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00:01:39 <ben_goodger> the solution might be to get more developers 00:01:52 <ben_goodger> debian has I don't know how many hundred of them 00:02:11 <ben_goodger> it saves a lot of work for the project's founder... 00:02:40 <ccfreak2k> How is it a "solution" when there's no problem? 00:03:08 <ben_goodger> meh 00:04:07 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.231.53] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:04:34 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B49A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:06:48 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.231.53] has joined #openttd 00:08:43 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@p5499C79B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: dR3x4cK] 00:13:36 *** fjb [~frank@p5485E9E7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:14:51 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.231.53] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:15:03 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-209-220.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:16:01 <ccfreak2k> Compiz disabled the application key. 00:16:02 <ccfreak2k> >:| 00:16:02 <ccfreak2k> Rather, it unbound the key from KDE/X11. 00:16:02 <ccfreak2k> So now I don't have the Application key shortcuts anymore. 00:16:26 <ben_goodger> it's good at that 00:16:45 <ben_goodger> incidentally, shameless market research: what is your opinion on the design of http://flesbooks.com/ if you don't mind? 00:18:40 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.230.1] has joined #openttd 00:24:40 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.230.1] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:25:52 <Eddi|zuHause> the word "incidentally" does not make any sense in this context 00:26:00 <ben_goodger> yes it does 00:26:22 <ben_goodger> it's a non-word inserted for interest. 00:28:24 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.231.53] has joined #openttd 00:29:19 <Eddi|zuHause> "non-words" is a concept unknown to germans 00:30:09 <ben_goodger> well, imagine if someone said to you "I'm sorry to bother you, but would you please consider closing the window if it's not too much trouble?" without being sarcastic. 00:30:29 <ben_goodger> all of that besides "close the window please" are non-words in this context 00:30:45 <Eddi|zuHause> excactly... 00:31:14 <ben_goodger> yes 00:31:19 <SmatZ> what about "please"? 00:31:29 <SmatZ> "close, window" are enough 00:31:41 <Eddi|zuHause> the closest to "non-words" a german has is "naja", "ÃŒbrigens" and "beziehungsweise" 00:31:41 <ben_goodger> please is the minimum required for basic politeness 00:31:49 <ben_goodger> what do those mean? 00:32:10 <SmatZ> maybe even "WINDOW!" if you shout it really loudly 00:32:11 <ben_goodger> I'd love an opportunity to shout "beziehunsweise" really loudly 00:32:14 <Eddi|zuHause> SmatZ: i actually get away with "cold!" 00:32:17 <SmatZ> everyone will understand he should close it 00:32:34 <glx> it's like "DOOR" 00:32:41 <SmatZ> :) 00:32:42 <Eddi|zuHause> or even "mmm" 00:33:00 <ben_goodger> ...anyway 00:33:00 <Eddi|zuHause> with the right emphasis ;) 00:33:03 <SmatZ> :) 00:33:05 <ben_goodger> what do you think of the damned website? :P 00:34:25 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B754AF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:34:27 <Eddi|zuHause2> and germans are very careful with the word "please" 00:35:01 <ben_goodger> because bitte means "you're welcome" also? 00:35:28 <Eddi|zuHause2> no, just in general ;) 00:35:34 <ben_goodger> why? 00:35:50 <Eddi|zuHause2> in england, people also say please when they actually mean "fuck off" 00:36:01 <ben_goodger> do we? 00:36:06 <ccfreak2k> Don't you mean "piss off"? 00:36:07 <SmatZ> ben_goodger: fine 00:36:19 <ben_goodger> SmatZ: thank you. any further comment? 00:36:37 <SmatZ> ben_goodger: http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fflesbooks.com%2F&charset=(detect+automatically)&doctype=Inline&group=0 validator 00:37:05 <Eddi|zuHause2> yeah, "piss off" is even a closer translation of the german word ;) 00:37:11 <ben_goodger> no trouble there... 00:37:26 <SmatZ> ben_goodger: I like sites that don't use many images, I like blue and yellow, and also it looks fine with 1600x1200 resolution 00:37:35 <Eddi|zuHause2> and "bitte" can also mean "are you insane?" 00:39:18 <ben_goodger> the MIME problem we will have to live with, because internet explorer attempts to download anything served as application/xml+xhtml 00:39:39 <Eddi|zuHause2> i hate pages which have a fixed width and don't scale with screen width 00:40:14 <ben_goodger> eddi|zuHause2: you are not aware of the problems posed by very wide text lines? 00:40:21 <SmatZ> I agree with Eddi 00:40:37 <Belugas> me too 00:40:49 <Belugas> hem... on waht? 00:40:59 <ben_goodger> the site does scale with screen width 00:41:00 <SmatZ> it is bad to have page at 1/4 of width of my monitor 00:41:02 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B7550E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:41:14 <Eddi|zuHause2> thanks for your support anyway ;) 00:41:37 <ben_goodger> the left hand yellow bit simply does not increase beyond 65 characters per line as this means it becomes unreadable 00:41:38 <Eddi|zuHause2> ben_goodger: not the "news" part, which contains the actually relevant text 00:42:06 <ben_goodger> no 00:42:09 <Eddi|zuHause2> ben_goodger: not everyone uses 10pt font 00:42:21 <ben_goodger> ...oh, you mean it fails to scale with font size? 00:42:47 <Eddi|zuHause2> both 00:43:09 <ben_goodger> it shouldn't scale with screen size, as that will make it too wide to read 00:43:19 <ben_goodger> but I will see whether I can't make it scale with the font size. 00:44:52 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 00:48:09 *** Boyinblue0 [~admin@5ac85a48.bb.sky.com] has quit [] 00:56:49 *** ecke1 [~ecke@213.195.231.149] has joined #openttd 00:58:06 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.231.53] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:00:07 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:00:23 *** ecke1 [~ecke@213.195.231.149] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:02:31 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.230.1] has joined #openttd 01:04:17 *** lobster 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ships 01:44:00 <SmoKeyy> and my constructions 01:44:02 <SmoKeyy> =/ 01:45:33 <Belugas> at this time? peter1138 is quite sleepy, i think, Pikka :) 01:45:46 <SmoKeyy> it's only 4:41 AM 01:46:12 <Pikka> indeed 01:46:19 <Belugas> for a guy that has to wake up early and get to the office, i guess it's still time to sleep :P 01:46:37 <Belugas> not everyone have the "chance" of still been a student 01:47:44 <SmoKeyy> i have exams monday 01:47:47 <SmoKeyy> series of exams 01:47:55 <SmoKeyy> haven't studied dirt 01:48:18 *** egladil [~egladil@81-226-238-189-no61.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:48:20 <SmoKeyy> instead i've played ottd 18 hours str8 01:48:22 <SmoKeyy> -.- 01:48:32 <Belugas> dirt is supposed to be dealt with a vacuum cleaner... 01:48:39 <Belugas> not been studied :S 01:48:48 <SmoKeyy> i ment 01:48:49 <SmoKeyy> nadda 01:48:53 <Belugas> straight 01:49:01 <Belugas> not str8 01:49:04 <Belugas> str8 is not cool 01:49:10 <Belugas> it's just... short :P 01:49:23 <SmoKeyy> i'm not using abreviations to be c00lzorzorous 01:49:37 <SmoKeyy> i'm using them CUZ im tired 01:50:10 <SmoKeyy> c00lzorzorouslicious* 01:50:38 <SmoKeyy> 3 more minutes till my porn movie is over 01:50:42 <SmoKeyy> so i can wank off and get some sleep 01:50:55 <SmoKeyy> till i get my stuff prepared 01:50:59 <SmoKeyy> cya guys later 01:51:08 *** SmoKeyy is now known as SmoKeyy-zzZz 01:51:30 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:52:24 <Belugas> good luck withg the exams ntils then 01:55:23 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: belugas * r13590 /trunk/src/toolbar_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Enumification of the Save/Load menu items 01:55:47 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 02:25:13 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: Night All.] 02:33:12 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 02:39:27 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:39:27 *** 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[~admin@5ac85a48.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 09:33:22 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 09:34:15 *** dlunch [~dlunch@61.108.29.49] has joined #openttd 09:34:39 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:35:01 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 09:37:09 <Eddi|zuHause2> "how to say 'convenient' in german" - "The Germans donât have a word for this concept, just like we donât have 'Schadenfreude'" :p 09:37:32 <Eddi|zuHause2> ['we' refers to an american here] 09:38:23 *** Pikka [~user@58.173.248.50] has left #openttd [] 09:40:36 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 09:40:52 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has left #openttd [] 09:41:08 <Mchl> what's Schadenfreude? 09:41:20 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 09:41:30 <Eddi|zuHause2> when you laugh about someone who had bad luck or made a mistake ;) 09:41:53 <Mchl> i see 09:43:15 <Eddi|zuHause2> http://nothingforungood.com/unanswered-google-queries/ 09:45:20 <Gekz> Yes, most Germans eat with fork and knife, though in Bavaria they just use finger and knife. 09:45:23 <Gekz> LOL 09:47:42 *** Gerry7152 [~Gerry7152@bzq-79-179-242-159.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #openttd 09:47:46 * Hendikins snickers at the last one 09:47:51 <Hendikins> what do germans taste like 09:47:51 <Hendikins> A lot like chicken, I would guess. 09:48:05 <Eddi|zuHause2> ;) 09:48:58 *** svippy [~svip@cpe.atm2-0-78233.0x535a2072.boanxx18.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 09:48:58 *** svippery [~svip@cpe.atm2-0-78233.0x535a2072.boanxx18.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:52:02 <Eddi|zuHause2> what troubles me the most is that someone must actually have typed that into google :) 09:53:26 <Mchl> if i learn german, will i ever actually use it? 09:53:26 <Mchl> No. 09:53:33 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F55DC0.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 09:53:40 <Mchl> lol 09:53:51 <Eddi|zuHause2> yeah, read the "don't learn german" article ;) 09:54:30 <Eddi|zuHause2> (on the right, the "most popular" section) 09:54:44 <Zahl> nice website :_D 09:56:37 *** Gerry7152 [~Gerry7152@bzq-79-179-242-159.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [autokilled: spamming. 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(2008-06-20 09:56:36)] 09:56:55 <Zahl> omg i cant stop laughing 09:57:46 *** mucht_work [~Martin@143.50.125.24] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:59:22 <Mchl> hmmm... we also have three genders here... 09:59:36 *** mucht_work [~Martin@143.50.125.24] has joined #openttd 09:59:58 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1BA14.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:00:04 <Mchl> and seven cases 10:00:24 <Eddi|zuHause2> it's a slavic language, that doesn't count ;) 10:00:54 <Mchl> :P 10:01:57 *** dlunch [~dlunch@61.108.29.49] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:09:02 *** Volley [~worf@84.119.69.179] has joined #openttd 10:12:37 <Zahl> http://nothingforungood.com/2008/05/12/dont-learn-german/ 10:12:46 <Zahl> i like how he translated the gender table there 10:16:49 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 10:16:49 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:16:51 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 10:20:48 *** Slowpoke [Lobster@dslb-088-073-254-209.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 10:26:48 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:33:09 *** jni_ [~geetee@cs181040004.pp.htv.fi] has joined #openttd 10:33:09 *** jni [~geetee@cs181040004.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:02:01 <dih> WAKEUP 11:07:37 *** fjb [~frank@p5485CEE6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:07:41 <fjb> Hello 11:13:03 *** divo [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 11:15:37 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 11:18:58 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-229-151.prem.tmns.net.au] has joined #openttd 11:30:02 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl51B78979.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:30:53 *** Digitalfox_ [~Digitalfo@bl10-66-226.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 11:36:27 *** Digitalfox [~Digitalfo@bl10-67-186.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:41:11 *** LA [~purple@ip202.cab18.mus.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 11:42:34 *** Zorni [zorn@d138150.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #openttd 11:49:56 *** Zorn [zorn@d121063.adsl.hansenet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:52:31 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@a62-251-30-68.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 11:54:57 *** snorre [~snorre@84.53.58.1] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:54:58 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl51B78979.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 11:57:28 *** svippery [~svip@cpe.atm2-0-78233.0x535a2072.boanxx18.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 11:57:28 *** svippy [~svip@cpe.atm2-0-78233.0x535a2072.boanxx18.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:57:31 *** valhalla1w [~valhallas@a62-251-30-68.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:00:38 *** Pikka [~user@58.173.248.50] has joined #openttd 12:06:46 *** pavel1269 [~pavel.g@48.140.broadband2.iol.cz] has joined #openttd 12:06:52 *** LA [~purple@ip202.cab18.mus.starman.ee] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.82.1 [Firefox 3.0/2008052906]] 12:06:56 <pavel1269> hi 12:07:18 <dih> is Belugas around? 12:07:54 <planetmaker> I saw one recently. But that was in Berlin and probably another ;) 12:08:12 <dih> :-P 12:08:26 <Doorslammer> I have seen no plug ugly planes around, sorry :) 12:08:43 <dih> ? 12:08:49 <planetmaker> maybe another year then :P 12:09:05 * dih cies out for Belugas 12:10:42 <Doorslammer> Maybe cry for him instead :S 12:11:25 <fjb> Hm, what time of day is it in Canada right now? 12:13:38 <dih> -5 - -12 h 12:14:00 <Eddi|zuHause2> dih: he appears typically around 15:15 12:14:09 <dih> thanks Eddi 12:14:35 <dih> fjb: canada is big 12:14:39 <dih> multiple timezones 12:14:47 <dih> just like... uh... europe? 12:14:57 <Doorslammer> And Australia 12:16:05 <fjb> Belugas is Canadian, that's why I asked. 12:16:48 <dih> yes, but you are understanding that asking for 'time in canada' is a very unprecise question 12:18:10 <fjb> It may be unprecise, but it can give a hint when you can expect him to be around here. 12:18:13 *** Volley [~worf@84.119.69.179] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:18:52 <dih> so 1400 (CEST) -5 too early? NOPE 12:19:03 <dih> and i know that he lives in canada 12:19:21 *** Volley [~worf@84.119.74.156] has joined #openttd 12:19:33 <dih> so unless you can point out a more precise timezone, it's not very helpful 12:19:53 <Doorslammer> Good grief, dont ask for much do you? 12:21:09 *** Pikka [~user@58.173.248.50] has left #openttd [] 12:21:15 <dih> and where is that too much? 12:21:59 <Doorslammer> Well hes only giving an approximation 12:22:14 <dih> yep, with a range of 7 hours 12:22:35 <dih> which fits' 'Belugas should be here' and 'Belugas will not be here for another 5 hours' 12:22:44 <dih> wonderful answer 12:22:48 <dih> seriously! 12:23:53 <Doorslammer> Well, maybe he should have just ignored you 12:24:08 <dih> or thought about it befor saying it :-P 12:24:14 <dih> would have helped too :-P 12:24:53 <Doorslammer> OK then 12:24:55 <Eddi|zuHause2> and Belugas should be -6 hours from here 12:25:07 <Doorslammer> Belugas is not here and we dont have a foogiest idea when he will be 12:25:10 <Eddi|zuHause2> but it could be -7, not sure 12:25:15 <dih> see - that's a more precise answer! thanks Eddi 12:25:22 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 12:25:30 <Doorslammer> Good grief, is it? 12:25:41 <dih> Doorslammer: then consider yourself as 'NOT ASKED' 12:25:53 <dih> if you dont know the answer just ignoer it! 12:26:04 <Doorslammer> You didnt know the answer either 12:26:11 <Doorslammer> Why didnt you? 12:26:16 * dih slaps Doorslammer 12:26:21 <dih> i ASKED the question 12:26:27 <dih> get off my back! 12:28:29 <Mchl> hey! no physical abuse here! :P 12:28:36 * dih ignores *!Doorslamme@*.tmns.net.au 12:28:54 <Mchl> this won't work dih 12:29:09 <dih> depends on the client 12:29:17 <Mchl> you missed a letter 12:29:20 <dih> and the bouncer 12:29:22 *** Volley [~worf@84.119.74.156] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:29:28 *** Volley [~worf@84.119.76.206] has joined #openttd 12:29:42 <dih> did i now? 12:29:47 <dih> use /whois :-P 12:29:59 <Mchl> right :P 12:31:06 <dih> it's a shame this channel is filling with the 'user' type people from the forums :-P 12:33:03 <Mchl> oh come on... random chat is random chat... no need to get emotional 12:34:14 <dih> :-P 12:35:22 <Doorslammer> Well its the height of rudeness of bothering people if they dont give you the answer they look for 12:35:28 <Doorslammer> That is all 12:36:01 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 12:36:02 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:41:52 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:44:27 <Eddi|zuHause2> Doorslammer: http://nothingforungood.com/2008/05/21/germans-only-speak-clear-text/ 12:46:47 <dih> Eddi: :-) 12:48:28 <Doorslammer> Still no reason to throw pots and pans about like a girl 12:48:48 <dih> Eddi: i once had a chat with 2 girls from america, aske where they were from... 'america!' 12:48:56 <Eddi|zuHause2> i mean... you read too much into it, Doorslammer... 12:49:04 <dih> c'mon: that's just as good had i said 'im from europe' 12:49:18 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-229-151.prem.tmns.net.au] has quit [] 12:49:27 <dih> most unprecise responses ever 12:50:25 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-229-151.prem.tmns.net.au] has joined #openttd 12:51:00 <Belugas> [08:22] <Doorslammer> Belugas is not here and we dont have a foogiest idea when he will be <--- proof that he does not know me that much :P 12:51:05 <Belugas> here i am dih 12:51:14 <dih> hey 12:51:42 <Eddi|zuHause2> you're early :p 12:52:04 <Belugas> for all to know : i'm "here" from 9 to 5, monday to friday, GMT-5 ( i think) 12:53:18 <dih> ta 12:54:46 *** divo [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.21 :: www.esnation.com )] 12:58:00 *** svippy [~svip@cpe.atm2-0-78233.0x535a2072.boanxx18.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 12:58:00 *** svippery [~svip@cpe.atm2-0-78233.0x535a2072.boanxx18.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:00:39 <planetmaker> 6 hours a day, 5 days a week doesn't sound too bad :) 13:01:01 * planetmaker should take some extra class in calculus... 13:01:04 <dih> he's slacking... look at it! 13:01:14 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@86.89.201.189] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 13:02:34 <Eddi|zuHause2> <dih> most unprecise responses ever <-- well, they COULD have said "Earth", "Solar System" or "Universe" instead :p 13:02:59 * dih was not sure that would have been a correct answer with those girls :-P 13:03:32 <dih> anywho 13:06:38 <Mchl> they could answer: 'from here" 13:07:59 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1BA14.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:08:05 *** SirBob [~chatzilla@c122-107-227-146.eburwd5.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.82.1 [Firefox 3.0/2008052906]] 13:22:27 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 13:25:47 *** Osai^zZz`off is now known as Osai 13:28:10 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Quit: Ik ga weg] 13:47:02 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-143-045.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 13:47:10 <dih> would it be a lot of work to increase the grf limit (quick guesstimate)? 13:47:20 <dih> (not asking for trunk) 13:49:00 <Mchl> someone did it on forums IIRC 13:49:01 <Eddi|zuHause2> you mean it's not a #define MAX_GRFS 30 13:49:02 <Eddi|zuHause2> ? 13:49:33 * dih has no idea :-( 13:49:58 <Mchl> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=37435 13:50:01 <dih> i am asking because i am kinda wondering if there is more than just that to it 13:50:44 <dih> thanks Mchl, but we would not have to worry about that 13:50:51 <dih> i am considering this for wwottdgd 13:51:12 <Mchl> that's all I know about the issue :) 13:51:15 <dih> which is a build of openttd for a single event lasting about 24-36 hours 13:51:20 <dih> cool :-) 13:51:22 <dih> thanks 13:52:37 *** LA [~purple@ip202.cab18.mus.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 13:53:02 *** svippery [~svip@cpe.atm2-0-78233.0x535a2072.boanxx18.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 13:53:02 *** svippy [~svip@cpe.atm2-0-78233.0x535a2072.boanxx18.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:54:37 *** Hendikins [~wolfox@124.189.3.149] has quit [Quit: Any technology, no matter how primitive, is magic to those who don't understand it] 13:56:56 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@adsl-58.35.Static.ssp.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:57:15 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 14:00:06 *** svippy [~svip@cpe.atm2-0-78233.0x535a2072.boanxx18.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 14:00:06 *** svippery [~svip@cpe.atm2-0-78233.0x535a2072.boanxx18.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:01:07 *** staleundheim [~Staale@2.81-166-46.customer.lyse.net] has joined #openttd 14:01:26 *** grumbel [~grumbel@i577BA527.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 14:02:46 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 14:03:34 *** LA_ [~purple@ip202.cab18.mus.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 14:03:39 *** LA_ [~purple@ip202.cab18.mus.starman.ee] has quit [] 14:04:28 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm10.epsilon120.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [] 14:07:46 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.231.53] has joined #openttd 14:08:27 <TiberiusTeng> dih, if you're increasing LAST_GRF_SLOT and MAX_GRF_SLOTS, be sure to modify PNG_SLOT in png.cpp as well. 14:08:40 *** GoneWacko [GoneWacko@86-60-151-172-dyn-dsl.ssp.fi] has joined #openttd 14:08:53 <TiberiusTeng> (I always do that to load ~200 GRFs ... 14:09:41 <dih> TiberisTeng: do you have a working patch? 14:10:12 <dih> if you do, could you join #wwottdgd ;-) 14:10:35 *** LA [~purple@ip202.cab18.mus.starman.ee] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:10:48 <SmatZ> hehe 14:10:49 <TiberiusTeng> It's mererly 2 lines, I don't think it needs a patch :p 14:10:56 <glx> hmm there's a slot for sound IIRC 14:11:24 <dih> and there is a constant for the number of file pointser openttd (can) handle(s) 14:11:31 <Eddi|zuHause2> maybe that should be unified somehow ;) 14:11:33 <SmatZ> CONFIG_SLOT SOUND_SLOT PNG_SLOT 14:11:38 <TiberiusTeng> SOUND_SLOT = 1, FIRST_GRF_SLOT = 2 14:11:40 <TiberiusTeng> so that's okay 14:11:55 <SmatZ> why isn't PNG_SLOT in fios.h :-x 14:12:11 <TiberiusTeng> CONFIG_SLOT = 0 so that's okay too ... I don't know why PNG_SLOT at last 14:12:25 <TiberiusTeng> maybe it need a completely dynamic file number allocation scheme (?) 14:12:26 <glx> png is optional 14:12:50 <SmatZ> glx: still, it can be under #if defined(WITH_PNG) ... 14:12:54 <SmatZ> in fios.h 14:13:37 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- \o/] 14:17:00 <planetmaker> Hello 14:17:32 <planetmaker> TiberiusTeng: I played yesterday around with the newgrf window and various grfs. 14:17:34 <SmatZ> hello 14:17:42 *** staleundheim [~Staale@2.81-166-46.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:17:49 <planetmaker> It's not an issue of a particular grf that that patch doesn't work for me... 14:18:28 <planetmaker> But I'm not quite sure how to produce good debug output... 14:18:58 <planetmaker> hello SmatZ :) 14:19:04 *** BB [~chatzilla@catv-5665943f.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #openttd 14:19:04 <ccfreak2k> Good lord. 14:19:09 <ccfreak2k> Are there even 200 newGRFs? 14:19:28 <planetmaker> ccfreak2k: I'd guess you can reach that number, if you shop around 14:21:08 *** BB [~chatzilla@catv-5665943f.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [] 14:24:35 <TiberiusTeng> planetmaker, original NewGRF window doesn't have this issue ? 14:24:56 <fjb> When expanding one station so that it touches another station, is there a way to decide which of the two station the expansion belongs to? Or that simply not possible? 14:24:58 <planetmaker> TiberiusTeng: no, that works 14:25:08 <planetmaker> fjb: not possible 14:25:39 * planetmaker goes checking again 14:26:39 <planetmaker> yeah, no probs 14:27:03 <TiberiusTeng> that's really strange ... perhaps I messed up some pointers in newgrf_gui.cpp, because there isn't any malloc/free stuff in it 14:27:17 <TiberiusTeng> but it do trigger some malloc elsewhere 14:27:43 <TiberiusTeng> s/trigger/tripped/ 14:28:00 <planetmaker> the final message I get is "bus error" 14:28:11 <planetmaker> whatever that means... 14:29:08 <TiberiusTeng> I believe almost the same as segmentation fault 14:29:32 <planetmaker> hm. 14:31:22 <planetmaker> I guess, if I had at least _some_ proficiency with dbg, it would help... 14:33:10 <TiberiusTeng> I think Xcode have some debugging functionality ... 14:34:55 <planetmaker> he :) 14:35:05 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm10.epsilon120.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 14:35:17 <TiberiusTeng> or give me a VNC access to that Mac computer with patched OTTD ... is this a viable solution? :p 14:35:22 <Eddi|zuHause2> fjb: once upon a time the distant-join patch had a window for choosing the station to extend 14:35:28 <Belugas> hooo.. 14:35:33 <Belugas> Mogwai - I Know You Are But What Am I? 14:35:37 <Belugas> haaaa.... 14:35:39 *** curson [~curzon@60.32.176.184] has quit [Quit: If everything seems to be going well, you have obviously overlooked something.] 14:35:42 <Gekz> ;/ 14:37:16 <fjb> Eddi|zuHause2: Thank you. But I know that patch. My question was about the unpatched game. I thought about kind of embedding one station into another. 14:43:59 <fjb> It would mainly have been an eyecandy thing anyway. 14:44:32 <Eddi|zuHause2> but yes, a feature like this is definitely missing 14:47:20 *** Chrill [~chrischri@c80-216-64-31.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 14:47:42 <Belugas> station into another one?? an Eye Candy??? 14:47:54 <Belugas> gotta be kidding... 14:47:55 <fjb> Yes. :) 14:49:11 <fjb> A coal and an iron ore station, optically one station with different piles of coal and iron ore. :) 14:50:13 <Belugas> nuts 14:50:16 <Belugas> sorry, but... 14:50:17 <Belugas> nuts 14:50:34 <fjb> Why? Would have been looking nice. 14:51:20 <Belugas> can it be done by grf? 14:51:24 <Belugas> i thnk so 14:51:39 <Belugas> but code wise, it does not make sens 14:51:41 <Belugas> it is nuts 14:51:53 <planetmaker> [16:35] <TiberiusTeng> or give me a VNC access to that Mac computer with patched OTTD ... is this a viable solution? :p <--- hehe :) I think I better learn to debug :) 14:53:00 <fjb> What I read there is a problem when one kind of tile (the pile) has to show different kinds of minerals. Only one for a station can be shown. So you get only black or brown piles. 14:53:25 <planetmaker> Belugas: two adjacent stations with different cargo make sense from a routing point of view 14:53:39 <Belugas> that too 14:54:04 <planetmaker> and sometimes it happens/ed that stations grow together :) 14:54:12 <Belugas> grow???? 14:54:17 <fjb> That is the other problem. 14:54:31 <fjb> Yes, stations tend to grow. 14:55:09 <TiberiusTeng> I'm not sure how to compile OTTD with debug information ... ./configure --enable-debug ? 14:55:10 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: skidd13 * r13592 /trunk/src/bridge_gui.cpp: -Fix: window size remembering was broken 14:55:45 <planetmaker> Belugas: grow = required extensions due to increased traffic demands 14:55:47 <Eddi|zuHause2> you can put two stations next to each other, you just have to destroy the second station and build it completely new 14:55:53 * Belugas wonders if he uses the same game... 14:55:54 <planetmaker> TiberiusTeng: yes, that works for me 14:55:58 <TiberiusTeng> make && gdb ./openttd 14:56:02 <Eddi|zuHause2> (with ctrl) 14:56:09 <Belugas> than don';t say GROW! 14:56:18 <TiberiusTeng> when it crashes you'll drop into gdb 14:56:22 <Belugas> a city grows, a plant grows 14:56:25 <Belugas> not a station! 14:56:29 <Belugas> damned it 14:56:32 <TiberiusTeng> to see backtrack, variables, etc. 14:57:00 <planetmaker> :) Hey, I'm not a native speaker. extended would be the right word then 14:57:08 <fjb> Belugas: Sometimes it gets crowded: http://www.myimg.de/?img=NorthernInc12Feb198665db0.png 14:57:10 * Belugas nods 14:57:23 * Belugas goes to work 14:57:27 <Belugas> at work 14:57:52 <Eddi|zuHause2> then don't say GO! ;p 14:58:47 <fjb> He ran away from our ideas. 14:58:48 <TiberiusTeng> planetmaker, I think 'backtrace (bt)', 'frame (f)', 'list' will be the first 3 commands you'll need in gdb. good luck. ;) 14:59:36 <planetmaker> ok, just started 14:59:48 <Eddi|zuHause2> actually, i think "run" would be the first :p 14:59:59 <TiberiusTeng> Eddi|zuHause2, you got me :p 15:01:11 <TiberiusTeng> you can copy & paste the backtrace to http://dpaste.com/ so we can examine them together ... 15:02:03 * TiberiusTeng context-switches back to opengl branch 15:02:07 <planetmaker> TiberiusTeng: will do. But first it has to crash now. That takes time... which the computer does *something* 15:02:09 <fjb> What happened to the distand join stations patch? Did it have design issues? 15:02:21 <TiberiusTeng> planetmaker, take your time :p 15:02:24 <planetmaker> fjb: just grab it :) It works 15:03:15 <planetmaker> I think the latest update is by TiberiusTeng, but it still even applies to current trunk 15:04:19 <fjb> Hm, I don't like to always patch anything. Ok, I'm always using YAPP. 15:07:12 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d000172.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 15:11:09 <ccfreak2k> TiberiusTeng, where's my debug build? :( 15:11:43 <dih> in /dev/null 15:11:56 <TiberiusTeng> ccfreak2k, what do you mean? 15:12:23 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a41648.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 15:12:23 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 15:14:50 <Eddi|zuHause2> fjb: i believe it's mostly about convincing the devs that the feature is good, balanced and necessary 15:15:17 *** Osai is now known as Osai`off 15:15:40 <SpComb> Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd 15:15:40 <Bjarni> !logs 15:15:41 <fjb> Hm, yes, maybe limiting the join distance to about 5 tiles or something like that. 15:15:58 <glx> isn't this patch the one showing a station list to chose in? 15:16:08 <fjb> Yes. 15:16:13 <glx> not MP safe 15:16:15 <glx> IIRC 15:16:38 <fjb> Oh, that is not good. 15:17:08 <SmatZ> even if it was MP safe 15:17:13 <SmatZ> would it be included? 15:17:20 <fjb> What is the problem there? The cached station list? 15:17:58 <glx> the problem is you create the list on your client and another client can remove a station 15:18:19 <fjb> So the server has to manage the list. 15:19:49 <SmatZ> the command can fail then 15:20:19 <planetmaker> oh... hm. Should I remove it from wwottdgd? 15:22:01 <fjb> Then you will have to select the station to expand first. Like giving orders to vehicles. 15:23:21 <fjb> That would work without the station selection window. 15:24:23 <ccfreak2k> TiberiusTeng, didn't you say you were going to make a opengl build for me or something? 15:25:06 <planetmaker> TiberiusTeng: http://paste.openttd.org/19328 <--- there you go 15:25:09 <planetmaker> :) 15:26:20 <glx> not enough memory 15:27:01 <glx> you should have seen a message box with "Out of memory. Cannot allocate 564 bytes" 15:27:16 <fjb> Oh, oh... 15:28:39 <glx> but your OS failed to allocate memory for the message box 15:28:48 <planetmaker> well, no. 15:28:53 <Gekz> lol 15:29:02 <Gekz> I love OASIS 15:29:09 <Gekz> it crashed at school, and the error was 15:29:13 <Gekz> "Error text missing" 15:29:27 *** Ridayah [~ridayah@12-207-35-180.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:29:38 <planetmaker> I didn't see that message. But it shouldn't be a memory problem from "hardware too limited" :) 15:29:42 <SmatZ> 564 bytes, wow :-x 15:30:01 <planetmaker> :) 15:30:06 <glx> anyway the stack trace tells that 15:30:09 <SmatZ> how can that happen? 15:30:31 <planetmaker> glx: yes, that I see. But I don't understand as it only happens with the newgrf window patch. 15:30:34 <SmatZ> "Out of memory. Cannot allocate 564 bytes", message=0x178564 "See readme for more info\nMost likely you are missing files from the original TTD" 15:30:43 <SmatZ> isn';t the text a bit misleading? 15:30:46 *** Volley [~worf@84.119.76.206] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:30:54 <planetmaker> he, that, too. 15:30:54 <glx> it's OSX, I don't care ;) 15:31:14 <SmatZ> hehe 15:31:20 <glx> but indeed all message boxes have this extra text for OSX 15:34:54 <planetmaker> hm 15:36:41 <TiberiusTeng> ccfreak2k, yes, and I'm still working on it :( 15:37:33 <TiberiusTeng> wait, Out of memory?! 15:39:05 <TiberiusTeng> seems that trace is not very helpful ... hmm 15:39:49 <TiberiusTeng> CopyGRFConfigList ... ok. 15:42:34 <planetmaker> hm... it has to be somewhere there. It happens, whenever I click on "apply changes" to the grf list selector 15:47:41 *** Chrill [~chrischri@c80-216-64-31.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Quit: I Won't Worry my Life Away. I Won't and I Won't and I Won't] 15:51:35 *** NukeBuster [~NukeBuste@80.101.115.82] has joined #openttd 15:52:08 <TiberiusTeng> ahh! time for Candy Boy ep02 15:52:17 <planetmaker> hm? 15:59:50 <TiberiusTeng> http://tw.youtube.com/watch?v=cIR2GLeynqw <-- first ep 16:00:01 <TiberiusTeng> ep02 (japanese) just went online @ NicoVideo 16:00:10 <planetmaker> IC :) 16:04:12 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1BA14.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:11:03 <peter1138> replace "tw" with your country code to make it usable :p 16:11:32 <peter1138> anime is so tedious 16:14:07 <TiberiusTeng> planetmaker, did you drag-drop or used the add button ? 16:14:29 <TiberiusTeng> I'm still looking for any suspicious memory access ... 16:14:58 <planetmaker> TiberiusTeng: I tried without changing anything (with both, grfs already selected due to openttd.cfg and none) and with the arrow button 16:15:02 <planetmaker> I didn't try drag 16:15:25 <TiberiusTeng> hmm ... 16:15:42 <planetmaker> the result is the same 16:16:07 <planetmaker> I can swap the names fine between the windows. The button apply triggers it 16:22:27 <TiberiusTeng> the accessing/modifying code is almost verbatim copy of original, and the crash point is MallocT complaining out of memory ... I'm puzzled. 16:22:41 <TiberiusTeng> seems you should remove this patch before the problem get solved :( 16:23:33 <planetmaker> TiberiusTeng: hm... yeah. Sad as it is, I tend to agree. I also don't find a clue whatsoever... 16:24:00 <TiberiusTeng> ahh. wait a second. 16:24:06 <TiberiusTeng> sel_l didn't get initialized! 16:25:00 <TiberiusTeng> don't know if that's the problem though 16:25:30 <TiberiusTeng> since I can't test & reproduce the situation here. try add this->sel_l = NULL in NewGRFWindow() just above where it initializes sel_r and see how it goes? 16:30:25 <planetmaker> compiling... 16:40:27 <planetmaker> hm.... no. 16:41:55 <planetmaker> :( 16:43:41 <TiberiusTeng> ouch. 16:45:48 <planetmaker> I'll raise my level of bloodsugar now and then I'll have another look 16:46:28 <Belugas> fun to see you guys debugging :) 16:46:37 <Belugas> it changes ;) 16:47:08 <planetmaker> eh? 16:47:58 <TiberiusTeng> I really wish someone have Mac and expertise in debugging can lend us a hand ~_~ 16:48:53 <Belugas> and time, don't forget time... 16:49:11 <planetmaker> hehe :) 16:49:28 <planetmaker> bbl 16:49:31 *** planetmaker is now known as planetmaker|away 16:49:42 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-143-045.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: und weg] 16:51:41 *** svippery [~svip@cpe.atm2-0-78233.0x535a2072.boanxx18.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 16:51:41 *** svippy [~svip@cpe.atm2-0-78233.0x535a2072.boanxx18.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:01:42 *** svippy [~svip@cpe.atm2-0-78233.0x535a2072.boanxx18.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 17:01:42 *** svippery [~svip@cpe.atm2-0-78233.0x535a2072.boanxx18.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:02:40 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 17:02:56 * eekee has a mac; plans to be around in a couple of hours to help with debugging 17:04:11 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@86.89.201.189] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 17:04:35 *** planetmaker|away is now known as planetmaker 17:09:17 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm10.epsilon120.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [] 17:11:24 <TiberiusTeng> I still can't see how it crashes without doing anything before clicking 'Apply' after opening the window ... ahh 17:11:37 <TiberiusTeng> maybe I should put it around for a while 17:14:36 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1BA14.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:16:28 *** Boyinblue0 [~admin@5ac85a48.bb.sky.com] has quit [] 17:22:03 <TiberiusTeng> ahh ... don't tell me for (); and for () {} differs 17:26:39 <blathijs> TiberiusTeng: Differs in what? 17:27:26 <TiberiusTeng> for (c = nw->list; c != NULL && i > 0; c = c->next, i--) {} 17:27:28 <TiberiusTeng> for (c = nw->list; c != NULL && i > 0; c = c->next, i--); 17:32:11 <blathijs> That shouldn't be compiled differently I guess 17:32:20 <TiberiusTeng> I think so ... 17:32:33 <blathijs> But you are seeing a difference? 17:32:37 <TiberiusTeng> planetmaker, you got more than 256 newgrf's ? just found another nasty spot using uint8 to count newgrf's ... 17:33:03 <TiberiusTeng> in SetupNewGRFWindow() // heh, not written by me actually -_- 17:33:14 <planetmaker> TiberiusTeng: no, just a few 17:33:28 <planetmaker> hm... wait, also on the not loaded side? 17:33:30 <planetmaker> hm... 17:35:01 <TiberiusTeng> it's just annoying when the place crashed =/= the place screwed it up ... 17:35:17 <planetmaker> he, yeah 17:36:14 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-229-151.prem.tmns.net.au] has quit [] 17:36:36 <TiberiusTeng> the counter should only affect scrolling bar size 17:37:52 <planetmaker> I'll check with less grf (moving my data dir) 17:39:38 <TiberiusTeng> how about opening the window -> close? (not clicking 'Apply') 17:40:39 <planetmaker> will try, too. I'm just recompiling 17:49:15 <planetmaker> arg... 17:49:26 <planetmaker> it works :P 17:49:41 <planetmaker> but don't ask me why. 17:50:31 <planetmaker> seems like the svn files were somehow seriously borked and revert and up didn't help anymore.... 17:50:37 <planetmaker> sorry for wasting your time :( 17:50:54 <planetmaker> (and mine) :P 17:51:38 <TiberiusTeng> it works? 17:51:43 <planetmaker> yes 17:51:44 <TiberiusTeng> what works? and how works? 17:51:54 <TiberiusTeng> or it JUST WORKS(tm)? XD 17:53:14 <TiberiusTeng> I'm almost digging into MacOS' malloc debugging ... google("can't allocate region") have many interesting posts about various softwares ... 17:53:53 <planetmaker> it just works :). The svn checkout I had been using must have *something* strange, which didn't go away with svn up and / or svn revert to other / similar / same version 17:53:55 <planetmaker> dunno :S 17:54:23 <planetmaker> may I hand you some nice, cool guiness? 17:55:52 <planetmaker> lesson learnt: if it doesn't work, take new dir, new co and try the same again... don't just do a clean revert. 17:56:06 <TiberiusTeng> yeah. 17:56:11 <TiberiusTeng> it's a nice lesson ... 17:56:14 <planetmaker> he 17:56:36 <planetmaker> I wished it had been less frustrating and time consuming... especially as it also consumed yours and not mine... 17:56:42 <planetmaker> ... alone 17:57:10 * planetmaker wonders how much lauging is going on behind the scenes.... :) 17:57:44 <TiberiusTeng> so ... ccfreak2k, seems my promise (?) will be delay for another ... day? :p 17:57:50 <TiberiusTeng> gotta sleep 8) 17:58:05 <planetmaker> :) have a good night, TiberiusTeng :) And thx a lot 17:58:56 <TiberiusTeng> nah, I contributed nothing on this incident ... 17:59:14 <TiberiusTeng> I'll update those nasty variables and make another diff tomorrow, at least 17:59:32 <planetmaker> TiberiusTeng: you did. You may just not feel like :) 18:02:06 <glx> <TiberiusTeng> ahh ... don't tell me for (); and for () {} differs <-- the first one gives a warning in gcc 4 18:04:32 *** Phoenix_the_II [rdeboom@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 18:06:58 <Touqen> the first is probably a bug 18:10:28 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-111-36.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [Quit: Have a nice weekend!] 18:18:03 <Phoenix_the_II> hmmm 18:18:09 <Phoenix_the_II> does openttd support OSS4? 18:18:29 <Rubidium> never heard of that 18:18:40 <Phoenix_the_II> Open Sound System 18:18:42 <Phoenix_the_II> ... 18:18:43 <Phoenix_the_II> :D 18:18:59 <Rubidium> if SDL does, then yes, if it doesn't, then no 18:19:04 <Phoenix_the_II> ah 18:19:14 <Phoenix_the_II> ok, thats a good enough hint :D 18:24:04 <ccfreak2k> Old Sound System? 18:24:16 <Prof_Frink> Obsolete Sound System? 18:24:20 <eekee> open sound system 18:24:29 <eekee> oh lol 18:26:22 <Phoenix_the_II> ............. 18:26:48 <Phoenix_the_II> I'm the lucky guy wanting to get sound out of my X-Fi 18:26:55 <Phoenix_the_II> and can only use OSS4 18:27:15 <eekee> hmm I'd have got an x-fi if I could 18:28:26 <peter1138> harr harr 18:28:36 <peter1138> intel hda works great for me :D 18:28:53 <Belugas> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=38054 <-- VERY good reason for not having automatic grf downloads... 18:28:58 <Belugas> boring VERY BORING users!! 18:29:12 <eekee> not quite good enough for me. I put my old SB live in my comp. It's not fault-free, but it's better 18:29:54 <peter1138> i have my sb live in too 18:29:57 <peter1138> but it's unused, heh 18:30:01 <Prof_Frink> Belugas: A better reason would be the exploit I've found in the newgrf code. 18:30:07 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B8342B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:30:17 <Phoenix_the_II> i got a sb live aswell :P 18:31:16 <peter1138> i put it in for the game/midi port 18:31:35 <peter1138> but turned out i don't need it, and that bit isn't supported under vista anyway 18:31:41 <peter1138> fucking vista 18:31:48 <peter1138> or rather 18:31:50 <peter1138> fucking creative 18:31:55 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B83867.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 18:31:56 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 18:32:26 <Belugas> Prof_Frink ? 18:32:47 <Belugas> planetmaker : http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=38078 ... come on... 18:33:16 <planetmaker> hehe :) 18:33:17 *** svippy [~svip@cpe.atm2-0-78233.0x535a2072.boanxx18.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:33:20 *** svippy [~svip@cpe.atm2-0-78233.0x535a2072.boanxx18.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 18:33:53 <planetmaker> don't you consider it a nice feature, Belugas? 18:33:58 <Prof_Frink> Belugas: My carefully crafted GRF that takes over people's computers. 18:35:18 <planetmaker> if you point me to a better place to collect random ideas which might be nice for OpenTTD, I'll also gladly use that :) 18:37:39 <Belugas> planetmaker, if a user does not know what grf this or that comes from, he just used anything and dumped it in his game 18:37:57 <Belugas> so, not going to supoprt laziness 18:38:19 <Belugas> if it is really required, just caetea agame and one after the other, test the grfs 18:38:30 <Belugas> that is.. quite silly, in my humble opinion 18:38:34 <planetmaker> Belugas: in multiplayer the people who build something are often not around and it is way faster to just check a tile 18:38:52 <planetmaker> it's definitely not about lazyness. 18:40:06 <peter1138> if it's not lazyness, go implement it :D 18:40:23 <planetmaker> :D 18:40:55 <SmatZ> planetmaker: hehe I several times wanted to code that 18:41:03 <SmatZ> but never got to it... 18:41:06 <planetmaker> I fear messing around with the for me so far incomprehensible code wrt grfs :) 18:41:16 <SmatZ> problem is probably that "static" structure of TileInfo 18:41:28 <SmatZ> probably it would need to be more dynamic 18:42:04 <planetmaker> hm... cannot say I understand that entirely. A tile has to know what's built on it, doesn't it? 18:42:16 <SmatZ> yeah 18:42:23 <SmatZ> but the structure you are filling the info to 18:42:27 <SmatZ> has given fields 18:42:29 <planetmaker> but at this point: I haven't looked at the graphics data structure... 18:42:32 <SmatZ> with given meaning 18:42:39 <planetmaker> k 18:42:50 <SmatZ> so you could either add "GRF name" and "additional GRF text" 18:43:03 <SmatZ> or make it "dynamic" 18:43:19 <SmatZ> so it returns pairs of "title" and "value" 18:43:21 <SmatZ> or so 18:43:34 <planetmaker> there's no such thing as a lookup table like: tile xy has graphics ab which belongs to set mn ? 18:43:40 <SmatZ> planetmaker: anyway, bugs.openttd.org is the place for feature requests 18:43:50 <SmatZ> well 18:43:55 <SmatZ> that's not universal 18:44:07 <SmatZ> so, no 18:44:12 <SmatZ> there is not such a table 18:44:18 <planetmaker> :) I considered posting it there. But I figured it might be better to gather some community feedback first :) 18:44:24 <SmatZ> hehe 18:44:45 <planetmaker> and keep the officiality-level a bit lower :) 18:46:25 <Belugas> my feedback is known : BEURK! 18:47:37 <SmatZ> Belugas: don't you like that? 18:47:41 <Belugas> no 18:47:44 <Belugas> not at all 18:47:48 <Belugas> pas pantoute 18:47:50 <planetmaker> he. I think there's no need for me to look up the meaning of "beurk" :) 18:47:54 <SmatZ> hm 18:48:10 <SmatZ> so, Belugas doesn't like it, it won't be implemented, sorry 18:48:10 <Belugas> i'm sorry to be rude, 18:48:29 <Belugas> but since we are asked on and on to comment, i do, and soory for the colateral damages 18:48:41 <Belugas> not by me, at least, SmatZ 18:48:45 <Belugas> for sure for sure 18:49:29 <planetmaker> Belugas: that's why I didn't put it to flyspray. Maybe some motivated person likes it and implements it decently :) 18:49:53 <Belugas> to be honest, I would be VERY surprised 18:50:03 <planetmaker> honestly: me to :) 18:50:09 <planetmaker> but hope dies last :) 18:50:13 <SmatZ> well there isn't question if anyone codes that 18:50:14 <Belugas> and i do not talk ONLY abut the "decently" part... 18:50:20 <SmatZ> but if it will be implemented in trunk 18:50:34 <planetmaker> two questions, indeed. 18:51:11 <planetmaker> or rather three: who? how? acceptable for trunk? 18:52:07 <planetmaker> for me it's - as written - very low priority, but nice-to-have feature 18:53:23 <planetmaker> I'll play happily with and without :) 18:59:34 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:07:52 * Mchl wonders if it is possible to have buildings from two grfs on one tile 19:08:29 <peter1138> possibly eventually 19:08:32 <peter1138> well, objects anyway 19:08:41 <Mchl> objects sure 19:08:46 <SmatZ> hehe you may replace some sprites of a building 19:08:57 <peter1138> a station from foo on a rail type from bar 19:08:59 <Mchl> I can have a train on a station 19:09:01 <SmatZ> but that would look weird 19:09:43 <Mchl> and a bridge from one set over road from another... 19:10:03 <Mchl> but I think no two building ATM 19:13:42 <frosch123> do you consider a house from one grf, using the grass ground sprites from default grfs (or some landscape grf), as a house from two grfs? 19:15:03 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1BA14.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:15:16 <SmatZ> frosch123: and foundation for another GRF 19:15:19 <SmatZ> *from 19:15:24 <planetmaker> only, if I'd be a grasshopper. Then I could build a flat out of grass,too. But then I'd have to look out for frogs ;) 19:22:17 *** Yexo [~Yexo@ip51cca4b5.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined #openttd 19:39:29 *** Mark [~M4rk@5351EE62.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:40:52 *** M4rk [~M4rk@5351EE62.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 19:40:56 *** M4rk is now known as Mark 19:50:15 <SpComb> meh, this YAPP OpenTTD game is just desyncing every other minute :( 19:51:02 <planetmaker> which? ^ 19:51:11 <ecke> SpComb which version? 19:51:29 <Belugas> with or without grfs? 19:52:10 <ecke> i used TiPP and have problem with trams .... tram was stoped on the road and when i clikc on it i see it in garage on the other side of map 19:52:22 <SpComb> v8, plenty of GRFs 19:52:43 <Belugas> so, in other words, it can be grfs as well as YAPP... 19:52:44 <SpComb> recently loaded the savegame via singleplayer and added in a tram NewGRF 19:53:04 * Belugas rolls eyes 19:53:13 <SpComb> yeah, I'm not surprised either 19:53:13 <SmatZ> hehe 19:53:39 *** ob0t [andyf@dangermouse.pod4.org] has joined #openttd 19:53:40 <Rubidium> SpComb: using any of the canadian GRFs? 19:53:59 <SpComb> no 19:54:22 <Rubidium> ukrs? 19:54:46 *** Sionide- [sionide@cornflakes.imen.org.uk] has joined #openttd 19:54:59 <SpComb> nope 19:55:32 <Rubidium> then I've got no real idea, except that clients might be using static NewGRFs causing troubl 19:55:39 <SpComb> http://qmsk.srv.myottd.net/~terom/stuff/ottd_r13495M_newgrfs.png 19:55:52 *** ob0t_ [andyf@dangermouse.pod4.org] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:56:37 <Rubidium> is it easily reproducable when you reload the game in the server? 19:57:01 *** Sionide [sionide@cornflakes.imen.org.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:57:08 *** einKarl [~einKarl@91-65-234-54-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:57:47 *** Sionide- is now known as Sionide 19:58:15 <SpComb> let's see 20:03:02 <svippy> No you! 20:03:42 <pavel1269> i dont think YAPP can cause dasync since i play with it for a long time (just three long games, but still) and no problem 20:04:02 <SpComb> perhaps it's the loading-newgrfs-in-midgame that's causing it then 20:04:48 <eekee> what address does flyspray send email from? 20:07:11 <eekee> ah nvm the email just took time to come 20:11:07 <Belugas> never a good idea, SpComb. never 20:13:27 *** Touqen [~stephen@c-98-216-253-146.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:17:14 *** mikl [~mikl@c-4f663a61-74736162.cust.telenor.se] has joined #openttd 20:18:42 *** Touqen [~stephen@c-98-216-253-146.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 20:20:24 *** mikl [~mikl@c-4f663a61-74736162.cust.telenor.se] has quit [] 20:23:26 *** Sanity [~sanity@olof-herngren.narkotikapolisen.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:27:08 *** Sanity [~sanity@olof-herngren.narkotikapolisen.se] has joined #openttd 20:28:12 *** Yexo [~Yexo@ip51cca4b5.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:41:20 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: smatz * r13593 /trunk/src/vehicle_gui.cpp: -Fix [FS#2095](r13524): sorting by cargo capacity was broken 20:46:04 * eekee updaets 20:47:28 <eekee> SmatZ: awesome service, thanks, lol 20:47:37 <SmatZ> :-) 20:54:07 *** Volley [~worf@84.119.76.144] has joined #openttd 20:54:39 <planetmaker> he, yeah. 10 minutes to late to make it into the next wwottdgd test run 20:59:49 <planetmaker> :) 21:00:28 <SmatZ> :( 21:04:51 *** svippery [~svip@cpe.atm2-0-78233.0x535a2072.boanxx18.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 21:04:51 *** svippy [~svip@cpe.atm2-0-78233.0x535a2072.boanxx18.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:11:39 *** curson [~curzon@60.32.176.184] has joined #openttd 21:14:22 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: frosch * r13594 /trunk/src/ (date.cpp date_func.h date_type.h newgrf.cpp): -Feature(ette)[FS#2093]: Supply newgrfs with 'day of month', 'leap year' and 'day of year'. 21:16:41 <Eddi|zuHause2> no fancy "Support of variable XY"?? 21:18:34 <pavel1269> gn 21:19:08 *** pavel1269 [~pavel.g@48.140.broadband2.iol.cz] has quit [] 21:20:14 *** svippery is now known as svip 21:20:28 <svip> So, Eddi|zuHause2, when are you releasing the text-based version of openttd? 21:20:37 <Eddi|zuHause2> wtf? 21:20:54 <svip> Oh, no such plans? 21:20:55 <Bjarni> svip: there already is one 21:21:02 <svip> ooo 21:21:02 <Bjarni> it's called dedicated server 21:21:06 <Eddi|zuHause2> just pipe sdl through aalib 21:21:41 <SmatZ> SDL_VIDEODRIVER=aalib bin/openttd 21:21:55 <eekee> a nethack-like display would be more fun than aalib ^_^; 21:22:12 <svip> You hear some trains in the distance. 21:22:12 <Eddi|zuHause2> and why me of all people?!? 21:22:25 <SmatZ> :-D @ svip 21:22:27 <eekee> svip: no that's adventure and wumpus 21:22:37 <SmatZ> I spent a lot of time with nethack :) 21:22:46 <SmatZ> never finished it though 21:23:08 * Bjarni starts to wonder what nethack is 21:23:08 <eekee> so did I, but I cheated with a pixielated Qt interface :D 21:23:12 <SmatZ> and cheated by backuping savegames :-P 21:23:14 <Bjarni> I heard the name before but.... 21:23:35 <svip> Pixielated? 21:23:40 <svip> Sounds like a pixie version. 21:23:40 <SmatZ> Bjarni: an RPG game 21:23:44 <SmatZ> text-based 21:23:54 <eekee> Bjarni: text-mode RPG with top-down view. Used different characters to represent walls, monsters, etc 21:23:56 <Mchl> Bjarni: a rouguealike RPG game 21:24:17 <eekee> svip: ya, not really the right word. It had pixmaps, images 21:24:42 <Mchl> there's also graphical interface for it, that puts bitmaps instead of chars 21:24:52 <SmatZ> replacing characters with bitmaps :) 21:25:00 <SmatZ> hehe yeah Mchl 21:25:10 <Eddi|zuHause2> svip: you still did not answer my question 21:25:17 <Mchl> or like... several such interfaces actually 21:25:20 <Mchl> ... 21:25:27 <Mchl> I think I've even seen one with isomteric view 21:25:36 <svip> I'd rather spend eternity eating sharps of broken glass, Eddi|zuHause2. 21:25:41 <Bjarni> http://gnuwin.epfl.ch/apps/nethack/appImages/screenshot.jpg <-- looks pretty impressive for ascii art maps 21:25:50 <eekee> yeah, I think there might have been one opengl one, although I doubt it looked wonderful 21:25:50 <Bjarni> :P 21:26:07 <Mchl> yeah... you've found it 21:26:17 <svip> Bjarni, that's why you should love unicode. 21:26:18 <eekee> sweet 21:26:19 <Eddi|zuHause2> i think someone earned a big *PLONK* right there... 21:26:21 <svip> It's that powerful. 21:27:21 <Bjarni> http://hrmpf.com/wordpress/wp-content/nethackbig.jpg <-- but I guess you were talking about this version 21:27:29 <Mchl> I never really got into nethack... but I spend endless hours with ADOM, which is quite similar 21:27:42 <SmatZ> ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=~x86 emerge noegnud-nethack noegnud-slashem 21:27:49 <SmatZ> for those gentoo-users there :) 21:28:00 <Eddi|zuHause2> <SmatZ> replacing characters with bitmaps :) <- i remember norton utilities did that for the mouse coursors 21:28:19 <Eddi|zuHause2> and checkboxes 21:28:38 <Bjarni> hmm... the text looks like it's 2nd edition AD&D 21:29:06 <eekee> It probably is 21:29:13 <eekee> (based on that, that is) 21:30:14 <Bjarni> reminds me of a character I once had (in a paperbased game). I rolled him and he had 18 str, 16 dex and 17 con. I decided for a fighter and rolled 1D100 for str... and rolled 96 21:30:23 <SmatZ> Eddi|zuHause2: yeah, it was nice to see it after program start, how some characters changed :) 21:30:30 <Bjarni> nobody wanted to pick a bar fight with that guy :D 21:30:35 <eekee> :D 21:30:40 <SmatZ> :-D 21:30:52 *** Touqen [~stephen@c-98-216-253-146.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:31:07 <SmatZ> I don't like these game much 21:31:20 <SmatZ> you can spend one day rolling the dices :-P 21:31:24 <SmatZ> to get nice values 21:31:28 <SmatZ> boring 21:31:35 <Bjarni> I never did that 21:31:40 *** Volley [~worf@84.119.76.144] has quit [] 21:32:05 <SmatZ> I remember I played TES2 : Daggerfall ... 21:32:09 <Bjarni> I just rolled right away and stayed at whatever it was (except if average score was below 7 or something like that) 21:32:09 <Mchl> I remember a female thief I played once in Warhammer FRP 21:32:11 <SmatZ> there were dices at game start, too... 21:32:23 <Mchl> I rolled her height to be about two meters... 21:32:28 <Mchl> pretty stealth... 21:32:35 <eekee> lol! 21:32:36 <SmatZ> hehe 21:35:00 <Bjarni> I remember one time when I had a cleric. While I was sleeping my party member decided to attack me (why???). He attacked with some spell and rolled it badly. I made my saving through and survived and killed him before he had a new action 21:35:07 <Bjarni> that was kind of stupid 21:35:37 *** Ridayah [~ridayah@12-208-15-67.client.mchsi.com] has joined #openttd 21:35:39 <SmatZ> hehe 21:36:20 <Bjarni> then I had no guard so I didn't want to sleep on the ground. I climbed a tree and started sleeping up there and fell down X_X 21:36:34 <SmatZ> :-D 21:37:43 <Mchl> yeah... party members are more deadly than enything that can be found in Monster's Manual 21:37:56 <Mchl> Monsters' 21:38:24 <Bjarni> I never figured out why he attacked me 21:38:57 <Mchl> bored? 21:39:01 <Bjarni> he was somewhat upset afterwards 21:39:12 <Bjarni> I don't think he was bored 21:39:29 <Mchl> hmm.. 21:39:29 <Bjarni> he was somewhat bored afterwards though 21:39:34 <Mchl> lol 21:39:38 <SmatZ> :-) 21:39:45 <Bjarni> until I cast "speak with dead" 21:39:50 <SmatZ> heheeh 21:40:00 <Bjarni> and then raise dead 21:40:18 <Bjarni> he then had to suffer -1 con permanently for that stunt 21:40:28 <Mchl> tough luck 21:40:49 <Mchl> do you know Order of The Stick? 21:40:56 <Bjarni> no 21:41:19 <Mchl> google it if you dare losing severa hours on D&D themed webcomic 21:41:24 *** Touqen [~stephen@c-98-216-253-146.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 21:41:24 <Mchl> quite funny 21:42:50 <Bjarni> I read that Facebook, google and so on will be services that you will have to pay for from 2012 or something like that 21:42:53 *** Volley [~worf@84.119.76.144] has joined #openttd 21:43:08 <Mchl> how about OTTD? 21:43:40 <Bjarni> the great part was that a whole lot of people (including media people) took it seriously and it turned out to be produced by some guy who wanted to make a joke 21:44:03 <Prof_Frink> Bjarni: Well, you will have to pay to use google 21:44:06 <eekee> heh 21:44:08 <Prof_Frink> As google will be your ISP 21:44:11 <ccfreak2k> Must be a spin on the old "MSN will charge for e-mail addresses". 21:44:32 <Mchl> I'm still wondering, what's google eventually going to do 21:44:57 <Mchl> they're not giving free services without some plan I suppose 21:44:57 <Prof_Frink> Mchl: Googlebot will become self-aware. 21:45:30 <Bjarni> we considered stop giving out OpenTTD for free 21:45:39 <Bjarni> and talked about charging an arm and a leg for it 21:45:40 <Prof_Frink> You thought the Terminator was bad? Well, now it knows that you searched for goat porn. 21:45:49 *** curson [~curzon@60.32.176.184] has quit [Quit: If everything seems to be going well, you have obviously overlooked something.] 21:45:52 * Mchl just thinks of consequences of self-aware web bots... 21:45:56 <Bjarni> but we decided against it.... we wouldn't know what to do with a pile of arms and legs 21:45:57 <Prof_Frink> Bjarni: The term "Fork off" comes to mind. 21:46:31 *** Yexo [~Yexo@ip51cca4b5.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined #openttd 21:46:45 <Mchl> say it with Scottish accent, and it'll actually sound rude :P 21:49:29 <Bjarni> say it with a Welsh accent and you will actually sound... ununderstandable :P 21:49:46 <Prof_Frink> Fork off, boyo 21:50:00 <Prof_Frink> or "Baaaaaaaa" 21:53:32 *** [com]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has joined #openttd 21:54:03 *** Sacro [Ben@adsl-87-102-119-5.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Coyote finally caught me] 21:54:21 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:54:44 *** Phoenix_the_II [rdeboom@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:08:28 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d000172.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:09:25 *** Digitalfox_ [~Digitalfo@bl10-66-226.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:12:17 *** Pikka [~PikkaBird@CPE-124-187-6-142.qld.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 22:14:40 *** Volley [~worf@84.119.76.144] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:15:43 *** [com]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has quit [Quit: Operator, give me an exit] 22:18:56 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-143-045.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 22:23:14 *** Mchl [~mchl@abee44.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Quit: Night] 22:31:10 <SpComb> mm, tasty, a special high-speed line for my first ICE train <3 22:31:23 <SpComb> it goes ~281km/h in a straight line across half the map 22:37:55 *** Slowpoke [Lobster@dslb-088-073-254-209.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 22:38:27 <SpComb> crap, except now I managed to crash one of my BR 103s :( 22:38:29 <SpComb> they don't sell them anymore 22:39:44 <fjb> Try to get one second hand. 22:44:46 <fjb> Hm, how is the airport noise calculated? I don't understand the wiki. 22:53:15 <SpComb> fjb: the bad side of having a monopoly 22:53:26 <Eddi|zuHause2> fjb: the bigger the airport the bigger the noise, the bigger the town the bigger the tolerance 22:53:43 <SpComb> so you have five international airports in a town 22:53:45 <Eddi|zuHause2> SpComb: use 120s or something 22:53:53 <fjb> SpComb: Hm, so no buying from yourself... 22:54:16 <SpComb> Eddi|zuHause2: nor do they sell BR 120s, I subsituted it with a BR 112 22:54:34 <Eddi|zuHause2> 101s were the successors of the 103 22:54:36 <SpComb> the BR120 doesn't last very long 22:54:48 <fjb> I know the basic working of the noise. What I need are numbers. How do I calculate the minimum distance? 22:55:00 <SpComb> indeed, the BR120 does 160km/h, the BR 103 did 201km/h 22:55:11 <fjb> SpComb: Then you have to go for the ICE. 22:55:11 <Eddi|zuHause2> practically all IC business is done with 101 now 22:55:34 <fjb> Ok, or 101. 22:55:42 <Eddi|zuHause2> which was that other 200km/h one then? 181? 22:57:00 <SpComb> I've still got one or two BR 116's doing local services, mostly replaced with BR140s, now with BR112s 22:57:30 <fjb> 181 is only 160km/h. 22:57:58 *** Farden [~jk3farden@ram94-7-82-232-189-236.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:58:16 <SpComb> mainline is one BR101, some early-model BR103s, some late-model BR103s, two ICE1s 23:00:37 <fjb> That sounds ok. 23:01:04 <SpComb> (plus two BR01s...) 23:03:44 *** svippy [~svip@cpe.atm2-0-78233.0x535a2072.boanxx18.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 23:03:44 *** svip [~svip@cpe.atm2-0-78233.0x535a2072.boanxx18.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:06:21 <dih>  23:07:32 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 23:09:36 <ccfreak2k> <SpComb> mm, tasty, a special high-speed line for my first ICE train <3 23:09:54 <ccfreak2k> I saw an episode of Modern Marvels earlier which featured a certain German ICE train. 23:10:01 <ccfreak2k> That crashed. 23:10:01 <Eddi|zuHause2> yes, we read that line :p 23:10:12 <ccfreak2k> I paste it for context. 23:10:39 <Eddi|zuHause2> yeah, as the discussion is that far gone from there... 23:10:48 <ccfreak2k> Which is why I did that. 23:11:37 <Eddi|zuHause2> and yes, the ICE crash near Eschede is the worst german train accident in modern history 23:12:43 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: truebrain * r13595 /branches/noai/bin/ai/ (6 files in 3 dirs): [NoAI] -Add [Library CHANGE]: introducing graph.aystar v4 and pathfinder.road v3, allowing directional searches, tweaking those few bad routes into perfect routes (Yexo) 23:18:50 <SmatZ> @seen Yorick 23:18:51 <DorpsGek> SmatZ: Yorick was last seen in #openttd 2 days, 5 hours, 30 minutes, and 43 seconds ago: <yorick> ok :) 23:26:58 *** svippery [~svip@cpe.atm2-0-78233.0x535a2072.boanxx18.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 23:26:58 *** svippy [~svip@cpe.atm2-0-78233.0x535a2072.boanxx18.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:27:36 *** Digitalfox [~Digitalfo@bl10-66-226.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 23:29:05 <SpComb> ah crap, no more diesel passenger engines 23:29:16 <SpComb> not even the ICE-TD yet 23:30:15 <Eddi|zuHause2> diesel engines were rarely divided into passenger and freight 23:30:38 <Eddi|zuHause2> they were used universally most of the time 23:30:54 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 23:31:29 <SpComb> well, in 1999 the only Diesel engine in the DB-set is the DE-AC33C 23:31:33 <SpComb> blue tiger, iirc 23:32:20 <Eddi|zuHause2> west germany focused on electrification most of the time, and east germany had no tracks for trains going faster than 120km/h 23:32:21 *** Zahl [~Zahl@p549F18C9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: (~_~]"] 23:32:40 <Eddi|zuHause2> except the 18 201 which was used for testing 23:32:57 * SpComb is still running two 69 year old ET-87s up north 23:33:14 <SpComb> the first passenger trains that I built, and I've not yet got around to replacing them 23:36:55 <Eddi|zuHause2> i find it bad that i cannot recolour the train sets 23:57:22 *** NukeBuster [~NukeBuste@80.101.115.82] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]