Log for #openttd on 19th December 2007:
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00:06:46  <Gonozal_VIII> why is the first byte of the sprite number in the action a after the second? took me a while to find out what's wrong with that hex
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01:21:06  <kyevan> Hmm
01:21:06  <kyevan> I seem to be able to blow up openttdcoop's public server by attempting to demo a bouy
01:21:06  <Gonozal_VIII> :S
01:22:01  <Gonozal_VIII> lots of ships with it in its orders?
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01:25:03  <Eddi|zuHause3> you should really check your connection...
01:25:13  <Wolf01|AWAY> 'night
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01:25:34  <Gonozal_VIII> my connection is ok, the other guy is downloading too much
01:26:30  <kyevan> Gonozal_VIII: No ships with it in their orders
01:26:42  <kyevan> It was only there as a marker for me during construction
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01:27:10  <Gonozal_VIII> unplugged his cable again... and it stays out until i sleep
01:27:36  <kyevan> It's running r11615, by the way
01:28:14  <Gonozal_VIII> and what exactly is "blow up"?
01:28:45  <kyevan> The server quits.
01:29:03  <Gonozal_VIII> that sucks
01:29:18  <kyevan> (At least, that's what the publicserver bot says)
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01:32:52  <glx> if the server quits, then you should be able to reproduce in single player, and maybe in latest trunk :)
01:33:43  <Gonozal_VIII> i tried to blow up some bouys but that doesn't do anything except blowing it up...
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01:36:21  <Gonozal_VIII> hmmm public server is passworded and member server is not?
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01:42:32  <kyevan> Gonozal_VIII: I dunno >_>
01:43:00  <kyevan> The password is available in #openttdcoop
01:43:03  <kyevan> type !password
01:43:52  <kyevan> Ah, OK
01:43:59  <kyevan> It's because there were canals next to the bouy
01:44:11  <Gonozal_VIII> i'm trying to reproduce it...
01:44:21  <Gonozal_VIII> canals next to the bouy?
01:44:43  <kyevan> Yeh, I was using it as a marker to do the canal trick, where you can get sea-level ground
01:45:31  <Gonozal_VIII> yes i know that trick
01:46:48  <kyevan> Assertion failed! Program ...\Desktop\OTTD-win-nightly\openttd.exe file /compile_farm/openttd/nightly/compile.../water_map.h Line:127 Expression o != OWNER_WATER <boilerplate text here>
01:46:59  <kyevan> I stripped out all the returns, of course
01:49:15  <Gonozal_VIII> canal and bouy built by the same player?
01:49:45  <kyevan> Yes
01:50:16  <kyevan> I can check to see what happens if they're owned by different people if you want (yay cheat menu!)
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01:50:56  <Gonozal_VIII> ah, reproduced it
01:51:55  <kyevan> Same error when the canal is owned by player 1 and the bouy by 0
01:53:01  <Gonozal_VIII> easy to reproduce... canal... bouy directly next to it... blow up bouy... assertion
01:53:52  <kyevan> Funky, I somehow got it to play two copies of the music >_>
01:54:00  <Gonozal_VIII> doesn't happen when the buoy tile is canal too
01:55:01  <kyevan> or when just the buoy tile is.
01:55:52  <Gonozal_VIII> yes... only with bouy on water, canal tile next to it
01:56:14  <Gonozal_VIII> and without any newgrf
01:56:18  <glx> reproduced
01:57:52  <Gonozal_VIII> r11660 too
01:57:53  <kyevan> Gotta love easily reproduced bugs.
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01:58:40  <kyevan> Doesn't crash 0.5.3
01:58:57  <Gonozal_VIII> hehe i was just going to test that
01:59:20  <glx> kyevan: 0.5.3 doesn't have the bug
01:59:46  <glx> the buggy code is recent
02:00:04  <kyevan> Ah, you've figured out where it is, roughly?
02:00:40  <kyevan> Also, it only happens if they're next to eachother on the grid -- shared corners are OK.
02:00:40  <glx> yes I know where it is
02:00:55  <kyevan> Cool :)
02:01:18  <Gonozal_VIII> nice
02:02:04  <Gonozal_VIII> how did you do that so fast?
02:02:43  <glx> easy, using debug build and Dr. Mingw, I can get a backtrace when it asserts, or crashes
02:02:54  <Gonozal_VIII> :-)
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02:09:49  <Sacro> rawr
02:10:01  <Gonozal_VIII> oh noes
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02:16:40  <Sacro> grr
02:18:15  <kyevan> I should really set up build tools and such on windows...
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02:18:31  <kyevan> (For a language other than Java, which I already have the stuff for installed >_>
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02:20:31  <Gonozal_VIII> night
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02:21:16  <Sacro> under windows i have err
02:21:18  <Sacro> C, C++, C#
02:21:21  <Sacro> VB
02:21:29  <kyevan> VB?
02:21:38  * kyevan splashes Sacro with holy water
02:21:52  <Sacro> :(
02:21:59  <Sacro> i installed all of VS2005
02:22:04  <kyevan> Oh
02:22:09  <kyevan> I /might/ forgive you then
02:22:14  <kyevan> As long as you don't use it.
02:23:19  <glx> I used VB, now I only do VBA ;)
02:23:58  <glx> and VBS sometimes
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02:25:02  <Belugas> and Delphi too ;)
02:27:13  <Sacro> i've done VB and VBA
02:27:20  <Sacro> almost ended up doing VBA.Net at uni
02:27:27  <Sacro> so i fled to the C# classes and switched
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02:38:44  <kyevan> VB.NET is trivial if you know C#
02:38:55  <Sacro> compiles to the same bytecode
02:38:58  <Sacro> night anyway
02:39:01  <kyevan> It's the same language, with less sane syntax.
02:39:14  <Sacro> lol
02:39:20  <kyevan> It's more like C# than VB6 :P
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02:41:56  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: glx * r11666 /trunk/src/ (station_cmd.cpp water.h water_cmd.cpp): -Fix (r11504): when removing buoys, return to water or canal depending on their owner
02:42:03  <glx> fixed :)
02:43:20  <glx> was a nice regression
02:49:35  <kyevan> What an evil bug fix ;)
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03:29:03  <kyevan> Are there any plans for fancy scripted scenarios, with goals and events and such?
03:30:37  <kyevan> (Idealy, with any scripting done in Squirrel for consistancy with the NoAI branch.)
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07:44:32  <markmc> G'mornin
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08:24:46  <dihedral> morning
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08:56:37  <dihedral> you guys are aware of the fact that the chat window does not state if the chat is going to [All] or [Team] or [Private]
08:56:46  <dihedral> ?
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10:10:03  <Rubidium> dihedral: use a newer version
10:10:50  <dihedral> fixed after 0.6.0-beta2?
10:13:39  <Rubidium> should be
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10:14:45  <dihedral> i'll give that a try
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11:15:29  <dihedral> @seen skidd13
11:15:29  <DorpsGek> dihedral: skidd13 was last seen in #openttd 19 hours, 47 minutes, and 53 seconds ago: <skidd13> Hi folks
11:15:57  <pavel1269> hi
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11:19:51  <dihedral> hello
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11:43:33  <SmatZ> hello
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12:00:34  <Gonozal_VIII> ahoi
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12:12:25  <roboboy> hello
12:12:53  <roboboy> is there a way I can turn wagon speed limits off in a current mp game?
12:12:58  <roboboy> I am the server admin
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12:13:59  <Eddi|zuHause2> roboboy: wagon speed limit should not be changed during a game
12:14:10  <roboboy> ok
12:14:13  <Eddi|zuHause2> it is a sure way to desync
12:14:33  <roboboy> but can it be turned off in SP and reloaded
12:14:46  <roboboy> its a coop game
12:14:51  <dihedral> why do you want to turn it off?
12:14:58  <Eddi|zuHause2> can still have nasty sideeffects, especially if newgrfs are involved
12:15:03  <roboboy> we are not playing for realism
12:15:11  <roboboy> ok
12:15:28  <Eddi|zuHause2> e.g. the dbsetxl loads different wagon sets depending on wagonspeedlimit setting
12:15:54  <roboboy> I dont think the UKRS does
12:18:17  <Eddi|zuHause2> anyway, i would not recommend it
12:18:23  <Eddi|zuHause2> you can try...
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12:22:33  <roboboy> ok
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16:19:58  <Digitalfox> So much silence :(
16:20:33  * Gonozal_VIII stares at the silence
16:20:39  <Hendikins> Silence is golden, but my eyes still see...
16:20:43  <Digitalfox> yeah
16:21:03  <Gonozal_VIII> the silence stares back!
16:21:08  <Eddi|zuHause2> it's a lie, silence is green
16:21:18  <Eddi|zuHause2> silence green is people (err...)
16:22:12  <Digitalfox> It's almost Christmas... Still don't know what present to give to my girlfriend :(
16:22:48  <Eddi|zuHause2> flowers and jewelry
16:22:51  <Digitalfox> Why is that women presents are hard to choice?
16:22:59  <Eddi|zuHause2> it's trivially easy
16:23:21  <Digitalfox> that was what i give her last Christmas
16:23:29  <Digitalfox> I'm out of ideas
16:23:36  <Eddi|zuHause2> so what? more flowers, more expensive jewelry
16:24:00  <Digitalfox> Eddi|zuHause2: But but but... Yeahi guess you're right ...
16:24:04  <Gonozal_VIII> they never have enough green or shiny stuff
16:24:19  <Eddi|zuHause2> try to not make the growth exponential ;)
16:24:28  <Gonozal_VIII> hehe
16:24:40  <Digitalfox> lol
16:25:46  <Digitalfox> I know I'll give her a new laptop :) Oh wait i won't than she will have more reasons to be online in MSN and talking to me :(
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16:26:16  <glx> lol
16:26:39  <Gonozal_VIII> give her a laptop that can't do anything else
16:27:43  <Digitalfox> There is a laptop that doesn't support MSN?? Oh you mean using Linux right?
16:27:53  <Digitalfox> Not a bad idea
16:28:32  <glx> linux has msn (amsn)
16:28:44  <Gonozal_VIII> ah you mean it's a bad thing when she talks to you over msn?
16:28:45  <Gonozal_VIII> gaim
16:28:46  <Eddi|zuHause2> then you are surely going to not spend another christmas with her :p
16:28:51  <Digitalfox> damn, you killed my present glx
16:29:15  <SmatZ> don't give her anything and break with her instead :-p
16:29:24  <Eddi|zuHause2> (but for all i know, that could be your intention)
16:29:43  <Digitalfox> Gonozal_VIII: Well she is very controller, she wants to know every step i give.. :(
16:30:11  <glx> are you sure she's not here?
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16:30:28  <Gonozal_VIII> ... i know that kind
16:30:43  <Digitalfox> Let's say i can't say I'm ugly, so when we go out there's always other girls messing with me and she explodes every time with a discussion
16:31:35  <Digitalfox> Also she is a PR so i go to a lot of presentations and partys, and there's always many women alone o-O
16:31:40  <Digitalfox> o_O
16:32:07  <Gonozal_VIII> a relationship can't work without trust
16:32:35  <Digitalfox> I know, i tell her that every week :(
16:32:39  <Eddi|zuHause2> if a man stops looking at a beautiful woman passing by, he is dead
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16:33:18  <Eddi|zuHause2> (that's a quote i heard on the radio a few weeks ago about relationship between men and women)
16:33:24  <Digitalfox> Eddi|zuHause2: Absolutely right.. But she tells me " You want me to start looking to other men ? "
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16:33:33  <Eddi|zuHause2> (it was even said by a woman)
16:33:44  <Gonozal_VIII> they do that anyways
16:34:05  <Wolf01> hello
16:34:09  <Gonozal_VIII> hi
16:34:14  <Digitalfox> hello Wolf
16:35:15  <Eddi|zuHause2> Digitalfox: you answer: Who do you think about while we are [...]
16:36:54  <Digitalfox> My question is why do women always think that if we look to a beautiful women, that means she ( Wife or girlfriend ) is not so pretty?? My girlfriend is beautiful but still I'm always looking to other beautiful women, i can't stop that o_O
16:37:12  <Digitalfox> It's like it's in my blood
16:37:30  <Gonozal_VIII> everybody does that, even the women
16:37:45  <Digitalfox> And i explain that to her, but she always says " You want me to start looking to other men ? "
16:37:53  <Digitalfox> But i'll try to say what Eddi|zuHause2 told
16:37:54  <Eddi|zuHause2> that radio show was about a book that has been published "men ask, women answer", and the matching reverse book
16:38:11  <Eddi|zuHause2> it was about exactly those kind of discussions
16:38:43  <Gonozal_VIII> it's tricky when women ask something...
16:38:47  <Eddi|zuHause2> men have to look after _every_ beatiful women passing by
16:39:00  <Gonozal_VIII> always think around 10 corners before you answer
16:39:01  <Eddi|zuHause2> women have to think about other men in bed
16:39:45  <Digitalfox> Eddi|zuHause2: "women have to think about other men in bed" I surely hope it's not my case, it would be bad for my ego lol
16:39:50  <Eddi|zuHause2> it also contained other typical questions, like "why do women never go alone to the toilet"
16:40:13  <Eddi|zuHause2> Digitalfox: yeah, same way as it is bad for her ego that you look after other women
16:40:23  <Eddi|zuHause2> you have to consider that, before answering ;)
16:41:20  <Digitalfox> no no no, there's no problem if she looks to another men, i do the same with another women.. What can't happen is having thought about what we are looking at..
16:41:29  <Digitalfox> *thoughts
16:41:43  <Digitalfox> Well she can't, but i well...
16:42:25  <Eddi|zuHause2> well, the problem is, that is not the issue
16:43:33  <Digitalfox> Anyway, my biggest problem is she doesn't accept i can find other women beautiful, it's like i'm cheating on her..
16:44:17  <Digitalfox> So after 2 years of relationship we still discuss a lot about it
16:45:56  <Digitalfox> I'll tell you this, if we were to broke up, i'll would be 1 year of peace and quiet without any other girlfriend, just a *special women friendship*
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16:50:05  <Sacro> hmm
16:51:43  <Digitalfox> Want to tells us your experience with women Sacro?
16:52:23  <Sacro> oh you don't want to know
16:52:39  <Digitalfox> It's that bad?
16:53:01  <Eddi|zuHause2> one girl he was with got committed into a mental hospital a week later ;)
16:53:23  <Digitalfox> oh yeah i remember some months ago that conversation
16:53:48  <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause2: that was after she stole £220 out my account and then tried to commit suicide
16:54:20  <Digitalfox> damn Sacro that's bad luck..
16:54:40  <Digitalfox> And since then no new women in your life?
16:55:26  <Eddi|zuHause2> that was several years ago, i do hope he had some :p
16:56:06  <Sacro> nope
16:56:10  <Digitalfox> He's not replying so maybe not..
16:56:22  <Sacro> my first girlfriend dumped me over 7 years ago
16:56:27  <Sacro> she just got engaged#
16:57:02  <Digitalfox> She was 7 years alone?
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16:57:43  <Eddi|zuHause2> she was 7 back then :p
16:57:56  <Sacro> errr... no
16:57:57  <Gonozal_VIII> makes sense
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16:58:44  <Digitalfox> lol
16:59:06  <Digitalfox> What a big laugh i just had :)
17:00:16  <Sacro> right, leving work now
17:00:18  <Sacro> back later
17:01:11  <Hendikins> I left work 2 hours early because my duty manager was a prick
17:04:15  <Hendikins> I signed off duty "unwell", in order to leave him unable to do anything about it.
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17:54:51  <fjb> Moin
17:55:33  <Prof_Frink> 'ning
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17:58:19  <Eddi|zuHause2> ...gitis
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18:52:16  <Draakon> hi guys
18:53:08  <SmatZ> hi Draakon
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18:55:06  <Draakon> is it possibile to use BuildOTTD somehow compile a patched trunk without using patch file?
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18:56:17  <Rubidium> Draakon: yes and no
18:56:22  <glx> not directly as buildottd always use a clean trunk and a patch
18:56:37  <Rubidium> you can't use BuildOTTD, but you can use the compiler and stuff that gets delivered with BuildOTTD
18:56:50  <glx> but with buildottd you have all needed tools to do it without buildottd :)
18:57:16  <Draakon> k
19:00:01  <Gonozal_VIII> bah, that other guy on my router has been downloading at full speed for two days now... irc, msn and icq keep disconnecting
19:00:30  <Rubidium> slap him or your provider
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19:01:01  <Draakon> you own the router? disconnect him
19:01:11  <Gonozal_VIII> 50gb traffic...
19:01:28  <glx> learn him to limit bandwidth usage
19:01:50  <Gonozal_VIII> i'll try blocking port 1-65534
19:01:51  <glx> mainly uploading
19:02:39  <Draakon> hmm wiki contains info for Msys commands?
19:03:58  <Draakon> oh i got mingw instead :P
19:04:25  <Draakon> but still can i use BuildOTTD mingw to stat compiling right away or i must do those configure stuffs first?
19:04:47  <Gonozal_VIII> hmm upload... yes i noticed that everything stops working when there's too much upload
19:05:26  <Prof_Frink> Gonozal_VIII: We went over this yesterday
19:06:22  <Draakon> hello?
19:07:22  <kyevan> Intercontinental airports need more helipads >_>
19:07:36  <Draakon> wait till NewGRF_Ports get done
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19:07:43  <Draakon> then you can add them by GRFS
19:07:52  <Draakon> or modifi old airports
19:08:08  <Draakon> or is it done already?
19:11:31  <Draakon> C:/BuildOTTD/msys/home/trunk/src/copy_paste.cpp: In function `void CopyArea(TileIndex, TileIndex, bool, bool, bool)':
19:11:33  <Draakon> C:/BuildOTTD/msys/home/trunk/src/copy_paste.cpp:845: error: `GetTunnelTransportType' undeclared (first use this function)
19:11:34  <Draakon> C:/BuildOTTD/msys/home/trunk/src/copy_paste.cpp:845: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once for each function it appears in.)
19:11:36  <Draakon> C:/BuildOTTD/msys/home/trunk/src/copy_paste.cpp:849: error: `GetTunnelDirection' undeclared (first use this function)
19:11:38  <Draakon> C:/BuildOTTD/msys/home/trunk/src/copy_paste.cpp:943: error: `GetBridgeTransportType' undeclared (first use this function)
19:11:39  <Draakon> C:/BuildOTTD/msys/home/trunk/src/copy_paste.cpp:948: error: `GetBridgeRampDirection' undeclared (first use this function)
19:11:41  <Draakon> make[1]: *** [copy_paste.o] Error 1
19:11:42  <Draakon> make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/trunk/objs/release'
19:11:44  <Draakon> make: *** [all] Error 2
19:11:45  <Draakon> why do i have this error?
19:11:58  <hylje> forgot to import a .h
19:12:03  <Eddi|zuHause2> Draakon: next time, for anything over 2 lines
19:12:14  <Rubidium> Draakon: because the patch is outdated?
19:12:14  <SmatZ> Draakon: is your friend
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19:12:27  <Draakon> dint know that
19:12:36  <Draakon> Rubidium: erm i dont think so
19:12:43  <dihedral> hey ho
19:12:46  <Rubidium> Draakon: why?
19:12:51  <Eddi|zuHause2> Draakon: most likely, your copy_paste patch is outdated
19:13:06  <Draakon> lemme get the revisions first k?
19:13:06  <SmatZ> Draakon: it is, GetTunnelTransportType has been removed like 5 days ago
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19:13:57  <Draakon> copy_paste_rev11642 and Trunk rev 11666
19:14:06  <Eddi|zuHause2> Draakon: always get the exact same revision as the patch sais
19:14:23  <Rubidium> Draakon: as I said... the patch is outdated
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19:14:32  <Draakon> hmm k will try another compiling then
19:14:40  <Eddi|zuHause2> a lot can happen in 24 revisions
19:15:10  <Draakon> i will try rev 11642
19:15:34  <Eddi|zuHause2> who was the developer of copy/paste? Frostregen?
19:15:49  <dihedral> yep
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19:16:57  <Draakon> i just like Copy%paste :P
19:17:09  <Draakon> it saves me building some already done junctions in SP
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19:17:21  <Draakon> btw is it client side only?
19:17:24  <dihedral> just dont use it in openttdcoop :-)
19:17:48  <dihedral> Draakon: kinda
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19:18:18  <Draakon> what you mean by that?
19:18:22  <dihedral> as much as clients need to worry about it - yes
19:19:14  <Draakon> i hope this time compiling is a succsess
19:20:11  <dihedral> that is something one mostly finds out at the end :-D
19:21:15  <Draakon> :S dam files locked, good thing i have Unlocker Ö:p
19:21:17  <Draakon> :P*
19:24:17  <dihedral> are you german?
19:24:32  <dihedral> no
19:24:34  <dihedral> nvm
19:24:43  <Gonozal_VIII> don't insult random people
19:24:46  <Gonozal_VIII> :P
19:24:48  <dihedral> LOL
19:25:05  <dihedral> Draakon: Gonozal_VIII called you random :-P
19:25:26  <Draakon> lol
19:25:35  <Draakon> who cares anyway?
19:25:46  <dihedral> nobody
19:25:56  <dihedral> but dont be depressed by that :-P
19:26:24  <Draakon> did i say i am?
19:27:29  <Draakon> what happens if i terminate a compiler while it is in the middle of compiling
19:27:31  <Draakon> ?
19:28:00  <pavel1269> nothing
19:28:00  <pavel1269> :)
19:28:29  <pavel1269> or ... never happend to me anything
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19:35:22  <Barry> Goodevening
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19:35:57  <Barry> I'm looking for a site where I can download scenarios. Does anybody know a good site for that?
19:36:28  <Rubidium> the forum?
19:36:44  <Rubidium> not very easy to find them, but that's the place with the most scenarios
19:37:41  <Gonozal_VIII>
19:37:52  <Barry> I checked the forum but I only find some articles but no scenarios
19:38:08  <Gonozal_VIII> then you didn't look good enough
19:38:23  <Gonozal_VIII> hehe
19:38:39  <Gonozal_VIII> that was kind of wrong english?
19:38:46  <Gonozal_VIII> maybe...
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19:39:51  <Gonozal_VIII> btw my connection is all better now :-)
19:39:52  <Barry> I search on the keywords scenario and download
19:40:15  <Barry> thx for the link
19:40:15  <ln->
19:41:20  <hylje> :p
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19:44:56  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r11667 /trunk/src/ (67 files in 3 dirs): -Codechange: split window.h into a header that defines some 'global' window related types, on that defined 'global' window functions and one that defines functions and types only used by *_gui.cpps.
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19:56:41  <TheBlasphemer> What to do if I've got a game running on my dedicated server that's throwing everyone out of the game with desync errors after approximately 30 secs of playing ?
19:56:49  <TheBlasphemer> Should I report it to someone? send the savegame to someone ?
19:57:06  <Rubidium> what version?
19:57:16  <TheBlasphemer> 0.6.0 beta2
19:57:59  <Rubidium> how do you get into the state that it desyncs from a 'cold' start?
19:58:20  <TheBlasphemer> load the savegame :P?
19:59:01  <TheBlasphemer> Don't suppose there's a way to have a kind of stack-trace-log for each random-number call to compare, is there ;)?
19:59:20  <Rubidium> there is
19:59:38  <TheBlasphemer> ooooooh, do tell me :)
19:59:44  <TheBlasphemer> I would love to get my hands dirty (6)
19:59:46  <TheBlasphemer> err
19:59:47  <TheBlasphemer> >:]
20:00:17  <Rubidium> for 'trunk' it is ./enable-desync-debug=2 (but that wasn't in 0.6.0-beta2)
20:00:44  <Rubidium> for 0.6.0-beta2: src/core/random_func.hpp:18
20:01:24  <TheBlasphemer> So gotta recompile :P?
20:01:26  <TheBlasphemer> bugger ;)
20:01:40  <Rubidium> yes
20:02:03  <TheBlasphemer> You want to have a look too :)? (You'd probably be faster :/)
20:02:05  <Rubidium> because it kinda slows down the game quite a lot when you make it runtime configurable
20:02:22  <TheBlasphemer> depends how you do it, I suppose :P
20:02:25  <Rubidium> I'm most likely not faster at this moment
20:02:33  <TheBlasphemer> k, will give it a shot :)
20:03:12  <Rubidium> but you can reproduce it easily by loading a savegame?
20:03:36  <TheBlasphemer> Let me just do another cold boot and try for you :)
20:05:16  <TheBlasphemer> :/
20:05:43  <TheBlasphemer> I've done this several times, and all times it desynched almost instantly, and this one time I am about to actually go and find where that bug is, it refuses :S
20:06:02  <pavel1269> :)
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20:08:53  <glx> TheBlasphemer: we hate that too
20:09:44  * Rubidium slaps Heisenberg
20:10:09  <TheBlasphemer> How much of an extra load would it be on my server if I recompiled with the stack-trace option just in case it happens again?
20:10:36  <glx> it autosaves each month
20:10:48  <Rubidium> glx: wrong...
20:11:00  <Rubidium> it will dump each random number
20:11:15  <Rubidium> and it will only be usefull if the first client desyncs
20:11:37  <Rubidium> and it will generate a hell of a lot of log to the console
20:11:45  <Rubidium> 1 MB-ish per second
20:11:59  <TheBlasphemer> hmmmz :P
20:12:02  <TheBlasphemer> ok, that's a bit too much :/
20:12:11  <glx> that's usually a big slowdown :)
20:12:44  <TheBlasphemer> Normally I probably would've done it (it auto-pauses when no clients anyway)
20:13:19  <TheBlasphemer> But it's mainly a webserver, and it has enough trouble doing that alone at certain times ;)
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20:23:26  <kyevan> hmm
20:23:31  <kyevan> Let's think
20:23:47  <kyevan> Mingw+msys, sdl, libpng, etc... an svn client...
20:24:06  <kyevan> anything else I'm forgetting to set up a workable windows build environment?
20:24:23  <Rubidium> time
20:24:24  <Prof_Frink> a linux livecd?
20:24:28  <Rubidium> effort
20:24:32  <Rubidium> blood
20:24:33  <kyevan> Prof_Frink: Har har har
20:24:34  <Rubidium> sweat
20:24:36  <Rubidium> tears
20:24:50  <kyevan> If I was going to build on linux, I'd just reboot and select debian at the boot screen :P
20:26:05  <kyevan> Rubidium: I don't have much of my own blood left after fixing sid so many times... I'm getting all pasty white. Can I use pigs blood, or something?
20:26:31  * Rubidium wonders what's wrong with sid
20:26:39  <Prof_Frink> Rubidium: He breaks your toys
20:27:00  <Rubidium> I've had one (major) problem in two and a half years of daily updates/upgrades
20:27:52  <kyevan> Rubidium: Well, most (all) of the problems have been My Own Damn Fault.
20:28:28  <kyevan> Though there was the one time aptitude was convinced the right course of action was to remove gcc >_>
20:28:40  <glx> kyevan: sdl is not needed
20:29:07  <Prof_Frink> Woo, new kde4 packages
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20:31:23  <Gonozal_VIII> Those who know the least will always know it the loudest. <-- just found that... true, true
20:32:08  <TheBlasphemer> <kyevan> anything else I'm forgetting to set up a workable windows build environment?
20:32:16  <TheBlasphemer> Microsoft Visual Studio 2003/2005/2008 :)?
20:33:18  <Rubidium> nah... that required .NET
20:33:23  <Rubidium> requires
20:33:36  <glx> and it's not needed for mingw/msys
20:33:55  <Rubidium> .NET sucks for one reason
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20:34:32  <pavel1269> and reason is?
20:35:02  <Rubidium> when Windows Update messes up your .NET install there is no way to properly deinstall .NET (except format)
20:35:05  <TheBlasphemer> Rubidium: I hate .NET as much as Macintosh, but Visual Studio is great :/
20:35:26  <TheBlasphemer> And besides, what's wrong with having the runtimes on your system :/?
20:35:29  <Rubidium> and a messed up .NET install means Visual Studio doesn't want to do anything either
20:35:51  <glx> TheBlasphemer: then you don't use express versions
20:36:00  <glx> ie 1 IDE for each language
20:36:06  <Prof_Frink> Yay, stable
20:36:10  <TheBlasphemer> Ofcourse I don't use the express versions ;)
20:36:18  <Prof_Frink> 12 updates since I last could be bothered
20:36:39  <TheBlasphemer> I won a legit copy of VS2005 with a MS contest a while ago, and I've got loads of places to get VS2008 (although I must admit those are less-legal than the former ;))
20:39:19  * Rubidium has to work with VS2005 stuff and is happy he doesn't need to use it at home.
20:41:57  <TheBlasphemer> :/
20:42:06  <TheBlasphemer> What do you use it for at work then ?
20:42:43  <TheBlasphemer> I could agree on the fact that all the .NET based languages, and shit like MFC are the devils' own,
20:42:46  <Rubidium> webdevelopment stuff, SQL aggregrate functions and some stand alone applications
20:42:48  <TheBlasphemer> but VC++ is godlike :)
20:45:44  <Rubidium> ASP(.NET) just plainly sucks due to utter stallness
20:46:07  <kyevan> TheBlasphemer: Well, why don't you mail me a bunch of cash so I can buy VS2008, then?
20:46:20  <TheBlasphemer> Agreed, but ASP(.NET) is a language, the fact that ASP.NET sucks doesn't make VS2005 a crappy product ;)
20:46:24  <kyevan> Besides, I'm actually used to the gnu toolchain. Even make, which is, ick >_>
20:46:31  <TheBlasphemer> heh :P
20:46:37  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r11668 /trunk/src/ (47 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: more refactoring aimed at reducing compile time and making it more logic where function definitions can be found.
20:46:40  <TheBlasphemer> Hint: make friends at Microsoft
20:46:48  <TheBlasphemer> Vista Ultimate is like 30 euros for employees :)
20:46:50  <Rubidium> TheBlasphemer: please not...
20:47:05  <Gonozal_VIII> bah vista
20:47:24  <TheBlasphemer> ah bah, seems like I've dropped into a pile of microsoft hate today :P
20:47:27  <Rubidium> "no, our products are a lot safer"
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20:47:38  <TheBlasphemer> I'm not saying Microsoft is perfect
20:47:41  <TheBlasphemer> far from it actually
20:47:53  <Rubidium> just forget to mention that you "fix" more than 1 bug in a bugfix, but only mention one of those
20:48:05  <TheBlasphemer> but VS2005 is pretty decent, and I haven't found a good alternative for it yet...
20:48:08  <Rubidium> or fix gazillions of bugs in a service pack and not mention any of them
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20:48:25  <TheBlasphemer> And Vista is pretty darn spiffy too, and it has some pretty good changes in the back-end too, not only in the front end....
20:48:41  <Gonozal_VIII> the only reason i'm using windows is compatibility with almost every hardware/software... vista doesn't even have that
20:48:51  <TheBlasphemer> Did you hear me say that MS products didn't have bugs :P? Did you ever hear me mention IE in this conversation ;)?
20:49:29  <TheBlasphemer> Gonozal_VIII: Most software will run (more than on wine, probably), and as for hardware compatiblity: you can't blame MS for that...
20:50:00  <TheBlasphemer> I'm not entirely satisfied with the current driver situation, with all vendors refusing to write proper ones
20:50:16  <TheBlasphemer> But at least the driver architecture got a much needed overhaul :/
20:51:26  <Rubidium> the linux driver subsystem gets architecture changes all the time, not once every 10-or-so-years when they decided that it is so utterly crappy that the support people can't support it anymore
20:51:50  <Rubidium> hmm... and talking about their documentation...
20:52:04  <TheBlasphemer> Rubidium: Can't blame MS for making backwards compatibility a high priority :/
20:52:28  <TheBlasphemer> Rubidium: Point me to something that you think is missing in their documentation...
20:52:35  <Rubidium> you can easily find how to secure Windows NT 4.0 in the VS2005 help, but how to write secure stuff for something more recent than 2000 is hard to find.
20:52:43  <TheBlasphemer> I've never had any complaints about MSDN or the Platform SDK
20:53:03  <kyevan> Rubidium: Really?
20:53:05  <kyevan> It's easy
20:53:16  <kyevan> Find knife
20:53:24  <kyevan> Find ethernet to windows box in question
20:53:28  <kyevan> Cut cable
20:53:29  <TheBlasphemer> heh :P
20:53:36  <Rubidium> kyevan: but that isn't in the manual, see my point?
20:53:55  <Prof_Frink> kyevan: It's even easier than that
20:53:58  <TheBlasphemer> Most things that apply for Windows NT 4 still apply for Windows 2000, XP, and Vista
20:54:07  <kyevan> I suppose you COULD just unplug it
20:54:08  <Prof_Frink> Once you realise that you have to press 'start' to stop
20:54:27  <TheBlasphemer> Oh come on guys, cut it with the bullshit already :P
20:54:37  <TheBlasphemer> I can perfectly understand that you don't like MS
20:54:56  <TheBlasphemer> just don't go about bashing it like that, especially not with arguments you can't even back up...
20:55:08  <TheBlasphemer> That makes you no better than all those MS fanboys out there bashing *nix
20:55:22  <kyevan> TheBlasphemer: Oh, come off it.
20:55:27  <kyevan> I'm just haveing fun :)
20:55:30  <Rubidium> personal experience is kinda hard to back up
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20:55:59  <kyevan> You'll note that the current OS I'm on is XP >_>
20:56:05  <TheBlasphemer> Rubidium: So if my gf doesn't ever want to touch a *nix box because she thinks the command line is eery is a valid argument to say that Linux is crap ?
20:56:30  <Rubidium> no, because she has no experience with it
20:56:41  <Gonozal_VIII> i'm using xp... tried vista and half of my stuff stopped working... yay vista?
20:56:50  <TheBlasphemer> She has, she's been developing web apps on *nix for quite some time now...
20:56:51  <glx> and now you can do a lot without using command line in linux
20:56:58  <Rubidium> and experience is not two minutes, it's a few months of using it 30+ hours a week
20:57:02  <kyevan> (Although if queried my client you'd see it's irssi running on a linode >_>)
20:57:40  <TheBlasphemer> Rubidium: to get back on the original argument, it's fine if you don't like ASP.NET, it's fine if VS2005 is not your personal preference
20:57:49  <TheBlasphemer> just don't go about telling me VS2005 is crap because .NET is :/
20:58:17  <Sacro> morning
20:58:25  <Rubidium> oh... did I tell about VS2005 projects that can't be opened in VS2005?
20:58:57  <Rubidium> had that problem yesterday
20:59:10  <Rubidium> you would've hoped that that would work
21:00:37  <TheBlasphemer> Well, I'm not sure what the exact situation was, but it might be that someone else on the network has locked the file or something :/
21:01:37  <Rubidium> nope.. just copying it from one PC to the other and not being able to open the project file
21:02:27  <TheBlasphemer> Don't suppose VS2005SP1 was on one of the boxes and VS2005SP0 on the other or something like that ?
21:02:30  <glx> corruption durig transfert?
21:03:04  <kyevan> TheBlasphemer: That shouldn't matter.
21:03:12  <Rubidium> kyevan: it actually does
21:03:14  <kyevan> If you break compatability, give it a new number.
21:03:23  <kyevan> Rubidium: Yes, it might, but it SHOULDN'T.
21:03:26  <Rubidium> and 'installing' a SP isn't simple either
21:04:12  <TheBlasphemer> Ok, let's just rephrase this in a way that you can't possibly disagree with:
21:04:20  <TheBlasphemer> I like VS2005 and it's perfect for all my needs :P
21:04:31  <Rubidium> -> download SP1 -> run -> he... why doesn't it continue with the upgrade?
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21:04:45  <Gonozal_VIII> no it's not! :D
21:04:58  <Rubidium> *waiting for 15 minutes* still the installer has not started (it has extracted though)
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21:05:40  <Rubidium> it required a reboot before it could actually install the SP, but not giving any notice about it not being able to start would've been the least they could've done
21:05:42  <kyevan> TheBlasphemer: Great!
21:05:58  <kyevan> Then use it, but don't tell others to do so >_>
21:06:18  <TheBlasphemer> You asked me what you would need for a windows build machine! :P
21:06:44  <Rubidium> making Windows binaries... something I just do under Linux ;)
21:06:54  <TheBlasphemer> ugh, shame on you :P
21:06:55  <Rubidium> ask Belugas about that ;)
21:07:17  <Rubidium> he was quite happy when I made Windows binaries for his patches using a website
21:07:32  <TheBlasphemer> OMG, Firefox 3 BEta 2 is nice :)
21:07:43  <TheBlasphemer> It broke Mozilla Personas, but I've already spotted some nice new additions :D
21:07:56  <Gonozal_VIII> wtf ff 3?
21:08:12  <Gonozal_VIII> 2 is still brandnew...
21:08:24  <TheBlasphemer> 2 is a memory hog :/
21:08:37  <Gonozal_VIII> but it's new
21:08:40  <TheBlasphemer> So ?
21:08:55  <Gonozal_VIII> what happened to 2.1?
21:09:01  <TheBlasphemer> Ask mozilla :P
21:09:19  <Digitalfox> Well it never happened to me, firefox using more than 150MB of RAM, and yes i use lot's of extensions
21:09:41  <Digitalfox> And with 1 GB of RAM in all my machines doesn't look a lot
21:10:19  <Gonozal_VIII> i had that with ff 1 sometimes but that could be disabled
21:10:28  <Digitalfox> It seems the problem is after having firefox opened with many tabs after some hours it starts eating memory
21:10:48  <Digitalfox> But i nver had 500MB of RAM used like some guys say
21:10:57  <Gonozal_VIII> there was some well hidden setting to disable that
21:11:21  <Digitalfox> It's about the cache used
21:11:39  <Gonozal_VIII> yes...
21:11:42  <Digitalfox> The advantage is that when you click" back" the page is still in memory
21:11:59  <Gonozal_VIII> sometimes it used 300+mb of my 512...
21:12:01  <TheBlasphemer> DigitalFox: I've actually had that several times, FF using +-700mb :/
21:12:05  * Rubidium wonders why people always think using much memory is always bad for an application
21:12:31  <Gonozal_VIII> it is when it uses so much that everything gets slow
21:12:34  <Rubidium> I really do not care when FF uses 900 MB, but only when it would free memory as soon as another application needs it
21:12:46  <TheBlasphemer> Rubidium: the fact that it uses 700mb of pagefile doesn't bother me, it's the fact that I can actually feel it getting slower with the hour
21:12:46  <Digitalfox> Well Rubidium i don't mind apllications using all my memory.. Hey i paid it to be used not unused
21:13:16  <TheBlasphemer> Opening a new tab used to take a full 3 seconds if I've had it open for some houts
21:13:17  <TheBlasphemer> rs
21:13:45  <TheBlasphemer> I've been this --> <-- close to switching to IE7 because it didn't feel that slow :/
21:13:53  <Digitalfox> It's like Vista, people complain that with 2 GB of RAM it caches it all ( uses it all ) to make aplications load faster, well i don't mind using all the memory..
21:14:00  <Gonozal_VIII> not only ff itself got slow, every click took some seconds then...
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21:15:00  <TheBlasphemer> Gonozal_VIII: If you have those problems too, I highly recommend getting firefox 3 beta2, it's honestly a breath of fresh air :)
21:15:27  <Gonozal_VIII> no those problems stopped long ago
21:15:36  <TheBlasphemer> They did?
21:15:38  <TheBlasphemer> How ?
21:16:01  <TheBlasphemer> My gf still runs ff2, regularly updated, and she's still complaining about it :/
21:16:09  <Gonozal_VIII> as i said there was a well hidden setting
21:16:29  <Gonozal_VIII> google told me about it :-)
21:17:32  <TheBlasphemer> ;)
21:17:50  <Gonozal_VIII> no problems since then and i often have 120+ tabs open
21:18:04  <TheBlasphemer> :)
21:18:15  <TheBlasphemer> Btw, any of you got any experience with DVD-burners ?
21:18:38  <TheBlasphemer> I've recently bought a shiny new black case, and the fact that my DVD burner is white keeps bothering me :/
21:18:49  <Sacro> TheBlasphemer: get a black bezel
21:18:56  <TheBlasphemer> Sacro: where? how?
21:18:57  <glx> Gonozal_VIII: do you really need 120 tabs?
21:19:03  <Gonozal_VIII> yes i do
21:19:06  <TheBlasphemer> Sacro: I've looked for them, but couldn't find em
21:19:16  <Gonozal_VIII> <-- comics^^
21:19:26  <Sacro>
21:19:38  <Gonozal_VIII> (don't click the "alle" button or you'll get 120 tabs too)
21:19:50  <Gonozal_VIII> if js is enabled...
21:20:02  <TheBlasphemer> Having it shipped here and all would probably cost me about ~E20, for that money I'd rather sell my old one and buy a new one :P
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21:22:29  <Gonozal_VIII> paint it black
21:23:59  <Gonozal_VIII> or roll some stones over it :-)
21:27:31  <Gonozal_VIII> black water proof marker should do the trick
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21:44:59  <pavel1269> gn
21:46:58  <Gonozal_VIII> night
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21:47:55  <Gonozal_VIII> diagonal roads are harder than i thought
21:49:00  <Sacro> so's Bjarni
21:49:46  <Gonozal_VIII> ...
21:50:42  <Gonozal_VIII> but the roads are ok, the rails are wrong, they shouldn't be in the middle of the tiles
21:51:56  <Gonozal_VIII> two parallel rails should fit into one tile...
21:53:12  <Eddi|zuHause2> make it ;)
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22:05:27  <ln-> where is the one and only ...?
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22:07:26  <Prof_Frink> Over here.
22:09:30  <ln-> doesn't seem like you.
22:10:06  <Gonozal_VIII> building a new robot
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22:10:38  <Gonozal_VIII> with a laser... and a railgun!
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22:12:38  <Prof_Frink> laser *and* railgun?
22:13:00  <Prof_Frink> I like that thinking.
22:13:02  <Gonozal_VIII> you can never have too much weapons on a robot
22:14:08  <Prof_Frink> Railgun, machine guns, missile pod, at-shells from the knees, free electon laser and big stompy feet.
22:14:22  <TallOak> And an Electron Ram.
22:15:15  <Prof_Frink> Don't remember Rex having a one of them
22:15:42  <Gonozal_VIII> what does an electron ram do?
22:15:51  <Prof_Frink> Bah, I took *way* too long to identify the source of the Electron Ram.
22:16:09  <Prof_Frink> Gonozal_VIII: "Takes out this wall, no problem!"
22:16:36  <Prof_Frink> What a depressingly stupid machine.
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22:17:39  <Gonozal_VIII> now we scared him away
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22:42:20  <kyevan> Wow, I'm less than 100k in the hole.
22:42:24  <kyevan> This is... a new experience for me.
22:42:57  <Gonozal_VIII> ?
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22:43:31  <kyevan> Of course, I don't know what to do now. So I took out a loan and bought a new train :)
22:43:51  <Eddi|zuHause2> you mean you never managed to repay your debt?
22:44:01  <Eddi|zuHause2> how long have you been playing this game?
22:45:24  <kyevan> Not very long
22:45:37  <kyevan> And I usually play for 10-20 minutes, toss the game, and get back to work, so :P
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22:46:38  <Gonozal_VIII> you know that you can save/load games?^^
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22:57:39  <kyevan> Yeh, but too lazy :P
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23:08:29  <Eddi|zuHause2> you know, there are even autosaves :p
23:09:23  <TheBlasphemer> kyevan: How do you do that?
23:09:31  <TheBlasphemer> kyevan: I usually intend to play for two hours or so
23:09:39  <TheBlasphemer> kyevan: and then end up playing all night long :/
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23:10:31  <Gonozal_VIII> i guess he has to because openttd doesn't have a "boss-key" ;-)
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23:11:11  <kyevan> Mom-key, really :P
23:11:25  <MDGrein> but theres "window hiders" that works with everything
23:11:33  <MDGrein> used them when I went to school :)
23:11:57  <MDGrein> define everything = "windowed applications"
23:12:03  <kyevan> Also, the boss key doesn't hide it from yourself, so that guilty bit in the back of my mind is like, 'work work work'
23:12:30  <kyevan> In other news, I'm only 20k in the hole now :P
23:12:30  <Gonozal_VIII> yes, that sucks... would need an off switch for that too
23:12:47  <MDGrein> port openttd to flash and WHAM! productivity wolrd wide will drop 10%
23:12:48  <Wolf01> install power menu and send it to tray :P
23:13:16  <Wolf01> but is for windows only
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23:14:34  <kyevan> on 'nix it's even easier, wolf.
23:14:56  <Rubidium> jup... there the boss knows nothing about the OS ;)
23:14:59  <Gonozal_VIII> did i mention that i always listen to it when something on irc reminds me of a song?
23:15:04  <kyevan> Just switch virtual desktops, 98% of the world wouldn't even know there were other things runing :P
23:15:25  <Wolf01> eheh
23:16:12  <Gonozal_VIII> shut down explorer.exe...
23:22:20  <kyevan> Woo! I'm debt free!
23:22:32  <Gonozal_VIII> hehe gratz
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23:23:06  <kyevan> Of course, it's one of the insanely tiny maps, so there's not much more for me to do :P
23:23:30  <Gonozal_VIII> 64*64 maps can be challenging...
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23:26:27  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r11669 /trunk/ (77 files in 6 dirs): -Codechange: refactor tile.h -> tile_type.h and tile_map.h
23:26:42  <kyevan> Gonozal_VIII: Eh, well
23:26:57  <kyevan> There's only one town, so no place for goods to go, because I can't really grow it very well.
23:27:15  <kyevan> And it's small enough that PtP tracks work for the industries.
23:30:09  <Gonozal_VIII> that's part of why it's challenging
23:30:29  <Gonozal_VIII> at least with the newgrf i use
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23:35:16  <Gonozal_VIII> hmmm "stop cluster bombs" commercial on tv..
23:35:29  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r11670 /trunk/src/ (station.h station_cmd.cpp station_gui.cpp): -Feature [FS#1565]: list neutral stations where the player has service in the station list too
23:36:39  <Gonozal_VIII> hmm do you pick your tasks at random smatz?
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23:37:49  <Gonozal_VIII> here a change, there a change... you've been very busy lately... but it all seems kind of random
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23:40:48  <SmatZ_> Gonozal_VIII: rather random, but bugfixes have higher priority :)
23:40:56  <Gonozal_VIII> i never know where to start when i want or have to do something...
23:41:17  <SmatZ_> me neither :) so I usually pick the easiest task first...
23:41:26  <Gonozal_VIII> hehe
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23:51:21  <Gonozal_VIII> are you still working on that tunnel/bridge thing?
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23:53:05  <kyevan> Hmm
23:53:16  <kyevan> Long tunnels should be able to overlap always...
23:53:42  <kyevan> (Define long as "at least one non-entrance tunnel tile on either side of the crossing point", I think?)
23:55:09  <Eddi|zuHause2> that is way too short...
23:55:37  <Gonozal_VIII> well... a slope is only 1 tile long
23:56:00  <Eddi|zuHause2> and this would be completely not an issue if you have arbitrary rails in tunnels
23:56:24  <Gonozal_VIII> and that's the tunnel/bridge thing i was talking about^^
23:56:26  <Eddi|zuHause2> (me looks in a definite direction ;))
23:58:32  <kyevan> Eddi|zuHause2: And signals, of course
23:58:43  <kyevan> And while we're at it, let's allow road junctions, too :P
23:59:20  <Eddi|zuHause2> "arbitrary rails" does include signals
23:59:35  <Eddi|zuHause2> but not road crossings, as those are road tiles
23:59:42  <Gonozal_VIII> but no bridges or tunnels inside the tunnel^^
23:59:55  <kyevan> Awww.

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