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00:03:11 *** oh [~oh@c318F45C1.dhcp.bluecom.no] has joined #openttd 00:05:27 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Quit: May the ducttape be with you] 00:07:10 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-138-183.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: und weg] 00:10:35 *** planetmaker [~chatzilla@Fcf19.f.ppp-pool.de] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.80 [Firefox 2.0.0.11/2007112718]] 00:12:25 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@M3160P004.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:13:11 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@M3160P004.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 00:13:23 *** Zahl [~Zahl@p549F207F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: (~_~]"] 00:13:45 <Gonozal_VIII> compiling new version of my Gonozal_VIIIIN :D^^ 00:14:40 <Gonozal_VIII> r12075 00:16:33 <fjb> Have fun... 00:16:54 <Gonozal_VIII> compile still running, i hope it works 00:17:21 <Gonozal_VIII> i started from zero with the patches and added a new one 00:18:29 <Gonozal_VIII> tested all patches seperately with 12075 and they all worked... if the merged patch works is another question 00:20:49 <fjb> You will know in a few minutes. 00:21:03 *** dsfdsgsadg [~Gonozal_V@M3160P004.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 00:21:03 *** Gonozal_VIII is now known as Guest668 00:21:04 *** dsfdsgsadg is now known as Gonozal_VIII 00:27:10 *** Guest668 [~Gonozal_V@M3160P004.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:29:03 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-138-183.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 00:36:13 *** AntB [~AntB-UK@host81-141-195-58.wlms-broadband.com] has joined #openttd 00:37:04 *** asfgsgfd [~Gonozal_V@M3160P004.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 00:37:04 *** Gonozal_VIII is now known as Guest669 00:37:05 *** asfgsgfd is now known as Gonozal_VIII 00:38:37 *** murray [murray@pc4103.stdby.hin.no] has quit [Quit: leaving] 00:38:46 *** murray [murray@2002:9e27:7c85:8:210:5aff:fe3b:5950] has joined #openttd 00:41:13 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:43:25 *** Guest669 [~Gonozal_V@M3160P004.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:50:28 *** roboman [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 00:50:28 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:57:22 *** keyweed_ [~Dennis@home.keyweed.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:57:41 *** keyweed [~Dennis@home.keyweed.com] has joined #openttd 00:58:40 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@M3160P004.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:01:39 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@M3160P004.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 01:03:35 <Gonozal_VIII> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=36127 01:03:39 <Gonozal_VIII> yay new version 01:03:44 <Gonozal_VIII> ^^ 01:09:21 *** oh [~oh@c318F45C1.dhcp.bluecom.no] has quit [Quit: oh] 01:09:59 <fjb> GonozalIN 01:10:15 <fjb> Passenger destinations patch is missing... 01:10:38 *** agdsgdg [~Gonozal_V@M3160P004.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 01:10:38 *** Gonozal_VIII is now known as Guest673 01:10:38 *** agdsgdg is now known as Gonozal_VIII 01:16:35 *** Guest673 [~Gonozal_V@M3160P004.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:20:03 *** Tron_ [~tron@p54A3DB80.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:20:55 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 01:26:35 *** Greyscale is now known as Greysc[a]le 01:27:25 *** Tron [~tron@p54A3FF48.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:34:44 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B77DA8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:36:21 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B77DD6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:41:00 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHausen D: 01:41:09 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77D8B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:41:23 <Sacro> Die Eddi|zuHause2, Die 01:42:47 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B77DA8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:43:49 *** Audi [~Audigex@89.243.252.6] has joined #openttd 01:46:05 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@M3160P004.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:46:51 *** Audigex [~Audigex@89.241.169.37] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:46:51 *** Audi is now known as Audigex 01:47:35 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N884P017.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 01:48:39 *** fjb [~frank@p5485F040.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:57:04 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: glx * r12076 /trunk/src/waypoint.cpp: -Fix: when reusing a renamed deleted waypoint, keep the new name 01:57:21 *** Sogard^ [~Sogard@ip68-106-55-143.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #openttd 01:59:32 <Gonozal_VIII> hmm configure patches window is too small 02:00:46 <Gonozal_VIII> no... passenger destination patch has too many settings 02:01:02 <glx> ask the author to put a new tab :) 02:01:36 <Gonozal_VIII> i guess fixing the crash when you click on station rating has higher priority^^ 02:02:01 <glx> and the desyncs ;) 02:02:12 <Sacro> and the pbs 02:02:18 <Gonozal_VIII> pbs? 02:02:30 <Gonozal_VIII> what has that to do with anything?^^ 02:02:30 <glx> pbs is not in passenger destination 02:02:37 <Gonozal_VIII> well, it is in mine 02:03:09 <Gonozal_VIII> integrated without problems in my multipatch thingy 02:03:20 <Gonozal_VIII> without new problems.. 02:04:10 *** Sogard [~Sogard@ip68-98-68-147.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:04:10 *** Sogard^ is now known as Sogard 02:04:58 <Sacro> http://www.flickr.com/photos/renguerra/251057068/sizes/o/ XD 02:05:18 <glx> lol 02:06:18 <Gonozal_VIII> well.. seems to work as long as you don't click the bad button 02:10:57 *** peter1138 [~petern@217.151.109.242] has quit [Quit: bwaaahahaha, te eeeh eeehee boingk!] 02:11:51 <Gonozal_VIII> strange how easy it was to include passenger destination patch with all the others 02:13:16 <Gonozal_VIII> and it was for r12032 and i just plugged it into r12075 with 8 other patches without conflicts that i had to fix manually 02:19:56 <Gonozal_VIII> don't you want to make a compile on request server where people can upload a .patch or .diff file, select the os and then get the binary (link to the binary) mailed to them when it's finished?^^ 02:20:36 *** blathijs [~matthijs@katherina.student.ipv6.utwente.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:21:31 <glx> Gonozal_VIII: what did you do to blathijs? 02:21:48 <Gonozal_VIII> how do you know that it was me :O 02:22:52 *** orudge` [~orudge@201.39.95.8] has quit [Quit: zzz] 02:24:41 <Gonozal_VIII> ah.. 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03:28:40 <Gonozal_VIII> no 1000 seperator? 03:28:57 <Gonozal_VIII> ah income 03:29:07 <Gonozal_VIII> should look for the red boxes first^^ 03:29:19 <Kolky> :> 03:29:29 <Kolky> it seems to work on the AI chars 03:29:31 <Kolky> but not on me 03:30:48 <Gonozal_VIII> money doesn't get added too or only missing in the finances window? 03:31:02 <Kolky> seems to me, it doesnt get added either 03:31:37 <Gonozal_VIII> strange.. did you try with a newer version? 03:31:59 <Kolky> this is the latest beta 03:32:28 <Gonozal_VIII> http://www.openttd.org/nightly.php 03:32:49 <Kolky> dindt try that 03:32:50 <Kolky> sec 03:33:41 <Gonozal_VIII> if it works there, it's already fixed, no need to file a bug report for it then 03:35:57 <Kolky> still the same imho 03:36:30 <Gonozal_VIII> is it an old game or a new one? 03:37:46 <Kolky> http://www.kolky.nl/lol2.jpg 03:38:12 <Kolky> its a selfmade scenario, but only thing i did was use a heightmap, add random cities and random tree's :S 03:39:28 <Gonozal_VIII> hmm i get the aircraft income correctly 03:40:41 <Kolky> i used the game files from here: http://download.transporttycoon.net/ thats correct, right? 03:41:15 <Gonozal_VIII> the missing files are only sprites and sounds, shouldn't change anything 03:42:19 <Gonozal_VIII> oooh 03:42:23 <Kolky> ill clear my install and try again 03:42:25 <GoneWacko> buffer overflow in the sprite handler causing issues with gameplay code :> 03:42:31 <Gonozal_VIII> i should look at teh non red square stuff too^^ 03:42:48 <Gonozal_VIII> you're using transfer 03:43:07 <Gonozal_VIII> that drops the passengers off at the airport to wait for another vehicle 03:43:30 <Kolky> oh but why does it display money 03:43:55 <Gonozal_VIII> that's what you would get if it was the final destination 03:43:56 <Kolky> ok that was very noobish 03:44:00 <Kolky> sorry :( 03:44:15 <Kolky> guess its cause its so late :x 03:44:37 <Gonozal_VIII> yes, for me too, should have noticed that much faster^^ 03:45:32 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: belugas * r12077 /trunk/ (3 files in 2 dirs): -Cleanup: Remove files not used anymore from project files 03:46:26 <Gonozal_VIII> hmmm that commit looks like trouble 03:47:30 <glx> Kolky: you are using transferts 03:47:37 <Kolky> yeah i noticed 03:47:44 <Gonozal_VIII> i noticed :P 03:49:36 <GoneWacko> I would have noticed if it wasn't that the screenshots did not work for me before :o 03:52:44 *** roboman [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 03:52:45 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:53:08 *** Kolky [~kolky@cp1163347-a.roose1.nb.home.nl] has quit [] 03:55:19 *** safasgsg [~Gonozal_V@N884P017.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 03:55:19 *** Gonozal_VIII is now known as Guest689 03:55:20 *** safasgsg is now known as Gonozal_VIII 03:55:57 *** Sacro` [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-119-5.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 03:56:06 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-119-5.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:56:06 <Gonozal_VIII> the removal of those files didn't break any of the patches, yay 03:57:15 *** Guest689 [~Gonozal_V@N884P017.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:00:46 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i59F577D4.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 04:02:51 *** Audigex [~Audigex@89.243.252.6] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:05:24 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F54AF2.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:07:07 <Gonozal_VIII> what's up with those newlines at the end of rail_gui.cpp? 04:07:38 <Gonozal_VIII> they keep getting more and more... 04:12:21 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm214.epsilon124.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 04:15:33 <glx> extra newline in the diff probably 04:15:58 <Gonozal_VIII> ah, possible 04:16:48 <Gonozal_VIII> always get unresolved conflict there becase of the number of newlines^^ 04:18:16 <Gonozal_VIII> i've included roujins terraform patch now too :-) 04:20:09 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm214.epsilon124.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 04:22:31 <Belugas> GonozIN 04:22:53 <Gonozal_VIII> ooooook assertion failed 04:24:56 <Gonozal_VIII> hmm raising and lowering land is outside of command proc table 04:25:28 <Gonozal_VIII> ah, probably missing ',' again 04:25:30 <Belugas> drag and draw? 04:25:46 <Gonozal_VIII> yes drag and draw 04:26:40 <Gonozal_VIII> assert((cmd & 0xFF) < lengthof(_command_proc_table)); 04:26:43 <Gonozal_VIII> that fails 04:28:25 <Gonozal_VIII> strange, no missing , in the table 04:28:34 *** mcbane_ZZzzz [~Maui_key@p5498C91D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:29:36 <Gonozal_VIII> what's CMD_AUTO? 04:30:45 *** De_ghosty [~s@CPE0050ba8caf2c-CM0011aec4b06a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #openttd 04:30:56 *** mcbane [~Maui_key@p5498FD34.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 04:35:53 *** sdgdsgeg [~Gonozal_V@N884P017.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 04:35:54 *** Gonozal_VIII is now known as Guest697 04:35:54 *** sdgdsgeg is now known as Gonozal_VIII 04:37:10 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 04:41:40 *** Guest697 [~Gonozal_V@N884P017.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:47:50 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: belugas * r12078 /trunk/ (3 files in 2 dirs): -Cleanup: Add missing headers on project files 04:48:42 <Gonozal_VIII> did that have something to do with the assertion? 04:51:29 <Belugas> nope 04:51:39 <Belugas> which assertion? 04:52:11 <Gonozal_VIII> assert((cmd & 0xFF) < lengthof(_command_proc_table)); 04:52:43 <Belugas> clean trunk? 04:53:21 <Gonozal_VIII> nope 04:53:46 <Gonozal_VIII> [05:25:30] Belugas: drag and draw? 04:53:46 <Gonozal_VIII> [05:25:46] Guest689: yes drag and draw 04:53:57 <Gonozal_VIII> stupid nick stuff... 04:56:14 <Belugas> sorry, boy, you're on your own 04:56:19 <Belugas> enough to do on my side 04:56:53 <Belugas> in fact, i've got enough 04:56:56 <Belugas> i's late 04:56:58 <Belugas> bed 04:57:11 <Gonozal_VIII> sure... not your problem... i guess he forgot to add something to that array thingy 04:57:35 <Gonozal_VIII> you know it's kind of a bit later here?^^ 05:05:43 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm214.epsilon124.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:07:38 *** gfldex [~dex@dslb-088-074-145-215.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 05:09:32 *** gfldex_ [~dex@dslb-088-074-167-103.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:12:09 *** Zavior [~zavior@d195-237-7-167.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 05:14:15 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N884P017.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:21:52 *** homecable [~open@adsl-249-251-183.bna.bellsouth.net] has joined #openttd 05:25:36 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N884P017.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 05:30:30 *** homecable [~open@adsl-249-251-183.bna.bellsouth.net] has quit [] 05:39:27 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c220-239-221-78.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:41:15 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@dhcp-077-249-197-241.chello.nl] has quit [Quit: You just lost the game] 05:51:40 <Gonozal_VIII> tomatos may be slow... but eventually they catch up 05:53:09 *** DJ-Nekkid [~DJNekkid@static128-249.adsl.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:54:08 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 05:54:08 *** roboman [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:58:15 *** Jortuny [~octernion@r253186120.resnet.cornell.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:04:39 *** lugo [~lugo@p4FD5E117.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 06:14:10 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N884P017.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:22:27 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i577B651C.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 06:29:22 *** HerzogDeXtE1 [~Flex@i577B78D3.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:31:06 *** Osai^zZz [~Osai@pD9EB712B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai^zZz] 06:31:07 *** Korenn [~blaat@78-27-14-50.dsl.alice.nl] has joined #openttd 06:37:27 <De_ghosty> anyone have a hp laptop? 06:38:20 <Forked> yup 06:38:34 <Forked> nx7010 .. it's a few years old now 06:38:43 <Forked> meh, time to get ready for work 06:46:39 *** blathijs [~matthijs@katherina.student.ipv6.utwente.nl] has joined #openttd 06:56:39 *** Korenn [~blaat@78-27-14-50.dsl.alice.nl] has quit [] 06:59:19 <Gekz> Translate my soul. 06:59:20 <Gekz> Muahaha 06:59:26 *** Frostregen_ [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-157-153.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 06:59:27 <Gekz> What language is my soul in? 07:00:08 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 07:03:17 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N884P017.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 07:03:24 <Gonozal_VIII> piglatin 07:03:30 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N884P017.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:05:05 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-138-183.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:05:05 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 07:10:17 *** Christoph [~lekro@S01060014513484ae.ss.shawcable.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 07:11:25 *** peter1138 [~petern@217.151.109.242] has joined #openttd 07:11:28 *** mode/#openttd [+o peter1138] by ChanServ 07:12:14 *** Christoph [~lekro@S01060014513484ae.ss.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 07:12:37 *** Christoph [~lekro@S01060014513484ae.ss.shawcable.net] has quit [] 07:17:35 <Gekz> peter1138: I demand the translation :D 07:19:49 *** Tron_ is now known as Tron 07:32:04 <Forked> urgh, did I just break some licensing stuff by just putting win32 binary up without the source? 07:33:20 <De_ghosty> no idea 07:33:28 <Noldo> well not that much because the place where you can get the sources is quite obvious from the thread context 07:33:33 <De_ghosty> but i can't get my laptop to boot from partition it came with 07:33:41 <De_ghosty> so i'll jsut dl the damn vista cd.. 07:34:04 <De_ghosty> it's legal in canada :) 07:36:15 <De_ghosty> hey 07:36:23 <Forked> ello! 07:36:29 <De_ghosty> i have enough ram for the whole os and whatever i am running 07:36:35 <De_ghosty> how i kill the window page file? 07:36:47 <Hendikins> I'd suggest not doing that. 07:36:56 <Hendikins> Even if you've got 4 gig of RAM or something. 07:37:29 <De_ghosty> well 07:37:39 <De_ghosty> can i minimize the page file until it's needed? 07:37:45 <De_ghosty> cuz 07:37:51 <De_ghosty> swapping is slowwwwwwwwwwwww 07:38:01 <Hendikins> Most apps allocate more RAM than they need, so swapping the excess allocated out to disk is actually a good thing. 07:38:12 <De_ghosty> that's ok 07:38:16 <De_ghosty> i have more 07:38:17 <De_ghosty> lol 07:38:18 <Hendikins> Want to improve the speed of swapping? Set a fixed size swap file. 07:38:33 <Forked> mmm. coffee. 07:38:41 <De_ghosty> yea it's at 200 now 07:38:41 <Hendikins> De_ghosty: Yeah, but it is better to keep the allocated but unused RAM available instead of doing nothing. 07:39:47 <De_ghosty> or is it? 07:40:15 <Hendikins> Yes. 07:40:34 <Hendikins> Because it isn't swapping out actual data, and the physical RAM freed up can be used for things like disk caching. 07:41:13 <Hendikins> The main performance killer with Windows swapping is the constant resizing of the swapfile. Hence my suggestion of setting it to a fixed size. 07:41:19 <Hendikins> (Bonus: it won't get fragmented) 07:41:53 <De_ghosty> what u set it to? 07:42:21 <Hendikins> It would vary depending on amount of RAM. 07:42:25 <De_ghosty> 4 gb 07:42:29 <De_ghosty> xp 07:42:35 <Hendikins> You poor thing. 07:42:43 <De_ghosty> i know 07:42:52 <De_ghosty> but 2 gb sticks were too expensive 07:42:56 <De_ghosty> and vista just sucks 07:42:57 <De_ghosty> :) 07:43:01 <Hendikins> I mean the XP part. 07:43:06 <De_ghosty> yea i know 07:43:07 <Hendikins> Well, Windows in general. 07:43:12 <De_ghosty> it's still faster 07:43:17 <De_ghosty> well 07:43:27 <De_ghosty> app are made for window 07:43:36 <Hendikins> My next box is going to be have dual quad core processors, and a minimum of 8 gig RAM 07:43:37 <De_ghosty> it'll be slower if i run nix under it 07:43:47 <Hendikins> I'm just waiting for the B3 stepping Opterons 07:43:58 <Hendikins> De_ghosty: My laptop is faster with Linux than Windows. 07:44:13 <De_ghosty> but u don't play games on it 07:44:14 <De_ghosty> :) 07:44:21 <Hendikins> Pfft, games. 07:44:35 <De_ghosty> ur in openttd 07:44:36 <De_ghosty> 11 07:44:37 <De_ghosty> lol 07:44:46 <Hendikins> OpenTTD runs very nicely on Linux, I might add. 07:44:55 <De_ghosty> ah well 07:44:59 <De_ghosty> i need more 07:46:16 <peter1138> dual quad core :o 07:47:08 <Hendikins> Yes. dual quad core. 07:47:33 <Hendikins> And guess what, it won't be running Windows. 07:47:44 <Hendikins> Xen again... 07:47:58 <Hendikins> ...I should probably be slapped for that pun. 07:49:10 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N884P017.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 07:49:18 <Gonozal_VIII> wtf dual quad core 07:49:40 <Hendikins> Yes 07:49:58 <Gonozal_VIII> isn't that octcore or something then? 07:50:14 <Hendikins> No. It is dual CPUs, with 4 cores per CPU. 07:50:47 <Hendikins> Just like my current pair of single core CPUs does not equal dual core. 07:50:52 <Gonozal_VIII> anything that can actually use that then? 07:50:59 <Hendikins> make -j :P 07:51:15 <Gonozal_VIII> try with openttd :P 07:51:18 <Hendikins> It will make an awesome build box. 07:51:36 <Hendikins> Gonozal_VIII: I was primarily going to be doing it with Mozilla, to be honest. 07:51:47 <Gonozal_VIII> ? 07:52:09 <Hendikins> Parallel Mozilla builds. 07:52:17 <Gonozal_VIII> uh... why? 07:52:27 <Hendikins> Autofox 07:52:32 <Gonozal_VIII> ? 07:52:39 <Hendikins> That, and I'm the x86_64 build contributor for SeaMonkey 07:53:05 * Hendikins does a LOT of Mozilla building 07:53:11 <Gonozal_VIII> those little shrimp thingies? 07:53:47 <Hendikins> http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ 07:54:50 <Gonozal_VIII> browser part like firefox? 07:55:25 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:55:26 <Gonozal_VIII> because i use firefox and firefox rox^^ 07:55:27 *** roboman [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 07:58:37 <Gonozal_VIII> that looks like netscape... 07:59:21 <Tefad> firefox pisses me off 07:59:26 <Tefad> i'd rather be using webkit 07:59:34 <Tefad> firefox 4.0 might actually be decent. 07:59:43 <Gonozal_VIII> what's wrong with ff? 07:59:45 <Tefad> firefox is full of crazy marshalling. 07:59:54 <Gonozal_VIII> marshalling? 08:00:27 <Tefad> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshalling 08:01:08 <Gonozal_VIII> so? 08:01:16 <Tefad> roadmap says 3.0 is to have reduced marshalling, and i think 4.0 is to have it gone completely 08:01:23 <Tefad> it makes the browser very inefficient 08:01:35 <Gonozal_VIII> inefficient in what sense? 08:01:46 <Tefad> performance 08:01:48 <Tefad> for one 08:02:07 <Tefad> i just want an alternative is all 08:02:25 <Tefad> firefox eats up half my RAM and i have to restart it like i used to do windows 98. 08:03:20 <Gonozal_VIII> didn't do that to me since update to 1.5 or something 08:03:59 <Gonozal_VIII> oh, i did a bad 08:04:37 <Gonozal_VIII> now it opens ~120 instances of that seamonkey thingy 08:05:05 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@users.kollegienet.dk] has quit [Quit: http://tinodidriksen.com/] 08:05:13 <Hendikins> Tefad: Part of that is it automagically choosing a cache size. 08:06:08 <Gonozal_VIII> read the logs, changed pagefile size from system managed to 2000 - 2000 08:09:03 *** Deathmaker [~Miranda@dslb-082-083-231-205.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 08:15:55 <Hendikins> And for trivia value, I'm running my browser with an 8 meg memory cache and disabled disk cache. 08:16:17 <Hendikins> I've got a squid proxy running on my network. A browser disk cache is somewhat redundant. 08:17:00 <Gonozal_VIII> no idea what you're talking about but i'm sure it's lots of fun 08:17:04 *** Dominik [~Dominik@dslb-084-063-029-034.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 08:19:56 <Tefad> i have squid proxy too 08:30:59 *** Dark_Link^ [~glidegame@fw.dormnet.his.se] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.2 :: www.regroup-esports.com )] 08:32:21 *** mikl [~mikl@0x5733cec6.boanxx22.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 08:44:18 *** peter1138 [~petern@217.151.109.242] has quit [Quit: bwaaahahaha, te eeeh eeehee boingk!] 08:56:20 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 08:56:20 *** roboman [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:56:58 *** Deathmaker [~Miranda@dslb-082-083-231-205.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:06:37 <Gonozal_VIII> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=36127 <-- teh yays! 09:11:33 *** peter1138 [~petern@petern.bnsnet.co.uk] has joined #openttd 09:11:34 *** mode/#openttd [+o peter1138] by ChanServ 09:12:43 <Gonozal_VIII> oh, peter still up too 09:14:31 <peter1138> As it's 9:14am, I don't think 'still' applies... 09:15:00 <Gonozal_VIII> 10:15 am :-) 09:15:53 <Noldo> 11 ! 09:16:41 <Gonozal_VIII> 11 zum ersten... zum zweiten.. und der zuschlag geht an noldo! 09:17:03 <Gonozal_VIII> (that was german i guess) 09:18:04 <Gonozal_VIII> somebody downloaded my new patch merge Gonozal_VIIIIN thingy :D 09:18:27 <Gonozal_VIII> Downloaded 1 time <-- see?! 09:18:49 <Gonozal_VIII> now i'm a star! 09:19:56 <peter1138> You'll curse the day you ever made a combined patch available... 09:20:18 <Gonozal_VIII> hehehe 09:20:40 <Gonozal_VIII> i can always just start ignoring it and pretend it never happened^^ 09:21:16 <Noldo> you did iy yourself, don't try to fool us 09:22:12 <Gonozal_VIII> why would i download a file, that i uploaded myself some minutes before?^^ 09:22:16 <Gonozal_VIII> twice^^ 09:22:19 <peter1138> :D 09:22:36 <Noldo> to bump the counter 09:22:44 <Gonozal_VIII> hehe 09:23:01 <Gonozal_VIII> wow, 3 downloads now 09:23:22 <Gonozal_VIII> after 20 minutes :D 09:23:33 * Forked compiles 09:23:47 <Gonozal_VIII> that's 216 downloads per day^^ 09:23:50 <peter1138> C:\Documents And Settings\Gonozal_VIII\Desktop\mybigpatch.patch 09:23:52 <Forked> haha 09:23:52 <peter1138> C:\Documents And Settings\Gonozal_VIII\Desktop\mybigpatch.patch(1) 09:23:54 <peter1138> C:\Documents And Settings\Gonozal_VIII\Desktop\mybigpatch.patch(2) 09:24:00 <peter1138> We know that's what you have 09:24:39 <Gonozal_VIII> my username on the laptop is not gonozal_viii :P 09:25:03 <Forked> try %userprofile%\Desktop\ next time :p it's bulletproof! 09:25:16 <Forked> unless it's a foreign version of the os.. and it's windows 09:26:51 <Gonozal_VIII> btw that's all just a shameless approach to get people to use my own patch for terrain sprites under unmovables^^ 09:27:17 <Gonozal_VIII> or something like that 09:27:31 <Forked> was I not suppose to remove that before patching? :p 09:27:39 <Gonozal_VIII> :P 09:28:30 <Gonozal_VIII> at least i didn't include my version that also draws shores for unmovables^^ 09:28:40 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-108-75.fttx.bbned.nl] has joined #openttd 09:28:58 <Gonozal_VIII> that one checks for all unmovables on certain slopes the neighbouring tiles for water^^ 09:31:04 <Gonozal_VIII> did it work? 09:32:52 <Forked> it compiled, but I can't start it .. but thats because I'm at work :) 09:33:03 <Gonozal_VIII> ah^^ 09:37:34 <peter1138> :o 09:37:42 <peter1138> Lock the doors and turn the sound off 09:37:53 <Forked> glass windows into my office :\ 09:38:06 <Gonozal_VIII> baaaad feng shui 09:38:17 <Forked> also there is way too much to do here :p 09:38:42 <Gonozal_VIII> i noticed that you're very busy :P 09:42:04 <Gonozal_VIII> i changed the target of my openttd shortcut to "C:\OpenTTD\openttd.exe -d pbs=2" to see the reserved pbs paths.. but that opens not only the game window but also a console window... 09:44:26 <Gekz> console windows rock 09:44:55 *** ssadfjsahd [~Gonozal_V@N926P027.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 09:44:55 *** Gonozal_VIII is now known as Guest710 09:44:55 *** ssadfjsahd is now known as Gonozal_VIII 09:46:06 <peter1138> Gonozal_VIII, put "debug_level pbs=2" in autoexec.scr? 09:46:15 <peter1138> (Just guessing) 09:46:30 <Gonozal_VIII> huh? 09:46:38 <Gonozal_VIII> why would i do that? 09:50:00 <peter1138> It would stop the console window appearing. 09:50:09 <Gonozal_VIII> oh 09:50:10 <peter1138> (If it worked... currently I can't get it to see autoexec.scr :o) 09:50:11 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 09:50:46 <Gonozal_VIII> i could change the size of the console window to very tiny^^ 09:50:55 <peter1138> ah, it doesn't use search paths 09:51:05 *** Guest710 [~Gonozal_V@N884P017.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:51:26 <Forked> peter1138: the win32 build I put up of rev 12072 with yapp included.. should I also post source in the same directory on my webserver to not violate licensing stuff? 09:52:03 <Forked> <-no good with (reading) licensingstuff :p 09:53:51 <Gonozal_VIII> you think michi would sue you?^^ 09:57:15 <peter1138> technically you only need to provide the source when requested 09:57:16 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:57:22 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 09:57:38 <peter1138> although presumably you need to specify a way of requesting the source 10:01:41 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r12079 /trunk/src/console_cmds.cpp: -Fix: Use search paths when opening console scripts. 10:01:42 <peter1138> There. Now you can use scripts/autoexec.scr properly... 10:02:11 <Gonozal_VIII> hehe 10:02:18 <Gonozal_VIII> but i still don't know what that is 10:02:23 <peter1138> ... 10:02:39 <peter1138> It's a list of console commands to automatically execute on start up. 10:02:43 *** blathijs [~matthijs@katherina.student.ipv6.utwente.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:02:57 <Forked> "If you want the source code this is compiled from all you'll have to do is put your right hand on your left big toe, do the hokey pokey, punch a hole in the wall and then yell really loud at me in #openttd" ? 10:03:15 <peter1138> Forked, something like that... 10:03:24 *** llugo [~lugo@p4FD5EA68.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:03:45 <Forked> the hole needs to be documented :) 10:03:49 <peter1138> It's only really an issue when someone has their own patch and doesn't include the source patch. 10:04:21 <Forked> ok, thanks 10:05:52 <Forked> I just don't want to step on any toes :) .. or be more annoying than I already am :p 10:06:44 <Gonozal_VIII> yay i found that file 10:07:18 <Forked> Gonozal_VIII: should I make a win32 binary of your combination of patches as well? 10:08:01 <Gonozal_VIII> if you have webspace free for that... would be nice 10:09:03 <Forked> poor vista people 10:09:06 <Gonozal_VIII> windows thinks .scr is a screensaver 10:09:41 *** lugo [~lugo@p4FD5E117.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:10:51 *** blathijs [~matthijs@katherina.student.ipv6.utwente.nl] has joined #openttd 10:11:15 <peter1138> Never judge a file by its extension. 10:11:31 <Gonozal_VIII> yay script thingy works 10:11:41 <Gonozal_VIII> thanks :-) 10:12:28 <Gonozal_VIII> ouch 10:12:44 <Gonozal_VIII> dead end bouncing leads to dead trains 10:12:47 <peter1138> Yup 10:12:52 <peter1138> Known issue... 10:13:03 <Gonozal_VIII> yapf issue... 10:13:25 <peter1138> I'm going to assume that that at least is not the "user's fault" for incorrect signalling. 10:13:36 <peter1138> PBS issue, not Yapf. 10:14:02 <Gonozal_VIII> well as far as i understood pbs reserves the path it gets from yapf 10:14:51 <Gonozal_VIII> and yapf doesn't look beyond the next order or looks for the way back at track ends 10:15:13 <Forked> I sense the lack of will to do anything more work related before lunch .. I guess I'll work in the unused time before I head home :\ 10:15:32 <Gonozal_VIII> hehe 10:16:04 <peter1138> That gives me 7 hours... 10:16:55 <Gonozal_VIII> hmm it reserves a path with a train on it 10:17:54 <peter1138> Disallowing that, and disallow crossing a reserved path, should remove all possibility of crashes. 10:17:59 <Gonozal_VIII> and that path doesn't get deleted after the crash 10:18:08 <peter1138> For some reason, crashes with PBS seem to be desired by some people. 10:19:14 <Forked> dumdidum.. not the fastest laptop to compile on 10:19:44 *** Tron_ [~tron@p54A3D790.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:19:52 <Forked> there we go.. 10:20:17 <Forked> trunk_r12079_long_filename_r12078.patch_07.02.2008_11-19-54.rar 10:20:37 <Gonozal_VIII> should remove all possibility of crashes <-- there are still the trains that drive around without path... lost, no orders, bounced off a track end... 10:21:29 <Gonozal_VIII> even if other trains wait in front of a signal because they are in the way, the pathless will keep moving until they reach the front of a signal... or the front of a train 10:22:31 <Gonozal_VIII> oh strange 10:22:39 <Gonozal_VIII> trains with no orders reserve a path 10:22:44 <Gonozal_VIII> even after bouncing 10:23:26 <Gonozal_VIII> but they come to a complete stop at every signal 10:24:33 <Forked> lunch. 10:24:57 <Gonozal_VIII> now i had two trains crashing that were both on reserved paths 10:25:16 <Gonozal_VIII> they reserved the same signal tile 10:25:32 <peter1138> fun 10:26:02 *** Tron [~tron@p54A3DB80.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:26:45 <Gonozal_VIII> well... lots of possibilities to let trains crash... but if you know how to use it correctly it improves the station and junction layout a lot 10:28:24 <peter1138> Yeah, no-deadlock through stations are a massive win. 10:29:01 *** blathijs [~matthijs@katherina.student.ipv6.utwente.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:32:13 *** Tron_ is now known as Tron 10:32:40 <Gonozal_VIII> can't think of a good way to get rid of all crashes without trains that stop where they shouldnt (not in front of a signal) 10:36:53 <Gonozal_VIII> for example that: depot, straight track out of the depot that ends in nowhere and 2 pbs signals on that track facing the depot... on the way back are only signal backsides so the trains can't stop anywhere but after the first train passed the second pbs signal, the second train gets a free path from the first to the second 10:36:58 *** blathijs [~matthijs@katherina.student.ipv6.utwente.nl] has joined #openttd 10:38:01 <Gonozal_VIII> second train waits patiently in front of the second signal until the first train crashes into it.. 10:42:22 <Gonozal_VIII> only way to avoid that would be if the first train reserves the full path out of the depot and back without clearing it the first time 10:42:59 <Gonozal_VIII> well... not only way 10:46:42 *** Zahl [~Zahl@p549F1E37.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 10:47:10 <Gonozal_VIII> could also be that way: train reaches end of track (not a station)... it's stuck until you reverse it manually 10:47:48 <Gonozal_VIII> a don't reverse anywhere except in stations policy... 10:52:15 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:52:44 <Gonozal_VIII> and in depots obviously, can't leave a depot without reversing^^ 10:53:30 <Gonozal_VIII> but not in front of signals and not at the end of tracks.. should solve most (or even all) crashes 10:54:47 <Gonozal_VIII> bah... tired... sleep.. good night 10:55:35 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N926P027.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:24:14 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has joined #openttd 11:27:37 <SmatZ> hello 11:33:07 <pm|away> hi smatz 11:33:26 *** pm|away is now known as pm|workbreak 11:34:30 <SmatZ> hello planetmaker 11:41:50 <pm|workbreak> with a bit of tuning I really like the PBS patch :) 11:42:02 <pm|workbreak> have you tried it ^^ 11:42:09 <pm|workbreak> ^^ ? 11:43:15 <SmatZ> I tried the first version, but it was not very stable - maybe it is better now :) 11:43:58 <SmatZ> like train crashing... 11:50:16 <pm|workbreak> it's still easy to find situations to crash trains. 11:50:39 <pm|workbreak> you must not have trains which cannot find a direct path. 11:50:47 <pm|workbreak> w/o any stations in between. 11:51:20 <pm|workbreak> but station efficiency can be greatly improved :) 11:52:00 *** Gekz [~brendan@CPE-121-216-53-146.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:03:05 *** Leviath [~thomas@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has joined #openttd 12:04:13 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:11:27 *** pm|workbreak is now known as pm|work 12:15:16 *** Aerandir [magic.powe@90-230-201-111-no37.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 12:20:11 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@xdsl-81-173-254-26.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 12:23:46 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has joined #openttd 12:24:08 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 12:27:33 *** Sacro` is now known as Sacro 12:34:27 *** lugo [~lugo@p4FD5D4A8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:41:07 *** llugo [~lugo@p4FD5EA68.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:51:33 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@users.kollegienet.dk] has joined #openttd 12:53:13 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 13:07:23 *** liona29 [~liona29@d033.dhcp212-198-248.noos.fr] has joined #openttd 13:09:30 *** jenny20 [~jenny20@d033.dhcp212-198-248.noos.fr] has joined #openttd 13:09:36 *** liona29 [~liona29@d033.dhcp212-198-248.noos.fr] has quit [] 13:11:39 *** jenny20 [~jenny20@d033.dhcp212-198-248.noos.fr] has quit [] 13:21:25 *** divo [~asd@0x4dd443c6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 13:24:32 *** llugo [~lugo@p4FD5E2BB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:31:27 *** lugo [~lugo@p4FD5D4A8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:35:42 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80B22.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:37:15 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80433.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 13:37:16 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 13:38:28 *** Tim_ [~Tim@p5088560A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:38:59 <Tim_> Hi guys! 13:40:14 <Tim_> I have winxp and want to compile a binary conatining 2 different .patch files... I know how to compile ONE patch file with BuildOTTD, however, it seems not to be possible to compile 2 patches with it. Is that possible with this TortoiseSVN? 13:40:37 <Forked> sure.. apply both patches to the source .. 13:40:45 <Forked> then make one patch from that, using tortoisesvn 13:41:35 <Tim_> okay... i'm not very skilled at this stuff... so step for step... I have my 2 patch files, what do i do first, use TortoiseSVN and apply both patches? 13:42:05 <Rubidium> chances are though that a) applying the second patch fails horribly, b) the compilation fails horribly and c) the binary fails horribly (crashes and such) 13:42:19 <Tim_> hehe i guess... 13:42:39 <Tim_> But how to try it anyway? 13:42:39 <Forked> see if both patches you want are already in this pack: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=36127 13:43:08 <Tim_> unfortunately not... 13:43:13 <Tim_> i want yapp and pax destinations 13:43:39 <Forked> I see this in that thread: long_filename_with_passdest_r12075.patch [439.94 KB] 13:43:40 <Tim_> ah wait... 13:45:03 <Tim_> yep^^ 13:45:09 <Tim_> just seen that... 13:45:22 <Tim_> but still, how does it work to combine patches? 13:45:50 <Tim_> Is it just merging the 2 patches with tortoisesvn to one new one and then compile it with buildottd? 13:47:23 *** TX [~pIRCuser6@hard-soft--121.colo2.kv.wnet.ua] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:47:41 <Forked> you check out a rev of the source both patches should work with .. apply them to the trunk you just got.. create one patch from that and use that in buildottd.. then pray and hope it works 13:49:55 <Tim_> uff... 13:50:35 <Tim_> Would be great if there was a site where all those things would be explained... But only thing i got is the Forum Thread, in which the explanation is rather crappy... 13:50:48 <Forked> probably a reason buildottd only has support for one patch(file) :) 13:51:03 <Forked> wiki has info on how to use visual studio c++ express I belive 13:51:14 <Forked> alot of work though 13:51:33 <Tim_> Àhm... 13:51:52 <Tim_> if i just make svn checkout it downloads all the files from the website... THAT is the source then? 13:53:26 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@dhcp-077-249-197-241.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 13:56:05 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-108-75.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:58:28 *** orudge` [~orudge@201.39.95.8] has joined #openttd 13:58:31 *** mode/#openttd [+o orudge`] by ChanServ 14:04:41 <Forked> yes.. if I understood you correctly.. try the wiki .. it has alot of info about compiling :) 14:05:42 <Tim_> Well, what i did now was using TortoiseSVN: "SVN Checkout" (downloads the source), add patch #1, add patch #2, rightklick "create patch" and compile this with buildottd 14:05:42 <Sacro> Tim_: not from the website 14:05:45 <Sacro> from the svn repo 14:06:02 <Tim_> yeah but tortoisesvn does that automatically, doesn't it? 14:06:08 <Tim_> with svn checkout... 14:06:24 <Tim_> however, i compiled the patch in the forum... seems to work :) 14:06:51 <peter1138> not if you only check out trunk 14:07:05 <peter1138> checking out / is way too much, heh 14:07:19 <Tim_> but it works that way? 14:07:34 <Tim_> i don't know what you mean by "checking out trunk" ... ;-) 14:07:42 <peter1138> svn://svn.openttd.org/trunk/ 14:07:47 <Tim_> ah yes 14:07:48 <peter1138> rather than svn://svn.openttd.org/ 14:07:51 <Tim_> that's what i did... 14:08:01 <Tim_> i did /trunk ;-) 14:08:35 <peter1138> Right, then you don't have the website ;) 14:08:41 <Tim_> ^^ 14:08:49 <Tim_> and is my described way the right one? 14:08:58 <Tim_> TortoiseSVN: "SVN Checkout" (downloads the source), add patch #1, add patch #2, rightklick "create patch" and compile this with buildottd 14:09:15 <peter1138> or just compile what you checked out 14:09:31 <Tim_> huh? 14:09:32 *** lugo [~lugo@p4FD5D8F8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:09:54 <Tim_> how you mean? 14:10:45 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 14:10:48 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 14:10:56 <Tim_> argh, and a question btw... where are my settings beeing saved? 14:11:03 <Tim_> like new grfs or patch settings 14:11:17 <glx> in openttd.cfg 14:12:03 <Tim_> ofc...^^ 14:12:14 <Tim_> ;) 14:12:34 <Tim_> But if it is as easy as i described... Why is there no tutorial telling exactly that?? 14:13:00 <Noldo> how to build a piece of software? 14:13:03 <glx> the wiki contains a lot of info about the config file 14:13:21 <Tim_> i mean it's not like i am a complete retard, still it took me days just to figure out how to make a working build out of a patch file 14:13:34 <Tim_> Can i compile with TortoiseSVN btw? 14:13:43 <glx> it's not a compiler 14:14:11 <Tim_> i was wondering because peter said: "[15:09] peter1138: or just compile what you checked out" 14:15:18 <De_ghosty> that is right 14:15:24 *** llugo [~lugo@p4FD5E2BB.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:15:33 <Noldo> you don't have to apply any patched to compile 14:15:46 *** Nicko[work] [~kvirc@nat3.4c.ru] has joined #openttd 14:16:14 <Tim_> yeah okay but then i would just get the latest nightly, wouldn't i? 14:16:34 <peter1138> checkout source. apply patches. compile. 14:16:44 <Tim_> yep... 14:16:49 <Tim_> :) 14:17:15 <Tim_> checkout source. apply patches. create patch. compile. 14:17:22 <Noldo> why create? 14:17:24 <peter1138> see, that's an extra step 14:17:36 <Tim_> yeah that's what i don't get, how to skip that 14:17:54 <Noldo> why do you do it in the first place 14:18:06 <Tim_> i mean i have that folder with the source + extra patches 14:18:12 <Noldo> it's not like you are able to compile the patch anyway 14:18:20 <Noldo> Tim_: patch files or applied patches? 14:18:26 <Tim_> okay slow now^^ 14:18:30 <Tim_> what i do now! 14:18:38 <Tim_> is apply the patches @ tortoisesvn 14:18:47 <Tim_> then create a .patch file 14:18:56 <Tim_> and compile that patch file with buildottd 14:19:00 <Noldo> ahaa 14:19:16 <Noldo> do that if it works for you 14:19:49 <Tim_> What would be the other way? I apply patches with TortoiseSVN, then i have a source code with the additional patches in it... 14:19:53 <Tim_> How do i compile that then? 14:20:22 <Noldo> with a compiler, but it's not as straight forward as using BuildOTTD 14:20:29 <Belugas> the only valid other way would be to install a decent compiler 14:20:40 <Tim_> hm 14:20:58 <Tim_> Okay, then i guess i will stick to BuildOTTD 14:20:58 <glx> msvc express works (and is easy to install) 14:21:01 <Belugas> and personally, that is THE best way to go 14:21:19 <glx> builottd already installed mingw/msys 14:21:43 <glx> so you can use this compiler too without the buildottd frontend 14:21:47 <De_ghosty> read the 14:21:50 <De_ghosty> wiki manual on 14:21:52 <De_ghosty> compiling 14:21:58 <De_ghosty> it's pretty decent 14:22:13 <Tim_> hm... 14:22:24 <Tim_> should i maybe write a good tutorial for the development forum?^^ 14:22:58 <Noldo> well, everybody who has ever writen any programs knows it 14:23:11 <Tim_> and what about the poor users who just want to play with pax destinations or so? 14:23:14 <Tim_> like me? :D 14:23:32 <Nicko[work]> hi all 14:24:13 <Tim_> i mean, what would help already was just to write in that "How to apply a .patch/.diff file" that you can just download BuildOTTD and you're done in 10 seconds 14:24:37 <Tim_> if not applying more than one .patch file 14:24:56 <Nicko[work]> i've got a patch for russian town names. how about including it into the main tree? 14:25:08 <glx> make it a grf :) 14:25:18 <De_ghosty> http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Compiling_on_MinGW 14:25:36 <glx> we won't add town names patch as it is possible to do that with action F newgrfs 14:26:00 <De_ghosty> http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Cygwin 14:26:39 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:27:09 <glx> Nicko[work]: I made two samples in http://devs.openttd.org/~glx/townname/ (converted 2 ottd generators into action F) 14:28:27 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i59F577D4.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:28:33 <Nicko[work]> i see.. 14:29:18 <Nicko[work]> my list is real-city-names-array-based, like spanish or french 14:31:13 <Belugas> Nicko[work], what glx have shown you can do that too 14:31:22 <Belugas> no more no less 14:31:26 <Belugas> ... 14:31:36 <Belugas> no less and way more 14:31:39 <Belugas> grrrr 14:31:49 <glx> and a name list is even easier to code :) 14:33:15 <Forked> funny how compiling stuff is alot harder in windows than linux :\ 14:33:38 <Tim_> Hey, here comes a question... I'm just reinstalling everything that got to do with TTD as i had different versions laying all around my harddisk.... Is there a way i can set up a similar save location for all my builds i'm using? 14:33:50 <Forked> I guess windows developers spend their time on OH SHINY STUFF IS COOL rather than make it usable for more stuff :) 14:34:11 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F577D4.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 14:34:16 <Noldo> Forked: compiling is just normal using in *nixes 14:34:28 <Forked> Noldo: it should be in windows too :p 14:35:11 <Noldo> why? 14:35:49 <Noldo> it's not like people are compiling new versions of office or let alone the windows kernel all the time 14:36:23 *** lidi20 [~lidi20@d033.dhcp212-198-248.noos.fr] has joined #openttd 14:36:25 *** Jortuny [~octernion@r253186120.resnet.cornell.edu] has joined #openttd 14:36:32 <Forked> true, but open source is in use more and more :) (ye I don't really have any good points other than "it would be easier for me the few times I do compile stuff in that OS") 14:38:42 *** lidi20 [~lidi20@d033.dhcp212-198-248.noos.fr] has quit [] 14:40:10 <Belugas> Forked, it is not harder to compile on Windows than on *nix 14:40:16 <Belugas> it's just a matter of the right setup 14:40:37 <Forked> Belugas: it was a bitch to install vc c++ 2003 express and get it working.. then suddenly it borked :) 14:40:58 <saati> Belugas: but it is much harder to get the right setup 14:41:10 <Belugas> Windows customer base is not the same as *nix, therefor it is not built the same,nor the tools availabel are the same 14:41:43 <Belugas> *nix is done by and for computer savvy to a certain extend 14:41:45 *** andyf [andyf@85.158.46.66] has joined #openttd 14:42:03 <Belugas> not the case in Windows 14:42:22 <Belugas> so, you might need a LITTLE knowledge in order to set it up 14:42:47 *** Tim_ [~Tim@p5088560A.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 14:42:50 <Belugas> Forked, if it borked, it's becasue you made it broke 14:43:05 <Belugas> saati, it all depends on what you want to do 14:43:48 <Belugas> and... everything is not always working out of the box in *nix either... 14:44:01 <Belugas> there are plus and minus in every system 14:44:03 <Belugas> that's all 14:44:05 *** yorick [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 14:44:41 <Forked> Belugas: no no, I think support for 2003 was removed because it failed for no properly logged reason when compiling 14:45:19 <Belugas> well... give us proper fix then 14:45:35 <Forked> I'm not blaming you or any other openttd developer for it 14:45:47 <Forked> and I'm not complaining about anything that has to do with openttd :p 14:46:24 <glx> it failed for internal compiler error 14:46:55 *** jenny20 [~jenny20@d033.dhcp212-198-248.noos.fr] has joined #openttd 14:47:02 <glx> and express 2005 and 2008 are free 14:47:12 <glx> and they work 14:47:36 *** llugo [~lugo@p4FD5C886.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:49:04 *** jenny20 [~jenny20@d033.dhcp212-198-248.noos.fr] has quit [] 14:49:47 *** Greysc[a]le is now known as Greyscale 14:50:00 <Forked> so does buildottd for most things :) I like it 14:51:20 *** andyf [andyf@85.158.46.66] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:51:23 *** andyf [andyf@85.158.46.66] has joined #openttd 14:51:40 <yorick> it seems that the reservation bit is set to false on all rail tiles when loading not-pbs savegame or creating one with michi_cc's patch? 14:53:29 <yorick> assertions must always be passed true, right :O? 14:54:16 *** lugo [~lugo@p4FD5D8F8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:54:56 *** Greyscale is now known as Greysc[a]le 14:56:18 <yorick> isn't it better to just make it barred when it's not barred in road_cmd.cpp line 1382? 14:58:22 * yorick just keeps asking questions until someone answers 14:58:43 <peter1138> [14:51] <yorick> it seems that the reservation bit is set to false on all rail tiles when loading not-pbs savegame or creating one with michi_cc's patch? 14:58:52 <peter1138> obviously, there was reservation bit before... 14:58:57 <peter1138> +NO 15:00:36 <yorick> and the 3rd question? 15:01:25 <peter1138> well, presumably it was put in for a reason 15:01:31 <peter1138> it should already have been closed 15:02:12 *** Deathmaker [~Miranda@dslb-082-083-231-205.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 15:02:49 <yorick> can't you replace the warning light with a automatic system to fix it? 15:02:53 *** Amis [~amis.weas@dsl5400C274.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 15:02:55 <yorick> :-) 15:03:17 <Amis> hi 15:03:21 <yorick> hi 15:09:05 *** Fujitsu [~fujitsu@c211-28-49-204.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:13:36 *** DJ-Nekkid [~DJNekkid@gprs-ggsn5-nat.mobil.telenor.no] has joined #openttd 15:13:43 <DJ-Nekkid> hi dudes... 15:14:01 <DJ-Nekkid> i may have a bug in the yapp 15:14:07 <DJ-Nekkid> got saves 15:14:18 <DJ-Nekkid> rev 12062 15:14:32 <DJ-Nekkid> atleast trains crashed :) 15:14:55 <hylje> :o 15:16:50 <yorick> that is not very strange ;) 15:17:07 *** Nicko[work] is now known as Nicko[work][afk] 15:17:16 <yorick> modifiing while trains are running upon, lost train, reversing, waypoint? 15:17:20 <DJ-Nekkid> it might be me tho... 15:17:43 <DJ-Nekkid> well, not really 15:17:46 <DJ-Nekkid> if i fast forward it happens again 15:17:56 <yorick> what is the problem exactly? 15:18:13 <Brianetta> DJ-Nekkid: Are you saying that trains are passing red signals? 15:18:15 <DJ-Nekkid> got a 8 line station with 3 loops 15:18:34 <DJ-Nekkid> either they pass a red, or the reserved paths arent reserved enough ... 15:18:42 <Sacro> Brianetta: you should run a PBS server :P 15:18:57 <Brianetta> Sacro: If the next stable has it, perhaps 15:19:04 <DJ-Nekkid> shal i post them + a screenie in the yapp server ? 15:19:07 * Sacro is now playing: Game & Watch [Game & Watch] 15:19:08 <Sacro> :D 15:19:11 <DJ-Nekkid> ehm 15:19:11 <DJ-Nekkid> thread 15:19:30 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1DF9F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:22:21 <yorick> DJ-Nekkid: I'm in the yapp server 15:22:27 <yorick> show it there 15:22:58 <Sacro> so, how to use the pbs 15:23:02 <Sacro> yorick: zomg server? 15:23:22 <peter1138> how? place signals where trains should stop. 15:23:36 <Sacro> D: password 15:23:38 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB738E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:23:44 <yorick> coop 15:23:47 <Sacro> peter1138: so prototypical? 15:23:53 <peter1138> a la http://fuzzle.org/o/yapp.png 15:24:08 <Sacro> wow 15:24:13 <Sacro> it is almost prototypical already 15:24:47 <peter1138> default red! 15:24:57 <Sacro> :D 15:25:07 <Sacro> now i should start doing my UK Signals thread 15:25:14 <Sacro> and implementing correct shunt signals :D 15:25:53 <DJ-Nekkid> im kinda short on time atm, but it looks like when there are a x'ing path; with opposite diagonals it dont counts it as beeing reserved... but i'm back a bit later 15:27:29 *** Greysc[a]le [bnc@81.171.136.146] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:34:24 <Sacro> hmm 15:34:29 <Sacro> so you only need station starters 15:38:34 <Eddi|zuHause3> <Tim_> Hey, here comes a question... I'm just reinstalling everything that got to do with TTD as i had different versions laying all around my harddisk.... Is there a way i can set up a similar save location for all my builds i'm using? <- since 0.6, all savegames get stored in "My Documents" (or something) 15:38:49 <Eddi|zuHause3> hm, he's gone 15:38:53 *** divo [~asd@0x4dd443c6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:39:12 *** divo [~asd@0x4dd443c6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 15:40:08 *** Christoph [~lekro@S01060014513484ae.ss.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 15:40:47 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80433.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:41:54 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:42:10 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 15:42:25 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B841F1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 15:42:26 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 15:46:22 *** Jortuny [~octernion@r253186120.resnet.cornell.edu] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 15:46:31 *** frosch123 [~mtce@pascal.math.tu-clausthal.de] has joined #openttd 15:48:35 *** orudge` [~orudge@201.39.95.8] has quit [Quit: jonty-comp smells like smelly smelly stuff] 15:53:02 <DJ-Nekkid> yorick: are you talking about the opencoop dev server? 15:55:05 *** Neverhood [~Neverhood@123.116.96.153] has joined #openttd 15:56:09 *** Neverhood [~Neverhood@123.116.96.153] has quit [] 15:56:33 *** Neverhood [~Neverhood@123.116.96.153] has joined #openttd 15:57:16 *** Neverhood [~Neverhood@123.116.96.153] has quit [] 15:57:38 *** Neverhood [~Neverhood@123.116.96.153] has joined #openttd 16:01:01 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 16:03:38 <Sacro> !seen Tekky 16:07:54 <Sacro> oh fuck that was a big crunch 16:09:58 <Sacro> michi_cc: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Double_Junction_C_with_Single_Lead.JPG <- that doesn't work :( 16:10:03 *** k3ks [~k3ks@X6a9c.x.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 16:10:13 <k3ks> hi! 16:10:39 <k3ks> just a short question, is there an effort in building electric railways instead of non electric? 16:11:00 <yorick> if you have electric locs ;O 16:11:17 <k3ks> k, so it's only about the locs 16:11:23 <yorick> yes 16:11:41 <k3ks> thx 16:11:56 <k3ks> i'll try this emediatly 16:15:06 <Sacro> yes, it seems that lost trains don't check routing 16:15:29 <Sacro> and also 16:15:37 <peter1138> Sacro, well, that's just lines... where are the signals? 16:15:38 <Sacro> the rear engine is clearing blocks too soon 16:15:51 <Sacro> peter1138: on that diagram? 16:15:54 <Sacro> err 16:16:01 <Sacro> a pbs 1 way before 31 16:16:04 <Sacro> normal after 16:16:19 <Sacro> and then for Q 16:16:27 <Sacro> pbs 1 way at left side, and a normal after 32 16:16:35 <Sacro> normal after 33 to R 16:16:45 <Sacro> and pbs 1 way before 33 from R 16:17:22 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: glx * r12080 /trunk/src/settings_gui.cpp: -Fix: update waypoint signs when changing language 16:20:32 <peter1138> Like http://fuzzle.org/o/yapp2.png but on the other side... 16:20:43 <peter1138> Seems to work for me... 16:20:43 <Sacro> peter1138: exactly 16:20:55 <Eddi|zuHause3> Sacro: place PBS at the entrance of junctions, place NO signals at the exit of junctions 16:21:10 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause3: no other signals at all? 16:21:23 <peter1138> like in my image 16:21:28 <Eddi|zuHause3> Sacro: let 1 train length distance between the junction and the next signal 16:21:41 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause3: nice idea 16:21:41 <Eddi|zuHause3> so a train waiting at the signal will not block the junction 16:22:29 <Eddi|zuHause3> Sacro: it's not exactly my idea, the wiki explains signal placement in quite some detail 16:27:51 *** raimar2 [~hawk@p5489B49E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:34:07 *** raimar3 [~hawk@p5489BE07.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:34:27 <Belugas> "Digging In the Dirt, Find the places we've got hurt" 16:34:35 <Belugas> bommmmm... 16:35:01 <yorick> michi_cc: this makes crossing close when they get reserved with your patch: http://paste.openttd.org/520 16:35:09 <peter1138> Eddi|zuHause3, i can't recreate your problem with signal tiles not being reserved :o 16:35:37 <Eddi|zuHause3> peter1138: it might be a rarely occuring case, as the E 94 is not 2 full wagons long 16:35:56 <Eddi|zuHause3> the distances between signals and the length of the train must match 16:38:01 <Sacro> peter1138: how is the pbs patch looking in terms of trunkable? 16:39:00 <Eddi|zuHause3> Sacro: still many train crashes 16:39:09 <yorick> he asked peter1138 16:39:18 <peter1138> I delegated to Eddi|zuHause3 16:39:22 <yorick> I think the next release will solve many problems 16:39:34 <peter1138> Yeah 16:39:36 <yorick> like lost trains crash, waypoint crash 16:39:37 <peter1138> like "Sacro> yes, it seems that lost trains don't check routing" 16:39:39 *** svippy [~svip@cpe.atm2-0-78233.0x535a2072.boanxx18.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:39:41 <yorick> reversion crash 16:40:00 *** svippy [~svip@cpe.atm2-0-78233.0x535a2072.boanxx18.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 16:40:06 <yorick> I think the rest has to do with faulty signals 16:40:24 <Sacro> yes, i admit, it does take a bit of getting used to 16:40:50 <yorick> it should check and warn you 16:41:35 <yorick> or use fake trains to test the junction 16:42:10 <yorick> inflatable trains! 16:42:43 <Forked> hmm, when removing signals with drag (select signal and press "r") it only removes the one signal where I started, not the rest that should be marked for removal by it 16:42:50 <Forked> (yapp) 16:43:13 <Forked> hold ctrl down removes all in it's path though 16:43:13 <yorick> talking about PBS or normal signals? 16:43:24 <Forked> pbs 16:43:57 <yorick> one-way or normal pbs? 16:44:04 <Forked> normal 16:44:27 <yorick> because it just works for me ^^ 16:44:37 <Forked> huh 16:44:51 <yorick> monorail 16:45:08 <Forked> normal rail (non-el) .. but it's gono's patchpack - so I'm not calling it a yappbug atm :)= 16:45:35 <yorick> it isn't 16:45:38 <yorick> it works for me 16:47:05 <yorick> what's the function that checks if there's a vehicle on a given tile? 16:52:49 <k3ks> may it be, that, if i build an airport between to city and both lay in the "einzugsgebiet" still only one is affectet? 16:52:53 <Sacro> right, now we need yellow signals 16:53:07 <k3ks> sry, don't know the english word 16:53:18 *** MDGrein [~MDGrein@c-e43472d5.02-56-736b7610.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 16:53:35 <Eddi|zuHause3> "catchment area" 16:53:40 <Sacro> crunch :D 16:53:44 <k3ks> thx *g* 16:58:22 <Sacro> :d 16:58:26 * Sacro has a passenger line 16:58:39 <Sacro> 5 stations 16:58:51 <Sacro> DMUs running 1-3 and 3-5 16:58:58 <Sacro> and a HST running 1,3,5 16:59:30 *** Ash_ [~ash@ppp59-167-110-86.lns3.bne1.internode.on.net] has joined #openttd 17:00:08 <Sacro> now we need passenger destinations 17:01:24 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: belugas * r12081 /trunk/ (6 files in 4 dirs): 17:01:24 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: -Codechange: Rename table/roadveh.h to table/roadveh_movment.h 17:01:24 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: It is more descriptive name and it will not upset the generate script anymore 17:02:54 <Eddi|zuHause3> i have 225 stations 17:03:46 *** Neverhood [~Neverhood@123.116.96.153] has quit [Quit: Good news everyone!] 17:05:22 <Eddi|zuHause3> hm... i need a "don't pass here" signal that doesn't say "this is a safe waiting location" from the other side 17:07:28 <Sacro> ? 17:07:32 <Sacro> wow 17:07:36 <Sacro> this pbs works really nicely 17:07:45 <Sacro> i have all my stations as bidi 17:08:44 <Eddi|zuHause3> well, allmost all my stations wer "bidi" before, i am trying to improve them one by one now ;) 17:09:14 <Ash_> Can someone recommend me how to do this with pre-signals, or a better way? -> http://techtoucian.net/image/barstool/pre-signals.png 17:09:32 *** Christoph [~lekro@S01060014513484ae.ss.shawcable.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 17:09:36 <Sacro> hehe 17:09:39 <Sacro> presigs are so last week 17:09:44 <Ash_> AWw. 17:09:50 <Ash_> :-) 17:10:10 <Sacro> try the new PBS build 17:10:29 <peter1138> yeah, presignals can't fix that 17:11:37 <Ash_> Ah, right. What's the PBS build, just out of interest? 17:11:55 <Eddi|zuHause3> http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/PBS 17:12:10 <Eddi|zuHause3> Figure 4.2 is exactly what you need 17:12:42 <Eddi|zuHause3> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=36107&st=0&sk=t&sd=a 17:13:56 *** Zoeff|ZzZz [Zoeff@a62-251-65-250.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:14:02 *** raimar2 [~hawk@p5489B49E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:15:55 *** Zoeff [Zoeff@a62-251-65-250.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 17:16:59 <Ash_> Ah, that's awesome. 17:17:03 <Ash_> I can't wait. 17:17:11 <Eddi|zuHause3> Ash_: btw. 90° turns are ugly, avoid them 17:17:18 <yorick> what's the correct syntax for patch.exe included with mingw? 17:17:42 <Eddi|zuHause3> yorick: for git diffs, "patch -p1 -i <patchfile>" 17:17:52 <Eddi|zuHause3> for other diffs, "-p0" 17:17:54 <Ash_> Eddi|zuHause3: Oh, I do. I didn't realise I had one in the example. 17:17:56 <Ash_> >_> 17:18:34 <yorick> ah 17:20:10 *** Audigex [~Audigex@89.243.254.35] has joined #openttd 17:20:39 <Ash_> I'm getting a game crash connecting to a network server. What can I do to report it, aside saying "the game crashed"? 17:21:20 <yorick> what happened? 17:21:30 <yorick> did you want to connect using a patched version? 17:22:33 <Eddi|zuHause3> the exact error message it delivered would be nice... 17:22:56 *** raimar2 [~hawk@p5489E243.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:23:24 <Ash_> I'm using plain old 0.6.0-beta3. When the map downloaded, the game shut down and debug mode said: http://pastebin.com/m4ffded78 17:24:07 <Ash_> It's working now though. That's after 4 tries. :-/ 17:24:31 <yorick> seems to occur more 17:24:47 *** natacha29 [~natacha29@d033.dhcp212-198-248.noos.fr] has joined #openttd 17:24:53 <yorick> happens when connecting takes too long/2 are connecting from the same IP to the same server 17:25:00 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: belugas * r12082 /trunk/ (3 files in 2 dirs): -Cleanup: MSVC projects do not care about the directory of the file while sorting. Only the "Absolute" name matters 17:26:19 <yorick> the project folder doesn't matter for compiling under mingw, right? 17:26:22 <Ash_> Fair enough. I am on a relatively slow line. So it's a known bug I guess. :-) 17:26:46 *** natacha29 [~natacha29@d033.dhcp212-198-248.noos.fr] has quit [] 17:28:10 *** Greysc[a]le [bnc@81.171.136.146] has joined #openttd 17:33:55 *** Tekky [~Tekky@p5493DD20.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:36:20 <yorick> what was that revision parameter for configure? 17:38:23 <Belugas> yorick, no, they only matter while using msvc 17:39:00 <peter1138> --revision, probably 17:39:44 *** Audigex [~Audigex@89.243.254.35] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Go on, try it!] 17:40:34 <yorick> unknow option: revision 17:41:19 <yorick> but it works when adding =, thanks! 17:44:07 *** DJ-Nekk|d [~DJNekkid@static128-249.adsl.no] has joined #openttd 17:44:08 *** DJ-Nekkid [~DJNekkid@gprs-ggsn5-nat.mobil.telenor.no] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:44:54 <glx> Ash_: it's already reported http://bugs.openttd.org/task/1650 17:45:13 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1DF9F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:47:29 <Eddi|zuHause3> hm... "too short platform penalty" must be increased 17:48:42 <yorick> ok 17:51:09 <Zr40> any chance FS#104 gets committed? 17:52:27 <Eddi|zuHause3> funny, that is like 2 years old ;) 17:52:39 <Zr40> indeed. 17:53:13 <yorick> make it a patch option: 17:53:29 <yorick> "Use advanced finances window" 17:53:39 <Eddi|zuHause3> yes, we desperately need more pathch options!! ... NOT! 17:54:11 <Zr40> I don't see any benefit to making it a configurable option 17:54:13 <yorick> I think we do :) 17:54:49 <yorick> devs don't like changing something without making it an option for users to change back 17:56:15 <Zr40> svn update -r revision-before-change 17:57:42 <yorick> they have something like new-feature-which-players-want-without-needing-to-see-the-advanced-finances-window-every-year 17:58:14 <Zr40> there's already an option to not show the finances window every year 17:58:46 <yorick> there is? 17:58:56 <peter1138> crap, i fell off the road :o 17:59:19 <Zr40> I hope there was grass, not rocks. 17:59:33 <yorick> they have something like new-feature-which-players-want-without-needing-to-see-the-advanced-finances-window-when-they-click-on-the-money-to-see-how-much-money-there-is-wasted-this-year 17:59:58 <yorick> brb 17:59:58 <Zr40> what's your point? 18:00:01 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A473D5.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 18:01:25 *** raimar3 [~hawk@p5489BB19.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:02:18 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:02:38 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: belugas * r12083 /trunk/ (3 files in 2 dirs): -Cleanup: Adding some more files in MSVC projects 18:04:11 <Belugas> Zr40, what are those indexes for? 18:04:58 <Zr40> they were already there in r1. I just documented them. 18:05:43 <Belugas> ok... yuo documented each index. but not the index system 18:05:50 <Belugas> that's waht i mean 18:06:00 *** raimar2 [~hawk@p5489E243.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:06:03 <Belugas> what are those indexes for? 18:06:40 <Zr40> apparently, they're used to accumulate certain types of cost/profit 18:06:46 <Belugas> since they are there back from r1, pretty good chances the one who wrote these is not aruipnd anymore ;) 18:06:50 <yorick> back and afk :) 18:07:03 *** yorick is now known as Yorick|AFK 18:08:30 <Zr40> I even believe they're identical to the original TTD 18:08:42 <Belugas> might very well be... 18:08:49 <Belugas> but.. i was thinking... 18:09:04 <Belugas> maybe it's time to have a more flexible system 18:09:35 <Belugas> tis is pretty much obscure 18:10:45 *** frosch123 [~mtce@pascal.math.tu-clausthal.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:12:23 <Belugas> or maybe not now ... maybe we should wait for post 0.6 18:14:15 <Belugas> heeek.... it is a pretty big window now :( 18:14:43 <Zr40> yep, I made it larger for the totals to fit in 18:15:03 <Zr40> as for horizontally, I found that the numbers would overlap in big games 18:16:03 <Zr40> someone suggested a scroll bar a while ago 18:16:14 <Zr40> would be useful if more than two years of history is saved 18:16:21 <Belugas> IF 18:16:46 <Zr40> but I won't go in and hack everything just to do that 18:16:57 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host72-174-dynamic.60-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 18:17:01 <Wolf01> hello 18:17:17 <Belugas> that is the problem with that window not being flexible enough 18:17:21 <Belugas> hello Wolf01 18:17:59 <Belugas> i think that somewhere, there might be a lot that can be done directly in the paint event, instead of been manually placed 18:18:20 <Zr40> I agree. 18:19:24 <Belugas> plus, it shold be noted somewhere that these indexes are in fact indexes in the money data that comes from the player 18:19:38 <Belugas> that would at least make it more understandable 18:19:47 *** raimar2 [~hawk@p5489C952.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:19:52 <Belugas> plus, i would turn all those numbers into enum, 18:20:01 <Belugas> might even be usefull system wide 18:20:36 <Belugas> i'm pretty sure the plaeyr expenses are still, from here and there, accessed by magical numbers 18:22:03 <Belugas> mmn... nope 18:22:10 <Belugas> but! 18:23:09 *** pm|work is now known as pm|away 18:23:28 <Phantasm> Belugas: Any estimate on when will the too little industry spawning on big maps (or too many on small maps) be fixed? 18:24:20 <Belugas> nope. no estimate available 18:24:43 <Phantasm> Will you do it or give it to whoever wants it? 18:25:19 *** Yorick|AFK is now known as Yorick 18:26:00 *** raimar3 [~hawk@p5489BB19.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:26:34 <Belugas> mayube i'll do it, but 1) have not yet took time to think of how to do it 2) have not yet found time to think if it should be done 3) have not yet decided if i would like it to be fixed 18:27:24 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:27:24 *** Amis [~amis.weas@dsl5400C274.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:27:27 <Belugas> if ever you have a sensible solution that do not involves calling random stuff here and there and that REALLY does addresses the issue in a really demonstrable way, do it 18:28:07 <Belugas> Zr40, look into economy_type.h:113 and see whaat i've fond out for you :) 18:28:40 <Belugas> with this, your patch will get a very higher readibility ;) 18:29:06 <Belugas> and it would not require the lengend in the function's block header anumore 18:30:18 <Eddi|zuHause3> i'd like to think of big maps as everything-has-more-space instead of everything-appears-more-often 18:30:43 <Yorick> I think I do have the (almost) ultimate ottd build here, with YAPP, Paxdest, and my own truckdriver-security patch :) 18:30:49 <Belugas> provide a patch, dear Eddi|zuHause3 18:31:09 <Eddi|zuHause3> (that was mostly addressed by the "very few" industry/town setting) 18:31:57 <Belugas> well... that is a different matter, isn't it? 18:32:29 <Belugas> number of indu VS spatial dispersion, i mean 18:33:39 * Belugas goes out for a while 18:33:41 <Zr40> i686-apple-darwin9-g++-4.0.1: Support/OpenTTD": No such file or directory <-- what's that " doing there? 18:33:46 <Eddi|zuHause3> i meant "fewer industries" == "more space between them" 18:34:07 <Eddi|zuHause3> but there may well be more complicated attempts to that ;) 18:34:13 <Phantasm> Belugas: If you just scale it 1:1 with map size, you get bigger maps to be identical to just multiple small maps places together. However, it might be wanted that bigger maps actually do have less industries and thus longer routes. I think a viable sollution that fits all would be to have a scale factor with options like 1, 1/2, 1/4, 1/8, 1/16, 1/32 and no scaling (1/64 is the case with biggest map on noscaling). That way the player could decide on what ... 18:34:20 <Phantasm> ... would be suitable. Default of 1/2 or 1/4 would probably be good. 18:34:46 <Eddi|zuHause3> Zr40: part of the path name "Application Support"? 18:35:11 <Eddi|zuHause3> i.e. misplaced/unescaped space? 18:35:23 <glx> use a recent trunk 18:35:26 <Phantasm> Belugas: Other option is to have it to scale identically with map size, but another option to affect both starting industries and spawning of new ones. Scaling factor for that with same options. That way player can better affect the starting amount of industries which is currently directly scaled. 18:35:50 <Zr40> Eddi|zuHause3: I thought as much. I don't know why that wasn't a problem yesterday. 18:36:00 <Phantasm> Belugas: Both of those fixed should be very easily done and only touch very few places. 18:36:12 <Zr40> glx: unless last minute isn't recent enough... :) 18:36:26 <Phantasm> Belugas: I think the latter would be better. 18:36:51 <Eddi|zuHause3> @seen michi_cc 18:36:51 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause3: michi_cc was last seen in #openttd 23 hours, 45 minutes, and 14 seconds ago: <michi_cc> thanks, found 18:37:07 <glx> it was a problem some times ago, but it should have been fixed (else nightlies for osx would be unavailable) 18:39:04 <Phantasm> Belugas: What do you think? 18:39:37 <Zr40> glx: it worked yesterday. I don't see any changes since then that could affect this 18:39:44 *** peter1138 [~petern@petern.bnsnet.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 18:39:56 <glx> maybe reconfiguration failed 18:40:17 <glx> source.list changed many times today 18:40:38 <Zr40> I assume those files aren't affected by make clean 18:40:48 <glx> try reconfiguring by hand 18:41:08 <Zr40> shared data directory... /Library/Application\ Support/OpenTTD 18:41:20 <glx> when source.list is change, Makefile is recreated 18:41:24 <Phantasm> Belugas: Erm, my logic failed.. 1/64 scaling factor wouldn't mean identical amount of industries in 64 times as big map, but twice the amount of industries. 18:41:53 <glx> maybe config.cache contains bad path 18:42:34 <glx> and then write a broken Makefile 18:43:11 <Zr40> running ./configure worked 18:43:26 <Zr40> I suppose that backslash is getting lost somewhere along the way 18:43:29 <glx> so it's a cache bug :) 18:43:49 <glx> let's slap Bjarni when it'll come back :) 18:51:08 <Zr40> what determines the initial window size? 18:51:52 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@M3348P024.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 18:52:03 <glx> the code 18:52:15 <Zr40> really. 18:52:20 <Gonozal_VIII> oh noes, it's the code! 18:52:43 <Gonozal_VIII> morning peoples :-) 18:52:58 <Zr40> I've got a window that thinks it's ~500 pixels high, but gets clipped at ~400 18:53:18 <Gonozal_VIII> ? 18:53:18 <Yorick> repair the code! 18:53:42 <Yorick> The Code has been broken! 18:53:55 *** Tlustoch [~last_evol@r6al232.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 18:54:04 *** Wolf01 is now known as Guest734 18:54:04 *** Wolfolo|AWAY [~wolf01@host66-237-dynamic.4-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 18:54:05 *** Wolfolo|AWAY is now known as Wolf01 18:55:36 <Zr40> I've changed the WindowDesc of the window in question to set the height to 527 pixels 18:55:42 *** Guest734 [~wolf01@host72-174-dynamic.60-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:55:54 <Zr40> the window correctly draws to that height 18:56:00 <Gonozal_VIII> default height and/or minimum height? 18:56:20 <Zr40> both 18:56:32 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:56:43 <glx> and we want to have minimum size in 640*480 or less 18:56:53 <Zr40> not the game window, but windows inside the game :) 18:57:02 <glx> ie it should be usable on small res devices 18:57:09 <Zr40> err, that's width 18:57:21 <Gonozal_VIII> i know, i changed the size of the purchase new vehicle window^^ 18:57:27 <Zr40> height is 276 pixels :D 18:58:19 <Zr40> as I said, the window draws itself correctly 18:58:21 <Gonozal_VIII> well... 527*276 is in 640*480 18:58:26 <Zr40> but it's being clipped at 216 pixels 18:58:28 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 18:58:30 <Zr40> (the old height) 18:58:43 <Gonozal_VIII> strange 18:59:09 <glx> you must change widget size too 19:00:35 <Zr40> http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/5701/picture7tl1.png 19:00:44 <Gonozal_VIII> WDP_AUTO, WDP_AUTO, 254, 186, 386, 368, 19:00:53 <Gonozal_VIII> i only changed that line and it works fine 19:01:21 <glx> Gonozal_VIII: depends on the window :) 19:01:55 <glx> some are not resizable, and you need to update all widgets when changing the size 19:02:18 <Zr40> done that too. 19:02:29 <Zr40> if I didn't, I would have the reverse problem :) 19:03:07 <Gonozal_VIII> hmmm 19:03:18 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1DF9F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:04:34 <Gonozal_VIII> search the file for the numbers you changed, if you find them somewhere else too, look if that has something to do with it 19:06:05 <Gonozal_VIII> oh, 12081 19:06:25 <Gonozal_VIII> wow 83 19:08:46 *** planetmaker [~chatzilla@Fccb0.f.ppp-pool.de] has joined #openttd 19:10:10 <Belugas> Phantasm, as said before, i have to think about it. Let say that i'm a bit tired on other people's wish and for once, i'm working on something I told MYSELF it would be good. You see, newindustries took a whole year of my life. It's a bit time to get some fresh air for me 19:10:22 <Belugas> not saying i wold not do anything, 19:10:31 <Belugas> just that it is not a big emergency on my book... 19:10:44 <Yorick> huh? 19:11:01 <Yorick> what are you responding to? 19:11:02 *** UFO64 [UFO64@john-michael-murray.um.maine.edu] has joined #openttd 19:11:08 <Gonozal_VIII> working on stuff you like is always good belugas :-) 19:11:26 *** peter1138 [~petern@217.151.109.242] has joined #openttd 19:11:27 *** mode/#openttd [+o peter1138] by ChanServ 19:11:31 <Yorick> a vision telling you to go programming openttd? :-P 19:11:44 <Gonozal_VIII> hehe 19:11:47 *** UFO64 [UFO64@john-michael-murray.um.maine.edu] has quit [] 19:11:48 *** UFO64 [UFO64@john-michael-murray.um.maine.edu] has joined #openttd 19:11:53 <Belugas> Yorick, did i mentionnoned your name? no? it does not concern you then. I mentionned "hantasm" 19:12:00 <Belugas> thanks Gonozal_VIII ;) 19:13:24 <Yorick> "it does not concern you then.", "Let say that i'm a bit tired on other people's wish and for once" 19:13:29 * Digitalfox gives big hug to Belugas.. 19:13:57 * Yorick does too 19:14:09 <Yorick> grouphug! 19:14:25 <Digitalfox> Come one everybody let's give big hug's to Belugas so he feels his work is important 19:14:44 <Sacro> hug's what? 19:15:06 * Sacro hits Digitalfox with a sign saying "DO NOT ABUSE APOSTRAPHES" 19:15:46 * Sacro hugs Belugas 19:15:51 <Sacro> we should all send him gifts 19:15:52 * Digitalfox put's Sacro on his shoot to kill list 19:16:11 <Belugas> prrrrrrrrr prrrrrrrrrrrr prrrrrrrrrrrrr 19:16:15 * Yorick dusts off a kitchen towel and slaps it at Sacro 19:16:33 <Sacro> :o 19:16:48 <Zr40> Belugas: regarding readability, is it better to unroll loops and use those enums, or keep loops and magic numbers? 19:16:59 <Yorick> :O 19:17:21 <Sacro> Zr40: -funroll-loops! 19:17:41 <Zr40> not that one :) 19:18:03 <Belugas> dunno Zr40. I just had a very limited time to look at it (patch + trunk) 19:18:03 <Belugas> maybe loops are usefull 19:18:17 <Belugas> maybe they shold be using a big array of features+strings... dunno 19:18:18 <Zr40> maybe I'll do both 19:18:29 <Zr40> I'll extract the loop into a function 19:18:36 <Gonozal_VIII> put the enums you want into an array and use array access in the loop^^ 19:18:57 *** Tekky2 [~Tekky@p5493EE2E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:23:14 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 19:23:42 <Eddi|zuHause3> ok... this bidirectional double track line is way too busy to get used bidirectional... 19:24:36 *** Tekky [~Tekky@p5493DD20.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:25:52 <peter1138> heh 19:25:56 <peter1138> quad track! 19:26:48 <Gonozal_VIII> or just put in some one way pbs signals... 19:28:18 <peter1138> that wouldn't help :p 19:28:30 <Gonozal_VIII> why? 19:29:49 <Tekky2> bi-directional double track is not possible with the current PBS signals, as michi_cc's patch only supports strong and not "weak" reservations. Please see http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Realistic_PBS for information why "weak" reservations are necessary. 19:30:13 *** Tekky2 is now known as Tekky 19:31:21 <Sacro> i wish people would stop using in front of 19:31:25 <Sacro> when they mean in rear of 19:31:38 <peter1138> huh? 19:31:47 <Sacro> i think 19:31:50 <Sacro> or am i confused again 19:31:55 <peter1138> probably 19:32:01 <Gonozal_VIII> very likely 19:32:11 <Gonozal_VIII> ;-) 19:32:27 <DJ-Nekk|d> are there any .nfo-codeing-channels? :) 19:32:51 <Gonozal_VIII> http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Image:Rpbs_img3.png <-- that doesn't work but with less signals it does 19:33:48 <Tekky> that image refers to the old PBS system. 19:34:01 <Belugas> DJ-Nekk|d, strickly devoted to nfo, i doubt 19:34:01 <Tekky> the PBS system in MiniIN 19:34:24 <Tekky> brb, must reconnect. 19:34:25 <peter1138> Crappy PBS 19:34:28 *** Tekky [~Tekky@p5493EE2E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 19:35:01 <Belugas> DJ-Nekk|d, there are a few good resources in here, anyway. Dalestan, although not always active, reads and can answers, as long as you have a good questin to ask. 19:35:15 <Belugas> ther are other grf writers too, not just him, in here :) 19:35:21 *** asfdsgs [~Gonozal_V@M3348P024.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 19:35:21 *** Gonozal_VIII is now known as Guest739 19:35:22 *** asfdsgs is now known as Gonozal_VIII 19:36:26 <Yorick> :D 19:37:01 <DJ-Nekk|d> hehe, well, i know, but i dont always wanna other this channel with all my questions 19:37:18 <Gonozal_VIII> < Tekky> that image refers to the old PBS system. <-- i know that but i'm talking about new pbs :P 19:37:19 <Belugas> "wanna other" ??? 19:37:22 <DJ-Nekk|d> wanna bother 19:37:24 <DJ-Nekk|d> sry 19:37:29 <Belugas> lol 19:37:32 <Belugas> no prob 19:37:33 *** k3ks [~k3ks@X6a9c.x.pppool.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 19:37:56 <Belugas> go ahead, i' sure KNOWLEDGE might not HURT a few people, anyway ;) 19:38:29 <DJ-Nekk|d> well ... ive come a small way ... but now am i gonna try the callbacks ... 19:38:38 <DJ-Nekk|d> and tbh, the wiki dont say too much 19:38:52 <Gonozal_VIII> hmmm wiki says a lot 19:39:02 <DJ-Nekk|d> it say a lot, but where to put it and stuff... 19:39:33 <DJ-Nekk|d> mainly 3 things im gonna use tho, atleast for now 19:39:51 <DJ-Nekk|d> wagon length and capacity, and therefor also the load ammount 19:40:16 *** AntB [~AntB-UK@host81-141-195-58.wlms-broadband.com] has joined #openttd 19:40:59 <Gonozal_VIII> load ammount is specified by the grf 19:41:15 <Gonozal_VIII> well.. everything is^^ 19:41:17 <Gonozal_VIII> blah 19:41:20 <DJ-Nekk|d> hehe 19:41:22 <DJ-Nekk|d> aye 19:41:35 *** Guest739 [~Gonozal_V@M3348P024.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:42:25 <Gonozal_VIII> what do you want to do with that? programmable signals or something like that? 19:42:54 <DJ-Nekk|d> lets say i make a train, and it is a typical commuter train. and therefore i want the attached wagons to have 100ppl capacity, and 34 ppl load ammount ... 19:43:06 *** Tlustoch [~last_evol@r6al232.net.upc.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:43:40 <Forked> DJ-Nekk|d: are you happy with your isp? 19:44:00 <DJ-Nekk|d> Forked: yes i am ... the best in our region, by far 19:44:04 <Forked> \o/ 19:44:16 <DJ-Nekk|d> typicaly 50% faster and 30% cheaper then Telenor 19:44:22 <Forked> hehe 19:44:34 <Forked> anyway I think I derailed you, sorry 19:44:57 <DJ-Nekk|d> hehe ... well, i work as a telecom technition, so yes and no... 19:44:58 <DJ-Nekk|d> hehe 19:45:15 <Forked> hmm ok.. I work at our isp :p 19:45:22 <DJ-Nekk|d> Mimer? 19:45:29 <Forked> ye, how do you think I got this host? :) 19:45:42 *** Maedhros [~jc@host86-136-161-204.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 19:45:43 <DJ-Nekk|d> i didnt realize you had mimer :) 19:45:49 <Forked> anyway, gf calls.. good night :) 19:45:52 <DJ-Nekk|d> well, i kinda work for you then :) 19:45:53 <saati> poisoned the root servers? 19:46:02 <Forked> saati: sshh 19:46:17 *** UFO64-2 [UFO64@john-michael-murray.um.maine.edu] has joined #openttd 19:46:17 *** UFO64 [UFO64@john-michael-murray.um.maine.edu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:47:03 *** UFO64-2 [UFO64@john-michael-murray.um.maine.edu] has quit [] 19:47:18 *** Osai is now known as Osai^city 19:50:20 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host66-237-dynamic.4-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:52:08 *** raimar3 [~hawk@p5489BF76.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:56:33 *** Tekky [~Tekky@p5493D6BC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:56:54 <Eddi|zuHause3> <Tekky2> bi-directional double track is not possible with the current PBS signals, as michi_cc's patch only supports strong and not "weak" reservations. Please see http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Realistic_PBS for information why "weak" reservations are necessary. <- indeed, it doesn't work the way it is described here 19:57:14 <Eddi|zuHause3> but you can make it work (less efficiently) by not placing signals on the "wrong" side 19:57:32 <Gonozal_VIII> i wrote that eddi :P 19:57:46 <Gonozal_VIII> i even posted a screenshot of that here yesterday 19:57:54 <Eddi|zuHause3> so trains that overtake on the left will have to reserve up to a signal on the "right" [both meanings] side 19:58:02 <Gonozal_VIII> deadlocks.png.. but already deleted 19:58:14 <Eddi|zuHause3> i have a screenshot, too 19:58:22 *** raimar2 [~hawk@p5489C952.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:58:25 <Gonozal_VIII> mine is better! 19:59:50 <Gonozal_VIII> http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Image:Rpbs_img6.png <-- normal signals --> pbs, signals with red bar --> nothing 19:59:53 <Eddi|zuHause3> www.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/Ravenswald%20Transport,%2020.%20Nov%201973.png 20:00:16 <DJ-Nekk|d> ahh ... hmm ... 20:00:30 <Tekky> thx, I will look at it. 20:00:49 <Zr40> Eddi|zuHause3: 404 20:01:06 <Belugas> rarely have i seen a patch been so heavily tested and commented... 20:01:18 <Zr40> Eddi|zuHause3: it seems to ignore everything from the comma 20:01:19 <Eddi|zuHause3> Zr40: safari? 20:01:20 <Gonozal_VIII> too many signals cause deadlocks, too few cause delays and possibly crashes, be careful^^ 20:01:22 <Zr40> Eddi|zuHause3: yep 20:01:23 <Eddi|zuHause3> replace the comma 20:01:27 <Eddi|zuHause3> known problem ;) 20:01:32 * Belugas goes in coma 20:02:08 <Zr40> Eddi|zuHause3: same if I replace it with %2C 20:02:10 <Eddi|zuHause3> Belugas: we just have PBS patches too rarely ;) 20:02:31 <Belugas> i do totally agree , don't worry :D 20:03:01 <Zr40> I still don't understand why the window is being clipped 20:03:32 <Zr40> old height is 216, which doesn't occur anywhere relevant 20:04:00 <Gonozal_VIII> full height incl everything? 20:04:22 <Zr40> yes. 20:04:23 <Vikthor> Belugas: Hardly any other patch was so much sought-after :D 20:04:57 <Gonozal_VIII> pbs IS cool 20:05:26 <peter1138> Belugas, hackykid's PBS patch was got me first interested in OTTD ;) 20:05:48 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:06:08 <Gonozal_VIII> 407*216 20:06:44 <Zr40> ah. sneaky WndProc 20:07:10 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has joined #openttd 20:07:15 <Belugas> i was very disappointed myself when it was removed. And i am aboslutely amazed to see all the brouhaha around this new one. It feels like trunk inclusion like shit in spring ;) 20:07:21 <Zr40> it resizes itself to 204 + (0 or 12) 20:07:41 <peter1138> that was my fault ;o 20:09:05 <Gonozal_VIII> add a big fat warning "trains may crash if not used properly" and trunkify^^ 20:09:27 <peter1138> well the first incarnation had very hard to find crashing bugs, and deadlocks... 20:09:44 <peter1138> and i suspect if this gets to trunk it will be post 0.6 20:09:50 <peter1138> (so nobody will use 0.6 heh) 20:10:16 <Tekky> hehe 20:10:31 <Gonozal_VIII> good way to get more people to use the nightlies ;-) 20:10:32 <Belugas> agreed 20:10:58 *** raimar2 [~hawk@p5489F5EB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:11:26 <Belugas> i don't thuink i was a dev when it was removed. I was sad, but knew that is was for some good reasons, even if it was not obvious to me at that time. 20:11:51 <peter1138> lots of other things like yapf would've been seriously constrained 20:12:11 <peter1138> not that they were even a glimmer in a coder's eye at the time 20:12:16 <Gonozal_VIII> it works with yapf now :-) 20:12:25 <Tekky> hmmmm, the bi-directional double track is not very efficient if there are no signals on the opposite track side.... I think I will have to patch michi_cc's patch in order to allow for "weak" reservations :) However, I have not tested my design yet, so it could be that "weak" reservations don't help much :) The main problem with "weak" reservations is that 20:12:42 <Tekky> it may require a train prioritizer system to work efficiently. 20:13:06 <Zr40> Belugas: if you've got time, take a look at my new patch :) 20:13:10 <Tekky> i.e. trains should be able to change their reserved paths if they interfere too much with other trains. 20:13:10 <Gonozal_VIII> overtaking can't be efficient on busy lines 20:14:41 *** asdsgdfgdsg [~Gonozal_V@M3348P024.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 20:14:42 *** Gonozal_VIII is now known as Guest743 20:14:42 *** asdsgdfgdsg is now known as Gonozal_VIII 20:15:27 <Gonozal_VIII> maybe a 3 track system where the outer lines are oneway and the middle is shared for overtaking could be better 20:15:30 <Tekky> the main problem with overtaking is that you must have a train prioritzer system in place, otherwise the slower train may decide to overtake the faster train in some situations :) 20:15:48 <Gonozal_VIII> yes, priorities would be nice 20:16:28 <peter1138> GAH 20:16:32 <peter1138> stupid non-pbs signals... 20:16:35 <peter1138> deadlocked :( 20:16:39 <Gonozal_VIII> hehe 20:16:55 *** raimar3 [~hawk@p5489BF76.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:19:03 <Eddi|zuHause3> <peter1138> lots of other things like yapf would've been seriously constrained <- i remember KUDr showed up only because PBS was removed, so there would be no YAPF now at all ;) 20:20:05 <Eddi|zuHause3> somebody needs to branch 0.6, so PBS can be trunkified ;) 20:20:11 * Belugas enjoys Micke oldfield, Sentinel from Tubular bells 2 20:20:26 <Eddi|zuHause3> what is holding back a release right now? 20:21:05 <Belugas> time, actually 20:21:15 *** Guest743 [~Gonozal_V@M3348P024.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:23:14 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A473D5.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 20:25:17 <Belugas> http://devs.openttd.org/~belugas/patches/PlayerLessMagicStuff.diff 20:25:20 <Belugas> hem... 20:25:22 <Belugas> oups... 20:25:29 <peter1138> sekrit! 20:26:01 <Belugas> lol 20:26:02 <Belugas> yeah... 20:26:10 <peter1138> Eddi|zuHause3, yeah, time. And I'm an idiot who gets carried away on big changes that can't go in for 0.6... 20:26:25 <peter1138> . o O ( engine pool ) 20:26:28 <Eddi|zuHause3> hihihi ;) 20:26:39 <Belugas> ny fault, actually... 20:26:41 <peter1138> . o O ( yet another routing restriction patch ) 20:26:49 <peter1138> your fault? 20:27:04 <Belugas> i'm supposed to work on the release itself, got carried away in that bridge stuff... 20:27:43 <Belugas> i got the logs, but...working them up for release is such a boring job... 20:28:02 <peter1138> :o 20:28:04 <Gonozal_VIII> i personally don't care about releases, for me, 0.6.0 could come in 2010, as long as the trunk keeps getting better and better :-) 20:28:15 <Belugas> i have to push myself on it 20:28:29 *** raimar3 [~hawk@p5489F076.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:28:32 <michi_cc> Tekky: I thought about doing "weak" reservations as well, but a classical A*-star pathfinder can't really make use of them. It would need iterative interaction between trains to find the optimal solution (like, when to continue on the wrong side and when to switch back to the right side) 20:28:38 <Belugas> Gonozal_VIII, at a point, it should be a release 20:28:55 <Vikthor> (21:12:42) Tekky: it may require a train prioritizer system to work efficiently. -- I wonder if signaling is not too much train-based, eg. train reserves path so it is best for it 20:29:32 <Gonozal_VIII> what's causing so much work with a release? 20:30:07 <Vikthor> It might be very intersting to somehow simulate a dispatcher(?), who would try to coordinate the trains for greater efficiency of whole network 20:30:47 <Vikthor> Then again, it sounds pretty difficult on first sight. 20:30:56 <Zr40> Belugas: heh. your patch more or less requires mine :) 20:32:08 <Belugas> Gonozal_VIII : http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/To_do_for_releases 20:32:28 <Belugas> Zr40, the other way around... mine allows yours to be more readable ;) 20:32:55 <Gonozal_VIII> backport all the fixes <-- no branch 20:33:17 <Belugas> "update the changelog": that's the bitch 20:34:27 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@062249182162.customer.alfanett.no] has quit [Quit: edgepro: There are two kinds of people, those who finish what they start and so on.] 20:34:29 <Zr40> Belugas: not really. All your patch does is shuffle the expenses and remove magic numbers 20:34:39 <Belugas> exact 20:34:40 <Zr40> which results in breakage in the finances windaw :) 20:34:47 <Zr40> window, even 20:34:50 <Belugas> and in yours, thouse numbers can be change too 20:35:06 <Belugas> thus making it more readable 20:35:07 <Belugas> tadammm 20:35:19 *** Christoph [~lekro@S01060014513484ae.ss.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 20:35:41 <Zr40> Belugas: yep. But that doesn't require your patch to work :) 20:35:52 *** raimar2 [~hawk@p5489F5EB.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:35:53 <Belugas> well... 20:36:02 <Zr40> you did look at the new one, right? :) 20:36:03 <Belugas> we favor removal of magical numbers 20:36:23 * hylje submits a patch which reinstates magical numbers all over the place 20:36:29 *** KritiK [~Maxim@89-178-33-124.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 20:36:35 <Belugas> and enums do not have to specify each numbers incrementaly 20:36:43 <Belugas> so tmy patch is good for cleanup 20:36:55 <Belugas> plus, the size of the array is now defined 20:37:07 <Belugas> so... 3 bonuses for trunk 20:37:12 <SpComb> #define MAGIC_SIX 6 20:37:21 <Belugas> note... it is not compiled... 20:38:07 <Belugas> breakage? do i break it? i doubt 20:38:32 *** Yorick [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: cya all!] 20:38:46 <Belugas> +static void DrawPlayerEconomySingleStat(Money *sum, const Money (*tbl)[EXPENSES_END], int x, ExpensesType i, int y) 20:38:50 <Belugas> ;) 20:38:50 *** Jortuny [~octernion@r253186120.resnet.cornell.edu] has joined #openttd 20:39:11 <Gonozal_VIII> bitmath_func and random_func are gone? 20:39:32 <Belugas> they are? 20:39:34 <Zr40> Belugas: if you apply your patch without applying mine, the finances window displays vehicle purchase cost as construction cost 20:39:47 <Zr40> in my opinion, that's breakage :) 20:40:13 <Gonozal_VIII> well, 12083 removes them from the vcproj files 20:40:14 <Zr40> and if they don't break, some code is still using magic numbers :) 20:40:18 <peter1138> Zr40, url to patch? 20:40:20 <Belugas> it does? 20:40:26 <Gonozal_VIII> (update to) 20:40:28 <Gonozal_VIII> :P 20:40:29 <Belugas> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/104 20:40:33 <Belugas> for peter1138 20:41:29 <Belugas> Gonozal_VIII, read the commit :) 20:41:47 <Belugas> it is a sorting one 20:41:57 *** hn [~tttt@213.35.230.245] has joined #openttd 20:42:06 <peter1138> const Money (*tbl)[13] 20:42:08 <peter1138> urgh 20:42:10 <glx> <SpComb> #define MAGIC_SIX 6 <-- no #define SIX 1 + 5 20:42:39 <Belugas> and it was r12082, no 3 20:43:26 <peter1138> avoid lots of absolute gui positioning 20:43:27 <Gonozal_VIII> yes, but update to 12083 does that^^ 20:43:52 <glx> they are not removed, just moved 20:44:03 <Gonozal_VIII> yes... 20:44:08 <Zr40> peter1138: that's not possible if usage of defined strings/enums is desired 20:44:11 <peter1138> use a reference based on widget, and then something like y += 20, instead of 20, 40, 60 specifically 20:45:18 *** hn [~tttt@213.35.230.245] has quit [] 20:46:17 * Zr40 notices an odd function signature 20:46:19 <peter1138> why not just pass tbl[EXPENSES_TRAIN_INC] instead of tbl and EXPENSES_TRAIN_INC ? 20:46:46 <peter1138> (and why "x, i, y" in that order? heh) 20:46:52 <Zr40> that's what I meant :) 20:47:26 <peter1138> why is sum added to in a draw function? 20:47:41 <peter1138> it returns void 20:48:03 <peter1138> sum += DrawPlayerEconomySingleStat(Money cost, int x, int y) 20:48:51 <peter1138> same with the totals 20:49:34 *** divoafx [~asd@x1-6-00-18-39-d3-e9-f6.k899.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 20:49:39 <hylje> WTF 20:51:45 <peter1138> "WTF" ? 20:53:50 *** divo [~asd@0x4dd443c6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:58:51 * Hendikins yawns sleepily 20:59:03 <Hendikins> Yay for overtime and getting paid far more than I spend :P 20:59:56 <peter1138> I wish 21:00:35 <Zr40> peter1138: changes uploaded :) 21:01:11 <peter1138> "<Zr40> Belugas: not really. All your patch does is shuffle the expenses and remove magic numbers" 21:01:15 <Hendikins> peter1138: I got paid for 100 hours last fortnight, most of it above my base rate. Cleared over 50AUD :P 21:01:21 <peter1138> "<Zr40> which results in breakage in the finances windaw :)" 21:01:27 *** Tefad_ [~tefad@c-71-63-20-187.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 21:01:32 <peter1138> explain? heh 21:01:43 <Zr40> http://devs.openttd.org/~belugas/patches/PlayerLessMagicStuff.diff 21:01:49 *** Fujitsu [~fujitsu@c211-28-49-204.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 21:01:55 <peter1138> Hendikins, i thought you did 100 hours last night for a second... 21:01:57 <Zr40> that patch changes the order of the ExpensesType enum 21:02:02 <peter1138> no it doens't 21:02:29 <Zr40> I shouldn't try to read patches. 21:02:30 <Hendikins> peter1138: I may be working my tail off, but I am yet to master the impossible 21:03:24 <Zr40> I didn't see + EXPENSES_CONSTRUCTION, so I assumed the order was different 21:04:20 <Belugas> lol 21:05:21 <peter1138> sum += DrawPlayerEconomySingleStat((*tbl)[EXPENSES_SHIP_RUN], x, 117); 21:05:24 <peter1138> would be a lot shorter 21:05:45 *** Tefad [~tefad@c-71-63-20-187.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:05:46 <peter1138> (ignoring the comment about adding sum in a drawing function, heh 21:05:53 <hylje> i was sitting in a croatian tram earlier today 21:05:55 <hylje> crotram 21:06:02 <peter1138> scrotum tram? 21:06:04 <Zr40> (that's the reason I did that in the first place ;)) 21:06:39 <hylje> no comment 21:08:34 <Belugas> all the "/* draw {income,expenses other}column names */" could be removed in favor of populating the widget array with captions, instead 21:08:36 <Belugas> i think 21:08:45 <Belugas> ho... no... 21:08:47 <Belugas> sorry 21:09:03 <Belugas> well... 21:09:07 <Belugas> yes, afterall.. 21:09:08 *** helb [~helb@62.240.176.23] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:09:44 *** helb [~helb@62.240.176.23] has joined #openttd 21:09:52 <Belugas> would require a simple sethidden with the range of widgets for (mode & 1) 21:14:06 <Zr40> ...which isn't something I know about :) 21:14:47 <Belugas> haaa :) a challenge for you then ;) 21:15:44 <Belugas> look for WWT_CAPTION 21:15:49 <SmatZ> is "una su amiga" correct in Spanish? 21:16:51 <Belugas> Zr40 : and look for "SetWidgetsHiddenState(bool hidden_stat, int widgets, ...);" 21:17:42 <Zr40> captions are those right-click texts, right? 21:17:51 <glx> no that's tooltip 21:18:38 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 21:19:29 <Zr40> it's the title bar? 21:19:54 <Zr40> I don't see what adding hidden extra captions would accomplish 21:20:27 <Belugas> o_O 21:20:47 <Belugas> mmmh maybe i was not clear enough 21:21:01 <Belugas> WWT_CAPTION is a simple text appearing on the window 21:21:11 <Belugas> it is placed inside the widget array 21:21:39 <Belugas> you do not need to NAMELY draw that string EVERYTIME, since it can be done by the window itself 21:22:22 <Zr40> isn't that WWT_TEXT? 21:22:44 <Zr40> grep WWT_CAPTION * only lists title bars 21:23:01 <Belugas> mmm... 21:23:04 <Belugas> well... 21:23:06 <Belugas> let me see 21:23:27 <peter1138> WWT_TEXT 21:23:31 <Zr40> openttd currently draws strings the same way 21:23:38 <Zr40> at least in that window :) 21:23:39 <peter1138> see example in genworld_gui.cpp 21:23:46 <Belugas> yeah... WWT_TEXT 21:23:51 <Belugas> sorry for confusion 21:24:05 <peter1138> Belugas, and yes, I did try to use WWT_CAPTION the first time I made those changes ;) 21:24:20 <Belugas> hehe 21:24:46 <Belugas> if i'mnot mistaken, i'm the one who introduced WWT_TEXT 21:25:29 <Belugas> or did i introduced WWT_LABEL??? 21:25:32 <Belugas> don't remember 21:26:05 <Zr40> how would you set the text? 21:26:27 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 21:26:49 *** nappe1 [ohj8laka@adsl-215-240-136.kymp.net] has joined #openttd 21:27:32 <nappe1> hello everyone 21:27:34 *** ssgdsf [~Gonozal_V@M3348P024.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 21:27:34 *** Gonozal_VIII is now known as Guest750 21:27:35 *** ssgdsf is now known as Gonozal_VIII 21:27:54 <Belugas> Zr40 : 21:27:54 <Belugas> File news_gui.cpp: 21:27:55 <Belugas> 928 { WWT_TEXT, RESIZE_NONE, COLOUR_YELLOW, \ 21:27:55 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:28:24 <nappe1> Hi Gonozal_VIII... you wanted to have day lenght patch where incomes stay same even with longer days? :) 21:28:52 <Gonozal_VIII> yes... and running costs stay the same too 21:28:53 <Zr40> Belugas: I mean, how do you set the text of an existing control? 21:29:27 <peter1138> the text is static, isn't it? 21:29:36 <Gonozal_VIII> main reason: running costs are higher than purchase costs, that's very strange 21:29:47 <nappe1> Hey Belugas, was it you who I was in contact with few years ago? I had automatic server pause/run Delphi thingy in works... 21:30:02 <Zr40> peter1138: the labels are, but the values aren't 21:30:09 <Belugas> you just add a new widget entry of type WWT_TEXT for each of those strings you want to add, as in the news_gui.cpp example 21:30:30 <peter1138> leave the values 'handdrawn' heh 21:30:32 <Belugas> nappe1, possible, i don't remember 21:30:51 * peter1138 ponders: continue coding, or play with PBS 21:30:53 <Gonozal_VIII> strange, revision number is 12081 21:31:13 <nappe1> Gonozal_VIII: basically I have done that now :) even transfer virtual incomes are right, but as this is my first patch (even if it is a patch for a patch ;) ) I want to make set up for it in the patch settings, so you have to wait a bit. 21:31:40 <Gonozal_VIII> nice :-) 21:32:36 <Gonozal_VIII> belugaaas, revision number of r12083 is r12081 21:32:40 <nappe1> so, as for the highly respected OpenTTD developemtn team, I have some veryyy newbie questions about making new strings to patch setings... :) 21:32:53 <peter1138> Gonozal_VIII, happens when project files are changed 21:33:15 *** Deathmaker [~Miranda@dslb-082-083-231-205.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:33:20 <Gonozal_VIII> ah 21:33:21 <glx> of course source is still the same 21:33:25 *** Guest750 [~Gonozal_V@M3348P024.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:35:23 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 21:35:40 <nappe1> Basically I did figure out that strings.h has the mapping from IDs to real strings, how should I add a new one? As my boolean button is changing Day length settings, I thought I should put it next to the previous one (the one which is for effecting running costs) but there isn't space between indexes, so shall I just it to end of the list with next free index? 21:36:12 <glx> never touch strings.h 21:36:13 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:36:26 <glx> just add the string in english.txt 21:36:28 <Belugas> adding string in english.txt, recompile and you'll have your new id 21:36:31 <nappe1> well, that did came across my mind. :D 21:36:31 <Belugas> :) 21:36:44 <nappe1> ah... thanks. :) 21:37:43 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 21:41:04 *** divoafx [~asd@x1-6-00-18-39-d3-e9-f6.k899.webspeed.dk] has quit [Quit: Quitting] 21:43:40 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:44:40 <nappe1> building... 21:44:49 <nappe1> ...aaand lots of errors... 21:44:54 <nappe1> darn terminators... 21:44:56 <nappe1> grrr 21:45:31 <nappe1> (well, that's what you get when you work with 6 different languages in same amount of projects during one day...) 21:45:56 *** Mark [~Mark@53559DD1.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:46:15 * Belugas goes home 21:46:18 <Belugas> good night 21:46:21 <Belugas> see you tomorrow 21:46:54 <murray> hugz & kissez 21:47:21 <Sacro> hmmm 21:47:28 <Sacro> if you change a PBS run station whilst its live 21:47:31 <Sacro> *BOOM* 21:48:07 <peter1138> hmm, just had another case of a train reserving a path out of a station when it's just entering it 21:48:13 *** dih [~dihedral@dslb-088-064-170-220.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 21:48:29 <peter1138> think it happens when a train is stopping at a station which it is not scheduled to stop at 21:51:10 <Sacro> i just had a 5 train crash :( 21:51:24 <Sacro> i think when a train crashes, it unreserves its path 21:52:08 <Gonozal_VIII> after it's removed 21:54:47 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-108-75.fttx.bbned.nl] has joined #openttd 21:55:06 <peter1138> it does 21:55:22 <peter1138> but it does it even if there's another part of the train on that reserved bit, i believe 21:56:31 <Gonozal_VIII> hmm 21:57:00 <nappe1> hmmh... it seems that I have problem building languages. 21:57:32 <nappe1> is it so that if I make rebuild the whole sollution, the languages should be building at first? 21:58:12 <nappe1> as it is not doing it now and then causing unknown symbol from the my new string entry at settings.cpp. 21:59:17 <nappe1> I did try to build just langs but that stops in error "there's no delimiter(:) in line 1 at english.txt" 22:01:04 <Maedhros> nappe1: which operating system are you using, and what does the string you added look like? 22:01:25 <Gonozal_VIII> ah i had that too 22:01:40 <Gonozal_VIII> i think it has something to do with the editor you save it in 22:02:11 <Gonozal_VIII> and language textfile saved in notepad or wordpad fails for me, even if i didn't change anything 22:02:39 <dih> @seen Bjarni 22:02:39 <DorpsGek> dih: Bjarni was last seen in #openttd 2 days, 1 hour, 30 minutes, and 45 seconds ago: <Bjarni> <Belugas> tired of removing it <-- think about all the money you save on the gym 22:03:03 <nappe1> Maedhros: WinXP SP2 and yes, I also think that the notepad screwed it up... (I know, should have editted in VS... :-/) 22:03:10 *** dih [~dihedral@dslb-088-064-170-220.pools.arcor-ip.net] has left #openttd [Leaving] 22:03:40 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:04:05 <nappe1> but then again, is the generator expecting UTF-8? I already tried to fix the situation saving it as UTF-8 format... (as ANSI did not work any better...) 22:04:42 <nappe1> Line looks like this: 22:04:44 <nappe1> STR_CONFIG_PATCHES_DAYLENGTH_CDIFACTOR :{LTBLUE}Daylength affects cargo delivery incomes 22:04:47 <Maedhros> yes, the string should be in utf8 22:05:01 <Maedhros> ooh 22:05:13 <Maedhros> i wonder if notepad adds a BOM to the beginning of the file? 22:05:23 <Maedhros> that would probably confuse strgen no end 22:05:50 <nappe1> Maedhros: hmmh... maybe I should take my XVi32 and check what the file has eaten really... :) 22:06:23 *** Zavior [~zavior@d195-237-7-167.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:07:48 <nappe1> Maedhros: you are right, there is 0xEF,0xBB,0xBF sequence at the beginning before real char data 22:08:55 *** Mark [~Mark@53559DD1.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 22:09:38 <nappe1> okay, let's see now... 22:10:13 <nappe1> and now it works. 22:10:14 <nappe1> :) 22:10:24 <Maedhros> good good :) 22:10:34 <nappe1> so, if someone asks, Notepad screws the language files. 22:11:41 <nappe1> MS is great abusing standards and totally screwing them, but writing a 3 byte header in txt file?? sheesh.... 22:12:39 <peter1138> It's called a BOM 22:13:09 <Tefad_> BOMs are kind of standard 22:13:11 <peter1138> It is fairly pointless as UTF-8 is not affected by endianness. 22:13:21 <Tefad_> there are ways of not having it write BOMs 22:13:30 <peter1138> But it does allow auto-detection. 22:13:35 <Prof_Frink> 1) Use a Real Editor. 22:13:49 <nappe1> mmmkay, what that stands for? (sorry to be stupid, since I made coding profession, I think less I have had time to dedicate for educating myself... :D ) 22:14:26 <Prof_Frink> no, it's BOM, as in "Somebody set up us the". 22:14:29 <peter1138> Byte Order Mark 22:14:33 <nappe1> ah... 22:15:50 * Maedhros wonders if there's any point in modifying strgen to ignore a BOM if present 22:16:15 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl10-67-208.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:16:35 <nappe1> so, it's telling little / big endian stuff for application? (nearest thing I lately came across was BAM... which is totally different thing in totally obsolete system. Commodore Disk system had that as Block Allocation Table. :) ) 22:17:10 * Prof_Frink has to do BOMs at work 22:18:01 <nappe1> Maedhros: hard to say really... it ain't that big deal. and it does not cause trouble that often if I was the first one... 22:18:10 <peter1138> michi_cc, have you caught that station reserving bug yet? 22:18:14 <Prof_Frink> Plans, plots and BOMs. Echelon must have a field day on our phone lines. 22:18:32 <peter1138> BOM is usually Bill of Materials... 22:18:42 <Prof_Frink> Indeedy. 22:19:17 <Tefad_> hehe.. 22:19:18 <Gonozal_VIII> indeededly is the correct spelling 22:19:50 <Prof_Frink> Not if you're saying "Indeedy.". 22:21:21 <nappe1> hmmh... now it compiles and runs but there's no that new option. :) Something is changed still in settings, as the savegames aren't compatible anymore. :D 22:21:41 <nappe1> hmmh... what I am missing... let me see... 22:23:31 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:25:29 *** raimar2 [~hawk@p5489D0C3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:26:35 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@xdsl-81-173-254-26.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:29:13 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 22:30:03 <nappe1> static const char *_patches_economy[] needed updating at least... let see if I would be more successful this time... 22:31:45 *** raimar3 [~hawk@p5489F076.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:32:09 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F577D4.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 22:34:17 *** planetmaker [~chatzilla@Fccb0.f.ppp-pool.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:37:54 <nappe1> and now it works. :) 22:39:42 <nappe1> a bit more testing and then I need to just get another set of source code (this time without adding dozen of other patches) merge the latest Day Length patch and then make these same modifications on that and make my own day length patch version with this new feature. :) Easy, eh?? 22:41:16 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c220-239-221-78.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 22:41:46 *** peter1138 [~petern@217.151.109.242] has quit [Quit: bwaaahahaha, te eeeh eeehee boingk!] 22:43:49 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl7-178-234.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 22:45:12 *** Audigex [~Audigex@89.243.254.35] has joined #openttd 22:45:41 *** toet [~Oblivious@3E339CE5.dslaccess.aol.com] has quit [] 22:48:50 *** toet [~Oblivious@3E339CE5.dslaccess.aol.com] has joined #openttd 23:14:27 *** Maedhros [~jc@host86-136-161-204.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:22:13 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-157-153.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: und weg] 23:23:02 <Gonozal_VIII> the sun will rise next week! 23:23:25 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-157-153.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 23:26:42 <nappe1> Gonozal_VIII: umm... how north you are living? :) somewhere near Hammerfest (Norway) longitude? :) 23:27:02 <Prof_Frink> Gonozal_VIII: Well yes, Susan saved the Hogfather. 23:27:15 <Gonozal_VIII> in a steep valley.. 23:27:32 <Gonozal_VIII> no son from october to february 23:27:35 <Gonozal_VIII> sun 23:27:55 <nappe1> Gonozal_VIII: well, that explains a bit... :) 23:28:36 <Gonozal_VIII> huh? 23:34:03 <Gonozal_VIII> lots of vampires spend the winter months here 23:35:28 <Sacro> yes 23:35:38 <Sacro> people are saying "in front of" when they mean "in rear of" 23:35:50 <Sacro> 'so official UK practice is to use the terms in rear of and in advance of. When a train is waiting at a signal it is "in rear of" that signal and the danger being protected by the signal is "in advance of" the train and signal.' 23:36:12 <Gonozal_VIII> ... 23:37:00 <Gonozal_VIII> that definition sucks 23:37:59 <Sacro> -> Train -> Signal -> 23:38:04 <Sacro> train is in rear of signal 23:38:11 <Sacro> -> signal -> train -> 23:38:16 <Sacro> train is in advance of signal 23:38:54 <Prof_Frink> s/in advance of/at/ 23:38:55 <Sacro> "in front of" signal is ambiguous 23:39:05 <Prof_Frink> Far easier 23:39:40 <Prof_Frink> or "has (not) passed" 23:39:58 <Gonozal_VIII> first train, then signal... train is in rear of signal... makes so much sense :P 23:40:28 <Prof_Frink> Gonozal_VIII: Well, the signal is to the rear of the train 23:40:40 <Sacro> noooooo 23:40:41 <Prof_Frink> I can see where the crazy fools are coming from 23:40:43 <Gonozal_VIII> it is 23:40:51 <Sacro> the signal is not to the rear of the train 23:40:56 <Sacro> the train is to the rear of the signal 23:41:05 <Sacro> from the point of view of the signalbox in the middle 23:41:28 <Gonozal_VIII> wtf point of view of signalbox? 23:42:21 * Sacro sighs 23:42:45 * Prof_Frink sends Sacro back to hull for being silly 23:42:58 <Gonozal_VIII> [train moving right][engine]_____[signal facing train] 23:43:11 <Gonozal_VIII> that train is in front of the signal :P 23:43:28 <Sacro> no 23:43:30 <Prof_Frink> The train has not passed the signal. 23:43:31 <Sacro> its in rear of the signal 23:43:49 <Gonozal_VIII> and how does that make sense sacro? 23:43:49 <Sacro> your point of view is on the right 23:43:56 <Sacro> you are looking at a signal 23:43:59 <Sacro> with a train behind it 23:44:09 <Gonozal_VIII> why would i look at the signal from the back? 23:44:17 <Sacro> because thats the established way 23:44:34 <Prof_Frink> Gonozal_VIII: It's a standard. It's not supposed to be sensible. 23:44:51 <Sacro> A term used regularly is to talk of in advance of and in rear of. These always apply to the driver's viewpoint from his footplate. The next signal he reaches is in advance of him. The last signal box he passed is in rear of him. 23:45:01 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 23:45:06 <Gonozal_VIII> ah... so that's why you cars all drive on the wrong side, you look at them from the wrong side 23:45:07 <Sacro> but from a signals point of view 23:45:15 <Sacro> the last train that passed is in advance 23:45:20 <Sacro> the next train to pass is in rear 23:45:59 <Gonozal_VIII> even from signal view the train is in front 23:46:00 *** raimar3 [~hawk@p5489C464.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:46:10 <Prof_Frink> It would be so much simpler if up/down wasn't taken 23:46:16 <Gonozal_VIII> only from signal assview it's otherwise 23:46:54 <Prof_Frink> Gonozal_VIII: Actually it's consistent 23:47:03 <Gonozal_VIII> actually it sucks 23:47:11 <Sacro> Gonozal_VIII: how do you define "in front of" 23:47:18 <Prof_Frink> the front is always in the direction of traven 23:47:21 <Sacro> surely that all depends which side you are sat at 23:47:30 <Sacro> Prof_Frink: not on bidi 23:47:42 <Gonozal_VIII> the side where the lights point is the front of the signal 23:48:06 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1DF9F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:48:24 <Prof_Frink> Sacro: OK then, "rear" in this case is always against the direction of travel 23:48:26 <Sacro> Gonozal_VIII: which is the opposite direction to the front of the train 23:48:37 <Sacro> which is stupid and confusing 23:48:44 <Prof_Frink> So a train that has not passed a signal is to the rear of the signal 23:48:44 <Gonozal_VIII> both front 23:48:52 <Sacro> the front of a signal is the bit *without* lights 23:48:53 <Gonozal_VIII> signal is in front of train, train is in front of signal 23:49:29 <Sacro> but that could mean anything 23:49:34 <Gonozal_VIII> [00:48:51] Sacro: the front of a signal is the bit *without* lights <-- see... that's the part that sucks 23:51:10 *** raimar2 [~hawk@p5489D0C3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:51:20 <Gonozal_VIII> that's like: the front of a horse is the part where the horseapples come out 23:51:38 <Sacro> eh? 23:51:39 <Prof_Frink> Gonozal_VIII: the signal faces the block it's protecting 23:51:46 <Sacro> Prof_Frink: yes! 23:51:55 <Sacro> it does not face the train 23:51:59 <Gonozal_VIII> then the train is in front of the signal block^^ 23:52:12 <Sacro> no 23:52:16 <Sacro> its behind the signal block 23:52:24 <Sacro> if it was in front of it then it would have passed it 23:52:48 *** KritiK [~Maxim@89-178-33-124.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:54:56 <Gonozal_VIII> doesn't make any sense and sucks 23:55:12 <Sacro> it makes perfect sense 23:55:21 <Sacro> just ignore the whole in front/ behind idea 23:55:23 <Gonozal_VIII> has probably been invented by the same guy that decided to drive on the wrong side and use imperial units 23:55:34 <Sacro> what? 23:55:52 <Sacro> driving on the left makes perfect sense 23:56:10 <Prof_Frink> more likely invented by the same guy that decided "up" was towards London 23:56:11 <Sacro> and it was the bloody europeans who invented metric in the first place 23:56:14 <Gonozal_VIII> you're brainwashed :P 23:56:22 <Sacro> we've been using imperial since few thousand BC 23:56:35 <Sacro> Prof_Frink: that is confusing at times 23:56:45 * Sacro notes that KX is on the right on simsig 23:56:48 <Sacro> so up -> 23:56:50 <Sacro> and down <- 23:56:56 <Gonozal_VIII> up is towards london? wtf london is in the south of your island thingy 23:56:59 <Sacro> but on peterborough 23:57:04 <Sacro> up -> and down <- 23:57:48 <Prof_Frink> Sacro: But if that wasn't the case, we could use up/downstream for defining relative positions on track 23:57:59 <Sacro> Prof_Frink: quite possibly 23:58:10 <Gonozal_VIII> O_o 23:58:15 <Gonozal_VIII> what stream? 23:58:42 <Sacro> but advance/rear is from ABS 23:58:46 <Sacro> which is ftw 23:58:58 <Prof_Frink> "train is upstream of signal" == "train is in rear of signal" == "train has not passed signal" 23:59:16 <Gonozal_VIII> == train is in front of signal