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05:14:36 *** Neo_ [~mobile@203.185.176.17] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:16:47 *** DaleStan [~Dale@c-98-223-83-70.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:18:10 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-94-202.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 05:27:21 *** ben_goodger_ [~ben@host217-44-220-18.range217-44.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:27:45 *** ben_goodger_ [~ben@host217-44-220-18.range217-44.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 05:40:47 *** jni [~geetee@cs181040004.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:51:09 *** Osai`off is now known as Osai 06:55:01 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm245.epsilon122.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 07:16:30 *** Lex [~lex@70.188-233-85.staticip.namesco.net] has joined #openttd 07:20:17 <Eddi|zuHause2> certainly nobody is here before 7AM 07:20:48 <Eddi|zuHause2> on a sunday... 07:22:08 <Lex> It's 8:20 07:22:24 <Eddi|zuHause2> no, it's 9:20 07:22:43 <SpComb> Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd 07:22:43 <Eddi|zuHause2> !logs 07:22:52 <Eddi|zuHause2> see for yourself what i was replying to 07:25:12 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause2, let's rephrase it for Lex: certainly nobody is here before 6AM on a sunday... 07:25:35 *** LA [~questionm@ip235.cab20.ltln.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 07:27:27 <Lex> k. 07:28:34 *** planetmaker|away is now known as planetmaker 07:29:37 <hylje> Rubidium: lies 07:39:22 *** ben_goodger_ [~ben@host217-44-220-18.range217-44.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:43:14 *** ben_goodger_ [~ben@host217-44-220-18.range217-44.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 08:01:08 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm245.epsilon122.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:05:27 *** ben_goodger_ [~ben@host217-44-220-18.range217-44.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:05:56 *** ben_goodger_ [~ben@host217-44-220-18.range217-44.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 08:08:47 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B75529.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:10:42 *** Lex [~lex@70.188-233-85.staticip.namesco.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:13:24 *** LA is now known as epic_fail 08:13:43 *** epic_fail is now known as LA 08:16:01 *** planetmaker is now known as planetmaker|away 08:17:49 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 08:21:20 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 08:22:06 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has quit [] 08:36:05 *** planetmaker|away is now known as planetmaker 08:47:52 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B760FE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:49:40 <LA> hello 08:50:15 <LA> is there a patch option somewhere which makes oil wells act the same in temperate as in arctic 08:50:31 <LA> so they wont start losing production and eventually close down 08:54:46 *** Zuu [~Zuu@213.113.60.54] has joined #openttd 08:55:09 <Eddi|zuHause> write a newindustries grf 08:55:21 <LA> ... 08:55:46 <Eddi|zuHause> no, really, that is exactly the option you want 08:55:48 <LA> you know I cant do something so tricky 08:56:00 <LA> I can code only some easy things 08:56:13 <LA> a few var2 s too.. but no industrues 08:56:49 <LA> I would need a hell lot of help from DaleStan and maybe Pikka :P.. He has helped me so far with the wwottdgd grf :D 08:59:08 <Eddi|zuHause> http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=Action0Industries#Special_industry_flags_to_define_special_behavior_1A_ <- maybe this helps you 09:02:34 *** Xeryus|bnc is now known as XeryusTC 09:18:21 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 09:19:52 *** Aerandir [magic.powe@90-230-201-111-no37.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Quit: - nbs-irc 2.39 - www.nbs-irc.net -] 09:23:53 *** Aerandir [magic.powe@90-230-201-111-no37.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 09:31:54 *** Slowpoke [Lobster__@dslb-088-073-207-009.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 09:34:46 *** markmc^ [~me@1-1-1-19b.o.sth.bostream.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:35:34 *** markmc [~me@1-1-1-19b.o.sth.bostream.se] has joined #openttd 09:39:18 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CE40.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:02:52 *** Zahl [~Zahl@p549F0699.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 10:11:54 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r13349 /trunk/src/ (news_gui.cpp news_type.h): -Codechange: remove a pointless flag; the flag is set before calling a function and is then reset in the function without ever reading it. Patch by Cirdan. 10:12:27 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:14:57 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.206.116] has joined #openttd 10:20:50 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.206.116] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:21:14 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.206.116] has joined #openttd 10:21:27 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.206.116] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:21:36 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.223.13] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:22:11 *** Nijn [~Roland@a80-127-25-50.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 10:22:15 <Nijn> morning all! 10:30:12 *** Mchl [~mchl@abft243.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 10:30:19 <Mchl> hello 10:30:48 *** Hendikins is now known as Hendikins|SRA412 10:38:54 *** divo [~asd@x1-6-00-18-39-d3-e9-f6.k899.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 10:50:35 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 11:01:44 *** jni [~geetee@cs181040004.pp.htv.fi] has joined #openttd 11:11:10 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:21:32 *** ben_goodger_ [~ben@host217-44-220-18.range217-44.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:22:35 *** ben_goodger_ [~ben@host217-44-220-18.range217-44.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 11:25:19 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.230.1] has quit [Quit: ecke] 11:25:40 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.231.53] has joined #openttd 11:26:41 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@p5499D834.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:26:49 *** NukeBuster [~NukeBuste@80.101.115.82] has joined #openttd 11:26:54 *** NukeBuster [~NukeBuste@80.101.115.82] has quit [] 11:36:52 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 11:38:34 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.231.53] has quit [Quit: ecke] 11:52:40 *** MFH [~mfh@89.36.200.33] has joined #openttd 11:53:40 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.231.53] has joined #openttd 11:58:38 *** Pikka [~PikkaBird@CPE-58-165-98-32.qld.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 12:15:24 *** shodan [~user@ppp101-219.static.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:15:57 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d000f3d.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 12:16:14 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@c-98-223-83-70.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 12:16:15 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest805 12:16:15 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 12:20:35 *** Slowpoke_ [~Lobster@dslb-088-073-249-069.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 12:22:37 *** Guest805 [~Dale@pool-71-98-94-202.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:23:27 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@c-98-223-83-70.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 12:23:27 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest807 12:23:27 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 12:27:54 *** Slowpoke [Lobster__@dslb-088-073-207-009.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:28:07 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host131-232-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 12:28:15 <Wolf01> hello 12:28:16 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-173-003.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 12:28:21 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 12:28:22 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:28:58 *** Guest807 [~Dale@c-98-223-83-70.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:29:04 *** LA is now known as LA[afk] 12:29:19 <Wolf01> Q: timetables and load orders: what is wrong? 12:29:35 <Rubidium> load orders override timetables 12:29:54 <Rubidium> full load orders that is 12:30:14 <Wolf01> why not the opposite? 12:30:43 <Rubidium> because then: "load if available", "full load" and "full load any" are equivalent 12:30:51 <Rubidium> in the context of time tables 12:30:53 *** dragonhorseboy [~dragonhor@modemcable147.26-58-74.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #openttd 12:30:54 <dragonhorseboy> hey 12:31:04 <Rubidium> because it'll always be at the station for X days/ticks 12:31:26 <Rubidium> with timetables it won't leave early 12:31:31 <LA[afk]> how many ticks in one day? 12:32:12 <Rubidium> LA[afk]: in what context? vanilla OpenTTD? 12:32:23 <Rubidium> or random patchpack? 12:32:44 <LA[afk]> vanilla 12:32:47 <LA[afk]> :P 12:32:47 <Rubidium> 74 12:33:00 <LA[afk]> k 12:33:27 <Wolf01> I need to start a train if full loaded before the timetable time, but if not full loaded it should stay at station until timetable time expired 12:33:29 <LA[afk]> I woudln't ask a question about a random patchpack here 12:33:59 <Rubidium> Wolf01: doesn't work that way 12:34:13 <Wolf01> eh, I noticed 12:34:30 <Rubidium> ever noticed trains leaving too early? 12:34:47 <Rubidium> that'd be really ground breaking 12:35:02 *** shodan [~user@ppp101-219.static.internode.on.net] has joined #openttd 12:35:02 *** Pinchiukas [~lox@212.122.90.186] has joined #openttd 12:35:06 <dragonhorseboy> I agree rubidium 12:35:15 <Pinchiukas> is there a better manual on signals than in the wiki? 12:35:30 <Progman> what agains the manual on the wiki? 12:35:55 <LA[afk]> http://www.openttdcoop.org/wiki/Guides:Presignals 12:36:06 <LA[afk]> dunno if it's better though 12:36:28 <LA[afk]> and they cover pre-signals, not usual 12:38:39 <dragonhorseboy> LA...there's one particular signalling that I never could quite figure out before...hmm let me see if I can try explain it... 12:39:29 <dragonhorseboy> 2 platforms at both ends (3 trains)... and one single in middle of the single line .. never could quite figure if it was possible to signal the middle properly or not :/ 12:39:54 <dragonhorseboy> eg train 1 at north and train 2+3 at south .. train 3 often follow train 2 but problem is making train 1 wait till the middle signal isn't red 12:40:27 <dragonhorseboy> otherwise getting 'cornfield meets' in the middle :p 12:42:29 <Pinchiukas> ok what the FUCK do I have to do to make the trains use one track to go one way and the other one to return 12:42:32 <Wolf01> so Rubidium, how can I set the orders to avoid: 12:42:32 <Wolf01> 1) trains loading more than 30 days when they are already full loaded 12:42:32 <Wolf01> or 12:42:32 <Wolf01> 2) trains waiting 30 days and then start empty, because 2 trains arrived at the same time but there is no cargo for both 12:43:13 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-110-195.fttx.bbned.nl] has joined #openttd 12:44:56 <Rubidium> use full load and don't use time tables 12:45:13 <dragonhorseboy> good question: whatever happened to partial load? ;) 12:45:14 <Wolf01> but then they'll wait 150 days 12:45:27 <Rubidium> dragonhorseboy: there never has been partial load 12:45:36 <shodan> oooh - presignals guide 12:45:51 <dragonhorseboy> rubidium...there was 12:45:59 <Rubidium> dragonhorseboy: really? which revision? 12:46:11 <Rubidium> maybe in some <Crappy>IN 12:46:12 <dragonhorseboy> they just seem to not be able to bother rolling it into any RC builds for some reason tho 12:46:34 <dragonhorseboy> I often had many 60-70% loaded freights (still do at times) 12:47:35 <Rubidium> Wolf01: if they wait 150 days you've got too many trains on the route 12:47:54 <Wolf01> no, only periods of very low production 12:47:58 <dragonhorseboy> (kinda a bit like in RT2 where I had 3 grain cars to one farm and at random it may be all cars loaded or sometimes only two cars alone .. but at least never ever empty thanks to the cargo flag option) 12:48:52 <Rubidium> Wolf01: time tables are not a tool to handle production changes automatically 12:50:28 <Progman> Pinchiukas: using one-way signals 12:50:54 <Wolf01> So what is timetable useful for? 12:51:03 <Pinchiukas> Progman: how do I put a one way signal? 12:51:16 <dragonhorseboy> pinchiukas..umm..click again? 12:51:20 <Progman> place a signal and ctrl-click on ot 12:51:23 <dragonhorseboy> even ttdx was like that 12:51:27 <Progman> it 12:51:33 <Rubidium> Pinchiukas: as described in the wiki: Click on an existing two-way signal to toggle it to a one-way signal. Click on it again to change its direction (leaving it one-way); the third time will revert it back to a two-way signal. 12:51:42 <Progman> eeeuh, without CTRL 12:51:42 <Wolf01> My buses, timetabled with autofill are all stuck together, trains wait at stations too much or start too early 12:52:04 <Pinchiukas> oh, ok thanks 12:52:11 *** ben_goodger_ [~ben@host217-44-220-18.range217-44.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:52:34 <Rubidium> timetables are useful when you want trains to take the same amount of time for each trip 12:52:36 *** ben_goodger_ [~ben@host217-44-220-18.range217-44.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 12:53:07 <Rubidium> you need to reset the lateness timer manually to get them initially separated 12:53:17 <Rubidium> after that they'll automatically keep separated 12:56:03 <Wolf01> I think timetable is another feature based on the game of some players, which doesn't fit other players game, like the transfer order which imho doesn't work at all but if you make the route in the only way it can work 12:57:27 <Rubidium> true 12:57:35 <Rubidium> but why do we have 11 bridges then? 12:57:43 <Rubidium> 1 type would be enough 12:57:55 <Rubidium> why do we have 4 rail types? 1 would also be enough 12:58:16 <dragonhorseboy> umm rubidium..how do you make electric engines not suddenly decide to run with no overhead wires? :p 12:58:21 <dragonhorseboy> and what about the few of us that likes to use NG? 12:59:06 <Rubidium> dragonhorseboy: by making sure that the train can actually take a path to it's destination that does have electrification all the way 12:59:37 <SmatZ> problematic can be two-way red signal if you use firstred_twoway_eol 12:59:46 <LA[afk]> hehe.. the trains could go by inertia :D 12:59:57 <Rubidium> if there isn't such a path it'll get into the 'take random junction until you find the destination. 13:00:07 <Pinchiukas> ok so if I have two tracks that could be used to leave a station, but if I only want to use one, I put a one-way signal on it (facing the station) and the trains will prefer it to the track with no signal? 13:00:58 <dragonhorseboy> rubidium...I'll rather prefer to be able to build one line with a mix of wire and no wire and just let the trains only have to know which station to stop at and not route-figuring-out 13:01:13 <dragonhorseboy> strangely enough I often do kinda the same thing with RT2 (and nope no waypoints used at all) 13:01:34 *** Hendikins [~wolfoxout@vg102.vodafone.com.au] has joined #openttd 13:01:38 <dragonhorseboy> my way of letting fast freight and express share one mainline but head to seperate end stations 13:02:35 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F54D1C.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 13:02:44 <dragonhorseboy> to our own of course :p 13:03:18 <Hendikins> Hrm, boring night at work tonight. 13:03:29 <Hendikins> I've only sold one ticket, but at least it is an expensive one 13:03:39 <LA[afk]> dragonhorseboy: Then electrifythe whole track.. Diesel and steam are able to run at it.. and just give out the proper orders 13:03:40 <Rubidium> there must be something fishy with either the signalling or the electrification if it does such a thing. Trains will not willfully take tracks where they don't have power on. 13:05:02 <dragonhorseboy> LA...nah when thats done the trains often take wrong legs at times 13:05:17 <dragonhorseboy> so there...the line's only partial wired and partial not wired for a reason 13:06:12 <dragonhorseboy> funny enough RT2 is a bit smarter tho...if it determines that the next station is not electrified the train refuses to leave the station its already sitting transparent at 13:06:56 <Rubidium> OTTD just gives you a news message that it can't reach the next ordered station and start driving randomly trying not to clog up the station 13:07:43 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 13:08:24 *** Zuu [~Zuu@213.113.60.54] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:09:06 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i59F54D1C.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:09:07 <dragonhorseboy> well it does clog up the line if its only a small network tho? 13:09:15 <dragonhorseboy> hence why I kinda like RT2's behaviour a bit better in this case 13:11:37 *** ben_goodger_ [~ben@host217-44-220-18.range217-44.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:14:17 *** ben_goodger_ [~ben@host217-44-220-18.range217-44.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 13:20:04 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@c-98-223-83-70.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 13:20:04 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest813 13:20:05 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 13:22:21 *** ben_goodger_ [~ben@host217-44-220-18.range217-44.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:24:02 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: glx * r13350 /trunk/src/rail_gui.cpp: -Fix: wrong tooltip for waypoint picker scrollbar 13:24:16 *** dragonhorseboy [~dragonhor@modemcable147.26-58-74.mc.videotron.ca] has left #openttd [] 13:24:55 <Pinchiukas> so if a train has a choice of a red signal and no signal at all, it chooses the path to the red signal? 13:25:47 <Rubidium> does "no signal" means absolutely no signal or signal in the opposite way? 13:25:52 *** ben_goodger_ [~ben@host217-44-220-18.range217-44.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 13:26:11 <Rubidium> in the former it'll take the path without signal, in the latter it'll way at the red signal 13:26:43 *** Guest813 [~Dale@c-98-223-83-70.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:28:13 *** k-man [~jason@ppp121-44-12-56.lns10.syd7.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:28:23 *** McHawk [~hawk@p5489C405.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:28:25 <Pinchiukas> Rubidium: oh, ok thanks :) 13:30:14 *** Osai is now known as Osai`off 13:31:21 *** lagann [~terminal@c-66-30-110-51.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:31:42 *** lagann [~terminal@c-66-30-110-51.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 13:36:26 <Sacro> Hereâs the first problem. The new KDE launcher is a gynecologist interface: There you are, sitting in front of a 20â³ screen, but the programmer has dictated that you have to do everything by poking around in a small box. 13:36:55 <Pinchiukas> but if I want say three trains leaving the station on one track, I still need to put a buttload of signals on the track? 13:37:55 <Progman> yes 13:38:04 <Rubidium> yes and no; the track needs quite a few signals, but you can place most of them automagically 13:38:16 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i59F54D1C.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 13:38:23 <Rubidium> just build the first one way signal pointing to the right direction 13:39:16 <Rubidium> then 'drag' that signal towards the direction you want the signals to be placed, press the CTRL key on your keyboard then 'end' the dragging by releasing the mouse button 13:39:25 <Rubidium> voila... signals build till the next junction 13:40:44 <Rubidium> this is *also* described in the same signal wiki page as the rest of the signalling stuff is described on 13:43:47 *** Osai`off is now known as Osai 13:45:02 *** LA[afk] is now known as LA 13:45:07 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F54D1C.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:45:29 *** Pinchiukas_ [~lox@212.122.90.186] has joined #openttd 13:45:54 *** Pinchiukas [~lox@212.122.90.186] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:50:08 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i59F54D1C.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 13:53:39 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@pool-71-98-94-202.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 13:53:40 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest819 13:53:40 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 13:55:14 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5BC56.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 13:55:47 *** Pinchiukas__ [~lox@212.122.90.186] has joined #openttd 13:56:56 *** Pinchiukas_ [~lox@212.122.90.186] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:58:13 *** Guest819 [~Dale@c-98-223-83-70.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:03:34 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:04:19 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has joined #openttd 14:21:50 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@82-169-234-175.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 14:21:55 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 14:24:58 *** Pinchiukas_ [~lox@212.122.90.186] has joined #openttd 14:25:49 *** Pinchiukas__ [~lox@212.122.90.186] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:29:48 *** Pinchiukas__ [~lox@212.122.90.186] has joined #openttd 14:29:48 *** Pinchiukas_ [~lox@212.122.90.186] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:33:21 *** LA_ [~questionm@pc14.host23.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 14:34:47 *** LA_ [~questionm@pc14.host23.starman.ee] has quit [] 14:34:55 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 14:40:13 *** Pinchiukas_ [~lox@212.122.90.186] has joined #openttd 14:40:27 *** LA [~questionm@ip235.cab20.ltln.starman.ee] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:40:44 *** shodan [~user@ppp101-219.static.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: Client Exiting] 14:41:14 *** LA [~questionm@pc14.host23.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 14:41:43 *** LA_ [~questionm@ip235.cab20.ltln.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 14:41:54 *** Pinchiukas__ [~lox@212.122.90.186] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:42:43 *** LA is now known as Guest825 14:42:43 *** LA_ is now known as LA 14:46:06 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-29-146.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 14:49:21 *** Guest825 [~questionm@pc14.host23.starman.ee] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:51:22 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 14:58:05 *** Pinchiukas__ [~lox@212.122.90.186] has joined #openttd 14:59:50 *** Pinchiukas_ [~lox@212.122.90.186] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:08:36 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: smatz * r13351 /trunk/ (6 files in 3 dirs): -Codechange: disable warnings about unused variable for builds without asserts 15:10:13 <LA> SmatZ: Can you give me the url to your fixed patvch for wwottdgd? 15:11:07 *** ben_goodger_ [~ben@host217-44-220-18.range217-44.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:11:29 *** ben_goodger_ [~ben@host217-44-220-18.range217-44.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 15:27:40 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CE40.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:34:41 <LA> How can I specify the revision text with bottd? 15:34:57 <LA> when I patch something, it still shows the trunk revision 15:34:58 <glx> modify rev.cpp.in in the patch 15:35:26 <glx> but bottd should at least show rXXXXM 15:35:49 <LA> hmm.. maybe it didn't get the patch then :D 15:35:59 <LA> coz it showed r13305 just 15:36:15 <LA> atm compiling again 15:36:26 <glx> means unpatched source or changes outside src 15:36:46 <LA> ye, I get that :) 15:37:01 <LA> It's a hell trouble compiling on windows actually :P 15:37:18 <LA> If I had interent connection in Linux, Id be ready ages ago 15:38:37 <LA> ok.. all good now :) 15:50:58 *** Pinchiukas_ [~lox@212.122.90.186] has joined #openttd 15:51:51 *** Pinchiukas__ [~lox@212.122.90.186] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:55:28 *** Pinchiukas__ [~lox@212.122.90.186] has joined #openttd 15:55:28 *** Pinchiukas_ [~lox@212.122.90.186] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:55:30 *** mikl [~mikl@0304ds2-ba.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 15:55:40 <planetmaker> ok, doesn't work :( 15:55:42 *** mikl [~mikl@0304ds2-ba.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [] 15:55:50 <planetmaker> wrong channel :( 15:59:24 <Nijn> ): 15:59:51 <Nijn> i felt like symphatizing with your pain. 16:00:03 <Touqen> :D 16:00:11 <Touqen> Laughing at your expense; 16:00:33 <Nijn> :o 16:07:01 *** Pinchiukas_ [~lox@212.122.90.186] has joined #openttd 16:07:02 *** Pinchiukas__ [~lox@212.122.90.186] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:11:44 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 16:14:24 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@resnet535.bournemouth.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 16:17:36 *** Pinchiukas__ [~lox@212.122.90.186] has joined #openttd 16:19:21 *** Pinchiukas_ [~lox@212.122.90.186] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:27:32 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl51B7A1DC.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 16:28:51 *** markmc^ [~me@1-1-1-19b.o.sth.bostream.se] has joined #openttd 16:28:52 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.223.195] has joined #openttd 16:29:59 *** blathijs [~matthijs@katherina.student.ipv6.utwente.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:31:35 *** Pinchiukas_ [~lox@212.122.90.186] has joined #openttd 16:31:35 *** Pinchiukas__ [~lox@212.122.90.186] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:32:01 *** markmc [~me@1-1-1-19b.o.sth.bostream.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:32:01 *** markmc^ is now known as markmc 16:34:59 *** markmc^ [~me@1-1-1-19b.o.sth.bostream.se] has joined #openttd 16:38:10 *** Zorni [zorn@e177228244.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 16:39:31 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 16:40:06 *** markmc [~me@1-1-1-19b.o.sth.bostream.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:41:48 *** MFH [~mfh@89.36.200.33] has quit [] 16:42:11 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@82-169-234-175.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:44:33 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:45:32 *** Zorn [zorn@e177237195.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:45:46 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r13352 /branches/0.6/ (7 files in 6 dirs): 16:45:46 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: [0.6] -Backport from trunk (r13348, r13222, r13221, r13217): 16:45:46 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: - Fix: Industry tiles would sometimes tell they need a 'level' slope when they do not want the slope (r13348) 16:45:46 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: - Fix: Attempts to make the old AI perform better (r13217, r13221, r13222) 16:56:13 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r13353 /tags/0.6.1/ (12 files in 4 dirs): -Release 0.6.1. 16:57:20 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@62.243.161.165] has joined #openttd 16:57:23 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 16:57:30 <dih> !B 16:57:44 <Eddi|zuHause> is this a late april's fools joke? 16:57:58 *** ProfFrink [~proffrink@5ad38373.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 16:58:17 <Eddi|zuHause> like, a june's fool? 16:58:39 <SpComb> Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd 16:58:39 <Bjarni> !logs 16:59:05 <Bjarni> Eddi|zuHause: you mean you can get the AI to perform worse? 16:59:35 <Eddi|zuHause> who talked about AI? 17:00:04 <Eddi|zuHause> no, i mean the line after that 17:00:46 <Bjarni> oh 17:00:58 <Bjarni> wait and see :P 17:01:00 <Eddi|zuHause> (and the previous line with a similar content, which was exactly 2 months ago) 17:01:06 * Bjarni imagines that Eddi|zuHause might wait for a while 17:01:18 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm on strike, you know 17:01:22 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5ad9159e.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:01:22 *** ProfFrink is now known as Prof_Frink 17:01:27 <Bjarni> you are? 17:01:32 <Bjarni> I call it fired 17:01:40 <dih> whats wrong with 0.6.1 release? 17:03:23 <Eddi|zuHause> Bjarni: yes, i will not play openttd until PBS is in ;) 17:03:49 <Bjarni> you will wait THAT many years??? 17:04:05 <dih> :-P 17:04:06 <Rubidium> YARTNAY 17:04:26 <dih> Bjarni: i made a bug report for you :-P 17:04:38 <Eddi|zuHause> that almost was a palindrome :p 17:06:00 *** Pinchiukas__ [~lox@212.122.90.186] has joined #openttd 17:06:14 <Rubidium> YARTRAY has a similar meaning as YARTNAY 17:06:52 *** Pinchiukas_ [~lox@212.122.90.186] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:07:23 <Eddi|zuHause> i still have no idea what it should mean 17:08:05 <Rubidium> yet another reason to (not add|rejection adding) yapp 17:09:46 <Rubidium> YAЯTRAY looks even better :) 17:10:01 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah ;) 17:10:27 <Eddi|zuHause> yay for the cyrillic messengers dropping the alphabet table :p 17:10:28 <dih> out of curiosity, what is the reason? 17:10:43 *** Boyinblue0 [~admin@5ac37ec6.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 17:11:46 <peter1138> YARTNAY? 17:12:15 <peter1138> the reason is we need 0.6.1 to get used ;) 17:12:51 <dih> seriously, is it not coded by the guideline, or what is the hinderance? 17:13:20 <dih> i am not arguing, just wanting to understand :-) 17:15:38 <peter1138> basically at the moment we're all busy do other stuff 17:15:51 <peter1138> be that other changes or real-life, etc 17:16:16 <dih> hehe ;-) 17:16:23 <Rubidium> big, *ultra* complex, did not like it when I tried it 17:16:27 <Dred_furst> Pikka just did an awesome job of making the original TTD trains be able to be refitted to newindustries 17:17:08 <dih> Rubidium: code or gaming wise? 17:17:14 <hylje> YRETERY 17:17:20 <dih> peter1138: is that not a constant situation :-P 17:17:23 <Rubidium> dih: game wise 17:17:26 <dih> k 17:18:21 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: why? it reduces the amount of (useful) signal types from 4 to 2 17:19:01 <dih> i am guessing it's to complex to setup a pbs area ;-) 17:19:04 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: because my big station's throughput became LOWER with YAPP signals 17:19:24 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: i have never actually seen your station 17:19:32 <Rubidium> it'd have gotten faster with simple TTDP-a-like PBS signals 17:20:26 <dih> where is the difference in the 2 Rubidium? 17:20:54 <peter1138> big differences, but for the better in most people's opinions 17:21:05 <Eddi|zuHause> my guess is if you get lower output, you probably have put a signal where you shouldn't have 17:21:25 <dih> i mean 17:21:42 <dih> where exactly is the difference in their approach? 17:21:55 <Eddi|zuHause> they don't allow trains going backwards 17:22:06 <dih> ttdp does not? 17:22:23 <Eddi|zuHause> only with doublesided signals 17:22:32 *** LiOn [~LiOn@p4FCEA28B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 17:22:36 <Eddi|zuHause> which imho causes more troubles than it solves 17:23:21 <peter1138> ttdp's pbs (and ottd's) and pre-signalling always had problems with two-way stations 17:23:36 <Eddi|zuHause> exactly 17:23:48 <peter1138> but i think ttdp got a new feaure to fix that 17:23:54 <Rubidium> dih: TTDP-PBS is more like: "don't care which exit it takes" and YAPP is more like "oh, that exit means that the route to the station is longer, so I'd better not use that exit AT ALL" 17:24:12 <dih> ah 17:24:16 <Rubidium> and then later... hmm, it's the only free exit, lets get a train to there 17:24:20 <dih> so a yapf inside the yapp 17:24:29 <Rubidium> it should've done it EARLIER 17:24:30 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: that is the point... there is no such thing as an "exit signal", totally remove those 17:25:05 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: then I get a 20-ish tile signal block leading to two platforms 17:25:25 <Rubidium> so the two platforms are only used like 25% of the time instead of 60-ish 17:25:25 <Eddi|zuHause> do you have a screenshot? 17:27:43 <Eddi|zuHause> but imho... ONE (rare special case) layout performing worse should not be a reason to not include yapp (because you can still do that one segment with traditional signals) 17:28:00 *** Pinchiukas_ [~lox@212.122.90.186] has joined #openttd 17:28:50 <Rubidium> it's kinda how I build all high capacity, litte space stations 17:29:05 <Eddi|zuHause> i still have never seen it! 17:29:29 *** Pinchiukas__ [~lox@212.122.90.186] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:29:41 <Pinchiukas_> ok now why do my trains go to the wrong service depot? 17:29:45 *** LiOn is now known as LiNo 17:30:02 <Pinchiukas_> I specify that they go to one in their schedule, and they go to another 17:30:30 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: can't find the pre-YAPP savegame, there's a YAPP savegame in the YAPP thread with the problem 17:30:36 <Rubidium> but no screenshot 17:31:36 <Eddi|zuHause> "Better handling of spread out stations like the example from Rubidium." <- whatt is this about then? 17:31:59 <Rubidium> that improved it, but AFAIK did not completely solve the issue 17:35:16 <Eddi|zuHause> of course i have no version 5 YAPP... 17:39:33 <Ammler> dear devs, it seems current nightly doesn't use server pw anymore 17:39:58 <Ammler> it is set with server_pw 17:40:04 <Ammler> but you can still login without 17:40:05 <dih> r13346 17:42:13 <SmatZ> hehe 17:42:47 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl51B7A1DC.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:46:38 <SpComb> Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd 17:46:38 <LiNo> !logs 17:49:08 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CE40.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:49:36 <Eddi|zuHause> i have no idea why, but svn access totally chokes every few kb i get... it's like this for several months now 17:50:29 <Eddi|zuHause> if i do "svn up" i get a random amount of 2 to 10 files, and then nothing for 5 minutes 17:50:37 <Eddi|zuHause> then it suddenly decides to continue 17:50:49 *** Boyinblue0 [~admin@5ac37ec6.bb.sky.com] has quit [] 17:50:51 <Eddi|zuHause> and this is the only svn server that shows this behaviour 17:51:15 <peter1138> works fine for me 17:51:15 <Rubidium> odd 17:51:36 <Rubidium> though svn really fails in magic ways when the internet connection isn't 100% fine 17:51:47 <Rubidium> i.e. it goes haywire when packets get lost any such 17:52:03 <peter1138> personally i set up svn over http 17:52:52 <peter1138> 'zero ballistics' really is wank 17:53:01 <Eddi|zuHause> well, this only shows with the openttd svn, and my internet connection is nowhere near full 17:55:57 <glx> @op 17:56:00 *** mode/#openttd [+o glx] by DorpsGek 17:56:10 *** glx changed the topic of #openttd to: 0.6.1 | Website: *.openttd.org (DevBlog: blog, Translator: translator2, Gameservers: servers, Nightly-builds: nightly, NightlyArchive: archive, WIKI: wiki, SVN mailinglist: maillist, Dev-docs: docs, Patches & Bug-reports: bugs) | #openttd.notice for FS + SVN notices | UTF-8 please | No Unauthorised Bots | English Only | http://bugs.openttd.org/ for all related bugs/patches 17:56:19 <glx> @deop 17:56:22 *** mode/#openttd [-o glx] by DorpsGek 17:59:09 <orudge> how exciting. 17:59:13 <orudge> hmm 17:59:23 * orudge shall probably have to install Virtual PC on XP on his Mac now to compile OS/2 17:59:31 <orudge> as OS/2 doesn't seem to want to boot in VPC2007 or VMWare on my main PC 18:00:28 *** LiNo [~LiOn@p4FCEA28B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: oO] 18:00:53 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl51B7A1DC.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 18:01:18 <Bjarni> heh 18:02:19 <Bjarni> but I guess that problem is nothing against what problems VPC could produce when emulating an x86 on PPC hardware 18:02:41 <Pinchiukas_> can somebody look at my saved game and tell me why do my trains get lost all the time? 18:02:50 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@62.243.161.165] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:05:03 <Mchl> Rubidium: there's typo in 0.6.1 announcment. last line 18:05:17 *** Pinchiukas__ [~lox@212.122.90.186] has joined #openttd 18:06:43 <Mchl> hmmm... or maybe that's just alternative spelling 18:06:47 *** Pinchiukas_ [~lox@212.122.90.186] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:06:59 <Mchl> I'm used to 'therefore' 18:07:39 <ben_goodger_> no, it's incorrect 18:09:08 *** Pinchiukas_ [~lox@212.122.90.186] has joined #openttd 18:10:59 *** Pinchiukas__ [~lox@212.122.90.186] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:13:32 *** mikl [~mikl@0304ds2-ba.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 18:18:01 *** Pinchiukas__ [~lox@212.122.90.186] has joined #openttd 18:19:50 *** Pinchiukas_ [~lox@212.122.90.186] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:20:56 *** LA is now known as LordAzamath 18:26:10 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@p5499D834.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: dR3x4cK] 18:27:23 *** LordAzamath is now known as LA 18:31:06 *** Roujin [~Roujin@p5497349B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 18:31:06 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d000f3d.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:31:34 <Roujin> cheers 18:31:39 <Wolf01> hi 18:31:49 <Roujin> yay, 0.6.1 time :) 18:32:15 *** mikl [~mikl@0304ds2-ba.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Quit: Linkinus is updating...] 18:32:18 <Wolf01> I'm waiting for the topic on the forum to post the news on my site :P 18:32:33 <Pinchiukas__> can somebody look at my saved game and tell me why do my trains get lost all the time? 18:32:37 *** mikl [~mikl@0304ds2-ba.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 18:32:41 <Roujin> oh btw: wiki article 0.6.1 says: "This version was released on a time in the future." 18:32:51 <Pinchiukas__> :) 18:34:43 *** LA [~questionm@ip235.cab20.ltln.starman.ee] has quit [Quit: ReconnectingâŠ] 18:34:49 *** LA [~dihedral_@ip235.cab20.ltln.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 18:35:39 * Prof_Frink gets in his TARDIS 18:35:59 * Prof_Frink goes to The Library 18:36:43 <Eddi|zuHause> *Prof_Frink has been saved* 18:37:00 <Prof_Frink> Nah, i'm cunning 18:37:07 *** LA [~dihedral_@ip235.cab20.ltln.starman.ee] has quit [] 18:37:25 <Prof_Frink> I've gone one of those 1M candle power torches 18:37:35 *** LA [~dihedral_@pc14.host23.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 18:37:36 *** mikl [~mikl@0304ds2-ba.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [] 18:37:58 *** mikl [~mikl@0304ds2-ba.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 18:39:32 *** LA_ [~lord@ip235.cab20.ltln.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 18:40:52 *** LA is now known as Guest852 18:40:52 *** LA_ is now known as LA 18:44:12 *** [com]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has joined #openttd 18:47:06 *** Guest852 [~dihedral_@pc14.host23.starman.ee] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:47:23 *** ben_goodger_ [~ben@host217-44-220-18.range217-44.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:48:11 *** Roujin [~Roujin@p5497349B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:50:47 *** Osai is now known as Osai`off 18:51:37 *** Osai`off is now known as Osai 18:52:52 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@c-98-223-83-70.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 18:52:52 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest855 18:52:53 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 18:55:33 *** LA is now known as LordAzamath 18:58:03 *** Guest855 [~Dale@pool-71-98-94-202.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:01:03 *** Lex [~lex@70.188-233-85.staticip.namesco.net] has joined #openttd 19:01:56 *** Lex [~lex@70.188-233-85.staticip.namesco.net] has left #openttd [] 19:07:51 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-173-003.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: und weg] 19:09:49 <Pinchiukas__> can somebody look at my saved game and tell me why do my trains get lost all the time? 19:11:53 <Eddi|zuHause> have you ever actually provided a savegame? 19:12:20 *** LordAzamath [~lord@ip235.cab20.ltln.starman.ee] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.82.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.14/2008040413]] 19:20:00 *** [com]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has quit [Quit: train to catch] 19:20:26 *** Backeman [~jens@h170n1fls32o847.telia.com] has joined #openttd 19:20:57 <Backeman> Hi! Are you allowed to discuss gamplay-tips in here? 19:21:19 <Progman> sure 19:21:49 <Backeman> Are there any good tips on how to make a smooth crossing where you from two tracks to one with trains? 19:23:19 <Eddi|zuHause> try the openttdcoop wiki 19:23:42 <Eddi|zuHause> they have some very extensive explanations on track layout 19:24:45 <Backeman> à checked the wiki and it has very nice drawings of ordinary crossings. What I want is if there is any smart way to go from two tracks inot one (which render a taffic-queues). 19:25:01 <Backeman> btw, openttdcoop-wiki? 19:27:25 *** Pinchiukas_ [~lox@212.122.90.186] has joined #openttd 19:28:06 <Progman> http://openttdcoop.ppcis.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page 19:29:15 *** Pinchiukas__ [~lox@212.122.90.186] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:33:54 *** Osai is now known as Osai`off 19:35:17 *** Osai`off is now known as Osai 19:36:20 <Backeman> thanks, I'll bookmark that one for sure! ;) 19:37:08 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: smatz * r13354 /trunk/src/blitter/8bpp_optimized.cpp: -Codechange: make 8bpp_optimized blitter ~25% faster in encoding and ~15% faster in drawing (depends on architecture) 19:41:00 *** krix [~krics@fibhost-9-132.fibernet.bacs-net.hu] has joined #openttd 19:41:04 <krix> hey 19:41:24 *** Pikka [~PikkaBird@CPE-58-165-98-32.qld.bigpond.net.au] has quit [] 19:41:48 <krix> just a dumb question, maybe i did not read every docs :) If i build openttd with --enable-dedicated then i got _only_ server binary ? Or i got client binary which can serve as a dedicated server ? 19:42:04 <krix> (i'm trying to package ottd thats why i'm asking) 19:43:04 <SmatZ> you will be able to run only dedicated server 19:43:11 <krix> hmm 19:43:16 <SmatZ> normal client can run dedicated server, too 19:43:21 <krix> ah 19:43:30 <krix> thx thats what i wanted to figure out :) 19:43:35 <SmatZ> openttd -D 19:44:07 <krix> and if i'm not thinking wrong, --enable-dedicated need less library depends than 'normal' compile ? (i mean less lib deps for binary?) 19:44:19 <krix> well i can figure it out with ldd tho 19:44:20 <krix> :D 19:44:51 <SmatZ> yes 19:44:59 <SmatZ> you don't need for example SDL 19:45:16 <krix> okay. ty 19:45:22 <SmatZ> you are welcome 19:46:45 <krix> maybe its a good idea to integrate some '--build-server-tooo' option for configure things ? Because if i want to package for a distro then i need to do it 'twice' :) or well not just me. 19:46:57 <krix> and maybe if its a dedicated only server then other binary name should be great 19:47:31 <krix> (or maybe not a good idea :p ) 19:48:14 <SmatZ> I think it is fine that a normal build can run a server - the added code for that is minimal 19:48:27 <SmatZ> two binary names could be confusing... 19:48:39 <SmatZ> I would sat 19:48:41 <SmatZ> y+ 19:49:08 *** Pinchiukas_ [~lox@212.122.90.186] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:49:24 *** Pinchiukas_ [~lox@212.122.90.186] has joined #openttd 19:49:33 <krix> yes maybe, but the default build gives client/server type binary so it can be openttd. But when you select --enable-dedicated you can only run dedicated server and that binary could not act like a client. 19:49:38 <krix> thats confusing i think :) 19:49:49 <Prof_Frink> It's not that hard to do make dedicated && mv openttd openttd_dedicated 19:50:00 <krix> i know its not hard 19:50:13 <krix> this is about 'just make a little more packager-friendly-thingy :) 19:52:47 *** markmc^ [~me@1-1-1-19b.o.sth.bostream.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:53:53 *** planetmaker is now known as planetmaker|away 19:55:25 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm pretty sure i asked that before, but what is the sense of town_cmd.cpp:1012? 19:55:45 <Eddi|zuHause> when a town tries to build a road, it unconditionally flattens the land 19:56:05 <Eddi|zuHause> while a town would look much more organic when it would try to build on the slope instead 19:57:08 <Eddi|zuHause> it could be made like in town_cmd.cpp:1133, where it is guarded by a "if (Chance16(1, 6))" 19:58:42 *** tokai|ni [~tokai@p54B810FD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:00:31 *** tokai|ni [~tokai@p54B81555.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 20:01:56 *** Hendikins [~wolfoxout@vg102.vodafone.com.au] has quit [Quit: Any quit message, not matter how short, is a smart arse comment to those left behind] 20:02:25 <Eddi|zuHause> even worse, it does this before even deciding if it can possibly build a road on this tile 20:03:28 *** Roujin [~Roujin@p5497349B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 20:04:06 *** Hendikins|SRA412 is now known as Hendikins 20:06:59 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 20:07:16 <Mchl> yeah... it looks somewhat strange, that towns grow 'tentacles' instead of adapting to whatever terrain they're on 20:08:29 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 20:08:32 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 20:09:04 *** Roujin [~Roujin@p5497349B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- *I* use it, so it must be good!] 20:24:49 *** McHawk [~hawk@p5489C86D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:28:00 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@c-98-223-83-70.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 20:28:00 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest869 20:28:00 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 20:32:11 *** Micke- [magic.powe@90-230-201-111-no37.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 20:33:30 *** Pinchiukas_ [~lox@212.122.90.186] has quit [Quit: pwnt] 20:35:12 *** Guest869 [~Dale@c-98-223-83-70.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:37:37 *** Aerandir [magic.powe@90-230-201-111-no37.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:37:37 *** Micke- is now known as Aerandir 20:38:38 *** mikl [~mikl@0304ds2-ba.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Quit: mikl] 20:43:44 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl51B7A1DC.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:45:46 <Eddi|zuHause> # All I ever wanted 20:45:46 <Eddi|zuHause> # All I ever needed 20:45:46 <Eddi|zuHause> # Is here in my arms 20:45:46 <Eddi|zuHause> # Words are very unnecessary 20:45:46 <Eddi|zuHause> # They can only do harm 20:46:26 *** blathijs [~matthijs@katherina.student.ipv6.utwente.nl] has joined #openttd 20:57:39 *** markmc [~me@h173n1fls304o1036.telia.com] has joined #openttd 20:57:44 *** krix [~krics@fibhost-9-132.fibernet.bacs-net.hu] has left #openttd [Leaving] 21:02:45 *** Nijn [~Roland@a80-127-25-50.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: In the beginning, the universe was created. 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