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00:11:25 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-129-19.adslplus.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:12:42 *** lugo [~lugo@p4FD5E7B8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:17:26 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-160-2.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 00:18:02 <TheBlasphemer> Biology exams are easy, just always remember to bring your BINAS :) 00:18:17 <TheBlasphemer> http://www.google.nl/search?q=define:+BINAS 00:18:31 <TheBlasphemer> Yes, you may actually bring that to biology, science, and chemistry exams in dutch high school :D 00:18:58 *** TheBlasphemer [TB@s5593f0f9.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [] 00:20:29 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-160-2.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:20:50 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-160-2.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 00:24:31 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B77A45.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:24:43 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B77A45.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:24:48 <Eddi|zuHause2> sounds a lot like http://www.google.de/search?hl=de&q=define%3A+Tafelwerk 00:25:58 <Eddi|zuHause2> but like my maths teacher once put it: "we may allow you to bring programmable calculators to the exam, but then we have to ask questions that the calculator cannot solve" 00:26:47 <glx> my calculator was full of info 00:26:58 <Gonozal_VIII_> that's standard 00:27:17 <Eddi|zuHause2> we collectively voted against programmable calculators there ;) 00:27:20 <Svish> oh yeah.. I was actually thinking about a statistics signal thingy here the other day 00:27:35 <Gonozal_VIII_> but we had to delete everything on it... 00:28:01 <glx> it had a fake reset 00:28:04 <Svish> the trains shouldnt bother about it at all. all it should do was keep statistics of how many trains pass per day/year/month etc 00:31:17 *** Dark_Link^ [~glidegame@fw.dormnet.his.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:31:34 *** Dark_Link^ [~glidegame@fw.dormnet.his.se] has joined #openttd 00:32:41 *** Jezral is now known as TinoDidriksen 00:46:03 *** KritiK_ [~Maxim@78-106-182-242.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 00:47:14 <Sacro> Gonozal_VIII_: nice rail tracks 00:47:33 <Gonozal_VIII_> not mine, i only changed some pixel 00:47:56 <SmatZ> ValParamRailtype 00:47:58 <SmatZ> oops 00:49:03 <Gonozal_VIII_> oh vector graphics, shiny 00:52:02 *** michi_cc [0aa4717088@dude.icosahedron.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:52:22 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-182-242.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:53:04 *** michi_cc [92d65d2997@dude.icosahedron.de] has joined #openttd 00:53:07 *** mode/#openttd [+v michi_cc] by ChanServ 00:55:15 <Gonozal_VIII_> hmmm my mable trees are hard to see... almost same colour as the grass 00:55:50 <Gonozal_VIII_> maple^^ 01:02:08 *** Svish [~opera@84-20-108-29.no.ventelo.net] has left #openttd [] 01:05:31 <Sacro> "What you do is, inform the workmen digging up the road that a bunch of students dressed as coppers are going to try to stop you digging up the road. Then go round the police station and inform the duty chap that a bunch of students dressed as workmen are going to dig the road up..." 01:07:09 <Gonozal_VIII_> ^^ 01:07:33 <Sacro> actually 01:07:40 <Sacro> the best prank i've read yet 01:07:41 <Gonozal_VIII_> would work, if either of those groups would look like students... 01:07:52 <Sacro> is to drop some jelly into a mates kettle, and then flick it on and leave it 01:07:59 <Sacro> when he comes back in the morning... :D 01:08:58 <Gonozal_VIII_> you could just burn a tyre on his room or something... 01:09:03 <Gonozal_VIII_> -o+i 01:12:26 <Sacro> evil 01:24:49 *** Osai is now known as Guest577 01:24:50 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB785E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:25:54 *** Gonozal_VIII_ [~Gonozal_V@N929P025.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Quit: Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com] 01:30:24 *** Svish [~opera@84-20-108-29.no.ventelo.net] has joined #openttd 01:30:24 *** Jezral [~projectjj@users.kollegienet.dk] has joined 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strong99 [~Rex@145.74.186.184] has joined #openttd 07:45:13 <strong99> ey 07:45:22 <strong99> question: how to enable the tram system? 07:45:30 <strong99> i have the button but its grayed 07:47:23 *** shodan [user@xerxes.foocode.net] has joined #openttd 07:47:39 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-108-75.fttx.bbned.nl] has joined #openttd 07:49:16 <ColDICe> must have a tram set 07:49:28 <ColDICe> go to grfcrawler.tt-forums.net 07:49:36 <ColDICe> and download a tram set from there 07:53:37 *** Tefad [~tefad@c-71-63-30-72.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:55:46 <strong99> :) but why is the button in the beta then? 07:57:51 *** LeviathNL [IceChat7@wlan-145-94-222-161.wlan.tudelft.nl] has joined #openttd 08:02:48 <strong99> thnx works 08:06:59 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-139-031.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:08:14 *** |Bastiaan| [~kvirc@77.60.199.137] has joined #openttd 08:09:22 *** Dark_Link^ [~glidegame@fw.dormnet.his.se] has 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asking - so i get a 'sure' answer :-) 10:13:12 <dihedral> but thanks :-P 10:15:43 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N953P002.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 10:25:24 *** Farden [~jk3farden@AMontsouris-156-1-166-72.w83-202.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 10:26:17 <dihedral> Gonozal_VIII: do you know exactly how cargo is distributed across multiple companies servicing the same indu? 10:28:01 <Gonozal_VIII> i don't know it exactly, no... 10:28:23 <dihedral> :-( 10:28:38 <Gonozal_VIII> but it's based on rating 10:28:52 <dihedral> station rating? 10:29:03 <Gonozal_VIII> yes i think so 10:34:35 *** dihedral [~dihedral@141.72.197.130] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.79 [Firefox 2.0.0.11/2007112718]] 10:44:02 *** LeviathNL_ [IceChat7@145.94.222.161] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:44:37 *** LeviathNL_ [IceChat7@wlan-145-94-222-161.wlan.tudelft.nl] has joined #openttd 10:51:45 *** SmatZ [~Miranda@feldconf.feld.cvut.cz] has joined #openttd 10:51:53 <SmatZ> huh it works ^_^ 11:08:07 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host228-237-dynamic.4-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 11:09:12 <Wolf01> hello 11:10:20 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D2C2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:11:33 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N953P002.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:15:46 *** Tino|R152 [~tino@52N.UNI-MUENSTER.DE] has joined #openttd 11:16:28 *** pavel1269 [~pavel.g@48.140.broadband2.iol.cz] has joined #openttd 11:16:35 <pavel1269> hi 11:18:16 <SmatZ> hello 11:34:27 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 11:41:31 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N854P027.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 11:46:54 <SpComb> Logs: http://spbot.marttila.de:8120/logs/oftc-ottd (old: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd ) 11:46:54 <Gonozal_VIII> !logs 11:48:46 *** BigBB [~BigBB@p5B0434A8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 11:49:03 <Gonozal_VIII> hmmm 11:49:30 <Gonozal_VIII> couldn't find out what you were reffering to with: [11:51:53] SmatZ: huh it works ^_^ 11:53:35 <SmatZ> Gonozal_VIII I was trying to connect from school, from Windows, and using Miranda... and it works! IRC is not blocked, Windows works, Miranda works :-) 11:53:52 <Gonozal_VIII> hehe nice 11:55:53 <Gonozal_VIII> we had lots of stuff blocked in school but we found out that we could write to each other with the "net send" command^^ 11:56:42 <Gonozal_VIII> couldn't access the console but it worked through .bat files 11:58:43 <roboboy> hehe 11:59:00 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Brooklyn's got a URL Rodger Bacon USB Firewire SVG Ebooks Wazniack Flowerpower iMac Phaser laser inkjet what you see aint what you get] 12:01:51 <Gonozal_VIII> we sent some "Critical Error" messages to others who didn't know how that net send stuff works^^ 12:04:33 *** LeviathNL_ [IceChat7@wlan-145-94-222-161.wlan.tudelft.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:04:35 <Gonozal_VIII> hmmm school was fun 12:07:15 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-188-251.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 12:07:34 *** Farden [~jk3farden@AMontsouris-156-1-166-72.w83-202.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:07:35 <SmatZ> :-) 12:07:41 <SmatZ> :-D 12:08:24 <SmatZ> once I sent some messages to all computers ... including teachaer's :-x 12:09:51 <Gonozal_VIII> hehe that's bad 12:10:10 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-21-137.adslplus.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:12:17 <Rubidium> reminds me of jolt.c-ing the one of the admin's PCs 12:12:57 <Rubidium> and making the backup fail due to adding files with Arabic letters in the filenames 12:13:11 <Rubidium> though the last one was not intentional 12:17:25 <Gonozal_VIII> how do you unintentionally use arabic letters? 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14:19:42 <Gonozal_VIII> no 14:19:58 <Draakon> as i wonder can i add multiple patches by applying first one and then select another patch and hit compile button without reverting something? 14:20:36 <glx> you can't 14:21:07 <Draakon> :( 14:21:11 <glx> the only way is to patch outside buildottd 14:21:47 <glx> fix conflicts (if any) and generate the diff containing the patches 14:21:58 <Draakon> but then how can i make multiple patches into one with the use of some program? as i don't know C++ or C# 14:22:35 <glx> your buildottd install contains all needed tools 14:23:23 *** dihedral [~dihedral@dslb-084-057-237-105.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 14:23:25 <glx> it is just a frontend for command line programs 14:23:43 <dihedral> hello :-) 14:23:44 <Draakon> i only see compilers and i don't know how do apply patches with them 14:23:54 <Gonozal_VIII> hi 14:23:56 <Draakon> hello dihedral 14:24:11 <glx> you should have patch.exe somewhere in buildottd install 14:24:43 <Draakon> will look then 14:25:29 <Draakon> found it 14:25:33 <Draakon> do i run it then? 14:25:57 <dihedral> Draakon - i must say i am amazed 14:26:07 <dihedral> but i'll leave it at that for now 14:26:08 <Draakon> Dihedral: of what? 14:26:19 <glx> patch -p0 -i file.(diff|patch) in trunk dir 14:26:59 <glx> you may need to use full path to patch (as windows has a patch.exe too) 14:27:20 <Gonozal_VIII> there are programs that highlight conflicts and let you solve them 14:27:21 <glx> *full path to patch.exe ;) 14:27:24 <dihedral> what 'patch' does win have? 14:27:42 <Gonozal_VIII> i used tortoise merge or something like that 14:27:50 <dihedral> ditto 14:27:55 <Draakon> so for example it will be: patch -p0 -i patchfilename.patch C:\Path\To\Drunk\dir ?? 14:28:02 <Draakon> ah 14:28:06 <Draakon> what the heck 14:28:11 <Draakon> i forgot tortoise SVN 14:28:14 <Draakon> :P 14:28:48 <glx> Draakon: no, you go in your trunk dir, then type full\path\to\patch.exe -p0 -i patchfile.patch 14:29:26 * dihedral does not understand why Draakon tells people on #openttdcoop to 'just' code & compile stuff when he himself seems unfamiliar with the process... 14:29:41 <Gonozal_VIII> hehe 14:29:57 <Draakon> now i have another question :P : how can i compile with BuildOTTD a patched trunk? 14:30:01 <Draakon> erm dihedral 14:30:10 <Draakon> i dint say on #openttdcoop 14:30:19 <Draakon> it was in this channel, #openttd 14:30:46 <dihedral> Draakon: i refuse to go through the logs to prove my point :-) 14:31:13 <glx> once you applied all patches you want, you do svn diff > file.patch and use this patch in buildottd 14:31:23 <Draakon> k 14:31:26 <Draakon> thx 14:31:39 *** BigBB_ [~BigBB@p5B0420A4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 14:32:09 <Draakon> dihedral: i think you have miss understanded me but why would you bring this old discussion up? 14:32:23 <Draakon> if it is in the past, let it be in the past 14:32:58 <dihedral> i was thinking of yesterday :-) (or was it the day before?) 14:33:22 <Draakon> it was yesterday 14:33:32 <Draakon> but lets leave it in the past, ok? 14:33:39 <Gonozal_VIII> all my troubles seemed so far away... 14:33:50 <Draakon> what troubles? :P 14:33:50 <dihedral> hehe:-P 14:35:18 <Draakon> hmm what kind of patches you guys suggest? :p 14:35:30 <Gonozal_VIII> daylength :D 14:37:26 <dihedral> get yourself a copy of chrisin and save yourself the troubble :-P 14:37:39 *** BigBB [~BigBB@p5B0434A8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:37:43 <Belugas> [09:39] <Draakon> what troubles? :P <--- hoo... someone who does not know the Beatles ;) 14:37:45 <Gonozal_VIII> chrisin is broken... 14:38:00 <Draakon> is 4,3billion default OpenTTD's city limit for people? 14:38:05 <dihedral> an earlier version of it may not be 14:38:19 <Draakon> dihedral: chrisin is broken and does not have some patches i want 14:38:31 <Gonozal_VIII> that's 2^32 draakon 14:39:00 <Draakon> 2,32 Billion is the limit? 14:39:06 <Gonozal_VIII> no 14:39:11 <Gonozal_VIII> no negatives 14:39:57 <Draakon> as i was just checking this patch here; http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=35219 and i wonder myself what is the default limit for OpenTTD 14:40:06 <Gonozal_VIII> 4294967295 i think 14:41:04 <Draakon> eh not so much difference from the max limit that patch can offer 14:41:37 <Gonozal_VIII> that is the max limit that the patch can offer as max limit means no limit... 14:41:59 <Gonozal_VIII> he made that patch for smaller towns, not bigger 14:42:44 <Draakon> It's allowing you to setup maximum town population 14:42:47 <Draakon> it means 14:43:06 <Draakon> you can set having like max people of 100 of example only 14:43:11 <Draakon> for all towns 14:43:36 <Gonozal_VIII> yes i know 14:44:55 <Gonozal_VIII> when someone rich get bored and fund lots of new buildings. <-- hmm it doesn't work that way... the effect doesn't stack 14:46:34 <Draakon> about clicking, as far as i have seen, on that fund new buildings about 50 times, a few buildings or 5 only get built and you lost at last 50x300000 Dollars 14:46:43 <Gonozal_VIII> it only extends the area where the roads have sidewalks and bigger buildings can appear 14:47:47 <pavel1269> but not rich ppl will click there jsut simetimes, but rich ppl extend all their citis ... 14:47:58 <pavel1269> *but rich .. 14:48:02 <pavel1269> omg 14:48:03 <pavel1269> :) 14:48:09 <pavel1269> i wrote it right 14:48:24 <Draakon> hmm i think i will make a truck&bus only game at 255x255 map :P 14:48:34 <Gonozal_VIII> but it reverts after some time and the buildings will disappear again 14:48:57 <Gonozal_VIII> try a 64*64 map, that's challenging 14:49:25 <pavel1269> with daylength, it must be much more time ;) and cities with very fast grown so quick on their own 14:49:27 <Draakon> no 64x64 is too easy 14:49:39 <Gonozal_VIII> too easy? 14:49:44 <Draakon> 255x255 is a challanhe 14:49:46 <pavel1269> Draakon: and 512x512 is harder?? 14:49:50 <Draakon> challange* 14:50:00 <Draakon> Gonozal: yes 14:50:04 <Gonozal_VIII> what's easy about 64*64? 14:50:18 <Draakon> its too small and it is a quick game anyway 14:50:20 <Gonozal_VIII> with standard vehicles maybe... 14:50:23 *** Tino|R152 [~tino@52N.UNI-MUENSTER.DE] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 14:51:02 <Gonozal_VIII> with those everything is easy 14:51:03 <Draakon> pavel1269: well if you could manage with trucks&busses only game at 2012x2012, pravo for you 14:51:22 <pavel1269> i tryed with friends just 1024x1024 14:51:23 <Draakon> Gonozal: no i dont use standard vehicles, i use LV4 14:51:40 <pavel1269> around 6K vehicles, its was unplayeable 14:51:45 <pavel1269> for me :) 14:52:01 <Gonozal_VIII> then try a game on 64*64 difficulty hard, start in 1920, only rvs allowed 14:52:03 <Draakon> erm max is 5k 14:52:04 <Draakon> not 6k 14:52:11 <pavel1269> i prefer building complex good looking railwais :) 14:52:19 <Draakon> Gonozal: easy 14:52:20 <pavel1269> 2friends = 3x5K 14:52:25 <Draakon> oh 14:52:26 <Gonozal_VIII> easy? show me 14:52:31 <Draakon> k 14:52:57 <Draakon> lemme just genearate a random map then 14:53:00 <Draakon> generate* 14:53:21 *** Digitalfox_ [~chatzilla@bl8-52-150.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Bye] 14:55:05 <Draakon> generated, now connecting sand pit to glass works 15:01:42 <Draakon> ah its too easy 15:02:14 <Gonozal_VIII> making profit? 15:03:05 <Draakon> yes they too 15:03:18 <Draakon> but i dint save because its too easy 15:03:30 <Gonozal_VIII> hehe 15:03:34 <Draakon> hmm wtf? dam bugs 15:03:39 <Gonozal_VIII> everybody can say that ;-) 15:03:53 <Draakon> say what? 15:03:58 <Draakon> too easy word? 15:04:06 <pavel1269> :) 15:04:18 <pavel1269> i dont know what can be hard on vehicle game ... 15:04:40 <Gonozal_VIII> it's not easy to get more profit than property maintenance/running cost/interest there 15:04:45 <Draakon> dam i seem to have a bug in one specif scenario 15:04:55 <Draakon> Gonozal: it is 15:05:06 <pavel1269> Gonozal_VIII: stil easy :P 15:05:06 <Draakon> its just that you dont think smart 15:05:21 <Gonozal_VIII> then show me 15:05:27 <pavel1269> hehe 15:05:28 <pavel1269> :) 15:05:34 <Draakon> why should i? 15:05:43 <Gonozal_VIII> because you say you can 15:05:43 <pavel1269> atm i am gonna make cool start page ... or try to :/ 15:06:06 <pavel1269> after that, this: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=35149 15:06:13 <Gonozal_VIII> show me how you make profit with some ford t on a 64*64 map 15:06:29 <Draakon> sry no time to spare for that 15:09:15 <Draakon> dam i seem to not have some profit with a specif cargo on a specif map as they dont take no profit mean while with that same specif cargo on other maps work fine 15:09:43 * Draakon is away now anyway 15:09:48 *** Draakon is now known as DraakonAWAY 15:10:11 <Svish> if you are going to have speed limits on roads in towns, you should also be able to build highways outside of towns. 15:10:17 <Svish> now that could be pretty neat :) 15:10:24 <pavel1269> :o) 15:10:36 <Gonozal_VIII> one way roads are kind of highways 15:10:49 <Svish> could maybe make cars more fun to play with and pay more 15:11:14 <pavel1269> oneway in centre - 50, in town - 70 outside - 130, normal in center - 30, town - 50, outside - 90 15:11:15 <Svish> if you could play more with roads like you can with railroads in the game 15:11:42 <Svish> i havent quite understood how to make one-way roads even. 15:11:43 <Svish> hehe 15:11:43 <pavel1269> i hope i will do that :) 15:11:53 <pavel1269> ctrl + click on road? 15:12:01 <pavel1269> with road builder tool 15:12:08 <Svish> hm, have to admit I havent tried much either... :p 15:12:22 <Gonozal_VIII> there's a button in the road toolbox 15:12:27 <Svish> but anyways, main problem with roads I believe is that it cant be built diagonally 15:12:46 <pavel1269> i dont see that as issuel 15:13:35 <Svish> maybe not that big of an issue.. but roads tend to get longer than they have to 15:13:39 <Svish> compared to railroads 15:14:08 <pavel1269> i cant imagine bus goind on diagonal :) 15:15:00 <pavel1269> especialy road 15:15:15 <Svish> hm 15:15:17 <Svish> maybe not.. 15:15:18 <Svish> :p 15:15:19 <Svish> but still 15:15:22 <Svish> would be nice 15:15:33 <Svish> to be able to build roads like you do with railroads 15:15:44 <Svish> roads would have to be oneway only and thinner though 15:15:48 <Svish> or something... 15:15:58 <Svish> but meh... I dont care really :p 15:16:17 <Svish> just would be fun if the trucks and busses was a bit more useful in the game :) 15:16:27 <Svish> trains are kind of the only thing that really works there :p 15:16:33 <pavel1269> air 15:16:39 <pavel1269> boats 15:16:43 <Svish> luckily it is also the most fun part :p 15:16:45 <Svish> well... 15:16:48 <Svish> kind of true 15:16:53 <Svish> but they dont match the trains :p 15:17:06 <pavel1269> air have extremly high income is used right 15:17:08 <Svish> well, plains from town to town are always nice :) 15:17:18 <Svish> how do you use plains right? 15:17:25 <pavel1269> heh :) 15:17:32 <Gonozal_VIII> plane income is way too high 15:17:33 <Svish> send them on long trips? 15:17:58 <pavel1269> and boats can transport like unlimited cargo since more can be at one place atm 15:18:09 <Gonozal_VIII> a plane can make a multiple of its purchase value in a single trip 15:18:16 <pavel1269> yeah 15:19:10 <Svish> true :) 15:19:15 <DraakonAWAY> k im back 15:19:24 *** DraakonAWAY is now known as Draakon 15:19:24 <Svish> btw, how long do you usually play a game? 15:19:34 <Draakon> who? 15:19:38 <Svish> i have played two now since I discovered openttd 15:19:51 <Svish> and i couldnt let go before like... 2070 or 2080 :p 15:19:56 <Gonozal_VIII> until i think i'm ready 15:19:58 <Svish> but the game ended in 2050.. 15:20:17 <Svish> can that be adjusted by the way? or is it just the starting date that is adjustable? 15:20:25 * Draakon finishes game when it is done as plan says and network is efficent 15:20:45 <Svish> yeah, I keep optimizing, hehe 15:20:54 <pavel1269> i usualy dont enjoy game over 2000 ... 1940 is great start :) 15:20:55 <Draakon> Svish: what year are you in? OpenTTD game doesn't ned 15:21:06 <Svish> ned? 15:21:15 <Draakon> end 15:21:20 <Draakon> end* 15:21:48 <Svish> well, 2083 on one and 2076 on the other 15:21:48 <Gonozal_VIII> that little end screen doesn't mean anything 15:22:08 <Draakon> Game end when you want it to end 15:22:10 <Svish> no no. i was just curious :p 15:22:11 <Draakon> ends* 15:24:16 <Draakon> hmm is there a option to have American town names? 15:24:32 <pavel1269> i guess so 15:24:52 <Draakon> where? 15:27:25 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A6EC0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:27:36 <skidd13> Hi folks 15:27:42 <Gonozal_VIII> hi 15:27:46 <pavel1269> ahh, then not :) 15:27:48 <pavel1269> hi 15:28:17 <Draakon> hi 15:30:01 *** nzvip [~svip@192.38.109.188] has joined #openttd 15:37:45 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 15:38:25 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i59F57681.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 15:48:51 *** G_ [~njones@202-154-154-147.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #openttd 15:50:24 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F57681.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 15:50:33 <pavel1269> hmm 15:50:34 <pavel1269> error C2065: 'UINT32_MAX' : undeclared identifier 15:51:06 <Eddi|zuHause3> you did something wrong. 15:51:35 <pavel1269> BuildOTTD didnt have problem with this :) 15:51:36 <Gonozal_VIII> that something like INTEGER_MAX_VALUE ? 15:51:44 *** G [~njones@202-154-154-147.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:54:56 <pavel1269> is UINT32 defined or not? :) 15:55:03 <Eddi|zuHause3> i'd assume missing kernel-headers 15:55:55 <Rubidium> pavel1269: what version of OTTD? 15:56:00 <Gonozal_VIII> i always think of "kernöl" when i read kernel... 15:56:21 <pavel1269> 11658 15:56:28 <Eddi|zuHause3> you're austrian, it's no wonder :p 15:56:28 <pavel1269> but i bet, problem is in my pc 15:57:42 *** G_ [~njones@202-154-154-147.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:01:17 <Gonozal_VIII> and kernel debugger is some guy that sorts insects out of seeds... 16:01:34 *** G [~njones@202-154-154-147.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #openttd 16:02:06 <pavel1269> :) 16:02:08 <Gonozal_VIII> because nobody wants bugs in his oil.. 16:02:25 *** helb [~helb@62.240.176.23] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:02:42 *** helb [~helb@62.240.176.23] has joined #openttd 16:10:05 <Belugas> bug's oil... all the nutrients you need! 16:11:42 *** |Bastiaan| [~kvirc@77.60.199.137] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 3.2.6 Anomalies http://www.kvirc.net/] 16:18:25 <Eddi|zuHause3> the natural fuel of the future! :p 16:21:13 <ln-> is there anything suspicious-looking about these stairs: http://users.utu.fi/lanurm/kuvat/tmp/portaat.jpg 16:21:36 <ln-> entrance is where the old man is standing. 16:21:50 <SpComb> not really 16:22:12 <Draakon> ln: its sexy :p 16:22:29 <Draakon> but still whats suspicious about it? 16:22:46 <ln-> nothing, my point exactly. 16:22:51 <Gonozal_VIII> ? 16:23:39 <SpComb> ah, right 16:24:03 <Gonozal_VIII> so? 16:24:23 <ln-> so, if one chose to climb those non-suspicious stairs (at night, but that's irrelevant), one wouldn't end up in any unexpected place? 16:24:38 <SpComb> hmm, ln flies around in light aircraft 16:24:49 <Draakon> lol yes 16:25:16 <Gonozal_VIII> that seems to be a railway bridge... so i guess you end up in front of the tracks 16:25:35 <ln-> e.g. one wouldn't end up walking 1 meter from the nearest rails on a railway yard? 16:25:35 <Eddi|zuHause3> ln-: is this an attempt to create tension? 16:25:39 <ln-> Eddi|zuHause3: yeah 16:26:28 <SpComb> I noted that the stairs appeared to head up to a bridge with a railroad crossing it, which was a bit weird, but perhaps there was also a footpath there 16:26:32 <ln-> and by continuing the route one wouldn't eventually end up crossing two tracks to reach the nearest platform in Hamburg Hbf? 16:26:35 <SpComb> http://users.utu.fi/lanurm/kuvat/tmp/coin.jpg <-- where's that coin from? :o 16:26:37 <Eddi|zuHause3> as long as the trains don't go 300km/h there ;) 16:27:01 *** RoKK [RoKK@dsl540085CD.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 16:27:16 <Gonozal_VIII> hamburg is strange anyways 16:27:47 <ln-> SpComb: i'd guess it's from deutsches reich, but someone found it either from Poland or eastern germany during a bus trip a few years ago. 16:28:29 *** RoKK [RoKK@dsl540085CD.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [] 16:28:32 *** RoKK [RoKK@dsl540085CD.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 16:28:34 <SpComb> found it where? 16:29:16 <Gonozal_VIII> somewhere? does that matter? i guess there were lots of those coins around back in 1939 16:29:19 <Eddi|zuHause3> how "tmp" is that picture? 16:30:03 <Eddi|zuHause3> i mean, the coin story is way over a year old, iirc 16:30:18 <ln-> Eddi|zuHause3: it's been there for 1,5 years now. 16:31:05 <ln-> SpComb: no idea 16:32:11 <SpComb> Gonozal_VIII: yes, but that was about 70 years ago, and they're now somewhat obscure 16:33:18 <Eddi|zuHause3> SpComb: other people find coins that are way over 2000 years old, why shouldn't one find a coin that is 70 years old? 16:33:50 <Gonozal_VIII> i have some 50 year old coins here 16:34:47 <Eddi|zuHause3> well, coins from 1949 were still circulating until 2002 here 16:35:24 <Eddi|zuHause3> (even though we didn't even have these coins in 1949) 16:35:58 <ln-> i think i've seen a DM from 1948 in circulation. 16:35:59 <Gonozal_VIII> yes, the coins i have are "Groschen" 16:36:19 <Gonozal_VIII> 1 groschen, 2 groschen, 5 groschen :-) 16:36:43 <Draakon> no off topic! 16:37:03 <Gonozal_VIII> everything people talk about here is on topic ;-) 16:37:11 <Eddi|zuHause3> Draakon: no out of context quoting of random phrases 16:37:19 <Draakon> Topic 0.5.3, 0.6.0-beta2 | Website: *.openttd.org (DevBlog: blog, Translator: translator2, Gameservers: servers, Nightly-builds: nightly, NightlyArchive: archive, WIKI: wiki, SVN mailinglist: maillist, Dev-docs: docs, Patches & Bug-reports: bugs) | #openttd.notice for FS + SVN notices | UTF-8 is mandatory | use English | no off topic YouTube links 16:37:39 <Gonozal_VIII> did you see any youtube links? 16:37:40 <Eddi|zuHause3> exactly 16:37:44 <Draakon> you, guys, were talking off topic 16:38:13 <ln-> Draakon: the 3rd reich has always been on-topic here. 16:38:37 <Draakon> no on topic is about OpenTTD 16:38:38 <Eddi|zuHause3> Draakon: TTD does have DM 16:38:55 <Gonozal_VIII> and schilling :-) 16:39:13 <Eddi|zuHause3> and the DBSet has engines from the 3rd Reich 16:39:41 <Eddi|zuHause3> so what exactly is off topic when talking about DM or 3rd Reich? 16:40:07 <Eddi|zuHause3> Gonozal_VIII: in germany, "Groschen" meant the 10 Pf coin 16:40:22 <Draakon> why BuildOTTD says this when im going to compile: The directory name is invalid? 16:40:24 <Gonozal_VIII> really? 16:40:49 <Eddi|zuHause3> (but that seemed to not have survived the euro conversion) 16:40:52 <Gonozal_VIII> because the directory name is invalid? 16:41:42 <glx> space in dirname? 16:42:05 <Draakon> glx: never been problem with that 16:42:29 <glx> for ottd makefiles it is 16:42:41 <ln-> is it true that France is still 1 hour ahead of time because of 3rd reich? 16:42:57 <Draakon> well there is no space in dirname 16:43:08 <glx> we are in german TZ since the "invasion" yes ;) 16:43:51 <Gonozal_VIII> there should be a different time zone in germany and france, yes... 16:44:01 <Eddi|zuHause3> ln-: just that "we" started it, doesn't mean it is "because" 16:44:16 <Eddi|zuHause3> they have enough reasons to not change back, or they would already have 16:44:45 <glx> anyway it's better to be in the same TZ as most European coutries 16:44:47 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-21-137.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 16:44:50 <glx> *countries 16:44:51 <Eddi|zuHause3> spain has the same timezone, too 16:45:04 <Eddi|zuHause3> (but portugal doesn't) 16:45:15 <ln-> (but parts of spain don't have) 16:45:18 <Gonozal_VIII> portugal should already be 2 hours different 16:45:39 <Eddi|zuHause3> iceland uses british time 16:45:48 <Gonozal_VIII> http://projects.front.bc.ca/2005/reverie/about/timezone.jpg 16:45:56 <Gonozal_VIII> they bend the zones around a lot 16:45:59 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has joined #openttd 16:46:20 <Eddi|zuHause3> well, india merged two timezones, and is now x:30 16:46:45 <Gonozal_VIII> which is stupid imho... 16:48:21 <Eddi|zuHause3> in australia, they have a x:00 and a (x+1):30 timezone, and some town on the border has x:45 :p 16:48:36 <Gonozal_VIII> nice^^ 16:49:14 <Eddi|zuHause3> well, x:30 timezones have some sense... you don't have to split your country in the middle 16:49:35 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has joined #openttd 16:49:36 <Gonozal_VIII> you can just use one of them... 16:49:57 <SmatZ> hellllooo 16:50:00 <Eddi|zuHause3> they could probably have done that... but you know how politics work... 16:50:01 <Gonozal_VIII> hi 16:51:43 <Gonozal_VIII> china seems to have the same zone everywhere... 16:52:05 <Eddi|zuHause3> they aren't exactly a democracy :p 16:52:11 <Gonozal_VIII> hehe 16:53:48 <Gonozal_VIII> remove the timezones! use stardate! 16:57:34 *** Draakon [~chatzilla@88-196-105-203-dsl.trt.estpak.ee] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.79 [Firefox 2.0.0.11/2007112718]] 16:57:34 *** G [~njones@202-154-154-147.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:59:20 *** toet [~cheese@3E339CE5.dslaccess.aol.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:00:23 *** remaxim [~remaxim@84.19.173.206] has joined #openttd 17:01:04 <remaxim> hi 17:01:07 <remaxim> ping Belugas 17:02:16 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 17:02:42 *** toet [~cheese@3E339CE5.dslaccess.aol.com] has joined #openttd 17:05:14 <Belugas> pong remaxim 17:05:25 <remaxim> Belugas, could you pm me please? 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Are there plans to support MP3/Ogg Vorbis/Whatever in addition to midi? It would be nice to run the tracks through timidity with a high-quality patchset, or such. 18:37:30 <Prof_Frink> Sacro: It says "Witout having their name prefixed" or similar. 18:37:39 <Sacro> Prof_Frink: D: i know 18:38:54 <Prof_Frink> +++ 18:38:55 <Prof_Frink> Out of cheese error 18:38:56 <Prof_Frink> +++ 18:39:35 <Belugas> kyevan : as far as i remember, the answer is no 18:39:53 <kyevan> Belugas: :( 18:39:59 <Belugas> 'cause the initial tracks are basically midi files ;) 18:40:04 <Belugas> so... 18:40:14 <hylje> in the meantime run stuff in a outside music player 18:40:20 <Belugas> yup :) 18:40:36 <Belugas> they are specifically made for that :) 18:40:59 <Belugas> and OTTD is specifically for vehicle stuff hehe 18:41:16 <Belugas> +made+ 18:41:19 <Belugas> gaaaah 18:41:20 <kyevan> Belugas: "basically"? They are midi files :P 18:41:20 <Sacro> Belugas: orudge has already written the patch 18:41:29 <hylje> oh, owen 18:41:43 <Sacro> hylje: that's what they all say 18:41:55 <orudge> yes 18:41:59 <orudge> I did write such a patch some time ago 18:42:00 <Belugas> [13:46] <kyevan> Belugas: "basically"? They are midi files :P <--- no kidding??? wow!.... I know, thus the "basically" ;) 18:42:08 <orudge> then nobody paid any attention to it whatsoever 18:42:10 <orudge> so it disappeared 18:42:15 <orudge> and is now hideously out of date 18:42:16 <Sacro> hehe 18:42:33 <orudge> it's also based on somewhat of a hack - ideally it would want partially rewriting with a completely new mixer system 18:42:41 <orudge> which I did start on a while ago, but never had the time to finish 18:42:50 <Belugas> and that is the main reason, iirc, that is was refused 18:43:01 <orudge> well 18:43:01 <Belugas> by tron, if memory is not failing me 18:43:04 <orudge> it was never submitted, as such 18:43:08 <orudge> as it wasn't finished 18:43:18 <orudge> but nobody seemed to actually pay much attention to it at all when it was posted on the forums 18:43:30 <orudge> which is a shame, as I did spend quite a long time working on it. :P but it does need some work, anyway 18:43:37 <orudge> quite a bit now, for fairly obvious reasons 18:44:26 * Belugas has some plan to add midi files to the play list. the only thing stopping doing so is readig the tag name of the file 18:44:32 <Belugas> oh... and of course time.. 18:46:37 <orudge> my playlist code worked welle nough 18:46:39 <orudge> *well enough 18:46:48 <orudge> if I ever get time, I may go and try to tidy some of it up 18:46:49 <orudge> but, eh 18:46:57 <orudge> that'll depend on people actually making some use of it when it's done :P 18:46:59 *** Sogard [~Sogard@ip68-3-105-74.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- IRC for those that like to be different] 18:53:42 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:02:32 *** Aerandir [magic.powe@90-230-201-111-no37.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Quit: - nbs-irc 2.36 - www.nbs-irc.net -] 19:04:26 *** Zuu [Zuu__@c-274de055.510-8-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 19:05:26 *** Aerandir [magic.powe@90-230-201-111-no37.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 19:11:47 *** Zuu [Zuu__@c-274de055.510-8-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:11:47 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N854P027.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:12:00 *** Zuu [Zuu__@c-274de055.510-8-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 19:12:42 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N793P025.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 19:17:38 *** dihedral [~dihedral@dslb-084-057-237-105.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 19:19:27 <Gonozal_VIII> hmm i want to help to make the game better... but i don't know how and what^^ 19:19:59 <SpComb> provide motivation for the devs 19:20:02 <Rubidium> Gonozal_VIII: fix the bugs that are on bugs.openttd.org ;) 19:20:08 *** raimar3 [~hawk@p5489B6D2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:20:08 <Gonozal_VIII> yay devs, you rock^^ 19:20:19 <SpComb> no, not like that, more beer 19:20:24 <Gonozal_VIII> hehe 19:20:38 <Prof_Frink> SpComb: That doesn't work either 19:20:46 <Prof_Frink> It has to be more futurebeer 19:20:51 *** remaxim [~remaxim@84.19.173.206] has left #openttd [] 19:21:31 <dihedral> i am playing 0.6.0-beta2 with Thraxian 19:21:33 <dihedral> coop 19:21:42 <dihedral> when he sets a password - i cannot join with it 19:21:45 <dihedral> and vise versa 19:21:59 <Belugas> well... personnaly, i don't rock... Or I Heavy Metal, or i'm spacial-oriented-middle-eastern-stuff 19:22:01 <Prof_Frink> Else the devs will try coding while hungover and we'll end up with a new AI that's as bad as the old one 19:22:28 <Belugas> no no no no... you'll end up with NoAI :D 19:22:28 <Rubidium> dihedral: how do you 'set' the password? Do you click the button or press enter? 19:22:33 <dihedral> he uses 19:22:36 <dihedral> yes 19:22:44 <dihedral> on sec 19:23:15 <dihedral> company_pw "password" 19:23:18 <dihedral> is what he used 19:23:51 <Rubidium> have you tried it without the quotes? 19:24:10 <dihedral> will do 19:25:03 <Prof_Frink> Belugas: http://nylon.net/ttd/bible/bible.htm 19:25:29 <Gonozal_VIII> those flyspray bugs don't look like i can fix them... 19:25:45 <dihedral> Rubidium: does not work without quotes either 19:27:08 <Rubidium> and when he sets it using the GUI? 19:27:35 *** Thraxian [~Thraxian@cpe-069-134-158-060.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 19:28:43 <dihedral> no go 19:32:13 <dihedral> Rubidium: we tried numbers hitting return, clicking ok, cmd command with or without quotes... 19:32:23 <dihedral> do you feel like trying it yourself? :-P 19:34:30 <Rubidium> well, I did try it myself and it worked for me, so there's something 'fishy' about your environment(s) 19:35:41 <Thraxian> dih is running MacOS using a british international setting, and I'm using Windows with a US English setting. do you think these factors might make a difference? 19:36:11 <dihedral> Rubidium: there is not a problem when i set the password myself and try to join:-) 19:36:20 <Thraxian> I was thinking maybe it was a difference in character sets (double-byte, unicode, ansi, etc) 19:36:34 <dihedral> and i was more asking if you wanted to join the server we are on :-) 19:36:56 <Thraxian> we're trying numbers because those "should" be universal across character sets, if I remember correctly 19:37:22 <Gonozal_VIII> i could try, that could be something helpful :D 19:37:24 <Thraxian> by the way, thanks for entertaining these questions. we do appreciate your time :) 19:40:37 <Rubidium> hmm... Endianness issues maybe? 19:40:52 <dihedral> well - would you mind trying Rubidium ? 19:41:19 <Thraxian> unsure. I'm not extremely familiar with character set differences. What we do know is that if we set the pw, we can login. If the other one sets it, we can't. 19:41:42 <Thraxian> we also know that there are differences between the OS and language settings we are both using 19:42:13 <Rubidium> okay, for each client: set the password to something 'simple' like 1, then compare the output to the in-game console 19:42:40 <Rubidium> they should be the same, if they are not and dihedral has a PPC, then we have an endianness issue 19:43:07 <Thraxian> every time I set the pw, I check the console, and it appears exactly the way I typed it. would it appear on the console for all players in the company when one player changes it? 19:43:13 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A47061.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 19:43:19 <Thraxian> or only for the player who changed it? 19:44:15 <Rubidium> exactly the way as you typed it? 19:44:32 <Thraxian> I see this: 19:44:32 <Thraxian> 'company_pw' changed to: 1 19:45:07 <Thraxian> I used the Password button on the company screen, typed the value, and pressed the OK button 19:46:08 <Rubidium> and dihedral plays in the server? 19:46:22 <dihedral> nono - dedicated server 19:46:23 <Rubidium> hmm, no he does not 19:46:49 <pavel1269> why when i compile in MSVS ... error C2065: 'UINT32_MAX' : undeclared identifier, and when i compile in BuildOTTD its okay? :( 19:46:58 <dihedral> i shall set the 'server_pw' and watch the servers console at the same time :-) 19:47:19 <Rubidium> console_cmds.cpp: copy line of 1354 to between 1351 and 1352, recompile and try again 19:47:51 <dihedral> i am guessing that was for pavel? 19:48:17 <Belugas> not at all 19:48:21 <Rubidium> dihedral: no, that's for you two 19:48:28 <Belugas> problem of pavel1269 is mostly a config one 19:48:30 <dihedral> ok 19:48:41 <Rubidium> pavel1269: that can't be clean trunk 19:48:59 <pavel1269> Rubidium: you are right, clear trunk dont use that value anywhere 19:49:40 <Rubidium> you have to flame either Microsoft for not supplying that constant, or the patch author for not 'working around' that issue 19:49:54 * pavel1269 is author :/ 19:50:01 <Gonozal_VIII> dih Transport should have pw 1? says wrong pw 19:50:05 <Rubidium> lol ;) 19:50:16 <Rubidium> MAX_VALUE(uint32) works probably as good as you want 19:50:20 <pavel1269> so, i must define that by myself? 19:50:34 <pavel1269> hmm 19:50:37 <pavel1269> lets try :P 19:50:43 <Thraxian> gonozal, try again now 19:51:03 <Thraxian> dih, your turn to try 19:51:04 <Gonozal_VIII> worked now 19:51:49 <dihedral> what system are you using Gonozal_VIII 19:51:57 <Gonozal_VIII> wrong password 19:52:06 <Thraxian> try again now 19:52:10 <Thraxian> I've set it this time 19:52:30 <Gonozal_VIII> works 19:52:38 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r11661 /trunk/src/ (20 files in 3 dirs): -Codechange: some header reworks in order to try to reduce the compile time of OpenTTD by reduce the amount of circular-ish dependencies. 19:52:39 <Thraxian> what OS and language are you using? 19:53:05 <Gonozal_VIII> xp and english os, german keyboard 19:53:58 <pavel1269> Rubidium: 19:53:58 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N793P025.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:53:59 <pavel1269> ..\src\settings.cpp(1462) : error C2275: 'uint32' : illegal use of this type as an expression 19:53:59 <pavel1269> d:\games\openttd\nb\src\stdafx.h(278) : see declaration of 'uint32' 19:53:59 <pavel1269> ..\src\settings.cpp(1462) : error C3861: 'MAX_VALUE': identifier not found 19:54:00 <dihedral> what cpu? 19:54:55 <Rubidium> pavel1269: oh, it's called MAX_UVALUE 19:55:01 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N793P025.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 19:55:33 <dihedral> Gonozal_VIII: what cpu do you have 19:55:47 <Gonozal_VIII> sempron 3400+ 19:55:56 <pavel1269> Rubidium: thank you very much :) 19:56:08 <Gonozal_VIII> mobile... 20:01:39 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a46c2b.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 20:01:40 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 20:02:58 *** Mattrat [Mattrat@1Cust6776.an3.det15.da.uu.net] has joined #openttd 20:03:11 <Gonozal_VIII> bjarni is here! 20:03:19 <dihedral> Rubidium: you seem to have been right :-) enianess issue :-P 20:03:24 <dihedral> merry x-mas :-D 20:03:32 <Bjarni> ... 20:03:37 <Bjarni> is it already that time again? 20:03:44 * dihedral waves happily at Bjarni 20:03:52 <dihedral> for an enianess issue? 20:03:52 <Rubidium> dihedral: is it fixed with my change? 20:03:53 <Gonozal_VIII> i don't get that x thing... 20:03:56 <Bjarni> greetings people 20:04:04 <dihedral> Rubidium: not tried that yet 20:04:15 <dihedral> but had Gonozal_VIII join 20:04:17 <Rubidium> you set the password on the server? 20:04:25 <dihedral> not yet 20:04:28 <dihedral> was on the phone 20:04:30 <dihedral> i will now 20:04:43 <Rubidium> hmm, then what did you do to conclude it is an endianness issue? 20:05:20 <Gonozal_VIII> i can't join when dihedral sets the pw but i can when Thraxian does 20:05:27 <dihedral> when i set it Gonozal_VIII could not join - when Thraxian set it, he could 20:05:29 <dihedral> :-) 20:05:32 <pavel1269> :) 20:05:40 <dihedral> Gonozal_VIII: you beat me to it 20:05:45 <Rubidium> and Thraxian has changed the stuff I proposed, or hasn't he yet? 20:06:02 <dihedral> which 'stuff' 20:06:12 <Rubidium> copying a line of console_cmds.cpp 20:06:13 <Thraxian> I don't have server access. changes will need to be done by dih 20:06:29 <Rubidium> oh... it's a change that you have to do locally 20:06:44 <Thraxian> oh. I don't have the source. I'm using the 0.60 beta 2 build 20:06:52 <dihedral> oh 20:06:55 <dihedral> client side... 20:06:57 <dihedral> ok 20:07:04 <dihedral> i can do that 20:07:04 <Rubidium> oh... never mind 20:07:24 <Rubidium> the moving won't help 20:07:39 <dihedral> why not? 20:08:07 <dihedral> anybody know out of the back of their head which rev 0.6.0-beta2 is? 20:08:21 <Rubidium> tags/0.6.0-beta2 20:08:46 <dihedral> that would be a checkout not an update :-P 20:08:47 <glx> based on r11611 20:08:52 <dihedral> but yeah - i'll go for it 20:09:02 <dihedral> thanks glx 20:09:05 <Rubidium> glx: but it is NOT r11611 20:09:09 <glx> but contains some modifications 20:09:13 <dihedral> oh 20:09:14 <dihedral> k 20:09:20 <Rubidium> svn switch tags/0.6.0-beta2 20:09:20 <dihedral> i'll get the tag :-) 20:09:57 * dihedral is checkingout 20:10:34 <Gonozal_VIII> try something that's the same in both endians :D 20:11:04 <Thraxian> like 333? 20:11:04 <Sacro> hello again Bjarni 20:11:16 <dihedral> 0 20:11:24 <dihedral> but then - it's sending strings... 20:11:27 <dihedral> not int's 20:11:47 <Thraxian> "3" = 0x33 = 00110011 20:11:48 <Sacro> dihedral: ints 20:12:03 <dihedral> yes 20:12:05 <dihedral> :-P 20:12:05 *** MDGrein [~MDGrein@c-e43472d5.02-56-736b7610.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [] 20:15:42 <Gonozal_VIII> + /* Swap the data so that the byte stream will */ 20:15:43 <Gonozal_VIII> + /* be written the same in little and big endian systems */ 20:15:43 <Gonozal_VIII> + Value32 = MM_SWAP_BE32(*pData); 20:15:45 <Gonozal_VIII> i found that 20:15:53 <Gonozal_VIII> helping? 20:16:26 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A47B0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:18:27 <pavel1269> wow, i broke it as much as i could :O 20:18:31 <Gonozal_VIII> i guess not 20:18:42 <Gonozal_VIII> +#define MM_SWAP_BE32(x) cpu_to_be32(x) 20:19:00 <Gonozal_VIII> there's also that and i can't find cpu_to_be32 20:20:26 <Rubidium> Gonozal_VIII: it's something totally different 20:20:34 *** Wolf01 is now known as Wolf01|AWAY 20:20:39 <Gonozal_VIII> ok :-) 20:20:53 <Rubidium> somewhere the 'seeding' of the password string does not go as it should 20:21:00 *** Mattrat [Mattrat@1Cust6776.an3.det15.da.uu.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:21:06 <Rubidium> dihedral: you have a PPC, right? 20:21:14 <dihedral> yep 20:21:52 * dihedral is compiling the 'stuff' Rubidium pointed out :-P 20:22:09 <pavel1269> my ottd now can use only 7languages :O and with one its crying "The current font misses characters used in the strings for this language. Read the readme to see how to solve this" ... nothing in readme about this :P 20:23:03 *** |Bastiaan| [~kvirc@ip87-205-173-82.adsl2.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 20:23:10 <Rubidium> dihedral: as I said before, that will not work 20:23:14 <Rubidium> it will even make it worse 20:23:26 <dihedral> oh 20:23:29 <Gonozal_VIII> you need more than 7 languages? 20:23:29 <dihedral> ok 20:23:47 <pavel1269> Gonozal_VIII: well its broken :) 20:23:47 * dihedral canceld the make process 20:23:51 <Rubidium> pavel1269: line 270 20:25:37 <pavel1269> Rubidium: i havve what that language need ... (unifont.grf) and no "?" there ... 20:26:14 <Rubidium> unifont.grf is either not loaded at that time (not in the main window), or it does not contain one character or so 20:26:49 <pavel1269> static-newrgf 20:27:05 *** McHawk [~hawk@p5489B6D2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:29:18 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-177-43.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 20:29:42 <Rubidium> pavel1269: make a bug report about it; it's just an annoying warning and it is not trivial to fix 20:30:46 <Rubidium> dihedral: I think the problem is line 58 of network_client.cpp, can you check for me whether that's true or not? 20:32:28 <dihedral> one sec 20:37:15 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl8-52-150.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 20:38:30 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r11663 /trunk/src/ (18 files): -Codechange: moving of the road related types and functions. 20:38:54 <dihedral> Rubidium: what do you suggest i change in that file to try it? 20:39:04 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 20:39:49 <Rubidium> good question 20:39:56 *** JulMark [~me@1-1-1-19b.o.sth.bostream.se] has joined #openttd 20:39:57 <dihedral> now if there was an endianess issue already in _password_game_seed 20:40:02 <dihedral> then i could understand it :-D 20:40:44 <SmatZ> pavel1269: the check goes through all strings in the language, and if it finds some it cannot print, then it prints this warning 20:41:41 <dihedral> sorry - was thinking a different seed there 20:42:36 <dihedral> Rubidium: i guess i could start of with debug outputs on _password_server_unique_id 20:44:05 <Rubidium> the seed should be the same and not influenced by endianness 20:44:32 *** markmc [~me@1-1-1-19b.o.sth.bostream.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:44:32 *** JulMark is now known as markmc 20:50:03 <Gonozal_VIII> what's a dropper? 20:50:19 <Gonozal_VIII> C:\voxel\plug_hva.dll EnthÀlt Erkennungsmuster des Droppers DR/Delphi.Gen 20:55:33 <pavel1269> good night 20:55:43 <Gonozal_VIII> night 20:55:59 *** pavel1269 [~pavel.g@48.140.broadband2.iol.cz] has quit [] 20:57:43 * Bjarni is disappointed in this channel 20:58:01 <Bjarni> I have been away for ages and nobody wonders about it 20:58:02 <Gonozal_VIII> :-( 20:58:35 <dihedral> Bjarni: i would have wondered but i have not exactly been around either... 20:58:38 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r11664 /trunk/src/ (11 files): -Codechange: use more specific ("rail_type.h" instead of "rail.h" that includes way more than only "rail_type.h") includes at some places. 20:59:11 <Bjarni> dihedral: oh that sounds like an argument I can accept... did you do anything interesting? 20:59:16 <Gonozal_VIII> [21:03:10] Gonozal_VIII: bjarni is here! <-- see 20:59:45 <Bjarni> I saw that but.... you say that every time I log on 20:59:48 <dihedral> Bjarni: well - i was in sweden for a week and had exams at school the week after (last week) 20:59:54 <Gonozal_VIII> noooo that was the first time 20:59:56 <Bjarni> I mean nothing special happened this time 21:00:09 <ln-> and i was in germany friday-monday. 21:00:16 <Bjarni> Gonozal_VIII: you greet me all the time 21:00:30 <Gonozal_VIII> but not that way... 21:01:07 <Gonozal_VIII> so.. where have you been? driving trains? 21:01:13 <Bjarni> no 21:01:25 <Bjarni> it was something way better :D 21:01:30 <ln-> driving girls? 21:01:34 <Bjarni> involving girls 21:01:34 <Gonozal_VIII> ^^ 21:02:08 <Gonozal_VIII> driving trains with hot girls in bikinis shoveling the coal? 21:02:09 <ln-> you've been to a striptease bar? 21:04:48 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-193-46-fixip.tiscali.ch] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 21:06:15 *** Frostregen_ [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-164-244.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 21:09:03 <Bjarni> you are way off 21:09:11 <Bjarni> http://tinyurl.com/2fe3pz <-- I saw this and got inspired :D 21:11:19 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-188-251.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:11:24 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 21:13:00 <Bjarni> no replies... 21:13:06 <Bjarni> you are all too busy watching :P 21:13:35 <SmatZ> yes :) 21:14:21 <Belugas> pffff... 21:15:43 * Bjarni adds this to his list "ways to kill a channel" 21:16:11 * Belugas knows better ways to be "inspired" ;) 21:17:06 <Bjarni> well.... I found this more or less at random and then I figured that it would be way more fun to say this rather than the actual truth 21:17:14 <Bjarni> and the truth is that I had to hand in a report today 21:17:35 <SmatZ> report? 21:18:14 * Bjarni doesn't even own any anime pillow or anything 21:18:21 <Bjarni> yeah 21:18:26 <Bjarni> about my robot 21:19:06 <Prof_Frink> Bjarni: Apparently, some people think the Japanese aren't weird. 21:19:24 <Bjarni> the Japanese as a people aren't weird 21:19:33 <Bjarni> but some individuals are 21:19:50 <Bjarni> you can say the same about the British 21:20:51 <Bjarni> we had a test run of 3 robots today... they were supposed to be able to avoid hitting anything when going from A to B 21:20:54 <Prof_Frink> We're not weird. 21:20:58 <Prof_Frink> We're eccentric. 21:21:11 <Bjarni> mine was the only one that didn't touch any of the boxes 21:21:31 <Prof_Frink> Is that because it incinerated the boxes with its laser? 21:21:58 <Bjarni> it used infrared light, not laser 21:22:04 <Bjarni> but the other guys did the same 21:22:15 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N793P025.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Quit: Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com] 21:22:19 <Bjarni> we had the same hardware and we wrote our own software to run on it 21:23:52 <glx> <@Bjarni> http://tinyurl.com/2fe3pz <-- I saw this and got inspired :D <-- I know only of these characters (Louise Leblanc de la Valiere, in Zero no tsukaima) 21:25:14 <glx> *only one 21:25:58 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: belugas * r11665 /trunk/src/newgrf.cpp: 21:25:58 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Fix: Animation informations should not be copied from original industry tile spec, while doing an action 00, industry tile, prop 08. 21:25:58 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: Fix directly inspired by Csaboka 21:26:44 <Bjarni> err 21:26:56 <Bjarni> are you indicating that I was supposed to know any of them? :) 21:27:09 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N793P025.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 21:27:14 <glx> no I'm not :) 21:27:26 <Gonozal_VIII> yes you are! 21:27:28 <Gonozal_VIII> what? 21:28:50 <Gonozal_VIII> ah 21:29:52 <Gonozal_VIII> so your robot was the best? yay 21:30:34 <Prof_Frink> Pff, no robot is "the best" until it has a laser. 21:30:43 <Gonozal_VIII> hehe 21:31:05 <Prof_Frink> Missiles and gatling guns are also acceptable. 21:31:11 * Belugas thinks Bjarni copied the collision stuff of OTTD 21:31:35 <glx> so it can't collide itself? 21:31:37 <Gonozal_VIII> <@Bjarni> it used infrared light, not laser <-- doesn't exclude each other 21:32:14 <Gonozal_VIII> it was no articulated bot 21:32:54 <Prof_Frink> glx: Maybe it was the ship collision code 21:33:02 <Prof_Frink> Can't collide with anything. 21:33:20 <Gonozal_VIII> planes are even better 21:33:37 <Gonozal_VIII> but then the bot would explode at random 21:33:38 <Prof_Frink> Gonozal_VIII: Until they have landing fail. 21:34:43 <Prof_Frink> But stil, a good robot should not have to worry about collisions. 21:34:53 <Prof_Frink> It should outgun anything it's likely to meet. 21:35:01 <Gonozal_VIII> :D 21:35:55 <Bjarni> actually the funny part is that I coded a dumb robot (on purpose). It had no memory of the past and just tried to get from A to B. If it found something that was in the way then it followed it (kept a certain distance to it) until the original heading was restored. 21:36:23 <Bjarni> so the robot didn't know shit about anything and didn't presume anything 21:36:44 <Gonozal_VIII> hmm that would have gone wrong with a less direct way 21:36:58 <Gonozal_VIII> could end up circling around 21:37:04 <Bjarni> so not only did it avoid all boxes, it could also handle non-square boxes (as the only one... the others assumed boxes to be square) 21:37:06 *** Rubidium [~rubidium@rbijker.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:37:55 *** Rubidium [~rubidium@rbijker.net] has joined #openttd 21:37:58 <Bjarni> <Gonozal_VIII> could end up circling around <--- I know it could not make a U turn... it's a design limitation.... or an "out of time" limitation 21:38:13 <Bjarni> I think all of us could have used more time 21:40:45 <dihedral> g'night ladies 21:40:53 <Bjarni> ladies? 21:40:56 <dihedral> Bjarni: nice to see you back :-P 21:40:59 <Bjarni> are there any ladies in here? 21:41:31 <Gonozal_VIII> he knows that there are none but keeps saying that... very desperate... 21:41:38 <Gonozal_VIII> ^^ 21:41:39 <dihedral> lol 21:41:59 <Bjarni> maybe he is the guy who made that homepage I linked to before 21:42:09 <Gonozal_VIII> hehe 21:42:18 <Bjarni> or maybe he isn't THAT desperate 21:42:42 <dihedral> no - i dont like that kind of 'moking' on the bible 21:42:55 <Bjarni> ? 21:42:57 <Gonozal_VIII> bible? 21:43:09 <dihedral> http://nylon.net/ttd/bible/bible.htm 21:43:12 <dihedral> who posted that then 21:43:17 <dihedral> that was the last url i saw in here 21:43:19 <dihedral> :-P 21:43:57 <Gonozal_VIII> hehe nice 21:44:22 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A47B0.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people. - Eleanor Roosevelt] 21:44:36 <Bjarni> that's not what I posted 21:44:56 <Bjarni> <Bjarni> http://tinyurl.com/2fe3pz <-- I meant you could be behind this one 21:45:43 <Prof_Frink> dihedral: 'twas I! 21:45:54 <dihedral> heh - no chance Bjarni 21:46:23 <Bjarni> I still don't know if it's a joke or a really sad thing 21:46:51 <Bjarni> well.. the guy who wrote it wrote it as a joke... but I mean the guy(s) taking the pictures 21:47:08 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB5A32.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:48:44 <Bjarni> so now I have to figure out who of you took those pictures 21:50:13 *** dihedral [~dihedral@dslb-084-057-237-105.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:51:03 <Bjarni> hmm 21:51:09 <Bjarni> maybe Osai did 21:51:21 * Bjarni starts to stalk Osai to be sure 21:51:46 <Osai> which pictures? oO 21:51:51 <Gonozal_VIII> stalking people is always a good idea 21:54:16 <Bjarni> Osai: the pictures we just talked about 21:54:42 <Bjarni> involving pretty girls 21:55:07 <Osai> I came home from work a couple of minutes ago, I don't know any of the pictures you talk about neither the links to them 21:55:31 <Bjarni> http://tinyurl.com/2fe3pz 21:55:34 <Bjarni> those 21:55:43 <Gonozal_VIII> ha! we knew that you would say that 21:55:43 <Bjarni> I bet you are behind all of this 21:56:45 <Bjarni> well... that should keep him busy for a while 21:56:57 <Bjarni> if it's his work then he will wonder how we figured it out 21:57:15 <Bjarni> if it's not then he will be too busy... doing something else 21:57:32 <Bjarni> like figuring out how to do it himself 21:58:11 <Osai> guys taking those pictures are weird 21:59:03 <Bjarni> hehe 21:59:04 <Bjarni> yeah 21:59:36 <Bjarni> I came across this while looking at something that's a bit more serious and then I just had to share it 21:59:55 <Bjarni> how..... would people even get this idea.... 21:59:59 <Bjarni> I have no idea 22:00:21 <Osai> did you read his profile? 22:01:36 *** MDGrein [~MDGrein@c-e43472d5.02-56-736b7610.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 22:01:52 <Bjarni> no 22:02:21 <Osai> http://www.dannychoo.com/profile/eng/ 22:02:31 <Osai> this guy is famous oO 22:03:17 <Bjarni> O_o 22:03:21 <Gonozal_VIII> "culture" <-- that's culture? 22:03:48 <Bjarni> in Japan... that's anime 22:03:53 <Bjarni> and manga 22:04:01 <Bjarni> that's their greatest cultural export 22:05:34 <Bjarni> My spoken languages are English, Japanese, Mandarin, Cantonese, Korean and my written languages are PHP, MYSQL, JavaScript and CSS. <-- he can't write English? 22:05:35 <Gonozal_VIII> not kamikaze pilots? 22:06:20 <Bjarni> I don't think they export their kamikaze pilots 22:06:25 <Bjarni> it would upset the Gods 22:06:30 <SpComb> Bjarni: yes, he names all of his variables with hungarian prefixes and serial numbers 22:07:01 <Gonozal_VIII> the did air-mail them... 22:07:15 <Gonozal_VIII> they 22:07:32 <Bjarni> I don't think that counts as export 22:07:43 <Bjarni> you see... USA didn't import them 22:08:32 <Prof_Frink> Bjarni: They were going to, but they got damaged in transit. 22:08:38 <Gonozal_VIII> hehehe 22:10:08 <Bjarni> btw they reused the word kamikaze... Originally it was their defence against the Mongols 700 years ago 22:10:35 <Bjarni> aka a typhoon that wrecked all the Mongolian ships when they tried to sail for Japan 22:11:01 <Bjarni> hence the name (meaning godly wind) 22:12:09 <Bjarni> lol... looking in a dictionary can be interesting sometimes 22:12:10 <Bjarni> kamikazetakushii 22:12:18 <Bjarni> (n) (col) kamikaze taxi (1960s term for taxis that fail to heed traffic regulations) 22:12:29 <Gonozal_VIII> hehe 22:12:29 <Bjarni> not one I would use 22:13:00 <Prof_Frink> Bjarni: That term should e reintroduced for Mickey Schu. 22:13:12 <Bjarni> who? 22:13:57 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.broadband.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: mikl] 22:14:27 <Bjarni> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DqNxrK-hkHA <-- I think they refer to taxis like this 22:14:36 <Gonozal_VIII> http://www.derapate.it/img/schumacher-michael3.jpg <-- that guy 22:14:45 <Bjarni> ahh 22:14:46 <Bjarni> right 22:14:47 <Prof_Frink> Bjarni: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/7139910.stm 22:15:47 <Bjarni> heh 22:15:50 <Bjarni> missed that story 22:16:38 <Bjarni> btw the youtube link... the first minute is a waste unless you understand what they say 22:16:52 <Bjarni> but like 2 minutes into it... then stuff happens 22:19:14 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-108-75.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [Quit: It's that time of the year again. Time to listen to metal, yell at every idiot trying to push Wham on you and being grumpy for a month.] 22:24:18 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has joined #openttd 22:32:28 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N793P025.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:33:08 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N793P025.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 22:35:00 <Gonozal_VIII> there's another guy connected to my router... seems to be downloading heavily again, that disconnects me from irc... is there a way to reserve some kb? 22:36:44 <Bjarni> that depends on the router 22:36:46 <Gonozal_VIII> well, i could just reset the connection, his peer connections are gone and it takes a while until his download is fast again... 22:36:58 <Sacro> heh 22:36:58 <Bjarni> heh 22:37:04 <Sacro> RST! 22:37:07 <Bjarni> ... 22:37:12 <Bjarni> crap 22:37:19 <Bjarni> I'm turning into Sacro 22:37:23 <Sacro> :D 22:38:11 <Gonozal_VIII> i didn't find anything in the router configuration, i thought there could possibly be some software that does that? 22:38:28 <Bjarni> Gonozal_VIII: if you router supports any type of QoS then you can beat this guy to the bandwidth 22:38:48 <Gonozal_VIII> qos means? 22:38:55 <Bjarni> Quality of Service 22:39:01 <Sacro> mine has MBM 22:39:43 <Bjarni> basically you place it at a location where the bandwidth decreases (like when going from LAN to an ADSL line) and then it makes priorities in the packages it uploads instead of fifo 22:39:52 <Bjarni> so you can say all packages can overtake the download 22:40:09 <Bjarni> or OTTD can overtake everything 22:40:13 <Gonozal_VIII> hmmm that would be nice 22:40:42 <Gonozal_VIII> yes ottd... i can't even think about playing when the connection is like that 22:40:59 <Bjarni> it's heavily used for VoIP phones to ensure that they always get enough bandwidth 22:41:55 <Bjarni> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quality_of_service 22:42:43 <Bjarni> I have it in my router but after my bandwidth was upgraded I have no need for it anymore 22:43:16 <Prof_Frink> Gonozal_VIII: Run ettercap, then dick about with his connection as you please. 22:43:33 <Bjarni> ettercap? 22:43:34 <Gonozal_VIII> ettercap? 22:43:49 <Bjarni> Gonozal_VIII: you lag a whole sec 22:44:07 <Bjarni> I can see you have connection bandwidth issues 22:44:09 <Prof_Frink> ettercap. 22:44:18 <glx> I can't manage this part but my router does that too (VoIP has reseverd bandwith, and TV has priority over internet) 22:45:01 <Prof_Frink> A touch of poisoned ARP and you're a transparent proxy for everything on the network. 22:45:18 <Gonozal_VIII> again i can't find anything in the router configuration 22:45:39 <Bjarni> Gonozal_VIII: do you know who is downloading? 22:45:43 <Prof_Frink> A moment spent enabling some scripts and plugins and any user/pass combos get logged to a file 22:45:49 <Gonozal_VIII> sure 22:46:08 <Bjarni> then tell that guy to set a bandwidth cap on his p2p app 22:46:09 <Prof_Frink> Another minute spend on iptables and you can sniff SSL 22:46:22 <Bjarni> or do as Prof_Frink says 22:46:39 <Gonozal_VIII> but that would require to stand up and walk upstairs... 22:46:46 <Bjarni> good point 22:46:48 <Bjarni> call him 22:46:58 <Gonozal_VIII> don't have his number 22:47:06 <Bjarni> send a mail then 22:47:08 <Prof_Frink> Gonozal_VIII: Wired or wireless? 22:47:14 <Gonozal_VIII> wired 22:47:17 <glx> unplug :) 22:47:18 <Prof_Frink> Unplug him. 22:47:20 <Gonozal_VIII> hehe pull the wire^^ 22:47:32 <Gonozal_VIII> but that would be eeeeevil 22:47:34 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:48:19 <glx> but he will go to you and you'll ask him to limit bandwitdth usage ;) 22:48:47 <Bjarni> I knew a guy who rented out a room and his tenant kept using p2p with no cap or anything. As a result he always unplugged her while using internet or VoIP himself... and he couldn't understand why she wouldn't at least talk about shared bandwidth usage on the shared connection 22:49:02 <Bjarni> I guess a bandwidth cap is better than no bandwidth at all 22:49:03 <Gonozal_VIII> i guess he's asleep... school tomorrow 22:49:27 *** rane [rane@a88-113-18-136.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 22:49:34 <Prof_Frink> Gonozal_VIII: Set up squid and give him an upside-down-ternet 22:49:37 <Bjarni> <Gonozal_VIII> but that would be eeeeevil <--- you know better than to say that on IRC.... now you have to do it or be kicked 22:49:58 <rane> hey, what's new in 0.6.0? haven't played ottd for few months 22:50:05 <Bjarni> read the changelog 22:50:13 <rane> tried to find one 22:50:20 <Bjarni> it should be in docs 22:50:34 <Gonozal_VIII> famous last words: i'll try not to pull my own wire 22:50:36 <Sacro> rane: you'll find out when it's released 22:50:36 <Prof_Frink> rane: Check your tense. 22:50:42 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 22:51:00 <Gonozal_VIII> ping 22:51:10 <Prof_Frink> you pong. 22:51:24 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D2C2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:52:17 <Gonozal_VIII> reconnected him again but his download should be slower for some time now... 22:52:52 <rane> Bjarni: like in SVN or what? 22:53:18 <Bjarni> ... 22:53:22 <glx> in 0.6.0 install 22:53:33 <glx> SF.net has it too 22:58:06 *** orudge` [orudge@pc.lan.owenrudge.net] has joined #openttd 22:58:20 *** orudge is now known as Guest657 22:58:20 *** orudge` is now known as orudge 22:58:24 <Gonozal_VIII> yay found "qos" in the router faq 22:58:28 *** mode/#openttd [+o orudge] by ChanServ 22:58:32 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N793P025.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:59:11 *** rane [rane@a88-113-18-136.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has left #openttd [oh well, whatever] 23:00:02 *** Guest657 [orudge@pc.lan.owenrudge.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:01:15 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N793P025.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 23:03:10 * Prof_Frink prods orudge 23:03:19 *** Zuu [Zuu__@c-274de055.510-8-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:04:09 *** NW|Aerandir [magic.powe@90-230-201-111-no37.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 23:04:19 <Gonozal_VIII> it's not there :-( 23:04:20 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 23:04:53 *** Sionide [sionide@cornflakes.imen.org.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:04:59 *** Sionide [sionide@cornflakes.imen.org.uk] has joined #openttd 23:05:12 *** KritiK_ [~Maxim@78-106-177-43.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 23:07:19 <Gonozal_VIII> firmware update a good idea? 23:08:10 *** Noldo [vheino@jumi.lut.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:08:21 *** BigBB_ [~BigBB@p5B0420A4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:08:26 *** ln- [lauri@ksenos.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:08:28 *** ln- [lauri@ksenos.fi] has joined #openttd 23:08:38 *** Aerandir [magic.powe@90-230-201-111-no37.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:08:38 *** NW|Aerandir is now known as Aerandir 23:08:59 *** MiHaMeK [~miham@xenon.bibl.u-szeged.hu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:09:11 *** MiHaMiX [~miham@xenon.bibl.u-szeged.hu] has joined #openttd 23:09:45 *** Noldo [vheino@jumi.lut.fi] has joined #openttd 23:10:08 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-177-43.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:10:18 *** KritiK_ is now known as KritiK 23:11:27 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Quit: May the ducttape be with you] 23:12:34 * orudge prods Prof_Frink 23:12:52 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: Always remember you're unique, just like everyone else.] 23:13:02 <Prof_Frink> Thank you for being useless. 23:13:59 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:15:59 *** KritiK_ [~Maxim@78-106-130-52.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 23:16:01 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N793P025.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:17:03 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N793P025.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 23:18:22 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-177-43.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:20:46 *** RoKK [RoKK@dsl540085CD.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [] 23:24:58 *** KritiK_ [~Maxim@78-106-130-52.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:31:03 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N793P025.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:31:37 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N793P025.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 23:37:20 <kyevan> I'm not very familiar with the newgrf system - how much can they alter the base game? Could they, say, add docks from sea-level land? 23:38:25 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D2C2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:38:45 <Gonozal_VIII> as they can add industries on all kinds of terrain i guess that should be possible too 23:45:58 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:49:46 *** Jezral [~projectjj@users.kollegienet.dk] has joined #openttd 23:50:02 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:56:22 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@users.kollegienet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:56:23 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N793P025.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:56:32 *** Dark_Link^ [~glidegame@fw.dormnet.his.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:56:53 *** Dark_Link^ [~glidegame@fw.dormnet.his.se] has joined #openttd 23:58:46 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N793P025.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd