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Code cosmetics. 02:36:52 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:36:52 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 02:46:17 *** einKarl [~einKarl@91-65-234-54-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:00:37 *** Osai^zZz`off is now known as Osai 03:01:01 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i59F541FC.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 03:05:02 *** Touqen [~stephen@c-98-216-253-146.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:07:57 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F551A9.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:13:22 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: belugas * r13542 /trunk/src/toolbar_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Less a few more magic numbers and a code a bit more adaptable, still 03:20:16 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: belugas * r13543 /trunk/src/toolbar_gui.cpp: 03:20:16 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: -Codechange: Enumification of the InGame toolbar and some leftovers of scenario editor one. 03:20:16 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: Still more go do 03:20:26 <Belugas> and what if i'd go for some sleep now? 03:20:29 <Belugas> might be a good idea... 03:20:36 <Belugas> **plunk** 03:20:44 <murr4y> good work Belugas :> 03:20:48 <murr4y> 'night 03:27:10 *** TiberiusTeng_ [Tiberius@140.120.15.14] has joined #openttd 03:29:03 *** TiberiusTeng [~Tiberius@sbt.idv.tw] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:29:08 *** TiberiusTeng_ is now known as TiberiusTeng 03:30:45 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@p549F166A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 03:32:39 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 03:32:39 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:32:41 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 03:37:52 *** Zahl [~Zahl@p549F1DBA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:37:52 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 03:42:12 *** Osai is now known as Osai`off 03:48:30 *** Pikka [~PikkaBird@CPE-58-165-98-32.qld.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 03:51:21 *** Zahl 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"Is it [...]" 09:18:42 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.231.53] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:19:16 <Ammler> peter1138: "_pause_game = 1;" in source should pause it? And where should I include that in the source? 09:19:44 <Ammler> (the train which caused the assert 09:20:05 <Ammler> crashed in the loaded save) 09:25:28 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:25:37 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 09:29:16 *** TiberiusTeng [Tiberius@140.120.15.14] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:29:53 <Ammler> it seems, li 09:30:23 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 09:30:34 <Ammler> we hat that problem also before YAPP 09:30:45 <Ammler> signals won't go red right after tunnel. 09:32:49 <peter1138> that was fixed ages ago 09:32:53 <planetmaker> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellipse_%28figure_of_speech%29 <-- for reference for peter1138 :P 09:33:49 <peter1138> ... 09:34:10 <planetmaker> :D 09:34:26 <peter1138> ⊠09:34:47 <Ammler> peter1138: possible that YAPP brought it back? 09:34:48 <Ammler> http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/1038/pbscrashal0.png 09:35:04 *** dlunch [~dlunch@61.108.29.49] has joined #openttd 09:35:24 <peter1138> Ammler: that smells of a totally different bug 09:37:31 <Ammler> well, the crash is one thing, the other one is the assert. 09:37:49 <Ammler> but the v in the assert _is_ that train :-) 09:38:33 *** bowman [johanf@81-226-229-179-no59.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:54:12 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@p5499F466.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:57:37 *** Zealotus [~Ping@217-211-211-179-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 09:58:40 *** Slowpoke [Lobster@dslb-088-073-208-043.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 10:02:32 *** bowman [johanf@81-226-229-179-no59.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 10:13:21 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-142-196.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 10:13:29 *** Georgio [~strikinvi@66-90-252-188.dyn.grandenetworks.net] has joined #openttd 10:15:07 <dih> StaleDan is an annoying b.... 10:16:19 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 10:16:26 <Noldo> where? 10:17:03 <Noldo> oh, found it 10:18:12 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has left #openttd [] 10:18:32 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 10:19:19 <ln> more on-topic english: where does the phrase "news at eleven" come from? 10:24:11 <Rubidium> probably when someone said: "good evening, this is the news at eleven o'clock. Tonight we will talk about ..." 10:25:32 *** Slowpoke [Lobster@dslb-088-073-208-043.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 10:28:43 <ccfreak2k> It's typical (at least in America) for local TV stations to insert small video clips that tell the headline news story that will be shown that night. 10:29:51 <ln> hmm, yeah. and when someone says "news at eleven" outside TV, he wants to express .. something, but what? 10:32:47 <ccfreak2k> Usually it's a form of sarcasm. 10:33:02 <ccfreak2k> Expressing that whatever the person said was probably obvious. 10:33:39 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: richk * r13545 /branches/NewGRF_ports/ (243 files in 20 dirs): [NewGRF_ports] -Sync: with trunk r13281:13411. 10:34:31 <ccfreak2k> For example, when Intel demo'd raytracing on their CPUs, and announced that CPUs were the future of graphics, one might say "This just in: CPU company says CPUs are the future; more at eleven". 10:37:32 *** pasky [pasky@w241.dkm.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:38:58 <ln> ok, thanks for the explanation. 10:41:09 <peter1138> heh 10:41:33 <ln> something like what i suspected, but it's particularly hard to google for the meaning of such a phrase which is used so much in titles and such. 10:45:40 *** pavel1269 [~pavel.g@48.140.broadband2.iol.cz] has joined #openttd 10:45:58 <pavel1269> hi 10:49:02 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@user-54418bdb.lns1-c7.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 10:50:36 <Eddi|zuHause2> problem is that "news" in europe are rarely "at eleven" 10:51:00 <ccfreak2k> Well, it's the same state-side. 10:51:12 <ccfreak2k> FOX40 shows news at 22:00 here. 10:51:52 <Eddi|zuHause2> well, that might also be due to timezone offsets 10:52:23 *** pasky [pasky@2a01:b0:b0::] has joined #openttd 10:53:17 <Eddi|zuHause2> in germany, the (important) news are generally at 20:00, and then again after the evening program, which may vary between 21:30 and 23:30 11:04:36 <Mchl> 19:30 here 11:04:46 <Mchl> ahead of Germany as always :P 11:05:41 <peter1138> 6pm here nyar nyar 11:06:12 <Mchl> 6PM is for local channels... 11:06:29 <dih> a few channels in de do 1900 11:06:41 <peter1138> 6pm national, 6.30pm local, 7pm national on another channel, heh 11:07:10 <Mchl> hey! guess what? we've a channel that has news round the clock! 11:07:20 <dih> no kiddin' 11:07:29 <dih> hey - guess what 11:07:32 <peter1138> hey guess what 11:07:34 <peter1138> who cares 11:07:34 <dih> we have a channel that never shows any 11:07:58 <ln> we have a channel that shows news that aren't news. 11:08:27 <Mchl> lol 11:10:14 <Noldo> ln: which one? 11:10:41 <peter1138> history channel :) 11:12:12 <ln> Noldo: nelonen 11:12:37 <Sacro> sigh, gordon brown 11:14:04 <peter1138> texture like cum 11:14:38 <Gekz> CUM 11:21:27 *** fjb [~frank@p5485CFD0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:21:33 <fjb> Hello. 11:22:55 <SmatZ> hello 11:27:42 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:28:18 <ccfreak2k> The orders GUI in the SVN build is kind of confusing. 11:31:40 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77B4E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:35:07 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B755FC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:35:34 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 11:38:41 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B76B55.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:41:01 *** Zorn [zorn@e177112054.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 11:41:36 *** selle [~s@g221.ip7.netikka.fi] has joined #openttd 11:42:47 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77B4E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:46:32 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r13546 /branches/noai/src/ (3 files in 2 dirs): [NoAI] -Codechange: add support to pass arrays with integers to C++ functions. 11:48:22 *** Zorni [zorn@d137212.adsl.hansenet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:49:34 <Mchl> http://www.funpic.hu/en.picview.php?id=34362 11:49:48 <Mchl> bridges_over_everything 11:54:53 <peter1138> heh 11:56:53 <SmatZ> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a7/Nuselsky_most.jpg 11:56:58 <Eddi|zuHause2> <dih> a few channels in de do 1900 <- i said IMPORTANT news 11:57:28 <Eddi|zuHause2> (meaning: the "Tagesschau") 11:57:32 <fjb> peter1138: We need your patch. :) 11:57:51 <peter1138> SmatZ: that's an aqueduct right? 11:58:15 <SmatZ> peter1138: no... 11:58:16 <peter1138> it's a bit deep for just a road bridge 11:58:24 <SmatZ> there is a subway in it 11:58:30 <peter1138> hm 11:58:38 <peter1138> odd that it's enclosed underneath 11:58:53 *** divoafx [~asd@x1-6-00-18-39-d3-e9-f6.k899.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 11:59:05 *** divo [~asd@x1-6-00-18-39-d3-e9-f6.k899.webspeed.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:59:21 <SmatZ> hehe 11:59:39 <peter1138> fjb: the bridge/stations ones? 12:00:18 <fjb> Yes. 12:00:34 <Eddi|zuHause2> gives "living under the bridge" a completely new meaning :p 12:00:55 <peter1138> wonder if i can work for houses too 12:01:01 <peter1138> probably not, i think all the space got used 12:01:33 <Eddi|zuHause2> houses did specifically use the bridge bits because they cannot be bridged 12:02:33 <Eddi|zuHause2> but that bridge looks extremely wide for just having a road on it 12:02:36 <fjb> Bridges over stations / bus stops would be a great feature. Over houses would be even greater if it is possible. 12:03:25 <Eddi|zuHause2> problem with brige over houses is that each house needs a minimum bridge height that is allowed 12:03:49 <peter1138> same with stations 12:03:56 <Maedhros> that wouldn't be too difficult, i wouldn't have thought 12:03:59 <peter1138> the patch added that facility 12:04:22 <Maedhros> the problem with bridges over houses is that we'd have to add an m8, which seems a bit excessive for two bits 12:04:22 <Eddi|zuHause2> yes, but you need to define that for each (newgrf) house out there 12:04:38 <Ammler> the new grf specs could help to make bridges only buildable with a "special" high, can't? 12:04:58 <Maedhros> Eddi|zuHause2: yes, but that's defined by the house grf. if it isn't explicitly allowed, it's denied 12:20:51 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest400 12:20:51 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@pool-71-98-91-205.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 12:20:52 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 12:27:04 *** Guest400 [~Dale@pool-71-98-91-205.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:29:04 *** Zahl [~Zahl@p549F166A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 12:29:42 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest402 12:29:42 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@pool-71-98-91-205.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 12:29:43 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 12:30:16 <Ammler> Eddi|zuHause2: did you publish somewhere you GRF compiler? 12:30:37 <Ammler> or is it available somehow else? :-) 12:30:51 <Eddi|zuHause2> well, something like a "mini preview" version... it's in a thread called "newgrf description language (NDL)" or so 12:31:02 <Eddi|zuHause2> i haven't had time to develop it much further 12:31:37 <Eddi|zuHause2> it can basically set properties (action 0) and graphics (action 1/2/3) for train vehicles 12:32:13 <Eddi|zuHause2> it is easily extendible for other vehicles (aircraft, road, ship) 12:32:29 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 12:32:32 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:32:59 <Eddi|zuHause2> next planned step is varaction2 (functions) 12:34:20 <Eddi|zuHause2> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=35497 12:34:20 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:34:35 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 12:36:22 *** Guest402 [~Dale@pool-71-98-91-205.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:52:07 *** Osai`off is now known as Osai 12:56:02 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B74C0B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:59:52 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B76B55.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:00:16 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:06:56 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r13547 /branches/noai/src/ai/api/ (ai_road.cpp ai_road.hpp ai_road.hpp.sq): 13:06:56 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: [NoAI] -Add: functions to determine whether one can build connected roads given 13:06:56 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: a tile, entry and exit 'point' or an abstract representation of a tile with 13:06:56 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: entry and exit 'point'. Works on all valid slopes and it is aware of the 13:06:56 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: build_on_slopes configuration setting. 13:07:01 <guru3> http://guru3.net/temp/why_google_hates_ebay.png 13:08:02 *** michi_cc [166525b3e8@dude.icosahedron.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:08:29 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1BBF3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:10:34 *** michi_cc [b44bf88f26@dude.icosahedron.de] has joined #openttd 13:10:37 *** mode/#openttd [+v michi_cc] by ChanServ 13:13:29 *** Nite [~anonym@chello062178193175.3.15.vie.surfer.at] has joined #openttd 13:14:26 <Nite> hi 13:14:50 <Nite> does "min_players" only work on a dedicated server ??? 13:15:15 <Belugas> helllo 13:15:16 <Belugas> duno 13:15:19 <Belugas> no clue 13:15:21 <Belugas> no idea 13:16:01 <glx> yes 13:16:02 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:16:08 <Nite> well it doesent work for the small nondedicated server i set up 13:16:11 <glx> it's for "auto pause" 13:16:23 <Nite> ? 13:16:24 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 13:16:36 <Nite> yes - what? 13:16:51 <glx> it works only for dedicated servers 13:17:22 <Nite> ok thx 13:17:48 <Nite> and whats about this "auto pause" there is no such command afaik 13:17:51 <peter1138> doesn't need to be 13:18:21 <glx> the game auto pauses when there are less players than min_players 13:18:37 <Nite> thx cleared that 13:18:48 <Belugas> and bythe way, hello to you all 13:19:13 <planetmaker> hello Belugas :) 13:22:16 <Nite> do i need a seperate "game directory" for a dedicated server - or can i start it from the same directory (and exe) i will use for playing on other servers the same time ? 13:22:28 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: richk * r13548 /branches/NewGRF_ports/ (80 files in 13 dirs): [NewGRF_ports] -Sync: with trunk r13412:13544. 13:22:56 <Belugas> GO RICHK GO! 13:23:42 <planetmaker> Nite: you can use the same 13:23:56 <Nite> cool 13:24:16 <Nite> so its all loaded in mem 13:24:55 <planetmaker> the difference is that a dedicated doesn't come with any gui. So call it with "openttd -D" 13:25:46 <Nite> wired 13:26:20 <Nite> wehn i use "-d" it starts the dedicatet command line window AND the normal ottd startup 13:26:45 <glx> -d is debug 13:26:47 <Nite> when i quit the ottd window it also quits the dedicated server command line. 13:26:49 <glx> -D is dedicated 13:26:55 <Nite> ahhh 13:27:27 <planetmaker> :) 13:28:25 <Nite> ok now i cant type as fast as i get the status messages in the dedicated window 13:28:35 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@adsl-58.36.Static.ssp.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:32:17 <Nite> anyone use the junkers newgrf? 13:33:01 <Nite> (i use it with av8; set the parameter 29 for junkers) 13:33:57 <Belugas> junkers? 13:34:05 <Belugas> somebody did a trash grf? 13:34:42 <Nite> junkers ju52 13:34:46 <Nite> trash? 13:34:49 *** selle [~s@g221.ip7.netikka.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:34:52 <Belugas> garbage 13:34:57 <Nite> why so? 13:35:00 <Belugas> junk -> junker 13:35:08 *** d-st [~s@g221.ip7.netikka.fi] has joined #openttd 13:35:09 <Nite> its a plane ... 13:35:20 <Nite> singel plane with variable id ... 13:35:23 <Belugas> :) 13:35:34 <Belugas> looks like i learned yet another thing ;) 13:35:56 <Nite> nah u alredy knew ... x) 13:36:57 <Belugas> no... honestly... i though junker was a junk collector 13:37:05 <Belugas> deduced, actually... 13:37:51 <Nite> http://grfcrawler.tt-forums.net/details.php?do=details&id=190 13:41:59 <Nite> can i stop teh dedicated window from reporting "dbg:" messages or anything at all? 13:42:10 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: richk * r13549 /branches/NewGRF_ports/src/station_cmd.cpp: 13:42:10 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: [NewGRF_ports] -Change: Make recolouring of groundtile (0x0f80) specific to NewGRF_ports only. 13:42:10 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: Also base groundsprite on airport_tile of station. This prevents mixed colour groundtiles in an airport. 13:43:49 <glx> Nite: debug_level net0 13:43:58 <Nite> thx ! 13:45:18 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 13:46:37 <Nite> ok messages are popping up faster tahn i can type "debug_level" 13:46:50 <Nite> how does everybody do this ? 13:47:22 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@adsl-58.35.Static.ssp.fi] has joined #openttd 13:47:38 <Nite> bahw no w im writing in the middle of all that mesages 13:47:43 <Nite> clear does nothing 13:48:21 <Belugas> can you pause the game? would that help? 13:48:25 <Belugas> dunno, just an idea... 13:48:31 *** Touqen [~stephen@c-98-216-253-146.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 13:49:36 <Nite> well its "debug_level net=0" 13:50:06 <glx> doesn't matter if what you type is mixed with what openttd outputs 13:50:18 <Nite> teh dedicated window is just litel wired ... 13:50:35 <glx> just type debug_level net0 13:50:36 <Nite> got hang of it 13:51:09 <Nite> no its "debug_level net =0" with an "=" 13:51:17 <Nite> net=0 13:51:25 <glx> = is optional 13:51:36 <Nite> it didnt work without it for me 13:52:03 <Nite> promptet me to use = 13:52:13 <glx> weird it works for me 13:53:01 <Nite> using linux? 13:53:05 <glx> windows 13:53:09 <Nite> im on xp to 13:53:34 <glx> net0 without space works 13:53:50 <Nite> well it gave me the copmmand usage help when i used "net 0) 13:54:01 <glx> remove the space 13:54:05 <Nite> clear does nothing 13:54:27 <Nite> i used it without space then it says "command or var not found" or the like 13:54:55 <Nite> 061? 13:55:11 *** Digitalfox [~Digitalfo@bl10-67-186.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 13:55:20 <glx> trunk, but it's like that since ages 13:56:34 <Nite> ok works now for me 13:56:49 <Nite> guess i did it wrong because of all thet mess on screen 13:57:04 <glx> yes you need to blind type 13:58:32 <Nite> well at least i guess i remember that command now ;) 13:58:44 * DorpsGek smiles 14:04:45 *** blathijs [~matthijs@katherina.student.ipv6.utwente.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:08:09 <Georgio> dosent this hav multiplayer... 14:10:49 <Nite> is this question serious? 14:11:27 <Belugas> little stupid question, what is next to "Show Signs" in the option menu? It's about waypoints, byt i can't remember and i can't open ottd 14:12:06 *** blathijs [~matthijs@katherina.student.utwente.nl] has joined #openttd 14:12:54 <dih> hey Belugas 14:13:07 <Nite> dunno what youmean 14:13:20 <glx> Belugas: "Waypoints displayed" 14:13:35 <Belugas> thanks glx :) 14:13:59 <Belugas> but... is it name of waypoint or really waypoint shown been toggled off/on? 14:14:27 <Nite> it says "displayed" 14:14:33 <glx> names 14:14:47 <Belugas> perfect :) 14:14:57 <Belugas> been a while since i've opened that menu :S 14:15:12 <Nite> so it should read "waypoint names displayed" 14:15:21 <Belugas> i guess so :) 14:15:26 <Nite> why cant u open it? 14:15:56 <glx> Nite: but then the text will overflow 14:16:49 <Belugas> Nite, work@work 14:17:00 <Belugas> not a good idea to open OpenTTD ;P 14:17:16 <Nite> but chatting on irc though ;) 14:17:36 <Belugas> glx, maybe we would need a way to adapt menu to lenght of text 14:17:38 <Belugas> or soemthing 14:17:55 <Belugas> Nite, indeed, text in a window is still text, no mater what it is 14:18:04 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:18:09 <Belugas> but a train going up and down a hill is hardter to explain 14:18:13 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 14:18:18 <dih> :-P 14:18:30 <dih> Belugas: write an ascii video driver :-P 14:18:52 <glx> Belugas: it's a screensaver ;) 14:20:05 <Belugas> lol 14:20:08 <Belugas> yeah :D 14:20:59 <Maedhros> but that implies that you're not doing anything at all ;) 14:21:18 <Belugas> most of the time, i'm watching anyway... 14:21:19 <Belugas> so... 14:24:09 <Nite> the question "what do you work?" is hard to supress. 14:24:38 <Rubidium> dih: use aalib + sdl 14:28:20 *** shodan [~user@ppp101-219.static.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: Client Exiting] 14:31:04 <Georgio> omfg im confused 14:31:11 <Georgio> i dont get it 14:31:25 <Nite> what? 14:31:26 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.230.1] has joined #openttd 14:34:02 <Georgio> multiplayer 14:34:06 <Georgio> ima confused 14:34:23 <planetmaker> generally it helps to talk to the people you play with :P 14:34:29 <Georgio> i dont 14:34:39 <Georgio> i jus got it yesterday 14:34:51 <Nite> which server are u on? 14:34:54 <Georgio> i played it once 14:34:59 <Georgio> idk 14:35:09 <Georgio> i got owen TTD 14:35:19 <Nite> open 14:35:24 <Georgio> and windows patch 14:35:34 <Georgio> i got TTDX 14:35:39 <Georgio> oh 14:35:44 <Georgio> zomg 14:35:44 <Nite> already installed? 14:35:56 <Georgio> i got wrong thing right -.- 14:36:00 <Georgio> yes 14:36:05 <Georgio> i played it once 14:36:18 <Nite> so whats confusing you then? 14:36:34 <Georgio> idk 14:36:46 <Georgio> i never played multiplayer though 14:37:20 <Nite> and now you want to play multiplayer? 14:37:44 <Georgio> yes 14:37:48 <Georgio> alots 14:38:09 <Georgio> im opening it in windowed so i can chat 14:38:19 <planetmaker> you can even chat ingame. 14:38:43 <Nite> well i guess you have alredy found the "multiplayer" button then ? 14:39:46 <Georgio> all i see in the menu is new game scenario load game play scenario 1 player 2 player and 4 option buttons 14:39:59 <glx> you are not using openttd 14:40:10 <Georgio> i know 14:40:21 <Nite> openttd.org 14:40:21 <Georgio> i got TTDX 14:40:23 <planetmaker> then: why ask in #openttd channel ? 14:40:29 <Georgio> zomg 14:40:31 <glx> try #tycoon 14:40:33 <Georgio> im confused 14:40:43 <Nite> what does "zomg" mean 14:41:10 <Nite> ? 14:41:13 <Georgio> oh my god and z is just there 14:41:17 <peter1138> possibly the same as "im" 14:41:28 <Nite> i guess hes really hevyly confused 14:41:52 <Georgio> i just moved from moscow four weeks ago 14:41:56 <Nite> well maybe you try getting on teh openttd.org website and get the newest install (0.6.1) from there 14:41:56 <Georgio> to US 14:42:31 <planetmaker> then I'd be confused, too :) 14:42:34 <Nite> multiplayer is yust a few clocks from there 14:43:05 <Nite> yeah that can cause confusion- but would i mind playing ottd then ? ;) 14:43:19 <Nite> (clicks sry) 14:43:39 <Georgio> i clicked download instaler 14:43:45 <Georgio> nothing happened 14:44:17 <Nite> you are aware how to do downloads arent you? 14:44:36 <Georgio> it went nvm it was going slow 14:44:54 <Nite> nvm? 14:45:14 <Georgio> nevermind-nvm 14:45:21 <peter1138> NeVer Mind or something 14:45:35 <Nite> ok 14:46:18 <Georgio> sory i was on online browser games for along time so i could learn english and i learned leetspeak 14:46:21 <Georgio> lol 14:46:35 <Georgio> leetspeak=text chat 14:46:56 <Nite> we know 14:47:25 <glx> we know and we don't like ;) 14:47:35 <Georgio> -.- 14:47:55 <pavel1269> why we dont like? 14:48:09 <pavel1269> w3 lov it! 14:48:16 <Georgio> my name is surprisingly close to a itallian cologne maker 14:48:25 <Georgio> omg 14:49:23 <fjb> That would really worry me. 14:50:09 <Nite> what do you make whwen you make "cologne" ? 14:51:24 <Georgio> like guys purfume 14:51:31 <Georgio> purfume for guys 14:51:33 <Georgio> lol 14:51:39 <dih> Georgio: stop the drugs! 14:51:49 <Georgio> supposed to make you smell better 14:52:01 <dih> drugs dont help ya at all 14:52:02 <Georgio> HOW DO I SHUT UP THE MUSIC 14:52:09 <Nite> ok armani ... 14:52:11 <dih> how about not shouting around! 14:52:13 <dih> man 14:52:20 <dih> unplug your speakers 14:52:25 <dih> duh 14:52:26 <Nite> the notes icon 14:52:27 <Georgio> my last name is aramani 14:52:28 <planetmaker> there's certainly a power button somewhere :) 14:52:32 <Dred_furst> Hey 14:52:48 <Nite> no it isnt ;P 14:52:52 <planetmaker> within OpenTTD, the right most menu button. 14:52:54 <dih> 16:52 < Georgio> my last name is aramani <- does not mean you cannot get a grip on yourself 14:53:13 <Georgio> hey 14:53:16 <Georgio> no 14:53:18 <Georgio> ok 14:53:39 <Georgio> im at multiplayer screen and it dont show anything 14:53:49 <dih> then look at all the buttons 14:53:50 <dih> uh 14:53:52 <dih> hey, 14:53:53 <glx> start a game first 14:53:56 <planetmaker> hehe :)^ 14:54:07 <Georgio> start server button? 14:54:07 <dih> how about strolling over to wiki.openttd.org 14:54:20 <Georgio> whats wiki 14:54:22 <Nite> no not start server 14:54:23 <dih> and read the Gameplay manual 14:54:30 <Georgio> zomg 14:54:35 <Nite> FIND server 14:54:35 <Georgio> i found severs 14:54:41 <dih> good 14:54:44 <dih> then read the wiki 14:54:48 <Nite> join server 14:54:51 <dih> and ask a question that is _not_ mentioned there 14:54:53 <Dred_furst> So whats up 14:55:10 <Nite> read the wiki only after extreme frustration ? ;) 14:55:12 <planetmaker> apple pie. 14:55:17 <Georgio> ok i see servers but i want to join one where some one can show mee the ropes of this game 14:55:21 <Georgio> plzzz 14:55:35 <dih> RTFW 14:55:40 <dih> (read the fucking wiki) 14:55:47 <Georgio> hey 14:55:51 <Nite> hey he is asking for some human support 14:55:51 <dih> no 'hey' 14:55:52 <Georgio> none of that 14:55:59 <dih> it's all there 14:56:14 <Nite> wiki is last resort 14:56:20 <Nite> for me 2 14:56:21 <dih> you think people write those pages so they can read it when someone asks a question? 14:56:28 <Nite> i like to chat with humans 14:56:29 <Georgio> i know how to run the game but i want to join a server if some one in this channel is in it 14:56:36 <dih> here's an idea: how about the person with the question reads it :-P 14:57:07 <Georgio> i know how to join and build stuff 14:57:27 <dih> http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Multiplayer 14:57:35 <Georgio> omg 14:57:47 <Georgio> nevermind 14:57:47 <Nite> i even found a russian server some days ago 14:57:55 <Georgio> lol 14:58:07 <Georgio> i see one right now 14:58:17 <Nite> guess u se chinese server 14:58:18 <Georgio> my white blue red flag 14:58:30 <Georgio> yes 14:58:44 <Nite> but its 060 14:58:57 <Georgio> plz 14:59:00 <Georgio> ? 14:59:05 <Georgio> wrong channel 14:59:19 <Dred_furst> so yeah where is a good place to talk about openttd development 14:59:43 <Georgio> can you make a server nite? 14:59:52 <planetmaker> Dred_furst: here 15:00:12 <Nite> i could but there are already enough there for neebs 15:00:15 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 15:00:17 <Dred_furst> ah okay 15:00:21 <Georgio> ok 15:00:32 <Dred_furst> I had a few ideas for extending newgrfs a bit 15:00:34 <dih> Nite: neebs? hehe :-P 15:00:51 <Georgio> uhm are you joined in one server? 15:00:56 <Dred_furst> like make a second graphics system that is a lot easier to develop for but with the same features 15:01:05 <Nite> yeah but it uses newgrfs 15:01:22 <Dred_furst> write a new loader for a different file format? 15:01:22 <Georgio> aww ok 15:01:26 <Dred_furst> or another loader? 15:01:29 <Dred_furst> even 15:01:43 <Nite> is generic tram set included ottd? 15:01:54 <Dred_furst> not afaik 15:02:06 <Yexo> Nite: it is since 0.6.0 15:02:49 <planetmaker> Dred_furst: the problem is, that then grfs will be needed to be developed seperatedly for TTDP & OpenTTD. Probably too much hassle for many 15:03:37 <Georgio> zomfg lolsdgadf 15:03:38 <Dred_furst> whilst this is true, it could prove advantageous to the openttd project in the long term. after all openttd is not just TTD with TTDpatch anymore is it. 15:03:47 <Georgio> how do i chat ingame 15:03:47 <dih> what's wrong wrong with the current handling? 15:03:55 <peter1138> it never was TTD with TTDPatch 15:04:00 <Dred_furst> I cant stand having to write GRFs in hexadecimal 15:04:01 <Nite> enter 15:04:01 <planetmaker> Georgio: press enter. And read the wiki 15:04:03 <dih> Georgio: may i be so kind as to point at the wiki? 15:04:07 <dih> READ IT 15:04:26 <Georgio> omg im gonna ignore you lol 15:04:29 <Dred_furst> hell even an encoder that does the same thing but from an XML file would be less painful 15:04:39 <Nite> is this a chatroom or what 15:04:41 <Dred_furst> Georgio, seriously RTFM, it saves stupid questions 15:04:47 <planetmaker> Dred_furst: indeed. There is, AFAIK, some work by Eddi|zuHause who started a higher level grf coder 15:04:57 <Dred_furst> Hm 15:05:07 <Nite> well please all read and post in the wiki and do not chat here! 15:05:17 <DaleStan> Dred_furst: Then write an XML description and an program that can encode it. 15:05:22 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 15:05:26 <dih> Georgio: point being, it's all documented, you have been pointed to the wiki multiple times, if you dont show any kind of activity in trying to find the information you are asking for yourself, and only want it predigested and shoved down your throat, people are less interested in helping you 15:05:28 <Dred_furst> to be honest I would rather not delve into the GRF format but I could investigate the current standard more and try and work out a conversion tool to the current standard 15:05:38 <DaleStan> *rummage* 15:05:41 <DaleStan> <peter1138> there is a reason it's not in xml 15:05:42 <DaleStan> <peter1138> anyone who takes the time to fully understand the system so they can write an xml structure realises it's not worth it 15:06:17 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:06:17 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 15:06:24 <Dred_furst> from what I have learnt from writing a few trains so far is that it has actions which describe set things 15:06:33 <dih> DaleStan: those were the most helpful lines from you i have ever seen (being serious here) ;-) 15:07:00 <DaleStan> Remember, NFO has a web-based structure, not a tree-based structure. 15:07:04 <Nite> ill start a neebs server georgio - i have to get a hang of dedicated servers anyway 15:07:17 <Georgio> ok ty 15:07:35 <Georgio> i9 joined a server and they kikd me for bieng a first timer 15:07:48 <Nite> and here is the first problem how do i have differenbt settings for 2 servers ... 15:08:13 <Noldo> give different confs as a commandlne parameter 15:08:16 <Georgio> omg 15:08:28 <Georgio> i keep getting disconected 15:08:29 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.230.1] has quit [Quit: ecke] 15:08:32 <Dred_furst> DaleStan, you could write a program that automatically generates a current grf spec file right? 15:08:54 <DaleStan> Define "spec file". 15:09:00 <Dred_furst> the .nfo 15:09:16 <Nite> well now im going to wiki 15:09:41 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.230.1] has joined #openttd 15:09:51 <Dred_furst> you would be better off describing the objects you are altering and replacing rather than actions, 15:09:57 <Nite> guess a second otttd directory would do also 15:10:15 <DaleStan> Dred_furst: Variational Action 2. 15:10:44 <Dred_furst> when converting to the .nfo you could insert action 2 lines as specified 15:10:47 <DaleStan> Do that one first. Then deal with action 0. Action 0 is easy to XMLify. 15:10:53 *** Fopper [~Fopper@cc921592-a.ensch1.ov.home.nl] has left #openttd [Ex-Chat] 15:11:18 <Dred_furst> the main thing I don't understand about action 2 is cargo ID's, what do these do? 15:11:23 <ccfreak2k> Uh oh. 15:11:29 <Dred_furst> hey ccfreak2k 15:11:29 <ccfreak2k> I managed to get a deadlock with YAPP. 15:11:40 <dih> on which server? 15:11:44 <ccfreak2k> Single player. 15:11:46 <dih> k 15:11:49 <planetmaker> ^ it's easy, if you signal wrongly 15:12:35 <planetmaker> |ssss-<------- 15:12:50 <planetmaker> | = end of line, sss = station < = pbs signal 15:13:01 <dih> cute :-P 15:13:22 <DaleStan> Dred_furst: They are pointers to any previously defined action 2, be it standard, variational, or random. 15:14:04 <Nite> brb 15:16:01 *** Boyinblue0 [~admin@5ac37eb8.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 15:17:05 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 15:20:42 <Dred_furst> Hm 15:21:31 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:22:00 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 15:24:15 <Dred_furst> so what exactly is a variational action 2? 15:25:30 <Dred_furst> oh I see 15:25:32 <Rubidium> basically a kind of scripting language 15:25:51 *** mikl [~mikl@81-232-111-34-no16.business.telia.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 15:26:06 <Nite> found server georgio? 15:28:17 *** Boyinblue0 [~admin@5ac37eb8.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:28:56 *** Boyinblue0 [~admin@5ac85a48.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 15:34:36 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-142-196.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: und weg] 15:35:11 <Nite> any reason why 060 is still used 15:35:14 <Nite> ? 15:35:19 <dih> ? 15:35:25 <dih> why should it not be? 15:35:37 <Nite> because there is 061 ;) 15:35:43 * dih simply never got around to upgrading his server 15:36:50 <dih> actually i might take it down 15:37:04 <dih> someone else was supposed to take care of it 15:37:07 <peter1138> tip: a 'cargo id' has absolutely nothing to do with cargo 15:37:24 <Noldo> what? 15:37:41 <peter1138> 16:10 Dred_furst> the main thing I don't understand about action 2 is cargo ID's, what do these do? 15:37:42 <glx> originally it had 15:39:37 <Dred_furst> Hm okay 15:39:56 <Ammler> is there any plans, if yapp will be go in trunk to make those compatible with the current signals, or have you then to decide, which type you like to use? 15:40:18 <Ammler> are 15:40:45 <peter1138> wjat 15:40:47 <peter1138> what? 15:41:26 <dih> peter1138: no feeding him! 15:41:42 *** Ammler [~Ammler@members.openttdcoop.org] has left #openttd [] 15:43:51 *** Marduuhin [~Marduuhin@84-50-162-151-dsl.rgu.estpak.ee] has joined #openttd 15:44:34 *** Priit [Priit@pc171.host2.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 15:44:45 <Dred_furst> DaleStan: Remember, NFO has a web-based structure, not a tree-based structure. 15:44:49 <Dred_furst> How do you mean? 15:45:21 <Dred_furst> from what I see it is a list of sprites followed by a ton of descriptors 15:46:23 <DaleStan> Each action 2 can reference and be referenced by multiple action 2s. 15:46:53 <Dred_furst> so an action two can modify an existing action2? 15:47:21 <peter1138> no 15:47:25 <DaleStan> I said "reference". If I'd meant "modify", I'd have said "modify". 15:47:26 <peter1138> it's a chain 15:47:35 <peter1138> though i don't see why it's not a tree 15:47:40 <Dred_furst> oh, sorry, basically its like a filter 15:47:52 <peter1138> you can't link future action2a 15:48:07 <Dred_furst> so it has to be done in reverse? 15:48:16 <peter1138> well yeah 15:48:22 <peter1138> you start at the result and code it backwards 15:48:27 <Dred_furst> Okay 15:48:39 <DaleStan> You (or at least I) often have ten or more distinct paths from the action 3 to six or fewer standard action 2s. 15:48:40 <Dred_furst> so am I right in thinking its a system of applying filters? 15:49:07 <DaleStan> That doesn't sound like a tree to me. Trees don't usually have joins. 15:49:18 <Dred_furst> its an upside down tree 15:49:21 <Dred_furst> thats what it sounds like 15:49:35 <DaleStan> An upside down tree where some nodes have multiple parents. 15:49:47 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@adsl-58.35.Static.ssp.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:49:57 <Dred_furst> Hm 15:50:15 <Rubidium> isn't it more like a directed acyclic graph? 15:50:18 <Dred_furst> Would probably be best to keep elements like that external to the trains 15:50:35 <DaleStan> And now I need to go -- Real Life calls. 15:51:06 <Dred_furst> to be honest I have never touched action2's or action3's past what the basic tutorial tought me 15:55:21 <Dred_furst> so what is the cargo ID actually used for? 15:55:40 <Dred_furst> to define unique action 2's? 15:57:10 <Rubidium> to reference other action2s 15:57:20 <Dred_furst> ok 15:57:38 <Maedhros> specifically the most recently defined action 2 with that id 15:57:45 <Dred_furst> Okay 15:57:56 <Dred_furst> that makes it easier 15:59:08 * Belugas listens to The Good Soldier 16:03:47 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 16:03:47 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:03:49 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 16:05:34 *** Genesis1971 [~Genesis19@host81-152-221-116.range81-152.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 16:06:13 <Genesis1971> help how do convert train track to electric 16:06:54 <Nite> there is a tool for it in the railway construction menu 16:06:59 <Nite> yust drag ist 16:11:04 *** Genesis1971 [~Genesis19@host81-152-221-116.range81-152.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 16:11:14 <SmatZ> :-P 16:11:31 <SmatZ> what a nice person :) 16:13:36 <Nite> some intresting server at the moment ? 16:14:55 <Nite> im at speedygonzles goal server 16:18:46 <Eddi|zuHause> <Belugas> junkers? <- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugo_Junkers 16:27:56 *** gregor_ [~gregor@xdsl-87-78-35-113.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 16:33:30 <Georgio> hey i joined a serv nite 16:33:30 *** Mchl [~mchlpl@abed19.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:33:39 <Georgio> ive been there for awhile 16:34:18 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: belugas * r13550 /trunk/src/toolbar_gui.cpp: -Fix(r13540, r13542): widget_count did not had the same value as 27. So, it has to be lowered by one, so it can be used as a widget "pointer" 16:35:29 *** mode/#openttd [+o orudge] by ChanServ 16:36:30 <Eddi|zuHause> every time someone mentions XML, a good programmer dies 16:37:00 <Prof_Frink> while :; do echo XML; done 16:38:51 <Eddi|zuHause> not as bad as mentioning Word, though ;) 16:38:57 <SpComb> what about Hurd? 16:39:35 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A6150.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:39:46 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:40:24 <Nite> so you learned the basics georgio ... 16:44:14 *** Mchl [~mchlpl@abeb156.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 16:45:36 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 16:45:36 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:45:38 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 16:48:44 *** GoneWacko [GoneWacko@86-60-151-172-dyn-dsl.ssp.fi] has joined #openttd 16:49:51 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.230.1] has quit [Quit: ecke] 16:53:55 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 16:58:02 *** Georgio [~strikinvi@66-90-252-188.dyn.grandenetworks.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:59:55 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d000811.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 17:00:17 *** gregor_ [~gregor@xdsl-87-78-35-113.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: gregor_] 17:02:17 *** tokai|ni [~tokai@p54B8370E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:03:35 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.230.1] has joined #openttd 17:04:01 *** tokai|ni [~tokai@p54B82E57.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 17:08:13 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 17:08:13 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:08:15 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 17:09:40 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host252-233-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 17:10:08 <Wolf01> hello 17:16:20 <Belugas> hey Wolf01 17:16:25 <Wolf01> hi Belugas 17:16:31 <Nite> hi 17:16:53 <Wolf01> I want to download firefox 3!!!! but I can't, servers are busy :( 17:17:06 <Prof_Frink> s/busy/melted/ 17:17:37 <Prof_Frink> That datacentre explosion t'other week was a trial run. 17:17:49 <Wolf01> Why they didn't ask google for some bandwidth? 17:17:57 <Wolf01> *didn't they :D 17:18:50 <glx> same here Wolf01 17:19:11 <Nite> cant even update my ff3 beta 17:19:20 <Belugas> wait a bit, it will be available soon :) 17:19:56 <glx> we have only 24h to do it 17:20:11 <Wolf01> they won't reach the world record.. not because there aren't enough people who want to download, but because is phisically impossible to download it!!! 17:20:12 <glx> (for the world record) 17:22:26 *** Boyinblue0 [~admin@5ac85a48.bb.sky.com] has quit [] 17:23:31 <Mchl> it's strange but ubuntu said it upgraded to 3.0 two days ago 17:25:28 <Wolf01> beta 3 17:25:35 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: smatz * r13551 /trunk/src/ (4 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: store offsets to different zoom levels in a distinguished struct instead in the data stream for 8bpp-optimized 17:25:42 <ccfreak2k> Oh, Mozilla Firefox 3 is supposed to be released today? 17:25:59 <Prof_Frink> ccfreak2k: It is released, but you can't get at it. 17:26:05 <hylje> torrent 17:26:06 <ccfreak2k> Since I run Slackware, I won't see a package for it for another six months. :| 17:28:03 <Mchl> Wolf01: not beta 3, Ubuntu 8.05 comes with FF3b5, and rigt after installation it upgraded to 3.0 (or said so) 17:29:10 <Wolf01> Really strange, 2 days ago I updated ubuntu 8.04 to 8.05 and FF said beta 3 17:29:46 <peter1138> mine says 3.0 17:29:48 <Nite> 2 days ago ff3 final wasnt out 17:29:49 <Mchl> where did you get ubuntu 8.05 :D 17:29:52 <Wolf01> let me check 17:29:53 <peter1138> though i wasn't aware they called it 8.05 17:29:59 <Nite> its out for half an hour now 17:30:39 <Mchl> oh yeah... now I'm mixing version numbers... :oops: 17:30:39 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:30:41 <Wolf01> It's inaccessible for half an hour, you meant? 17:30:50 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 17:31:43 <Wolf01> mmmh time to install ottd on ubuntu 17:32:17 <Wolf01> uh yeah, 3.0b5 17:32:26 *** einKarl [~einKarl@91-65-234-54-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:33:21 <Mchl> anyways, I tottaly ... messed my network drivers on my ubuntu machine, so I'll have to reinstall anyway 17:34:29 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@p5499F466.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:35:28 <Wolf01> seem that messing network drivers on ubuntu is really easy 17:36:33 <Mchl> messing them right way is not so easy though :P 17:36:36 <Mchl> I 17:36:54 <Mchl> I've broadcom wifi adapter, and it seems to have some 'issues' 17:38:22 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B74C0B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:39:01 <Wolf01> eheh, some people were right in the forum, the icon of the game is really too little 17:39:45 <Nite> î htought cleaning drivers on any linux system is easy as *** 17:40:05 <Nite> mythos? 17:40:29 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B761FD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:41:56 <Mchl> Nite: this apparentl applies to hardware, whose manufacturers cooperate with linux community 17:42:04 <Mchl> broadcom doesn't seem to be one 17:42:57 <Nite> well but simply "cleaneing" bey deleting them is no option? 17:43:27 <Nite> if i want to reinstall after every driver i installed wrong, i could as well go with vista. 17:43:42 <Wolf01> nice, samba doesn't work very well 17:44:25 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B7475F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:44:48 <Mchl> Nite: I'm totally new to linux, so I don't really know, what should I delete... plus I also made changes to some system files... 17:45:10 <Mchl> long story short: since it was fresh install, it's probably easier for me, to reinstall OS and start anew 17:45:27 <Nite> im ubuntu neeb to 17:46:05 <Nite> but i quickly realized its not that super simple as promoted 17:46:09 <Mchl> I had no problems with hardware on my former laptop, but unfortunatelly have some on the curent one 17:46:21 <Nite> it also has a complex structure 17:46:38 <Mchl> I managed to get OTTD checked out, compiled and runninng quite quickly though 17:47:50 <Nite> i never managed to run Any hardwhare that didnt run "itself" from the install in ubuntu 17:48:26 <Nite> but im a linux neeb - and wait what channel was i in , ottd right ? ;) 17:48:32 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B761FD.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:48:57 <Mchl> nay... its #openttd 17:49:01 <Mchl> nay... its #openttd;p 17:49:21 <Mchl> damn those, who place up arrow next to enter 17:49:51 <Nite> *G* 17:50:14 <Nite> worse down arrow 17:50:37 <Mchl> yeah... 17:52:53 <glx> Nite: the word is "noob" 17:53:32 <Nite> well "neeb" is also widely used 17:53:53 <Nite> as in "nEw" 17:54:11 <frosch123> Are "neebs" those who cannot spell "noob"? 17:54:42 <Nite> and whats a "newbie" then? 17:55:17 <Nite> n33b 17:55:18 <Mchl> new boy 17:56:17 <Nite> so theres an "newgie" also ? O-/ 17:56:25 <peter1138> noob 17:56:34 <Prof_Frink> Nite: There are not females on the internets. 17:56:51 <glx> even in #lesbians 17:56:55 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@pool-71-98-91-205.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 17:56:55 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest451 17:56:56 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 17:57:00 <Maedhros> especially in #lesbians 17:57:14 <SmatZ> hehe 17:57:42 <Mchl> lol 17:57:43 <Nite> well some of them look pretty femal in rl then. 17:58:22 <Prof_Frink> Tenebrae has a damn good voice modulator. 17:58:34 <Nite> tenebrae? 17:59:43 <Belugas> no, Tenebrae 18:00:25 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:00:31 *** Guest451 [~Dale@pool-71-98-91-205.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:02:52 *** gousty [gousty@silenceisdefeat.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:03:24 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A6150.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 18:03:43 <Nite> when does electricity start in vanilla ottd? 18:04:05 <Eddi|zuHause2> in the 70's or so 18:04:09 *** Zealotus [~Ping@217-211-211-179-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:04:10 <Prof_Frink> When you pluf it in. 18:04:18 <Prof_Frink> Or plug it in. 18:04:35 *** Zealotus [~Ping@217-211-211-179-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 18:06:35 *** Farden [~jk3farden@ram94-7-82-232-189-236.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:08:28 <Wolf01> how can I change the owner of the ottd folder? 18:08:34 <Wolf01> on ubuntu 18:09:29 <Prof_Frink> chown it. chown it hard. 18:09:33 *** Brianett1 [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:09:59 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:11:20 <Wolf01> chownage!! 18:11:27 *** Brianett1 is now known as Brianetta 18:11:29 <Wolf01> worked, thank you 18:12:11 <Wolf01> uh... now I noticed... there are only the folders on the openttd folder!! 18:12:39 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 18:14:04 *** Farden [~jk3farden@ram94-7-82-232-189-236.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 18:15:47 <Mchl> what did you do so far? 18:16:55 <Wolf01> installed the debian package, and put the original files on the /usr/shares/games/openttd/* folder 18:17:33 <Mchl> why don't you try to compile from source 18:17:35 <Mchl> ? 18:17:39 <Mchl> gives more staisfaction 18:17:49 <Prof_Frink> Because debs are easier? 18:17:50 <Mchl> (and I tried it, and it works as descriped in ottd wiki) 18:17:52 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:17:52 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 18:18:22 <Mchl> described 18:18:24 <Belugas> [14:15] <Mchl> gives more staisfaction <- i'm satisfied every night 18:18:51 <Wolf01> mmmh I enabled ALSA, now I can't hear anything :( 18:19:03 <Mchl> Belugas: I bet... you know her from inside out 18:19:21 <Wolf01> but I'll try to solve this issue after dinner 18:19:49 <Belugas> her? 18:19:50 <Belugas> who? 18:20:19 <Prof_Frink> Ms R. Hand 18:22:42 *** Prof_Frink was kicked from #openttd by Belugas [Honni soit qui mal y pense] 18:24:44 <Mchl> nah... 18:24:50 <Mchl> a game in Polish is feminine 18:25:25 <Nite> (got ff3 final) 18:25:54 <Mchl> gratz 18:28:04 <Mchl> yeah... cliking on 'Download FF 3' button downloads FF 2.0.0.14 18:31:16 <Eddi|zuHause2> hm... i'm not sure what "Honni" means, but i assume the phrase translates as "Ein Schelm, wer böses dabei denkt" 18:31:25 <Belugas> hehe.. no auto rejoin for mister Prof_Frink 18:32:08 <Belugas> honni = banished, or rejected, or got isolated 18:32:33 <Nite> ff3 is not that great anyway - maybee its more secure - ff as usual 18:32:38 <Belugas> so be Rejected one who thinks wrong 18:32:43 <Belugas> or something like taht 18:32:51 <Eddi|zuHause2> http://dict.leo.org/frde?lang=de&lp=frde&search=honni 18:32:57 <ln> "honni" pronounced probably: /Én/ 18:32:59 <Eddi|zuHause2> indeed i was right ;) 18:33:14 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5ad1ee3a.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 18:33:21 <Prof_Frink> wanker. 18:33:23 <Eddi|zuHause2> ln: "i" at the end is usually spoken 18:33:46 <ln> Eddi|zuHause2: zomg 18:34:54 *** Lakie` [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 18:35:10 <Wolf01> ok, was not ALSA, was the volume too low -.- 18:35:24 <Mchl> lol 18:35:30 <Mchl> a good dinner can solve issues 18:37:16 *** Farden [~jk3farden@ram94-7-82-232-189-236.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.2 :: www.regroup-esports.com )] 18:40:16 <Wolf01> mmmh ottd doesn't like gm files in the gm folder 18:40:59 <Belugas> that's... new 18:41:07 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:43:16 <Eddi|zuHause2> hm... there doesn't seem to be an english version of that phrase... 18:43:41 <Eddi|zuHause2> once again proof that english is an inferior language :p 18:44:05 <Touqen> Idiomatic expressions don't count. 18:44:13 <ln> of course they do. 18:44:20 <Touqen> No. They don't. 18:44:30 <Eddi|zuHause2> yes, they do 18:45:03 <Touqen> There are plenty of idioms in english that don't have a direct translation in other languages. 18:45:09 <Mchl> doesn;t it translate to 'die mortal'? 18:45:12 <Touqen> Does that make those langauges inferior? 18:45:25 <ln> it doesn't have to be a direct translation. 18:45:34 <Eddi|zuHause2> do you have an example? 18:45:34 <peter1138> and the carpet crawlers, heed their caller 18:45:54 <Touqen> ln: Then the meaning is lost. 18:46:22 <Eddi|zuHause2> i mean, the phrase above is a really common one (in german) 18:46:41 <Mchl> is firefox 2.0.0.14 actually firefox 3? 18:46:45 <Mchl> WTF? 18:47:02 <Touqen> ... 18:47:19 <peter1138> no 18:47:23 <Prof_Frink> Mchl: Nay. mozilla.com is just on fire. 18:47:58 <Mchl> never seen fire so strange 18:48:04 <Touqen> I hope they've got some good sponsers to cover their bandwidth. 18:48:33 <Nite> http://www.mozilla-europe.org/de/firefox/ works for europe (germany) 18:48:36 <Prof_Frink> Touqen: There's this little company called google. 18:48:55 <Touqen> ? Never heard of it. 18:49:08 <Nite> wait google - i might have heard of it ... 18:49:26 <Prof_Frink> Oh, they do search or something. Hold on while I look them up with Yahoo! 18:49:35 <Eddi|zuHause2> google? never heard of it... let me yahoo it 18:49:57 <Mchl> Yahoo? My altavista doesn't know about yahooever 18:50:46 <Wolf01> any suggestion about gm files not seen by the game on ubuntu? 18:51:08 *** Pikka|afk [~PikkaBird@CPE-124-187-6-142.qld.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 18:51:19 <Eddi|zuHause2> checked the debug output? 18:51:19 <Prof_Frink> They go in data/ iirc 18:51:23 <Mchl> I had no problems 18:51:26 *** Pikka|afk is now known as Pikka 18:51:28 <Wolf01> I already tried to talk to the system, with sudo too 18:51:34 <Wolf01> uhm, in /data 18:51:41 <Prof_Frink> Wolf01: No, in data/ 18:51:55 <Wolf01> yes that 18:52:11 <Wolf01> why the package comes with the gm folder on openttd/? 18:55:53 <Eddi|zuHause2> it should work in gm/ 18:57:13 <Wolf01> yes, I think so, because if I put them in data/ the game doesn't see them at all, but in openttd/gm the game see them but it skip them like when you have an invalid file on a playlist 18:57:25 <Wolf01> maybe I need something to be able to hear the music, like I did with timidity a year ago 18:57:47 <peter1138> midi works for me 18:57:56 <peter1138> but by default midi is not well supported on linux 18:58:06 <Eddi|zuHause2> midi worked for me once, but i turned music off 18:58:21 <peter1138> if you've got a card that supports wavetable, you probably need to load up sound effects 18:58:35 <Nite> doodle doodle doodle doooo - ;D 18:58:40 <peter1138> or if you're using timidity you probably need to set up stuff to allow the card to be multiplexed 18:58:47 <peter1138> dmix 18:58:51 <peter1138> or pulseaudio 18:58:53 <peter1138> or jack 18:58:58 <peter1138> or whatever 18:59:43 <Wolf01> I used timidity on ubuntu 7, but now I hope there is something... better 19:01:01 <ln> "ubuntu 7" 19:01:01 <peter1138> there are loads of software synths, but that's probably not what you want 19:02:59 <Sacro> hmm, need to sort out my bookmarks 19:06:06 <Wolf01> oh, seem I can play gm files, but I don't hear anything 19:07:19 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@5353F911.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 19:08:43 <glx> [20:17:05] <Wolf01> installed the debian package, and put the original files on the /usr/shares/games/openttd/* folder <-- put them in ~/.openttd/data it's easier 19:09:17 <Wolf01> no, that's not the problem, I opened the gm files with an audio player 19:09:23 <Wolf01> I hear silence 19:09:46 <Wolf01> maybe that's the problem 19:10:53 <glx> try openttd -s null 19:12:11 <Eddi|zuHause2> well... you need _some_ synthesizer to play midis... 19:12:59 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl51B78979.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 19:14:39 <Nite> most soundcards have some midi wavetablesynt onboard (sb) 19:14:39 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 19:16:19 <peter1138> most don't these days 19:16:48 <Nite> well soundblasters always have. 19:17:00 <peter1138> ... 19:17:08 <Wolf01> ok, maybe I forgot to tell you I'm testing it on vmware :P 19:17:25 <Nite> what soundcard? 19:17:33 <Wolf01> sb compatible 19:17:43 <peter1138> Nite: "always" ? 19:17:44 <Nite> yeah but what exactly? 19:18:02 <Wolf01> impossible to know, it changes on every version 19:18:13 <Nite> i dont know of any soundblaster that hasent gm wavetable 19:18:44 <Wolf01> vmware 4 had sb128, 5 has riva if I'm not wrong 19:18:52 <Nite> is it onboard soundcard or what? 19:19:05 <glx> it's a virtual machine 19:19:37 <Nite> yeah but there also mus be some hardware whicht puts out the sound and takes in midi 19:20:42 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:20:42 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 19:28:09 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:29:53 <Eddi|zuHause2> i have my doubts that vmware comes with wavetables 19:30:48 <Nite> i have my doubt that you know how midi works (sry in advance) 19:31:14 <glx> vmware uses my AC'97 card 19:31:15 <peter1138> i know that you don't :) 19:31:32 <Nite> ok and a ac'97 card may have no wavetable 19:31:46 <glx> indeed it has not 19:31:55 <Nite> vmware "could" emulate one 19:31:58 <glx> that's why windows comes with MSSynt 19:32:17 <Nite> waht the hell is mssynth? 19:32:37 <Eddi|zuHause2> the working of midi is trivial, simple lookup table 19:33:07 <Eddi|zuHause2> the problem is that the lookup table must contain prerecorded sounds, which are usually expensive 19:33:19 <glx> software synth 19:33:48 <peter1138> microsoft's software synthesizer built into windows since... who knows when 19:33:53 <Nite> i never heard of this synth 19:34:05 <Nite> link? 19:34:15 <Eddi|zuHause2> it's in your windows 19:34:24 <Nite> no its not since 3.11 19:35:13 <Nite> i look it up 19:35:36 <glx> if only timidity was as efficient as MS's synth 19:35:50 <glx> (CPU wise) 19:36:07 <peter1138> timidity is negligable here 19:36:16 <Eddi|zuHause2> i have no idea why timidity sucks so much 19:36:27 <Eddi|zuHause2> probably has unbearable default settings 19:36:34 <peter1138> i never found a buffer size option for it for, which causes the jitters... 19:36:56 <Nite> you mean the microsoft gs wavetable synth is called mssynth? 19:37:24 <glx> I call it like that 19:37:25 <peter1138> microsoft ... synth ... mssynth 19:37:32 <peter1138> not a huge leap of imagination 19:38:07 <Nite> well im into vsts hardly ... sry 19:38:15 <ccfreak2k> Timidity works well enough for me. 19:38:17 <peter1138> "im" 19:38:22 <peter1138> vsts? 19:38:23 <Eddi|zuHause2> well, not significantly more than imagining that there are soundcards other than sb ones ;) 19:38:24 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: smatz * r13552 /trunk/ (10 files in 5 dirs): -Codechange: use TTD_ENDIAN comparations instead of tests if TTD_[BIG/LITTLE]_ENDIAN is defined 19:38:29 <ccfreak2k> I just wish the patches were the same as the ones I have in Windows. 19:38:42 <ccfreak2k> I find it interesting that I can build tunnels under sand pits. 19:42:06 <Eddi|zuHause2> brb... screwing up my system completely 19:42:20 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B7475F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 19:53:25 <Belugas> Holy Moly Cooly!! 19:53:36 *** pavel1269 [~pavel.g@48.140.broadband2.iol.cz] has quit [] 19:53:43 * Belugas ust "re-discovered" Friend of the Night 19:53:53 <Belugas> Mogwai that is 19:59:47 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78.107.173.193] has joined #openttd 19:59:58 *** Lakie` is now known as Lakie 20:01:29 <peter1138> sounds like a call to put it on 20:01:38 <peter1138> woah, 9pm already :o 20:03:27 *** Maedhros [~jc@host86-137-64-250.range86-137.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:05:02 <Belugas> and if you have the Acid Casuals Remix, DO NOT HESITATE!!!! 20:05:11 <peter1138> nope 20:06:36 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.230.1] has quit [Quit: ecke] 20:06:50 <ccfreak2k> Hmm. 20:06:58 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.230.1] has joined #openttd 20:07:04 <ccfreak2k> I think three consecutive train tiles got stuck on "reserved". 20:07:08 <ccfreak2k> From YAPP. 20:07:28 <ccfreak2k> Replacing them seems to have elimitaed it. 20:07:35 *** Phoenix_the_II [rdeboom@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:10:32 *** blathijs [~matthijs@katherina.student.utwente.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:10:52 *** Kommer [kommer@vestingbar.student.utwente.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:11:13 *** Phoenix_the_II [rdeboom@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 20:20:15 *** Yexo_ [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 20:20:15 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:22:44 *** Ridayah [~ridayah@12-207-35-180.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Quit: The Rise and Fall of the Heavens themselves is dependant upon Humanity's belief and disbelief.] 20:30:47 *** eekee [~eekee@cpc1-lanc4-0-0-cust82.brig.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 20:30:49 <Wolf01> uh, installed timidity and all magically works 20:32:03 <Nite> magically ;D 20:32:14 <SmatZ> hehe 20:32:32 <eekee> that about the midi music? sweet 20:36:37 <Wolf01> now, if I might want to update the stable to the latest nightly, how do I proceed? 20:37:01 <Wolf01> I downloaded the tar but I don't know where I should put the files 20:37:34 <ln> aren't you supposed to be watching football? 20:37:41 <Wolf01> no 20:38:42 <Wolf01> when I know the result is enough... 20:39:09 <Mchl> yeah... watching is unhealthy 20:39:20 <Mchl> too stressful 20:40:10 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@pool-71-98-91-205.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 20:40:10 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest487 20:40:11 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 20:40:24 <ln> is there a more degrading term for football than football? 20:41:10 <Belugas> soccer 20:41:14 <Wolf01> eleven players hunting a ball? no thanks 20:41:37 <Mchl> 22 20:41:44 <Wolf01> details 20:41:57 <Mchl> yeah... you probably just missed a key 20:43:31 <Mchl> I don;t get it... they toss the coin at the beginning... so why are they running for hour and a half afterwards? 20:45:21 * Belugas is grabing his belongings and prepare itself for the voyage home 20:46:05 <Mchl> bon voyage 20:46:56 <Sacro> Belugas: episode 5? 20:47:06 *** Guest487 [~Dale@pool-71-98-91-205.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:47:53 <Belugas> hem.. 20:48:03 <Belugas> no... episode Thursday ;) 20:48:08 * Belugas is gne 20:48:20 <Wolf01> mmmhumpf I can't execute nighly binary 20:48:27 <SmatZ> how so? 20:48:39 <SmatZ> and yesterday's you can? 20:48:39 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@p549F2604.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 20:49:11 <Wolf01> yesterday I didn't try to install ottd on ubuntu 20:49:32 <glx> what does it say when you try to run it? 20:49:49 <Wolf01> nothing happen 20:50:05 <glx> anyway it's easier to compile yourself on linux 20:50:44 <Mchl> it is! 20:51:11 <Wolf01> from the shell: error while loading libexpat.so.0: cannot open shared object file: no such file or directory 20:52:22 <glx> usual :) 20:53:08 <glx> that's why it's easier to compile yourself (that way you use the right libs) 20:54:12 *** Zahl [~Zahl@p549F166A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:54:12 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 20:54:23 <SmatZ> hmm won't we update compile farm to new libexpat? 20:54:45 *** Yexo_ is now known as Yexo 20:54:55 <Mchl> http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Compiling_on_Linux 20:55:10 <Mchl> Wolf01: I got through it, and it works 20:55:21 <peter1138> SmatZ: why? 20:56:14 <Wolf01> Yeah, but I don't have *put a word* to compile :D 20:56:27 <SmatZ> peter1138: libexpat-2 has been here for ~half a year, and users have problems running nightlies... there will be moment when more people use newer libexpat 20:56:32 <SmatZ> so then we should change 20:56:41 <SmatZ> or do I understand it wrong? 20:56:49 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 20:57:07 * eekee does: cd trunk; svn up; cd ..; cp -a trunk <rev>; cd <rev>; ./configure; make; cp ../data-win/* bin/data; cp ../newgrf/* bin/data; cd bin; ./openttd 20:57:16 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i59F541FC.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 20:58:14 * Mchl does cd trunk; svn up; make; cd bin; ./openttd 20:59:16 *** Mchl [~mchlpl@abeb156.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [] 20:59:23 * Wolf01 does right click, svn update, cd /home/projects/openttd, make 20:59:33 *** Kommer [kommer@vestingbar.student.utwente.nl] has joined #openttd 20:59:49 <Wolf01> (the last two on msys) 20:59:54 *** Mchl [~mchlpl@abeb156.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 21:00:06 <SmatZ> actuall more than one year 21:00:08 <Mchl> I hate missclicks 21:00:51 <eekee> damn :) 21:01:01 <Wolf01> ok, I'm happy enough for today 21:01:08 *** Volley [~worf@84.119.63.72] has joined #openttd 21:01:42 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d000811.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:02:19 <glx> eekee: put grf and sample.cat in ~/.openttd/data 21:02:30 * Wolf01 shut down ubuntu... *screams*.... oh yes... windows... ubuntu was on the virtual machine... that's like seeing a ghost 21:02:42 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:02:42 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 21:02:49 <SmatZ> hehe 21:03:07 <eekee> glx: that works now? Been a while since I tried that 21:03:24 * Wolf01 shut down windows too... 21:03:46 <Wolf01> done. 21:03:57 <glx> you can even have ttd grfs and sample.cat in a tar in ~/.openttd/data 21:04:05 <eekee> neat 21:04:11 <Wolf01> ok, night, tomorrow is another day to try 21:04:19 <Mchl> night Wolf 21:04:23 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host252-233-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 21:05:01 <eekee> btw what key is it to open the console? 21:05:09 <Mchl> ~ 21:05:22 <glx> ² 21:05:33 <eekee> Doesn't work on my Zaurus. Japanese layout, ~ is shift-0 21:05:33 <Mchl> on US keyboard at least :P 21:05:47 <Mchl> ` then? 21:05:49 <glx> the key above tab 21:06:07 *** oja [~0blivious@3E339CE3.dslaccess.aol.com] has joined #openttd 21:06:11 <eekee> nope, that's actually not typable on the zaurus with angstrom. ~.~ 21:06:16 <eekee> glx: that's q :) 21:06:16 <Mchl> is it always mapped to the 'key above tab' ? 21:06:25 <glx> yes 21:06:35 <Mchl> nice 21:06:49 <eekee> I could patch my code before compiling if I could find where to change it 21:06:59 <SmatZ> ` 21:07:01 *** oja [~0blivious@3E339CE3.dslaccess.aol.com] has quit [] 21:13:17 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-91-205.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:14:41 <eekee> no no-one knows where in the source it's defined? I hunted for it earlier, but found nothing 21:15:38 <SmatZ> eekee: maybe hotkey in main_gui.cpp 21:15:47 <SmatZ> search for ShowConsole or something like that 21:18:16 *** Lakie` [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 21:20:33 <eekee> Ah yeah there it is. 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quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:40:37 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 22:40:40 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1BBF3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:49:56 <ccfreak2k> Wow. 22:50:03 <ccfreak2k> Two trains collided. 22:50:07 <ccfreak2k> Using YAPP. 22:50:18 <ccfreak2k> Though it's probably an old and fixed buh. 22:50:19 <ccfreak2k> bug. 22:50:34 <planetmaker> not all... 22:50:37 <Eddi|zuHause> there's a current bug somewhere in version 8 22:50:55 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:51:00 <Eddi|zuHause> the coop people encountered it a couple of days ago 22:53:30 <ccfreak2k> I was getting quite a few deadlocks because a busy station only had two rails, and they were bidirectional. 22:53:37 <ccfreak2k> I reversed a train to clear one up, then CRASH 22:54:17 <ccfreak2k> It wasn 22:54:21 <ccfreak2k> t the reversed train, though. 22:55:00 <Eddi|zuHause> well, try it again with the autosave, and then report it (on the forums) 22:55:54 <ccfreak2k> Well, I'm not sure what caused it is the thing, so I can't isolate it. 22:57:00 <Georgio> i want to get on a stable multiplayer 22:57:20 <Georgio> all the ones i join i get disconected 22:59:54 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 23:02:44 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: brb] 23:03:24 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 23:11:18 <Eddi|zuHause> disconnected because your computer is too slow or disconnected because it desyncs? 23:15:55 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-91-205.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 23:16:45 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r13558 /branches/noai/src/squirrel_helper.hpp: [NoAI] -Codechange: generate an error when you pass a wrong typed value via an array meant for integers to the (C++) API. 23:18:38 *** Osai is now known as Osai^zZz 23:23:25 *** GoneWacko [GoneWacko@86-60-151-172-dyn-dsl.ssp.fi] has quit [] 23:23:38 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have 192ram 23:36:42 <Georgio> thats crap 23:36:47 <glx> what is map size? 23:36:52 <Georgio> my video card is good too 23:37:02 <glx> video card has no importance 23:37:03 <Eddi|zuHause> video card is irrelevant 23:37:04 <Georgio> 1024x512 23:37:20 <Eddi|zuHause> try a server with a smaller map 23:37:27 <Georgio> or 512x512 23:37:49 <Tefad> you can run ottd on a 1MB video card just fine 23:38:15 <glx> a vga card is enough ;) 23:38:20 <Georgio> i have and i get good connection then awhile down the building the company if you know what i mean, it just goes to menu 23:38:33 <Georgio> i have 32mb 23:38:40 <Eddi|zuHause> only with reduced resolution, glx 23:38:48 <glx> 640x480 yes 23:38:48 <Georgio> 60gig hard disk space 23:39:18 <Eddi|zuHause> no, 640x480x8 does not fit on a 256kB VGA card 23:39:22 <Georgio> i dont play in fullscreen 23:39:23 <SmatZ> hehe 23:39:30 <Georgio> so i can chat on irs 23:39:34 <Georgio> irc* 23:40:03 <Tefad> vga is 640x480 16 colors 23:40:15 <glx> ha right 23:40:23 <glx> then SVGA is the minimum 23:40:25 <SmatZ> hmm OTTD probably won't run with 16 colours 23:40:26 <Tefad> 320x240 8bit with some tweaks 23:40:44 <Tefad> hmm wait 23:40:51 <Georgio> is anyone in a multiplayer game right now or could join one 23:40:51 <Eddi|zuHause> 320x200 should work more easily 23:41:09 <glx> but some windows are bigger than that 23:41:37 <Georgio> plz 23:41:42 <Eddi|zuHause> Civ I ran on 320x200x8 23:41:51 <Tefad> 150KB for 640x480 4bit 23:42:18 <Tefad> 75KB for 320x240 8bit 23:42:23 <Georgio> i run on 640x480, 800x600, or maximized window but not fullscreen 23:42:51 <Tefad> 62.5 for 320x200 8bit fits in one segment of ram (16bit computing ftw?) 23:43:02 <Eddi|zuHause> Georgio: that has hardly any significance 23:43:14 <Tefad> in linux i don't think fullscreen gains anything 23:43:22 <glx> unless you move the openttd window for too long 23:43:31 <Georgio> i want to get in a stable but active MP server 23:43:31 <Tefad> i can just alt+rightclick a full screen app and move it 23:43:41 <Tefad> can't do that in windows at all 23:44:02 <Georgio> suggestions? 23:44:15 <Eddi|zuHause> whether you find active servers at 2AM is a whole different question 23:44:34 <Georgio> its 6:44pm 23:44:46 <Georgio> oh 23:44:53 <Eddi|zuHause> 80% of the community is based in europe 23:45:13 <Georgio> i know 23:45:25 <Belugas> Georgio: http://www.openttd.org/servers.php 23:45:27 <Belugas> chhose :D 23:45:31 <Belugas> choose 23:45:46 <Belugas> and here, it's 7:42pm 23:46:47 <Georgio> ok 23:47:35 <Georgio> i got one 23:47:51 <Georgio> megas europe map 23:48:30 * Georgio begins to play Open TTD 23:51:28 <Eddi|zuHause> didn't i just say try smaller maps? 23:51:40 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: belugas * r13559 /trunk/src/toolbar_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Enumification of the Options menu items 23:54:56 <Georgio> the map got paused? 23:55:04 <Georgio> or i got dcd 23:55:11 <Georgio> either one 23:55:30 <Georgio> F 23:55:57 *** Georgio 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