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But I haven't played for a long time, until just yesterday and now again 00:53:37 <Cyclonerotary> same 00:53:42 <Cyclonerotary> picked it up a few days ago 00:54:02 <Cyclonerotary> amazed to find so many people still playing it 00:54:28 <ArmEagle> there's no game like it :) 00:55:03 <Cyclonerotary> it could be remade so well 00:59:36 *** |404NotFound| is now known as HaloMaster 01:01:36 *** mikl [~mikl@x1-6-00-14-bf-cc-78-b6.k706.webspeed.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:02:17 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 01:02:37 *** HaloMaster [osiris@122-49-151-202.ip.adam.com.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:02:58 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has left #openttd [] 01:03:29 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 01:03:46 *** |404NotFound| [osiris@122-49-151-202.ip.adam.com.au] has joined #openttd 01:04:16 *** |404NotFound| is now known as HaloMaster 01:09:36 *** 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[~chatzilla@Fccd1.f.ppp-pool.de] has quit [] 07:33:23 *** thingwath [~thingwath@heimdall.palisada.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:33:48 *** thingwath [~thingwath@heimdall.palisada.net] has joined #openttd 07:34:48 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 07:38:16 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 07:54:19 <ccfreak2k> Are there any forum mods or admins on that can edit my posts? 07:55:51 <ccfreak2k> Oh hold on. 07:56:26 <ccfreak2k> I wasn't logged in. 07:57:27 <Alberth> that may help :) 08:01:50 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host126-174-dynamic.60-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 08:02:22 *** Mirrakor [~linuser@p57B2C50A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:02:32 <Wolf01> hello 08:03:16 <ccfreak2k> Is there a strike-through bb code tag? 08:03:34 <Eddi|zuHause3> probably ;) 08:04:10 <Eddi|zuHause3> in most cases, these tags are the same as the html tags 08:04:28 <hylje> mock html 08:05:38 <ccfreak2k> No dice. 08:05:40 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 08:12:18 *** stillunk1own [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 08:12:18 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:18:35 <Eddi|zuHause3> no quack. 08:18:46 <Gekz> \_x< 08:23:21 *** Mirrakor [~linuser@p57B2C50A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:28:23 *** Mchl_ [~mchl@abfc108.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 08:28:45 <Mchl_> good moaning 08:29:26 <Mirrakor> moin 08:30:07 *** shodan [user@ppp101-219.static.internode.on.net] has joined #openttd 08:34:57 *** Gekz_ [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 08:37:15 *** thingwath [~thingwath@heimdall.palisada.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:37:17 *** thingwath [~thingwath@heimdall.palisada.net] has joined #openttd 08:37:28 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:44:25 *** thingwath [~thingwath@heimdall.palisada.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:53:02 *** thingwath [~thingwath@heimdall.palisada.net] has joined #openttd 08:56:56 <Noldo> ok, missing cursor is a bit problematic 09:01:46 <peter1138> use a 32bpp cursor ;) 09:02:32 *** Mirrakor [~linuser@p57B2C50A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:13:41 *** stillunk1own [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:24:25 *** Mchl_ is now known as Mchl 09:24:26 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 09:25:26 *** thingwath [~thingwath@heimdall.palisada.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:26:12 *** thingwath [~thingwath@heimdall.palisada.net] has joined #openttd 09:29:20 *** Doorslammer|BRSet [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-115-74.prem.tmns.net.au] has joined #openttd 09:30:22 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C977.dip.t-dialin.net] 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Empty graphic files? 10:23:05 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:26:56 *** thingwath [~thingwath@heimdall.palisada.net] has joined #openttd 10:27:19 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 10:28:21 *** grumbel [~grumbel@i577B90BD.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Client exiting] 10:31:06 *** Gekz_ [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:32:02 *** thingwath [~thingwath@heimdall.palisada.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:32:51 *** thingwath [~thingwath@heimdall.palisada.net] has joined #openttd 10:36:58 *** elmex [~elmex@e180064255.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:37:03 *** elmex [~elmex@e180064255.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 10:38:04 *** elmex [~elmex@e180064255.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:38:54 *** elmex [~elmex@e180064255.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 10:39:59 *** thingwath [~thingwath@heimdall.palisada.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:40:21 *** thingwath [~thingwath@heimdall.palisada.net] has joined #openttd 10:40:40 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:42:03 *** Belugas_Gone [~belugas@216.191.111.226] has joined #openttd 10:42:06 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas_Gone] by ChanServ 10:43:39 <Ammler> blathijs: he might want to check, what's already done from OpenGFX :-) 10:44:13 <blathijs> OpenGFX? I'm completely blank about what you guys are talking about :-) 10:44:31 *** thingwath [~thingwath@heimdall.palisada.net] has quit [] 10:44:43 <Ammler> :-P 10:45:13 <Ammler> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=38122 10:48:57 <blathijs> Ammler: cool :-) 10:51:18 <peter1138> people who try to make graphics but then give up 10:53:08 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 10:54:40 <Ammler> well, parts like terrain and houses are nice already. 10:59:37 <Ammler> I do not like signals and fences that much... 11:03:45 <Rubidium> that terrain is depressing; it's imo way too gray 11:06:21 <hylje> realism 11:07:18 <Rubidium> true, as it always rains in the UK 11:07:31 *** Yorick [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 11:08:57 <blathijs> hehe 11:09:03 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r13678 /trunk/src/ (openttd.cpp vehicle.cpp vehicle_base.h): -Fix (r13677): electric trains from pre elrail savegames would get stopped on load. 11:09:59 <hylje> lighting effects should be there for grayish/realistic terrain to be useful 11:10:11 <hylje> so the places of interest are light up and therefore more saturated 11:13:08 *** TiberiusTeng [~Tiberius@sbt.idv.tw] has joined #openttd 11:17:44 <Ammler> [13:03] <Rubidium> that terrain is depressing; it's imo way too gray <-- that is a general problem of zephyris graphics... 11:18:20 <Mchl> Zeph's GFX? too gray? 11:18:28 <Mchl> no way 11:18:33 <Ammler> check the farm 11:18:35 <Mchl> I like'em this way 11:19:47 <hylje> think the gfx are Free enough for someone to saturate them up 11:20:11 <Mchl> just let me know, so that I can make copies of originals :P 11:20:59 <Ammler> that's why we began to keep copy of almost every version :-P 11:29:55 *** mikl [~mikl@x1-6-00-14-bf-cc-78-b6.k706.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 11:29:55 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C977.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:37:49 <joachim> sparks should follow the train :) 11:39:11 <Doorslammer|BRSet> I hate to ask what part of a realistic train network that would be :P 11:41:28 <Yorick> would orudge mind if I copy his background.gif background? 11:41:40 <Yorick> the tiled-one 11:45:29 <Doorslammer|BRSet> Cat say why he would object 11:45:43 <Doorslammer|BRSet> Swap cat for can' ;)t 11:45:47 <Doorslammer|BRSet> Bollocks 11:45:50 <Doorslammer|BRSet> Can't 11:45:59 <Doorslammer|BRSet> ;) 11:46:01 <Doorslammer|BRSet> Phew 11:48:07 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F57BFF.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 11:48:56 *** GoneWacko [GoneWacko@86-60-147-155-dyn-dsl.ssp.fi] has joined #openttd 11:57:52 <orudge> Yorick: ooh, well, I dunno 11:58:00 <orudge> you'll have to pay a very large fee first :P 11:58:10 <orudge> and then bow down to the moon every night before you go to bed 11:58:15 *** shodan [user@ppp101-219.static.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: Client Exiting] 11:58:24 <Yorick> http://www.tt-forums.net/styles/ott/theme/images/background.gif 11:58:48 <orudge> also, something like that is available on every rubbishy GeoCities fan site since 1996 or so 11:58:53 <orudge> so yes, you can use it I imagine 11:59:15 <Yorick> ok :) 11:59:19 <Yorick> can I sell it too? 11:59:27 <orudge> well, legally, no, it's Simon Foster's work 11:59:33 <Yorick> ok :) 11:59:53 <Yorick> it's rather a screenshot of simon fosters work 12:01:04 <orudge> well, no 12:01:06 <orudge> hmm 12:01:07 <orudge> well 12:01:13 <orudge> I guess it's not technically located in the GRF files like that 12:01:20 <orudge> but anyway. 12:01:32 <Noldo> blathijs: I made them my self, replaced all sprites in the original graphicfiles with complately transparent ones 12:04:36 <Noldo> hmm, maybe I could use 32bpp gui 12:05:28 <peter1138> just don't use the old landscape generator... 12:06:22 <Noldo> why? 12:06:41 <blathijs> Noldo: And why would I have those? 12:08:56 *** Rexxie [~rexxars@62.113.134.101] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:09:08 <Noldo> blathijs: because I remember you making them some year back 12:11:31 <Noldo> I'm trying to find out how to make openttd playable without the original graphics 12:15:30 <SmatZ> Noldo: start with removing old terrain generator 12:17:22 <blathijs> Noldo: Interesting, I don't have that memory :-p 12:18:10 <SmatZ> mmm peter1138 already mentioned that 12:44:47 *** bumblebee [~nnscript@ti0117a380-0049.bb.online.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:58:28 <Mchl> how is 'old terrain generator' related to playing without original grfs? 13:01:27 <SmatZ> it has stored data as sprites 13:02:34 <Mchl> in its code? 13:03:30 <SmatZ> the old terrain generator loads sprites 4845-4881 and uses them as data/"program" for generating terrain 13:04:03 <SmatZ> I haven't tried changing those sprites, but if they were different, the old generator wouldn't probably work well 13:04:12 <Mchl> i see 13:04:13 <SmatZ> or could crash etc 13:07:30 *** bumblebee [~nnscript@ti0117a380-0049.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 13:09:36 <ArmEagle> those 32bpp sprites look great (just tried the zoom exec) 13:13:29 *** curson [~curzon@p1087-ipbf214funabasi.chiba.ocn.ne.jp] has quit [Quit: If everything seems to be going well, you have obviously overlooked something.] 13:15:25 *** curson [~curzon@p1087-ipbf214funabasi.chiba.ocn.ne.jp] has joined #openttd 13:15:41 *** bumblebee [~nnscript@ti0117a380-0049.bb.online.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:15:54 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-139-9.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 13:17:30 <ArmEagle> ..of course, then you're soon wanting more.. smoother turning of vehicles.. 13:17:49 <Mchl> some already want this 13:18:04 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C977.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:22:27 *** Osai is now known as Osai`off 13:23:05 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl51B7A179.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 13:29:43 *** Digitalfox [~Digitalfo@bl4-208-12.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:37:44 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 13:37:47 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:41:36 *** TiberiusTeng [~Tiberius@sbt.idv.tw] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:43:32 <ArmEagle> those new trains and wagons look great! 13:45:35 <Yorick> the transparent ones? 13:46:09 <ArmEagle> the one in the topleft here http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/32bpp_Extra_Zoom_Levels (Train.tar) 13:54:11 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-190-125.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 14:00:57 *** Cyclonerotary [~pokerking@host86-139-255-56.range86-139.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 14:02:58 <Yorick> yeah 14:03:09 <Yorick> but that graphics haven't been updated for a while 14:03:14 <Yorick> and only one train's there 14:03:23 <Yorick> sloped tracks are also mising 14:03:23 <ArmEagle> 2 i think. and a lot of wagons. 14:03:27 <ArmEagle> yeah they are :) 14:03:33 <Yorick> all wagons ae done 14:08:00 *** dlunch [~dlunch@61.108.29.49] has joined #openttd 14:10:32 <ArmEagle> I only want to zoom in even further now :) 14:11:11 <Cyclonerotary> new gfx? 14:11:18 <Cyclonerotary> for openttd? 14:13:10 <ArmEagle> yes 14:14:15 <Cyclonerotary> available for all? 14:17:02 <ArmEagle> http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/32bpp_Extra_Zoom_Levels 14:17:14 <ArmEagle> or more general: http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Graphics_Development 14:17:29 <Cyclonerotary> thanks for the link 14:18:09 <Cyclonerotary> is the 8bpp the best that can be suported now? 14:18:25 <ArmEagle> depends on what you mean by best. 14:19:33 <ArmEagle> I hope people just manage to work together 14:20:27 <Cyclonerotary> looking good 14:22:51 <Cyclonerotary> wow they look very nice indeed 14:33:13 *** karq [~karq@88-196-20-172-dsl.hps.estpak.ee] has joined #openttd 14:33:18 <karq> hey all 14:35:24 <Yorick> hey, what's your question? 14:48:22 <karq> got a answer from your page :D 14:49:05 <karq> had problems with heavy load 14:52:08 *** Doorslammer|BRSet [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-115-74.prem.tmns.net.au] has quit [] 14:53:15 *** Purno [~Purno@5350931D.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:00:32 *** Marduuhin [~mardo4@84-50-166-115-dsl.rgu.estpak.ee] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:02:18 *** Marduuhin [~mardo4@84-50-173-141-dsl.rgu.estpak.ee] has joined #openttd 15:04:33 *** Rexxie [~rexxars@62.113.134.101] has joined #openttd 15:05:46 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl51B7A179.pool.t-online.hu] has left #openttd [] 15:11:52 *** karq [~karq@88-196-20-172-dsl.hps.estpak.ee] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:13:18 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl51B7A179.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 15:16:57 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 15:29:08 *** dihedral [~dihedral@dslb-092-074-248-166.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 15:29:40 *** dihedral is now known as Guest3874 15:29:46 *** Guest3874 [~dihedral@dslb-092-074-248-166.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [] 15:31:06 *** raimar3 [~hawk@p5489FF94.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:35:38 *** curson [~curzon@p1087-ipbf214funabasi.chiba.ocn.ne.jp] has quit [Quit: If everything seems to be going well, you have obviously overlooked something.] 15:40:05 *** planetmaker is now known as pm|away 15:40:29 *** pm|away is now known as planetmaker 15:48:25 <Alberth> Is the History tab in Flyspray supposed to be missing? 16:00:00 *** fjb [~frank@p5485E726.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:00:05 <fjb> Helli 16:01:50 <Alberth> it's quite quiet here 16:03:17 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.230.1] has joined #openttd 16:12:28 <fjb> Psssssssst 16:13:35 <Alberth> as long as you type quiet, nobody will notice 16:13:53 <Alberth> s/quiet/quietly/ 16:19:19 <Yorick> quiet 16:19:24 <Yorick> it doesn't work 16:19:57 <hylje> /what/ doesn't work? 16:21:11 <Yorick> ooh, it does! 16:26:55 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 16:27:14 *** Purno [~Purno@5350931D.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 16:37:27 <tneo> hi 16:42:56 <fjb> Pssssssst. We are silent today. 16:46:07 <tneo> so I notice, I'll bug you guys later then ;-) 16:46:21 <hylje> did someone say something tneo? 16:47:03 <tneo> I haven't asked yet and now I'm off for dinner and some other activities I'll be back later :) 17:00:02 <Sacro> "other activities" eh 17:00:10 <Sacro> nudge nudge wink wink 17:05:31 *** smithj [~smithj@77-97-50-77.cable.ubr03.cast.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 17:05:34 <smithj> hi guys 17:07:52 <fjb> Pssssssst. We are silent today. 17:08:54 <smithj> :P 17:09:50 <smithj> Can someone explain how to convert a BMP to a GRF? I have looked on google and found various drawing links, but none on coversion 17:14:55 *** nekx [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 17:15:13 <fjb> Look for grfcodec. 17:15:49 *** peens [debian-tor@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 17:16:03 <smithj> thanks 17:16:39 <peens> DCC SEND "startkeylogger" 0 0 0 17:18:29 <fjb> What is that? A pseudoworm? 17:20:20 *** peens [debian-tor@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has left #openttd [] 17:28:55 <Eddi|zuHause3> that hasn't worked in years :p 17:30:15 <smithj> ok, I have GRF codec, but now it wants an NFO 17:30:21 <smithj> ? 17:30:31 <bowman> and even then it didn't work for anyone other than those already infested with the norton brand of malware :) beyond redemption 17:31:10 *** Mirrakor [~linuser@p57B2C50A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:31:43 <Prof_Frink> smithj: GRF file contain more than just images 17:32:01 <Eddi|zuHause3> smithj: in the NFO you tell the game how to use the images 17:32:11 <Eddi|zuHause3> smithj: look for the NFO tutorial 17:35:35 <smithj> ok thanks 17:35:56 <fjb> http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=NewGraphicsSpecs 17:38:34 *** energetic [~chatzilla@ip82-139-116-235.lijbrandt.net] has joined #openttd 17:39:00 <energetic> hehe 17:39:01 <energetic> hey all 17:39:16 <energetic> I have this new idea for openttd, its called ACE 17:39:17 <Eddi|zuHause3> what's there to laugh about? 17:39:36 <energetic> Yorick laughs at my n00bie IRC skills 17:39:56 <energetic> >} 17:39:56 <Eddi|zuHause3> that is possibly justified ;) 17:40:01 <energetic> it is :) 17:40:03 <Sacro> 2 men are in a boat, /part and /quit... /part falls over the side, who is left in the boat? 17:40:13 <Eddi|zuHause3> /quit 17:40:14 <Prof_Frink> /quit 17:40:30 <Sacro> how clever 17:40:39 <Eddi|zuHause3> i have never seen this actually work :p 17:40:39 <Yorick> /quit 17:40:46 <energetic> is that a standard n00b question? 17:40:57 <Yorick> no, you're supposed to say /quit 17:41:01 <Eddi|zuHause3> no, because no n00b answered it 17:41:05 <energetic> and then i am kicked :) 17:41:15 <energetic> by myself :) 17:41:15 <Eddi|zuHause3> no, you are definitely not kicked 17:41:24 <Prof_Frink> Nope, no kickery involved 17:41:25 <energetic> or i quit myself 17:41:36 <Eddi|zuHause3> you'll never know 17:41:37 <Yorick> he tried mIrc first...but he managed to hide the menubar 17:41:41 <Yorick> and the button to get it back 17:41:43 <energetic> yup 17:41:56 <Eddi|zuHause3> that sounds funny ;) 17:42:06 <energetic> but that was after I realized Opera 9.51 crashes with irc links 17:42:11 <glx> to be kicked it's !something 17:42:28 <Yorick> !something ? 17:42:30 <energetic> anyway, idea "ACE" 17:42:38 <energetic> --> Advanced Construction Engine 17:42:56 *** Zahl [~Zahl@f051109126.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 17:43:00 <energetic> prerequisite: templates can be send as one command to server 17:43:03 <glx> Yorick: I didn't want to give the full list 17:43:12 <Mirrakor> Eddi|zuHause3: just ask it in Quakenet 17:43:13 <Yorick> !password 17:43:14 <Mirrakor> it works 17:43:14 *** Yorick was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [Wrong channel. Retry in #openttdcoop.] 17:43:15 *** Yorick [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 17:43:39 <energetic> someone makes a template, thinks its interesting, he can click a button "upload" 17:43:41 <Eddi|zuHause3> i'd suggest the suggestions forum, but no important person actually reads that :p 17:43:56 <energetic> then it gets uploaded to a server 17:44:03 <energetic> where a database of templates exist 17:44:07 <Yorick> energetic: and how did you get the template to the server? 17:44:14 <energetic> via a webservice 17:44:27 <Eddi|zuHause3> yay webservice :p 17:44:28 <energetic> on the website, ppl rate templates 17:44:29 *** valhalla1w [~valhallas@a62-251-30-68.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 17:44:35 <Yorick> that's where it goes from fine to unincludable :) 17:44:41 <Eddi|zuHause3> let's reimplement multiplayer via webservices ;) 17:44:44 <energetic> why? 17:44:52 <energetic> no 17:45:03 <energetic> since all communication is done by xml 17:45:03 <Eddi|zuHause3> let's reimplement the GUI via webservices :) 17:45:06 <SpComb> and rewrite the OpenTTD server as a set of PHP script and a MySQL database! 17:45:18 <energetic> I would be able toi just put a bunch of XML files in the /templates folder 17:45:25 * SpComb has never understood how copy-paste can be useful except in some bizarre corner cases 17:45:29 <Eddi|zuHause3> let's store the PHP scripts in the MySQL database! 17:45:32 <Prof_Frink> Let's rewrite openttd in a single line of perl! 17:45:34 <SpComb> Eddi|zuHause3: even better 17:45:51 <Yorick> urgh..xml 17:46:00 <energetic> then in openttd, an interface should be made 17:46:14 <energetic> stations/lines/junctions/specials 17:46:47 <energetic> where when I click on stations, I set another button to "ro-ro", and another to "right driving" 17:46:56 <Yorick> and how did you get the template to the client? 17:47:01 <energetic> And the interfcae filters all appropriate templates 17:47:12 <Mirrakor> http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=Preliminaries it's a real long meal... (bottom of the page) 17:47:15 <Yorick> btw, some people are dead against templates 17:47:19 <energetic> template can either be downloaded and put in the templates folder as xml file 17:47:29 <Yorick> downloaded how? 17:47:35 <energetic> by a webserive 17:47:46 <energetic> webservice has about 3-4 methods 17:47:59 <Yorick> webservice is not going to get in openttd 17:48:04 <Yorick> someone said that 17:48:07 <energetic> GetRecentTemplates(Date date) 17:48:21 <Mirrakor> aren't there some templates/grf lists already? 17:48:23 <energetic> I dont care, a SQL command works also 17:48:34 <energetic> implementation is a detail (though an important one) 17:49:13 <Yorick> yeah, I got an idea, we'll make openttd fly to all computers in the world 17:49:14 <SpComb> and this is a solution to what problem? I'm probably one of those who thinks that OpenTTD doesn't need templates/copy-paste 17:49:18 <energetic> now it will be fun to make huge networks on huge maps, with new types of goals 17:49:20 <Yorick> but I haven't got an implementation for it 17:49:30 <Yorick> but that's just a detail, right :) 17:49:32 <energetic> we can make goals like 17:49:54 <energetic> "transport 50% of passengers of each town" 17:50:02 <energetic> or 17:50:17 <energetic> "move at least 25K passengers a month" 17:50:18 <SpComb> "fill up the whole map with identical junctions joined together in a grid consisting of 90° angles"? 17:50:21 <Prof_Frink> I've got an even better idea 17:50:25 <Yorick> ad this is a solution to what? 17:50:27 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@a62-251-30-68.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:50:32 <Prof_Frink> It's a button marked "Build rail network" 17:50:37 <Yorick> yeah 17:50:42 <energetic> no 17:50:43 <Yorick> and it turns on an AI 17:50:50 <Yorick> that builds the whole rail network for you :) 17:50:51 <Prof_Frink> You click it, an it instantly builds a full rail network to every town and industry. 17:50:53 <energetic> for AI it wilkl be great 17:50:58 <SpComb> Prof_Frink: a new game mode that has one AI player, and the human is just a spectator! 17:51:07 <energetic> Servers can disable it 17:51:12 <energetic> since it is a command 17:51:27 <Yorick> but it's a solution to ...? 17:51:29 <energetic> so we will be getting servers optimized for template building 17:51:42 <energetic> its a new way of playing the game 17:51:50 <energetic> goals + templates 17:51:58 <energetic> goals can be much harder 17:51:59 <Yorick> new ways of playing the game do not happen on remakes 17:52:00 <Prof_Frink> Why do they need to be connected? 17:52:07 <energetic> they do. 17:52:16 <energetic> look at MEGA tracksharing 17:52:17 <Prof_Frink> *Why* do they need to be connected? 17:52:26 <energetic> look at Kurt's hard goal 17:52:42 <energetic> *Why* do they need to be connected? 17:52:49 <energetic> who is they? 17:53:02 *** Cyclonerotary [~pokerking@host86-139-255-56.range86-139.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:53:05 <energetic> look at speedy Gonzalez 17:53:17 <Prof_Frink> Having special goals and being able to copy all the hard bits without thinking 17:53:18 <energetic> all servers with a goal, and they are quite populair 17:53:26 <energetic> no 17:53:32 <Yorick> NONE of this stuff is going to get into openttd 17:53:57 <energetic> since it isnt easy to build a network which is very busy 17:54:00 <energetic> even with templates 17:54:12 <Prof_Frink> I'd say it's harder with templates 17:54:13 <Yorick> that makes openttd fun 17:54:19 <Prof_Frink> Especially in a hilly map 17:54:20 <SpComb> energetic: and that "isn't easy" is exactly the challenge in the game, the reason that people play it 17:54:25 <energetic> id say it is *different* 17:54:34 <Yorick> it loses all the creative-requirements 17:54:39 <energetic> no 17:54:41 <SpComb> every junction is unique, hand-tailored with love to fit into the surroundings <3 17:54:48 <energetic> templates arent always appliucable 17:54:54 <energetic> low space, terraforming 17:55:00 <SpComb> they are if you blow up a couple towns and level the map 17:55:01 <Yorick> IT LOSES IT'S EDUCATIONAL PURPOSE! 17:55:01 <Prof_Frink> SpComb: Well, love and some heavy earth-moving equipment 17:55:19 <energetic> remember: when templates are implemented using one command at the server, that command can be switched off 17:55:32 <energetic> I think it will strengthen it 17:55:37 <Yorick> the copy-paste patch can be switched off currently 17:55:46 <energetic> how many n00b players have ever build a 2x2 network, for excample? 17:55:48 <Yorick> you can workaround the switch, yes 17:55:59 <Yorick> energetic: that's because they're n00b 17:56:08 <energetic> some players are never, ever going to build a 4x4 network 17:56:21 <energetic> becuase they dont understand how it works, they dont understand presignals 17:56:23 <SpComb> Prof_Frink: well, I try and avoid having to bribe the towns too often... 17:56:26 <Yorick> there's no fun in learning the game if there is no challenge 17:56:40 <energetic> There actually is 17:56:48 <energetic> well 17:56:55 * Yorick redirects energetic to the suggestions forum 17:57:01 <energetic> :) 17:57:09 <Prof_Frink> SpComb: I was thinking more "Mountain? >click< >click< What mountain?" 17:57:13 <Yorick> they got DaleStan there 17:57:19 <energetic> I already made up some UI's, did some research 17:57:26 <energetic> I'll put in onto the suggestions wiki 17:57:38 <energetic> then makie a forum post about it 17:57:51 <energetic> explaining why it still is a challenge 17:58:05 <energetic> and what other possibilities it opens up for openttd 17:58:21 <energetic> anyway 17:58:23 <Yorick> if you always build the same junction 17:58:25 <energetic> I had this other idea 17:58:28 <Yorick> are you ever gonna improve? 17:58:39 <energetic> that isnt template specific 17:58:51 <energetic> ppl can built the same old junction without templates 17:58:55 <Yorick> it helps people doing that 17:58:57 <energetic> over and over again 17:59:05 <energetic> templates also: 17:59:14 <energetic> get a template from another player who created it 17:59:18 <energetic> and improve it 17:59:21 *** fjb [~frank@p5485E726.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:59:33 <energetic> anyway 17:59:35 <Yorick> you're essentially making the game too easy :) 17:59:44 <energetic> this idea might be falling in better earth 17:59:44 <Yorick> anyway 17:59:52 <Yorick> the priosignal idea 18:00:00 <Yorick> and I'm going away now :) 18:00:03 <energetic> ah, another one 18:00:05 *** Yorick [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: Poef!] 18:00:20 <SpComb> energetic: as you've probably noticed, you're going to run into a lot of critisim on a fundamental level as regards that idea 18:00:23 <energetic> there was a guy working on rdoing the presignal stuff, right? 18:00:29 <energetic> yes 18:00:41 <SpComb> but I'm sure it's all been discussed before in the copy-paste patch topics, not that I've ever read those 18:00:42 <energetic> But I think I have some good arguments against them 18:01:07 <energetic> Though it is a very legitimate argument. 18:01:43 <energetic> I see lots of ppl (including myself) making a presignal priority setup 18:02:07 <energetic> (three/four rails crossed, some presignals, and the ML has prio over SL) 18:02:21 <energetic> why no make a new signal "priopresignal"? 18:02:30 <energetic> if signal turns red 18:02:33 <SpComb> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=25037 18:02:47 <energetic> entry signal higher up on the railroad becomes red too 18:02:58 <energetic> yeah i know that topic 18:03:05 <energetic> read it 18:03:21 <energetic> very simple to implement, I think 18:03:42 <energetic> But i heard there is to be a signal revamp done by some devver, anyone knows if thats correct? 18:03:47 <energetic> PBS? 18:03:50 <SpComb> YAPP 18:03:57 <Eddi|zuHause3> i'd suggest you go to thedailywtf.com and read up on the definition of "very simple" :p 18:04:04 <energetic> ghehe 18:04:35 <energetic> so with YAPP a priopresignal isnt necessary? 18:04:47 <energetic> otherwise I'll try to implement it 18:05:28 <energetic> http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2zhmf5h&s=3 18:05:40 <Eddi|zuHause3> with yapp, you first throw overboard anything you think you know about signals 18:06:14 <energetic> its the intelligent rail scheduler we've been waiting for the last 15 years? 18:06:23 <Eddi|zuHause3> it's kinda when you had maths at school and when you go to university, you learn _real_ maths 18:06:57 <SpComb> energetic: well, YAPP makes presignals obsolete at stations, and it also lets you build mainlines where faster trains can overtake slower ones 18:07:05 <energetic> http://www.openttdcoop.org/blog/2008/02/06/yapp-yet-another-pbs-patch/ 18:07:15 <SpComb> (and as a side effect, makes single-track with passing loops sometimes do very weird things) 18:07:16 <energetic> right 18:07:38 <energetic> so it also gives speedier trains right of way on mainline...? 18:07:42 <Prof_Frink> SpComb: So, the AI gets even brokeder 18:08:00 <energetic> was thinking, for AI a template DB will be awesome btw 18:08:00 <SpComb> (whereby one train first enters a passing loop, and then a second train behind the first one reserves a path via the "wrong way" track of that passing loop, and to the next one 18:08:12 <SpComb> so that the trains leap-frog over eachother, which probably makes the latency twice as large 18:08:12 <energetic> ah 18:08:18 <energetic> awesome 18:08:20 <SpComb> but that can be solved with one-way YAPP signals) 18:08:57 <energetic> okay 18:09:21 <energetic> is it reasonable to say that yapp will be included in the near future in the main branch? 18:09:59 <Eddi|zuHause3> let's say it's not going to not get included :p 18:10:08 <SpComb> hopefully not entirely impossible, although I haven't actually heard anything indicating that 18:10:09 <energetic> why not? 18:10:14 <SpComb> well, now I have 18:10:38 <energetic> same argument as ACE? 18:10:45 <energetic> --> makes playing too easy? 18:10:51 <Eddi|zuHause3> you have miscounted the "not"s ;) 18:11:16 <energetic> ghhe 18:11:28 <smithj> Can someone check my "attempt" at graphics? 18:11:32 <energetic> sure 18:11:35 <smithj> I am trying to create the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_Rail_New_Measurement_Train 18:12:18 <energetic> yes, read it...? 18:12:35 <energetic> u wanna introduce rail mainteneance in openttd? 18:12:41 <smithj> here is my 1st attempt, clone of the openttd 125: http://77.97.50.77/trg1r.bmp 18:13:00 <smithj> no, i only want to create the train, for aesthetic purposes 18:13:10 <energetic> ah k 18:13:33 *** Osai`off is now known as Osai 18:13:35 <smithj> but my coding and drawing skills are how shall we say, primitive :) 18:13:37 <energetic> loading photoshop, takes some time, no 16x SSD in RAID 0 yet... 18:14:21 <energetic> looks promising 18:14:22 <Prof_Frink> smithj: Suggestion: Use .png for putting stuff on the internets 18:14:23 <energetic> though 18:14:32 <energetic> internets? 18:14:37 <energetic> I thought it was called 18:14:41 <energetic> Interwebz 18:14:49 <smithj> the intertubes wasnt it? ;) 18:14:55 <energetic> :) 18:15:16 <energetic> you created the whole train or only the head? 18:15:29 *** McHawk [~hawk@p5489DF2A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:15:30 <energetic> since I think it is a special long trains 18:15:35 <smithj> I ripped off the IC125 and coloured it 18:15:43 <energetic> basically a loc with about 8 sections 18:15:53 <smithj> first I want to get the train made, then update it 18:16:05 <energetic> three power cars 18:16:10 <energetic> some tech cars 18:16:19 <Prof_Frink> http://xkcd.com/181/ 18:16:21 *** Mirrakor [~linuser@p57B2C50A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:16:48 <energetic> xkcd should make a comic of ridiculizing xkcd itself 18:17:03 <smithj> I am now working on NFO. I dont see any need to change much info. However, I dont want to replace the 125, i want to add a new vehicle 18:17:11 <smithj> so I need a new GRF ID 18:17:31 <SpComb> energetic: there's some potential for that 18:17:43 <hylje> parody strip 18:17:49 <energetic> since I am getting spammed with that stuff 18:18:12 <energetic> digg, slashdot, tweakers.net, TDW, all blogs, etc 18:18:24 <energetic> standard first post on blogposts 18:18:35 <Prof_Frink> It's Monroe's Law 18:18:41 <energetic> which gets modded up, cuz its funny ( a link to an xkcd) 18:18:54 <Prof_Frink> All geeky conversations will eventually refer to xkcd 18:19:02 <energetic> :P 18:19:19 <energetic> What about a login required for openttd servers 18:19:43 <energetic> so its easiers to block out ppl we dont want on the servers 18:19:57 <energetic> A standard login implementation might not be a bad idea 18:20:03 <energetic> i mean... 18:20:19 <energetic> kurt, openttdcoop, and some more servers all require it already 18:20:32 <energetic> more ansd more servers are using it 18:21:36 <SpComb> energetic: centralized authentication has been discussed already as well 18:21:46 <SpComb> can't remember what the conclusion of that discussion was 18:22:06 <SpComb> probably something along the lines of it not really making anon vandals go away 18:22:54 <energetic> will work on ACE now 18:23:10 <energetic> hopefully it gets implemnted somehwere in .8 18:28:00 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.230.1] has quit [Quit: ecke] 18:35:35 <smithj> I have a GRF, but openttd cant see it 18:36:05 <smithj> I tried to refresh the list, but it doesnt show 18:37:39 <smithj> GRF HERE: http://77.97.50.77/flyingbanana.grf 18:49:30 <KingJ> Any reasons why train replacement wouldn't be working? 18:49:41 <KingJ> They go into the depot and just come back out again, no change 18:49:49 <KingJ> Got plenty of money, set it to replace etc 18:50:36 <tneo> heya when compiling (openSUSE 11, gnome) I get WARNING: no video driver found, building dedicated only 18:50:43 <tneo> what do I do to fix that? 18:51:15 <Eddi|zuHause3> tneo: install sdl-devel 18:52:16 <tneo> oke Eddi|zuHause3 compiling again :) 18:52:52 <Eddi|zuHause3> and if that doesn't qualify as an FAQ, i don't know what does ;) 18:53:13 <tneo> I was in the ignorance that I had that installed already :-( 18:53:31 <Eddi|zuHause3> sdl != sdl-devel 18:53:41 <tneo> do you know what I need for libtimitdy as well ? 18:54:01 <Eddi|zuHause3> no idea 18:54:07 <Eddi|zuHause3> i never play with music 18:54:56 <Eddi|zuHause3> i believe it is working here, but i have no idea what i did to enable that 18:55:25 <tneo> well thanks, now it works again :) 18:55:54 <KingJ> Any ideas on the replacement? 18:56:11 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:56:26 <Eddi|zuHause3> KingJ: try to stop a train in the depot, and hit the replace button there 18:57:13 <KingJ> Nothing happens 18:57:26 <KingJ> No error, no change, nothing 18:57:42 *** TiberiusTeng [~Tiberius@sbt.idv.tw] has joined #openttd 18:58:38 <Eddi|zuHause3> what kind of replacement did you enable? 18:58:49 <KingJ> Engines 18:59:00 <Eddi|zuHause3> from what to what? 18:59:27 <KingJ> Using the UK Renewal Train GRFs,from HST/Eurostar to Pendilino 18:59:31 <KingJ> Electric rails are disabled 19:00:08 <Eddi|zuHause3> using several connected EMUs? 19:00:32 <KingJ> No, just the standard 1 engine (well, the GRFs show top and tail) 19:00:47 <KingJ> and enough carriges so that it shows as 10 long in the depot 19:01:57 <Eddi|zuHause3> using vehicle groups? 19:02:28 <KingJ> Yes, but I just assigned it to All 19:03:30 <Eddi|zuHause3> well, it could theoretically be failing because of the disable elrail switch, but i'm not in the position to check that 19:06:03 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d00aacc.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 19:06:42 <KingJ> I just made a new train, no carriges and replaced it fine 19:07:26 <KingJ> Added some carridges, tried another replacement. Works too 19:07:36 <KingJ> So why this replacement isn't working with the main trains, I don't know 19:09:27 <Eddi|zuHause3> then it's probably related to the groups 19:10:03 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.230.1] has joined #openttd 19:10:25 <KingJ> And just made a new train of the exact type i'm replacing, and that replaced 19:10:32 <KingJ> All the ones in the groups are clones 19:13:07 <KingJ> how do you think it could be solved? 19:13:17 <Eddi|zuHause3> groups have a button "exclude this group from replacing" 19:13:40 <KingJ> Yeah, it dosen't have the shield icon visible 19:14:38 <Eddi|zuHause3> what happens if you remove the train from the group and then replace it? 19:14:54 <KingJ> Lets see 19:16:20 <KingJ> Same effect 19:16:37 *** lauanana [~lauanana@ANantes-257-1-35-57.w90-25.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 19:17:22 <Eddi|zuHause3> then i can't help you anymore 19:17:28 *** lauanana [~lauanana@ANantes-257-1-35-57.w90-25.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [autokilled: Undesired bot. Mail support@oftc.net with questions (2008-07-06 19:17:27)] 19:18:56 <smithj> I think the flying banana has a problem with the GRFID 19:19:05 <smithj> has anyone got it to work? 19:19:22 <KingJ> Hmm, thanks anyway 19:26:41 <ccfreak2k> TiberiusTeng, you around? 19:26:56 <TiberiusTeng> here yes 19:27:37 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 19:30:18 <Wolf01> 'night 19:30:23 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host126-174-dynamic.60-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 19:31:15 <ccfreak2k> TiberiusTeng, some fixes need to be made for the opengl patch. 19:31:44 <TiberiusTeng> yes? 19:31:53 *** Purno [~Purno@5350931D.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:32:23 <ccfreak2k> First, 19:32:38 <ccfreak2k> I'm missing SDL_CALL for SDL_GL_* functions in my sdlgl driver. 19:32:43 <ccfreak2k> In the initializing part. 19:32:47 <ccfreak2k> Second, 19:32:48 <ccfreak2k> <glx> btw configure source.list is 'incorrect', it shouldn't compile GLee when opengl is disabled 19:32:48 <ccfreak2k> <glx> same for blitters/opengl 19:32:48 <ccfreak2k> <glx> or video/*gl 19:33:10 *** peens [~peens@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 19:33:14 <TiberiusTeng> ahh, OK 19:33:24 <ccfreak2k> Third, glx made some changes to sdlgl (in addition to the bugfix) that allows it to work in Windows, although it's slow. :) 19:33:31 <ccfreak2k> I have the diff. 19:33:50 <TiberiusTeng> that 19:33:54 <TiberiusTeng> that's great! 19:34:07 <TiberiusTeng> I'll fix source.list here 19:34:56 *** valhalla1w is now known as valhallasw 19:34:56 *** peens [~peens@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Killed (weasel (grow up, will you))] 19:35:28 <ccfreak2k> http://ccfreak2k.loliserv.org/opengl_r13671_mingw.diff 19:35:48 <ccfreak2k> It includes your dif, so apply this to a fresh checkout and diff against your current patch to see what changed. 19:36:24 <TiberiusTeng> got it 19:37:38 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@86.89.201.189] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 19:38:55 <TiberiusTeng> is it including the SDL_CALL stuff you mentioned ? 19:40:48 *** Osai is now known as Osai`off 19:41:26 <glx> yes 19:41:46 <TiberiusTeng> OK, I'm checking the diff ... 19:41:49 <ccfreak2k> Yes, it does. 19:42:53 *** smithj [~smithj@77-97-50-77.cable.ubr03.cast.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [] 19:45:00 <TiberiusTeng> how do I modify the source.list so that it do conditional compiling ? 19:45:12 <TiberiusTeng> I don't quite know where those variables #if used comes ... 19:46:00 <glx> they are parsed in configure 19:46:22 <glx> and in projects/generate* 19:46:27 <TiberiusTeng> got it 19:48:37 <ccfreak2k> if [ $WITH_OPENGL -eq 1 ] then; WITH_WINGL32=1; fi 19:48:49 <ccfreak2k> Or something like that. 19:48:55 <energetic> funny 19:49:07 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@g226128063.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 19:49:28 *** energetic [~chatzilla@ip82-139-116-235.lijbrandt.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:53:51 *** Zahl__ [~Zahl@e180245009.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 19:55:27 *** Zahl [~Zahl@f051109126.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:55:27 *** Zahl__ is now known as Zahl 19:57:11 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@g226128063.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:59:01 *** Osai`off is now known as Osai 20:01:06 <TiberiusTeng> ok, I've finished modifying the code, will publish the new diff later :) 20:05:58 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 20:12:52 *** Cyclonerotary [~pokerking@host86-139-255-56.range86-139.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 20:13:03 <TiberiusTeng> I've updated the patch in the thread. 20:14:18 <ccfreak2k> VisualStudio users like myself will need to do some SDL dickery to compile sdlgl support in a win32 binary. 20:15:30 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:16:19 <De_Ghosty> a patch that does? 20:16:32 <ccfreak2k> Adds an opengl blitter. 20:16:53 <ccfreak2k> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=38151&start=0&st=0&sk=t&sd=a 20:17:59 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 20:19:08 <TiberiusTeng> actually I'm also a Visual Studio user ... but I haven't compiled SDL part myself. 20:19:28 <TiberiusTeng> ccfreak2k, you can try edit projects/*.vcproj.in 20:19:47 <TiberiusTeng> they are templates used to generate actual project files ... 20:19:53 *** ben_goodger_ [~ben@host217-44-86-192.range217-44.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 20:23:25 <ccfreak2k> TiberiusTeng, it was a matter of getting the SDL project files and adding them or something. 20:23:28 <ccfreak2k> I forgot what it took. 20:24:17 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host217-44-86-192.range217-44.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:26:13 *** ben_goodger_ is now known as ben_goodger 20:26:14 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host217-44-86-192.range217-44.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:26:35 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host217-44-86-192.range217-44.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 20:27:43 <glx> ccfreak2k: you just need sdl headers and add WITH_SDL in preprocessor defines 20:34:22 *** Mirrakor [~linuser@p57B2C50A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:34:57 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:36:59 *** Osai is now known as Osai`off 20:42:02 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:53:47 *** Chrill [~chrischri@c80-216-64-31.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 20:55:11 *** mikl [~mikl@x1-6-00-14-bf-cc-78-b6.k706.webspeed.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 20:57:38 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 20:58:01 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B81535.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:59:46 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B8381E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 20:59:49 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 21:02:58 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 21:04:42 *** curson [~curzon@p1087-ipbf214funabasi.chiba.ocn.ne.jp] has joined #openttd 21:08:47 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@86.89.201.189] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 21:09:14 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d00aacc.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:11:32 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:14:45 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F57BFF.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 21:14:58 *** mikl [~mikl@x1-6-00-14-bf-cc-78-b6.k706.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 21:15:29 *** mikl [~mikl@x1-6-00-14-bf-cc-78-b6.k706.webspeed.dk] has quit [] 21:17:02 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 21:26:32 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:27:29 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 21:30:59 *** Chrill [~chrischri@c80-216-64-31.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [] 21:34:51 *** Osai`off is now known as Osai 21:43:00 *** Chrill [~chrischri@c80-216-64-31.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 21:43:32 <ccfreak2k> TiberiusTeng, does enabling opengl require enabling SDL? 21:43:42 <TiberiusTeng> no 21:43:59 <TiberiusTeng> both --with-win32gl and --with-sdlgl implies OpenGL 21:44:15 <ccfreak2k> sdlgl requires SDL tho. 21:44:17 <ccfreak2k> As well. 21:46:22 *** Osai is now known as Osai^zZz 21:46:29 <TiberiusTeng> if [ -n "$sdl_config" ] && [ "$with_sdlgl" = "1" ]; then 21:46:36 <TiberiusTeng> something like this ... hmm 21:50:22 *** adriano1991 [~adriano19@89.42.167.42] has joined #openttd 21:51:23 <adriano1991> hi all 21:51:45 <adriano1991> y have server 21:52:28 <adriano1991> server off = lost password all company 21:52:42 <adriano1991> what is problem???? 21:53:08 *** adriano1991 [~adriano19@89.42.167.42] has quit [] 21:53:19 <Eddi|zuHause3> yes. certainly. 21:54:37 *** Mirrakor [~linuser@p57B2C50A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:04:25 *** Mchl [~mchl@abfc108.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:05:00 *** elmex [~elmex@e180064255.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:05:01 *** Mchl [~mchl@abev110.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 22:06:54 *** planetmaker is now known as pm|away 22:11:42 *** pm|away is now known as planetmaker 22:12:08 *** DjIdee [~djidee@djidee.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 22:19:19 *** Mchl [~mchl@abev110.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Quit: night] 22:20:51 <DjIdee> hi guys! I started playing OpenTTD again (0.6.1) and was busy building stations. In my memories there was an option that when you build a station near an other already existing one (not directly connected, but within range of 7-8 tiles) and at the same time press a button, you get a list of nearby stations to which the new platform should belong.. Anyone knows the key to press for it?? (or was it only a nightlies feature (forgot what previous version i ha 22:21:40 <Eddi|zuHause3> DjIdee: that was never an official feature 22:21:49 <DjIdee> ah, that would explain a lot 22:21:52 <Eddi|zuHause3> you have faint memories of the miniin i assume ;) 22:22:20 <DjIdee> and would explain why i can't find anything about it on tt-forums/google/wiki etc (spent two hours searching now) 22:22:31 <DjIdee> miniin, yeah, used those indeed :) 22:22:43 <Eddi|zuHause3> it's around somewhere, called "distant-join-stations patch" or something 22:22:53 <DjIdee> hmm 22:23:02 <DjIdee> neh, not going to add, quite stable now :) 22:23:09 *** bumblebee [~nnscript@ti0117a380-0049.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 22:23:14 <DjIdee> going for the old busstationtrick then :) 22:23:30 <DjIdee> to bad for the city (will cost some houses etc :) ) 22:23:42 <DjIdee> thanx Eddi|zuHause3 22:23:43 <Eddi|zuHause3> you can build busstops on roads 22:24:04 <DjIdee> ah,sure :) 22:24:23 <DjIdee> good, got a workaround now :) 22:27:37 <joachim> it's in the russian pack 22:27:47 <joachim> wups 22:27:57 <joachim> wasn't scrolled down 22:28:14 <DjIdee> hehe 22:28:22 <DjIdee> found the patch topic now also 22:28:22 <DjIdee> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=30960 22:28:34 <DjIdee> when you know where to search for :) 22:32:35 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:33:51 *** bumblebee [~nnscript@ti0117a380-0049.bb.online.no] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.2 :: www.regroup-esports.com )] 22:34:58 *** curson [~curzon@p1087-ipbf214funabasi.chiba.ocn.ne.jp] has quit [Quit: If everything seems to be going well, you have obviously overlooked something.] 22:41:46 *** Osai^zZz is now known as Osai^zZz`off 22:47:34 *** Zahl [~Zahl@e180245009.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: (~_~]"] 22:51:54 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-139-9.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:53:47 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C977.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:58:25 *** Sanity [~sanity@olof-herngren.narkotikapolisen.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:59:01 *** DjIdee [~djidee@djidee.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:06:42 <Sacro> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZaxC02W95w <- mmmmmm 23:12:00 <Cyclonerotary> why though? 23:12:11 <Cyclonerotary> wouldnt a view out the window be better Sacro? 23:12:21 <Sacro> Cyclonerotary: just the noise 23:13:28 <Cyclonerotary> ah 23:13:35 <Cyclonerotary> doesnt sound as nice as a deltic! 23:15:15 <Sacro> that's the point :p 23:15:25 <Cyclonerotary> oh 23:15:30 <Cyclonerotary> so thats a bad noise? 23:15:37 <Cyclonerotary> in that vid 23:15:42 <Sacro> well 23:15:47 <Sacro> they all sound shabby 23:15:54 <Sacro> but that one i think has leprosy or somethign 23:16:55 <Cyclonerotary> the groanin? 23:17:02 <Cyclonerotary> cus the engine sounds dead sweet 23:18:02 <Sacro> heh 23:19:24 *** GoneWacko [GoneWacko@86-60-147-155-dyn-dsl.ssp.fi] has quit [] 23:34:27 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-111-36.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [Quit: Zzz]