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has joined #openttd 06:03:30 <Ammler> morning Pikka, any idea why your oldwag-newcargo grf doesn't work with NewCargo from MB, did he make his GRF completly different? 06:07:02 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.189.22] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:09:58 <Pikka> Ammler: afaia newcargo predates the cargo class system 06:10:32 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.204.71] has joined #openttd 06:16:23 *** pm|away is now known as planetmaker 06:16:28 *** planetmaker is now known as pm|away 06:17:32 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.199.80] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:18:24 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.207.117] has joined #openttd 06:21:57 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 06:22:14 *** mikl [~mikl@81-232-111-34-no16.business.telia.com] has joined #openttd 06:25:22 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.204.71] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:27:03 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.178.58] has joined #openttd 06:30:18 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F56B90.versanet.de] 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HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.187.119] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:50:19 *** mikl [~mikl@81-232-111-34-no16.business.telia.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 06:50:33 *** mikl [~mikl@81-232-111-34-no16.business.telia.com] has joined #openttd 06:50:52 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.192.104] has joined #openttd 06:57:17 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.220.53] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:58:42 *** mikl [~mikl@81-232-111-34-no16.business.telia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:01:16 *** Mchl [~mchl@chello089076197233.chello.pl] has joined #openttd 07:01:30 *** iAN_ [~UNIX@212.223.130.65] has joined #openttd 07:01:37 <Mchl> hello 07:01:43 <iAN_> hi gurus, developers, batman, cops and all others 07:01:55 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.200.88] has joined #openttd 07:03:11 <Eddi|zuHause2> i'd take the first category if nobody minds :) 07:03:40 <iAN_> I figured out what kills gameplay totally. 07:04:03 <iAN_> using all ECS vectors and trying to deliver cargo from source to destination. That simply does not work 07:04:35 <iAN_> If, in the chain, something minor goes wrong. e.g. a lorry doesn't bring potash to a factory, it decreses production. 07:04:47 <iAN_> Then, coal, ironore, etc. is no longer accepted at the station 07:05:01 <Eddi|zuHause2> George's ECS implementation is just way over the top 07:05:19 <iAN_> those trains run back (full) the source station sinks in raw materials, and the output goes back from 1500 tons/month to 6 07:05:42 <iAN_> then, when you have fixed the lorry, the factory sinks in potash, because coal and iroenore are missing 07:05:58 <Eddi|zuHause2> you can use the unload order 07:06:01 <iAN_> This is a total mess of everything. 07:06:19 <iAN_> I figured out how to handle the mes 07:06:21 <iAN_> s 07:06:41 <iAN_> buid a gigantic station in the middle of the map. Lots of platforms, huge space. 07:06:54 <iAN_> every train goes from source to there unloading "everything" 07:07:04 <iAN_> and then the factories will be delivered from there 07:07:24 <iAN_> even when one mine goes down, there is enough coal at the center station 07:07:57 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.192.104] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:08:16 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.205.65] has joined #openttd 07:08:35 <Eddi|zuHause2> only that'll totally kill profit 07:11:30 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@adsl-58.36.Static.ssp.fi] has joined #openttd 07:11:42 <iAN_> no. 07:11:50 <iAN_> I tried it. 07:12:02 <iAN_> You lose a lot more with that fricking ECS 07:12:24 <Eddi|zuHause2> like i said, it's way over the top 07:12:38 <Eddi|zuHause2> there is no "easy" mode 07:13:19 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:13:30 *** HerzogDeXtEr2 [~Flex@89.246.207.247] has joined #openttd 07:13:31 <iAN_> you need 6 mineral-sources and one destination (factories). Its almost impossible to have that running. (output is glass + steel) 07:13:34 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 07:13:45 <iAN_> never ever had "everything" runnig up to car production in the end 07:14:02 * peter1138 wonders if any ttdpatch players experience that 07:14:20 <iAN_> you would need, coal, ore, sand, glass, steel, oil, refined products, dye and all that in a weighted relation 07:14:53 <iAN_> not even touching the vectors for food and people (towns) 07:15:12 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.200.88] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:15:33 <iAN_> for a mineral source, producing 3000 units/month you need at least 4 platforms with a length of 14 tiles (each) 07:15:45 <iAN_> even if the coalmine is next to the power station. 07:16:14 <iAN_> then, the output of the power station goes up to 25% and the station does no longer accept coal 07:16:25 <iAN_> (mabe needs oil?) 07:16:36 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@p5499D559.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: dR3x4cK] 07:16:45 <iAN_> so, try to find (30!!) oil wells to deliver enough oil 07:17:14 <iAN_> I'd like to chat with the inventor of those ECS 07:18:04 *** TiberiusTeng [Tiberius@140.120.15.14] has joined #openttd 07:20:02 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.205.65] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:20:30 <Eddi|zuHause2> it's George, you find him on the forums 07:21:03 <Eddi|zuHause2> and he is not the inventor of ECS, ECS is a common specification, he IMPLEMENTED it 07:21:42 <Eddi|zuHause2> MB wants to do another implementation, let's see how that turns out 07:22:54 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl51B7A1FD.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 07:23:16 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.166.74] has joined #openttd 07:29:47 *** HerzogDeXtEr2 [~Flex@89.246.207.247] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:38:54 *** pm|away is now known as planetmaker 07:40:44 <planetmaker> Does Ctrl+Click with a sign delete it by now like proposed here: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=35292 ? 07:40:57 <planetmaker> a wonderful good morning to all, btw :) 07:48:05 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-111-36.fttx.bbned.nl] has joined #openttd 07:50:32 *** mikl [~mikl@81-232-111-34-no16.business.telia.com] has joined #openttd 07:52:15 *** elmex [~elmex@e180065149.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 07:53:49 <Eddi|zuHause2> i don't use signs... 07:54:09 <planetmaker> you don't play multiplayer then :) 07:54:59 <Eddi|zuHause2> indeed ;) 07:55:15 <Eddi|zuHause2> actually, i'm on strike anyway ;) 07:57:02 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 07:57:04 *** SirBob [~chatzilla@c122-107-227-146.eburwd5.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.82.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.14/2008040413]] 07:58:34 <planetmaker> you're on strike? 07:58:41 <planetmaker> how that? and why that? 07:58:50 * planetmaker 's curious 07:58:58 <Eddi|zuHause2> because YAPP is not included yet ;) 07:59:11 <Noldo> :) 08:03:30 *** mikl [~mikl@81-232-111-34-no16.business.telia.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 08:03:44 *** mikl [~mikl@81-232-111-34-no16.business.telia.com] has joined #openttd 08:06:49 *** egladil_ibook [~egladil@81-226-238-189-no61.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 08:07:37 <planetmaker> hehe :) 08:09:36 <planetmaker> big patch which requires careful consideration 08:12:47 *** egladil [~egladil@81-226-238-189-no61.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:20:07 *** Sanity_ is now known as Sanity 08:26:05 *** Boyinblue0 [~admin@5ac37e82.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 08:27:22 *** Boyinblue0 [~admin@5ac37e82.bb.sky.com] has quit [] 08:29:03 <Eddi|zuHause2> my main problem with non-trunk-inclusion over a long time is savegame compatibility 08:29:34 <planetmaker> but that's a general problem of all patches, ain't it? 08:30:05 <Eddi|zuHause2> yes and no, it is solveable if the patch author includes special savegame code 08:30:14 <planetmaker> you can avoid that, if you bump savegame version yourself a bit more :) 08:30:29 <planetmaker> ^ which is easier, but more hackish :P 08:30:52 <planetmaker> btw: is there an example somewhere how to include such savegame code? 08:31:04 <Eddi|zuHause2> yes, the MiniIN 08:31:38 <planetmaker> hm, will have to have a look. But I fear the MiniIN is so huge, I won't see the wood because of the trees (or however you call it in English ;) ) 08:32:57 <Eddi|zuHause2> well, most of these changes should be in settings.c and saveload.c 08:34:21 <Eddi|zuHause2> but i still think trunk should be prepared so that people can use the minor savegame version for that 08:34:38 <planetmaker> ^that indeed would be a nice idea :) 08:34:58 <planetmaker> but is just a nice idea unless you find a volunteer to make a patch which implements it. 08:35:09 <Eddi|zuHause2> trunk will then only ever be able to load games with minor savegame version == 0 08:35:47 <Eddi|zuHause2> and patch authors will only ever bump the minor savegame version, not the major savegame version 08:36:25 <planetmaker> though this not necessarily solves anything like savegame incompatibility. 08:36:49 <Eddi|zuHause2> it uncouples trunk savegame bumps from patch savegame bumps 08:36:54 *** Farden [~jk3farden@ram94-7-82-232-189-236.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 08:36:55 <Eddi|zuHause2> decouple? 08:37:00 <Eddi|zuHause2> whatever 08:37:16 <planetmaker> IIRC decouple. but whatever :) 08:37:25 <Eddi|zuHause2> in most cases, these should be orthogonal 08:37:42 <Eddi|zuHause2> only obvious special case is merging a patch to trunk 08:38:40 <Eddi|zuHause2> this will help developing one patch with savegame compatibility over time, but not merging patches into patch packs 08:40:15 <planetmaker> hm... but I don't see how this is easily to integrate in the save or load code of a savegame. 08:40:37 <planetmaker> you'd always have to tell it to handle the trunkish stuff special which means you have to tell it what is trunk in the first place 08:40:42 *** Pikka [Pikka@58.173.248.50] has joined #openttd 08:41:09 <planetmaker> so far - as I understood from a brief look - it's kind of monolithic writing down the settings structure. But I may be wrong 08:41:53 <planetmaker> and special cases for different savegame versions. 08:46:34 <iAN_> hi Pikka 08:47:32 <Pikka> hello 08:50:23 *** TiberiusTeng [Tiberius@140.120.15.14] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:19:05 *** SirBob [~chatzilla@c122-107-227-146.eburwd5.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 09:19:05 *** SirBob [~chatzilla@c122-107-227-146.eburwd5.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [] 09:19:54 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 09:28:17 *** divoafx [~asd@x1-6-00-18-39-d3-e9-f6.k899.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 09:28:26 *** dlunch [~dlunch@61.108.29.49] has joined #openttd 09:28:47 *** divo [~asd@x1-6-00-18-39-d3-e9-f6.k899.webspeed.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:35:04 *** dlunch [~dlunch@61.108.29.49] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:36:52 *** mikl [~mikl@81-232-111-34-no16.business.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:48:48 *** mikl [~mikl@81-232-111-34-no16.business.telia.com] has joined #openttd 09:50:57 *** dlunch [~dlunch@61.108.29.49] has joined #openttd 09:54:32 *** Pikka [Pikka@58.173.248.50] has quit [] 09:59:54 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@129.187.61.232] has joined #openttd 10:11:47 *** dlunch [~dlunch@61.108.29.49] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:14:14 *** dlunch [~dlunch@61.108.29.49] has joined #openttd 10:24:47 *** dlunch [~dlunch@61.108.29.49] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:35:39 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B77055.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:37:40 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77055.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:46:44 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 11:04:12 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@85.19.218.28] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:05:17 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.203] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:05:56 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@85.19.218.28] has joined #openttd 11:07:27 *** tokai|ni [~tokai@p54B83F0C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:09:22 *** tokai|ni [~tokai@p54B80BF3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 11:13:36 <peter1138> hm 11:18:27 <Brianetta> HM 11:22:31 <Gekz> HM? 11:22:53 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@86.89.201.189] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 11:23:20 *** Tom0004 [~Tom@92.5.143.215] has joined #openttd 11:24:51 <peter1138> yes 11:25:30 <Gekz> I have to agree. 11:27:57 <planetmaker> oh, certainly yes! 11:49:24 *** Tom0004 [~Tom@92.5.143.215] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:52:41 *** shodan [~user@ppp101-219.static.internode.on.net] has joined #openttd 11:53:03 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@bib-theater43.hku.nl] has joined #openttd 11:56:49 <Eddi|zuHause> oh yeah... windows firewall at work... 11:57:19 <Eddi|zuHause> i have 4 computers in the network, computer A on WinXP has windows shares 11:57:37 <Eddi|zuHause> i can access the windows shares from computer B (Win95) and C (SuSE) 11:57:45 <Eddi|zuHause> but not from computer D (Knoppix) 11:57:58 <Rubidium> that one's behind a router? 11:58:18 <Rubidium> or has IP .1? 11:58:33 <Eddi|zuHause> depends on what you call router 11:59:04 <Eddi|zuHause> it is on a different network, yes 11:59:20 <Eddi|zuHause> computer C is .1 11:59:45 <Eddi|zuHause> anyway, i disabled the firewall temporarily, now it works 11:59:53 <Rubidium> so A, B and C are in 192.168.0.X and D in 192.168.1.Y (or similar) 12:00:38 <Gekz> lol 12:00:49 <Rubidium> then for Windows D is a computer on "the internet" that's accessing it, so the firewall goes into block all mode 12:00:51 <Eddi|zuHause> eah 12:01:14 <Eddi|zuHause> +y 12:02:11 <Eddi|zuHause> is there any way to tell the windows firewall, that it is also "local"? 12:02:36 <ln> no comma in front of "that". 12:03:00 <Eddi|zuHause> there has to in german 12:03:05 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: yes, but whether it includes hexediting the firewall is something I don't know 12:03:09 * iAN_ sighs 12:03:29 <iAN_> pew. just spend 646 Euro for an external roof-box on my car 12:05:31 <Eddi|zuHause> i should just set up a proper bridge instead of routing on computer C 12:12:50 <peter1138> spent 12:12:50 <peter1138> heh 12:13:49 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: truebrain * r13461 /branches/noai/bin/ai/ (3 files in 2 dirs): [NoAI] -Fix: add A* to regression, so we test it a bit (very basic test ;)) 12:20:31 *** Phoenix_the_II [rdeboom@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 12:24:40 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 12:33:22 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:34:48 *** Pikka [~PikkaBird@CPE-58-165-98-32.qld.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 12:35:41 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 12:35:41 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:36:38 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D787.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:37:11 <Eddi|zuHause> yay, i think i found the option ;) 12:38:56 <Ammler> Eddi|zuHause: still on strike? 12:39:11 <Eddi|zuHause> sure... 12:39:17 <Ammler> :-) 12:40:46 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@user-54418bdb.lns1-c7.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 12:46:42 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: smatz * r13462 /trunk/src/ (driver.cpp driver.h): -Codechange: move DriverFactoryBase destructor definition from header file (saves ~16kB) 12:54:44 <Belugas> [01:15] <Pikka> Belugas: you'll be pleased to hear that the new industry var works perfectly. :) <-- I am so happy (and releved) to read that :D I just can't wait to joyfully play with these industries !! 12:56:15 <Pikka> muahahaha... just gotta decide what I'm gonna do with them now ;) 12:56:35 <Belugas> lol 12:56:45 <Belugas> and to think it was already drawn ;) 12:56:56 * Pikka is definitely making earlier variations of the oil chain and the power plant and the fuel depots... maybe adding a coal gasification plant? 12:57:29 <Pikka> the early oilwells are more or less drawn :) 13:00:30 <Noldo> I have to wonder how smatz comes up with those saves 13:01:45 <SmatZ> easiest way is to run compilation with -Winline 13:01:50 <SmatZ> where it fails to inline 13:01:56 <SmatZ> there it is better to move it to cpp 13:02:06 <SmatZ> generally 13:02:31 <SmatZ> like in this case... 13:03:13 <Belugas> i'm sure you're going to produce a killer set, Pikka :) 13:03:25 <Belugas> if you need anything, just knock 13:03:34 <Belugas> will be a pleasure 13:03:48 <Belugas> ... as long as i understand exactly what you need ... ;) 13:04:39 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: truebrain * r13463 /branches/noai/bin/ai/ (3 files in 2 dirs): [NoAI] -Change [Library CHANGE]: AyStar is now more object oriented, and you can indicate the amount of iterations FindPath should do in one go (tnx to Yexo and TrueBrain) 13:06:08 <Wuisch> any super secret awesome stuff on the verge of being released? 13:06:31 <Belugas> hoooo.. the little curious one that we have in here ;) 13:06:43 <Pikka> Wuisch: if there is, it's a secret. :P 13:07:20 <Wuisch> but maybe there was a super secret spy that would trust in my upstanding honesty that I won't ever tell *nods* 13:07:20 <Belugas> but anyone following our commits lately should have all the hints required 13:07:21 <Belugas> hehehe 13:08:26 <Belugas> or rather my commits... 13:09:10 <Wuisch> hmmm I stumbled upon em once... but could you give me a link to where those commits been located so I can go all sherlock holmes on em? :) 13:10:52 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@bib-theater43.hku.nl] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 13:10:58 <SmatZ> Wuisch: http://git.openttd.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=svn/trunk.git 13:12:50 <Wuisch> Exxccellent, Smitters get my pipe and monocle 13:14:27 * Belugas dives into work@work 13:14:32 <Belugas> have fun guys 13:18:15 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D787.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:42:45 <Rubidium> Wuisch: you should take a look at my IRC logs ;) 13:42:57 <Rubidium> it's just that I don't publish them 13:45:16 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D787.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:45:32 *** mikl [~mikl@81-232-111-34-no16.business.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:47:40 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:48:24 *** Boyinblue0 [~admin@5ac37e82.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 13:52:51 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 13:54:25 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r13464 /trunk/ (14 files in 4 dirs): -Codechange: support NewGRF Action 0x05, type 12. 13:55:04 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r13465 /extra/ottd_grf/split/ (aqueduct.nfo aqueduct.pcx chars.nfo openttd.nfo): [OTTD_GRF] -Add: sprites for action 0x05, type 12. 13:55:53 <peter1138> aka 13:56:02 <peter1138> r13464: -Feature: Add support for aqueducts 13:56:21 <peter1138> because hiding it is really useful 13:56:25 <Rubidium> yup ;) 13:56:37 <Rubidium> noone cares ;) 13:56:41 <ln> support for the roman empire 13:57:30 <hylje> for the emperor 13:57:37 <SmatZ> well, I am not the one who will update changelog.txt... 14:01:42 *** raimar3 [~hawk@p5489B603.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:07:02 *** shodan [~user@ppp101-219.static.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: Client Exiting] 14:08:57 *** raimar2 [~hawk@p5489C2CC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:13:19 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r13466 /trunk/src/tunnelbridge_cmd.cpp: -Fix (r13464): slope checking got lost during development... 14:23:56 <Wuisch> aquaducts... like a bridge for boats? if only we had more boat grfs 14:24:27 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@129.187.61.232] has quit [Quit: dR3x4cK] 14:26:08 <peter1138> no, aqueducts 14:26:09 <Wuisch> Was there a giant party when you hit r10000? 14:26:15 <Gekz> there was a cake 14:27:10 <Wuisch> I was told it was a lie!? 14:27:53 <SmatZ> http://www.openttd.org/images/screens/r10000/r10000.png 14:29:40 *** TiberiusTeng [~Tiberius@sbt.idv.tw] has joined #openttd 14:29:54 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: truebrain * r13467 /branches/noai/src/station_cmd.cpp: [NoAI] -Fix [OpenTTD Core]: make CmdRemoveRoadStop use p2 as documented (only look at bit 0, not at the complete value) 14:30:22 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host217-44-220-18.range217-44.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:30:41 <Wuisch> Hmmm... did they make it over a Computer screen or do they have some kind of awesome screenshot to cake glazing convertor? *note to self create and patent screenshot to cake glazing convertor* 14:31:05 <Gekz> you print it on edible paper 14:31:07 <Gekz> and put it on the cake 14:31:09 <Gekz> its not hard 14:33:20 *** Poopsmith [~Poopsmith@39.206.55.210.dynamic.snap.net.nz] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:33:50 <Wuisch> but but but... isn't inkt poisonous? its what me mum always said "Don't eat yer pen or ye're gonna die a horrible horrible black inky death" 14:33:56 <hylje> kinky death 14:34:13 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.203] has joined #openttd 14:35:24 <peter1138> yes 14:35:28 <peter1138> everyone who are it died 14:35:41 <hylje> ink isn't alive to begin with 14:35:54 <peter1138> *ate 14:35:55 <peter1138> :o 14:36:15 <hylje> the level of obviousness remains unchanged :> 14:36:47 <Eddi|zuHause> that's why it is a lie, no living person has ever seen it! 14:37:42 <Wuisch> seriously though it should be possible to make an awesome cake machine that can convert jpg's to cake, and once I have created it I will rule to world and the cake will no longer be a lie 14:38:35 <Rubidium> Wuisch, go design one: http://hema.nl/nl-nl/winkel/gebak/taart%20op%20maat/ontwerp.aspx?productid=6333600&productvariantid=6333600&name=taart+op+maat+amandelschaafsel 14:40:44 <Wuisch> That is beyond awesome 14:45:11 <Rubidium> they do that already for years 14:45:34 *** yorick [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 14:45:42 <Wuisch> seems my plan is foiled again >_< back to the drawing board... 14:46:21 <yorick> heh, I like how the commit messages of big things are sometimes cryptical 14:46:23 <Eddi|zuHause> where did you think the cake came from? 14:46:38 *** iAN_ [~UNIX@212.223.130.65] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:46:51 <Eddi|zuHause> "sometimes" :p 14:51:44 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r13468 /trunk/src/tunnelbridge_cmd.cpp: -Fix: make aqueducts a little more expensive than normal bridges and disable terraforming of aqueduct bridgeheads; one can't terraform normal canal tiles either. 14:52:55 <yorick> congrats, you just ruined the cryptic message! 14:53:53 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@pool-71-98-108-161.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 14:53:53 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest62 14:53:53 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 14:53:55 *** Phoenix_the_II [rdeboom@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 14:55:23 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: truebrain * r13470 /branches/noai/bin/ai/ (3 files in 2 dirs): [NoAI] -Change [Library CHANGE]: allow in graph.aystar to give a custom param to the callbacks, so you can send in an instance of yourself 14:55:25 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r13469 /trunk/ (7 files in 3 dirs): -Codechange: add support for loading Action 0x05, type 0F: "tracks for slopes". It's not useful right now, but it will be in the future. 14:56:06 <planetmaker> he, I think wwottdgd has to run with a version >= 13468. Canal bridges are just too nice eye candy :) 14:56:46 <peter1138> action 5 type F is a horrible hack 14:56:51 <peter1138> but never mind 14:57:06 <peter1138> i guess i can unsupport it later 14:57:16 <yorick> what does that mean? 14:57:23 <yorick> "tracks for slopes" 14:57:30 <Wuisch> so whats the diffrence between an aqua duct and a viaduct? 14:57:35 <peter1138> aqueduct 14:57:40 <peter1138> aqueduct is for water 14:57:42 <yorick> aqueducts have water over them 14:57:48 <Wuisch> ooh right 14:57:49 <peter1138> viaduct is for other forms of transport 14:57:52 <Mchl> one ducts roads, other ducts water 14:57:53 <Rubidium> peter1138: newroutes or whatever it's called should just define *all* graphics and the issue is gone ;) 14:57:58 <yorick> viaducts have roads 14:58:04 <peter1138> exactly 14:58:18 <yorick> now what does "tracks for slopes" mean? 14:58:31 <Rubidium> read the wiki 14:58:33 <peter1138> pbs highlighing on sloped track 14:58:38 <peter1138> that's all it's used for 14:59:08 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r13471 /extra/ottd_grf/split/ (6 files): [OTTD_GRF] -Add: graphics for Action 0x05, type 0F. 14:59:14 <yorick> doesn't seem very useful 14:59:52 <peter1138> well it stops the "omg my track isn't highlighted" bug reports 15:00:22 *** Guest62 [~Dale@pool-71-98-108-161.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:00:36 <peter1138> so maybe there'll be a "-Codechange: modify signal updating" at some point 15:00:45 <yorick> :D 15:01:02 <peter1138> although possibly not as Rubidium does not like YAPP 15:01:15 <yorick> he doesn't what? 15:01:33 <Mchl> let's call it something different then 15:01:42 <Mchl> meybe he'll like i tthen 15:01:43 <Eddi|zuHause> exactly... 15:02:15 * Rubidium points out the YAPP means Yet Another Patch Pack 15:03:56 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: brb] 15:04:01 * Mchl tries to get allpossible meanings out of this 15:04:59 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm quite sure that Rubidium's problem has to do with pathfinder penalties 15:05:19 <Mchl> he's penalising pathfinders? 15:05:21 <yorick> he does not not like Yet Another PBS Patch! 15:05:51 *** blaab [~0blivious@3E339CE3.dslaccess.aol.com] has quit [] 15:09:05 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: glx * r13472 /trunk/src/station_cmd.cpp: -Backport (r13467 from NoAI): make CmdRemoveRoadStop use p2 as documented (only look at bit 0, not at the complete value) 15:09:14 <yorick> why can't aqueducts be sloped at one side 15:09:26 <TiberiusTeng> so ... it's the PBS idea bad, the 'huge' yapp patch file that's extremely difficult to proof-read/check/commit, the original developer didn't cooperate with debugging/code-style changing request, or just feeling uneasy for 'somebody out there' writing a such large patchset? :p 15:09:30 <yorick> oh...wait...maybe with a lock at the end? 15:09:41 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@adsl-58.36.Static.ssp.fi] has quit [] 15:09:42 <Rubidium> cause a lock takes 3 tiles 15:09:53 <peter1138> TiberiusTeng: no 15:09:57 <yorick> TiberiusTeng, where does someone say he hates it? 15:10:12 <Rubidium> and because nobody bothered to draw sloped aqueduct ramp tiles 15:10:20 <TiberiusTeng> well I'm just guessing, neither of them is true 15:11:49 <yorick> TiberusTeng, we aren't talking about PBS 15:12:26 <TiberiusTeng> ahh, yet another patch pack? sorry :p 15:14:07 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i59F56B90.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 15:14:54 <Mchl> I think that canals are not properly drawn when under aqueducts 15:15:57 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F56B90.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:18:30 <Mchl> when canal is next to aqueduct bridgehead, it is drawn without its bank on that side 15:19:14 <yorick> how did you place a canal next to an aqueduct bridgehead? 15:20:05 <Wuisch> is there a way to compile a ttd version when running vista? 15:20:11 <Mchl> under an aqueduct 15:20:23 <Mchl> next to a slope on which aqueduct starts 15:20:34 <Mchl> or ends :P 15:20:46 <Mchl> i can post a screenshot 15:20:57 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@p5499EEE0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:21:42 <yorick> can reproduce, could you post it on flyspray? (bugs.openttd.org) 15:21:55 <SmatZ> http://dev.openttd.org/~smatz/aqua3.png 15:22:05 <SmatZ> there are more problems with canal borders 15:23:45 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: glx * r13473 /branches/noai/ (36 files in 8 dirs): [NoAI] -Sync: with r13417:13472. 15:24:27 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 15:25:27 <[com]buster> lock destruction is also glitchy 15:26:12 <Mchl> yeah, it leaves canal tile, where it wasn't build before 15:26:32 <glx> not new 15:26:35 <SmatZ> it has been this way for ages 15:27:09 <Mchl> i know 15:28:06 <Mchl> is there a possibility to browse flyspray by a keyword? 15:28:54 <SmatZ> there is "search" button 15:29:01 <Mchl> yep... just noticed 15:29:30 <Mchl> i had some task opened, where there's only Show Task # window 15:30:22 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.230.1] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:31:50 <[com]buster> http://dimensionalrift.homelinux.net/combuster/lockglitch.png <- strange 15:32:20 <SmatZ> [com]buster: no 15:32:36 <[com]buster> i can guess how the code works 15:32:39 <[com]buster> just wondering 15:32:48 <[com]buster> is that a feature? 15:33:11 <Mchl> undocumented one 15:33:23 <[com]buster> I thought it would be 'o.o' 15:33:35 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl51B7A1FD.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:33:46 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl51B7A1FD.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 15:34:02 <[com]buster> its like, don't do what I expect :-/ 15:34:12 <Eddi|zuHause> <Wuisch> is there a way to compile a ttd version when running vista? <- yes. 15:35:34 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: truebrain * r13474 /branches/noai/src/ai/api/ai_abstractlist.cpp: [NoAI] -Fix: remove the restriction of 10 params per Valuator 15:35:38 <Wuisch> Ahh thanks :) 15:35:55 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause: you sure? 15:36:04 *** Zahl [~Zahl@p549F1212.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 15:36:20 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, i'm just not sure why anybody would want to run vista 15:36:44 *** Pikka is now known as Pikka|afk 15:37:07 <hylje> because it's what everyone will use 15:37:09 <trd> Well, it is this thing called "the only viable windows version that supports amd64 adequatly". 15:37:37 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.230.1] has joined #openttd 15:37:37 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.230.1] has quit [] 15:37:45 <[com]buster> If i want 64-bit support I rather use linux 15:37:47 <Wuisch> I like shiney things that use massive amounts of memory? 15:37:52 <[com]buster> vista's not worth it 15:38:12 <trd> buster: Give me FreeBSD with DirectX 10 support, and I'd kill my vista installation instantly. 15:38:21 <hylje> where do you need dx10? 15:38:28 <[com]buster> wait for the next release of wine :p 15:38:35 <Eddi|zuHause> Wuisch: there's always Beryl/Compiz ;) 15:38:42 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.230.1] has joined #openttd 15:38:52 <trd> "need" is very.... odd. You don't *need* a gui for anything. Textmode is best. 15:39:14 <trd> DirectX 10 has some better ways of doing some things than DirectX 9, even though all modern games only use it for useless eyecandy. 15:39:53 <Rubidium> luckily DirectX10-sdk isn't backward compatible 15:40:03 <Wuisch> anyhow how would I go about compiling open ttd in vista? 15:40:31 <Rubidium> install about 3 GB of shiny memory sucking applications, libraries and SDKs 15:41:14 <hylje> and pray it'll work 15:41:30 <hylje> if it doesn't, hunt for a hotfix and pray that will then work 15:41:32 <Rubidium> cause as vista isn't backward compatible as everybody thinks the easy non-memory sucking and non-HDD sucking method fails 15:41:41 *** GoneWacko [GoneWacko@86-60-148-44-dyn-dsl.ssp.fi] has joined #openttd 15:43:37 <Wuisch> Sounds fun 15:48:54 <planetmaker> e.g. install a proper compiler suite 15:49:45 <bowman> compiling with cygwin works the same in vista 15:50:13 <planetmaker> which is in some way also a compiler suite :P 15:50:34 <bowman> once all the crap is turned off there really isn't any significant difference between vista and previous nt5-iterations 15:50:48 <bowman> apart from the directx stuff that is 15:51:09 <bowman> but killing off directsound turned out rather well :) 15:53:20 *** user [~Gabe@c-98-202-77-105.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 15:53:57 *** user is now known as Guest69 15:54:45 <planetmaker> time for football :) 15:54:51 <Guest69> how can i solve my "network-game connection lost" error i'm getting frequently, that boots me out of the server im trying to play on 15:55:04 *** Guest69 is now known as UserError 15:56:06 *** ecke1 [~ecke@213.195.230.1] has joined #openttd 15:56:59 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.230.1] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:57:17 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: smatz * r13475 /trunk/src/ (tunnelbridge_cmd.cpp vehicle.cpp): -Fix (r13464): crash on destroying aquaduct with ship on in and on company bankrupt 15:57:39 * hylje is puzzled by this curious crash bug 15:57:54 <hylje> assuming a common cause 15:58:24 <peter1138> well tested feature :p 15:58:25 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d009653.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 15:59:20 <yorick> FS#2035: I didn't know that you could "lunch" openttd! 15:59:30 <SmatZ> I lunch openttd every day 15:59:42 <yorick> is it a new feature? 16:00:15 *** user1 [~Gabe@c-98-202-77-105.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 16:00:24 <SmatZ> -Feature: now you can lunch your OpenTTD every day 16:00:33 *** UserError [~Gabe@c-98-202-77-105.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:00:58 <Mchl> and you get hand painted developer fig in each pack! 16:01:15 <SmatZ> peter1138: untested actually 16:03:44 * Rubidium can't help it when asking others to help testing that nothing happens or that they don't tell about issues they've found until it gets committed 16:04:09 <peter1138> yorick: you can 'crush' it too 16:05:14 <SmatZ> Rubidium: last time you asked was version without working pathfinders, you certainly didn't ask about version you commited 16:10:25 <yorick> I didn't see you asking there? 16:10:39 <yorick> And what's next, aquetunnels? 16:12:14 <Rubidium> noes 16:12:29 <Rubidium> those suck ;) 16:12:40 <Rubidium> and there aren't ships small enough to go into a real one 16:12:52 <Rubidium> (ships in OTTD) 16:13:32 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 16:13:48 * yorick wants Shipports! 16:17:01 <peter1138> lies 16:17:09 <peter1138> newgrf barges! 16:17:12 *** Lex [~lex@70.188-233-85.staticip.namesco.net] has joined #openttd 16:17:40 * yorick wants undo button 16:17:41 <Wuisch> aye more shipsmore ports... better yet lets abandon all the other forms of transportation and fully focus development on ships! ^^ 16:17:46 <peter1138> add a property bitmask: can go through tunnels, can go over aqueducts 16:17:58 <peter1138> pbs for ships? 16:18:04 <svippy> :O 16:18:05 * yorick wants ship signals 16:18:09 <svippy> Ship signals. 16:18:12 * yorick wants ship pathfinder 16:18:14 <svippy> That's just silly. 16:18:18 <hylje> waterways for ships to work in 16:18:24 <svippy> Pathfinder. Now you're making sense. 16:18:31 <svippy> Maybe cooler channels. 16:18:32 <hylje> like rails but more freeform and automatic 16:18:34 <svippy> Like channel bridges. 16:18:42 <Wuisch> well collision detection might be a bit undoable with the small size of channels but it would be neat 16:18:52 * yorick wants real ferries with cars 16:19:01 <yorick> ^^ 16:19:02 <hylje> :o 16:19:08 <yorick> ship queueing 16:19:09 <hylje> and trains 16:19:14 <svippy> Oh dear. 16:19:18 <svippy> Cheaper than bridges? 16:19:19 * yorick wants floating bridges 16:19:23 <svippy> Otherwise it wouldn't make sense. 16:19:36 <yorick> svippy, over longer distances, offcourse 16:19:37 <hylje> with deep water it'd be feasible 16:19:42 <svippy> And the ability to make tunnels that is like a hole in the ground. 16:19:47 * yorick wants deep water! 16:19:59 * peter1138 throws yorick into the sea 16:20:00 <hylje> because 1) deepwater bridges are expensive 2) it's even more expensive to excavate underwater 16:20:01 * yorick wants enhanced tunnels 16:20:09 <Wuisch> I want every ship on http://www.shipspotting.com/ in ttd :P but since my time is way more important then you guys someone else must do it 16:20:13 <svippy> And maybe a global scenario where the water rises a level during game play. 16:20:14 <svippy> Bam! 16:20:23 <hylje> it's civ2 all over again 16:20:29 <svippy> s/global/global warming/ 16:20:30 <svippy> Damnit. 16:20:53 * Belugas is tempted to attach yorick to tracks in tunel entrance 16:21:12 <yorick> yes, tornados! 16:21:22 <svippy> And maybe a map type where the water is lava. 16:21:29 <svippy> Oh dear, that is just a image replacement. 16:22:19 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r13476 /trunk/src/water_cmd.cpp: -Fix: draw canal borders for locks and when directly next to a aquaduct entrace but under the aqueduct. 16:22:21 <yorick> what ? no scenario editor aqueducts?! 16:22:30 <svippy> :S 16:22:38 <svippy> It's aquaduct. 16:22:46 <svippy> I think. 16:22:55 <hylje> aqueduct is correct i believe 16:22:57 <svippy> :| 16:23:00 <svippy> Damn English. 16:23:09 <Mchl> not english 16:23:11 <Rubidium> svippy: use a dictionary! 16:23:16 <svippy> >:| I have one. 16:23:19 <hylje> use it! 16:23:20 <svippy> Which agrees with hylje. 16:23:25 <yorick> it's "aquaduct" in any other language 16:23:31 <hylje> not in finnish 16:23:32 <svippy> Indeed! 16:23:33 <hylje> you lie 16:23:35 <Mchl> not in polish 16:23:36 <svippy> Finnish is silly anyway. 16:23:41 <svippy> 24 grammatical cases? 16:23:45 <hylje> more than that 16:23:52 <svippy> Tune it down, please. 16:23:58 <svippy> Which is why I have gone over to Estonian. 16:24:10 <yorick> correction: every language that has a word that sounds like "aqueduct" 16:24:13 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: smatz * r13477 /trunk/src/ (lang/english.txt tunnelbridge_cmd.cpp): -Fix (r13464): correct tile type in the Query tile info window 16:24:22 <Sacro> svippy: actually it varies 16:24:25 <Mchl> http://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aquae_ductus 16:24:47 <svippy> What varies, Sacro? 16:25:14 <Sacro> svippy: spelling 16:25:20 <svippy> So I realise. 16:25:28 <yorick> Mchl, yes, that 16:25:33 <Sacro> i prefer aquÊduct 16:25:43 <Mchl> latin pronounciation would be closer to aque than aqua 16:25:56 <yorick> not if seperating the words 16:26:01 <Prof_Frink> What have the Romans ever done for us eh? 16:26:06 <svippy> Right, Sacro. 16:26:09 <yorick> inventing aqueducts 16:26:22 <svippy> Just like encyclopaedia. 16:26:23 <Sacro> Prof_Frink: don't start that :p 16:26:25 *** yorick [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: Getting to the chinese where they sell chinese food to eat that] 16:26:33 <Sacro> svippy: encyclopÊdia 16:26:41 <svippy> I have Ê in my language. 16:26:44 <svippy> What do you have? 16:26:47 <Mchl> I don't 16:26:50 <Prof_Frink> yer mum. 16:26:52 <svippy> We even spell it "CÊsar". 16:27:00 <svippy> I feel sorry for you, Prof_Frink. 16:27:10 <Mchl> it all falls back to 'e' in polish 16:27:36 <svippy> So there is only e in Polish? 16:27:43 <svippy> Neat. 16:27:50 <Mchl> e eee ee ee eee eeeee e 16:27:57 <svippy> Beautiful language. 16:28:00 <hylje> Mchl: AAAA AAAAAAAAA! 16:28:00 <Mchl> oh sorry... english only 16:29:05 <Mchl> that's silesian dialect I believe 16:29:19 *** Arie^ [asdfsadf@villabadmuts.adsl.utwente.nl] has joined #openttd 16:32:28 *** Boyinblue0 [~admin@5ac37e82.bb.sky.com] has quit [] 16:34:07 *** Arie_ [asdfsadf@villabadmuts.adsl.utwente.nl] has joined #openttd 16:35:12 *** Arie- [asdfsadf@villabadmuts.adsl.utwente.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:36:49 *** Arie- [asdfsadf@villabadmuts.adsl.utwente.nl] has joined #openttd 16:37:41 <Wuisch> My god I think i'm compiling 16:38:32 *** Arie [asdfsadf@villabadmuts.adsl.utwente.nl] has joined #openttd 16:39:19 <Prof_Frink> Arie*: Are there anough of you? 16:40:04 <Arie> dunno, my connection apperantly fucks up when i use google maps and zoom in / out a lot 16:40:12 *** Arie^ [asdfsadf@villabadmuts.adsl.utwente.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:40:12 <Arie> strange though 16:42:50 <Belugas> i guess that it's time to grab my lunch now... 16:42:58 <Belugas> way passed my regular time 16:43:18 <Mchl> almost supper time here 16:43:42 *** Arie_ [asdfsadf@villabadmuts.adsl.utwente.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:43:46 <Mchl> I'd beter go buy some water, while the shops are still open 16:44:14 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@user-54418bdb.lns1-c7.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:44:52 *** Arie- [asdfsadf@villabadmuts.adsl.utwente.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:49:59 <Wuisch> buy water? 16:53:19 *** Smoovious [~imp486@c-71-205-140-67.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:56:16 <Touqen> Not everyone likes tap water. 16:56:35 <Prof_Frink> Then they're silly. 16:57:00 *** Tom0004 [~Tom@92.5.143.215] has joined #openttd 16:57:22 <[com]buster> Sometimes it's a bad idea to dring tap water 16:57:25 *** Barry [~chatzilla@bg1078138.hum.uva.nl] has joined #openttd 16:57:26 <Wuisch> I firmly believe that if you just fill up the spa bottle with tap water 90% won't notice the diffrence 16:57:28 <[com]buster> a _really_ bad idea 16:57:37 <[com]buster> maybe not in your country 16:57:40 <Wuisch> yeah if you live in an undeveloped country... like greece 16:57:51 <[com]buster> France'll do :) 16:57:54 <Prof_Frink> Wuisch: Only 90%? 16:58:18 <Wuisch> the other 10% melts 16:58:29 <hylje> bottled water tends to be worse off around here 16:58:38 <hylje> it's only the novelty and lack of choice 16:58:59 *** Barry [~chatzilla@bg1078138.hum.uva.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:59:09 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@79.0.238.55] has joined #openttd 16:59:20 <Wuisch> I'm still wondering if it'd be possible to hookup a main line to a brewery and have beer flow from yer taps 16:59:46 *** Barry [~chatzilla@bg1078138.hum.uva.nl] has joined #openttd 16:59:48 <Prof_Frink> Could take a while to prime the pump 17:00:00 <Wuisch> it'd be totally worth it though 17:00:13 <Prof_Frink> And with losses along the pipe, it'd be a damn heavy pump 17:00:14 <Wuisch> nothing reels in the ladies like beer guzzling 17:00:21 <Prof_Frink> But yes. 17:00:30 <Wolf01> hello 17:00:34 <Wuisch> well not much heavier then water is it? 17:00:39 <Prof_Frink> Or you could get a cellar 17:01:03 <Wuisch> I suppose just getting a tank beneath yer house and have it filled up every once in a while would work too 17:01:51 <Prof_Frink> Like I said. Cellar. Complete with street hatch for deliveries 17:02:17 <Wuisch> but where will I put my daughter and incestuous children then? 17:02:25 <Vikthor> The problem is, you have to have high consumption 17:02:27 <hylje> you build another cellar 17:02:55 <Wuisch> well beer showers take quite a bit I reckon 17:03:20 <Vikthor> if this is the case than I rest my case :D 17:03:26 <Prof_Frink> Hmm, would I run the pipeline to Ringwood or Blandford? 17:03:32 <Prof_Frink> decisions, decisions... 17:03:45 *** jordi [~jordi@115.Red-213-96-69.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has left #openttd [] 17:04:21 <Wuisch> running a pipeline all the way to belgium would be quite Expensive I suppose 17:05:08 <Prof_Frink> And if I were in Kent, it'd go to Shepherd Neame anyways 17:05:29 *** Vessajono [~vessajono@nikita.tnnet.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:05:59 <Prof_Frink> A pipeline to get Red Cuillin. Now that'd be expensive. 17:06:03 *** Vessajono [vessajono@nikita.tnnet.fi] has joined #openttd 17:06:03 *** Tefad [~tefad@c-75-75-0-69.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:06:06 *** Tom0004 [~Tom@92.5.143.215] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:06:19 *** Tefad [~tefad@c-75-75-0-69.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 17:06:28 *** Barry_ [~chatzilla@bg1078138.hum.uva.nl] has joined #openttd 17:06:38 *** Barry [~chatzilla@bg1078138.hum.uva.nl] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 17:06:41 *** Barry_ is now known as Barry 17:10:48 *** fjb [~frank@p5485FD72.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:10:54 <fjb> Hello 17:11:02 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: smatz * r13478 /trunk/src/tunnelbridge_cmd.cpp: -Codechange: don't use GetBridgeSpec() for aqueducts 17:11:05 <Wuisch> ello 17:11:41 *** Barry [~chatzilla@bg1078138.hum.uva.nl] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 17:11:42 <fjb> Hm... aqueducts? 17:11:46 *** Barry_ [~chatzilla@bg1078138.hum.uva.nl] has joined #openttd 17:11:51 *** Barry_ is now known as Barry 17:11:59 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@pool-71-98-108-161.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 17:11:59 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest81 17:12:00 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 17:12:12 <Wuisch> thats like a water bridge 17:12:43 <fjb> I know. But they are new in the game. 17:12:44 *** yorick [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 17:13:05 <Wuisch> well since about 10 code change 17:14:30 <Prof_Frink> Hmm, does that mean we'll be able to recreate the M6Toll? 17:14:49 <Prof_Frink> New motorway, bridge over it to carry the canal 17:14:53 <fjb> M6Toll? What is that? 17:15:00 <Prof_Frink> Only problem... No canal! 17:15:04 <Mchl> Wuish: don't drink tap water in Warsaw, ever 17:15:25 <Wuisch> isn't tap water vodka there? 17:15:31 <yorick> technically, aquaducts can be bridges and tunnels 17:15:33 <Mchl> in my home city, it's safe 17:15:35 *** Barry [~chatzilla@bg1078138.hum.uva.nl] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 17:15:52 <Mchl> but in Warsaw.... well yeah... I suppose you could get intoxicated as if it was vodka 17:15:54 <fjb> Do we have sprites for aqueducts? 17:16:34 *** Barry_ [~chatzilla@bg1078138.hum.uva.nl] has joined #openttd 17:16:39 *** Barry_ is now known as Barry 17:16:45 <yorick> fjb, yes, we do 17:16:46 * Prof_Frink wants a suspension aqueduct 17:17:02 <fjb> That are good news. 17:17:05 * yorick wants a subterranian aqueducts 17:17:09 <fjb> I like aqueducts. 17:17:14 <Wuisch> wants more boats and better ports 17:17:25 <fjb> AOL 17:17:31 <yorick> newgrf_ports! 17:17:34 <Prof_Frink> Wuisch: Not more boats... 17:17:40 <Prof_Frink> I want an ekranoplan. 17:17:43 <fjb> And ships that don't go through each other. 17:17:49 <Wuisch> ekranoplan? 17:17:59 <bowman> hehe 17:18:06 <fjb> Ground effect device? 17:18:10 <Prof_Frink> Aye 17:18:22 *** valhalla1w is now known as valhallasw 17:18:42 *** Guest81 [~Dale@pool-71-98-108-161.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:18:42 <fjb> How fast can ships be in OpenTTD? 17:18:46 *** Barry_ [~chatzilla@bg1078138.hum.uva.nl] has joined #openttd 17:18:59 <yorick> 79 km/h, methinks 17:19:10 <Prof_Frink> iirc 127mph was max in ttd 17:19:17 <yorick> or was it 74 pixels per tick? 17:19:20 <yorick> per second 17:19:31 <Wuisch> is it hard to make new ships ? 17:19:32 <yorick> yeah, 74 px per second 17:19:36 <yorick> not very 17:19:48 *** Wolf01 is now known as Guest83 17:19:48 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host252-233-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 17:20:14 <Eddi|zuHause> as "easy" as any newgrf, considering you have to hex-hack most of it 17:20:42 * yorick wants aqueducts in scenario editor :) 17:20:44 *** Barry__ [~chatzilla@bg1078138.hum.uva.nl] has joined #openttd 17:20:47 <fjb> Hm, road vehicles are limited to 127km/h. 17:20:47 <Wuisch> hexhack... now that sounds annoying 17:20:48 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 17:21:05 *** Barry_ [~chatzilla@bg1078138.hum.uva.nl] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 17:21:12 *** Guest83 [~wolf01@79.0.238.55] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:21:43 <yorick> only planes and trains can go faster, fjb 17:22:01 <Wuisch> why is that? 17:22:13 <Prof_Frink> CS said so. 17:22:25 <fjb> Are roadveclis still limited like that in TTDP? 17:22:30 *** Barry__ [~chatzilla@bg1078138.hum.uva.nl] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 17:22:32 <yorick> because it was so in the original game 17:22:47 <Prof_Frink> Sounds like a job for 17:22:52 <yorick> and changing it would require changing the whole mechanism of drawing rvs and ships 17:22:54 <frosch123> roadvehicles are not limited to 127 kmh 17:22:54 <Wuisch> but can't that limit be removed? 17:22:54 <Prof_Frink> peter1138! NewFasterStuff! 17:22:57 *** ecke1 [~ecke@213.195.230.1] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:22:57 <DaleStan> Limited to 2040 mph, I think. 17:23:05 <Wuisch> that sounds tricksy 17:23:06 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.230.1] has joined #openttd 17:23:20 *** Barry__ [~chatzilla@bg1078138.hum.uva.nl] has joined #openttd 17:23:22 <Ammler> there was a patch for RVs, wasn't? 17:23:23 <fjb> That sounds better. :-) 17:23:53 * frosch123 calculates 511 km/h 17:24:27 *** Barry [~chatzilla@bg1078138.hum.uva.nl] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 17:24:28 *** Barry__ is now known as Barry 17:24:31 <Ammler> frosch123: but there is no set which has more speed? 17:25:03 <yorick> any faster things for ships? 17:25:12 * frosch123 only uses RV, when he has to test something, so no idea 17:27:00 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:27:00 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 17:27:00 <fjb> I guess LongVehicles has some busses which are fster than 127km/h. But I don't use TTDP, so I'm not sure. 17:27:14 <peter1138> gah, mythtv sucks 17:27:26 <peter1138> and me-tv is digital only 17:28:45 <fjb> Yes... 17:28:57 * frosch123 only managed to configure kdetv, though it sounds noobish 17:30:07 * yorick still wants aqueducts in scenario editor and knows how long it could take if he posted it on FS 17:30:20 * SmatZ agrees 17:30:29 <frosch123> yorick: So you do not want locks in SE? 17:31:16 *** Arie [asdfsadf@villabadmuts.adsl.utwente.nl] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.03 :: www.XLhost.de )] 17:31:33 <Ammler> aquaducts looks a little bit strange, can't you make them 2 tiles high? 17:31:53 <SmatZ> frosch123: well, why not 17:32:05 <Ammler> maybe I find an old screen at tt-forums to show what I mean. 17:32:25 <yorick> frosch123, yes I do, but I see aqueducts implemented slightly more soon, because every other type has bridges 17:32:29 <yorick> road, that is 17:32:32 <frosch123> and who should own them? I never figured out, why you can build canals in SE 17:32:45 <SmatZ> frosch123: OWNER_NONE 17:33:31 <Ammler> something like that: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=576140#p576140 17:33:32 *** Barry__ [~chatzilla@bg1078138.hum.uva.nl] has joined #openttd 17:33:42 *** Barry [~chatzilla@bg1078138.hum.uva.nl] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 17:33:42 <fjb> Better invent the generation of rivers... 17:33:53 *** Barry__ is now known as Barry 17:34:11 *** Barry [~chatzilla@bg1078138.hum.uva.nl] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 17:34:46 <yorick> fjb, we already did that 17:35:03 <yorick> http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Lively_Rivers 17:35:03 *** Barry__ [~chatzilla@bg1078138.hum.uva.nl] has joined #openttd 17:35:07 <fjb> Oh, where? What did I miss? 17:35:08 *** Barry__ is now known as Barry 17:35:14 <fjb> Is it implemented? 17:35:31 <yorick> inventing != implementing 17:35:54 *** Barry [~chatzilla@bg1078138.hum.uva.nl] has quit [] 17:36:07 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: smatz * r13479 /trunk/src/ (dock_gui.cpp lang/english.txt): -Codechange: don't use word 'bridge' for aqueducts that often 17:37:00 <Ammler> wow, didn't know there are those many aquaducts in RL: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_canal_aqueducts_in_Great_Britain 17:37:04 <fjb> Hm, ok, than implement that first. 17:37:23 <fjb> They are quite common. 17:38:35 <Eddi|zuHause> canal bridges are quite common 17:38:39 <Ammler> is there a aquaduct _not_ over a river? 17:39:09 <Prof_Frink> Yes. Over t'M6Toll. 17:39:20 <yorick> 18 in Holland 17:39:23 <Eddi|zuHause> well, most of the others look more like tunnels 17:39:35 <Prof_Frink> (Except it's missing the "aque" bit atm) 17:40:36 *** Pikka|afk is now known as Pikka 17:42:14 <Ammler> SmatZ: please, make a goal :-) 17:44:31 <Wuisch> I'm going to try and make a ship for ottd.... Time till I get bored with it 15 minutes 35 seconds 17:44:40 <Eddi|zuHause> SmatZ vor, noch ein Tor! :p 17:44:41 <yorick> [19:30] * @SmatZ agrees <-- maybe then SmatZ could code and commit it with the reward of a "<yorick> thank you SmatZ"? 17:44:41 <SmatZ> :-) 17:45:01 <SmatZ> I have exam tommorow, maybe later :) 17:45:19 <SmatZ> you may place a feature request if it is not there already 17:45:46 <Ammler> SmatZ: don't talk, press the thumb 17:45:51 *** Boyinblue0 [~admin@5ac37e82.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 17:45:56 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a41648.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 17:45:58 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 17:45:58 <Ammler> (if you do that in your home...) 17:46:08 <SmatZ> hehe yeah 17:46:26 <Sacro> Bjarni! 17:47:17 <yorick> SacroBjarni! 17:47:25 <Prof_Frink> Scriptro! 17:48:07 <yorick> hello coder-who-likes-aqueducts-in-scenario-editor-and-can-commit-it-before-nightly? 17:48:09 *** Zeal [~Ping@217-211-211-179-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 17:48:13 <SmatZ> dpc 17:48:47 *** Zealotus [~Ping@217-211-211-179-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:49:29 <yorick> SmatZ, shall I assign it to you? 17:49:39 <SmatZ> yorick: no 17:50:32 <Bjarni> yorick: don't count on getting something committed 10 minutes before a nightly build 17:50:40 <SmatZ> yorick: don't misuse FS bugs :-P 17:51:15 <Bjarni> since it will take more than 10 minutes to verify that it is good enough, both featurevise and codevise 17:51:25 <Ammler> aqueducts in scenario editor is like rivers in the game... :P 17:51:40 <peter1138> no it's not 17:51:47 <SmatZ> it's like canals inSE 17:51:58 <yorick> not misusing it, just using the field where it is supposed to be used for 17:52:02 <peter1138> 'n roads 'n bridges 17:58:46 *** Lex [~lex@70.188-233-85.staticip.namesco.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:59:47 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.166.74] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:03:51 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.166.74] has joined #openttd 18:05:52 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@pool-71-98-108-161.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 18:05:52 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest96 18:05:52 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 18:10:03 <Wolf01> ooooooh aqueducts.. 18:10:06 <Wolf01> nice 18:10:28 <Wolf01> I would have restricted the min height to 2 tiles 18:11:33 <Ammler> Wolf01: I guess, it is hard to implement 18:12:12 *** Guest96 [~Dale@pool-71-98-108-161.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:15:36 <Wolf01> also "presence time softwares" are hard to develop, like this http://www.oltremare.net/images/foglio_presenze_lista.gif and after developing a software like this I think there is nothing impossible :P 18:16:56 <yorick> Ammler, I guess it isn't 18:17:18 <yorick> if height < 2 then fail() 18:17:36 <Prof_Frink> min/max heights and lengths are better left to newgrfs 18:17:46 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-108-161.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:19:31 <Wolf01> in case of aqueducts I think that a standard higher limit should be better 18:20:52 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-108-161.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 18:21:03 <Wuisch> whats the biggest size a boat can be? 18:21:36 <Prof_Frink> Wuisch: About yay big 18:21:47 <SmatZ> yay, that's a big ship! 18:22:37 *** TiberiusTeng [~Tiberius@sbt.idv.tw] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:22:46 <Wuisch> Argghhh 18:23:28 <Wolf01> I think 458m until now 18:25:16 *** GoneWacko [GoneWacko@86-60-148-44-dyn-dsl.ssp.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:25:22 *** GoneWacko [GoneWacko@86-60-148-44-dyn-dsl.ssp.fi] has joined #openttd 18:41:09 <Wolf01> I was starting to type "Is possible to open timetables with status window?" when I clicked with ctrl on the orders button... 18:42:26 <SmatZ> :) 18:42:38 <SmatZ> crtl is very powerful 18:43:17 <Wolf01> I should update the key guide on my site 18:43:42 <planetmaker> ^ is your site the wiki? :) 18:44:10 <planetmaker> or can you point me to your site? 18:44:26 <planetmaker> (short cuts are just so nice...) :) 18:44:27 <Wolf01> no, somebody copied it from my site, translated it to English and then posted to the wiki 18:44:39 <planetmaker> oh... 18:44:48 <Wuisch> Hmm It might have been smart of me to draw the ship from the right angle I suppose a roofless ship wouldn't really work 18:45:33 <planetmaker> what's your site then, Wolf01 ? 18:46:11 <Wolf01> transporttycoon.game-host.org, if still work 18:47:39 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 18:50:21 <planetmaker> he, italian :). Somewhat hard to figure out, but with a bit of fantasy it works for me :) 18:54:09 <Mchl> Wuisch: better roofless, than bottomless... 18:55:04 <Bjarni> yeah 18:55:50 <SmatZ> hehe 18:55:54 <Eddi|zuHause> depends on... 18:56:16 <Bjarni> there were a ship that transported some sort of metal and since it got wet it started producing hydrogen. Days later they started to repair something and turned on a welding unit 18:56:21 <Bjarni> then it became bottomless 18:56:44 <Wolf01> mmh, I just noticed that alt+enter doesn't work anymore, the window blinks and nothing happen 18:56:48 <Bjarni> the insurance company didn't want to pay because no SOS was sent 18:56:52 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:57:35 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@pool-71-98-108-161.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 18:57:36 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest114 18:57:36 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 18:57:45 <Bjarni> <Mchl> Wuisch: better roofless, than bottomless... <-- odds are that some people would think it's the opposite with women 18:58:06 <hylje> bjarni? women? have i missed something? 18:58:40 <Bjarni> which means... women != ships (or women = !ships) 18:58:46 <Bjarni> hylje: you always miss stuff 18:59:32 * Bjarni notes that hylje is a Sacro wannabe 18:59:45 <Sacro> isn't everyone 18:59:47 <Bjarni> looks like he highlights on words like "women" 18:59:58 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@pool-71-98-108-161.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 18:59:58 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest115 18:59:58 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 19:00:01 <Bjarni> Sacro: I got something for you 19:00:07 <Bjarni> Sacro: (.)(.) 19:00:19 <SmatZ> no, he highlights on "men", but it is part of "women" 19:00:19 <Bjarni> that should keep him busy 19:00:20 <Sacro> mm, boobs 19:01:15 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 19:03:14 <Wuisch> well back to the drawing board 19:03:38 *** Guest114 [~Dale@pool-71-98-108-161.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:06:24 *** Guest115 [~Dale@pool-71-98-108-161.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:07:10 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@pool-71-98-108-161.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 19:07:11 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest118 19:07:11 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 19:07:46 *** Yexo_ [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 19:08:30 *** ob0t [andyf@dangermouse.pod4.org] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:08:30 *** ob0t [andyf@dangermouse.pod4.org] has joined #openttd 19:08:30 *** Yexo is now known as Guest119 19:08:30 *** Yexo_ is now known as Yexo 19:08:41 *** elmex [~elmex@e180065149.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:09:00 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.230.1] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:09:04 *** Guest119 [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:09:08 *** elmex [~elmex@e180065149.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 19:09:09 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.230.1] has joined #openttd 19:10:02 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@p5499EEE0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:12:51 *** Guest118 [~Dale@pool-71-98-108-161.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:13:52 *** Sanity [~sanity@olof-herngren.narkotikapolisen.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:17:08 *** Kiloman [~brandond@tyrant.nic.uoregon.edu] has left #openttd [] 19:18:02 *** mucht_home [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:20:52 *** Sanity [~sanity@olof-herngren.narkotikapolisen.se] has joined #openttd 19:21:57 *** Lex [~lex@70.188-233-85.staticip.namesco.net] has joined #openttd 19:23:27 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-108-161.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:23:59 <Wuisch> does the nightly built include the aquaducts? 19:24:58 <Wuisch> Never mind already know :P 19:26:13 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-108-161.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 19:26:43 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-108-161.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [] 19:28:52 <peter1138> no, it includes aqueducts 19:29:02 *** svippy [~svip@cpe.atm2-0-78233.0x535a2072.boanxx18.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:29:14 *** svippy [~svip@cpe.atm2-0-78233.0x535a2072.boanxx18.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 19:29:36 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:31:25 <Wuisch> will there also be a function of aque ducts so you don't have to raise the hill to go over a road? Don't really care just wondering 19:31:45 <Prof_Frink> Falkirk wheel! 19:32:44 <Sacro> whalkirk feel? 19:32:57 <Prof_Frink> 's what she said. 19:33:33 <Wuisch> thats quite a neat little thing... I once visited a giant sluis.... whats that called again... 19:34:02 <peter1138> well you can lower the road... 19:34:59 <SmatZ> hehe one can build 2040 tiles long aqueduct 19:35:02 <SmatZ> but not bridge :-/ 19:35:04 <Wuisch> true its not something thats really important it works this way and really how often do I use canals anyhow :p 19:35:58 <SmatZ> Wuisch: I think it is unrealistic 19:36:11 <SmatZ> water level can change only in locks 19:36:15 <SmatZ> not on bridge heads 19:37:54 <Wuisch> alter the bridge head to look like a lock... but that would require ships to stop and such... meh on to other subjects Cheese 19:38:35 <SmatZ> and it would need to be much longer 19:38:40 <SmatZ> 3 tiles long bridge head 19:38:41 <Belugas> GIMME GIMME GIMNME MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORE!!!!! 19:38:41 <SmatZ> etc etc 19:38:48 <SmatZ> not possible 19:38:49 *** Farden [~jk3farden@ram94-7-82-232-189-236.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:38:54 <SmatZ> wasted time for that, really 19:39:01 <Wuisch> I want MORE! 19:39:21 <Belugas> make it then 19:39:46 *** mucht_home [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has joined #openttd 19:39:51 <Wuisch> I don't know how to make cheese >_< 19:40:00 *** mucht_home is now known as Mucht 19:40:03 <Sacro> Wuisch: tis easy 19:40:11 <Belugas> try asking google. the answer is OUT THERE 19:40:58 <Wuisch> thats what they said to me when I was looking for the copulation of goats... 19:41:49 <Sacro> goat copulation? 19:41:55 <SmatZ> no, don't make it, it wouldn't be included 19:42:09 <Wuisch> specially with my ultra special non compiling code ^^ 19:42:13 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 19:43:21 <Wuisch> basicly it consists of a .txt containing the code "10 Make lock bridgehead goto 20 20 end " 19:44:06 * frosch123 would prefer a lift bridge for the road 19:44:29 <frosch123> kind of water-road-level crossing :p 19:45:01 <Prof_Frink> frosch123: 's called a ford 19:45:02 <frosch123> including crashing roadvehicles, when the bridge opens and a raodvehicle was too slow 19:46:30 * frosch123 never saw roadvehicles driving through a ford 19:46:32 *** Pikka [~PikkaBird@CPE-58-165-98-32.qld.bigpond.net.au] has quit [] 19:46:56 <Wuisch> you mean b asicly a drawbridge? probably hard to implement aswell but go for it 19:46:58 * planetmaker even drove through some fords. Living in NZ is not possible without :P 19:47:37 <Prof_Frink> frosch123: If you make it, you have to make a special GRF for lifting bridges in the middle of cities 19:47:58 <fjb> We even still have some in Germany. But you only need them when you lost your way. 19:48:57 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:48:57 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 19:49:12 <SmatZ> planetmaker: did you live in the New Zaeland? 19:49:28 <Wuisch> I lived in the old zeeland 19:49:43 <planetmaker> Yes, I did for bit more than a year. 19:50:06 <yorick> Wuisch: lived, or live? 19:50:12 <SmatZ> interesting 19:50:28 <planetmaker> not anymore :). So past tense :) 19:50:37 <planetmaker> or maybe :( ? 19:50:44 <Wuisch> Lived 19:50:47 <planetmaker> was a great time :) 19:51:14 <yorick> then where do you live now, Wuisch? 19:51:42 <planetmaker> He. Quite a distance between Zeeland and New Zealand :) 19:51:52 <Wuisch> I'll never tell! think of all the people coming to seek my advice 19:51:54 <planetmaker> I guess Zeeland is WAY closer for me now. Could be there in a few hours. 19:51:56 <yorick> like a half globe 19:53:06 <planetmaker> yeah. take 24h and you just may make it. 19:53:08 <Wuisch> I now live in the edgecity! 19:53:17 <yorick> :D 19:53:58 <yorick> which city in the edgecity? 19:54:16 <planetmaker> what or where is edgecity? 19:54:33 <Bjarni> <Prof_Frink> frosch123: 's called a ford <-- a bridge that can open for ships is called a ford? 19:54:39 <Bjarni> never heard that before 19:54:44 <yorick> heh 19:54:47 <planetmaker> Bjarni: no :) 19:54:54 <Wuisch> its a secret place where dutch people live planetmaker 19:55:01 <Bjarni> maybe that's why I haven't heard it before XD 19:55:04 <planetmaker> hehe 19:55:14 <Bjarni> then what is a ford? 19:55:15 <planetmaker> Bjarni: ford = level crossing water + road :) 19:55:21 <Bjarni> ahh 19:55:29 <yorick> it's our secret place where we communicate with aliens and such 19:55:29 <Bjarni> I tried one of those once 19:55:49 <Bjarni> it was like there was a river and a road and somebody forgot to build a bridge 19:56:01 <Bjarni> but jeeps could get through the river 19:56:26 <planetmaker> hehe. It requires sometimes a bit of courage to go through with a normal car :) 19:56:31 * yorick also lives in the edgecity 19:57:23 <Bjarni> <planetmaker> hehe. It requires sometimes a bit of courage to go through with a normal car :) <-- courage wasn't enough to drive on that road in a normal car 19:57:39 <planetmaker> hehe :) 19:57:43 <Wuisch> england had a lot of fords last year then 19:57:57 <Bjarni> heh 19:58:07 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r13480 /trunk/src/roadveh_cmd.cpp: -Fix [FS#2050]: RVs stoppping at drive through stations of other companies. 19:58:25 <Prof_Frink> Wuisch: And my boss' father in law got stuck in one 19:58:32 <Vikthor> Shared road stops? :D 19:58:47 <planetmaker> :) I have them :) 19:59:27 <Vikthor> Of course, but these were in trunk :D 19:59:35 <SmatZ> :-) 19:59:38 <Wuisch> is it possible to make trucks at drive throughs pass a loading truck? 19:59:39 <planetmaker> Bjarni: but those roads are probably most fun with the _right_ car :) 20:01:19 * planetmaker will now give the new aqueducts a try :) 20:01:47 <Wuisch> darn none of the servers have updated to the latest nightly yet 20:02:04 <planetmaker> svn is your friend :) 20:02:33 * yorick already gave the new aqueducts a try 20:03:36 <Wuisch> Lets see how many water things I can have over each other 20:04:00 <yorick> around 15 20:04:04 <yorick> if you try hard 20:04:11 <dih> [21:41] <Ammler> our turkey got the goal :-) 20:08:41 <Wuisch> Nop Leiden 20:09:09 <yorick> you know that's supposed to be a private message :P 20:09:19 <yorick> geoip was wrong - as usual 20:09:29 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.230.1] has quit [Quit: ecke] 20:10:37 <Wuisch> Apperantly I live in bodegrave according to my ip 20:10:54 <yorick> no, in The Hague, GeoIP says 20:11:10 <Wuisch> geoIptool says bodegrave 20:11:22 <yorick> heh, at least mine is correct 20:12:02 <yorick> except for the case that I don't live in the MediaPark 20:12:23 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d009653.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:14:30 <Wuisch> this one puts me in haarlemmermeer... I'm all over the place 20:14:47 <yorick> weeh! you're multiple! 20:14:53 <Boyinblue0> there ya go combuster 20:14:56 <Boyinblue0> free spot now 20:15:11 <[com]buster> wrong channel, freind :) 20:15:28 <Boyinblue0> woops lol 20:17:06 <Wuisch> so when is the aquatunnel coming ? 20:17:16 <yorick> pffm, dentist put a plastic layer on my teeth, feels wierd, and will be doing that for 3 years :( 20:17:18 <yorick> never 20:17:23 <yorick> because the ships are too big 20:17:33 *** yorick [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: And I Quit! Poef! Night!] 20:17:39 *** jni [~geetee@cs181040004.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:18:19 <Wuisch> why don't just get artificial teeth straight away? 20:20:07 <Bjarni> because they are just as good compared to the real thing as artificial intelligence 20:21:16 <Mchl> compared to? 20:21:37 <planetmaker> proposal for aqueducts: make "b" the shortcut for them. It'd be consequent 20:21:48 <Bjarni> artificial teeth compared to real teeth 20:22:05 <Bjarni> artificial intelligence compared to real intelligence 20:22:36 <Bjarni> it's still an open question if the latter is available everywhere though 20:23:25 <Mchl> I'll feed it into eliza, and tell what she thinks about it 20:24:02 <Mchl> Eliza: Do you wish that the latter is available everywhere though? 20:26:54 <Bjarni> he is a nice guy 20:27:21 <Bjarni> I bet Eliza will answer something like that 20:29:04 <Mchl> did Eliza ever answered in confirmative? 20:29:25 <SmatZ> !seen Eliza 20:29:34 <SmatZ> @seen Eliza 20:29:34 <DorpsGek> SmatZ: I have not seen Eliza. 20:29:51 <Mchl> http://www-ai.ijs.si/eliza-cgi-bin/eliza_script 20:30:18 <Wuisch> @seen boobies 20:30:18 <DorpsGek> Wuisch: I have not seen boobies. 20:30:25 <Wuisch> Hahaha... i'm a comedy genious 20:30:57 <Mchl> Wuisch: you owe me new keyboard 20:31:36 <Wuisch> you broke when you rolled over it while laughing on the floor? 20:31:52 *** Slowpoke [~Lobster@dslb-088-073-201-001.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 20:32:13 <Mchl> nah... it's covered in... a peach... i was eating 20:33:09 <Prof_Frink> @seen orudge_naked 20:33:10 <DorpsGek> Prof_Frink: I have not seen orudge_naked. 20:33:50 <Wuisch> oh yes... and #openttd was never the same again 20:34:29 <planetmaker> http://paste.openttd.org/15480 <-- 'b' key working also for water bridges aka aqueducts 20:35:02 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:35:02 <Bjarni> You: is there life on Mars? 20:35:02 <Bjarni> Eliza: Please go on. 20:35:04 <Bjarni> that's it 20:35:15 <Bjarni> we should keep sending probes to Mars 20:35:21 <Bjarni> we should go on doing so 20:35:23 <Mchl> see 20:35:41 <Mchl> she might be 30yrs old, yet still gives proper answers 20:35:42 <SmatZ> Eliza is stupid 20:35:59 <Mchl> of course she is 20:36:00 <Bjarni> You: what is the meaning of life? 20:36:00 <Bjarni> Eliza: Does that question interest you? 20:36:00 <Bjarni> You: no 20:36:00 <Bjarni> Eliza: You are being a bit negative. 20:36:23 <murr4y> we all know, the answer is 42 20:36:23 <SmatZ> like she doesn't remember previous sentence 20:36:47 <Mchl> she's been programmed in 1966 20:36:53 <Wuisch> why can't we send some cooler stuff to marz... like I don't know an acme anvil... then it would be like one of those cartoons where an anvil just falls on someones head... it will show the martians we have mastered comedy 20:37:04 <Mchl> don;t expect her to do heuristics on what you say 20:37:27 <Wuisch> and I ment to say mars... I in no way condone the use of inapropriate z's in my speech 20:38:19 <Bjarni> You: do you know the meaning of life? 20:38:19 <Bjarni> Eliza: Oh, i know the meaning of life. 20:38:32 <Bjarni> You: tell me the meaning of life 20:38:32 <Bjarni> Eliza: Can you elaborate on that? 20:38:40 <Bjarni> she is keeping secrets from us :( 20:38:48 <Mchl> a woman 20:40:01 <Bjarni> You: are you a human? 20:40:01 <Bjarni> Eliza: Would you prefer if I were not a human? 20:40:01 <Bjarni> You: do you want to have sex? 20:40:01 <Bjarni> Eliza: Oh, i want to have sex. 20:40:09 <Bjarni> in that case I prefer a human :) 20:40:41 <SmatZ> hehe 20:41:08 <Wuisch> but you don't have to cuddle with robots afterward 20:41:45 <Eddi|zuHause> you sound like you tried already... 20:41:56 * Mchl wonders if he should've pasted that link at all 20:42:28 <Bjarni> You: do you enjoy playing OpenTTD? 20:42:28 <Bjarni> Eliza: Oh, i enjoy playing openttd. 20:42:30 <Bjarni> yet another fan 20:43:09 <Prof_Frink> Bjarni: Recruit her for NoAI! 20:43:21 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has joined #openttd 20:44:00 <Mchl> I think it might not be the original implementation of Eliza 20:44:24 <Mchl> I remember, that she liked to ask question, not answering them 20:44:47 <Prof_Frink> Hmm, my implementation seems to be broken. 20:45:01 <Boyinblue0> !download 20:45:02 *** Boyinblue0 was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [Wrong channel. Retry in #openttdcoop.] 20:45:02 *** Boyinblue0 [~admin@5ac37e82.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 20:45:19 <Prof_Frink> 1) My computer doesn't need to let me do anything 20:45:26 <Mchl> yup... DorpsGek manages better 20:45:27 <Prof_Frink> 2) My name's not Dave 20:46:58 *** Tom0004_ [~Tom0004@92.5.143.215] has joined #openttd 20:47:20 <Bjarni> it seems to be broken 20:47:24 <Bjarni> I asked "are you a robot" 20:47:29 <Bjarni> it prints: 20:47:35 <Bjarni> You: I am answering your question truthfully. 20:47:35 <Bjarni> Eliza: How long have you been answering my question truthfully? 20:47:50 <Mchl> a paranoid 20:49:30 <Mchl> Eliza was programmed as a comical attempt to create a virtual psychiatrist 20:49:45 <Mchl> then Parry was created... a virtual schizophreniac 20:49:59 <Wuisch> who knew cats like pizza 20:50:24 <Mchl> and both of them could chat together for hours :D 20:51:06 <Mchl> http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc439.html 20:52:12 *** Tom0004_ [~Tom0004@92.5.143.215] has left #openttd [] 20:53:34 <Prof_Frink> And then there's Marv. 21:02:31 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@p5499EEE0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:06:46 <fjb> The canset guys are cheating. they allow only passenger cars in their push/pull trains. 21:07:01 <Bjarni> heh 21:07:05 <Bjarni> so? 21:07:34 <Bjarni> what else would you want to add? 21:07:46 <planetmaker> hm... any wagon? 21:07:52 <fjb> So nobody seen they are not turning around the whole train, only switching the sprites at the ends. 21:07:57 <Belugas> that's their set. they decide waht to put in there 21:08:08 *** Pikka [~PikkaBird@CPE-58-165-98-32.qld.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 21:08:33 <fjb> Still it is cheating. 21:09:07 <Belugas> nope 21:09:12 <Belugas> it's a desing 21:09:35 <Belugas> don't try to make your dream their reality 21:09:39 <Belugas> and good nght 21:10:16 *** Boyinblue0 [~admin@5ac37e82.bb.sky.com] has quit [] 21:11:20 <svippy> o_O 21:11:23 <svippy> How is that cheating? 21:11:30 <svippy> I am not getting it at all. 21:11:52 <svippy> And I think there is a good reason for only allowing passenger cars in their trains. 21:11:58 <svippy> Maybe because it *is* a passenger train! 21:12:05 <Bjarni> in real life you can only use wagons that can carry the control signals from the steering car to the locomotive 21:12:05 <svippy> :O My goodness, I think I just nailed it. 21:12:12 <Bjarni> usually only passenger wagons can do that 21:12:26 <svippy> Well, that too. 21:12:42 <Bjarni> also they need to fit certain physical features too 21:12:51 <fjb> It is far more complicated to make a train lokk going backward when you have different cars in it. You don't only have to switch the first and the last sprite of the train, you have to switch all the sprite in the train. 21:13:14 <Bjarni> so? 21:13:35 <svippy> Your point is, fjb? 21:13:42 <Bjarni> how long can you make those trains anyway? 21:13:43 <fjb> So it is easier to only allow passanger cars in a push pull train. 21:14:18 <fjb> Mail cars are were not that uncommon in passenger trains. 21:14:37 <Bjarni> we are talking about push pull trains 21:14:48 <Bjarni> they are usually used for short distances 21:14:56 <Bjarni> mail cars are used for long distance 21:15:30 <Bjarni> having said that I have seen the exception to the rule 21:15:30 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i59F56B90.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 21:15:45 <SpComb> Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd 21:15:45 <Pikka> !logs 21:15:45 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Write error: connection closed] 21:15:56 <Bjarni> the railroad added a mail car or something similar after the locomotive when the locomotive were pushing the cars 21:16:10 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 21:16:24 <Bjarni> the safety restrictions about push pull trains applies to cars in front of the locomotive, but not behind it 21:16:41 <Bjarni> so you can add whatever you like after the locomotive (at least in real life) 21:17:00 <Bjarni> somebody might be upset if you transport dangerous stuff on a train with passengers though 21:17:11 <svippy> I'm confused. 21:17:12 <Touqen> See: ValueJet 21:17:19 <svippy> Are they called railroads or railways? 21:17:47 <planetmaker> the answer depends upon whom you ask :P 21:18:13 <Bjarni> svippy: it depends on if you are talking US English or real English 21:18:38 <svippy> I thought so. 21:20:05 <Bjarni> svippy: of cause we all know the correct term is jernbane so why bother with anything else? :D 21:20:38 <svippy> :O But isn't jernbane just "irontrack"? 21:21:22 <Bjarni> o_O 21:22:10 <svippy> Hey, Bjarni, I don't know how good your Danish is, but in my experience "jern" is "iron" and "bane" is "track". 21:22:14 <svippy> Hence "iron track". 21:22:40 *** Slowpoke [~Lobster@dslb-088-073-201-001.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 21:24:44 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 21:24:49 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:24:49 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 21:24:50 <Bjarni> last time I checked my Danish were pretty decent 21:25:04 * Pikka points out to Bjarni that of the seven Class 1 carriers in the US and Canada, five are "railway"s while only one is a "railroad" ;) 21:25:05 <Bjarni> the same goes for knowledge about railroads in Denmark 21:26:22 <fjb> If the rail is on your way, then it is a railway. 21:26:57 <Bjarni> <svippy> Hey, Bjarni, I don't know how good your Danish is <-- I imagine it's better than yours :P 21:27:07 <svippy> Really? 21:27:11 <Bjarni> yeah 21:27:19 <svippy> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fixed-wing_aircraft 21:27:30 <svippy> Woo for avoiding "aeroplane" or "airplane". 21:27:59 <Bjarni> :) 21:28:12 <svippy> That is the specific reason for its name. 21:28:24 <svippy> There were heated debates on its talk page about which it should be. 21:29:16 <Bjarni> my English teacher once said it was US/British but British Airways used the American term 21:36:26 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host217-44-220-18.range217-44.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 21:38:10 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: smatz * r13481 /trunk/src/dock_gui.cpp: -Codechange: add 'B' keyboard shortcut to build aqueduct (planetmaker) 21:38:11 <Bjarni> lol.... just saw the result of a survey... engineers who will not switch out their windows client with linux replied on why not. 3,4% were concerned with the security in linux :D 21:38:43 <svippy> Hm. 21:38:45 <SmatZ> hehe 21:38:47 <svippy> Concerned. 21:38:58 <svippy> How am I going to work if I get no viruses? 21:39:08 <svippy> How can I live if my system has an almost 99% uptime?! 21:39:22 <svippy> Where are the restarts?! That is not what I have come to know! 21:39:36 <fjb> Every system is insecure if the operator doesn't know what he is doing. 21:40:01 <svippy> Indeed. 21:40:22 <svippy> Some systems' third parties are just more out to get them than others. 21:40:25 <Bjarni> I don't think this would be an issue 21:40:38 <Bjarni> as it should be taken care of by their system administrator 21:40:46 <Bjarni> this is computers for work 21:40:50 <Bjarni> not at home 21:40:57 <fjb> Don't feel secure only because you are using Linux. 21:40:59 <Bjarni> hence they don't have to install it themselves 21:41:27 <svippy> I don't fjb. 21:41:28 <ben_goodger> my IT teacher once submitted a proof that went: "windows is perfect, therefore viruses just happen. windows is perfect and linux is not windows, therefore linux is not perfect, therefore it is worse at viruses" 21:41:39 <Bjarni> <fjb> Don't feel secure only because you are using Linux. <--- nobody claimed that 21:41:48 <Bjarni> it's just in comparison with windows 21:42:00 <svippy> ben_goodger, what was his argument for stating "Windows is perfect". 21:42:08 <svippy> Have you seen its font anti-aliasing?! 21:42:09 <ben_goodger> she didn't have one 21:42:13 <svippy> Of course not. 21:42:16 <svippy> CAUSE THERE IS NONE. 21:42:17 <fjb> A well administrered Windows is more secure than a poorly administered Linux. 21:42:26 <svippy> If Windows is perfect, why are they copying OS X? 21:42:34 <svippy> True, fjb. 21:42:39 <ben_goodger> fjb: yes, but trying to administer Windows well will drive someone to suicide long before Linux 21:42:43 <svippy> But is cheaper to get a well administrated Linux than a Windows box. 21:42:46 <SmatZ> ben_goodger: good teachers you have 21:42:47 <Eddi|zuHause> it's so weird... i just read this RFC about the bot conversation, and then i read svippy's conversation here, and they look exactly alike 21:42:48 <svippy> Well, at least in most usecases I have read. 21:43:07 <svippy> Eddi|zuHause, I work hard to fail the Turing test. 21:43:43 <ben_goodger> SmatZ: tell me about it... our syllabus was written in 2000 so we had to put "not writeable" as a disadvantage of CDs (in 2006) 21:44:07 <ben_goodger> I don't like lying to pass exams. it's one of the many reasons I have become a depressed cynical shell of a teenager 21:44:15 <fjb> Depends who your administrator is. When you hae trained Windows people at hand Windows may be the cheaper and more secure way. It just depends. 21:44:23 <SmatZ> hehe 21:44:29 <Bjarni> speaking of security. Somebody made a proof of concept where he got safari for windows to download a file to the desktop without the user knowing it. Next time he started IE it would run the downloaded dll and start notepad 21:44:40 <Bjarni> naturally this is seen as a security issue 21:44:48 <svippy> Indeed. 21:44:48 <ben_goodger> ah yes 21:44:54 <ben_goodger> apple refused to patch it, no? 21:44:56 <svippy> Mixing Safari and IE was never a good idea. 21:45:04 <svippy> Yeah, ben_goodger, because they want Windows users to suffer. 21:45:08 <Bjarni> Apple says that it's not entirely their fault because "why the fuck would IE execute a dll file just because it's on the desktop???" 21:45:16 <Eddi|zuHause> <Bjarni> they are usually used for short distances <- all modern long distance trains are push-pull now 21:45:18 <svippy> I can imagine Steve Jobs stroking his cat right now. 21:45:40 <ben_goodger> Eddi|zuHause: what about DMUs? 21:45:48 <Bjarni> <ben_goodger> apple refused to patch it, no? <-- they didn't say that but they didn't claim to try to fix it either 21:45:50 <svippy> Bjarni: Because IE is made of fail? 21:45:59 <Eddi|zuHause> typical "asymmetric" vehicles there are dining cars and baggage wagons 21:46:16 <ben_goodger> Bjarni: on /. --- "if safari downloads things to the desktop, it is because all user agents should do so, and apple are the only people with the wisdom, foresight and polo sweaters to implement it" 21:46:19 <svippy> <@Bjarni> <ben_goodger> apple refused to patch it, no? <-- they didn't say that but they didn't claim to try to fix it either <-- They said they would fix it in an update, but they didn't consider it critical or a security issue. 21:46:35 <Eddi|zuHause> ben_goodger: especially those are push-pull ;) 21:46:38 <Bjarni> <Eddi|zuHause> <Bjarni> they are usually used for short distances <- all modern long distance trains are push-pull now <-- they tend to be DMU/EMU based. Those aren't push pull 21:47:03 <ben_goodger> well, it depends 21:47:11 <Bjarni> lol @ ben_goodger 21:47:18 <Eddi|zuHause> and only ICEs are EMUs, all other long distance trains are engine-driven with a steering wagon at the end 21:47:53 <ben_goodger> in britain we have HSTs which are push-pull, and from the 70s.... and 180s, 22*s, 158s, 390s which are DMU/EMUs from the 00s 21:48:14 <ben_goodger> oh, we also have class 90s and 47s which are pull-only 21:48:32 <ben_goodger> long-distance, I mean 21:49:18 <ben_goodger> people appear to like DMUs mostly nowadays. maybe it's the acceleration or the screaming of the engines that attracts them to them, but I am not sure 21:49:19 <Bjarni> <Eddi|zuHause> [...], all other long distance trains are engine-driven with a steering wagon at the end <-- sounds stupid. Here steering cars aren't allowed to go faster than 140 km/h when they are in front for security issues 21:49:22 <Eddi|zuHause> short distance trains are much more likely to be DMU/EMU 21:49:34 <Sacro> http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/9325/naziwarmachinens3.jpg :o 21:50:01 <ben_goodger> heheheh 21:50:10 <Eddi|zuHause> Bjarni: http://www.bahnbilder.de/name/galerie/kategorie/Deutschland~Wagen~IC-Steuerwagen.html 21:50:14 <ben_goodger> it has been said that VW is the new german empire... 21:51:11 *** Tom0004 [~Tom@92.5.143.215] has joined #openttd 21:51:26 <Eddi|zuHause> did you know that VW was founded by Hitler? 21:51:45 <Bjarni> <ben_goodger> people appear to like DMUs mostly nowadays. maybe it's the acceleration or the screaming of the engines that attracts them to them, but I am not sure <-- modern trains have problems with high force. Basically there is a limit to how much the tracks can survive from each axle so spreading the same amount of force on to more axles the impact on the tracks is way smaller and you can accelerate faster with less wear on th 21:51:45 <Bjarni> e tracks 21:51:57 <ben_goodger> aha 21:52:34 <ben_goodger> the thing is, the quiet carriage on the HST is right next to the "pull" loco, and it's quiet as anything other than the slam-doors 21:53:20 <ben_goodger> Eddi|zuHause: I did indeed know that...then again, the nazis did many great things that have nothing to do with killing 21:53:22 <Bjarni> you mean it's full of engine noise? 21:53:30 <ben_goodger> no, it's silent 21:53:36 <ben_goodger> DMUs are full of engine noise. 21:54:01 <Bjarni> generally I don't consider engine noise in a DMU as an issue 21:54:07 <Bjarni> the vibrations are though 21:54:08 <ben_goodger> sorry, the carriage is as quiet as anything; besides the slam-doors, which are loud 21:54:18 * fjb thinks what that good things may have been. 21:55:27 <Eddi|zuHause> "Bpmbdzf 296-3" <- now that's a cool classification for a wagon ;) 21:55:30 <ben_goodger> fjb: they appear to have pulled germany out of the worst recession in recent history and created large amounts of employment, one of the best motorway networks in the world and a wonderful car 21:55:47 <Bjarni> TEE had really noisy diesel engines. They were pretty well sound isolated from the passengers though 21:55:55 *** Pikka [~PikkaBird@CPE-58-165-98-32.qld.bigpond.net.au] has quit [] 21:56:21 <ben_goodger> obviously the holocaust was utterly, completely unforgivable, but I don't think we should associate volkswagen with it just because they were started by the same government 21:56:46 <Eddi|zuHause> well, obviously the motorway network was majorly driven as a war-infrastructure-preparation 21:56:54 <ben_goodger> true 21:57:20 <ben_goodger> hans reiser is a murdering bastard, but many people still use his filesystem for its independent merit 21:57:28 <Eddi|zuHause> and the VW was used as a means to gather money for these preparations 21:57:32 <fjb> ben_goodger: They spend far more money then they had. Germany was bankrupt within a few years. 21:57:41 <Eddi|zuHause> ben_goodger: was he actually convicted? 21:57:49 <ben_goodger> Eddi|zuHause: for first-degree murder, yes 21:58:06 <ben_goodger> he's planning to have it reduced to second-degree by locating her 21:58:16 <ln> fjb: than 21:58:42 <fjb> The motorway network was planed long before the Nazis took the country over. And it is a myth that they were build to prepere the war. 21:58:55 <fjb> ln: thanks. 22:00:27 <Eddi|zuHause> fjb: it's less myth than you think, e.g. a long straight stripe of Autobahn near Dessau was specially prepared without middle-stripe to be used as emergency landing and starting stripe for planes 22:00:36 <fjb> Henry Ford was a big fan of Hitler. He trained some of the VW engineers. 22:01:16 <Eddi|zuHause> well, ford did have car factories in germany since the 1920's 22:01:25 <ben_goodger> good for them. he was a good businessman 22:01:29 <Bjarni> <fjb> ben_goodger: They spend far more money then they had. Germany was bankrupt within a few years. <--- actually Germany arrested some businessmen because they tried to make personal profit on decreasing the economy in Germany. Today we can't say either way if it's true or not but we can say that it's likely not just due to one thing that they ended up having money problems 22:01:45 <Eddi|zuHause> Ford Germany recently celebrated 75 years 22:01:48 <fjb> Eddi|zuHause: Preparing motoways as emergency landing stripes is quite cmmon around the world. Especially peacefull countriss like Swizerland do this. 22:02:29 <ben_goodger> Bjarni: I think it's likely that the money problems occurred as a result of being continually attacked by multiple countries simultaneously over six years...though that may be completely the wrong time period 22:02:40 <Eddi|zuHause> well, they "unbuilt" that preparation on this segment meanwhile ;) 22:02:43 <ben_goodger> switzerland aren't peaceful 22:03:09 <svippy> Really? 22:03:13 <ben_goodger> they're neutral, not pacifists 22:03:13 <ben_goodger> every man over 25 is in the swiss national militia and keeps a loaded rifle in his home 22:03:18 <ben_goodger> ...according to a book I have 22:03:20 <fjb> ben_goodger: Germany was bankrupt before the war started. 22:03:25 <svippy> When was the last time I heard of something violent happening in Switzerland was... NEVER! 22:03:26 <Bjarni> Switzerland once attacked Liechtenstein 22:03:33 <ben_goodger> fjb: ah...but less bankrupt than in the 20s? 22:03:33 <Bjarni> and it was actually not long ago 22:03:34 <svippy> Finally. 22:03:41 <svippy> Something violent in Swiss history. 22:03:48 <Bjarni> the army was on training and got lost 22:03:54 <ben_goodger> heh 22:04:14 <ben_goodger> I reckon they should annex andorra 22:04:27 <svippy> I guess that's what happens when your maps have to be in German, French and Italian. 22:04:33 <Bjarni> when they figured out where they had ended up they were not in Switzerland anymore. Moving in with an army without telling anybody first usually means war 22:04:34 <Eddi|zuHause> svippy: switzerland shot down several german (and also british) planes during WWII that entered swiss air space (despite warings) 22:04:48 <Bjarni> they quickly returned though 22:04:55 <ben_goodger> see, neutral, not pacifists 22:04:57 <ben_goodger> like sweden. 22:05:00 <svippy> Indeed. 22:05:10 <fjb> ben_goodger: germany had economical problems in the 20s, like most other countries did. But it was not bankrupt. The Nazis made it bankrupt with in a few years. 22:05:44 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.166.74] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:05:58 <ben_goodger> fjb: very well...but you should write to the high school history book writers here, and have them corrected in that case 22:06:26 <Eddi|zuHause> fjb: germany's economy of the late '20s was built on american credits, the economy got in huge trouble when the american banks pulled back their fundings because of the crisis in the '30s 22:06:37 <Bjarni> ben_goodger: I don't think that's possible 22:06:52 <Eddi|zuHause> this was actually the basis of the rising of the nazi party 22:07:06 <ben_goodger> indeed. hyperinflation leads to the loss of democracy 22:07:12 <glx> <@Bjarni> Apple says that it's not entirely their fault because "why the fuck would IE execute a dll file just because it's on the desktop???" <-- I have read something about that, it will just spam the desktop 22:07:14 <Bjarni> you see some countries arrest people if they start arguing if anything about the nazis might be incorrect 22:07:18 <Eddi|zuHause> no, the hyperinflation was long before that 22:07:28 <fjb> Still Swizerland did not start a war after building motorways that can be turned into emergency landing stripes. 22:07:39 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.185.152] has joined #openttd 22:07:49 <Bjarni> fjb: maybe they are still preparing 22:07:54 <Bjarni> :P 22:07:59 <ben_goodger> heh 22:08:16 <ben_goodger> still, no matter what the history of various countries, we're all OK now, hopefully 22:08:16 <Eddi|zuHause> the hyperinflation was the cause of the american funding 22:08:46 <Eddi|zuHause> which created economic rising and political stability for about 5 years 22:08:51 <fjb> What will they conquer? Lichtenstein? 22:09:12 <Bjarni> France 22:09:20 <Bjarni> it's a sure win 22:09:20 <fjb> I doubt... 22:09:21 <ben_goodger> andorra, as I said 22:09:24 <Eddi|zuHause> fjb: switzerland is not allowed to start a war, because of the neutrality 22:09:43 <fjb> No country is allowed to start a war. 22:09:56 <Eddi|zuHause> apparently the US are ;) 22:09:58 <fjb> Some just don't care. 22:10:15 <ben_goodger> indeed 22:10:16 <fjb> The Us are the don't care case. 22:10:41 <ben_goodger> fjb: I think they do now, though 22:10:43 <Eddi|zuHause> anyway, the swiss neutrality is an international "law" since the peace of westphalia (1648) 22:10:45 <Bjarni> are you thinking of Iraq? 22:10:48 <ben_goodger> with gas rising above /gal... 22:11:00 <ben_goodger> of course, they forget that europeans typically pay more than 22:11:10 <Bjarni> they attacked Iraq due to false information from Israeli intelligence 22:11:16 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D787.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:11:22 <Eddi|zuHause> i can never compare these "gal" prices, what's that in liter? 22:11:52 <ben_goodger> about 50c, I think 22:11:53 <fjb> Bjarni: I doubt that. They planed to get the Oil under their control. 22:11:53 <SmatZ> Eddi|zuHause: google "1 gal in l" 22:11:58 <Bjarni> if you want cheap petrol then go to Panama 22:12:14 <Touqen> 1 gal is approximately 3 liters 22:12:23 <ben_goodger> 54 cents 22:12:26 <svippy> Google says: 4 (U.S. dollars per US gallon) = 0.679498559 Euros per litre 22:12:33 <ben_goodger> 54 cents a litre 22:12:58 <ben_goodger> svippy: interesting... it also says "4 (U.S. dollars / gal) = 0.565800675 Euros / litre" 22:13:14 <svippy> That's because you are doing it wrong. 22:13:37 <glx> that's cheap 22:13:41 <ben_goodger> ah, it seems to be using imperial gallons for some reason 22:13:41 <ben_goodger> ok, 68 cents per litre 22:13:48 <svippy> (4 U.S. dollars) per US gallon = 1.05668821 U.S. dollars per litre 22:13:53 <ben_goodger> and in the UK it's 1.46 euros 22:13:57 <SmatZ> google "3 usd / gal in euro / l" 22:13:57 <svippy> gal is imperial gallon, gallon is US gallon. 22:14:01 * SmatZ loves google calc :) 22:14:07 <svippy> You get wrong result, SmatZ. 22:14:11 <svippy> As I just pointed out. 22:14:15 <SmatZ> relly? 22:14:16 <SmatZ> sorry 22:14:22 <Eddi|zuHause> 1,50 (⬠/ l) = 8,8300408 US$ per US gallon <- that's what they cost around here 22:14:24 <Bjarni> <fjb> Bjarni: I doubt that. They planed to get the Oil under their control. <-- that something critics claimed afterwards. They acted on information from Israel that Iraq should have weapons of mass destruction and plans on using them against US interests. While the news talked about the new war in Iraq Israel started their own offensive against Palestine and the media didn't really talk about it 22:14:36 <ben_goodger> 1,50? you have my pity.... 22:14:54 <svippy> Pity? 22:14:59 <ben_goodger> sympathy? 22:15:01 <svippy> We don't need your pity. 22:15:05 <svippy> We are Europeans. 22:15:08 <svippy> We are fucking rich. 22:15:10 <SmatZ> :-D 22:15:10 <glx> we need less taxes ;) 22:15:11 <ben_goodger> I'm european too 22:15:21 <Bjarni> svippy: stop lying 22:15:21 <ben_goodger> in fact, I'm probably richer 22:15:34 <svippy> Hey, Bjarni, we live in the country that pays most taxes. 22:15:41 <svippy> And yet, I feel like I can afford it all. 22:15:41 <ben_goodger> svippy: where are you? 22:15:48 <svippy> Denmark. 22:15:53 <ben_goodger> ah 22:16:18 <ben_goodger> of course, diesel is up around 1.65 euro here 22:16:30 <ben_goodger> it's bloody stupid. diesel should cost _less_ than gasoline 22:16:54 <svippy> Why? 22:16:57 <Eddi|zuHause> well, 1,50 is relative, it tends to jump up and down about 10 ct during each week 22:17:05 <svippy> Diesel is fucking horrible to environment. 22:17:13 <ben_goodger> bollocks it is 22:17:19 <glx> and there's more demand for it 22:17:24 <Bjarni> <svippy> Hey, Bjarni, we live in the country that pays most taxes. <-- the taxes are so high that many people resort to cheat on taxes because it's simply not possible to get the work done with the current taxes 22:17:36 <svippy> Yeah, cheaters. 22:17:38 <svippy> Suckers. 22:17:44 <svippy> Traitors. 22:18:31 <Bjarni> I mean you need a new door. You pay somebody to install it. 20% of the bill is taxes. The company pays income taxes and the guy who did the work needs to get his paycheck too where he pays say 60% 22:18:55 <svippy> And? 22:19:07 <svippy> We get some great services in this country. 22:19:14 <Bjarni> combine those costs and you will see how many doors you donated to the state when you just needed one door yourself 22:19:15 <svippy> I know people keep saying there are problems. 22:19:22 <svippy> But that is because Denmark is a whiner nation. 22:19:30 <Bjarni> no 22:19:36 <svippy> We are. 22:19:40 <Bjarni> it's because service actually is poor 22:19:42 <Mchl> we are 22:19:57 <Bjarni> because money is wasted 22:20:12 <svippy> Denmark has some of the most efficient health care system in the world. 22:20:12 <Bjarni> the system is very inefficient 22:20:22 <svippy> According to several reports. 22:20:26 <svippy> It is not perfect. 22:20:36 <svippy> And it has lacks in certain areas that need being addressed. 22:20:38 <Bjarni> yet the risk of dying from say cancer is far greater than if you get cancer in say Sweden or Norway 22:20:59 <svippy> Yeah, because the risk of dying of boredom in Norway and Sweden overtakes that stat. 22:21:20 <Bjarni> that's a fucked up argument 22:21:25 <SmatZ> :-D 22:21:45 <svippy> You are realising I am not really taking this discussion *that* seriously? 22:21:48 * Bjarni notice that svippy wants to live on social welfare 22:21:55 <svippy> Not really. 22:23:12 <Bjarni> you use arguments like you want to do that 22:23:15 <svippy> I wonder what political view you have, Bjarni. 22:23:32 <svippy> Well, maybe because I do. 22:23:40 <svippy> Because I consider myself a socialist. 22:23:48 <SmatZ> http://www.politicalcompass.org/test Bjarni svippy take a test, and tell the results :) 22:23:50 <svippy> But often I am not interested in what my opinion is. 22:24:02 <svippy> I am often near Stalin, SmatZ. 22:24:10 <svippy> Or is it Gandhi? 22:24:13 <Bjarni> :D 22:24:18 <svippy> Damn passive aggressive. 22:24:18 <SmatZ> svippy: so am I 22:24:22 <Bjarni> you can't tell the difference? 22:24:29 <svippy> No, I can't remember. 22:24:58 <svippy> It may be Stalin. 22:25:05 <svippy> Despite the fact that I disagree with a lot of his ways. 22:25:41 <Wolf01> 'night 22:25:41 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host217-44-220-18.range217-44.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:25:41 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host252-233-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 22:25:51 <Wuisch> darnit you need an mba to get that junction building 22:25:57 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host217-44-220-18.range217-44.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 22:26:11 *** Chrill [~chrischri@c80-216-64-31.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 22:26:13 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-111-36.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [Quit: Caught sigterm, terminating...] 22:26:18 <Bjarni> there is now a worrying fusion of information and entertainment. <-- err... what kind of question is that? 22:26:47 <svippy> They are not questions. 22:26:49 <svippy> They are statements. 22:26:55 * Sacro plays Toilet Tycoon 22:26:59 <svippy> You describe whether you agree or disagree with them. 22:27:01 <SmatZ> :-x 22:27:04 *** bowman [johanf@81-226-229-179-no59.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:27:07 <Bjarni> that's not what I meant 22:27:09 <Bjarni> and you know that 22:27:14 <svippy> So, Sacro, how big is your Toilet Empire? 22:27:15 <fjb> Wuisch: You need YAPP. 22:27:23 <Sacro> svippy: not installed it yet 22:27:24 <svippy> Yeah, Sacro, you need YAPP too. 22:27:32 <Sacro> svippy: i have yapp 22:27:35 <Wuisch> How does yapp make it easier? 22:27:37 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:27:38 <Bjarni> Sacro: BBC once made a show where they tried to find the worst toilet in Britain... I bet you watched all of it 22:27:40 <SmatZ> Bjarni: answer if you agree/disagree with that statement 22:27:43 <svippy> So the excrement can find it way doing into the toilet, Sacro. 22:27:46 <Sacro> Bjarni: nope 22:27:53 <Sacro> svippy: several peices at once? 22:27:57 <Bjarni> I know what to do 22:28:00 <svippy> Yeah, it has pbs. 22:28:07 <Bjarni> but I wonder about the statement itself 22:28:14 <Bjarni> I find it an odd statement 22:28:26 <svippy> With YAPP, you can have several people use a toilet at once. 22:28:47 <ben_goodger> one designed to test your political stance on a two-dimensional scale of authoritarianism/libertarianism and communism/capitalism. 22:28:47 <ben_goodger> see, I did that from memory 22:28:48 <ben_goodger> I have a maths exam, so I'm going to bed. good night, europe 22:28:50 <ben_goodger> Recht und Freiheit! 22:28:55 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host217-44-220-18.range217-44.btcentralplus.com] has quit [] 22:29:24 <Tom0004> YAPP is another patch that as failed to make trunk, if i'm wrong then one of the devs please say 22:29:58 <Wuisch> But why is it better? 22:30:16 <svippy> Cause it will get you home. 22:30:58 <fjb> YAPP is still work in progress, not ready for trunk yet. 22:31:59 <Tom0004> look at all the PBS patches for OTTD they all failed at some jump if not too, i just feel this will follow the same road as the last ones 22:33:36 *** sunkan [sunkan@sunkan.bsnet.se] has quit [Quit: - nbs-irc 2.36 - www.nbs-irc.net -] 22:33:53 <fjb> Tom0004: Looks like you know more than the rest of us. 22:34:44 *** bowman [johanf@81-226-229-179-no59.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 22:35:08 <SmatZ> "all the PBS patches" ? 22:35:11 <Tom0004> well, i'm just going on the past, i don't see any DEVs jumping to the defence of YAPP 22:35:34 <Rubidium> SmatZ: yes, all 2 22:35:46 <SmatZ> :-) 22:36:06 *** Zahl [~Zahl@p549F1212.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: (~_~]"] 22:36:23 <Rubidium> someone thinking otherwise, please show the two that are not YAPP 22:37:01 <SmatZ> well, the one that was in OTTD and another one at tt-forums 22:37:13 *** sunkan [sunkan@sunkan.bsnet.se] has joined #openttd 22:40:32 <SmatZ> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=14154 this one 22:41:00 <Tom0004> thats been 3, MiniIN patch, Patch by wolfc, amd YAPP 22:41:28 <Tom0004> none have made offical trunk, and yet no one is jumping to defende YAPP 22:41:58 <SmatZ> hmm no it is a different patch (that link) 22:42:40 <SmatZ> PBS was in official trunk 22:43:27 <SmatZ> @openttd commit 2516 22:43:27 <DorpsGek> SmatZ: Commit by hackykid :: r2516 /trunk (30 files in 5 dirs) (2005-07-04 14:58:55 UTC) 22:43:28 <DorpsGek> SmatZ: - Feature: [pbs] Implement path-based-signalling. This allows multiple trains within the same signal block, provided their paths dont intersect. For this the block must have all exit and entry signals be pbs signals. Place these by ctrl-clicking 4 times on a normal signal. 22:43:30 <DorpsGek> SmatZ: - Feature: [pbs] Implement autoplacement of pbs blocks, when a block has an entry and an exit pbs signal, covert the entire block to pbs. Can be turned off in the patch settings. 22:43:31 <DorpsGek> SmatZ: - Feature: [pbs] Allow showing of reserved status by making the tracks darker, when the pbs debug level is at least 1. 22:44:35 <SmatZ> @openttd commit 3472 22:44:35 <DorpsGek> SmatZ: Commit by Darkvater :: r3472 /trunk (52 files in 5 dirs) (2006-01-29 18:57:26 UTC) 22:44:36 <DorpsGek> SmatZ: - [PBS] Remove from trunk. Anyone interested can still find it in branch/pbs. This reverts revisions r3158, r3140, r3075, r2977, r2674, r2625, r2621, r2529, r2528, r2525, r2524, r2519, r2517, r2516, r2507, r2499. (in conjunction with Tron) 22:44:37 <DorpsGek> SmatZ: - The only change is that the nsignalsw.grf file is kept and that existing nightlies with PBS signals get those signals converted to combo-signals. 22:44:59 <Bjarni> ok I'm done with that political compass thingie 22:45:17 <Bjarni> and the result is clear 22:45:22 <Bjarni> I discard the test as a reliable indicator 22:45:29 <SmatZ> :-) 22:45:34 <SmatZ> why? 22:45:38 <Eddi|zuHause> Your political compass 22:45:39 <Eddi|zuHause> Economic Left/Right: -1.75 22:45:39 <Eddi|zuHause> Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.97 22:45:50 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm almost a ghandi 22:46:36 <SmatZ> hehe 22:46:47 <Bjarni> <SmatZ> why? <-- it declared me a communist 22:46:54 <Bjarni> which is pretty far from the truth 22:47:15 <Bjarni> I mean 22:47:25 <Bjarni> we all know it didn't work 22:47:36 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:47:50 <Eddi|zuHause> "communism" != "real existing socialism" 22:47:52 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 22:47:59 <Bjarni> but I was about to discard it even before I saw the result 22:48:11 <SmatZ> lol 22:48:30 *** Tom0004 [~Tom@92.5.143.215] has left #openttd [] 22:48:52 * fjb wonders if Bjarni discards mirrors too... 22:48:55 <Bjarni> the statements were designed so I could see that if I claimed to agree with them then they presumed that I agree with something else but if I disagreed with them then I would answer the question incorrectly 22:49:03 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 22:49:33 <Bjarni> a test can't be better than the people who made it 22:50:39 <Bjarni> I once complained about an IQ test because the correct answers were incorrect and they had to admit that I was right 22:51:06 <fjb> Superbjarni 22:51:33 <Bjarni> :) 22:51:58 <Bjarni> actually I think politics are too complex for left-right talk 22:52:11 <Bjarni> here it's in 2D but still it's made somewhat simple 22:52:24 <Bjarni> way to simple compared to how complex it really is 22:52:40 <Bjarni> besides it assumes a lot of stuff 22:53:05 <SmatZ> Economic Left/Right: -7.75 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.21 22:53:07 <Bjarni> like liberalism and free marked/great economy are linked together 22:53:15 <Bjarni> but how about looking at China 22:53:26 <Bjarni> it's a one party system what you can't disagree with 22:53:33 <Bjarni> yet they have great growth 22:54:07 <Eddi|zuHause> one thing that political compass told me: i could almost never become a political leader, they all are on the other side... 22:54:28 *** tokai|ni [~tokai@p54B80BF3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: system is entering sleep mode] 22:54:38 <Bjarni> heh 22:55:22 <Bjarni> I can't be a politician because politics aren't about political views but who knows who 22:55:55 <Bjarni> and who is best at surviving backstabbing 22:56:01 <fjb> I can't be a politician, I'm too honest. 22:56:10 <Bjarni> oh and that too 22:56:45 <SmatZ> Eddi|zuHause: where did you read that? 22:57:13 <Eddi|zuHause> did you look at the picture at the bottom? 22:57:25 <Eddi|zuHause> all the world's leaders are on the authoritarian side 22:57:48 <Bjarni> on the night before the last election TV had live debate with all the parties. The TV station then said that they learned that only one party didn't change political views in the time between the date for the election was set and the election 22:57:59 <SmatZ> aha :) 22:57:59 <Bjarni> everybody else read opinion polls 22:58:29 *** Touqen [~stephen@c-98-216-253-146.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:59:10 <Bjarni> Eddi|zuHause: are you saying that you are an anarchist? 22:59:48 <Eddi|zuHause> no, i would not go that far ;) 23:00:42 <Bjarni> but are you all below the middle? 23:00:54 <SmatZ> [00:45:53] <Eddi|zuHause> Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.97 23:01:03 <SmatZ> it means bellow the middle 23:01:09 <SmatZ> 3/10 23:01:18 <SmatZ> *below 23:02:31 <Bjarni> <SmatZ> Economic Left/Right: -7.75 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.21 <-- looks like an anarchistic communist 23:02:53 *** GoneWacko [GoneWacko@86-60-148-44-dyn-dsl.ssp.fi] has quit [Quit: zzz] 23:02:58 <SmatZ> 1 Euro / l = 5.88972219 U.S. dollars / US gallon 23:03:12 <SmatZ> I don't think I was anarchist or communist 23:03:23 <SmatZ> I am just liberal 23:03:38 <Bjarni> -7.75 looks pretty red to me 23:03:52 <SmatZ> and for control of internatinal companies and monopols 23:04:07 <SmatZ> yeah more than I expected 23:04:12 <SmatZ> what were your results? 23:04:26 <Bjarni> Economic Left/Right: -3.88 23:04:26 <Bjarni> Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 5.18 23:04:27 <SmatZ> *gevernment control... 23:04:44 <Bjarni> I'm not sure that I agree with them though 23:05:07 <SmatZ> huh Authoritarian 23:05:11 * SmatZ runs 23:05:13 <SmatZ> :-) 23:05:38 <SmatZ> religious people are sure not liberal, so... 23:06:24 <Bjarni> I wouldn't consider myself strongly religious if that is what you mean 23:06:28 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:06:54 <SmatZ> there were many questions about sex, abortins, homosexuals, ... 23:07:34 <Bjarni> I consider that morale rather than religious issues 23:08:21 *** Touqen [~stephen@c-98-216-253-146.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 23:08:34 <Bjarni> like being against homosexual child adoption for the sake of the child don't need to have anything to do with religion 23:09:54 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@p5499EEE0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: dR3x4cK] 23:09:55 <SmatZ> I am liberal in means "nobody should care what you do unless you limit others" 23:10:29 <SmatZ> I don't think it is any better for children to grow in children's home 23:11:22 <Bjarni> maybe that's because you compare to what you see in Eastern Europe 23:11:40 <Wuisch> is there away to make the one way signals along an entire track easily? 23:11:46 <SmatZ> do you think you have worse homosexuals than we? 23:11:58 <SmatZ> Wuisch: ctrl + drag 23:12:15 <Wuisch> won't that make normal signals ? 23:12:16 <Bjarni> <SmatZ> do you think you have worse homosexuals than we? <-- I meant children's homes ;) 23:12:19 *** Lex [~lex@70.188-233-85.staticip.namesco.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:12:31 <Eddi|zuHause> Wuisch: no, it copies the first signal if it already exists 23:13:08 <SmatZ> Bjarni: I would like to see your children's homes then 23:13:09 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl51B7A1FD.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:13:11 <Wuisch> ahhh right thanks :) 23:13:21 <SmatZ> and statistics about criminality of youths who grew there 23:13:34 <SmatZ> and how many people take care about children there 23:13:53 <SmatZ> and how much "love" and "home" feelings they have 23:14:00 <Eddi|zuHause> i think keeping children in groups helps with building social contacts 23:14:34 <Bjarni> statistics aren't good but that's mainly because it's near impossible to remove children from bad parents so they do that when the police catches a 10 year old for the 10th time in a stolen car 23:14:38 <Eddi|zuHause> sure, there is no substitute to "home" and "parents" 23:14:44 <SmatZ> Eddi|zuHause: you don't have to grow in children's home to be in group with other children :-) 23:15:25 <Eddi|zuHause> it's all a matter of balance 23:15:54 <SmatZ> I think it is better to have family and loving parents, even when they are homosexual 23:16:15 <SmatZ> than to have bad parents, like Bjarni mentioned... 23:16:18 <Bjarni> I don't think any "normal" children end up in children's homes here 23:16:23 <Bjarni> I mean not for long 23:16:26 <SmatZ> or than to grow in children's house 23:16:45 <SmatZ> Bjarni: what about children whose mother gave up the child? 23:16:49 <SmatZ> because she was young 23:16:51 *** divoafx [~asd@x1-6-00-18-39-d3-e9-f6.k899.webspeed.dk] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.21 :: www.esnation.com )] 23:16:52 <SmatZ> didn't have money 23:16:53 <SmatZ> etc 23:17:26 <Bjarni> <SmatZ> Bjarni: what about children whose mother gave up the child? <-- we don't really have those 23:17:33 <Eddi|zuHause> those should go into psychological treatement 23:17:44 <Eddi|zuHause> the mothers i mean 23:18:02 <Bjarni> as svippy mentioned we have the highest tax in the world so there is tax money for poor single mothers 23:18:03 <Eddi|zuHause> and convinced to keep the child 23:19:01 <Eddi|zuHause> children should be kept with the biological parents as much as possible 23:19:21 <SmatZ> Bjarni: maybe you should try living here, maybe you would find Czech republic is nice, but of course you have to get used to it :) 23:19:27 <SmatZ> I am happy I live here 23:19:53 <Bjarni> to be honest I don't know Czech conditions very well 23:20:08 <Bjarni> but I think they are far better than Romania and Bulgaria 23:21:10 <Bjarni> <SmatZ> Bjarni: maybe you should try living here <-- I wouldn't be able to talk to anybody :s 23:22:27 <fjb> Bjarni: Sometimes even we don't understand you. 23:22:40 <Bjarni> :P 23:22:41 <SmatZ> it takes time to learn the language, you can use English at big cities, but I wouldn't bet on it :) 23:24:18 <Bjarni> I'm working together with a Polish at uni at the moment. He has been here for half a year and the other day he said that he has yet to find somebody who can't/won't speak English 23:24:34 * Sacro won't speak english 23:25:30 <SmatZ> Bjarni: well, if you knew Russian, you could speak with most older people, too 23:25:46 <SmatZ> and English with younger 23:31:01 *** Chrill [~chrischri@c80-216-64-31.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [] 23:31:23 <Bjarni> Russian can't be that tricky 23:31:32 <Bjarni> you just add "ski" at the end of all words 23:31:48 <Bjarni> :P 23:31:52 <SmatZ> hehe 23:33:38 <Sacro> thanksie veryski muchski budski 23:33:48 <Bjarni> Yuri might have something to say to me about such a statement though >_< 23:33:49 <Sacro> and that's bulgarian 23:34:46 *** bowman [johanf@81-226-229-179-no59.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [] 23:35:08 <Bjarni> Bulgarian? 23:35:28 <Bjarni> for all I know it could mean "die you son of a bitch" 23:36:27 <SmatZ> http://translate.google.com/translate_t?sl=en&tl=bg :-) 23:36:34 <Bjarni> some English writer got her book translated to Danish and she saw it and looked at it. She then complained to the translator because the last page had in big types "SLUT" 23:36:48 <Bjarni> she didn't want words like that in her book 23:36:56 <Bjarni> but it actually means "the end" 23:37:01 <SmatZ> :-D 23:38:07 * Sacro loves the London Underground Limited 23:38:42 <Bjarni> that's naturally 23:38:45 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:38:48 <Bjarni> you are pretty limited yourself 23:38:50 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has joined #openttd 23:38:51 * Bjarni hides 23:42:16 <SmatZ> any 8051 guru? 23:42:28 *** bowman [johanf@81-226-229-179-no59.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 23:43:30 <Bjarni> considering what else you can get in here I guess you might ask for me 23:44:05 <SmatZ> :-) 23:45:05 <SmatZ> there are data, bdata, idata, pdata, xdata and code memory types for Keil Cx51 compiler 23:45:09 <SmatZ> why so much? 23:45:27 <Bjarni> data is the internal memory 23:45:34 <Bjarni> xdata is external memory (slower) 23:45:36 <SmatZ> I understand there is bit memory, external memory, code (ROM) memory and data memory... 23:45:49 <Bjarni> ok so far so good :) 23:46:51 <SmatZ> well, what is pdata then? 23:46:58 <Bjarni> that's basically it. It tells where in the hardware you want to store something 23:47:03 <Bjarni> or read 23:47:08 <SmatZ> or are there any memory types that include external memory switching? 23:48:27 <SmatZ> I would understand 4, maybe 5 memory types... but I fail to understand what idata/pdata can be :) 23:50:56 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 23:50:56 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:50:58 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 23:51:07 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:51:07 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:59:52 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd