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I can do most things ok, but I sometimes have problems with trains wanting to go the wrong way on my double-track lines... 01:06:50 <break19> I have 5 or 6 cities linked with a long double-track, and each city then branches off.. trains run fine until they hit a depot, and constantly want to go out the wrong way.. 01:07:39 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.185.200] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:09:15 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.190.27] has joined #openttd 01:15:34 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.184.143] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:17:31 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.185.42] has joined #openttd 01:23:19 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.190.27] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:25:20 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.180.135] has joined #openttd 01:27:53 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.185.42] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:33:39 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.174.249] has joined #openttd 01:37:31 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-178-21.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:40:06 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.180.135] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:40:49 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.160.105] has joined #openttd 01:47:41 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.174.249] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:49:26 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.182.31] has joined #openttd 01:55:36 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.160.105] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:57:17 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.177.185] has joined #openttd 02:01:06 *** imachine [5a86217f74@mc2-p010.mc2.chalmers.se] has joined #openttd 02:01:08 <imachine> Hi 02:01:14 <imachine> I have some issues with 0.60 02:01:17 <imachine> I have no music. 02:01:46 <imachine> running on Linux, timidity++ installed, gm files both in ~/.openttd/gm and in /usr/share/openttd/gm/ and in /usr/share/openttd/data/gm 02:01:52 <imachine> no go. 02:02:03 <imachine> If I play them with timidity manually, they work great. 02:02:23 <imachine> there is no issue with sound blocking because I can play timidity files and run openttd and it works good. 02:02:33 <imachine> any suggestions? it worked on older versions of openttd. 02:02:37 <imachine> I'm running ArchLinux. 02:02:53 <imachine> http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/GNU/Linux#Playing_the_soundtrack 02:03:07 <imachine> I've read here that the way I used to play music is outdated now. 02:03:13 <imachine> could someone update the info? 02:03:29 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.182.31] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:04:03 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 02:05:04 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.179.98] has joined #openttd 02:07:18 <Sacro> imachine: there isn't an 0.60 02:07:35 <Sacro> imachine: ArchLinux you say? 02:08:21 <Sacro> hm, well seeing as i wrote the ArchLinux openttd PKGBUILDs i should maybe know what to do... 02:08:45 <Sacro> but where is he... 02:08:55 <imachine> Sacro, yes, I meant 0.6.0 02:08:59 <Sacro> heh :) 02:09:01 <Sacro> err... 02:09:10 <Sacro> i'm not sure if you need to run the timidity daemon 02:09:13 <imachine> and I installed from binary 02:09:22 <Sacro> pacman? 02:09:25 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-226-12-146.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 02:09:26 <imachine> I didn't have to run it as a daemon before (that is before 0.6.0) 02:09:27 <imachine> yepp 02:09:32 <Sacro> hmm 02:09:34 * Sacro fires up Arch 02:09:37 <imachine> community/openttd 0.6.0-3 02:09:40 <Sacro> yeah 02:09:42 <imachine> : 02:09:43 <Sacro> -3? 02:09:43 <imachine> :) 02:09:47 <imachine> aparently so 02:09:58 <Sacro> i don't recall making any changes 02:10:07 <imachine> I can quickly pull it from abs 02:10:17 <imachine> maybe they removed midi support? is that possibe? 02:10:19 <imachine> possible* 02:10:26 <Sacro> just checking ABS 02:10:29 <Sacro> well AUR 02:11:04 <Sacro> ah yes 02:11:08 <Sacro> -3 is for the icon path 02:11:09 <imachine> yes? 02:11:11 <imachine> ;> 02:11:20 <imachine> well I'm getting it.. 02:11:21 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.177.185] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:11:25 <Sacro> did you install freepats? 02:11:38 <Sacro> but then if you have it working from timidity, then it's found something 02:12:00 <glx> did you press "play" in music player? 02:12:02 <imachine> yeah, timidity itself works 02:12:07 <imachine> glx, d'oh yes ofcourse ;] 02:12:15 <imachine> it just keeps on spinning through the tracks like mad 02:12:17 <imachine> doesn't play 02:12:19 <Sacro> ahh 02:12:23 <Sacro> it doesn't find the files then i think 02:12:26 <imachine> yeah well 02:12:29 <imachine> they're there.. 02:12:36 <Sacro> did you put the files in /usr/share/openttd/gm/ ? 02:12:37 <imachine> at least they're where I said they are 02:12:41 <imachine> I have some symlink magic there 02:12:53 <imachine> (/usr/share/openttd/gm is a symlink to /usr/share/openttd/data/gm 02:13:01 <imachine> but that shouldn't be a problem huh ? 02:13:07 <Sacro> i don't think so 02:13:12 <Sacro> what about permissions? 02:13:13 <imachine> exactly 02:13:14 <glx> why put them in data? 02:13:15 <imachine> hang on 02:13:21 <imachine> glx, no reason really 02:13:25 <Sacro> well if you can play em in timidity as your user 02:13:28 <Sacro> then it should be ok 02:13:41 <imachine> Sacro, 644 02:13:43 <imachine> yeah 02:13:43 <Sacro> hmm, mine are 755 02:13:44 <imachine> ;] 02:13:50 <Sacro> but why is a midi executable 02:13:52 <Sacro> pff 02:13:54 <imachine> well I don't need to open them 02:13:55 <imachine> :P 02:13:58 <imachine> i mean run them 02:13:58 <imachine> yeah 02:13:59 <imachine> ;] 02:14:03 <imachine> timidity plays fine 02:14:17 <imachine> if i choose 'timidity /usr/share/openttd/gm/file.gm' it plays 02:14:25 <imachine> I have soundfonts etc. 02:14:26 <Sacro> right, not running the alsa daemon here 02:14:27 <imachine> so it's good. 02:14:40 <Sacro> actually. in your config 02:14:54 <Sacro> .openttd/openttd.cfg 02:15:01 <imachine> yes 02:15:06 <Sacro> what do you have for extmidi = 02:15:08 <imachine> timidity 02:15:15 <imachine> (I tried /usr/bin/timidity) 02:15:16 <Sacro> that seems right 02:15:23 <Sacro> well it should be in your path 02:15:30 <imachine> (and /usr/bin/timidity -Ai -Os) 02:15:32 <Sacro> glx: is there a debug mode? 02:15:45 <Gekz_> did you check for midi support at compile time 02:15:52 <glx> -d misc 02:15:54 <imachine> Gekz_, no I don't think so. 02:16:00 <Gekz_> check. 02:16:01 <Sacro> Gekz_: it's there 02:16:10 * Sacro wrote the PKGBUILD :P 02:16:11 <Gekz_> Sacro: you said yourself you dont remember modifying it 02:16:14 <Gekz_> doesnt mean you didnt. 02:16:16 <Gekz_> lol 02:16:20 <Gekz_> doesnt mean someone else didnt 02:16:26 <imachine> glx, -d misc shows nothing. 02:16:30 <Sacro> ./configure --install-dir=$startdir/pkg/ --prefix-dir=/usr --binary-dir=/bin --data-dir=/share/openttd --icon-dir=/share/pixmaps --personal-dir=.openttd || return 1 02:16:30 <glx> hmm -d driver9 may show interestng stuff 02:16:50 <Gekz_> Sacro: whats teh BUILDDEPS? 02:17:10 <Gekz_> because you didnt specify the midi switch 02:17:11 <Sacro> BUILDDEPS? 02:17:13 <imachine> dbg: [driver] Successfully probed music driver 'extmidi' 02:17:17 <imachine> dbg: [driver] extmidi: set volume not implemented 02:17:21 <Sacro> imachine: same here 02:17:22 <Gekz_> meaning if it doesnt find the build dependency then you're screewed. 02:17:23 <imachine> glx, that's about all 02:17:30 <Sacro> depends=(libpng sdl gcc-libs fontconfig) 02:17:36 <glx> so music should work 02:17:42 <Gekz_> timidity should be there if you want midi, no? 02:17:44 <Sacro> no 02:17:45 <Gekz_> at compile time 02:17:48 <imachine> no 02:17:49 <Sacro> not iirc 02:17:56 <Sacro> it works fine here 02:17:58 <imachine> (maybe in 0.6.0) 02:17:58 <glx> no it's an external player 02:18:02 <imachine> but not in prev versions 02:18:03 <Sacro> so we can assume the PKGBUILD and binary work fine 02:18:14 <Sacro> so it must be imachine's setup 02:18:18 <imachine> damnations 02:18:59 <imachine> skipping the symlinks is the same 02:19:01 <imachine> no dif 02:19:09 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.179.98] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:19:21 <Sacro> hmm, not sure 02:19:31 <Sacro> i don't recall having to do anything else 02:19:56 <imachine> I even tried moving the config 02:19:58 <imachine> no diff 02:20:29 <glx> are you sure it uses the right cfg? 02:20:46 <Sacro> glx: yes, it uses .openttd/openttd.cfg 02:20:51 <imachine> yes 02:20:53 <break19> anyone familiar with the OSX version? I don't seem to -have- a .cfg file where I can enable 32bit gfx? 02:20:55 <imachine> i have no other configs 02:21:06 <imachine> I'm on x86_64.. 02:21:10 <imachine> if it's any difference.. 02:21:14 <imachine> but it worked fine 02:21:14 <Sacro> oooh 02:21:18 <Sacro> i'm not sure 02:21:23 <imachine> well... timidity plays 02:21:26 <glx> break19: you started the game once? 02:21:27 <imachine> if i run it manually 02:21:33 <imachine> so it ought'n be a diffrence 02:21:40 <break19> glx: more than once. :) 02:21:41 <imachine> oepnttd just calls timidity doesn't it 02:21:49 <Sacro> sigh 02:21:54 <Sacro> where are all the community pkgbuilds 02:21:55 <imachine> yeah 02:21:57 <Sacro> cvs has gone 02:22:00 <imachine> hehe 02:22:01 <glx> break19: try to check the readme 02:22:01 <Sacro> and nobody has updated the link on au 02:22:03 <imachine> i's in abs 02:22:03 <Sacro> *aur 02:22:17 <imachine> just pull it with 'abs community' 02:22:20 <glx> I'm sure there is some info about where it should be 02:22:26 <imachine> then cd /var/abs/community/games/openttd 02:22:27 <imachine> :) 02:22:34 <Sacro> http://repos.archlinux.org/viewvc.cgi/community/games/openttd/PKGBUILD?revision=1.18&root=community&view=markup 02:22:38 <Sacro> that is the PKGBUILD 02:22:40 <imachine> aye 02:22:40 <imachine> ;P 02:22:43 <imachine> 'tis 02:22:44 <Sacro> glx: take a look 02:23:18 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.167.141] has joined #openttd 02:23:30 <glx> break19: ~/Documents/OpenTTD 02:23:51 <break19> glx: found it, thanks 02:24:04 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm244.epsilon120.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 02:24:09 <break19> i thought I'd looked there.. twice.. but I guess I hadnt. lol 02:25:45 <Sacro> imachine: not suere what else to suggest :( 02:26:09 <imachine> yeah 02:26:10 <imachine> it sucks 02:26:14 <imachine> i like midi 02:26:15 <imachine> ;( 02:26:54 <Sacro> me too 02:26:58 <glx> Sacro: it's .ORG not .COM 02:27:03 <Sacro> glx: ? 02:27:14 <Sacro> meaning 02:27:19 <glx> url="http://www.openttd.com" <-- there 02:27:22 <Sacro> pff 02:27:28 <Sacro> that's no biggie 02:27:41 <Sacro> as you'll find openttd.com works 02:28:01 <glx> I know .com works, but the official is .org 02:28:03 <Sacro> but tis 3:30 am 02:28:12 <Sacro> glx: i'll post it as a bug, get it updated... 02:28:48 <Sacro> goodnight chaps 02:29:04 <glx> night 02:29:45 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.190.96] has joined #openttd 02:31:15 <imachine> :/ 02:31:17 *** Yooshi [~mynetdude@208.74.131.93] has quit [Quit: Peace and Protection 4.22.2] 02:31:21 <imachine> so no solution heh? 02:31:22 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: Night All.] 02:31:24 <imachine> that blows 02:31:37 <imachine> what else can I check with debug ? 02:32:25 <imachine> the music is there 100% 02:32:29 <imachine> and timitidy works 100% 02:32:30 <imachine> :/ 02:33:02 <imachine> dbg: [driver] extmidi: set volume not implemented 02:33:06 <imachine> could this be causing troubles? 02:33:12 <glx> no that's ok :) 02:33:23 <imachine> could it be that the device is blocked? 02:33:26 <imachine> it's 04.33 am 02:33:32 <imachine> but I'd like to beat this 02:34:06 <glx> does it work with -snull ? 02:34:39 <imachine> no 02:34:51 <imachine> oh 02:34:53 <imachine> it does now 02:34:54 <imachine> :i 02:35:01 <imachine> so it's blocking device huh ? 02:35:17 <glx> looks like it as -snull disable sound 02:35:24 <imachine> yeas 02:35:31 <imachine> also, I've enabled timidity alsa daemon 02:35:44 <imachine> but that doesn't make a difference ;) 02:35:49 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.167.141] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:36:08 <glx> I can't help more as I'm not a linux user 02:36:10 <imachine> well that's just silly! because if I play timidity in the background, then run openttd - I have both midi and sounds working :) 02:36:29 <glx> linux and sound devices :) 02:36:33 <glx> alwasy fun 02:36:42 <imachine> ok np done and sorted 02:36:50 <imachine> export SDL_AUDIODRIVER="alsa" 02:36:53 <imachine> that's the solution 02:36:54 <imachine> ;) 02:36:59 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.167.125] has joined #openttd 02:37:04 <glx> I'm sure it's on the wiki 02:37:10 <glx> somewhere 02:37:16 <imachine> hmm. haven't found it. 02:39:02 <glx> hmm indeed it's not on wiki, but I'm sure I already saw this solution somewhere 02:40:35 <imachine> I just pasted it on the forums 02:40:42 <imachine> maybe someone else will find it useful 02:40:46 <imachine> gotta play then 02:40:48 <imachine> ta-da! 02:40:55 <imachine> thanks for the chats ;] 02:40:58 *** imachine [5a86217f74@mc2-p010.mc2.chalmers.se] has quit [Quit: aloha.] 02:43:49 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.190.96] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:45:35 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.163.24] has joined #openttd 02:51:49 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.167.125] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:52:06 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 02:53:26 *** HerzogDeXtEr 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[~sucks@dslb-084-058-103-248.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: und weg] 10:02:49 *** Mchl [~mchl@abeu251.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 10:03:02 <Mchl> hello 10:03:16 *** Purno_ [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 10:03:32 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:03:43 *** Boyinblue0 [~admin@5ac85a04.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 10:06:03 <Bjarni> hello Mchl 10:06:36 <Bjarni> Mchl: we have an issue with Sacro. He still considers this time of the day as morning 10:06:43 <peter1138> well it is 10:07:02 <Bjarni> maybe we should build a robot that invades his room at 8 O'clock and tell him that the sun is on the sky 10:10:12 <Mchl> as long as it is his room and not mine, I'll go for it 10:10:18 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 10:10:48 <Mchl> we need special detector, to detect whose room it is 10:10:51 *** De_Ghost [~s@CPE001d7e66291b-CM0011aec4b06a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #openttd 10:11:19 <Bjarni> GPS is good enough 10:11:30 <Mchl> and radio link to atomic clock, so that the robot knows what time it is exactly 10:11:35 <Bjarni> as it is accurate enough not to pick the wrong country 10:11:48 <Mchl> (I just love overkill solutions) 10:12:16 <Bjarni> actually we should use as little hardware as possible 10:12:37 <Mchl> minimalism is not fun :P 10:12:49 <Bjarni> reducing the amount of hardware that can fail will make it more reliable 10:13:08 <Bjarni> and we need to make it as reliable as possible to ensure that we reach the wanted result 10:13:09 *** De_Ghosty [~s@CPE001d7e66291b-CM0011aec4b06a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:13:33 <Mchl> and possibly make it cheaper, look better, weigh less... all that engineering talk... 10:13:38 <Mchl> :) 10:14:36 <Bjarni> yeah 10:14:42 <Bjarni> we need to make it as cheap as possible 10:14:55 <Bjarni> preferable built out of discarded hardware so it's for free 10:14:58 <Mchl> ok... so what way of room-intrusion do you propose? 10:15:06 <Mchl> door or window? 10:15:11 <Bjarni> wall 10:15:19 <Mchl> now you're talking! 10:16:03 <Bjarni> the question is if we can get a drill that's big enough 10:16:14 <Bjarni> we should add a wire detector as well 10:16:15 <Mchl> how about we use shaped explosive charges :D 10:16:20 <Bjarni> we need to take the fuse in the process 10:18:03 <Mchl> what kind of building do you live in Sacro? 10:18:38 <Mchl> is he around at all or still asleep? 10:18:59 <Mchl> @seen Sacro 10:18:59 <DorpsGek> Mchl: Sacro was last seen in #openttd 23 minutes and 56 seconds ago: <Sacro> this is early 10:19:04 <Bjarni> it would be so like him to fall asleep again 10:19:29 <Bjarni> we can't aim this at a specific building 10:19:33 <Bjarni> he moves a lot 10:19:53 <Bjarni> maybe he fails to pay rent 10:20:02 <Alberth> Track his mobile! 10:20:17 <Mchl> and IP! 10:20:22 <Bjarni> for all we know it's dead due to unpaid bills 10:20:40 <Bjarni> we should control his computer 10:21:06 <Mchl> let us plant a troian horse, that will emit high pitched sound from his PC, that our robot can aim for 10:21:06 <Bjarni> since he can't turn it off 10:21:14 <Bjarni> it would be against his beliefs 10:22:52 *** Zorn [zorn@d137010.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #openttd 10:35:28 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-226-12-146.adslplus.ch] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 10:38:38 *** Mark [~M4rk@5351EE62.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:40:41 *** M4rk [~M4rk@5351EE62.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 10:40:46 *** M4rk is now known as Mark 10:51:52 *** Xeryus|bnc is now known as XeryusTC 10:52:28 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has joined #openttd 10:55:01 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a46af1.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:58:00 *** GoneWacko [GoneWacko@86-60-152-123-dyn-dsl.ssp.fi] has joined #openttd 11:01:52 *** Boyinblue0 [~admin@5ac85a04.bb.sky.com] has quit [] 11:05:34 *** roboman [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 11:05:34 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:13:52 *** Zahl [~Zahl@p549F19BC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 11:15:17 <dvdb> oue 11:16:05 <dvdb> is it possible (with a grf or like that) to build parallel rail ways on roads? 11:16:43 <Gekz> o.o 11:16:50 <Gekz> explain 11:17:52 <dvdb> 3min pleace 11:17:55 <dvdb> please 11:18:43 <Rubidium> how standard... ``hello, this is my question but I've got no time to explain what I mean'' 11:19:22 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r13241 /trunk/src/vehicle.cpp: -Codechange: Simplify CmdDepotSellAllVehicles() a bit 11:19:26 <dvdb> Gekz: http://www.petar.ch/ottd.JPG 11:19:43 <Mchl> 2 minutes... nice 11:20:12 <dvdb> railways like tramways 11:20:12 <Gekz> dvdb: not possible afaik 11:20:24 <Gekz> I've never even seen that in real life 11:20:24 <Gekz> lol 11:20:45 <Mchl> there was a topic about it on forums 11:20:54 <Mchl> with some real life pictures 11:21:00 <Rubidium> it's not going to happen any time soon, if at all, though 11:21:24 <Gekz> kinda renders the road pointless 11:21:25 <Gekz> lol 11:21:38 <dvdb> Gekz: in Chur (Switzerland) the Raethian Railways drive on roads. 11:21:45 <hylje> medium rail 11:21:54 <hylje> not quite trams but not quite heavy rail either 11:22:12 <Gekz> dvdb: cool! 11:22:15 <Gekz> got a photo? 11:22:17 <Gekz> or can you find one? 11:22:23 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.198.10] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:22:35 <dvdb> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4d/Chur_Arosa_Bahn01.jpg 11:22:50 <dvdb> and it is not a tram, it is a train. 11:23:26 <dvdb> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6inpNvwDx9U 11:23:40 <Gekz> man 11:23:49 <Gekz> now I want to visit Switzerland even more 11:23:50 <Gekz> :D 11:24:04 <Gekz> dvdb: the road is wide though 11:24:08 <Gekz> on openttd, it isnt 11:25:25 <dvdb> other question: how can i change the speed of a train? 11:26:36 <dvdb> is there a parameter in a file to change? 11:27:55 <Alberth> dvdb: There are a few configure patches settings that affect train speed 11:28:29 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-226-12-146.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 11:29:33 <Alberth> Under the 'vehicles' tab, 'realistic acceleration', 'enable speed limit wagons', and 'weight multiplier for freight' 11:29:54 <Alberth> Otherwise, you'll have to make a GRF file. 11:30:21 <Alberth> (or find one with settings that you like :) ) 11:31:47 <Gekz> I just realilsed 11:31:53 <Gekz> Australia is the 6th largest country in the world 11:31:54 <Gekz> heh 11:32:52 <Gekz> you can fit 186.35133 Switzerlands in Australia 11:33:00 <Gekz> and they have about a third of our population lol 11:33:26 <dvdb> Gekz: I just realised that Switzerland has the best railway system :P 11:33:42 <dvdb> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/SBB_RABDe_500 *nice* 11:38:06 <dvdb> does anybody know something about newgrf files of swiss trains? 11:39:24 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B82CF1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:41:42 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B82DA4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 11:41:45 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 11:44:11 *** Mwa [~lexi@70.188-233-85.staticip.namesco.net] has joined #openttd 11:48:28 <Gekz> dvdb: look on the grfcrawler 11:48:39 *** dlunch [~dlunch@61.108.29.49] has joined #openttd 11:49:16 <dvdb> :/ nothing :( 11:49:16 <Gekz> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/SBB_RABDe_500 isn't completely translated into english -_- 11:49:38 <Gekz> dvdb: there isnt one 11:49:40 <Gekz> it seems. 11:49:41 <Gekz> make one :D 11:49:46 <dvdb> the most of the german article is written by me. but my englisch is so bad :( 11:50:10 <Gekz> Mein Deutsch ist nicht sehr gut. 11:50:39 <murr4y> dodo von den bergen! 11:50:43 <dvdb> yea! :-) 11:50:58 <Gekz> I know my cases though 11:50:59 <Gekz> lol 11:51:03 <Gekz> I can read German 11:51:18 <Gekz> with a dictionary. 11:51:18 <Gekz> lol 11:51:38 <Gekz> lol, Zug always makes me laugh 11:51:52 <Gekz> Train, zug 11:53:09 <dvdb> in switzerland there are a lot of mountains. and it costs a lot to make highspeed ways; so they built a tilting train which can drive fast in curves. 11:53:37 <Gekz> awesome 11:53:38 <Gekz> photo 11:53:39 <Gekz> :P 11:54:37 *** Mwa [~lexi@70.188-233-85.staticip.namesco.net] has left #openttd [Leaving] 11:54:42 <dvdb> Gekz: if you want to voyage to switzerland you can call me. i can show you the whole swiss railway-world. 11:55:00 <Gekz> if you're still alive in 2 years, and I can get to switzerland, definitely 11:55:02 <Gekz> :P 11:55:27 <dvdb> Gekz: i'll stay in this irc channel two years long. 11:55:33 <Gekz> haha ok 11:57:12 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.198.10] has joined #openttd 12:00:29 *** NukeBuster [~NukeBuste@80.101.115.82] has joined #openttd 12:00:51 *** Nuke2 [~NukeBuste@80.101.115.82] has joined #openttd 12:01:19 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@p5B11EFEF.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:16:37 *** dlunch [~dlunch@61.108.29.49] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:22:19 *** roboman [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:24:25 *** elmex [~elmex@e180066103.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 12:25:31 *** dlunch [~dlunch@61.108.29.49] has joined #openttd 12:28:49 *** divo [~asd@x1-6-00-18-39-d3-e9-f6.k899.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 12:35:28 *** Splatman [Splatman@78-32-219-154.no-dns-yet.enta.net] has joined #openttd 12:43:10 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 12:45:51 *** fdr [~x@host41-98-dynamic.31-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 12:46:01 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 12:46:02 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:46:12 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-179-196.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 12:46:21 <fdr> Hello! Please, can somebody tell me how to open the "Local authority" window? I cannot find it... thanks! 12:46:42 <glx> click on town name 12:46:51 <Gekz> thats a win. 12:47:24 <fdr> *that* was easy :D 12:47:44 <Splatman> I think I have a bug with VS handling of the autoreplace backup/restore code, I am usinga custom build with Tracksharing, PBS and copy paste, basicly when certian trains (only reproduced it with a tripple headed 32 long mail trian due to lack of testing) fail an autoreplace the restore seems to courput the Cargo packets data and will then produce invalid save games 12:47:54 <Splatman> This doesn't hapend with BuildOTTD 12:48:50 <glx> try with a clean trunk 12:49:08 <Splatman> I would but its a bugger to reproduce 12:49:30 <glx> it may be caused by one of the patches you applied 12:49:38 <Splatman> Non of the patches touch the code 12:49:49 <Splatman> for autoreplace and restore 12:50:30 <glx> but they can have out of bounds access and overwrite memory used by autoreplace 12:50:32 <Splatman> Track sharing does change feeder_share in the cargo packet to an array 12:50:55 <Splatman> The problem is I can't reliably reproduce it on the patch version 12:51:03 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has joined #openttd 12:52:13 <Splatman> My fried thinks it because the Restor Vheicle function giving every vheicle in the train the same cargo list 12:52:45 <Splatman> quote "yeah, it's definitely memcopying the list head pointer from the local list, which is destroyed and recreated each loop (and the c++ allocator gives it the same address)" 12:53:18 <Splatman> and the thinks gcc uses a null pointer for an empty list 12:54:35 <SmatZ> !log 12:54:37 <SpComb> Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd 12:54:37 <SmatZ> !logs 12:58:03 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r13242 /trunk/src/ (10 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: remove _opt_ptr. 13:02:10 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl51B7A1A2.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 13:08:09 *** dlunch [~dlunch@61.108.29.49] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:11:54 <Splatman> Right 13:12:02 <Splatman> amzingly it does it on trunk 13:18:49 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:19:45 <Splatman> http://www.gethyper.co.uk/dl/AutoReplacefail.sav 13:20:56 <Splatman> Using UKRS and PB's Industries, if you send the train thats in the station to the depot the auto replace fails, from then on it only saves corrupt files 13:23:43 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 13:26:18 <frosch123> If it is unmodified trunk, post it at bugs.openttd.org 13:51:02 <frosch123> thanks Splatman 13:52:10 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm244.epsilon120.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 13:53:05 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a46af1.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 13:53:09 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 13:59:51 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: truebrain * r13243 /3rdparty/squirrel/ (10 files in 4 dirs): 13:59:51 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: [Squirrel] -Update: updated Squirrel to 2.2.1 13:59:51 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: [Squirrel] -Remove: removed .pdf files from Squirrel, as they give more conflicts then anything else 13:59:51 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-226-12-146.adslplus.ch] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:01:57 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-218-161.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 14:06:49 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 14:36:18 <dvdb> :-) 14:38:57 <Gekz> what the hell is squirrel? 14:39:25 <Eddi|zuHause2> a small animal with a long furry tail 14:39:33 <Forked> next question 14:39:33 <Eddi|zuHause2> typically to be found in trees 14:40:57 <Bjarni> they are often gray, red and/or brown 14:42:21 <Eddi|zuHause2> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squirrel 14:42:31 <Mchl> herbivores 14:42:54 <Bjarni> btw I did something yesterday 14:43:02 *** fdr [~x@host41-98-dynamic.31-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Sto andando via] 14:43:12 <Bjarni> I played a tourist 14:43:29 <Bjarni> http://www.student.dtu.dk/~s991088/ferries.jpg <--- and took this picture of the ferries between Denmark and Sweden 14:44:03 <Bjarni> aka the busiest ferry line in EU 14:44:24 <Eddi|zuHause2> did you call yourself "twoflower"? 14:44:35 <Bjarni> why do you ask? 14:44:41 <Prof_Frink> Did you have The Luggage? 14:44:43 <Bjarni> why do you have to ask? :) 14:47:35 <Bjarni> Eddi|zuHause2: why would I call myself anything like that??? 14:47:53 <Eddi|zuHause2> oh great... now you ruined it :p 14:48:21 <Eddi|zuHause2> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twoflower 14:48:40 <Eddi|zuHause2> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Luggage 14:49:33 <Mchl> Description: A naive tourist wearing a wide grin 14:49:34 <Mchl> lol 14:51:19 <Bjarni> ahh 14:51:25 <Bjarni> not entirely like that 14:53:03 <Prof_Frink> Bjarni needs to read more Pratchett. 14:53:15 <Mchl> he does 14:54:40 <Mchl> Bjarni: you'll like the concept of L-space, if you don't know it by now 14:54:41 <Eddi|zuHause2> there's even a TV movie 14:55:02 <Bjarni> there is? 14:55:28 <Bjarni> I once saw a TV cartoon of Lord of the Rings 14:55:31 <Bjarni> it was crap 14:55:33 <Bjarni> and weird 14:55:37 <Eddi|zuHause2> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Colour_of_Magic_(TV_film) 14:55:53 <Bjarni> and I had problems even linking it to the book 14:56:13 <Eddi|zuHause2> yeah, the LotR cartoons were bad... 14:57:13 <Bjarni> I saw it before reading the book and I was told that LotR should be really good so I watched the whole thing 14:57:38 <Bjarni> when it ended I was thinking "I didn't understand shit about what happened" 14:57:47 <Eddi|zuHause2> :p 14:58:05 <Bjarni> it was just a bunch of weird people saying weird stuff 14:58:15 <Bjarni> and out of nowhere it ended 14:58:17 <Eddi|zuHause2> anyway, imho the Hogfather film is better than The Colour of Magic film 14:58:34 <Bjarni> while they were entering some game (I later learned that it had to be Moria) 14:58:49 <Bjarni> ers/game/gate 14:59:02 <Bjarni> +newline 14:59:18 <Bjarni> I can't even write correctiong right >_< 14:59:25 <Bjarni> agghhhh 14:59:30 <peter1138> give up 14:59:30 * Bjarni shuts up 15:00:04 *** Osai`off is now known as Osai 15:02:27 <Bjarni> to avoid all the typos talking about fiction: what do you think about the picture? 15:02:34 <Bjarni> it's for real 15:02:36 <Bjarni> ;) 15:03:22 <Eddi|zuHause2> there was a picture? :p 15:04:35 <peter1138> it's a ferry race 15:04:43 <Bjarni> <Bjarni> http://www.student.dtu.dk/~s991088/ferries.jpg <--- and took this picture of the ferries between Denmark and Sweden 15:05:57 <Bjarni> <peter1138> it's a ferry race <-- it would be a silly race as they aren't going in the same direction :P 15:06:26 <murr4y> haha 15:06:29 <murr4y> captain looks out 15:06:35 <murr4y> "fuck we're going the wrong way" 15:07:12 <Bjarni> actually this is normal traffic 15:07:31 <Bjarni> the two ferry lines have a total of 5 ferries 15:07:44 <Alberth> nah, turning point is just at the right of the picture, left-most ferry is quite far ahead :P 15:07:47 <Bjarni> going between the same two harbours 15:07:59 <Bjarni> the distance between them is 4 km 15:08:55 <Mchl> 5 ferries / 4km 15:09:07 <Mchl> that's 1,2 ferry/km 15:09:15 <Bjarni> the surprising thing is that they can go back and forth in just an hour (including emptying and filling the ferry in both ends) 15:09:28 <Bjarni> so it's 5 ferries in each direction every hour 15:09:33 <Mchl> 1,25 :P 15:10:11 <murr4y> are they usually full too? 15:10:12 * Bjarni notes not to buy a Mchl robot 15:10:36 <Bjarni> murr4y: not always completely full but full enough to justify so many ferries 15:10:46 <murr4y> damn 15:11:04 <Mchl> I truncated result if division, then decided I needed more precision :P 15:11:32 <Bjarni> 3 ferries has 3 car decks and 2 have 2. This means a total of 13 car decks each way every hour 15:12:04 <Bjarni> and they operate around the clock 15:12:15 <Mchl> why not build a bridge? 15:12:17 <Bjarni> (I don't think all ferries are active during the night though) 15:12:41 <Bjarni> <Mchl> why not build a bridge? <-- now you left the world of sanity and entered the political one 15:12:45 *** Digitalfox [~Digitalfo@bl4-209-230.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:12:50 <Bjarni> I guess that's enough answer for that question :P 15:12:53 <murr4y> lol 15:12:59 <murr4y> is there taxfree on the boat+ 15:13:00 <murr4y> ? 15:13:11 <Bjarni> yes 15:13:15 <Mchl> undestood 15:13:23 <Bjarni> and a really efficient one too 15:13:41 <Bjarni> since everybody who wants to buy something in it can do so in the 20 minute ride 15:14:04 <murr4y> nice 15:14:23 <murr4y> i bet it's not very expensive to cross either 15:14:36 <murr4y> at least it's not from norway to sweden, about 100 NOK 15:14:40 <murr4y> for a car 15:15:15 <Bjarni> so basically I can go to Sweden, shop tax free, buy gadgets/ethernet stuff/whatever in a nice shop 100 meters from the ferry landing and then go back again for the same price and time as it takes to go to Copenhagen 15:15:20 <Bjarni> no 15:15:26 <Bjarni> it's faster to go to Sweden 15:15:56 <murr4y> nice :p 15:16:11 <Mchl> ah! joys of living near the border 15:16:43 <Bjarni> <Mchl> why not build a bridge? <-- actually I think the real reason is that if there should be a bridge then the politicians wanted it to be built in Copenhagen. Now they built one in Copenhagen and everybody claimed the ferries to be dead 15:16:54 <Bjarni> and the ferries hardly lost any passengers 15:17:01 <Mchl> did you take picture in Denmark, or in Sweden? 15:17:11 <Bjarni> the bridge on the other hand lack the traffic they expected 15:17:49 <peter1138> lacks 15:18:21 <Bjarni> one reason is that if you come from south or west of Copenhagen then the bridge is 50 km longer and 30% more expensive 15:18:36 <Bjarni> and no taxfree 15:18:41 <Mchl> :) 15:18:43 <Rubidium> isn't the bridge on the south side of Copenhagen? 15:18:59 <Bjarni> it's in the eastern end 15:19:15 <Bjarni> next to the airport 15:22:54 <peter1138> http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=56.038175,12.622143&spn=0.003039,0.010815&t=h&z=17 15:22:59 <peter1138> so you were there 15:24:13 <Bjarni> http://www.svenske-muligheder.nu/data/obj/211/images/originals/untitled3.jpg <-- here you can see the bridge and the ferry line 15:25:08 <Bjarni> one issue is that to get anywhere except the very southern part of Sweden then you have to go to E4 or E6 and hence very close to the ferry on the Swedish side 15:25:22 <Bjarni> making the bridge a detour 15:25:26 <Bjarni> of 50 km 15:26:14 *** De_Ghosty [~s@CPE001d7e66291b-CM0011aec4b06a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #openttd 15:26:48 <Bjarni> now they are talking about building a bridge from Denmark to Germany 15:26:58 <Bjarni> I don't think it will happen 15:27:09 <Bjarni> Germany says it's ok as long as Denmark is paying 15:27:12 <Mchl> what's Peberholm? 15:27:49 <Bjarni> Sweden wants it but will not pay since it will not reach Sweden (it will affect travelling time between Sweden and Europe) 15:28:20 <Bjarni> Some Danish politicians wants it but the main drive in the political force was the transport minister who was replaced not long ago 15:28:30 <Bjarni> the population don't want to pay the price 15:28:48 <Rubidium> Bjarni: but.. there is already a bridge from Germany to Denmark 15:29:04 <Bjarni> not from RÞdby 15:29:14 *** De_Ghost [~s@CPE001d7e66291b-CM0011aec4b06a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:29:14 <Rubidium> you didn't say that! 15:29:38 <Bjarni> I presume that there is some short one in southern Jutland 15:30:02 <Rubidium> http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=54.899735,8.962859&spn=0.005713,0.006545&z=17 <- there 15:30:28 <Bjarni> <Mchl> what's Peberholm? <-- a 4 km long artificial island created to allow the bridge to be as short as possible (which is in this case shrinked down to 8 km) 15:31:37 <Rubidium> Peberholm is made because some people were sissies 15:31:41 <Mchl> tx 15:32:01 <Rubidium> building a bridge is cheaper than making an artificial island 15:32:18 <Mchl> well... someone got paid to build this island 15:32:25 <Mchl> and he was no sissy at all 15:32:26 <Mchl> :D 15:32:56 *** Purno_ [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:33:08 <Bjarni> http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=54.587282,11.298791&spn=0.005713,0.006545&z=11 <-- here is where they want to build a bridge 15:33:46 <Bjarni> the funny thing is that there is no bridge from Peberholm to Denmark 15:33:49 <Bjarni> there is a tunnel 15:34:06 <Bjarni> I never understood why they wanted a tunnel/bridge combo 15:34:19 <Rubidium> because of beforementioned sissies 15:34:34 <Bjarni> political decision 15:34:44 <Bjarni> just like the bridge on StorebÊlt 15:34:44 <Rubidium> because "a plane might prematurely stop flying during the approach" 15:35:03 <Bjarni> to prevent blocking waterflow some politicians wanted a tunnel instead 15:35:45 <Bjarni> so because trains are more environmental friendly they ended up making a tunnel for the trains and a bridge for the cars 15:36:17 <Rubidium> trains need more expensive bridges 15:36:34 <Bjarni> but the reason was not money but the environment 15:37:27 <Bjarni> they fucked up one thing regarding that bridge 15:37:40 <Rubidium> what? 15:37:46 <Bjarni> you could any kind of bike on the ferries but the bridge is for cars only 15:37:59 <Bjarni> then people could put the bikes on the train instead 15:38:22 <Bjarni> nobody thought about the railroad restrictions regarding bikes 15:38:33 <Bjarni> only normal bikes with no bags or anything 15:38:51 <Bjarni> meaning if you pack your tent and stuff on your bike you were screwed 15:38:59 <Bjarni> while the ferries accepted that 15:39:01 <peter1138> hmm, alsa switched from HG to GIT 15:39:14 <peter1138> i wonder why 15:39:19 <Bjarni> me too 15:39:23 <Bjarni> I never got git to work 15:39:30 <Bjarni> but HG works just fine 15:39:52 <Bjarni> compiled and installed in first try and never gave any problems 15:40:52 <Rubidium> peter1138: GIT<->GIT probably works better than HG<->GIT 15:43:39 <pasky> curious, did you have any particular problems with git? 15:44:01 <Bjarni> it failed to compile/work 15:44:04 <glx> it doesn't work on windows 15:44:06 <pasky> peter1138: probably has something to do with the change of maintainer too 15:44:14 <Bjarni> but I can't remember any specific reason 15:44:22 <pasky> there's a windows version (msysgit) but I'm not sure how much beta it still is 15:44:48 <pasky> but on unix i heard only rarely about problems with getting git to work 15:45:47 <Bjarni> maybe it will just work out of the box if I get the net source 15:45:56 <Bjarni> or try to get it to work 15:46:15 <Bjarni> I was more or less like "it failed... let's try HG instead" 15:46:51 <pasky> yeah, i can see that :) 15:47:13 <Bjarni> HG worked and since I only needed one of them... 15:48:03 <Bjarni> for all I know reading the whole readme might tell me to install some lib or something :P 15:48:42 <Bjarni> hmm 15:48:49 <Bjarni> none of them are in fink though :/ 15:49:13 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F4BB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:49:19 <Bjarni> ahh 15:49:22 <Bjarni> it's unstable 15:49:46 <Bjarni> Package git-1.5.3.7-2 15:49:47 <Bjarni> Description: Stupid content tracker (1.5.3.7-2) 15:51:00 <pasky> humble software ;) 15:51:14 <Bjarni> hmm 15:51:38 <Bjarni> HG needs OSX 10.4+ while git needs 10.3+ 15:51:47 <pasky> and you're using 10.2? :) 15:52:03 <Bjarni> I wonder what would happen with HG on 10.3 15:52:11 <Bjarni> maybe the package maintainer just didn't test it 15:52:26 <Bjarni> <pasky> and you're using 10.2? :) <-- I have a computer that can't boot anything never than 10.2 15:52:37 <Bjarni> and one that can't boot anything older than 10.4 15:52:50 <Bjarni> 10.3... I miss you :~( 15:53:15 <peter1138> and a pc will still run DOS 15:53:21 <pasky> :)) 15:53:22 <peter1138> that's how great OS X is, clearly 15:54:30 <Bjarni> I started wondering about the quality of OSX when I realised how 10.5 works 15:54:45 <Bjarni> or at least the backwards compatibility in it 17:51:14 *** SpComb [terom@zapotek.paivola.fi] has joined #openttd 17:59:10 *** Osai`off is now known as Osai 17:59:15 *** combuster [~marcel@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has joined #openttd 17:59:35 *** combuster is now known as [com]buster 18:00:20 <Bjarni> it's getting warmer 18:00:29 <Bjarni> like something is burning 18:00:30 <peter1138> so you've fixed them then? 18:00:45 <Bjarni> fixed what? 18:00:47 <Bjarni> the heater? 18:00:59 <Bjarni> I guess so because it's working perfectly 18:01:06 <peter1138> those bugs :) 18:01:13 <Bjarni> oh 18:01:34 <Bjarni> didn't have time 18:10:01 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-88-79.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Quit: The ending changes tone & is actually quite sad - but it involves a scene of necrophilia, so that's just another plus in my book.....] 18:14:16 *** [alt]buster [~combuster@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has joined #openttd 18:15:45 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-88-79.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 18:16:15 *** Digitalfox_ [~Digitalfo@bl7-190-135.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 18:16:34 *** [alt]buster [~combuster@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has quit [] 18:16:41 *** mikl [~mikl@0304ds2-ba.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:17:06 <Eddi|zuHause2> <dvdb> question: are there plans to realize diagonal bridges/tunnels? <- what qualifies as "plan"? 18:19:31 *** Digitalfox_ [~Digitalfo@bl7-190-135.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [] 18:20:35 <Bjarni> it means: is there any chance that somebody will try to implement it within 20 years 18:20:38 <Bjarni> so the answer is yes 18:20:46 <Bjarni> :P 18:21:10 *** [alt]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has joined #openttd 18:21:11 <Bjarni> if plans means that one of the current coders will implement it within a week then... fat chance 18:21:37 *** [com]buster [~marcel@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has quit [Quit: Orbing cilents] 18:21:44 *** Digitalfox [~Digitalfo@bl4-209-230.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:22:01 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 18:39:16 *** raimar2 [~hawk@p5489BD82.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:46:10 <xahodo> Hello 18:46:51 <xahodo> I've got a problem with the new orders gui (yes, I know... it's there for a while already, but I tried to get used to it before coming here). 18:49:07 <xahodo> Can't all those drop-down lists be made into buttons, which cycle through all of their available options? That would make it a lot more useful imho. 18:53:05 <Eddi|zuHause2> # U i vethed na i onnad. 18:53:06 <Eddi|zuHause2> # Si boe u-dhanna. 18:53:06 <Eddi|zuHause2> # Ae u-esteli, esteliach nad. 18:53:08 *** McHawk [~hawk@p5489BD82.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:53:19 <Eddi|zuHause2> how do you mean buttons? 18:53:39 <Eddi|zuHause2> sometimes i wish they would just keep the last selection 18:54:12 <xahodo> Well, instead of drop-down lists, just normal buttons. 18:54:26 <xahodo> Like buttons which you can click and then the next option appears. 18:54:35 <Eddi|zuHause2> what would that achieve? 18:54:45 <Eddi|zuHause2> except from not knowing all the options? 18:55:10 <xahodo> Ease of use, drop-down menus are tedious to use. 18:57:29 <xahodo> perhaps a compromise then: the drop-down menu still appears, but you could click the button to cycle through the options, instead of being forced to move the mouse over the option you want and /then/ clicking it. 18:57:54 <xahodo> Or how about a patch-setting, allowing you to choose between the two (or maybe 3)? 19:00:18 <Eddi|zuHause2> YAPS!! 19:00:26 <Eddi|zuHause2> that is surely the way to go!! :p 19:01:13 *** Digitalfox [~Digitalfo@bl7-190-135.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 19:01:53 <Prof_Frink> We should fork openttd-kde, with options for *everything* 19:02:05 <hylje> kopenttd 19:02:08 <hylje> gopenttd 19:02:35 <Eddi|zuHause2> [a-z]openttd 19:02:36 <Prof_Frink> gopenttd having one button, marked "build network" 19:02:56 <xahodo> lol 19:03:25 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has joined #openttd 19:04:57 <Eddi|zuHause2> # estelio han, estelio veleth 19:05:00 *** McHawk [~hawk@p5489BD82.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:05:02 <Digitalfox> does it make any sense making CCS use the white clour for background when it's the default one in html? 19:05:08 <Digitalfox> *color 19:05:19 <peter1138> yes 19:05:27 <peter1138> white background is not the default 19:05:41 <peter1138> many sites assume it is, but it's not 19:05:46 <Eddi|zuHause2> "default" is "whatever the browser is set to" 19:06:06 <Eddi|zuHause2> and to reprise the above discussion... konqeror :p 19:06:11 <Eddi|zuHause2> +u 19:06:19 <Digitalfox> but peter when we create a html file, it always uses white, so what you are saying is that happen just because the browser uses white by default but can be change by the user? 19:06:21 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@p5B11EFEF.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: dR3x4cK] 19:06:29 <peter1138> yes 19:06:35 <Digitalfox> ok thank you :) 19:07:05 <Digitalfox> so i'll always use css in every page for background :) 19:08:45 <Eddi|zuHause2> i hate sites forcing anything which they might as well let the user decide 19:09:18 <peter1138> yup 19:09:27 <Rubidium> like fontsizes in pixels or points 19:09:33 <Eddi|zuHause2> like if i have a desktop theme using dark background and light text, having webpages with the opposite is really bad 19:09:34 <peter1138> but worse is only specifying foreground and not background 19:10:36 <Eddi|zuHause2> or width of 640 pixels... resulting of only a small stripe being used 19:11:50 <Rubidium> or forcing a width more than 920 pixels 19:12:33 <Eddi|zuHause2> or forcing a width - period 19:13:09 <Digitalfox> but I should always define the width and height of a picture right? Like for example I have a photo 752*384, I should say the size so the browser when having a slow load of the picture already puts the page at it's size.. I hope I make sence.. 19:13:26 <peter1138> yes 19:13:26 <Eddi|zuHause2> or worse: forcing frame sizes in pixels, relying on a specific font in a specific size to fit into them 19:14:00 <Eddi|zuHause2> and any person using a different font/size is hopelessly screwed 19:14:46 <peter1138> "everyone uses 96dpi!" 19:17:04 <Digitalfox> Another noob question about css ( sorry guys I'm reading a tutorial and testing stuff, but have doubts ), should I always define font clors even if I just want the text in black? 19:17:14 <Digitalfox> *colors 19:17:27 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r13251 /trunk/src/ (80 files in 7 dirs): 19:17:27 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: -Codechange: rename _patches to _settings as that is more logic. 19:17:27 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: -Codechange: move all Settings into substructs of _settings in a way that they are logically grouped. 19:17:44 <Eddi|zuHause2> didn't we just say: never specify colours unless you really have to? 19:18:22 <Eddi|zuHause2> like: you have a background picture and want to have the text visible on it 19:18:41 <Digitalfox> but Eddi|zuHause2 I thought the same applied like the background where the default could be modified.. 19:18:52 <Digitalfox> if choosed in browser 19:19:15 <Prof_Frink> Yes. So if you set the background, set the foreground. 19:20:25 <Digitalfox> Haven't got the foreground in tutorial :p 19:20:49 <Eddi|zuHause2> foreground == text colour 19:21:01 <peter1138> if you haven't set either colour, then fine 19:21:02 <Prof_Frink> ^ what he said. 19:21:08 <peter1138> if the user has stupid defaults, that's their problem 19:21:16 <Digitalfox> well I defined the background in white 19:21:26 <peter1138> ah 19:21:35 <Digitalfox> since it would look bad in other color 19:21:35 <peter1138> then define the text colour 19:29:36 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: smatz * r13252 /trunk/src/order_cmd.cpp: -Fix: when converting orders from older savegames, set 'Unload and leave empty' for 'Unload' orders 19:29:50 <Eddi|zuHause2> a while ago i made a test run with KDE 4, and tried a dark desktop scheme, because it is better for the eyes 19:30:02 <Eddi|zuHause2> but web pages with white background screw that up 19:30:34 <Eddi|zuHause2> it really hurts when you open a browser, and suddenly the whole screen is bright 19:32:34 *** Splatman [Splatman@78-32-219-154.no-dns-yet.enta.net] has quit [] 19:33:42 *** [com]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has quit [Quit: Operator, give me an exit] 19:37:31 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 19:38:29 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: smatz * r13253 /trunk/src/order_cmd.cpp: -Codechange: simplify conversion of old orders a bit 19:50:39 *** Arie- [asdfsadf@villabadmuts.adsl.utwente.nl] has joined #openttd 20:00:24 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: smatz * r13254 /trunk/src/order_cmd.cpp: -Fix: waypoint orders could have invalid flags set after conversion 20:12:35 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d000a69.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:12:46 <Digitalfox> but Eddi|zuHause2 well for what I'm starting to understand if I don't define a background color users can have also a bad experience.. 20:13:05 <Digitalfox> It's like a trade off option.. 20:16:52 <peter1138> i think you fail to understand. it is pretty simple. 20:17:08 <peter1138> the validator checks it too 20:24:12 <Wolf01> 'night 20:24:20 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host250-234-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 20:36:44 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5499D.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 20:36:51 <Tefad> Eddi|zuHause2: this is why i set my brightness to something dumb 20:37:00 <Tefad> then counter with a hardware gamma if i have it 20:38:00 <Tefad> it's like screwing with the contrast but you don't lose as much information 20:43:01 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:47:10 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@p5B11EC92.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:47:24 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:48:06 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 20:52:45 *** Priski [priski@xob.kapsi.fi] has joined #openttd 20:54:43 *** xahodo [~xahodo@xahodo.demon.nl] has left #openttd [] 21:07:21 <Digitalfox> Well I think now I just have to edit the other pages.. http://files.filefront.com/M23PTW01zip/;10350520;/fileinfo.html Still a lot of things i guess i should done better but.. 21:08:24 <Ammler> is it possible to "auto"-replace mail waggons with pass waggons? 21:09:04 <peter1138> no 21:09:27 <Ammler> thank :-) 21:09:33 <Ammler> s 21:10:37 <Rubidium> FOR_ALL_VEHICLES(v) if (v->cargo_type = CT_MAIL) v->cargo_type = CT_PASS; 21:10:45 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@p5B11EC92.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: dR3x4cK] 21:11:00 <Rubidium> probaly fails horribly with newgrfs 21:11:26 <Ammler> :-) 21:12:14 *** Mark [~M4rk@5351EE62.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:12:23 <Ammler> you can't do such things with console 21:12:33 <Ammler> you would need a debugger, I guess 21:13:07 *** M4rk [~M4rk@5351EE62.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 21:13:12 *** M4rk is now known as Mark 21:13:19 <peter1138> i doubt a debugger would do that 21:13:20 <Rubidium> more than likely that the debugger can't do it that efficiently either 21:16:21 * Touqen pokes people randomly. 21:16:21 <Tefad> OW!!!! 21:16:21 *** divo [~asd@x1-6-00-18-39-d3-e9-f6.k899.webspeed.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:16:31 <Tefad> divo didn't like it either it seems. 21:16:35 *** divo [~asd@x1-6-00-18-39-d3-e9-f6.k899.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 21:16:39 <pasky> certainly if you keep the single equal sign in the condition at least 21:16:40 <Touqen> :> 21:17:11 *** Boyinblue0 [~admin@5ac85a04.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 21:17:24 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.198.10] has joined #openttd 21:21:30 <Rubidium> pasky: it'd still make all mail wagons passenger wagons 21:21:45 <Touqen> As well as every other vehicle. 21:21:52 <Touqen> So it's "right" but not "correct". 21:21:53 <pasky> isn't that what ammler wanted? 21:22:04 <SpComb> Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd 21:22:04 <Sacro> !logs 21:22:31 <Sacro> Mchl: i live in a house 21:22:59 <dih> in a flat in a house 21:23:16 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.198.10] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:23:48 <Touqen> down by the river 21:25:04 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F4BB.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:27:20 <Bjarni> dih: thanks 21:28:01 <Touqen> You should totally rip out squirrel and replace the NoAI programming language with scheme. 21:30:11 <peter1138> totally 21:31:10 <Touqen> (car 'woot') 21:33:04 <Touqen> Hmm.. that's wrong :/ 21:38:02 *** AC6000 [~AC6000@h78.93.28.71.ip.alltel.net] has joined #openttd 21:38:29 *** AC6000 [~AC6000@h78.93.28.71.ip.alltel.net] has left #openttd [] 21:39:24 <Sacro> Four of the five crew members were slightly injured during the accident which fortunately left the 747 in good shape, despite having split in two 21:42:11 <Bjarni> I wouldn't trust a plane split in two to be in good shape 21:42:31 <Sacro> Bjarni: meh, it'll buff right out 21:42:54 <Bjarni> but whoever wrote that should feel free to try to fly with that thing 21:43:06 <Bjarni> as long as he will be in safe distance from me 21:43:14 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-110-195.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [Quit: rebooting...] 21:43:35 <Touqen> Bjarni: You'd be surprised much a plane can be fixed right up in a jiffy. 21:43:55 <Bjarni> no 21:44:26 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-110-195.fttx.bbned.nl] has joined #openttd 21:44:58 *** christian [~christian@nrbg-4dbff8f3.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 21:45:09 <Touqen> Damned fingers dropping words on me again. 21:45:12 *** christian [~christian@nrbg-4dbff8f3.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [] 21:56:49 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host217-42-221-117.range217-42.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 22:00:59 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:08:58 *** CIA-3 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:10:30 <Eddi|zuHause2> you can counter that by packing additional words for safetx 22:10:36 <Eddi|zuHause2> s/x/y/ 22:11:23 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-89-155.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 22:13:48 *** Boyinblue0 [~admin@5ac85a04.bb.sky.com] has quit [] 22:22:48 <Prof_Frink> Bjarni: Gaffer tape the two ends together, it'll be fine. 22:22:49 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.165.253] has joined #openttd 22:24:16 *** Aitor [~aitor@118.Red-213-97-221.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #openttd 22:24:17 <Touqen> 100 mph tape :D 22:24:32 *** Aitor [~aitor@118.Red-213-97-221.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [] 22:26:44 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-179-196.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:28:50 *** Mido [~chatzilla@H97.C196.cci.switchworks.net] has joined #openttd 22:29:11 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.198.10] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:30:36 <Mido> does anybody know how the custom music thing in the jukebox works? 22:30:53 <Sacro> yes 22:31:19 <Arie-> lol 22:31:23 *** thgerg1 [~Administr@dsl51B78807.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:31:26 <Arie-> just say yes and then be silent ;) 22:31:27 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.162.88] has joined #openttd 22:31:36 <Arie-> you answered his question 22:31:47 <Prof_Frink> Arie-: Sacro is not in that group. 22:32:15 <Prof_Frink> Sacro is not in the group of knowing anything. 22:32:31 <Rubidium> he could still answer a question by saying something random 22:32:39 <Sacro> he asked if "anybody knew" 22:32:41 <Mido> alright, let me refine my question. can anybody EXPLAIN the custom music feature. 22:32:42 <Sacro> and yes, someone does 22:32:46 <Sacro> Mido: yes 22:32:47 <Sacro> :) 22:32:52 <Mido> and DO so. 22:32:57 <Arie-> hahah 22:32:59 <Arie-> finally 22:33:00 <Arie-> :p 22:37:39 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.165.253] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:39:09 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.187.89] has joined #openttd 22:44:39 <Mchl> goodnight all 22:45:14 *** Mchl [~mchl@abeu251.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has left #openttd [Ex-Chat] 22:45:38 *** Digitalfox [~Digitalfo@bl7-190-135.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:46:09 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:46:16 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.162.88] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:48:01 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.177.10] has joined #openttd 22:50:48 <Eddi|zuHause2> the key to solving a problem is to ask the right question 22:51:05 <Touqen> The great Eddi-san has spoken. 22:51:15 <Eddi|zuHause2> and by induction you get: the solution of a problem is a series of right questions 22:53:21 <Eddi|zuHause2> Touqen: actually, G. Cantor said that [in a slight variation] 22:53:43 <Touqen> I see. 22:53:53 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:54:29 <Eddi|zuHause2> and my school was named after that person... 22:54:38 <Eddi|zuHause2> which might or might not be just a coincidence :p 22:54:44 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.187.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:55:01 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 22:55:04 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 22:57:32 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.169.101] has joined #openttd 22:58:14 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host217-42-221-117.range217-42.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:58:41 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host217-42-221-117.range217-42.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 23:01:20 <Mido> and still nobody has told me how to use custom music -_- 23:01:55 <Touqen> Apparently you haven't yet hit the series of right questions. 23:02:28 <Mido> Oh but I have. 23:02:34 <Mido> i refined my question several times 23:02:41 <Mido> the most recent edition of the question is 23:02:51 <Eddi|zuHause2> apparently not, you would have your answer if that was the case 23:03:15 <Mido> Mido> alright, let me refine my question. can anybody EXPLAIN the custom music feature. 23:03:17 <Mido> Mido> and DO so. 23:03:35 <glx> in music gui? 23:03:38 *** CIA-3 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has joined #openttd 23:03:45 <Mido> The jukebox 23:04:05 <glx> it's just to allow you to make your own playlist with ttd music 23:04:17 <glx> like the 3 predifined styles 23:04:19 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.177.10] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:07:07 <Mido> ......thats incredibly pointless....the game only comes with 20 or so songs 23:07:22 <glx> it was nice in 1995 23:07:24 <Mido> most of which are under a minute long 23:07:56 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.191.139] has joined #openttd 23:07:58 <Mido> not to mention how annoying the music gets after hearing it hundreds of times 23:08:44 <Mido> anyways...there must be some way to get the game to play music from a folder 23:09:31 <Eddi|zuHause2> yes. start winamp, add music, press play, minimise to tray :p 23:12:21 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.169.101] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:12:54 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host217-42-221-117.range217-42.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:13:40 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host217-42-221-117.range217-42.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 23:13:43 <Mido> yeah i know but it would be useful if you could configure the in game jukebox to play it so you dont have to minimize the game every time you want to change to a specific song 23:14:46 <Touqen> Why play in fullscreen? 23:14:50 <Eddi|zuHause2> why would you do that? 23:15:14 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.177.83] has joined #openttd 23:15:46 <Eddi|zuHause2> real operating systems can display non-fullscreen-applications without exiting full screen 23:16:21 * Sacro huggles QNX 23:16:42 * Sacro also huggles Bjarni 23:17:30 * Touqen pokes indiscriminately. 23:19:24 *** elmex [~elmex@e180066103.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:20:48 <dih> i want a hug tooo 23:20:59 * Touqen gropes dih 23:21:01 <Touqen> There, you go. 23:21:10 <Touqen> s/,// 23:21:11 <dih> i dont even know that word 23:21:16 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.191.139] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:21:44 * dih visits leo.dict.org 23:22:27 * Bjarni stabs Sacro 23:22:32 <Bjarni> it was in self defence 23:22:37 <Bjarni> he wanted to rape me >_< 23:22:46 <Sacro> Bjarni: i didn't want to 23:22:50 <Sacro> the gnomes told me to 23:22:55 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.165.106] has joined #openttd 23:23:05 * dih corrects the url to dict.leo.org 23:24:05 * Bjarni notes that Sacro listens to his parents 23:24:21 <Sacro> eugh, 23:24:25 <Sacro> these farts are tocix 23:24:34 <dih> Touqen: you nasty little pervert 23:24:48 <dih> i asked for a hug - not some other kind of game of yours... 23:25:16 <Bjarni> dih: you ask people on the internet to get close to you 23:25:24 <Bjarni> you should have expected this to happen 23:25:27 <Eddi|zuHause2> what a perfect world it would be if everybody got what he asked for... 23:25:54 * dih slaps Eddi 23:26:05 <dih> you never aksed for it, but still got it ^^ 23:26:23 <ben_goodger> dih: if you're looking up "grope" you will be unpleasantly surprised 23:26:23 <ben_goodger> not really 23:26:24 <Bjarni> Sacro keeps on asking for boobs 23:26:25 <ben_goodger> that wouldn't work, in any case. 23:26:43 <Bjarni> but I don't think he needs to invest in a bra just yet 23:27:05 <dih> Bjarni: Sacro would, of course he would - be the only pair he'd ever get ^^ 23:27:13 <Bjarni> no 23:27:38 <Bjarni> he actually claims to have fucked his friend's ex girlfriend o_O 23:27:44 <Sacro> yes 23:28:02 <ben_goodger> some people would be wishing "اÙÙÙ Ø Ùرج٠تد٠Ùر اسرا؊ÙÙ" and others would be wishing "I'd quite like everyone to live happily with each other" and those two are mutually exclusive 23:28:11 <Bjarni> we can only imagine why she ended up in a mental hospital 23:28:30 <Eddi|zuHause2> i don't have these characters... 23:28:38 <Bjarni> lucky you 23:29:16 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.177.83] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:29:20 <dih> Eddi: i assume you have other characters then? 23:29:23 <dih> you scizo 23:29:39 <Eddi|zuHause2> we are not schitzophrenic!! 23:29:40 <Bjarni> it would appear that it's Arabic and calling god (Allah?) to destroy Israel 23:30:00 <Bjarni> but the real question is... where did ben_goodger get that quote from? 23:30:10 <Sacro> http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=icEgEVi47KQ NSFW XD 23:30:37 <Eddi|zuHause2> who works on a sunday night? 23:30:56 <Bjarni> me 23:31:43 <ben_goodger> Eddi|zuHause2: arabic for "god, please destroy israel", according to google translate 23:31:43 <ben_goodger> evidently the destruction of the jews is incompatible with global harmony 23:31:43 <Bjarni> but working as a student gives me a very forgiving boss when it comes to clicking links 23:31:47 <ben_goodger> Bjarni: google translate's statistical translation system is very, very, _very_ good 23:31:49 <ben_goodger> Sacro: fake 23:31:59 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.182.219] has joined #openttd 23:32:06 <Sacro> ben_goodger: nah, got to be real 23:32:10 <Sacro> look at the roundness 23:32:15 <Sacro> the glisten 23:32:24 <Eddi|zuHause2> i don't have any spare bandwidth 23:32:38 <Sacro> then you are missing out 23:32:50 <Bjarni> Eddi|zuHause2: with your bandwidth then you shouldn't waste any of it on Sacro links 23:33:09 <Bjarni> specially not after somebody declares it fake 23:33:22 <Eddi|zuHause2> i was not going to ;) 23:33:57 <ben_goodger> I mean the inflation. it's blatantly done with a pump of some sort. also, it wouldn't make that noise 23:33:58 <Bjarni> <ben_goodger> Bjarni: google translate's statistical translation system is very, very, _very_ good <-- I have seen google translate create some wtf translations 23:34:19 <ben_goodger> Bjarni: it was only introduced in the last few months afaik 23:34:44 <Bjarni> like when it claimed that the "ink band" from the typewriter were used to build a snowplow 23:34:45 <ben_goodger> it does funny things with german sometimes 23:35:01 <ben_goodger> it's quite poor at russian also; but it will learn as it gets more and more suggestions to 23:35:01 <ben_goodger> play with 23:35:04 <ben_goodger> bayes' formula is like that ^^ 23:35:17 <Bjarni> it was supposed to be some sort of rotating metal spikes 23:35:45 <Bjarni> hmm 23:36:15 <Bjarni> I wonder what will happen if we give feedback on how it could be translated and we write weird stuff 23:36:28 <Bjarni> would it fuck up the translator or do they filter out stuff 23:36:41 <Eddi|zuHause2> both 23:36:55 <Eddi|zuHause2> it will first fuck up the translator, and then they improve the filters 23:37:09 <Bjarni> heh 23:37:27 <Eddi|zuHause2> it was like this with the search engine, too 23:37:41 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.165.106] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:38:08 <Eddi|zuHause2> first people started to put senseless words into pages, so they would show up on top of the results 23:38:35 <Eddi|zuHause2> and then they improved the weighting algorithm 23:38:54 <Belugas> Mido, the game, as it is, does not allow any kinf of music addition. When I want to listen to music, most of the time, i juist put winamp on random. Works fine. 23:39:32 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-218-161.adslplus.ch] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 23:39:58 <Bjarni> Even today's most sophisticated software, however, doesn't approach the fluency of a native speaker or possess the skill of a professional translator. <-- I disagree. Sometimes google translate can be just as good as real translators 23:40:19 <Bjarni> but maybe that tells something about the quality of some professional translators :P 23:40:39 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.168.159] has joined #openttd 23:41:03 <ben_goodger> I think it won't have that much of an effect 23:41:36 <Bjarni> I have actually seen somebody linking to an official translation, the original text and as a comment to those links he said that he hoped they used a computer to translate because if a person did that translation then they hired the wrong guy 23:41:44 <Eddi|zuHause2> typical problems of translators are hidden connotations of words, or names that are not identified as such, because they look like normal words 23:43:07 <Bjarni> I have actually seen google translate identify names of people and translate accordingly (unlike babelfish that created wtf stuff of the same string) 23:43:55 <Rubidium> Google is inconsequent with translations 23:44:28 <Rubidium> in the same sentence it can translate a person's name in two different ways 23:45:39 <Bjarni> heh 23:45:59 <Bjarni> just found something that can mess up google translate 23:46:07 <Bjarni> and I think it's unfixable :P 23:46:49 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.182.219] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:46:57 <Bjarni> ãã倪éã(translate this from Japanese to English). It will identify it as the name of a person and write "Taro Yuki" which is correct 23:47:20 <Bjarni> however if it's the name of a robot then the correct translation would be "Yukitaro" 23:47:31 <Bjarni> but it's written in the same way in Japanese 23:47:48 <Rubidium> got to love context, right? 23:47:49 <Bjarni> so I have no idea on how to tell the translator what to write XD 23:48:28 <Bjarni> <Rubidium> got to love context, right? <-- yeah but how would you tell google translate the context? 23:48:48 <Eddi|zuHause2> just try to translate "Zug" from german to english :p 23:49:23 <Bjarni> Train 23:49:31 <Bjarni> I excepted that ;) 23:49:38 <Sacro> excepted? 23:49:41 <Eddi|zuHause2> but does it know the other 20 meanings? 23:49:49 <Bjarni> expected >_< 23:49:55 <Sacro> zug? 23:49:57 <Sacro> it means trainn 23:50:01 <Sacro> or isn't that bahn 23:50:03 <Sacro> hmm 23:50:07 <Bjarni> lol 23:50:11 <Sacro> like u-bah and bahnplatz 23:50:11 <Eddi|zuHause2> from "motorbike with a trailer" over "wind in a room" to "town in switzerland"? 23:50:26 <Bjarni> Sacro: is train and railroad the same word? 23:50:36 <Sacro> Bjarni: well yes 23:50:45 <Sacro> we use train station and raliway station interchangebly 23:51:11 <Bjarni> can you always replace train with railroad and vice versa in all sentences? 23:51:14 <Eddi|zuHause2> "Das Meerschweinchen hat Zug abbekommen" does not mean "the guinea-pig was overrund by a train" 23:51:26 <Eddi|zuHause2> -d 23:51:35 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.190.99] has joined #openttd 23:52:02 <Bjarni> no 23:52:05 <Bjarni> it means 23:52:05 <Sacro> THE POOR GUINEA PIG :O 23:52:08 <Bjarni> " 23:52:10 <Bjarni> The guinea pig train has abbekommen" 23:52:14 <Bjarni> hmm 23:52:21 <Bjarni> what is that newline doing there? 23:52:23 <Eddi|zuHause2> wtf? 23:52:36 <Sacro> Bjarni: pissing you off 23:52:37 <Bjarni> google added a newline o_O 23:52:42 <Sacro> and wasting SpComb's server space 23:52:56 <Eddi|zuHause2> argh fucking google stroke again... the dropdown buttons do not work in konqueror 23:53:09 <Bjarni> lol 23:53:32 <Bjarni> try firefox 23:53:39 <Bjarni> if you have the bandwidth to download it 23:53:42 <Eddi|zuHause2> yeah... but i hate firefox 23:53:53 <Eddi|zuHause2> i have it installed 23:54:00 <Eddi|zuHause2> for really desperate times 23:54:12 <Eddi|zuHause2> like when i want something from sourceforge 23:54:13 <Bjarni> maybe you should try it when konquror fails 23:54:25 <Bjarni> +e 23:54:55 <Bjarni> and no Sacro, I don't mean "failse" :P 23:55:29 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.168.159] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:55:53 <Eddi|zuHause2> but really, how bad is google translator if it cannot get the meaning of such a simple word like "abbekommen"? 23:56:23 <Bjarni> yeah 23:56:29 <Bjarni> at least it says beta 23:56:52 <glx> like all other google services ;) 23:56:54 <Eddi|zuHause2> isn't google synonym for "eternally beta"? 23:57:11 <Bjarni> but you who is presumed to be the best one of us as German should tell them how to translate this line 23:57:27 <Bjarni> and you have done a good deed 23:57:46 <Eddi|zuHause2> http://dict.leo.org/?search=abbekommen 23:58:46 <Bjarni> bookmarked 23:58:54 <Bjarni> that page appears to know something google didn't 23:58:55 <Bjarni> :P 23:59:13 <Eddi|zuHause2> well, it's not a computer generated translation :p 23:59:44 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.173.4] has joined #openttd 23:59:45 <Eddi|zuHause2> oh, and for the record: http://dict.leo.org/?search=zug 23:59:58 <Bjarni> that page reminds me... some installer for a commercial game could make two installs... it could make Deutsch" and "Englisch"