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00:04:13 *** GoneWacko [GoneWacko@86-60-155-109-dyn-dsl.ssp.fi] has quit [Quit: You will never be the man your mother was!] 00:04:14 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 00:11:15 *** [1]Roujin [~Roujin@p5497370A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Wibbly Wobbly IRC] 00:13:58 *** Chicago_Rail_Authority [~somewhere@c-68-40-40-232.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:33:38 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B75F10.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:40:05 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B75410.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:57:36 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-20-245.adslplus.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:00:39 *** Digitalfox_Home [~chatzilla@bl7-176-37.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:07:20 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 01:13:18 *** llugo [lugo@p4FD87E6A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:20:16 *** lugo [lugo@p4FD850AD.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:02:44 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: belugas * r12950 /trunk/src/newgrf.cpp: -Fix: two includes is one too much 02:11:23 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: belugas * r12951 /trunk/src/settings_gui.cpp: -Fix(r9762)[FS#1977): Revert the new difficulty settings of town and industries back to their initial values. 02:13:05 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 02:21:01 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: Night All.] 03:09:36 *** Trond [~nope@ti131310a080-5716.bb.online.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:44:39 *** mynetdude is now known as mynetdude|Away 03:47:17 *** mynetdude|Away is now known as mynetdude 03:56:12 *** mynetdude is now known as mynetdude|Away 03:57:16 *** mynetdude|Away is now known as mynetdude 04:23:44 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@p5B11E047.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 04:31:18 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@p5B11E047.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: dR3x4cK] 04:37:08 *** k-man [~jason@ppp244-232.static.internode.on.net] has joined #openttd 04:37:17 <k-man> do you get paid more for longer hauls? 04:48:23 <echinos> YES!! 04:48:34 <echinos> a lot more 04:49:05 <k-man> that seems strange to me 04:49:15 <JelloX> ...why 04:49:16 <k-man> i mean 04:49:47 <k-man> its too easy to maniplulate 04:50:11 <k-man> i'm not sure of the solution 04:50:31 <k-man> but somehow it just seems to easy to place your stations at opposite ends of the map to maximise profit 05:00:30 *** Osai`off is now known as Osai 05:02:11 *** Trond [~nope@ti131310a080-5456.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 05:18:55 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 05:25:29 <echinos> k-man: well, you don't usually start with enough money to do that, depending on map size... 05:25:41 <k-man> true 05:25:46 <k-man> but do you see my point? 05:25:49 <echinos> but yeah, money is normally not a problem in openttd 05:26:07 <echinos> the challenge is more about building good train networks 05:26:33 <k-man> agreed 05:26:35 <echinos> and, I guess, see just how much money you can make 05:26:38 <echinos> ;) 05:26:42 <k-man> true 05:26:53 <k-man> but why ship things across the map if you can ship it locally 05:27:05 <echinos> I couldn't make money the first few times I played it, 'cause I didn't know about the distance thing 05:27:09 <k-man> maybe if there was more penalty for the time taken 05:27:19 <k-man> ie closer deliveries would be more profitable cos they are faster 05:28:03 <echinos> that would be bad on the other end of the scale though... you could spend a *tiny* amount of money and make a lot 05:28:19 <k-man> hmm good point 05:28:42 <k-man> imagine its more a supply and demand thing 05:28:43 <echinos> forcing you to make long rail lines complicates things pretty fast ;) 05:28:59 <echinos> I think it's just a game mechanics thing, really 05:29:05 <k-man> the price of a comodity should be the same, but cost of delivery is higher for longer distances 05:29:45 <echinos> yeah, but you're not involved in the commodity price, just delivery 05:29:58 <echinos> who knows what the power station is paying the coal mine 05:31:00 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-62-167-37-249.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 05:31:59 <Noldo> I wonder if the power station is able to add the super high transport costs to the consumer price 05:32:58 <echinos> so that they can't afford cars and have to take public transit ;) 05:33:01 <k-man> well exactly 05:33:07 <k-man> i can see why its done the current way 05:33:13 <k-man> i just wonder if theres a better way 05:35:38 <k-man> the other way would require a lot of supply and demand modeling 05:35:43 <k-man> it would be very complex 05:35:55 <k-man> more like sim city than a transport game 05:37:05 <Noldo> money could be renamed to building points or something like that 05:38:12 <k-man> hmmm 05:41:23 <echinos> well, there are a few things I've seen, but they're like certain passengers wanting a certain destination 05:45:33 *** Osai is now known as Osai`off 06:10:50 *** Roest [~ralph@p54B9CAA5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 06:11:05 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm99.epsilon123.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 06:11:20 <Roest> morning 06:13:26 <Alberth> good morning 06:18:42 *** SirBob [~chatzilla@c122-107-227-146.eburwd5.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 06:20:07 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5538B.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 06:22:51 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 06:23:28 <Roest> alberth i see lots of your stuff made it into trunk 06:24:27 <Alberth> yeah, very good. Rubidium as usual did also some improvements to my patches. 06:24:56 <Roest> lets see what's broken now :) 06:25:26 <Roest> ah 06:25:31 <Alberth> nothing, they are all just code changes..... :) 06:25:43 <Roest> window_gui.h:297: error: âvoid (* Window::wndproc)(Window*, WindowEvent*)â is private 06:26:17 <Alberth> use w->HandleWindowEvent(e) instaed 06:26:22 <Alberth> s/ae/ea/ 06:27:43 <Roest> _place_proc(e->we.place.tile); 06:28:11 <Alberth> hmm, Rubidium did more... I need to have a look! 06:28:50 <Roest> well it happened within the last 20 commits, so not too much to check 06:29:55 <Alberth> how do you manage your patches? 06:30:07 <Alberth> (in particular the patch sequences for trunk?) 06:30:25 <Roest> how do you mean that? 06:32:30 <Alberth> I use SVN to update 'my' trunk, then make branches with bzr from that, and create my patches in the branches. However, I am not really happy with this approach 06:33:07 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-88-79.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Quit: The ending changes tone & is actually quite sad - but it involves a scene of necrophilia, so that's just another plus in my book.....] 06:33:30 <Roest> right now i did a fresh checkout and try to apply my 12930 patchpack 06:35:06 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-88-79.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 06:36:23 <Alberth> since my patches are usually too big for one patch file, after I created the patch, I make another branch, and copy changes over to the new branch until I have a patch for trunk. Then I commit the new branch with bzr, copy more changes, etc etc until I have a sequence of trunk-ready patches 06:36:47 <JelloX> SO HELP 06:36:48 <JelloX> HELPP 06:36:50 <JelloX> shit 06:36:52 <JelloX> WRONG CHAN 06:36:53 <JelloX> DAMN IT 06:36:55 <blindcoder> moin 06:37:53 <Alberth> ie I use bzr intermediate commit's for handling the incremental changes, and generating the diffs 06:40:01 <Roest> since i do no trunk stuff and most patches arent mine i just keep them close to a current rev, combine them in packs of 3, then merge them all 06:41:37 <Alberth> you update each patch file to trunk, and then merge them together to construct your patch pak? 06:42:13 <Roest> not always 06:42:23 <Roest> but that's the general idea 06:42:40 <Roest> no point in updating everything if there's just 20 revs between 06:43:02 <Alberth> as long as it merges correctly, I guess 06:43:22 <Roest> anyway this is strange 06:43:30 <Alberth> I see we have a Window constructor, I see 06:43:40 <Alberth> what is strange 06:43:49 <Roest> airport_gui.cpp line 101, this compiled just fine 06:44:12 <Roest> the exact same code in the copy_paste_gui.cpp does not 06:45:58 <Roest> maybe you dont have the same airport_gui.cpp line 101, i see this is modified too 06:46:26 <Roest> gonna find out what this changed to, it's used all over the place 06:46:36 *** elmex [~elmex@e180065100.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 06:46:59 *** elmex [~elmex@e180065100.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:48:09 <Roest> oh damn 06:48:36 <Roest> it's not that line 06:48:46 <Roest> i'm not awake yet i guess 06:48:56 <Alberth> no, it seems line 142/143 06:48:58 <Roest> getting up at 6:45 has its drawbacks 06:49:23 <Roest> that line is ok 06:49:53 <Alberth> I was up at 6:00 already (and it is my last day off, I must be doing something wrong..) 06:50:06 <Roest> if (button < CPW_FIRST_CLICKABLE || !(w = FindWindowById(WC_COPY_PASTE, 0)) || w->wndproc != CopyPasteWndProc) {DeleteWindowById(WC_COPY_PASTE, 0); 06:51:07 <Alberth> ARGH!! 06:51:42 <Alberth> niet nog een hacky compare tegen een adres van een window event handler!! 06:52:07 <Roest> oh damn, if he falls back to his native language he's angry 06:52:11 *** mikl [~mikl@0304ds2-ba.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Quit: mikl] 06:52:28 <Alberth> well, it is your patch ;) 06:52:43 <Roest> nah copypaste is frostregens 06:52:55 <Alberth> the same hack was also in build toolbar windows 06:53:01 *** elmex [~elmex@e180065100.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 06:53:26 <Roest> he probably does it how i do it, look how it's done in other windows and copy the code 06:53:38 <Alberth> we had 3 WC_BUILD_STATION windows (for ships, planes, and trains) 06:54:04 <Alberth> train build compared against its winproc to check it is the right one. 06:54:35 <Alberth> Rubidium fixed that by using a different window_number for each build station window (at least that is what the log said) 06:56:01 <Alberth> r12939 06:56:58 <Alberth> - Window *w = FindWindowById(WC_BUILD_TOOLBAR, 0); 06:57:23 <Roest> looking at the patch right now 06:58:04 <Alberth> how many WC_COPY_PASTE windows exist? 06:59:38 <Roest> just one, looks pretty clear now, just have to add the type in openttd.h and copy the code from the patch 07:00:27 <Alberth> you can simply remove the w->wndproc check then (it should never fail) 07:00:42 *** SirBob [~chatzilla@c122-107-227-146.eburwd5.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.82 [Firefox 2.0.0.14/2008040413]] 07:02:12 <Roest> or that 07:05:20 <Roest> yea works 07:10:20 *** lolEee [~john@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 07:12:18 *** Benny22Canberra [~dfojdfo@202.81.69.133] has joined #openttd 07:13:01 <Benny22Canberra> can anyone send me this damn sample.cat file? haha 07:13:08 <ln> no. 07:15:59 <cjk> google it. 07:16:12 *** Benny22Canberra [~dfojdfo@202.81.69.133] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:16:29 <cjk> much faster than asking anyone here to squeeze it through their modem line 07:17:19 <Alberth> I would have done that first, before asking 07:17:32 * cjk pats Alberth 07:17:34 <cjk> not everyone is as smart :) 07:18:13 <Alberth> well, apparently, he considers asking in a channel faster than looking for it. 07:18:46 <Roest> cjk this is how it looks correctly http://b.imagehost.org/view/0672/screen2.png 07:19:05 <Alberth> so maybe I am just doing things the wrong way here :P 07:19:12 <cjk> Roest: so you got it working now? 07:19:37 <Roest> yea, not sure if it's a good permanent solution 07:19:39 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@adsl-58.36.Static.ssp.fi] has joined #openttd 07:19:47 <cjk> well, what is good in your opinion? 07:20:12 <Roest> i'm just using alpha test now instead of alpha blending 07:20:35 <Roest> this is ok if the alpha is just binary 07:21:34 <cjk> well now try applying a 50% alpha to the entire image and see if it dims correctly 07:22:01 <cjk> also, or perhaps instead, you might want to wrap the 3d window into its own program 07:22:06 <cjk> to rule out a wx fault 07:22:08 <Roest> i don't want it to dim, i needed to removed the boxes from around the brain area 07:22:21 <cjk> oh 07:22:32 <cjk> if it's just that, you should have looked at asteroids3D, which does just the same 07:32:12 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-62-167-37-249.adslplus.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:36:05 *** Deathmaker [~Miranda@dslb-082-083-208-062.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 07:36:33 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has joined #openttd 07:38:41 <SmatZ> hello 07:39:13 <Roest> jo 07:39:28 <Roest> yo 07:39:31 <Roest> lo 07:39:59 <Tefad> ro 07:40:14 <peter1138> no 07:41:01 <k-man> bo 07:47:54 *** raimar3 [~hawk@p5489DBEC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:52:47 *** raimar2 [~hawk@p5489E5D4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:55:34 *** mikl [~mikl@adsl.peytz.dk] has joined #openttd 07:56:02 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host217-42-221-117.range217-42.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:56:39 *** Deathmaker [~Miranda@dslb-082-083-208-062.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:57:10 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host217-42-221-117.range217-42.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 07:57:46 *** Deathmaker [~Miranda@dslb-082-083-196-179.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 07:58:36 <Roest> anyone with forum mod rights here? 07:58:55 *** k-man [~jason@ppp244-232.static.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:00:22 *** mynetdude is now known as mynetdude|Away 08:01:49 <Roest> is there a trainset that has all freight types in mag levs? 08:09:14 * Roest kills a cricket 08:09:15 <peter1138> yes 08:09:23 <peter1138> origengs.grf ;) 08:10:03 <Roest> peter can you do me a favor please? 08:10:41 <Roest> delete the 2nd post in this thread http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=37171 08:14:49 *** Deathmaker [~Miranda@dslb-082-083-196-179.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:16:43 <planetmaker> Hey, Roest, what's wrong with my post?? 08:17:39 <Roest> uh why yours? 08:17:47 <planetmaker> delete the 2nd post in this thread http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=37171 08:18:07 <planetmaker> nvm. Mixed up browser tabs :P 08:18:12 <Roest> lol 08:19:09 <planetmaker> sorry :) I guess it's good my tea just is ready :P 08:19:20 * Alberth puts book about elementary counting back on the shelf 08:19:27 <Roest> apparently you need something stronger 08:19:37 <planetmaker> Tea lasts longer than coffee :) 08:20:28 *** peter1138 is now known as petra1138 08:20:37 <planetmaker> lol ^^ 08:20:40 <Roest> gender change 4tw 08:21:39 *** petra1138 is now known as peter1138 08:27:23 <cjk> DND land purchase wtf :p 08:27:31 *** dlunch [~dlunch@61.108.29.49] has quit [Quit: ì ìŽë§ ê°ëë€.] 08:27:39 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-62-167-37-249.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 08:28:53 *** Nite [~anonym@62.178.193.175] has joined #openttd 08:31:46 *** Nite [~anonym@62.178.193.175] has quit [] 08:33:47 *** raimar3 [~hawk@p5489DBEC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:36:40 *** raimar3 [~hawk@p5489C087.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:42:34 *** Maedhros [~jc@host86-137-227-227.range86-137.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 08:43:45 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 08:48:28 *** Volley [~worf@84.119.65.133] has joined #openttd 08:50:33 <cjk> hm, what directory in ~/.openttd do I need to put new GRFs in? 08:50:47 <SpComb> presumeably data 08:51:19 <Ammler> maybe you need to create it 08:51:29 <cjk> hm I did 08:51:43 <cjk> it tries ~/.openttd/data, but the newgrf dialog does not list any of the GRFs I added 08:52:01 <Ammler> "rescan" the grfs 08:52:18 <Ammler> or which Version of ottd do you use? 08:52:20 <cjk> Ah, I need to add it ;-) 08:52:32 <Ammler> ok :-) 08:53:26 <cjk> meh openttd just crashed after adding all ECS grfs 08:53:58 <Ammler> cjk: did you try it on a running game? 08:54:07 <Ammler> or do you have an error msg? 08:54:08 <cjk> yes it works after a restart 08:54:21 <cjk> afte rhitting "apply" on the newgrf dialog the thing just segfaulted 08:54:35 <cjk> since it works after a restart i'm all happy already :p 08:54:38 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm99.epsilon123.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [] 08:54:54 <Ammler> cjk: just have the town vector as first 08:55:53 <cjk> nice nice. 08:56:05 <cjk> hm the sand pit just loses sand even if I am not transporting! :p 08:56:18 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 08:56:43 <Roest> it has a hole deep down inside 09:01:43 <cjk> so do you happen to know what hopper to use for sand? 09:02:19 <cjk> i do have the town vector 09:03:40 *** ralph_ [~ralph@p54B9E0F4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:04:00 *** Roest is now known as Guest3160 09:04:00 *** ralph_ is now known as Roest 09:04:05 <Eddi|zuHause2> i guess this huge warning saying "OTTD may crash if you do this" does have its purpose :p 09:04:06 *** raimar2 [~hawk@p5489D652.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:04:29 <cjk> what, where 09:04:47 <Eddi|zuHause2> if you change newgrfs within a running game 09:05:04 <cjk> i was not in a game, unless the title screen is a game 09:05:18 <Eddi|zuHause2> that should work... 09:05:31 <Eddi|zuHause2> in that case, try to reproduce it ;) 09:05:43 <Alberth> I found a small graphics glitch with the North Americal Renewal Trainset, see http://b.imagehost.org/view/0688/graphic-glitch.png The passenger cars and the engine at the end stick out at the left of the window. Where should this be reported? 09:06:07 * Roest waits for the global warming to arrive 09:06:17 <SmatZ> Alberth: to the newgrf author I would say 09:06:25 <SmatZ> if it works in TTDP 09:06:29 <SmatZ> the same wya 09:07:24 *** Guest3160 [~ralph@p54B9CAA5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:07:33 <Alberth> I don't know whether it works in TTDP, no Win* machine in the building 09:07:49 <Eddi|zuHause2> wine ttdpatchw.exe -y 09:08:12 <Roest> bash: wine: command not found :P 09:09:35 <Alberth> Eddi: Does that work without a Win* OS? (I assume not) 09:10:11 <Ammler> It does: quick howto: http://www.openttdcoop.org/wiki/Ttdpatch 09:10:14 *** raimar3 [~hawk@p5489C087.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:15:42 <SpComb> patchman used to develop TTDPatch on OS X 09:16:20 <Eddi|zuHause2> Alberth: wine works without having windows 09:17:22 <Alberth> Eddi: So Ammler told me (thanks!). Getting it installed now. 09:29:12 *** raimar2 [~hawk@p5489D652.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:30:47 <Frostregen> hmm, i can deliver (and get paid for) the same cargo multiple times 09:31:12 <Frostregen> by interrupting the unloading process, after beeing paid 09:31:19 *** raimar2 [~hawk@p5489D4F6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:33:25 <SmatZ> Frostregen: in 0.6 ? 09:33:39 <SmatZ> I don't think this was even possible in 0.5 09:33:59 <SpComb> Frostregen: do you get the same amount of cash each time? 09:34:42 <Frostregen> slightly less, as some goods get lost 09:35:04 <Frostregen> i tested it with 12951 09:35:13 <Frostregen> but should work with 0.6 too 09:35:47 <SpComb> and I guess it works in multiplayer as well, then? 09:36:00 <Frostregen> there should be no difference 09:36:02 <SmatZ> Frostregen: what do you mean by 'interrupting the unloading proces'? sending train to depot? 09:36:07 <Frostregen> exactly 09:36:50 <Frostregen> in my first setup i needed to unload/load the cargo at another station 09:37:01 <Frostregen> before getting money for it again 09:38:19 <Frostregen> maybe the payment should be after unloading all cargo? 09:39:27 <Eddi|zuHause2> each cargo package should remember if it has been paid for 09:39:44 <peter1138> how about not letting the vehicle move when it's unloading 09:40:13 <SmatZ> Frostregen: I really can't reproduce it 09:40:25 <Maedhros> hmm. i thought we'd fixed that at one point (a long time ago) 09:40:29 <Frostregen> i'm creating a savegame... 09:42:45 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.212.246] has joined #openttd 09:45:33 <Alberth> Hmm, should anything happen when starting ttdpatch, other than the CPU load jump to 1? :P 09:45:56 <Alberth> Also tried a Windows version, but cannot get it installed 09:46:38 <Alberth> Maybe it doesn't like my AMD-64 CPU :) 09:47:05 <Alberth> (although running Linux in 32bit mode) 09:49:53 <Maedhros> it's worked fine with my amd64 for years ;) 09:50:15 <blathijs> Alberth: Apart from the fact that this is #openttd, and not #ttdpatch, I assume ttdpatch should actually do something when started :-) 09:51:03 *** Aerandir [magic.powe@90-230-201-111-no37.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 09:52:00 <Alberth> blathijs: I expected that too. I'll just report the glitch mentioning that I only tested it with OpenTTD. Tnx all. 09:53:20 <blathijs> Alberth: Uh, I was suggesting you are mixing up projects. Are you having problems with OpenTTD, or with TTDPatch? 09:54:47 *** raimar3 [~hawk@p5489E67B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:54:49 <Frostregen> http://saddam.ath.cx/Urwald_Transport.sav 09:55:21 <Alberth> blathijs: I was trying to test a graphics glitch (http://b.imagehost.org/view/0688/graphic-glitch.png) I discovered yesterday in OpenTTD 09:56:07 <SmatZ> Frostregen: you take cargo 09:56:44 *** insulfrog [~trainslov@AC8F5A2D.ipt.aol.com] has joined #openttd 09:56:49 <insulfrog> hi 09:56:50 <blathijs> Alberth: So you just mistyped, and nothing is TTDPatch related? 09:56:58 <blathijs> Or you were trying to compare with TTDPatch? 09:57:10 <Frostregen> open up train window, open train orders window, start train, click 2 times on "send to depot" right after payment, skip to next order, wait for unload/load, repeat 09:58:19 <Alberth> blathijs: SmatZ suggested to test it in TTDPatch, to check that OpenTTD code is correct (ie it is a NewGRF problem and not a C++ problem) 09:58:38 <Frostregen> (actually wait till train leaves, before second click on send to depot) 09:58:55 <blathijs> Alberth: Ah, I see 09:59:10 <SmatZ> Frostregen: interesting 09:59:21 <blathijs> Hmm, I should have read back a few lines before asking stupid questions :-) 09:59:28 <peter1138> lots of grfs do that. it is a grf 'problem' 09:59:39 *** raimar2 [~hawk@p5489D4F6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:00:02 <blathijs> What exactly is the glitch? I can't seem to find it in the screenshot 10:00:20 <Eddi|zuHause2> the wagons stick out of the window on the left 10:00:25 <peter1138> the latest version of nars does not do that 10:00:41 *** Aerandir [magic.powe@90-230-201-111-no37.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:01:26 <blathijs> ah, I see 10:02:09 <Alberth> ok, I'll wait for ottdc grfpack 7.1 10:02:44 <peter1138> latest version being the prerelease of version 3, heh 10:03:02 <Maedhros> Frostregen: basically, this is just the problem that vehicles don't know not to pick up cargo that they just unloaded 10:03:28 <Frostregen> +it unsets some "this cargo is already paid" marker 10:03:54 <Frostregen> if i try to get directly paid for the cargo at another station, it doesnt work 10:03:55 <Maedhros> that marker is stored by the train, not the cargo 10:04:12 <Maedhros> so when you unload the cargo, the marker gets unset 10:04:12 <Frostregen> ah, ok 10:04:23 *** Aerandir [magic.powe@90-230-201-111-no37.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 10:05:17 <Frostregen> it is hard to exploit anyway 10:06:01 *** Trond [~nope@ti131310a080-5456.bb.online.no] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:10:51 <SmatZ> I think you should definitely report it 10:11:13 <SmatZ> but in a way that people won't start exploiting it :) 10:11:43 <SmatZ> well, I don't know 10:11:47 <SmatZ> but it should be fixed 10:12:05 <Ammler> Alberth: not sure, if 7.1 will have new version of NARS 10:12:27 <Frostregen> i think peter1138 approach did sound good. just don't move trains until fully unloaded 10:12:42 <Alberth> Frostgen: now that you mention this problem, I remember weird cargo problems with ECS vector industries where you were just below the limit of what the industry accepted. Unfortunately, cannot really recall the details :( 10:13:09 <SmatZ> Frostregen: I think being paid after cargo unload is a better idea 10:13:20 <SmatZ> but it changes game behaviour... 10:13:33 <Frostregen> SmatZ: this introduces a possible leak of money 10:14:25 <Alberth> Ammler: Ah well, I'll take that chance. Just noticed it by accident 10:14:29 <SmatZ> Frostregen: you can store somewhere how much you should be paid 10:14:42 <Frostregen> hm, right 10:15:07 <SmatZ> or you could store the information that the packet has been unload in the cargo packet 10:15:08 *** raimar2 [~hawk@p5489E1D7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:15:13 <Alberth> Would labeling the cargo as originating from the dest station help? 10:15:24 <SmatZ> Alberth: no 10:15:34 <SmatZ> you could unload it then at different station again 10:15:41 <Maedhros> cp->paid_for = false; 10:15:45 <Maedhros> /* When cargo is moved into another vehicle you have *always* paid for it */ 10:15:53 <Maedhros> (cargopacket.cpp:209) 10:16:44 <Maedhros> that's probably what causes it (apparently whether the cargo is paid for *is* stored with the cargo now) 10:16:54 <Alberth> What about re-labeling from 'nowhere' (ie invalid station)? 10:16:55 <SmatZ> great :) 10:17:01 *** ooo4tom [~tom@92.2.204.234] has joined #openttd 10:17:53 <Frostregen> so the question is, what other things depends on this line? 10:20:39 *** raimar3 [~hawk@p5489E67B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:33:00 <Roest> lol, friend of mine has to fix a software project that was outsourced to india and failed 10:33:04 *** insulfrog [~trainslov@AC8F5A2D.ipt.aol.com] has left #openttd [] 10:38:56 *** ooo4tom [~tom@92.2.204.234] has left #openttd [] 10:40:34 *** Trond [~nope@ti131310a080-5456.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 10:44:50 <k-man_> is it possible to have a local game with no competitors? 10:45:09 <Roest> why shouldnt it 10:45:18 <ln> Roest: ' 10:45:32 <Roest> takes too much time to type it 10:45:59 <Roest> but i make you an offer, here: ''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' 10:46:08 <Roest> that should be enough for today and tomorrow 10:46:12 <Roest> after that you get more 10:46:44 <ln> Roest: your precious time should not be wasted, but all the hundreds of readers' time should? 10:46:56 <Eddi|zuHause2> not if i throw in anti-apostrophs: ,,,,,,, :p 10:47:12 <cjk> or reverse ones ````````` 10:48:08 <peter1138> pressing ' is slow? :o 10:48:09 <Maedhros> "hundreds of [...] time" ? :-P 10:48:38 <Alberth> In: What precious readers' time were you referring to? :P 10:48:48 <peter1138> l is not I 10:48:58 <ln> lndeed not 10:49:43 <Eddi|zuHause2> I am not l either 10:51:25 <Alberth> Ah, it's a different letter! 10:54:10 <st6> is the drive thru bus stop slower than the normal? 10:54:25 <Roest> it's faster 10:56:13 <Alberth> st6: Arriving and leaving buses don't get in each others' way 10:57:59 <cjk> Alberth: get a better font 11:02:22 <Eddi|zuHause2> problem with drive through is that you need a separate location for turning the busses 11:02:36 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 11:03:16 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 11:03:28 *** shodan [user@ppp101-219.static.internode.on.net] has joined #openttd 11:04:00 <cjk> kinda easy 11:04:30 <Alberth> cjk: Well, it's not better, but hopefully less confusing 11:05:28 <Eddi|zuHause2> well, road loops look kinda ugly... it'd look nicer if i could put a (one way) drive through stop on a curve 11:05:58 <cjk> curve o_O 11:06:13 <Roest> ^^ 11:06:16 <Roest> cur've 11:06:21 <cjk> curvé 11:06:26 <cjk> anyway 11:06:35 <cjk> how would that look like? 11:06:43 <Eddi|zuHause2> is that not an english word? 11:07:15 <Roest> don't know, our grammar and spelling cop didn't shout 11:07:33 <Eddi|zuHause2> http://dict.leo.org/?search=curve 11:08:26 <Eddi|zuHause2> anyway, say i have a road crossing 11:08:28 <Eddi|zuHause2> | 11:08:31 <Eddi|zuHause2> +- 11:08:57 <Eddi|zuHause2> i could put a "curved stop" next to it 11:09:01 <Eddi|zuHause2> |\ 11:09:02 <Eddi|zuHause2> +- 11:09:19 <Eddi|zuHause2> where \ is the stop, and only to be used by busses 11:09:40 <Eddi|zuHause2> then the busses could go into the stop, and use the crossing to go back the way they came from 11:11:45 <Roest> http://stinfwww.informatik.uni-leipzig.de/~mai03gex/pics/linuxisevil.gif 11:12:09 <SmatZ> :-D 11:13:36 <cjk> well... 11:13:48 <Eddi|zuHause2> wait... we ARE a terrorism cell, right? 11:13:48 <cjk> the fact is they use it because it's more reliable (which is just what you want as a terrorist, no?) 11:14:09 <cjk> if every Qaeda bomb ran with Windows CE, uhm, expect 80% in failures 11:14:45 <Eddi|zuHause2> Silence! 11:14:50 <Eddi|zuHause2> I kill you! 11:15:01 <cjk> bombiges Wetter heute ... 11:15:25 <Roest> bombig'es 11:15:40 <Eddi|zuHause2> does that even have a proper translation? 11:15:43 <trd> wtb new forum buff: Flame resistance. Start out at 10% and work slowly towards 90%. 11:15:56 <trd> er 11:15:57 <trd> mt 11:16:06 <trd> That was supposed to go to the Anarchy-Online channel. 11:16:10 <Roest> lawl 11:16:22 <Eddi|zuHause2> we totally need that in openttd :p 11:16:39 <Roest> i was going to say the ottd forums are tame why would you need that here 11:17:07 <Roest> AO, there are still people playing that? 11:17:08 *** Ridayah [~ridayah@137.81.113.87] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:17:47 <trd> Yes 11:18:02 <trd> And I bet a lot of people will be returning to it when the new GFX engine is launched this fall :) 11:19:00 <Roest> not me, that release put funcom on my (very short) list of publishers i never buy a game from again 11:19:12 *** insulfrog [~trainslov@AC8F5A2D.ipt.aol.com] has joined #openttd 11:19:28 <trd> hehehe 11:19:56 <trd> EA is on my list.. and it's about it. I'm happy I wasn't around for the launch of AO though. 11:20:37 <Roest> that was by far the worst mmo launch i ever played 11:20:52 <trd> I don't doubt it. I heard it was... havoc. 11:21:25 <cjk> Eddi|zuHause2: perhaps "bombastic" 11:21:32 <trd> they're launching Age of Conan in a few weeks... Will be fun to watch how that goes. I think they've learned though.. that game was pushed back for at least two years. 11:21:40 <Roest> guess that lost them quite some customers 11:21:43 * cjk slaps Roest with a Deppenapostroph 11:25:22 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r12952 /trunk/src/news_gui.cpp: -Cleanup: Indenting and codestyle 11:28:50 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl51B789EC.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 11:29:45 *** Ridayah [~ridayah@137.81.113.87] has joined #openttd 11:32:02 *** gfldex [~dex@dslb-092-078-020-186.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 11:33:54 *** gfldex_ [~dex@dslb-092-078-026-173.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:34:36 *** insulfrog [~trainslov@AC8F5A2D.ipt.aol.com] has left #openttd [] 11:34:56 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-108-75.fttx.bbned.nl] has joined #openttd 11:36:56 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r12953 /trunk/src/ (9 files): -Feature: Open a new viewport when ctrl-clicking on a 'Location' button, a town/station/industry list, or some news items. 11:39:02 *** Boyinblue0 [~admin@5ac85a91.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 11:39:07 <Noldo> :) that was fast 11:39:29 <Eddi|zuHause2> that sounds cool 11:41:18 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-108-75.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [Quit: Caught sigterm, terminating...] 11:41:33 <cjk> i'd rather have it with the middle mouse button than ctrl+click 11:42:06 <cjk> like firefox 11:43:02 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B8439C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:44:52 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B814AC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 11:44:56 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 11:45:03 *** CIA-3 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:47:57 <orudge> Woo, my DOS-based dedicated server has been playing for around 8 hours (with a bunch of AI players) quite happily. Very slowly (one day is about 8 seconds), but it works. :P 11:48:51 <Roest> nice, a bunch of noai players or oldai? 11:49:04 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-108-75.fttx.bbned.nl] has joined #openttd 11:49:21 <orudge> ldnewai (as in, what was the "new ai" that did road vehicles) 11:49:28 <orudge> *oldnewai 11:49:33 <cjk> DOS? 11:49:40 <cjk> ... 11:49:57 <Maedhros> hmm. newspapers seem to ignore the transparent station signs settings 11:50:03 <orudge> Yes, DOS :) 11:50:11 <cjk> why o why, o dos! 11:50:27 <orudge> Why not? 11:50:40 <cjk> oh so it's that masochistic feeling :) 11:50:48 <cjk> to get something to run on the weirdest archs 11:50:57 <SmatZ> Maedhros: newspaper ignore all trnasparency and invisibility settings 11:50:58 <Roest> cjk didn't you know, orudge is also the maintainer of the Z80 port 11:51:41 <orudge> cjk: well, I wrote an OS/2 port. ;) I also ported OpenTTD to DOS back in early 2004, but that port fell into disuse, so I decided to report it. This time, I got networking working, too :D 11:52:14 <cjk> must be a ram sucker 11:54:13 <orudge> Well, I had a dedicated server running fine (256x256 map) on a virtual machine with 16MB of RAM. When I tried to load a few newgrfs though, it crashed with an out of memory error. 11:54:16 <Maedhros> SmatZ: oh, ok 11:54:23 <cjk> command.com, 60k. NDIS driver, ?k. TCP stack, 80k. 11:54:26 <trd> Wonder if OTTD works on netbsd. Would be fun to boot a playstation into NetBSD just to play OTTD. 11:54:35 <orudge> so more is better ;) 11:54:47 <cjk> no way that fits into 640k 11:55:12 <Maedhros> i think netbsd support was committed a few days ago, actually 11:55:15 <orudge> cjk: obviously, OpenTTD uses DPMI on DOS, it doesn't really care about the low memory area 11:55:52 <orudge> anyway, the TCP/IP stack is built into OpenTTD (it uses WATTCP). So all that's needed is a packet driver in memory. 11:57:22 <orudge> FreeDOS 1.0 comes with a whole load of packet drivers, and lots of network-enabled applications. It's quite fun. Maybe OpenTTD will be bundled with a future version of FreeDOS, when our graphics and sound are free. ;) 11:59:37 <cjk> given that most people run Windows or some *nux anyway.... 11:59:59 <Roest> 'nux 12:00:14 * cjk slaps Roest 12:00:41 <orudge> Well, yes, "most people" run a more modern OS. But if we can give something to those who still choose to use the likes of DOS or OS/2, then why not? I know at least one user who says they'd find a DOS port of OpenTTD useful, so if anything else, that's one user I've made happy. ;) 12:01:17 <peter1138> cjk: we have no code at all for middle-mouse button handling 12:01:23 <cjk> some 3 year old with grandpa's 386 :) 12:02:05 <peter1138> OpenTTD under DOS will rock :D 12:02:32 <peter1138> can we have a VESA video driver? heh 12:02:41 <cjk> SDL can do vesa output 12:02:44 <cjk> or was it svga.. 12:02:51 <peter1138> SDL does svgalib 12:02:59 <peter1138> well, used to 12:03:01 <cjk> seems to be the same more or less 12:03:16 <peter1138> i don't know if it is 12:03:28 <peter1138> svgalib is not a dos thing, after all 12:03:43 <cjk> I am inclined to believe that SVGA is a card-specific operation, while VESA is that general thing provided by the BIOS+card 12:03:47 <orudge> peter1138: yes, you'll be able to use VESA 12:04:12 <Roest> and sound is speaker output? 12:04:23 <peter1138> hmm, yes, sound drivers :o 12:04:30 <peter1138> GUS support! 12:04:44 <ln> VGA ought to be enough for anyone 12:04:54 <Roest> any'one 12:05:00 <ln> no 12:05:17 <orudge> video support will be: standard VGA, Mode-X, VESA, VBE/2.0,VBE/3.0, VBE/AF 12:05:30 <cjk> ttd in 320x200? ugh.. 12:05:45 <ln> cjk: what are you talking about? 12:05:53 <orudge> sound support: SB 1.0, 1.5, 2.0, Pro, 16, ESS AudioDrive, Ensoniq Sound System, Windows Sound System 12:05:54 <cjk> "VGA" means 320x200x8 12:06:05 <ln> source for this piece information? 12:06:09 <cjk> DOS games. 12:06:23 <orudge> cjk: indeed it does. I'd probably recommend 640x480 as a minimum. ;) 12:06:40 <cjk> 640x480x4bit is also some sort of VGA, right. But a not so colorful one. 12:06:51 <ln> cjk: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Vector_Video_Standards2.svg 12:06:53 *** Boyinblue0 [~admin@5ac85a91.bb.sky.com] has quit [] 12:07:06 <trd> ln beat me to it 12:07:11 <orudge> and just for good measure - MIDI: Adlib, OPL2, OPL3, SB midi, MPU-401, DIGMID (software samples), AWE32 12:08:09 <orudge> My intention is to use the Allegro game library for OpenTTD. Allegro can also be used on a bunch of other platforms, but I think we already have ports to most, if not all, of those. 12:08:18 <Gekz> AALIB! 12:08:26 <Gekz> I want OpenTTD in ASCII glory damn itr 12:08:30 <orudge> (do we have a QNX port?) 12:08:33 <cjk> Gekz: SDL does aalib. 12:08:38 <Gekz> oh goody 12:09:07 <cjk> ln: it's mostly correct, but it is missing the bit depth, which was very important in the early days. 12:09:23 <Gekz> so we're porting ottd to dos 12:09:25 <Gekz> >_> 12:09:37 <SmatZ> orudge: is there any unified interface for sound and video? even when you have a very old VGA card? (without VESA extensions) 12:09:38 <orudge> porting? it's already been ported, mostly :P 12:09:45 <Gekz> oh dear. 12:09:57 <orudge> esides, TTD started off on DOS, we may as well port OpenTTD back to TTD's spiritual home :P 12:10:15 <Gekz> NO 12:10:17 <Gekz> KEEP IT AWAY 12:10:30 <orudge> SmatZ: well, the VESA standards are the closest things to a "unified standard", with VBE/* being newer versions of it 12:10:35 <Gekz> port it to AIX so you can call yourself satanic 12:11:20 <orudge> as for sound - almost everything is Sound Blaster compatible 12:11:22 <cjk> cga was - in qbasic and LOTS of games (Blues Brothers, Commander Keen) - cga=320x200x2,640x200x2,640x400x2, ega=320x200x4,640x350x4, vga=320x200x8, theother vga =640x480x4,640x400x4, herc=720x576(or so)x2 and svga=640x480x8,800x600x8,... 12:11:23 *** lolEee [~john@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:11:30 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@p5499C1C8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:11:47 <Gekz> svga ftw 12:12:40 *** Osai`off is now known as Osai 12:13:35 <stillunknown> Doesn't vbe give you access to higher resolutions? 12:13:40 *** k-man_ [~jason@ppp255-50.static.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 12:13:51 <stillunknown> eg, non-text modes 12:14:39 <cjk> VBE is VESA :p 12:14:45 <orudge> Yers 12:14:47 <orudge> *Yes 12:14:52 <cjk> yer's 12:15:38 <stillunknown> Well, it's a vesa extension iirc. 12:16:08 <orudge> used to play various Allegro games in resolutions that my CRT didn't really like supporting back in the day - 2048x1536 type things 12:16:19 <cjk> VESA Bios Extensions 12:16:25 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 12:17:54 <peter1138> 320x200x8bpp was MCGA/VGA 12:18:27 <cjk> just what I said :p 12:18:29 <peter1138> (VGA because CGA and EGA couldn't do it, but MCGA was not very common) 12:19:03 <Brianetta> Multiple knifing in Leeds 12:19:12 <cjk> Forking in pidgin. 12:19:14 <Brianetta> I wonder if that would have made a national headline int her US 12:19:26 <Gekz> nope 12:19:30 <Gekz> they're busy bitching about which idiot will win the election 12:19:35 <Gekz> it doesnt matter, you're screwed either way 12:20:17 <Brianetta> They only let US-born Americans become president. I think they should reverse that entirely; only allow foreigners to lead them. 12:20:24 <Gekz> oh man 12:20:26 <Gekz> that would so rock 12:20:55 <peter1138> but... arnie... 12:21:07 <Gekz> lol 12:21:10 <Gekz> kill him 12:21:10 <Gekz> move on 12:21:16 <cjk> kill bill 12:21:39 <Brianetta> peter1138: He's not foreign 12:21:48 *** ceiv [~asd@x1-6-00-18-39-d3-e9-f6.k899.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 12:21:50 <cjk> he is? 12:21:58 <Brianetta> No, he's a US citizen 12:22:04 <cjk> but born outside US 12:22:15 <Brianetta> I'm talking totalk foreigners; if they don't speak English, that's better 12:22:25 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@p5499C1C8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: dR3x4cK] 12:22:28 <Brianetta> Get some Chinese peasant to take the reigns 12:22:28 <peter1138> you said US-born, heh 12:22:30 <Brianetta> er 12:22:31 <Brianetta> reins 12:22:42 <Brianetta> No, I stated their rules 12:22:43 <cjk> reigns. 12:22:50 <Brianetta> I said "reverse that entirely" 12:22:56 <Brianetta> cjk: Nope 12:23:10 <Brianetta> reins, as in horse, not reigns, as in what a king does 12:23:26 <Brianetta> You can't take the reigns 12:23:30 <Brianetta> reign is a verb 12:23:57 <Brianetta> Just making that mistake in the first place fills me with shame; I know better. 12:24:28 <Eddi|zuHause2> "ZÃŒgel" 12:25:56 *** Slowpoke [~Lobster@dslb-088-073-226-005.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 12:27:30 <Gekz> my girlfriend had a dream about me stealing someones wallet lolo 12:27:42 <peter1138> did you? 12:28:36 <Gekz> no 12:28:41 <Gekz> thats why I lol'd 12:28:44 <Gekz> I don't do that 12:28:46 <Gekz> not any more... 12:34:14 * Roest looks for his wallet 12:35:24 <Gekz> Roest: doesnt put your hand there! That's my e-penis :/ 12:35:29 <Gekz> doesnt? wtf 12:35:30 <Gekz> dont* 12:35:46 * Roest gives Gekz two ' 12:35:46 <ln> Gekz: the apostrophes 12:35:55 <Gekz> ln: que? 12:36:03 <Gekz> Mi ne komprenas. 12:36:14 <ln> Gekz: ' 12:36:16 <Roest> the apostroph cop just got you 12:36:25 <Gekz> ln: si? 12:36:45 <Gekz> my apostrophe key doesnt work 12:36:45 <ln> Gekz: if what? 12:36:45 <Gekz> lo 12:36:51 <Gekz> i just mashed it. 12:36:53 <Gekz> ... 12:36:55 <Gekz> fail. 12:37:01 <Gekz> brb 12:37:08 <Roest> lol 12:37:12 <Gekz> lol 12:37:12 <Roest> lo'l 12:37:18 <Gekz> theres so much gunk under that key 12:37:21 * Gekz cleans 12:37:29 <Roest> gunk? 12:37:31 <Gekz> ''''''''' 12:37:32 <Gekz> yay! 12:37:34 <Gekz> gunk, crap 12:37:37 <Gekz> dust 12:37:39 <Gekz> dust bunnies 12:37:41 <Roest> gun'k 12:37:42 <Gekz> corpses 12:37:43 <ln> Gekz: in the meanwhile, you can write "does not", "will not", etc. 12:37:49 <Gekz> I shant 12:37:54 <Gekz> OH PWNERED 12:38:04 <Gekz> I shanty 12:38:23 <Roest> blah stupid irc [14:41] [Nickname] Erroneous Nickname 12:39:16 <Roest> i need a forum ignore option 12:39:36 <Roest> someone write me a greasemonkey script plz 12:40:47 <Maedhros> doesn't adding people to your "enemies" list do that for you already? 12:40:59 <Roest> there is an enemies list? 12:40:59 * Maedhros has never tried it, though 12:41:07 * Roest goes looking 12:41:57 <Maedhros> Roest: "Friends and Foes" in the user control panel (if you're using the English translation) 12:41:59 <Roest> nice 12:42:05 <Roest> it works 12:42:10 <Roest> so much better 12:43:20 <Maedhros> argh 12:43:22 <Maedhros> "TTD is counted as abandonware by the original publishers" 12:43:24 <Maedhros> *stab* 12:43:33 <ln> surely 12:44:22 <ln> do they link to the announcement by the original publishers? 12:46:11 <Gekz> ln: counted 12:46:15 <Gekz> not established 12:46:35 <Gekz> and abandonware is a phallacy anyway 12:46:42 <ln> count dracula 12:46:43 <Gekz> it just means noone has the money to sue you if you screw with their code 12:46:45 <Maedhros> err, fallacy ;) 12:46:52 <Gekz> Maedhros: nein 12:46:55 <Roest> phallus 12:47:21 <Roest> count chocula 12:47:48 <Gekz> NEIN 12:47:48 <Roest> http://www.derok.net/countchocula/images/count%20chocula%20box%20old.jpg 12:49:25 * Maedhros is off to lectures 12:49:33 <peter1138> on a bank holiday :o 12:49:45 <orudge> cjk: fyi, my network and LFN-enabled FreeDOS install currently uses 61KB of conventional memory, 21KB of upper memory, 362KB of reserved memory, and 1.4MB of extended memory (sitting at command.com). 577KB of conventional free, plenty ;) 12:49:50 * orudge 's lectures are cancelled 12:49:54 * orudge has a practical due in tonight though 12:50:07 <peter1138> how much does openttd take up? 12:50:11 <orudge> well 12:50:35 <orudge> I don't know exactly, but I managed to run a dedicated server in 16MB of RAM (256x256 map) without problems 12:51:00 <orudge> once I added a chunk of newgrfs, it ran out of memory 12:51:09 <orudge> I'll have to perform some proper tests when I can 12:51:09 <peter1138> that figures 12:51:59 <peter1138> ooh, my bread is starting to smell nice 12:52:06 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.203] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:52:40 <Gekz> peter1138: how many days did you leave it out for 12:52:56 *** mikl [~mikl@adsl.peytz.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:58:02 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 12:58:05 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:58:49 <peter1138> Gekz: -30 minutes so far 12:58:57 <Gekz> lol 12:59:49 <Roest> My firewall says there is a virus in the file 'OpenTTDAutoUpdater.exe'. Is that true or not? 13:00:28 <planetmaker> ^^ don't frighten me... :S 13:00:51 <Roest> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=36759&start=20 13:01:22 <Roest> nice firewall too, mine dont have virus checks 13:03:03 <SmatZ> Roest: it connects somewhere and downloads an exe, so it may be considered dangerous by antivirus 13:03:15 <orudge> peter1138: well, openttd itself seems to use 80KB of conventional memory, plus 13.2KB for the DPMI server. Running a 256x256 map, no GRFs, dedicated server uses about 11MB of XMS 13:04:02 <Roest> i was going to answer yes it's true but it's too late already and he should cancel his CC card and telephone subscriptions 13:04:31 <Roest> but then i didnt because of the friendly spirit 13:04:53 <orudge> making it 1024x1024 seems to use 25MB of XMS 13:05:39 <Eddi|zuHause2> TTO used around 2.5MB i kinda remember 13:05:54 <orudge> 56MB XMS with 2048x2048 13:06:15 <orudge> it may be using EMS too, potentially, hmm 13:06:39 <Eddi|zuHause2> i never understood the difference in EMS and XMS 13:06:39 <orudge> ah, well, no, it'll just be the EMS isn't available because the XMS is using it ;) 13:06:43 <Gekz> rofl 13:06:48 <Gekz> my boss just got kicked out of his flat 13:06:57 <Gekz> and the chick that kicked him out told me on msn >_> 13:07:01 <Gekz> this whole situation makes me angry 13:07:03 <Eddi|zuHause2> go ask him for a raise now :p 13:07:09 <SmatZ> :) 13:07:11 <Gekz> hes in another nation 13:07:11 <Gekz> lol 13:08:13 <Eddi|zuHause2> if you do not have an apostrophe key, write out the damn words! 13:08:39 <peter1138> orudge: so basically it's much like normal then :D 13:09:15 <orudge> seems to be, no reason it ought to be any different really 13:09:15 <Gekz> Eddi|zuHause2: no 13:09:16 <Gekz> :D 13:10:24 *** CIA-3 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has joined #openttd 13:12:16 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.203] has joined #openttd 13:12:16 *** insulfrog [~trainslov@AC8F5A2D.ipt.aol.com] has joined #openttd 13:12:40 <insulfrog> hi, how is all? :) 13:12:48 <orudge> Most splendid 13:12:58 <orudge> except that I need to go and do some actual academic work instead of hacking around with OpenTTD 13:13:08 <insulfrog> ok :) 13:14:26 *** Digitalfox [~Digitalfo@bl7-176-37.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 13:15:41 <insulfrog> Has anyone used the latest 'MiniN' version of OTTD? 13:15:55 <orudge> Not in a long time 13:16:29 *** llugo [lugo@p4FD87E6A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 13:17:05 <insulfrog> I have just downloaded it a couple of days back and it includes an 'experimental' version of Path Based Signalling (PBS) 13:17:06 <Roest> isn't the last one rev 9000 something 13:17:23 <insulfrog> no, it is r8928 13:17:27 <orudge> that was an old version of PBS 13:17:29 <orudge> take a look at YAPP 13:17:32 <orudge> it's a new PBS patch 13:17:59 <Roest> 8928 :) 13:18:10 <peter1138> heh, ancient 13:18:27 <Roest> ask orudge for the dos version too 13:18:41 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm99.epsilon123.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 13:19:18 <insulfrog> I tried to but apparently, there appears to be something not correct as the OTTD version for that would not compile using Microsoft Visual Studio Express Edition 13:20:02 <insulfrog> Let me just sort some stuff out, then I'll explain it all :) 13:20:28 * Roest can't wait to hear it 13:20:30 <peter1138> unfortunately, miniin is dead 13:21:10 <peter1138> your statement is a bit like "Has anyone used the latest Windows ME version of Windows? 13:21:58 <Roest> so peter what is it with you and the analogies 13:24:09 <insulfrog> Now, do I need an SVN version of OTTD for the patch to work? 13:24:44 <Roest> most likely 13:25:45 <insulfrog> now, the version that TortoiseSVN checkout gave me is r12954 13:25:49 <insulfrog> (brb) 13:26:51 * Roest waits for the return 13:30:24 <Alberth> Roest: In the mean time, you can prepare a response for the reject he'll get 13:30:54 <Roest> i'm trying to remember what the last problem with yapp was 13:31:12 <Roest> think the rectangle code change 13:31:27 <Roest> or maybe that was paxdest 13:31:49 <peter1138> something to do with non-uniform stations 13:33:35 <Eddi|zuHause2> easiest would be to tell him to "update" to 12697 13:34:09 <Eddi|zuHause2> (and make sure he's using trunk, instead of any branch) 13:34:36 <Roest> 2nd easiest would be using BuildOTTD 13:34:43 <Eddi|zuHause2> hm, my bridge patch for miniin should be lying around somewhere still ;) 13:34:48 <Roest> easiest would be using an already existing binary 13:35:16 <Eddi|zuHause2> that won't help him build it with visual studio :p 13:38:34 *** elmex [~elmex@e180065100.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:40:18 <Rubidium> Roest: but pointing him to the location where those binaries are is lame ;) 13:41:08 <Roest> oh btw rubidum, what kind of warnings? gcc 4.2.1 gives none 13:41:29 * Roest fails at tab completion 13:42:04 <Rubidium> probably unused variables or empty blocks 13:42:26 <cjk> -Wall -Wformat=2 -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 ... run that 13:42:35 <cjk> then perhaps, -Wredundant-decls too 13:44:12 <Rubidium> that last one gives loads of warnings 13:44:53 <insulfrog> ok, I'm back 13:45:36 <Rubidium> seems it doesn't like compile time 'asserts' 13:46:01 <SmatZ> Roest: for (...); instead of for (...) { } 13:46:32 <SmatZ> gcc 4.3 gives warning for empty body of loops 13:46:32 <insulfrog> now what I was saying 13:46:39 <Alberth> Rubidium: those are inside the compiler :P 13:46:48 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 13:47:23 <Roest> smatz but that's a construct which is pretty often used, not only by me 13:48:03 <peter1138> yes, just do " { }" instead of ";" 13:48:12 <peter1138> then it's an explicit empty body 13:48:25 <Alberth> SmatZ: Can't we keep the curly brackets? They are much better noticed than a semi-colon 13:48:55 <peter1138> Alberth: you read it the wrong way around :) 13:49:31 <Alberth> peter1138: noloc-imes a naht deciton retteb hcum era yehT ?stekcarb ylruc eht peek ew t'naC :ZtamS 13:49:42 <hylje> :o 13:49:43 <insulfrog> Now, I now download the latest patch for 'Yet Another PBS Patch' (YAPP) from you-know-where 13:49:59 <SmatZ> huh Alberth 13:50:13 <SmatZ> [15:48:04] <peter1138> yes, just do " { }" instead of ";" 13:50:31 <Roest> insulfrog are insisting in compiling it yourself, if not there's also windows binaries posted in that thread 13:50:36 <Lakie> That would be more logical as its easier to follow. 13:50:41 <Lakie> Even though both are valid. 13:51:33 <Eddi|zuHause2> "warnings" are not about "valid", they are about "people often get this wrong" 13:52:14 <Lakie> Heh, sorry, I've been toding too much c# 13:52:19 <peter1138> one of the reasons our coding style enforces { } for multiline ifs 13:52:31 <Lakie> (In which null statements are valid but will give warnings) 13:54:00 <Lakie> Without the { } though, only the first instruction would be done with the if... 13:54:23 <hylje> braces? pff. 13:54:32 <peter1138> Lakie: exactly 13:54:52 *** FlashFF [~nun@80-193-4-162.cable.ubr05.gill.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 13:55:31 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.203] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 13:55:33 <peter1138> one day i shall acquire commit rights to ttdpatch, to clean up its bit of C... 13:56:19 <FlashFF> hello 13:56:30 <Alberth> hai 13:56:32 <Lakie> Hehe 13:56:33 *** elmex [~elmex@e180075201.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 13:56:52 <Lakie> First you would have to write the .diff file or patch. 13:57:16 <peter1138> write a diff? how insane 13:57:50 <peter1138> hmm, bee-season 13:58:16 <hylje> B 13:58:48 <Lakie> Errr... 13:58:57 <Lakie> I meant write the changes and generate a diff 13:58:59 <Lakie> Heh 13:59:40 <insulfrog> Now the latest patch is 'OpenTTD-r12934___yapp_r12810_v6_2_svn', bit I don't think that patch is compatible with OTTD build r12954, is it? 13:59:49 <insulfrog> *but 14:02:32 <Lakie> Depends on what it changes and the changes between the revisions. 14:02:51 <insulfrog> hmm... 14:05:54 <insulfrog> I'll try it anyway 14:06:14 * insulfrog backs up the build, then applies the patch 14:06:25 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.203] has joined #openttd 14:07:24 * insulfrog uses TortioseSVN to apply the patch 14:07:51 <Roest> computer will blow up 14:08:30 * insulfrog now attempt now to compile the build using Visual C++ Express 14:08:48 <Eddi|zuHause2> insulfrog: best you use tortoise to "update" to r12810 first 14:09:19 <Roest> nah the patch he uses is updated for 12934 already 14:10:28 <insulfrog> the build it its curent before I applied the patch 14:10:39 <insulfrog> (tried it earlier) 14:12:44 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1E4C9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:13:12 * insulfrog starts the building process 14:17:46 <Eddi|zuHause2> oh... confusing naming scheme... 14:18:15 * insulfrog discovers there is 'png.h', 'zlib.h' and 'ft2build.h' missing from the project 14:18:47 <Eddi|zuHause2> did you try to build openttd without patch first? 14:18:59 <Eddi|zuHause2> did you get useful.zip? 14:20:15 * insulfrog tries building his backup 14:20:28 <insulfrog> stand by 14:21:22 * Roest stands by 14:21:41 * Rubidium keeps sitting 14:21:43 <Eddi|zuHause2> there is no use making a "backup", svn does that for you automatically 14:22:15 <Eddi|zuHause2> just use "revert" from the tortoise menu 14:22:35 <insulfrog> I normally back up manually (just in case :p ) 14:22:37 <Rubidium> if it is important, then somebody has mirrored your data, otherwise it is not important 14:23:58 <insulfrog> still the same .h files are still missing 14:24:44 <Roest> now are they missing or no entry in the .vcproj files? 14:24:53 <insulfrog> (must be something that visual studio express can't handle) 14:25:02 <Rubidium> insulfrog: have you followed the manual? 14:25:53 * Roest remembers that dilbert comic, engineers don't read manuals 14:26:16 <insulfrog> I did but, I don't think I understood it properly 14:29:06 <insulfrog> I think I missed the files you mentioned :p 14:32:57 * insulfrog downloaded the files and unzips them 14:33:30 <Sacro> you need the .h files in an include\ folder 14:33:37 <Sacro> and the .dll in err 14:33:39 <Sacro> lib\ 14:33:47 <insulfrog> cheers Sacro 14:34:00 * insulfrog salutes him :p 14:35:01 <Sacro> i use VS2005Pro myself 14:35:18 <Sacro> i do have 2008pro too 14:35:30 <insulfrog> I use Visual Express (since its free :p ) 14:36:06 *** mynetdude|Away is now known as mynetdude 14:37:03 <Lakie> Sacro: .h in include\ and .lib in lib\, and finally the dll in the excutable's folder in one of the folders of the PATH environment variable. 14:39:06 *** shodan [user@ppp101-219.static.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: Client Exiting] 14:40:03 *** Mihai [~chatzilla@89.39.35.66] has joined #openttd 14:40:25 *** Mihai [~chatzilla@89.39.35.66] has left #openttd [] 14:40:29 *** Mihai [~chatzilla@89.39.35.66] has joined #openttd 14:40:37 <Mihai> #openttd.dev 14:40:54 <Mihai> what's the channel for dev server ? 14:41:01 *** Mihai is now known as ropiku 14:41:09 <Belugas> there is none, as far as i know 14:41:16 <Belugas> you have this channel, of course 14:42:04 <Rubidium> dev server? 14:42:06 <Rubidium> what dev server? 14:42:21 <ropiku> sorry, I mistaken with openttdcoop 14:43:19 <planetmaker> ropiku: #openttdcoop.dev 14:43:29 <ropiku> thank you, joined 14:43:46 *** Roujin [~Roujin@mnch-4d04c3fa.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 14:43:56 *** ropiku [~chatzilla@89.39.35.66] has left #openttd [] 14:46:46 <FlashFF> Question: is there a openttd build that is a pure dedicated server? ie all of the extra stuff taken out and nicely optimised? 14:47:00 <Roest> nope 14:47:02 <FlashFF> dammit 14:47:13 <Ammler> heya, tried to make desync-debug build: http://paste.openttd.org/5394 14:47:33 <Ammler> FlashFF: you could compile it self 14:47:55 <Ammler> but the size doesn't really matter 14:48:19 <FlashFF> i tore out all the extra stuff once, and made a nice server that auto reset and all that malarky, but due to a horrible hd fail i lost it all. Back to square 1 i suppose lol 14:48:20 <Ammler> and you won't have performance advantages 14:48:36 <insulfrog> are you sure that the dll(s) came with the openttd-useful download? 14:48:42 <FlashFF> yeah i was basically looking for a raw build i could alter 14:49:38 <FlashFF> My old version i added build in mysql support and a scheduler and such but the longest part of the whole thing was stripping out the extra bits 14:50:17 <FlashFF> note to self: backup more often 14:52:17 *** ooo4tom [~tom@92.2.204.234] has joined #openttd 14:52:39 *** ooo4tom [~tom@92.2.204.234] has left #openttd [] 14:52:47 <Ammler> FlashFF: well, you should also post your diffs to share such things 14:53:00 <Ammler> then you would have automatically a backup :P 14:54:36 <peter1138> aarrggghhhhh 14:54:38 <peter1138> it's too hot! 14:54:52 <Roest> it's too cold, sorry 14:54:58 <peter1138> wrong 14:55:03 <Roest> no you 14:55:04 <peter1138> it's too hot 14:55:34 <FlashFF> lol dunno how well the diff woulda worked, i really ripped it apart 14:55:37 <Roest> that whole global warming thing is a lie 14:55:51 <FlashFF> but the plan was to share it once it worked well enough 14:56:06 *** mynetdude is now known as mynetdude|Away 14:57:28 <FlashFF> bugger 14:57:32 <FlashFF> the world hates me 14:57:53 <hylje> bugger all 14:58:02 <FlashFF> my VirtualPC linux install is borked by the looks of it 14:58:12 <Roest> http://stinfwww.informatik.uni-leipzig.de/~mai03gex/pics/button.jpg 14:59:05 <Ammler> HEEEELLLLPPP! 14:59:49 *** mynetdude|Away is now known as mynetdude 14:59:57 <peter1138> it's about 35°C... in my greenhouse 15:00:00 <peter1138> with the door open 15:00:13 <Roest> lol 15:00:28 <Roest> i can imagine you sitting in the green house with a laptop 15:00:45 <peter1138> the other thermometer says it's 25°C 15:00:52 <peter1138> no, i have legs 15:01:16 <peter1138> http://poststuff5.entensity.net/050508/roof.jpg 15:01:56 <Roest> http://stinfwww.informatik.uni-leipzig.de/~mai03gex/pics/ceiling_cat.jpg 15:03:15 <insulfrog> hmm... something is not right 15:04:12 <Roest> same not right as earlier or something different not right? 15:04:21 <insulfrog> where do you put these 'include' and 'lib' folders? 15:04:27 <Roest> if it's the latte you could say you're making progress 15:04:30 <Roest> +r 15:05:22 <insulfrog> (in your uncompiled OTTD folder or in your Visual C++ folder?) 15:06:01 <Sacro> latter 15:07:05 <insulfrog> visual c++ folder 15:07:36 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: smatz * r12955 /trunk/src/openttd.cpp: -Fix (r12858): compilation with desync debug was broken 15:09:09 <Sacro> why do i have VJ# 15:09:49 *** ropiku [~chatzilla@89.39.35.66] has joined #openttd 15:10:51 <insulfrog> don't know, perhaps you was studying Java :) 15:11:12 <Sacro> C:\Program Files\Microsoft Visual Studio 8\VC 15:11:15 <Sacro> is where i put them 15:11:40 * Sacro fancies some simsig 15:12:08 <insulfrog> sorted 15:12:54 <insulfrog> now, I have to figure out where it is compiled to 15:13:20 <Roest> that's usually easy to find out 15:13:45 <insulfrog> 060 beta 5? 15:14:24 <Roest> unlikely 15:19:30 <insulfrog> I found the exe in the debug folder :) 15:19:53 <cjk> see, msvc is so complex 15:21:07 *** Digitalfox [~Digitalfo@bl7-176-37.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:21:46 <insulfrog> I know that there are files to copy from the original TTD, but other than that, is there anything else to do? 15:22:14 <ropiku> insulfrog: no 15:22:25 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 15:25:54 <insulfrog> (no language packs?) 15:26:35 <insulfrog> hmm... 15:27:02 <cjk> included. 15:27:14 <Sacro> heh 15:27:19 <Sacro> you need to move the lang/*.lng 15:27:29 <cjk> just $PACKAGEMANAGER install openttd 15:27:52 <Roest> ./configure make 15:28:08 <cjk> ./configure: unknown argument: make 15:28:14 <Roest> crap 15:28:26 <blathijs> Just ./configure 15:28:29 <cjk> at least do it the right way 15:28:30 <blathijs> and then make 15:28:44 <cjk> ./configure --install-dir=$PWD/rt && make install; 15:28:56 <Roest> now i know why it's not working 15:29:05 <cjk> Roest: www.doingitwrong.com 15:29:30 <Roest> lol i like that site 15:32:02 <Sacro> ./configure &; make 15:32:14 <blathijs> Sacro: That's a bad idea 15:32:19 <blathijs> either do && or ; 15:32:29 <Sacro> blathijs: depends how quick the configure is :p 15:32:31 <blathijs> Now it will configure in the background while starting to make immediately :-) 15:32:49 <cjk> Sacro: syntax error 15:32:57 <Sacro> yeah true 15:32:59 <cjk> so it's not really an idea that eats your disk 15:33:01 <Sacro> ./configure & ; make 15:33:11 <cjk> still syntax error 15:33:15 <cjk> it's _either_ & or ; 15:33:19 <blathijs> Bash doesn't grok empty statements then? 15:33:29 <cjk> well, then _write_ an empty statement the right way 15:33:36 <cjk> ./configure & :; make 15:33:46 <cjk> but then again, ./configue & make is just faster (and wrong btw) 15:34:02 <cjk> running make while configure is not finished => www.doingitwrong.com 15:34:33 <Sacro> http://www.internetisseriousbusiness.com/ 15:35:23 <cjk> http://youtube.com/watch?v=7vNsDhFaKUk 15:36:28 <cjk> and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzgEi_u9-88 15:36:30 <Sacro> don't hassle the hoff 15:36:45 <Sacro> <3 collegehumour 15:37:08 <cjk> hasselhoff is the better rickroll :p 15:37:33 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@78-21-225-220.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 15:43:00 <insulfrog> ok, I have got it to run 15:43:08 <Roest> grats 15:43:09 <insulfrog> (finally) 15:43:51 <insulfrog> now, testing to make sure everything is working 15:45:07 <insulfrog> wait a minute 15:45:31 * Roest gets his PBS for dummies 15:45:42 <insulfrog> there is a file that is not readable 15:46:04 <insulfrog> but the debug window does not say 15:47:08 <insulfrog> (there must be something missing) 15:47:26 * Roest takes his grats back 15:47:49 <insulfrog> lol 15:47:53 <insulfrog> :p 15:49:09 <insulfrog> it is playable 15:50:19 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@adsl-58.36.Static.ssp.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:51:18 * insulfrog wonders what file could be missing 15:55:13 <Sacro> cjk: http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1806407 15:55:13 <insulfrog> any ideas what file could be missing? 15:55:38 * Roest looks into crystal ball 15:56:57 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@p5499C1C8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:57:49 * Sacro scratches crystal ball 15:58:50 *** GoneWacko [GoneWacko@86-60-155-109-dyn-dsl.ssp.fi] has joined #openttd 15:58:51 <Roest> it's cloudy 15:59:01 <Roest> and has a scratch 16:04:17 <glx> <Sacro> you need to move the lang/*.lng <-- no you need to move the exe in bin 16:05:41 *** Zahl [~Zahl@p549F1D12.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 16:05:48 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: belugas * r12956 /trunk/src/industry_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Code-style application on switch-case aligment 16:06:23 <insulfrog> cheers (gives everyone a thumbs up) 16:06:53 * insulfrog goes and tests it 16:09:10 *** Roest [~ralph@p54B9E0F4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:11:09 *** egladil [~egladil@goth-gbg-109-143-233-83.3.cust.bredband2.com] has joined #openttd 16:12:08 <insulfrog> now, according to the YAPP thread, there is a 'patch' option, which allows you to turn on PBS signals and it is located under the 'construction' tab 16:12:19 <Sacro> <3 yapp 16:13:00 <insulfrog> (YAPP = Yet Another PBS Patch) 16:13:03 <Sacro> i know 16:13:16 <Sacro> i've been playing OpenTTD for years 16:13:20 <Sacro> since 0.3.6 iirc 16:13:29 <insulfrog> I cannot seem to find that option 16:13:38 <Sacro> i don't recall that one 16:14:39 <Belugas> first contact i had with OpenTTD was with 0.3.4 16:14:49 <Sacro> Belugas: yes, i might have used 0.3.4 16:14:52 <Belugas> a few weeks after, 0.3.6 was out 16:15:29 *** lolEee [~john@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 16:15:40 <insulfrog> Sacro: its here where it says it: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=36107 (first post) 16:16:14 *** lolEee is now known as loldragon 16:20:27 <insulfrog> hmm... 16:29:22 *** Volley [~worf@84.119.65.133] has quit [] 16:40:19 <insulfrog> to get PBS signals, no debut that I manually need to add 2 lines in the openttd.cfg file 16:43:55 <peter1138> no you don't 16:44:01 <peter1138> and doubt is not spelled debut 16:45:36 <insulfrog> o...k... 16:48:31 <insulfrog> then how do you get PBS signals to work then?, I've applied the patch, built OTTD, now what? 16:52:15 *** HerzogDeXtE1 [~Flex@89.246.218.244] has joined #openttd 16:58:42 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.212.246] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:59:22 *** loldragon [~john@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:02:22 *** Boyinblue0 [~admin@5ac85a91.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 17:07:39 <insulfrog> I think I have REALLY missed something here... 17:08:30 <Progman> enable them in the settings 17:08:39 <Progman> there are new patch options 17:08:52 <Progman> first one is "show reserved tracks" which should be on 17:09:14 <Progman> if you dont have such an option you haven't build it properbly 17:12:04 *** mabako [~mabako@V1237.v.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 17:12:40 <mabako> I wonder, could anyone explain me why my self-compiled linux server is unable to load any savegames, but the windows client (with vs2005 or buildottd) can load them fine? 17:13:06 <insulfrog> wait a minute..., I think I forgotten something 17:13:59 <Belugas> mabako : it's very hard to answer. We do not even kow what you've changed in your sources 17:14:14 <Sacro> lack of zlib 17:14:15 <Belugas> nor the error message ou had 17:14:20 * Sacro wins 17:15:53 <mabako> well, i want to use something like the shared tracks patch for a more recent version (r12935), and have changed the feerder_share line in cargopacket.cpp to the following: 17:15:54 <mabako> SLE_CONDVAR(CargoPacket, feeder_share[0], SLE_INT64, 0, 95), 17:15:54 <mabako> SLE_CONDARR(CargoPacket, feeder_share, SLE_INT64, 8, 96, SL_MAX_VERSION), 17:16:29 <mabako> and i just get (when starting the server with -g) 17:16:30 <mabako> Game Load Failed 17:16:30 <mabako> File not readable 17:16:30 <mabako> dbg: [net] Loading requested map failed, aborting 17:17:09 <mabako> I've changed the savegame-version to 96 also, and I've no idea what might be the problem now 17:18:45 *** Chicago_Rail_Authority [~somewhere@c-68-40-40-232.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 17:18:45 <insulfrog> ok, I 'think' I have got it, just need to test (don't celebrate too soon :p ) 17:20:07 <insulfrog> if all goes well, I might play something else, like SimSig :D 17:20:14 <Sacro> <3 SimSig 17:21:10 <insulfrog> anyway, with this new PBS goes well, we can easily replicate several areas of SimSig :) 17:21:31 <insulfrog> (since they don;t use pre-signals :p ) 17:21:37 <Sacro> insulfrog: yes, i got bored and replicated Kings Cross 17:21:38 <insulfrog> *don't 17:22:16 <Sacro> though i get upset at the lack of ablilty to chose between a crossover and a single/double slip 17:22:23 * insulfrog thinks his bad fast typing is getting to the best of him, lol 17:25:09 <insulfrog> i got to go, bye :) 17:25:11 *** insulfrog [~trainslov@AC8F5A2D.ipt.aol.com] has left #openttd [] 17:25:14 *** ropiku [~chatzilla@89.39.35.66] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.82 [Firefox 3.0b5/2008032620]] 17:26:38 <Belugas> mabako, exact same code on both machine? one works not the other? then, it might be related to what Sacro told you 17:26:49 *** Roujin [~Roujin@mnch-4d04c3fa.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:26:57 <Phantasm> Hiya Belugas. 17:26:57 <Belugas> best way to know : revert the linux version, try clean build 17:27:01 *** lolEee [~john@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 17:27:02 <Belugas> hey Phantasm 17:28:04 <mabako> I reverted it and applied the patch afterwards really 17:28:15 <Belugas> no no no... 17:28:22 <Belugas> i mean, revert it totally, 17:28:26 <Belugas> built clean 17:28:28 <Belugas> and test ckean 17:28:36 <Belugas> clean 17:29:04 <mabako> erm... I checked out with svn, then copied the file into another dir and applied the patch there 17:29:24 <mabako> and btw... 17:29:25 <mabako> ii zlib1g 1.2.3-13 compression library - runtime 17:29:25 <mabako> ii zlib1g-dev 1.2.3-13 compression library - development 17:29:34 *** Jezral [~projectjj@users113.kollegienet.dk] has joined #openttd 17:29:37 <Belugas> have you ever tried a clean build before? 17:29:52 <mabako> how do i build it 'clean'? 17:30:12 <Belugas> import from svn, do not apply any patch, compile and run 17:30:31 <mabako> actually not 17:30:37 <Belugas> YOu may have to translate to linux wording, as i only compile using msvc 17:30:41 <mabako> not on linux at all 17:30:49 <Belugas> you may try that first :) 17:31:07 <mabako> I'll have a look 17:31:33 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host217-42-221-117.range217-42.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 17:32:08 *** Dominik [~Dominik@dslb-092-072-008-200.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 17:35:24 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@users113.kollegienet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:35:55 *** Jezral is now known as TinoDidriksen 17:42:04 <mabako> Belugas: it works with a clean build, i can save & load games afterwards fine 17:42:50 <Belugas> thus, there is something that is broken on the patch 17:43:22 <Belugas> and it means that Sacro has lost! 17:48:01 <mabako> http://mabako.net/sharedtracks.diff 17:50:02 <dih> # an the all go hand in hand... 17:59:44 <Belugas> + SLE_CONDVAR(Vehicle, shared_length, SLE_UINT32, 82, SL_MAX_VERSION), <---- 82 might be a little too low... 18:00:45 *** insulfrog [~trainslov@AC8F5A2D.ipt.aol.com] has joined #openttd 18:00:54 <insulfrog> I'm back :) 18:01:20 *** raimar3 [~hawk@p5489DB25.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:03:07 <Belugas> what the heel is that stuff been done on depot_gui.cpp??? 18:03:26 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm99.epsilon123.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:03:41 * Belugas resumes some real work... 18:06:37 *** cjk [~cjk@sovereign.computergmbh.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:07:52 *** Boyinblue0 [~admin@5ac85a91.bb.sky.com] has quit [] 18:08:39 *** raimar2 [~hawk@p5489E1D7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:08:53 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@62.243.161.107] has joined #openttd 18:08:56 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 18:12:38 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1E4C9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:15:38 *** raimar2 [~hawk@p5489FB60.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:20:09 <mabako> Belugas: that's there so you can sell your vehicle in other player's depots 18:22:14 *** Fiddler [~Fiddler@213.219.152.19.adsl.dyn.edpnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:22:39 *** raimar3 [~hawk@p5489DB25.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:22:50 <Belugas> 82 is not the starting version number where the shared_lenght variable is declared? 18:22:55 <Belugas> if so, it is wrong 18:23:24 <mabako> i see 18:24:13 <mabako> I should have a look, but i'm not quite certain whetever that is really the reason why i can't load the games I've saved with the same server-executeable (savegame-version being 96) before 18:24:42 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:25:13 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 18:25:31 <Belugas> i dion;t know, mabako. It's just someting taht seems wrong for me 18:25:49 <Belugas> i cannot try nor compile (nor want to) the patch, just looking at it 18:26:36 <mabako> I'll give it a try 18:26:51 <mabako> it was sure wrong 18:27:37 *** lolEee [~john@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:28:19 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r12957 /trunk/ (config.lib src/network/network_client.cpp src/saveload.cpp): -Codechange: do not misuse snprintf when you just want to copy a string, also use DEBUG instead of fprintf in one case. 18:29:12 *** mikl [~mikl@0304ds2-ba.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 18:31:01 *** lolEee [~john@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 18:32:02 *** Administrator [~chatzilla@70.100.210.62.te-dns.org] has joined #openttd 18:33:09 *** Roujin [~Roujin@mnch-4d04c3fa.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 18:34:25 <mabako> the server still can't read the saved files, however if i save the file at my windows pc locally, i can load it fine 18:35:20 <mabako> oh, might actually work now 18:37:59 * insulfrog is on #openttdcoop server 18:38:04 *** Dotted [Dotted@ip-22-191.bnaa.dk] has joined #openttd 18:39:27 <Dotted> is there anyway to upgrade all your trains to a different engine in one go? 18:39:56 <mabako> click on the train icon (vehicle list) 18:39:59 <mrfrenzy> yes, look at the bottom of the window that shows all your trains 18:40:11 <mabako> in the bottom, there's this dropdown with 'replace vehicles' 18:41:12 <Dotted> ah lol, thx 18:42:37 <ln> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article3876396.ece 18:49:17 *** Administrator_ [~chatzilla@70.100.210.62.te-dns.org] has joined #openttd 18:52:56 *** Zahl [~Zahl@p549F1D12.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: (~_~]"] 18:53:48 *** Administrator__ [~chatzilla@70.100.210.62.te-dns.org] has joined #openttd 18:54:49 *** Administrator [~chatzilla@70.100.210.62.te-dns.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:55:00 *** Administrator__ is now known as Administrator 18:58:33 *** Dominik [~Dominik@dslb-092-072-008-200.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:00:06 *** Administrator_ [~chatzilla@70.100.210.62.te-dns.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:02:21 *** Phoenix_the_II [rdeboom@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 19:02:23 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r12958 /trunk/src/newgrf.cpp: -Codechange: Allocate sprites reserved by GRM in advance of 'Action 1' sprites, giving much less chance of GRM reservation failure if lots of NewGRF sets are loaded. 19:15:08 *** mynetdude is now known as mynetdude|Away 19:24:38 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host193-232-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 19:24:48 <Wolf01> hello 19:25:33 <SmatZ> hello Wolf01 19:25:54 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78.107.160.50] has joined #openttd 19:30:49 *** insulfrog [~trainslov@AC8F5A2D.ipt.aol.com] has left #openttd [] 19:33:29 *** mynetdude|Away is now known as mynetdude 19:36:29 *** Chicago_Rail_Authority [~somewhere@c-68-40-40-232.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:37:05 *** lolEee [~john@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:38:03 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.218.244] has joined #openttd 19:44:15 *** Pinchiukas [~lox@212.122.90.186] has joined #openttd 19:44:17 *** Dominik [~Dominik@dslb-092-072-008-200.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 19:45:03 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@78-21-225-220.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 19:45:17 *** HerzogDeXtE1 [~Flex@89.246.218.244] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:45:17 <Pinchiukas> damn I can't find the thread with the original ttd graphics, anyone can help? 19:46:07 <SmatZ> Pinchiukas: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=37347 ? 19:46:42 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@p5499C1C8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: dR3x4cK] 19:46:53 <peter1138> :D 19:46:53 <Pinchiukas> SmatZ: I was talking about the original ttd graphics 19:47:02 <Pinchiukas> were new open source graphics made already? 19:47:08 <peter1138> for original data files, try a local shop 19:47:12 <peter1138> or ebay 19:47:19 <Pinchiukas> someone gave me a link to a post on the forum 19:47:24 <Sacro> Prof_Frink knows by heart 19:47:24 * Tefad coughs 19:47:30 <Pinchiukas> I can no longer find it though 19:47:33 <peter1138> or look for a place to buy on google 19:49:47 <orudge> Pinchiukas: that link was removed 19:49:50 <orudge> well 19:49:54 <orudge> there was a link removed yesterday 19:49:57 <orudge> with the graphics uploaded 19:50:08 <Pinchiukas> I just found a link and downloaded it 19:50:20 <Belugas> THIEF! 19:50:43 *** Boyinblue0 [~admin@5ac85a91.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 19:50:50 <Pinchiukas> hey, I haven't used it yet 19:50:56 <Pinchiukas> does that make me a thief already? 19:50:59 <Sacro> yes 19:51:06 <Pinchiukas> aw, man! 19:51:07 * Sacro drops a Belugas on Pinchiukas 19:51:10 <Pinchiukas> lol 19:51:16 <Pinchiukas> I guess I should go turn myself in 19:51:21 <Sacro> yes you should 19:52:00 <Pinchiukas> by the way, today I noticed that there are a lot of transport simulation games out there, can somebody tell me which are more popular/better? :) 19:52:14 <Belugas> better? OPENTTD!!! 19:52:40 <Tefad> Pinchiukas: troll. 19:52:48 <Tefad> get back under your bridge ; ) 19:52:59 <peter1138> i've only played locomotion and ttd 19:53:05 <peter1138> so that's hardly a good sample 19:53:06 <Pinchiukas> Tefad: I don't know... people say I shouldn't, why would I listen to you? 19:53:21 <Pinchiukas> peter1138: what were your impressions? 19:53:40 <Pinchiukas> I looked at some 3d game videos, looks repulsive 19:53:58 <mabako> imo you don't really need a 3d interface 19:54:00 <peter1138> of locomotion? not very good 19:54:08 <peter1138> sure, nice bridges 19:54:10 <peter1138> but that's about it 19:54:28 <Pinchiukas> mabako: I think it's a matter of taste 19:54:54 <Pinchiukas> and sometimes it would be really nice if I could turn the view in openttd 90 degrees to see better 19:55:09 <Belugas> not at all, 3d is a vision, an approach... not to mention code been twisted in and out 19:55:26 <mabako> turning it 90° doesn't make it 3d 19:55:36 <Pinchiukas> I know, that's why I said it 19:56:00 <Pinchiukas> that's what makes it easy to implement 19:56:05 <Pinchiukas> ...somewhat :) 19:56:06 * Sacro can turn OpenTTD 90 degrees 19:56:17 <Belugas> hate 3d, makes the game one step closer to reality 19:56:18 <Belugas> sucks 19:56:21 <Belugas> prrrrrrrt 19:56:22 <Pinchiukas> rolling your display doesn't count Sacro 19:56:26 *** Administrator__ [~chatzilla@70.100.210.62.te-dns.org] has joined #openttd 19:56:27 <Sacro> Prof_Frink: damn 19:56:43 <Pinchiukas> Belugas: try tetris or pong, it's as far from reality as it gets 19:56:53 <Belugas> those i like 19:57:03 <Belugas> chess too... 19:57:04 <trd> Play ASCII pong on IRC and lose. 19:57:09 <Pinchiukas> lol 19:57:15 * Belugas has a chess game on his cellphone 19:57:35 <Pinchiukas> so openttd hasn't got a complete graphics set yet? 19:58:13 <Belugas> has it? 19:59:51 <Pinchiukas> so? 20:00:39 <peter1138> nope 20:01:51 *** Administrator [~chatzilla@70.100.210.62.te-dns.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:02:04 *** Administrator__ is now known as Administrator 20:03:20 *** Administrator__ [~chatzilla@70.100.210.62.te-dns.org] has joined #openttd 20:04:06 <Pinchiukas> aww 20:10:09 *** Administrator [~chatzilla@70.100.210.62.te-dns.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:11:00 <Wolf01> wow, traffic lights works like a charm with timetables, vehicles always have different late times :O 20:11:31 <Wolf01> hey a pikachu! 20:11:35 <Wolf01> ehm... not 20:12:52 *** Administrator__ [~chatzilla@70.100.210.62.te-dns.org] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:14:32 <JelloX> GOTTA CATCH EM ALL 20:14:34 <Roujin> be sure to drop me a note if you have any suggestion or bug report regarding the traffic lights :) 20:15:05 <Roujin> good night 20:15:07 <Sionide> ohh, are traffic lights in the nightly builds? 20:15:11 <Wolf01> no 20:15:18 <Wolf01> I just compiled the patch 20:15:24 <Wolf01> gn Roujin 20:15:31 <Sionide> likely to be some time soon? sounds like a "big thing" 20:15:52 <peter1138> unlikely 20:16:04 <Sionide> i lurk here most of time, till a "big thing" hits the nightlies then i get into it and start playing a huge map to death 20:16:10 <JelloX> traffic lights? sweet 20:19:14 *** Roujin [~Roujin@mnch-4d04c3fa.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Po-ta-to, boil em, mash em, stick em in a stew.] 20:19:50 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@p54B814AC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 20:21:48 <orudge> Nobody here wanting to come to the TT meet? Feel free to vote: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=36571 20:21:56 <orudge> but only vote if you're going to actually come :P 20:23:08 <Belugas> Anyone would like to help organising a meeting in Montreal at the same date? 20:23:08 <Wolf01> London? too far away 20:23:26 <Wolf01> Anyone on my garden? 20:23:28 <Rubidium> hmm 20:23:31 <Rubidium> what would be cheaper? 20:23:31 <Bjarni> England itself is too far away 20:23:36 <Bjarni> so is Montreal 20:23:40 <blathijs> Hmm, if it wasn't for the North Sea, I might consider :-) 20:23:41 <Rubidium> a ticket to Montreal or England? 20:23:52 <blathijs> Rubidium: Dunno, might be so much different 20:23:52 <Rubidium> blathijs: E'de? 20:23:55 <Bjarni> Wolf01's garden sounds nice though 20:24:10 <blathijs> Rubidium: Sounds fun :-) 20:24:23 <peter1138> hmm, £296 return to montreal 20:24:35 <peter1138> ooh 20:24:37 <peter1138> £215! 20:24:40 <peter1138> er... tomorrow 20:24:58 <Bjarni> I can go to Heathrow for like £50 20:25:07 <Bjarni> but I will not use planes that cheap 20:25:18 <Belugas> i can go to montreal for... nothing! 20:25:21 * blathijs can go to sleep for free, so I think I'll just do that 20:25:27 <blathijs> Good night everyone :-) 20:25:38 <Belugas> :) 20:25:43 <Bjarni> also getting to London might not be the expensive part of a London trip 20:26:23 <Sionide> hmm 20:26:28 <peter1138> don't worry, orudge will provide women 20:26:34 <orudge> Getting to London from Europe can generally be done quite cheaply 20:26:36 <Tefad> womens! 20:26:39 <orudge> getting around London, maybe not so cheap :P 20:26:45 <orudge> Yes, both real and inflatable 20:26:45 <SmatZ> did I hear "women"? 20:26:46 <orudge> book in advance. 20:26:51 <peter1138> or was it sacro dressed up? 20:27:15 <Sionide> who's played ottd on a train before? 20:27:20 <orudge> /me 20:27:22 <orudge> /me 20:27:23 <orudge> bah 20:27:23 <Sionide> /me 20:27:24 <orudge> I have. 20:27:24 <Sionide> :D 20:27:29 <orudge> well 20:27:36 <orudge> I've not played OpenTTD "properly" on a train 20:27:40 <Sionide> i designed the station we stopped at for ages.. by looking around and making it 20:27:46 <orudge> I've played normal TTD (or TTDPatch) on a train, and a plane, and a boat 20:28:08 <DaleStan> Just missing a bus. 20:28:14 <orudge> Buses are too cramped 20:28:14 <Bjarni> what will actually happen at such a meeting? 20:28:18 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 20:28:20 <orudge> Bjarni: well, last year 20:28:24 <orudge> we talked 20:28:24 <orudge> ate 20:28:25 <orudge> drank 20:28:30 <orudge> some people played some TTD 20:28:36 <orudge> this year, Andel is organising some games 20:28:42 <orudge> but otherwise, I imagine it'll be much the same 20:28:45 <orudge> "socialising" 20:28:54 <Bjarni> will there be women? 20:28:57 <Tefad> IRC in person. 20:29:01 <orudge> there were women last year, Bjarni 20:29:06 <orudge> although, they're both married now 20:29:07 <orudge> so bad luck 20:29:13 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1E4C9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:29:23 <Bjarni> Helen showed up? 20:29:27 <Sionide> i could persuade my gf to tag along.. "yes do you wanna come on a day trip to london with me?" 20:29:31 <Rubidium> maybe ask Karen! 20:29:35 <Sionide> "oh these guys? i don't know them!" 20:29:55 <orudge> Bjarni: Helen and Andel's then-girlfriend Natasha 20:30:10 <Bjarni> I think I will pass on this trip 20:30:16 <orudge> who that very night became pregnant with their child, much to GoneWacko's amusement (seeing as he was in the house at the time) 20:30:22 <orudge> Rubidium: maybe ;) 20:30:32 <orudge> Sionide: heh 20:30:43 <Sionide> i could meet GoneWacko.. that'd be weird. 20:30:46 <orudge> well, last year, things seemed fine enough, we weren't too scary 20:30:57 <Sionide> and orudge as well actually.. odd. 20:31:03 <orudge> :P 20:31:11 <Sionide> to me you are just words on a screen, damnit.. don't shatter my illusions 20:31:17 <Rubidium> last (O)TTD I was at was kinda small 20:31:18 *** mynetdude is now known as mynetdude|Away 20:31:18 <Sionide> well i will consider it when i know what date it's gonna be 20:31:37 <Rubidium> +meet 20:31:56 <Bjarni> I just realised something.... how do you tell the difference between oven and Owen when saying out the words loud? 20:31:56 <orudge> Sionide: feel free to vote on your available days! 20:31:59 <orudge> if you're actually going to come 20:32:02 <orudge> Bjarni: er, we speak English 20:32:05 <orudge> and not foreignese :P 20:32:07 <orudge> w = double-you 20:32:08 <orudge> v = vee 20:32:13 *** mynetdude|Away is now known as mynetdude 20:32:33 <Tefad> DOUBLE-V 20:32:37 <Tefad> en francais 20:32:40 *** mynetdude is now known as mynetdude|Away 20:32:45 <Sionide> w = "wuh" sound 20:32:55 <Tefad> except in german 20:32:59 *** Sionide is now known as oven 20:33:00 <oven> lol 20:33:12 <Tefad> volkswagon is funny ; ) 20:33:21 * Rubidium turns the oven to 300 K 20:33:27 <Sacro> brr cold 20:33:28 <Tefad> aww, not over 9000 20:33:32 <oven> K! 20:33:35 *** oven is now known as Sionide 20:33:39 * Sionide jumps out 20:33:40 <Belugas> quiche time! 20:33:47 <Bjarni> <Tefad> except in german <-- it was so funny when we had a German professor lecturing in maths and he had to talk about two variables called v and w (he lectured in Danish) 20:33:48 <Belugas> K? 20:33:48 <Tefad> isn't 300K like... room temperature 20:33:51 <Rubidium> not from oven (kinda chilly) 20:34:05 <Bjarni> yes he did call w for v and stopped when he reached v right after that 20:34:15 <Rubidium> 26.85 degrees Celsius 20:34:26 <Rubidium> or 80-ish degrees Fahrenheit 20:34:26 <Bjarni> more than 20°C is kinda hot 20:34:31 <Sionide> so it was 396K here in the UK today! 20:34:33 <Tefad> yeah, room tepmperature 20:34:39 <Tefad> wow wtf 20:34:40 <Sionide> erm 20:34:43 <Sionide> 296* also 20:34:58 <Bjarni> room temperature should be around 18°C 20:35:11 <Rubidium> Bjarni: depends heavily on the country 20:35:12 <Bjarni> hotter rooms makes you less efficient and wastes energy 20:35:13 <Tefad> depends on how much money you have. 20:35:21 <Tefad> wastes energy?! 20:35:29 <Rubidium> room temperature in Japan is 27-ish 20:35:41 <Tefad> if i didn't pump the heat outside it'd be like.. crazy hot in here 20:35:45 <Rubidium> 25 degrees in trains (yes, they have thermometers in the trains) 20:36:17 <Bjarni> Rubidium: with what outdoor temperatures? 20:36:20 <peter1138> oh bjarni is a *one* 20:36:23 <peter1138> oven / owen indeed 20:36:29 <Tefad> 18C is brrrrrr 20:36:50 <Tefad> 27 is tolerable 20:36:54 <Bjarni> I didn't knew that brrrrrr means fine :/ 20:37:09 <Bjarni> well you learn something new every day 20:37:16 *** Pinchiukas [~lox@212.122.90.186] has quit [Quit: pwnt] 20:37:16 <Tefad> 20C is what i generally use 20:37:21 <Tefad> unless i'm poor 20:37:21 <Belugas> yeah, we, nordic people, have thick skins who can bare colder temps 20:37:29 <Tefad> then it drops to 18C or so 20:37:37 <Tefad> i also have a wife from southern US 20:37:48 <peter1138> 20 is uncomfortable 20:37:54 <Bjarni> <Tefad> 27 is tolerable <-- I would get almost naked and lie on the bed (with no blanket or anything) and wait for the temperature to stop 20:37:55 <Tefad> who's acceptable temperature range is a small band within my own. 20:37:58 <ln> Bjarni! 20:38:02 <peter1138> 27... i'd die 20:38:05 <Bjarni> and hope that it drops before I melt 20:38:06 <Rubidium> Bjarni: between -10 and 25 degrees 20:38:16 *** ceiv [~asd@x1-6-00-18-39-d3-e9-f6.k899.webspeed.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:38:26 <Rubidium> Celsius ofcourse 20:38:41 <Tefad> it's at least 25C in here right now 20:39:06 <Belugas> -25(no winds) +37(strong winds) is bareble 20:39:14 <Bjarni> we used to have 22°C in the trains... now they added aircondition so you have to wear more cloth inside the trains than outside during mid summer 20:39:23 <Tefad> don't care to waste money on moving the heat out. 20:39:26 <Bjarni> like you should wear a jacket in the train but only in the train 20:39:40 <orudge> then you get outside the train and realise how bloody hot it is 20:39:41 <Bjarni> now that's silly 20:39:45 <orudge> I had that when I was at some government office in Brazil 20:39:49 <orudge> was quite normal outside 20:39:54 <orudge> then went inside with the air conditioning 20:39:57 <orudge> came out an hour later and was sweltering 20:40:02 <peter1138> i have that in my car... 20:40:09 <Tefad> i have that in my house. 20:40:11 <Tefad> ; ) 20:40:21 <orudge> my car is a bit less advanced than peter1138 20:40:23 <orudge> 's 20:40:24 <orudge> well, it was 20:40:30 <orudge> I don't know what car I will have in June :o 20:40:33 <Tefad> 27C with very low humidity is quite tolerable 20:40:47 <Bjarni> my cooling device is based on holes in the walls that can be opened and closed as needed 20:40:51 <Bjarni> those are called windows 20:40:55 <Tefad> i grew up with 27C cooling in summer 20:40:58 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5538B.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 20:41:04 <Tefad> though it wasn't so low humidity : ( 20:41:16 <Tefad> Bjarni: those would be heating devices here. 20:41:23 <Tefad> and we try to keep them barred up. 20:41:34 <Wolf01> 'night 20:41:38 <ln> Tefad: 27 coulombs? 20:41:44 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host193-232-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 20:41:46 <Bjarni> they work specially well when you open one in each end of the room 20:41:52 <Tefad> no, i don't have time to write the deg symbol 20:42:00 <Tefad> nor patience to figure out the deg-C symbol 20:42:14 <Tefad> nor am i going to convert everything to kelvin to avoid needing deg all together. 20:42:15 <Bjarni> Tefad: alt+q 20:42:19 <peter1138> °C is usually enough 20:42:25 <Tefad> that closes the window. 20:42:29 <Tefad> no wait 20:42:33 <Tefad> it puts me at window 11 20:42:34 <Bjarni> then get a mac :P 20:42:35 <orudge> 20â 20:42:39 <Tefad> fuck macs 20:42:49 <orudge> I wouldn't do that, Tefad 20:42:50 <peter1138> yes, there's â too 20:42:59 <orudge> gets rather messy 20:43:00 <Tefad> the context is temperature 20:43:04 <ln> orudge: i'm pretty sure that's one of the backwards-compatibility unicode characters that are not supposed to be used. 20:43:14 <Tefad> 27C is easily seen as a temperature in this context 20:43:15 <Bjarni> Tefad: fucking a disk drive or optical drive might be bad for your member 20:43:27 <peter1138> Bjarni... grow up? 20:43:34 <Sacro> peter1138: seconded 20:43:35 <Tefad> if we were talking about electronics AND cooling, then sure i could see the need for specifying degrees. 20:43:52 <Bjarni> at school there were jokes about a certain guy who should be in love with his computer 20:44:03 <orudge> ln: well, I'd usually use U+00B0 + 'C' rather than U+2103 20:44:03 <Tefad> yeah, the deg-c symbol is backward compatibility from asia i think 20:44:05 <Bjarni> and there were a story about him fucking his disk drive 20:44:15 <Tefad> 20:44:16 <Bjarni> I don't think he did so though 20:44:35 <peter1138> nobody cares 20:45:21 <Sacro> *plonk* 20:47:20 <Maedhros> hmm. anyone know of a grf to allow the default ships to carry fuel oil (from pbi) ? 20:47:44 * Maedhros wishes he'd noticed that they didn't *before* building that harbour... 20:47:59 <Tefad> lol. 20:50:51 <Rubidium> Maedhros: "Maedhros' PBI aware fuel oil carrying ship set"? 20:51:27 <Maedhros> hehe 20:51:41 <Maedhros> yeah, i guess i'll have to start delving into the murky world of cargos 20:53:01 <Belugas> diving... murky... 20:53:06 <Belugas> loves the sound of that... 20:53:12 * Belugas splouches 20:54:30 <peter1138> feh, just set a refit mask of (uint32)-1 ;) 20:54:53 <glx> that's MAX_UINT32 20:55:06 <peter1138> feh, just set a refit mask of MAX_UINT32 ;) 21:07:57 *** Holzberger [~Holzberge@s559031d6.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 21:09:11 <Holzberger> Heya All, I have a question for the developpers of OTTD, or those who can also answer my question... Are the developpers currently working on toll booths? Or are there plans to start soon? 21:09:16 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: glx * r12959 /trunk/src/industry_gui.cpp: -Fix: don't assume no production when the first produced cargo is invalid in industries directory 21:09:44 <glx> Holzberger: no and no 21:10:40 <Holzberger> Do you recall if someone did ever do something with toll booth (and I dont refer to someone who made a louzy drawing?) 21:11:52 *** Sionide [sionide@cornflakes.imen.org.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:12:00 *** Sionide [sionide@cornflakes.imen.org.uk] has joined #openttd 21:17:45 <mabako> my implentation of shared tracks uses waypoints as kind of tollports atm 21:18:00 <mabako> thought that's bad because you can't have multiple tiles - one waypoint 21:19:59 <mabako> for getting cash, it's fine however 21:23:15 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1E4C9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:26:26 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl51B789EC.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:26:47 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:32:53 *** Boyinblue0 [~admin@5ac85a91.bb.sky.com] has quit [] 21:34:05 <Holzberger> hmmm mabako... I see your tread now... Maybe it is nice to see it develop... Thx for the answers btw :) 21:34:08 *** Holzberger [~Holzberge@s559031d6.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has left #openttd [] 21:34:41 <mabako> I've not even created a thread on the forums 21:36:31 <mabako> and tbh, I wouldn't know how how i could 'suggest' the pathfinder to find a waypoint which is multiple tiles large 21:37:02 <mabako> or.. pretends to be, and where every waypoint has a pointer to the next/prev. waypoint in order 21:40:13 *** MCB [~MCB@host86-129-145-231.range86-129.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 21:42:37 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:47:54 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:50:47 *** mabako [~mabako@V1237.v.pppool.de] has quit [Quit: mabako] 21:54:17 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r12960 /trunk/src/ (4 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: handle return values of (some) file system related functions. 21:59:36 *** Osai is now known as Osai^zZz 22:03:14 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: smatz * r12961 /trunk/src/ (oldloader.cpp saveload.cpp saveload.h): -Codechange: store the type of savegame we are loading in a global variable 22:08:18 *** elmex [~elmex@e180075201.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:19:50 *** Slowpoke [~Lobster@dslb-088-073-226-005.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 22:22:34 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: smatz * r12962 /trunk/src/oldloader.cpp: -Fix (r12961): forgot one break 22:23:33 *** Maedhros [~jc@host86-137-227-227.range86-137.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:26:44 <Ammler> [22:47] <Maedhros> hmm. anyone know of a grf to allow the default ships to carry fuel oil (from pbi) ? <-- doesn't newships carry everything? 22:27:03 <Ammler> oh, just left 22:28:24 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:28:37 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 22:35:45 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r12963 /trunk/src/ (fileio.cpp network/network_client.cpp): -Fix (r12960): loading some NewGRFs could cause an infinite loop. 22:37:33 <Sacro> @seen Bjarni 22:37:33 <DorpsGek> Sacro: Bjarni was last seen in #openttd 1 hour, 53 minutes, and 17 seconds ago: <Bjarni> I don't think he did so though 22:37:35 <Sacro> hmmm 22:37:47 <SmatZ> do you miss him? 22:37:53 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: glx * r12964 /trunk/src/industry_gui.cpp: -Codechange: rewrite callback 37 related code so it will be easier to add supported windows 22:39:03 *** Volley [~worf@84.119.65.133] has joined #openttd 22:42:18 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: glx * r12965 /trunk/src/ (industry_gui.cpp lang/english.txt): -Codechange: add support for callback 37 in industries directory window 22:43:19 *** GoneWacko [GoneWacko@86-60-155-109-dyn-dsl.ssp.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:43:43 <Sacro> SmatZ: yes 22:47:16 *** Frostregen_ [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-185-178.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 22:48:01 <peter1138> hm 22:48:06 <peter1138> i don't miss bjarni 22:48:08 <peter1138> i miss yapp 22:49:33 <Sacro> I MISS YAPP TOO 22:49:35 <Sacro> but ooh yay 22:49:37 <Sacro> Frostregen_! 22:52:59 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-149-012.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:53:25 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 22:54:05 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: glx * r12966 /trunk/src/lang/ (38 files in 2 dirs): -Update: apply english.txt changes from r12965 to other languages 22:58:48 <Bjarni> <peter1138> i don't miss bjarni <-- there is no reason to miss me when I'm around ;) 22:59:56 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@p54B82BF8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 23:00:33 *** nicfer [~chatzilla@168.226.106.116] has joined #openttd 23:00:40 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@62.243.161.107] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:02:39 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B814AC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:02:44 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@p54B814AC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:04:57 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: glx * r12967 /trunk/src/lang/english.txt: -Fix (r12966): my lang update script failed 23:05:32 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B82BF8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 23:05:35 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 23:12:06 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 23:22:04 *** MCB [~MCB@host86-129-145-231.range86-129.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 23:48:04 *** Volley [~worf@84.119.65.133] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]