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00:00:17 <Gonozal_VIII> (some formula of speed, distance, nice value) <-- dropdown 0-7 or something 00:00:48 <Eddi|zuHause2> Gonozal_VIII: no, when the "fast" train gets back to the main track (which is unrealistic, usually the slow train switches lanes) 00:01:01 <Eddi|zuHause2> the "slow" train is already waiting at the signal 00:01:19 <Eddi|zuHause2> so as soon as the fast train releases the switch, the slow train reserves the track 00:01:30 <Eddi|zuHause2> it can't reserve the normal track, because the train is still in the way 00:01:47 <Eddi|zuHause2> so it reserves the overtaking track 00:02:00 *** asdgsg [~Gonozal_V@N857P002.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 00:02:00 *** Gonozal_VIII is now known as Guest865 00:02:00 *** asdgsg is now known as Gonozal_VIII 00:02:39 <Eddi|zuHause2> and the "fast" train cannot go on, because the overtaking track reserves the way to the main track again (to guarantee overtaking completed) 00:03:57 <Gonozal_VIII> well, that sucks then 00:04:06 <Gonozal_VIII> don't use trains with different speed :P 00:05:01 <Eddi|zuHause2> yeah, right :p 00:05:50 *** Netsplit over, joins: Killian 00:06:22 *** Netsplit over, joins: Hendikins 00:07:31 *** GT [~GT@adsl-dc-4664d.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 00:08:21 *** Guest865 [~Gonozal_V@N857P002.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:10:17 <Eddi|zuHause2> i think you can make it work the way Tekky described it, have 4 types of reservation 00:10:34 <Eddi|zuHause2> full: this is the area where the train would stand if it stopped at the next signal 00:10:40 *** GT [~GT@adsl-dc-4664d.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has left #openttd [] 00:10:47 <Eddi|zuHause2> strong: this is the area where the train will go no matter what 00:11:10 <Eddi|zuHause2> weak: this is the area where the train will go unless he is intercepted 00:11:26 <Eddi|zuHause2> lookahead: this is where the train would go if he could do as he pleased 00:11:51 <Gonozal_VIII> what's the difference between full and strong? 00:11:57 *** Aerandir [magic.powe@90-230-201-111-no37.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Quit: - nbs-irc 2.36 - www.nbs-irc.net -] 00:12:20 <Eddi|zuHause2> strong is the way between where the train is now and where he might stop 00:12:30 <Eddi|zuHause2> the point is that strong is expected to get free soon 00:12:48 <Eddi|zuHause2> whereas full might stay full for a while, when the train is waiting 00:13:18 <Eddi|zuHause2> full is always one train length backwards from the next signal 00:15:01 <Gonozal_VIII> so reservation needs 3 bit 00:15:27 <Gonozal_VIII> still 3 options left then^^ 00:15:47 <Eddi|zuHause2> more like a bitmask 00:16:04 *** planetmaker [~chatzilla@Fcc9e.f.ppp-pool.de] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.80 [Firefox 2.0.0.11/2007112718]] 00:16:15 <Eddi|zuHause2> a tile might be full reserved by the slow train, and lookahead reserved by the fast train behind it 00:16:39 <Eddi|zuHause2> then the slow train will switch lanes, because that is lookahead reserved with lower priority 00:16:48 <Eddi|zuHause2> the fast train will then overtake on the right track 00:17:25 *** safsags [~Gonozal_V@N857P002.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 00:17:25 *** Gonozal_VIII is now known as Guest866 00:17:25 *** safsags is now known as Gonozal_VIII 00:17:40 <Eddi|zuHause2> you get the idea? 00:18:24 <Gonozal_VIII> sounds complicated 00:18:53 <Eddi|zuHause2> gets worse if you want to store a priority value and a train number with the reservation 00:20:04 <Gonozal_VIII> you can store that in the train 00:20:20 <Gonozal_VIII> bitmask for reservation 00:20:33 <Gonozal_VIII> (on the track) 00:20:35 *** divo [~asd@0x4dd443c6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Quit: Quitting] 00:20:37 <Eddi|zuHause2> not if you want to resolve the train which reserved the track while reserving for another train 00:20:42 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:20:46 <Eddi|zuHause2> the priority value is dynamic 00:20:52 <Eddi|zuHause2> it increases when the train apporaches 00:21:11 <Gonozal_VIII> a lot to store 00:21:17 *** Korenn [~blaat@78-27-14-50.dsl.alice.nl] has quit [] 00:21:18 <Eddi|zuHause2> train may have priority -30 on one tile, and -25 on the next 00:21:29 <Gonozal_VIII> negative? 00:21:46 <Eddi|zuHause2> priorities are usually signed 00:21:46 <Gonozal_VIII> no negatives... 00:21:50 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:22:01 <Eddi|zuHause2> so you have 0 as the default value 00:22:20 <Eddi|zuHause2> and can both assign lower and higher priorities for special occasions 00:22:41 <Eddi|zuHause2> and also, negative number is usually the higher priority 00:23:31 *** Guest866 [~Gonozal_V@N857P002.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:25:19 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 00:29:03 <Sacro> so... how 00:29:06 <Sacro> do i do graphics 00:33:26 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host81-153-69-137.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 00:33:46 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host81-153-69-137.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 00:33:50 *** Aerandir [magic.powe@90-230-201-111-no37.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 00:35:59 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:36:04 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 00:38:05 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-119-5.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:38:34 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:44:25 *** Skiddles [~notme@cm241.epsilon120.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 00:47:31 <Tekky> Eddi: Actually, I define a "weak" reservation differently. By making a "weak" reservation, you are telling other trains: "You may use this track for now, as long as you promise that you won't get stuck on this piece of track, because I will be needing this piece of track myself in the near future or I may risk causing a deadlock." 00:47:59 *** sdgdsgfd [~Gonozal_V@N857P002.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 00:47:59 *** Gonozal_VIII is now known as Guest867 00:48:00 *** sdgdsgfd is now known as Gonozal_VIII 00:48:27 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm241.epsilon120.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:48:36 <Tekky> Eddi: In other words, a "weak" reservation permits other trains to make "strong" reservations but not "full" reservations. 00:48:59 <Tekky> Eddi: Otherwise there would be the risk of a deadlock. 00:49:43 <Tekky> Please see my wiki article on how these "weak" reservations prevent deadlocks: http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Realistic_Path_Based_Signalling 00:50:38 *** blaab [~Oblivious@3E339CE5.dslaccess.aol.com] has joined #openttd 00:51:38 <Eddi|zuHause2> well, i won't believe it until you show the patch ;) 00:52:12 <Eddi|zuHause2> but that doesn't exclude my explanation 00:52:12 *** toet [~Oblivious@3E339CE5.dslaccess.aol.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:52:46 <Eddi|zuHause2> my version said "i want to go here, but not immediately, so you can still cross" 00:53:17 <Eddi|zuHause2> the "but don't make full reservation" bit sounds interesting, though 00:53:56 *** Guest867 [~Gonozal_V@N857P002.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:58:08 <Tekky> Eddi: <Eddi|zuHause2> weak: this is the area where the train will go unless he is intercepted <--- your formulation was very different :) 00:58:18 <Eddi|zuHause2> hm, i need a pathfinder penalty for taking the left branch of a switch 00:58:33 <Tekky> Eddi: but I am happy with your new formulation. 00:59:24 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:59:33 <Gonozal_VIII> hm, i need a pathfinder penalty for taking the left branch of a switch <--? 01:00:15 <Tekky> Eddi: Yes, I had the same problem too. We need a facility for adding an additonal weight for every trackpiece :) 01:00:47 <Tekky> Eddi: Or at least for every track segment. 01:01:10 *** safsgsg [~Gonozal_V@N857P002.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 01:01:11 *** Gonozal_VIII is now known as Guest869 01:01:11 *** safsgsg is now known as Gonozal_VIII 01:02:01 <Tekky> but it would be a waste of memory to store it in the map array. 01:02:22 <Tekky> as there are about 10 possible track pieces per tile. 01:02:33 <Gonozal_VIII> 6 01:02:58 <Tekky> well, we need to be able to specify the weight for every direction, so 12. 01:03:27 <Tekky> so this will have to be stored externally from the map array. 01:03:43 <Gonozal_VIII> reservation array?^^ 01:04:24 <Tekky> well, this feature won't be used much, anyway, the user will only want to specify 100 track pieces per map to have additional weights. 01:04:33 <Eddi|zuHause2> Gonozal_VIII: when there are two equivalent paths through a signal block the right one is usually the less blocking one 01:05:09 <Gonozal_VIII> what if the train has to turn left? 01:05:44 <Gonozal_VIII> then it will probably turn right tree times instead^^ 01:05:51 <Tekky> it will still do so, we are only taking about additonal weights. 01:05:58 <Tekky> taking = talking 01:06:43 <Tekky> the pathfinder will then still take the "bad" route if the "good" route is not available. 01:07:35 *** Guest869 [~Gonozal_V@N857P002.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:08:10 <Tekky> we only want to discourage the pathfinder from taking a specific route. 01:08:20 <Tekky> and not to forbid it from doing so. 01:09:00 <Tekky> Eddi: Do you think it would be enough to specify an additional weight for a specific trackdir on a specific tile? 01:09:57 <Tekky> Eddi: in order to solve your problem? I have been thinking about making such a patch. It should be easy to implement, the main work is making a GUI where you can define these tiles, trackdirs and weights. 01:10:05 <Eddi|zuHause2> Tekky: no, i think a global yapf penalty for left and right should suffice, default to equal 01:10:57 <Eddi|zuHause2> alternately, let users specify which one is the main track and which one is the branching track 01:11:17 <Tekky> hmmmmm, let me post a screenshot where I think such a global penalty won't be sufficient.... just a moment... 01:12:17 <Gonozal_VIII> signs with that: http://www.juraforum.de/gesetze/_anlagen/z306.gif 01:12:31 <Gonozal_VIII> http://www.juraforum.de/gesetze/_anlagen/z308.gif 01:12:33 <Gonozal_VIII> and that^^ 01:13:11 <Gonozal_VIII> http://www.absperr-schilder-technik.de/artikelbilder/Verlauf_der_Vorfahrtstrasse_Nr_1002_14_1002_14_g.gif and that too :-) 01:13:37 <Eddi|zuHause2> Gonozal_VIII: more like Wn 1 and Wn 2: http://www.stellwerke.de/signal/deutsch/wn.html 01:14:39 <Gonozal_VIII> i like the others better 01:14:50 <Gonozal_VIII> i can actually read them^^ 01:15:20 <Tekky> http://rapidshare.com/files/90287364/stupid_path.png.html 01:15:28 <Tekky> there is the screenshot. 01:15:41 <Gonozal_VIII> screenshot on rapidshare... 01:15:47 <Eddi|zuHause2> an image hoster might have been more useful ;) 01:16:05 <Tekky> what's wrong with entering a 4-digit code? :) 01:16:16 <Tekky> you can still view it inline with your browser. 01:16:20 <Gonozal_VIII> the entering a 4-digit code part ;-) 01:16:54 <Eddi|zuHause2> Tekky: afaik, YAPF also tries to minimise the number of crossings 01:16:55 <Gonozal_VIII> that's a hugeish station 01:17:43 <Tekky> On this screenshot, you can see two trains trying to leave the station. One train has now reserved a route in the screenshot. However, it should have turned right immediately, so that the second train could also have reserved a path out of the station. 01:18:02 <Gonozal_VIII> you don't need 6 lines in and out to serve a 12 platform station 01:18:10 *** llugo [~lugo@p4FD5F53B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:18:19 <Gonozal_VIII> a single line can fill 5 platforms easily 01:18:39 <Gonozal_VIII> depending on the speed and length of the trains... 01:19:01 *** Gekz [~brendan@CPE-124-183-21-103.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 01:19:24 <Eddi|zuHause2> my double track lines usually end at a 4 track station 01:19:25 <Tekky> well, I like my station that way :) 01:20:00 <Tekky> I was mainly experimenting.... 01:20:03 <Eddi|zuHause2> Gonozal_VIII: don't tell me you have never seen these http://www.stellwerke.de/signal/deutsch/wn-rsh.html 01:20:08 <Gonozal_VIII> you can overload the station and still have 3 lines free :-) 01:21:07 <Gonozal_VIII> sure i've seen the cube thingies with white stuff but i can't read them while i can read the road signs ;-) 01:21:56 *** shodan [user@xerxes.foocode.net] has quit [Quit: Client Exiting] 01:22:41 <Tekky> Eddi: minimizing the number of crossings doesn't seem to help here. 01:23:11 <Tekky> Eddi: The only thing that would help would be to be able to add a specific weight for a specific trackdir on a specific tile. 01:23:29 <Gonozal_VIII> but what would help? would need an ai to figure out the best path 01:24:01 *** Tron_ [~tron@p54A3F23F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:24:09 <Tekky> the user can then manually add specific weights for specific track pieces. 01:24:33 <Tekky> that way, I could discourage the train from doing what it did in my screenshot. 01:24:36 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c220-239-221-78.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 01:24:52 <Eddi|zuHause2> yes, but that needs very much micromanagement 01:25:27 <Tekky> well, there won't be many situations where you will be needing this. 01:25:35 <Eddi|zuHause2> more useful would be a "station planner" that can explicitely prefer certain routes from one platform 01:25:38 <Gonozal_VIII> and you can't see it right away how it is set... you would have to click on every tile to check 01:26:28 <Tekky> Eddi: are you suggesting that the preferred routes should be stored from signal to signal? 01:26:41 <Eddi|zuHause2> yes, something like that 01:27:58 *** Skiddles [~notme@cm241.epsilon120.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:28:53 *** Zahl [~Zahl@p549F21D3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: (~_~]"] 01:29:26 <Gonozal_VIII> buuut i would say all that can wait until the more basic features of pbs work correctly ;-) 01:31:22 *** Tron [~tron@p54A3FE63.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:33:19 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a46c2b.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:33:34 *** sgsadgs [~Gonozal_V@N857P002.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 01:33:34 *** Gonozal_VIII is now known as Guest872 01:33:34 *** sgsadgs is now known as Gonozal_VIII 01:33:48 <Gekz> sgsadgs! 01:33:52 <Gekz> I know you from somewhere... 01:34:01 <Gonozal_VIII> :P 01:34:03 <Gekz> could it be a drunken computer rage aftermath? 01:34:11 <Gonozal_VIII> [02:33:29] *** Nickname already in use. Please choose another (/nick {name}). 01:34:14 <Gonozal_VIII> that sucks 01:34:18 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:35:48 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B74923.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:35:51 *** Gekz is now known as You 01:36:19 * You have been disconnected from IRC. Please reconnect. 01:36:23 *** You is now known as Gekz 01:36:26 <Gekz> lol 01:36:59 <Gonozal_VIII> funny :P 01:36:59 <Eddi|zuHause3> been there, done that 01:37:31 <Gonozal_VIII> there was a whole conversation with nicks like that 01:37:37 <Gonozal_VIII> that was fun :-) 01:38:38 <fjb> Good night. 01:38:43 <Gonozal_VIII> night 01:39:04 *** fjb [~frank@p5485F32A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:39:45 *** Guest872 [~Gonozal_V@N857P002.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:42:11 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B77A1D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:44:08 *** Chrill [~chrischri@c80-216-64-31.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [] 01:46:01 *** safsg [~Gonozal_V@N722P018.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 01:46:01 *** Gonozal_VIII is now known as Guest873 01:46:01 *** safsg is now known as Gonozal_VIII 01:51:55 *** Guest873 [~Gonozal_V@N857P002.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:52:55 *** Wolf01|AWAY is now known as Wolf01 01:53:20 <Wolf01> 'night 01:53:27 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host154-174-dynamic.60-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 01:56:32 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@ip-62-143-77-44.1311A-CUD12K-02.ish.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 01:59:28 *** sdgdfsd [~Gonozal_V@N722P018.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 01:59:29 *** Gonozal_VIII is now known as Guest878 01:59:29 *** sdgdfsd is now known as Gonozal_VIII 02:05:08 *** Guest878 [~Gonozal_V@N722P018.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:06:41 <Eddi|zuHause3> so... which idiot made me open bash today? 02:07:17 <Gonozal_VIII> that would be sacro 02:07:47 <Eddi|zuHause3> no, it's always bjarni 02:08:22 <Eddi|zuHause3> http://bash.org/?833 02:09:10 <Gonozal_VIII> danland :-) 02:10:59 <glx> Sacro did post a bash link 25 min before bjarni 02:16:24 *** sdgsags [~Gonozal_V@N722P018.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 02:16:24 *** Gonozal_VIII is now known as Guest879 02:16:25 *** sdgsags is now known as Gonozal_VIII 02:16:56 <Eddi|zuHause3> your intartubes are teh borken 02:17:16 <Gonozal_VIII> other guy downloading and downloading and downloading.. 02:21:23 *** Guest879 [~Gonozal_V@N722P018.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:28:02 *** Sogard [~Sogard@ip68-106-54-226.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Try something fresh] 02:31:35 *** sadfsf [~Gonozal_V@N722P018.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 02:31:35 *** Gonozal_VIII is now known as Guest880 02:31:36 *** sadfsf is now known as Gonozal_VIII 02:33:38 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 02:35:57 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@dhcp-077-249-197-241.chello.nl] has quit [Quit: You just lost the game] 02:36:22 *** MDGrein [~MDGrein@c-e43472d5.02-56-736b7610.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [] 02:36:38 *** Guest880 [~Gonozal_V@N722P018.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:42:28 <Phantasm> Sure is nice to have 25k people town in 1963 with 100 fountains/statues. 02:42:42 <Phantasm> Make that 100 of both. 02:42:44 <Gekz> you hacker you 02:43:05 <Phantasm> Nope. Just enough traffic and it goes to 25k when starting from 1950. 02:43:21 <Gonozal_VIII> there's a setting for that 02:43:48 <Phantasm> And the town is such that it has those stupid and almost useless fountains/statues in the middle of it. 02:43:59 <Phantasm> Like every other building is statue/fountain near the middle. 02:44:37 <Gonozal_VIII> towns often have big squares and parks in their center... 02:45:07 *** murray [murray@2002:9e27:7c85:8:210:5aff:fe3b:5950] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:46:29 <Gekz> we need to write a town ai 02:46:31 <Gekz> where they dont fail. 02:47:12 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: belugas * r12089 /trunk/ (3 files in 2 dirs): -Cleanup: re-order, yet another time, the files in msvc projects 02:49:44 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: belugas * r12090 /trunk/src/ (economy_type.h player_base.h player_gui.cpp): -Codechange : removed a magic number and code style application on enum ExpensesType 02:51:24 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:52:53 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N722P018.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:53:05 *** Hendikins is now known as Hendikins|Out 02:57:50 *** shodan [user@xerxes.foocode.net] has joined #openttd 03:02:50 *** urlauber [~urlauber@dslb-088-067-045-075.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 03:03:22 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: belugas * r12091 /trunk/src/industry_cmd.cpp: -Codechange : remove all production level magic numbers and replace them by enums 03:04:38 <urlauber> hi there. is it possible to change the vehicle breakdown behaviour on a dedicated server somehow? 03:05:01 <glx> only in openttd.cfg 03:05:13 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c220-239-221-78.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: ThePizzaKing] 03:05:28 <glx> like all difficulty settings 03:05:50 <urlauber> so I have to restart the game, right? 03:05:53 <glx> yes 03:06:00 <urlauber> sh*t :) 03:06:27 <glx> maybe one day they will be modifiable from console 03:07:07 <Phantasm> Improved loading algorith sure is nice.. I can now send 40 ships to a dock at same time without worries. 03:07:28 <glx> yes it's a real fifo loading now 03:07:30 <Phantasm> The game just lags a bit when I click the green button on depot. 03:07:40 <urlauber> this would be great! thx, bye! 03:07:45 <glx> disable yapf and npf for ships 03:08:12 *** urlauber [~urlauber@dslb-088-067-045-075.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 03:08:25 <Phantasm> YAPF is disabled, how do I disable NPF just for ships? 03:09:12 <glx> disable npf for all 03:09:32 <Phantasm> I want to disallow trains doing 90 degree turns. 03:09:47 <glx> works with yapf too 03:10:01 <Phantasm> The patch setting says it requires NPF. 03:10:12 <glx> it needs updating :) 03:10:34 <Phantasm> How much will disabling NPF affect the pathing of trains? 03:10:52 <Phantasm> And if YAPF is in use for everything else than ships, will it affect anything else? 03:11:15 <saati> how does openttd calculate time in transport for cargo? time elapsed since it is in the station, since it's loaded on a vehicle or since it started from the station? 03:11:30 <glx> yapf has priority over npf 03:11:51 <Phantasm> How will ships path without NPF? 03:12:01 <glx> so if yapf is enabled for a vehicle type, npf is not used for this type 03:12:08 <glx> they will use OPF 03:12:16 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: belugas * r12092 /trunk/src/industry_cmd.cpp: 03:12:16 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: -Fix(r11532)[FS#1755]: Make sure the production level will not get out of delimited boundaries, while using var result 0D/0E and than multiplying/dividing it. 03:12:16 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: And use multiply/divide operations instead of shifting. It does the same, just adds a bit more readability 03:12:17 <glx> (the original pathfinder) 03:12:32 <glx> it needs buoys, but is less resource eater 03:13:03 <Phantasm> I wonder how the pathfinder works as it doesn't seem to affect how big the lake is. 03:13:31 <Phantasm> With NPF that is. 03:14:11 <glx> it considers each water tile has all tracks (in train sense) 03:14:16 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N722P018.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 03:14:56 <Phantasm> So with a long distance on very big water are it would need to do a lot of work, while on a small water area it should be fast? 03:15:12 <saati> is the path search algorithm documented somewhere or use the source luke? 03:15:14 <Belugas> Eddi|zuHause3, fs1754, how does it look in ttdpatch? 03:15:14 <Phantasm> Yet, I don't see the difference. 03:15:55 <glx> each tile is a junction, so it needs to try a lot of path to find the best 03:18:29 <Phantasm> 200 squares long route, about straight, on a sea with few obstacles and a total of a couple hundred thousand tiles. Lag of sending 20 ships at once is about same as it is in 40 squares route on sea area with 500 tiles. 03:19:19 <glx> saati: try http://docs.openttd.org/ 03:20:40 <saati> that looks an awfoul lot like an api doc 03:22:08 <Belugas> close 03:22:22 <glx> I know some parts of code are very well detailed, don't know if pf are in this case 03:22:25 <Belugas> it is a documetation generated out of the sources themselves 03:22:55 <Phantasm> Is there a documentation on how fluctuating economy works on industry production levels? What are the odds for production going up/down depending on rating etc. 03:23:16 <glx> hmm there's a blog entry about that 03:23:24 <Gekz> steady is boring 03:23:25 <Gekz> :/ 03:23:26 <Gonozal_VIII> oh noes, blog 03:23:27 <saati> in wich file is yapf.FindPath? 03:23:43 <glx> http://blog.openttd.org/?p=8 03:23:47 <Gekz> grep yapf.FindPath -Ri ./ 03:23:49 <Gekz> xD 03:24:32 <saati> i would need a checked out svn copy for that 03:24:44 <Phantasm> Especially, what does "If the service achieves excellent or outstanding ratings, industry tries to fill the increased demand for cargo." mean in reality? 03:25:43 *** sadfsdg [~Gonozal_V@N722P018.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 03:26:04 <sadfsdg> i've been called a developer :D 03:26:10 *** Gonozal_VIII is now known as Guest885 03:26:19 *** sadfsdg is now known as Gonozal_VIII 03:32:13 *** Guest885 [~Gonozal_V@N722P018.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:32:52 *** Tekky [~Tekky@p5493C3AA.dip.t-dialin.net] 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#openttd 07:42:20 *** Gekz_ [~brendan@cpe-124-183-21-103.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [] 07:47:25 *** LordAzamath [~LordAzama@ip18.cab22.ltln.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 07:48:09 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host154-174-dynamic.60-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 07:48:55 <Wolf01> hello 07:49:09 <peter1138> Morning. 07:49:14 <LordAzamath> hello 07:49:56 <LordAzamath> Can somebody explain me this: http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=Action0Objects 07:50:27 <LordAzamath> As I can understand, you can define new objects like like current lighthouses there 07:50:30 <DaleStan> Ask Oskar (eis_os) 07:50:55 <peter1138> You would be able to if it had been finished. Possibly even if it had been started. 07:51:14 <DaleStan> It's his baby, and only he has any clue what's going on there. 07:51:22 <LordAzamath> so it's just documentation, but no features yet? 07:52:59 <DaleStan> The loaders for props 08..0A are present in Patch, but I suspect they load the data into what might as well be /dev/null 07:53:22 <LordAzamath> hmm.. ok 07:53:41 <LordAzamath> so I'll drop new Objects atm :P 07:54:35 <peter1138> Why/how do people twist things so? 07:54:36 *** svippy [~svip@cpe.atm2-0-78233.0x535a2072.boanxx18.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:55:13 *** svippy [~svip@cpe.atm2-0-78233.0x535a2072.boanxx18.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 07:55:27 <peter1138> I had PM asking me if they can use more than 116 train IDs in OpenTTD and TTDPatch... 07:56:36 <LordAzamath> khmkhm engine pools khmkhm 07:57:48 <peter1138> :o 08:00:30 <LordAzamath> btw, how ready are you with it? 08:02:33 <peter1138> I gave up. Those bastards didn't want it in trunk! 08:03:31 <peter1138> (Not really) 08:03:39 <LordAzamath> ^^ 08:04:58 <LordAzamath> hmm.. peter1138 can you give me a link to that diff? I want to compile that patch to see what it really does... 08:05:25 <peter1138> Compiling it won't tell you anything... 08:05:40 <LordAzamath> grr 08:05:49 <LordAzamath> and play it 08:05:50 <LordAzamath> too 08:05:57 <LordAzamath> :P 08:06:35 <LordAzamath> or actually.. 08:06:45 <LordAzamath> I'll better learn more nfo today :D 08:07:03 * LordAzamath is trying to get a simple animation 08:09:21 <peter1138> Vehicle animation? 08:10:51 <LordAzamath> kinda 08:11:11 <LordAzamath> a plane which has a flag when it flies 08:11:19 <LordAzamath> and that flag is animated 08:11:31 <LordAzamath> dih once asked if I could do it :P 08:11:48 <LordAzamath> and it's a good thing o learn too 08:12:50 <LordAzamath> Am I right when I should just define a set of sprites for animation with action1, give it an ID with action2 and then use it somehow? 08:13:06 *** helb [~helb@62.240.176.23] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:13:38 <peter1138> Well you'll need a varaction 2 to select which animation frame to draw. 08:13:45 *** helb [~helb@62.240.176.23] has joined #openttd 08:13:51 <LordAzamath> var2 frightnens me 08:13:53 <peter1138> Probably either the tick counter or the movement counter 08:13:56 <LordAzamath> but I'll be brave 08:14:15 <peter1138> Tick counter'll be constant speed, movement counter will vary with vehicle speed. 08:14:52 <peter1138> There are some ginormous pigeons in my garden. 08:15:27 <LordAzamath> movement counter is this? http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=VarAction2Vehicles#Motion_counter_46_ 08:18:23 <peter1138> http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/Skulltrail-QX9775-D5400XS-Octo-Core,review-30180.html 08:18:25 <peter1138> :o 08:18:46 <peter1138> I need one! 08:19:17 <peter1138> Yes it is that, although possibly it doesn't work for aircraft. 08:19:21 <peter1138> Tick counter will. 08:19:24 <LordAzamath> ok 08:19:31 <LordAzamath> then I'll use tick counter 08:20:50 <peter1138> :o 08:20:57 <peter1138> 124% of an estimated 8k tonnes transported 08:21:18 <LordAzamath> well... it's estimated 08:21:22 <peter1138> I guess their estimate was shit :) 08:26:59 <LordAzamath> perhaps 08:38:55 <LordAzamath> but at first I'll try to understand how to make different graohics for flying/landed planes 08:48:34 *** Roujin [~Roujin@p54973358.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 08:48:46 <Roujin> hi there 08:53:03 <LordAzamath> hi Roujin 09:05:20 <Roujin> hm gotta go again ^^ cheers Lord, good luck with your projects. OpenGFX ftw ;) 09:05:50 *** Roujin [~Roujin@p54973358.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Try HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-] 09:23:05 *** Korenn [~blaat@78-27-14-50.dsl.alice.nl] has joined #openttd 09:23:32 *** Zr40 [~zr40@2001:960:786:0:21b:63ff:fe9e:ab24] has joined #openttd 09:29:04 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 09:37:52 *** Wolf01 is now known as Wolf01|AWAY 09:39:22 *** Zr40 [~zr40@2001:960:786:0:21b:63ff:fe9e:ab24] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:50:25 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Quit: May the ducttape be with you] 09:53:03 <LordAzamath> hmm.. 09:53:30 <LordAzamath> http://paste.openttd.org/530 09:54:07 <LordAzamath> it should replace Bakewell Cotzwald graphhics... 09:54:15 <LordAzamath> but it doesn't :( 09:55:00 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 10:03:27 <LordAzamath> renum doesn't complain on anything.. 10:12:16 <LordAzamath> ok, I changed one thing, it now works 10:12:30 <LordAzamath> but still, it uses wrong sprites 10:15:37 <LordAzamath> for directions.. 10:22:22 *** Zr40 [~zr40@2001:960:786:0:21b:63ff:fe9e:ab24] has joined #openttd 10:34:51 *** Wolf01|AWAY is now known as Wolf01 10:34:54 <LordAzamath> hmm.. fault found :) 10:34:59 <LordAzamath> and fixed 10:36:09 *** divo [~asd@x1-6-00-18-39-d3-e9-f6.k899.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 10:36:22 *** Zr40 [~zr40@2001:960:786:0:21b:63ff:fe9e:ab24] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:42:47 *** GT [~GT@adsl-dc-4664d.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 10:44:47 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N836P019.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 10:45:09 *** Greyscale is now known as Greysc[a]le 10:47:40 <Gonozal_VIII> can i do char x = some_integer_between_0_and_9 + '0'; ? 10:53:10 <GT> Depends on what you want to achieve 10:53:40 <Gonozal_VIII> i want to convert 0-9 to '0' - '9' 10:54:08 <hylje> itoa 10:54:27 <Gonozal_VIII> itoa? 10:55:05 <GT> orudge: char x[20]; sprintf(x, "%d", int_to_convert); 10:55:56 <GT> mmm, or seems to convert to orudge automagically 10:56:47 *** sdfasdga [~Gonozal_V@N836P019.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 10:56:47 *** Gonozal_VIII is now known as Guest911 10:56:47 *** sdfasdga is now known as Gonozal_VIII 11:00:19 *** GT [~GT@adsl-dc-4664d.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has left #openttd [Kopete 0.12.5 : http://kopete.kde.org] 11:00:38 <Forked> yawn 11:00:49 <Gonozal_VIII> hi 11:00:55 <Forked> urgh.. mornin 11:01:33 <Gonozal_VIII> not really morning for me, i didn't sleep yet 11:02:06 <Forked> it's noon here.. just trying to wake up and make what little remains of last night go away :) 11:02:21 <Gonozal_VIII> 12:02 11:03:00 *** Guest911 [~Gonozal_V@N836P019.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:04:14 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@82-170-90-51-static.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 11:05:53 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@82-170-90-51-static.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [] 11:06:03 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@dhcp-077-249-197-241.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 11:08:38 <Gonozal_VIII> c++ vars are so complicated :-/ 11:10:12 <Gonozal_VIII> how the hell do i return a string 11:11:15 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has joined #openttd 11:12:54 *** Nite_Owl [~chatzilla@c-76-109-47-134.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 11:15:17 *** blaab [~Oblivious@3E339CE5.dslaccess.aol.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:28:24 <LordAzamath> action4 doesn't work for me :(... 11:28:27 <Eddi|zuHause3> strings are pointers 11:28:29 * LordAzamath is going bughunting 11:29:10 <Eddi|zuHause3> or in openttd, strings are referenced by string ids 11:38:58 *** yorick [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 11:39:32 <yorick> hello 11:40:22 <yorick> Gonozal_VIII: I've read the logs, it seems that svn diff wasn't comparing them correctly or I didn't do it correctly. 11:47:40 * LordAzamath succeeded 11:47:49 * LordAzamath is going to try harder stuff 11:48:02 <LordAzamath> like caalbacks and stuff 11:53:29 *** toet [~Oblivious@3E339CE5.dslaccess.aol.com] has joined #openttd 11:55:40 *** Dark_Link^ [~glidegame@fw.dormnet.his.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:56:21 *** Dark_Link^ [~glidegame@fw.dormnet.his.se] has joined #openttd 11:56:46 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 11:58:07 *** safefs [~Gonozal_V@N836P019.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 11:58:07 *** Gonozal_VIII is now known as Guest915 11:58:07 *** safefs is now known as Gonozal_VIII 11:58:48 <LordAzamath> <Sprite-number> * <Length> 02 <feature> <set-id> <type> <variable> <varadjust> [<operator> <variable> <varadjust>]... <nvar> (<set-id> <low-range> <high-range>){n} <default> 11:58:56 <LordAzamath> what is <type> there? 11:59:09 <LordAzamath> I can'r find reference anywhere :( 12:00:14 *** Nite_Owl [~chatzilla@c-76-109-47-134.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has left #openttd [] 12:00:25 *** Guest915 [~Gonozal_V@N836P019.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:03:20 <yorick> Gonozal_VIII 12:03:21 <yorick> ? 12:03:27 <Gonozal_VIII> hmm? 12:03:32 <yorick> Gonozal_VIII: I've read the logs, it seems that svn diff wasn't comparing them correctly or I didn't do it correctly. 12:03:53 <Gonozal_VIII> yes 12:04:02 <yorick> I've just modified your patch now 12:04:20 <Eddi|zuHause3> LordAzamath: we have a saying in germany: "Wer lesen kann, ist schwer im Vorteil" 12:04:31 *** Wolf01 is now known as Guest916 12:04:31 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host243-59-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 12:04:37 <Eddi|zuHause3> http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=VariationalAction2 <- how about the entry that says "type"? 12:05:02 <Eddi|zuHause3> " The access type specifies both the size of the variable access, and selects between general variables and the object's innate variables, or variables of a specific "related" object." 12:05:11 <LordAzamath> I ***always*** miss that part :( 12:05:39 <LordAzamath> :( 12:05:41 <LordAzamath> but thanks 12:06:59 <Eddi|zuHause3> wuargh... TTDP scares me 12:07:10 <Eddi|zuHause3> their AI places airports on slopes 12:07:48 *** yorick is now known as Yorick|AFK 12:11:12 *** Guest916 [~wolf01@host154-174-dynamic.60-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:14:15 <LordAzamath> humm... I think I'm getting somewhere... the variable is 44, because I want to have different sprites when it's above ground (plane).. 12:17:44 *** xand [~xand@raptor.ukc.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 12:18:00 <LordAzamath> ok and now I'm stuck again.. :( 12:18:58 <xand> hi... is it possible to disable a) the news messages that popup at the bottom of the screen (they are constant on a large map) and b) industry opening/closure? I can't see options for either 12:19:06 <LordAzamath> yes 12:19:16 <LordAzamath> at configure messages 12:19:32 <LordAzamath> ok actually 'Message settings' 12:20:22 <LordAzamath> in drop down menu from the second last button on main toolbar 12:20:26 <LordAzamath> in-game 12:20:48 <xand> ah... was looking in the settings menu 12:20:53 <xand> thanks 12:21:13 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: smatz * r12093 /trunk/src/station_cmd.cpp: -Fix: do not set station owner for buoys when merging company 12:23:25 <xand> LordAzamath: do you know if the industry opening/closure can be changed? 12:23:41 <LordAzamath> can be 12:23:51 <LordAzamath> you mean messages? 12:24:22 <LordAzamath> there is option 'open/close industries' 12:24:25 <LordAzamath> set it off 12:25:26 <xand> no, prevent industries closing down or new ones opening 12:27:12 <Eddi|zuHause3> only by grf 12:28:08 *** sfasgdg [~Gonozal_V@N836P019.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 12:28:08 *** Gonozal_VIII is now known as Guest918 12:28:09 *** sfasgdg is now known as Gonozal_VIII 12:28:12 <Eddi|zuHause3> or use the cheat to adjust production values manually 12:30:26 <Belugas> xand, no way of preventing closure/appearance of industries, apart write a grf that does that. 12:30:38 <LordAzamath> or use a patch... 12:31:11 <LordAzamath> btw, Belugas, Eddi|zuHause3 or someone, are you familiar with varAction2? 12:31:13 <xand> hmm 12:31:36 <Eddi|zuHause3> LordAzamath: you have a REAL question for once? 12:31:40 <Belugas> internal code wise yes, nfo wise no, LordAzamath 12:31:51 <LordAzamath> hmm.. 12:31:55 <Belugas> and /me is going back to real life 12:31:58 <LordAzamath> then I'll ask Eddi :P 12:31:58 <Belugas> bye for now 12:32:00 <LordAzamath> bye 12:32:19 <Eddi|zuHause3> Belugas: i can't get the office buildings to appear in TTDP 12:32:25 *** Forked [~kjetil@bruker.adsl.no] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:32:53 <LordAzamath> Eddi|zuHause3: I'm trying to get a grf, so that a plane on ground has one sprites, and other when flying 12:32:55 *** Forked [~kjetil@bruker.adsl.no] has joined #openttd 12:32:59 <xand> and you can't rotate the map like you can in locomotion? 12:33:05 <LordAzamath> I have defined two sets with action1 12:33:13 <Eddi|zuHause3> xand: no 12:33:22 <LordAzamath> and I'm stuck with var2 12:33:35 *** urlauber [~urlauber@dslb-088-066-254-093.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 12:33:59 <LordAzamath> <Sprite-number> * <Length> 02 <feature> <set-id> <type> <variable> <varadjust> <nvar> (<set-id> <low-range> <high-range>){n} <default> 12:34:15 <LordAzamath> -1 * 00 02 03 0a 03 44 ... 12:34:20 *** Guest918 [~Gonozal_V@N836P019.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:34:36 <LordAzamath> is what I have understood (possibly wrong..) 12:34:54 <LordAzamath> so what do I have to do with varadjust? 12:35:27 <urlauber> is there a way to disable those "dbg: [NET][UDP] Queried from..." messages in a dedicated server? 12:35:35 <Eddi|zuHause3> "type" must be one of 81, 85, 89 12:35:46 <Eddi|zuHause3> or 82, 86, 8A 12:36:35 <LordAzamath> why not Vehicles (00-03) First vehicle of consist 12:36:55 <Eddi|zuHause3> no, that table only explains what "related object" means 12:37:20 <LordAzamath> a ok.. 12:37:25 <LordAzamath> so what should I use? 12:37:26 *** Forked [~kjetil@bruker.adsl.no] has quit [] 12:37:35 <Eddi|zuHause3> 81: this object, byte 12:37:41 <Eddi|zuHause3> 82: related object, byte 12:37:52 <Eddi|zuHause3> 85: this object, word 12:37:54 <Eddi|zuHause3> etc. 12:38:13 <LordAzamath> hmm.. because it's about plane, I thikn it's 81 then 12:38:26 *** Forked [~kjetil@bruker.adsl.no] has joined #openttd 12:38:34 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-119-5.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 12:40:03 <LordAzamath> but variable is 44... 12:40:08 <LordAzamath> right? 12:40:13 <Eddi|zuHause3> well, it depends on the size of the variable 12:40:23 <Eddi|zuHause3> e.g. variable 44 is size DWord 12:40:29 *** pm|away is now known as planetmaker 12:40:30 <Eddi|zuHause3> so you need type 89 12:40:33 <LordAzamath> oih 12:41:13 <LordAzamath> ok.. why do I need varadjust? 12:41:32 <LordAzamath> it says for better ranges 12:41:36 <Eddi|zuHause3> to mask out the bits that do not interest you 12:41:54 * LordAzamath is completely lost 12:41:58 <Eddi|zuHause3> like if you only want the height, and not the target airport, you mask out the airport bits 12:42:40 <Eddi|zuHause3> say value of var 44 is 0x12345678, and 56 are the height bits 12:42:50 <Eddi|zuHause3> then you mask the value with 0x0000FF00 12:43:00 <Eddi|zuHause3> and then rightshift 8 bits 12:43:03 <peter1138> Eddi|zuHause3, you can use 81 on a dword variable 12:43:13 <Eddi|zuHause3> peter1138: yes, i know 12:43:14 <peter1138> you just end up with 8 bits after shifting and masking 12:44:53 *** Wolf01 is now known as Guest919 12:44:53 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host114-236-dynamic.15-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 12:46:22 <xand> hmm, I downloaded this patch, and it wants to patch a .cpp file, but all the source files are .c... http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=34310 12:46:39 <hylje> all the source files are .cpp 12:46:48 <hylje> (in general) 12:46:50 <Eddi|zuHause3> xand: new patches won't apply against 0.5.3 12:47:15 <xand> hylje: not in the source I downloaded.. they're all .c 12:47:40 <hylje> then it's rather old 12:47:45 <Eddi|zuHause3> xand: you got 0.5.x source, get newer one 12:47:49 <xand> I see 12:48:07 <LordAzamath> hmm.. so shift num would be 02, because I want the third value? 12:48:18 <peter1138> shift is in bits 12:48:29 <LordAzamath> which means? 12:49:14 <Eddi|zuHause3> each hex digit represents 4 bits 12:49:25 <LordAzamath> oh I see 12:50:14 <LordAzamath> 8 bits not 4 12:50:31 <LordAzamath> 1f couldn't be 4 in the other way 12:51:06 *** Guest919 [~wolf01@host243-59-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 12:51:53 <LordAzamath> so the shift num should be 17, to get to third byte? 12:53:12 <Eddi|zuHause3> "1F" is two hex digits 12:53:29 <Eddi|zuHause3> "1" and "F" 12:53:34 *** urlauber [~urlauber@dslb-088-066-254-093.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 12:54:36 <Eddi|zuHause3> LordAzamath: depends on from which side they count, but sensible values are either 8 or 16 12:55:23 <LordAzamath> shift-num and AND-mask are? 12:55:37 <LordAzamath> and mask you said is 00 00 ff 00 12:55:49 <LordAzamath> but what I'll finally write to shift num 12:56:28 <Eddi|zuHause3> you probably need to reverse endianness 12:56:39 <LordAzamath> 00 ff 00 00 12:56:49 <peter1138> 17? heh 12:57:07 <Eddi|zuHause3> and shift num you can probably ignore, if you only want to test "0 or not 0" 12:57:55 <LordAzamath> ignoring means that I'll write there? 00? 12:58:22 <Eddi|zuHause3> yes 12:58:49 <LordAzamath> hmm what about this: [<add-val> <divide-val>/<modulo-val>] 12:59:10 *** urlauber [~urlauber@dslb-088-066-254-093.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 12:59:15 *** fjb [~frank@p5485F32A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:59:20 <Eddi|zuHause3> ignore 12:59:21 <fjb> Hello 13:00:01 <LordAzamath> this time ignore means, I'll jsut not write it? 13:00:14 <Eddi|zuHause3> yes 13:00:55 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c220-239-221-78.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: ThePizzaKing] 13:01:37 <LordAzamath> and nvar is 01, because I check one range, if it's not on air, I'll use default :P 13:01:42 <LordAzamath> right? 13:01:55 <Eddi|zuHause3> no, other way round 13:02:04 <LordAzamath> ? 13:02:05 <Eddi|zuHause3> you check the range if it is on the ground (between 0 and 0) 13:02:15 <Eddi|zuHause3> and use default if you are in the air 13:02:17 <LordAzamath> but still 0 yes? 13:02:43 <LordAzamath> 01 * 13:02:48 <Eddi|zuHause3> yes 13:02:59 <Eddi|zuHause3> one range, plus default 13:03:13 <LordAzamath> brb /dog walking/ 13:11:49 <LordAzamath> ok back 13:12:10 <LordAzamath> now to this part (<set-id> <low-range> <high-range>){n} 13:13:09 <LordAzamath> set ID let's put 0b 13:13:32 <LordAzamath> because it optional what I'll set it 13:13:37 <LordAzamath> isn't it? 13:14:04 <LordAzamath> low and high ranges are 00 both 13:14:14 <LordAzamath> because I want it to be exactly 0 13:14:15 <LordAzamath> yes? 13:14:35 <LordAzamath> but what is that {n} ? 13:15:24 <LordAzamath> I guess it's for 'You repeat the sequence of <set-id> <low-range> <high-range> as often as <nvar> specifies.' 13:15:48 <LordAzamath> and default would be.. let's say 0c 13:16:35 <LordAzamath> now I'll define two normal action2s, one for 0b, other for 0c 13:16:50 <LordAzamath> Eddi|zuHause3, am I right 13:18:53 <LordAzamath> or do I have to define two normal action2s before var2? 13:20:14 *** Horscht [~n@p4FD4F405.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:20:55 *** Audigex [~Audigex@89.241.164.207] has joined #openttd 13:21:56 <xand> not sure what I'm doing wrong... trying to compile 0.6.0 beta3 on debian but when I try to run openttd it says: "openttd: /home/alex/openttd-0.6.0-beta3/src/openttd.cpp:111: void error(const char*, ...): Assertion `0' failed."... I have followed the instructions at http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Compiling_on_Linux 13:22:27 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 13:22:30 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:23:34 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 13:24:09 <Horscht> I was wondering how I would be able to make openttd (currently using the 6.0 beta 3) to not create an Openttd folder in the "my documents" folder on windows (XP SP2), but instead make it look for the config in the folder i installed it to. I am asking this, because i want my openttd to be "portable". I have simply unzipped it to a USB stick and would like to be able to run it from there, carying my config with me etc. 13:24:21 <Horscht> how would I go about doing that? 13:24:53 <peter1138> move the config to your folder 13:25:41 <Horscht> would that work? If I went to another PC, it would aotumatically detect ità 13:25:57 <Horscht> and it would not create an openttd folder in "my documents"? 13:26:49 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB65D9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:26:50 <Eddi|zuHause3> LordAzamath: the normal action 2 must be defined before the varaction2 13:26:57 <LordAzamath> ok 13:27:14 <Sacro> argh 13:27:18 * Sacro slaps exaile 13:27:25 <Sacro> it has an eminiem fetish >< 13:27:31 *** Yorick|AFK is now known as Yorick 13:27:35 <Yorick> back 13:27:58 <Horscht> wow, great. Thank you, didn't think it would be that easy, peter1138 13:29:52 <LordAzamath> Eddi|zuHause3: Thanks ALOT. now renum doesn't complain either :) 13:30:34 <LordAzamath> but one thing is that why did I have to define ranges as Dwords? 13:30:38 <LordAzamath> 00 00 00 00 13:30:47 <LordAzamath> instead of 00? 13:31:11 <Yorick> Gonozal_VIII : the gonozalIN with truckdriver security and newstations pbs reservation state: http://paste.openttd.org/533 13:31:14 <Eddi|zuHause3> because you used type 89 (dword) 13:31:19 <LordAzamath> ok 13:31:26 <LordAzamath> but didn't I mask it out? 13:31:32 <Yorick> hmm 13:31:38 <Yorick> didn't copy it all 13:31:43 <Eddi|zuHause3> yes, but masking only sets them 0, not make them disappear 13:32:03 <LordAzamath> but right shift? ah yea, I didn't use it 13:32:22 <glx> even shifting won't change the var size 13:32:28 <LordAzamath> so it is as such: 21 * 23 02 03 0a 89 44 00 00 ff 00 00 01 0b 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 0c 00 13:32:43 <LordAzamath> and renum doesn't complain :) 13:33:17 <Gekz> I want to hug your bhlood! 13:33:22 <Gekz> blood! 13:33:23 <Gekz> lol. 13:33:25 <Sacro> i think i've lost my grfcodec PKGBUILD D: 13:33:35 <Gekz> noooo 13:33:42 <Gekz> grfcodec? 13:33:47 <Sacro> yes 13:33:53 <Gekz> which is? 13:34:06 <Yorick> Gonozal_VIII ? the new patch is @ http://rapidshare.de/files/38531031/GonozalIN-r12092_truckdriver_security_newstations_pbsreservation.patch.html 13:34:11 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm90.epsilon123.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 13:35:08 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:35:48 *** Yorick is now known as Yorick|AFK 13:36:30 <LordAzamath> :o 13:36:40 <LordAzamath> it doesn't work :( 13:38:37 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@ip-62-143-77-44.1311A-CUD12K-02.ish.de] has joined #openttd 13:43:03 <Sacro> svn co is slooooooooooooow d: 13:43:17 <Sacro> 12 minutes now i think 13:44:32 *** Horscht [~n@p4FD4F405.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Horscht] 13:45:46 <LordAzamath> Eddi|zuHause3, can you give me some more hints http://paste.openttd.org/534 13:46:07 <LordAzamath> it only uses default 0c 13:46:14 <LordAzamath> whichever altitude plane has 13:47:26 <Eddi|zuHause3> then maybe it was the wrong bitmask ;) 13:48:03 *** Yorick|AFK is now known as Yorick 13:48:13 <LordAzamath> 00 00 ff 00 shows only 0b 13:48:25 <LordAzamath> I tried it 13:48:49 <LordAzamath> or it doesn't change anything,,, 13:49:04 <LordAzamath> because original gfx are the same for plane 05 13:49:11 <glx> it should do 00 00 xx 00 13:49:35 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N836P019.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:51:58 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 13:53:28 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N836P019.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 13:53:46 <LordAzamath> glx: but in little endian it should be 00 ff 00 00.. 13:53:50 <LordAzamath> or not? 13:54:11 <glx> yes 13:54:47 <LordAzamath> well, it is 13:55:13 <Sacro> mmm 13:55:21 <Sacro> 1 minute for ./configure && make -j2 13:55:29 <Sacro> 4.453 sys 13:55:46 <LordAzamath> but it never seems to get to stae, where min altitude and max altitude are 0 13:55:53 <LordAzamath> I mean to ground 13:56:09 <LordAzamath> state* 13:57:24 <LordAzamath> so 00 00 00 00 and 00 00 00 00 are wrong 13:58:18 <LordAzamath> can anyone give me a hint what are right values there? 13:59:07 <glx> well your code returns 00 0B for range 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 13:59:49 <LordAzamath> yes 14:00:03 <LordAzamath> I thought it was ground 14:00:16 <LordAzamath> but is it perhaps 01 00 00 00? 14:00:33 <LordAzamath> or what is the right value? 14:01:26 <LordAzamath> I thought it was ground, because it should be height 0.. 14:05:01 <LordAzamath> Aircraft info (44) ormat: xxxxhhtt(available from 2.0.1 alpha 48)hh is the height of the aircraft above ground, or more properly above the height of its shadow. Buildings, including the heliport, don't count as "ground", i.e. to get the height above a heliport, you have to subtract the heliport height from hh.tt is the type of the current airport: 0=small, 1=large, 2=heliport, 3=oil rig. The current airport is the target airport for airc 14:05:01 <LordAzamath> t. 14:05:30 <LordAzamath> but it doesn't say, what is the height of airport/ground.. 14:07:14 *** Forked [~kjetil@bruker.adsl.no] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:08:02 <glx> try 00 00 00 00 04 00 00 00 14:08:22 <xand> can I make a vehicle wait for full loads of all cargo types? 14:08:38 *** kjetil [~kjetil@bruker.adsl.no] has joined #openttd 14:08:48 *** kjetil is now known as Forked 14:09:00 <LordAzamath> yes, you can 14:09:05 <glx> disable "full load of any" 14:09:11 <Forked> urrgh 14:10:45 <xand> thanks 14:11:30 <LordAzamath> glx, doesn't work 14:11:51 <LordAzamath> I even tried ff 00 00 00 for the second value, still doesn't work 14:13:07 *** Hendikins|Out is now known as Hendikins 14:13:51 <glx> give me your grf, I'll try in debug mod :) 14:14:00 <glx> to see what value it is 14:18:40 <xand> nooo it crashed 14:19:34 <xand> dragging track removal tool onto a tunnel = game quits with "Aborted" :| 14:22:53 *** Forked [~kjetil@bruker.adsl.no] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:23:31 <glx> known 14:23:41 <glx> fixed in nightlies 14:26:11 <Gonozal_VIII> why are there 6 newlines at the end of main_gui.cpp? 14:26:44 <Sacro> Gonozal_VIII: good luck 14:27:25 <glx> Gonozal_VIII: only 3 for me 14:28:44 *** safgsg [~Gonozal_V@N836P019.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 14:28:45 *** Gonozal_VIII is now known as Guest926 14:28:45 *** safgsg is now known as Gonozal_VIII 14:28:57 <Yorick> how do you manage to disconnect so often? 14:29:14 <Gonozal_VIII> other guy on router downloading stuff... 14:29:20 <Gonozal_VIII> all the time 14:29:25 <Yorick> so? 14:29:36 <Gonozal_VIII> router doesn't like that 14:29:36 <Yorick> is that a problem for your connection? 14:29:40 <Yorick> aaw 14:29:50 <Yorick> go buying another one 14:29:59 <Gonozal_VIII> drops ping stuff or something, no idea 14:30:29 *** Forked [~kjetil@bruker.adsl.no] has joined #openttd 14:30:49 <Forked> urrrgh! stupid dsl modem 14:30:52 <Forked> or at least the wlan part of it 14:34:41 <Yorick> http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/OpenTTDDevBlackBook/Patches/AddPatchOption <-- is this thing uptodate? 14:34:51 *** Guest926 [~Gonozal_V@N836P019.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:35:57 <Yorick> it seems like the variable.h stuff has been moved to settings_type.h 14:36:05 <Eddi|zuHause3> then update it 14:36:48 <Yorick> I'm not sure of it... 14:37:26 <Yorick> there is no typedef struct Patches { in settings_type.h 14:37:59 <Yorick> I'll grep for it 14:38:01 *** Wolf01 is now known as Guest927 14:38:02 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host114-236-dynamic.15-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 14:38:32 *** xerxes [user@xerxes.foocode.net] has joined #openttd 14:38:35 <Yorick> ah, that probably changed too 14:41:51 *** Zahl [~Zahl@p549F3241.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 14:43:57 *** Guest927 [~wolf01@host114-236-dynamic.15-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:45:17 *** shodan [user@xerxes.foocode.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:45:17 *** xerxes is now known as shodan 14:49:27 *** xerxes [user@xerxes.foocode.net] has joined #openttd 14:51:06 <Gonozal_VIII> daylength 255 is fun :-) 14:53:55 <Forked> 255 eh 14:54:31 <Gonozal_VIII> yep :-) i changed the upper limit from 30 to 255 14:54:51 <Gonozal_VIII> and added time display to the status bar 14:56:10 *** shodan [user@xerxes.foocode.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:56:10 *** xerxes is now known as shodan 14:58:14 <Eddi|zuHause3> but weren't there already "value out of range" errors with the current maximum? 14:58:29 <Sacro> 2 loud crunches there 15:00:01 <Yorick> I'm working on a "Enable rail crossing sound" patch option 15:00:08 <Sacro> Yorick: why? 15:00:12 <Sacro> there are a few already 15:00:14 <Sacro> none will get commited 15:00:19 <Yorick> because I want one 15:00:23 <Sacro> use the grf :s 15:00:31 <Yorick> and I want to learn coding openttd 15:00:43 <Yorick> nah...too easy 15:02:17 <glx> if it can be done with grfs, your patch will never go in trunk :) 15:02:37 *** planetmaker is now known as pm|away 15:02:39 <Yorick> I know 15:02:52 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N836P019.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:03:11 <Yorick> but that is like needing to have knowledge just to disable the annoying crossing sound 15:03:19 <Yorick> +it won't work in MP or title screens 15:05:00 <Yorick> wouldn't it be nice to have a sound tab with a whole bunch of choices: "Enable rail crossing sound", "Enable new vehicle sound", "Enable sound for leaving train" 15:06:01 <Yorick> so you can have the news sound, but not the crossing sound or the "Oooooohhhh" sound 15:07:44 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: smatz * r12094 /trunk/src/ (7 files): -Codechange: use DC_BANKRUPT command flag when removing player property to allow further fixes 15:13:14 <Yorick> how can I access a patch value? 15:16:04 <Yorick> as, using _patches. 15:17:38 *** Audi [~Audigex@89.241.164.207] has joined #openttd 15:19:38 <glx> in console? 15:20:54 <Yorick> found it 15:21:36 *** DJ_Mirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 15:22:21 *** Jortuny [~octernion@r253186120.resnet.cornell.edu] has joined #openttd 15:23:37 *** Audigex [~Audigex@89.241.164.207] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:26:41 *** Audi [~Audigex@89.241.164.207] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:30:07 *** DJ_Mirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:30:40 *** helb [~helb@62.240.176.23] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 15:31:14 *** helb [~helb@62.240.176.23] has joined #openttd 15:31:17 *** DJ_Mirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 15:31:29 <Yorick> http://paste.openttd.org/536 <-- does anyone know what I've been doing wrong? 15:40:13 *** Audigex [~Audigex@88-104-165-64.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 15:41:02 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B805B1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:41:02 <Eddi|zuHause3> why mixup between "play" and "enable"? 15:41:37 <Yorick> where? 15:41:53 <Yorick> ah 15:41:53 <Eddi|zuHause3> in settings_gui.cpp 15:42:05 <Yorick> thanks 15:42:32 *** DJ_Mirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:42:34 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B830BE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 15:42:36 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 15:43:48 *** DJ_Mirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 15:45:38 <Yorick> it works now :) 15:45:52 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm90.epsilon123.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [] 15:48:18 *** Audigex [~Audigex@88-104-165-64.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:50:53 *** Ridayah [~ridayah@137.81.113.87] has joined #openttd 15:51:23 *** divo [~asd@x1-6-00-18-39-d3-e9-f6.k899.webspeed.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:52:06 *** Aerandir [magic.powe@90-230-201-111-no37.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Quit: - nbs-irc 2.36 - www.nbs-irc.net -] 15:52:07 *** DJ_Mirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:53:18 *** DJ_Mirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 15:57:01 *** Audigex [~Audigex@89.241.174.242] has joined #openttd 16:02:37 *** DJ_Mirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:03:33 *** Aerandir [magic.powe@90-230-201-111-no37.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 16:03:47 *** DJ_Mirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 16:11:52 *** DJ_Mirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:12:07 *** Klanticus [~Klanticus@189.7.87.133] has joined #openttd 16:12:47 *** DJ_Mirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 16:16:59 *** Roujin [~Roujin@p54973358.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 16:18:32 <Roujin> hello there 16:19:00 <Yorick> hello 16:19:40 <Roujin> if any dev reads this, i'd like to know if the change made to the sign transparency option was intended or is a bug 16:20:38 <Yorick> what rev? 16:20:50 *** DJ_Mirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:21:01 <Roujin> meaning 'x' toggles sign transparency as well - that was different some time ago and comments in transparency_gui.cpp say it should still NOT be switched by 'x' 16:21:22 <Roujin> erm.. rather long ago i think 16:21:32 <Yorick> isn't that above the file? 16:21:44 <Roujin> i think it came with introduction of the transparency gui 16:21:50 *** DJ_Mirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 16:21:54 <Yorick> !openttd commit 12022 16:22:05 <Yorick> @openttd commit 12022 16:22:05 <DorpsGek> Yorick: Commit by belugas :: r12022 /trunk/src (4 files in 2 dirs) (2008-01-30 17:36:28 UTC) 16:22:06 <DorpsGek> Yorick: -Revert(r12018): Invisible trees are now separate from the building concept. 16:22:07 <DorpsGek> Yorick: So when you want invisible trees, just select the option of the same name in the Patch Options and toggle transparency of trees. 16:22:08 <DorpsGek> Yorick: More to come on the saga of Invisibility. So stay tuned. 16:22:36 <Yorick> @openttd commit 12018 16:22:37 <DorpsGek> Yorick: Commit by belugas :: r12018 /trunk/src (3 files) (2008-01-30 03:34:24 UTC) 16:22:38 <DorpsGek> Yorick: -Fix(FS#1721,r9563): Restore initial intent on the invisible tree while transparent building patch setting 16:24:56 <Roujin> that's not related 16:27:27 <Yorick> 12022 is the lastest change to tranparency_gui 16:27:41 *** Klanticus [~Klanticus@189.7.87.133] has quit [Quit: Saindo] 16:28:01 <Roujin> I mean the option "transparent signs", that used to be independent from all other transparency and not toggled by 'x'. The comments in the code still say it should be like this, but it isn't. If this is a bug i made a little patch to fix it here: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=31432&p=663907#p663907 16:28:28 <Roujin> <Yorick> 12022 is the lastest change to tranparency_gui <-- i know, it was before this 16:28:50 <Roujin> i think it was introduced back when the transparency gui was introduced 16:29:58 *** welterde [welterde@gandalf.srv.welterde.de] has joined #openttd 16:30:37 *** DJ_Mirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:31:16 *** DJ_Mirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 16:36:35 <Belugas> why should it be independant from toggling, Roujin? 16:41:50 *** DJ_Mirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:43:00 *** DJ_Mirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 16:50:31 <Roujin> Belugas: because in my opinion (and the one who started the topic of my link above, so i'm not alone with this opinion), transparent signs is a choice one does for himself one time (which do i like better?) and keeps it like this all the time 16:51:15 * Yorick agrees 16:51:44 <Roujin> that was how it was like before introduction of the transparency gui, and that is what the comments say in transparency_gui.cpp 16:52:36 <Roujin> the widget list is seperated by comments in two blocks: /* Widgets not toggled when pressing the X key */ and /* Widgets toggled when pressing the X key */ 16:54:29 <Roujin> in this thread i also posted a more elaborate idea for the transparency window which could allow everyone to set "locks" for himself to choose which options are toggled by 'x' (non-locked) and which ones are not (locked) 16:56:42 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A473D5.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:57:16 <peter1138> <Roujin> i think it was introduced back when the transparency gui was introduced 16:57:19 <peter1138> no it wasn't 16:57:24 <peter1138> it was broken after that 16:58:47 *** DJ_Mirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:59:41 <Roujin> does that mean it was not intentional? 17:00:23 *** DJ_Mirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 17:00:42 *** Wolfolo|AWAY [~wolf01@82.61.20.19] has joined #openttd 17:00:42 *** Wolf01 is now known as Guest933 17:00:42 *** Wolfolo|AWAY is now known as Wolf01 17:01:06 <Roujin> if so, i can offer my little patch, that makes the sign transparency option independent again from toggle transparency (link posted above) 17:01:44 <peter1138> well i and wolf01 did it that way originally intentionally 17:03:33 <Roujin> i see.. so you don't want to change it back i guess? then what about the other idea I wrote in that thread (with the locks) 17:07:02 <Roujin> well at least i'm not the only one who'd like to set this option and have it not toggle when pressing 'x' 17:07:02 *** Guest933 [~wolf01@host114-236-dynamic.15-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:08:46 *** DJ_Mirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 17:09:12 <Wolf01> i made a patch to save the transparency between sessions in the .cfg, so you can save them and toggle only the ones you use offten 17:09:36 <peter1138> they are saved now, aren't they? 17:10:21 <Wolf01> yes, but differently as i intended when i made the patch 17:12:01 *** DJ_Mirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 17:12:10 <Roujin> well, this only helps when one does not touch the 'x' constantly but sets transparency to one setting and keeps it like this all the time 17:14:15 <Roujin> I like to play with trees and houses and stuff, except when I'm building something and don't see anything. Then I set most of the stuff to transparent (and I want that on 'x', not have to click one by one in the gui) and build. After that, I turn it visible again. 17:14:57 <Roujin> Except two options: Signs (i want them always transparent), and loading indicators (i want them always visible) 17:15:20 <Wolf01> loading indicators should be removed from there 17:15:56 <Wolf01> they have their own patch setting, and is not a transparency 17:16:18 <Roujin> i agree 17:17:09 <Roujin> one could put it in the dropdown though. and remove transparent houses and transparent signs as these are in the gui when we're at it. 17:18:13 <Wolf01> and another thing, i change transparencies all the time, so i don't need them saved, sometimes i need transparent trees, other times i need transparent houses, so i use very often the ctrl+number shortcuts, but i often enable more than one transparency and i want that X clear all the transparencies, that's why i made a widget to save them only if the player wants it 17:18:31 <Yorick> I think it would be a good idea to make a patch option "pathfinder to use for ..." instead of "Enable YAPF for Ships" and "Enable NPF (overrides NTP)" 17:19:49 * Yorick has just done a grepping action that made some 1,08gb file... 17:20:17 <Yorick> grepping for SND_15_BEEP is bad 17:21:20 <Roujin> wolf01: where's that widget? 17:21:29 <Wolf01> on my patch 17:21:59 <Roujin> ah 17:22:22 <Wolf01> is still under work, but i don't have time to fix it and maintain it 17:22:48 <Roujin> is that a candidate for trunk when fixed? 17:23:12 <Roujin> in other works are you doing substantial work on transparency that's likely to go into trunk? 17:23:42 <peter1138> :o 17:23:48 <peter1138> 305% of an estimated 8k tonnes transported 17:24:08 <Yorick> erm...no so strange 17:24:26 <Yorick> 1264% of an estimated 16,000k litres transported ;) 17:24:27 <Roujin> thats 24,04k tonnes :> 17:24:54 <Wolf01> when i do some work, i always submit it to developers, and they often modify the patch heavily (like peter1138 did with the first version of the transparency patch) 17:25:06 <Roujin> damn miscalculated :P 17:25:35 <Yorick> @calc 3,05*8 17:25:35 <DorpsGek> Yorick: Error: Something in there wasn't a valid number. 17:25:37 <Wolf01> so i always try to make all the ideas i want and they use the best parts 17:25:39 <Yorick> @calc 3.05*8 17:25:39 <DorpsGek> Yorick: 24.4 17:26:43 <Wolf01> i wanted also to extend it with some presets, automatically enabled when opening toolbars, like transparent trees when building rail, or transparent houses when building roads, but i think it will be really useless, maybe in some cases it helps, but not always 17:27:04 <Roujin> wolf01: i had some thoughts about the topic in this thread: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=31432 17:27:16 <Roujin> made a mockup of it too 17:27:35 <Roujin> options could be locked with CTRL-Click on them 17:28:06 <peter1138> the lock? 17:28:06 <peter1138> i like that 17:28:23 <Roujin> are you planning on something similar? (then i won't try to do it as you're probably better than me ;) 17:28:25 <Wolf01> if you can save it to .cfg, i think it should be made into trunk 17:28:26 *** Madassasin [Madassasin@86.126.36.219] has joined #openttd 17:28:33 <Madassasin> hello people 17:28:52 <Wolf01> if you want i can submit you the part to save the transparencies to .cfg 17:29:11 <Wolf01> so you need only to check if is locked or not 17:29:26 <Roujin> hello assassin, here have an 's' :P 17:29:35 <Madassasin> a question to those who know C and/or C++: what's the difference between char* and char[]? some say there's no difference, some say there is O_o 17:29:35 <Wolf01> (if is locked you save it) 17:29:37 * Roujin gives Madassasin another s 17:29:58 <Madassasin> ...:P 17:30:13 <peter1138> Wolf01, i thought transparency options were saved now? 17:30:22 <peter1138> at least, i have it as an option 17:30:24 <Yorick> I'll have to find another way to disable the beep when the patch set so 17:30:26 <Roujin> well the first is a pointer, the second an array... 17:30:41 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: smatz * r12095 /trunk/src/ (road_cmd.cpp station_cmd.cpp water_cmd.cpp): -Fix [FS#1703]: when a company bankrupts, remove drive-through road stops, ship depots and buoys too. Update owners of water and road. 17:30:54 <peter1138> Madassasin, char* is a char pointer, char[] is a char array... 17:30:55 <Wolf01> they are saved, but it is not optional, or is it? 17:31:09 <peter1138> optional saving? why? 17:31:12 <Yorick> it's not optional 17:31:32 <Wolf01> 'cause not all players want it saved :) 17:31:54 <Madassasin> Roujin: yeah, but I often find people say that an the array's name is a pointer, my_array[0] and &myarray as well O_o 17:32:06 <Roujin> an array is initialized with a set size, its static. if you initialize a pointer, you still have to allocate memory for it and you can reallocate any time you want.. a difference for example 17:32:34 <glx> an array is like a malloced pointer 17:32:40 <Madassasin> Roujin: not exactly, C allows dynamic arrays 17:32:52 <Yorick> would it be with the code style if editing SndPlaxFx to return when trying to play the beep sound when that option is enabled instead of having to hunt for every occurence of SndPlayFx(SND_15_BEEP)? 17:34:54 <Madassasin> eg for example both `int main(int argc, char* argv[])' & `int main(int argc, char** argv)' work on most compilers 17:35:57 <Tron> <Madassasin> Roujin: not exactly, C allows dynamic arrays <--- depends on your definition of the word "dynamic", but most probably no 17:36:34 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: smatz * r12096 /trunk/src/openttd.cpp: -Fix: remove leftover property when loading older savegames 17:36:41 <peter1138> Yorick, better to replace all SndPlayFx(SND_15_BEEP) with SndBeep() or something... then do the necessary there? 17:37:11 <peter1138> hmm, £199 laptop. that's going to suck 17:37:39 <Yorick> yes, wouldn't it be that grepping for SndPlayFx(SND_15_BEEP) gives me a more-than-1-gb-file 17:37:39 <Tron> <Madassasin> eg for example both `int main(int argc, char* argv[])' & `int main(int argc, char** argv)' work on most compilers <--- this is because in this special case (parameter list) an array declarator as outermost declarator is treated the same as a pointer 17:38:25 <Madassasin> OK, I see, thanks for clearing the confusion 17:38:31 <Madassasin> now, more stuff to ask :D 17:38:35 <Madassasin> Does anyone know what container should I use (in C++) to group some objects, that allows acces to any of them directly (like arrays( so I can use it's members, and it's size can be modofied at runtime (arrays are a bit complex this way)? 17:38:38 <DaleStan> <glx> http://paste.openttd.org/523 <-- I needed to do this to compile grfcodec with mingw/msys <-- "|| true"? Are you serious? 17:38:40 <Yorick> any way to do that using grep, peter1138? (hmm...my messages contain more grep!) 17:39:41 <glx> DaleStan: yes cp grfcodec grfcodec.exe always fails for mingw/msys 17:39:43 <Tron> in NO other case an array is the same as a pointer, but by using a variable of array type in an expression in most cases (!) you implicitely get a pointer to the first element 17:40:41 <glx> DaleStan: but it may be better to check for grfcodec existance before copying 17:41:02 <peter1138> perl -pi -e 's/SndPlayFx(SND_15_BEEP)/SndBeep()/g' *.cpp 17:41:14 <peter1138> probably with some escaping for the braces 17:41:23 <peter1138> brackets 17:41:27 <peter1138> whatever you want to call them 17:41:30 <Yorick> ok 17:41:31 <Tron> parentheses 17:41:41 <peter1138> :) 17:42:18 <glx> Madassasin: try std::vector 17:42:30 <Madassasin> thanks 17:42:59 * Yorick finds perl somewhere 17:43:30 <glx> but that may depend on what you want to do 17:43:36 <Tron> but be careful of the semantics of std::vector 17:44:04 <Tron> e.g. having a pointer or reference to an element in the vector usually is a bad idea 17:48:48 <Roujin> well i'm off for now, let's see if i can pull something up for the transparency window ;) 17:48:55 <Roujin> bye 17:49:20 *** Roujin [~Roujin@p54973358.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- It'll be on slashdot one day...] 17:51:05 <Yorick> OMG, notepad++ is actually able to cope with 400+ files opened, 20MB memory usage 17:51:56 *** AntB [~AntB-UK@host81-141-195-60.wlms-broadband.com] has joined #openttd 17:55:50 <Madassasin> just 400? :P 17:56:40 <Yorick> just to be doing mass search&destroy...erm...replace actions on that files and saving them all 17:56:54 <Madassasin> Tron: well to be honest, I'm getting my first try at a game, and I'm making a nation simulator 17:57:18 <Madassasin> Tron: and I need a way to group available resources so I can access them easily 17:57:21 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B830BE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: icebears... take care of them!] 17:57:22 *** Sacro` [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-119-5.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 17:57:23 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-119-5.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:58:00 <Yorick> I now have 4 patch options at my specific sound enabling/disabling patch 17:58:11 <peter1138> :o 17:58:21 <peter1138> Do it with a grf ;) 17:58:38 <Yorick> nah...too easy 18:00:09 *** Ash_ [~ash@ppp59-167-110-86.lns3.bne1.internode.on.net] has joined #openttd 18:00:11 *** Madassasin is now known as Madassassin 18:00:31 <Madassassin> happy? :P 18:01:25 <Ash_> Hi all. I'm in the 0.6.0-beta3 scenario editor, working with a snowy environment, but can't place farms. Is there a trick to this? From Ash_. 18:01:27 *** Madassassin [Madassasin@86.126.36.219] has quit [Quit: well, g2g] 18:01:46 <Yorick> its not a forum here! 18:02:04 <Yorick> modify The Code 18:02:39 <Ash_> Right, thanks. 18:03:34 *** Yorick is now known as Yorick|AFK 18:03:41 <Yorick|AFK> afk now, cya all 18:04:56 <SmatZ> Ash_: are you trying to build the farm above snow level? 18:06:37 <Ash_> Everywhere. 18:06:56 <Ash_> It might be possible I just don't have enough land above snow level. That'd suck. 18:08:46 *** Zr40 [~zr40@2001:960:786:0:21b:63ff:fe9e:ab24] has joined #openttd 18:13:44 *** Wolf01 is now known as Wolf01|AWAY 18:15:19 *** Tlustoch [~last_evol@r6al232.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 18:15:34 *** Tlustoch [~last_evol@r6al232.net.upc.cz] has quit [] 18:17:11 <Ash_> Okay, I can't place farms at all. 18:18:23 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host109-232-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 18:23:04 *** Phoenix_the_II [rdeboom@home.deboom.biz] has quit [] 18:24:45 *** Wolf01|AWAY [~wolf01@82.61.20.19] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:29:07 *** AntB [~AntB-UK@host81-141-195-60.wlms-broadband.com] has quit [Quit: *poof!* I am gone -=- Using ChatZilla] 18:31:08 *** Amis [~amis.weas@dsl5400C303.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 18:31:16 *** Amis [~amis.weas@dsl5400C303.pool.t-online.hu] has left #openttd [] 18:31:37 *** Zr40 [~zr40@2001:960:786:0:21b:63ff:fe9e:ab24] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:36:04 *** Audigex [~Audigex@89.241.174.242] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:42:36 *** Maedhros [~jc@host86-136-161-204.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 18:45:13 <peter1138> nyom nyom nyom 18:46:48 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-129-175.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: und weg] 18:46:50 <hylje> om nom nom 18:50:31 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A473D5.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 18:51:03 <Tefad> HURGUK BLURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGLE 18:58:39 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:01:56 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-139-073.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 19:03:54 *** Yorick|AFK is now known as Yorick 19:04:15 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@users.kollegienet.dk] has quit [Quit: http://tinodidriksen.com/] 19:06:20 *** fjb [~frank@p5485F32A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:14:12 *** UnderBuilder [~chatzilla@168.226.104.180] has joined #openttd 19:22:32 *** Phoenix_the_II [rdeboom@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 19:22:33 *** Neverhood [~Neverhood@123.116.96.153] has quit [Quit: Good news everyone!] 19:23:46 *** Species8472- [~nnscript@ip54576152.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #openttd 19:25:34 *** fjb [~frank@p5485F32A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:30:47 *** Species8472 [~nnscript@ip54576152.direct-adsl.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:35:40 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has joined #openttd 19:37:41 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl7-178-234.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Bye] 19:45:37 <Yorick> is NTP even there somewhere? 19:46:04 <Yorick> I can't find it 19:48:23 <peter1138> Yup 19:48:35 <Yorick> where exactly? 19:48:49 <Yorick> I can't find it around the patches, or in the language file 19:49:03 <Yorick> I don't mean the algorith itself ^^ 19:49:31 <blathijs> Yorick: I think it's called "New pathfinding for trains" or something 19:49:34 <peter1138> So what are you looking for? 19:50:11 <Yorick> I'm looking for a way to do "Pathfinder to use for trains:" instead of "Use YAPF for trains", "Use NPF(overrides NTP)" 19:51:55 <Yorick> I can find a new_pathfinding_all, but I think that's NPF 19:52:28 <Yorick> there is no reference to NTP somewhere at the patches or in the language files(except in the NPF option :-P 19:52:42 <blathijs> Perhaps it's removed somewhere along the way :-) 19:52:59 <SmatZ> yeah, NTP is automatically default when no others are active, maybe that "(overrides NTP)" should be removed from lang file 19:53:31 <Yorick> ah, OPF for trains is removed :O 19:53:34 <blathijs> Ah, OPF is removed :-) 19:54:09 <Yorick> blathijs: its still there for roadvehicles(why?) and ships 19:54:11 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B74923.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 19:54:25 <blathijs> Yorick: Hmm, good point 19:54:44 <SmatZ> nobody wrote replacement for it :-P 19:55:37 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B74923.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:55:53 <Yorick> isn't yapf the replacement, SmatZ? 19:56:01 <Eddi|zuHause> something eated my keyboard... :( 19:56:17 <SmatZ> Yorick: one could say so... 20:00:17 <Yorick> why does NPF think its better and just take the whole pathfinding on it when enabling? 20:01:29 <Eddi|zuHause> because it is 20:02:50 <SmatZ> because it is coded that way 20:02:52 <Eddi|zuHause> if you are going to rewrite these settings, make YAPF recommended for trains and rv, and OPF recommended for ships (with big warning) 20:03:16 <Yorick> first thing I edited 20:03:53 <Yorick> I had someone complaining of I could put NPF on instead of YAPF last week :D 20:04:33 <Yorick> lets see, how does the MultiString option work? 20:04:54 <Eddi|zuHause> there are plenty of examples ;) 20:05:22 <Yorick> where? 20:05:43 <Eddi|zuHause> many difficulty options are like that 20:05:49 <Eddi|zuHause> or the town road setting 20:07:05 *** Dark_Link^ [~glidegame@fw.dormnet.his.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:07:08 *** Dark_Link^ [~glidegame@fw.dormnet.his.se] has joined #openttd 20:07:40 <peter1138> it's an implied list of strings 20:07:44 <Yorick> yes, but I don't know from what string they are selected, do I have to define that somewhere, or does the thing autodetect the order? 20:08:11 <peter1138> the first string is the setting's name 20:08:18 <peter1138> then the rest follow in order 20:08:26 <peter1138> also known as a nasty kludge 20:08:35 <Yorick> but that is nice :) 20:10:01 *** HerzogDeXtE1 [~Flex@i577B46C2.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:11:35 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i577B46C2.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 20:20:57 <Yorick> I'll have to seperate npf for ships, roadvehicles and trains first... 20:21:57 <SmatZ> what do you think? http://88.146.45.107/ttd/old.png -> http://88.146.45.107/ttd/new3d.png 20:22:09 <SmatZ> I hope at least here will somebody find it useful :-D 20:24:02 <Yorick> hmm...the gui bar has moved to the left, but are there any other differences? 20:24:32 <SmatZ> the snow on rail tiles with foundations :-x 20:24:40 *** planetmaker [~chatzilla@Fcdec.f.ppp-pool.de] has joined #openttd 20:30:25 <blathijs> Yorick: When I coded NPF, it was meant to be a replacement for all pathfinders. It suffered a bit from being to elegant and general to be fast, so that didn't really work out. Nobody ever really bothered with splitting out the options (should be rather a trivial change, I guess) 20:30:45 <Wolf01> I wish it will be possible to keep the terrain under tracks 20:31:27 <Wolf01> instead of force one type 20:33:06 *** Andel [~andel@owenrudge.net] has left #openttd [] 20:48:27 <Yorick> YAPF seems to be largely unimplemented for ships? 20:48:35 *** Wolf01 is now known as Guest946 20:48:36 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host109-232-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 20:49:04 <Yorick> static const Depot* FindClosestShipDepot does not have a check for YAPF 20:49:44 <Yorick> I have to go now 20:49:52 <Yorick> cya tomorrow, maybe, bye 20:49:57 *** Yorick [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: quitting] 20:51:41 *** Zr40 [~zr40@zr40.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 20:54:23 *** Guest946 [~wolf01@host109-232-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:04:18 *** LordAzamath [~LordAzama@ip18.cab22.ltln.starman.ee] 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