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00:00:43 <Eddi|zuHause2> "blaugrau" != "blau" 00:01:06 <fjb> blaugrau = stahlblau 00:01:07 *** Zavior [~zavior@d195-237-7-167.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:01:50 <fjb> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/DRG_Baureihe_E_18 00:02:22 <Eddi|zuHause2> http://www.elektrolok.de/Baureihen/118-farbedrb.htm 00:03:00 <michi_cc> for your further enjoyment: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=666566#p666566 00:03:04 <michi_cc> and I'm off to sleep 00:05:03 <fjb> Hm, another kind of blue. Never knew that. And the green could be a special color scheme for taking pictures. Like the color scheme for steam engines. 00:05:52 <Gonozal_VIII> oh nice 00:06:08 <Gonozal_VIII> i guess i'll have to update my patchpack again too then 00:06:34 <Gonozal_VIII> hmm not now.. tomorrow 00:07:46 <fjb> Ah, miche fixed the self locking bug. 00:07:55 <fjb> michi 00:08:48 *** lexx [~lexx@n110.cpms.ru] has joined #openttd 00:08:55 <fjb> I'm going to bake a new binary now. :-) 00:09:00 <Eddi|zuHause2> fjb: like i said, the blue was an invention of the 1950s 00:09:14 <Eddi|zuHause2> at the same time as the introduction of the E10 00:09:24 <fjb> The earlier blue looked almost the same. 00:11:10 *** lexx [~lexx@n110.cpms.ru] has left #openttd [] 00:11:22 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D664.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:15:59 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-108-75.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [Quit: Zzz] 00:18:50 <Eddi|zuHause2> i have a distinct lack of good diesel engines... 00:20:20 <Eddi|zuHause2> the V160 is too weak for heavy passenger trains, and the BR 232 is too slow for express passenger trains 00:20:38 <Eddi|zuHause2> so i don't have diesel engines for heavy express passenger trains 00:22:27 <Eddi|zuHause2> i'm rotating my V200 right now 00:24:28 <fjb> Why do you not electrify that line? 00:25:06 <fjb> Or you could use 2 V160. 00:26:12 <SpComb> hmm... broadcast is difficult 00:26:58 <fjb> That did change a bit in v6. 00:28:06 <SpComb> but I've managed to break IPv4 broadcast as well, even though linux's AF_INET6 sockets should be backwards-compatible with AF_INET 00:28:45 <SpComb> a packet sent from an AF_INET6 socket to an IPv4 broadcast address doesn't seem to arrive at the destination socket, regardless of if that's AF_INET or AF_INET6 00:29:12 <Eddi|zuHause2> 2 V160? i have never seen such a train ;) 00:29:37 <Eddi|zuHause2> and i don't like electrifying the whole network 00:30:48 <fjb> Hm, maybe that is an oddity of the Linux networking stack. They had a strange v6 implementation at first. Maybe they didn't correct everything yet. 00:31:04 <fjb> 2 V160 were used sometimes. 00:31:18 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-184-139.adslplus.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:31:35 <fjb> And a line with heavy express passenger trains is a main line. 00:32:29 <Eddi|zuHause2> well, yes, but with very few towns, practically every line is a main line 00:33:04 <Eddi|zuHause2> it wouldn't be such an issue, if i had engine switching... 00:33:49 <Eddi|zuHause2> a V160 is fine in flat land, but on the hilly routes (that are already electrified) i'd rather use a BR 180 or something 00:34:01 *** UFO64 [~UFO64@brodeurmb2.umeres.maine.edu] has joined #openttd 00:34:16 <Eddi|zuHause2> 181 00:35:15 <fjb> You could implement shunting. 00:35:29 <fjb> You would definitly be my hero then. 00:35:58 <Eddi|zuHause2> now that is a huge project ;) 00:36:22 <fjb> Well worth a hero. 00:37:34 <Eddi|zuHause2> but afaik, some of the ludmillas were built for 140km/h 00:38:49 *** caladan [~caladan@161-bem-18.acn.waw.pl] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 00:39:41 *** nzvip [~svip@192.38.109.188] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:42:43 <Morloth> nn :) 00:42:53 *** Morloth [~bram@53542231.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:43:54 *** demaker [vzzmirc@x1-6-00-13-8f-ba-be-51.k21.webspeed.dk] has quit [Quit: vzz-mirc v3.0 » www.vzz.dk] 00:47:59 <SpComb> hmm... it seems that SO_BROADCAST doesn't get set on the server's UDP socket? How does it receive the LAN server-queries? 00:49:37 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-213-109.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:56:45 <SpComb> I mean, does the LAN-server-discovery thing work in the stable versions? 00:57:57 * fjb doesn't know. 00:58:13 <SpComb> hmm, it does, in 0.5.2 00:58:38 <fjb> I like the bridges over many things feature: http://www.myimg.de/?img=QNCGmbH15Jul19474aef0.png 01:04:05 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:04:19 <Gonozal_VIII> such a long distance without signals... 01:05:09 <fjb> Why should there be any signals? 01:05:21 <Gonozal_VIII> for lots and lots and lots of trains 01:06:15 <fjb> I'm just making the trains longer. 01:06:37 <Gonozal_VIII> not helping 01:06:53 <fjb> Then your trains are still too short. 01:06:53 <Gonozal_VIII> much... 01:07:26 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-165-110.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 01:07:42 <fjb> One signal every twenty tiles is enough. 01:08:01 <Gonozal_VIII> that means twenty tiles distance between the trains 01:08:11 <Gonozal_VIII> way too much 01:08:56 <Eddi|zuHause2> i have signal distance around the train length 01:09:03 <Eddi|zuHause2> i.e. 7 tiles 01:11:07 <fjb> Gonozal_VIII: How many thousand tonnes do your industries generate? 01:11:32 <Gonozal_VIII> lots of industries use the same line 01:13:26 <fjb> The industries are randomly scattered around the whole map in my games. Using the same line for many industries is prefered, but often not possible. 01:14:13 <Gonozal_VIII> sometimes i have a feeder system with small lines dropping stuff at a hub 01:15:04 <fjb> That is ok when everything has the same destination. 01:16:24 <Gonozal_VIII> even with different destinations 01:16:46 <Gonozal_VIII> just let some more small vehicles pick it up from a second hub 01:16:49 <fjb> That can be really inefficient. 01:17:34 <Gonozal_VIII> maximum profit is with direct point to point connections... but that's boring 01:17:46 <fjb> But I'm also using feeder systems sometimes: http://www.myimg.de/?img=QNCGmbH17Nov1935e6670.png 01:18:31 <fjb> Yes, that is boring. But the feeder system have to be in balance. Putting everything on the same line isn't the best idea. 01:20:07 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 01:20:57 <Gonozal_VIII> if you have for example 3 power plants that want coal (station A, B and C) and the dropoff hub D, you can use vehicle orders like that: D, A, D, B, D, C 01:21:10 <fjb> Hm, that looks a bit different now. And I need more trucks... http://www.myimg.de/?img=QNCGmbH15Jul194724b330.png 01:21:30 <Gonozal_VIII> balances just fine then 01:21:43 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 01:22:21 <fjb> Yes, but that is only useful if the power plants are located in the same area of the map. 01:25:01 <SpComb> right, seems I had some other irrelevant bug that I somehow managed to fix, it works now 01:25:19 <fjb> Self fixing bugs are the best. 01:27:12 <Gonozal_VIII> of course same area of the map, the hub is only for that area :-) 01:28:01 <fjb> Then it is useful. 01:28:55 <fjb> But I usually find the power plants at very different parts of the map. I'm usually playing randomly generated maps. 01:29:05 <Gonozal_VIII> me too 01:29:17 <Gonozal_VIII> but there are a lot of industries, even with very low 01:31:32 <fjb> Yes, but at least the ECS industries tend to die very quick. 01:31:47 <Gonozal_VIII> yes... 01:32:13 <Gonozal_VIII> would be better to start with less and have more appearing instead 01:32:22 <fjb> So there are very fast very few industies. 01:32:39 <fjb> That would be better. 01:33:47 <fjb> Maybe we could implement a setting that influences the random generation of new industries. 01:34:37 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B77D43.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:34:56 <Gonozal_VIII> would be nice... and also better settings for the number of industries at the beginning 01:36:56 <fjb> Yes. The next Gonozal patch project. :-) 01:37:04 <Eddi|zuHause3> <fjb> Yes, but that is only useful if the power plants are located in the same area of the map. <- power plants should be one per city, and required for growth beyond a certain size, similar to water towers in desert 01:37:29 <fjb> Great idea. 01:37:58 <Gonozal_VIII> there's the whole city growth ruleset thingy somewhere 01:38:25 <fjb> But I fear it gets voted against for being to realistic and making the game to hard to play for most people. 01:38:53 <fjb> to = too 01:39:15 <Eddi|zuHause3> why hard? you can play perfectly fine with towns < 2000 people 01:40:31 <fjb> I can. But look into the different forums where people are complaining that TTD is hard to play. 01:40:32 <Eddi|zuHause3> town growth should depend on power and goods supply 01:40:43 <Fujitsu> TTD is hard? 01:40:52 <Fujitsu> I'd welcome changes to make it less trivial. 01:40:56 <fjb> Fujitsu: Don't ask... 01:41:34 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B77A3F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:41:35 <fjb> I have seen people run out of money in a flat tropic world. 01:42:04 <Eddi|zuHause3> like without food up to 2000, without goods and power up to 5000 or something 01:42:34 <Eddi|zuHause3> and then more or less linearly with amount of power generated 01:42:35 <fjb> With breakdowns disabled ofcourse, else it would have been unplayable for them. 01:43:15 <Gonozal_VIII> advanced tab for the difficulty settings :-) 01:43:23 <fjb> How is the town growth working right now? I have to look at the source. 01:43:55 <Eddi|zuHause3> basically based on the amount of stations serviced 01:44:10 * Fujitsu hasn't poked around that part of the source. 01:44:14 <Eddi|zuHause3> which is stupid, because one big station is counted less than 5 bus stops 01:44:45 <fjb> 5 bus stops is a sure way to grow a town out of bounds right now. 01:45:01 <fjb> But what does a town do when it decides to grow? 01:45:39 <Eddi|zuHause3> it walks from the center tile along the roads until it hits a free spot, then tries to build a house or a road there 01:45:54 <fjb> Could a town grf implement the requirement for goods? 01:46:12 <Eddi|zuHause3> i have no idea 01:46:19 <fjb> But it sometimes trashes houses to build bigger ones. 01:47:12 <fjb> What happens if the grf denies every possible building? 01:47:39 <Eddi|zuHause3> i have a station that was once inmidst of houses at the rim of the city, now most houses around that station are gone 01:48:06 <fjb> What kind of station is that? :-) 01:48:31 <Eddi|zuHause3> i don't think it has anything to do with the station ;) 01:49:23 <fjb> Does delivery of goods trigger any event? A callback in the town grf? 01:54:40 <Eddi|zuHause3> i'm afraid you'll have to look that up on your own 01:56:40 <fjb> Is DaleStan still awake? 02:06:59 *** lugo [~lugo@p4FD5E70D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 02:08:02 <Eddi|zuHause3> i'd take that as a no ;) 02:08:59 <Gonozal_VIII> i'd take that as a yes, but won't answer n00b questions right now 02:09:02 <Gonozal_VIII> ^^ 02:13:47 *** llugo [~lugo@p4FD5EA72.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:16:52 <fjb> I should be sleeping anyway. 02:20:22 <fjb> Good night. 02:21:11 *** fjb [~frank@p5485C7F0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:35:13 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:35:20 *** Axamentia [~SlayerRag@78.105.140.209] has quit [Quit: Triplets, More triplets and palm muting...] 02:40:32 *** UnderBuilder [~chatzilla@168.226.106.206] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.81 [Firefox 2.0.0.12/2008020121]] 03:02:42 <UFO64> Anyone know of some good diagrams for some station load balancing? 03:02:59 <Gonozal_VIII> pathfinder does that on its own 03:04:37 <UFO64> Yeah, but my current set up keeps ending up with a secondary bottleneck, and trying to eliminate that seems to end up in jams. I get the feeling I can single this way better, but my atemps seem to be getting worse rather then better 03:05:03 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 03:05:09 <Gonozal_VIII> screenshot... 03:06:08 <Gonozal_VIII> there's also a difference if it's a loading or unloading station, unloading stations work best without any presignals 03:06:09 <UFO64> fair enough 03:07:10 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-88-79.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:11:06 *** Ridayah [~ridayah@137.81.113.87] has joined #openttd 03:14:20 <UFO64> Here -> http://tinyurl.com/ypnsb3 03:15:21 <Gonozal_VIII> bah, jpg, awful quality 03:15:30 <Gonozal_VIII> what kind of signals are that? 03:15:56 <UFO64> Well, picasa felt like being agry with png, and i didn't feel like registering to a more usefull service, so it worked 03:15:58 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-88-79.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 03:16:01 <Gonozal_VIII> should work fine with pbs 03:16:18 <UFO64> PBS, I have heard about it, but not read a lot into it 03:16:26 <UFO64> Path Based Signals, right? 03:16:30 <Gonozal_VIII> yes... 03:16:47 <Gonozal_VIII> don't let all lines cross 03:16:58 <Gonozal_VIII> they are all blocked if a train is on one of them 03:17:33 <UFO64> Aye, thus my problem 03:18:21 <UFO64> Isn't the point of load balancing the extrence to a station to spread the trains across the entrences? 03:18:39 <Gonozal_VIII> but not without signals between the lines 03:19:26 <Gonozal_VIII> three lines connected that way have the same capacity as one single line 03:19:37 <UFO64> Aye, I noticed 03:20:18 <UFO64> The only way my current set up has any advantage is if the 5 stations are full and trains are waiting at the presignals to enter 03:20:38 <UFO64> Then they can Que up in those bays, but beyond that, your corrent. Its almost like there is just one 03:21:45 <Gonozal_VIII> you can leave more space between the lines and place signals on the connections 03:29:04 <Tefad> http://baltimorebarcams.com/vgmusic/ transport tycoon music is up next. 03:29:11 *** Jortuny [~octernion@r253186120.resnet.cornell.edu] has joined #openttd 03:29:12 <Tefad> i rq'd it : D 03:31:25 <Tefad> playing now 03:31:26 <Tefad> woo 03:32:02 <Tefad> needs a bit of practice, but he's a cool guy : D 03:36:43 *** Nitehawk [~nitehawk@c-98-200-106-108.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:41:06 <Eddi|zuHause3> UFO64: www.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/Johannes%20Transport,%204.%20Jun%201965.png <- an old station of mine with separated entrances 03:42:00 <Gonozal_VIII> one of your escher stations again^^ 03:42:45 <Eddi|zuHause3> "again"? 03:43:21 <Gonozal_VIII> :-) 03:43:32 <Eddi|zuHause3> man, 3 tile stations look much tinier than 10 years ago... 03:45:02 <Eddi|zuHause3> that was the first situation when i said "i could reall use flexible brige ramps here" 03:45:56 <Eddi|zuHause3> i think that was my first openttd game 03:46:06 <Eddi|zuHause3> that was long before i ever came here 03:46:20 <Eddi|zuHause3> i don't remember which version it was, though 03:47:57 *** Nitehawk [~nitehawk@c-98-200-106-108.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 03:48:22 <Eddi|zuHause3> i wouldn't ever build like that anymore 04:11:49 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N931P020.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:12:29 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N944P028.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 04:59:38 *** Phoenix_the_II [rdeboom@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:59:47 *** Phoenix_the_II [rdeboom@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 05:03:49 *** neli [micha@h8441250184.dsl.speedlinq.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:06:20 *** Christoph [~lekro@S01060014513484ae.ss.shawcable.net] has quit [Quit: cu] 05:06:29 *** Jortuny [~octernion@r253186120.resnet.cornell.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:11:19 <UFO64> Thatnks for th example 05:12:02 <UFO64> I'm gonna keep working at it. I'd like to ha ve a better queing system overall for it. Allowing every train to each every loading area while being able to load them at the same time 05:12:09 <UFO64> Take care al 05:12:11 <UFO64> all* 05:12:13 *** UFO64 [~UFO64@brodeurmb2.umeres.maine.edu] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:16:21 *** gfldex_ [~dex@dslb-088-074-152-179.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 05:18:13 *** gfldex [~dex@dslb-088-074-128-102.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:37:05 *** helb [~helb@62.240.176.23] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:06:39 *** Ridayah [~ridayah@137.81.113.87] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:20:48 *** Phoenix_the_II [rdeboom@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:20:53 *** Phoenix_the_II [rdeboom@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 06:22:16 *** cgirl29 [~cgirl29@ANantes-257-1-66-106.w90-25.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 06:23:38 *** HerzogDeXtE1 [~Flex@i577B693C.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 06:24:12 *** cgirl29 [~cgirl29@ANantes-257-1-66-106.w90-25.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [] 06:30:42 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i577B76D7.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:32:16 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB79D5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 06:38:52 *** Osai^zZz [~Osai@pD9EB46D7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:48:52 *** DJ-Nekkid [~DJNekkid@static128-249.adsl.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:59:02 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-226-5-141.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 07:00:48 *** keyweed [~Dennis@home.keyweed.com] has joined #openttd 07:02:59 *** neli [micha@h8441250184.dsl.speedlinq.nl] has joined #openttd 07:07:37 *** keyweed_ [~Dennis@home.keyweed.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:13:47 *** clara30 [~clara30@ANantes-257-1-66-106.w90-25.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 07:15:41 *** clara30 [~clara30@ANantes-257-1-66-106.w90-25.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [] 07:16:07 *** peter1138 [~petern@217.151.109.242] has joined #openttd 07:16:11 *** mode/#openttd [+o peter1138] by ChanServ 07:38:25 *** Ridayah [~ridayah@137.81.113.87] has joined #openttd 07:45:34 *** shodan [user@xerxes.foocode.net] has joined #openttd 08:15:04 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 08:28:27 *** Ridayah [~ridayah@137.81.113.87] has quit [Quit: The Rise and Fall of the Heavens themselves is dependant upon Humanity's belief and disbelief.] 08:42:28 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@xdsl-84-44-227-236.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 08:46:36 *** peter1138 [~petern@217.151.109.242] has quit [Quit: bwaaahahaha, te eeeh eeehee boingk!] 08:53:17 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-88-79.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Quit: The ending changes tone & is actually quite sad - but it involves a scene of necrophilia, so that's just another plus in my book.....] 08:57:47 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@xdsl-84-44-227-236.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:01:58 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-88-79.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 09:02:39 *** peter1138 [~petern@petern.bnsnet.co.uk] has joined #openttd 09:02:40 *** mode/#openttd [+o peter1138] by ChanServ 09:03:31 *** mikl [~mikl@0x5733cec6.boanxx22.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 09:11:32 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 09:12:58 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B81C57.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:14:47 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B8175C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 09:14:47 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 09:21:10 *** zeroc [~rs@83.149.52.18] has joined #openttd 09:23:25 <zeroc> âñåì ïðÚâåò ÿ Úç ðîññÚÚ !!! ÿ òóò ïåðâûé ðà ç )) õî÷ó Ãà éòÚ ÀåâóÞêó ñåáå Úç Àðóãîé ñòðà Ãû )) 09:23:25 <zeroc> All greetings I from Russia!!! I here first time)) wish to find the girl to myself from other country)) 09:23:26 <zeroc> Badly I do not know your language translate through the program 09:23:28 <zeroc> && 09:23:57 <ln-> use UTF-8. 09:24:23 <zeroc> Why everyone are silent 09:24:27 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:24:51 <zeroc> ln- » ?? 09:24:57 <zeroc> ÃÃ¥ ïîÃÿë 09:25:39 <zeroc> Why everyone are silent Why everyone are silent 09:26:02 <ln-> you only arrived 2 minutes ago. 09:26:16 *** Zavior [~zavior@d195-237-7-167.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 09:26:26 <zeroc> The coding should be replaced to me yes?? 09:26:54 <ln-> da. 09:28:00 <peter1138> :o 09:28:11 <peter1138> Even then, not many of us here will understand it ;) 09:28:16 *** Gekz [~brendan@CPE-58-167-79-173.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 09:28:35 <zeroc> ln- » ooo!! very good 09:28:35 <zeroc> I from Russia let's talk 09:28:44 <zeroc> ln- » You are class Russian knows?? 09:29:12 <peter1138> Do you... wish to find the girl to yourself from other country, or wish to talk about TTD-related subjects? 09:30:32 <ln-> or find a TTD-playing girl here? 09:30:45 <zeroc> I rich also search to myself for the wife not from Russia to me 20 years 09:30:58 <ln-> this can get entertaining... 09:31:35 <zeroc> I ñîîáÞåÃÚÿ to you are clear? The coding normal I through the program translate 09:33:37 *** Morloth [~bram@53542231.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 09:35:42 *** xerxes [user@xerxes.foocode.net] has joined #openttd 09:35:56 *** shodan [user@xerxes.foocode.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:35:59 *** xerxes is now known as shodan 09:36:23 <Morloth> Good morning everyone :) 09:38:22 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F55A04.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 09:38:41 <ln-> zeroc: do you know what is OpenTTD? 09:40:39 <peter1138> 'is' goes after 'OpenTTD' 09:42:17 <ln-> damn, you're right. 09:44:17 *** zeroc [~rs@83.149.52.18] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:45:37 <mikl> Syntax error, unexpected noun 'OpenTTD' in line 1 ;) 09:47:03 *** Dark_Link^ [~glidegame@fw.dormnet.his.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:47:21 <mikl> expected adjective ;) 10:02:10 <keyweed> use nostrict; 10:11:14 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm50.epsilon124.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 10:21:20 <Morloth> Is there btw an easy way to replace, say, all vehicles older then 13 years? I now have to find them all by hand and replace then manually, there must be a better way right? 10:22:51 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has joined #openttd 10:28:21 <Ammler> morning all, is beta new name for monthly? ;-) 10:39:09 <SmatZ> hello Ammler :) it is a coincidence ;) 10:39:28 <SmatZ> wow, 3 months since beta1 10:39:39 <Ammler> yeah, every month one more 10:40:51 <Ammler> what is the main missing feature for final? 10:40:56 <Ammler> plane speed? 10:41:14 <Ammler> or rivers for running game? 10:41:47 <SmatZ> plane speed for sure, and bug fixes 10:43:14 <Ammler> well bug fixes could also be made with RCs 10:44:03 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@ip-62-143-77-44.1311A-CUD12K-02.ish.de] has joined #openttd 10:44:16 <peter1138> plane speed indeed... 10:44:28 <Ammler> the rivers? 10:44:44 <peter1138> Are only available in the scenario editor... 10:45:01 <Ammler> but that will change, or is that wanted that way? 10:45:24 <Gonozal_VIII> nobody coded automatic river generation yet 10:45:31 <SmatZ> :-) 10:45:43 <Gonozal_VIII> but i don't think they should be buildable by players... 10:45:55 <SmatZ> you can build locks and canals... 10:46:02 <Gonozal_VIII> yes 10:46:25 <Gonozal_VIII> that's what people do... but nobody builds rivers... 10:46:30 <SmatZ> :-) 10:47:09 <peter1138> Ideally rivers should created automatically and be immutable, but that makes no sense when you can raise and flatten mountains... 10:47:22 * SmatZ thinks should be non-bulldozable 10:47:26 <SmatZ> *rivers 10:48:37 *** Born_Acorn [~bornacorn@81.171.98.107] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:48:37 *** orudge [~orudge@owenrudge.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:51:09 <Noldo> just make springs and floodfill from there :) 10:51:35 <Gonozal_VIII> lively rivers! 10:53:54 <Ammler> its no problem to switch so scenario editor in single player mode 10:54:09 <Ammler> but we mostly play MP 10:54:57 <Gonozal_VIII> look in the wiki for lively rivers 10:54:58 <Ammler> I think. it doesn't hurt, if you can build rivers in running mode 10:55:39 *** shodan [user@xerxes.foocode.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:55:56 <Noldo> are the river tiles just like canal tiles but different graphics? 10:58:28 <Gonozal_VIII> sloped tiles can't be passed by ships 10:58:34 <Forked> meep meep 10:58:44 <Gonozal_VIII> hi forked 10:58:47 <Forked> heya :) 11:00:32 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r12188 /trunk/src/train_cmd.cpp: -Codechange [FS#1782]: do not check twice for correct rail owner (patch by Vikthor) 11:02:38 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CFFD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:05:35 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:06:03 <SpComb> http://qmsk.srv.myottd.net/~terom/stuff/openttd_IPv6.png <-- broadcast works \o/ 11:06:29 <Noldo> 404 - Not Found 11:06:38 <SpComb> hmm 11:06:40 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm50.epsilon124.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:06:55 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 11:07:16 <SpComb> http://qmsk.srv.myottd.net/~terom/openttd/openttd_IPv6.png 11:07:49 <SmatZ> good 11:08:25 <peter1138> :D 11:08:36 <Gekz> ipv6 ottd. 11:08:39 <Gekz> that's a milestone 11:08:44 <SpComb> the server just gets listed twice because it gets both the IPv4 and IPv6 broadcast reply 11:08:47 <peter1138> we need to change the network protocol to handle ipv4 & ipv6 together :o 11:08:53 <SpComb> yeah, the masterserver's next 11:09:22 <SpComb> well, specifically, after lunch and four hours of lectures, for I must remember that I need to study as well :< 11:09:32 <peter1138> No, now! 11:09:50 *** DJGummikuh [~joey@ip3198.saw.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #openttd 11:09:50 <peter1138> What OS is that? 11:09:53 <DJGummikuh> -Fix: Enable YAPF to start searching inside a wormhole [FS#1704] (r12056) 11:09:55 <DJGummikuh> wtf? 11:10:06 *** Andel [~andel@owenrudge.net] has joined #openttd 11:10:09 *** Born_Acorn [~bornacorn@81.171.98.107] has joined #openttd 11:10:11 <SpComb> http://misc.marttila.de/wiki/OpenTTD_IPv6 <-- the code's avilable there, in case someone wants to review it/give feedback on it, it probably needs a fair amount of work/#ifdefs to be usable in trunk 11:10:21 <SpComb> linux, ubuntu 7.10, amd64 11:10:45 <peter1138> Then what's the theme? ;) 11:11:03 <DJGummikuh> what is a "wormhole" in your terminology? 11:11:11 <SpComb> xgl/compiz/emerald 11:11:13 <peter1138> DJGummikuh, portal 11:11:21 <DJGummikuh> and what is that? 11:11:21 <Gonozal_VIII> tunnels and bridges 11:11:25 <DJGummikuh> ah ok 11:11:37 *** shodan [user@xerxes.foocode.net] has joined #openttd 11:11:43 <DJGummikuh> I just wondered what cool extensions yo were planning for openttd ^^ 11:11:51 <DJGummikuh> Stargates and such :)) 11:12:10 *** orudge [~orudge@owenrudge.net] has joined #openttd 11:12:21 <keyweed> teleporters would take the fun out of it, i think 11:12:21 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@ip-62-143-77-44.1311A-CUD12K-02.ish.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:12:54 <DJGummikuh> keyweed: it's all a matter of implementation :) I would love to teleport some players on my server to another world or dimension :) 11:13:38 <SmatZ> DJGummikuh: you can use "kick" 11:13:49 <DJGummikuh> now where's the fun in that? :) 11:14:04 <SmatZ> :-D 11:14:19 <SmatZ> you will teleport them out of your server 11:14:28 <DJGummikuh> yeah and onto someone's else 11:14:30 <peter1138> SpComb, hmm, hardy doesn't seem to support that very well :( 11:14:42 <SpComb> emerald? 11:14:47 <peter1138> Yeah 11:15:03 <SpComb> I need to change it or something, though, because compiz doesn't support dual monitors very well 11:15:22 <SpComb> no windowsnap on the monitor boundary, and maximzed windows span both monitors, which is very annoying 11:15:33 <SpComb> particularly with websites that insist on resizing your browser window 11:15:44 <peter1138> Seems to work for me, using nvidia's implementation... 11:15:58 <keyweed> kill the webdesigners. websites should never resize browsers. 11:16:04 <SpComb> windowsnap on monitor edges with compiz? 11:16:23 <peter1138> Yeah 11:16:31 <SpComb> hmm... need to look into that then 11:17:21 <peter1138> My panel's don't work :( 11:17:27 <peter1138> No menu is shown 11:17:36 * Fujitsu puts on his Ubuntu dev hat. 11:17:48 <Fujitsu> peter1138: Do you have panels at all? 11:17:56 <peter1138> ... yes 11:19:20 <peter1138> Ok, it's emerald doing that 11:19:25 <peter1138> oh 11:26:31 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 11:28:34 * SpComb wonder how many people who play OpenTTD have IPv6 connectivity 11:30:13 *** Born_Acorn [~bornacorn@81.171.98.107] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:30:13 *** Andel [~andel@owenrudge.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:30:13 *** orudge [~orudge@owenrudge.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:30:41 <SpComb> well, they don't even hazve IPv4 connectivity ^^ 11:35:39 <Noldo> :) 11:38:07 <peter1138> I did, but then BT stopped their tunnel service :o 11:41:01 <SpComb> what kind of tunnel was it? 11:45:05 *** orudge [~orudge@owenrudge.net] has joined #openttd 11:47:20 <peter1138> A regular IPv6 over IPv4 tunnel... 11:48:48 <SpComb> there's several different kinds 11:50:06 *** Andel [~andel@owenrudge.net] has joined #openttd 11:50:07 *** Born_Acorn [~bornacorn@81.171.98.107] has joined #openttd 12:05:42 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-226-5-141.adslplus.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:07:48 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r12189 /trunk/src/train_cmd.cpp: -Codechange: mark some functions in train_cmd.cpp inline (called once or very short) 12:08:41 *** Osai is now known as Osai^work 12:09:07 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: Always remember you're unique, just like everyone else.] 12:12:28 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N944P028.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:14:29 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N928P024.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 12:17:00 *** Aerandir [magic.powe@90-230-201-111-no37.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Quit: - nbs-irc 2.36 - www.nbs-irc.net -] 12:24:27 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:24:37 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-226-5-141.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 12:27:43 *** Zavior [~zavior@d195-237-7-167.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:27:44 *** Zaviori [~zavior@d195-237-7-167.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 12:28:32 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@ip-62-143-77-44.1311A-CUD12K-02.ish.de] has joined #openttd 12:31:44 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r12190 /trunk/src/yapf/yapf_base.hpp: -Fix [FS#1786](r8080): YAPF always shows 0ms PF time in debug for debug level 2 (patch by IguannaB) 12:34:00 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 12:34:22 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [] 12:34:33 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 12:39:32 *** shodan [user@xerxes.foocode.net] has quit [Quit: Client Exiting] 12:42:55 *** novotv6_ [~novotv6@pc404-52.feld.cvut.cz] has joined #openttd 12:49:32 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@ip-62-143-77-44.1311A-CUD12K-02.ish.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:55:35 *** HerzogDeXtE1 [~Flex@i577B693C.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:55:44 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i577B693C.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 12:58:47 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i577B693C.versanet.de] has quit [] 12:58:53 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i577B693C.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 12:58:56 *** Aerandir [magic.powe@90-230-201-111-no37.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 13:03:21 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@ip-62-143-77-44.1311A-CUD12K-02.ish.de] has joined #openttd 13:12:29 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F55A04.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 13:12:53 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F55A04.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 13:17:33 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 13:22:28 *** Jortuny [~octernion@r253186120.resnet.cornell.edu] has joined #openttd 13:23:07 *** frosch123 [~mtce@pascal.math.tu-clausthal.de] has joined #openttd 13:24:48 *** novotv6_ [~novotv6@pc404-52.feld.cvut.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:24:53 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@ip-62-143-77-44.1311A-CUD12K-02.ish.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:37:37 *** mode/#openttd [+o orudge] by ChanServ 13:40:11 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 13:40:14 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:42:28 *** brazuca [~chatzilla@5ac6091e.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 13:42:37 <brazuca> hi guys 13:42:42 *** HerzogDeXtE1 [~Flex@i577B693C.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 13:42:45 <Morloth> Hi brazuca 13:43:05 <brazuca> i trying to create my own server dedicated but im struggling 13:43:05 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-165-110.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: ThePizzaKing] 13:45:23 <brazuca> anyone could help me? 13:45:48 <Morloth> I've never done such a thing before, I'm sorry 13:47:17 <brazuca> k tks 13:47:27 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i577B693C.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:51:25 *** DJ-Nekkid [~DJNekkid@gprs-ggsn6-nat.mobil.telenor.no] has joined #openttd 13:51:57 <DJ-Nekkid> !seen thgergo 13:54:20 <Eddi|zuHause3> <Morloth> Is there btw an easy way to replace, say, all vehicles older then 13 years? I now have to find them all by hand and replace then manually, there must be a better way right? <- you can move these vehicles to a vehiclegroup, and then autoreplace only in that group 13:54:28 *** fjb [~frank@p5485C7F0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:54:32 <fjb> Hello 13:55:44 <frosch123> moin 13:56:36 <fjb> Moin frosch123 13:58:05 *** brazuca [~chatzilla@5ac6091e.bb.sky.com] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.80 [Firefox 2.0.0.12/2008020121]] 14:02:06 <Morloth> Eddi|zuHause3: K, thanks. I'll try that :) 14:08:07 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: frosch * r12191 /trunk/src/roadveh_cmd.cpp: -Fix: Do not start overtaking if the RV reaches wrong-way one-way-road in the next tiles. 14:08:24 *** eQualizer [~lauri@dyn15-194.dsl.spy.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:16:55 *** eQualizer [~lauri@dyn15-194.dsl.spy.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 14:24:40 *** yorick [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 14:26:03 <debian__> How can I move something from an train to an ship? 14:26:40 <Gonozal_VIII> transfer 14:26:57 <glx> with joined dock and station 14:28:27 <Eddi|zuHause3> "transfer and unload" 14:29:08 <Gonozal_VIII> unload alone is enough if the station doesn't accept that stuff 14:29:34 <Gonozal_VIII> but using transfer is safer, if a new industry happens to pop up right there... 14:30:04 <glx> Gonozal_VIII: transfer is needed if you don't want to lose money 14:30:30 <Gonozal_VIII> really? but the result looks the same with unload 14:31:05 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r12192 /trunk/src/ (core/math_func.hpp newgrf_town.cpp): -Fix: clamp various town variables to 16bit prior to returning the value 14:31:41 <glx> yes, but the unloader vehicle is always in red 14:32:10 <glx> and that's bad for the score 14:32:28 <Gonozal_VIII> i don't care about score^^ 14:34:50 <Belugas> mmmh... 14:35:11 <Belugas> m2 for bridges is already in part used... 14:36:06 *** Greysc[a]le is now known as Greyscale 14:36:23 *** Greyscale is now known as Greysc[a]le 14:38:59 <Gonozal_VIII> http://gonozalviii.go.funpic.de/OpenTTD/terrain.png <-- that could free bits ;-) 14:39:17 <Morloth> Does someone knows how the running costs are calculated internly? 14:39:39 <Morloth> I have no idea what Vehicle.GetRunningCost() returns 14:40:08 <Morloth> I see the actual cost is calculated by dont a 8 bit shifts !? 14:40:11 <Morloth> *doing 14:40:55 <Gonozal_VIII> that's not the calculation, that's some strange bitmagic 14:41:53 *** brazuca [~chatzilla@5ac6091e.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 14:42:03 <Morloth> Money GetDisplayRunningCost() const { return (this->GetRunningCost() >> 8); << Don't think so ;) 14:42:28 <Gonozal_VIII> look at getrunningcost :P 14:42:29 <brazuca> could any of you guys do me a favor 14:42:29 <Eddi|zuHause3> Morloth: replace these shifts by multiplications/divisions 14:42:39 <Eddi|zuHause3> >> 8 is the same as /256 14:42:51 <Morloth> Eddi|zuHause3: I know how bitshifts work :) 14:42:57 <glx> and it's just for display 14:43:07 <Morloth> Eddi|zuHause3: I just wonder how I can calculate the running cost per year for a vehicle 14:43:13 <brazuca> could you check if !![HARDCORE].BRAZUCA is in the server list 14:43:15 <glx> there is a fract part 14:43:21 <brazuca> if it is available 14:43:28 <glx> brazuca: servers.openttd.org 14:43:42 <glx> if you see it there, it's ok 14:44:23 <brazuca> it is... tks 14:44:32 <brazuca> cya 14:44:43 *** brazuca [~chatzilla@5ac6091e.bb.sky.com] has left #openttd [] 14:45:35 *** Trond [~Trond@ti131310a080-0185.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 14:45:37 <Morloth> Balogh Armored Truck Running cost: 108090 and max age: 5490 << I get these values. max age is OK it's calculated in years. But the I can't trace back the value 108090. The running cost / year is displayed as: 844 14:45:48 <Morloth> 108090 >> 8 = 422 14:45:52 <Belugas> a good question for anyone playing MP : on a 2048*2048 map, at game's end, how many bridges, any bridges, do tyou think there should be, at the most 14:46:08 <Morloth> But I don't see the *2 anywhere in the code ? 14:46:20 <saati> Belugas: few thousand 14:46:41 <SmatZ> Morloth: do you use Pounds? 14:46:52 <Morloth> SmatZ: yes? 14:47:16 <SmatZ> Morloth: yes? 14:47:37 <Morloth> Don't tell me all values are mulitplied by 2 if you use pounds? :) 14:47:43 <SmatZ> no :) 14:47:46 <Eddi|zuHause3> Belugas: bridge usage should increase if flexible bridges are introduced 14:48:05 <Belugas> not the answer i wanted to hear 14:48:08 <Morloth> Oh, in fact I use Euros 14:48:11 <SmatZ> Morloth: Pounds are the base - if you use Euros, you will have prices multiplied by two 14:48:17 <Morloth> Ah... 14:48:51 <Belugas> a few thousands... that's the best estimate so far 14:49:17 *** Trond [~Trond@ti131310a080-0185.bb.online.no] has quit [] 14:49:17 <Morloth> I had something similar with speeds, but I guess that's the same convertion problem miles <-> km ? 14:49:31 <debian__> Autorenew failed on train 13(money limit), why? 14:49:42 <Gonozal_VIII> what do you think? 14:50:43 <Eddi|zuHause3> on my practically empty 2kx1k map, i estimate around 200 existing bridges 14:50:51 <SmatZ> Morloth: probably :) but maybe the base for RVs is multiplied by 2 ... or so... I don't know 14:51:02 <Gonozal_VIII> what you should think is that the autorenew failed because of the money limit ;-) 14:51:13 <Belugas> where is dihedral when you need him :S 14:51:29 <Belugas> Any server admins in here?? 14:51:35 <Morloth> SmatZ: It is ;) 14:51:50 <Gonozal_VIII> coop guys are extreme.. look at one of their finished maps 14:52:36 <Belugas> Gonozal_VIII, yuo're familiar with them? 14:52:58 <Gonozal_VIII> looked at one of them some time ago 14:53:33 <Gonozal_VIII> anyways.. limits are bad 14:53:35 <Belugas> answer is thus "no" :) 14:54:06 <Belugas> limits are bad, true. but no-limit stuff has a price to pay too 14:54:24 <Belugas> so, it is a matter of balancing the pros and the cons to come up to a good compromise 14:54:41 <Gonozal_VIII> allocate the same size again when the first is full :-) 14:54:52 <Eddi|zuHause3> 640k ought to be enough for anyone? 14:55:49 <Eddi|zuHause3> or why not specify the limit in the .cfg, like for vehicles? 14:56:27 <glx> .cfg is the soft limit, there are still a hard limit for vehicles 14:56:37 <glx> s/are/is/ 14:56:45 *** helb [~helb@62.240.176.23] has joined #openttd 14:57:02 <DJ-Nekkid> Belugas: u might wanna check out opencoop game #80 ... that were a 1k^2 map... 14:57:13 <DJ-Nekkid> count them and multiply by 4 or 5 :) 14:58:03 <Eddi|zuHause3> then i vote for a limit like 64k 14:58:09 <Belugas> spot me one with the most bridges on it, if you can 14:58:15 <Eddi|zuHause3> afaik it's the same as for the vehicles 14:58:30 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm50.epsilon124.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 14:58:46 <SpComb> Linking ottd_master 14:58:46 <SpComb> shared/network/core/udp.o: In function `NetworkUDPSocketHandler::Recv_NetworkGameInfo(Packet*, NetworkGameInfo*)': 14:58:46 <SpComb> udp.cpp:(.text+0x6d3): undefined reference to `MallocError(unsigned long)' 14:58:49 <DJ-Nekkid> not sure if that one has the most bridges, but it's the largest opencoop game so far afaik 14:58:50 <Eddi|zuHause3> my bridges usually appear in pairs 14:58:51 <SpComb> it's broken! It doesn't work! 14:58:57 <Belugas> Eddi|zuHause3, that's the point of my query. I want tio be sure 64k will be enough 14:59:05 <debian__> Gonozal_VIII: What money limit? And in beta 4 the popups that tell ho. much an train have lost is wrong. 14:59:12 <debian__> how* 14:59:17 <SpComb> and that's the unmodified svn://svn.openttd.org/extras/masterserver_updater/ source 14:59:46 <Gonozal_VIII> oh... so those wrong profit messages are not the fault of my patchpack 15:00:00 <Eddi|zuHause3> well, i can't see me reaching that limit, but i don't play MP 15:00:19 <DJ-Nekkid> Belugas: 64000 bridges? 15:00:33 <Belugas> roughly, yes 15:00:46 <Gonozal_VIII> you should take some time to read and test all the patch settings debian 15:01:01 *** mikl [~mikl@0x5733cec6.boanxx22.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 15:01:06 <Belugas> 65535, to be precise 15:01:10 <peter1138> Belugas, you can always divide that into map areas... 15:01:15 <DJ-Nekkid> unless u make HUGE maps available (16kx16k or even bigger) any time soon that should be sufficient... 15:01:17 <glx> SpComb: really? 15:01:31 <SpComb> yes 15:01:35 <glx> bad 15:01:40 <DJ-Nekkid> http://www.openttdcoop.org/blog/files/publicserver_archive/PublicServerGame_80_Final.sav <-- opencoop game 80 15:01:59 <Gonozal_VIII> if you want to be on the safe side... 2^21 is the absolute limit 15:02:21 <debian__> How many can play an mulitplayer game? 15:02:22 <SpComb> http://pb.paivola.fi/494 15:02:32 <Gonozal_VIII> that's a 2'2k map completely covered in minimum size bridges 15:03:09 <DJ-Nekkid> debian__: 11 (or is that 12) atm, a patch have made it to 55 (or prolly 55 and 8 spectators plus the server) 15:03:24 <Eddi|zuHause3> SpComb: afaik it links to some code from the openttd source, have you included that? 15:03:32 <glx> SpComb: oh it's the same error we had with strgen 15:03:33 <SpComb> well, the externals, yes 15:03:54 <SpComb> MallocError is in src/core/alloc_func.{h,c}pp 15:04:20 <SpComb> but there's no core anything in objs/release/shared/ 15:04:44 <glx> I have core in shared 15:04:59 <glx> but source.list may need updating :) 15:05:12 <SpComb> http://pb.paivola.fi/495 15:05:26 <debian__> So only 12 players? 15:05:35 <SpComb> indeed, source.list doesn't include the core dir 15:05:57 <glx> shared/network/core/core.cpp 15:05:58 <glx> shared/network/core/packet.cpp 15:05:58 <glx> shared/network/core/udp.cpp 15:06:06 <glx> it does but only for some files 15:06:08 * SmatZ is sure he put core/alloc_func.cpp into source.list 15:06:21 <debian__> DJ-Nekkid: Where do I find that patch? Do I need an induvidual server? 15:06:26 <glx> SmatZ: not in updater :) 15:06:35 <SpComb> added them in and it works 15:06:42 <SmatZ> :-x 15:07:04 <SpComb> http://pb.paivola.fi/496 <-- have a diff 15:07:38 <glx> thanks (I can't compile it, don't have mysql dev stuff) 15:08:05 <Belugas> 741K ? There musst be something wrong... 15:08:07 <glx> are all files needed? 15:09:48 <glx> SpComb: only alloc_func.cpp is needed I think 15:10:46 *** DJ-Nekk|d [~DJNekkid@gprs-ggsn6-nat.mobil.telenor.no] has joined #openttd 15:13:56 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: frosch * r12193 /trunk/src/ (5 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: Rename a magic variable, give it a decent type, and remove a 'goto'. 15:14:28 *** DJ-Nekkid [~DJNekkid@gprs-ggsn6-nat.mobil.telenor.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:14:37 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 15:15:17 <glx> SpComb: can you try with only alloc_func.cpp ? 15:17:57 *** divo [~asd@0x4dd443c6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 15:18:08 <Morloth> Hmmz... I think there is an error in AIEngine->GetMaxSpeed. For trains it gives the correct values, for boats and vehicles the double value and for aircraft it's 2 km/h off the mark... 15:18:30 *** Greysc[a]le is now known as Greyscale 15:18:32 *** LordAzamath [~LordAzama@pc122.host21.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 15:18:37 <LordAzamath> hello 15:18:46 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r12194 /trunk/src/ (train.h train_cmd.cpp): -Codechange: apply coding style on enum TrainSubtype 15:19:40 <Eddi|zuHause3> debian__: you do not want that patch 15:21:43 <debian__> Eddi|zuHause3: Why not? 15:21:52 <Eddi|zuHause3> trust me... 15:22:02 <debian__> I'm going to an lan, so I need to be able to play with a lot of people... 15:25:08 <Eddi|zuHause3> the limit is 11 players in 8 companies, you'll have to live with that 15:25:42 <LordAzamath> what patch? 15:28:29 <Morloth> Can someone explain these differences? 15:28:37 <Morloth> aircraft.h: int GetDisplayMaxSpeed() const { return this->max_speed * 10 / 16; } 15:28:43 <Morloth> roadveh.h: int GetDisplayMaxSpeed() const { return this->max_speed * 10 / 32; } 15:28:48 <Morloth> ship.h: int GetDisplayMaxSpeed() const { return this->max_speed * 10 / 32; } 15:28:54 <Morloth> train.h: int GetDisplayMaxSpeed() const { return this->u.rail.cached_max_speed * 10 / 16; } 15:29:41 <Morloth> If I call AIEngine.GetMaxSpeed, I have to devide the value by 2 for road vehicles and ships. Think it's related to these calculations 15:30:12 <Morloth> I can understand that 10 / 16 is the transformation from km -> miles, but I don't understand what's up with 10 / 32 15:30:47 <debian__> Eddi|zuHause3: So some players have to be in the same companies? 15:31:21 <glx> Morloth: internal speed don't use the same scale for all vehicle types 15:31:55 <glx> and 1/32 = 1/16/2 15:32:18 <Morloth> no its 1/ 16 * 2 ;) 15:32:25 <Morloth> of 1 / (16 * 2 ) 15:32:36 <glx> (1/16)/2 :) 15:32:44 <Morloth> :P 15:34:06 <Morloth> ok, in that case there is an error in AIEngine 15:34:26 * Morloth puts his white gloves on and goes fixing :) 15:39:18 <Morloth> glx: Should I post patches at http://bugs.openttd.org/task/1785? Or open a new task for them. I'm asking because the fixed I did are depended on the make_static patch 15:39:34 <glx> just show the diff here :) 15:39:34 <Eddi|zuHause3> arithmetic operators are left associative 15:39:41 <Eddi|zuHause3> so 1/16*2 is wrong 15:39:56 <glx> yes 1/16/2 was right :) 15:40:53 <Morloth> Eddi|zuHause3: I corrected myself! :P 15:42:31 <Ammler> fjb: around? 15:42:41 <fjb> Me? 15:42:48 <Gonozal_VIII> no the other fjb 15:42:54 <fjb> Ah, ok. 15:43:04 <Ammler> yeah, you seems a little bit experienced with using ECS 15:43:12 <fjb> A bit. 15:43:20 <Ammler> I am packing a new coop pack 15:43:40 <Ammler> what do I need to know about ECS, about orders to other GRFs 15:43:55 <Morloth> diff -x .svn -r /home/bram/src_now/ai/api/ai_engine.cpp src/ai/api/ai_engine.cpp 15:43:56 <Morloth> 103c103 15:43:56 <Morloth> < return vi->max_speed; 15:43:56 <Morloth> --- 15:43:56 <Morloth> > return vi->max_speed / 2; // Internal speed representation is in km/h * 2 15:43:56 <Ammler> I know, that ECS self needs to be like the IDs 15:43:57 <Morloth> 113c113 15:43:57 <Morloth> < return vi->max_speed; 15:43:59 <Morloth> --- 15:43:59 <Morloth> > return vi->max_speed / 2; // Internal speed representation is in km/h * 2 15:44:10 <Ammler> Morloth: paste.openttd.org 15:44:13 <Morloth> Oh... :P 15:44:19 <Eddi|zuHause3> Morloth: pa... what he said 15:44:20 <fjb> Put the ECS grfs first, every other grf later. Put them before any town or vehicle grf. 15:44:41 <Morloth> http://paste.openttd.org/618 15:44:49 <Ammler> but after landscape or doesn't that matter? 15:45:06 <fjb> And order the ECS grfs according their grf id. But I guess you knew that. 15:45:15 <Eddi|zuHause3> Morloth: try "diff -u" 15:45:21 <fjb> Landscape doesn't matter. 15:45:43 <Ammler> ok, we have it after TTRS now, I need to fix that 15:45:51 <glx> Morloth: or just svn diff ;) 15:46:17 <fjb> TTRS will lose the tourists when it is before the ECS grfs. 15:46:33 <Ammler> fjb: no, TTRS is after, but the infrastructure GRF are before 15:46:54 <Ammler> I sorted the GRFs like GRFCrawler Categories 15:46:56 <Morloth> glx: Problem is that I have written several lines of code and try maintain like 3 different 'branches': The main branch, the branch with patches not yet in the main branch, and an other working copy :P 15:47:01 <Ammler> but backwards 15:47:25 <fjb> That is or. Landscape -> ECS -> TTRS -> Vehicles 15:47:29 <glx> Morloth: try using git or mercurial for your local developpement ;) 15:47:48 <Morloth> glx: Yeah... was thinking about something like that ;) 15:47:53 <Gonozal_VIII> action a stuff can be placed anywhere 15:47:56 *** raimar3 [~hawk@p5489E81F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:48:07 <Morloth> glx: or you could give me svn access ;) 15:48:20 <fjb> ECS has to be loaded before any other grfs that deals with new cargos. Stations also have to be loaded after ECS. 15:48:29 <Ammler> fjb: landscape - infrstructure - industries - buildings- stations -vehicles 15:48:42 <fjb> That sounds ok. 15:48:51 <Ammler> well, then I am lucky 15:48:58 <Ammler> :) 15:49:06 <Ammler> I don't need to change it then 15:49:41 <fjb> Newbridges should go after TTRS if you want to use them. And TTRS bridges have to be disabled then. Newbridges with parameter 2 gives TTRS road compatible bridges. 15:50:24 <Ammler> hmm, are you sure, I had problems with using newbridges after roadsets 15:50:36 <fjb> It you are using TTRS streets and DBset XL you should disable the road crossings of DBset XL. 15:50:50 <fjb> I'm sure. 15:51:32 <fjb> Enable the TTRS roads, but disable TTRS bridges. Load Newbridges after it and use parameter 2. 15:51:50 <peter1138> Yeah, DBSetXL has loads of options 15:52:08 <fjb> But they are easy to understand. 15:52:19 <Ammler> you can enable TTRS and bridges separate? 15:52:38 <Ammler> TTRS streets and bridges I meant.. 15:52:41 <fjb> TTRS road and bridges are separate. 15:53:17 <Ammler> http://users.skynet.be/florisjan/ttd/ttrs.html#pd 15:53:21 <Ammler> parameter 3 15:53:28 <peter1138> Morloth, btw, internal representation is not km/h 15:53:35 <fjb> http://users.skynet.be/florisjan/ttd/ttrs.html#pd 15:53:42 <fjb> Oh, you were faster. 15:53:48 <peter1138> As mph/km/h is 1.609, not 1.6... 15:53:59 <Ammler> set it to 1? 15:54:19 <Morloth> peter1138: I know, but I think the internal calculations are simplified 15:54:29 <peter1138> The TTDPatch people were pedantic enough to insist that it is not 1.6 :o 15:54:33 <Gonozal_VIII> the grf defines km/h, so km/h are right but mph are wrong 15:54:44 <peter1138> Gonozal_VIII, no, grf does not define km/h 15:54:51 <Gonozal_VIII> sure does 15:54:57 <SpComb> http://pb.paivola.fi/499 <-- what did I managed to break here? 15:55:10 <peter1138> Speed (09) 15:55:10 <peter1138> Train speed is in units of mph*1.6, i.e. approximately km/h. 15:55:10 <fjb> ttrs3w.GRF = 0 0 1 1 15:55:18 *** raimar2 [~hawk@p5489CAF5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:55:21 <peter1138> approximately... the specification states it is mph*1.6.. 15:55:22 <SpComb> network/core/core.h defines an enum with the same name that network/network_data.h typedefs to 15:55:49 <Gonozal_VIII> it's exactly km/h and the mph are wrong! because i say so! 15:55:58 <Morloth> I think Gonozal_VIII is right 15:56:05 <DaleStan> No, it's mph*1.56. Which is not kph. 15:56:14 <DaleStan> Erm... No, it's mph*1.6. Which is not kph. 15:56:16 <Gonozal_VIII> 1,6 15:56:18 <Morloth> the value of *VehInfo->max_sped is in km/h 15:56:31 <peter1138> no it's not 15:56:34 <Ammler> fjb: you should somewhere write down your experience with GRFs 15:56:52 <fjb> Hm, I should. 15:56:55 <Gonozal_VIII> but grf authors want it to be km/h 15:57:25 <Ammler> there are readmes for every single grf, but nothing for how to combine them 15:57:26 <DaleStan> No, they don't. They want it to be what it has been for years before OpenTTD was ever released. 15:57:29 <Morloth> If I compare the output of *VehInfo->max_speed with what I see on my screen in the vehicle info dialog it shows the same values in km/h 15:57:46 <Ammler> at least not much :) 15:57:57 <fjb> Ok, I'm back in about half an hour. 15:58:03 <peter1138> Morloth, not for high values it doesn't 15:58:08 <Gonozal_VIII> then mb wants his transrapid to have 502 km/h top speed? 15:58:39 <Morloth> peter1138: I noticed, the value for airplanes is 2 km/h off the mark as I remarked ^^ 15:58:50 <Gonozal_VIII> and lots of other vehicles that are slightly above rl values... 16:00:51 <Morloth> peter1138: But it could be that internally the value is translated from km/h -> mhp by * 10 / 16. And if the value needs to displayed in screen it is again translated but this time by the correct value from mph -> km/h 16:01:24 <Morloth> But that would be very messy programming =) 16:01:41 <Gonozal_VIII> it's integer calculation, lots of rounding involved 16:02:04 <Morloth> that too... 16:02:23 <Gonozal_VIII> 5/2=2 16:03:34 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm50.epsilon124.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [] 16:04:56 <DaleStan> If 502 is what MB coded, then 502 is what MB wanted. If he wanted 500, he could reduce the property by 2. 16:05:30 <Gonozal_VIII> some km/h values can't be reached 16:05:36 <DaleStan> Or maybe 3; there's got to be a few locations where an increase of one does not change the displayed speed. 16:06:49 <Gonozal_VIII> and it's 2, i changed it some time ago 16:06:58 <DaleStan> Which values? 16:07:11 <Gonozal_VIII> i think it was 200 16:07:24 <DaleStan> Oh, wait. Nevermind. that is the way it goes. 16:07:30 <Gonozal_VIII> goes directly from 199 to 201 16:07:51 <Gonozal_VIII> or something like that 16:07:57 <Gonozal_VIII> it was a multiple of 10 16:08:55 <peter1138> well, you are actually wrong. it was changed to be km/h internally once, but there were a load of complaints from grf authors so it was changed back... 16:09:32 <Gonozal_VIII> who complained? 16:10:24 <peter1138> can't remember off hand 16:10:30 <Gonozal_VIII> anyways... if they want to have mph, then why is it mph * 1,6? 16:10:40 <peter1138> and no doubt one of the complainants was DaleStan :D 16:11:27 <DaleStan> I don't think I said much. I do remember Pikka complaining that his trains were suddenly going the wrong speeds. 16:12:56 <Gonozal_VIII> mph or km/h would make sense... but a strange unit like mph*1,6? 16:14:27 *** DJ-Nekk|d [~DJNekkid@gprs-ggsn6-nat.mobil.telenor.no] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:15:24 <DaleStan> Because that is what the docs say. I seriously doubt patchman invented a new unit just to mess with us; I expect that's TTD 16:15:50 <DaleStan> 's internal value. (Maybe CS got lazy?) 16:16:11 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i577B693C.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 16:16:17 *** HerzogDeXtE1 [~Flex@i577B693C.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:16:27 <Gonozal_VIII> ah.. from ttd... didn't think of that 16:23:36 <Morloth> Date is such a tricky problem as well ;) 16:23:51 <Morloth> Some classes think a year has 366 days, others 365 :) 16:24:09 <Gonozal_VIII> 364 for running cost :-) 16:25:08 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r12195 /trunk/src/openttd.cpp: -Fix [FS#1787](r12100): there can be oil rigs at map borders, do not set water class for them 16:25:30 <Morloth> there you go :P 16:26:17 <SmatZ> I suppose it is because of rounding 16:26:18 *** Dark_Link^ [~glidegame@fw.dormnet.his.se] has joined #openttd 16:26:25 *** UFO64 [UFO64@john-michael-murray.um.maine.edu] has joined #openttd 16:26:54 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@062249182162.customer.alfanett.no] has quit [Quit: edgepro: A man who smiles when things go wrong knows who to blame.] 16:27:38 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: glx * r12196 /extra/masterserver_updater/source.list: [MSU] -Fix: compilation due to some changes in trunk 16:28:09 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@062249182162.customer.alfanett.no] has joined #openttd 16:31:56 *** mcbane [~Maui_key@p5498CD54.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:36:06 *** DJ-Nekkid [~DJNekkid@static128-249.adsl.no] has joined #openttd 16:52:10 <SpComb> http://pb.paivola.fi/500 <-- MySQL \o/ 16:56:34 <yorick> ? 16:56:50 <yorick> are you rewriting the master server or something? 16:57:16 *** Frostregen_ [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-103-010.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 17:01:55 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 17:02:37 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-111-234.fttx.bbned.nl] has joined #openttd 17:02:55 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-106-040.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:02:55 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 17:02:56 *** UFO64 [UFO64@john-michael-murray.um.maine.edu] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:03:34 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:07:11 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r12197 /trunk/src/ (8 files in 3 dirs): 17:07:11 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Fix [FS#1788](r12134): show correct last year profit when the train had negative income 17:07:11 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Codechange: use GetDisplayProfitThisYear() to convert vehicle profit to readable form 17:09:52 *** Morloth is now known as Morloth|Dancing 17:09:55 <Morloth|Dancing> cya later! 17:11:34 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A473D5.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:12:21 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r12198 /trunk/src/main_gui.cpp: -Fix [FS#1789]: "Transparent buildings" now only toggles buildings, so show tick when buildings are transparent. 17:13:37 <frosch123> bugs have a very short life today 17:17:50 <SmatZ> yeah 17:18:33 <SpComb> yorick: adding IPv6 support 17:18:48 <SpComb> hmm, MasterServer::GetServerListPacket's max_count doesn't seem to take the version byte into account 17:20:09 *** nzvip [~svip@192.38.109.188] has joined #openttd 17:20:16 <nzvip> :o 17:20:23 <nzvip> Anyone in here knows anything about threads? 17:21:28 <saati> you sew thing from them 17:21:39 <frosch123> general-, delphi- and java- thingies: yes 17:21:40 <nzvip> :P Not those threads! 17:21:42 <nzvip> Threads in C! 17:21:52 * frosch123 never used them in C 17:21:57 <nzvip> Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. 17:21:57 <nzvip> [Switching to Thread -1209721968 (LWP 10765)] 17:21:57 <nzvip> 0xb7fa4550 in pthread_mutex_lock () from /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libpthread.so.0 17:22:00 <saati> that depends on the platform 17:22:02 <nzvip> This error makes no sense to me! 17:22:13 <nzvip> Why will it segfault at mutex_lock()? 17:22:55 <frosch123> Do you have to allocate a mutex-class, -handle or something like that? 17:23:06 <nzvip> I have allocated that. 17:27:17 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 17:36:05 <toet> test 17:36:38 <toet> test 17:37:05 <peter1138> ... 17:37:50 <Gonozal_VIII> failed 17:41:57 *** yorick is now known as Yorick|AFK 17:49:28 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-88-79.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Quit: The ending changes tone & is actually quite sad - but it involves a scene of necrophilia, so that's just another plus in my book.....] 17:50:13 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: frosch * r12199 /trunk/src/ (30 files in 3 dirs): -Codechange: Remove magic around the results of GetTileTrackStatus(). 17:53:01 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-88-79.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 17:55:19 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-88-79.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [] 17:55:32 *** frosch123 [~mtce@pascal.math.tu-clausthal.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:56:48 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r12200 /trunk/src/ai/default/default.cpp: -Fix: force AI to build rail or road instead of bridges if possible, so it doesn't build bridges everywhere 17:57:38 <Belugas> SmatZ to the rescue of poor simple minded AI :D 17:57:48 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 17:57:51 <SmatZ> :-D 17:58:20 <Belugas> and Frostregen doing high intelligence exercises on trackbit stuff! 17:58:28 <Belugas> Frosch :S 17:58:33 <Belugas> not Frostregen 17:58:36 <Belugas> gaaaa 17:58:46 <SmatZ> lol 17:58:58 <SmatZ> yeah, it was really nice cleanup 18:01:16 <debian__> How do I bould aeroplanes? 18:01:32 <Gonozal_VIII> you already asked for trains and ships :P 18:01:40 <Gonozal_VIII> figure that one out on your own 18:01:49 <debian__> Found out 18:01:53 <Gonozal_VIII> see 18:02:01 <debian__> But witch one is the bombing plane? 18:02:07 <Gonozal_VIII> ^^ 18:02:15 <debian__> Please tell me 18:02:23 <debian__> My friend bombed my railroad 18:02:31 <Gonozal_VIII> hehehe 18:03:16 <debian__> Gonozal_VIII: How to bomb him back? 18:03:46 * LordAzamath just woke up 18:03:54 <Gonozal_VIII> sorry, couldn't type, laughing... 18:03:58 <LordAzamath> /and it's 8PM 18:04:00 <Gonozal_VIII> that wasn 18:04:03 <Gonozal_VIII> t him 18:04:15 <debian__> Who was it? 18:04:29 <debian__> And why did I get payd for it? 18:04:36 <Gonozal_VIII> an ufo has landed on your rails, random disaster 18:04:56 <Gonozal_VIII> you got money for that? 18:05:10 <debian__> Gonozal_VIII: Yes, and my railroad houses also dissapeared... 18:05:45 * LordAzamath wants to bomb his opponents' rail as often as possible 18:06:19 <debian__> I got payd for the railroad, not the houses... 18:07:06 *** Yorick|AFK is now known as Yorick 18:07:09 <Prof_Frink> debian__: Do you have a password on your company? 18:07:15 <debian__> Prof_Frink: Nope 18:07:23 <LordAzamath> check players list 18:07:27 <debian__> Where? 18:07:34 <Gonozal_VIII> guy with black hat 18:07:53 <LordAzamath> hold down the company manager button.. The first menu item 18:07:54 <debian__> No more than us now... 18:11:43 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-88-79.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 18:14:48 <debian__> How does shares work? 18:15:07 <debian__> Can I own the other company? Would my friend loose control of it then? 18:15:39 <debian__> !ping 18:15:49 <peter1138> no 18:16:11 <debian__> No I cant own it, or no he wont loose control? 18:16:53 <ln-> "lose" is spelled with one o. 18:17:31 <globester> unless it's loose controll 18:17:34 <globester> control :o 18:19:26 <Belugas> # Ground Control to Major Tom 18:20:09 <Gonozal_VIII> take your protein pills and put your helmet on 18:21:02 <Eddi|zuHause3> if you have loose control, you better fix it 18:21:10 <Belugas> # lift off 18:23:03 <LordAzamath> aaeeeaaaaeaea 18:23:34 *** LordAzamath [~LordAzama@pc122.host21.starman.ee] has left #openttd [Kopete 0.12.5 : http://kopete.kde.org] 18:23:54 <peter1138> # it's been a long long time 18:24:22 <peter1138> # hasn't it 18:24:36 <Gonozal_VIII> what's up with that # stuff? 18:24:37 <Eddi|zuHause3> # vööööllliiiig schweeherelooos 18:25:13 <Gonozal_VIII> peter euro 18:25:50 <peter1138> # i know a farmer who looks after the farm 18:26:02 <peter1138> # with water here he cares for his harvest 18:28:28 <debian__> # peter1138 ? 18:28:47 <peter1138> # bang bang bang! 18:28:56 <peter1138> # and they're giving me a wonderful potion 18:29:08 <peter1138> # cos i cannot contain my emotion 18:30:13 <Prof_Frink> [ ] :) 18:30:23 * Belugas cries... it's not available on my system :( 18:30:23 <Prof_Frink> I cannot contain my emoticon. 18:30:26 <debian__> I want to win this game, what is hidden in the source code? 18:30:42 <Prof_Frink> The secret of eternal youth. 18:30:47 <Gonozal_VIII> the hidden secret is that you can't win 18:31:44 <peter1138> Belugas, can you youtube? 18:31:45 <Gonozal_VIII> no matter what you do and how long you play, there's always more to do 18:32:39 <Belugas> "they" kinda forbide it, and "kinda" disabled it :S 18:33:07 <Gonozal_VIII> "they" again! it's always "them"! 18:33:46 <peter1138> :( 18:33:55 <peter1138> can you voip? hehe 18:34:02 <Belugas> lol 18:34:14 <Belugas> neither ;) 18:34:16 <Belugas> but thanks 18:34:26 <peter1138> :( 18:34:28 <Prof_Frink> Belugas: A block shouldn't stop someone 1337 like you 18:34:52 * Belugas knows not much on network wizardy 18:35:06 <Belugas> eitherway, i've got some Mogwai going on 18:35:20 <Belugas> so.. it's better than nothing ;) 18:35:35 <Gonozal_VIII> oh noes! don't get water on them or feed them after midnight! 18:36:09 <Belugas> not a chance 18:36:19 <Belugas> at midnight, my headset willnot play 18:47:42 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:55:23 *** LordAzamath [~LordAzama@pc122.host21.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 18:55:34 * SpComb shizzles 18:55:52 <SpComb> a dual-stack IPv6 server supports IPv4 and IPv6, so what do you stick into the master server? 18:56:20 <peter1138> needs to be both 18:56:32 <SpComb> trying to stick both, but there's something weird about it sending the packet over IPv6 even though I have an IPv4 socket bound to an IPv4 adddress and sent to an IPv4 address 18:57:16 <peter1138> hmm, an IPv6 socket should still be reachable via IPv4... 18:57:37 <peter1138> sort of 18:57:49 <peter1138> well it works for :::22 ;) 19:03:39 <SpComb> indeed, but I didn't think the kernel would be able to automatically convert 192.168.1.1 to 2002:5282:1012:1234:250:8dff:fed5:c0b9 19:03:43 <SpComb> http://pb.paivola.fi/504 19:05:21 <Yorick> hmm...I get my livebox configuration screen if I go to master-int.meta.myottd.net 19:06:46 <Yorick> it resolves to 192.168.1.1 19:08:51 <peter1138> yes, and? 19:09:12 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host246-159-dynamic.56-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 19:09:34 <Wolf01> hello 19:10:02 <Yorick> hello 19:10:17 <Yorick> should it resolve to 192.168.1.1 publicly? 19:11:04 <peter1138> well it's only a test environment 19:11:11 <peter1138> you'll need your own master server 19:13:33 *** mad_ is now known as farnsworth 19:13:53 *** farnsworth is now known as mad_ 19:14:28 <SpComb> indeed 19:14:44 <NukeBuster> Peter1138, what kind of build system does openttd use? 19:14:48 <SpComb> the IPv6 one should work though 19:15:01 <Sacro> Yorick: wtf 19:15:05 <Sacro> it resolvse to .1.1 here 19:15:22 <debian__> I want an train to bring and take stuff, how? 19:16:53 <SpComb> and now it doesn't resolve at all 19:17:13 <Eddi|zuHause3> debian__: won't work with transfer 19:17:26 <SpComb> and yeah, I figured out what was wrong... it was 192.168.1.1, not 192.168.1.10 >_< 19:17:42 <SpComb> so it was sending the UDP packet to my router, and I'd just miscounted the IPv6 retries 19:17:46 <SpComb> spent two hours on that... 19:18:14 <Yorick> you should thank me 19:18:54 <Yorick> "Bezig met het traceren van de route naar master-int.meta.myottd.net [192.168.1.1]" 19:21:16 <Yorick> :-P 19:21:18 <peter1138> NukeBuster, build system? Depends where it's being compiled... 19:21:53 <NukeBuster> If I compiled it in a linux environment? 19:21:58 <peter1138> VS8 project, VS9 project, or makefile ... 19:22:07 <NukeBuster> makefile 19:22:19 <Belugas> http://www.lyricsmode.com/lyrics/s/sigur_ros/glosoli.html <-- good.. I have the lyrics. Now i need to SING them 19:22:21 <Belugas> ho boy... 19:22:34 <peter1138> they have lyrics? :o 19:22:53 <Belugas> i THINK this is icelandic 19:22:59 <Belugas> not hopelandic 19:23:03 <peter1138> heh 19:23:22 <Belugas> hopelandic, lost hope... 19:25:37 <peter1138> NukeBuster, so what's the question? 19:27:22 <NukeBuster> well I'm trying out the GNU buildsystem, with autoconf and automake... but while doing that I was wondering what openttd uses 19:28:00 <NukeBuster> (to get your configure script and makefile updated) 19:28:15 <Prof_Frink> How was it that arstechnica described autoconf/automake? 19:28:19 <Yorick> the configure script updates the makefile 19:29:08 <NukeBuster> Yorick, but the configure scripts has to be made from something.... or do you type the whole thing yourself? 19:29:40 <Yorick> I thought they did 19:30:05 <NukeBuster> with autoconf, autoconf generates a configure script 19:30:13 <NukeBuster> but it's quite a hassle... 19:30:17 <Prof_Frink> "KDE's build system was previously based on Autotools, an intractably arcane and grotesquely anachronistic cesspool of ineffable complexity that makes even seasoned programmers nauseous." 19:30:36 <NukeBuster> Yeah it isn't pretty 19:30:49 <NukeBuster> Documentation doesn't tell everything either 19:31:15 <peter1138> NukeBuster, ours is totally custom 19:31:52 <NukeBuster> Ok, thanks. Already wondered how you set it up like that. 19:32:40 <peter1138> It also sucks apparently, some people say, though without pointing specific reasons or parts that suck... 19:33:12 <peter1138> ln- is good at that though 19:33:33 <NukeBuster> Hmm, at the moment I like the way you made it. Because I don't want makefiles all over the place 19:34:10 <ln-> thanks 19:34:39 <Prof_Frink> peter1138: It sucks because it's software, and all software sucks. 19:34:45 <Prof_Frink> Some just sucks less. 19:35:06 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r12201 /trunk/src/town_cmd.cpp: -Fix (r12060): compilation warnings - uninitialized variable when compiling with assert disabled 19:35:18 *** UFO64 [UFO64@john-michael-murray.um.maine.edu] has joined #openttd 19:35:52 <SpComb> http://misc.marttila.de/wiki/OpenTTD_IPv6 <-- updated 19:35:52 <ln-> peter1138: it doesn't work with distcc the normal way, and the location of the actual binary is hidden behind "make run". 19:35:54 <Eddi|zuHause3> someone needs to branch 0.6, and then include YAPP... 19:36:17 <SpComb> terom@marttila:~$ traceroute6 test-master.meta.myottd.net 19:36:17 <SpComb> traceroute to test-master.meta.myottd.net (2002:5282:1012:1234:250:8dff:fed5:c0b9), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets 1 gw.ipv6.myottd.net (2002:5282:1012::1) 55.784 ms 55.915 ms 56.131 ms 2 qmsk.ipv6.myottd.net (2002:5282:1012:1234:250:8dff:fed5:c0b9) 57.645 ms 57.787 ms 57.860 ms 19:36:21 <SpComb> hmm, smelly 19:36:44 <SpComb> terom@marttila:~$ traceroute6 test-master.meta.myottd.net 19:36:44 <SpComb> traceroute to test-master.meta.myottd.net (2002:5282:1012:1234:250:8dff:fed5:c0b9), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets 19:36:44 <SpComb> 1 gw.ipv6.myottd.net (2002:5282:1012::1) 55.784 ms 55.915 ms 56.131 ms 19:36:44 <SpComb> 2 qmsk.ipv6.myottd.net (2002:5282:1012:1234:250:8dff:fed5:c0b9) 57.645 ms 57.787 ms 57.860 ms 19:37:13 <peter1138> ln-, no, it's in bin/openttd 19:37:14 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r12202 /trunk/src/openttd.cpp: -Fix: When loading a savegame fails, don't start creating a new game, just go straight back to the intro screen. 19:37:19 <peter1138> that's not hidden 19:37:32 <peter1138> make run is some stupid shortcut that i never use... 19:37:34 <Eddi|zuHause3> Unable to connect to 2002:5282:1012:1234:250:8dff:fed5:c0b9: Network is unreachable 19:37:51 <SmatZ> I use "make run" very often 19:37:58 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: frosch * r12203 /trunk/src/train_cmd.cpp: -Fix (r12199): Make trains pay attention to signals again. 19:38:17 <Eddi|zuHause3> i don't use "make run", i always do b[PgUp] 19:38:42 <peter1138> b[PgUp] just beeps 19:38:50 <SmatZ> lol @ r12203 19:39:30 <Eddi|zuHause3> string[PgUp] cycles through the history of all commands starting with string 19:39:40 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl7-186-113.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 19:39:56 <Eddi|zuHause3> where the last command starting with b is usually bin/openttd & 19:40:09 <peter1138> not with my shell 19:40:15 <Eddi|zuHause3> occasionally it's bg 19:40:24 <peter1138> which appears to be bash 19:40:25 <Eddi|zuHause3> but not much else starts with b 19:40:28 <peter1138> also known for sucking 19:40:38 <Eddi|zuHause3> well, i have bash 19:41:05 <Eddi|zuHause3> i found that it does not work in cygwin 19:41:19 <Eddi|zuHause3> so probably it has to be configured somewhere 19:42:18 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r12204 /trunk/src/core/math_func.hpp: -Fix (r12192): using UINT16_MAX broke compilation on many targets 19:42:26 <Digitalfox> If i set in messages settings, "Open/close of industries = OFF" and set "Production changes of industries served by the player = Full", will i be notified about my industries closing? 19:42:38 <Yorick> no 19:43:08 <Digitalfox> My objective is that i only know if my industries close not every industry in the map.. 19:44:35 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A473D5.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 19:46:11 <Digitalfox> What does "company information" inform? 19:46:30 <Digitalfox> Bankrupt info/annual finances? 19:46:31 <Yorick> companies getting closd by autoclear etc 19:47:45 <debian__> Do I loose stuff stored in train stations? 19:47:53 <Yorick> tes 19:48:00 <peter1138> lose 19:48:10 <Yorick> yes* 19:51:42 <peter1138> HEATHCLIFF 19:51:49 <peter1138> # it's me i'm cathy 19:52:04 <peter1138> # i've come home and i'm so cold let me inna your window 19:52:35 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl7-186-113.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Bye] 19:59:37 *** UFO64-alt [UFO64@john-michael-murray.um.maine.edu] has joined #openttd 19:59:37 *** UFO64 [UFO64@john-michael-murray.um.maine.edu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:59:49 *** UFO64-alt [UFO64@john-michael-murray.um.maine.edu] has quit [] 20:05:29 <Belugas> # Sheeeeee is susceptible 20:05:34 <Belugas> # heeeeeee is impossible 20:05:42 <Belugas> # Theeeeeeey have their crosses to share 20:05:48 <Belugas> # three of a perfect pair 20:06:06 <Sacro> http://i27.tinypic.com/330tx6p.jpg <- Er lebt! 20:06:51 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N928P024.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:06:51 <Prof_Frink> I take it that translates to "He lives!" 20:06:55 <Sacro> yes! 20:07:10 <Prof_Frink> Ja! 20:07:29 <Sacro> Ðа! 20:07:41 <Prof_Frink> Oui! 20:07:52 <Sacro> Si! 20:09:10 <Prof_Frink> ã¯ãïŒ 20:10:21 <peter1138> # i love to watch things on teeee veeee 20:11:32 <SpComb> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=36312 <-- topic 20:12:59 <Prof_Frink> 0.5.3, 0.6.0-beta4 | Website: *.openttd.org (DevBlog: blog, Translator: translator2, Gameservers: servers, Nightly-builds: nightly, NightlyArchive: archive, WIKI: wiki, SVN mailinglist: maillist, Dev-docs: docs, Patches & Bug-reports: bugs) | #openttd.notice for FS + SVN notices | UTF-8 is mandatory <-- topic 20:13:40 <Belugas> # Heeeee has his contradictive views 20:13:50 <Belugas> # sheeee has her cyclotimic mood 20:13:59 <Belugas> # They make a study in despair 20:14:06 <Belugas> # three of a perfect pair 20:14:13 <Belugas> <--- lyrics 20:14:16 <Belugas> lol! 20:14:25 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N881P014.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 20:14:36 <Prof_Frink> # Before the leaves have fallen, before we lock the doors, there must be the third and last dance, this one will last forever 20:16:34 *** UFO64 [UFO64@john-michael-murray.um.maine.edu] has joined #openttd 20:17:07 <Belugas> # On this harvest moooooooooon 20:20:04 <Sacro> Belugas: spammah 20:21:40 <Prof_Frink> Sacro: hamtouchah 20:23:26 <Belugas> Sacro, singah! 20:23:26 *** Zaviori [~zavior@d195-237-7-167.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:25:02 * Prof_Frink queues up 6DOIT 20:25:04 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: Always remember you're unique, just like everyone else.] 20:25:13 *** Zavior [~zavior@d195-237-7-167.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 20:25:21 <Prof_Frink> Belugas: It's your fault. 20:28:04 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12] 20:28:08 * Belugas whistles innocently 20:28:33 <Prof_Frink> (Music about insanity ftw) 20:28:48 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 20:30:49 <debian__> When does the company start selling shares? 20:31:20 <Vikthor> after being 5 years in bussines or so 20:32:49 <debian__> Ok 20:33:03 <debian__> Is that so it will be wotrth something? 20:33:23 <debian__> And can someone point me in the direction of the shares wiki page? 20:36:13 <blathijs> Shares? 20:36:15 <Belugas> wiki.openttd.org 20:36:43 <Belugas> http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Special:Search?search=shares&go=Go 20:36:46 <Belugas> choose! 20:37:09 <Belugas> and SEARCH! :D 20:39:50 *** Born_Acorn [~bornacorn@81.171.98.107] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:40:29 *** Yorick [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: Always remember you're unique, your quit message is not.] 20:40:50 *** Born_Acorn [~bornacorn@81.171.98.107] has joined #openttd 20:44:18 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl7-186-113.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 20:53:06 <debian__> Belugas: It was small 20:53:17 <debian__> http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Allow_shares 20:53:32 <debian__> Make it more informative so I'll know., 20:55:36 <LordAzamath> do static grfs have priority over dynamic grfs? 20:55:49 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-212-74.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 20:56:44 <Belugas> debian__, there are two ways of finding stuff. One is following a direction to where those things are, the other is to know/learn how to get it yourself. 20:56:53 <Belugas> the latter has the advantage to be faster 20:57:01 <Belugas> altough it requires work 20:57:05 <Belugas> as in do it your self ;) 20:57:12 <Belugas> but it pays on the long run :D 20:57:18 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r12205 /trunk/src/ (5 files): -Codechange: rename RailVehicleInfo::running_cost_base to running_cost, inline with other vehicle types (It is the factor, not the base) 20:57:53 <fjb> And it doesn't annoy other people. 20:58:42 <Belugas> hey.. i did not said that 20:58:51 <fjb> But I did. 20:58:57 <Prof_Frink> But you were thinking it loudly. 21:00:30 <Belugas> LordAzamath, i cannot answer that one. I don't know what you mean by priority 21:01:08 <LordAzamath> if I have two grfs modifying the same thing, which one will be showed, static or non-static? 21:01:17 <Eddi|zuHause3> LordAzamath: by default, static grfs are loaded last 21:01:25 <Eddi|zuHause3> but you can change the order in the newgrf window 21:01:31 <LordAzamath> hmm ok 21:01:44 <LordAzamath> but in cfg file? 21:01:52 <Eddi|zuHause3> no 21:02:07 <LordAzamath> just put [newgrf-static] before [newgrf] 21:02:08 <LordAzamath> ? 21:02:22 <Eddi|zuHause3> i don't think that will have any effect 21:02:26 <glx> won't change anything 21:02:36 <Ammler> hmm, is there a reason why they are loaded after? 21:02:54 <Ammler> not better they would be loaded first? 21:02:54 <LordAzamath> I had always the idea that static things run in background and others run over them 21:03:18 <LordAzamath> run (space) over * :D 21:04:28 *** UFO64 [UFO64@john-michael-murray.um.maine.edu] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:06:24 *** Zealotus [~Nemesis@217-211-211-179-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:06:39 *** Zealotus [~Nemesis@217-211-211-179-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 21:06:41 <LordAzamath> gnight 21:06:48 *** LordAzamath [~LordAzama@pc122.host21.starman.ee] has left #openttd [Kopete 0.12.5 : http://kopete.kde.org] 21:08:39 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: belugas * r12206 /trunk/src/misc_gui.cpp: -Fix: A comma is not a rare resource. Do not hesitate to use it when needed. 21:09:34 <Prof_Frink> # I'm alive again, the darkness far behind me, I'm invincible, despair will never find me 21:13:08 <fjb> Belugas: Can I have that commit message? 21:13:35 * Belugas granted 21:13:55 <fjb> Thank you. It is widely applicable outside the OpenTTD source. 21:14:37 <Prof_Frink> As, Tony Blair, will, happily demonstrate. 21:15:48 <fjb> Does he never use a comma when speaking? 21:16:26 <Prof_Frink> # Deception of fame, vengeance of war, lives torn apart, losing oneself, spiralling down, feeling the walls closing in. A journey to find, the answers inside, our illusive mind! 21:17:45 <Prof_Frink> fjb: It's more a case of, he will pause, at random points, in the sentence. 21:18:32 <Belugas> instrumental songs are bad for singing, would I say 21:18:33 <fjb> Oh, not good for a politician. They should learn how to speak. 21:18:55 <fjb> Akapella... 21:19:39 <Prof_Frink> Belugas: Only the overture is instumental ;) 21:20:14 <Belugas> # the holy city breaths like a dying man 21:20:43 <Belugas> Prof_Frink, try singing Mike Oldfield - Taurus1 ;) 21:23:34 *** Osai^work is now known as Osai 21:26:50 <Wolf01> 'night 21:26:55 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host246-159-dynamic.56-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 21:27:03 <fjb> He is always too fast... 21:29:13 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl7-186-113.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Bye] 21:29:44 *** Morloth|Dancing is now known as Morloth 21:31:01 <Sacro> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Sun-Enterprise-10000-E10K-64x-Processor-64gb-ram-Server_W0QQitemZ170195365667QQihZ007QQcategoryZ1486QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem <- i want :( 21:32:52 <Prof_Frink> Sacro: But what would you /do/ with it? 21:32:57 <Prof_Frink> Apart from heat the house 21:33:02 <Sacro> Prof_Frink: compete with zernebok 21:33:10 <Sacro> run a shedload of openttd servers... 21:33:21 <Prof_Frink> shedload = 64? 21:33:55 <Sacro> yes :D 21:34:07 <Sacro> might even be able to run YAPF on ships 21:35:00 <Gonozal_VIII> with 400mhz processors? nowai 21:36:14 <debian__> Can ottd run on 400mhz cpu? 21:36:20 <Prof_Frink> Yes. 21:36:24 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Quit: AS A VAGINA ONCE SAID: <yorick> SOMEONE BAN HIM] 21:36:45 <Prof_Frink> openttd has been known to run on a P166 w/ 32MB RAM 21:36:46 <peter1138> So, debian__, are you etch, sarge, woody or potato? 21:36:54 <Sacro> YOUR NAMING 2.2 POTATO? 21:36:56 <Prof_Frink> or lenny or sid? 21:37:20 * Prof_Frink is now known as kubuntu__ 21:37:29 <Gonozal_VIII> not with shipyapf prof 21:37:47 <Prof_Frink> Gonozal_VIII: No, this would have been when I had X on my libretto 21:38:00 <ln-> Prof_Frink: ClosedTTD has been known to run on a 486/33 w/ 8MB RAM. 21:38:13 <Prof_Frink> True dat. 21:38:19 <Gonozal_VIII> but that thingy should be able to run 64 normal openttd servers just fine 21:38:35 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-119-5.karoo.KCOM.COM] has left #openttd [Leaving] 21:38:39 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-119-5.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 21:38:51 <Prof_Frink> Sacro: It could also host your irssi session 21:38:53 <Sacro> CIA censoredyst Jack Ryan is drawn into an illegal war fought by the US government against a Colombian drug cartel. 21:39:02 <Gonozal_VIII> way too much ram for that... 21:39:04 * Sacro wonders what a censoredist is 21:39:05 <Belugas> for what it's worth, i did not kicked Sacro 21:39:11 <Belugas> he did it himself! 21:39:15 <Sacro> Prof_Frink: I have an irssi host 21:39:15 <Prof_Frink> Sacro: Arse splitting. 21:39:27 <Sacro> but when i press ^I it detaches the x-chat window 21:39:30 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-119-5.karoo.KCOM.COM] has left #openttd [Leaving] 21:39:32 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-119-5.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 21:39:35 <Sacro> like that >< 21:39:41 <Sacro> and i have to close and reopen to attach it 21:39:43 <Prof_Frink> Sacro: So do I! It's the P166 w/32MB RAM I mentioned before! 21:40:09 <peter1138> Sacro, er, pressing ^I again reattaches it 21:40:13 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-165-110.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 21:40:24 <Sacro> peter1138: well whaddaya know! 21:40:30 <Prof_Frink> silly Sacro. 21:40:31 <Sacro> it does ^^ 21:40:41 <Prof_Frink> c-a d detaches the window 21:41:43 <Prof_Frink> Sacro: Can you imagine what that site would make of a cocklepicker analyst from Scunthorpe? 21:41:51 <Sacro> indeed 21:41:55 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CFFD.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:42:04 <Sacro> i suppose it's clbuttic regex abuse 21:42:42 <Prof_Frink> *cldonkeyic 21:42:49 <fjb> Belugas: It is Bjarni's job to kick Sacro. 21:43:31 <Belugas> Bjarni finds it amusing to kick a lot of people lately 21:43:50 * fjb knows... 21:44:00 <fjb> At least he kicked himself once. 21:45:55 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F55A04.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 21:47:33 <debian__> I'm a genious in this game... I hvae 1.300.000 21:48:02 <fjb> How great. 21:48:26 <Gonozal_VIII> profit per day? 21:48:40 <Sacro> #define _________ } 21:48:40 <Sacro> #define ________ putchar 21:48:40 <Sacro> #define _______ main 21:48:40 <Sacro> #define _(a) ________(a); 21:48:42 <Sacro> #define ______ _______(){ 21:48:42 <Sacro> #define __ ______ _(0x48)_(0x65)_(0x6C)_(0x6C) 21:48:44 <Sacro> #define ___ _(0x6F)_(0x2C)_(0x20)_(0x77)_(0x6F) 21:48:45 <Sacro> #define ____ _(0x72)_(0x6C)_(0x64)_(0x21) 21:48:46 <fjb> Gonozal_VIII: That was evel... 21:48:47 <Sacro> #define _____ __ ___ ____ _________ 21:48:47 <Prof_Frink> Gonozal_VIII: You should see my horribly broken ttdpatch game 21:48:49 <Sacro> #include<stdio.h> 21:48:54 <Prof_Frink> Belugas: *cough* 21:49:08 <Gonozal_VIII> wtf is sacro doing 21:49:17 <Sacro> that's some lovely code there lou 21:49:53 <Prof_Frink> Gonozal_VIII: I was hitting the £2Gi overflow every day 21:50:06 <Gonozal_VIII> ^^ 21:50:40 * fjb is playing with passenger destinations and ECS to not hit that overflow. 21:51:06 <debian__> Gonozal_VIII: Per day? I only see yeer 21:51:21 <debian__> ~400.000 an year 21:53:10 <fjb> I'm making about 9000000 after expeses a year in my actual game. 21:53:54 <Gonozal_VIII> i remember single trains doing that^^ 21:54:24 <fjb> Yes, but it is not that easy to handle ECS. Much experimenting nedded... 21:54:24 <Prof_Frink> Gonozal_VIII: I have ships making a loss on each journey 21:54:35 <Gonozal_VIII> that's strange 21:54:49 <Prof_Frink> Again, this is TTDPatch 21:54:50 <Gonozal_VIII> my ships always made profit.. not much but no loss 21:55:03 <Gonozal_VIII> is that so much different? 21:55:23 <Prof_Frink> No overflow-protect 21:56:46 <Gonozal_VIII> oveflowing ships :S 21:57:33 <debian__> I buy every computer that came along 21:57:42 <debian__> so I dont actualy do any building 21:58:31 <fjb> Buying computers in the game? You are sure you are playing OpenTTD? 22:02:45 <debian__> fjb: The AI's 22:02:57 <debian__> I'm buying them through shares... 22:03:07 <Eddi|zuHause3> <Sacro> that's some lovely code there lou <- you did not show any code yet 22:03:08 <Gonozal_VIII> why? 22:03:27 <debian__> Gonozal_VIII: Then they can build for me... 22:03:44 <Gonozal_VIII> i don't think, that's such a good idea^^ 22:04:44 <debian__> Can I turn off the siund effects? 22:04:58 <Eddi|zuHause3> my current profit is 230.000.000 per year 22:05:28 <Eddi|zuHause3> debian__: yes, click on the notes icon on the right of the main toolbar 22:05:58 <Eddi|zuHause3> then turn the sound effects volume to 0 22:07:09 <debian__> That was nice 22:07:34 <debian__> The music is nice, but the constant train noise was annoying. 22:08:30 * glx plays without music, but likes the train noise 22:08:53 <fjb> Hm, is digging tunnels under oil wells a good idea...? 22:09:16 * fjb didn't get music working yet. 22:10:28 <debian__> Why does the AI's borrow so much money? 22:11:39 <fjb> Because it fails to make profit. 22:12:37 <debian__> I'm making profit, and I only buy AI's! 22:12:49 <peter1138> debian__, so have you considered a more suitable nickname for IRC? 22:12:59 <Sacro> like root! 22:13:23 <fjb> peter1138: Maybe his real name is Deborah Ian... 22:13:29 <Gonozal_VIII> how about "/quit" 22:13:31 <Sacro> haha 22:14:00 <debian__> Is this better? 22:14:15 <Gonozal_VIII> "this"? 22:14:18 *** debian__ is now known as IRC-Nick 22:14:21 <IRC-Nick> Now? 22:14:31 <Prof_Frink> not really :/ 22:14:49 * fjb thinks that IRC-Nick is a very creative guy. 22:15:03 *** IRC-Nick is now known as yzaLyzarC 22:15:07 <yzaLyzarC> This? 22:15:16 <peter1138> CrazyLazy? heh 22:15:29 <yzaLyzarC> peter1138: Is it suitabole for me? 22:15:49 <peter1138> I don't know you well enough :p 22:15:59 <yzaLyzarC> From what you've seen today! 22:16:11 <fjb> How about: vqvbg :-) 22:16:31 <peter1138> :o 22:16:45 <Gonozal_VIII> he's letting the ai build for him 22:16:51 <Gonozal_VIII> i think the nick is fitting 22:18:22 <yzaLyzarC> Gonozal_VIII: Thank you! 22:18:37 <peter1138> heh 22:20:10 <yzaLyzarC> I have a company value of: ~8.800.000 22:20:29 <yzaLyzarC> Year 1976 22:23:09 * fjb has a company value of 34597818 in August 1951. 22:23:47 <yzaLyzarC> If I tell it to automagicaly change from diesel to electrical, will it update the rails? 22:24:03 <fjb> No 22:24:35 <yzaLyzarC> I think it did, or the elektronic train is driving on diesles tracks 22:26:02 <Sacro> diesles? 22:26:16 <Prof_Frink> diseasels. 22:26:17 <yzaLyzarC> Disel? 22:26:36 <peter1138> Prof_Frink is a Dieselist 22:26:43 <yzaLyzarC> And as far as I can see it updates the tracks! 22:27:40 <yzaLyzarC> Or else it is an bug... 22:28:52 <fjb> Was the track build by the ai? It usually builds electrified tracks. 22:29:10 <yzaLyzarC> fjb: Maybe... 22:29:14 <ln-> is there a cheap (USB or PCI) soundcard that can output AC3? 22:29:24 <Sacro> wow, that was good 22:29:28 <Sacro> ln-: you mean undecoded? 22:29:40 <yzaLyzarC> Can I upgrade railways? 22:30:10 <ln-> Sacro: no, i want AC3 verbatim in coaxial form. 22:30:10 * Sacro has a soundcard that outputs dts amd dolby digital 22:30:19 <Sacro> ln-: yes, creative ones can 22:30:39 <Sacro> actually, onboard ones might too 22:31:04 <ln-> i've got SPDIF out integrated on my motherboard, but it's unfortunately unable to output AC3 properly under linux. 22:31:20 <Sacro> hmm :s 22:31:22 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12] 22:31:25 <Sacro> linux support is a puzzler 22:31:31 <Sacro> maybe an emu10k1 card would be better 22:31:54 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 22:31:56 <Sacro> http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=SC-049-CL&groupid=701&catid=11&subcat= <- that'd be good 22:32:02 <Sacro> but i think that is emu20k1 22:32:05 <Sacro> or 10k2 22:32:06 <ln-> depending on the decoder in the amplifier, there is either sound or no sound. it doesn't properly set some AC3 bit on, but some decoders ignore that. 22:32:08 <Sacro> i can never recall 22:32:27 <ln-> says internet. 22:33:13 <fjb> yzaLyzarC: That is what the upgrade button is for. 22:33:49 *** fjb_ [~frank@p5485CE3F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:35:24 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@ip-62-143-77-44.1311A-CUD12K-02.ish.de] has joined #openttd 22:35:58 <fjb_> yzaLyzarC: Did you ever try to find out any function of the game by your own? 22:35:58 <yzaLyzarC> I found it 22:36:20 <yzaLyzarC> fjb_: I managed to open the game, and install almost without help... 22:36:55 <fjb_> And now the rest of the world is there to tell you what you have to do? 22:38:20 <yzaLyzarC> fjb_: No, only a few guys on irc 22:40:02 <fjb_> I guess that guys will stop to answer your questions if you are to lazy to read the manual or even the tooltips. 22:40:14 * Sacro tests LOTR:FOTR in surround 22:40:20 <Sacro> errr. no 22:40:24 <Sacro> that's Juno 22:41:14 *** fjb [~frank@p5485C7F0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:41:47 *** fjb_ is now known as fjb 22:47:23 <yzaLyzarC> This might seam like a stupid question but, where is the manual? 22:47:29 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-111-234.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [Quit: The soviets! Tanks incom...] 22:48:57 <peter1138> http://wiki.openttd.org/ i think 22:49:25 <peter1138> g'night 22:49:26 *** peter1138 [~petern@petern.bnsnet.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 22:53:03 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc332161-a.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Quit: May the ducttape be with you] 22:53:47 <yzaLyzarC> Is the person who made this game here? 22:54:03 <yzaLyzarC> The person who open-sourced it! 22:54:34 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CFFD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:54:50 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-108-75.fttx.bbned.nl] has joined #openttd 22:55:16 <Sacro> yzaLyzarC: no, yes 22:55:48 <Sacro> @seen ludde 22:55:49 <DorpsGek> Sacro: ludde was last seen in #openttd 6 weeks, 1 day, 2 hours, 32 minutes, and 4 seconds ago: <ludde> :) 22:56:46 <yzaLyzarC> Is ludde the person who open-sourced this game? 22:57:00 <ln-> "open-sourced"... 22:57:04 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-108-75.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [] 22:57:15 <ln-> no, the game was never open-sourced. 22:57:45 <fjb> Oh, somebody exorcized our ghost... :-( 22:58:12 <Prof_Frink> ln-: Well, when it only existed on ludde's hard drive it was effectively closed source 22:58:18 <yzaLyzarC> ln-: Definition on the word open-sourcED, bavaward engeenering to get the source code of something. 22:58:29 <Sacro> yzaLyzarC: no, orudge did that 22:58:35 <Sacro> well... 22:58:39 <ln-> "bavaward engeenering"... 22:58:49 <Sacro> ludde owned the copyright, so techincally he "open sourced" 22:58:56 <Sacro> but orudge released it to the hounds 22:59:00 <Sacro> err s/hounds/world/ 22:59:43 <yzaLyzarC> So ludde made the original game? He didnt backward engeneer anything? 23:00:22 <Prof_Frink> Chris Sawyer made Transport Tycoon. 23:00:25 <Sacro> no, Chris Sawyer made the original game 23:00:30 <Sacro> and ludde backwards engineered fit 23:00:50 <fjb> Reengeneering never opens the source. You get an alternate source that leads to that executable. 23:01:17 <yzaLyzarC> fjb: To the ecsact same executable? 23:01:23 <Prof_Frink> Sacro: With reference to Marcin's internals that were done for TTDPatch 23:01:31 <Sacro> ? 23:01:44 <fjb> yzaLyzarC: Ofcourse. Start thinking. 23:01:46 <Sacro> fjb: that word requires an i ;) 23:02:04 <yzaLyzarC> fjb: Can it be done with any executaboles? 23:02:12 <Sacro> yep 23:02:22 <fjb> Sacro: Ok, then I buy an i. 23:03:11 <Sacro> can i have an i please bob? 23:03:37 <ln-> 00:58 < yzaLyzarC> ln-: Definition on the word open-sourcED, bavaward engeenering to get the source code of something. <--- this is YOUR definition of it, but not a commonly accepted definition. 23:05:14 <yzaLyzarC> Open-sourced means to release the source-code, agreed? 23:06:09 <ln-> of something you have the source to. 23:06:26 <ln-> and you own the source. 23:06:56 <ln-> neither of those were true in this case, except on the ludde-orudge scale. 23:07:31 <yzaLyzarC> You dont have to own it, only in some way be able to release it to the general public! 23:07:56 <ln-> that is not the commonly accepted definition, i claim. 23:08:01 <fjb> Ludde never had the TTD source code. 23:09:20 <yzaLyzarC> fjb: He made it from assembely, why dont people still code assembely?! 23:09:47 <fjb> Do you still do it? 23:10:01 <Prof_Frink> yzaLyzarC: People do. 23:10:07 <Prof_Frink> patchman for one. 23:10:45 <fjb> People do it in special cases for special reasons. 23:22:57 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:24:48 <yzaLyzarC> I would love to manually put bits on my hd with an magnet 23:25:24 <fjb> Buy a magnet and do it. 23:25:45 <Prof_Frink> yzaLyzarC: Magnet? Pfft. Use a butterfly. 23:26:00 *** peter1138 [~petern@217.151.109.242] has joined #openttd 23:26:03 *** mode/#openttd [+o peter1138] by ChanServ 23:26:19 <yzaLyzarC> Can openttd be run in an ssh console? 23:28:25 <fjb> The dedicated server can without question. The version with the X interface can if you enable X forwarding in ssh. 23:28:42 <peter1138> fjb, and if you like it slow... 23:29:01 <ln-> morning, peter 23:29:38 <glx> lol 23:29:40 <fjb> peter1138: He didn't aks for speed. And I don't think speed is important for somebody who wants to manipulate bits on his hard disk using a magnet. 23:29:47 *** divo [~asd@0x4dd443c6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Quit: Quitting] 23:30:38 <Sacro> heh, i've done x-forwarding ottd before 23:30:50 <Sacro> hmm, i just realised i left my laptop next to a 380W subwoofer 23:31:15 <Gonozal_VIII> hehehe 23:31:21 <fjb> Sacro: That shouldn't harm it. 23:31:24 <Gonozal_VIII> better chech the hd then 23:31:29 <Gonozal_VIII> -h+k 23:31:50 <fjb> Gonozal_VIII: Better use an unified diff. 23:31:58 <Sacro> fjb: it came with a note saying "DO NOT PLACE THIS SUBWOOFER WITHIN 60cm (2 foot) OF ANY PC/MONITOR/TV" 23:32:19 <Sacro> and the box has a "WARNING: MAGNETIC CONTENTS INSIDE" sticker 23:32:39 <Prof_Frink> Sacro: Does it warp the fabric of thyme and space? 23:32:44 <fjb> It would influence the display tube. 23:33:16 <Gonozal_VIII> indeed it does prof, any matter does that 23:33:17 <fjb> But I doubt that it will have any influence on your hd. 23:33:56 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:34:41 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 23:35:53 <Sacro> hmm 23:36:55 *** Tekky [~Tekky@p5493C08B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:37:05 <Sacro> any chance of an L shaped openttd window? 23:37:07 <Sacro> hey Tekky 23:37:14 *** Osai is now known as Osai^zZz 23:38:19 *** Zavior [~zavior@d195-237-7-167.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:40:49 <Tekky> hi :) 23:41:25 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-165-110.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: ThePizzaKing] 23:41:39 <Tekky> I've just been testing the new version of YAPP, I'm impressed :) 23:42:09 <peter1138> Another new one? :o 23:42:24 <fjb> Hi Tekky 23:42:51 <Tekky> peter1138: I've only tested YAPP version 4 today, although it has been already released 3 days ago. 23:43:49 <peter1138> Ah right... 23:43:51 <fjb> 4.3 is great. 23:44:31 <Tekky> automatic train reversal is a pain in version 4 though, if you mix traditional and PBS signals. 23:44:44 <fjb> You can switch that off. 23:44:49 <peter1138> Isn't it, Sacro :D 23:45:22 <Sacro> peter1138: what? 23:45:25 <ben_goodger> yapp? 23:45:37 <fjb> wait_for_pbs_path = 255 23:45:53 <Tekky> ben_goodger: YAPP = Yet Another PBS Patch 23:46:07 <fjb> ben_goodger: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=36107 23:46:12 <ben_goodger> thank you 23:46:17 <ben_goodger> I ask only because the wiki lies bereft 23:46:20 <Sacro> Police in the Czech republic are trying to find out who stole a 4 tonne railway bridge from the border town of Cheb. 23:46:20 <Sacro> The company which was responsible for looking after the bridge raised the alarm when, ever alert, they noticed that the bridge wasn't there any more. 23:46:34 <ben_goodger> heh 23:47:21 <Sacro> how does someone steal a bridge :\ 23:47:32 <peter1138> Sacro, is it the same organisation that keeps losing CDs? 23:47:39 <Tekky> fjb: you can only switch off trains waiting for a PBS paths, but you can't switch off waiting time in front of standard signals. And michi_cc added a feature which prevents trains from moving after reversing in blocks with PBS signals. This causes trains to deadlock in PBS areas when reversing in front of a non-PBS signal. 23:47:40 <fjb> A steel mill disappeared in China about 30 years ago. 23:47:43 <Sacro> peter1138: possibly 23:48:11 <Morloth> peter1138: I though you went to bed? ;) 23:48:21 <fjb> Tekky: Ah, ok. 23:48:52 <Gonozal_VIII> steal mills disappear ingame all the time 23:49:18 <fjb> Where is the chinese rail set? 23:49:39 <Prof_Frink> chinrail! 23:50:18 <fjb> Lots of steam engines and the transrapid. 23:50:20 <Vikthor> Sacro: If you were living here, in Czech republic such news couldn't surprise you anymore 23:50:40 <Tekky> that newGRF railset does not allow any multiplayer, though, because all transportation is monopolized by the state company :) 23:50:55 <ben_goodger> hmm, looks good 23:50:59 <fjb> :-) 23:51:13 <fjb> Perfect for the coop guys. 23:51:18 <Tekky> hehe 23:51:47 <peter1138> right 23:51:51 <peter1138> g'night again 23:51:53 <fjb> left 23:51:58 *** peter1138 [~petern@217.151.109.242] has quit [Quit: bwaaahahaha, te eeeh eeehee boingk!] 23:52:11 <fjb> Oh, he really left. 23:53:15 <Eddi|zuHause3> hm... something is wrong... there is a wagon missing... 23:53:30 <fjb> It got stolen. 23:53:48 <Eddi|zuHause3> i did not get the 120km/h gondola wagon 23:54:07 <fjb> In which year are you? 23:54:30 <Eddi|zuHause3> 1986, i got all the other wagons a while ago 23:54:40 <fjb> It comes really late. 23:54:53 <Eddi|zuHause3> no, that is the self discharging wagon that comes in 1990 23:55:00 *** phryx [~info@c-cad2e155.1811-6-64736c12.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 23:55:04 <Eddi|zuHause3> but the gondola wagon should come with the others 23:55:41 <Eddi|zuHause3> DB Hochbordwagen rotbraun 1970 30 t Getreide Kohle, Eisenerz, Waren 23:56:04 <Eddi|zuHause3> DB Selbstentladewagen rotbraun verkehrsrot 1990 1997 120 Eisenerz Kohle, Getreide 23:56:07 <fjb> Hm, strange. 23:56:12 <Eddi|zuHause3> they are different wagons 23:56:21 <fjb> I thought about the later. 23:56:51 <fjb> You probably were not nice to MB and this is his revenge. 23:57:06 <Eddi|zuHause3> yeah. sure. :p 23:57:40 <fjb> Do you have any other grf loaded which could cause a conflict? 23:59:05 <Eddi|zuHause3> not that i know of