpful and has made a whole lot of ways to do it (some more creative than others) :D 21:54:12 <Bjarni> Sacro: looks like your new flag might have anime in it XD 21:54:37 <Sacro> ? 21:56:25 *** Wezz6400 is now known as Guest471 21:56:30 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-108-75.fttx.bbned.nl] has joined #openttd 21:58:06 <Bjarni> Sacro: check out 2:52 21:58:32 <Bjarni> http://www.japanprobe.com/wp-content/uploads/union-jack.gif <-- or this one, which is the source for the video 21:58:46 *** fjb [~frank@p5485EB5C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:58:57 <fjb> Moin 22:01:52 <ThePizzaKing> Yay! I passed all my second semester subjects for University :D 22:02:29 <Eddi|zuHause3> second semester? at this time of the year? 22:02:39 <Rubidium> and you're in your fifth semester by now... 22:03:20 <Eddi|zuHause3> here, the winter semester usually has an odd number 22:03:23 *** Guest471 [~Wezz6400@145-118-108-75.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:03:25 <ThePizzaKing> 1st semester in the first half of the year 22:03:54 <Eddi|zuHause3> because you finish school in july, and start studying in october 22:04:21 <Eddi|zuHause3> or you have military or civil service inbetween, which usually costs you a year 22:04:31 <fjb> Eddi|zuHause3: They do some things different at the other side of the wolrd. 22:04:51 <Eddi|zuHause3> yeah, like mixing up winter and summer ;) 22:05:05 <ThePizzaKing> hehehe 22:05:14 <ThePizzaKing> And walking on our heads? 22:05:20 <fjb> That is because they try to avoid falling off the earth. 22:05:39 <Eddi|zuHause3> i thought they used anchors for that 22:05:55 <ln-> anyone not obeying the standard 4-semester year shall be kicked. 22:06:00 *** Greyscale [Greyscale@host81-158-73-177.range81-158.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 22:06:03 <Eddi|zuHause3> (now... which stupid tv series did i get that from...) 22:06:40 * fjb doesn't know that stupid tv series. 22:06:50 <ln-> when was the first change to watch ST: TNG in DDR? 22:06:55 <ln-> chance even 22:07:17 <Eddi|zuHause3> i don't really know... 22:07:55 <Eddi|zuHause3> i do know that i watched the episode where they got stuck and whenever they moved, they ended up at the same place again 22:08:01 <Eddi|zuHause3> but i don't know when that was 22:08:19 <Bjarni> <ThePizzaKing> Yay! I passed all my second semester subjects for University :D <-- congratulations. I remember when that happened... feels like ages ago now 22:08:31 <ThePizzaKing> thanks 22:08:31 <Eddi|zuHause3> i watched that at a neighbour of my grandparents 22:08:40 <Eddi|zuHause3> they lived pretty close to the border 22:08:46 <Bjarni> and thinking back the questions were so easy 22:08:59 <Bjarni> I mean they would be easy now (but not back then I had to solve them) 22:09:10 <Eddi|zuHause3> so they had western tv all the time 22:10:11 <Bjarni> the guards at the border didn't stop the signals? I thought they were ordered not to let anything pass 22:10:16 <fjb> Eddi|zuHause3: You were vwery bad to watch western tv then. Shame on you. :-) 22:10:35 <Eddi|zuHause3> fjb: western tv was never officially forbidden 22:11:13 <fjb> But it was still considered bad habits. 22:11:40 <glx> luckily internet was not like it is now :) 22:11:41 <Eddi|zuHause3> depends on who you ask ;) 22:11:47 *** Greyscale [Greyscale@host81-158-73-177.range81-158.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:11:56 <fjb> :-) 22:12:11 <fjb> Internet? Even China has the internet... 22:12:18 <Bjarni> <glx> luckily internet was not like it is now :) <-- back then they had a .dd domain 22:13:02 <Bjarni> <fjb> Internet? Even China has the internet... <-- they use it differently than we do. I mean you can get jailed for life if you make money on porn on the internet 22:13:06 <Bjarni> they don't like that 22:13:32 <glx> they don't like if you search stuff about Tibet either 22:13:36 <Prof_Frink> Porn? On *my* internet? 22:13:37 <fjb> They don't like many other things in China. 22:14:05 *** toet [~Reefer@3E339CE5.dslaccess.aol.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:14:22 <Bjarni> <Prof_Frink> Porn? On *my* internet? <-- that's not it... you are not allowed to make MONEY on porn on the internet 22:14:29 <Belugas> night all, i'll go and get some rest 22:14:40 <fjb> You are allowed to make porn for free? 22:14:42 <Bjarni> I think it's a law that should prevent exploitation of poor Chinese girls 22:14:47 <Eddi|zuHause3> <Bjarni> <glx> luckily internet was not like it is now :) <-- back then they had a .dd domain <- nobody ever had a .dd domain 22:14:50 <Bjarni> fjb: I think so 22:15:02 <Bjarni> Eddi|zuHause3: it's reserved for DDR 22:15:14 <Bjarni> but nobody actually used it 22:15:15 <Eddi|zuHause3> yes, but none ever got given out 22:15:15 <fjb> Night Belugas 22:15:19 <Bjarni> night Belugas 22:16:22 <fjb> German politicians had a plan to only allow porn on the internet after 10pm. 22:16:35 <Bjarni> <fjb> You are allowed to make porn for free? <-- I don't think the mafia will do that. I think money is really a reason for some people to put porn of OTHER people on the internet 22:16:40 <Rubidium> fjb: great idea ;) 22:16:51 <Bjarni> fjb: good thinking... in what timezone? 22:16:55 <Rubidium> get a contract with akamai or so and it's always after 10 pm on the server ;) 22:21:03 <Eddi|zuHause3> that is the real "realm where the sun does not set" 22:21:03 <Eddi|zuHause3> or rather "rises" 22:21:04 <fjb> The politicians were questioned "where" 10pm. They didn't understand that question... 22:21:04 <Prof_Frink> Eddi|zuHause3: Ahem, I think you'll find that was the British Empire. 22:21:04 <Eddi|zuHause3> no, actually that term was used for the austrian realm 22:21:04 <Eddi|zuHause3> back when it contained spain and all spanish colonies 22:21:04 <Eddi|zuHause3> that was way before anyone ever thought of a "british empire" 22:21:04 <Vikthor> (23:10:11) Bjarni: the guards at the border didn't stop the signals? I thought they were ordered not to let anything pass <-- I actually here they tried to jamm western broadcasting 22:21:04 <Bjarni> Vikthor: I knew they did that somewhere... but where is "here"? :) 22:21:04 <Vikthor> Czech republic, former Czechoslovakia 22:21:04 <Bjarni> saying Czech republic would be enough for us. We know Europe ;) 22:21:04 <Vikthor> They had to drop that because obviously they were jamming also in Germany and Austria and that was violation of some treaties regarding broadcasting 22:21:04 <Bjarni> hehe 22:21:06 <Bjarni> huh? 22:21:10 <Bjarni> 7 lines in 1 sec? 22:21:26 <Eddi|zuHause3> same here 22:21:32 <Vikthor> some lag of the IRC net? 22:22:05 <Bjarni> looks like it 22:22:21 *** toet [~Reefer@3E339CE5.dslaccess.aol.com] has joined #openttd 22:22:58 <Bjarni> o_O 22:23:02 <Bjarni> aol.com? 22:23:09 <Bjarni> people actually use that? 22:23:12 <SpComb> yes, it's this ISP 22:23:21 <Prof_Frink> By choice? 22:23:26 <fjb> The lag moster escaped again. 22:23:37 <Eddi|zuHause3> i heard of it from ancient fairy tales 22:23:42 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: Always remember you're unique, just like everyone else.] 22:23:49 <Eddi|zuHause3> i mean AOL, not the lag monster 22:23:59 <Bjarni> I thought aol was something invented by bash.org to scare people 22:24:00 <Eddi|zuHause3> or are they the same? 22:24:37 * Prof_Frink banishes Bjarni to September 22:24:44 <glx> AOL = internet in internet :) 22:25:03 <Bjarni> Prof_Frink: ??? 22:25:44 <Wolf01> [22:30:40] <LeviathNL> Wolf01, are you planning on fixing the other stages today? <- i think no :P 22:26:03 <Prof_Frink> Bjarni: The September that Never Ended 22:26:15 <Bjarni> 9/11? 22:26:39 <Prof_Frink> Don't be silly 22:26:46 <Prof_Frink> When AOL joined Usenet. 22:26:52 <Bjarni> The neverending story? 22:26:58 <Bjarni> oh 22:27:18 * Bjarni was unaffected by that incident 22:27:31 <Eddi|zuHause3> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_September 22:27:35 <Prof_Frink> Except, that it has, since, ended 22:27:59 <Bjarni> and now to something completely different 22:28:19 <Bjarni> Prof_Frink: what do you think about the issue about the Welsh flag and Union jack? 22:28:22 <Prof_Frink> s/to/for/ 22:28:57 <Bjarni> >_< 22:29:02 <Bjarni> shut up 22:29:08 <Bjarni> just answer the question 22:29:41 <Prof_Frink> The phrase "What issue" comes to mind 22:30:04 <SpComb> the issue about the Welsh flag and Union jack 22:30:12 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r11584 /trunk/src/ (command.cpp date.cpp network/network.cpp stdafx.h): -Change: add some extra checking in the hope to find the cause of FS#1482. 22:30:17 <Bjarni> some politician wants to add the Welsh flag to Union Jack 22:30:41 <Prof_Frink> OK, that's an issue with politicians being morons. 22:30:46 <Prof_Frink> Nowt to do with flags. 22:30:52 <Bjarni> hehe 22:31:01 <Bjarni> I like how 2chan treated it 22:31:08 <Prof_Frink> And the solution to that can be found on Facebook. 22:31:13 <Bjarni> http://www.japanprobe.com/wp-content/uploads/union-jack.gif <-- I specially like this one (but not as a national flag) 22:31:20 <Prof_Frink> Clarkson for PM! 22:31:36 <Bjarni> Clarkson.... 22:31:36 <Eddi|zuHause3> wtf is a clarkson? 22:31:52 <Prof_Frink> Eddi|zuHause3: Get out. 22:32:20 <Rubidium> hmm... a cool-board with politicians 22:32:35 <Bjarni> Eddi|zuHause3: a politician and "<Prof_Frink> [...] politicians being morons."... logically that means that Clarkson is a moron 22:32:46 <Eddi|zuHause3> i don't say Westerwelle for chancellor and then throw you out... 22:32:51 <Prof_Frink> Eddi|zuHause3: First man to drive to the north pole. 22:33:00 *** prakti [~prakti@port-213-148-152-8.static.qsc.de] has quit [Quit: Quitting .... Hackedi...hackedi...weg.] 22:33:53 <Bjarni> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/core/Slideshow/slideshowContentFrameFragXL.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/11/27/flags/flagspix.xml <-- here is a bit of a background story for the drawings from 2chan 22:34:08 <Bjarni> what is a westerwelle? 22:34:38 <ln-> Bjarni: do you have cable? 22:35:04 *** |Bastiaan| [~kvirc@ip87-205-173-82.adsl2.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 22:35:25 <Bjarni> yes 22:35:34 <Bjarni> I have both ethernet and usb cables 22:35:37 <Bjarni> :P 22:35:52 <Bjarni> not to mention firewire 22:36:14 <ln-> what about coaxial 22:36:18 <Bjarni> I got a decent bandwidth if that is what you mean 22:36:39 <ln-> i mean cable-tv. 22:36:41 <Bjarni> <ln-> what about coaxial <-- yeah... I have a connection to the TV antenna 22:36:44 <Bjarni> oh 22:36:50 <fjb> Bjarni: Westerwelle is a german politician. 22:36:50 <ln-> tv stands for television 22:36:50 * Bjarni has 3 channels 22:37:13 <Bjarni> take a guess on my TV connection 22:37:29 <Bjarni> well... I have a zillion Swedish channels as well but most of them are coded 22:37:36 <Bjarni> and the rest are in Swedish :P 22:38:05 <Sacro> is it if(foo > bar) ? return foo ? return bar? 22:38:08 <Sacro> i can't recall syntax 22:38:17 <Eddi|zuHause3> i get Al Jazeera :) 22:38:27 <fjb> if(foo > bar) ? return foo : return bar? 22:38:28 <Bjarni> Eddi|zuHause3: do you understand it? 22:38:31 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-105-192.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 22:38:47 <ln-> isn't al-jazeera in english? 22:38:50 <Sacro> though i probably shouldn't be using that style of syntax 22:38:52 <ln-> (too) 22:39:03 <Bjarni> Sacro: return (foo > bar ? foo : bar); 22:39:05 <Sacro> and c# doesn't alow it 22:39:10 <fjb> I guess he gets the english version of Al Jazeera. 22:39:32 <fjb> Who cares about C#? 22:39:36 <Sacro> Bjarni: ah yes 22:39:39 <Sacro> fjb: me 22:39:46 <Eddi|zuHause3> Bjarni: they have an english channel 22:40:01 <Eddi|zuHause3> but i get also the arabic version 22:40:07 <Bjarni> Eddi|zuHause3: ok so you understand the language but do you understand the content? 22:41:29 *** Gonozal_VIII [user@cm56-182-132.liwest.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:42:35 <Eddi|zuHause3> right now they are having a discussion about deserting american soldiers 22:43:01 <Bjarni> do you trust them? 22:43:53 <fjb> I guess you can trust them more than many of the us channels. 22:44:11 <Bjarni> are you sure? 22:44:53 <fjb> At least for the english version of Al Jazeera you can be sure about that. 22:45:32 <Eddi|zuHause3> from their setup, Al Jazeera International doesn't look very different from any other news channel out there 22:47:00 <Wolf01> 'night 22:47:05 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host251-15-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 22:47:09 <Bjarni> I don't trust them 22:47:39 <Bjarni> but then again I generally don't trust media 22:49:32 <Sacro> anyone here do C#? 22:49:40 <Sacro> i want to know how to make an array of highscores sortable 22:49:49 <Eddi|zuHause3> no, i generally do Db 22:50:06 <Eddi|zuHause3> it's called "enharmonic confusion" 22:50:06 <Bjarni> Al Jazeera were hard on Denmark during that newspaper cartoon issue. I don't know if there was a difference between the English and the Arabic versions but the Arabic version wanted to talk bad about Denmark even when they had no facts to base their statements on 22:50:22 <Bjarni> Sacro: C# isn't for real coders 22:50:26 <Bjarni> so I don't know it 22:50:29 <Sacro> Bjarni: sush you 22:50:32 <Sacro> err 22:50:34 <Sacro> shush 22:50:45 <Bjarni> sush what? 22:50:49 <Bjarni> sushi? 22:50:52 <Eddi|zuHause3> sushi 22:50:56 <Bjarni> no thanks :) 22:51:16 <Bjarni> I'm not going to eat anything raw that you serve me 22:51:26 <Eddi|zuHause3> there are a lot of types of sushi that are poisonous if you prepare them wrong 22:52:06 <Sacro> hmmm 22:52:11 <Sacro> i know there's public, private 22:52:22 <Sacro> but isn't there one thats public, but only to the local class? 22:52:28 <Bjarni> Sacro: please don't talk about your privates 22:52:58 <Bjarni> Sacro: in C++ that's called protected (if I understand the question correctly) 22:53:19 *** Netsplit cation.oftc.net <-> resistance.oftc.net quits: jthill, mikegrb, CIA-1, a1270, ThePizzaKing, toet, Frostregen, Maarten, DaleStan, Tefad, (+4 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 22:53:24 <Bjarni> yeah 22:53:27 <Eddi|zuHause3> the lag monster finally got them 22:53:31 <Sacro> :o 22:53:32 <Bjarni> we killed the resistance :D 22:53:35 <Sacro> Bjarni: yeah, that's the one 22:53:36 <Bjarni> now I got full power 22:54:36 <Sacro> :o 22:54:38 *** Netsplit over, joins: mikegrb, a1270, toet, Hendikins|MELCBR, ThePizzaKing, Gekz, Maarten, Frostregen, CIA-1, izhirahider (+2 more) 22:54:55 <Sacro> ThePizzaKing: i had to spend another 4 hours on that assignment at uni today :( 22:55:44 <ThePizzaKing> Did you get it done? 22:55:46 *** Tefad [~tefad@c-71-63-10-8.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 22:55:46 *** jthill [~jthill@pool-71-109-75-231.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 22:55:50 <Eddi|zuHause3> linear algebra is so trivial... 22:56:42 <Sacro> ThePizzaKing: yes, i had to use an inversion matrix thingy 22:56:48 <Eddi|zuHause3> my analysis professor once said: "if Gauà knew they called that algorithm after him, he would turn around in his grave" 22:57:05 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F55970.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 22:57:11 <ThePizzaKing> Sacro: Ah, that's the harder way to use matrixes to solve it 22:57:21 *** Tlustoch [~last_evol@r5bn73.net.upc.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:57:27 <Sacro> ThePizzaKing: which is what the "using matrix methods" was impying 22:58:21 <Eddi|zuHause3> Gauà never studied solving linear equation systems... 22:58:28 <ThePizzaKing> though, the other way was still using martices 22:58:38 <Eddi|zuHause3> he just Did The Right Thing (TM) 22:58:44 <Sacro> ThePizzaKing: yes, but not what he covered in lectures 22:58:57 <ThePizzaKing> ah 22:59:27 * Prof_Frink puts Sacro in a narrow corridor with a gauss turret in 23:00:11 <Bjarni> <Eddi|zuHause3> linear algebra is so trivial... <-- I thought so too until I actually had to use it in other courses then it became somewhat harder 23:09:04 *** divo [~divo.afx@0x4dd443c6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:09:53 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Quit: May the ducttape be with you] 23:10:15 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1E288.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Progman] 23:10:58 *** Aerandir [magic.powe@90-230-201-111-no37.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 23:14:46 *** AntB [~AntB-UK@host81-141-195-72.wlms-broadband.com] has joined #openttd 23:14:59 <ln-> is DVB-C used in germany? 23:15:06 <Eddi|zuHause3> yes 23:15:15 <ln-> widely? 23:15:28 <Eddi|zuHause3> but is very slowly developing 23:15:56 <Eddi|zuHause3> mostly, you have to pay extra fees 23:16:14 <ln-> without extra fees you get analog? 23:17:05 <Eddi|zuHause3> you can get DVB-C for the same price as analog, but they leave out some channels 23:17:19 <Eddi|zuHause3> you have to pay extra to get the same channels as on analog 23:17:26 <Eddi|zuHause3> kinda like pay-tv 23:17:41 <Eddi|zuHause3> just that you still get commercial breaks 23:19:12 <ln-> is DVB encrypted or not? 23:19:28 <Eddi|zuHause3> not initially 23:19:38 <ln-> and can you use whatever device you prefer for receiving it? 23:20:10 <Eddi|zuHause3> i am using DVB-S, which whatever device i like to 23:20:44 <Sacro> i should have got a DVB-{T,C,S2} card 23:20:57 <Sacro> but then, I am in the only city in the country where DVB-C is unavailable 23:21:11 <Sacro> however both houses i've lived in have an unused dish next to the window 23:21:14 <ln-> i've been wondering for a long time why is there exactly *one* DVB-C receiver for USB 2.0 available on the European market. 23:21:30 <ln-> which is expensive. 23:21:43 <Eddi|zuHause3> encryption is only for channels that have a regional lock (like ORF (austrian state channel, only austrian citizens can get a key)), or pay-tv channels 23:22:18 <Eddi|zuHause3> just for the cable networks they found a way to charge additional money for the private channels that are usually free-tv (commercial financed) 23:22:40 <Eddi|zuHause3> they tried to push the same through for satellite, but that has not gone very far afaik 23:25:19 <Sacro> a couple of channels over here are ... "encrypted" 23:25:28 <Sacro> but actually, all the do is move the video signal out the way 23:25:29 <ln-> over here the law requires cable-tv operators to transmit those channels for free that are also available terrestrially in the area. 23:25:35 <Sacro> however, with a computer based dvb-t card 23:25:38 <Eddi|zuHause3> well, over satellite, about half of the channels are encrypted 23:25:41 <Sacro> you can just search for the stream 23:25:45 <Sacro> and bingo - free "pron" 23:25:53 <ln-> ... still some companies had all DVB channels encrypted, though maybe not anymore. 23:26:13 <Prof_Frink> Sacro: Only one problem with that. 23:26:17 <Sacro> oh? 23:26:20 <Eddi|zuHause3> ln-: most "private" channels do not send terrestrial here 23:26:21 <Prof_Frink> You need a computer. 23:26:29 <Sacro> i have a computer 23:26:35 <Prof_Frink> So you can have free pron instead. 23:26:50 <Sacro> yes, but porn on tv amuses me 23:27:29 <Eddi|zuHause3> in germany, it is illegal to broadcast porn on tv 23:27:44 <Sacro> really? 23:27:50 <Sacro> i thought all you had on tv was porn 23:28:16 <Sacro> on british tv its illegal to show an erect penis 23:28:19 <Sacro> or a close up of a woman 23:28:26 <Sacro> which kinda makes porn rather boring 23:28:30 <Eddi|zuHause3> only if you saw it with the eyes of the american FCC ;) 23:29:16 <ln-> it's completely legal to send porn -- even hardcore -- on finnish tv, but still that doesn't happen virtually ever. 23:30:15 <Eddi|zuHause3> well, they invented something called "softporn", where you hardly ever see anything... 23:30:40 <Sacro> and when you do see it 23:30:42 <Sacro> it's soft 23:30:57 <Eddi|zuHause3> just gymnastics lessons, with bad music and "oh"s and "ah"s dubbed over them 23:30:57 <ln-> still they bother to send it. 23:31:51 <ln-> and never more than one male and female present at a time. 23:33:35 <Sacro> oh we have lesbian porn 23:33:43 <Sacro> that's not as bad 23:34:44 <Sacro> grrr 23:35:02 <Sacro> why does Visual Stupido insist on converting tabs to 4 spaces 23:35:07 <Sacro> anyone any idea on fixing this? 23:36:14 *** Farden [~jk3farden@AMontsouris-156-1-70-43.w90-24.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )] 23:36:26 <Sacro> and shouldn't you use ++score, rather than score++ ? 23:36:36 <Eddi|zuHause3> goto options -> select "use real tabs" 23:36:56 <ln-> Sacro: http://developer.apple.com/tools/xcode/ 23:37:34 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause3: where abouts/ 23:37:39 <Sacro> ln-: i don't have a mac 23:37:43 <Eddi|zuHause3> Sacro: how should i know? 23:39:28 <ln-> Sacro: pity 23:39:39 <Sacro> ooh 23:39:42 <Sacro> tis under the edit menu 23:42:48 <fjb> I guess I'm playing too much OpenTTD. I just wanted to unpause this channel using F1. :-) 23:45:07 <ln-> fjb: when you go walk out, do you imagine leveling holes in the street, and red text floating up in the air? 23:47:30 <glx> <Sacro> and shouldn't you use ++score, rather than score++ ? <-- they don't do exactly the same 23:48:06 <Sacro> yes i know 23:48:13 <Sacro> isn't one more efficient 23:48:19 <Sacro> which when using C# doesn't exactly mean much 23:48:25 <fjb> ln-: Not yet... 23:48:27 <fjb> :-) 23:49:21 <ln-> i did... once. :) 23:49:51 <ln-> it's not like i was hallucinating, but just thinking that "hmm, i could level that and it would cost some amount... no, wait, no." 23:53:41 <Eddi|zuHause3> <fjb> I guess I'm playing too much OpenTTD. I just wanted to unpause this channel using F1. :-) <- i do that all the time 23:55:09 <fjb> I often try to move the contents of a window with the right mouse button... 23:55:35 <fjb> And I dreamed of counting tiles. 23:58:30 <Sacro> so, ++foo or foo++? 23:59:42 <fjb> Sacro: What are you trying to do? 23:59:52 <Sacro> fjb: just increment a variable