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00:00:33 <fjb> But please paint new graphics for the markers... 00:00:48 <Gonozal_VIII> i'm no artist... 00:00:59 <fjb> Me neither. 00:01:18 <Gonozal_VIII> well... i'm no coder either 00:01:45 <Chrill> neither is the CIA 00:01:52 <Chrill> but they'll arrest me anyways 00:02:05 <Gonozal_VIII> ? 00:02:25 <Chrill> CIA will arrest me 00:02:34 <Gonozal_VIII> ok... 00:03:37 <Gonozal_VIII> first i would have to silence all those warnings.. 00:03:52 <fjb> Be carefull, CIA is always on this chanel. 00:04:20 <Gonozal_VIII> comparison between signed and unsigned integer <-- stuff like that... easy... but there are some where i don't even know what they mean, even less how to fix them 00:05:08 <fjb> Then don't care about it. That are just warnings. Who did ever care for warnings? 00:05:18 <Gonozal_VIII> warnings suck 00:05:21 <Eddi|zuHause2> if it compiles, ship it ;) 00:07:00 <fjb> Yeah. Let the users find the bugs. Then only take care for the bugs they found. 00:07:30 <Gonozal_VIII> trunk compiles without warnings... i want to keep it that way 00:08:42 <fjb> Now you found the reason why some patches didn't make it into the trunk. 00:10:39 <Gonozal_VIII> for some reason my explorer froze... 00:11:07 <Eddi|zuHause2> yeah, they did it right ;) 00:11:54 <Eddi|zuHause2> hm, this sarah connor episode was weird... 00:12:05 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N847P005.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:12:20 <Eddi|zuHause2> oohh, i killed him ;) 00:13:55 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N847P005.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 00:14:32 <Gonozal_VIII> murderer! 00:14:34 <Gonozal_VIII> ^^ 00:14:37 <fjb> You killed him with Sarah Connor? Strange... 00:14:57 <Gonozal_VIII> what's a sarah connor episode? 00:15:12 <Eddi|zuHause2> Terminator - The Sarah Connor Chronicles 00:15:43 <Gonozal_VIII> never heard of that.. 00:16:00 <Eddi|zuHause2> new series, started about a month ago 00:17:35 <Gonozal_VIII> Downloaded 5 times <-- that's not much 00:17:59 <Eddi|zuHause2> you have the wrong source ;) 00:18:32 <Eddi|zuHause2> i have over 30000 peers 00:18:35 <Gonozal_VIII> Gonozal_VIIIIN^^ 00:18:40 *** Chrill [~chrischri@c80-216-64-31.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Quit: Russia will implode, on top of lws1984's hat] 00:18:48 <Eddi|zuHause2> oh, that 00:18:54 <Eddi|zuHause2> you make weird jumps of topics ;) 00:19:28 <Gonozal_VIII> it's irc... you're supposed to do that here 00:19:55 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:20:23 *** Greyscale is now known as Greysc[a]le 00:21:29 <Eddi|zuHause2> i'm supposed to go to bed... but do i do that? 00:21:37 <Gonozal_VIII> of course not 00:22:32 <Eddi|zuHause2> hm... i'm missing a primeval episode... 00:22:40 <Eddi|zuHause2> oh... there... 00:27:29 <Gonozal_VIII> why the hell do i have transparent windows now 00:27:38 *** lino [~lino@p4FCE86F0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Zzzz] 00:28:17 <fjb> You installed Vista? 00:28:35 <Gonozal_VIII> no! 00:35:01 *** asgjfgdsg [~Gonozal_V@N847P005.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 00:35:03 *** Gonozal_VIII is now known as Guest540 00:35:03 *** asgjfgdsg is now known as Gonozal_VIII 00:39:15 *** Guest540 [~Gonozal_V@N847P005.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:44:28 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-214-36.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:45:35 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F7FB.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:54:30 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N847P005.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:56:07 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N847P005.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 00:56:55 <Gonozal_VIII> warning: converting to non-pointer type `uint16' from NULL 00:57:07 <Gonozal_VIII> what's the int value of null? 0? 00:58:16 <fjb> Yes. 00:58:48 <Gonozal_VIII> so if i replace those NULLs with 0 it should do the same and silence the warning? 00:58:52 <fjb> At least most of the time. 00:59:52 <fjb> No, NULL is a pointer to nothing. Pointers are 32 or 64 bit. How big is int? 01:00:13 <Gonozal_VIII> i would guess uint16 is 16 bit^^ 01:00:22 <fjb> And is a pointer to nothing really represented by 0? Most of the time it is, but is that always the case? 01:00:47 <fjb> There is part of your trouble. 01:00:59 <fjb> Why does the pointer get converted? 01:02:05 <Gonozal_VIII> those seem to be no real pointers but enumified sprites and strings 01:02:50 <Gonozal_VIII> so i use str_null instead of null :-) 01:03:14 <fjb> What is that? 01:05:01 *** assdgdsgdg [~Gonozal_V@N847P005.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 01:05:02 *** Gonozal_VIII is now known as Guest541 01:05:02 *** assdgdsgdg is now known as Gonozal_VIII 01:05:04 <Gonozal_VIII> blah... 01:05:12 *** Nitehawk [~nitehawk@c-98-200-106-108.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:05:50 <Gonozal_VIII> the lines in question seem to be inside an array of widgets 01:06:14 <Gonozal_VIII> {WWT_PANEL, RESIZE_NONE, 7, 0, 57, 14, 45, NULL, STR_NULL}, 01:08:13 <fjb> Oh, that is bad. What kind off array does get initialized by that? 01:08:33 <Gonozal_VIII> static const Widget _build_routemarker_widgets[] = { 01:09:20 <Rubidium> fjb: what is bad about it? 01:09:24 <Gonozal_VIII> 8 times null inside and 8 warnings about null 01:09:59 *** Nitehawk [~nitehawk@c-98-200-106-108.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 01:10:20 <fjb> Rubidium: Is it always sure that a pointer has the same size as an integer? 01:10:24 <Rubidium> except the use of NULL 01:10:34 <Rubidium> fjb: no 01:10:55 *** Guest541 [~Gonozal_V@N847P005.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:11:02 <fjb> Rubidium: That is bad about NULL in that array. 01:11:07 <Gonozal_VIII> wouldn't work too well with 16 bit pointers i guess 01:11:19 <Rubidium> there must not be a pointer in there 01:11:45 <Rubidium> and I don't know what you took as example, but it wouldn't have used NULL 01:11:46 <fjb> Rubidium: That's why I said bad. 01:11:52 <Gonozal_VIII> changing it to str_null would silence the warning... but is that the same? 01:12:07 <Rubidium> anyhow, it isn't an array 01:12:14 <Rubidium> so NULL could've been valid 01:12:40 <Rubidium> if the 8th variable of the struct would've been a pointer 01:12:41 <Gonozal_VIII> not array? looks like an array... but i suck at c(++) 01:12:45 <fjb> Yes, it could, we have to know what that gets assigned to. 01:12:58 <Rubidium> Gonozal_VIII: already told that 01:13:08 <Rubidium> s/:// 01:13:30 <fjb> NULL is bad in an array of 16bit integers... 01:13:42 <Gonozal_VIII> well, i'll just try str_null and see what happens 01:14:07 <Rubidium> fjb: unless you have a 16 bit processor ;) 01:15:10 <fjb> Rubidium: Unless your prozessor uses 16bit pointers. 01:15:31 <fjb> 8086 uses 20bit pointers. 01:15:47 <Rubidium> better use 23 bits pointer then ;) 01:15:50 <Gonozal_VIII> well, the warnings are gone 01:16:12 <fjb> 23 is always good. 01:21:07 *** Tron_ [~tron@p54A3FF48.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:23:55 *** sdgdgsdsgs [~Gonozal_V@N847P005.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 01:23:55 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N847P005.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:28:28 *** Tron [~tron@p54A3FE2E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:33:02 *** Audigex [~Audigex@89.241.163.123] has quit [Quit: Try HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-] 01:34:03 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N847P005.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 01:34:38 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B77D8B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:38:45 *** sdgdgsdsgs [~Gonozal_V@N847P005.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:39:31 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@xdsl-81-173-232-188.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 01:41:05 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B77B69.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:51:00 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N847P005.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:52:30 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N874P009.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 01:53:39 <Gonozal_VIII> In member function `int CYapfCostRailT<Types>::RoutemarkerCost(typename Types::NodeList::Titem&, TileIndex, Trackdir) [with Types = CYapfRail_TypesT<CYapfAnyDepotRail2, CFollowTrackRailNo90, CRailNodeListTrackDir, CYapfDestinationAnyDepotRailT, CYapfFollowAnyDepotRailT>]': 01:53:50 <Gonozal_VIII> instantiated from `bool CYapfCostRailT<Types>::PfCalcCost(typename Types::NodeList::Titem&, const typename Types::TrackFollower*) [with Types = CYapfRail_TypesT<CYapfAnyDepotRail2, CFollowTrackRailNo90, CRailNodeListTrackDir, CYapfDestinationAnyDepotRailT, CYapfFollowAnyDepotRailT>]' 01:53:55 <Gonozal_VIII> what's that? 01:54:56 <fjb> Two different templates with the same name. 01:55:28 <glx> you miss the important part :) 01:55:45 <glx> (the warning or the error) 01:56:24 <Gonozal_VIII> there is no warning or error, just lots of that stuff 01:56:46 <Eddi|zuHause3> yes, and the last bit is the warning/error 01:56:49 <fjb> That are templates, kind of generic type. 01:57:23 <Gonozal_VIII> http://gonozalviii.go.funpic.de/OpenTTD/warnings.txt 01:58:10 <glx> you removed the important lies 01:58:13 <glx> *lines 01:58:21 <Gonozal_VIII> no? 01:59:34 <glx> because these lines don't tell anything 01:59:49 <Gonozal_VIII> yay, than i understand them correctly 02:00:02 <Gonozal_VIII> -a+e 02:01:05 <glx> show the full error log 02:02:17 *** asdfsdg [~Gonozal_V@N874P009.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 02:02:18 *** Gonozal_VIII is now known as Guest546 02:02:18 *** asdfsdg is now known as Gonozal_VIII 02:02:25 <Gonozal_VIII> trying.. 02:03:13 <Gonozal_VIII> but i didn't remove anything from those lines, only the other warnings that i already fixed 02:08:30 *** Guest546 [~Gonozal_V@N874P009.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:14:12 <Gonozal_VIII> http://gonozalviii.go.funpic.de/OpenTTD/warnings.txt 02:14:18 <Gonozal_VIII> now it's the full output 02:15:33 <glx> c:/OpenTTD/test/source/src/yapf/yapf_costrail.hpp:137: warning: comparison between signed and unsigned integer expressions 02:15:51 <glx> that's the warning causing all the output 02:15:51 <Gonozal_VIII> fixed that with (int) 02:16:00 <Gonozal_VIII> really? O_o 02:17:06 <Gonozal_VIII> oh... thanks then^^ 02:20:40 *** sdgsgdg [~Gonozal_V@N874P009.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 02:20:40 *** Gonozal_VIII is now known as Guest548 02:20:40 *** sdgsgdg is now known as Gonozal_VIII 02:25:45 *** Guest548 [~Gonozal_V@N874P009.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:26:51 <Eddi|zuHause3> i told you... the last line is the warning... 02:27:35 <Gonozal_VIII> already fixed that, didn't think that all the other crazy stuff was about that 02:28:25 <Gonozal_VIII> "fixed" i don't know if casting it to int really fixes it... at least the warnings are gone 02:29:39 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c220-239-221-78.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 02:31:00 <Gonozal_VIII> now the linking failed :S 02:31:06 <Gonozal_VIII> undefined reference to bla 02:31:41 <glx> (int) is the easy way ;) 02:33:36 *** TX [~pIRCuser6@hard-soft--121.colo2.kv.wnet.ua] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:34:27 <Gonozal_VIII> yay, finally compiled without warnings and seems to work 02:36:37 *** Christoph_ [~lekro@x410.vpn.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de] has joined #openttd 02:42:41 <Gonozal_VIII> yay 2 new warnings and 3 errors 02:43:11 <Gonozal_VIII> invalid conversion from int to windowclass 02:43:28 <Gonozal_VIII> cannot convert const widget* to windowclass 02:43:54 *** lekro [~lekro@s01060014513484ae.ss.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:44:04 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: belugas * r12068 /trunk/src/saveload.cpp: -Fix(r12067): forgot a return 02:46:41 <Sacro> http://www.boingboing.net/2007/01/25/diebold-voting-machi.html XD 02:56:56 *** Fujitsu [~fujitsu@c211-28-49-204.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:00:08 <Gonozal_VIII> aaaah min and default size 03:01:41 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: belugas * r12069 /trunk/src/newgrf.cpp: -Feature[newGRF]: Specify the purchase, rail and road description of a bridge. 03:02:05 *** Fujitsu [~fujitsu@c211-28-49-204.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 03:02:08 *** Christoph__ [~lekro@s01060014513484ae.ss.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 03:02:53 <Gonozal_VIII> so from now on the brick viaduct is called brick viaduct :-) 03:03:05 *** Christoph__ is now known as Christoph 03:05:21 <Belugas> o_O 03:05:28 <Gonozal_VIII> not? 03:05:50 <Gonozal_VIII> misunderstood it then... 03:06:28 *** orudge` [~orudge@201.39.95.8] has quit [] 03:07:34 <Belugas> you can spedify the name you want it to be 03:07:49 <Belugas> it culd be "life on mars" if you wish 03:08:02 <Gonozal_VIII> then it is what i thought :-) 03:08:19 <Belugas> and as a bonus, the 2 last bridges of ottd can be named as you wish too, which was not possible until then 03:09:37 *** Christoph_ [~lekro@x410.vpn.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:11:51 <fjb> Which are the bridges that are not in TTDP? 03:15:30 *** Aerandir [magic.powe@90-230-201-111-no37.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:15:53 <Belugas> the 2 last ones 03:15:54 <Belugas> o_O 03:17:12 <fjb> Hm, tubular bridges. 03:34:35 <Tefad> hey guys i'm requesting ttdx music for this guy 03:34:39 <Tefad> http://www.baltimorebarcams.com/vgmusic/ 03:35:18 <Gonozal_VIII> how are the grfs compiled from the source, there are no nfo or pcx files? 03:36:17 *** Nitehawk [~nitehawk@c-98-200-106-108.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:37:14 *** Nitehawk [~nitehawk@c-98-200-106-108.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 03:38:33 <Gonozal_VIII> oh.. are they just rename from that .svn-base thingy? 03:38:58 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-88-79.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Quit: The ending changes tone & is actually quite sad - but it involves a scene of necrophilia, so that's just another plus in my book.....] 03:41:06 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-88-79.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 03:44:49 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c220-239-221-78.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:48:07 <glx> they are in svn://svn.openttd.org/extra 03:55:20 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@pool-71-98-87-2.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 03:55:33 *** glx|away [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 03:55:36 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx|away] by ChanServ 03:55:38 *** Frostregen_ [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-159-104.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 03:59:15 *** mikegrb_ [~michael@mail.thegrebs.com] has joined #openttd 03:59:17 *** Gekz_ [~brendan@CPE-121-216-53-146.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 03:59:28 *** Netsplit synthon.oftc.net <-> tachyon.oftc.net quits: CIA-1, mikegrb, DaleStan, Frostregen, Tefad, Christoph, +glx, Gekz, @Belugas 03:59:28 *** Tefad_ [~tefad@c-71-63-20-187.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 03:59:48 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 04:00:00 *** glx|away is now known as glx 04:00:30 *** CIA-5 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has joined #openttd 04:01:19 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 04:02:19 *** Netsplit over, joins: Christoph 04:20:51 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 04:23:33 *** nzvip [~svip@192.38.109.188] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:31:01 *** fjb [~frank@p5485EA66.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:31:37 *** mcbane_ZZzzz [~Maui_key@p5498C91D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 04:31:38 *** mcbane [~Maui_key@p5498D988.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:33:26 *** UFO64 [~jmurray2@brodeurmb2.umeres.maine.edu] has joined #openttd 04:33:40 *** TX [~pIRCuser6@hard-soft--121.colo2.kv.wnet.ua] has joined #openttd 04:46:07 *** UFO64 [~jmurray2@brodeurmb2.umeres.maine.edu] has quit [] 04:50:09 <DaleStan> Any newgrf devs around now? And if so, what does Open do for bit 4 of varaction2 variable 1B? 04:58:44 <Gonozal_VIII> you're expecting a bit too much for that time 05:04:13 <DaleStan> I suspected as much, but figured it was at least worth asking. 05:07:53 *** gfldex_ [~dex@dslb-088-074-167-103.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 05:09:23 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 05:09:41 *** gfldex [~dex@dslb-088-074-173-210.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:44:06 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:44:07 *** roboman [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 05:56:55 *** Osai^zZz [~Osai@pD9EB4BA5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai^zZz] 06:04:07 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@dhcp-077-249-197-241.chello.nl] has quit [Quit: You just lost the game] 06:17:45 *** Jortuny [~octernion@r253186120.resnet.cornell.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:22:49 *** HerzogDeXtE1 [~Flex@i577B78D3.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 06:29:30 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i577B45C8.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:31:04 *** Gekz_ [~brendan@CPE-121-216-53-146.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:34:46 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c220-239-221-78.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 06:39:53 *** Deathmaker [~Miranda@dslb-082-083-218-253.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 06:48:25 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:51:18 <DJ-Nekkid> DaleStan: i thought you were the newgrf expert :) 06:51:42 <Gonozal_VIII> not for open 06:51:58 <DaleStan> In Patch. Not in Open. 06:52:27 <DJ-Nekkid> hehe... 06:52:29 <DaleStan> Open's newgrf support is about as well documented as Patch's code. Not at all. 06:52:42 <DJ-Nekkid> no doubt... 06:53:28 <Gonozal_VIII> as far as i understand, the code is not complete and gets changed as soon as some grf doesn't work as it should 06:55:47 *** Tron_ is now known as Tron 07:00:00 *** Frostregen_ [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-138-183.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 07:05:42 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-159-104.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:06:10 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 07:10:00 *** Greysc[a]le is now known as Greyscale 07:23:03 *** peter1138 [~petern@217.151.109.242] has joined #openttd 07:23:06 *** mode/#openttd [+o peter1138] by ChanServ 07:23:33 <peter1138> Arrrr! 07:23:56 *** Deathmaker [~Miranda@dslb-082-083-218-253.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:23:56 <Gonozal_VIII> what did you break now? 07:25:34 *** Greyscale is now known as Greysc[a]le 07:32:40 *** Tefad [~tefad@c-71-63-20-187.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 07:36:44 *** 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[~petern@217.151.109.242] has quit [Quit: bwaaahahaha, te eeeh eeehee boingk!] 08:56:40 <yorick> I'm trying to get the station track reservation in your YAPP, but its not redrawn when a train goes over it :( 08:56:49 <yorick> michi_cc 08:57:26 <yorick> I do not have enough cpp knowledge to get that working 08:58:10 <yorick> I mean the newgrf changing station when reserved 09:01:45 <yorick> or maybe I do 09:02:05 <yorick> removes if pbs_debug_level >= 2 09:02:22 <yorick> et voila :) 09:03:25 * yorick is talking to himself 09:10:24 <yorick> it works :) 09:14:07 *** lud_ [~lud@247.223-243-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:14:23 *** peter1138 [~petern@petern.bnsnet.co.uk] has joined #openttd 09:14:24 *** mode/#openttd [+o peter1138] by ChanServ 09:14:59 <yorick> hello peter 09:15:43 <yorick> I have the PBS station reserved prop for newgrfs working 09:16:15 <peter1138> Yes, it was a simple patch... 09:16:39 <yorick> however, it did not redraw the station ;) 09:17:26 *** lugo [~lugo@p4FD5FE9C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:19:37 <peter1138> *nod* 09:19:47 <peter1138> It did with pbs debugging ;) 09:20:01 <yorick> yes 09:20:05 <yorick> but not without ;) 09:20:21 <yorick> it works if pbs debug is set to 2 or higher 09:20:57 <yorick> I have just removed the if and let it be marked dirty in all cases 09:29:45 <yorick> away now 09:29:52 *** yorick is now known as Yorick|AFK 09:34:12 *** DJ-Nekkid [~DJNekkid@gprs-ggsn5-nat.mobil.telenor.no] has joined #openttd 09:37:24 <peter1138> RoR.bin: pcm_params.c:2351: sndrv_pcm_hw_params: Assertion `err >= 0' failed. 09:37:24 <peter1138> (0) : fatal error C9999: *** exception during compilation *** 09:37:26 <peter1138> ^ ARGH 09:37:27 *** DJ-Nekkid [~DJNekkid@gprs-ggsn5-nat.mobil.telenor.no] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:37:29 *** DJ-Nekkid [~DJNekkid@gprs-ggsn5-nat.mobil.telenor.no] has joined #openttd 09:39:54 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 09:39:55 *** roboman [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:42:32 *** Yorick|AFK is now known as Yorick 09:43:12 <Yorick> whats RoR? 09:43:39 *** Gekz [~brendan@CPE-121-216-53-146.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 09:47:15 *** Dark_Link^ [~glidegame@fw.dormnet.his.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:52:35 <Yorick> I have a question. 09:54:31 <Yorick> how can it be that this savegame is eating 90% of CPU? http://rapidshare.de/files/38504025/Mega_Transport__1_Okt_1986.sav.html 09:54:47 <Noldo> does it have a lot of ships? 09:55:18 <Yorick> only 50 09:55:53 <Noldo> how big is the map? 09:56:14 <Yorick> 2048x2048 09:56:28 <Yorick> just download it 09:56:40 <Noldo> I don't have the game here 09:56:54 <Noldo> ships on a big map are very cpu heavy 09:57:08 <Yorick> when I try to stop them, it drops to 80% 09:59:24 <Yorick> when was tonnes renamed to kg and litres to m3? 09:59:35 <Yorick> ait 09:59:46 <Yorick> since I set it to SI instead of metric 10:00:36 <keyweed> how many furlongs per fortnight does your train do? 10:01:16 <Yorick> what? 10:02:20 <keyweed> 1 (furlongs / fortnight) = 0.000166309524 m / s 10:02:38 *** llugo [~lugo@p4FD5E117.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:09:16 *** lugo [~lugo@p4FD5FE9C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:11:59 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 10:12:04 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 10:25:11 *** redmonkey [~redmonkey@p5B205253.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:39:18 *** roboman [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 10:39:18 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:44:53 *** Zavior [~zavior@d195-237-7-167.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 10:46:39 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B77D8B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:51:17 <redmonkey> hi. how many squares is a train able to look ahead (to find a drive-through service depot for example)? 10:51:35 <Noldo> what? 10:52:36 <Yorick> yapf.look_ahead or something 10:53:18 <Yorick> for yapf, it looks ahead 10 signals by defaul 10:53:19 <Yorick> t 10:53:35 <Yorick> drive-through service depots don't exist 10:53:51 <Yorick> it can look ahead endlessly, I think 10:54:10 <redmonkey> ___/===^===\___ 10:54:28 <redmonkey> i meant a depot placed like this 10:54:31 <Yorick> oh 10:57:37 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B77D8B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:57:47 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B77D8B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:57:51 <redmonkey> i have a train here with a reliability of 0% but it wouldn't like to go in such a depot 10:58:16 <redmonkey> ..automatically 10:58:47 <Yorick> breakdowns to off 10:58:56 <Noldo> which pathfinder? 10:59:11 <Yorick> disable service when breakdowns are off set to on 10:59:12 <Yorick> YAPF 10:59:29 <redmonkey> YAPF for trains is ON 11:00:00 <redmonkey> breakdowns are set to reduced 11:00:15 <Yorick> everytime I see a train passing throug a PBS signal, and there is another train in the same block, I think "they're gonna crash!" 11:00:24 <Yorick> breakdowns must be set to off 11:01:03 <Yorick> and then, you see the train changing its path the last moment ^^ 11:01:45 <Yorick> I hope the YAPP hits trunk 11:02:13 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@pool-71-98-87-2.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 11:02:13 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest594 11:02:13 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 11:02:14 <blathijs> YAPP? 11:02:16 <redmonkey> but i don't want to disable breakdowns completely 11:02:37 <Noldo> blathijs: the new pbs thing 11:02:53 <blathijs> Yet Another PBS Project ? :-p 11:03:03 <Yorick> yes 11:03:06 <blathijs> Noldo: Is it any good? 11:03:11 <Yorick> yes 11:03:12 <Noldo> Patch actually 11:03:29 <Yorick> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=36107 11:03:45 <Noldo> haven't tried, but people seem to like it 11:04:08 <Yorick> yes 11:04:22 <Yorick> if you build it correctly, 0 crashes 11:04:58 <blathijs> Noldo: I was curious as to code quality in particular, but you haven't seen it 11:05:36 <Noldo> no and my code quality eye is quite lazy anyway 11:05:37 <Yorick> <belugas>I have not yet tried it, but i can cmpliment you at least 11:05:37 <Yorick> a) for the effort 11:05:37 <Yorick> b) for the almost perfect compliance to the code style 11:05:37 <Yorick> c) for quite a good presentation :) 11:06:49 <peter1138> "<Yorick> everytime I see a train passing throug a PBS signal, ...." That's why I keep PBS paths visible... ;) 11:07:17 <Yorick> it isn't very visible with maglev 11:07:44 <peter1138> Oh, well I don't use maglev very often. 11:07:55 *** Guest594 [~Dale@pool-71-98-87-2.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:08:01 <peter1138> It arrives too late and is ugly, heh 11:08:25 <Yorick> but is fast 11:09:06 <peter1138> There's nowhere to put it after a map has been filled with regular rails for 80 years. 11:09:19 <Yorick> you can start in 2022 ;) 11:09:28 <peter1138> That would be horrible. 11:09:39 <peter1138> I'd miss out on the early vehicles. 11:09:49 <Yorick> oh noes! 11:09:51 <DJ-Nekkid> peter1138: then you hopefully will love the 2cc set ;) *promote* 11:09:58 <peter1138> Clearly we have different goals when playing this game. 11:10:05 <peter1138> "the 2cc set" ? 11:10:15 <DJ-Nekkid> purno's 2cc set ... 11:10:29 <DJ-Nekkid> *hook you up with link in a sec* 11:10:44 <DJ-Nekkid> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=28051&sid=7b38713e29fc78cd5b55e84dff07a91e&start=520 11:11:04 <DJ-Nekkid> now there are a handfull more coded as well 11:11:27 <peter1138> How strange. 11:11:31 <DJ-Nekkid> and monorail is converted into metro's... 11:11:42 <peter1138> I prefer to use a country-themed set. UKRS, DBSetXL, USSet, etc... 11:11:44 <DJ-Nekkid> kinda slow, but high capacity inner city trains 11:11:57 <Yorick> Dutch Train set :] 11:12:06 <DJ-Nekkid> is that done yet Yorick ? 11:12:09 <Yorick> no 11:12:16 <DJ-Nekkid> all i've seen from that is a buggy alpha 11:16:39 <redmonkey> isn't it just too easy to disable breakdowns? 11:16:52 <Yorick> have it your way 11:17:02 <Yorick> but there is no way to disable servicing then 11:18:53 <redmonkey> well, i don't want to disable servicing. i'm just wondering why some trains doesn't go to a depot to repair themself 11:19:10 <Yorick> the depots are too far away? 11:19:15 <redmonkey> it works on normal depots that are directly on a railtrack without any problem 11:19:30 <Yorick> I think they only service when there is a depot 20 tiles away from them 11:20:02 <redmonkey> let me count... 11:20:17 <Yorick> :D 11:20:27 <redmonkey> it's 12 tiles away 11:20:47 <Yorick> and reachable? 11:20:58 <Yorick> without having to turn somewhere 11:21:08 <redmonkey> yes 11:21:25 <Yorick> is it in need of servicing? 11:22:00 <redmonkey> yes, it is 11:22:09 <Yorick> 150 days since the last service? 11:22:13 <redmonkey> hmm, i think it works with 6 tiles only 11:23:06 <redmonkey> i lowered the service interval to 90 days 11:25:50 *** mikegrb_ is now known as mikegrb 11:38:06 *** Korenn [~blaat@78-27-14-50.dsl.alice.nl] has joined #openttd 11:38:40 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 11:38:44 *** roboman [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:44:05 *** Aerandir [magic.powe@90-230-201-111-no37.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 11:44:09 *** Belugas [belugas@openttd.org] has joined #openttd 11:44:18 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 11:44:33 <peter1138> Boo, my A380 crashed :o 11:44:47 <Yorick> }) 11:44:57 <Yorick> is that av8? 11:47:25 <peter1138> Yeah 11:47:41 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F5E8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:47:57 <Yorick> go including variable aircrash rates then! 11:49:18 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has joined #openttd 11:49:34 <SmatZ> hello 11:49:40 <Yorick> hello 11:51:41 *** Yorick is now known as Yorick|AFK 12:05:06 *** Yorick|AFK is now known as Yorick 12:06:10 <Yorick> [12:47] <Yorick> peter1138: go including variable aircrash rates then! 12:10:33 <Gekz> lolol 12:10:58 <Yorick> lol? 12:12:37 <Gekz> lol! 12:15:07 <Yorick> why? 12:18:31 <Gekz> because. 12:19:55 *** pm|away is now known as planetmaker 12:20:00 <planetmaker> hi 12:20:23 <planetmaker> I got a question as I obviously miss something... 12:20:36 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 12:20:37 <planetmaker> I just compiled ottd's latest nightly with the pbs patch. 12:21:02 <planetmaker> but many graphics are missing like those for the pre-signals and the autorail tool etc. 12:21:17 <planetmaker> Which file am I'm missing? ottd doesn't complain... 12:22:16 <SmatZ> planetmaker: what OS are you running? do you have subversion installed? 12:22:45 <SmatZ> or try ./configure --with 12:22:52 <SmatZ> or try ./configure --revision=rxxxxx 12:23:01 <planetmaker> I'm running SuSE linux 10.0. I have subversion 12:23:02 <Gekz> --with-me ? 12:23:23 <Yorick> openttdw.grf? 12:23:38 <planetmaker> yorick: there is one. It gets generated. 12:23:49 *** Yorick is now known as Yorick|AFK 12:23:53 <Yorick|AFK> afk again 12:24:10 <SmatZ> planetmaker: does OTTD window say OpenTTD r12xxxM , or OpenTTD norev0000 (or so...) 12:24:34 <planetmaker> the latter. It gives a warning that no revision is specified during compilation. 12:24:54 <peter1138> Best to check out the source with svn, rather than download the nightly's source. 12:25:20 <planetmaker> peter1138: never did that. can you give me a step by step instruction, please? 12:25:31 <peter1138> "svn checkout svn://svn.openttd.org/trunk/" 12:25:40 <Gekz> pwned! 12:26:02 <Gekz> svn co svn://svn.openttd.org/trunk/ openttd 12:26:09 <Gekz> huzzah 12:26:19 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c220-239-221-78.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: ThePizzaKing] 12:33:49 *** Yorick|AFK is now known as Yorick 12:36:00 *** freepenguin [~freepengu@host147-126-dynamic.1-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 12:38:53 <redmonkey> wouldn't it be nice if there were a little extra program that loads your openttd savegames and displays it in 3d? where you're able to walk around and jump in into a train of yours and drive with it to the next stop? :) 12:38:53 *** freepenguin [~freepengu@host147-126-dynamic.1-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:39:21 <DJ-Nekkid> gl on that 12:40:38 <redmonkey> hehe, you don't have to tell me.. i'm not a programmer :) 12:41:30 <Forked> "a little extra" ? :) 12:41:47 <redmonkey> i mean a separate program 12:41:56 <redmonkey> as a side project or something 12:43:47 <SmatZ> redmonkey: yeah, it would be nice, you just need 3D models of all buildings, vehicles and all sprites generally... 12:44:29 *** Zahl [~Zahl@p549F207F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 12:45:37 <redmonkey> uhh, sound like a lot of work :) 12:45:41 <redmonkey> *sounds 12:46:14 <SmatZ> yeah 12:50:12 <planetmaker> peter1138: SmatZ: thx. I'll give it a try with the svn version, patched with yapp. I'll know soon... 12:50:30 <Yorick> using windows? 12:50:39 <planetmaker> whom? me? no. Linux 12:50:44 <Yorick> ok 12:50:45 <planetmaker> At least now. 12:50:57 <Yorick> I would have had a windows binary here 12:51:23 <planetmaker> this evening I might give it a try on mac :). But if you have win binary with the latest yapp I'd be glad 12:51:47 <planetmaker> I prefer to play on my desktop that is. Can you e-mail me to newsgroups (Àt) planetmaker.de ? 12:52:20 <Yorick> I've edited the patch so newGRF's with newStations can use the reservation state 12:52:48 <planetmaker> That definitely is no backdraw :). Any newgrf which I then should download? 12:53:26 <Yorick> the only grf I know that uses it is the Industrial Stations Renewal Set(train sheds opening/closing) 12:53:52 <Yorick> do you want only the binary or the language files and grf files too? 12:54:35 <planetmaker> that's in the ottdc grf package? 12:54:41 <Yorick> yes 12:55:01 <planetmaker> If the language and grf files are compatible with normal nightly I'll have no problem to not receive them 12:55:09 <Yorick> the language files arent 12:55:25 <planetmaker> hm. I'd need an English or German version 12:56:03 <Yorick> Tar, 7-zip, Rar or zip 12:56:25 <planetmaker> anything except 7-zip is fine. preferred tar or zip 12:56:32 <DJ-Nekkid> what would the syntax for the running cost of train be? 0E xx xx 00 00 0D <factor> ? 12:56:37 <planetmaker> or gz 12:57:45 *** raimar3 [~hawk@p5489F78B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:58:26 <planetmaker> peter1138: thx. the svn version compiled fine and no missing grf now 12:58:50 <planetmaker> Yorick: can you tell me? How do I place pbs signals? 12:59:07 <DJ-Nekkid> ctrl-click on them 12:59:12 <Gekz> point blank shot signals! 12:59:24 <DJ-Nekkid> and it will cycle between normal-pre-exit-combo-pbs 12:59:24 <DJ-Nekkid> i assume 12:59:38 <Yorick> signal GUI ;) 12:59:58 <Yorick> DJ-Nekkid: if you set it so in the patches 13:00:32 <Yorick> planetmaker: I don't like email, can I upload it somewhere? 13:00:54 <DJ-Nekkid> or use signal gui :) 13:01:05 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm214.epsilon124.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:01:38 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl10-67-208.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 13:02:53 *** raimar2 [~hawk@p5489C556.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:03:00 <Yorick> http://www.megafileupload.com/en/file/44243/openttd-r12062-pbs-zip.html 13:03:02 <planetmaker> DJ-Nekkid: seems easiest. thx 13:04:44 <Yorick> planetmaker: see download url above ^_^ 13:05:06 <planetmaker> yorick: file downloaded. thx :) 13:05:46 <Yorick> deleting it again 13:06:05 <planetmaker> Okay, I think I'll have get to work now again :) and play around this evening... 13:06:11 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80EEF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:06:16 *** planetmaker is now known as pm|work 13:06:57 <pm|work> I just got too curious with so many people trying out this nice new patch :) 13:07:49 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-119-5.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 13:08:01 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80D5D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 13:08:04 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 13:08:40 <Yorick> I think that how many people use this patch and not the official openttd nightlys influences the time it gets included :-P 13:10:35 <Yorick> there is already a server running with the patch 13:12:10 *** orudge` [~orudge@201.39.95.8] has joined #openttd 13:12:12 *** mode/#openttd [+o orudge`] by ChanServ 13:12:52 <ln-> our agent in brazil 13:13:31 <Yorick> or Owenia 13:15:04 <orudge`> quite 13:15:13 <orudge`> but only until tomorrow evening 13:15:43 *** redmonkey [~redmonkey@p5B205253.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: quit] 13:18:15 *** DirtYiCE [~dirty_ice@84.236.50.38] has joined #openttd 13:18:36 <DirtYiCE> hi 13:18:41 <Yorick> hi 13:19:03 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@xdsl-84-44-225-175.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 13:19:18 <DirtYiCE> ping Rubidium 13:20:14 <Yorick> [14:20] -NickServ- 1 (online, not identified) 13:21:24 <Sacro> our agent with a brazillian? 13:22:18 <orudge`> you make jokes like that far too much, Sacro, they weren't funny the first time :p 13:30:41 <Sacro> q a b c=putStrLn $ b ++ [toEnum 10,'q','('] ++ show b ++ [','] ++ show c ++ [','] ++ show a ++ [')'] 13:30:41 <Sacro> main=q "q a b c=putStrLn $ b ++ [toEnum 10,'q','('] ++ show b ++ [','] ++ show c ++ [','] ++ show a ++ [')']" "def q(a,b,c):print b+chr(10)+'q('+repr(b)+','+repr(c)+','+repr(a)+')'" "def e(x) return 34.chr+x+34.chr end;def q(a,b,c) print b+10.chr+'main=q '+e(b)+' '+e(c)+' '+e(a)+' '+10.chr end" 13:31:38 * Forked implodes 13:31:40 * keyweed blinks 13:35:52 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80D5D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:36:48 *** frosch123 [~mtce@pascal.math.tu-clausthal.de] has joined #openttd 13:37:14 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80B22.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 13:37:17 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 13:38:12 *** roboman [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 13:38:13 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:41:56 *** lobster_ [~IceChat7@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 13:43:31 *** DaveWorley [~dave@62.6.161.178] has joined #openttd 13:43:40 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 13:43:43 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:43:53 <DaveWorley> Afternoon all. 13:44:53 <Sacro> Dave! 13:45:37 <DaveWorley> Jesu'. 13:48:28 *** lobster [~IceChat7@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:50:03 *** llugo [~lugo@p4FD5E117.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:53:52 *** DJ-Nekkid [~DJNekkid@gprs-ggsn5-nat.mobil.telenor.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:54:16 *** DJ-Nekkid [~DJNekkid@gprs-ggsn5-nat.mobil.telenor.no] has joined #openttd 14:02:19 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB712B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:02:40 *** UnderBuilder [~chatzilla@168.226.105.52] has joined #openttd 14:03:31 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 14:10:02 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm214.epsilon124.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 14:15:19 <Yorick> there is exactly one YAPP testing server from tycoonez.com:munity, but its in 1930>no rail to build :( 14:19:21 *** Greysc[a]le is now known as Greyscale 14:25:27 *** Typhoon [~Typhoon@ip565008fd.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #openttd 14:25:42 <Typhoon> yo 14:26:15 <Sacro> i wanna play with PBS D: 14:26:18 <Sacro> someone start a server 14:26:23 <Yorick> there is one 14:26:29 <Yorick> }) 14:26:36 <Vikthor> Yorick: Its with usset, ther should be trains 14:26:48 <Yorick> no newgrfs ;) 14:26:54 <Typhoon> does anyone know if TTDAlter works on Vista/ 14:27:06 <Yorick> not for ottd 14:27:07 <orudge`> should do 14:27:16 <orudge`> I've not tested it 14:27:18 <orudge`> but I don't see why it shouldn't work 14:27:36 <Vikthor> Yorick: ahh, now i remember I switched them off. But I forgot to change the year 14:27:46 <Yorick> OMG 14:27:50 *** DJ-Nekk|d [~DJNekkid@gprs-ggsn6-nat.mobil.telenor.no] has joined #openttd 14:29:10 <Yorick> its being compiled for openttdcoop.dev ;) 14:29:16 *** DJ-Nekkid [~DJNekkid@gprs-ggsn5-nat.mobil.telenor.no] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:29:47 <orudge`> 11:27:19] <Yorick> not for ottd <-- he asked about Vista, not OpenTTD ;) 14:29:57 <orudge`> TTDAlter has never worked with OpenTTD, obviously 14:30:18 <Yorick> still 1930, Vikthor 14:31:43 <Vikthor> hmm 14:33:13 <Vikthor> Now it's 1930 but with Usset :D 14:35:02 *** VictorRomeo [~vortex@p548CBD5C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:37:34 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@dhcp-077-249-197-241.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 14:39:24 *** VictorRomeo [~vortex@p548CBD5C.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [Konversation terminated!] 14:41:34 * peter1138 wonders how Sacro will cope with not being able to place signals every other tile... 14:41:45 <peter1138> Hmm, well I suppose you can... 14:42:38 <orudge`> why wouldn't he be able to? 14:43:04 <peter1138> I'd ban him :D 14:53:16 *** Christoph [~lekro@S01060014513484ae.ss.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 14:55:43 <keyweed> you should. every tile should have a sign! 14:56:25 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm214.epsilon124.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [] 14:57:53 <peter1138> Is there a short-cut key for one-way roads? 14:59:30 <Sacro> peter1138: i hate having to do that 14:59:56 <Sacro> it tends to be the only way thouhg 15:00:21 <Sacro> anything longer is inefficient when doing points 15:02:43 *** Audigex [~Audigex@89.241.169.37] has joined #openttd 15:03:28 *** orudge` [~orudge@201.39.95.8] has quit [Quit: brb, jiggling the wotsit] 15:03:48 <DJ-Nekk|d> what would be the proper way to make a vehicle never expire? \b0 or \b255 ? 15:05:54 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 15:10:23 *** orudge` [~orudge@201.39.95.8] has joined #openttd 15:10:26 *** mode/#openttd [+o orudge`] by ChanServ 15:20:12 *** divo [~asd@0x4dd443c6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 15:25:20 *** Greyscale is now known as Greysc[a]le 15:25:20 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:25:21 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 15:28:30 <Eddi|zuHause3> arghh... my system is awfully screwed up today... 15:30:12 <Eddi|zuHause3> i had memory overflow earlier today... something didn't recover from that properly... 15:30:19 <Eddi|zuHause3> i'll try to restart X 15:30:37 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B77D8B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 15:32:29 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: frosch * r12070 /trunk/ (5 files in 2 dirs): -Cleanup(r12042): Water-owner of shipdepots is no longer needed. Removed. 15:32:56 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77D8B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:35:46 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77D8B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:36:18 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77D8B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:39:08 *** roboman [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:39:09 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 15:52:50 *** Aerandir [magic.powe@90-230-201-111-no37.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Quit: - nbs-irc 2.36 - www.nbs-irc.net -] 15:56:45 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 15:59:18 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N738P008.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 16:04:16 <Gonozal_VIII> ping? 16:04:29 <saati> pong 16:04:48 <Gonozal_VIII> why is the channel so silent? 16:05:29 <ln-> you only arrived 5 mins ago. 16:08:52 *** mikl [~mikl@0x5733cec6.boanxx22.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 16:09:09 *** Christoph [~lekro@S01060014513484ae.ss.shawcable.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 16:11:14 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77D8B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:11:22 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77D8B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:11:37 <Eddi|zuHause> you pinged me!! 16:12:35 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: frosch * r12071 /trunk/src/ (station_cmd.cpp water.h water_cmd.cpp): -Feature(ette): Draw river- and canal-edges under docks and shipdepots. 16:13:26 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N738P008.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:17:15 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N738P008.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 16:17:42 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... i just had a crash... 16:18:40 <Eddi|zuHause> reversing train while waiting at signal... 16:18:51 <Gonozal_VIII> well... bad 16:18:54 <Eddi|zuHause> michi_cc: these may not happen under any circumstances 16:19:22 <Eddi|zuHause> Gonozal_VIII: well, i just saved 5 days before ;) 16:19:40 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: frosch * r12072 /trunk/src/ (station_cmd.cpp water_cmd.cpp): -Fix: Make docks at sea flood neighboured tiles. 16:19:46 <Gonozal_VIII> load because of a crash? naaah 16:20:00 <Eddi|zuHause> load because of finding out why 16:20:19 <Gonozal_VIII> reversing train while waiting at signal... 16:20:26 <Gonozal_VIII> your why ;-) 16:20:58 <Gonozal_VIII> goes to the other signal behind him from the backside, can't stop, no path, boom 16:23:27 <Gonozal_VIII> they should only be allowed to pass through the backside of a signal if they have a path 16:23:39 *** Dark_Link^ [~glidegame@fw.dormnet.his.se] has joined #openttd 16:25:12 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 16:25:24 <Eddi|zuHause> there was no signal behind it 16:25:50 <Gonozal_VIII> then what did it crash into? 16:26:50 <Sacro> someone start a server 16:26:56 *** Typhoon [~Typhoon@ip565008fd.direct-adsl.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:27:14 <Eddi|zuHause> it went straight back on the crossing 16:27:35 <Eddi|zuHause> before it reached anything like a signal, it crashed with another train 16:28:23 <Gonozal_VIII> you reversed a train into a crossing without any signals? 16:28:39 <Gonozal_VIII> and you're wondering about the crash?^^ 16:29:02 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÌß] 16:29:13 <Eddi|zuHause> not I reversed 16:29:18 <Eddi|zuHause> it reversed by itself!! 16:29:29 <Eddi|zuHause> because it waited too long at a signal! 16:29:38 <Gonozal_VIII> pbs signal? 16:29:39 <Eddi|zuHause> i was on the other side of the map! 16:29:44 <Eddi|zuHause> no, normal signal 16:29:55 <Gonozal_VIII> see... there's your problem 16:29:57 <Eddi|zuHause> "exit" signal 16:30:05 <Gonozal_VIII> they don't reverse at pbs signals 16:30:07 <Eddi|zuHause> it is not a problem 16:30:15 <Eddi|zuHause> this is how it is intended 16:30:43 <Eddi|zuHause> michi_cc said it himself yesterday... all entrance signals PBS, all exit signals normal signals 16:30:46 <Gonozal_VIII> yes... bad layout, crash, this is how it is intended :-) 16:31:06 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 16:31:49 <Eddi|zuHause> you are an idiot 16:31:59 <Gonozal_VIII> hahahahahahahahahahahaha 16:32:13 <Eddi|zuHause> this is exactly the scenario why the last PBS patch was rejected 16:32:25 <Eddi|zuHause> train reverses -> boom 16:32:28 <SpComb> Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd 16:32:28 <NukeBuster> !logs 16:32:49 <Gonozal_VIII> then don't use normal signals there or a pbs signal in front of the crossing... 16:33:05 <Gonozal_VIII> no signal at all, how is the train supposed to know it has to stop? 16:34:14 *** lobster_ is now known as lobster 16:35:58 <Eddi|zuHause> the train is not supposed to go there 16:36:19 <Eddi|zuHause> there's a don't care on that it has to stop 16:39:34 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:39:40 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 16:39:41 <peter1138> Why is it so hard to understand? 16:39:58 <peter1138> Crashes bad. 16:41:08 <SmatZ> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kDMvPCkFSU&feature=related (trams, on topic) 16:41:18 <hylje> Trams! Always related! 16:41:41 <hylje> .. eh, what? 16:42:21 <peter1138> errr. wtf 16:42:22 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N738P008.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:43:04 <Belugas> i do NOT want to visit that city... 16:44:30 <NukeBuster> me neither 16:44:37 <valhallasw> wtf 16:44:49 <NukeBuster> indeed 16:45:18 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N738P008.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 16:46:22 <ln-> wtf, it is already going straight ahead, but then magically jumps to left? 16:46:47 <hylje> that's the real WTF 16:47:01 <Gonozal_VIII> i found a big wtf just now 16:47:32 <Gonozal_VIII> a train waits patiently in front of a pbs signal for another train to pass by.. 16:47:42 <Gonozal_VIII> but then suddenly the signal turns green and crash 16:47:43 *** DJ-Nekk|d [~DJNekkid@gprs-ggsn6-nat.mobil.telenor.no] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:47:53 *** DJ-Nekkid [~DJNekkid@static128-249.adsl.no] has joined #openttd 16:48:54 <Eddi|zuHause> like this big? 16:48:56 <Eddi|zuHause> \ /___ __ 16:48:56 <Eddi|zuHause> \ / | |_ 16:48:56 <Eddi|zuHause> \/\/ | | 16:49:15 * keyweed suggests figlet 16:49:36 <Gonozal_VIII> and now another train ignored an empty platform and entered the busy one... boom again 16:50:20 <keyweed> el quaeda suicide trains mod? 16:50:34 *** Aerandir [magic.powe@90-230-201-111-no37.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 16:52:10 <Eddi|zuHause> Gonozal_VIII: there is a funny sideffect when a train without a reservation is on a track 16:52:22 <Gonozal_VIII> besides the boom? 16:52:23 <Eddi|zuHause> when a train reserves a track underneath another train 16:52:36 <Eddi|zuHause> that other train clears the reservation while it is going on 16:52:42 <Gonozal_VIII> hehe 16:52:45 <Eddi|zuHause> so even when these two trains miss each other 16:52:54 <Eddi|zuHause> the third train faces unreserved track 16:52:59 <Eddi|zuHause> so it can delay the crash 16:53:43 <Gonozal_VIII> years later some trains crash there for no visible reason^^ 16:54:55 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, because one train gets delayed by cosmic dust or so 16:56:47 <Eddi|zuHause> BR 250... that's a useful engine for once... 16:57:21 <Gonozal_VIII> from 150 to 250 16:57:33 <Gonozal_VIII> http://gonozalviii.go.funpic.de/OpenTTD/pbs/ 16:59:17 <Eddi|zuHause> no, from 254 (= E 94) to 250, rather... 17:00:25 <Eddi|zuHause> i have a few E 44, too 17:01:53 <Gonozal_VIII> they don't look past the next order... pathfinder flaw 17:03:55 <Eddi|zuHause> i have 39 194 and 38 150 17:04:23 <Gonozal_VIII> what's a 194? i think i never used those 17:04:49 <Eddi|zuHause> E 94 (DRG) == 194 (DB) == 254 (DR) 17:05:24 <peter1138> Gonozal_VIII, that might be solved by implicit signals at platform ends 17:05:28 <Eddi|zuHause> getting confused yet? ;) 17:06:07 <peter1138> DBSetXL has way too many engines that are very similar 17:07:12 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, like 181 and 111 at the same time... 17:07:25 <Eddi|zuHause> one is a tiny bit faster, the other a tiny bit stronger 17:08:05 <Eddi|zuHause> lifetime of engines should be more random... 17:08:24 <Eddi|zuHause> when i bougth them at the same time, they all get old at the same time 17:08:24 *** sdgd [~Gonozal_V@N738P008.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 17:08:25 *** Gonozal_VIII is now known as Guest624 17:08:26 *** sdgd is now known as Gonozal_VIII 17:08:30 <Eddi|zuHause> that is totally unrealistic 17:10:01 <Gonozal_VIII> Gonozal_VIII, that might be solved by implicit signals at platform ends <-- could cause deadlocks with a station setup like on my screenshot 17:10:40 <peter1138> hmm true 17:10:52 <peter1138> then a complete path needs to be reserved 17:11:02 <Gonozal_VIII> they should always reserve a path all the way to the next signal or end of the line, no matter if it really wants to go there 17:12:27 *** Guest624 [~Gonozal_V@N738P008.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:13:16 <Eddi|zuHause> if the pathfinder has no idea where to go from the station, which path should it reserve? 17:13:42 <Belugas> [12:08] <Eddi|zuHause> that is totally unrealistic <--- Good! I like it! let's keep it that way :D 17:13:54 <Eddi|zuHause> :p 17:14:16 <Gonozal_VIII> if the path splits without signals, reserve both 17:15:50 <Gonozal_VIII> because if it doesn't do that other trains could enter from there... destined to crash because there are no signals 17:17:33 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... autoreplace fails... 17:23:50 *** sahfsgdsfg [~Gonozal_V@N738P008.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 17:23:51 *** Gonozal_VIII is now known as Guest628 17:23:51 *** sahfsgdsfg is now known as Gonozal_VIII 17:26:35 <Gonozal_VIII> ok, reserving both is not good 17:27:41 *** Guest628 [~Gonozal_V@N738P008.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:27:54 <Gonozal_VIII> look and reserve the following orders until it reaches a safe place 17:28:17 <Eddi|zuHause> possible infinite loop 17:28:24 <Eddi|zuHause> plus, you cannot reserve backwards 17:28:33 <Eddi|zuHause> you free this track when you go over it 17:28:54 <Eddi|zuHause> even when you intend to go over it a second time 17:29:19 <Gonozal_VIII> why reserve backwards? 17:31:02 <Gonozal_VIII> if it turns around, end of path is reached 17:31:28 <Eddi|zuHause> trains can reverse in stations 17:31:49 <Gonozal_VIII> yes, then it reserves the platform 17:32:00 <Gonozal_VIII> and no other train can reserve a path to it 17:33:28 <Eddi|zuHause> no, but it can reverse and go out of the station without passing another signal 17:33:37 <Gonozal_VIII> with the setup in my screenshot, there could still be a train from the leftmost station to the left middle and a train from the right to the right middle at the same time if they both turn around 17:33:39 <Eddi|zuHause> on previously unreserved track 17:34:04 <Gonozal_VIII> oh right... the reservation back is gone 17:39:07 *** Zaviori [~zavior@d195-237-7-167.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 17:39:33 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:39:33 *** Zavior [~zavior@d195-237-7-167.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:39:40 *** Zavior [~zavior@d195-237-7-167.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 17:39:47 *** Sogard [~Sogard@ip68-98-68-147.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #openttd 17:39:59 *** frosch123 [~mtce@pascal.math.tu-clausthal.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:40:03 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 17:40:03 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 17:40:24 <UnderBuilder> one question... how can I install openttd on damn small linux? 17:40:42 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:40:46 *** roboman [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 17:40:48 *** Zavior [~zavior@d195-237-7-167.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [] 17:41:31 <UnderBuilder> it uses their own package manager 17:42:06 <Gonozal_VIII> since when does openttd need an installation? 17:42:09 <Prof_Frink> I'd go with "build from source". 17:48:16 <Yorick> michi_cc? 17:48:51 <Yorick> it seems like trains that are 'lost' can drive through PBS without a reservation... 17:50:58 <pm|work> We / I could supply a save where to demonstrate that. 17:51:01 *** dfhdgsg [~Gonozal_V@M3160P004.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 17:51:02 *** Gonozal_VIII is now known as Guest629 17:51:02 *** dfhdgsg is now known as Gonozal_VIII 17:51:06 *** Guest629 [~Gonozal_V@N738P008.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:55:16 <UnderBuilder> are you answering to me? 17:55:33 <Yorick> '? 17:56:11 <UnderBuilder> <UnderBuilder> one question... how can I install openttd on damn small linux? 17:56:27 <Gonozal_VIII> openttd doesn't need installation 17:56:41 <UnderBuilder> ??? 17:56:52 <UnderBuilder> quote trainlord: huh? 17:56:54 <UnderBuilder> lol 17:58:36 *** fjb [~frank@p5485EA66.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:58:41 <fjb> Hello 17:58:45 <Gonozal_VIII> hi 17:59:52 <Yorick> hi 18:01:07 <SmatZ> UnderBuilder: http://tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=36097&hilit=DSL 18:02:04 *** Amis [~amis.weas@dsl5400C311.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 18:02:09 <Amis> hi 18:03:09 <Yorick> hi 18:03:20 *** pm|work is now known as pm|away 18:04:32 <UnderBuilder> in that thread it says that I need to get some libraries which seems to be painful to install 18:05:33 <SmatZ> choose other distribution 18:05:50 <SmatZ> this is not OTTD problem, but rather DSL problem 18:06:01 <UnderBuilder> my pc is a p2 celeron with 256mb ram 18:06:12 <UnderBuilder> processor clock: 300mhz 18:06:31 <SmatZ> I am running Gentoo on slower PC :-p 18:07:04 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host72-174-dynamic.60-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 18:07:08 <Wolf01> hello 18:07:13 <SmatZ> hello Wolf01 18:07:17 <Yorick> hello 18:08:55 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@M3160P004.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:09:41 <DaleStan> Belugas, peter1138: Do either of you know what Open does for bit 4 of varaction2 variable 1B? (1B is display options. Bit 4 is transparency.) 18:09:47 *** Zoeff|ZzZz [Zoeff@a62-251-65-250.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:10:07 * Belugas checks 18:10:21 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-108-75.fttx.bbned.nl] has joined #openttd 18:11:46 <glx> case 0x1B: return GB(_display_opt, 0, 6); 18:13:23 <glx> it does nothing (we don't have bit 4 18:13:32 *** Zoeff [Zoeff@a62-251-65-250.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:14:27 *** Greysc[a]le is now known as Greyscale 18:14:29 *** UnderBuilder_ [~chatzilla@168.226.106.91] has joined #openttd 18:14:50 <Belugas> indeed not... 18:14:57 <Belugas> /* Display Options */ 18:14:57 <Belugas> enum { 18:14:57 <Belugas> DO_SHOW_TOWN_NAMES = 0, 18:14:57 <Belugas> DO_SHOW_STATION_NAMES = 1, 18:14:57 <Belugas> DO_SHOW_SIGNS = 2, 18:14:59 <Belugas> DO_FULL_ANIMATION = 3, 18:14:59 <Belugas> DO_FULL_DETAIL = 5, 18:15:01 <Belugas> DO_WAYPOINTS = 6, 18:15:01 <Belugas> }; 18:15:15 <Belugas> DaleStan, why? you have an idea? 18:15:24 <Belugas> or... does ttdp uses it? 18:15:26 <Belugas> or will? 18:15:49 <SmatZ> maybe different sprites are used when transparency is set? 18:17:14 <DaleStan> That's the possibility, indeed. TTDPatch doesn't use it, but some GRF authors may. 18:18:10 <DaleStan> At least in my mind, TTDPatch doesn't "use" the NFO spec. 18:18:54 <DaleStan> More precisely, some sprites may cause ugliness in transparent mode, and just don't get drawn. 18:20:15 <Belugas> mmh... ottd has a setting specially for transparencies, where quite a few stuff can be turned transparent 18:20:40 *** UnderBuilder [~chatzilla@168.226.105.52] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:20:41 *** UnderBuilder_ is now known as UnderBuilder 18:20:55 <Belugas> i wonder if we should set the bit 4 whenever a transparent option is turned on, then 18:21:00 <Belugas> or something like that 18:21:25 <Belugas> which should be quite trivial to do 18:21:59 <peter1138> Depends on the feature :o 18:22:41 <Belugas> of course :) 18:24:17 <DirtYiCE> any noai or squirrel people here? 18:24:36 *** Yorick is now known as Yorick|AFK 18:24:40 <Eddi|zuHause> hm, another unexplainable crash... 18:25:01 <Belugas> blame it on the cosmic rays :D 18:25:29 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@M3160P004.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 18:25:48 <Amis> OTTD is 20% game code 30% elements and 50% unknown soul 18:26:36 <DaleStan> What I've got is that every time getnewsprite gets called, I set bit 4 of displayoptions according to the transparency option that applies to grffeature, but I was wondering if there was a better solution. 18:27:46 <Belugas> "according to the transparency option that applies to grffeature" you lost me there :( 18:27:47 <peter1138> bwahaha 18:28:07 <peter1138> "Regardless, TTD [...] will become abandon ware in 2 years" 18:28:11 <peter1138> Funniest thing ever... 18:28:37 <Eddi|zuHause> more like 102 years ;) 18:28:48 <Eddi|zuHause> probably won't suffice 18:28:57 <DaleStan> grffeature is the global that sets which feature is being queried for new sprites. So, if it's 04, I use the station transparency setting; if it's 09, I use the industry transparency setting, and so on. 18:28:59 <Gonozal_VIII> it's been "abandonware" for lots of years 18:29:10 <Gonozal_VIII> doesn't change any copyright 18:29:36 <Belugas> ok, understood, DaleStan 18:29:46 *** UnderBuilder [~chatzilla@168.226.106.91] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.80 [Firefox 2.0.0.11/2007112718]] 18:30:20 <glx> Gonozal_VIII: abandonware doesn't exist 18:31:47 <Eddi|zuHause> word of advise: never try to resolve a deadlock by placing PBS ;) 18:31:56 <Belugas> DaleStan, maybe a new var? Exposing the real transparency mode, i mean 18:32:19 <Eddi|zuHause> (but this is not the reason for that crash) 18:32:44 *** Madassasin [Madassasin@82.77.166.251] has joined #openttd 18:32:47 *** asdsdfs [~Gonozal_V@M3160P004.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 18:32:47 <DaleStan> But for things like vehicles and cargos, I was hoping for an already defined behaviour. And maybe, but that doesn't fix the problem; bit 4 of var1B still has to work. 18:32:49 *** Gonozal_VIII is now known as Guest633 18:32:49 *** asdsdfs is now known as Gonozal_VIII 18:33:14 *** jp [~Miranda@dslb-088-066-045-099.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 18:35:06 <Belugas> having transparent vehicles... pleasant idea :) 18:35:54 <SmatZ> :-) not hard 18:36:14 <Belugas> nope, i don't think it would be 18:36:17 *** Audigex [~Audigex@89.241.169.37] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Now with extra fish!] 18:36:18 <Gonozal_VIII> aaaand why exactly is that useful?^^ 18:36:33 <Belugas> did anyone said usefull?? 18:36:54 <SmatZ> no 18:37:09 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A473D5.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 18:37:15 *** Guest633 [~Gonozal_V@M3160P004.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:37:37 <Gonozal_VIII> some IsTransparencySet(TO_VEHICLES)s later.. and what's the point now? 18:38:55 <Belugas> mmmh... we do not set the grffeature in the resolverobject 18:39:41 <Belugas> unless it is but i do not see it since it wears another name... 18:41:01 <Eddi|zuHause> yay, next unprovoked crash... 18:41:29 <SmatZ> Eddi|zuHause: PBS modified I suppose 18:41:46 <Eddi|zuHause> PBS, but not modified ;) 18:42:02 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 18:42:03 *** roboman [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:43:07 <michi_cc> Eddi|zuHause: just what strange track layouts are building to get that many crashes? (Note: waypoints and lost trains don't count, problem is known and will be fixed) 18:43:49 <Eddi|zuHause> apart from the first one, train reverses at signal, i have no way to reproduce them 18:44:12 <Eddi|zuHause> some rare circumstances release tracks before it is properly freed or something 18:45:51 <Eddi|zuHause> i first have to resolve this mega deadlock, before i can test further... 18:45:58 *** Yorick|AFK is now known as Yorick 18:46:04 <Eddi|zuHause> the deadlock is not PBS related 18:46:13 <michi_cc> train reversing has it's problems right now, but I think I have a satisfactory solution 18:46:40 <Yorick> ah Michi 18:47:10 <Yorick> I'll prepare a savegame wherein trains crash 18:47:46 <michi_cc> waypoint, lost train or train reversing? then don't bother 18:47:54 <Yorick> no 18:47:58 <Yorick> yes 18:48:00 <Yorick> lost train 18:48:13 <michi_cc> fixed locally 18:48:19 * Yorick wants it 18:48:23 <michi_cc> wait for the next release :) 18:48:48 <Yorick> have you done the newStation reserved state? 18:49:41 <michi_cc> no, I haven't, but i've seen the quick fix of peter1138. I jus thave to find the source line where it's on 18:49:53 <Yorick> there are 2 things needed for it 18:49:56 <michi_cc> probably in newgrf_something 18:50:31 <Yorick> first, reserved paths always have to be redrawn, not only when debug_level >=2 18:51:21 <Yorick> and on newgrf_station.cpp line 397: case 0x44: return GetRailwayStationReservation(tile) ? 7 : 4; // PBS status 18:51:36 <michi_cc> thanks, found 18:51:50 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@M3160P004.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:52:28 <Yorick> and you'll have to mark the whole path dirty when it gets reserved ;) 18:52:48 *** Barry [~chatzilla@bg1078138.hum.uva.nl] has joined #openttd 18:53:33 <Sacro> "Limitation disturbs me very sprites. Goes it throw out limitation?" 18:53:46 <SmatZ> what? 18:54:06 <Belugas> Serguey's quote? 18:54:08 <Yorick> problem with that fix is that it will return unreserved state when PBS aren't used there 18:54:34 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@M3160P004.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 18:55:49 <Sacro> Belugas: nope, not him :) 18:55:53 <Sacro> Sergey_S that is 18:56:21 <Gonozal_VIII> i used an old version of the copy & paste patch for my merge thingy... had a hard time updating it above 12040.. and now i found the 12042 version^^ 18:57:01 <Yorick> :D 18:57:41 <Sacro> alas poor Yorick ... 18:57:59 <Yorick> ? 18:58:37 <Gonozal_VIII> should have updated the patches one by one instead of merging them and updating together... i'm doing that now 18:59:26 <Sacro> Yorick: shakespear 18:59:46 <Yorick> what does "BarCrossing" and "UnbarCrossing" do? 18:59:58 <Gonozal_VIII> close the bars? 18:59:59 <Eddi|zuHause> michi_cc: when the last wagon of a train gets stopped right on a (non-PBS) signal tile, it frees the tile before the signal, and the next train reserves up to that signal 19:00:07 <Eddi|zuHause> when the 2nd train reaches that signal 19:00:17 <Yorick> means make it closed? 19:00:19 <Eddi|zuHause> it crashes with the last wagon of the waiting train 19:00:59 <Yorick> Gonozal_VIII: does it close the crossing for RV's? 19:01:15 <glx> that's how it works yes 19:01:20 <Eddi|zuHause> solution: reserve all tiles that are occupied by a train... (i said that before) 19:01:44 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:03:18 *** asdgsgf [~Gonozal_V@M3160P004.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 19:03:18 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@users.kollegienet.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:03:20 *** Gonozal_VIII is now known as Guest637 19:03:20 *** asdgsgf is now known as Gonozal_VIII 19:03:25 * Yorick is coding a piece that makes a road crossing close when 19:03:31 <Yorick> it gets reserved 19:03:34 <Yorick> :) 19:03:46 <Gonozal_VIII> hmmm nice 19:04:22 <Yorick> same behavior in ttdp 19:04:31 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@130.226.70.2] has joined #openttd 19:04:36 <Gonozal_VIII> could cause too long closed times... but less exploding trucks^^ 19:04:50 <Yorick> I'll leave the sound, 1.it can't play long enough 2.it's annoying! 19:05:20 <Gonozal_VIII> hmm 19:06:11 <Gonozal_VIII> i think that could reduce the chances to get it into trunk because it removes an existing "feature" (the sound) 19:06:22 <Yorick> it doesn't remove it 19:06:33 <Yorick> it closes 19:06:43 <Yorick> and when the train comes near, it will play the sound 19:06:50 <Gonozal_VIII> ah, ok 19:06:55 <Yorick> it will just be shut more 19:07:02 <Gonozal_VIII> hehe 19:07:21 <Yorick> and that is nice for the truckdrivers and their explosive cargo 19:07:50 <Sacro> there is a grf that removes the sound 19:08:00 *** Guest637 [~Gonozal_V@M3160P004.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:08:03 <Yorick> one line to add, michi_cc , road_map.h line 217: SetCrossingBarred(t, b); 19:08:18 *** DaveWorley [~dave@62.6.161.178] has quit [] 19:08:25 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 19:08:37 *** svippy [~svip@cpe.atm2-0-78233.0x535a2072.boanxx18.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:08:55 <SmatZ> Yorick: use MaybeBarCrossingWithSound(tile, false) 19:08:59 *** svippy [~svip@cpe.atm2-0-78233.0x535a2072.boanxx18.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 19:09:01 <Yorick> it will use sound 19:09:04 <Madassasin> hello 19:09:05 <SmatZ> to skip the sound 19:09:08 <Yorick> ah 19:09:18 <Yorick> and what's the advantage 19:09:19 <SmatZ> hello Madassasin 19:09:20 <Madassasin> I've got an idea to solve the level crossing stuff with YAPF 19:09:25 <Madassasin> shall I start? 19:09:57 * Yorick pauses Madassasin and redirects output to readable wiki page, unpauses again 19:10:06 <Barry> Goodevening 19:10:10 <Madassasin> ...lol 19:10:28 <Madassasin> basically I'm thinking that the road part should look a few tiles forward for crossings, and if it finds one, it should talk to the rail part 19:10:28 <Barry> is there a list of all patches there are in the latest nightly 19:10:33 <Yorick> SmatZ: what's the advantage of MaybeBarCrossingWithSound? 19:10:47 <Madassasin> to calculate if the RV has time to cross or not 19:11:14 <Madassasin> Barry: about 3k patches 19:11:15 <Yorick> Madassasin: we're just discussing something with crossings that get closed when they get reserved 19:11:23 <SmatZ> Barry: you can list Changelog 19:11:33 <Madassasin> hmm, what exactly 19:12:01 <Barry> Hehehhe Madassasin. Sorry I mean the patches from the forum like authority_disabler_6.diff 19:12:13 <Madassasin> oh, well, good luck then 19:12:47 <Gonozal_VIII> most patches that got into trunk have "in trunk since bla" in the topic name 19:13:25 <Eddi|zuHause> michi_cc: you can't only reserve the path up to the signal, you need to reserve the signal tile as well 19:13:29 <Yorick> SmatZ: MaybeBarCrossingWithSound accepts only 1 parameter 19:13:45 *** Amis [~amis.weas@dsl5400C311.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:14:24 <Yorick> static inline void MaybeBarCrossingWithSound(TileIndex tile) ;) 19:14:39 <SmatZ> Yorick: true 19:15:05 <Madassasin> void MaybeBarCrossingWithSound(bool scream) { if (true == scream ) { PlaySound(SND_LEVEL_CROSSING); } } 19:15:30 <SmatZ> :-D 19:15:31 <Belugas> o_O 19:15:37 <Madassasin> whut? :P 19:15:42 <Belugas> if (scream) 19:15:43 <Belugas> :P 19:15:51 <Madassasin> meh, I'm the more verbose kind 19:16:15 <Madassasin> I personally have a lot to complain about the ottd style :P 19:16:34 <Madassasin> and not the position of the braces, I couldn't care less 19:16:55 <Yorick> michi_cc michi_cc michi_cc *summoning 19:17:07 *** asff [~Gonozal_V@M3160P004.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 19:17:09 *** Gonozal_VIII is now known as Guest640 19:17:09 *** asff is now known as Gonozal_VIII 19:17:15 <Madassasin> no, no, no, pointers are bad 19:17:23 <Madassasin> michi_cc &summoning :P 19:18:14 <Belugas> Madassasin : http://devs.openttd.org/~belugas/photos/dare_to_complain.PNG 19:18:15 <SmatZ> Madassasin: your coding style scares me a lot 19:18:32 <Madassasin> when did you see some of my code?! 19:19:03 <Gonozal_VIII> if (true == scream ) <-- that is indeed scary^^ 19:19:06 <SmatZ> [20:15:07] <Madassasin> void MaybeBarCrossingWithSound(bool scream) { if (true == scream ) { PlaySound(SND_LEVEL_CROSSING); } } 19:19:09 <SmatZ> [20:17:26] <Madassasin> michi_cc &summoning :P 19:19:17 <Madassasin> Belugal: LMAO!!! 19:19:27 <Madassasin> what's wrong with references? 19:19:49 <SmatZ> they are so ... Javish? 19:19:58 <Madassasin> yea? lemme give you an example 19:20:05 <Gonozal_VIII> not only do you compare a bool to a bool to get a bool^^, you also have the value first, then the variable... strange^^ 19:20:15 <Belugas> Laughing My Ass Out (??) 19:20:23 <Madassasin> *Off 19:20:24 <Belugas> Leave Me Alone OK (??) 19:20:26 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:20:31 <Belugas> oh... 19:20:32 <Belugas> heheh 19:21:12 <Madassasin> int sum(int* a, int* b) {return *a + *b}; **OR** int sum(int& a, int& b) {return a + b); 19:21:21 <Madassasin> tell me which is nicer :) 19:21:45 *** Guest640 [~Gonozal_V@M3160P004.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:21:45 <Gonozal_VIII> int pointers? 19:21:46 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has joined #openttd 19:21:50 <Madassasin> why? 19:22:02 <SmatZ> using references leads to bugs 19:22:08 <SmatZ> it is much worse readable (for me:) 19:22:12 <SpComb> Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd 19:22:12 <SmatZ> !logs 19:22:14 <Gonozal_VIII> i don't know c++, wtf is & ? 19:22:26 <Madassasin> it's the reference operator 19:22:29 <Yorick> & || AND 19:22:41 * Prof_Frink ampersands Gonozal_VIII 19:22:49 <Belugas> Madassasin, it's easy. The one who is nicer is the one with the less bug potential, where there is less deduction been made to understand it and , most of all, the one that all the devs agree upon using (and are used to work with) 19:22:59 <Belugas> who..which 19:23:00 <Belugas> code 19:23:02 <Belugas> gaaa 19:23:28 <Madassasin> ... 19:23:48 <SmatZ> Madassasin: swap(a, b) --- most people will know that they are actually pointers to a,b - so a,b can change... 19:23:50 <Gonozal_VIII> what's wrong with int sum(int a, int b) {return a + b} ? 19:24:26 <SmatZ> but for many functions, you have to see and remember which functions use reference to do the job of pointers 19:24:38 <Madassasin> Gonozal_VIII: that's an example, go pass a 1 mb string by value 19:25:22 <Sacro> a millbit? 19:25:26 <Sacro> *millibit 19:25:38 <SmatZ> with every reference used in OTTD code my head hurts 19:25:42 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 19:26:03 <Madassasin> http://www.research.att.com/~bs/bs_faq2.html#pointers-and-references >.< 19:26:12 <SmatZ> like Chance16R(a,b,r) ... who on Earth should know that 'r' can eventually change? ... 19:26:22 <Madassasin> Sacro: mewgabyte 19:26:25 <Madassasin> *mega 19:26:43 <Sacro> MB then :p 19:27:10 <Madassasin> too lazy to use shift 19:27:15 <SmatZ> void incr1(int& x); // increment 19:27:15 <SmatZ> int incr2(int x); // increment 19:27:24 <SmatZ> yeah, who expects 'x' will change? 19:27:37 <SmatZ> when called incr1(x) 19:28:42 <Eddi|zuHause> <SmatZ> like Chance16R(a,b,r) ... who on Earth should know that 'r' can eventually change? ... <- i believe they were macros before 19:28:43 <Yorick> michi_cc: don't use the setcrossingbarred there, it's not defined yet(can't compile), move the whole reservation down 19:28:51 <Belugas> anyway, it is OUR code style, and that's the one WE are using 19:28:55 <Belugas> so... that's it fo rme 19:29:09 <Belugas> like... take it or leave it 19:29:16 <SmatZ> Eddi|zuHause: yeah, and macros are expected to have 'strange' behaviuor 19:29:44 <Yorick> oh well 19:29:50 <SmatZ> "References are useful for several things, but the direct reason I introduced them in C++ was to support operator overloading." 19:29:55 <Eddi|zuHause> SmatZ: so the function tries to mimic the behaviour of the macro, to ease transition 19:30:01 <SmatZ> yeah... operator overloading 19:30:13 <Barry> Guys where can I found a good en clear tutorial to apply a patch/diff in the latest nightly 19:30:29 <Madassasin> Barry: your OS? 19:30:43 <Barry> win vista or win xp 19:30:50 <Madassasin> BuildOTTD for XP 19:30:50 <Eddi|zuHause> Barry: search for BuildOTTD 19:30:57 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A473D5.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 19:30:57 <SmatZ> Eddi|zuHause: it could be Chance16R(a, b, &r) --- it wouldn't change the behaiour, and would be clear that it may change 'r' 19:31:14 <Barry> search on the wiki pages? 19:31:15 <SmatZ> but yes, this way it was just copy+replace 19:31:22 <SmatZ> *search 19:31:35 * SmatZ back to work... (study) 19:31:44 <Eddi|zuHause> SmatZ: well, provide a patch ;) 19:32:17 <Madassasin> ok, so why exactly do you recommend pointers or references? as I don't see any advantage, except that most of the system APIs are written in C and use pointers so... 19:32:28 <Madassasin> *over references 19:33:30 <SmatZ> I told my reason - it looks like call by value, but it is call by reference 19:34:22 <Yorick> ah :) finally working 19:34:33 <Yorick> after mixing some things together 19:35:12 *** Greyscale is now known as Greysc[a]le 19:35:16 <Belugas> r e a d a b i l i t y 19:35:26 <Sacro> Barry: i use patch from gnuwin32 19:35:31 <Yorick> yes, only whole function blocks are moved, belugas 19:35:55 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@M3160P004.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:36:05 <Yorick> actually, only the reservation part was moved to the back of the BarCrossing 19:37:07 <Madassasin> Belugas, SmatZ: is it very hard to look at the function header, or if you have a competent IDE, put the mouse pointer over the variable and see it's type (MSVC, Code::Blocks, wxDev-C++ can do this, haven't tested on other OSs) 19:37:08 <Barry> Thx Sacro I will try BuildOTTD first 19:37:39 <Sacro> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Defunct_video_game_companies <- sigh :(# 19:37:58 *** Greysc[a]le is now known as Greyscale 19:38:00 <SmatZ> Madassasin: why do you need to even move the mouse pointer somewhere, when using pointers is readable without it? 19:38:24 <SmatZ> mmm why don't we start another flame war... 19:38:43 * Sacro opens up vim 19:39:22 <SmatZ> :-) 19:39:40 <Madassasin> Sacro: so atari is gone? 19:40:19 <Sacro> Madassasin: games yes, inc no 19:42:01 <Madassasin> and which one released TTD? 19:42:21 <Eddi|zuHause> Microprose 19:42:23 <Sacro> siigh 19:42:26 <Sacro> Madassasin: out you go 19:42:29 <Sacro> don't come back :p 19:42:40 * Belugas thinks it is not worth talking about code style. It will not be changed just because a stranger comes in and thinks it is silly. 19:42:49 <Sacro> Belugas: pffft 19:42:56 <Sacro> doing things on a whim is what makes it more interesting 19:43:25 *** roboman [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 19:43:27 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:44:14 <Madassasin> Belugas: so seniour forum members are strangers to you? 19:44:24 <Belugas> Well... if it was just uop to me, it would be begin/end instead og {} 19:44:44 <Eddi|zuHause> i support that ;) 19:45:24 <Madassasin> and I'd get rid of begin, invent "then" & "do" and make it lua >.> 19:45:52 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-138-167.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 19:46:26 <Belugas> under the name Madassasin, you're pretty much a stranger to me, indeed. PLus, the seniority has nothuing to do with the pertinence of an opinion 19:46:53 <Belugas> and further more, WE are the ones using that code daily, for quite a long time thank you 19:46:55 <Belugas> so... 19:46:58 <Belugas> blaaaaaaaa 19:47:02 <Madassasin> then you might know me as `Desolator' on the forums 19:47:23 <Belugas> Desolator is known indeed 19:47:35 <Madassasin> better then :) 19:47:56 <SmatZ> Could you change mine to Bill Gates? 19:48:00 <SmatZ> beware! :-P 19:48:09 <Madassasin> sure, gimme 3 billion dollars 19:48:17 <orudge`> er 19:48:22 <orudge`> you mean give ME 3 billion dollars, surely? 19:48:23 <orudge`> :p 19:48:33 <SmatZ> :) 19:48:35 <Madassasin> no, you give each of us a dollar a second 19:49:01 <orudge`> but I'm the only one who can change forum nicknames 19:49:01 <Belugas> but that does not change the point very much 19:49:05 <orudge`> so, it'd be a bit silly giving anyone else the money 19:49:14 <Madassasin> this is IRC, nor forums 19:49:22 <Madassasin> *not 19:49:26 <Sacro> Madassasin: you sure? 19:49:29 * Sacro looks around 19:49:31 <Sacro> hmm 19:49:36 <Sacro> think you might be right 19:49:36 <Madassasin> yes I am 19:50:46 <Madassasin> well, how's the sound system going on, orudge? 19:51:09 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@M3160P004.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 19:51:33 <orudge`> Madassasin: I'm in Brazil, all my code, etc, is in St Andrews 19:51:36 <orudge`> so I haven't done anything with it yet 19:51:41 <orudge`> I shall probably look at it again next week 19:51:43 <orudge`> when I'm home 19:51:49 <Madassasin> ok 19:52:11 <Belugas> RIO! 19:52:17 <Madassasin> ? 19:52:17 <Belugas> the CArnalval!!! 19:52:19 <Wolf01> you are in brazil and in front of a computer? 19:53:00 <orudge`> Belugas: not quite Rio 19:53:08 <orudge`> a bit further north than that 19:53:08 <orudge`> Wolf01: yes 19:53:10 <hylje> so you don't have your code in a SCM? 19:53:13 <orudge`> we've just got back in from a long dayo ut 19:53:27 <orudge`> hylje: I have no desire to program when I'm in a place like this :p 19:53:31 <Belugas> still a nice place to be, orudge :) 19:53:38 <orudge`> oh yes 19:54:50 <peter1138> WHAT DID I MISS? 19:55:00 <Gonozal_VIII> a lot 19:55:02 <Madassasin> lots 19:55:04 <peter1138> :( 19:55:09 <fjb> Trains don't go to the depot on pbs tracks. Is there a workaround for that bug? 19:55:10 <SmatZ> nothing interesting 19:55:27 <Madassasin> yeah, lots of useless opinions 19:55:39 <Belugas> indeed >:) 19:55:41 <Yorick> fjb: I have seen them do :O 19:55:57 *** itchsn [~chatzilla@dslb-088-077-116-232.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 19:56:08 <Madassasin> we've been discussing code politics, you're not interested in that, a beer is better :) 19:56:17 <orudge`> that reminds me 19:56:20 <Belugas> a Madassasin that is really Desolator who requires we do change our code style because he thinks it sucks 19:56:21 <orudge`> I saw an awful lot of beer today 19:56:24 <orudge`> in the wholesale supermarket 19:56:35 <Yorick> how do I do a partial compile using MINGW and MSYS? 19:56:38 <peter1138> mmm, beer 19:56:43 <orudge`> huge palettes full of crates of the stuff 19:56:46 <Madassasin> when did I require you?! 19:56:50 <itchsn> hi 19:56:51 <peter1138> Yorick, don't "make clean" 19:57:05 <Yorick> I didn't 19:57:13 <Yorick> I just do ./configure and make 19:57:18 <itchsn> anyone can help with the .cfg file? 19:57:24 <peter1138> don't configure either 19:57:24 <Yorick> but it compiles everything 19:57:26 <Madassasin> peter1138: last time I checked, it would compile everything again 19:57:31 <peter1138> you only need that the first time 19:57:32 <Madassasin> no matter what I did 19:57:32 <fjb> Yorick: I have seen them do it in the v2 of the patch, not v3. 19:58:04 *** keyweed_ [~Dennis@home.keyweed.com] has joined #openttd 20:00:46 *** peter1138 [~petern@petern.bnsnet.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 20:01:18 <Yorick> I have seen them do in the v3 20:02:18 <Yorick> but they don't work as a PBS, and therefor don't reserve anything, and are vulnerable a crash with any train passing 20:02:43 *** jp [~Miranda@dslb-088-066-045-099.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: jp] 20:02:50 *** Madassasin [Madassasin@82.77.166.251] has quit [] 20:03:26 <fjb> Ok, you did see it. I see the trains passing by a depot a month or years after they should have gone to the depot. 20:03:26 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@130.226.70.2] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:03:45 <Yorick> hmm... 20:04:12 *** sgsadgedg [~Gonozal_V@M3160P004.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 20:04:12 *** Gonozal_VIII is now known as Guest646 20:04:13 <itchsn> can someone help me with the gameopt settings in the config file pls? :) 20:04:13 *** sgsadgedg is now known as Gonozal_VIII 20:04:32 <fjb> They reserve the path straight to the next stop, but never into the depot. 20:04:51 <itchsn> i try to get it the pocketpc version running 20:05:28 *** keyweed [~Dennis@home.keyweed.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:08:32 *** Sogard^ [~Sogard@ip68-98-68-147.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #openttd 20:08:40 <Yorick> yay-this will be a big day for the truckdrivers, they can finally do their job without getting crushed! 20:08:50 *** Guest646 [~Gonozal_V@M3160P004.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:13:50 *** orudge` is now known as Ruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu 20:14:49 *** Ruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu is now known as orudge` 20:14:52 *** Sogard [~Sogard@ip68-98-68-147.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:15:07 *** Sogard [~Sogard@ip68-98-68-147.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #openttd 20:15:31 <SmatZ> orudge` your nick is so big! 20:15:35 <SmatZ> at least, it was 20:15:41 <orudge`> yes 20:15:48 <orudge`> that's not the only thing ;) 20:15:58 <SmatZ> yeah, I guessed so :-) 20:16:28 *** Yorick is now known as Ruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu 20:16:32 *** Ruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu is now known as Yorick 20:16:43 *** Chrill [~chrischri@c80-216-64-31.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 20:17:20 <SmatZ> Yorick: there is only one Ruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu, but it is not you :-P 20:17:41 <Prof_Frink> How Ruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuude 20:18:00 <Chrill> oRuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuudge? 20:18:28 <SmatZ> :) 20:18:37 *** Sogard^ [~Sogard@ip68-98-68-147.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:19:45 <Prof_Frink> ORDGLY? 20:20:14 <Yorick> ? 20:20:19 * Yorick likes ?ing 20:20:54 <Prof_Frink> No, the correct response is "YARDGLY." 20:21:40 *** peter1138 [~petern@217.151.109.242] has joined #openttd 20:21:42 *** mode/#openttd [+o peter1138] by ChanServ 20:22:31 * Yorick has to go 20:22:45 * Yorick will cya again...He hopes 20:23:02 *** Yorick [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: * Yorick waves you goodbye!] 20:23:18 <SmatZ> :-D 20:23:25 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@M3160P004.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:26:18 <peter1138> Yay! 20:27:23 <SmatZ> Yay, peter! 20:27:53 * peter1138 wonders if anyone has some screenshots of TTDPatch's routing restriction gui... 20:27:56 <peter1138> *cough* 20:28:30 <peter1138> Hmm, found one on a bug report :o 20:31:57 *** Brianetta 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bury me.] 21:55:15 *** Guest654 [~Gonozal_V@M3160P004.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:57:17 *** HEXerium [~radio@84-104-156-223.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #openttd 21:58:29 * Belugas goes home and wishes good nigh to those worht it 21:58:30 *** HEXerium [~radio@84-104-156-223.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit [] 21:59:18 *** HEXerium [~radio@84-104-156-223.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #openttd 21:59:51 <Rubidium> DirtYiCE: pang 22:10:30 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@M3160P004.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:27:25 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host81-153-69-137.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:27:42 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host81-153-69-137.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 22:30:12 *** Greyscale is now known as Greysc[a]le 22:32:10 *** fjb_ [~frank@p5485F040.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:32:34 *** Greysc[a]le is now known as Greyscale 22:33:54 <ln-> ok, what's in Berlin? 22:35:49 <Prof_Frink> germans. 22:36:36 <Rubidium> a very broken wall 22:37:09 <orudge`> you'd think someone would have mended it by now 22:37:41 <ln-> breaking a wall is an act of vandalism, clearly. 22:38:10 *** raimar3 [~hawk@p5489F78B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:39:46 *** fjb [~frank@p5485EA66.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:40:11 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has joined #openttd 22:44:08 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c220-239-221-78.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 22:47:16 *** raimar3 [~hawk@p5489BE07.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:48:04 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:48:05 *** roboman [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 22:48:05 <DirtYiCE> Rubidium: why can't i use multiple constructor in squirrel? 22:52:16 <Rubidium> 1) I have no idea, 2) I did not write the C++ -> Squirrel interface, 3) I haven't written anything in Squirrel, 4) I have not time to take a proper look at it till at least late March. 22:52:51 <DirtYiCE> who wrote the interface? TrueLight? 22:53:05 <Rubidium> yup 22:53:22 <DirtYiCE> but he is retired afaik.. 22:53:33 <Rubidium> that's true too 22:53:45 <DirtYiCE> damn.. 22:53:54 *** Osai is now known as Osai^zZz 22:54:00 <DirtYiCE> how could i contact him? 22:55:14 *** Tekky [~Tekky@p5493F986.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:55:25 <Rubidium> try PM-ing him 22:59:54 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: smatz * r12073 /trunk/src/tree_cmd.cpp: -Codechange: stop drawing trees a bit earlier when they are invisible 23:04:04 *** Korenn [~blaat@78-27-14-50.dsl.alice.nl] has quit [] 23:05:25 *** Barry [~chatzilla@84-245-3-240.dsl.cambrium.nl] has joined #openttd 23:06:19 *** DirtYiCE [~dirty_ice@84.236.50.38] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:06:41 <Barry> Hello 23:06:45 <Barry> Anybody here 23:07:53 <Rubidium> nope 23:08:01 <Sacro> nope 23:08:06 <Barry> hehhe 23:08:16 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: smatz * r12074 /trunk/src/tree_cmd.cpp: -Cleanup: use C++ variable scope and declaration in DrawTile_Trees() 23:08:17 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80B22.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 23:08:20 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 23:08:28 <Sacro> CIA-5: ssssshh 23:08:32 <Barry> When I have trouble with compling patches where can I get some help? 23:08:39 <Sacro> Barry: try the internet 23:08:54 <Barry> haha 23:09:01 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r12075 /trunk/src/ (command.cpp command_type.h): -Codechange: Remove explicit numbering on command enum, and remove blanks from command list where old commands have been removed. 23:10:31 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 23:12:32 *** fjb_ is now known as fjb 23:14:52 *** divo [~asd@0x4dd443c6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Quit: Quitting] 23:19:00 <fjb> Barry: At least you found the internet. What trouble do you have? 23:23:38 <Barry> I work with BuildOTTD and I get a failure when I compile some patches. i wish to integrate some patches in the latest nightly for own use 23:26:44 * Zr40 pokes any dev 23:26:55 <fjb> The patches are for an older nightly build I guess. You have to look at the error messages and then alter the patch according. 23:28:58 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:34:23 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@xdsl-84-44-225-175.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:35:21 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@xdsl-81-173-251-189.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 23:36:59 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-138-167.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:44:06 <fjb> Hm, my trains seam to overlook the depots with YAPP v3. 23:45:24 <fjb> And putting the depot into the orders to go there only for service they always go into the depot. 23:46:11 <fjb> Occasionally a trains finds a depot for service every few years. 23:48:45 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-108-75.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [Quit: Zzz] 23:49:28 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 23:49:30 *** roboman [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:50:11 *** Chrill [~chrischri@c80-216-64-31.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Quit: Cancerbrae?] 23:52:08 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@M3160P004.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 23:52:49 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F5E8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:58:53 *** Barry [~chatzilla@84-245-3-240.dsl.cambrium.nl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.79 [Firefox 2.0.0.11/2007112718]]