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00:00:26 <Zuu> I'm going to have nightmares about 425 :p 00:01:08 <SmatZ> :-D 00:02:10 *** lolEee [~john@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 00:02:13 <Zuu> The fact that 42 the answer of universe is in it does not make it better :p 00:03:32 *** mynetdude is now known as mynetdude|Away 00:06:27 <Eddi|zuHause3> maybe you'll find out in 7.5 million years ;) 00:08:05 *** Volley [~worf@84.119.65.133] has quit [] 00:14:29 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause3: THE THIRD? 00:14:32 <Sacro> HOW DID YOU GET THERE? 00:14:41 <Eddi|zuHause3> BY SOLVING 00:14:43 <Eddi|zuHause3> THE SECOND 00:14:59 <glx> but now I'm stuck on the third 00:15:07 <Eddi|zuHause3> dumb question, really ;) 00:15:50 <SmatZ> :) 00:16:33 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause3: what is the solution? 00:16:39 <Fiddler> is 2nd one so obvious that any hint would make it too easy ? 00:16:51 <Eddi|zuHause3> yes 00:17:12 <glx> not that obvious 00:17:38 <Sacro> HELP MEEEEEEEEEEE >< 00:23:33 <Fiddler> hmmm... glx wrote "openttd.cpp:425 can be many things"... 00:25:22 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 00:27:04 <Zuu> but only one is correct.. 00:28:43 <Fiddler> ... and we also need to know what revision to use 00:31:53 <Sacro> Don't suppose anyone here has done any XNA? 00:33:37 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B76143.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:36:01 <Zuu> hmm, by the way why use strcpy and not strncpy in openttd.cpp? guess there is a reason that i will find out if I look around a bit.. :) 00:36:28 <glx> where? 00:37:03 <Zuu> r10000, line 429 00:38:27 <glx> sometimes we use strcpy, sometimes strncpy 00:38:35 <Zuu> Where the argument of -g is copied to _file_to_saveload.name 00:39:50 <Zuu> have not looked yet, could be that the cli arguments are clamped to a certain length before strcpy. 00:40:01 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B75854.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:40:11 *** lolEee [~john@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:41:58 <glx> I won't bet on that 00:43:00 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-177-70.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:49:04 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-363c71d5.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:09:11 *** mynetdude|Away is now known as mynetdude 01:09:52 *** Fiddler [~d5db9813@webuser.thegrebs.com] has quit [Quit: TheGrebs.com CGI:IRC] 01:13:05 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-62-167-31-193.adslplus.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:14:22 *** mynetdude [~mynetdude@208.74.131.93] has quit [Quit: Peace and Protection 4.22.2] 01:16:29 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.217.232] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:29:10 *** mynetdude [~mynetdude@208.74.131.93] has joined #openttd 02:12:48 *** mynetdude is now known as mynetdude|Away 02:16:51 *** Hendikins [~wolfox@124.189.3.149] has joined #openttd 02:27:47 *** Nite [~anonym@62.178.193.175] has joined #openttd 02:27:52 <Nite> Hi! 02:34:24 *** Nite [~anonym@62.178.193.175] has quit [Quit: Dana] 02:42:01 *** nicfer [~chatzilla@168.226.104.185] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:59:37 <DaleStan> peter1138: How does one tell when the list in prop 11 is finished? 02:59:51 <DaleStan> *feature 08 prop 11 02:59:59 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 03:11:12 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-88-79.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Quit: The ending changes tone & is actually quite sad - but it involves a scene of necrophilia, so that's just another plus in my book.....] 03:18:10 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-88-79.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 03:36:19 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@pool-71-98-88-27.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 03:36:20 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest2198 03:36:20 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 03:42:52 *** Guest2198 [~Dale@pool-71-98-88-27.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:15:30 *** Osai^zZz`off is now known as Osai 04:30:45 *** mindlesstux [~mindlesst@2001:470:88e0:53a:250:2cff:fe07:ff2c] has joined #openttd 04:51:23 *** xkrchnav [~xkrchnav@ro-chr.netdatacomm.cz] has joined #openttd 04:53:45 *** Osai is now known as Osai`off 05:49:45 <peter1138> DaleStan: hmm, described wrong... it's one entry per 'id' 06:06:31 *** mynetdude|Away is now known as mynetdude 06:11:51 <ln> what's wrong with austrians? 06:13:16 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@p5499C8C0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 06:13:56 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@p5499C8C0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 06:14:22 *** Chicago_Rail_Authority [~somewhere@c-68-40-40-232.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:14:50 *** Roest [~ralph@p54B9D82E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 06:15:05 <Roest> morning 06:16:49 *** Gekz [~brendan@121.218.75.100] has joined #openttd 06:23:55 *** Zahl [~Zahl@p549F18CC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 06:24:24 <Zahl> openttd support in xfire? nice one :-D 06:25:39 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-363c71d5.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 06:26:18 *** Zuu is now known as Guest2212 06:28:09 <mynetdude> Zahl yeah :) 06:29:48 *** Guest2212 is now known as Zuu 06:46:27 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@adsl-58.36.Static.ssp.fi] has joined #openttd 06:48:39 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 07:00:53 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B8203C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:01:52 *** Zahl [~Zahl@p549F18CC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: (~_~]"] 07:02:35 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B817EA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 07:02:38 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 07:02:45 <Roest> $%§/&§ 07:04:00 <Alberth> I see 07:04:50 *** mikl [~mikl@0304ds2-ba.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Quit: my Mac is sleeping...] 07:05:05 <Roest> that's exactly what i mean 07:05:35 *** elmex [~elmex@e180064038.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 07:12:17 <Roest> lol nice post 07:12:18 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r12917 /trunk/src/ (5 files): -Codechange: standardise variable names called with FOR_ALL_ENGINEIDS_OF_TYPE 07:12:36 <Roest> "I do have a couple of game related issues that I think are bugs in trunk (checking those details now). " 07:12:54 <Alberth> yeh, unfortunately, he is not telling what the bugs are 07:13:15 <Roest> coming from someone who couldn't even get buildottd to run 07:13:48 <Alberth> maybe they have to do with the win9x build that is not done any more as i understand 07:14:08 <Alberth> we watch and learn :) 07:21:02 *** yorick [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 07:21:27 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 07:22:16 *** stillunk1own [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 07:22:26 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [] 07:22:59 *** stillunk1own [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [] 07:23:44 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 07:24:32 <Roest> I would report this on flyspray but I don't have a login... 07:24:38 <Roest> :) 07:25:28 <yorick> report what? 07:26:35 <Roest> omg now he found me too 07:26:52 <Roest> yorick: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=37370 07:27:06 <Roest> but i can confirm this bug, just tried it 07:27:57 <yorick> @commit 12914 07:27:57 <DorpsGek> yorick: Commit by peter1138 :: r12914 trunk/src/newgrf_engine.cpp (2008-04-28 11:15:13 UTC) 07:27:58 <DorpsGek> yorick: -Fix: Game crash when a spectator/server tried to show an engine with no owner when a NewGRF requested a specific variable. 07:28:35 <yorick> hmm...another autoptr problem? 07:30:09 <yorick> it is available, but I can't build it 07:31:58 *** mynetdude is now known as mynetdude|Away 07:35:36 *** sickie88 [~sickie@BSN-210-251-71.dial-up.dsl.siol.net] has joined #openttd 07:37:58 <yorick> @calc 19-11 07:37:58 <DorpsGek> yorick: 8 07:38:31 <Roest> that's surely an equation you need a computer for 07:38:58 <yorick> it seemed that openttd calculated it wrongly, so just a double-check 07:40:08 <yorick> heh, it's a oneliner 07:40:26 <yorick> "<" --> "<=" 07:42:54 <yorick> introduced in r12769 07:43:19 <yorick> 12679* 07:46:17 <ln> Roest: is that an equation? 07:46:30 <Roest> go away 07:50:35 <SpComb> Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd 07:50:35 <Zuu> !logs 07:50:54 <yorick> morning Zuu 07:53:49 <Zuu> yorick: good morning 08:01:06 *** mikl [~mikl@adsl.peytz.dk] has joined #openttd 08:08:46 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:15:49 <Roest> argh 08:18:00 <yorick> what? 08:18:23 <Roest> it's not doing what i want it to do 08:18:42 <yorick> what's not? 08:18:53 <Roest> doing your request on the newgrf window 08:19:57 <yorick> :) 08:20:18 <yorick> should make a button: "show all newgrfs" / "show only addable grfs" 08:21:11 <Roest> actually i see no reason to show all grfs 08:21:37 <yorick> imagine a multiplayer server 08:21:49 <yorick> and you want to list your grfs to see what aren't compatible 08:22:22 <yorick> and btw, should use another string for >> and << buttons, because this one is also used for add and remove in other languages 08:22:30 <yorick> so it isn't language-compatible 08:22:54 <Roest> meh i hate you and your totally reasonable requests 08:23:04 <Roest> i know 08:23:10 <yorick> =) 08:23:22 <Roest> but then it's original nycom design, but he seems to have abandoned it 08:24:03 <yorick> he did before ;) 08:24:15 <yorick> his first patch was somewhere around 2007 08:24:27 <yorick> he didn't update it until 2008, methinks 08:26:57 <peter1138> http://fuzzle.org/webcam.html :o 08:27:45 <yorick> does it refresh every minute? 08:27:48 <peter1138> nope 08:27:54 <yorick> the picture, that is, not the page 08:28:31 <peter1138> ok, now it does 08:29:07 * yorick got a picture of the transport tycoon cd 08:29:27 <yorick> better :) 08:29:45 <Roest> could please smile intot he camera? 08:29:49 <Roest> could you* 08:30:16 <peter1138> god my arm looks strange :o 08:30:40 <yorick> !peter1138: dosmile camera 08:32:26 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@p5499DB24.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:33:05 * yorick pats peter1138 08:34:46 <yorick> "the dark side of peter1138!" 08:34:46 <peter1138> heh, two clocks 08:36:35 <yorick> are you gonna keep that webcam? 08:37:31 * yorick sees him thinking 08:37:41 <peter1138> wellllll 08:42:49 <blindcoder> hey all. I've asked a few days ago about updating from electric to monorail trains without rebuilding all trains and routes. I now just patched my source tree to allow converting railways even if trains are on it and autoreplacing electric to monorail trains. 08:43:20 <yorick> oh, another one 08:43:54 <yorick> for normal -> electric: send trains into depot, drag convert tool over it, and use autoreplace to convert trains if you like 08:44:05 <yorick> for electric -> monorail: what about newgrfs? 08:44:56 <blindcoder> yeah, normal -> electric woorked fine, of course 08:45:08 <Alberth> newgrfs do updating too? 08:45:29 <blindcoder> what do you mean "what about newgrfs"? 08:47:42 <peter1138> for electric to monorail... do it manually 08:47:47 <Alberth> blindcoder: Why do you allow converting tracks when a train is on it? with 'normal' to 'electric' I can imagine, since 'normal' trains also run on electric, but non-monorail doesn't run on monorail afaik 08:47:58 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-17-149.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 08:48:03 <yorick> newgrfs may completely disable monorail 08:48:10 <yorick> or remove certain vehicles? 08:48:19 <blindcoder> Alberth: yes, but I want to upgrade my existing electric network to monorail 08:48:25 <blindcoder> Alberth: so I send all my trains into depots now 08:48:32 <blindcoder> Alberth: update my whole network to monorail 08:48:34 <Alberth> yorick: just the engines is enough :) 08:48:42 <blindcoder> Alberth: autoreplace all my trains to monorail 08:48:47 <blindcoder> Alberth: and send them back on the track 08:48:52 <yorick> yes, what if newgrfs remove engines? 08:49:12 <Alberth> yorick: enough to disable monorail 08:49:20 <blindcoder> doesn''t really matter, does it? I basically just removed the check if the trains can run on the tracks 08:49:22 <Alberth> blindcoder: what's wrong with this approach? 08:49:26 <yorick> what if they only remove some? 08:49:41 <blindcoder> Alberth: it doesn't work with 0.6.0 without changing the source code :) 08:50:45 <peter1138> Alberth: wagons are rail type specific too ;) 08:51:03 <blindcoder> Alberth: with 0.6.0 if I have trains in the depot, i can't update the depot from electric to monorail 08:51:14 <blindcoder> Alberth: and I can't update electric trains to monorail trains 08:51:15 <peter1138> hmm, so if you figured out a way around it, what's the problem? 08:51:33 <yorick> except you shouldn't expect for the devs to include your patch 08:51:41 <blindcoder> Alberth: BUT I don't want to recreate all trains and manually program the routes againnnn 08:51:47 <blindcoder> yorick: I don't, really. 08:51:48 <Alberth> blindcoder: I like my trains to be type-specific 08:52:08 <yorick> you don't have to, if you remove a train, replace the depot, make a train, it recieves the same orders 08:52:14 *** sickie88 [~sickie@BSN-210-251-71.dial-up.dsl.siol.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:52:25 <blindcoder> yorick: it does? 08:52:31 <yorick> yes 08:52:40 <yorick> since a few revs, maybe even the economical data 08:52:53 <yorick> but I'm not entirely sure on that one 08:52:58 <blindcoder> yorick: so basically, move train to depot, sell train, demolish depot, build new depot, build new train? 08:53:05 <Alberth> does that also work when removing multiple trains? 08:53:56 <peter1138> no, one at a time 08:54:03 <Alberth> peter1138: ah, I never get that far in the game 08:54:46 <Alberth> so build one depot for each train then ;) 08:54:52 <yorick> no, you have to upgrade the depot 08:54:55 <yorick> not remove ;) 08:55:05 <yorick> just use the convert track tool on it after removing the train 08:55:08 <peter1138> have two depots 08:55:11 <peter1138> the old one and a new one 08:55:19 <peter1138> delete a vehicle, build a vehicle 08:55:22 <peter1138> etc etc 08:55:26 <peter1138> (not fun, of course) 08:55:36 <peter1138> personally i just upgrade bits of the network in stages 08:55:41 <peter1138> or just run a separate network 08:56:31 <Alberth> mono is so much faster, you'd waste resources by simply copying the old situation imho 08:56:49 <yorick> personally I just skip monorail 08:56:53 <yorick> and go for maglev 08:57:34 <peter1138> that too :) 08:58:03 <peter1138> Alberth: faster depends on what newgrfs you have in use... 08:58:48 <Alberth> none, usually :) 09:00:39 <blindcoder> I'm also playing without newgrfs here on my older game. my newer game has enhanced construction vectors in it, but no vehicle newgrfs 09:03:39 <peter1138> i wonder if just setting the rail type compatibility flags has the appropriate effect 09:06:20 <yorick> docs.openttd.org has a small bug 09:07:59 <blindcoder> peter1138: not exactly, because that would enable electric rails to run on monorail tracks, wouldn't it? 09:12:17 <peter1138> which is what you want 09:12:30 <peter1138> to let you upgrade them 09:12:45 <peter1138> ok... she said "fuck. i want one." ... what was i supposed to reply with... 09:13:01 <yorick> :D 09:14:11 *** xkrchnav [~xkrchnav@ro-chr.netdatacomm.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:14:35 <peter1138> well she certainly blushed a lot... 09:14:35 <blindcoder> hmm, yeah, would have been easier than to remove to compatibility checks from the upgrade and autoreplace mechanism :) 09:15:40 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 09:17:44 <yorick> you can close FS64; duplicate of 1963 09:19:26 *** shodan [user@ppp101-219.static.internode.on.net] has joined #openttd 09:20:12 <Roest> ok yorick, do you really want such a button :/ 09:20:37 <yorick> yes 09:20:51 <yorick> how else can I check some checksums with other grfs loaded 09:20:51 <yorick> ? 09:20:55 <Roest> i knew you'd say that 09:21:02 <yorick> then why do you ask? 09:21:08 <Roest> false hope 09:21:19 <yorick> :) 09:21:45 <Roest> also i wonder why the window update is so sluggish 09:21:58 <yorick> because its microsoft 09:22:00 <yorick> and its windows 09:22:11 <yorick> and its gdi 09:22:27 <yorick> and its because you havent done InvalidateWindow? 09:22:36 <Roest> no i mean the update of that grf window 09:22:48 <yorick> yes, what update is so sluggish? 09:23:07 <yorick> redrawing of the window only happens when you click it, you mean 09:23:10 <yorick> only partially? 09:23:13 <Roest> yes 09:23:23 <yorick> you'll have to mark it dirty ;) 09:23:33 <Roest> i know, it's there 09:24:02 <yorick> let me see? 09:24:14 <Roest> or wait, maybe he forgot it somewhere 09:25:20 <Roest> haha gotcha sucker 09:25:45 <yorick> where? 09:25:48 <shodan> cool 09:25:51 * Alberth Roest goes in for the kill 09:25:54 <shodan> XFire now tracks openttd 09:26:02 *** User [~User@c-98-202-77-105.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 09:26:05 <yorick> true 09:26:16 <yorick> a few weeks ago 09:26:29 <shodan> I'd sent an email in the past requesting it 09:26:34 <shodan> but like, many months ago 09:26:38 *** User is now known as Guest2225 09:26:42 <shodan> i guess a few other people did too 09:28:17 <Roest> http://stinfwww.informatik.uni-leipzig.de/~mai03gex/Bildschirmphoto1.png 09:29:37 <Roest> still needs some work, but it's getting there 09:29:46 <Alberth> wow, looking good! 09:30:09 <yorick> :) 09:30:21 <yorick> should truncate 09:30:44 <Alberth> shouldn't the right side have a 'installed NewGRFs' title? 09:31:05 <Roest> yea it actually uses DoDrawStringTruncated but i guess the formula is wrong 09:33:12 <Roest> hrmpf alberth :P 09:33:17 *** UserError [~User@c-98-202-77-105.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:33:50 <peter1138> often those things are set to use the window width 09:34:01 <peter1138> instead of the widget width 09:34:28 *** Osai`off is now known as Osai 09:35:57 * yorick has fixed 3 bugs the last 7 days, and only one made it into trunk :( 09:36:43 <peter1138> hmm? 09:37:03 <yorick> fs#1890, fs#1963 09:42:22 <Alberth> 6 desktops and still not enough space... 09:52:06 *** Leviath [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 09:52:20 <peter1138> and the third one? heh 09:53:07 * Hendikins hrms, and wishes a decent version for Windows Mobile existed. 09:53:27 <Hendikins> I could kill many hours playing it on my Palm Treo if it actually worked properly. 09:54:36 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F55AD0.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 09:59:12 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 10:05:03 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Quit: Ik ga weg] 10:11:10 <yorick> Roest, how is progress going? 10:12:15 <Roest> added the button, have to do the logic behind now, the truncate gives me trouble, no matter what i put there for the right border it doesnt truncate 10:12:48 <Roest> DoDrawStringTruncated(text, w->widget[NLW_WIDGET_FILE_LIST].left + txtoffset, y + 2, WP(w, newgrf_d).sel_r == c ? TC_WHITE : TC_BLACK, w->widget[NLW_WIDGET_FILE_LIST].right); 10:13:33 <yorick> maybe you should get the width? 10:14:29 <peter1138> yes 10:14:32 <peter1138> you need right - left 10:14:56 <yorick> nt DoDrawStringTruncated(const char *str, int x, int y, uint16 color, uint maxw) 10:15:46 <yorick> DoDrawStringTruncated(text, w->widget[NLW_WIDGET_FILE_LIST].left + txtoffset, y + 2, WP(w, newgrf_d).sel_r == c ? TC_WHITE : TC_BLACK, w->widget[NLW_WIDGET_FILE_LIST].right - w->widget[NLW_WIDGET_FILE_LIST].left); 10:18:36 <yorick> can't you better do Widget *w = w->widget[NLW_WIDGET_FILE_LIST]? 10:18:58 <yorick> hmm 10:19:02 <yorick> wrong name :p 10:21:08 <Rubidium> yorick: your fix for FS#1963 is wrong (even though it works) 10:21:24 <yorick> what's wrong? 10:21:34 <Rubidium> the value of BAW_COUNT 10:22:03 <Rubidium> *if* there would only be one airport, the count would be 0 10:22:13 <Rubidium> if there would be 2 airports, the count would be 1 10:26:37 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r12918 /trunk/src/airport_gui.cpp: -Fix [FS#1963] (r12679): last airport would always be shown as buildable even when it was not. 10:30:37 <yorick> adn FS#1890? any comments on that one? 10:33:07 <Roest> ok updated the screenshot http://stinfwww.informatik.uni-leipzig.de/~mai03gex/Bildschirmphoto1.png 10:34:10 <yorick> :) 10:34:30 <yorick> now the drag-drop as with orders :p 10:34:56 <Roest> :P 10:35:51 <peter1138> heh 10:36:23 <peter1138> you've cropped too much now ;) 10:38:05 <Roest> yea had an additional -10, thats gone now 10:43:09 <yorick> peter1138 should stop breaking his own patches with trunk changes 10:47:59 <ln> what the hell is wrong with austrians? 10:48:13 <yorick> dunno? 10:48:16 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D583.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:48:41 <yorick> http://fuzzle.org/webcam.jpg <-- you mean this one? 10:49:22 <ln> err, no 10:50:35 * peter1138 hides yorick in a cellar 10:51:20 * yorick gets 7 children from peter1138 10:55:56 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 10:56:41 * yorick sees one of the children dieing and 3 being taken away 10:57:44 * Roest eats yoricks children 10:58:33 <ln> yorick: english only. 10:58:35 <ln> Roest: english only. 10:59:08 <yorick> ln: AND NO LNs!!! 10:59:34 <Roest> i guess i have to find the ignore option in this irc thing here 11:00:03 <yorick> just do /ignore +ln 11:00:18 <yorick> the only thing he says is english only. 11:00:23 <ln> Roest: English only is ordered in the topic, not by me. 11:00:36 <yorick> and whats not english about this? 11:00:45 <yorick> and what says that you should be cop? 11:01:16 <ln> the topic does not (currently) say "should not be enforced by ln". 11:01:50 <yorick> it doesn't say the opposite, does it? 11:02:08 <yorick> peter1138, feel free to add that one 11:02:11 <Roest> well since english isn't my native language and i was under the impression i used it, please show where i did not 11:02:35 <yorick> he hates apostrophes that are missing ;) 11:02:40 <yorick> yorick's* 11:02:50 <Roest> lawl 11:03:11 <Roest> apparantly he is a bigger idiot than i thought then 11:04:14 *** xkrchnav [xkrchnav@wired-179.fi.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 11:08:18 <yorick> I'm spotting another one on the fuzzlecam 11:08:49 <yorick> pointing at the screen 11:15:52 *** Frostregen_ [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-137-237.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 11:15:53 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-177-137.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:16:02 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 11:16:52 <Roest> hi frosti 11:21:25 *** Leviath [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:28:22 *** gfldex [~dex@dslb-088-074-173-184.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 11:30:16 *** gfldex_ [~dex@dslb-092-078-011-105.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:43:47 <ln> Roest: who are you to call other people idiots? 11:46:48 <Roest> i'm just me, but i think a person who screams "english only" everytime someone makes a typo or a grammar mistake fits the description pretty well 11:48:07 <ln> i've never said that about typos. 11:50:39 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:54:46 *** nzvip [~svip@192.38.109.188] has joined #openttd 11:56:19 *** Trond [~nope@ti131310a080-5716.bb.online.no] has quit [Quit: Oh noes] 12:06:53 <yorick> ' is a typo 12:07:08 <ln> it isn't. 12:07:55 <ln> if it isn't there, one didn't even try to press it. 12:08:05 <yorick> any dev that'd like to add "should not be enforced by ln"? 12:09:52 <Roest> yorick did you try the patch? btw there wont be drag & drop 12:09:59 <yorick> I'm compiling it 12:10:10 <yorick> why not :(? 12:10:51 <Roest> because double click already works and is faster 12:11:21 <Rubidium> not for moving individual items in the 'chosen' newgrf list 12:11:36 <Roest> oh 12:11:38 <Rubidium> oh noes... just made two typos! 12:11:39 <Roest> that 12:12:31 <yorick> yes, that 12:12:40 <teeg> I wonder what'd happen if we all decided to write SMSish 12:12:58 <teeg> ln'd probably have a heart attack 12:13:17 <Sacro> i tnk ud b rite 12:13:31 <teeg> come to think of it, I think I'll have a heart attack as well 12:15:28 <yorick> Roest, the scrollbar doesn't change size 12:15:53 <Roest> i know 12:16:33 <Roest> thing is i don't keep the number of items shown, so it shows the scrollbar according to total # of grfs 12:16:58 <Roest> but that's fixable 12:18:09 <Roest> guess i have a look at order window how dnd is done, greedy bastard 12:19:18 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.217.232] has joined #openttd 12:43:08 *** divo [~asd@x1-6-00-18-39-d3-e9-f6.k899.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 12:55:53 <Roest> hmm do i have to allow dragndrop with some flag or is it superceded by the click event? 12:57:56 *** nzvip [~svip@192.38.109.188] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:01:30 *** Osai is now known as Osai`off 13:05:53 *** nzvip [~svip@192.38.109.188] has joined #openttd 13:06:36 *** xkrchnav [xkrchnav@wired-179.fi.muni.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:07:56 *** Chicago_Rail_Authority [~somewhere@c-68-40-40-232.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 13:10:54 *** mikl_ [~mikl@adsl.peytz.dk] has joined #openttd 13:13:08 * Roest needs a clue 13:13:46 *** mikl [~mikl@adsl.peytz.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:15:00 <Roest> peter1138: i see you on the fuzzlecam, gimme a clue plz 13:16:53 <Gekz> noclue4u 13:17:46 <Roest> :( 13:17:53 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm73.epsilon121.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 13:19:01 <Chicago_Rail_Authority> fuzzlecam? 13:19:02 *** mikl_ [~mikl@adsl.peytz.dk] has quit [Quit: my Mac is sleeping...] 13:19:33 <Roest> http://fuzzle.org/webcam.jpg 13:27:24 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 13:27:26 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:29:35 <Gekz> AH 13:29:38 <Gekz> ITS HOMOEROTICA 13:29:40 <Gekz> DONT LOOK 13:30:15 *** pm|away is now known as planetmaker 13:30:21 *** planetmaker is now known as pm|away 13:30:36 *** NukeBuster [~NukeBuste@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 13:33:11 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 13:33:50 *** nzvip [~svip@192.38.109.188] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:35:21 *** nzvip [~svip@192.38.109.188] has joined #openttd 13:35:22 * Roest blergs 13:36:15 * Gekz flargs 13:36:25 <Gekz> I have a girlfriend that is a foot and bit shorter than me 13:36:26 <Gekz> lolo 13:36:49 <yorick> I can smell him through the screen :o 13:37:07 <Gekz> ... 13:37:10 <Gekz> I will kill you 13:37:13 <Gekz> I swear to god yorick 13:37:19 <Roest> :) 13:37:20 <Gekz> I will stick you with a knife 13:37:25 <Gekz> and twist it 13:37:27 <yorick> over the internet? 13:37:32 <Gekz> and then turn it a bit 13:37:34 <yorick> nice! 13:37:35 <Gekz> then pull it out 13:37:37 <Gekz> stand back a bit 13:37:40 <Gekz> and throw it at your head 13:37:42 <Gekz> and if I miss 13:37:45 <Gekz> I'll go again 13:37:48 <Gekz> until I succeed 13:37:53 <Gekz> and then I'll eat your big toe! 13:37:56 <Gekz> and your tongue 13:38:03 <Gekz> and I'll sell your kidneys on the black market 13:38:09 <Gekz> and I'll eat your liver. 13:39:33 <Roest> just curious, you eat it raw or cooked? 13:40:52 <Roest> anyway, why doesn't case WE_DRAGDROP: ShowErrorMessage(INVALID_STRING_ID, STR_NEWGRF_DUPLICATE_GRFID, 0, 0); show that damn thing 13:40:58 *** nzvip [~svip@192.38.109.188] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:41:03 <Gekz> Roest: cooked in his entrails 13:41:08 <Roest> nice 13:41:14 <yorick> anyone wants to participate in the current #openttdcoop.dev game? 13:41:22 <yorick> it has tracksharing :) 13:41:29 <Gekz> :O 13:41:30 <yorick> it has YAPP 13:41:34 <Roest> those coop guys are too leet for me 13:41:35 <Gekz> can I be on your side? 13:41:36 *** nzvip [~svip@192.38.109.188] has joined #openttd 13:41:38 <yorick> it has flavourz 13:41:40 <Gekz> and touch you 13:41:47 <Gekz> crash your trains 13:42:31 <Roest> and why would you need tracksharing in a coop game anyway 13:42:33 <yorick> ok 13:42:43 <yorick> because everyone can have different companies 13:42:52 <yorick> Gekz: http://rapidshare.de/files/39263795/openttdcoopdev.zip.html 13:42:58 <Gekz> I was kidding 13:42:59 <yorick> in case you're a windows user 13:43:02 <Gekz> its nearly midnight and I have school 13:43:08 <Gekz> oh, and a life 13:43:09 <yorick> no its not 13:43:19 <Gekz> I use debian 13:43:28 <yorick> anone else? 13:43:39 <Roest> you scare me 13:43:48 <yorick> "life" 13:43:53 * yorick ducks 13:44:18 * Gekz brutally murders ducks 13:44:36 <Gekz> \_x< 13:44:48 <Belugas> hey! don't!!! For once, it was usefull!! 13:45:35 * yorick protects the ducks 13:45:48 <Gekz> what was 13:45:50 * teeg looks up "life" in a dictionary 13:46:49 *** mikl_ [~mikl@adsl.peytz.dk] has joined #openttd 13:48:11 *** ooo4tom [~tom@92.2.101.181] has joined #openttd 13:51:06 <Belugas> the duck was helpfull, since "[09:42] * yorick ducks" 13:51:18 <Belugas> usefull, even... 13:51:22 <Belugas> -l 13:51:28 <Belugas> ho.,,,,shoo 13:53:43 *** pavel1269 [~pavel.g@48.140.broadband2.iol.cz] has joined #openttd 13:53:48 <pavel1269> hi 14:00:04 *** Osai`off is now known as Osai 14:04:30 *** xkrchnav [~xkrchnav@ro-chr.netdatacomm.cz] has joined #openttd 14:04:50 <ooo4tom> afternoon all 14:05:10 *** mikl_ is now known as mikl 14:07:05 *** ooo4tom [~tom@92.2.101.181] has left #openttd [] 14:12:10 <Ammler> has someone tried cond orders yet? 14:12:36 *** xkrchnav [~xkrchnav@ro-chr.netdatacomm.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:12:45 <Ammler> how do I have to make orders to skip a station if 100% loaded 14:13:45 *** BiGgOvDoInThAnGs [gov@d60-65-117-129.col.wideopenwest.com] has joined #openttd 14:13:45 * Roest is clueless 14:15:54 <Gekz> whats new 14:16:21 <yorick> if load percentage equals 100 14:19:07 *** shodan [user@ppp101-219.static.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: Client Exiting] 14:20:56 *** governor [gov@d60-65-117-129.col.wideopenwest.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:24:03 *** xkrchnav [~xkrchnav@ro-chr.netdatacomm.cz] has joined #openttd 14:27:07 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@adsl-58.36.Static.ssp.fi] has quit [Quit: You will never be the man your mother was!] 14:30:03 <Roest> my productivity today equals zero 14:30:33 <yorick> what's the problem? 14:30:56 <teeg> Roest: Swap tasks? I've got some old VB code which apparently doesn't want to run in vs2008, which makes things a bit difficult to debug 14:31:24 <Roest> uh VB 14:31:27 <teeg> and I can't for the life of me find the enthusiasm to try to fix the damned thing. :P 14:33:04 <Roest> how good is your opengl :) 14:33:32 <teeg> I wish I could say "about as good as my VB", but sadly it's non-existent 14:33:56 <teeg> (not that I'm a VB guru either, but at least VB isn't exactly the most difficult language ever to understand...) 14:34:32 <Roest> i can say i never wrote a single line VB in my life 14:35:07 <teeg> sadly, I cannot. but I can at least say I never enjoyed any of them, and if I don't have to write another line in my life, that'll be just dandy 14:35:49 <Roest> but then i wrote enough PHP which is probably as bad if not worse 14:36:12 <teeg> better syntax, but not really a step up, no 14:39:03 <peter1138> VB or VB.NET? 14:39:30 <teeg> hm. I think it's vb.net 14:39:42 * blathijs did some very nice programming in VB5 :-D 14:39:46 <peter1138> ah... syntax on that is already 14:39:47 <peter1138> err 14:39:47 <peter1138> alright 14:39:55 <peter1138> it's just like C# but without the ;s ;) 14:40:04 <blathijs> Actually, that's where a lot of my programming experience comes from :-) 14:40:05 <teeg> I'm addicted to the ;s 14:40:22 <teeg> which is why I'm a Perl guy and not a python guy :P 14:40:50 <teeg> I constantly have to fix at least 5 ;'s which sneak into any VB code I write, because it's automatic 14:41:43 <peter1138> :) 14:42:05 <teeg> oh great. a meeting.<fake enthusiasm> 14:48:19 *** nicfer [~chatzilla@168.226.104.251] has joined #openttd 14:55:23 *** Roest [~ralph@p54B9D82E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:01:17 *** Albert1 [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 15:02:15 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:06:11 *** Albert1 [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 15:06:12 *** Albert1 [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 15:08:01 *** Boyinblue0 [~admin@5ac37edb.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 15:11:06 *** Boyinblue0 [~admin@5ac37edb.bb.sky.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:11:23 *** Boyinblue0 [~admin@5ac37edb.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 15:11:44 *** Boyinblue0 [~admin@5ac37edb.bb.sky.com] has quit [] 15:14:29 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has joined #openttd 15:15:54 <SmatZ> hello 15:20:25 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm73.epsilon121.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [] 15:22:22 <yorick> @seen dih 15:22:23 <DorpsGek> yorick: dih was last seen in #openttd 17 hours, 21 minutes, and 35 seconds ago: <dih> sup ladies? 15:36:04 <nicfer> hmmm what about replacing the propietary openttd's chat with a standardized one? 15:36:08 *** Volley [~worf@84.119.65.133] has joined #openttd 15:36:26 <Belugas> why? 15:36:34 *** dR3x4cK2313 [~Miranda@p5499CC15.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:37:34 <nicfer> I mean, if each game has it's own chat engine, it would be too complicated for devs to start from scratch every engine 15:37:41 <nicfer> why not make a standard lib for it? 15:38:30 <Belugas> because we're not starting from scratch. it's already there 15:38:44 <Belugas> why changing something just for changing? 15:39:25 <nicfer> linux is good because it's libs are organizated 15:39:35 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@p5499DB24.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:39:38 <Belugas> why changing something just for changing? 15:39:47 <SmatZ> nicfer: you can chat at IRC while playing if you want 15:39:56 <Belugas> why changing something just for changing? 15:39:57 <SmatZ> and OTTD doesn't run only on Linux 15:41:28 <nicfer> because if I want to start a game and I want to do a chat, it's simpler to pick up openttd's one and implement it on my game rather than writing one from the scratch 15:41:37 <glx> and chat is part of ottd networkig protocol 15:42:05 <nicfer> that is the principle of sdl 15:42:13 <peter1138> ... 15:42:34 <Belugas> so basically, you are a bit of a lazy guy who would like to reuse our stuff for your own purpose 15:42:36 <Belugas> sort of 15:42:38 <Belugas> nice 15:43:05 <peter1138> no problem... have fun with the string system... and the graphics system... and the network system... :) 15:43:07 <Belugas> or, make it so that you can re-use without much effort our stufff 15:43:24 <Belugas> indeed :) 15:43:48 <nicfer> and why to use an own networking protocol when you can use sdl_net's one? 15:44:22 <glx> because sdl is not needed on windows, nor on osx 15:44:37 <Belugas> :) 15:44:54 <glx> and dedicated servers don't use sdl either 15:45:06 <SmatZ> and because current code works 15:45:15 <SmatZ> and do not have too much overhead 15:45:33 <SmatZ> *does 15:45:35 <SmatZ> not 15:47:38 <nicfer> sdl_net doesn't use graphical functions 15:48:07 <Zuu> nicfer: sdl_net is just the lower layers ottd still have to implement the higher layers etc. 15:49:21 <Zuu> Even if you would have a ssh connection or whatever to build on you still have to design and implement the application layer. 15:49:26 <SmatZ> nicfer: mixing two network protocols would make the code more complex, and current network protocol is suited for OTTD ; you can't know how would any other higher level protocol work 15:49:40 <SmatZ> UDP / TCP is on adequate level to work with 15:50:02 <SmatZ> furthermore, with sockets... 15:50:17 <Belugas> 12 minutes before lunch time. might not wait until then 15:50:34 <nicfer> you don't understand the concept of libraries just 15:50:42 <nicfer> it would be useful in other games 15:50:43 <Belugas> no kidding... 15:51:08 <Belugas> nicfer, you do not understand our needs either 15:51:20 <Belugas> nor the decisions that have been taken 15:51:36 <SmatZ> Belugas said it exactly 15:52:01 <Zuu> Having the implementation "in house" have it's benefits too. 15:52:29 <Belugas> but hey... don't listen to me, after all, i'm sarcastic, condescendant and cynical... 15:52:50 <SmatZ> :-) 15:53:05 <SmatZ> Belugas: sometimes it is good to be sarcastic and cynical :) 15:53:12 <peter1138> :D 15:53:14 <Albert1> nicfer: could you plz explain? you want us to use sdl_net's so you can use it? why not use sdl_net directly? 15:56:00 <Belugas> 'cause it's haaaaaard 15:56:08 <nicfer> microsoft is doing the same thing, propietary protocols closed to their own products 15:56:59 <teeg> nicfer: then make a chat lib and release it as open source, maybe we'll use it then. 15:57:21 <peter1138> to fit into out network system? hehe 15:57:44 <teeg> peter1138: mother of all shoehorns? :P no, I'm just putting the shoe on the other foot. 16:03:44 <Belugas> LUNCH TIME!! 16:04:12 <peter1138> hay 16:05:13 <Onack> im started to get annoyed by 0.6.1 RC1 16:05:27 <Onack> now i get desync by removing roads :S 16:05:51 <Onack> a citys roads 16:06:10 <glx> sounds bad :/ 16:06:29 <SmatZ> Onack: do you use the CIV1 version? 16:06:41 <Onack> CIV1? 16:06:52 <Belugas> guess not :) 16:06:54 <SmatZ> ah, ok :) 16:06:54 <glx> SmatZ: he said 0.6.1RC1 16:07:13 <Onack> using a 64bit compiled 0.6.1 RC1 16:07:15 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 16:07:18 <Onack> on Windows Vista 16:07:18 <SmatZ> glx: it is better to ask... 16:07:34 <SmatZ> I know I had this problem in a game with CIV1 patch 16:07:43 <glx> is it easy to reproduce? 16:07:48 <Onack> always :P 16:07:49 <SmatZ> but maybe it was caused by OTTD + some grf set 16:07:59 <SmatZ> Onack: what GRFs do you use? 16:08:01 <Onack> quite a few grfs 16:08:24 <Onack> im White_Tiger in the flyspry 16:08:27 <Onack> *spray 16:08:36 <Onack> listed grfs there 16:08:54 <Onack> on the desync on electric trains 16:09:03 <Albert1> nicfer: if you want a chat protocol, get one from jabber. it is open, and used by Google 16:09:34 <nicfer> is possible to use it inside a game? 16:09:37 <Onack> i dont have the patch with easier removing city roads on, but it seems like the client dont see it 16:10:12 <Onack> cause when i connect back to the server the road is back again 16:10:32 <Zuu> Onack: When you say don't have the patch, you mean that you've disabled that option in the patch dialog on the server? 16:11:01 <Onack> no my server but he said so 16:11:09 <Onack> a buddy of mine running the server 16:12:08 <Onack> hm, my client says its on 16:12:14 <Onack> that might be the problem 16:13:09 *** Albert1 [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 16:13:25 <Zuu> Sounds a bit like an assert that only affects some builds. I found one a year ago (or was it two?) which was when you had station spread < airport size and built a station an assert was triggered. Some builds stoped because of the assertion (my client) but the windows-server did not stop because of which flags it was built with. 16:13:54 <Zuu> On what operating systems and how are the clients/server built? 16:14:18 <Onack> server is running on FreeBSD 16:14:30 <Onack> my buddy compiled them so i need to ask him then 16:14:33 <peter1138> yes, i have desyncs removing roads too 16:14:48 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl51B789B0.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 16:15:28 <Onack> good to hear im not the only one 16:15:30 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a46c58.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 16:15:33 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 16:15:58 <glx> nice when the client removes road they disappear on server, the opposite is wrong 16:16:34 <Onack> when i reconnect(cause of desync) the road is back 16:16:53 <Onack> takes ~20 seconds after i remove the road before the desync happens 16:17:31 *** Volley [~worf@84.119.65.133] has quit [] 16:17:54 <peter1138> that's the one 16:18:59 <yorick> huh, oh, Bjarni! 16:19:39 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 16:23:54 *** Tefad [~tefad@c-75-75-0-69.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:24:01 <Zuu> I've calculated it to 111 clients on the server list on openttd.org :) 16:24:20 <Bjarni> give or take 100, right? 16:25:32 <Zuu> give or take 1-10 maybe, but I think I got it quite correct. But the list is not static so noone can say I calculated it wrong :) 16:25:51 *** Chicago_Rail_Authority [~somewhere@c-68-40-40-232.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:28:23 *** mikl [~mikl@adsl.peytz.dk] has quit [Quit: my Mac is sleeping...] 16:32:29 *** xkrchnav [~xkrchnav@ro-chr.netdatacomm.cz] has quit [] 16:36:54 <Bjarni> you could script counting the total amount of clients 16:37:04 <Bjarni> then you will get them fast enough to be somewhat sure 16:37:08 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: smatz * r12919 /trunk/src/road_cmd.cpp: -Fix [FS#1965]: flood road tiles even when there are road works in progress 16:42:09 *** mode/#openttd [-b Karen*!*@*] by ChanServ 16:42:09 *** mode/#openttd [-b *!*riddle@*.lylix.net] by ChanServ 16:42:12 *** mode/#openttd [-b questionmark!*@*] by ChanServ 16:43:28 <Onack> Zuu: got word from my buddy, the server was buildt with normal FreeBSD compile, clients are from openttd 16:48:23 *** Leviath [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 16:49:52 *** jp [~Miranda@dslb-088-066-043-114.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 16:50:26 *** Tefad [~tefad@c-75-75-0-69.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 16:51:15 *** HerzogDeXtE1 [~Flex@89.246.166.245] has joined #openttd 16:54:52 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 16:57:08 <hylje> i built a 2-wagon multiple unit out of lego 16:57:16 <hylje> just the base tho 16:58:04 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.217.232] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:06:15 <Bjarni> do you have a pic? 17:06:27 <dih> nope 17:06:37 <hylje> nope 17:06:40 <Bjarni> I once built a 3 unit articulated unit out of lego 17:06:50 <Bjarni> the middle unit shared a bogie with each of the ends 17:06:51 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host193-232-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 17:06:52 <hylje> how did you do articulation 17:07:02 <Wolf01> hello 17:07:03 <Bjarni> it did surprisingly well when turning 17:07:04 <glx> like a TGV? 17:07:10 <hylje> jacob's bogie 17:07:17 <Bjarni> yes 17:07:17 <yorick> huh? who removed the bans? 17:07:27 <Bjarni> ChanServ 17:07:38 <yorick> who instructed chanserv to remove the bans? 17:07:45 <glx> itself 17:07:54 <Bjarni> <glx> like a TGV? <-- yeah something like that (even though I wasn't thinking about TGV at the time) 17:07:57 <yorick> why? 17:08:34 <hylje> because it can 17:08:44 <Belugas> does it matter? 17:08:59 * Wolf01 reads: "<yorick> huh? who removed the bananas?" WTF!!! 17:09:00 <Bjarni> it matters to Karen 17:09:05 <yorick> 2 of the bans were made 2 days ago? 17:09:27 <Bjarni> maybe she will bring more cake 17:09:32 <Belugas> does it matter? 17:10:18 <yorick> its nice to see "our clues are perfect" to be jammed a bit 17:10:55 <Belugas> does it matter? 17:11:06 <dih> you are repeating yourself 17:11:13 *** jp [~Miranda@dslb-088-066-043-114.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: jp] 17:11:32 * yorick unstucks Belugas 17:11:53 <yorick> dih, we're running patched on #openttdcoop.dev 17:11:54 <dih> you annoying little kid :D 17:11:56 <yorick> TS+YAPP 17:12:04 <dih> nice 17:12:07 <dih> enjoy :-) 17:12:18 <yorick> you know what I mean 17:12:21 *** Chicago_Rail_Authority [~somewhere@c-68-40-40-232.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 17:12:41 <dih> snow in temperate + yet another pbs patch 17:12:42 <dih> yes 17:12:45 <Belugas> no, at all!! 17:12:54 <yorick> no, TrackSharing 17:12:59 <dih> oh 17:13:00 <dih> nice 17:13:07 <Belugas> no, at all!! 17:13:13 <dih> not at all? 17:13:14 <yorick> you know what I mean by saying that 17:13:20 <hylje> yes, at nothing!! 17:13:23 * yorick tries to unstuck belugas again 17:13:24 <Belugas> not at all!! 17:13:39 <yorick> ? 17:13:41 * dih slaps Belugas 17:13:43 <dih> get a grip 17:13:53 * dih smiles 17:13:56 <Belugas> muwhahaha!!! 17:14:01 <dih> ^^ 17:14:05 <yorick> look what you did 17:14:14 <dih> i helped him 17:14:18 *** dih was kicked from #openttd by Belugas [Got a firm grip on my kick!] 17:14:18 *** dih [~dih@members.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 17:14:22 <dih> thanks 17:14:40 <dih> what a wonderful gesture 17:14:50 <dih> a devine size 9 boot up the rear 17:15:09 <dih> size 9 - you get that Belugas? size 9! 17:15:41 <Belugas> ? 17:15:47 <Belugas> only 9 that i knwo is 17:15:52 <Belugas> Nine Inch Nail! 17:15:55 <hylje> yay 17:16:00 <SmatZ> :-) 17:16:04 <dih> ask your wife what size shoes she wears 17:16:07 <hylje> of note, my precious multiple unit is low-floored between the bogies 17:16:59 <Belugas> # I want to f... you like an animal 17:17:05 <Belugas> # I want to feel you from the inside 17:17:51 <dih> you think that ---- is a perfect druc 17:17:54 <dih> *drug 17:17:56 <Rubidium> nicfer: too bad I can't install libsdl-net without installing libsdl which needs X, which I don't want on my dedicated server 17:18:18 <yorick> you don't need sdl for dedicated servers, do you? 17:18:29 <Rubidium> yorick: exactly 17:18:31 *** Karen_ [~riddle@vps-216-75-24-180.lylix.net] has joined #openttd 17:18:43 <yorick> hmm...karen has chanserv access! 17:18:49 <Rubidium> Karen_: 24 hours aren't up yet 17:19:01 <yorick> !peter1138: doban Karen_! 17:19:11 *** mode/#openttd [+b *!*yorick@*.adsl.wanadoo.nl] by Bjarni 17:19:16 <Bjarni> you don't have anything to say 17:19:16 <glx> lol 17:19:28 <Prof_Frink> yorick: You're doing it wrong 17:19:34 *** mode/#openttd [-b *!*yorick@*.adsl.wanadoo.nl] by Bjarni 17:19:34 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@78-21-225-220.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:19:44 <Prof_Frink> peter1138! Newbanana! 17:19:57 <Tefad> i'm confused 17:20:02 <Tefad> what's with all the irc modes lately 17:20:10 <Prof_Frink> Bananas. 17:20:13 <Tefad> this channel is usualy quiet in those regards 17:21:02 <Karen_> 1 yes/no question, now! 17:21:18 <hylje> yes or no? 17:21:41 <Karen_> yes 17:21:51 <yorick> good,hylje 17:22:02 <yorick> you used our only question 17:22:05 <Onack> is there any to force removal of own created industries? 17:22:23 <Wolf01> yes, magic bulldozer 17:22:24 <Karen_> thank you for the question - see you later on this evening! 17:22:27 *** Karen_ [~riddle@vps-216-75-24-180.lylix.net] has left #openttd [] 17:22:52 <Onack> *waves the wand* 17:24:02 <Onack> seriously, where? 17:24:02 <Onack> :P 17:24:15 <Belugas> called magic bulldozer 17:24:18 <Belugas> watch out 17:24:20 <Belugas> a cheat 17:24:28 <Belugas> town can use it too 17:24:32 <Belugas> boooo 17:24:52 <dih> LOL 17:24:58 <Onack> lol 17:25:15 <yorick> the problem is that towns can also use it, yes 17:25:29 <dih> [19:22] * Belugas is leaving the channel 17:25:29 <dih> [19:22] * Belugas (belugas@openttd.org) has left #openttdcoop 17:25:34 <dih> thanks for the notice ^^ 17:25:47 <peter1138> contaminated :o 17:25:56 *** waterpie [~waterpie@athedsl-231926.home.otenet.gr] has joined #openttd 17:25:58 <Belugas> was a joke, in reaction to x,y, joining the game :) 17:26:02 <waterpie> hi all 17:26:22 <dih> Belugas: nice one :-) 17:26:39 <Onack> well, i guess cheats are not possible in MP even i got server access 17:26:43 <yorick> oh, what's your question? 17:26:50 <Belugas> but dih, i was expecting you to kick me :) 17:26:58 <waterpie> can someone pls explain to me, why i can't make any profit? i get more profit than expenditure (i think), but i constantly lose money 17:27:12 <dih> why would i kick you Belugas? 17:27:12 <yorick> you have transfer button pressed? 17:27:15 <Tefad> waterpie: check your graphs. 17:27:32 <dih> i have no reason to :-P 17:27:33 <Tefad> er not graphs.. the overview budge screen,.. summary 17:27:37 <Belugas> 'cause i kicked you in #openttd, and you have no power in here, which is the exact opposite situation there 17:27:37 <Tefad> budget too 17:27:45 <Tefad> interest can kick your ass 17:27:48 <waterpie> the graph is a ~straight line below 0 17:28:00 * Tefad shrugs 17:28:29 <waterpie> the finances screen? 17:29:06 <dih> Belugas: i can understand you had a nasty day at work 17:29:10 <Tefad> to be honest? i've not played the game in a couple of months : D 17:29:26 * dih slaps Tefad 17:29:33 <dih> i have not either, but at least i dont admit it 17:29:54 <Belugas> wrong, dih. i STILL have a bad day 17:30:09 <Tefad> lol 17:30:19 <dih> well - if i then kicked you it would not be helpful 17:30:33 <dih> rather i accept the kick and "turn the other cheek" 17:30:34 <dih> HAHAHA 17:30:55 <yorick> peter is still behind the fuzzlecam! 17:31:08 <SmatZ> what? 17:31:27 <waterpie> can you pls help me? i am totally lost 17:31:45 <SmatZ> waterpie: do you use transfer orders? 17:32:06 <SmatZ> savegame would help 17:32:18 <waterpie> yes (transfer, full load) 17:32:26 *** henkie [not@tdlnx.student.utwente.nl] has joined #openttd 17:32:33 <Tefad> waterpie: pics or it didn't happen. 17:32:44 <Rubidium> waterpie: transfer does not cause real payments 17:32:46 <henkie> my multiplayer game seems to desync sometimes :( 17:32:47 <SmatZ> waterpie: do you know how transfer works? if you don't, don't use them 17:32:49 *** yorick [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- IRC with a difference] 17:33:37 <waterpie> then how do i tell the vehicles where to go? 17:34:11 <SmatZ> waterpie: you just load/unload, no transfer 17:34:17 <SmatZ> *use just 17:34:32 <SmatZ> http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Transfer_order,_setting_up_feeder_systems waterpie 17:34:42 <SmatZ> http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Feeder_service better 17:34:45 <henkie> is it possible to trace the cause of a desync? (+easy) 17:35:02 <Rubidium> henkie: read the wiki docs about tracing a desync 17:35:24 *** Osai is now known as Osai^Kendo 17:35:31 <glx> henkie: remove the (+easy) part 17:36:29 <henkie> Rubidium, you got an url? i only see a network protocol description 17:36:38 <henkie> glx, :( 17:36:57 <Rubidium> http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/OpenTTDDevBlackBook/Network/Desync_debugging 17:37:44 <henkie> tnx 17:37:47 <Tefad> happy leet-o'clock everyone! 17:38:01 <Rubidium> tss... American :( 17:38:16 <Prof_Frink> Tefad: You're not Dave2. 17:38:45 <Tefad> who's that? 17:38:49 <henkie> damn 17:39:11 <Prof_Frink> Tefad: A ...person... in #lugradio 17:39:13 <henkie> desync happens really random, and can sometimes hours 17:39:23 <Tefad> not on this network 17:40:13 <henkie> all newgrfs have checksums? 17:40:13 <Prof_Frink> Has an unhealthy obsession with all things goaty, and annonces leet o'clock, leeeet o'clock and other variants just about every day. 17:41:20 <SmatZ> henkie: before you start, there is a known desync problem in 0.6.1-RC1 (caused by removing city road or house) 17:41:23 <Tefad> goaty? 17:41:42 <Prof_Frink> Tefad: Goaty. 17:41:43 <Tefad> eleet-o'clock is fun 17:41:45 <henkie> SmatZ, i/we are running 0.6.0 17:42:28 <peter1138> there's a known desync problem in 0.6.0 too, depending on grfs, heh 17:43:13 <waterpie> ok, thanks. i was just transfering cargo around. ...imo, "transfer" is a bit misleading. maybe "connect" is better (?) 17:45:14 <Rubidium> transfer is perfectly okay 17:45:26 <SmatZ> waterpie: you can use localised version (eg. change laguage to Greek) if you have problems understanding English 17:45:57 *** wolfy [~Wolfenste@ip52-73-210-87.adsl2.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:46:00 <Rubidium> airlines, busses, ships and trains in real life use the exact same term 17:48:50 <waterpie> (my english is ok, but it is just my imho). ...anyways, thanks 17:49:14 <dih> just my in my humble oppinion? 17:49:53 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i59F55AD0.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 17:50:15 *** Yexo_ [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 17:50:26 *** Yexo is now known as Guest2272 17:50:26 *** Yexo_ is now known as Yexo 17:50:59 *** Guest2272 [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:51:40 <waterpie> dih: =8-) 17:51:45 <waterpie> thanks. bye all 17:51:49 *** waterpie [~waterpie@athedsl-231926.home.otenet.gr] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:51:54 <Belugas> Heeeek!!! a punk!!! 17:53:36 *** wolfy [~Wolfenste@dhcp-077-250-023-072.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 17:54:28 *** mikl [~mikl@0304ds2-ba.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 17:55:13 <mynetdude|Away> hey all somehow I loaded several newgrfs and some aren't showing, I saved my game went back to the newgrf menu and none were showing even though I had tram and town replacement graphics, is there any way to force the others to load? like train set, etc 17:55:19 <mynetdude|Away> hmm hold on 17:55:24 *** mynetdude|Away is now known as mynetdude 17:55:53 <mynetdude> ah there 17:56:32 <Rubidium> 1) press apply when changing NewGRFs in-game, 2) changing NewGRFs in-game can cause crashes 17:56:41 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F55AD0.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:56:49 <Rubidium> 3) changing NewGRFs in-game won't change the newgame settings 17:56:52 <mynetdude> Rubidium yes I know it can cause crashes, I did hit apply 17:56:57 <henkie> bam, crashed again 17:57:09 * mynetdude sighs... I have to start over as usual 17:57:11 <henkie> s/crash/desync/ 17:58:53 *** yorick [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 18:00:47 <peter1138> doing what? heh 18:01:16 *** Roest [~ralph@p54B9D82E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:03:12 *** Karen_ [~riddle@vps-216-75-24-180.lylix.net] has joined #openttd 18:04:04 <Karen_> to answer Smatz question: yes and no. The text in the image is what is in the file. The answer is not in it. 18:04:35 <SmatZ> Karen_: thanks :) 18:04:55 <yorick> are you going to give us the second clue? 18:04:58 <Karen_> you are most welcome 18:05:16 <Karen_> yorick: having trouble finding the second answer? 18:05:36 <Zuu> I think i might have got half of the secord one, but not enterly. .. 18:06:08 <Zuu> Could be totally wrong too... :) 18:06:41 <Karen_> Zuu: it is not a composed number. 18:07:20 <Zuu> Karen_: Ok, I left that idea. 18:07:27 <Karen_> back to yes/no questions: you get 5 this time round 18:07:29 <mynetdude> ok cool, I got the newgrfs to load... except us town names won't load for some reason, although its there 18:08:15 <Rubidium> can I ask a question? really? can I? really? sure? ;) 18:08:29 <Karen_> no 18:08:30 <yorick> yes, no, yes, no, yes 18:08:37 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: smatz * r12920 /trunk/src/town_cmd.cpp: -Fix (r12859): town rating was affected even after the test run 18:09:21 <Zuu> Karen_: Is the answer of #2 in r425? 18:09:21 <Karen_> 1 down 4 to go 18:10:07 <Karen_> Zuu: no, it is in latest revision, and r425 is not a number 18:10:42 <yorick> Does the account number or the password mean something, except saving my progress, and account number being a random seed 18:10:50 <Zuu> ok, then my theory failed.. :) 18:10:52 *** Leviath [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:11:15 <yorick> Karen_? 18:11:28 <Karen_> yorick: the account number is solely for that purpose 18:11:38 <SmatZ> hehe openttd.cpp:425 InteractiveRandom(); ... well, if you got the number by this function... :-D 18:12:24 <Karen_> SmatZ: you are cute! 18:12:30 <yorick> have we been given the second clue? 18:12:48 <SmatZ> :-) 18:13:12 <Karen_> 3 down 2 to go 18:13:24 <yorick> have we been given the second clue? 18:13:36 <peter1138> do we care? 18:13:49 <Karen_> no, yes 18:14:02 <yorick> haha, wrong, we don't 18:14:06 <SmatZ> :-) 18:14:37 <Roest> tough crowd 18:14:40 *** elmex_ [~elmex@e180076075.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 18:15:42 <Karen_> keep on tryin! next session later on this evening. 18:15:47 *** Karen_ [~riddle@vps-216-75-24-180.lylix.net] has left #openttd [www.ottd.info] 18:16:05 <Roest> is anyone even trying? 18:16:31 <yorick> not any more 18:18:00 <yorick> Roest, how is dragdrop going? 18:18:04 <Belugas> i tried, i gave up 18:18:04 *** elmex [~elmex@e180064038.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:18:33 *** Karen_ [~riddle@vps-216-75-24-180.lylix.net] has joined #openttd 18:18:35 <Karen_> Roest: according to our stats page ( www.ottd.info/stats.php ): yes 18:18:37 *** elmex_ is now known as elmex 18:18:39 *** Karen_ [~riddle@vps-216-75-24-180.lylix.net] has left #openttd [] 18:19:07 <Roest> i gave up earlier, for some reason it doesn't enter the switch case for dragdrop 18:19:43 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r12921 /trunk/src/openttd.cpp: -Codechange: coding style fixes and documentation updates. 18:20:02 <Roest> ohh documentation, me likes 18:20:24 <yorick> Karen_, you're either a known person to us, or reading the logs, or both 18:20:37 *** Digitalfox [~Digitalfo@bl7-182-14.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 18:20:48 <Roest> it's more like an unknown spy account 18:21:31 * Rubidium wonders how CreateConsole should deliver a number 18:22:17 <Yexo> Rubidium: nice changing of openttd.cpp:425 :P 18:22:43 <Rubidium> she said it was the latest version 18:22:54 <yorick> what changed? 18:23:01 <Yexo> <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r12921 /trunk/src/openttd.cpp: -Codechange: coding style fixes and documentation updates. 18:23:02 <yorick> oh heh :o 18:23:07 *** Osai^Kendo is now known as Osai^Kendo`off 18:24:50 <Prof_Frink> Roest: I would hardly class orudge as "unknown" 18:25:35 *** ooo4tom [~tom@92.2.101.181] has joined #openttd 18:26:20 <SmatZ> it will either change to openttd.cpp:418 , or it is some other revision... 18:26:26 *** ooo4tom [~tom@92.2.101.181] has left #openttd [] 18:26:50 <SmatZ> I think it would be too risky to apply it to trunk of r12345 without being sure it won't change 18:27:13 * SmatZ tests r12345 :) 18:27:56 *** elmex_ [~elmex@e180068214.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 18:29:49 *** stillunk1own [~stillunkn@vpn006063.vpn.utwente.nl] has joined #openttd 18:30:42 <orudge> 12345! 18:31:19 <Prof_Frink> That's the combination on my luggage! 18:31:37 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:31:51 *** elmex [~elmex@e180076075.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:31:54 *** elmex_ is now known as elmex 18:32:13 <SmatZ> :) 18:32:15 <SmatZ> :-D 18:33:17 <SmatZ> openttd.cpp:438 is a blank line, now it is really interesting... 18:33:27 * SmatZ permutes the numbers 18:33:30 <orudge> tis InteractiveRandom 18:33:40 <orudge> well 18:33:46 <orudge> tis generation_seed = InteractiveRandom(); 18:34:09 <orudge> generation_seed is set to GENERATE_NEW_SEED, which is -1. If it returns the result of InteractiveRandom, well... 18:34:16 <Prof_Frink> orudge: is or was? 18:34:33 <orudge> is, as of the latest revision 18:36:40 <SmatZ> orudge: yes, sorry, I had open window of 0.6.0 and 0.6.1-RC1 18:37:51 *** mynetdude is now known as mynetdude|Away 18:39:44 <SmatZ> well, I tried -1 yesterday several times :) 18:39:50 <SmatZ> even 65535 and so, no success 18:41:25 <peter1138> god, torcs fucking sucks 18:43:35 *** mynetdude|Away is now known as mynetdude 18:48:33 *** Karen_ [~riddle@vps-216-75-24-180.lylix.net] has joined #openttd 18:48:39 <Karen_> blame it on something else 18:52:07 <Karen_> yorick: do you need any further hints? 18:55:01 <yorick> no 18:55:53 <SmatZ> that's bad, I don't even know what should I ask :) 18:56:01 *** yorick [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: My clues are obvious, my answers faint. Or I don't know] 18:58:02 <Karen_> SmatZ: what may i shed light on for you? 18:58:34 <Prof_Frink> Karen_: Jean is shorter than Brutus but taller than Imhotep. Imhotep is taller than Jean, but shorter than Lord Scotland. Lord Scotland is twice the height of Jean and Brutus combined but only one-tenth of the height of Millsy. Millsy is at a constant height of x - y. If Jean stands exactly one nautical mile away from Lord Scotland, how tall is Imhotep? 18:59:44 <Belugas> As Tall as His Glory when the Sun hits his Eyes on Eve of First Day of the Year, on the Shores of the Nile 18:59:56 *** elmex_ [~elmex@e180074145.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 18:59:57 <Belugas> on and on and on 19:00:09 <Karen_> Prof_Frink: that is not a yes/no question. 19:01:46 <Prof_Frink> Fine then. 19:01:47 <Prof_Frink> Eight ladies go to eight shops at eight o'clock in the morning. Each lady wants to buy eight spiders. For each spider, eight spider shoes must also be bought. But they only have eight pounds between them. With each spider costing eight pence and each spider shoe costing an eighth pence each, will the ladies have enough change for the bus ride home? A journey costing eight pence per stop and made up of eight stops. 19:02:11 *** Nuke2 [~NukeBuste@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 19:02:13 *** Nuke2 [~NukeBuste@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [] 19:03:00 *** elmex [~elmex@e180068214.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:03:32 <Karen_> you do understand that the answer to that question is a joke on its own, not to be answered with yes or no? 19:03:54 *** elmex_ is now known as elmex 19:04:10 <dih> aronal 19:05:21 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 19:05:33 *** NukeBuster [~NukeBuste@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [] 19:09:44 *** divo [~asd@x1-6-00-18-39-d3-e9-f6.k899.webspeed.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:10:03 *** pavel1269 [~pavel.g@48.140.broadband2.iol.cz] has quit [] 19:10:51 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 19:11:27 <Patrick`_> I want bacons 19:11:40 <Roest> yorick dragndrop almost works, but i have no time to finish it now, so tomorrow 19:11:52 *** stillunk1own [~stillunkn@vpn006063.vpn.utwente.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:12:06 <dih> once again Roest: he aint there 19:12:26 <Roest> dammit 19:12:35 *** divo [~asd@x1-6-00-18-39-d3-e9-f6.k899.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 19:12:40 <orudge> Karen_: What are birds? 19:12:48 *** Roest [~ralph@p54B9D82E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:12:48 <Karen_> yes 19:12:53 <orudge> Wrong answer, sorry. 19:13:06 <orudge> Prof_Frink: What are birds? 19:13:11 *** Guest2225 [~User@c-98-202-77-105.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:13:19 <Belugas> not dogs 19:13:28 <Belugas> rigth answer! 19:13:31 <Prof_Frink> orudge: We just don't know. 19:13:32 <dih> you aint Prof_Frink! 19:13:43 <orudge> Prof_Frink knows of what I speak. 19:13:44 <Prof_Frink> orudge: What is water? 19:14:01 *** bob27 [4b214c3a@67.207.141.120] has joined #openttd 19:14:09 *** weirdy [~weirdy@78-105-166-85.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:14:14 <weirdy> holy shiz 19:15:10 <weirdy> is there a Karen_ here? 19:15:32 <Karen_> yes 19:15:42 <SmatZ> :-D 19:16:00 <weirdy> are you the owner of ottd.info? 19:16:08 <Karen_> yes 19:16:47 <Prof_Frink> no, DNS ADMIN is. 19:16:55 <weirdy> whats the answer to the second one/ 19:17:00 <weirdy> ? 19:17:17 <Karen_> only yes/no questions please 19:17:19 <SmatZ> hehe 19:17:33 <weirdy> is it about ottd.ccp? 19:17:41 <Belugas> lol 19:17:49 <Prof_Frink> Karen_: Is the answer to this question "no"? 19:17:51 <Belugas> good luck finding it! 19:18:20 <SmatZ> Mr. Paradox Frink 19:18:25 <Karen_> Belugas: that sounds like you are getting somewhere with the 2nd riddle? 19:18:36 <weirdy> >_> 19:18:38 <Karen_> weirdy: no (what is ottd.ccp?) 19:18:42 <weirdy> :/ 19:18:51 <Prof_Frink> openttd.cccp! 19:19:04 <Prof_Frink> In soviet russia, game plays you! 19:19:12 <weirdy> has the second riddle got anything to do with code? 19:19:16 <SmatZ> teh bukkit misses you! 19:19:16 <Belugas> no Karen_, i was replying to weirdy and his ottd.cpp 19:19:18 <hylje> in soviet russia the game loses you 19:19:45 <SmatZ> :) 19:19:46 <Prof_Frink> Karen_: Will you get bored of us asking silly questions and bugger off? 19:20:04 <Karen_> blame it on something else 19:20:22 <weirdy> has the second riddle got anything to do with code Karen_? 19:20:24 <Karen_> Prof_Frink: no 19:20:48 <Karen_> weirdy: yes 19:21:09 *** sickie88 [~sickie@BSN-210-251-71.dial-up.dsl.siol.net] has joined #openttd 19:21:29 <Prof_Frink> Karen_: Do you have teh upload codez? 19:21:52 <SmatZ> with yes/no questions, we could get the right answer after ~13 questions (using binary interval halving) 19:22:04 <SmatZ> 23 19:22:31 <weirdy> whats the highest number you can count to using your fingers? 19:22:50 *** dR3x4cK2313 [~Miranda@p5499CC15.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: dR3x4cK2313] 19:23:14 <Karen_> Prof_Frink: to the nuclear satellites? yes 19:23:21 <Prof_Frink> HAHA 19:23:22 *** dragonhorseboy [~dragonhor@modemcable147.26-58-74.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #openttd 19:23:24 <dragonhorseboy> hey 19:23:36 <dragonhorseboy> any of you in here also on the !!expert zone!! server? 19:23:39 * weirdy gives up and just glares at Karen_ 19:23:41 <Prof_Frink> It's not the answer, but try `head -n 438 openttd.cpp | wc -w` 19:23:41 <Karen_> weirdy: 1023, but not a yes/no question 19:24:16 <weirdy> fsking riddles... 19:24:22 <Karen_> and weirdy: stop staring at my chest! it is not polite... 19:24:38 *** weirdy [~weirdy@78-105-166-85.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has left #openttd [Nice... chest... i guess] 19:24:43 *** Slowpoke [~Lobster@dslb-088-073-237-119.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 19:24:44 <SmatZ> :-) 19:25:03 <dragonhorseboy> hehe 19:25:17 <dragonhorseboy> so noone here on the server then? 19:26:14 <SmatZ> seems so, why? 19:26:58 <SmatZ> the answer could be anything including sprite numbers :-x 19:27:05 <SmatZ> but it has to be something evident... 19:27:17 <dragonhorseboy> hrm 19:27:33 <dragonhorseboy> its at like 11/11 clients but only 7/8 companies .. I'm wondering whats going on :/ 19:27:42 <dragonhorseboy> <<wants to try that map for the second time 19:27:56 <glx> too many spectators I guess 19:27:58 <Karen_> SmatZ: blame it on something else 19:27:58 <SmatZ> two players play for the same company 19:28:06 <glx> or that :) 19:28:18 *** krix [~krics@fibhost-9-132.fibernet.bacs-net.hu] has joined #openttd 19:28:18 * SmatZ blames me 19:28:19 <krix> hey 19:28:22 <SmatZ> himslef 19:28:26 <SmatZ> hi krix 19:28:35 <dragonhorseboy> glx...well do you even know of any other server with a small (literally) map and friendly players? ^-^ 19:28:53 <glx> no sorry 19:28:57 <glx> I rarely play 19:29:11 <glx> except when fighting a bug 19:29:55 <dragonhorseboy> :p 19:30:00 <Belugas> which you do frequently 19:30:12 <Belugas> which means you do play oftenly ^_^ 19:30:19 <SmatZ> :-) 19:30:41 <Noldo> ln! 19:31:28 *** UserError [~User@c-98-202-77-105.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 19:31:45 <dragonhorseboy> humm *wonders about just starting a fifth server or not* 19:33:35 *** weirdy [~weirdy@78-105-166-85.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:33:54 <weirdy> Karen_: is the ottd.ccp:xxx got anything to do with the fsking riddle? 19:34:31 <SmatZ> weirdy: do you mean openttd.cpp ? 19:34:36 <weirdy> yeah 19:34:46 <Karen_> weirdy: openttd.cpp:438 is the riddle. 19:34:59 <weirdy> i swear it was a different riddle last time 19:35:02 <Prof_Frink> Is it Tom Riddle? 19:35:11 <Belugas> weirdy, may ai say you are wearing your nick very well? 19:35:17 <Belugas> -ai + I 19:35:27 <weirdy> i am? 19:35:28 <glx> weirdy: of course it's different, the file changed 19:35:29 <SmatZ> :) 19:35:30 <weirdy> how so/ 19:35:30 <Karen_> SmatZ: the one who holds the file will help 19:35:39 <Prof_Frink> Peter! 19:35:45 <Prof_Frink> Peter holds the file! 19:35:45 <SmatZ> Rubidium? 19:35:45 <Karen_> weirdy: it used to be openttd.cpp:425, but something changed. 19:35:48 <weirdy> so it has something to do with the code for ottd Karen_? 19:36:22 <SmatZ> I won't rather bother him with that riddle, he doesn't seem to like it ;) 19:37:29 <Belugas> [15:34] <weirdy> how so/ <--- your questions are weird, really weird... So oblivious that it's even strange to ask them 19:37:45 <weirdy> i'm slow -_- 19:38:22 <Belugas> maybe you're not paying attention to the various comments been posted in the channel? 19:38:33 <SmatZ> ah... 19:38:38 <weirdy> no, i'm not 19:38:43 <SmatZ> wohooooo 19:38:52 <SmatZ> thanks Karen_ :) 19:38:55 <Karen_> SmatZ: well done. 19:39:18 <weirdy> >_> 19:39:43 <Karen_> Belugas: follow SmatZ' lead 19:40:43 *** Slowpoke [~Lobster@dslb-088-073-237-119.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 19:40:47 <krix> hmm 19:40:50 <krix> Client #189 is dropped because it took longer than 500 ticks for him to join 19:40:55 <Karen_> Belugas: the one who holds the file will help 19:41:06 <glx> krix: are you the sever? 19:41:09 <krix> is this a server side problem or a client side? (because this client can connect to other servers) 19:41:10 <Belugas> mmh 19:41:12 <krix> server. 19:41:20 <glx> slow client 19:41:28 <glx> (map too big for it) 19:41:30 <krix> but it can connect to other servers. 19:41:35 <krix> and well 19:41:41 <glx> or pause_on_join disabled 19:41:43 <krix> this client was played yesterday :) 19:41:48 <krix> its enabled. 19:42:03 <SmatZ> it still can change while the map is being saved 19:42:19 <krix> hmm 19:42:40 <glx> when a client joins, the map is saved and sent to him 19:42:43 <weirdy> Karen_: can i solve it without using svn? 19:43:07 <glx> once he got it, it should do all commands performed while he was downloading in less than 500 ticks 19:45:06 <Noldo> what about the commands performed while that catch up? 19:45:06 <dragonhorseboy> hm just asking but anyone want try a challenging roads-only map? ^-^ 19:45:18 <Belugas> weirdy, i can answer at least this one for karen: yes, you do not need svn. 19:45:34 <Belugas> the sources are available on nightlies and on git 19:45:37 <glx> Noldo: with pause_on-join that should not happen ;) 19:45:41 <Karen_> weirdy: svn can never be a problem for any riddle; there are web-interfaces 19:45:50 <Noldo> glx: true 19:46:09 <weirdy> Karen_: does the 438 relate to line number/ 19:46:11 <weirdy> ? 19:46:52 <Karen_> weirdy: have you ever had contact with source files before? 19:46:57 <weirdy> yes 19:47:14 <weirdy> someone tell me what the 438 is for 19:47:39 <Karen_> weirdy: have you then ever come across error messages? 19:47:42 <glx> openttd.cpp:438 is a standard notation (we use it often) 19:47:55 <weirdy> oh, error 438? 19:48:06 <glx> no 19:48:07 <Karen_> weirdy: no 19:48:09 <weirdy> :/ 19:48:11 <Belugas> no File openttd.cpp, line number 438 19:48:14 <Belugas> pfffffff 19:48:19 <SmatZ> :) 19:48:22 <glx> assert reached file:line 19:48:28 <weirdy> right, but line 438 is the begining of an if statement 19:48:37 <glx> it's not 19:48:47 <weirdy> are you counting whitespace Karen_? 19:48:48 <Belugas> depends on which version 19:48:50 <Prof_Frink> weirdy: If you're using an old copy it may be 425 19:49:04 <weirdy> generation_seed = InteractiveRandom(); ? 19:49:13 <glx> that's the line 19:49:14 <Karen_> weirdy: yes 19:49:30 <weirdy> glx: what does that mean? 19:49:54 <glx> you need to find something about this line 19:50:09 <Prof_Frink> No, that's not it at all. 19:50:32 <Prof_Frink> You need to find something to with which to bribe Karen_ or SmatZ. 19:50:34 <weirdy> i'm looking at r12919 19:51:56 *** raimar3 [~hawk@p5489DDA7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:52:01 <weirdy> WTF DO I DO? 19:52:23 *** lolEee [~john@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 19:52:47 <weirdy> r12919 is the one i want to look at, right? 19:53:23 *** ziegenbot [~Allwin@p5B3255FC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:53:27 <glx> the rev doesn't really matter if you know what line it is 19:53:42 <Prof_Frink> Ooh look, weirdy is slowly going more insane 19:54:00 <weirdy> Karen_: do i need to look at r12919? 19:54:44 <Karen_> look at it long enough and you might go blind 19:54:53 <weirdy> -_- 19:56:44 *** raimar2 [~hawk@p5489DCD9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:57:04 <weirdy> Karen_: should i be looking at the line that reads "#if defined(WINCE) && defined(_DEBUG)"? 19:57:08 <Prof_Frink> Aww, there's very little swearing in the sources 19:57:19 <Karen_> weirdy: if you like; but it won't help you. 19:57:30 <Prof_Frink> weirdy: You need to see beyond the code 19:57:31 <weirdy> :/ 19:57:33 <glx> <weirdy> generation_seed = InteractiveRandom(); ? <-- THAT IS THE LINE 19:58:00 <weirdy> Geeks should be banned from making riddles 19:58:00 <Karen_> is there a punichment for being stupid? 19:58:16 <Prof_Frink> Karen_: Yes, it's called "being weirdy" 19:58:22 <peter1138> yes 19:58:26 *** mode/#openttd [+b *!*riddle@*.lylix.net] by peter1138 19:58:26 *** Karen_ was kicked from #openttd by peter1138 [like this] 19:58:38 <peter1138> woo, 3000t train 19:58:53 <weirdy> D: WHAT DID YOU DO 19:58:57 <peter1138> on 4000hp 20:01:40 <Belugas> weirdy, you can still talk to karen on MP 20:01:45 <weirdy> MP? 20:01:54 <Belugas> type /query Karen_ 20:01:54 <weirdy> multiplayer? 20:01:57 <Belugas> pffffff 20:01:59 <weirdy> oh, i know that 20:02:04 <Belugas> or PM 20:02:19 <dragonhorseboy> *sighs* 20:02:24 <Belugas> totally 20:02:43 *** weirdy [~weirdy@78-105-166-85.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has left #openttd [sodding people and their silly riddles ¬_¬] 20:02:43 <Prof_Frink> Member of Parliament? Prime Minister? 20:03:21 *** mode/#openttd [-b *!*riddle@*.lylix.net] by peter1138 20:03:48 <SmatZ> what 20:04:11 <SmatZ> solved #3 :) 20:04:14 <Belugas> Prof_Frink : smart ass... 20:04:18 *** Karen_ [~riddle@vps-216-75-24-180.lylix.net] has joined #openttd 20:04:25 <Prof_Frink> SmatZ: cnut. 20:04:28 <SmatZ> heeh 20:04:48 <Karen_> SmatZ: again, nice job. 20:04:51 <SmatZ> thanks :) 20:06:10 <Karen_> SmatZ: dominik solved this one with one attempt. 20:07:03 <SmatZ> and #4 20:07:18 <SmatZ> I am not sure if I did 20:07:51 <Karen_> glad to see you did too. 20:08:41 <henkie> is it possible to influence a primary industry to produce more? 20:08:45 <dragonhorseboy> hm well if anyone want to check for my server in the list and have fun ^-^ (several grfpack grf aside to george's plane grf) 20:09:06 <peter1138> george has a plane grf? 20:09:13 <henkie> like calling in the maffia 20:09:33 <dragonhorseboy> peter...several yeah 20:11:06 <peter1138> ah... they're probably all called beta2 as well 20:11:15 <peter1138> george has not really got the hang of version numbering 20:12:07 *** sartek [~sartek@82.78.230.182] has joined #openttd 20:12:07 *** replaced [~replaced@irkmaffia.com] has joined #openttd 20:12:23 <replaced> oh hai! 20:12:31 <replaced> any dev around? 20:13:05 <dragonhorseboy> peter...not quite 20:13:20 <dragonhorseboy> just check his thread on the russia forum... several neverchanged releases there ^-^ 20:13:43 <dragonhorseboy> but either way...I've used this planeset for as long as I can imagine - to our own 20:13:47 <replaced> i just built openettd 0.6 on HP-UX 20:13:49 *** elmex [~elmex@e180074145.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:15:27 <replaced> speedy, zoom, zomg! i have some patches 20:15:53 <Belugas> cool 20:16:12 <replaced> includes mostly 20:16:23 <replaced> and the stuff for configure 20:16:49 <Belugas> you migh post them on bugs.opentd.org 20:16:51 <peter1138> dragonhorseboy: EACH 20:17:01 <replaced> all right! 20:17:13 <SmatZ> HP-UX hprx B.11.23 U ia64 replaced: what is your uname -a? 20:17:38 <replaced> HP-UX grogaldr B.11.11 U 9000/785 2005479164 unlimited-user license 20:18:23 <Belugas> WIN-XP gf9adfho B.11.HU x386 what-the-heck-is-that?? 20:18:32 <SmatZ> " 367 MHz PA-RISC 8500" nice :) 20:18:38 <SmatZ> Belugas: :-) 20:18:47 <replaced> 400mhz to be precise :) 20:18:59 <SmatZ> :) 20:19:04 <glx> Belugas: MINGW32_NT-5.1 LOIC 1.0.11(0.46/3/2) 2007-12-05 00:35 i686 Msys 20:19:09 <glx> that's mine ;) 20:19:23 <Belugas> lol 20:19:37 <replaced> gotta compile it on alpha too! 20:20:00 <SmatZ> :) 20:20:14 <Karen_> Linux ottd.info 2.6.18-028stab053 #1 SMP Sun Feb 3 07:35:28 GMT 2008 i686 Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux 20:20:20 <SmatZ> :-) 20:20:39 *** bob27 [4b214c3a@67.207.141.120] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 20:20:53 <orudge> which of my 8 or so machines do you want? :p 20:21:00 <SmatZ> :-D 20:21:03 <replaced> Karen_: too plain :> 20:21:08 *** Boyinblue0 [~admin@5ac37edb.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 20:21:08 <SmatZ> orudge: some exotic 20:21:11 <orudge> hmm 20:21:17 <orudge> obiwan is probably the most exotic 20:21:26 <dih> ben 20:21:37 <orudge> Linux version 2.6.18-6-486 (Debian 2.6.18.dfsg.1-18etch1) (waldi@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-21)) #1 Sun Feb 10 22:06:33 UTC 2008 20:21:50 <orudge> VIA C7 Processor 1500MHz! 20:21:57 <SmatZ> hehe :-) 20:21:59 <orudge> which Debian seems to think is a 486, annoyingly 20:22:15 <SmatZ> 80486 @ 1500MHz 20:22:31 <orudge> it's currently running at 20 degrees C 20:22:35 <orudge> probably the coolest processor I've ever owned 20:22:37 <dih> i have one of those 20:22:38 <dih> no 20:22:40 <SmatZ> cool :) 20:22:42 <dih> i have a c3 20:22:43 <orudge> http://obiwan.lan.owenrudge.net/phpsysinfo/ 20:22:48 <orudge> aux temp is a little bit... broken ;) 20:23:04 *** Chicago_Rail_Authority [~somewhere@c-68-40-40-232.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:23:20 *** sickie88 is now known as SickieAway 20:23:24 <SmatZ> nah, you just got fire there 20:23:25 <replaced> mah netbsd machine is sleeping 20:23:26 <replaced> :) 20:23:30 <SmatZ> :) 20:23:40 <Prof_Frink> replaced: Does it contain two slices of bread? 20:24:06 <replaced> no i dont have the room... 20:24:17 <replaced> because its full of awesome! 20:24:46 <SmatZ> if I knew password to my modem 20:24:49 <SmatZ> I would show you :) 20:27:59 <replaced> is it ok to send netbsd and hpux patches in the same pr? 20:29:15 <SmatZ> I think it is better to open two tasks 20:31:48 <replaced> they are made for pkgsrc.org so the configure patch is one file 20:32:21 *** Roujin [~Roujin@mnch-4d04c8ab.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 20:35:46 <krix> bye 20:35:50 *** krix [~krics@fibhost-9-132.fibernet.bacs-net.hu] has left #openttd [Leaving] 20:36:56 *** Immow [~MIYU@c51474833.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 20:37:00 <Immow> hi 20:37:17 <Immow> I was wondering how to star a sandbox game so I can design some junctions? 20:37:22 <Immow> start* 20:38:31 <mynetdude> Immow on your own or in multiplayer? 20:38:37 <Immow> own 20:38:38 <dih> double click openttd.exe on windows, openttd.app on os x, ./openttd on linux 20:38:49 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-363c71d5.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:39:22 *** elmex [~elmex@e180074145.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 20:39:26 <Immow> building something cost money. and I just want a map tahts flat and i have unlimited money 20:39:32 <Immow> cos my junction will be "big" :) 20:39:39 <Prof_Frink> Immow: ctrl-alt-c 20:39:58 <Prof_Frink> Click the "give me more moneys" button repeatedly 20:41:09 <Immow> fun for me that ctrl alt c opens my ATI catalyst control center :) 20:41:20 <Prof_Frink> Immow: ctrl-alt-win-c 20:41:55 <Immow> thnx 20:42:00 <peter1138> stupid ati :) 20:42:03 <Immow> :3 20:42:05 <peter1138> stealing our cheat key 20:44:36 <dragonhorseboy> :p 20:45:06 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@78-21-225-220.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 20:47:12 <Ammler> You can't replace to a evaluation vehicle... 20:47:14 <Belugas> wooops... i should not have deleted that file :( 20:47:17 <Ammler> is that meant to be? 20:47:35 <SmatZ> :-x 20:47:42 <SmatZ> Ammler: I don't think so 20:47:44 <Karen_> glx: cold, very cold! 20:48:06 <glx> yeah I failed to see what I need in the savegame 20:48:20 <Karen_> glx: the most obvious thing. 20:48:56 <Karen_> (for your information: filenames are generated randomly on upload and are unrelated to the riddle itself) 20:49:59 <Karen_> glx: not that obvious :-p 20:50:41 <Immow> lol 20:50:47 <Immow> this junction is gonna insane 20:51:12 <dih> checkout openttdcoop.org juctionary 20:51:27 <Immow> :0 20:54:46 *** divo [~asd@x1-6-00-18-39-d3-e9-f6.k899.webspeed.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:56:57 <SmatZ> Ammler: strange, it seems to be shown in my autoreplace window, and it seems to work 20:57:19 <Ammler> SmatZ: yep 20:57:26 <Ammler> the engine is gone now 20:57:44 <Ammler> maybe something to do with engine_pool or something else 20:57:53 <SmatZ> there is no engine pool 20:57:56 <Ammler> can't reproduce it right away 20:57:59 <SmatZ> :-x 20:58:28 <dragonhorseboy> any of you know about pbi+brickyard? 20:58:31 <Belugas> cosmic rays have hit you 21:02:01 <Immow> how do i remove a city 21:02:14 <Immow> I can buldoze it but name stay's 21:02:44 <SmatZ> Immow: in the scenario editor 21:02:48 <SmatZ> you can't in game 21:03:17 <dragonhorseboy> either way is the brickyard supposed to be slight broken in openttd yet? 21:03:22 <Karen_> glx: still very cold.. 21:03:33 <SmatZ> :) 21:04:26 <dragonhorseboy> I've tried generate a map both with and without terragenesis & smooth and hilly landscape ... in all four I get zero quarries :/ 21:06:03 <glx> dragonhorseboy: what version? 21:06:16 <dragonhorseboy> 0.6.0 21:06:24 <glx> normal then 21:06:34 <glx> code is broken, they can't appear 21:06:36 <dragonhorseboy> hm thanks, know its not just me now 21:06:49 <glx> fixed in 0.6.1 RC1 though 21:06:51 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: truebrain * r12922 /branches/noai/ (5 files in 2 dirs): [NoAI] -Add: added AIStation::SetName() (Yexo) 21:07:17 <Wolf01> 'night 21:07:24 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host193-232-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 21:07:25 <dragonhorseboy> fixed? seriously? 21:07:51 <dragonhorseboy> hm *asks my friend about RC1* 21:07:54 <SmatZ> I tried trunk, PBI 1.2, 1024x1024, Normal industries, no quarry neither 21:08:19 <glx> but in 0.6.0 it was impossible to even place them by hand 21:08:29 <dragonhorseboy> smatz.. even brickchain V1.31 too? 21:08:50 <Immow> hmmm probably overkill this "junction" 21:08:52 <Immow> http://immow.nl/scr/index.php?pic=5.jpg 21:08:53 <dragonhorseboy> glx yeah....I still wonder why ECS wouldn't load here but then blah I guess what do I really know 21:09:30 <SmatZ> dragonhorseboy: strange, I can't find that GRF 21:09:49 *** UFO64 [~UFO64@130.111.235.135] has joined #openttd 21:09:53 <peter1138> Ammler: engine_pool problems did you say? 21:10:04 <dragonhorseboy> smatz...hmm I got it on website link from someone...perhaps pikka's livejournal or pikkarail website? 21:10:13 <dragonhorseboy> if its not in either - I have no clue then 0_o 21:10:20 <Ammler> peter1138: no, forget it :-) 21:10:24 <peter1138> oh 21:10:25 <dragonhorseboy> either way anyone here run ECS in openttd? 21:10:29 <Ammler> can't reproduce 21:10:32 <glx> SmatZ: it's in ottdcoop pack 21:10:38 *** Zahl [~Zahl@p549F18CC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 21:10:41 <dih> Ammler: you can't reproduce? 21:10:45 <dih> you poor sod 21:10:46 <dih> :-D 21:10:59 <Karen_> glx: if you look at the riddle for the first time, what would you try to do? 21:11:21 <glx> first thing I tried was getseed :) 21:11:45 <glx> then many scrollto 21:12:27 <peter1138> when i first looked at the page i saw white with images around it 21:12:44 <Karen_> glx: have i ever provided unneeded information with a riddle? 21:13:04 <peter1138> so i guess it's a firefox-only page 21:14:27 <SmatZ> depends if your browser supports translucency 21:14:48 <peter1138> ie7 does, just it's done in a different way to firefox 21:16:16 *** mikl [~mikl@0304ds2-ba.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Quit: my Mac is sleeping...] 21:17:06 <SmatZ> http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ottd.info%2Fstyle.css isn't really happy :-x 21:18:48 <dragonhorseboy> not sure why the server decided to convert but either way... 21:19:05 <dragonhorseboy> http://img3.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?bb30d4a3a3.jpg any ONE clue why ecs never works (re 0.6.0) or its probably just me? 21:19:19 * dragonhorseboy never could understand why it'll never let itself be enabled 21:19:51 <dragonhorseboy> often just played the map with default industry on these grfs otherwise 21:20:02 *** Boyinblue0 [~admin@5ac37edb.bb.sky.com] has quit [] 21:20:08 <glx> dragonhorseboy: ecs town MUST be the first 21:20:44 <glx> just read the error message given by other ECS sets 21:21:14 <Karen_> SmatZ: thank you, a stupid thing to forget to check; peter1138: can you check now, problems should be fixed. 21:21:43 <SmatZ> no problem :) 21:21:44 <dragonhorseboy> glx...still does the same...ecs town vector stays disabled and refuses to even enable 21:21:57 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i59F55AD0.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 21:22:05 <dragonhorseboy> sometimes I wonder if there's something bugging that one grf 21:22:39 <glx> and if you put it before ttrs? 21:24:14 * Sacro is stuck on question 2 :( 21:24:16 <dragonhorseboy> jeeze...*bangs head on wood table* 21:24:34 <dragonhorseboy> glx...you're too clever I didn't think of ttrs being possible at fault for messing up ecs 21:24:51 <dragonhorseboy> when I shoved ttrs to the very bottom then started a new map... ttrs ended up disabled but ecs is fully working 21:25:15 <dragonhorseboy> hmmm ecs doesn't quite replace 100% of the town buildings .. but I guess I can live with that 21:25:18 <Karen_> Sacro: the one who holds the file will help 21:25:31 <dragonhorseboy> *hugs glx so hard* 21:25:33 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r12923 /extra/ottd_grf/split/ (openttd.nfo overrides.nfo): -Change: Add engine GRF overrides for some common sets. 21:25:39 <glx> dragonhorseboy: ttrs has some params to disable its own industries 21:26:50 <dragonhorseboy> ttrs industries?...huh? 21:27:09 <dragonhorseboy> you telling me someone added industries into ttrs? (I don't even recall v2 having any which is what I run in ttdp now) 21:27:15 <dragonhorseboy> hmm that explains it now 21:28:38 *** DGMurdockIII [~dgmurdock@208-70-44-35.bb.hrtc.net] has joined #openttd 21:29:24 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 21:29:38 <DGMurdockIII> hi 21:29:49 <DGMurdockIII> do i need the orignal game to play this 21:30:13 <glx> the data files from it yes 21:30:17 <Karen_> Sacro: blame it on something else 21:30:44 <dih> DGMurdockIII: it sais in the readme file 21:32:14 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r12924 /trunk/ (49 files in 8 dirs): -Feature: Introducing the so called 'engine pool' which primarily removes the fixed engine type limits and also happens to allow (with the patch option 'dynamic_engines') multiple NewGRF vehicle sets to coexist. 21:32:27 <dragonhorseboy> hmm glx...not sure if its just the map itself but some of the ecs industries such as the forest are saying 'cargos waiting to be processed: 0 vehicles' 21:32:38 <Prof_Frink> peter1138: WOOT 21:32:42 <dragonhorseboy> at least 'production last month:' actually says '0 tonnes of wood' 21:33:01 <glx> dragonhorseboy: read ECS pages on ttdpatch wiki 21:34:04 <replaced> ok, patches sent to bugtracker, thanks 21:34:22 <SmatZ> thanks 21:34:32 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: truebrain * r12925 /branches/noai/ (4 files in 2 dirs): [NoAI] -Add: added AIIndustry::GetAmountOfStationsAround() (Yexo) 21:34:48 *** DGMurdockIII [~dgmurdock@208-70-44-35.bb.hrtc.net] has left #openttd [] 21:38:01 <dragonhorseboy> glx hm so several industries need some vehicles anytime to be able to produce more than zero I take it? 21:39:05 <glx> not really, they produce without them 21:39:27 <glx> anyway the production never start immediately 21:39:48 <Karen_> a very good night to you all 21:39:50 *** Karen_ [~riddle@vps-216-75-24-180.lylix.net] has left #openttd [] 21:45:54 <dragonhorseboy> hmmm ecs sure looks complex for a poor single player (to me) heh 21:46:22 <peter1138> it is 21:46:25 <peter1138> PBI FTW! 21:46:39 <dragonhorseboy> peter...*points to quarries* 21:46:40 <dragonhorseboy> :p 21:49:26 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: truebrain * r12926 /branches/noai/bin/ai/regression/regression.txt: [NoAI] -Fix r12925: it has been a while, but... forgot to update regression (tnx glx) 21:49:35 <dragonhorseboy> hmm I remember why I didn't want to bother going outside 0.6.0 anymore 21:49:53 <dragonhorseboy> 0.6.0-RC1 is erroring about some absurb grfs I don't even see anywhere .. neverminding about something else too 21:49:59 <dragonhorseboy> :-| 21:52:27 <dragonhorseboy> just what the hell is tbtest12.grf anyhow? 21:52:30 <dragonhorseboy> :/ 21:52:56 <peter1138> 0.6.1-RC1 21:53:03 <peter1138> no point in 0.6.0-RC1 if you've got 0.6.0 ... 21:56:05 *** XeryusTC is now known as Xeryus|bnc 21:56:56 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D583.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:57:17 <dragonhorseboy> peter...there is one tho: I can actually see quarries now :) (now to fix RC1 to shut up like I did with 0.6.0 before ... brb) 21:57:30 *** Osai^Kendo`off is now known as Osai 21:58:02 *** Roujin [~Roujin@mnch-4d04c8ab.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- The professional IRC Client :D] 21:59:04 *** nicfer [~chatzilla@168.226.104.251] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:02:13 *** archjb [arcane@gurumeditation.68k.no] has joined #openttd 22:02:25 *** UFO64 [~UFO64@130.111.235.135] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:02:44 *** UFO64 [~UFO64@130.111.235.135] has joined #openttd 22:03:03 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: truebrain * r12927 /branches/noai/src/ai/ai_gui.cpp: [NoAI] -Fix: don't crash on the GUI when an AI failed to compile and you still manual it (bug by glx) 22:06:30 *** Volley [~worf@84.119.65.133] has joined #openttd 22:06:55 *** Osai is now known as Osai^zZz 22:07:33 *** Osai^zZz is now known as Osai^zZz`off 22:07:36 <Sacro> @calc atan 3.14 22:07:36 <DorpsGek> Sacro: Error: unexpected EOF while parsing (line 1) 22:07:41 <Sacro> @calc atan( 3.14) 22:07:41 <DorpsGek> Sacro: 1.2624806646 22:07:46 <Sacro> @calc atan( 3.14 * 2) 22:07:46 <DorpsGek> Sacro: 1.41288640609 22:07:48 <Sacro> mhmm 22:07:54 <Sacro> @calc tan 1 22:07:54 <DorpsGek> Sacro: Error: unexpected EOF while parsing (line 1) 22:07:58 <Sacro> @calc tan(1) 22:07:58 <DorpsGek> Sacro: 1.55740772465 22:08:04 <Sacro> @calc atan(1.55) 22:08:04 <DorpsGek> Sacro: 0.997830183906 22:08:11 <Tefad> secreting those enzymes 22:08:13 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 22:08:13 <Sacro> @calc atan(2) 22:08:14 <DorpsGek> Sacro: 1.10714871779 22:08:15 <Tefad> secreting those hormones toooooo 22:08:27 <SmatZ> Sacro: you can PM DorpsGek if you don't know 22:08:28 <Sacro> though hang on... 22:08:33 <Sacro> is that radians or degrees 22:08:38 *** welshdragon [~xchat@host86-144-6-100.range86-144.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 22:09:06 <SmatZ> atan(1) = pi/2 22:09:22 <Sacro> SmatZ: ah indeed 22:09:32 <Sacro> so atan(2) = pi 22:09:32 <Ammler> peter1138: is your overwrite nfo code already documented? 22:10:03 <SmatZ> Sacro: no, it is not a linear functions 22:10:08 <SmatZ> -s 22:10:10 <Sacro> you sure? 22:10:19 <Sacro> @calc atan(1) 22:10:19 <DorpsGek> Sacro: 0.785398163397 22:10:23 <Sacro> sigh 22:10:26 <Sacro> i can't figure this 22:11:07 <SmatZ> errr sorry 22:11:10 <Tefad> my pancreas attracts every other pancrease in the universe with a force proportional to the product of their masses and inversely proportional to the distance between them 22:11:11 <SmatZ> p/4 22:11:22 <SmatZ> @calc atan(1) * 4 22:11:22 <DorpsGek> SmatZ: 3.14159265359 22:11:43 <Sacro> so atan(2) = pi/2? 22:12:32 <Sacro> no, 1.10 22:12:38 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: truebrain * r12928 /branches/noai/src/ai/ai_squirrel.cpp: [NoAI] -Fix: don't crash when reloading an AI that has a compile-error (bug by Fingon) 22:12:57 *** UFO64 [~UFO64@130.111.235.135] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:13:02 *** UFO64 [UFO64@130.111.235.135] has joined #openttd 22:13:34 *** Osai^zZz`off is now known as Osai 22:13:36 <SmatZ> atan(0) 22:13:39 <SmatZ> @calc atan(0) 22:13:39 <DorpsGek> SmatZ: 0 22:13:54 <SmatZ> well... tangent is periodic with period of pi 22:14:01 <SmatZ> so it is in fact pi 22:14:06 *** Immow [~MIYU@c51474833.cable.wanadoo.nl] has quit [] 22:14:17 <dragonhorseboy> hm quick question 22:14:26 <dragonhorseboy> any of you in here have serbian narrow gauge train grf? 22:14:36 <SmatZ> dragonhorseboy: it deplaces DEM 22:14:40 <SmatZ> -d+r 22:14:47 <SmatZ> if that is your question 22:15:00 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 22:15:02 <dragonhorseboy> well I'm wondering if you're able to load it in game? 22:15:17 <SmatZ> do not change grfs in-game 22:15:19 *** sartek [~sartek@82.78.230.182] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:15:58 <Ammler> dragonhorseboy: you need narraw gauge tracks too 22:16:02 <dragonhorseboy> loading only it and narrow gauge rails v0.93a ... the trainset always disable itself fatally in either order in newgrf .. even if I remove the rails grf :-/ 22:16:29 <dragonhorseboy> and no this time I don't have anything else loaded 22:17:45 <dragonhorseboy> I should mention both grfs are from grfpack7-beta1 22:17:48 <Ammler> hmm, our server is dead 22:18:55 <Ammler> dragonhorseboy: did you read the readmes? 22:19:32 <Ammler> 7beta is quite old 22:20:03 <Ammler> you need to load ngrails with 1. parameter = 4 22:20:28 <Ammler> then it will replace maglev with narrow gauge, 22:25:06 *** mynetdude is now known as mynetdude|Away 22:26:44 *** Xeryus|bnc is now known as XeryusTC 22:27:11 <Ammler> dragonhorseboy: http://img170.imageshack.us/my.php?image=serbiannarrowgaugeki6.png 22:27:18 <dragonhorseboy> sometimes I wonder where 0.5.3 went to as it was easy to figure out what was to do 22:27:38 <dragonhorseboy> (neverminding to today I still have no clue where my gamesaves are on the hd from 0.6.0 :p ) 22:29:11 <Rubidium> dragonhorseboy: then you should start by NOT reading the readme 22:30:57 <dragonhorseboy> rubidium...well excuse me for c>games>openttd060>save> not existing when >openttd053>save> it does 22:31:20 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:31:50 *** Digitalfox_Home_ [~chatzilla@bl7-182-170.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 22:31:55 <dragonhorseboy> brb 22:32:05 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:32:08 <SmatZ> dragonhorseboy: readme.txt:139 22:32:53 *** Digitalfox_ [~Digitalfo@bl7-182-170.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 22:38:22 *** Digitalfox [~Digitalfo@bl7-182-14.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:38:23 *** Digitalfox_Home [~chatzilla@bl7-182-14.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:38:53 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 22:40:19 *** UserError [~User@c-98-202-77-105.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:40:38 *** UserError [~User@c-98-202-77-105.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 22:43:18 *** UFO64 [UFO64@130.111.235.135] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:43:57 <dragonhorseboy> smatz..there's no 'my document' at all here 22:44:07 <dragonhorseboy> thats why I wonder why openttd can't just use the old /save/ folder 22:44:28 <SmatZ> dragonhorseboy: depends on your language 22:44:36 <dragonhorseboy> english 22:44:43 <SmatZ> almost ALL programs save data to that directory 22:44:48 <SmatZ> so I wonder you wonder 22:45:15 <dragonhorseboy> nope 22:45:33 <Ammler> dragonhorseboy: os? 22:45:58 <dragonhorseboy> they (especially photoshop) go to c:\files\ and any caches/scratchdisk are c:\raw\ 22:46:11 <dragonhorseboy> ammler.. xp home 22:46:13 <Ammler> SmatZ: just read the readme, there is no "global" share for linux? 22:46:26 *** lolEee [~john@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:46:31 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:47:01 <SmatZ> Ammler: I think it saves shared data to the installation directory only 22:47:23 <SmatZ> eg. /usr/share/games/openttd/bin/data 22:47:25 <SmatZ> or si 22:47:30 <Rubidium> Ammler: shared directory is conceptually different from the installation directory (at least in my opinion) 22:47:51 <SmatZ> so it is /usr/share/games/openttd/data 22:48:01 <Rubidium> in the shared directory all users should be able to write, whereas that does not need to be the case in the installation directory 22:48:25 <Ammler> indeed 22:48:34 <SmatZ> hmm 22:48:52 <Ammler> there is no common location for that in linux 22:50:08 <SmatZ> dragonhorseboy: check C:\Documents and Settings\<username>\Documents\OpenTTD 22:50:26 <SmatZ> that folder may be marked as hidden in default windows settings 22:50:44 <SmatZ> byt you should have "My Documents" link on your desktop 22:50:51 <SmatZ> or Document 22:50:55 <SmatZ> or whatever 22:51:12 <SmatZ> dragonhorseboy: what windows do you use? 22:51:25 <SmatZ> if Win9x, then you have C:\Documents\OpenTTD 22:52:00 <SmatZ> and you can always do "Windows doggie search *.sav" 22:52:52 <Ammler> and is there a reason, why scenario location is handled not as saves? 22:53:10 <SmatZ> scenarios are global 22:53:15 <Ammler> no 22:53:17 <SmatZ> I guess 22:53:20 <dragonhorseboy> xp home and there's no 'my document' .. only 'files' or 'raw' aside to the windows folder being the typical itself 22:53:21 <SmatZ> aren't? hmm 22:53:24 <Ammler> default is working directory 22:54:31 <Ammler> cfg saves are in ~/.openttd/ 22:54:40 <Ammler> but if I like to load scenario 22:54:43 <glx> "my documents" is present on all windows since win95 22:54:52 <Ammler> oh, maybe I need to create a folder scenario there 22:56:02 <Ammler> SmatZ: a small glitch :-) 22:56:05 *** Digitalfox_ [~Digitalfo@bl7-182-170.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:56:22 <dragonhorseboy> glx...not if you're doing custom install 22:56:42 <glx> then you don't follow microsoft standard 22:56:45 <Ammler> then you define mydocuments self, like I did 22:56:51 <Ammler> partition d: 22:56:57 <Rubidium> dragonhorseboy: then you would've fucked up the registry in such a manner that you would know where you would've put your "My documents" directory. 22:57:14 <Ammler> maybe its d:\OpenTTD ? 22:57:22 <dragonhorseboy> glx..not true... windows does not require that silly (which is often empty on many other systems anyhow) folder 22:57:24 <glx> Ammler: yes I redirect My documents to d: 22:57:38 <dragonhorseboy> just like I seriously do have a 98se pc that has no explorer.exe physically (and yes it does run) 22:57:49 <dragonhorseboy> ^-^ 22:58:30 <dragonhorseboy> ammler...heh 23:01:04 <glx> openttd just ask windows for the document dir 23:01:24 <glx> as specified in msdn 23:04:28 *** Digitalfox_Home_ [~chatzilla@bl7-182-170.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.81 [Firefox 2.0.0.14/2008040413]] 23:05:03 *** Digitalfox_Home [~chatzilla@bl7-182-170.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 23:05:31 *** welshdragon [~xchat@host86-144-6-100.range86-144.btcentralplus.com] has left #openttd [welshdragon] 23:08:27 <Ammler> dragonhorseboy: you can still keep the old way by keeping the cfg in the directory where the openttd.exe is. 23:09:13 *** Volley [~worf@84.119.65.133] has quit [] 23:09:31 <Rubidium> (again as described in the readme) 23:11:26 *** Osai is now known as Osai`off 23:12:08 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: smatz * r12929 /trunk/src/town_cmd.cpp: -Fix [FS#1967](r12560): town rating was too often reset to Mediocre 23:12:23 *** boes_ [~boes@adsl-75-41-168-16.dsl.okcyok.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:13:30 *** dragonhorseboy [~dragonhor@modemcable147.26-58-74.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 23:18:53 *** ziegenbot [~Allwin@p5B3255FC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:20:11 *** SickieAway [~sickie@BSN-210-251-71.dial-up.dsl.siol.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:27:17 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl51B789B0.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:32:03 <teeg> oh, while I've patched ottd for a friend of mine (apparently buildottd caused his computer to bluescreen repeatedly, so I had to do it for him) to support his (and my) 30" monitor, I figure I might as well see if I can't get that in to trunk: http://mindriot.as/bigger_resolution-r12929.patch (yes yes, it's a simple patch. sue me.) 23:33:22 *** elmex [~elmex@e180074145.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:34:48 <Rubidium> teeg: fails to apply horribly on trunk 23:34:59 <teeg> oh? 23:35:37 <glx> use a clean trunk next time 23:48:37 <Rubidium> how hard can it be to sync such a simple patch to trunk... 23:50:08 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a46c58.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:50:14 <glx> it should apply with an offset in r12778 23:50:54 <teeg> It was actually made against 0.6.1-rc1, but apparently you made a modification in 12779 which removed that constant in its entirety from ottd. 23:51:29 <glx> nice you found it ;) 23:51:47 <glx> now tell us what it means 23:52:03 <teeg> and I'm currently recompiling trunk to see if that fixes the resolution issue. which is why I went silent and didn't sputter around here arms flailing helplessly. 23:52:41 <teeg> and the answer to that is very simple. it no longer applies. forget the patch. 23:53:26 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:54:59 <SmatZ> :) 23:55:18 <teeg> or, at least it does on windows. I haven't got linux running on this monitor, so I can't verify those platforms.