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00:11:05 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:12:58 *** Digitalfox [~Digitalfo@bl8-53-122.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:16:33 *** Wolf01|AWAY is now known as Wolf01 00:16:48 <Wolf01> 'night 00:16:52 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host126-174-dynamic.60-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 00:18:51 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1EDD4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:33:41 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B761D5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:37:12 *** Digitalfox [~Digitalfo@bl8-53-122.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 00:40:10 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B76762.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:42:09 *** thelastwaltz [~thelastwa@CPE-65-29-159-108.wi.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 00:42:27 *** thelastwaltz [~thelastwa@CPE-65-29-159-108.wi.res.rr.com] has quit [] 00:59:38 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 01:06:22 *** powell [~powell@cpe-024-162-243-234.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:16:04 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 01:19:19 <Belugas> [16:52] <Eddi|zuHause> ccfreak2k: the problem is to get to know the difference <--- indeed. There is about not way to really know for sure. 01:19:26 <Belugas> that is why 01:19:28 <Gekz> about not way? 01:19:33 *** KritiK [~Maxim@93-80-82-122.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:20:05 <Belugas> ho... look at me! I'm a clown!! 01:28:41 <Phantasm> ;P 01:54:51 *** Logix [logix@76-233-19-71.lightspeed.snantx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #openttd 02:08:20 *** fjb [~frank@p5485DEC1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:10:43 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: Night All./Quit Night All.] 02:14:19 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@p5499ED4F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: dR3x4cK] 02:18:51 <ccfreak2k> "Can't clear this area..... Object in the way" 02:18:56 <ccfreak2k> Well yes... 02:38:11 *** einKarl [~einKarl@91-65-234-54-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:59:42 *** grumbel [~grumbel@i577AD4AE.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Client exiting] 03:00:44 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i59F566C3.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 03:03:00 *** elmex_ [~elmex@e180065096.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 03:07:32 *** elmex [~elmex@e180066130.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:07:47 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F57C9D.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:07:57 *** elmex_ is now known as elmex 03:15:31 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.231.53] has joined #openttd 03:16:29 *** Logix [logix@76-233-19-71.lightspeed.snantx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:28:04 *** shodan [user@ppp101-219.static.internode.on.net] has joined #openttd 03:31:43 <ccfreak2k> Is there a patch/patch setting for allowing same industries next to each other? 03:32:35 <Phantasm> Yes. 03:32:56 <Phantasm> Somewhere there is allow multiple industries of same type in town. 03:33:12 <ccfreak2k> I switched that on already. :| 03:33:39 <Phantasm> Anything else? ;P 03:34:33 <ccfreak2k> Well, it didn't work. 03:34:51 <Phantasm> It does work, but it doesn't mean you'll get 10 coal mines in each town. 03:35:00 <ccfreak2k> Well that's what I meant. 03:35:17 <Phantasm> It allows it, but the odds for getting multiple industries nearby are quite low. 03:35:36 <Phantasm> Make a scenario if you want that. 03:36:03 <ccfreak2k> Woohoo. 03:36:06 <ccfreak2k> Assertion failed. 03:37:07 *** curson [~curzon@p2224-ipbf215funabasi.chiba.ocn.ne.jp] has joined #openttd 03:37:20 <ccfreak2k> openttd.cpp:142, expression: 0 05:12:00 *** Fieldy [~Fieldy@CPE-124-177-26-101.vic.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 05:12:40 *** Fieldy is now known as Guest2372 05:12:40 *** Guest2372 [~Fieldy@CPE-124-177-26-101.vic.bigpond.net.au] has quit [] 05:15:56 *** FieldyZ [~FieldyZ@CPE-124-177-26-101.vic.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 05:16:30 <FieldyZ> What's on the roadmap for 0.7.0? 05:28:58 *** raimar3 [~hawk@p5489C1D7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 05:31:06 *** TiberiusTeng [~Tiberius@sbt.idv.tw] has joined #openttd 05:36:12 *** raimar2 [~hawk@p5489C191.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:40:13 <ccfreak2k> TiberiusTeng, are you around? 05:43:19 *** TiberiusTeng [~Tiberius@sbt.idv.tw] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 05:45:10 <ccfreak2k> Guess not. 05:51:39 *** TiberiusTeng [~Tiberius@sbt.idv.tw] has joined #openttd 06:05:32 *** FieldyZ [~FieldyZ@CPE-124-177-26-101.vic.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 06:14:46 *** einKarl [~einKarl@91-65-234-54-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 06:18:04 *** mikl [~mikl@0304ds2-ba.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 06:33:06 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 06:42:40 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl5402B32D.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 06:48:29 *** Osai`off is now known as Osai 07:06:58 *** einKarl [~einKarl@91-65-234-54-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:12:24 *** shodan [user@ppp101-219.static.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: Client Exiting] 07:30:01 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host126-174-dynamic.60-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 07:30:11 <Wolf01> hello 07:30:17 <Gekz> HALLO 07:44:40 <Ammler> ccfreak2k: do you change NewGRFs on a running game? 07:45:29 <Ammler> I had that assert as I loaded a save with ISA0.5 and only have 0.6 on my disk 07:55:47 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 07:59:02 *** SirBob [~chatzilla@c122-107-227-146.eburwd5.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 07:59:13 *** SirBob [~chatzilla@c122-107-227-146.eburwd5.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [] 07:59:42 <dih> that was s hort stay 08:06:19 *** Wold [~Wold@wold.tbc.bg] has joined #openttd 08:18:57 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 08:34:31 *** Touqen_ [~stephen@c-98-216-253-146.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 08:36:19 *** Touqen [~stephen@c-98-216-253-146.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:42:19 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-88-79.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Quit: a1270] 08:44:45 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-88-79.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 08:56:24 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@p5499ED4F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:01:03 *** jni [~geetee@cs181040004.pp.htv.fi] has joined #openttd 09:02:55 *** flowOver [~J@S01060016e65abad7.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 09:06:51 *** Farden [~jk3farden@ram94-7-82-232-189-236.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 09:10:32 *** Zahl [~Zahl@p549F3DDD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 09:13:58 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 09:17:32 *** Osai is now known as Osai`off 09:18:21 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-111-36.fttx.bbned.nl] has joined #openttd 09:27:45 *** mikl [~mikl@0304ds2-ba.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 09:43:48 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B744BC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:48:20 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B761D5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:48:49 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.231.53] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:48:50 *** Digitalfox [~Digitalfo@bl8-53-122.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:56:34 *** |404NotFound| [~osiris@122-49-157-233.ip.adam.com.au] has joined #openttd 10:09:59 *** Osai`off is now known as Osai 10:11:27 <Tefad> i forget my french, doesn't that mean bird 10:12:51 *** Doorslammer|BRSet [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-229-76.prem.tmns.net.au] has joined #openttd 10:13:21 *** SirBob [~chatzilla@c122-107-227-146.eburwd5.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 10:19:21 *** |404NotFound| is now known as HaloMaster 10:22:48 <Eddi|zuHause> what are you referring to? 10:26:42 <Doorslammer|BRSet> He is a Halo Master, as long as no one else finds the server :P 10:26:42 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-88-79.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:30:37 <flowOver> halo would be better with a mouse , and if you weren't charged to play. you know like every other fps on pc 10:31:16 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-88-79.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 10:37:10 *** mikl [~mikl@0304ds2-ba.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 10:37:21 *** Solin [~xvthh10@212.160.194.67] has joined #openttd 10:37:45 *** Solin [~xvthh10@212.160.194.67] has quit [] 10:47:47 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d000b26.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 10:49:51 *** SirBob [~chatzilla@c122-107-227-146.eburwd5.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:54:20 <Eddi|zuHause> "YaST got signal 11 at YCP file /usr/share/YaST2/clients/sw_single.ycp:187 --- /sbin/yast2: line 386: 12213 Segmentation fault $ybindir/y2base $module "$@" "$SELECTED_GUI" $Y2_GEOMETRY $Y2QT_ARGS" <- great, i didn't even do anything... (yet) 10:57:41 *** yorick [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 10:58:31 <HaloMaster> O.o 10:59:43 <Wolf01> news! Blizzard announced diablo 3 :O 11:08:20 *** mikk36_ [~mikk36@195-50-201-129-dsl.krw.estpak.ee] has joined #openttd 11:15:32 *** mikk36 [~mikk36@195-50-204-106-dsl.krw.estpak.ee] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:17:16 <yorick> http://jsc.sourceforge.net/examples/javascript/Tycoon4.htm :) 11:18:35 <yorick> yes, the gameplay fails in FF, and the graphics in IE6, but combined :) 11:26:16 *** Wold [~Wold@wold.tbc.bg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:26:55 *** Hendikins [~wolfoxout@vg102.vodafone.com.au] has joined #openttd 11:27:14 <Eddi|zuHause> it says "Loading ScriptCoreLib.dll.js 1/6" 11:28:43 <theEd> hmm 11:28:44 <theEd> cool 11:29:30 <yorick> Eddi: for how long? 11:30:38 <yorick> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCgCSMpRN40&NR=1 :) 11:30:46 <yorick> that's how it's supposed to look 11:31:50 <Eddi|zuHause> too long... 11:33:04 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't remember armies of monsters in TT 11:33:14 <yorick> those are from wolfenstein 11:33:23 <theEd> heh 11:33:33 <theEd> altho how fun would it be to have armies of monsters in TT 11:33:58 <theEd> stomp all over competitors! 11:41:34 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@user-54418bdb.lns1-c7.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 11:51:07 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B809C2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:52:38 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B84289.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 11:52:41 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 12:00:59 *** KritiK [~Maxim@93-80-39-173.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 12:06:21 *** flowOver [~J@S01060016e65abad7.gv.shawcable.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:07:01 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 12:10:02 *** divo [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 12:20:45 *** einKarl [~einKarl@91-65-234-54-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 12:23:21 *** Doorslammer|online [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-144-134-197-65.prem.tmns.net.au] has joined #openttd 12:26:27 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a41648.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 12:26:29 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 12:28:40 *** Volley [~worf@84.119.42.30] has joined #openttd 12:29:12 *** Doorslammer|BRSet [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-229-76.prem.tmns.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:33:30 <yorick> hello bjarni 12:34:07 <Sacro> Any OpenTTD area mods around 12:34:11 <Sacro> ah a Bjarni 12:34:18 <yorick> Sacro, how do you mean? 12:35:24 <Bjarni> hello yorick 12:35:39 <Bjarni> yorick you (censored) 12:35:47 <yorick> ? 12:35:54 <Bjarni> you left when I wanted to tell you something 12:35:59 <yorick> oh 12:36:02 <yorick> tell me 12:36:13 <Bjarni> making it rather hard for me to tell you to come back and listen 12:36:24 <Bjarni> I finished reading the saga about Bjarni 12:36:24 <yorick> how could I know? 12:36:39 <yorick> oh 12:36:41 <Bjarni> well you would know if you had waited for me to write this to you 12:36:56 <yorick> I could not know that I had to wait 12:36:56 <Sacro> the saga about Bjarni? 12:36:58 <Sacro> link meh! 12:37:00 <yorick> yes 12:37:08 <yorick> the discoverer of americaz 12:37:37 <yorick> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bjarni_Herj%C3%B3lfsson 12:38:05 <Bjarni> basically he spent every 2nd winter with his dad in Iceland 12:38:18 <Bjarni> so he travelled a lot 12:38:35 <yorick> why did you even have that saga? 12:38:38 <Sacro> wasn't he the inventor of lego 12:38:43 <Sacro> or C++ 12:38:47 <Sacro> or something 12:38:55 <Bjarni> one time he arrived at Iceland only to discover that his dad had moved to Greenland so he sat sails for Greenland and got lost due to a storm and fog 12:39:16 <yorick> stupid storm 12:39:29 <Bjarni> when he found land he knew that he had to move on if he should reach Greenland before the winter kicked in 12:39:42 <yorick> stupid bjarni 12:39:55 <Bjarni> he managed to find his dad in time before the winter 12:40:03 <SmatZ> bjarni is clever! 12:40:11 <Bjarni> yeah 12:40:38 <Bjarni> imagine what could have happened if he lad landed on unknown land and the winter kicked in and he became unable to leave it until spring 12:40:55 <Bjarni> he had no way of telling if the land would turn into a glacier during the winter 12:41:05 *** [Nemesis] [~Ping@217-211-211-179-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 12:41:08 <Bjarni> making it rather hard to survive without storage and housing 12:41:43 <yorick> Bjarni: what's your definition of glacier 12:41:51 <Bjarni> <yorick> why did you even have that saga? <-- it's in my collection of all the Icelandic sagas 12:42:00 <yorick> the whole point about glaciers is that they're there ALL of the year 12:42:04 *** Doorslammer|online is now known as Doorslammer|BRSet 12:42:18 <yorick> why do you collect all of the icelandic sagas? 12:42:42 <Bjarni> isn't it obvious? 12:43:04 <yorick> no 12:43:39 <dih> orudge: you around? 12:43:41 <Bjarni> damn ignorant Englishman 12:43:49 *** shodan [user@ppp101-219.static.internode.on.net] has joined #openttd 12:44:09 <Bjarni> surely it's to read them 12:44:32 <yorick> dih: [13:42] <orudge> quite 12:44:41 <Bjarni> @seen orudge 12:44:41 <DorpsGek> Bjarni: orudge was last seen in #openttd 1 week, 5 days, 21 hours, 11 minutes, and 15 seconds ago: <orudge> let's see if those bots are gone now 12:44:57 <dih> yorick: quiet != quit 12:45:07 <dih> and quite != quit 12:45:12 <yorick> quite != quiet != quit 12:45:23 <dih> and he's in the client list 12:45:31 <yorick> he always is 12:45:31 <dih> so he might aswell be around somewhere 12:45:33 <Bjarni> he isn't? 12:45:40 <Bjarni> he is in my clientlist 12:45:42 *** Zeal [~Ping@217-211-211-179-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:45:55 <yorick> dih: I just noticed that last chat message from him was over an hour ago 12:45:56 <dih> Bjarni, learn to read :-P 12:46:22 <yorick> I can't help that his last chat message container "quite" 12:46:32 <Bjarni> butt Engrish is hart reeding 12:46:41 <yorick> bjarni, learn not to read 12:46:44 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i59F566C3.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 12:46:50 <yorick> you might not read that wrong 12:47:46 <Bjarni> China just started some sign upgrading program so they will improve the signs before the Olympics 12:47:57 <yorick> ih 12:47:59 <yorick> oh 12:48:10 <Bjarni> somehow they don't want signs like "deform man toilet" and "if you are stolen, call the police at once" 12:48:39 <yorick> somehow they want grown-up translators 12:48:45 <Bjarni> stupid China 12:48:52 <yorick> stupid Norway 12:48:57 <Bjarni> if it isn't for the funny signs then why should we go to China? 12:49:08 <yorick> for the funny language 12:49:15 <yorick> stupid Danish 12:50:29 *** TiberiusTeng [~Tiberius@sbt.idv.tw] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:50:50 *** TiberiusTeng [~Tiberius@sbt.idv.tw] has joined #openttd 12:51:28 <TiberiusTeng> the topic says 'English Only', I hope it's not in a nationality sense (?) 12:51:43 <yorick> no 12:51:47 <yorick> only a language sense 12:51:57 <Bjarni> it was added when somebody decided on speaking French in here 12:52:26 <yorick> oh, some french refuse to read english 12:52:37 <Bjarni> it's not like we hate French people but it would improve communication somewhat if people would write in a language we can read :) 12:52:38 <Eddi|zuHause> "someone" 12:52:39 <yorick> and the idiots? 12:53:00 <SmatZ> or Japanese people... 12:53:03 <Eddi|zuHause> and i think he was quoting dutch startrek subtitles or so 12:53:14 <Bjarni> yorick: they are kicked for keep writing in l33t or whatever they call it 12:53:14 <yorick> :) 12:53:14 <Eddi|zuHause> <- the original idiot :p 12:53:20 <SmatZ> :P 12:53:37 <Bjarni> but Eddi|zuHause is our official village idiot 12:53:42 <Prof_Frink> Bjarni: You mean "it's not *because* we hate French people" 12:53:45 <Bjarni> we simply wouldn't do without him 12:53:48 <yorick> oh, the h4x0r-peopolz-thingies? 12:53:51 <Prof_Frink> It's a complete coincidence 12:54:09 <Eddi|zuHause> "the nick DorpsGek is already used" 12:54:13 <yorick> Bjarni: I'm sorry, we have DorpsGek in this function 12:54:52 <yorick> I think he's the StadsGek 12:55:05 <Bjarni> :) 12:55:18 <Eddi|zuHause> a city requires > 5000 inhabitants 12:55:36 <Eddi|zuHause> there are only ~100 people here 12:55:40 <yorick> no it doesn't 12:55:50 <yorick> I live in a dorp of 80,000 inhabitants 12:55:53 <TiberiusTeng> :p 12:56:04 <Bjarni> I read that the difference between a town and a city is that a city has at least a million inhabitants 12:56:06 <Eddi|zuHause> you got the implication backwards 12:56:18 <yorick> yes 12:56:32 <yorick> I'm the HuisGek :) 12:56:38 <Eddi|zuHause> Bjarni: count that under "foreign language mistranslation" 12:56:41 <Bjarni> <Eddi|zuHause> there are only ~100 people here <-- perfect... you really are a village inhabitant 12:56:43 <Prof_Frink> No, the diffenence between a town and a city is a bit of paper 12:57:05 <Bjarni> a city is a bit bigger? 12:57:13 <yorick> lets not get the town vs city discussion onto this town 12:57:16 <Bjarni> which makes a town how many bits? 12:57:28 <Bjarni> and will using a town as a city cause an overflow? 12:57:35 <yorick> I think a city has bit 1 set 12:58:53 <Bjarni> http://www.panoramio.com/photo/3083965 <--- would you buy hardware in a store like this? :D 12:59:19 <yorick> I think I'd buy apples in there 12:59:29 <yorick> with a 0-button mouse inside 12:59:50 <Bjarni> what I like about this picture is that it's from Akihabara XD 13:00:04 <Bjarni> unofficial computer store capital of the world 13:00:16 *** Wolf01 is now known as Wolf01|AWAY 13:00:27 <Bjarni> everything there is supposed to be really high tech 13:00:34 <Bjarni> and then there is a place like this 13:00:51 <yorick> I think those trees are plastic 13:02:07 <Bjarni> I'm not so sure 13:03:12 <TiberiusTeng> oh yes 13:03:13 *** theEd [~ed@117.206.55.210.dynamic.snap.net.nz] has quit [] 13:03:19 <TiberiusTeng> just installed the new gDEBugger 4.2 13:03:20 *** mikl [~mikl@0304ds2-ba.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Quit: mikl] 13:03:38 <yorick> and, did you see any functions inside those trees? 13:03:39 <TiberiusTeng> and I automagically got another 30 days of trial period! 13:03:47 <yorick> automagically? 13:04:20 <TiberiusTeng> automatically plus magically 13:04:58 <yorick> I'm on day 973 of my 30-day trail period on PSP 13:05:14 <yorick> paint shop pro 13:08:06 <TiberiusTeng> just pray it will debug openttd.exe after the trial period 13:08:12 <TiberiusTeng> or I will in trouble 13:08:26 <TiberiusTeng> or forced to reinstall my computer from scratch ... 13:11:45 *** Osai is now known as Osai`off 13:15:23 *** Gekz_ [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 13:15:28 *** Gekz_ [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [] 13:17:43 *** Gekz_ [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 13:19:52 *** GT [~GT@adsl-dc-4664d.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 13:19:52 *** Gekz 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time I join the channel 13:49:42 <Bjarni> and not "oh I said hello 2 years ago so I already said it" 13:49:48 <yorick> ... 13:49:59 <Mchl> foreach(get_people(#openttd) as $person) greet($person); 13:50:13 <yorick> @echo $nick 13:50:16 <yorick> @help echo 13:50:17 <DorpsGek> yorick: Error: There is no command "echo". 13:50:21 <yorick> :( 13:50:32 <Bjarni> @seen nick 13:50:33 <DorpsGek> Bjarni: nick was last seen in #openttd 2 weeks, 6 days, 15 hours, 20 minutes, and 6 seconds ago: <nick> racing pigeon 13:50:39 <Bjarni> o_O 13:50:39 <yorick> sometimes they get that $randomNick think 13:50:47 *** nfc [nfc@dsl-hkibrasgw2-fe4dde00-190.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 13:50:52 <yorick> @seen $randomNick 13:50:52 <DorpsGek> yorick: I have not seen $randomNick. 13:51:09 <Gekz> @seen jew penis 13:51:10 <DorpsGek> Gekz: seen [<channel>] <nick> 13:51:15 <Gekz> -_- 13:51:15 <yorick> anyone wants to do @seen * 13:51:20 <yorick> and then do @more 13:51:23 <Gekz> @seen * 13:51:24 <DorpsGek> Gekz: * could be <last> (2 seconds ago), yorick (2 seconds ago), Gekz (8 seconds ago), Bjarni (43 seconds ago), Mchl (1 minute and 24 seconds ago), SmatZ (4 minutes and 57 seconds ago), TiberiusTeng (42 minutes and 56 seconds ago), Prof_Frink (54 minutes and 39 seconds ago), Eddi|zuHause (54 minutes and 44 seconds ago), dih (1 hour, 5 minutes, and 27 seconds ago), Sacro (1 hour, 12 minutes, and 35 seconds ago), theEd (50 more messages) 13:51:28 <yorick> @more Gekz 13:51:28 <DorpsGek> yorick: (2 hours, 17 minutes, and 25 seconds ago), Wolf01 (2 hours, 51 minutes, and 39 seconds ago), HaloMaster (2 hours, 52 minutes, and 52 seconds ago), flowOver (3 hours, 20 minutes, and 45 seconds ago), Doorslammer|BRSet (3 hours, 24 minutes, and 41 seconds ago), Tefad (3 hours, 39 minutes, and 56 seconds ago), Ammler (6 hours, 5 minutes, and 53 seconds ago), ccfreak2k (8 hours, 6 minutes, and 12 seconds ago), (49 more messages) 13:51:30 <Gekz> oh fuck 13:51:36 <yorick> do that like 49 times 13:51:36 <dih> yeah - very clever 13:51:37 <Gekz> who failed that one 13:51:44 <dih> how do i highlight all people in here 13:51:44 <Gekz> the bot shouldnt allow that 13:51:57 <yorick> Gekz: try @more 13:51:58 <dih> the user should think before doing something :-P 13:52:03 <Gekz> yorick: no u 13:52:03 <dih> yorick: shush 13:52:05 <dih> :-P 13:52:33 <yorick> it'll clear its more after Gekz has left 13:52:53 <dih> you dont have to 13:52:55 <dih> :-P 13:53:14 <yorick> I didn't expect him to do that 13:53:52 <yorick> :-) 13:56:16 <yorick> @more 13:56:16 <DorpsGek> yorick: FieldyZ (8 hours, 34 minutes, and 52 seconds ago), Phantasm (10 hours, 15 minutes, and 46 seconds ago), Belugas (12 hours, 31 minutes, and 17 seconds ago), Touqen (15 hours, 35 minutes, and 13 seconds ago), CIA-4 (16 hours, 51 minutes, and 34 seconds ago), glx (17 hours, 11 minutes, and 5 seconds ago), eekee (17 hours, 12 minutes, and 13 seconds ago), fjb (18 hours, 21 minutes, and 59 seconds ago), ben_goodger (48 more messages) 13:56:52 *** yorick [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has left #openttd [/me hides (it shouldn't get that into ME)] 13:57:10 <Prof_Frink> @less 13:57:45 <Gekz> @jews 13:57:51 *** yorick [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 13:57:57 <yorick> @help more 13:57:57 <DorpsGek> yorick: (more [<nick>]) -- If the last command was truncated due to IRC message length limitations, returns the next chunk of the result of the last command. If <nick> is given, it takes the continuation of the last command from <nick> instead of the person sending this message. 13:58:34 <yorick> hmm...I think it doesn't consider that it's Gekz' more and because I did that, now shifted t into me 13:58:59 <Prof_Frink> @more yorick 13:59:00 <DorpsGek> Prof_Frink: Error: Sorry, I can't find any mores for yorick 13:59:24 <yorick> ok, try gekz 13:59:26 <Eddi|zuHause> it only counts the _last_ command 13:59:32 <Eddi|zuHause> andt that was @help 13:59:50 <yorick> try again 14:00:58 <yorick> I'm clearing it out in private currently 14:01:44 *** toresbe [~toresbe@89.10.27.56] has joined #openttd 14:01:47 <toresbe> hello! 14:02:02 <yorick> hello 14:02:13 <toresbe> Is "De zeurkous" here? 14:02:19 <yorick> who's that 14:02:23 <Eddi|zuHause> ¡hola! 14:02:50 <toresbe> Someone who made a post to the mailing list in... 2004 14:02:51 <toresbe> :P 14:02:58 <yorick> no, he isn't 14:03:04 <toresbe> I'm trying to track him down, y'see... 14:03:06 <Eddi|zuHause> there is a mailing list? 14:03:14 <yorick> were you looking for De Dorpsgek? 14:03:25 <toresbe> nope, I don't think so 14:03:51 <yorick> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:De_zeurkous 14:04:19 <toresbe> yep 14:04:52 <yorick> mariblaat.nichten.info 14:06:03 <yorick> http://www.xs4all.nl/~maribu/zeurkous/ 14:06:46 <yorick> why are you trying to track a homosexual? 14:08:54 <toresbe> His sexual orientation isn't particularily relevant to me, I don't intend to have sex with him. 14:09:15 <yorick> then what? 14:09:53 <toresbe> Is that so hard to believe? 14:10:01 <toresbe> What if I *did* wanted to have sex with him? 14:10:22 <yorick> I'd ignore your question 14:10:28 <Dred_furst> what are you trying to do? 14:11:08 <toresbe> Which question? :P 14:11:34 <yorick> for what are you trying to track him down? 14:11:36 <yorick> what reason? 14:11:45 <toresbe> yorick: Wild gay sex. 14:11:58 <yorick> try a normal answer 14:12:05 <toresbe> yorick: Calm gay sex? 14:12:18 <yorick> try a serious answer 14:12:27 <Eddi|zuHause> oh what i would give to have op sometimes 14:12:30 <toresbe> haha 14:13:24 <toresbe> Dred_furst: A while ago, he uploaded some tracker files. The files are down now, and it seems he is the only one with a copy. I'm trying to get a hold of him so I can get the files. 14:13:34 <Dred_furst> tracker files? 14:13:39 <toresbe> music 14:13:43 <yorick> porn?] 14:13:43 <Dred_furst> Ah 14:13:44 <toresbe> .MOD files, chiptunes 14:13:49 <toresbe> yorick: yeah, gay porn, clearly 14:14:11 *** KritiK_ [~Maxim@93-80-83-106.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 14:14:34 <Dred_furst> I dont see why him being gay has anything to do with it yorick 14:14:42 <yorick> zeurkous@nichten.info is his email 14:15:02 <yorick> he lives in Overrijsel, Winde 8 14:15:10 <yorick> hmm, Kampen, I mean 14:15:40 *** KritiK [~Maxim@93-80-39-173.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:15:52 *** KritiK_ is now known as KritiK 14:16:01 <toresbe> Dred_furst: yeah, that's what I was thinking. I mean, WTF? :P 14:16:11 <Dred_furst> lol 14:16:14 <yorick> http://www.xs4all.nl/~maribu/zeurkous/ :) I don't know many people who have their info more detailed 14:16:35 <toresbe> A quick google could show you a *lot* of people with more detailed info. 14:16:53 <yorick> what would you expect, pictures? 14:16:58 <Dred_furst> Sexual Preference: Bytesexual (Big-Endian) is pretty lol 14:17:08 *** Doorslammer|BRSet is now known as Doorslammer|OTTD 14:31:58 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@p549F40BF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 14:34:57 *** TiberiusTeng [~Tiberius@sbt.idv.tw] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 14:37:12 *** Zahl [~Zahl@p549F3DDD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:37:12 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 14:42:36 *** einKarl [~einKarl@91-65-234-54-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:44:11 *** shodan [user@ppp101-219.static.internode.on.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:50:49 *** mikl [~mikl@0304ds2-ba.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 14:51:33 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@p5499ED4F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:52:30 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 14:54:21 *** fjb [~frank@p5485C1D7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:54:26 <fjb> Hello 14:54:38 <Bjarni> Hello 14:55:58 <yorick> still trying something to extend that chat limit, possibly an optional length argument to the QueryStringBaseWindow constructor? 14:57:33 *** TiberiusTeng [~Tiberius@sbt.idv.tw] has joined #openttd 15:02:15 <TiberiusTeng> is there anyone who's familiar with windowing system ? 15:02:25 <yorick> glx 15:03:06 <Bjarni> that depends on what you mean with familiar 15:03:27 <Bjarni> and what part of the window system 15:03:34 <TiberiusTeng> OnResize() is called with illegal sizes (smaller than WindowDesc.minimum_width/height) 15:03:47 <TiberiusTeng> but the outline of entire windows DO respect the limit ... it's strange 15:03:53 <Bjarni> hmm 15:04:02 <Bjarni> in trunk? 15:04:05 <TiberiusTeng> of course I can cap it in OnResize(), then everything works fine 15:04:11 <TiberiusTeng> I'm still tracing the code 15:04:25 <Bjarni> I never had any problems with that 15:04:28 <TiberiusTeng> r13645 I believe 15:04:45 <TiberiusTeng> you need to do some agressive resizing 15:04:56 <TiberiusTeng> almost like throwing your mouse across the desktop 15:05:06 <Bjarni> heh 15:05:12 <TiberiusTeng> anyway I'm debugging, perhaps I did something wrong 15:05:25 <TiberiusTeng> if you resize slowly, it will correctly cap at the limit 15:07:32 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 15:14:46 *** KritiK [~Maxim@93-80-83-106.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:16:14 *** KritiK_ [~Maxim@93-80-41-173.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 15:16:16 *** KritiK_ is now known as KritiK 15:24:05 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B582.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:26:36 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a41648.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:27:32 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@p5499E443.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:44:48 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: frosch * r13649 /trunk/src/ (12 files in 3 dirs): -Codechange: Split the GfxFillRect() special flags from 'color' into their own parameter. 15:47:25 *** grumbel [~grumbel@i577AF58D.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 15:49:05 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl5402B32D.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:51:43 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl5402B32D.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 15:53:38 *** curson [~curzon@p2224-ipbf215funabasi.chiba.ocn.ne.jp] has quit [Quit: If everything seems to be going well, you have obviously overlooked something.] 16:00:32 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host86-146-18-220.range86-146.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:01:25 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host86-146-18-220.range86-146.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 16:05:18 <TiberiusTeng> all right, I think it's a bug in VS2008 regarding to signed/unsigned comparison ... 16:05:29 <TiberiusTeng> and/or casting 16:09:15 <yorick> try in mingw 16:09:33 <yorick> and don't compare different types 16:10:02 *** Doorslammer|OTTD is now known as Doorslammer|BRSet 16:10:45 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@p5499E443.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: dR3x4cK] 16:13:55 <fjb> Hm, where did the hotkey for the console go? 16:16:11 <yorick> `` 16:16:17 <yorick> ~ 16:16:24 <yorick> it didn't move 16:16:59 <yorick> http://paste.openttd.org/23629 <-- could any dev look at this> 16:17:01 <yorick> ? 16:18:50 <fjb> Hm, none of that works. It usually was the keys above the TAB-key. But that doen't work anymore. 16:19:11 <yorick> try changing your keyboard layout back 16:19:24 <yorick> or try your key twice 16:19:27 <fjb> hat didn't change. 16:19:41 <fjb> Doesn't help. 16:20:05 <yorick> then I don't know 16:20:12 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm254.epsilon122.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 16:20:25 <fjb> Oh, "Alt Gr" + that key works. 16:42:02 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host86-146-18-220.range86-146.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:42:34 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host86-146-18-220.range86-146.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 16:42:39 *** Osai is now known as Osai`off 16:49:42 *** Doorslammer|BRSet [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-144-134-197-65.prem.tmns.net.au] has quit [] 16:53:10 <TiberiusTeng> funny, three clicks will be regarded as two double clicks 16:53:47 <TiberiusTeng> in window.cpp the line double_click_time = _realtime_tick; 16:53:48 <yorick> I noticed that 16:55:09 <TiberiusTeng> really should change that line into else {} block 16:55:14 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm254.epsilon122.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:56:42 <TiberiusTeng> hmm ... should be more, like 0 or so 17:00:15 <Eddi|zuHause> that's the most obvious when you want to buy many vehicles, you have to doubleclick for the first vehicle, and then every consecutive click buys another vehicle 17:00:28 <Eddi|zuHause> that _might_ classify as a feature ;) 17:01:18 <yorick> I'd use vehicle clone for that 17:01:32 <Eddi|zuHause> for buying 20 coal wagons? 17:02:54 <yorick> eeh...no 17:03:07 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@85.19.218.28] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:03:08 <yorick> afk 17:08:08 *** Volley [~worf@84.119.42.30] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:11:41 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@85.19.218.28] has joined #openttd 17:27:24 *** Wolf01|AWAY is now known as Wolf01 17:30:51 <TiberiusTeng> now I wonder how many GRFs can I load with Nintendo DS ... :p 17:36:34 <eekee> :) 17:44:04 <SmatZ> Eddi|zuHause: it is part of user interface, I don't think it will ever change :) 17:45:45 <yorick> SmatZ: have you looked at the editbox limit patch? 17:46:24 <yorick> :-) 17:46:37 <SmatZ> yorick: yes, but I haven't tested it or so :) 17:46:59 <yorick> I'd love to see it in trunk sometime before wwottdgd 17:46:59 <SmatZ> why don't you simply increase max length in normal editbox? 17:47:10 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.231.53] has joined #openttd 17:47:12 <yorick> because the other devs don't want that 17:47:18 <SmatZ> mmm 17:50:47 <dih> ? 17:51:32 *** KingJ [~kj@host81-149-184-29.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has joined #openttd 17:52:37 <yorick> dih: other devs don't like increasing the max size of every edit box to 1024 17:52:52 <dih> i dont blame them 17:53:00 <yorick> and the current limit for all editboxes is now 64 17:53:05 <yorick> including the chat on 17:53:07 <yorick> e 17:53:11 <dih> then split it up 17:53:29 <dih> find edit boxes that need more than 64 and leave the rest at 64 17:54:13 <yorick> the limit got global ;) 17:54:35 <dih> you see at least one reason to have 2 separate lengths 17:55:28 <yorick> I think it has something to do with the osk 17:55:49 <eekee> dude, why are you using an OO language if you can't subclass? 17:56:41 <yorick> eekee, reading is hard, eh? http://paste.openttd.org/23629 17:56:58 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@85.19.218.28] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:57:37 <eekee> yorick: I'm not talking about a simple patch that half the devs won't accept 17:57:48 <dih> :-D 17:57:55 <yorick> ... 17:57:57 <dih> eekee 1:0 yorick 17:58:13 <yorick> it actually patches using a subclass 17:59:22 * eekee looks again 17:59:40 <yorick> eekee 1:1 yorick 18:00:07 <KingJ> How can you stop LS from showing the physical drives and only show folders in the current working dir? 18:00:41 <eekee> yorick: Oh I see! Sorry 18:00:44 <yorick> try ls -help 18:01:27 <KingJ> Ignores the -help and just displays a normal LS 18:01:36 <Sacro> KingJ: what is LS? 18:01:58 <KingJ> Should list the current working directory 18:02:10 <valhallasw> NAME 18:02:10 <valhallasw> ls - list directory contents 18:02:12 <valhallasw> ;) 18:02:12 <Eddi|zuHause> yorick: then make it general enough so each edit box can have its individual length (with the default being 64) 18:02:16 <KingJ> Doing this via RCON 18:02:26 <yorick> Eddi: the osk doesn't like that 18:03:05 <Eddi|zuHause> then rewrite the osk ;) 18:03:10 <Sacro> KingJ: you want ls 18:03:13 <KingJ> But then CD dosen't work via RCON so that's ok 18:03:46 <KingJ> Reason i'm asking is because while i've played openttd for a while (still got my original dos CD!) i'm finally getting round to intergrating it into my game server company 18:04:13 <KingJ> And if users could CD into physical drives and not just the current working dir that would be a problem 18:04:58 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@85.19.218.28] has joined #openttd 18:05:13 <yorick> oh, you mean patching openttd 18:05:29 <dih> KingJ: please tell me you dont run games in the company _not_ loked into a chroot! 18:05:48 <KingJ> dih: windows :) 18:06:06 <yorick> KingJ: please tell me you're stepping off windows 18:06:12 <yorick> into Linux 18:06:21 <KingJ> yorick: slowly but surely 18:06:29 <yorick> openttd is a linux application 18:06:36 <dih> ? 18:06:38 <Eddi|zuHause> "Reboot your system to activate the new kernel -- [OK]" <- on windows, that would have actually rebooted immediately after pressing "OK" ;) 18:06:47 *** TiberiusTeng [~Tiberius@sbt.idv.tw] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:06:52 <KingJ> Started off with windows, but adding linux servers now, there are some things it's better at 18:07:04 <yorick> like running openttd 18:07:10 <KingJ> Yes 18:07:34 <KingJ> Whats the best way to stress test the server? I price based on resource usage and want to see how much resources I can use at most 18:07:56 <KingJ> At the moment with just a few simple vehicles on it registers no CPU at all 18:07:56 <yorick> openttd can sometimes use the full 100% 18:07:58 <Eddi|zuHause> generate a big map with ECS ;) 18:08:03 <yorick> yeah 18:08:17 <dih> and ships on yapf 18:08:18 <dih> :-P 18:08:23 <yorick> dih: :) 18:08:27 <Eddi|zuHause> that occupies my system for several hours 18:08:31 <yorick> woa 18:08:34 <eekee> ECS yeah 18:08:36 <yorick> mine only one 18:08:41 <valhallasw> KingJ: try one of the massive openttdcoop games 18:08:48 <KingJ> With all it's newgrfs 18:08:55 <yorick> eekee, please look into patches before saying it's done wrong next time :) 18:09:01 <valhallasw> even without newgrfs 18:09:15 <eekee> yorick: sorry ^^;;; 18:09:15 <yorick> btw, some users might want to run custom openttd versions 18:09:21 <yorick> mp 18:09:23 <yorick> np* 18:09:26 <KingJ> I'll have to grab a nightly, or have they started using standard releases? 18:09:37 <yorick> nightlies 18:09:46 <valhallasw> http://www.openttdcoop.org/wiki/MemberZone:Archive#gameid_04 18:09:55 <valhallasw> but you don't need anything recent for that save game 18:10:18 <Ammler> valhallasw: that isn't really stress anymore :-) 18:10:20 <dih> eekee: dont pay attention to him :-P 18:10:25 <KingJ> I'll give it a go 18:10:31 <KingJ> Just want to get a general idea 18:10:35 <valhallasw> Ammler: 1000 trains? 18:10:36 <yorick> eekeeL don't pay attention to him :P 18:11:12 <yorick> s/L/* 18:11:21 <eekee> lol 18:12:23 <Ammler> valhallasw: we have saves, which uses almost double of pile transport now. :-) 18:12:28 <yorick> I don't believe you :) 18:12:50 <Ammler> maybe the current ps, 18:12:53 <valhallasw> Ammler: zomg. 18:13:13 <Ammler> :-D 18:13:16 <KingJ> Loaded, lets see how this goes 18:13:17 <valhallasw> but that's with NPF on 18:13:26 <yorick> shh 18:13:36 <yorick> you'll ruin his theories! 18:13:37 *** TiberiusTeng [~Tiberius@sbt.idv.tw] has joined #openttd 18:13:54 <KingJ> Hehe 18:13:56 <valhallasw> or... I forget what was what :P 18:14:07 <KingJ> 21.4mb or RAM, sometime hitting 1.54% CPU 18:14:29 <valhallasw> now I want to know what kind of server you've got :P 18:14:30 <KingJ> (server side) 18:14:45 <KingJ> Q6700 (Quad 2.66) 4GB RAM 18:14:50 <yorick> IBM BlueGene/L? 18:15:06 <yorick> woah 18:15:18 <valhallasw> is the screen rendered for the server anymore? 18:15:30 <yorick> if you set the resolution to 0... 18:15:32 <valhallasw> it probably has been fixed already :) 18:15:49 <KingJ> back soon 18:15:52 <valhallasw> it should set res to 0 on server startup by itself of course ;) 18:16:09 <yorick> it shouldn't even check for it 18:16:30 <valhallasw> it shouldn't spawn a display window, correct 18:16:46 <valhallasw> but I suppose the drawing is built into the game code a lot 18:17:17 <yorick> yes, but I think the actual drawing has a if _dedicated return thing 18:17:31 * dih slpas yorick 18:17:33 <dih> ... 18:17:33 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe game is paused? :p 18:17:36 <dih> just felt like it 18:17:52 <valhallasw> Eddi|zuHause: that would help a lot for pile transport, yes 18:17:54 <Ammler> valhallasw: some likes to make screen shots 18:18:02 <Ammler> like Brianetta on his server. 18:18:04 * yorick slaps yorick with a werkloze valhallasw 18:18:12 <yorick> Ammler, some 18:18:19 <Brianetta> My server can't make screenshots any more 18:18:19 <yorick> but it doesn't work in 0.6 anymore 18:18:52 <Ammler> KingJ: you could also run some clients 18:18:54 <Sacro> Brianetta: you have a server? 18:19:00 * yorick slaps dih with a werkloze valhallasw 18:19:04 <yorick> betterer :-) 18:19:06 * valhallasw slaps Sacro with a werkloze yorick 18:19:17 <Brianetta> Sacro: Yes. It's not running. 18:19:21 <Brianetta> Same as ever. 18:19:23 <Ammler> and let players use your server as client for too havy games. 18:19:28 <Ammler> x-forwarding. 18:19:46 <yorick> KingJ: some players might want to run custom versions of openttd 18:19:53 <yorick> you can't patch them all 18:19:54 <yorick> :( 18:20:07 <Brianetta> I wonder if OpenTTD runs cleanly as a Citrix Metaframe published application. 18:20:07 <yorick> you'd have to trust them not to ruin your servers 18:20:58 <TiberiusTeng> hmm, let's see what happens if I kill the sprite sorter ... (haha 18:21:10 <Sacro> where does Draakon live? 18:21:15 <yorick> lets make the sprite sorter werkloos 18:21:42 <KingJ> back 18:22:24 <yorick> I think the only way to stop people from cding to other dirs is run it on linux 18:23:02 <KingJ> Yeah. That's the only issue i've got with it 18:23:09 <fjb> Hm, is there a way to extend a station over a road that you don't own? 18:23:31 <yorick> yes, remove the road 18:23:41 <yorick> or use the distant join stations patch 18:23:41 <fjb> I don't own it. 18:24:44 <eekee> can you build truck depots on road you don't own? 18:24:52 <fjb> No. 18:25:01 <Yexo> you can't build anything on road you don't own 18:25:03 <yorick> you can extend road you don't own 18:25:03 <eekee> oh that kind of road 18:25:20 <Yexo> except for drive-through roads stops on town-owned roads (depending on patch settings) 18:26:36 <fjb> Hm, I own a bridge near that station. Maybe I could blast taht bridge and walk a long way round that road. 18:29:38 <KingJ> I think the only way to stop people from using ls to look at the drives would be to run it as a user which is denied access to the drives, only to the folder where OpenTTD is 18:30:21 <KingJ> They can't really do any harm looking at the drive, but it's still something that needs to be locked down 18:31:02 <yorick> they could possibly load other people's saves 18:31:57 <KingJ> And thats about it, wish there was a chroot equivilant for windows or a way to stop openttd from listing root drives 18:32:08 *** smithj [~smithj@77-97-50-77.cable.ubr03.cast.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:32:17 <smithj> hey guys 18:36:35 <fjb> KingJ: Run VMware and some kind of Unix with OpenTTD. 18:36:35 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:37:24 <KingJ> The problem then is intergration, i've got to get another licence for my game control panel 18:37:37 <KingJ> Testing the user permissions method 18:39:10 <ccfreak2k> Program Files is read-only to limited users anyway. 18:40:03 <KingJ> Yeah, but i'm going to deny access except to the dir of the server 18:40:18 <KingJ> Using runas command to start under that user 18:40:50 <Sacro> sigh 18:40:59 * Sacro starts a flame war with draakon 18:41:04 <Sacro> oh btw i am bored 18:41:15 <smithj> hat abou using CPAU.exe? This allows you to encrypt the administrator password in a file 18:41:20 <smithj> what* 18:42:45 <KingJ> Like a better version of runas it seems 18:43:55 <KingJ> Basically, the game control panel starts a program, you set the dir, program name and any command line parameters. There are two sets, hidden (so only the server administrator can edit them) and user command line options (which the user can edit). That way, I can have passwords on the command line without them being seen by the user 18:45:47 *** UFO64 [~UFO64@cpe-24-31-128-172.maine.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 18:46:29 <Yexo> * Sacro starts a flame war with draakon <- Why are always the same users annoying? (and by this I mean draakon of course :p) 18:48:58 <TiberiusTeng> in the forum ? 18:49:06 <Yexo> yes 18:50:52 <TiberiusTeng> wow. 18:51:06 <eekee> Yexo: peronality disorders? 18:51:10 <eekee> *personality 18:51:43 <yorick> and by this I mean draakon of course <-- sure... 18:52:30 <TiberiusTeng> the tunnels topic ... 18:54:26 <TiberiusTeng> meh, if I really miss something, I would IMPLEMENT it :p 18:56:27 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 18:56:31 <Scaevolus> KingJ: openttd is only ~10MB, it wouldn't kill you to have multiple copies 18:56:55 <KingJ> No, I have seperate instances anyway 18:57:02 <KingJ> Never let users share the same dir 18:57:53 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B582.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:58:20 <TiberiusTeng> if you got Q6700, you should be able to run at most 4 servers without any slow-down :p 18:59:07 <KingJ> Loaded one of the openttdcoop games and used around 1% 19:00:40 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B582.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:01:00 <TiberiusTeng> YAPF was a big performance boost for openttdcoop games ... 19:02:57 *** jni [~geetee@cs181040004.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:08:11 <Eddi|zuHause> KingJ: you have to make sure the game is actually running (not paused) 19:08:28 <KingJ> It was running, trains moving etc 19:08:49 <KingJ> Clock ticking forward, events occouring 19:09:03 <Eddi|zuHause> and it can only use a single core 19:09:19 <KingJ> yeah, i've got affinity set 19:10:25 <yorick> but how about the copyright issues with thte 19:10:29 <yorick> the ttd grfs? 19:10:54 <yorick> wait-dedicated servers don't need those with some patch-thingy 19:11:06 <KingJ> They dont? Got a link to that? 19:11:21 <KingJ> I've got them on there atm since it complained without them 19:11:45 <yorick> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/410 19:11:57 <yorick> but it's rather old 19:12:28 <yorick> it wouldn't even apply 19:12:31 <yorick> the files don't exist 19:12:54 <KingJ> And would also require a patched server, so if someone wants to run a nightly that's going to be a problem 19:13:06 *** Dred_furst` [~Dred_furs@user-54418bdb.lns1-c7.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:13:06 *** Tiberius_ [~Tiberius@sbt.idv.tw] has joined #openttd 19:13:33 <yorick> if someone wants a nightly/own patch, they can have data files 19:16:58 <KingJ> I don't think this is going to work at all under windows 19:17:35 <KingJ> The only way to do it is going to be using VmWare or getting a sepeate server, both of which are less than ideal 19:17:41 <yorick> what is? 19:18:03 *** Netsplit osmotic.oftc.net <-> larich.oftc.net quits: Born_Acorn, Hendikins, Dred_furst, Ridayah_, TiberiusTeng 19:18:05 <KingJ> Multiuser, Secure OpenTTD hosting under windows 19:18:52 <fjb> Hmmmm, secure, hosting and Windows in one sentence... 19:18:59 <KingJ> lol 19:19:05 <KingJ> Secure to a reasonable degree :) 19:19:17 <KingJ> Being able to browse the root drive is a big problem 19:19:28 <fjb> With an reasonable amount of work? 19:19:54 <KingJ> I do have a linux server, but it's in the US, whereas my main, powerful windows one is in the UK 19:21:19 <fjb> Using Windows on a sever you can never be sure that it still is your server... 19:21:54 <KingJ> I'm guessing you're very anti-windows fjb? :P 19:22:21 *** Ridayah [~ridayah@12-208-15-67.client.mchsi.com] has joined #openttd 19:22:52 <fjb> No, just some experience in hosting. 19:23:58 <KingJ> Having used both, there are areas where Linux is better and some where windows is better. My only gripe with Linux and server hosting, is that while my Panel runs under linux, it requires mono which goes and uses a nice chunk of RAM 19:24:42 <fjb> Ofcourse you can make a Windows server secure. But few people know how to do it so that it is really secure. 19:25:20 <fjb> What special panel do you need to run OpenTTD? 19:25:26 <KingJ> Not for openttdf 19:25:31 <KingJ> But for users to control their server 19:25:40 <KingJ> Stop it/start it/web-based file browser etc 19:25:54 <KingJ> I suppose another license is only £6 so not a real issue 19:26:11 <fjb> Just make a virtual server and give them access to that server. 19:26:29 <smithj> i have searched on the forums and found one (dead) link, does anyone know if there is a track maintenence set? 19:27:06 <KingJ> Yeah, i'll go down the virtual server (on my server) route 19:27:36 <KingJ> All this just to use chroot heh 19:29:12 <fjb> Chroot could do. But there are lightweight virtual servers like jails, zones etc. 19:29:23 *** Born_Acorn [~bornacorn@81.171.98.107] has joined #openttd 19:29:32 <fjb> Kind of an extended chroot. 19:29:45 <KingJ> Virtual server on a virtual server, interesting 19:29:50 *** Hendikins [~wolfoxout@vg102.vodafone.com.au] has joined #openttd 19:29:55 *** Andel [~andel@owenrudge.net] has joined #openttd 19:30:27 <fjb> It all depends on the level of virtualization. 19:34:37 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B582.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:36:50 *** yorick [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: Poef!] 19:38:08 <KingJ> Thanks for all your help anyway. I'll let you know how it goes 19:42:36 <Eddi|zuHause> smithj: you mean like grass on rails? 19:43:44 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... downloading 1.5GB worth of packages... that's going to take a while ;) 19:44:20 <KingJ> Would you reccomend CentOs by the way? It's on my other Linux server just wondering if there is a better one anyone reccomends 19:45:11 <Eddi|zuHause> i have never seen centos 19:45:42 <Yexo> How is the station ration linked to the amount of cargo that appears in a station? 19:46:45 <Eddi|zuHause> Yexo: when a station has x% rating, the industry will produce x% of its total capacity 19:46:51 <fjb> It is a kind of Red Hat Eterprise Linux. 19:47:09 <Yexo> Eddi|zuHause: thx, I guessed it was something like that :) 19:47:35 <Prof_Frink> KingJ: Personally I'd use Debian, but I haven't tried anything non-.deb based 19:47:35 <smithj> Eddi|ZuHause: No, I mean those yellow trains that replace rails and pull broken down trains 19:47:44 <fjb> I don't see that much difference between the different kinds of Linux. Beside they share most of their troubles and each adds it's own. 19:48:11 <Eddi|zuHause> smithj: sorry, i have never seen such a grf 19:48:12 <ccfreak2k> CentOS is alright if you like RPM. 19:48:30 <ccfreak2k> OR if you want RedHat without the support contract. 19:49:56 <Tiberius_> emerge -uDNav world 19:50:04 *** Tiberius_ is now known as TiberiusTeng 19:50:07 <smithj> ah, that's a pity 19:50:36 <ccfreak2k> Poor Gentoo user. 19:50:40 <smithj> I am currently using the eye candy invisible train for creating HUGE train depots 19:50:42 <Eddi|zuHause> smithj: MB once announced that he wanted to add a catenary service unit, but i have not seen a set where he actually included it 19:50:42 *** mikl [~mikl@0304ds2-ba.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 19:51:24 <smithj> i see his site is down :( 19:51:27 <fjb> MB didn't release anything new the last months. 19:51:37 <ccfreak2k> TiberiusTeng, is the opengl portion of your opengl blitter portable? 19:52:13 <Eddi|zuHause> smithj: he said he wanted to get a new host 19:52:13 <smithj> it's a pity i am poor at graphics and coding, otherwise i would have created one 19:52:17 <fjb> He was moving to a new location, possibly a new job. So there were more important things in his live than TTD. 19:52:29 <smithj> sure, thats fair enough 19:52:50 <Eddi|zuHause> and he wanted separate hosts for work, privat and ttd stuff 19:53:26 <TiberiusTeng> ccfreak2k, I believe so 19:53:45 <ccfreak2k> Ok, so what changed in the existing openttd files to add the blitter? 19:53:55 <ccfreak2k> I'm gonna try my hand at porting it~ 19:53:56 <smithj> I saw a fourm post on some maintenence vehicles, but they havent released a GRF 19:54:04 <TiberiusTeng> you can just see the patch file :P 19:54:06 <fjb> He already got offered websapce for free for his TTD stuff. But I guess time is a scarce recource in his life. 19:54:36 <TiberiusTeng> I believe opengl.cpp/hpp is portable, if it isn't, then I'll try my best to make it portable 19:55:18 <TiberiusTeng> all it needs to run at other platforms is a driver to initialize OpenGL for it, and do usual driver works (handling input, etc.) 19:55:37 <ccfreak2k> What was changed to add the option to select the opengl blitteR? 19:55:50 <TiberiusTeng> so you probably need to add a new driver (say sdlgl) 19:55:59 <TiberiusTeng> and specify it with -v sdlgl -b opengl 19:56:04 <TiberiusTeng> http://siplab.ntype.tw/opengl18.diff 19:56:06 <ccfreak2k> Yeah. 19:56:08 <ccfreak2k> That's what I meant. 19:56:20 <TiberiusTeng> here's the draft patch made by peter1138, hope this helps ... 19:56:33 <TiberiusTeng> but don't modify sdl driver directly! make a copy ... 19:57:16 <TiberiusTeng> actually the OpenGL-initialization part that made by peter1138 is really short 19:57:25 <TiberiusTeng> but I think you'll need to modify it a bit 19:57:38 <TiberiusTeng> just diff win32_v.cpp and win32gl_v.cpp ... 19:57:58 *** mikl [~mikl@0304ds2-ba.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 19:58:30 <smithj> are we permitted to post links in here? 19:59:39 <Yexo> no to illegal material, but otherwise, yes, we are 19:59:48 <smithj> http://77.97.50.77/Strathclyde%20Transport%2C%209th%20Aug%201984.png 19:59:54 <ccfreak2k> TiberiusTeng, how do I MAKE a diff, anyway? 20:00:05 <smithj> it is a screenshot to my invisible trains :) 20:00:10 <TiberiusTeng> ccfreak2k, I think you can remove those gl* calls from patched sdl.cpp by peter1138 ... 20:00:19 <TiberiusTeng> diff -U5 win32_v.cpp win32gl_v.cpp 20:00:23 <Yexo> smithj: that site is very slow :p 20:00:26 <smithj> I'd like to use maintenence trains too, for creating such deopts 20:00:37 *** UFO64 [~UFO64@cpe-24-31-128-172.maine.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:00:58 *** mikl [~mikl@0304ds2-ba.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:01:08 <smithj> i have limited bandwith there 20:01:09 <ccfreak2k> There. 20:01:21 <ccfreak2k> It's a lot easier to view the differences in Kompare. 20:03:07 *** mikl [~mikl@0304ds2-ba.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 20:03:08 <TiberiusTeng> ahh, you got GUI tools, that would be much easier 20:03:20 <TiberiusTeng> although I used to vim diff files :p 20:04:34 <ccfreak2k> The whole K suite, courtesy of Slackware. 20:04:58 <TiberiusTeng> you're trying to do SDL-OpenGL under Linux? that would be very helpful :p 20:04:59 <Eddi|zuHause> ccfreak2k: "svn diff > file.diff" 20:05:36 <TiberiusTeng> (but I recall you mentioned about its 'uselessness' ? :p) 20:05:36 <ccfreak2k> TiberiusTeng, I figure, now that the win32 gl blitter is pretty much done, I can see what I can do to port it to sdl. 20:06:10 <TiberiusTeng> SDL or even Cocoa opengl interface wouldn't be too difficult IMO ... 20:07:18 <ccfreak2k> Well I just gotta set it up, and hopefully opengl.cpp is platform-independent 20:08:56 <smithj> well i am off, thanks guys 20:08:58 *** smithj [~smithj@77-97-50-77.cable.ubr03.cast.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [] 20:16:30 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.231.53] has quit [Quit: ecke] 20:17:01 <ccfreak2k> Uh. 20:17:03 <ccfreak2k> What is 20:17:08 <TiberiusTeng> ahh, ccfreak2k, try to reserve 32 bits of depth buffer for me :p 20:17:10 <ccfreak2k> HDC dc; 20:17:20 <ccfreak2k> Also I dunno how do do that. 20:17:24 <TiberiusTeng> windows-specific. 20:17:38 <TiberiusTeng> check that opengl18.diff I posted earlier ... 20:18:05 <TiberiusTeng> I think the modification it does to sdl_v.cpp is almost what you need to do 20:19:55 <ccfreak2k> I dunno what any of the lines added in opengl18.diff do, though. 20:20:09 <ccfreak2k> Like static bool _opengl; 20:20:18 <ccfreak2k> I mean, I know what it IS, but I dunno why it's there. 20:21:00 <TiberiusTeng> _opengl = strcmp(BlitterFactoryBase::GetCurrentBlitter()->GetName(), "opengl") == 0; 20:21:12 <TiberiusTeng> well make it constant true :p 20:22:38 <ccfreak2k> I don't get it. 20:22:43 <ccfreak2k> Why can't I just declare it: 20:22:52 <ccfreak2k> static bool _opengl = 1; 20:22:59 <ccfreak2k> Or whatever bool takes. 20:23:01 *** Mchl [~mchl@abdr220.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Quit: What a fine evening] 20:23:01 <TiberiusTeng> true 20:23:16 <ccfreak2k> static bool _opengl = true; 20:24:01 <ccfreak2k> It looks like he just merged opengl code into the sdl library and just made a branching codepath depending on if opengl was selected or not. 20:24:17 <TiberiusTeng> yep, but I think it's better for a standalone driver ... 20:26:16 *** Hendikins [~wolfoxout@vg102.vodafone.com.au] has quit [Quit: Any quit message, no matter how short, is a smart arse comment to those left behind] 20:27:15 *** blathijs_ [~matthijs@drsnuggles.stderr.nl] has joined #openttd 20:27:15 *** blathijs [~matthijs@drsnuggles.stderr.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:29:37 <ccfreak2k> debug("cms", "hurr"); 20:31:18 <ccfreak2k> SDL_GL_BUFFER_SIZE to 32, right? 20:31:50 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.231.53] has joined #openttd 20:31:52 <TiberiusTeng> I think so. 20:32:06 <TiberiusTeng> change SDL_GL_DEPTH_SIZE to 32 too 20:32:25 <TiberiusTeng> I'm now just trying to move sprite sorting into opengl blitter ... 20:32:56 <ccfreak2k> Wait a tick. 20:33:30 <ccfreak2k> Why am I using SDL_GL shit? 20:39:25 <TiberiusTeng> because you're still under SDL context, setting up OpenGL context ... 20:39:42 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host86-146-18-220.range86-146.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:39:43 <TiberiusTeng> that's the whole idea, driver don't don OpenGL themselves 20:39:50 <TiberiusTeng> /don't do/ 20:40:03 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host86-146-18-220.range86-146.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 20:41:40 <ccfreak2k> I implemented the changes made in opengl18.diff. 20:41:41 <ccfreak2k> Now what? 20:41:51 <TiberiusTeng> compile and run? :p 20:42:17 <TiberiusTeng> did you incorporated my PostDriverInit() call in the driver ? 20:42:49 <ccfreak2k> No. 20:43:00 <TiberiusTeng> and ClientSizeChanged(), PreFlip(), PostFlip() 20:43:04 <ccfreak2k> It wasn't in opengl18.diff, so I didn't put it in. :D 20:43:13 <TiberiusTeng> PaletteAnimate() 20:43:42 <ccfreak2k> Those are all in win32gl_v.cpp right? 20:43:52 <ccfreak2k> And they're calls to functions in opengl.cpp? 20:44:18 <TiberiusTeng> yep 20:44:26 <TiberiusTeng> they calls to current blitter 20:45:22 <ccfreak2k> Uh 20:45:33 <ccfreak2k> can you list all of the functions and where/when they should be called? 20:47:31 <ccfreak2k> It's all confusing. 20:47:50 <ccfreak2k> Like how InitializeOpenGL() is in there. 20:49:35 <TiberiusTeng> InitializeOpenGL() is win32-specific OpenGL initialization code 20:49:54 <TiberiusTeng> ClientSizeChanged() should be called when the drawing area (window) size changed 20:50:05 <TiberiusTeng> which includes "first window creation". 20:50:30 <TiberiusTeng> PostDriverInit() should be called once after the driver has set up the OpenGL context 20:51:03 <TiberiusTeng> PreFlip(), PostFlip() ... put them around SDL_GL_SwapBuffers(); 20:51:17 <ccfreak2k> Does CreateMainSurface() count as first window creation? 20:51:38 <TiberiusTeng> I don't know details about SDL+OpenGL ... :Q 20:51:49 <TiberiusTeng> so you probably have to check that out yourself. 20:51:52 <ccfreak2k> NEither do I. 20:51:56 <ccfreak2k> Less so with SDL. 20:52:44 <ccfreak2k> There's a *VideoDriver_SDL::Start() 20:54:28 <ccfreak2k> Where is InitializeOpenGL() called from? 20:54:39 <ccfreak2k> Maybe I can figure out where the opengl init code should go from that. 20:56:20 <Wolf01> 'night 20:56:22 <TiberiusTeng> I think it's at the place peter1138 called SDL_GL_SetAttribute()s ... 20:56:27 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host126-174-dynamic.60-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 20:57:05 <ccfreak2k> That would be CreateMainSurface() 21:00:54 <ccfreak2k> UH 21:00:56 <ccfreak2k> Is that it then? 21:01:58 *** mikl [~mikl@0304ds2-ba.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:03:44 <Sacro> grr, draakon pisss me of 21:03:47 <Sacro> *off 21:04:15 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.231.53] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:07:22 <Eddi|zuHause> Sacro: there's a wonderful key feature for that 21:07:35 <Eddi|zuHause> it's called "ignore" 21:07:58 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@85.19.218.28] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:08:01 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause: meh, i'm in an arguementative mood 21:11:02 <Prof_Frink> No, you're not. 21:13:45 <Sacro> Prof_Frink: yes i am 21:14:11 <TiberiusTeng> still on that tunnel thing ? 21:16:12 <ccfreak2k> Ok, now I need to "include" the files into the project somehow. 21:16:26 <TiberiusTeng> sources.list 21:16:45 <TiberiusTeng> put it in, configure, make 21:17:38 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@85.19.218.28] has joined #openttd 21:26:07 <Eddi|zuHause> new files go in source.list 21:26:57 *** curson [~curzon@p2224-ipbf215funabasi.chiba.ocn.ne.jp] has joined #openttd 21:27:05 <ccfreak2k> Uh oh. 21:27:07 <ccfreak2k> make error. 21:27:09 <ccfreak2k> D: 21:29:07 <ccfreak2k> Shouldn't I be able to, you know, see why make failed? 21:29:58 <fjb> Hm, the pathfinder doesn't take waypoints too serious... 21:33:59 <ccfreak2k> TiberiusTeng, 21:34:25 <ccfreak2k> opengl.cpp:(.text+0x4609): undefined reference to `glEnable' 21:34:27 <ccfreak2k> Etc. etc etc. 21:37:12 <Sacro> ccfreak2k: need opengl stuff 21:37:25 <Sacro> glEnable should be there 21:38:23 <ccfreak2k> Right. That's what GLee is for. 21:39:43 <TiberiusTeng> something like -lgl ? 21:40:14 <TiberiusTeng> -lGL ... 21:40:25 <ccfreak2k> Those kinds of changes are made in the vcproj files for win32. 21:40:30 <ccfreak2k> Where would the appropriate UNIX changes be made? 21:40:40 <TiberiusTeng> LDFLAGS="-lGL" ./configure blahblah 21:40:45 <TiberiusTeng> perhaps config.lib ... 21:41:17 <TiberiusTeng> LIBS variable(s) in config.lib 21:48:07 <Eddi|zuHause> i assume in the medium perspective there should be a --without-opengl switch like --without-sdl 21:48:18 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B582.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:48:42 <ccfreak2k> gluErrorString 21:48:47 <ccfreak2k> Where is that defined? 21:50:28 <Eddi|zuHause> grep? 21:50:54 <ccfreak2k> Well it's missing, so looking for it would be futile. 21:51:28 <TiberiusTeng> something like GLU/glu 21:52:17 <ccfreak2k> Huh. 21:56:01 <ccfreak2k> Ah here we go 21:56:10 <ccfreak2k> /usr/include/GL/glu.h 21:56:42 <ccfreak2k> I wonder why it's not getting included. 21:57:23 <TiberiusTeng> I think I did #include <GL/glu.h> ... 21:57:37 <ccfreak2k> You did. 21:57:43 <ccfreak2k> Which is the frustrating part. 21:57:59 <TiberiusTeng> I thought you were 'linking' it ? 21:58:11 <TiberiusTeng> so it's the LIBS thing 21:58:29 <ccfreak2k> It happens at the linker stage. 21:58:31 <TiberiusTeng> -lGL -lGLU ... sorry for forgotting mentioning it earlier 21:59:14 <Eddi|zuHause> ccfreak2k: you need to search in the lib folder then 21:59:28 <Eddi|zuHause> not some header files 21:59:53 <Eddi|zuHause> the header files were already properly found when you get to the linker stage 22:00:57 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... somehow the packages go even slower than expected... 22:01:05 <Eddi|zuHause> it's still 1.4GB 22:01:12 <Eddi|zuHause> after over two hours 22:01:44 <Eddi|zuHause> and that's not even the download size, it's the installed size of the packages 22:03:46 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@85.19.218.28] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:04:19 *** divo [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.21 :: www.esnation.com )] 22:04:55 <ccfreak2k> There' 22:04:58 <ccfreak2k> Build successful. 22:07:42 <ccfreak2k> Where is the driver itself "defined" so it's made available for use? 22:09:18 <TiberiusTeng> no it don't. it just register itself to the program if you compiled it in. 22:09:24 <TiberiusTeng> so just give -v -b options directly 22:09:57 <ccfreak2k> I did that. 22:11:38 <TiberiusTeng> hmm ... did you copied & edited the .h file of driver? 22:11:45 <TiberiusTeng> I thought the name's defined there 22:12:01 <ccfreak2k> I think I need to make a few more changes. 22:13:12 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@85.19.218.28] has joined #openttd 22:13:57 <ccfreak2k> And yeah I did do that. 22:14:09 <ccfreak2k> I renamed the classes too... 22:22:03 <ccfreak2k> Hmm 22:22:20 <ccfreak2k> If sdlgl gets registered correctly, does it show up in the list of video drivers? 22:26:19 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B582.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:27:19 <ccfreak2k> Shouldn't WITH_SDLGL (mine) get #define'd somewhere? 22:28:11 *** curson [~curzon@p2224-ipbf215funabasi.chiba.ocn.ne.jp] has quit [Quit: If everything seems to be going well, you have obviously overlooked something.] 22:28:51 <Eddi|zuHause> put "-dWITH_SDLGL" at a meaningful place in the config.lib 22:29:47 <ccfreak2k> Where would I find such a meaningful place? 22:30:09 <ccfreak2k> I'm guessing set_default() would be one such place. 22:31:56 <Eddi|zuHause> wherever else you find -dSOMETHING options 22:32:41 <Eddi|zuHause> like i said, i'd look where the --with-sdl leads you, and then copy that for --with-opengl 22:33:10 <ccfreak2k> I was just adding it as --with-sdlgl. 22:35:10 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d000b26.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:52:10 <Eddi|zuHause> how you actually call it is just an implementation detail ;) 22:52:45 <ccfreak2k> I just made a hack that set CFLAGS="$CFLAGS -DWITH_SDLGL" if $with_sdlgl was 1...which was set if --with-sdlgl was set. 22:52:59 <ccfreak2k> So it doesn't actually check to see if SDL was enabled. 22:53:01 <ccfreak2k> :) 22:54:34 <Eddi|zuHause> the first prototype is to learn how to not do it :p 22:57:01 <ccfreak2k> I figure, someone else can fix it if it gets included into trunk. 22:57:10 <ccfreak2k> All of MY boxes have SDL, so it's no problems for me. 22:58:50 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@85.19.218.28] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:58:53 <Eddi|zuHause> # Kor-ah, Syahd-ho. 22:58:59 <Eddi|zuHause> # Rah-tah-mah, Daan-yah. 22:59:11 <Eddi|zuHause> # Kor-ah, Kee-lah, Daan-yah. 23:03:06 <ccfreak2k> Now my cpp/hpp files are throwing a bunch of errors. 23:06:38 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@85.19.218.28] has joined #openttd 23:14:17 <ccfreak2k> God. 23:14:25 <ccfreak2k> All of the errors are in association with classes. 23:15:44 *** blathijs_ [~matthijs@drsnuggles.stderr.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:15:46 *** blathijs [~matthijs@drsnuggles.stderr.nl] has joined #openttd 23:20:20 <ccfreak2k> Fuck. 23:20:21 <ccfreak2k> I hate this. 23:25:00 <ccfreak2k> SDL_CALL_SDL_SetVideoMode() 23:25:03 <ccfreak2k> Where is this declared? 23:26:56 <ccfreak2k> Oh, it's a typo. 23:27:45 *** grumbel [~grumbel@i577AF58D.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Client exiting] 23:31:42 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 23:36:15 *** Nite [~anonym@chello062178193175.3.15.vie.surfer.at] has joined #openttd 23:36:20 <Nite> Hi! 23:36:37 <Nite> will number of players be raised soon? 23:38:39 <ccfreak2k> There. 23:38:41 <ccfreak2k> I fixed it. 23:38:42 <ccfreak2k> I ope. 23:40:19 <Belugas> Nite, no 23:40:26 <Belugas> simple question, simple answer 23:40:27 <ccfreak2k> TiberiusTeng, 23:40:37 <ccfreak2k> I did it! 23:40:39 <ccfreak2k> :D 23:41:20 <TiberiusTeng> ?! 23:41:22 <ccfreak2k> I hacked my way to an sdlgl driver. 23:41:25 <TiberiusTeng> it works ? under SDL ? 23:41:28 <TiberiusTeng> gosh XD 23:41:41 <ccfreak2k> I would assume it works, since I got a non-black screen when I set -v sdlgl. 23:41:52 <Nite> oh ok - i just thought of a mmottd 23:41:55 <TiberiusTeng> -v sdlgl -b opengl and it ... works ? 23:42:02 <TiberiusTeng> playable? 23:42:20 <ccfreak2k> Yes. 23:42:32 <TiberiusTeng> hey ...... :D 23:42:34 <ccfreak2k> Even the scrolling at farthest zoom isn't slow (!). 23:42:39 <ccfreak2k> Which makes me worried. 23:42:42 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host86-146-18-220.range86-146.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:43:03 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host86-146-18-220.range86-146.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 23:43:05 <Nite> whats the goal of playercount for final (1.0) ottd then? 23:43:31 <ccfreak2k> But I think it is using opengl, since I get messages from your opengl blitter. 23:43:39 <Belugas> dunno, there is no plan on when nor what nor if there will be a 1.0 23:44:35 <ccfreak2k> The sdlgl driver -should- also work in win32 if the sdl driver does. 23:44:48 <TiberiusTeng> yes, it's a great test subject ... 23:44:51 <Nite> ok then i justz suppose unlimited players 23:45:10 <TiberiusTeng> but I stayed up overnight again, now I would take a nap ... 23:45:37 <TiberiusTeng> hope I can incorporate your patch and tweak the build script after I wake up :p 23:46:09 <TiberiusTeng> give win32gl and opengl something like --with-win32gl, --with-opengl perhaps 23:46:10 <Belugas> Nite, if you do that, it means you fantasize over it. IT does not mean it's going to happen 23:46:29 <ccfreak2k> TiberiusTeng, already did --with-sdlgl. 23:46:31 *** Farden [~jk3farden@ram94-7-82-232-189-236.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:46:35 <Belugas> from where i stand, unlimited players is just heresy 23:46:45 <TiberiusTeng> or even make --with-win32gl and --with-sdlgl imply --with-opengl. that makes sense. :D 23:47:16 <Belugas> and raising the limit (which is linked to networking and a whole lot more constraints) is not really something been remotely envisionned 23:47:21 <ccfreak2k> Hmm. 23:47:25 <ccfreak2k> Resizing doesn't seem to work. 23:47:40 <Nite> ok lets say 65536 players ;) 23:48:10 <TiberiusTeng> perhaps 60 seconds per frame I think? :p 23:49:07 <TiberiusTeng> ccfreak2k, check SDL_VIDEORESIZE ? 23:49:30 <ccfreak2k> What should be there? 23:50:44 <TiberiusTeng> calling blitter's ClientSizeChanged() 23:51:11 <TiberiusTeng> but uh-oh, seems it always recreates the surface each time window size got changed 23:51:27 <TiberiusTeng> perhaps you'll need to do some housekeeping for OpenGL context ... 23:51:47 <ccfreak2k> If it's a memory leak-type situation, I'm going to die. 23:52:03 *** Nite [~anonym@chello062178193175.3.15.vie.surfer.at] has quit [Quit: Dana] 23:52:47 <ccfreak2k> Goddamn I hate classes. 23:52:58 <TiberiusTeng> google for "sdl opengl resize" :p 23:53:20 <TiberiusTeng> I'm gotta sleep, can't even type correctly now 23:54:34 <TiberiusTeng> http://www.gamedev.net/community/forums/topic.asp?topic_id=406165 23:58:28 <ccfreak2k> Some debugging is going to need to be done. 23:58:58 <ccfreak2k> As the window's vertical size increases, the "contents" of the window go furthur up.