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00:01:08 *** |Bastiaan| [~Bastiaan@196-010-128-083.dynamic.caiway.nl] has joined #openttd 00:04:11 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: glx * r11855 /trunk/src/ (newgrf_house.cpp newgrf_house.h openttd.cpp town_cmd.cpp): -Fix [FS#1335]: recompute town population when removing a 'newhouses' grf, or when loading a game with missing 'newhouses' grfs 00:05:54 *** Zahl [~Zahl@p549F1F75.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Windows shutdown) ((~_~]"] 00:11:40 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: glx * r11856 /trunk/src/ (date.cpp stdafx.h): -Revert (r11772): since FS#1335 is solved, we do not need the extra checking and such anymore. 00:12:23 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-162-92.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 00:21:29 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 00:22:09 <Wolf01> 'night 00:22:16 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host197-237-dynamic.0-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 00:26:07 *** Jortuny [~Jortuny@cpe-24-58-13-44.twcny.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 00:44:14 *** Gekkko [~gekko@CPE-138-130-124-85.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 00:48:25 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r11857 /trunk/src/widgets/dropdown_type.h: -Fix: some compile time warnings. 01:08:15 *** |Bastiaan| [~Bastiaan@196-010-128-083.dynamic.caiway.nl] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 3.2.6 Anomalies http://www.kvirc.net/] 01:10:59 *** GoneWack1 [~gonewacko@dhcp-077-249-197-241.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 01:10:59 *** GoneWacko is now known as Guest3196 01:10:59 *** GoneWack1 is now known as GoneWacko 01:17:20 *** Guest3196 [~gonewacko@dhcp-077-249-197-241.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:19:51 *** Digitalfox_ [~chatzilla@bl7-182-47.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 01:21:51 *** Tlustoch [~last_evol@r5bn73.net.upc.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:22:12 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip24-250-60-200.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 01:22:44 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl7-191-115.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:31:37 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B77DC2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:37:21 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-154-115.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:38:05 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B77D8E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:50:01 *** Dominik [~Dominik@dslb-084-063-018-099.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:50:32 *** Dominik [~Dominik@dslb-084-063-018-099.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 01:57:45 *** lekro [~lekro@S01060014513484ae.ss.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 02:00:41 *** Tekky [~Tekky@p5493FADE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 02:08:35 *** Gekkko is now known as Gekz 02:10:08 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:10:08 *** roboman [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 02:11:25 *** Dominik [~Dominik@dslb-084-063-018-099.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:31:42 *** waldo_ [~waldo@ip-81-11-193-45.dsl.scarlet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:38:11 <ln-> i know a workaround for the nightlies Leopard issue. 02:38:29 <lws1984> WOAH 02:38:29 <lws1984> what? 02:38:30 <lws1984> do tell! 02:38:53 <ln-> what? you have a mac and you have an issue? 02:39:02 <lws1984> Yes, as in, nightlies don't work on Leopard 02:39:38 <ln-> according to very minimal testing, i propose the following workaround: use the PPC binary. 02:39:50 <lws1984> i'll try that once i feel like it... 02:41:28 <Sacro> damnit i need to sleep 02:41:34 <Sacro> instead i'm watching threshold 02:41:39 <Sacro> despite the fact i know it got cancelled 02:41:43 <Sacro> thus i'll never know the ending 02:54:17 <Jortuny> yeah, the ppc binary works fine 02:54:25 <Jortuny> (on leopard) 02:57:14 <Belugas> ln, yopu might want to share your findings and maybe your patches with bjarni an egladil 02:58:18 <ln-> there's no 24/7 bjarni here, unfortunately. 02:58:31 * roboman away 03:05:07 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-163-29.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 03:10:25 *** roboman [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:10:25 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 03:19:42 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 03:30:10 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@dhcp-077-249-197-241.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:49:43 *** Jortuny [~Jortuny@cpe-24-58-13-44.twcny.res.rr.com] has left #openttd [] 04:04:56 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i59F55FBC.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 04:07:36 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F54463.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:10:24 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:10:27 *** roboman [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 04:54:05 *** mcbane [~Maui_key@p5498D03A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:54:06 *** mcbane [~Maui_key@p5498CE4E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 04:57:19 *** Zavior [~zavior@d195-237-7-167.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 05:10:09 *** roboman [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:10:11 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 05:10:48 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip24-250-60-200.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Quit: >:3] 05:24:14 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-119-5.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:33:51 *** Gekz [~gekko@CPE-138-130-124-85.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 05:53:40 *** rygrass [~rygrass@125-237-46-186.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #openttd 06:01:21 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB5016.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 06:07:50 *** Osai^zZz [~Osai@pD9EB502C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:24:41 *** Deathmaker [~Miranda@dslb-082-083-223-134.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 06:29:31 *** Aerandir [magic.powe@90-230-201-111-no37.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 06:44:46 *** LA[lord] [~chatzilla@ip101.cab22.ltln.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 06:59:43 *** Zaviori [~zavior@d195-237-7-167.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 06:59:43 *** Zavior [~zavior@d195-237-7-167.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:00:16 *** Zavior [~zavior@d195-237-7-167.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 07:09:17 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:09:19 *** roboman [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 07:14:05 *** lekro [~lekro@S01060014513484ae.ss.shawcable.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 07:14:11 *** peter1138 [~petern@217.151.109.242] has joined #openttd 07:14:12 *** mode/#openttd [+o peter1138] by ChanServ 07:16:42 <peter1138> morning 07:17:09 <rygrass> afteernoon 07:18:02 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 07:19:43 *** roboman [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Pong Timeout] 07:19:48 *** roboman [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 07:23:20 <LA[lord]> morning 07:24:13 <LA[lord]> I managed to breath in a big quantity of CO thius morning.. 07:24:39 <LA[lord]> so I won't be going to school 07:24:47 <LA[lord]> atleast now... 07:24:56 *** Deathmaker [~Miranda@dslb-082-083-223-134.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:27:26 *** murray_ [murray@2001:5c0:8fff:fffe::78a9] has joined #openttd 07:27:26 *** murray [murray@2001:5c0:8fff:fffe::78a9] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:30:22 *** LA[lord]_ [~chatzilla@ip157.cab20.ltln.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 07:32:02 <peter1138> er, whoops? 07:35:59 *** Zavior [~zavior@d195-237-7-167.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:35:59 *** Zaviori [~zavior@d195-237-7-167.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:36:04 *** Zavior [~zavior@d195-237-7-167.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 07:36:18 *** Zaviori [~zavior@d195-237-7-167.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 07:36:42 *** LA[lord] [~chatzilla@ip101.cab22.ltln.starman.ee] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:42:11 <SpComb> Logs: http://spbot.marttila.de:8120/logs/oftc-ottd (old: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd ) 07:42:11 <LA[lord]_> !logs 07:50:17 *** LA[lord]_ is now known as LA[lord] 07:53:22 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-108-75.fttx.bbned.nl] has joined #openttd 07:55:16 *** mikl [~mikl@0x5733cec6.bynxx19.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 08:01:25 *** shodan [user@xerxes.foocode.net] has joined #openttd 08:02:27 *** gfldex [~dex@dslb-088-074-167-040.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 08:04:22 *** gfldex_ [~dex@dslb-088-074-162-103.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:08:03 *** roboman [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:08:09 *** robotboy [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 08:14:34 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r11858 /trunk/src/widgets/dropdown.cpp: -Fix (r1679): Mask and rule colour in drop down lists using wrong source value. (r1679 partially reverted r1368) 08:15:11 *** canatella [dam@monk.cosinux.org] has quit [Quit: leaving] 08:25:16 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB5016.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai] 08:28:27 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:28:33 *** Dark_Link^ [~glidegame@fw.dormnet.his.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:42:29 *** peter1138 [~petern@217.151.109.242] has quit [Quit: bwaaahahaha, te eeeh eeehee boingk!] 08:46:24 *** LA[lord] [~chatzilla@ip157.cab20.ltln.starman.ee] has quit [Quit: Gonna have some more CO] 08:59:36 *** LA[lord] [~chatzilla@ip157.cab20.ltln.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 09:00:14 *** Zavior [~zavior@d195-237-7-167.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.1 :: www.regroup-esports.com )] 09:05:26 *** LA[lord] is now known as LA[no_school_today] 09:06:49 * Rubidium ponders what 'a big quantity' is 09:07:06 *** peter_ [~peter@petern.bnsnet.co.uk] has joined #openttd 09:07:18 *** robotboy [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:07:24 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 09:09:24 *** peter_ [~peter@petern.bnsnet.co.uk] has quit [] 09:09:28 *** peter1138 [~petern@petern.bnsnet.co.uk] has joined #openttd 09:09:31 *** mode/#openttd [+o peter1138] by ChanServ 09:14:37 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 09:23:30 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has joined #openttd 09:25:10 <SmatZ> morning 09:26:32 *** LA[no_school_today] [~chatzilla@ip157.cab20.ltln.starman.ee] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:36:56 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 09:55:39 *** LA[no_school_today] [~chatzilla@ip157.cab20.ltln.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 09:56:12 *** LA[no_school_today] is now known as LA[no_school_today-CO_smells_g 09:56:31 *** LA[no_school_today-CO_smells_g is now known as LA[no_school_today] 09:58:21 *** Zaviori [~zavior@d195-237-7-167.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:02:32 *** Zavior [~zavior@d195-237-7-167.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 10:14:53 *** rygrass [~rygrass@125-237-46-186.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has quit [Quit: Quitting] 10:22:24 *** Frostregen_ [~sucks@dslb-084-058-167-004.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 10:27:53 *** dan_ [dan@thelxinoe.omnicea.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:28:03 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-179-070.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 10:28:04 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 10:28:13 <egladil> [15 03:57 CET] Belugas ln, yopu might want to share your findings and maybe your patches with bjarni an egladil <== share :) 10:37:18 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r11859 /trunk/src/ (newgrf_station.cpp newgrf_station.h rail_gui.cpp): -Codechange: Update newgrf station class dropdown to use new method of generating list. 10:39:32 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-163-29.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Quit: The ending changes tone & is actually quite sad - but it involves a scene of necrophilia, so that's just another plus in my book.....] 10:43:27 *** Forked [~kjetil@static243-191-234.adsl.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:44:29 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B81E27.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:46:32 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B8174F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 10:46:34 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 10:49:23 *** murray_ is now known as murr4y 10:51:26 *** Forked [~kjetil@static243-191-234.adsl.no] has joined #openttd 10:52:27 *** Zavior [~zavior@d195-237-7-167.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:52:42 *** Zavior [~zavior@d195-237-7-167.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 10:53:24 *** Zaviori [~zavior@d195-237-7-167.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 10:59:48 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@ip-62-143-77-110.1311A-CUD12K-02.ish.de] has joined #openttd 11:01:28 <ln-> egladil: the nightlies cannot be executed on Leopard, http://lists.apple.com/archives/X11-users/2007/Dec/msg00332.html 11:01:52 *** rave [~user@86.155.143.64] has joined #openttd 11:01:58 <rave> hi 11:02:43 *** rave [~user@86.155.143.64] has quit [] 11:03:31 <egladil> okies 11:03:45 <peter1138> ... 11:04:11 <egladil> that means the compile farm has to be updated (again)... 11:05:19 *** mikl [~mikl@0x5733cec6.bynxx19.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:05:33 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 11:12:27 *** Zavior [~zavior@d195-237-7-167.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:12:27 *** Zaviori [~zavior@d195-237-7-167.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:13:52 *** rave [~user@86.155.143.64] has joined #openttd 11:18:19 *** AntB [~AntB-UK@host81-141-195-120.wlms-broadband.com] has joined #openttd 11:20:14 *** mikl [~mikl@0x5733cec6.bynxx19.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 11:27:58 *** eQualizer [~lauri@dyn15-194.dsl.spy.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:33:52 *** dihedral [~dihedral@joshua.dihedral.de] has joined #openttd 11:34:57 <dihedral> good (?:(?:mor|eve)ning|afternoon) 11:35:48 <peter1138> good day 11:36:07 <Forked> g'day :) 11:36:29 <Rubidium> oh noes 11:37:16 <peter1138> oh? 11:37:42 <Rubidium> isn't 'oh noes' #openttd slang for hello? 11:38:08 *** eQualizer [~lauri@dyn15-194.dsl.spy.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 11:38:23 <peter1138> i don't know 11:39:19 <pv2b> dihedral: add good day and good night to that regex :-) 11:43:31 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r11860 /trunk/src/station_cmd.cpp: -Fix: Test station class validity against number of classes, not abosolute limit. 11:45:10 <dihedral> anybody got a good idea how i can split an integer into all separate bits? 11:45:18 <LA[no_school_today]> nope:P 11:45:25 <dihedral> go to school LA 11:45:34 <LA[no_school_today]> can't 11:45:42 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r11861 /trunk/src/tunnelbridge_cmd.cpp: -Fix: do not call rail specific functions when removing road tunnel/bridge 11:45:48 <dihedral> you can - you just dont _have_ to 11:45:54 <LA[no_school_today]> I breathed in alot CO this morning, and I'm kinda out of rails today 11:46:13 <LA[no_school_today]> so I have to, but can't 11:46:15 <dihedral> co? 11:46:22 <LA[no_school_today]> like CO2 11:46:26 <SmatZ> LA[no_school_today]: do you breath CO for fun? 11:46:27 <dihedral> carbon monoxide? 11:46:34 <LA[no_school_today]> yup 11:46:47 <dihedral> have another snuff - obviously was not enough 11:46:54 <SmatZ> :D 11:47:07 <dihedral> :-P 11:47:18 <dihedral> c'mon you code junkies... 11:47:21 <LA[no_school_today]> actually my brother tried cooking and it didn't work out so well.. And he didn't open the windows 11:47:26 <SmatZ> :-x 11:47:34 <LA[no_school_today]> so I woke up in a blue smoke 11:47:53 *** Dominik [~Dominik@dslb-084-063-054-035.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 11:47:56 <dihedral> interger split up into it's bits 11:48:01 <pv2b> dihedral: an integer into seperate bits? 11:48:02 <dihedral> fast and efficient 11:48:10 <dihedral> 5 = 4 and 1 11:48:13 <pv2b> the naive way would be something like 11:48:48 <dihedral> and processing a string is the last thing i want to do 11:49:01 <pv2b> def tobinary(x) { if (x & 1) s = "1"; else s = "0"; return tobinary(x>>2).s; } 11:50:00 *** Flyinglord^ [~qfh@vs161163.vserver.de] has quit [Quit: Quit] 11:50:01 <dihedral> yes - and i want to process that for i dont know how high it goes 11:50:16 <pv2b> dihedral: what do you mean? 11:50:43 <dihedral> i dont want to process it like that 11:51:02 <pv2b> you can just keep it around in an integer and process it bit by bit. accessing individual bits in an integer isn't that hard 11:51:20 <dihedral> yes - but isn't that nice either 11:51:23 <dihedral> ^^ 11:51:37 <pv2b> !!(x & (1 << n)) where n is the integer will give you the binary digit at the position n in the integer x 11:52:00 <pv2b> you can wrap that in some syntactic sugar if you want 11:52:05 <pv2b> depends which language you're writing in 11:52:27 <dihedral> a language that actually does not have all that much 'syntactic sugar' 11:52:30 <dihedral> php ^^ 11:52:40 <pv2b> oh. :-) 11:52:56 <pv2b> even php has functions though 11:53:08 <dihedral> it close to _only_ has functions 11:54:04 <pv2b> get_bit(x,n) { return (x & (1<<n)) ? 1 : 0; } 11:54:14 <pv2b> my php is syntax is a bit rusty but you know what i mean 11:55:47 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C3D9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:56:23 <pv2b> or just write it in pic assembler instead. then you can use BSF, BCF, BTFSS and BTFSC ;-) 11:56:38 <dihedral> lol 11:57:45 <pv2b> btw, counting the number of digits in a binary number is pretty easy to do with a binary (pun not intended) search 11:57:54 <pv2b> or if you're lazy you could just use a logarithm 12:03:00 <dihedral> and the highest set bit? 12:03:15 <dihedral> so in your example n = 0 to highest set bit 12:03:47 <pv2b> highest set bit in php 12:03:50 <dihedral> the ugliest i could think of would be strlen( bindec( x ) ) 12:03:56 <pv2b> floor(log(x, 2)) 12:03:57 <pv2b> ;-) 12:04:31 <pv2b> that might not work very well though, floating point rounding and stuff 12:04:32 <dihedral> for the example of 5 that retunes 2 12:04:42 <dihedral> and that clearly is not correct ^^ 12:04:54 <pv2b> 5 = 101 12:04:57 <pv2b> bit number 2 is the msb 12:05:05 <dihedral> right 12:05:06 <dihedral> hehe 12:05:07 <dihedral> true 12:05:12 * dihedral slaps himself 12:05:21 <pv2b> but don't actually use that method, you'll run into trouble with large numbers 12:05:50 <pv2b> can you describe what you're trying to do rather than asking how to do what you think is the right solution? :-) 12:06:02 <dihedral> ^^ 12:06:41 <dihedral> i have a table in an sql db where a history is stored of actions done via the admin frontend 12:07:09 <dihedral> actions are stored bit wise 12:07:19 <pv2b> what's the structure of the bitfield? 12:07:26 <dihedral> so - reading a certain customer ticket could be action 4 12:07:29 <dihedral> writing = 1 12:07:43 <dihedral> so changing the ticket = 5 12:07:55 <pv2b> so, why don't you just do something like 12:08:00 <reto_> hmm.. why do you store bitfileds in a sql table? 12:08:18 <reto_> why don't you use boolean fields? 12:08:20 <pv2b> ticket_read = bf & 4 12:08:25 <pv2b> ticket_written = bf & 1 12:08:31 <dihedral> action & 5 in the sql statement to get the last write access of customer tickets 12:08:32 <reto_> I have just read the last sentence, I dont no the context 12:08:38 <dihedral> will also return 4 12:08:39 <dihedral> because 5 & 4 = 4 12:08:51 <peter1138> bit :D 12:08:55 <peter1138> stores a 1 or a 0 12:09:02 <peter1138> let the sql server handle the storage 12:09:12 <peter1138> on the other hand 12:09:22 <pv2b> peter1138: i don't think he's in the position to change the schema :-/ 12:09:39 <peter1138> i've know people store boolean values as varchars with the values "True" and "False" ... 12:09:41 <peter1138> +n 12:09:50 <dihedral> ouch 12:09:51 <dihedral> no 12:09:55 <reto_> :) 12:09:56 <dihedral> it's an integer field 12:09:57 <pv2b> peter1138: :-D.. 12:10:04 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-162-92.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: ThePizzaKing] 12:10:19 <dihedral> makes it easier to read when you need to run selects on the command line ^^ 12:10:32 <reto_> a great 12:10:36 <pv2b> dihedral: ok, so you have the integer field. now what do you want to know about it? whether somebody wrote to the customer record or what? 12:10:45 <dihedral> it's easier to catch it in the method that builds the query 12:10:56 <reto_> lets wag the dog 12:11:06 <dihedral> i want to get the last write access for a certain action 12:11:22 <dihedral> as there are custom action 'ids' 12:11:27 <dihedral> i.e. > 1024 12:11:46 <dihedral> which will be defined by 1024 | 4 = custom action of customer ticket 12:11:53 <pv2b> hm 12:12:02 <dihedral> 1024 | 4 | 1 = custom action of customer ticket was a write ^^ 12:12:34 <dihedral> assume 1024 was a note one could attach to the ticket 12:12:42 <dihedral> then 1024 | 4 was read 12:12:48 <dihedral> 1024 | 4 | 1 was write 12:13:00 <dihedral> and 1024 | 8 could be something completetly different ^^ 12:13:05 <pv2b> that sounds like a rather convoluted design 12:13:18 <peter1138> let's store openttd's data in sql! 12:13:18 <pv2b> or you're not explaining it so i understand it :-) 12:13:30 <dihedral> that could well be true ^^ 12:13:37 <dihedral> both in fact could be true ^^ 12:14:02 <pv2b> i'm not an epert with SQL but couldn't you use a SQL where clause to test for that? 12:14:11 <pv2b> or doesnt the WHERE clause support bitwise operators? 12:14:17 <dihedral> yes 12:14:24 <dihedral> that is what i tried to explain earlier 12:14:29 <dihedral> say field = 4 12:14:36 <dihedral> and i do where field & 5 12:14:48 <dihedral> i still get the records returned where field = 4 12:14:52 <dihedral> as 4 & 5 = 4 12:15:00 <pv2b> yes. 12:15:04 <pv2b> so what's the problem? :-) 12:15:09 <dihedral> but i also want to know about the fields where &1024 12:15:13 <dihedral> or greater 12:15:33 <dihedral> so rather than changing a bunch of code or the db and a bunch of code 12:15:37 <pv2b> can't you just do <pseudo code) WHERE (field&1023) & 5 12:15:49 <dihedral> i thought i'd split up the int when it hits the method where the statement is built 12:15:58 <pv2b> or WHERE (field & 5) OR field > 1024 12:16:18 <dihedral> the method only is passed one int 12:16:25 <dihedral> hence i want to split it up 12:16:33 <pv2b> so.... split it up 12:16:54 <dihedral> so then i can build a where field = bit for every bit set in int 12:17:00 <dihedral> sorry 12:17:03 <dihedral> where field & bit 12:17:19 <pv2b> or just or the bits together frst 12:17:25 <dihedral> i.e. select * from table where field & 1 and field & 4 12:17:35 <pv2b> whre field & 5 == 5 12:17:40 <dihedral> field & (1|4) 12:18:02 <pv2b> field & 5 isn't the same as field & 5 = 5 12:18:03 <dihedral> with == 5 i deont get those fields that are 1024 | 4 | 1 12:18:14 <dihedral> and it does not end with 1024 12:18:26 <pv2b> so then use an or. 12:18:52 <dihedral> it does not give the the result's that i am looking for in the sql select 12:20:13 <pv2b> ok, just a minute. you want to find lines in the table where bitfield matches which conditions (in plain english) 12:20:29 <dihedral> yep 12:20:41 <dihedral> but 4 & 5 is a match 12:20:50 <pv2b> that was not plain english 12:20:54 <pv2b> what do you want to look for 12:21:13 <dihedral> where every bit in 5 is set 12:21:23 <pv2b> field & 5 == 5 12:21:28 <dihedral> no 12:21:31 <pv2b> yes 12:21:41 <dihedral> because then 1024 | 4 | 1 will not match 12:21:44 <pv2b> yes it will 12:21:53 <pv2b> 1024|4|1 & 5 == 5 12:23:24 <pv2b> per-von-zweigbergks-powerbook-g4-15:~ pvz$ php -r 'print (1024|4|1)&5;print "\n";' 12:23:28 <pv2b> 5 12:23:42 * dihedral slaps himself again 12:23:54 <dihedral> heh - i have a g4 powerbook 12" 12:23:55 <dihedral> ^^ 12:25:04 <dihedral> thanks pv2b... 12:25:07 <pv2b> np :-) 12:25:17 <dihedral> dont ask me why i was thinking it would not work... 12:25:24 <pv2b> php rots your brain 12:25:30 <pv2b> that's why 12:25:33 <dihedral> LOL 12:25:44 <pv2b> perfecly intelligent people become iditos when coding in php :-) 12:26:26 <dihedral> thanks a bunch 12:29:20 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm125.epsilon121.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 12:39:23 <dihedral> !players 12:39:31 <dihedral> !playercount 12:39:36 <dihedral> oh 12:39:38 <dihedral> heh 12:39:40 * dihedral smiles 12:41:18 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@dhcp-077-249-197-241.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 12:48:04 *** shodan [user@xerxes.foocode.net] has quit [Quit: Client Exiting] 12:58:21 <roboboy> gnight soon 12:58:32 <dihedral> who is 'soon'? 12:59:22 <Rubidium> maybe it's his imported Thai wife 12:59:39 <dihedral> lol 13:01:35 <dihedral> the sentance i link to the word 'soon' and this channel is 'not in the near future' ^^ 13:03:16 *** frosch123 [~mtce@kolmogoroff.math.tu-clausthal.de] has joined #openttd 13:03:56 <frosch123> Hello everyone 13:04:14 <dihedral> quak 13:04:36 <Rubidium> do I hear a duck tour there? 13:05:40 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-167-004.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: und weg] 13:07:10 <LA[no_school_today]> no, rubidium, it was dih 13:07:16 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@users.kollegienet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:07:23 *** Deathmaker [~Miranda@dslb-082-083-203-121.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 13:07:39 * LA[no_school_today] can't say 'just dih' :S 13:07:52 *** LA[no_school_today] is now known as LA[lord] 13:09:46 <dihedral> Rubidium: you want to tell me where you get the link between FROSH123 and a DUCK? 13:10:12 <Rubidium> dihedral: no, I can tell you the link between 'quak' and duck tour though 13:12:24 <dihedral> i used the german 13:12:43 <dihedral> so you confuse german frogs with ducks? 13:13:17 <Rubidium> no, I assumed English (with a typo) 13:13:54 <Rubidium> quak -> quack -> a sound closely related to the duck tours 13:14:25 *** Zahl [~Zahl@p549F1BEB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 13:14:43 *** divo [~asd@0x4dd443c6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 13:14:43 *** AntB is now known as Guest3236 13:14:46 *** AntB [~AntB-UK@host81-141-195-29.wlms-broadband.com] has joined #openttd 13:15:35 <dihedral> i can understand that 13:15:46 <dihedral> i mix up japanese and chinese too ^^ 13:16:33 <Rubidium> that's not hard because they share a fair share of Kanji 13:17:52 *** AntB is now known as Guest3237 13:17:55 *** AntB [~AntB-UK@host81-141-195-94.wlms-broadband.com] has joined #openttd 13:18:13 <roboboy> when did the saving still in progress please wait message get added? Does it matter if one closes i, and what does it actually mean by please wait? 13:19:22 <frosch123> roboboy: The debug feature you mention was removed last night, just wait for the next nightly. 13:19:59 <roboboy> ok 13:20:02 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r11862 /trunk/src/ (8 files in 2 dirs): 13:20:02 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Fix [FS#1559]: when two NewGRFs 'fight' to define the same cargo it could 13:20:02 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: happen that the strings are defined by one cargo and the 'action2' by another 13:20:02 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: and when one assumes that both come from the same NewGRF... So store the GRF ID 13:20:02 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: with the strings. To be extra sure add the same protection mechanism to 13:20:03 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: industries and towns too. 13:21:04 *** Guest3236 [~AntB-UK@host81-141-195-120.wlms-broadband.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:21:10 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r11863 /trunk/src/widgets/dropdown.cpp: -Fix (r11848): One day I'll learn C++... Delete all items in a drop down list before deleting the list. 13:23:23 *** Guest3237 [~AntB-UK@host81-141-195-29.wlms-broadband.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:33:11 <roboboy> I wonder if I cn get a real media plugin for firefox without installing realplayer 13:34:06 <roboboy> gnight 13:34:25 * Hendikins plays a 64x2048 map 13:34:39 <peter1138> :o 13:35:10 <Hendikins> I've got one loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong island 13:35:38 <Hendikins> Which is actually going to be quite fun to play with once I clear off my debt and get a line running end to end 13:36:10 <keyweed> an no need for large complicated hubs 13:36:12 <keyweed> *and 13:36:45 <roboboy> I once tried it with a loop and each station was a cross member 13:36:58 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@users.kollegienet.dk] has joined #openttd 13:37:07 <Hendikins> keyweed: Just one long main line, balloon loop at each end, and some branches 13:37:17 <keyweed> Hendikins: yup. that will work 13:37:33 <keyweed> Hendikins: untill you reach the maximum capacity of your long main line 13:37:52 <Hendikins> So you quad track it and have stuff going from one branch to another 13:37:59 <Hendikins> It can be made to work :) 13:38:22 <keyweed> yeah. i think it will. 13:38:34 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:39:11 <Hendikins> Might require being a bit creative 13:43:04 <LA[lord]> Hendikins: how many industries/towns? 13:43:17 <Hendikins> LA[lord]: High/Normal 13:44:52 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 13:44:54 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:45:12 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:46:19 <Forked> hmm me and a buddy have a co-op 8192x128 going :) 13:46:38 *** pavel1269 [~pavel.g@48.140.broadband2.iol.cz] has joined #openttd 13:48:20 * Hendikins makes use of DebtMax technology to speed things up 13:50:47 <Eddi|zuHause3> for my next game i need industries with little output and villages that have near to no growth 13:50:59 <Eddi|zuHause3> then play with high/high 13:51:23 <Eddi|zuHause3> so i can actually have small branch lines and truck transport to hub stations 13:53:03 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@users.kollegienet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:56:03 <Hendikins> mmmm, 5 coal mines close together and quite a distance from where I'm dumping the coal. mmmmmmmmmmm. 13:57:45 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@users.kollegienet.dk] has joined #openttd 13:59:22 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-167-004.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 14:04:20 *** AntB is now known as Guest3240 14:04:23 *** AntB [~AntB-UK@host81-141-195-94.wlms-broadband.com] has joined #openttd 14:04:26 <rave> is it distance between the resources or distance between the stations that affects profit? 14:04:47 <Eddi|zuHause3> stations 14:05:06 <Eddi|zuHause3> Hendikins: yeah, that is the plan ;) 14:05:36 <rave> are you sure? wow 14:05:38 <LA[lord]> anyone familiar with a program graphics gale? 14:05:46 <Eddi|zuHause3> rave: yes i'm sure 14:06:10 <rave> thanks 14:06:58 *** Deathmaker [~Miranda@dslb-082-083-203-121.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:10:25 *** Greyscale [bnc@81.171.136.146] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 14:10:39 *** Guest3240 [~AntB-UK@host81-141-195-94.wlms-broadband.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:13:11 *** Greyscale [bnc@81.171.136.146] has joined #openttd 14:18:44 *** Gonozal_VIII [user@cm56-182-132.liwest.at] has joined #openttd 14:22:16 <LA[lord]> hey Gonozal_VIII :) 14:23:12 <Gonozal_VIII> hi 14:24:48 * Hendikins watches his train profits jump 7x within 2 years 14:24:55 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-119-5.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 14:25:34 <Gonozal_VIII> jump? 14:26:29 <Gonozal_VIII> sacro, jumpQ 14:26:31 <Gonozal_VIII> ! 14:26:54 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-119-5.karoo.KCOM.COM] has left #openttd [] 14:26:54 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-119-5.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 14:27:00 <Gonozal_VIII> hehehehehe 14:27:24 <Gonozal_VIII> yay, if i say jump he jumps 14:27:37 <Eddi|zuHause3> at least you have to give him a dog-cookie now 14:27:37 <Sacro> :( 14:27:48 <Eddi|zuHause3> see his face? 14:28:07 * Gonozal_VIII gives sacro a cookie 14:28:20 <Sacro> ^^ 14:28:25 <Sacro> omnomnom 14:29:10 <Gonozal_VIII> can you recycle empty cyanide bottles? 14:29:33 <Gonozal_VIII> got some here from my last cookie baking.. 14:30:10 <Hendikins> Gonozal_VIII: 0k to ~.2mil within 2 years. Not huge sums, but for a new/small company, not bad either. 14:30:24 <Gonozal_VIII> ah i see 14:30:44 * Hendikins pieces his trunk line together 14:30:52 <Gonozal_VIII> mine often jump infinity times in 1920 14:33:20 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 14:41:24 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm125.epsilon121.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [] 14:47:18 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB7B48.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:49:18 <frosch123> DaleStan: Is there an easy way to find out whether variables in /inc/newvehdata.inc are signed or unsigned? Except looking at the code where they are used. 14:55:32 <DaleStan> frosch123: Not really, but TTDPatch, for most purposes, only does signed integers in the same places that TTD does them. 14:55:56 <frosch123> thanks 14:59:12 *** lekro [~lekro@S01060014513484ae.ss.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 15:00:14 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r11864 /trunk/src/ (9 files): -Codechange: pass owner whose signals we will update instead of complex detection later 15:03:39 *** Nukebuster [~wouter@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 15:09:55 <ln-> http://www.ethnio.com/blog/uploaded_images/Untitled-1-717289.jpg 15:10:20 <Gonozal_VIII> hehehe 15:10:27 <rave> does the cargo delivery timer start when a train leaves a station or arrives? 15:10:49 <Gonozal_VIII> when it finishes loading 15:11:35 <rave> even if there isn't cargo waiting at the station? 15:12:04 <Gonozal_VIII> why would it matter then? 15:12:16 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~dex@i577B75E3.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:12:26 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~dex@i577B75E3.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 15:12:33 <dihedral> LOL ln- 15:12:59 <Gonozal_VIII> oh, you got the rest of your nick back dih 15:13:53 *** Farden [jk3farden@freenull.net] has joined #openttd 15:14:56 *** dihedral is now known as dih 15:15:05 <dih> ^^ 15:18:40 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-1-162.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 15:19:05 *** Nukebuster [~wouter@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:19:19 <Hendikins> Hrm, 412 days in each direction 15:20:48 <Hendikins> At 144km/h 15:21:43 <Gonozal_VIII> @calc 412*24*144 15:21:43 <DorpsGek> Gonozal_VIII: 1423872 15:22:28 <Hendikins> 1.4 million km. Impressive. 15:22:57 <Hendikins> Probably better suited to maglev though 15:23:06 <Gonozal_VIII> @calc 1423872/40075 15:23:07 <DorpsGek> Gonozal_VIII: 35.5301809108 15:23:21 <Gonozal_VIII> 35,5times around the world :-) 15:24:34 *** LA[lord] [~chatzilla@ip157.cab20.ltln.starman.ee] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:24:57 *** nzvip [~svip@192.38.109.188] has joined #openttd 15:29:22 *** fjb [~frank@p5485FECC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:29:27 <fjb> Moin 15:29:47 <dih> moin 15:30:05 <Gonozal_VIII> ii 15:30:08 <Gonozal_VIII> hi 15:31:19 <Gonozal_VIII> dbset is very chaotic 15:31:31 <Gonozal_VIII> xl 15:31:31 <fjb> :-) 15:31:42 <fjb> In what way? 15:31:57 <Gonozal_VIII> i tried to extract only the transrapid 15:32:28 <Gonozal_VIII> parts of that are all over the place... 15:32:33 <fjb> Oh, you mean the source. 15:33:43 <fjb> I guess Michael never intended that somebody looks into the grf. 15:33:45 <dih> @seen Bjarni 15:33:45 <DorpsGek> dih: Bjarni was last seen in #openttd 15 hours, 41 minutes, and 11 seconds ago: <Bjarni> goodnight 15:34:16 *** mikl [~mikl@0x5733cec6.bynxx19.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 15:34:34 *** Diabolic1Angel [~dia@ip-62-143-77-110.1311A-CUD12K-02.ish.de] has joined #openttd 15:36:22 <Gonozal_VIII> i guess he had comments... 15:37:14 <Rubidium> and a preprocessor 15:37:20 <fjb> Maybe he stripped them before releasing the grf. 15:37:26 <fjb> :-) 15:37:42 <Rubidium> there are two types of comments and only one gets into the grf 15:37:44 <Gonozal_VIII> the normal // comments are removed by the codec 15:38:04 <Ammler> Action 0c 15:38:43 <dih> hello Ammler 15:38:49 <Ammler> :) 15:38:56 <dih> how was it? 15:39:04 <Ammler> how was what? 15:39:07 <Gonozal_VIII> what's a preprocessor? 15:39:10 <dih> that swiss army stuff 15:39:16 <fjb> I saw and nfo assembler and a kind of compiler released the last weeks. Is anybody using them? 15:39:17 <Ammler> suxx 15:39:22 <dih> still on? 15:39:32 <Ammler> hmm, not atm 15:39:49 <Ammler> but I need still about 30 days to spent there 15:39:50 <Eddi|zuHause3> fjb: the "compiler" is hardly finished... 15:40:02 <dih> you get to go home in the evenings? 15:40:20 <Gonozal_VIII> grf2html helps a lot with reading grfs 15:40:20 <Ammler> not usually, but you can get a permission 15:40:34 <fjb> Gonozal_VIII: Something like that: http://www.gnu.org/software/m4/m4.html 15:41:02 <fjb> Eddi|zuHause3: Ah, you are the author of the compiler. I didn't look at it yet. 15:41:08 <Ammler> those 30 days will be spent there later (sommer or next year), for now, I am done :-) 15:41:25 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@ip-62-143-77-110.1311A-CUD12K-02.ish.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:41:50 <Eddi|zuHause3> swiss army... that always reminds me of that movie... 15:41:54 <Gonozal_VIII> you have to spend 30 days in the swiss army? 15:42:05 <Eddi|zuHause3> "Achtung! Fertig! Charlie!" or so 15:42:44 <rave> @help 15:42:44 <DorpsGek> rave: help [<plugin>] [<command>] 15:42:54 <rave> help 15:42:55 <Gonozal_VIII> do you have your own rifle to take home and shoot rats and guys that scratch your car with? 15:43:13 <Ammler> Eddi|zuHause3: that was extreme, but quite real... 15:44:18 <Gonozal_VIII> sig 500 or something like that 15:46:13 * fjb can't await the next release of the new pbs patch. 15:46:37 <Gonozal_VIII> yes, that sounds promising 15:46:48 <fjb> It is fun to toy with. 15:48:11 <Gonozal_VIII> i think presignals have to be removed for that, that just can't work with default red 15:48:50 <fjb> I didn't have the urge to use presignals with pbs. 15:48:50 <Eddi|zuHause3> why? presignals are mostly ignored, and show the state of the next real signal 15:49:33 <Gonozal_VIII> hmmm 15:49:47 <fjb> The common use of signals in TTD is not related to the real working of signals. 15:49:48 <Eddi|zuHause3> presignals should stay mostly for backwards compatibility 15:50:59 <Gonozal_VIII> i would just ditch signalling backwards compatibility with pbs 15:51:01 <fjb> I could live without that bakward compatibility. But I fear many will complin that the signals are not like they used to be. 15:51:41 <Gonozal_VIII> when loading an old game with that patch it should just convert all signals to pbs 15:51:57 <fjb> Mixing both signal systems would lead to chaos, I guess. 15:52:32 <Gonozal_VIII> all presignals.. not the defaults of course^^ 15:52:32 <Eddi|zuHause3> i would not allow mixing, but i would allow a setting for using/simulating the old system 15:53:32 <Gonozal_VIII> i guess a switch: default signal colour (red | green) should be enough 15:53:34 *** rave is now known as rave|wk 15:54:52 <Gonozal_VIII> could even work with presignals then 15:55:33 <Gonozal_VIII> well... not as intended... but without the locks that are there now 15:55:50 <Eddi|zuHause3> default red with the current signalling... you would never need green signals then 15:56:30 <Gonozal_VIII> no only for the pbs signals 15:56:30 <Eddi|zuHause3> because green means "signal is reserved by a train that has not passed yet" 15:57:19 <Gonozal_VIII> with green they would always be green yes... 15:57:57 <Eddi|zuHause3> i have no idea what you are talking about 15:58:02 <Gonozal_VIII> hehe 15:58:16 <Eddi|zuHause3> "should be enough" <- for what? 15:58:16 <Gonozal_VIII> pbs signals with default green are always green.. 15:58:44 <Gonozal_VIII> to avoid those ever red presignals 15:59:07 <Gonozal_VIII> and trains that won't come out of the depot 15:59:30 <Eddi|zuHause3> i told how to solve that 15:59:39 <fjb> "should be enough" always means for everybody. :-) 15:59:50 <Eddi|zuHause3> train ignores presignal 16:00:02 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-1-162.adslplus.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:00:18 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 16:00:25 <Eddi|zuHause3> presignal shows state of next real signal 16:00:56 <Gonozal_VIII> hmm it could try to reserve a path further if there is a presignal and if it can't the presignal turns red and the train stops there 16:01:14 <Eddi|zuHause3> if real signal turns out to show definite red (instead of idle red), train stops at presignal 16:01:34 <Gonozal_VIII> yes^^ 16:03:46 <fjb> Don't mix the real meaning of the term "presignal" and the the TTD meaning. That leads to confusion in discussions. 16:03:51 <Gonozal_VIII> but the presignal should turn green then... i guess users would complain if the train sometimes passes the red signal and sometimes not... and it turns green after the train passed because the next signal is green and things like that^^ 16:04:10 <Gonozal_VIII> there are no real presignals yet 16:05:46 <Gonozal_VIII> hmm how do you make priorities with pbs? 16:05:55 <Eddi|zuHause3> i'm talking about TTD (legacy) presignals 16:06:34 <orudge> TTD didn't have presignals 16:06:43 <Eddi|zuHause3> i know 16:07:31 <Eddi|zuHause3> but all TTD successors had them, and shared a similarly wrong nomenclature 16:10:32 <Eddi|zuHause3> what is called "presignal" should probably be renamed to something like "entrance signal" 16:11:10 <Eddi|zuHause3> "presignal" should come before the "entrance signal", and should signal "go slower, because next signal is red" 16:11:22 <Sacro> like a repeater? 16:11:56 <Eddi|zuHause3> i don't know what a repeater is 16:12:34 <Sacro> :( 16:13:05 <Gonozal_VIII> i think he means that yellow and double yellow signals he was talking about yesterday 16:13:22 <Sacro> kind of 16:13:29 <Sacro> except a repeater is tied to a main signal 16:14:00 <Gonozal_VIII> that could be a way to get rid of those unrealistic instant stops 16:14:19 <Sacro> yes, possibly 16:14:42 <Sacro> well a train could maybe slow to 66% on a double and 33% ona yellow 16:14:47 <Eddi|zuHause3> " Ist das Hauptsignal fÃŒr den TriebfahrzeugfÃŒhrer, z. B. in einem Gleisbogen, nicht innerhalb von 300 m zu sehen, stehen zwischen dem Vor- und dem Hauptsignal ein oder mehrere Vorsignalwiederholer (Lichtsignal)" 16:14:52 <Gonozal_VIII> it's kind of boring that no matter how bad you place your signals, your trains will never crash... 16:15:12 <Eddi|zuHause3> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bild:Vr0_Licht_Wiederholer.jpg 16:15:35 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@ip-62-143-77-110.1311A-CUD12K-02.ish.de] has joined #openttd 16:16:00 <Eddi|zuHause3> if i understand this correctly, the meanings are like follows: 16:16:12 <Eddi|zuHause3> double yellow: expect red 16:16:14 <Gonozal_VIII> there should be light crashes where both trains have a breakdown but without total destruction 16:16:19 <Eddi|zuHause3> double green: expect green 16:16:27 <Gonozal_VIII> or only the last wagon destroyed.. 16:16:32 <Eddi|zuHause3> yellow+green: expect slow green 16:17:04 <Eddi|zuHause3> repeating signals have a white light next to them 16:17:55 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause3: depending on country 16:18:06 <Eddi|zuHause3> of course ;) 16:18:18 <Sacro> german signalling confuses me 16:18:25 <Eddi|zuHause3> where would we get to if each country would not have at least one different system ;) 16:18:29 <Gonozal_VIII> sprites could always be changed, that's not the problem 16:18:41 <Eddi|zuHause3> germany has like 4 different signalling systems 16:19:32 <hylje> Eddi|zuHause3: counting the signaling-without-the-signals system for fast trains and crowded track? 16:19:45 <Sacro> britain has 2 16:19:52 <Eddi|zuHause3> hylje: i'm not really sure 16:20:30 <Sacro> hylje: moving block 16:22:19 <Sacro> bloody hell 16:22:24 *** Diabolic1Angel [~dia@ip-62-143-77-110.1311A-CUD12K-02.ish.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:22:26 <Eddi|zuHause3> "Signalsysteme: In Deutschland existieren derzeit bei der groÃen Bahn fÃŒnf verschiedene Signalsysteme" 16:22:30 <Sacro> US has red, yellow, green, white, blue, purple 16:24:03 <Gonozal_VIII> yellow and white... blue and purple... that's easy to misread with sunlight around 16:26:35 <hylje> F40PH 16:29:55 <Eddi|zuHause3> "Tip: Wer alle Signalsysteme auf einmal sehen will, fÀhrt nach Hamburg oder (noch besser) Berlin. Dort sieht (sah) man auf der S1 von Wannsee nach Oranienburg Ks-Signale im Bahnhof Wannsee, Sv-Signale auf der NordsÃŒdbahn, H/V-Licht- und Formsignale auf dem nördlichen Abschnitt und ab der Stadtgrenze bis Oranienburg Hl-Signale. 5 Signalsysteme entlang einer S-Bahn-Linie, die Formsignale sind jedoch 1992 abgebaut worden!" 16:30:28 <Gonozal_VIII> hehe 16:30:31 <hylje> aaaaa, the german!! 16:31:14 <Gonozal_VIII> tipp is written with 2p :-) 16:31:32 <ln-> ti2p? 16:31:40 <Eddi|zuHause3> it says there was a line in berlin where you could see 5 different signalling systems (not counting the "LZB" system without signals) 16:33:13 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A49B5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:33:46 * dih hides 16:34:06 * dih peeks to have a look if he can attack skidd13 16:34:13 <Gonozal_VIII> hi skidd15 16:34:28 <toet> pff cpu multi tasks ingame! >.> 16:34:36 <toet> ai* 16:34:37 <Gonozal_VIII> ski2d15 16:34:57 * skidd13 takes his machine gun out and spots possible enemys ;) 16:35:26 <skidd13> Gonozal_VIII: buy a new keyboard 16:35:34 <dih> ^^ 16:35:40 <Eddi|zuHause3> http://www.stellwerke.de/signal/deutsch/hv.html <- the most simple "Main-/Presignal" system, 3 signal states: "stop", "go" and "slow" 16:35:54 <Eddi|zuHause3> where "slow" means 40km/h unless otherwise stated 16:35:57 <dih> slow would be fun 16:36:03 *** Dark_Link^ [~glidegame@fw.dormnet.his.se] has joined #openttd 16:36:32 *** flaa [~flaa@dasni2819.ulapland.fi] has joined #openttd 16:36:35 *** flaa [~flaa@dasni2819.ulapland.fi] has left #openttd [] 16:36:48 *** flaa [~flaa@dasni2819.ulapland.fi] has joined #openttd 16:37:10 <flaa> O hai! http://mine.icanhascheezburger.com/View.aspx?OhaiIupgrade128448884085383750.jpg 16:37:29 <Eddi|zuHause3> yeah, upon reserving the track you could check wether you go along the branching side of a switch, and set signal state to "slow" then 16:38:16 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause3: i like that idea 16:38:24 <Sacro> we would need more signal graphics though 16:38:44 <dih> that should not be the hardest part 16:38:46 <Gonozal_VIII> they don't slow down to 40km/h on every switch.. 16:38:49 <Eddi|zuHause3> you have the pictures in the link, just draw them ;) 16:39:01 <dih> you have enough grf authors 16:39:16 <dih> LA would be happy to do something like that 16:39:36 *** frosch123 [~mtce@kolmogoroff.math.tu-clausthal.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:41:01 <flaa> sorry about the bad image quality. but it's the intention that matters ;3 16:41:06 <Eddi|zuHause3> http://www.stellwerke.de/signal/deutsch/magdeburg.html <- a "combo" signal, which is actually two signals at the same place 16:41:45 *** pavel1269 [~pavel.g@48.140.broadband2.iol.cz] has quit [] 16:42:46 <dih> here comes an ice - lets crash it ^^ 16:44:38 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 16:46:04 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause3: i actually kinda understand that now 16:46:05 <Sacro> though... 16:46:11 <Sacro> red + green is wrong 16:46:44 <Eddi|zuHause3> it is yellow+green 16:46:56 <Sacro> :o 16:46:59 <Sacro> that's scary 16:47:18 <Eddi|zuHause3> or orange+green on the presignal 16:47:24 <Gonozal_VIII> that's the special yellow that they use to grow oranges 16:48:15 <Sacro> implementing german signalling in openttd looks quite easy 16:48:30 *** helb_ [~helb@62.240.176.23] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:48:31 <Eddi|zuHause3> http://www.stellwerke.de/signal/deutsch/fs-beispiel.html <- examples 16:52:17 *** helb_ [~helb@62.240.176.23] has joined #openttd 16:53:52 <Eddi|zuHause3> it looks easy until you get to the more complicated systems :) 16:54:06 <Eddi|zuHause3> like this one of the east german railway: http://www.stellwerke.de/signal/deutsch/hl.html 16:54:18 *** pm|work [~chatzilla@devera.geophys.nat.tu-bs.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:54:24 <Eddi|zuHause3> it only consists of "combo" signals, where redundant lights may be left out 16:54:38 <Eddi|zuHause3> also has a java applet to show signal states 16:55:10 *** pm|work [~chatzilla@devera.geophys.nat.tu-bs.de] has joined #openttd 16:55:37 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r11865 /trunk/src/widgets/dropdown.cpp: -Feature(tte): Support scrolling of drop down lists when in drag mode by moving the pointer above or below the list. 16:57:04 *** tubul [~icechat5@82-170-7-78.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 17:00:34 <Gonozal_VIII> that system is nice 17:01:13 <Eddi|zuHause3> http://www.stellwerke.de/signal/deutsch/sv.html <- another type of "combo" signals, used in berlin and hamburg, basically the left half is the main signal, and the right half the presignal 17:02:03 *** Farden [jk3farden@freenull.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 17:02:47 <Sacro> shall i start a signal drawing project in the graphics forum? 17:02:47 *** svip [~svip@cpe.atm2-0-78233.0x535a2072.boanxx18.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:02:54 *** svip [~svip@cpe.atm2-0-78233.0x535a2072.boanxx18.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 17:03:43 *** tneo [~tneo@ip124-67-58-81.adsl.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 17:03:49 *** Dark_Link^ [~glidegame@fw.dormnet.his.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:03:51 <tneo> hello 17:04:00 <Gonozal_VIII> hi 17:04:18 <tneo> Can someone tell me about hard-coded features, that will make a city grow? 17:05:11 <tneo> For the openttdcoop servers I'm intending to write a guide on how to make a city grow 17:06:27 *** pavel1269 [~pavel.g@48.140.broadband2.iol.cz] has joined #openttd 17:07:02 *** Edd [~Ed@pool-71-249-55-185.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 17:07:09 <Eddi|zuHause3> http://www.stellwerke.de/signal/deutsch/sk.html <- the west german system for "combo" signals, each signal will only ever show one light, and have yellow or red plates to show wether it is a presignal, main signal or combo signal 17:07:21 *** AntB is now known as Guest3253 17:07:24 *** AntB [~AntB-UK@host81-141-195-94.wlms-broadband.com] has joined #openttd 17:07:56 *** lekro [~lekro@S01060014513484ae.ss.shawcable.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 17:09:07 *** Edd [~Ed@pool-71-249-55-185.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has quit [] 17:10:10 <Eddi|zuHause3> http://www.stellwerke.de/signal/deutsch/ks.html <- and then there is the "combo-combo" signal system, that tries to combine all 4 previous systems 17:10:57 *** rave|wk [~user@86.155.143.64] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 17:12:02 *** Guest3253 [~AntB-UK@host81-141-195-94.wlms-broadband.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:13:13 <Sacro> hmm, white spot means diverging 17:13:25 <Sacro> flashing green means slow down 17:13:49 <hylje> HALT 17:13:53 <hylje> HAMMERZEIT 17:14:46 <Gonozal_VIII> that would be stopp 17:15:30 *** rave [~user@86.155.143.64] has joined #openttd 17:16:25 *** AntB [~AntB-UK@host81-141-195-94.wlms-broadband.com] has quit [Quit: sister hijacking laptop >:(] 17:22:20 <Gonozal_VIII> http://www.der-eiserne-rhein.de/bilder/bauarbeiten_rheydt.jpg <-- repair thingy pulling three wagons? :S 17:22:41 <hylje> heh 17:24:33 *** Zr40 [~zr40@2001:960:786:0:21b:63ff:fe9e:ab24] has joined #openttd 17:30:07 *** Diabolic1Angel [~dia@ip-62-143-77-110.1311A-CUD12K-02.ish.de] has joined #openttd 17:32:15 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 17:32:28 *** AntB [~AntB-UK@host81-141-195-94.wlms-broadband.com] has joined #openttd 17:34:47 *** Lego-- [~Miranda@84.204.165.252] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:36:54 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@ip-62-143-77-110.1311A-CUD12K-02.ish.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:37:57 <rave> what port does openttd .6 on LAN use? 17:39:26 *** rave [~user@86.155.143.64] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 17:43:53 <glx> same as 0.5.x 17:43:57 <Zr40> he left 17:46:31 <fjb> Are there plans to implement the push/pull feature for trains? 17:46:52 <Gonozal_VIII> push/pull feature? 17:48:58 <fjb> A trains arrives at a station with the locomotion ahaead pulling it and then leaves it with the locomotion at the end of the train pushing it. 17:49:19 <hylje> no magically reversing trains 17:49:29 <Sacro> decouple and run around! 17:49:50 <fjb> Nobody does that today anymore... 17:50:06 <Gonozal_VIII> they push the trains all the time here 17:50:22 <Gonozal_VIII> push in one direction pull in the other 17:50:25 *** Dominik [~Dominik@dslb-084-063-054-035.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:50:29 <Gonozal_VIII> can't turn around anywhere 17:50:57 <Gonozal_VIII> that's the reason i had more than an hour delay today... 17:51:17 <fjb> Why? Did they try zo turn around? 17:51:33 <Sacro> they do run arounds here 17:51:41 *** peter1138 [~petern@petern.bnsnet.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 17:51:46 <Gonozal_VIII> the button/pedal/something that the driver has to push all the time to keep the train going in the back cabin thingy was broken 17:51:54 <hylje> i think most delays here (in long-distance) happen due to pendolinos failing to couple 17:52:56 <Gonozal_VIII> so the safety thing let the air out of the brake and the train stopped in the middle of nowhere and they couldn't get it to move again 17:53:14 <hylje> yay 17:53:34 <hylje> local traffic suffers from the occassional dead EMU 17:53:53 <Gonozal_VIII> it was a brand new 1116 17:54:12 <Gonozal_VIII> well... the wagons were older 17:55:57 <Gonozal_VIII> they had do get another engine and pull us back into the next station because there's only a single line and we were blocking everything 17:56:28 <hylje> hehe 17:56:29 <Gonozal_VIII> even a road, the train stopped at a crossing^^ 17:57:55 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A49B5.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [Ping timeout: Hmm ping sucks :D] 18:00:12 *** dih_ [~dihedral@dslb-084-057-234-250.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 18:00:57 *** dih is now known as Guest3257 18:00:57 *** dih_ is now known as dih 18:02:42 *** Guest3257 [~dihedral@joshua.dihedral.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:04:43 *** LA[lord] [~chatzilla@ip101.cab22.ltln.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 18:14:43 *** peter1138 [~petern@217.151.109.242] has joined #openttd 18:14:43 *** mode/#openttd [+o peter1138] by ChanServ 18:14:43 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:15:53 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A47061.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 18:17:03 <dih> in some trainsets there are 'break waggons' or 'caboose waggons' 18:17:40 <dih> will they have an affect on the 'loading' time 18:17:58 <dih> if they are the waggons that make the train too long? 18:18:04 <dih> i.e. end waggons 18:18:14 <glx> if they are outside platform yes 18:19:11 <Gonozal_VIII> the caboose wagons in serbian set are the ones i was trying to replace with transrapid 18:19:58 <peter1138> yes they do 18:20:09 <peter1138> but i have thought about that 18:20:21 <peter1138> if a wagon has no capacity, don't count it 18:20:33 <LA[lord]> same for engine then? 18:20:34 <peter1138> or something similar 18:20:44 <peter1138> possible 18:20:55 <peter1138> front engines don't matter nayway, heh 18:22:23 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host240-234-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 18:23:52 <Wolf01> hello 18:23:58 <Gonozal_VIII> hi 18:27:41 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A4CB9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:28:15 <LA[lord]> hello skidd 18:28:39 <Gonozal_VIII> 15 18:29:29 <LA[lord]> I avoided it.. 18:30:04 <Gonozal_VIII> skidd is abstract 18:31:51 <Forked> hmhm 18:34:14 <dih> would it not make more sense if only waggons to be filled had an influence? 18:35:13 <dih> and only influence loading time if the waggon going to be filled is not in the platform 18:35:48 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@users.kollegienet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:36:03 <dih> glx, peter1138: last 2 lines are for you ^^ 18:36:04 <fjb> Or build platforms long enough. :-) 18:36:19 <dih> fjb: there is a reason why 18:36:39 <Gonozal_VIII> disabe long trains ;-) 18:36:50 <dih> if you have one waggon sticking out in the end of the station you can have 18:37:03 <dih> normal signal - exit signal 18:37:25 <dih> the waggon sticking out of the station will turn the normal signal red and the exit signal too 18:37:33 <Forked> hm. any newgrfs with atomic waste as a product? and maybe even gives you minus to town rating if you use it on a track too close? 18:37:43 <Gonozal_VIII> ah i see, faster green 18:37:57 <dih> once the train starts moving, the normal signal remains red but the exit signal turns green, telling trains waiting at a pre signal to move in 18:38:24 <fjb> Forked: Not that I know about any such grf, but it was discussed to make such a grf. 18:38:29 <peter1138> now that's a nasty hack :o 18:38:39 <Forked> fjb: ok :) thanks 18:38:44 <dih> peter1138: it's useful though 18:38:57 <dih> and it's not so nasty 18:39:03 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 18:39:04 <dih> you are only working with what is available 18:39:16 <dih> and making the best out of that 18:39:28 <dih> i think the english expression is "make do" ^^ 18:40:36 <peter1138> demand pbs :D 18:40:51 <dih> peter1138: how hard would it be to add checks that the loading time is only influenced it the waggon we are currently loading is not in the station? 18:41:07 <dih> *if 18:41:25 <dih> and pbs would not solve it 18:41:46 <dih> as a train would still be in the pbs block until it's left the station and passed the next signal 18:41:59 <peter1138> simple 18:42:26 <dih> would it be something you guys would 'approve' of? 18:43:58 * dih fills the silence with thoughts 18:44:05 <pavel1269> :) 18:44:58 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r11866 /trunk/src/ (16 files in 3 dirs): -Codechange: swap OFB_* and OF_* so it conceptually in sync with other cases of *B_* vs *_* like VETSB_* and VETS_*. 18:46:42 *** Nukebuster [~wouter@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:47:06 * dih hopes peter1138 read my last question ^^ 18:48:10 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:49:19 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 18:51:58 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r11867 /trunk/src/ (genworld.cpp openttd.cpp): 18:51:58 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Fix: do not reset changes to persistent storages during world generation. 18:51:58 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Fix: store changes to persistent storages after performing all the game logic instead of resetting them. 18:53:10 <peter1138> http://fuzzle.org/o/overhang.diff 18:53:12 <peter1138> that's how easy 18:53:13 <dih> by the way - generation_seed should not be saved to cfg 18:53:21 <dih> wow 18:53:27 <dih> that was amazing peter1138 18:54:04 <dih> is it something that could be considerd 'worthy of trunk' 18:54:41 <Rubidium> hmm... should rething multiheads then ;) 18:54:57 <dih> why is that? 18:54:59 <peter1138> Rubidium, in what way? 18:55:21 <Rubidium> add your engines to the end of the train as you can then have shorter platforms -> more profit! 18:55:32 <dih> hehe 18:55:33 <peter1138> ahh, yes 18:55:34 <dih> true 18:55:42 <peter1138> maybe only count wagons... 18:56:37 <dih> and that what counts as the second engine if waggons have to be placed in between the 2 18:57:03 <Gonozal_VIII> Each platform tile is worth 2 rail vehicles. <-- ? 18:57:20 <dih> what's wrong with that? 18:57:30 <Gonozal_VIII> short wagons? 18:57:36 <peter1138> it was true, originally :) 18:57:45 <dih> those are additional grf's 18:57:50 <hylje> up-to-date comment is very up-to-date 18:57:57 <peter1138> the code is still valid 18:57:57 <Rubidium> it's still true ;) 18:58:08 <Rubidium> a 'short' wagon is just 75% of a rail vehicle 18:58:10 <dih> they are _worth_ 18:58:18 <Rubidium> or 62.5% or 87.5% 18:58:20 <dih> w rail vehicles 18:58:37 <dih> 2 18:58:46 <Rubidium> yet, platforms have to be paid in rail vehicles 18:58:49 <Rubidium> *yes 18:59:05 <Belugas> stupid question, but i have to ask: while browsing source code, searching for whatever, do you tend to recognize (or look for) the "shape" of the functions? of enums, or structures... I do. I just hope i'm not the only one, or i'd be ready for the fun farm... 18:59:12 <peter1138> bah, why are there no interesting complaints on the forums... 18:59:24 <hylje> Belugas: congitive patterns are a bad thing since when? 18:59:40 <peter1138> Belugas, yes, of course :) 18:59:59 <Wezz6400> hmm adding engines to the back looks stupid though, I'd rather have the train stop a few tiles forward so the engine doesn't stop at the platform, just the cars 19:00:00 <Belugas> ok 19:00:07 * Belugas feels better :) 19:00:14 <Gonozal_VIII> faster than skimming the text and easier to remember... 19:01:19 <hylje> "oh, that. the func that looks like a llama." 19:02:11 <dih> lol 19:02:22 <dih> Rubidium: regarding the reload config patch 19:02:26 <peter1138> that's usually bjarni's code 19:02:47 <dih> if the generation seed used for the map generator is stored in the config 19:02:49 <flaa> don't u liked my lolcats? T_T http://mine.icanhascheezburger.com/View.aspx?OhaiIupgrade128448884085383750.jpg 19:02:59 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@ip-62-143-77-110.1311A-CUD12K-02.ish.de] has joined #openttd 19:03:09 <dih> one can end up with always the same map 19:03:54 <dih> also dedicated servers, when started, will always have the same map, unless they load a scn or sav 19:04:53 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A4CB9.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [Ping timeout: Hmm ping sucks :D] 19:06:14 <Belugas> flaa : needless to say, i have nothing to say regarding your stuff. I might be stupod, but i see nothing nor amusing nor interesting. maybe expand about it? 19:06:23 <Gonozal_VIII> btw that's a thing i noticed, if you open the new game window it always generates a new seed but the same window in the scenarion editor doesn't 19:07:02 <Gonozal_VIII> i spammed that link around to everybody in icq the last time you posted it 19:09:37 <dih> flaa: what are you expecting us to say? 19:09:49 <Gonozal_VIII> that's a reaction i got: 19:09:49 <Gonozal_VIII> [20:06:54] Bartleby: jo und weita? hattma schon 19:09:49 <Gonozal_VIII> [20:07:31] Robert: kazze! 19:09:49 <Gonozal_VIII> [20:07:35] Robert: und openttd! 19:09:49 <Gonozal_VIII> [20:07:39] Robert: openttd kazze! 19:09:50 *** Diabolic1Angel [~dia@ip-62-143-77-110.1311A-CUD12K-02.ish.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:10:03 <dih> Bartleby? 19:10:05 <dih> LOL 19:10:08 * dih thinks of bone 19:10:14 <Gonozal_VIII> bone :S 19:10:36 <Gonozal_VIII> dogma 19:10:58 <dih> http://www.rackham.dk/anmeldelse/billeder/bone/bartleby.gif 19:11:19 <dih> i like this one a lot: http://brandonklassen.com/media/2007-02-01-02.jpg 19:11:27 <peter1138> what? 19:11:45 *** Dark_Link^ [~glidegame@fw.dormnet.his.se] has joined #openttd 19:12:19 <Belugas> "kazze!" ? 19:12:23 <dih> cat 19:12:27 <Gonozal_VIII> hehe 19:12:35 <Belugas> ho.. makes sens... NOT 19:12:38 <dih> i thought that one was amusing 19:12:47 <dih> perhaps more for germans 19:13:11 <dih> i mean all 3 lines by Robert 19:13:19 <dih> ^^ 19:13:34 <Gonozal_VIII> <-- robert... you would never have guessed that^^ 19:14:53 <dih> getting back on topic 19:15:26 <Gonozal_VIII> what could be more on topic than a cat playing openttd? 19:15:49 * dih will not say anything against cats, as it might offend Belugas 19:15:56 * dih actually likes cats 19:16:08 <Gonozal_VIII> cats rock 19:16:13 * dih is unfortunately really allergic 19:16:28 <Gonozal_VIII> that's bad... really bad 19:17:08 <Belugas> i love my cat. The others? baah... i cant love them as i can't touch them... 19:17:35 <dih> i hate my allergies 19:17:38 <Gonozal_VIII> ha! get aids, your immune system will break, your allergies will stop too and you can have cats :D 19:17:46 <dih> but i like animals - so usually i am the one who sufferes ^^ 19:18:29 <dih> that was a cheap, Gonozal_VIII 19:18:37 <dih> can you not come up with better lines 19:18:56 <Gonozal_VIII> not always 19:20:46 *** Zr40 [~zr40@2001:960:786:0:21b:63ff:fe9e:ab24] has quit [Quit: Zr40] 19:20:52 <dih> anyhow - i am curious to hear/read other people's oppinion on the train longer than station thing, and the generation_seed (not) stored in config 19:21:19 <Gonozal_VIII> well, the trick with the signal is nice 19:21:56 <dih> where did peter1138 head to? he disappeared 19:22:50 <Belugas> shhhhutt.... he is working hard 19:23:45 <dih> in his diff is the following comment: /* Reduce time penalty if the last wagons do not carry cargo */ 19:24:09 <dih> would you not want to reduce the time penalty if the last waggons are not going to be loaded at that station? 19:24:33 <peter1138> no 19:24:34 <dih> i.e. multicargo trains 19:24:47 <peter1138> cos that would be more complex and i can't be bothered 19:24:54 <dih> ^^ 19:25:00 <Gonozal_VIII> hehe 19:25:07 <dih> i like that answer 19:25:11 <dih> :-P 19:25:23 <Gonozal_VIII> i usually don't use multi cargo trains 19:25:29 <dih> me neither 19:25:40 <dih> i was just thinking of that case 19:26:28 <LA[lord]> dih, you think too much.. do something useful.. like play OpenTTD.. 19:26:42 <dih> or slapping LA 19:26:45 <Gonozal_VIII> hmmm spriteless 0 px engine 19:26:49 <Gonozal_VIII> 1 px 19:26:50 * dih slaps LA[lord] 19:27:01 *** Tlustoch [~last_evol@r5bn73.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 19:27:31 * LA[lord] is sad 19:27:50 <Gonozal_VIII> could be attached there to trigger the signal and also to get eyecandy wagons without engines on some platforms 19:28:37 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A47061.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 19:31:16 <Gonozal_VIII> hmmmm 19:31:45 <Gonozal_VIII> could an engine read the custom name you give it and use that as hp? 19:31:55 <Gonozal_VIII> ^^ 19:31:57 <Belugas> hack 19:31:59 <Belugas> blablablab 19:32:09 <dih> ^^ 19:32:16 <Gonozal_VIII> maybe even negative... 19:32:27 <Belugas> kcha 19:32:36 <Belugas> balbalbla 19:32:41 <Gonozal_VIII> hehe 19:33:20 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-147-139.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 19:33:52 <Gonozal_VIII> if you think one of your trains accelerates too fast to be realistic... buy one of those 1px engines, rename it to -1000, attach it and voila... train has 1000hp less^^ 19:34:33 <Belugas> feels like ttdp's cheat sign :) 19:34:48 <Gonozal_VIII> cheat sign? 19:34:55 <hylje> cheat wagon 19:34:57 <Gonozal_VIII> never played ttdp 19:37:16 <LA[lord]> I played..twice.. maybe thrice :D 19:38:04 <hylje> never! 19:39:50 *** peter1138 [~petern@217.151.109.242] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:39:53 * AntB is currently playing patch more then open 19:40:30 * LA[lord] slaps AntB with a fresh copy of OpenTTD nightly 19:40:36 <Belugas> it is your choice AntB :) 19:40:58 <Belugas> it SHOULD no bother anyone, even LA[lord] 19:41:04 <AntB> I've only just downloaded it actually, just to see what it was like 19:41:13 <AntB> and PBS :) 19:41:36 <LA[lord]> Belugas: *should* is dangerous word... 19:42:00 <AntB> lol 19:43:01 <dih> should is not dangerous the way it was used there 19:43:26 <LA[lord]> that doesn't matter 19:43:38 <tneo> point of view 19:43:53 <dih> pointy view 19:44:09 <LA[lord]> pointy ears 19:44:24 <AntB> rabbit :p 19:44:33 <LA[lord]> lol 19:45:00 <dih> and AntB just rabbits on 19:45:17 <dih> no pun not intended 19:45:21 <AntB> oi! its not very often I actaully chat in this room :P 19:45:33 <dih> ^^ 19:45:43 <dih> that 'oi' is _very_ british ^^ 19:46:13 <Gonozal_VIII> isn't that kind of frenchish? 19:46:15 <AntB> well considering i /am/ brittish dih :D 19:46:20 <dih> i did not meet another person (appart of my (?:grand)?mother) using that 19:47:01 <dih> Gonozal_VIII: go to london and say "oi! is french" 19:47:04 <dih> or even better 19:47:10 <dih> say "the french rock" 19:47:25 <AntB> come to where I am and mention the french ;) 19:47:25 <dih> not entirely sure you'd make a bunch of friends 19:47:43 <dih> he should still be able to report back to this channel AntB 19:47:55 <Gonozal_VIII> :P 19:47:59 <Belugas> [14:52] <dih> say "the french rock" <--- no, say "French rocks" 19:48:05 <AntB> a french woman come in the pub and I lost count of the amount of people sayin to chuck her out 19:48:19 <dih> heh 19:48:25 <dih> unfriendly snobs 19:48:33 <dih> ^^ 19:48:37 <AntB> you call them snobs and they'll have ya :P 19:48:43 <dih> i know 19:48:53 <dih> i lived in the uk for 2.5 years 19:48:59 <Gonozal_VIII> usually if a woman walks into a pub the guys check her out not chuck.. 19:49:07 <dih> LOL 19:49:21 <dih> totally depends on the woman and the guys in the pub 19:49:36 <hylje> a woman walks into a bar .. 19:49:42 <hylje> .. ouch. 19:49:46 <dih> ROFL 19:49:52 <AntB> well theres a barmaid in my local who has a "double" cleavage 19:49:59 <AntB> lol @ hylje 19:50:10 <Gonozal_VIII> double :S 19:50:14 *** haclet [~haclet@81-86-148-43.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #openttd 19:50:22 <AntB> her jeans don't fit very well 19:50:30 <dih> that is normal in the uk 19:50:40 <AntB> not like hers it aint :D 19:51:07 <dih> one thing i did learn after living 2 years in oxford 19:51:08 <tneo> aint aint a word ;) 19:51:21 <dih> it was _not_ my fault that i _never_ saw an attractive woman 19:51:45 <Gonozal_VIII> hehe 19:51:46 <AntB> not commenting on oxford, too far south for my liking 19:51:46 <flaa> 21:43 <@Athan> flaa: 16:39:36 < LuomuXP> http://kalleboo.mirror.waffleimages.com/files/7e/7efe3e71bac7f9a5af12bf3751446fc03f1a627f.jpg 19:52:15 <Belugas> flaa, warning 19:52:16 <haclet> re 19:52:20 <dih> if i had the ability to 19:52:27 <Belugas> express something else but screenshots 19:52:33 <dih> go Belugas go 19:52:34 <Belugas> or face the consequences 19:52:42 <AntB> OTTD Touched... its moved on a bit since that screenie :) 19:52:58 <hylje> :o 19:53:07 <haclet> I have o question - I just updated my openttd and comiled it. All like before (long time I didn't have time to do that) - but when I am running game - it seems be running like in network mode ? 19:53:08 * dih gets some popcorn to watch the 'kick off' 19:53:11 <dih> *out 19:53:14 <Gonozal_VIII> i helped with improving :D 19:53:14 <flaa> Belugas: huh? are screenshots prohibited on this channel? 19:53:29 <Belugas> with a reason, yes 19:53:37 <Belugas> without one, it is spamming 19:53:41 <Belugas> so... 19:53:47 <Belugas> reason or ban 19:53:49 <Belugas> your chopise 19:53:53 <Belugas> choice 19:53:54 <flaa> erm... wait a sec, that wasn't even a screenshot, it was a regular image 19:54:00 <Belugas> samo 19:54:04 <flaa> of some device running openttd 19:54:17 <flaa> or whatever it was running 19:54:19 <dih> kick kick kick 19:54:19 <Belugas> the last one, we all know aobut it. thanks 19:54:26 <AntB> Flaa: Nintendo DS, not "some device" :P 19:54:36 <flaa> well that would have been my second guess 19:54:49 <Belugas> the first one you sent twice, still not getting the beauty of it 19:54:53 <dih> Belugas dont you have some steam to let out 19:55:01 <Belugas> hehehe 19:55:08 <dih> THEN LET IT OUT 19:55:10 * hylje hugs Belugas 19:55:11 <Gonozal_VIII> snow makes people angry 19:55:16 <flaa> that was not the same image i sent twice 19:55:17 * dih snows 19:55:22 <Gonozal_VIII> bad dih 19:55:26 <Gonozal_VIII> not again 19:55:35 <dih> i just need to get a bucket to overflow 19:55:39 <Belugas> freakingly resembling then... 19:55:53 <flaa> how does a DS and a kitten resemble each other 19:56:09 <tneo> they don't 19:56:19 <Gonozal_VIII> you just have to take more snow out of the bucket than it has inside and you end up with maximum 19:57:37 <Belugas> [11:42] <flaa> O hai! http://mine.icanhascheezburger.com/View.aspx?OhaiIupgrade128448884085383750.jpg 19:57:37 <Belugas> [14:07] <flaa> don't u liked my lolcats? T_T http://mine.icanhascheezburger.com/View.aspx?OhaiIupgrade128448884085383750.jpg 19:57:39 <Belugas> i see two 19:58:10 <tneo> same url can't miss ;) 19:58:17 <SmatZ> :)) 19:58:23 <Belugas> nor logs :) 19:58:42 <tneo> You're just in this channel 24/7 :P 19:58:50 <Belugas> my client is :) 19:58:57 <dih> belugas, give yourself a kick 19:58:58 <Belugas> i'm at work 9-5 19:59:09 <flaa> Belugas: yes i see two also. i think we already came to that conclusion, no? 19:59:11 *** Belugas was kicked from #openttd by Belugas [muhaha] 19:59:16 <hylje> http://1chan.net/rail/src/1200355808839.jpg 19:59:20 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.226] has joined #openttd 19:59:21 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 19:59:21 <AntB> wtf? lol 19:59:44 <Gonozal_VIII> wooden rail? 19:59:45 <dih> now do the same for flaa 20:00:45 <LA[lord]> Belugas, you don't have to do ALL that dih orders... 20:00:58 <LA[lord]> or dou you? 20:01:01 <LA[lord]> do* 20:01:10 <dih> the thing is, deep inside he wants to 20:01:39 * AntB wonders why dih isn't an op yet then :P 20:01:55 <dih> i am - just not here 20:01:55 <flaa> what i meant to say the image was not the same as the two i sent earlier 20:02:05 <dih> shush 20:02:18 <Gonozal_VIII> as the one you sent earlier :P 20:02:26 <flaa> which actually should have been clear from the context of the dialogue 20:02:32 <dih> shush 20:02:53 <Belugas> flaa, if it was, i would not have interveen 20:02:55 <Belugas> it was not 20:03:03 <Belugas> so, now you now 20:03:04 <Belugas> konw 20:03:08 <Belugas> know 20:03:12 <Belugas> pfffffff. 20:03:17 <dih> ^^ 20:03:44 <flaa> tell me if these two are the same image: http://mine.icanhascheezburger.com/View.aspx?OhaiIupgrade128448884085383750.jpg and http://kalleboo.mirror.waffleimages.com/files/7e/7efe3e71bac7f9a5af12bf3751446fc03f1a627f.jpg 20:04:19 <hylje> pff 20:04:31 * dih slaps flaa 20:04:55 * Rubidium ignores flaa 20:04:58 <LA[lord]> mmm...mm.... Ah yea. I remember now.. I need to make a grf that has some parameters in it.. So like possible two options for different sprites... It has something to do with action07(sikp sprites) and 0D(assign parameters) but I don't know how.. 20:05:00 <Rubidium> /ignore flaa 20:05:23 <flaa> well? 20:05:23 *** haclet_ [~haclet@81-86-148-43.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #openttd 20:05:25 <LA[lord]> Rubidium: You are mean.. 20:05:38 <LA[lord]> :P 20:05:40 <Rubidium> mean in what way? 20:05:47 *** haclet [~haclet@81-86-148-43.dsl.pipex.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:05:54 *** haclet_ is now known as haclet 20:06:08 <LA[lord]> every time I'm here you suggest /ignore arandomornotsorandomname 20:06:09 *** helb_ [~helb@62.240.176.23] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:06:32 *** helb_ [~helb@62.240.176.23] has joined #openttd 20:06:33 <Rubidium> well... it's better than a ban 20:06:50 <Gonozal_VIII> la, look at the combined airport grf, that has lots of parameter based sprite skipping and nothing else... 20:06:53 <Rubidium> as I do not have to care about reversing it 20:07:07 <LA[lord]> Gonozal_VIII: I know.. Skidd15 told me that.. 20:07:44 <Rubidium> why do so many Skidd15 when it's skidd13? 20:07:52 *** peter1138 [~petern@217.151.109.242] has joined #openttd 20:07:52 *** mode/#openttd [+o peter1138] by ChanServ 20:08:12 *** tubul [~icechat5@82-170-7-78.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Quit: I cna ytpe 300 wrods pre mniuet!!!] 20:08:35 <flaa> pfft 20:08:55 <LA[lord]> no it's not skidd13 (Gonozal, may I? ) 20:09:19 <LA[lord]> :D 20:09:27 <Gonozal_VIII> you may ;-) 20:10:43 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Quit: HELP ME I AM A PENGUIN YET I HAVE NO BEAK ONLY MARSHMELLOWS] 20:11:31 <LA[lord]> welll.. the thing is that I desperatly needed skidd13 and but gonozal could offer me only skidd15 (for a good price) so he disguised him as skidd13 and tried to sell him 20:11:51 <LA[lord]> but I saw it through, took skidd13, but didn't pay 20:11:59 <LA[lord]> skidd15* 20:13:03 <Gonozal_VIII> yes... that was very evil 20:15:21 *** HerzogDeXtE1 [~dex@i577B5BDA.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 20:22:14 <flaa> you guys gotta loosen up a bit 20:22:20 *** flaa [~flaa@dasni2819.ulapland.fi] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:22:27 <dih> :-( 20:22:34 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~dex@i577B75E3.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:22:47 <dih> a kick would have been more fun 20:23:52 <AntB> lol 20:24:36 <Belugas> gnignigni 20:24:52 <SpComb> Logs: http://spbot.marttila.de:8120/logs/oftc-ottd (old: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd ) 20:24:52 <peter1138> !logs 20:25:42 <Gonozal_VIII> you're not seriously going to sleep now belugas? 20:26:43 *** peter1138 [~petern@217.151.109.242] has quit [Quit: bwaaahahaha, te eeeh eeehee boingk!] 20:26:51 <Belugas> sleep? 20:26:52 <Belugas> no 20:26:54 <Belugas> why? 20:27:08 <Gonozal_VIII> [21:24:36] Belugas: gnignigni 20:27:45 <Belugas> that's the sound of sadistic pleasure seeing flaa gettiing away 20:27:48 <Belugas> :P 20:28:11 <Gonozal_VIII> so that's what sadistic pleasure sounds like... 20:29:00 <Belugas> you should had a grim in the face, 20:29:44 <Belugas> and two hands with long nailed fingers doing . that motion.. hem... 20:29:56 <Belugas> forgot the word... 20:31:12 *** rave [~user@86.155.143.64] has joined #openttd 20:33:42 <LA[lord]> goood niiigght 20:33:49 <pavel1269> gn ;) 20:34:00 *** LA[lord] [~chatzilla@ip101.cab22.ltln.starman.ee] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.80 [Firefox 2.0.0.11/2007112718]] 20:34:29 *** haclet [~haclet@81-86-148-43.dsl.pipex.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:35:49 <Belugas> rubing or maybe rubbing 20:35:56 <Belugas> depends 20:35:58 <Belugas> not sure 20:36:41 <Gonozal_VIII> i don't want to know about your fantasies involving rubbing motions.. 20:36:59 <Belugas> twisted mind... 20:37:10 <Belugas> like a witch, you know... 20:37:18 <Belugas> one over the other 20:37:24 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 20:37:26 <Belugas> in a griddy way 20:38:04 <Gonozal_VIII> i don't know any griddy rubbing witches, sorry... 20:39:05 <hylje> witches, both of you 20:39:22 *** DJ_Mirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:40:37 *** DJ_Mirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 20:40:52 <Prof_Frink> What do we do with witches? 20:41:19 <hylje> we burn them! 20:41:51 <Gonozal_VIII> yes, burn belugas, burn him! *steps aside* 20:42:42 <Prof_Frink> What else burns? 20:42:53 <Gonozal_VIII> monty 20:44:22 <Belugas> ... 20:44:27 <Belugas> insanity 20:44:42 <Gonozal_VIII> insanity is the new sanity 20:44:42 <Belugas> i should have shut my big mouth 20:44:51 <Gonozal_VIII> you should adapt 20:45:00 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r11868 /trunk/ (5 files in 3 dirs): -Fix: some files were still mentioning that beta1 is the latest release when that's not the case. 20:45:41 <Gonozal_VIII> why does the code mention that? :S 20:46:01 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl51B7893D.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 20:46:06 <pavel1269> what about making some topic in ottd->problems like ... "WHERE" orsth similar with instructions to find screenshots and saved games? :o) 20:46:48 <Rubidium> Gonozal_VIII: the readme is not code 20:47:02 <Gonozal_VIII> you mean like an alphabethically sorted list of words and each of them has a link? 20:47:18 <Gonozal_VIII> 5 files readme? 20:47:55 <rave> does the share order dropdown option on the vehicle list/group window work? 20:49:50 *** Nite [~anonym@chello062178193175.3.15.vie.surfer.at] has joined #openttd 20:49:56 <Nite> Hi 20:50:02 <Gonozal_VIII> hi 20:50:12 <Nite> anyone about bugtracking here? 20:50:22 *** fjb_ [~frank@p5485CF41.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:51:00 <Nite> hey i mean the channle is full 20:51:19 <Digitalfox_> A fix Rubidium lol 20:51:25 <Nite> ? 20:51:33 <Gonozal_VIII> [21:50:11] Nite: anyone about bugtracking here? <-- that's one of those questions you don't ask 20:51:45 <Nite> why the hell? 20:51:50 <Digitalfox_> Nite: Just ask the question.. 20:52:00 <Belugas> you simply state your problem... 20:52:01 <Gonozal_VIII> that's like asking if you can ask something 20:52:09 <Nite> simple problem 20:52:37 <Rubidium> asking to ask something is worse, because you already asked something 20:52:38 <Nite> i was playing with depot orders heavily in 5.3 20:53:00 <Nite> and i guess in 0.6.0 they dont work correct anymore 20:53:27 <Gonozal_VIII> because a train entered a depot twice in a row? 20:53:38 <glx> use service order 20:53:43 <Gonozal_VIII> yes^^ 20:54:03 <Rubidium> wow ;) OpenTTD is so much faster when using a release build *and* 1000 MHz more than normally ;) 20:54:16 <Belugas> lol 20:54:21 <Digitalfox_> lol 20:54:29 <Nite> when a train enters the depot and is not able to get out right away (ie: is blocked by another passing or entering train) it dous not switch to the next order 20:54:35 <hylje> Rubidium: thats totally not expected 20:54:57 *** fjb [~frank@p5485FECC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:55:00 <Belugas> Nite : [15:58] <+glx> use service order 20:55:10 <pavel1269> gn 20:55:18 <Gonozal_VIII> hmmm that blocked thing is new but i guess it's the same problem 20:55:22 <Nite> (it has nothing to do with service order or not NOR with any patches enabled or disabled NOR with pathfinding NOR with nonstop handling) 20:55:28 <Digitalfox_> bye pavel1269 20:55:38 *** pavel1269 [~pavel.g@48.140.broadband2.iol.cz] has quit [] 20:55:48 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r11869 /tags/0.6.0-beta3/ (11 files in 3 dirs): 20:55:48 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Release: 0.6.0-beta3 20:55:48 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: Took way too long, but that happens when real life interferes and the bugcount is rising instead of declining. 20:56:06 <Gonozal_VIII> what are the orders? 20:56:16 <Nite> also with heavy traffic some really wired things happened like skipping the next 2 orders after performing the depot order 20:57:47 <Nite> orders where ... goto station A unload - go to depot (nonstop/service) - goto station A ... 20:58:07 <Digitalfox_> Another beta oh why why why o_O 20:58:12 <Nite> the "..." where many orders to different stations 20:58:31 <Rubidium> Digitalfox_: and you still have not installed it? 20:58:56 <Digitalfox_> Nope i'm one of those crazy nightly testers... 20:58:57 <Nite> i also tried to switch off the timetables - but same things happened 20:59:20 <Digitalfox_> It's always crashing but oh well.. 20:59:29 <Nite> i also tried different station/depot designs 20:59:47 <Digitalfox_> Someone must do the dirty job ;) 21:00:26 <Gonozal_VIII> that problems sound new to me... 21:00:33 <Nite> mine? 21:00:36 <Gonozal_VIII> yes 21:00:40 <Belugas> indeed 21:00:45 <Nite> they where new to me also 21:01:09 <Belugas> maybe you should repoprt them on forums problem sections and see if it rings a bell to anyone 21:01:11 <Digitalfox_> If it wasn't for those rare and crazy nightly testers, how would you have so many bug reports and a way of spending your free time Rubidium ? 21:01:34 <Nite> 5.3 depot orders worked ... 21:01:35 <Belugas> like... adding savegames, diagrams, screenies of different behavioours 21:02:11 <Gonozal_VIII> depot orders always worked for me, even with the nightlies... maybe it has something to do with the number of orders 21:02:14 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@62.243.161.39] has joined #openttd 21:02:15 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 21:02:18 <Gonozal_VIII> bjarni! 21:02:37 <Bjarni> Gonozal_VIII! 21:03:10 <Digitalfox_> And people say " Donate some money to the dev's for so much work " Well i say Dev's donate money to us nightly testers for all the work we do and make you don't work finding bugs!! 21:03:31 <Gonozal_VIII> i usually don't have many orders for a vehicle, so i wouldn't notice if that causes problems 21:03:35 <Nite> there where 7 stations in a pingpong "1unload-depot-1-2-3-4-5-6-7unload-depot-7-6-5-4-3-2-" 21:03:55 <Digitalfox_> I'm joking.. Before someone thinks it's for real :\ 21:04:04 <Bjarni> Digitalfox_: it can be more fun to betatest than to code and fix bugs 21:04:20 <Bjarni> <Digitalfox_> I'm joking.. Before someone thinks it's for real :\ <-- too late :P 21:04:22 <Nite> i also like testing more 21:04:29 <Digitalfox_> And my net just catch some fish 21:04:37 <Digitalfox_> oh a bjarni fish 21:04:43 <Digitalfox_> what a strange fish 21:05:00 <Digitalfox_> better sending it to water again, don't want to eat it 21:05:08 <ln-> it's Bjarni! 21:05:36 <Nite> if forums wherendt so tedious/boring 21:06:52 <ln-> Bjarni: a workaround is: use the PPC binary. 21:07:09 <Nite> ppc bin ? 21:08:02 *** lekro [~lekro@S01060014513484ae.ss.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 21:08:13 <Bjarni> ln-: what??? 21:08:34 <Bjarni> you are saying that people should use rosetta? 21:08:53 <Bjarni> I tell people NOT to use rosetta because it creates odd issues 21:08:58 <ln-> that way the game at least starts. 21:09:12 <Bjarni> heh 21:09:25 <ln-> but let me paste this link for the third time: http://lists.apple.com/archives/X11-users/2007/Dec/msg00332.html 21:09:45 *** helb_ [~helb@62.240.176.23] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:10:22 <Nite> openttd website states "You should direct these questions to the forums or in our IRC channel." but whatr is "theyr" irc channel ??? 21:12:07 <Belugas> theyr? 21:12:36 <Nite> yes they call it "our" 21:12:49 <Digitalfox_> Wasn't there a page that showed the statistics for this channel? I remember seeing it but don't remember who posted the link :\ 21:12:59 <Gonozal_VIII> you're talking to "them"^^ 21:13:01 <Nite> (their sry) 21:13:17 <Belugas> "our" channel is this one 21:13:19 <Belugas> #openttd 21:13:34 <Nite> ok i wasnt sure 21:13:39 <Belugas> :) 21:13:55 <Gonozal_VIII> it's on the page, i just checked 21:14:13 <Belugas> you did? ho... good boy Gonozal_VIII ;) 21:14:50 <ln-> Nite: "their" is spelled with i. 21:15:15 <Nite> i alreadi applogyzed ;-) 21:15:24 <dih> lol 21:15:30 <ln-> Bjarni: what say thou about that link? 21:16:49 <Bjarni> I say it looks like something needs updating ;) 21:19:24 <Nite> maybee there should be a "bug" gameserver, where the task is to reproduce bugs ... (non crashing bugs) 21:19:57 <dih> they are all over 21:20:23 <tneo> I got a question :) 21:20:23 <Nite> oki then 21:20:24 <dih> and the bug is called 'desync' 21:20:24 <Gonozal_VIII> http://bugs.openttd.org/ <-- you can find lots of bugs there 21:20:36 <tneo> What helps to make a city grow in game play? 21:20:40 <Gonozal_VIII> desyncs still happen? 21:20:57 <Gonozal_VIII> you already asked that today 21:21:00 <Belugas> and these are the servers in question : http://www.openttd.org/servers.php 21:21:43 <dih> visit http://openttd.dihedral.de/irc-logs 21:21:47 <Belugas> tneo : passengers/mail/goods 21:21:51 <Belugas> food 21:21:53 <Belugas> flowers 21:22:01 <Belugas> candies 21:22:06 <dih> and search for desync 21:22:08 <Belugas> coffee 21:22:11 <Belugas> no... that's for me 21:22:44 <Nite> i never noticed "many" desyncs at all in ottd 21:23:00 <tneo> Belugas, and are there certain conditions that will speed up the process e.g. placing stations "inside" gray paved area, amount of stops at station, etc. ? 21:23:14 <tneo> Does the chosen road layout matter for instance? 21:23:34 <Gonozal_VIII> i noticed a lot of them some time ago at revision 5000-8000 or something around those numbers 21:23:54 <Eddi|zuHause3> hmm... my autoreplace is failing... 21:23:55 <Belugas> nope to all the questions 21:24:02 <Belugas> not that i know, anyway :S 21:24:05 <Gonozal_VIII> they grow much better if you build roads for them 21:24:42 <Belugas> and dont forget to dance under the moonlit night 21:24:53 <Belugas> or is it on a volcano? 21:24:56 <Nite> ok it seems to be the "goto destination(depot) twice" bug 21:24:56 <Gonozal_VIII> ^^ 21:24:57 <Eddi|zuHause3> ..with no clothes on :p 21:25:10 <Eddi|zuHause3> (but don't tell us) 21:25:22 <Nite> but happening constantly 21:25:24 <Belugas> and a broom in your... 21:25:25 <Gonozal_VIII> that's not a bug nite, that's just a misunderstood feature 21:25:25 <Belugas> hand 21:25:26 <tneo> Gonozal, is building roads the only thing (that you know) that will help? 21:26:00 <Eddi|zuHause3> tneo: you can finance office buildings 21:26:02 <Gonozal_VIII> no.. some bus stops and transport people around 21:26:31 <Gonozal_VIII> that extends the area where big buildings will appear for some time 21:26:44 <Nite> no its not 21:26:59 <Eddi|zuHause3> it also speeds up town growth for that time 21:27:00 <ln-> attention! i need name suggestions for a fork of FTE. <http://fte.sourceforge.net/images/fte-c-src.png> 21:27:18 <Nite> when i order a train to go to depot and it has gone to depot it definately should go on with the next order, shouldnt it? 21:27:48 <Gonozal_VIII> it didn't go to depot because of that order but because it needed service 21:28:11 <Gonozal_VIII> then it continues with next order... no matter what that is 21:28:11 <Nite> you do not understand 21:28:25 <Nite> IT DOES NOT CONTINUE TO THE NEXT ORDER 21:28:31 <tneo> Gonozal_VIII So funding buildings, frequent bus stops and building roads will help to grow a city. And the more ppl you move around the faster it will grow? 21:28:36 <Belugas> nite, did you read my PM? 21:28:51 <Nite> no i didnt got a PM 21:29:01 <Belugas> look in tyou IRC client 21:29:06 <Eddi|zuHause3> tneo: no, the amount of stations you visit matters (up to 5), transported amount is irrelevant 21:29:09 <Gonozal_VIII> i don't know tneo 21:29:15 <Nite> (i use dana dont thinks it has PM) 21:29:26 <Belugas> ok... 21:29:27 <Belugas> wait 21:29:36 <Nite> ok found it 21:29:36 <Belugas> [16:15] <Belugas> I really meant what I said about putting your report to the forums 21:29:36 <Belugas> [16:16] <Belugas> unless you want to put it on Flyspray, but you should really really document it. 21:29:36 <Belugas> [16:16] <Belugas> like what was happening, 21:29:36 <Belugas> [16:16] <Belugas> what is now happeinig 21:29:36 <Belugas> [16:16] <Belugas> ways to reproduce it 21:29:37 <Belugas> [16:16] <Belugas> etc etc... 21:29:37 <Belugas> [16:16] <Belugas> otherwise, just on IRC, yo're pretty much screwed to oblivion 21:29:38 <dih> then get a decent irc client 21:30:05 <Belugas> dih... shhhuush 21:30:10 <Gonozal_VIII> and the roads don't really speed up the growth, they avoid places without road access inside the city where no houses can appear 21:30:11 <dih> ^^ 21:30:39 <Nite> ok so irc might not be the right place for bugtracking 21:31:27 <Nite> whats the command for PM? 21:31:46 <tneo> Eddi|zuHause3 and those 5 stations need they have a certain frequency? 21:31:47 <Gonozal_VIII> it can be for easy to fix bugs or to find out if a bug is already known 21:32:22 <Eddi|zuHause3> tneo: yes, but i don't know the right number... like each month or each 3 months or so 21:32:30 <Nite> well i just wantet more ppl to know about it 21:32:33 <tneo> Ok thx guys :) 21:32:49 <Belugas> Nite, i dont know about command for PM on your client. 21:33:00 <Nite> idn honestly i dont like messages like "no thats not a bug yu just didnt understand taht feature" 21:33:37 <Nite> ok i thought there where a standrd irc one ... thx sry 21:33:46 <Belugas> IRC might be a good place to inquiry if the given bug is known or not. But to actually fix it (if it is one), it's better to leave informations (as i mentioned) so it can be scrutinized later 21:34:05 <Belugas> 'cause we MAY not be in the right position to fix it... 21:34:08 <Belugas> like right now... 21:34:10 <Belugas> still at work 21:34:11 <Gonozal_VIII> well sorry... but there are a lot of people that report that their trains enter the depot for servicing and then enter it for the depot order, and that's not a bug 21:34:29 <Belugas> althoug I talk a lot on IRC for a working man... 21:35:33 *** helb_ [~helb@62.240.176.23] has joined #openttd 21:35:38 <Nite> yeah ok - for me, i know the difference betwenn service in depots and just goto depot refit and non stop ... 21:36:07 <Nite> but neither one works constantly in 0.6.0 21:36:34 <Belugas> you know, it may be a bug, but it may be that the previous behaviour has been changed to something else for this or that reason... 21:36:52 <Belugas> so that is why a decent bug report is required 21:37:44 <Nite> guess you cant call that a behaviour it messes up the whole order sequence 21:37:53 <Gonozal_VIII> with savegame, config, maybe screenshots, instructions to reproduce it, everything that could be useful to understand it 21:38:26 <Nite> because strangely trains dont skip to the next order but also dont go to the depot a second time right away 21:38:44 <Gonozal_VIII> then what else? 21:39:13 <Gonozal_VIII> do they have the possibility to turn around? 21:39:18 <Nite> first they drive out in thee blue, which is often behind some one way signal 21:39:39 <Nite> htey dont turn araound in stations so they could head to the depot again 21:40:15 <Gonozal_VIII> i'm not sure about that but i think they can only turn around at stations when they stop there 21:40:17 <Nite> nad oh yes its hard to bel9eive without havin seen it in action 21:40:54 <Belugas> therefor... 21:41:17 <Nite> true but they stop if they are not set to non stop anyways but dont turn raound to go to that already visitet but not "switched" depot 21:41:17 <Belugas> report the bug for examination 21:41:35 <Gonozal_VIII> and there's something about pathfinder doesn't like dead end bouncing 21:41:40 <Nite> all this its why i duiscus it here because its really hard to describe at once ... 21:42:09 <Belugas> well... if yuo grab your logs, you should have a lot already write ^)^ 21:42:10 <Gonozal_VIII> i think i understand it now 21:42:23 <Gonozal_VIII> you need a loop somewhere for the trains to turn around 21:43:05 <Gonozal_VIII> or just activate service at for the depot order :-) 21:43:17 <Nite> could be an option - i found taht when im forcing them to turn around with the icon they alwas visited the depot a second time then swichting it also 21:44:15 <Nite> when i activate service at its teh same problem & tehy only use the order when theyr service intervall is "active" 21:44:50 <Nite> ("their" i kno i know ) 21:44:52 <Gonozal_VIII> set the service interval to 10 and they will use it always.. 21:45:02 <Gonozal_VIII> and they shouldn't go there twice then 21:45:13 *** fjb_ is now known as fjb 21:45:33 <Nite> if i set it to low they will always try to go there even when in the middle of theyr rout 21:45:40 <Nite> routE 21:45:46 <Gonozal_VIII> not with a service at order 21:45:51 <Nite> and this is something we also dont wonat 21:46:35 <Nite> you mean if they have a service at order they dont go to depot "by them self"? 21:46:42 <Gonozal_VIII> yep 21:46:47 <Nite> sure? 21:46:51 <Gonozal_VIII> quite 21:46:59 <Nite> kewl didnt know that 21:48:04 <Nite> still it would be nice they always skip the order if they visited the right depot ... 21:48:12 <Nite> i will try the service at 21:48:25 <Nite> .. again ... 21:48:48 <dih> a force option would be more interesting 21:48:57 <dih> i.e. goto regardless 21:49:10 * dih seecretly names his station 'regardless' 21:49:14 <Nite> i thought the simple goto would be force enough 21:49:23 <dih> apparently not 21:50:18 <Nite> well they go there but they dont notice/skip 21:50:18 <Gonozal_VIII> a normal depot order does force them to go there 21:50:23 *** AntB is now known as Guest3278 21:50:26 *** AntB [~AntB-UK@host81-141-195-94.wlms-broadband.com] has joined #openttd 21:50:56 <Nite> guess its jsut a littel quirk with entering and exiting depots 21:51:36 * dih goes to try nite's setup 21:51:40 <Gonozal_VIII> no it's just them wanting service by themselves and then following the depot order 21:51:43 <Nite> they only switch to next order if they go in and are able to go aou right away 21:53:27 <Nite> the server where u could see the depot restartet aperently 21:54:07 <Nite> ah no still there 21:54:23 <Gonozal_VIII> hmmmm it skips duplicate orders 21:54:47 <Nite> there are no doubel/duplicate orders 21:54:48 <Gonozal_VIII> i have 10times go via waypoint bla and then service at depot 21:55:04 * Belugas goes home . good night all 21:55:15 *** Guest3278 [~AntB-UK@host81-141-195-94.wlms-broadband.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:55:35 <Gonozal_VIII> when it reaches service interval while it's at the 5th pass (or something) at te waypoint it skips the rest to the depot order 21:56:16 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:56:22 <Nite> even when i skip the orders manually it doues not work 21:58:31 <Nite> all that AI af the trains yust is wired thy yust should follow the orders one by one without asking 21:59:24 <Gonozal_VIII> that's what they do 21:59:31 <Nite> apperently not 21:59:38 <Gonozal_VIII> service interval servicing is not an order 22:00:10 <Nite> i have a look if i can turn intervalls off 100% 22:00:20 <Gonozal_VIII> yes, set it to 0 22:00:34 <Gonozal_VIII> but unfortunately you can do that only through default interval 22:00:52 <Nite> set to very high? 22:00:55 <Nite> i guess 22:01:00 <Gonozal_VIII> that should be made possible in the train details... 22:01:19 <Gonozal_VIII> 0.. that means disabled 22:01:19 <Nite> better in the patch settings 22:01:28 <Gonozal_VIII> it is in the patch settings 22:01:52 <Nite> true that would be an option to maybee prevent mayn pf quirks 22:01:52 <Gonozal_VIII> but you can set the service interval from 30-800 in the vehicle details... why not 0-800? 22:02:16 <Nite> dont ask me :D ? 22:02:25 <dih> Nite: the setup you described earlier works alright for me 22:02:27 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 22:02:42 <Gonozal_VIII> it was an open question^^ 22:03:33 <Nite> i see 22:04:11 <dih> so i have no idea what you did _exactly_ 22:04:19 <dih> but what you described works 22:05:12 <Nite> you mean it works for you or the bug works 22:05:19 <Nite> ? 22:05:25 <dih> there is no bug 22:05:34 <Nite> aaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrgggggggggggghhhhhhhhh 22:05:41 <dih> same way as there is not spoon 22:05:52 <Nite> spoon? 22:06:37 <Prof_Frink> Name two films that contain the line "There is no spoon". 22:07:19 <murr4y> pulp fiction 22:07:21 <murr4y> citizen kane 22:07:22 * Rubidium ponders whether The Matrix is allowed as answer 22:07:37 <murr4y> oh and saw iv 22:07:43 <dih> Nite: and i just looked at my game server where you have a company 22:07:47 <dih> and it workes there too 22:07:57 <Nite> no it doesent 22:07:58 <dih> so i have no idea what you are going on about 22:08:05 <Nite> plz go there 22:08:08 <dih> watch train 9 22:08:11 <Rubidium> because it's "Imaging there is no spoon" and "There is no spoon" implies that there is the first word of the sentence 22:08:46 <Prof_Frink> Rubidium: Neo mumbles it later later. 22:08:59 <Nite> i do wathc and as u see its still trying to go to a depot is has already passed 22:09:07 <Prof_Frink> But you've not got the other one I was thinking of 22:10:20 <Nite> oki 22:11:18 <Nite> ill skip train 9 to Igualda forest 22:13:02 <Nite> i also skiped train 12 to taht 22:13:14 <Nite> now look 22:14:06 <fjb> Why do trains go round half the world instead of waiting a short time in front of a red signal? :-( 22:14:11 *** Lego- [~Miranda@84.204.104.111] has joined #openttd 22:14:26 <dih> it looks like 2 depots are being confused for eachother 22:14:26 <Gonozal_VIII> you can set that in the cfg 22:14:43 <fjb> Oh, where? What di I have to change? 22:14:57 <Gonozal_VIII> signal wait time 22:15:49 <Gonozal_VIII> wait_oneway_signal = 15 22:15:50 <Gonozal_VIII> wait_twoway_signal = 41 22:16:02 <Nite> so you saw that it doesent work now ?? 22:16:31 <fjb> Gonozal_VIII: Thank you. What di the numbers mean? 22:16:42 <Gonozal_VIII> i think ticks 22:16:49 <Gonozal_VIII> or days 22:16:52 <Gonozal_VIII> or something 22:16:54 <Gonozal_VIII> ^^ 22:17:38 <dih> Nite: you should hae 22:17:46 <fjb> Is that the time it should wait? 22:17:46 <dih> *have said that in the first place 22:17:53 <Nite> i should what? 22:18:01 <Gonozal_VIII> i had a strange bug looooooong ago where two depots seemed to be connected... a train could enter one of them and when you turned the train around then it teleported to the other depot 22:18:15 <dih> Rubidium: in the game it looks like 2 depots are being confused for eachother 22:18:16 <Nite> omg 22:18:18 <Gonozal_VIII> that's the default 22:18:29 <Nite> you mean fault 22:18:32 <Nite> ? 22:18:47 *** tneo [~tneo@ip124-67-58-81.adsl.versatel.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:18:55 <Nite> well so if i delet one depot it should work? 22:18:57 <Gonozal_VIII> i'm having different conversations at the same time nite 22:19:06 <Nite> i swear it worked in 5.3 22:19:19 <fjb> Gonozal_VIII: Do I have to set the numbers higher or lower? 22:19:40 <Gonozal_VIII> the name suggests higher 22:19:42 <Nite> i see but that depot connection thing fitet to my situation also 22:19:48 <dih> Nite: kill one of the depots and create a new one 22:20:01 <Gonozal_VIII> ask eddi, he changes that all the time 22:20:02 <dih> and then i hope you are using shared orders ^^ 22:20:10 <Nite> i did create new ones -. and new orders - didnt help 22:20:21 <Nite> but itry it with just one now 22:21:35 <Nite> done that i get "lost tains" 22:21:49 <fjb> Eddi|zuHause3: What Do I have to set? 22:21:58 <Gonozal_VIII> lost or invalid order? 22:22:03 <Eddi|zuHause3> i change "first_twoway_eol" or something 22:22:23 <Gonozal_VIII> invalid order is normal, lost isn't 22:23:11 <Eddi|zuHause3> HAH, i found why my autoreplace failed... 22:23:20 <dih> it was disabled? 22:23:44 <Eddi|zuHause3> i made a group for my diesel passenger trains, and assigned a steam train there 22:23:49 <Nite> the lost train seems normal for me too it happens sometimes 22:23:59 <Eddi|zuHause3> then in that group i set a rule to replace the BR 18 with a V 200 22:24:20 <Eddi|zuHause3> but for "all trains" there was already a rule to replace BR 18 with BR 110 22:24:23 <fjb> Eddi|zuHause3: What value do you set for "first_twoway_eol" ? 22:24:29 <Eddi|zuHause3> fjb: false 22:25:30 <Eddi|zuHause3> fjb: it means "if the first signal is two-way and it is red, treat it like an end of line (do not search paths beyond this point) 22:25:59 <Eddi|zuHause3> so... apparently autoreplace barfed at these conflicting replacement rules 22:27:02 <Nite> ok train 3 went to depot but didnt advance to the next order - ie: sent to depot dont works 22:27:27 <Nite> same thing for 7 22:28:12 <Eddi|zuHause3> Nite: make a savegame, describe what to do with that savegame, and post it to bugs.openttd.org 22:28:16 <Nite> again they dont go to depot again but try to go "somewhere else going once around the whole track" 22:28:53 <Nite> i saved but have to go now 22:29:03 <Gonozal_VIII> [23:25:30] Eddi|zuHause3: fjb: it means "if the first signal is two-way and it is red, treat it like an end of line (do not search paths beyond this point) <-- that's a good thing, i use that to route trains into waiting depots 22:29:17 <Nite> thanx for reading my not so good expieriences ... 22:29:20 <Nite> cya 22:29:21 <Gonozal_VIII> two way combo presignal 22:29:24 <Eddi|zuHause3> it's a bad thing, i don't have waiting depots 22:29:33 *** Nite [~anonym@chello062178193175.3.15.vie.surfer.at] has quit [Quit: Dana] 22:30:59 <dih> savegames can be found at http://pub.dihedral.de/openttd/savegames/FairPlay2/ 22:30:59 <Gonozal_VIII> it's a bad thing that you don't have waiting depots 22:31:11 <dih> watching his trains is sufficient 22:32:41 *** Bjarni changed the topic of #openttd to: 0.5.3, 0.6.0-beta3 | Website: *.openttd.org (DevBlog: blog, Translator: translator2, Gameservers: servers, Nightly-builds: nightly, NightlyArchive: archive, WIKI: wiki, SVN mailinglist: maillist, Dev-docs: docs, Patches & Bug-reports: bugs) | #openttd.notice for FS + SVN notices | UTF-8 is mandatory | use English | no off topic YouTube links 22:34:30 <dih> night ladies 22:34:33 * dih is off to bed 22:34:39 <Gonozal_VIII> good idea 22:34:43 <Gonozal_VIII> i'll do that too 22:35:42 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@212.24.150.226] has joined #openttd 22:36:24 <Gonozal_VIII> night 22:36:39 <Bjarni> ... 22:36:55 <Bjarni> why do you two leave for bed at the same time? 22:37:10 <Rubidium> same bed? 22:37:13 <Bjarni> that's the strangest reaction that I have ever seen to a release 22:38:03 <dih> diff is, i say good night but never manage to leave at the same time 22:38:25 <Bjarni> that is what you want us to believe 22:38:33 <dih> :-P 22:39:12 <dih> quick question 22:39:32 <dih> is there an easy way a config option does not by default get saved to the config file? 22:39:39 <dih> though if it's there gets loaded? 22:40:32 <glx> check how it's done for "blitter" 22:41:01 <dih> k - thanks for the keyword ^^ 22:41:39 <dih> now then - good night ^^ 22:41:43 *** dih [~dihedral@dslb-084-057-234-250.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:44:29 *** Gonozal_VIII [user@cm56-182-132.liwest.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:48:29 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:50:26 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host217-44-219-169.range217-44.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 22:53:39 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host217-44-219-169.range217-44.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 22:54:05 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@212.24.150.226] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:55:03 *** divo [~asd@0x4dd443c6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.2 :: www.regroup-esports.com )] 22:55:05 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i59F55FBC.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 22:57:49 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C3D9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:01:21 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Quit: May the ducttape be with you] 23:04:23 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-119-5.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:06:40 *** AntB [~AntB-UK@host81-141-195-94.wlms-broadband.com] has quit [Quit: *poof!* I am gone -=- Using ChatZilla] 23:14:01 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 23:15:36 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-1-162.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 23:15:39 *** Zahl [~Zahl@p549F1BEB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Windows shutdown) ((~_~]"] 23:19:47 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has joined #openttd 23:22:34 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl51B7893D.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:27:11 *** murr4y is now known as murray 23:33:02 *** Nukebuster [~wouter@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 23:34:29 <Wolf01> 'night all 23:34:37 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host240-234-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 23:43:15 *** Greyscale is now known as Greysc[a]le 23:53:29 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 23:53:58 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-119-5.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd