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07:16:45 <Rubidium> depots on the kind of bounding box 07:16:52 <Rubidium> in game tiles or visually 07:16:52 <peter1138> depends? 07:17:05 <Rubidium> s/depots/depends/ 07:17:14 <Rubidium> must not be awake yet 07:17:27 <Noldo> game tiles 07:18:00 <Rubidium> something with rect 07:19:09 <Noldo> struct StationRect, thank you 07:22:38 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r12587 /trunk/src/ (7 files in 3 dirs): -Codechange: unduplicate some code in the Unpack*Order functions and move the 'normal' case Pack/Unpack to Order. 07:26:22 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@78-21-225-220.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 07:47:19 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 07:49:03 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r12588 /trunk/src/ (18 files in 4 dirs): -Codechange: do not access the destination of an order directly. 08:01:29 <Eddi|zuHause2> rubidium is into orders today? 08:02:40 <Rubidium> nah, just breaking some patches ;) 08:06:24 <Tefad> patches do things that aren't kosher? 08:12:12 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host177-232-dynamic.30-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 08:12:23 <Wolf01> hello 08:13:16 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm163.epsilon122.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 08:16:49 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-363c71d5.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 08:45:23 *** Maedhros [~jc@host86-136-232-74.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 08:53:33 <Wolf01> hey, something gone wrong with r12580... all my vehicles, trains, ships, aircrafts are stuck in a loop of "enter and exit the stations" 08:54:23 *** svippery [~svip@cpe.atm2-0-78233.0x535a2072.boanxx18.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 08:54:23 *** svippy [~svip@cpe.atm2-0-78233.0x535a2072.boanxx18.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:55:00 *** Poopsmith [~Poopsmith@124-197-37-77.callplus.net.nz] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:56:29 <Wolf01> mmm no, seem that ships are the only which still work 08:56:55 *** Phoenix_the_II [rdeboom@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:56:58 *** Phoenix_the_II [rdeboom@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 08:59:26 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 09:00:30 <Maedhros> Wolf01: that might be fixed in r12581 09:01:35 <Wolf01> good to know :) 09:06:57 *** Poopsmith [~Poopsmith@124-197-37-77.callplus.net.nz] has joined #openttd 09:06:57 *** Poopsmith [~Poopsmith@124-197-37-77.callplus.net.nz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:27:12 *** roboman [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 09:27:12 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:30:57 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B8A7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:45:26 *** Mirrakor [~linuser@p57B2F02F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:50:18 <larsemil> hey. Sdl is fun. why didnt anyone tell me 09:50:19 <larsemil> :D 09:54:50 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c122-107-243-224.eburwd9.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: ThePizzaKing] 09:55:16 <peter1138> ... 09:58:25 *** Volley [~worf@84.119.67.68] has joined #openttd 10:01:56 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm163.epsilon122.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [] 10:02:07 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B836E2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:03:35 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B84419.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 10:03:38 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 10:12:30 *** keyweed [~Dennis@home.keyweed.com] has quit [Quit: server maintenance] 10:19:35 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-36-6.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 10:21:14 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has joined #openttd 10:31:01 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 10:31:01 *** roboman [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:43:50 *** Slowpoke [~Lobster@dslb-088-073-219-013.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 10:52:22 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 10:53:36 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 11:08:53 *** pavel1269 [~pavel.g@48.140.broadband2.iol.cz] has joined #openttd 11:09:41 <pavel1269> hi 11:17:18 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:23:55 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 11:30:47 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-36-6.adslplus.ch] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:30:53 *** divo [~asd@x1-6-00-18-39-d3-e9-f6.k899.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 11:33:53 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-62-167-70-115.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 11:34:51 *** roboman [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 11:34:51 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:38:23 *** jez [farscape@87-194-212-214.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 11:38:25 <jez> Lol 11:38:32 <jez> Just watched Total Recall for the first time, freaky 11:40:07 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@ip54534322.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 11:46:25 <Eddi|zuHause2> would you recall (:p) me what that movie was about? 11:48:57 <Wolf01> schwarzenegger on mars 11:52:57 <peter1138> recall you? what language is that? 11:53:12 <peter1138> Wolf01: and a 3rd breast, or something 11:53:34 <peter1138> something about instant terraforming 11:56:32 <Wolf01> like on ottd? 11:58:00 <peter1138> more so 11:59:39 <Patrick`> oh crap ... 11:59:47 <Patrick`> I was playing my ottd save last night when I was drunk 12:00:10 <peter1138> haha 12:00:15 <Patrick`> and I did ctrl-clone instead of clone to set up new train stations, so every time I made a new coal pickup I sent every single coal train there 12:01:07 <peter1138> :o 12:02:02 <Patrick`> basically, instead of passenger destinations we need something that emulates the end result but is programmatically simpler. 12:02:45 <Patrick`> currently, if you have half a dozen towns in a line with a train station in each,you make more money passing one train between the two furthest stations and ignoring the ones inbetween. stopping at every single station is amusingly less profitable. 12:02:56 <Patrick`> this needs to be reversed. passenger destinations is one way to do it 12:03:03 <jez> yeah schwarzenegger on mars 12:03:13 <jez> bit too much gratuitous violence, unfortunately 12:03:18 <jez> think that detracted a bit from the storyline 12:03:22 <jez> apart from that cool movie though 12:03:36 <jez> and you dont know whether the whole thing was a memory implanted into him or not, they leave it in suspense 12:04:09 <Patrick`> total recall = win 12:08:58 <Eddi|zuHause2> <peter1138> recall you? what language is that? <- it was not supposed to be correct... it was supposed to be "remind me" but with a play on words 12:10:22 <Eddi|zuHause2> schwarzenegger movies have storylines? 12:13:04 *** gfldex [~dex@dslb-088-074-153-039.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 12:14:57 *** gfldex_ [~dex@dslb-088-074-152-160.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:15:00 <Wolf01> schwarzenegger movies can change between "nice family movie" to "true lies" in a bunch of seconds 12:16:42 <jez> haha 12:16:59 <jez> yeah true lies is ok up until they start doing off and shooting people 12:17:08 <jez> then it descends into just another Rambo 12:27:04 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r12589 /branches/noai/ (7 files in 2 dirs): [NoAI] -Add: GetLastError support for AIBridge. 12:38:18 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-119-5.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:39:24 *** PhoenixII [rdeboom@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 12:39:24 *** Phoenix_the_II [rdeboom@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:39:59 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-119-5.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 12:48:31 <Ammler> how do I protect old revisions (0.5.3) from loading a GRF? 12:50:28 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-119-5.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:50:28 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:51:15 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-119-5.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 12:51:15 <Eddi|zuHause2> by checking the OTTD revision/version from the grf? 12:51:32 *** svippery [~svip@cpe.atm2-0-78233.0x535a2072.boanxx18.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:51:36 <Ammler> thats supported after 0.5.3 :-) 12:51:53 *** svippery [~svip@cpe.atm2-0-78233.0x535a2072.boanxx18.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 12:52:11 <Eddi|zuHause2> exactly, and what value does that return before that was introduced? 12:53:11 <Ammler> hmm, since when is "Fatal Error" (stopping loading) impelmented? 12:53:13 *** larsemil [~larsemil@123-173-96-87.cust.blixtvik.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:54:13 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 12:54:16 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:54:51 <Rubidium> Ammler: see extras/ottd_grf/split/openttd.nfo 12:55:19 <Eddi|zuHause2> you do not necessarily need to generate an error to skip loading the file 12:56:43 <Rubidium> Ammler: extras as in svn://svn.openttd.org/extras 12:56:52 <Ammler> yep, I am there 12:57:04 <Ammler> seems nice commented nfo :-) 12:57:51 <Ammler> I have made a real town names grf with around 2k names and get some segmentations errors 12:58:26 <Ammler> there is no size limit for sprites in nfo? 13:04:49 <Rubidium> there shouldn't 13:05:08 <Rubidium> but if it segfaults, that's bad... maybe glx knows more 13:05:31 <glx> do you know where it segfault? 13:06:08 <Ammler> glx: it segfaults at 0.5.3 13:06:27 <Ammler> but hats not a problem, because that doesn't support New Names anyway 13:06:28 <glx> hmm does 0.5.3 support action F ? 13:06:39 <Ammler> so I just looking to skip it :-) 13:07:39 <Ammler> the nfo Rubidium pointed does help for that 13:10:32 *** nfc [nfc@dsl-hkibrasgw2-fe4dde00-190.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:15:25 *** larsemil [~larsemil@123-173-96-87.cust.blixtvik.se] has joined #openttd 13:16:51 <Ammler> seems to work fine now, thanks Rubidium. Now I am going to check it with current trunk. 13:17:23 <Ammler> Is it wanted, that a Town Names GRF with same Name replaces the builtin Names? 13:18:00 <Eddi|zuHause2> "hÀ?" 13:18:24 <Eddi|zuHause2> (Translation: i don't understand that question, can you rephrase that please?) 13:18:30 <Ammler> :-) 13:18:49 <Ammler> I made a GRF "Swiss", that is already in the ottd source. 13:19:24 <Ammler> but in the GUI list, you find only one Swiss and if you create a map with that, it takes the Names from GRF 13:19:37 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:20:03 <Ammler> Thats fine with me, but I am not sure, if that is wanted by the devs or just a lucky accident :-) 13:20:04 <Eddi|zuHause2> it would be very confusing to have two "Swiss" entries 13:20:43 <Ammler> indeed 13:25:33 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 13:26:15 <peter1138> maybe all GRF town names should be suffixed with (NewGRF) or similar) 13:26:17 <peter1138> -) 13:26:59 *** HerzogDeXtE1 [~Flex@89.246.205.195] has joined #openttd 13:27:25 <jez> GRFville 13:27:33 <Ammler> peter1138: I like the idea with replacing 13:27:47 <peter1138> why did you bring it up then? :p 13:27:47 <Ammler> you can disable the GRF if you want the original 13:28:46 <Ammler> I didn't test, if that also has influence to the name in the CFG 13:30:21 <Ammler> and if you haven't translated info a special language, you have still both 13:30:48 <Ammler> (Swiss and Suiçe or whater ever) 13:31:42 <Ammler> I saw, glx added (GRF) at his examples. 13:31:45 <Forked> dumdidum 13:32:12 <Forked> I really should learn to code.. but gta4 is out soon :\ 13:32:20 <Forked> oh I mean.. err.. meep meep 13:33:37 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.213.121] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:33:47 <Ammler> can I see somehow easy, how many towns are on a map (2048²) 13:35:15 *** llugo [lugo@p4FD5E28E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:39:21 <Eddi|zuHause2> new game, many towns, will show a counter xxx/yyyy generated 13:42:11 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 13:42:11 *** roboman [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:42:13 *** lugo [lugo@p4FD5E132.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:45:03 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-108-75.fttx.bbned.nl] has joined #openttd 13:45:51 <jez> sigh 13:45:53 <jez> monday tomorrow 13:45:59 <jez> weekend seems to have disappeared quickly again 13:47:44 *** Zahl [~Zahl@p549F3165.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 13:50:39 <Mirrakor> like always 13:53:07 <Alberth> Anybody else experiencing crashes with r12588? 13:55:06 <SmatZ> Alberth: what kind of crashes? 13:55:09 <Alberth> oldpool.h:125: T* OldMemoryPool<T>::Get(uint) const [with T = Station]: Assertion `index < this->GetSize()' failed. 13:55:26 <Alberth> http://paste.openttd.org/1882 13:55:31 <Ammler> [15:39] <Eddi|zuHause2> new game, many towns, will show a counter xxx/yyyy generated <-- only if there are so many available 13:56:09 <Eddi|zuHause2> what do you mean with "available"? 13:56:09 <SmatZ> Alberth: yes 13:56:18 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:56:45 *** TheJosh [~josh@d220-238-25-20.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 13:56:52 <SmatZ> seems to happen with AI 13:57:09 <SmatZ> hmm no no no nothing 13:57:12 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@ip54534322.speed.planet.nl] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 13:57:55 <Ammler> Eddi|zuHause2: if a grf has only about 100 Names but it likes to generate about 1000 Names, the GUI says 1000 Names generated 13:58:05 <Ammler> but you only have those 100 Names 13:58:36 <Eddi|zuHause2> you can't easily calculate the number of possible combinations, because you cannot filter duplicates 13:59:52 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm163.epsilon122.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 13:59:55 <Ammler> I was just wondering, if there is possibility _after_ generating, how many towns are on the map 14:00:37 <Eddi|zuHause2> it should be easy code wise, but the town list only shows the total population, afaik 14:00:57 <peter1138> count the list ;) 14:00:58 <Ammler> I have the feeling, I don't get all my Names, something with the probablity is wrong... 14:01:43 <Eddi|zuHause2> after you get close to saturation, the probability to find a new name is quite low 14:02:38 <Ammler> then it will skipped not repeated? 14:02:53 <Ammler> I thought it tries an other time 14:03:03 *** TheJosh [~josh@d220-238-25-20.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:03:26 <Eddi|zuHause2> you pull from the urn with putting back (in case you have multiple parts, the same part may be used again to form another combination) 14:03:52 <Eddi|zuHause2> if you hit a combination that forms a duplicate, you throw it away and try again 14:03:58 <Eddi|zuHause2> but you stop after a few tries 14:04:16 <Eddi|zuHause2> within these tries, you might not find that last possible unused combination 14:04:33 <Ammler> that must be my problem... 14:04:36 <Eddi|zuHause2> so it will not appear in the game 14:04:41 <Ammler> I have NO combinations 14:04:56 <Ammler> only a list with real names 14:05:04 <Eddi|zuHause2> you have combinations with 1 element each 14:05:15 <Eddi|zuHause2> but the game is probably not optimised for this 14:05:56 <Ammler> so you need about 20k possibilities to reach 1k Names 14:06:16 <Eddi|zuHause2> no... definitely not... 14:07:10 <Eddi|zuHause2> mathmatical experiment 14:07:17 <Eddi|zuHause2> say you have a list of 1000 names 14:07:39 <Eddi|zuHause2> and try to generate 100 towns, and get a combination once for each town 14:07:55 <Eddi|zuHause2> first town is 0% chance to hit an existing name 14:08:04 <Eddi|zuHause2> second town is 0.1% for an existing name 14:08:14 <Eddi|zuHause2> third town is 0.2% for an existing name 14:08:44 <Eddi|zuHause2> sum up these probabilities, and you'll get an expected value for the number of "missed out" towns 14:08:49 <Ammler> then I have to adjust probablity better, I feat :/ 14:08:52 <Ammler> fear 14:10:48 <Eddi|zuHause2> assume this probably rises linearly with the number of towns you generated, then the sum will rise with the square of that number 14:11:22 <Eddi|zuHause2> so the closer you get to the maximum number of names, it gets almost impossible to find a new name 14:12:31 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r12590 /branches/noai/src/ai/api/ (ai_airport.cpp ai_bridge.cpp ai_company.cpp ai_error.hpp): [NoAI] -Add: EnforcePrecondition macro to make code much better readable. 14:12:39 <Eddi|zuHause2> but 0/1000+1/1000+2/1000+...+100/1000=5050/1000, so of the first 100 towns, roughly 5 towns don't get a new name 14:12:47 <Eddi|zuHause2> so you end up with 95 towns 14:13:03 <Eddi|zuHause2> example clear? 14:13:40 <Ammler> Eddi|zuHause2: I guess so... 14:14:15 <Ammler> I set the probablity to the well known towns to high, so they was choosen too much 14:14:59 <Eddi|zuHause2> yes, my example was assuming even distribution 14:15:23 <Eddi|zuHause2> the more you divert from that, the less towns you end up with 14:15:52 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause2: it tries a few times per 'town' in generated towns 14:16:01 <Rubidium> with different location and name iirc 14:16:15 <Eddi|zuHause2> yes, i said that, i just simplified it for the example 14:17:47 <Ammler> Rubidium: I had some strange results at the beginning as I set the range of probablity to 32bits, most time only one town was generated 14:18:06 <Ammler> OzTransLtd said something simular for CaNames 14:18:49 <Ammler> now, I summarized all town probablity and use only the needed probablity bits, seems to work 14:19:19 *** nfc [nfc@dsl-hkibrasgw2-fe4dde00-190.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 14:20:13 <Ammler> OzTrans coded canames for both plattforms splitted, he didn't use intermediate sprites. 14:25:26 <peter1138> similar 14:25:30 <peter1138> split 14:27:55 <Alberth> SmatZ: I think I got the problem. In aircraft_cmd.cpp, near line 709: v->current_order.GetDestination()=65535 14:28:27 <Alberth> looks a bit too suspicious :) 14:28:45 <SmatZ> 65535 is 0xFFFF, that is INVALID_ORDER 14:28:54 <SmatZ> or INVALID_DESTINATION 14:28:58 <SmatZ> or something INVALID :) 14:29:28 <SmatZ> Rubidium did changes there today, he will know how to fix it :) 14:30:21 *** roboman [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 14:30:22 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:42:05 *** Volley [~worf@84.119.67.68] has quit [] 14:45:35 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 14:45:36 *** roboman [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:47:32 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i59F54C43.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:50:50 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: smatz * r12591 /trunk/src/ (command.cpp command_type.h): -Codechange: move CommandCost accessors to header file, 8kB of binary size saved 14:50:59 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r12592 /trunk/src/aircraft_cmd.cpp: -Fix (r12580): aircraft's go-to-depot handling is a mess, which assumes destination to be a station even when it did not set a destination yet. 15:09:57 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r12593 /trunk/src/ (17 files in 3 dirs): -Codechange: hide Order's flags in most of the code. 15:10:12 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:10:14 *** roboman [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 15:12:07 *** aleex [alex@muh.cc] has quit [Quit: close(chanfd);] 15:12:29 *** shodan [user@ppp101-219.static.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: Client Exiting] 15:13:29 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-180-213.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 15:27:34 *** lobster [~aap@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 15:32:03 *** Roujin [~Roujin@mnch-4d04c44c.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 15:41:42 *** Mirrakor [~linuser@p57B2F02F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:43:37 <Alberth> (10:59:33 AM) Maedhros: Wolf01: that might be fixed in r12581 <--- in r12593, it is not solved. 15:44:24 <Alberth> The crash on GetDestination() is solved though. Tnx Rubidium 15:47:00 *** yorick [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 15:48:48 *** robotboy [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 15:48:52 *** roboman [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:53:42 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 16:12:37 *** tb2571989 [~tb2571989@nat76.mia.three.co.uk] has joined #openttd 16:13:20 *** tb2571989 [~tb2571989@nat76.mia.three.co.uk] has quit [] 16:23:07 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F559E5.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 16:24:46 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 16:25:21 <Mark> is it not kind of weird owned-land-signs of competitors can be bridged? 16:25:32 <Mark> hmm channel seems pretty in-active 16:37:29 * edeca wakes up 16:37:37 <edeca> Well.. they own the square, not the sky too! :) 16:43:12 <Forked> meep meep.. 16:44:05 <edeca> Hi 16:49:14 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: smatz * r12594 /trunk/src/ (driver.cpp driver.h): -Codechange: move large functions from driver.h to driver.cpp to reduce binary size and compile time 16:53:04 *** Roujin [~Roujin@mnch-4d04c44c.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- The alternative IRC client] 17:04:45 *** amix [Michal@cm-84.208.177.133.getinternet.no] has joined #openttd 17:08:44 <amix> ok. want to report a quiting bug in the morphos version of openttd. 17:08:46 <amix> ***Unfreed signals 00800000! 17:08:59 <Rubidium> tokai ^ 17:09:27 <amix> he claims its not on his side ;p 17:10:55 <Rubidium> he's the only one that might be able to fix it because he has a) knowledge of MorphOS and b) MorphOS (or so I hope) 17:11:40 <amix> I know 17:12:25 <amix> but he says its got to do with openttd, not the morphos version as ive understood it 17:13:22 <peter1138> ... 17:13:41 <Rubidium> if it is OpenTTD you should be able to reproduce it on non-MorphOS 17:14:15 <Rubidium> as long as I do not hear about the same bug from someone running non-MorphOS, the only assumption I can make is that it has be something MorphOS specific 17:14:25 *** pavel1269 [~pavel.g@48.140.broadband2.iol.cz] has quit [] 17:15:53 <Rubidium> ah, it seems like it's something with SDL 17:22:41 <edeca> Argh, why doesn't a station near a power station accept oil (newgrf with ECS) 17:24:36 <Eddi|zuHause2> ECS does not make all power plants accept oil 17:24:48 <amix> Rubidium: SDL? 17:25:10 <Rubidium> the library used for graphics stuff 17:26:15 <amix> ahh 17:26:24 <amix> SDL for morphos or all? 17:27:42 <Rubidium> only MorphOS 17:27:53 <edeca> Eddi|zuHause2: Ar, annoying. It has a queue space for it, that's all 17:27:53 <Rubidium> or it isn't as chatty with other versions 17:29:00 <amix> oki 17:29:33 <Rubidium> amix: anyhow, exiting an application means: OS please clean up my mess because you know what I took *and* because you have to do it in case other applications do not clean up everything 17:29:53 <amix> :) 17:30:01 <Rubidium> closing everything 'nicely' from OpenTTD would cause the closing of OpenTTD take a bit longer and then the OS has to recheck everything anyways 17:30:15 <amix> well 17:30:21 <amix> there isnt any freeze 17:30:34 <amix> just that tokai dosent like bugs i guess 17:32:18 <Rubidium> the support for MorphOS at the moment is so messy that it's not even likely that there'll be a 0.7.0 version for MorphOS, unless MorphOS releases a newer compiler and such. 17:33:14 <Rubidium> (read: quite horrible hacks are currently done to make MorphOS create a working binary, but that's likely not enough to get 0.7.0 running based on what might go into 0.7.0) 17:33:56 <edeca> ECS definitely make the game harder :) 17:34:47 <amix> Rubidium: http://www.tv7norge.com/Amiga/panelfix.png 17:34:52 <amix> my morphos desktop 17:34:53 <amix> ;) 17:34:59 <amix> using it everyday 17:35:04 <edeca> I can usually break even in a few years and make millions.. ECS I am running at about 2:1 profit:cost 17:35:44 <amix> Rubidium: new graphics stuff into 0.7.0 ? 17:36:37 <Rubidium> amix: no, just code cleanups (use of templates that gcc 2.95 doesn't understand) 17:36:45 <Rubidium> and NoAI is a nice example of that 17:36:51 <Rubidium> won't compile with gcc 2.95 17:37:00 <amix> ok 17:37:22 <edeca> That's a very old GCC though :) 17:37:35 *** planetmaker [~chatzilla@Fcf0c.f.ppp-pool.de] has joined #openttd 17:37:47 <Rubidium> well, that's the whole problems with MorphOS 17:39:17 <amix> what version of gcc does openttd need? 17:39:41 <Rubidium> for NoAI I guess 3.3+ 17:39:59 <amix> i dont know what morphos 2.0 will support 17:40:22 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl51B7894F.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 17:42:21 <amix> Rubidium: without sounding as a morphos fanboy or anything like that. to be honest, ive never experienced better gameplay on other oses. morphos version seems to be the most stable version ive tried of winxp, osx and morphos. 17:46:31 <Sacro> do i need a ppc for morphos? 17:46:41 <amix> yes 17:46:57 <amix> Efika or Pegasos, PegasosII 17:47:25 <amix> later on maybe ppc macs 17:47:37 <amix> but this is something tokai knows more about 17:47:44 <amix> as he is a morphos developer 17:47:45 <amix> ;p 17:48:45 <Rubidium> there hasn't even been any MorphOS related chatter on the gcc website for more than 3.5 years 17:49:06 <Rubidium> so not quite encouraging for a gcc >= 3 for MorphOS 17:50:17 <Rubidium> and the MorphOS website(s) aren't exactly user friendly 17:50:32 <amix> http://developer.morphosppc.com/ 17:50:36 <amix> there is all 17:50:47 <amix> morphos people kinda keep things silent i guess 17:51:05 *** sHELL [~dah@ip51cfa249.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #openttd 17:54:22 <Rubidium> amix: that site sucks; there are exactly 0 projects, a forum with three posts in the last 2 years, there is exactly 1 development tool (sounds a little scarce), the 'library' has a 50% chance of showing empty 'categories' and the other 50% has 1-3 posts from before october 2003 17:55:35 <amix> http://www.morphos-news.de/ 17:55:37 <amix> better? 17:55:38 <amix> _;p 17:55:50 <amix> or www.morphzone.org 17:56:07 <amix> and you have www.aminet.net 17:56:17 <amix> which is one of worlds biggest file archives 17:57:51 <Rubidium> wow... signs of a gcc 4 17:58:06 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a41673.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 17:58:09 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 17:59:03 <amix> Rubidium: when mos2.0 releases. people will come back to the platform 17:59:08 <amix> it will be active again 17:59:19 <Bjarni> wtf is mos2.0? 17:59:20 <peter1138> morphos is dead 17:59:20 <amix> as it is now, its pretty community driven more or less 17:59:35 <Bjarni> ahh MorphOS 17:59:47 <amix> Bjarni: ;) 17:59:59 <Bjarni> in order to at least have a chance it has to have a fully working GCC 4 18:00:09 <Bjarni> otherwise porting is too hard 18:00:35 <Rubidium> Bjarni: why do you promise that it is portable? 18:00:35 <Bjarni> and then the platform will lack apps 18:00:59 <Bjarni> Rubidium: I don't 18:01:12 <Rubidium> porting is too hard != porting is impossible 18:01:36 <Bjarni> oh right 18:01:40 <Bjarni> I stand corrected 18:02:43 <Patrick`> I thought openttd was already on morphos 18:03:08 <Rubidium> Patrick`: it is, but it's a hack to get it working 18:03:14 <Patrick`> ah. 18:03:20 <Patrick`> since the switch to c++ or always? 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20:58:48 <thgergo> what the hell is that? 20:58:59 <thgergo> incredible 21:00:12 <Rubidium> a sink hole 21:00:24 <Rubidium> probably due to a leaking sewer pipe 21:00:33 <Sacro> bloody hell 21:00:41 <Sacro> DIV/0 21:01:08 <Wolf01> I have one of these under my house, tomorrow I might not me here O_O 21:01:43 <Rubidium> http://www.ordena.com/digg/sinkhole.html <- more pictures (of another sinkhole) 21:01:46 <Sacro> Wolf01: meh, you'll be fine 21:03:36 <Wolf01> think about how much time you take to dig that hole with ordinary machinery... just forget a leak and the water does it for you :P 21:04:43 <Wolf01> and now... they'll fill it? 21:05:12 <Digitalfox> How can a Hole of that size happen without people noticing it days before? Like little holes, any shaking, etc.. ?? :\ 21:05:49 <Digitalfox> And where does the land go? 21:06:20 <Wolf01> the water digs out the land, transform it to sand and carry it to the sea 21:06:33 <Digitalfox> It's amazing the size of it, I can't even see the end of it :| 21:06:38 <Wolf01> or in Australia 21:06:43 *** De_Ghosty [~s@CPE0050ba8caf2c-CM0011aec4b06a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:07:08 <Digitalfox> But wolf01 are there any river below that hole? 21:07:13 *** De_Ghosty [~s@CPE0050ba8caf2c-CM0011aec4b06a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #openttd 21:07:28 <Digitalfox> It's just so many land it has to take :\ 21:07:59 <Wolf01> maybe not, as Rubidium said is enough a leak on a pipe... larger is the pipe, quick is the work of the water 21:08:22 *** THM-SFG [~carstenr@dslb-088-074-003-138.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 21:08:36 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 21:09:17 <peter1138> hmm, that's big 21:09:25 <THM-SFG> ... 21:09:56 <Rubidium> Digitalfox: it just takes very long before the hole is so big that the ground above the hole is so weak that it collapse. In that long period a lot of soil can be moved by a leaking sewer pipe. 21:11:40 <Wolf01> "very long", not so many years, if the rock is weak, the water consume it quickly enough to have such hole in 10 years 21:13:19 <Digitalfox> And when a hole of that size appears can it be filled with land? 21:13:41 <Digitalfox> I mean just land? 21:15:09 <Wolf01> maybe... but I won't build anything over it 21:17:36 <Wolf01> (I think they used to fill it with asbest, plutonium, scrap cars, dead livestock and desaparecidos) 21:17:51 <sHELL> oh... big holes 21:18:46 <sHELL> kinda suprising it does not cave in or something 21:19:03 <peter1138> well it has... 21:19:15 <sHELL> yes.. but the surounding area 21:19:42 <sHELL> I mean, cave in any further 21:24:26 <Wolf01> doesn't that is enough? 21:24:33 <peter1138> pardon? 21:24:55 <Wolf01> it is enough big 21:25:11 <Wolf01> or big enough 21:26:28 <sHELL> hmmm gues the earth is a bit diffrent then what I am used to 21:26:33 <sHELL> earth... ground 21:26:34 <sHELL> whatever 21:26:41 <Wolf01> soil 21:26:45 <sHELL> ah yeah 21:27:20 <sHELL> here its always sand... if there would be a hole in my hometown, the entire town would disapear because verything would cave in until its leveld 21:27:56 <sHELL> anyway 21:27:57 <sHELL> bed time 21:28:01 *** sHELL [~dah@ip51cfa249.direct-adsl.nl] has quit [] 21:28:06 <Wolf01> ok, seem that I can't put two words together in italian too 21:28:21 <Wolf01> bed time for me too 21:28:25 <Wolf01> 'night 21:28:35 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host177-232-dynamic.30-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 21:30:23 <Sacro> 4. spelen. geen crack nodig. <- thoughts? 21:33:10 <Rubidium> should I express them directly? 21:34:00 <Sacro> Rubidium: why not 21:34:17 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B776A1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:34:18 <Sacro> i think it says "4. play. no crack needed." 21:34:20 <Sacro> but i'm not sure 21:34:50 <Mark> Sacro: youre right 21:36:03 <Rubidium> another of Sacro's suggestive sentences... 21:43:35 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B76D43.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:54:36 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r12595 /trunk/src/ (order_base.h order_cmd.cpp order_gui.cpp): -Codechange: hide Order's flags in the last few cases. 22:01:04 <Eddi|zuHause> "4. spielen, kein crack nötig." ... it's not THAT hard to translate... 22:08:21 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause: well i was fine up until nötig 22:08:28 <Sacro> could mean anything D: 22:10:07 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@p5499E61C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: dR3x4cK] 22:11:18 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:12:03 *** UserErr0r [~User@c-98-202-77-105.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 22:14:59 <ln> where is this world going if a second generation fascist cannot have a nazi-themed orgy without losing his job? 22:15:08 *** UserError [~User@c-98-202-77-105.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:15:56 *** Gekz [~brendan@121.218.49.21] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 22:18:27 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 22:18:27 *** svip [~svip@cpe.atm2-0-78233.0x535a2072.boanxx18.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:18:57 *** svip [~svip@cpe.atm2-0-78233.0x535a2072.boanxx18.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 22:20:57 *** llugo [lugo@p4FD5E28E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:25:23 *** divo [~asd@x1-6-00-18-39-d3-e9-f6.k899.webspeed.dk] has quit [Quit: Quitting] 22:31:44 *** XeryusTC is now known as Xeryus|bnc 22:32:33 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r12596 /trunk/src/ (9 files in 2 dirs): -Feature: show what cargos a station could be supplied with. Patch by Roujin. 22:33:25 <Patrick`> ooh, shiny 22:51:57 *** Frostregen_ [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-140-101.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 22:52:08 <Zuu> Nice to see that patch hit trunk :) 22:52:40 <Osai> ?dih noch wach? 22:54:23 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:57:40 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-161-015.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:58:07 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 23:00:44 *** sudsnbuds [~sudsnbuds@c-68-43-139-98.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 23:00:48 *** Slowpoke [~Lobster@dslb-088-073-219-013.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 23:00:53 *** sudsnbuds [~sudsnbuds@c-68-43-139-98.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has left #openttd [] 23:02:33 *** Mirrakor [~linuser@p57B2F02F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:08:02 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r12597 /branches/noai/ (133 files in 12 dirs): [NoAI] -Sync: with trunk r12501:12596. 23:15:51 *** jez [farscape@87-194-212-214.bethere.co.uk] has quit [] 23:21:40 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl51B7894F.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:24:32 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-180-213.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:37:05 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-363c71d5.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:40:01 *** elmex [~elmex@85.180.67.0] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:42:22 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r12598 /branches/ (MiniIN/ cargo-packets/ coopetition/ map/ mempool/): [Several] -Remove some obsolete and (thus) stale branches. 23:43:07 <SmatZ> RIP MiniIN :-( 23:44:06 *** Osai is now known as Osai^zZz 23:46:02 <Ammler> RIP coopetition :-) 23:49:22 *** Belugas_Gone [~jfranc@ip-8.84.126.206.dsl-cust.ca.inter.net] has joined #openttd 23:49:58 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: smatz * r12599 /trunk/ (16 files in 3 dirs): -Codechange: force AllocateSafeRaw() to be linked to simplify compiler's decisions about inlining 23:50:45 <SmatZ> Ammler: what was the meaning of coopetition? 23:51:25 <SmatZ> to include some patches for openttdcoop? 23:52:52 <Ammler> SmatZ: http://www.openttdcoop.org/wiki/Coopetition_Branch_Proposals 23:53:27 <Ammler> http://www.openttdcoop.org/wiki/Coopetition 23:53:40 <Ammler> competition in teams 23:54:19 <SmatZ> http://hg.openttd.org:8000/svn/coopetition.hg/ I do not see any commited changes 23:54:35 <Ammler> I guess, there is only the branch 23:54:46 <Ammler> Truelight had some patches 23:55:01 <Eddi|zuHause> ln: next thing you start talking about second generation pedophiles or something... you definitely deserve a big slap for this 23:57:21 <Ammler> SmatZ: the date of creating the branch was almost same as death of it 23:57:40 <Ammler> but the idea is still cool :-) 23:57:43 <SmatZ> yeah 23:58:10 <Ammler> some guys also programmed a ladder system 23:58:23 <SmatZ> :-)