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[~admin@5ac37ec1.bb.sky.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:32:04 <dih> why on earth are people not capable of accepting the lead of the developers 08:32:06 <dih> seriously 08:32:39 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.212.78] has joined #openttd 08:33:05 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-88-79.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 08:33:12 <blathijs> dih: Referencing anything in particular? 08:37:02 *** Boyinblue00 [~admin@5ac37ec1.bb.sky.com] has quit [] 08:37:04 <dih> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=697721#p697721 08:37:21 *** gousty [gousty@silenceisdefeat.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:37:41 <dih> i do not understand why players cannot accept the lead! 08:39:27 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.178.197] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:40:30 <blathijs> dih: But we wants so bad! :-p 08:40:42 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.219.110] has joined #openttd 08:45:32 <peter1138> i'm not totally against the concept if it can be done properly 08:46:46 <dih> peter1138: my point being, that users should follow the lead the developers lay down for the project! 08:47:27 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.212.78] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:48:40 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.195.132] has joined #openttd 08:54:02 <TiberiusTeng> or fork & branch & maintain & catching up ... the beauty of free software :p 08:54:35 <TiberiusTeng> but merely version bumping those patches made me crazy 08:55:32 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.219.110] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:56:26 <planetmaker> ^hehe :) 08:57:38 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.204.71] has joined #openttd 08:59:25 <TiberiusTeng> and I wish someday I'll clean OpenGL blitter enough to be considered merging into trunk ;-p 09:01:49 <planetmaker> to me that sounds like a looooong path ahead of you 09:02:01 <planetmaker> have strength and endurance :) 09:02:07 <blathijs> TiberiusTeng: You should probably start by trying to isolate different parts of it 09:02:13 <dih> then do it, but dont start whining around when it's not included! 09:02:22 <peter1138> one big problem with mine is the direct hooks in the sdl video driver 09:02:30 <peter1138> and the bugs :D 09:02:36 <TiberiusTeng> blathijs, I'm planning to do that 09:02:37 <blathijs> TiberiusTeng: eg, cleanups and small api changes that can be included independently 09:02:43 <peter1138> (world generation throws it) 09:02:59 <TiberiusTeng> mine even takes small screenshot correctly (?) 09:03:31 <TiberiusTeng> the problem is, OpenGL has to be initialized together with windowing system 09:03:46 <TiberiusTeng> so I think I'll make win32gl driver + opengl blitter 09:04:12 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.195.132] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:04:57 <blathijs> TiberiusTeng: Is that different from other blitters? I guess that other blitters need to do some SDL setup as well? 09:05:14 <blathijs> Or can they just do that after the sdl driver has set up other stuff? 09:05:23 <TiberiusTeng> and I need some hooks from scriptcache, e.g. calling blitter to release encoded sprite, not freeing them itself 09:05:41 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.211.234] has joined #openttd 09:05:43 <TiberiusTeng> other (current) blitters just need a plain bitmap framebuffer, nothing more 09:06:19 <TiberiusTeng> so I think they don't need special help from drivers, and can be used with any (current) driver 09:09:39 <TiberiusTeng> on the other hand, if there's drivers for other platforms that do OpenGL initialization, then I think opengl blitter will happily work with them ... 09:10:14 <TiberiusTeng> but honestly I haven't dig into the SDL + OpenGL threading problem that peter1138 encountered 09:11:07 <blathijs> not dug into meaning you haven't encountered it, or haven't tried to solve it yet? :-) 09:12:27 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.204.71] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:13:21 *** divo [~asd@x1-6-00-18-39-d3-e9-f6.k899.webspeed.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:13:59 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.219.184] has joined #openttd 09:16:54 <TiberiusTeng> I didn't encountered it ... 09:17:10 <TiberiusTeng> because I didn't use SDL as display backend 09:17:30 <TiberiusTeng> I'm modifying win32 driver, adding wgl calls to create OpenGL environment 09:20:27 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.211.234] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:22:07 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.179.152] has joined #openttd 09:22:13 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@e090.tum.vpn.lrz-muenchen.de] has joined #openttd 09:28:02 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.219.184] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:29:47 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.175.56] has joined #openttd 09:29:48 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.179.152] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:32:37 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 09:34:34 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 09:37:08 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@e090.tum.vpn.lrz-muenchen.de] has quit [Quit: dR3x4cK] 09:37:08 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.175.56] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:37:28 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.165.125] has joined #openttd 09:46:33 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.221.218] has joined #openttd 09:53:02 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.165.125] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:54:05 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.198.137] has joined #openttd 10:00:37 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.221.218] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:04:11 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.207.164] has joined #openttd 10:08:52 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.198.137] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:10:17 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.216.42] has joined #openttd 10:16:27 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.207.164] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:16:27 *** Arie- [asdfsadf@villabadmuts.adsl.utwente.nl] has joined #openttd 10:16:54 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:18:30 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.193.94] has joined #openttd 10:19:38 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-108-124.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 10:22:35 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl51B78864.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 10:25:07 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.216.42] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:25:33 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 10:26:44 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.204.155] has joined #openttd 10:26:55 <dih> trallalla 10:29:55 <blathijs> didilididi 10:30:22 <Rubidium> trom te pom 10:30:36 <dih> tÃŒdeldÃŒ 10:32:32 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.193.94] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:34:34 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.214.26] has joined #openttd 10:34:55 <peter1138> TiberiusTeng: it was nothing to do with sdl 10:35:33 <TiberiusTeng> hmm?! 10:36:17 <TiberiusTeng> can you describe it in more detail? perhaps I'll stumble by it later ... 10:40:37 <Eddi|zuHause2> Mi Lei Long Di Do Di DelÃŒ 10:41:32 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.204.155] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:42:45 <dih> lol @ Eddi 10:43:01 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.223.195] has joined #openttd 10:43:09 <Eddi|zuHause2> (http://www.myvideo.de/watch/2507569/Switch_Tik_Tak_Toh_Los_hilf_mich) 10:45:27 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-108-124.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: und weg] 10:48:42 *** tokai|ni [~tokai@p54B81FD8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:49:22 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.214.26] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:49:25 <Pikka> Belugas Belugas Belugas 10:49:52 <Eddi|zuHause2> i don't think he is awake yet 10:50:48 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.202.129] has joined #openttd 10:50:51 <Pikka> no.. but hopefully he'll notice when he is 10:51:27 *** tokai|ni [~tokai@p54B812A0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 10:52:09 <dih> Pikka: you little nagger :-P 10:53:42 *** ecke1 [~ecke@213.195.231.53] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:54:06 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:54:24 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 10:55:45 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.230.1] has joined #openttd 10:57:47 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.223.195] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:59:07 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.213.111] has joined #openttd 11:03:28 <ln> was wird mit Lost passieren? imdb kennt nicht mehrere Episoden fÃŒr Season 4. 11:05:37 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.202.129] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:07:03 <Rubidium> writers strike... 11:08:47 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.230.1] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:09:38 <Eddi|zuHause2> they had to cut down the season from 16 to 14 episodes, but instead the two next seasons will be 17 instead of 16 episodes 11:10:47 <ln> but the previous ones were like ~22..24 episodes? 11:11:12 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 11:11:12 <Eddi|zuHause2> yes, they agreed on a fixed number of episodes to plan a definite end 11:11:26 <Eddi|zuHause2> and that agreement was 3 seasons à 16 episodes 11:11:32 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [] 11:14:36 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 11:15:39 <ln> hmm, so will there be what, 5 or 6 seasons total? 11:16:22 <Rubidium> rather at least that many 11:16:41 <Rubidium> they might make a new agreement when the old one has finished for more seasons 11:17:57 <Eddi|zuHause2> i don't think they will extend it 11:18:16 *** peter1138 changed the topic of #openttd to: 0.6.1 | Website: *.openttd.org (DevBlog: blog, Translator: translator2, Gameservers: servers, Nightly-builds: nightly, NightlyArchive: archive, WIKI: wiki, SVN mailinglist: maillist, Dev-docs: docs, Patches & Bug-reports: bugs) | #openttd.notice for FS + SVN notices | UTF-8 please | No Unauthorised Bots | English Only | http://bugs.openttd.org/ for all related bugs/patches | No Lost talk 11:19:50 * Rubidium wonders what happens when somebody who's Lost in the code comes in and asks questions... 11:20:13 <peter1138> they'd be lost in the code, not Lost in the code 11:20:45 <Rubidium> Lost keys are an issue I've had to deal with a long time ago... quite annoying 11:21:11 *** peter1138 changed the topic of #openttd to: 0.6.1 | Website: *.openttd.org (DevBlog: blog, Translator: translator2, Gameservers: servers, Nightly-builds: nightly, NightlyArchive: archive, WIKI: wiki, SVN mailinglist: maillist, Dev-docs: docs, Patches & Bug-reports: bugs) | #openttd.notice for FS + SVN notices | UTF-8 please | No Unauthorised Bots | English Only | http://bugs.openttd.org/ for all related bugs/patches | No TV progra 11:21:14 <Rubidium> hmm, must be too bored (never bored enough to ponder watching Lost though) 11:21:17 *** peter1138 changed the topic of #openttd to: 0.6.1 | Website: *.openttd.org (DevBlog: blog, Translator: translator2, Gameservers: servers, Nightly-builds: nightly, NightlyArchive: archive, WIKI: wiki, SVN mailinglist: maillist, Dev-docs: docs, Patches & Bug-reports: bugs) | #openttd.notice for FS + SVN notices | UTF-8 please | No Unauthorised Bots | English Only | http://bugs.openttd.org/ for all related bugs/patches | No TV talk 11:21:23 *** peter1138 changed the topic of #openttd to: 0.6.1 | Website: *.openttd.org (DevBlog: blog, Translator: translator2, Gameservers: servers, Nightly-builds: nightly, NightlyArchive: archive, WIKI: wiki, SVN mailinglist: maillist, Dev-docs: docs, Patches & Bug-reports: bugs) | #openttd.notice for FS + SVN notices | UTF-8 please | No Unauthorised Bots | English Only | http://bugs.openttd.org/ for all related bugs/patches | No TV talk 11:21:29 <peter1138> hm, lagged 11:22:13 <ln> is TGV ok if TV is not? 11:23:13 <Eddi|zuHause2> what TV? i thought this was broadcast over tha intartubes! 11:23:43 *** peter1138 changed the topic of #openttd to: 0.6.1 | Website: *.openttd.org (DevBlog: blog, Translator: translator2, Gameservers: servers, Nightly-builds: nightly, NightlyArchive: archive, WIKI: wiki, SVN mailinglist: maillist, Dev-docs: docs, Patches & Bug-reports: bugs) | #openttd.notice for FS + SVN notices | UTF-8 please | No Unauthorised Bots | English Only | http://bugs.openttd.org/ for all related bugs/patches | No idiots 11:24:02 <Eddi|zuHause2> no /topic talk! :p 11:24:20 <ln> ur right 11:24:49 <iAN_> !servers 11:24:57 <iAN_> servers 11:25:06 <peter1138> ... http://servers.openttd.org/ 11:25:21 <iAN_> aaaah!! that are subdomains 11:26:00 <Eddi|zuHause2> yeah... *.openttd.org --> insert [item from list] for * 11:26:06 <Rubidium> openttd.org/servers.php 11:26:40 <ln> peter1138: do you think always writing "ur" is the perfect solution for the confusion between "your" and "you're"? 11:26:41 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 11:26:55 *** mode/#openttd [+b *!*lanurm@*.utu.fi] by peter1138 11:26:55 *** ln was kicked from #openttd by peter1138 [wtf?] 11:27:22 *** mode/#openttd [-b *!*lanurm@*.utu.fi] by peter1138 11:27:24 <Eddi|zuHause2> First Blood! 11:27:34 <iAN_> which confusion? 11:27:48 *** ln [~lanurm@castor.utu.fi] has joined #openttd 11:28:23 <iAN_> In: Do you think always writing peapples is the perfect solution for the confusion between pears and apples? 11:28:51 <ln> iAN_: please switch to another font. 11:28:52 <Eddi|zuHause2> for highlighting it might be helpful to spell the name correctly 11:29:06 <iAN_> I don't use any fonts 11:29:14 <iAN_> I use regular IRC without any fonts 11:29:30 <Eddi|zuHause2> whatever you use, it's the wrong one ;) 11:29:33 <ln> iAN_: using some braille screen for blind people? 11:29:59 <iAN_> bold italic underline is all I can use 11:30:21 <Eddi|zuHause2> but you can't tell the difference between I and l 11:30:21 <ln> lI1 11:32:03 <Ammler> has there something changed with server_advertise? (r13374) 11:32:16 <peter1138> -there 11:33:51 <iAN_> so, you meant you are ln not IN 11:34:02 <ln> correcto 11:45:36 <Eddi|zuHause2> miniln ;) 11:52:10 <Ammler> Now, I don't wonder anymore, why there are no newer nightly servers in the serverlist. ;-) 11:52:43 <Gekz> I want to play ottd on a braille monitor 11:54:59 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.203] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:57:12 <iAN_> Ammler: why? 11:57:46 <Ammler> because it doesn't work since some revs. 11:57:51 *** yorick [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 11:58:30 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.203] has joined #openttd 11:58:38 <iAN_> I have the feeling that the new grf parts don't display the correct used grfs too 12:10:35 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 12:14:27 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:14:27 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 12:18:50 <Rubidium> booh.. slashdot's not working 12:18:56 <Rubidium> the world has ended... 12:19:56 <Rubidium> Ammler: advertising 'just' works -> http://www.openttd.org/server_detail.php?id=22439 12:20:05 <SpComb> someone broke slashdot :o 12:21:40 *** Slowpoke_ [~Lobster@dslb-088-073-244-137.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 12:27:18 <Ammler> Rubidium: also with last nightly? 12:27:39 <Ammler> latest 12:28:22 <SmatZ> Ammler: it was fixed in r13433 12:28:47 *** Slowpoke [~Lobster@dslb-088-073-241-050.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:29:22 <SmatZ> hmm commits are not displayed here 12:29:46 <Ammler> sometimes CIA needs a day for it :-) 12:29:52 <SmatZ> :-) 12:30:08 <SmatZ> today's nightly should work 12:37:52 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 12:38:12 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 12:38:15 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:43:11 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host217-44-220-18.range217-44.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 12:52:25 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 12:55:13 <Pikka> but still no belugas! :P 12:56:03 <peter1138> none at all 12:57:14 <Pikka> it is a shame 12:57:30 <Pikka> I wanted him to code another var for me 12:58:14 <Pikka> a long date equivalent of B0 Date when industry was built in days since 1920 12:58:36 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: truebrain * r13431 /branches/noai/src/ (console_cmds.cpp settings.cpp): 12:58:36 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: [NoAI] -Fix: AIs in multiplayer is no longer an experimental thing 12:58:36 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: [NoAI] -Fix: start_ai now reports nicer errors when it fails 12:58:37 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:58:37 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 12:58:44 <glx> Pikka: wait a little :) 12:58:55 <glx> he should arrive soon 12:59:00 * Pikka waits 12:59:06 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-120-111-117.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:04:19 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-120-111-117.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 13:11:22 *** Volley [~worf@84.119.44.207] has joined #openttd 13:14:51 <Belugas> and indeed, here i am! 13:15:04 <Belugas> and i've spoken to the man already 13:15:09 <Belugas> the Pikka one 13:15:11 <Belugas> of course 13:15:22 <peter1138> pikka's a man? 13:15:30 <peter1138> i thought he was a coding drawing machine 13:16:42 <Pikka> with a terrible cold 13:16:55 <Belugas> impressions can be deceiving :) 13:27:24 *** thejanitor [~chatzilla@82-43-229-20.cable.ubr01.pres.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 13:27:26 * ben_goodger gives pikka some ravioli 13:27:33 <Pikka> thankyou 13:27:35 <Pikka> and goodnight 13:27:38 *** Pikka [~PikkaBird@CPE-58-165-98-32.qld.bigpond.net.au] has quit [] 13:27:51 <thejanitor> Hey my buildottd doesnt seem to be worker 13:28:52 *** Noldo [vheino@jumi.lut.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:28:53 <thejanitor> "index was out of range. Must be non-negative and less than the size of the collection. " 13:29:02 <thejanitor> and it just sits there with the bar scrolling 13:32:45 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host217-44-220-18.range217-44.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 13:36:10 *** Noldo [vheino@jumi.lut.fi] has joined #openttd 13:42:35 *** M4rk is now known as Mark__ 13:51:59 <Eddi|zuHause2> there should be an appropriate thread on the forums for bottd problems 14:02:01 *** raimar2 [~hawk@p5489C690.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:04:05 *** bowman [johanf@81-226-229-179-no59.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 14:07:04 *** McHawk [~hawk@p5489E2CE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:09:07 *** Poopsmith [~Poopsmith@39.206.55.210.dynamic.snap.net.nz] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:21:17 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@adsl-58.36.Static.ssp.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:22:40 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B470.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:22:45 *** shodan [~user@ppp101-219.static.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: Client Exiting] 14:28:59 *** TiberiusTeng [Tiberius@140.120.15.14] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:30:55 *** thejanitor [~chatzilla@82-43-229-20.cable.ubr01.pres.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.82.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.14/2008040413]] 14:35:14 *** NukeBuster [~NukeBuste@80.101.115.82] has joined #openttd 14:41:14 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: truebrain * r13432 /branches/noai/src/players.cpp: [NoAI] -Fix r13290: in case of a network-client, AI_StartNewAI() should never be called 14:42:34 *** Amis [~IceChat7@dsl51B6554C.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 14:42:38 <Amis> hi all 14:42:42 <iAN_> Hi Amis 14:42:46 <Amis> i have a quick question 14:42:53 <Amis> what does Ctrl+G do? 14:43:08 <peter1138> giant screenshot 14:43:11 <Amis> oh... 14:43:14 <iAN_> it enables the grid in PaintShopPro V7.2 14:43:27 <Amis> thats why my game stopped working and cpu was on 100% 14:43:39 <Amis> than, how do i turn off grid? 14:43:50 <Belugas> grid? 14:43:55 <iAN_> *fg* 14:44:08 <Amis> the grid... the lines between the squares 14:44:14 <Belugas> you can't :) 14:44:19 <Amis> really? 14:44:27 <Amis> i could turn it off before (long time ago) 14:44:38 <Belugas> the ground sprites are drawn with it 14:44:44 <iAN_> I think I have "no grid" in my games too 14:44:50 <Belugas> you NEVER could do that before 14:44:57 <Amis> i COULD 14:45:01 <Amis> maybe that wasnt openttd 14:45:06 <Belugas> unless you had ground sprites withouth the lines 14:45:06 <iAN_> Belugas: I don't see a "grid" in my games (?!) 14:45:12 <Belugas> that is the only way 14:45:15 <Sacro> it's a newgrf 14:45:21 <iAN_> ah! see 14:45:27 * Belugas nodes at Sacro 14:45:30 <Belugas> -e 14:45:46 <Amis> to where it saved that "giant screenshot"? 14:45:53 <glx> put it in the [newgrf-static] section to use it online 14:46:01 <Eddi|zuHause2> ~/.openttd 14:46:12 <glx> Amis: same as other screenshots 14:46:20 <Amis> hmmm 14:46:21 <glx> where is openttd.cfg 14:46:25 <Amis> than it didnt do any? 14:46:26 <Eddi|zuHause2> or My Games\Openttd 14:46:44 <glx> not My Games ;) 14:46:47 <glx> My Docs 14:46:54 <Eddi|zuHause2> whatever :p 14:46:59 <Amis> OO 14:47:02 <Amis> 112MB??? 14:47:05 <Amis> holy lol 14:47:10 <peter1138> well it is giant 14:47:30 <glx> you have a big amount of ram or it's a small map 14:47:33 <Amis> now i really now why cpu was on 100% 14:47:38 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d000238.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 14:48:30 <Amis> any idea on with what i can open tha screenshot? :D 14:48:36 <Amis> i mean 14:48:40 <Amis> because of its size 14:48:44 <Amis> not extension 14:48:47 <glx> good luck :) 14:48:54 <Amis> ~~ 14:49:12 <Ammler> Amis: is it a PNG? 14:49:14 <glx> you may need to use an image splitter first 14:49:33 <Amis> and 14:49:46 <Eddi|zuHause2> most viewing programs tend to try to unpack the whole picture in memory 14:49:46 <iAN_> whatfor did you make the screenshot? 14:49:55 <Amis> does x64 version exist? 14:50:30 <Amis> iAN_: for nothing, but i was curios what can handle this file size :) 14:50:56 <iAN_> PaintShopPro can 14:51:20 *** Touqen [~stephen@c-98-216-253-146.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:52:08 <Eddi|zuHause2> an unpacked image of a 2048x2048 map is likely bigger than the RAM of most PCs 14:52:35 <iAN_> thats why swap-space is for 14:52:50 <Amis> hmmm photoshop could open it :) 14:52:52 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: truebrain * r13435 /branches/noai/src/players.cpp: [NoAI] -Fix r13432: still the statements were wrong ... 3rd time is the charm :) 14:52:59 <blathijs> I think gimp handles large images as well 14:53:16 <Eddi|zuHause2> iAN_: then there is still the address space barrier ;) 14:54:13 <Eddi|zuHause2> CIA-3 is not very reliable today, it appears 14:54:39 <iAN_> is there a difference between "build on slopes" and "build on steep slopes" ? 14:55:04 <planetmaker> what's a steep slope? 14:56:32 *** Touqen [~stephen@c-98-216-253-146.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 14:56:40 <SmatZ> steep slopes are really steep 14:56:52 <SmatZ> height difference between lowest and highest point is 2 14:57:04 <SmatZ> foundation on it can't be flattening 14:57:31 <SmatZ> docs/tileh.png 14:57:34 *** mikl [~mikl@host-n133-18.homerun.telia.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 14:58:12 <SmatZ> planetmaker: http://git.openttd.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=svn/trunk.git;a=blob_plain;f=docs/tileh.png;hb=HEAD tiles 23,27,29,30 14:59:59 <planetmaker> ah, right. diagonal :) 15:00:24 <iAN_> hrmm.. didn't that always work? to built on those slopes? 15:00:47 <SmatZ> no 15:01:07 <planetmaker> didn't think of those :) Thx. 15:01:35 <SmatZ> in 0.4.8, you couldn't build on steep slopes 15:02:42 <iAN_> I switched from ttdpatch to openttd with 0.6.* 15:03:31 <planetmaker> TTDP != OTTD... 15:03:51 *** Amis [~IceChat7@dsl51B6554C.pool.t-online.hu] has left #openttd [] 15:04:11 <SmatZ> !seen Amis 15:04:14 <SmatZ> @seen Amis 15:04:14 <DorpsGek> SmatZ: Amis was last seen in #openttd 11 minutes and 24 seconds ago: <Amis> hmmm photoshop could open it :) 15:04:14 <iAN_> yes. _I_ know. Thats why I asked. I still try to figure out the "differences" 15:04:38 <Eddi|zuHause2> enginepool :p 15:04:46 <SmatZ> iAN_: http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Comparison_of_OpenTTD_and_TTDPatch_features may help you 15:06:40 <peter1138> Eddi|zuHause2, isn't that one a bug? 15:06:47 <iAN_> ah. junction bridge heads is missing :-/ 15:07:51 <Belugas> funny... been called the ultimate patch, once... 15:07:59 <Belugas> engine pool, that is... 15:08:00 <iAN_> do I have to set train orders to "non stop" on a waypoint? or is that "non stop" irrelevant 15:08:20 <SmatZ> engine pool is very fine 15:08:30 <SmatZ> iAN_: it is irrelevant 15:08:40 <peter1138> is it even possible? 15:08:43 <SmatZ> depends on your patch settings... 15:09:00 <SmatZ> if "TTDPatch compatible non-stop" is set 15:09:13 <SmatZ> then it doesn't matter 15:09:26 <SmatZ> if not, then non-stop is non-stop at intermediate stations 15:09:42 <SmatZ> peter1138: I think so 15:09:44 <peter1138> oh, of course 15:09:59 <SmatZ> with old order system ;) 15:11:14 <peter1138> yar 15:11:30 <iAN_> where can I read more about "enginepool"? 15:12:13 <peter1138> canset thread :D 15:12:42 <iAN_> URL? 15:13:01 <iAN_> search on "enginepool" shows Showing below 0 results starting with #1. 15:13:13 <SmatZ> iAN_: search at tt-forums 15:13:22 <frosch123> iAN_: Too make it short: If you are a TTD player it is the best feature ever. If you are a newgrf artist, it is the worst bug ever :) 15:13:30 <SmatZ> hehe 15:18:22 <Sacro> heh, someone used i'd've on the forums 15:20:10 *** raimar2 [~hawk@p5489C690.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:22:36 <peter1138> i'd've thought that's fairly common 15:23:39 <Sacro> i'd'ven't thought it possible to abuse apostraphes like that 15:24:29 <peter1138> that's just silly 15:24:43 <SmatZ> yours''d ? 15:24:44 <peter1138> i'd've is at least in common usage 15:25:03 <Sacro> yes and so is n't 15:25:08 <Sacro> haven't :P 15:25:21 <iAN_> I read a lot about "engine pool" and threads about it, but to be honest, I didn't understand much+ 15:26:03 <peter1138> "n't" isn't, on its own 15:26:31 <peter1138> iAN_: i wouldn't worry, it's not particularly interesting 15:27:08 *** TiberiusTeng [~Tiberius@sbt.idv.tw] has joined #openttd 15:27:25 <Belugas> iAN_, simple. BEFORE, there was a limited number of grf engines (read types of) that could be add/replaced to the game. The engine pool multiplied that minimum by a lot. 15:27:33 * TiberiusTeng always wondered how much disk space www.tt-forums.net has 15:27:42 <peter1138> not enough 15:28:42 <Sacro> is it on newyoda? 15:29:30 <Sacro> /dev/hdv1 172G 94G 79G 55% / 15:29:51 *** Zahl [~Zahl@p549F1C3B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 15:29:53 *** Roest [~ralph@p54B9E8ED.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:35:09 <Eddi|zuHause2> you have too many hard drives ;) 15:35:45 <Belugas> all my harddrives combined are equalling his smaller one :( 15:35:49 <Belugas> damned 15:36:31 <Eddi|zuHause2> i found that any new harddrive i bought was at least twice as big as the previous one 15:36:50 <Eddi|zuHause2> my first harddrive was 80MB 15:36:57 <Eddi|zuHause2> my newest one is 1TB 15:37:11 <blathijs> Eddi|zuHause2: I'm doing that for the last three (320GB / 160GB / 80GB) 15:37:27 <blathijs> Eddi|zuHause2: The other two before that were also 80GB, but I found them too loud :-) 15:37:33 <Eddi|zuHause2> the biggest step was from 2GB to 40GB 15:38:24 * blathijs did 800MB / 4GB / 20GB / 80GB / 80GB / 80 GB / 160GB / 320GB I think :-) 15:38:33 <blathijs> and 80GB / 160GB for my notebook 15:38:41 <blathijs> oh well, off for shopping 15:38:57 <Sacro> my current pc has 500/500/500/80 15:39:05 <Sacro> with 160 on iPod 15:39:10 <Sacro> 100 on laptop 15:39:11 <Sacro> err. 15:39:12 * SmatZ 120MB 500MB 3GB 20GB (1GB notebook) ... later I don't know 15:39:31 <TiberiusTeng> damn, once I was thinking 32bit for 4GB addressing space is way too large 15:39:39 <SmatZ> hehe 15:39:55 <SmatZ> 20 years ago, it was 15:40:05 <planetmaker> hehe 15:40:11 <SmatZ> with 100MB HDD and 4MB RAM 15:40:29 <Sacro> i had 0 hard drive 15:40:31 <Roest> damn rich kid with 4 MB RAM 15:40:31 *** fjb [~frank@p5485F1AF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:40:33 <Sacro> 512k chip ram 15:40:34 <planetmaker> my first pc had a whopping 20MB HD - and I think something like 2MB of ram... 15:40:36 <fjb> Hello 15:40:36 <Sacro> and 512k slow ram 15:40:52 <planetmaker> 286 - those were the times :P 15:40:53 <glx> EDO ? 15:41:10 <Sacro> me? no, this is before EDO :p 15:41:10 <TiberiusTeng> 386DX-33 with 4MB RAM 15:41:13 <SmatZ> I doubt EDO for 286 ;-) 15:41:22 <TiberiusTeng> and that was the PC I played TTO ... 15:41:24 <planetmaker> Dunno actually. :) 15:41:26 <SmatZ> hehe 15:41:36 <Belugas> 8086, 640k, 20mb, 5 1/4 floppy, green screen 15:41:44 <SmatZ> EDOs came with later 486's (I think) 15:41:44 <Belugas> woooo... that was awesome! 15:41:47 <SmatZ> -' 15:41:48 <planetmaker> wouldn't want OTTD on that... :) 15:41:49 <SmatZ> hehe 15:41:58 <glx> I still have a cpc6128 15:42:02 <fjb> I'm starting to feel old now. 15:42:03 <frosch123> Belugas: really 8086 oO, or 8088? 15:42:22 <Belugas> too long ago, can't remember ;) 15:43:31 <TiberiusTeng> I just remember that 'ridge'-looking TT interface ... 15:43:42 *** GoneWacko [GoneWacko@86-60-148-44-dyn-dsl.ssp.fi] has joined #openttd 15:43:50 <TiberiusTeng> and the lack of presignals 15:43:53 <frosch123> I still have such a machine the cellar. Long time it was the only machine to play certain games, until I discovered dosbox ... 15:44:44 *** planetmaker is now known as planetmaker|away 15:45:21 <TiberiusTeng> a Core 2 Duo didn't make OTTD much different ... at least when not compiling it 15:46:08 <SmatZ> TTO had nicer windows 15:46:28 <SmatZ> but I miss oneway signals there 15:46:33 <SmatZ> and dragging 15:47:52 <TiberiusTeng> ha 15:48:25 <TiberiusTeng> TTDPatch & OpenTTD is just too good to be true ... (well, they're true now ;) thanks all contributors) 15:48:41 <SmatZ> :-) 15:49:27 <Belugas> 100100 15:49:31 <Belugas> mmh.. 15:49:32 <Belugas> sorry 15:54:25 *** blaab [~Oblivious@3E339CE3.dslaccess.aol.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:54:53 <TiberiusTeng> oh, a question, how to 'display' uploaded picture attachment in the forum post? just can't find that syntax :Q 15:55:27 *** blaab [~0blivious@3E339CE3.dslaccess.aol.com] has joined #openttd 15:55:45 <SmatZ> TiberiusTeng: only small pictures are displayed 15:55:57 <SmatZ> or if there is any other way, I don't know 15:56:23 <TiberiusTeng> so there's a resolution limit? how large is it? 15:56:41 <SmatZ> I don't know 15:57:11 <TiberiusTeng> hmm ... that's fine, just curious ... 16:01:08 <Ammler> TiberiusTeng: afaik, the limit is "just" a defined as constant, you can rise it wilth changing the source. 16:02:15 <TiberiusTeng> no, I want to show some pictures in tt-forums.net forum ;) 16:03:32 <Ammler> oh, lol 16:05:43 <Belugas> Ammler, which limit were youthining of? 16:05:50 <Belugas> thinking 16:05:56 <Ammler> resolution of ottd :-) 16:06:22 <Ammler> someone needed once a bigger size for his double screen. 16:06:34 <Belugas> as far as i know, resolution is not hardocoded 16:06:41 <Belugas> ho... size... 16:06:42 <Belugas> lol 16:06:54 <Belugas> do you have a dual screen? 16:07:07 <glx> there's no limit IIRC 16:07:33 <Belugas> indeed, there is none, now... 16:07:38 *** iAN_ [~UNIX@212.223.130.65] has quit [Quit: Oops. Connection lost.] 16:07:47 <glx> but nobody noticed it ;) 16:09:18 <Ammler> it was 3 months ago 16:09:41 <TiberiusTeng> hmm ... dual screen OTTD ? 16:09:54 <TiberiusTeng> maybe a dual window (?) OTTD then maximize it on both screens 16:09:55 <Belugas> quite 16:10:48 <peter1138> Quite. 16:10:54 <Belugas> http://bugs.openttd.org/?getfile=2961 16:11:12 <Ammler> no idea, don't have that big size :-) 16:11:21 <Ammler> it was a forum thread. 16:11:59 <Roest> we knew you have a small one 16:12:05 <Roest> err 16:12:20 <Ammler> :P 16:12:23 <dih> always the 11 year olds have to come along with such lines 16:12:35 <dih> and dont realize they are talking to people 2x or 3x their age! 16:12:43 * Roest yawns 16:12:47 <Belugas> pipi caca proot 16:12:54 <Belugas> agheu agheu! 16:13:03 <Roest> who pissed in your coffee 16:13:27 <Belugas> blebleble - arheuu 16:13:32 <TiberiusTeng> http://picasaweb.google.co.jp/tiberius.teng/Temp/photo#5209915548210239026 16:14:51 <TiberiusTeng> sometimes I miss that doublesize mode ... 16:15:19 <Belugas> what??? you have your tooth brush on your work station??? 16:15:53 <TiberiusTeng> oh, nevermind :p 16:15:56 <Belugas> lol 16:17:02 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 16:17:05 <TiberiusTeng> I think it's easy to do a 'free-zooming' feature with OpenGL ... but there's at least two problems on my mind 16:17:19 <TiberiusTeng> 1. original pixel fonts looks sucks when zoomed 16:17:53 <TiberiusTeng> 2. it's difficult to do it entirely on driver side, without help of blitter side 16:17:58 <peter1138> the sprite edges look dodgy when not at exactly 1:1 16:18:15 <TiberiusTeng> yeah 16:18:26 <Eddi|zuHause2> there are typically two problems with increased zoom: 1) the base graphics need to be available in higher resolution, 2) the vehicles "jump" several pixels on each tick 16:19:26 <TiberiusTeng> I won't touch this feature, at least not now 16:19:44 <TiberiusTeng> now trying to optimize palette access ... 16:20:33 *** Boyinblue0 [~admin@5ac37ec1.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 16:21:14 <TiberiusTeng> string colormap's fixed, fine; GRF palettes are fixed, fine; but the rotating palette animation need some clever trick ... 16:21:51 <TiberiusTeng> now I'm making & uploading palette on each BM_COLOUR_REMAP draw request, which is a little slow ... 16:22:12 <Eddi|zuHause2> 32bpp animated must have some tricks regarding that also 16:22:48 <TiberiusTeng> but I really don't understand, just 256 * 3 bytes of texture to graphics card, maybe it's the card's pipeline flushing that makes it slow 16:23:45 *** Boyinblue0 [~admin@5ac37ec1.bb.sky.com] has quit [] 16:23:52 <Sacro> could you not use models instead of sprites? 16:24:04 <hylje> that'd involve, say, building models 16:24:18 <TiberiusTeng> Eddi|zuHause2, it just directly look the remap palette, without any need of translation & transfering. 16:24:22 <hylje> it'd be mucho nice to have them exist side by side 16:24:29 <hylje> but i'm happy with sprites 16:24:34 <Sacro> hylje: yes, but a fair few 32bpp sprites where made in blender anyway 16:25:02 <TiberiusTeng> they need to render to PNG before appearing in OTTD for now 16:26:02 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm102.epsilon120.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 16:26:03 <TiberiusTeng> hmm. are there regular 32bpp-sprites users here? 16:28:18 <fjb> Apropos palette, why does OpenTTD not change over to the windws palette entirely? The grfs from the dos version of the game could be converted at startup. The game knows if the grfs from the original game are the dos or windows versions. 16:30:17 <peter1138> it has been considered 16:30:27 <peter1138> as in thought about 16:30:32 <peter1138> just nobody ever bothered actually doing it 16:30:47 <frosch123> though you would also have to convert recolor sprites 16:30:54 <TiberiusTeng> ahh! I could write palette rotating logic in shaders!! 16:31:36 <Ammler> it would "fix" the problem for MP games. 16:31:50 <frosch123> and figure out if there are evil grf coders, modifying recolorsprites by action6... 16:32:43 <fjb> Hm, only the grfs from the original game would have to be modified, and they have no advanced features. 16:33:13 <fjb> And all other grfs would have to be the windows version. 16:40:49 <TiberiusTeng> DoPaletteAnimations have too many arithmetic magics ... ~_~ 16:43:29 <SpComb> so who's going to prove that OpenTTD's signalling system is turing-complete? 16:43:42 <SpComb> implement a brainfuck interpreter using it 16:45:45 <fjb> Is it? 16:47:28 *** Roest [~ralph@p54B9E8ED.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:47:45 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.230.1] has joined #openttd 16:53:09 <peter1138> fjb: it's not a language, so... 16:55:13 <SpComb> bit of a bad term 16:56:20 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@79.0.238.55] has joined #openttd 16:58:47 <Noldo> SpComb: costruct this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rule_110 17:03:34 <Belugas> grrrr... 17:03:48 <Belugas> design me a new interface for the show next week... 17:03:57 <Belugas> yeah right... 17:04:05 <peter1138> ... 17:04:06 <peter1138> what? 17:04:12 <Belugas> my boss 17:08:15 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 17:09:01 <Wolf01> hello 17:09:07 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-120-111-117.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:12:19 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.230.1] has quit [Quit: ecke] 17:14:45 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:15:09 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 17:23:46 *** HenkdeVries [~aap.aap2@5351C5FE.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 17:23:52 <HenkdeVries> hey all 17:26:32 <Rubidium> evening 17:26:35 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-120-111-117.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 17:29:18 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@p5499C340.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:31:18 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm102.epsilon120.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [] 17:31:19 <HenkdeVries> heh how do you guys make such huge junctions :P mine always result in chaos 17:31:52 <Prof_Frink> HenkdeVries: Chaos is fun. 17:32:12 <Prof_Frink> Just know what you have to link, then run tracks wherever they'll fit. 17:32:34 <HenkdeVries> True.. But not when trying to build a massive railway 17:33:07 <HenkdeVries> Ah well until I finally understand how it all works, I'll stick to copying the ones on the wiki :) 17:33:12 <Prof_Frink> No, it doesn't start that way 17:33:25 <Prof_Frink> It starts as two tracks joining, which is easy. 17:33:49 <HenkdeVries> Yeah, it is 17:33:51 <Prof_Frink> It turns into utter chaos as you have more and more coal mines delivering to one power station 17:34:01 <HenkdeVries> Lol, also true 17:34:48 <Prof_Frink> The only thing I specifically try to do is have merges as late as possible, and splits as early as possible. 17:34:54 <HenkdeVries> Still, I'm having problems even with the easiest junctions 17:35:01 <HenkdeVries> Why? 17:35:23 <peter1138> split before merge 17:35:51 <peter1138> helps flow tremendously 17:35:51 <Prof_Frink> And generally, more parallel tracks == more capacity 17:35:56 <peter1138> so that's clover leafs out 17:36:21 <Prof_Frink> It's all about the Whirlpool for a 4-way interchange 17:36:56 * fjb always builds only simple junctions. 17:41:20 *** Amis [~IceChat7@dsl51B6554C.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 17:41:23 <Amis> ohai! 17:41:41 <fjb> Hai 17:44:51 <fjb> Complicated things confuse me. I'm building simple things like this: http://www.myimg.de/?img=NorthIndianRailAir15d37ed.png 17:50:44 <fjb> And here ist a small sawmill station: http://www.myimg.de/?img=NorthIndianRailAir214488.png 17:52:58 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.230.1] has joined #openttd 17:53:40 <TiberiusTeng> peter1138, could you describe the OpenGL threading problem you encountered before? 17:58:54 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-120-111-117.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:58:54 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.230.1] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:00:57 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.230.1] has joined #openttd 18:04:08 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-120-111-117.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 18:04:37 <Amis> I have a question. 18:04:44 <Amis> Why i can't rename he bouys? 18:04:55 <hylje> they don't belong to you 18:05:09 <Amis> lol? 18:05:22 <Amis> thats... 18:06:08 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:07:48 *** Amis [~IceChat7@dsl51B6554C.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Quit: Light travels faster then sound, which is why some people appear bright, until you hear them speak] 18:11:05 <Belugas> normal. I'm sure it's waht you were going to say ;) 18:14:12 <HenkdeVries> lol why would you want to rename bouys? 18:16:02 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.230.1] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:16:29 *** peter1138 [~peter@svn.bucks.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:17:58 <fjb> Same reason why you remane waypoints. 18:23:28 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.230.1] has joined #openttd 18:24:16 <Belugas> when they belong to you, cool, no problem... 18:24:49 <frosch123> one could argue, that everyone should be allowed to rename them... 18:27:04 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@pool-71-120-111-117.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 18:27:05 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest2091 18:27:05 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 18:27:56 <SmatZ> or that buoys should have owner 18:29:49 <frosch123> Well the original AI never built ships. So orginally buoys always belonged to the human player. I.e. the whole multiplayer stuff is flawed and should be reverted :p 18:30:39 <SmatZ> I think TTO wasn't planned with AI originally 18:30:46 <SmatZ> so it shouldn't be the reason 18:30:51 <SmatZ> but I am not really sure 18:31:16 *** bowman [johanf@81-226-229-179-no59.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [] 18:33:45 *** Guest2091 [~Dale@pool-71-120-111-117.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:36:22 *** planetmaker|away is now known as pm|away 18:37:18 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 18:37:35 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:37:35 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 18:38:29 *** pm|away is now known as planetmaker 18:41:25 <HenkdeVries> Airplanes ruin the whole game in multiplayer 18:41:45 <planetmaker> then switch them off 18:42:21 <planetmaker> (or ask the admin to do so or start next game w/o) 18:43:04 <SmatZ> or change planespeed 18:43:14 <SmatZ> or use planeset that changes prices according to planespeed 18:43:27 <SmatZ> it's your fault you don't know how to play with planes 18:45:16 <HenkdeVries> Lol now it's my fault :P 18:45:22 <HenkdeVries> Admin won't restart the whole game for me 18:45:35 <HenkdeVries> and I can host but no-one sees me for some reason 18:45:35 <Belugas> well... there are plenty of ways to control the planes. 18:45:37 <SmatZ> then go to another server 18:45:40 <HenkdeVries> I usually do 18:45:41 <Belugas> Whos fault is it if you do not know them? 18:45:59 * Sacro blames Belugas 18:46:12 <HenkdeVries> Haha 18:46:26 * HenkdeVries blames Belugas too 18:47:00 * Belugas just turns his head around and quit the room wrapped in all his dignity 18:47:03 <Belugas> prrrrrrrrrrrrrrr 18:47:14 <HenkdeVries> well belugas, apparently the whole world is against you! 18:47:23 * SmatZ stays with Belugas 18:47:25 <HenkdeVries> or atleast 2 people. 18:47:31 *** mode/#openttd [+o SmatZ] by Belugas 18:47:48 * HenkdeVries suddenly agrees with belugas too 18:47:52 <Belugas> lol 18:47:57 <HenkdeVries> :) 18:47:58 <planetmaker> lool 18:48:06 *** HenkdeVries was kicked from #openttd by SmatZ [User terminated!] 18:48:19 <SmatZ> mmm no kick message 18:48:32 <planetmaker> User terminated! ^ 18:48:35 <SmatZ> hehe 18:48:39 <SmatZ> that's default one 18:48:44 <planetmaker> oh 18:49:03 <planetmaker> and he doesn't return... :S 18:49:07 <SmatZ> :-x 18:49:13 *** HenkdeVries [~aap.aap2@5351C5FE.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 18:49:15 <fjb> Oh, oh... 18:49:17 <HenkdeVries> >=( 18:49:24 <HenkdeVries> oh wait 18:49:36 <HenkdeVries> it says 'no idiots' in the rules 18:49:43 <planetmaker> try that smiley: :) 18:49:46 <HenkdeVries> I thought you kicked me for no reason but nvm then ! 18:49:59 <HenkdeVries> what's wrong with the smiley? 18:50:13 <planetmaker> don't anger the OpenTTD gods ;) 18:50:20 <HenkdeVries> Heh 18:50:33 <HenkdeVries> the Gods hate the happy smiley? 18:50:47 <planetmaker> I don't think so... 18:50:54 <Rubidium> isn't it the mad cow smiley? 18:51:08 <HenkdeVries> no, that's >:-O 18:51:16 <HenkdeVries> I guess. 18:51:36 <HenkdeVries> ah, netherlands vs. italy is on, afk 18:51:58 <planetmaker> he. good and graceful excuse found ;) 18:52:03 <SmatZ> :-) 18:52:47 <Rubidium> NL vs. It sounds like a reason to no go AFK 18:52:49 <Belugas> planetmaker, you got my PM? 18:53:15 <planetmaker> uh... no. on the forums? via IRC? 18:53:21 * planetmaker goes checking... sorry 18:53:24 *** jojo_110110010 [~chatzilla@fw.khfree.net] has joined #openttd 18:53:33 <jojo_110110010> hi. :) 18:53:53 <jojo_110110010> Is there any OpenTTD developer? 18:54:16 <SmatZ> here? openttd? no... 18:54:17 <Rubidium> there are for sure no 434 developers ;) 18:54:19 <jojo_110110010> I've got a suggestion and i'm too lazy to register to the phorum... 18:54:23 <Belugas> IRC indeed planetmaker 18:54:28 <SmatZ> oh, a suggestion! 18:54:34 <jojo_110110010> :) 18:54:42 <frosch123> try the wiki 18:54:50 <SmatZ> did you search at forums, wiki and bugs.openttd.org ? 18:54:56 <jojo_110110010> yes 18:55:02 <jojo_110110010> nothing like it :) 18:55:06 <jojo_110110010> (I hope) 18:55:25 <jojo_110110010> How about to make a "Favorite server list"? :) 18:55:55 <glx> there's already something like that 18:55:58 <SmatZ> not suggested for the first time 18:56:06 <planetmaker> bugger... how do I access private IRC messages... I'm on a different comp now turned on half an hour ago... 18:56:21 <Belugas> mmh... 18:56:22 <glx> openttd remembers the last used server 18:56:42 <SmatZ> but I quite like the idea of "favourite" servers 18:56:46 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.213.111] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:56:53 <glx> and if you use the "add" button they are stored in the config too 18:57:06 <jojo_110110010> yeah it does remember, but only if you typed it in "add button".. 18:57:23 <glx> exact 18:57:28 <SmatZ> yeah, and for some reason, the list resets semetimes :-x 18:59:03 <jojo_110110010> So... My suggestion is accepted? Which programming language is OpenTTD developed? C? I know Python, so if it is useful, i'd like to help you :) 18:59:32 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.213.111] has joined #openttd 18:59:34 <Ammler> It is much easier then registering at Pornums 19:00:19 <Rubidium> it's just added on a big big list of suggestions without any certainty of something being done with it 19:00:54 <SmatZ> jojo_110110010: C++ 19:01:10 <jojo_110110010> Rubidium: oh... I didn't see it on wiki.. Was it there? 19:01:37 <Rubidium> no idea 19:02:44 <jojo_110110010> nevermind... Ok.. That's everything what i wanted to say :) 19:02:51 <jojo_110110010> bye then :) 19:03:00 *** jojo_110110010 [~chatzilla@fw.khfree.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.82.1 [Firefox 3.0/2008052906]] 19:06:57 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@86.89.201.189] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 19:29:43 <XeryusTC> planetmaker> bugger... how do I access private IRC messages... I'm on a different comp now turned on half an hour ago... <- you're on our bouncer right? 19:30:15 <planetmaker> right. 19:30:26 <XeryusTC> try /msg *away show 19:32:13 *** Tim [~chatzilla@p5090A6DA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 19:32:29 *** Tim [~chatzilla@p5090A6DA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [] 19:33:52 <HenkdeVries> Rubidium: I am dutch, that's why it's a reason to watch the match :) Oh and it's 2-0 for the Netherlands :D 19:34:07 *** McHawk [~hawk@p5489C690.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:35:05 <Rubidium> so it looks that soccer hell's going to continue longer than just the first round? That really sucks 19:36:01 <HenkdeVries> Why do you hate the Netherlands? 19:36:20 <Rubidium> I hate soccer 19:36:26 <SmatZ> hehe 19:36:29 <HenkdeVries> oh lol 19:36:39 <HenkdeVries> misread the sentence 19:36:40 <XeryusTC> soccer should be burned alive *evil* 19:36:46 * SpComb burns XeryusTC alive 19:36:51 <SmatZ> :-) 19:36:59 <HenkdeVries> lol, I hate soccer too, but not when the national team plays :D 19:37:00 <XeryusTC> well thank you 19:37:14 <Rubidium> and I hate soccer because all those (few) "'real' supporters" completely destroy all the fun 19:37:24 * HenkdeVries throws XeryusTC's ashes into the sea 19:37:30 <Rubidium> and because all the stupid crap that's associated with it 19:37:34 <HenkdeVries> very true rubidium 19:37:58 <HenkdeVries> but I'm going back to second half now, afl 19:37:59 <HenkdeVries> afk 19:38:57 <dih> NOT INTO THE SEA!!! 19:38:58 <planetmaker> XeryusTC: thanks. I should somewhere not that down... 19:39:11 <dih> his ashes will rain down on us some time... 19:40:06 <XeryusTC> planetmaker: *away should notify you if it got PMs while you were away :P 19:40:24 <dih> hehe 19:40:27 <dih> nice one 19:40:41 <planetmaker> dih told me yesterday the same... but my memory :P 19:40:50 <dih> if - and only if - that module is enabled :-P 19:41:37 <dih> i once gave Osai admin rights on the bouncer 19:41:46 <dih> and he tried /msg *status shutdown 19:41:57 <dih> and wonderd why the bouncer was gone! 19:44:02 <XeryusTC> lol 19:54:54 *** birdspider [~birdspide@chello062178009208.4.11.tuwien.teleweb.at] has joined #openttd 19:57:32 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.230.1] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:59:31 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.203] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:59:44 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-155-181.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 20:00:08 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.203] has joined #openttd 20:02:34 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:05:27 *** TiberiusTeng [~Tiberius@sbt.idv.tw] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:06:52 *** yorick [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-] 20:14:19 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 20:17:12 *** Slowpoke_ [~Lobster@dslb-088-073-244-137.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 20:19:06 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 20:19:06 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:19:08 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 20:36:58 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:39:34 <HenkdeVries> yay 20:39:40 <HenkdeVries> Netherlands won 3-0 :D 20:39:52 <HenkdeVries> they kicked italy's ass ^^ 20:40:35 <HenkdeVries> so back to OpenTTD 20:42:00 <Rubidium> poor Wolf01 20:42:11 <Wolf01> eh what? 20:42:31 <Wolf01> I don't like soccer :P 20:43:19 * Rubidium likes Wolf01's attitude 20:45:32 <jordi> wow 20:46:13 <Rubidium> wow what? 20:46:25 * HenkdeVries agrees with Wolf01 but likes the European cup games anyway 20:46:58 <HenkdeVries> hmmh 20:47:04 <HenkdeVries> Stupid signals 20:47:12 <HenkdeVries> Never get them to work properly 20:47:12 <jordi> 3-0 20:47:19 <HenkdeVries> yeah, no one expected that 20:47:30 <jordi> I care not about football, but 3-0 is somehow "wow" anyway :) 20:48:05 <HenkdeVries> It certainly is, according to Italian newspapers we 'stood no chance in hell' if I may translate it in that way 20:48:09 * Rubidium wonders why 5 games went unmentioned 20:48:59 <HenkdeVries> Anyway, it was a pretty good match. Now I'm going back to my goddamn signals 20:49:02 <HenkdeVries> which don't work 20:49:53 <HenkdeVries> hmph 20:49:55 *** Volley [~worf@84.119.44.207] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:50:10 <HenkdeVries> I'll just use trucks then 20:50:31 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d000238.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:50:34 <HenkdeVries> goddamn signals.. I'll get them to work properly >=( 20:50:43 <planetmaker> HenkdeVries: have a look at the wikis of OpenTTD and OpenTTDcoop. 20:50:53 <HenkdeVries> I'll 'never' get them to work, that is 20:51:00 <HenkdeVries> I did, planetmaker 20:51:11 <HenkdeVries> Still they don't run very well 20:51:37 *** Slowpoke [~Lobster@dslb-088-073-212-144.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 20:51:58 <planetmaker> http://www.openttdcoop.org/wiki/Presignal_Basics 20:52:15 <planetmaker> with pre-signals think backwards :) 20:53:05 <HenkdeVries> I already tried pre-signals 20:53:20 <HenkdeVries> Well at least the trains run now, but they have to turn around sometimes :( 20:53:47 <blaab> ITALY SUCKS BALLZ MUAWHUHAUWHAUWHAUWHAW 20:54:12 <planetmaker> HenkdeVries: then it's rather a network than a signaling problem. 20:54:38 <HenkdeVries> blaab: Yes it does. planetmaker: Hmmh could be, I'll try to edit it a bit 20:54:47 <planetmaker> got a save? 20:56:06 <HenkdeVries> No, I'm starting over. Just created a huge map, low cities and stuff just to try to build a working train network 20:56:23 <HenkdeVries> Thanks for the tut btw 21:00:45 <HenkdeVries> I still have difficulties 21:00:59 <HenkdeVries> after following both openttd and openttdcoop's tutorials 21:01:02 <HenkdeVries> <=( 21:01:34 <stillunknown> What kind of problems? 21:01:49 *** Phoenix_the_II [rdeboom@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.2 :: www.regroup-esports.com )] 21:02:07 *** Phoenix_the_II [rdeboom@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 21:05:10 *** TiberiusTeng [~Tiberius@sbt.idv.tw] has joined #openttd 21:07:11 <HenkdeVries> well, it probably has to do with the network 21:07:38 <HenkdeVries> but my trains constantly have to stop in front of each other, causing one to turn around and stuff 21:07:50 <HenkdeVries> which basically, just sucks 21:10:27 <stillunknown> So, find the place that causes the congestion. 21:14:44 <HenkdeVries> I'm trying 21:19:29 <HenkdeVries> WEll enough openTTD for me 21:19:32 <HenkdeVries> cya all 21:19:54 *** HenkdeVries [~aap.aap2@5351C5FE.cable.casema.nl] has quit [] 21:24:43 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: truebrain * r13436 /branches/noai/src/ai/api/ai_controller.cpp: 21:24:43 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: [NoAI] -Change: call the constructor of the SQ when the ->Start() is called of 21:24:43 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: AIController. This makes sure the SQ code is always executed inside the thread, 21:24:43 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: and not inside the main-thread. This has no change what so ever for AIs. 21:29:51 *** birdspider [~birdspide@chello062178009208.4.11.tuwien.teleweb.at] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 21:35:03 <fjb> Help! My trains get loaded faster than they are able to leave the station. :-/ 21:35:43 <Progman> more lines 21:36:29 <fjb> I feared that answer... But where to build them. No space left there. 21:36:53 <Sacro> fjb: you'd rather they leave quicker than they can load? 21:37:27 <fjb> No, they load faster than the can leave! 21:39:25 <fjb> The trains are too slow or the loading ist too fast. 21:40:11 <Progman> switch the "improve loading" setting 21:40:34 <Progman> then they load slower as they must wait for the preceding train to load 21:41:17 <fjb> I already did that. 21:41:56 <Kiloman> what's too slow about it? they get loaded and then are stuck waiting for open track to leave? 21:41:57 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:42:01 <fjb> I could try to make the trains longer. But I doubt that that would help enough. 21:42:35 <Progman> show us a screenie of your station 21:42:49 <fjb> No, the track is free. The trains accelerate too slow and even the top speed woul be too slow. 21:42:58 <Kiloman> sounds like you need more engines 21:43:31 <Kiloman> and to enable realistic acceleration 21:44:10 <fjb> Then top speed is still a problem. I never hat that problem before. A second line could be the solution, or even more lines to different directions. 21:44:16 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5554C.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 21:44:30 <fjb> Realistic accelertion is already enabled. 21:44:55 <Kiloman> if your engines are not powerful enough for the load you won't ever hit max speed, even on a flat straightaway 21:45:13 <Kiloman> how many cars do you have, and how many engines? 21:45:39 <Progman> simply show us the station which jams ;) 21:45:46 <fjb> I know, but still top speed would be too low. 21:46:04 <Kiloman> as the kids say, "pics or ban" 21:46:28 <fjb> 26 cars and 2 most powerful engines, going downhill from the station. 21:46:39 <fjb> :-P 21:46:44 <Progman> screenshot or it isn't happend 21:49:22 <fjb> Hm, more trains to diffenrent direction should be the solution. That is the "more lines" solution. 21:51:08 *** planetmaker is now known as pm|away 21:51:25 *** pm|away is now known as planetmaker|away 21:57:47 *** Slowpoke [~Lobster@dslb-088-073-212-144.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 21:58:36 *** planetmaker|away is now known as planetmaker 21:59:03 *** planetmaker is now known as pm|away 22:00:48 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.203] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:01:49 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.203] has joined #openttd 22:08:03 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host217-44-220-18.range217-44.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 22:13:37 *** CIA-3 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:15:31 <Eddi|zuHause2> *mental note* do not read the suggestions forum 22:16:39 <SmatZ> hehe 22:18:52 *** Touqen [~stephen@c-98-216-253-146.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:22:38 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-120-111-117.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:25:09 <Wolf01> 'night 22:25:13 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@79.0.238.55] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 22:25:50 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-120-111-117.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 22:27:21 *** Touqen [~stephen@c-98-216-253-146.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 22:34:03 <fjb> Eddi|zuHause2: What happened? 22:34:23 <Eddi|zuHause2> it's full of shit... 22:34:34 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 22:34:52 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@pool-71-120-111-117.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 22:34:53 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest2114 22:34:53 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 22:36:40 <fjb> Oh, thought you found something unusual there. 22:40:47 *** Guest2114 [~Dale@pool-71-120-111-117.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:44:00 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-120-111-117.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:49:32 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@p5499C340.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: dR3x4cK] 22:53:22 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:56:48 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Quit: Ik ga weg] 23:07:55 *** CIA-3 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has joined #openttd 23:09:23 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-111-36.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [Quit: Caught sigterm, terminating...] 23:10:50 *** XeryusTC is now known as Xeryus|bnc 23:25:40 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 23:30:11 *** GoneWacko [GoneWacko@86-60-148-44-dyn-dsl.ssp.fi] has quit [] 23:35:46 *** bowman [johanf@81-226-229-179-no59.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 23:37:22 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@user-54418bdb.lns1-c7.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:37:25 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl51B78864.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:39:35 *** elmex [~elmex@e180066077.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:54:39 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B470.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]