Times are UTC Toggle Colours
00:04:26 *** KillaloT [~killalot@0x5738ccdb.rdnqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- 100,000+ downloads can't be wrong] 00:08:57 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:16:09 <Belugas> [18:26] <Eddi|zuHause3> i vote for removing the "build vehicle" button instead of greying it out <- not a bad iread, actually :) 00:16:11 <Belugas> idea 00:17:11 *** fmauNekAway is now known as fmauNeko 00:17:25 <Eddi|zuHause3> i think the reason for not removing it back then was that the GUI code was not dynamic enough to handle that 00:17:47 <Eddi|zuHause3> i hope that has changed meanwhile ;) 00:32:10 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B752B0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:33:48 *** Eddi|zuHause4 [~johekr@p54B7765B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:38:36 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B74E90.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:40:16 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B752B0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:58:08 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-26-82-230.nrth.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 01:03:06 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-363c71d5.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:08:10 <Belugas> i guess so 01:08:16 <Belugas> i'll check it out 01:27:59 *** fmauNeko is now known as fmauNekAway 01:43:05 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-111-36.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [Quit: Caught sigterm, terminating...] 02:03:27 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 02:05:39 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: Night All.] 02:12:41 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm188.epsilon122.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 02:44:17 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: belugas * r13696 /trunk/src/build_vehicle_gui.cpp: 02:44:17 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: -Fix[GUI]: The Build button of the vehicle list is now hidden, instead of just disabled. It will be only visible when called from the Depot Building Window. 02:44:17 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: Less confusion, hopefully. Suggested by Eddi. 02:55:37 * Belugas goes practicing slide guitar now... 02:56:42 *** mikl [~mikl@x1-6-00-14-bf-cc-78-b6.k706.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 03:02:26 *** elmex_ [~elmex@e180064056.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 03:04:42 *** fjb [~frank@p5485ECCA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:07:17 *** elmex [~elmex@e180065214.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:07:46 *** elmex_ is now known as elmex 03:13:30 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm188.epsilon122.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:15:07 *** NamedNubcake [~chatzilla@124.149.62.20] has joined #openttd 03:15:43 *** NamedNubcake is now known as UltraNoob 03:16:19 <UltraNoob> can a main line be L_L_~_R_R?? 03:23:38 <UltraNoob> hello?? 03:28:35 <ccfreak2k> h 03:28:36 <ccfreak2k> what. 03:29:50 *** Cap_J_L_Picard [~ewanm89@s15236362.onlinehome-server.info] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:00:16 *** UltraNoob [~chatzilla@124.149.62.20] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0/2008052906]] 04:20:06 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has quit [Quit: ecke] 04:24:32 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host217-44-86-192.range217-44.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:24:58 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host217-44-86-192.range217-44.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 04:49:24 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has joined #openttd 04:57:53 *** k-man [~jason@ppp121-44-24-253.lns10.syd7.internode.on.net] has joined #openttd 04:57:58 <k-man> hello 04:58:16 <k-man> how can i get trains out of a busy station more efficiently? 05:05:34 *** De_Ghost [~s@CPE001d7e66291b-CM0011aec4b06a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:09:33 *** grumbel [~grumbel@i577B9582.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 05:10:08 *** De_Ghost [~s@CPE001d7e66291b-CM0011aec4b06a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #openttd 05:18:09 *** De_Ghost [~s@CPE001d7e66291b-CM0011aec4b06a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:20:24 *** De_Ghost [~s@CPE001d7e66291b-CM0011aec4b06a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #openttd 05:23:48 *** de_ghosty [~s@CPE001d7e66291b-CM0011aec4b06a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #openttd 05:28:29 *** De_Ghost [~s@CPE001d7e66291b-CM0011aec4b06a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:31:49 *** de_ghosty [~s@CPE001d7e66291b-CM0011aec4b06a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:33:39 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-88-79.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Quit: a1270] 05:36:24 *** |404NotFound| [~osiris@122-49-151-202.ip.adam.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:36:36 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-88-79.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 05:45:56 *** De_Ghost [~s@CPE001d7e66291b-CM0011aec4b06a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #openttd 05:52:37 *** de_ghosty [~s@CPE001d7e66291b-CM0011aec4b06a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #openttd 05:58:07 *** De_Ghost [~s@CPE001d7e66291b-CM0011aec4b06a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:00:28 *** bleepy [bleepy@5adad4a8.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 06:16:42 <Celestar> how do these conditional order jumps work? 06:24:28 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has quit [Quit: ecke] 06:30:10 <Ammler> good morning :-) 06:30:13 <Ammler> src/economy.cpp:1329: Money DeliverGoods(int, unsigned ch 06:30:13 <Ammler> nsigned char): Assertion `num_pieces > 0' failed. 06:31:48 <Ammler> Celestar: you can jump to a specific order (skip orders) due the condition you set. 06:32:37 <Ammler> like "go to drop station if you are full, else go to station x to load more." 06:43:59 *** nfc [nfc@dsl-hkibrasgw2-fe4dde00-190.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Quit: leaving] 07:04:11 <Celestar> hey Ammler 07:05:48 <Ammler> heya Celestar :-) 07:06:23 <Ammler> (the assert isn't from trunk, it is from #wwottdgd) 07:11:18 <Celestar> meh 07:11:28 <Celestar> setting up realistic train servicing is difficult 07:12:18 <ccfreak2k> Yes, that's how "realistic" things tend to work. :) 07:14:28 <Celestar> he I made it 07:17:34 <Celestar> http://www.fvfischer.de/realservice.png 07:17:36 <Celestar> there :D 07:18:59 <hylje> fancy network you got there 07:19:08 <ccfreak2k> Is that your pickup line? 07:19:21 <hylje> why yes 07:20:28 <ccfreak2k> Why don't you just have it say "jump to 5" and end it there? 07:20:53 <Celestar> ccfreak2k: what do you mean? 07:21:11 <Celestar> ccfreak2k: well right 07:21:15 <Celestar> that would simplyfy it :) 07:21:18 <Celestar> simplify* 07:21:27 <ccfreak2k> It goes "Go to Witfingfield, go to 1, go to Witfingfield". 07:21:31 <ccfreak2k> Why bother having those last two? 07:22:01 <hylje> to be extra fancy 07:23:07 <Celestar> because it's not yet optimized :D 07:23:47 <Ammler> how is "service" triggered? 07:24:06 <Ammler> you could also use realibility 07:25:05 <Ammler> I assume service does "just" count days, so that would be more "realistic" :-P 07:25:38 <Celestar> yeah I could 07:26:03 <Celestar> but normally companies have regular service intervals, and don't drive the train until it breaks down every other hour :P 07:26:44 <Celestar> and then hope it limps to the depot somehow :P 07:26:59 <Ammler> that is how service works 07:27:28 <Celestar> what is how service works? 07:27:50 <Ammler> "go to depot every 180 days" 07:27:57 <Celestar> yeah 07:28:21 <Ammler> but ususally you co also to depot if you have broken breaks after 30 days. 07:28:36 <Ammler> lol "co" 07:29:38 <Ammler> and that is how realibility works, it shows you, if something randomly broken. 07:30:28 <Ammler> maybe you can use both :-) 07:31:04 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-363c71d5.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 07:31:13 <Ammler> (goto depot if service or realibiltiy < 60%) 07:36:22 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80061.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:38:23 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B832F6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 07:38:26 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 07:54:04 <de_ghosty> i had a train break down on me in gb 07:54:12 <de_ghosty> we lost an engin lol 07:54:41 <Celestar> well trains DO break down 07:55:28 <hylje> usually pretty rarely, but when it happens stuff is fucked up 08:01:55 *** einKarl [~einKarl@91-65-196-232-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 08:16:38 *** mikl [~mikl@x1-6-00-14-bf-cc-78-b6.k706.webspeed.dk] has quit [Quit: mikl] 08:16:56 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g229223037.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 08:23:42 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host232-229-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 08:23:49 <Wolf01> hello 08:24:00 *** Davelister [~comrade@43.135.202-77.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Quit: brb] 08:31:52 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 08:35:52 *** fmauNekAway is now known as fmauNeko 08:50:43 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 09:14:56 *** Roujin [~Roujin@p549731C9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 09:29:19 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-111-36.fttx.bbned.nl] has joined #openttd 09:30:54 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@g229223037.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 09:30:54 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g229223037.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:30:55 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 09:35:59 *** Mchl [~mchl@abei57.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 09:36:22 <Mchl> hello 09:37:21 <Celestar> \o 09:41:02 <dih> / 09:41:12 <dih> /\ 09:41:31 <dih> TAXI ? 09:42:25 <Celestar> lol 09:46:18 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CCD4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:52:43 <Celestar> :o there is an opengl blitter? 09:52:59 <Celestar> I mean a diff :) 09:54:49 <peter1138> Two. 09:54:56 <peter1138> My one and this other one. 09:55:01 <Eddi|zuHause4> yes, by TiberiusTeng or something 09:57:41 <ln> and a third one by phaser, last updated in 2003. 09:58:20 <peter1138> Technically that wouldn't be using the blitter system... 10:14:20 <Rexxie> does the GPU actually handle blitters in OTTD? (this coming from an uneducated person.. :p) 10:19:55 <peter1138> Wrong way around. 10:20:16 <peter1138> The blitter talks to the GPU (usually via layers such as SDL or GDI, though) 10:34:07 *** Roujin [~Roujin@p549731C9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Want to be different? Try HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-] 10:36:34 <Rexxie> makes sense :) 10:37:04 <Rexxie> is there a reason why signals on bridges/in tunnels is now supported? and patches are discontinued? 10:40:58 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:42:38 *** Belugas_Gone [~belugas@216.191.111.226] has joined #openttd 10:42:41 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas_Gone] by ChanServ 10:47:14 <peter1138> Huh? 10:53:01 <Eddi|zuHause4> i didn't understand the question either 10:55:15 *** Roujin [~Roujin@p549731C9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 10:55:36 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@user-54418bdb.lns1-c7.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 10:57:09 *** Mirrakor [~linuser@p57B2E1FE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:05:13 <Rexxie> wow, I must still be asleep 11:05:50 <Rexxie> *is there a reason why signals on bridges/in tunnels is not possible? and the patches that tried to implement this functionality are discontinued? 11:07:07 <Eddi|zuHause4> are you referring to a specific patch? 11:07:40 <Eddi|zuHause4> i am fairly certain this feature is still under development 11:07:59 <Eddi|zuHause4> but it's a very difficult feature 11:11:01 <Ammler> Rexxie: do you mean that: http://devs.openttd.org/~smatz/3d/tunnel2.png :-) 11:11:19 <Rexxie> wow 11:11:29 <eekee> ooh!!! 11:11:37 <Rexxie> that looks mad impressive 11:11:41 * eekee would be really really happy with that ^^ 11:11:56 <Ammler> :-D 11:12:07 <Eddi|zuHause4> i wouldn't expect that feature to hit trunk in the next year :p 11:12:18 <eekee> a shame :) 11:12:25 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-26-82-230.nrth.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 11:15:41 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B832F6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:17:33 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B8242E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 11:17:35 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 11:28:54 *** Doorslammer|BRSet [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-229-213.prem.tmns.net.au] has joined #openttd 11:42:27 *** Tiberius_ [~Tiberius@sbt.idv.tw] has joined #openttd 11:44:59 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590c7909.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 11:46:12 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 11:46:15 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 11:46:16 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B8242E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:48:05 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B822DA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 11:48:08 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 11:48:46 *** Tiberius_ is now known as TiberiusTeng 11:52:55 *** Tiberius_ [Tiberius@125-230-65-172.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #openttd 11:59:22 *** TiberiusTeng [~Tiberius@sbt.idv.tw] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:21:27 *** Mirrakor [~linuser@p57B2E1FE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:30:27 *** curson [~curzon@79-69-126-217.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 12:32:02 *** mikl [~mikl@0304ds2-ba.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 12:36:38 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@g229223037.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 12:36:38 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g229223037.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:36:38 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 12:41:42 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F55A64.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 13:10:03 *** Davelister [~comrade@43.135.202-77.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #openttd 13:22:32 *** Roujin [~Roujin@p549731C9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Nine out of ten l33t h4x0rz prefer it] 13:23:56 <Rexxie> what are the main factors that make a town grow? 13:26:55 <Doorslammer|BRSet> Sex 13:27:08 <Doorslammer|BRSet> And concrete 13:27:20 <Doorslammer|BRSet> Not mutually together of course 13:27:25 <Doorslammer|BRSet> Thats just wrong 13:28:24 * Doorslammer|BRSet imagines the day when Sex is put into ECS 13:29:20 <Rexxie> lol 13:29:48 <SpComb> I guess OpenTTD's demographic model doesn't go down to that level of detail, though 13:30:58 <Doorslammer|BRSet> Thankfully 13:32:36 <Rexxie> Go to RexxCity Docks (Full load Sex) 13:32:38 <Rexxie> Go to RexxCity Central (Transfer and leave empty) 13:33:40 <Rexxie> I wonder how the transfer rate on sex would be... squares/days 13:33:41 <frosch123> You can already drive a vehicle into a depot and press 'clone'. 13:33:49 <Rexxie> frosch123: LOL 13:34:30 <Doorslammer|BRSet> :O 13:34:37 <Eddi|zuHause4> "mommy, mommy, where do the little vehicles come from?" 13:34:44 * frosch123 thinks of the amount of vehicles a depot can handle at once. 13:34:49 <Doorslammer|BRSet> Ask your Hereford, dear 13:42:57 <Doorslammer|BRSet> Butterbridge Vaseline Refinery (Production: 1.643 boxes of goods/month) 13:49:55 <Eddi|zuHause4> "neutrally packaged boxes" 13:51:44 <Doorslammer|BRSet> Wellpool Brothel increases production by 23%! 13:51:54 <Doorslammer|BRSet> etc. 13:52:30 <Doorslammer|BRSet> But the big question remains... 13:52:40 <Doorslammer|BRSet> How do you transport Sex? 13:52:45 <Doorslammer|BRSet> Tanker? 13:52:49 <Doorslammer|BRSet> Livestock wagon? 13:52:53 <Doorslammer|BRSet> :S 13:59:00 <ln> what is the PEGI rating for OpenTTD? 13:59:11 <Sacro> it does have crashes... 13:59:39 <Sacro> but the PEGI rating doesn't apply here 14:00:06 *** mucht_home is now known as Mucht 14:02:50 <ln> 7+: "Does the game contain: Depictions of implied violence to humans where the actual violence (death or injury) is not shown" 14:03:04 <ln> "This is where you do not actually see any violence to humans but it is obvious what is happening. It covers such matters as the bombing of a city where you know civilians are killed and injured, blowing up a tank or shooting down a plane where you know the crew are killed, smashing into cars or other vehicles where the driver/passenger must be injured." 14:06:29 <Eddi|zuHause4> you honestly want to put a 6 year old child in front of TTD? 14:06:57 <Eddi|zuHause4> the complexity of the game far outweighs the amount of "violence" shown :p 14:07:04 <Sacro> ln: yes, it has that 14:07:10 <Sacro> 83 dead in collision 14:08:25 <ln> Sacro: yeah, and the 100% mortality in accidents. 14:08:32 <Sacro> yes, that is harsh 14:09:47 <Rubidium> don't forget the gambling 14:09:58 <Rubidium> (when you bribe a town) 14:10:26 *** dlunch [~dlunch@61.108.29.49] has joined #openttd 14:14:20 *** fmauNeko is now known as fmauNekAway 14:18:10 <ln> a requirement for 12+ is: "The game must actually teach the player how to gamble or bet and/or encourage the player to want to gamble or bet for money in real life. For example this will include games that teach the player how to play card games that are usually played for money or how to play the odds in horse racing." 14:18:10 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g229223037.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:18:13 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g227033159.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 14:23:48 <Rubidium> it all depends on how you interpret the guidelines; you could even give OTTD a 18+ 14:25:24 <Eddi|zuHause4> yeah, if LV4 in the uncensored version is loaded :p 14:26:23 <hylje> 30+ 14:41:52 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 14:44:53 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has joined #openttd 14:48:00 *** svippy [~svip@0x50a5b150.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 14:48:00 *** svippery [~svip@0x50a5b150.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:57:13 *** Volley [~worf@85-127-151-68.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #openttd 14:57:23 *** Pikita [~sam@89.243.243.171] has joined #openttd 14:57:41 <Pikita> I DEMAND! DIAGONAL ROADS! 14:57:47 <Pikita> :P 14:57:54 <hylje> NewRoads! 14:57:55 <Ammler> wÀh 14:58:15 <Pikita> Diagonal Roads 14:58:21 <Pikita> to make better road junctions! 14:58:23 <Pikita> FTW! 14:58:46 * Pikita pokes Ammler 14:58:56 <hylje> how about also one-lane one-way roads and stuff?! 14:59:07 <Ammler> :-) 14:59:15 <Pikita> yea! 14:59:30 <Ammler> current railtraffic is more like roadtraffic in rw 14:59:44 <Pikita> I want to make an entire road network 14:59:47 <Pikita> but the roads suck atm 14:59:50 <Pikita> so you cant 14:59:53 <Ammler> at least what we build it at coop 15:00:19 <Pikita> Ammler with new roads we should do a network only using roads haha 15:02:00 <hylje> roads just need a great pathfinder (that doesn't particularly care about single vehicles) 15:02:09 <hylje> and magically more bits for map array 15:02:31 <Pikita> and traffic lights 15:02:31 <Wolf01> without increasing savegame size 15:02:39 <Pikita> and ummm 15:03:14 <hylje> the problem with road vehicles is mostly that there'll be a lot of them 15:03:18 <hylje> (vs. trains) 15:03:30 <Pikita> road vehicles re fun though 15:03:41 <Pikita> especially if you made a great road network 15:04:09 <Pikita> now doe anyone have a save game copy of the Mega Rail Scenario from TTD 15:04:29 <Wolf01> I want a fully working daylength without bugs 15:04:33 <hylje> it'd be even more fun given private (town-generated) traffic :-) 15:04:41 <hylje> and simulated people 15:05:11 <Pikita> that would be coool 15:05:18 <Pikita> getting cars using your roads 15:05:23 <hylje> (then we'd have a strange amalgation of ttd and simcity) 15:05:32 <Pikita> and you could set up toll booths on your roads 15:05:35 <Pikita> to get more income :) 15:06:00 <Pikita> and it would create traffic meaning road vehicles would be slowd 15:06:18 <Pikita> but then they would have to be made more cost effective to keep them as a viable option 15:06:57 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-141-76.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 15:07:41 <hylje> that'd also involve towns and other AI entities building a basic road network 15:08:05 <hylje> to be of any use 15:08:34 <hylje> because there'd be traffic from non-player entities 15:08:42 <hylje> players cant be expected to do it all 15:11:08 <Pikita> yea 15:11:17 <Pikita> but i think it would improve TTD alot 15:11:20 <Pikita> OTTD* 15:17:09 <Doorslammer|BRSet> Don't call us, we'll call you ;) 15:17:41 <Pikita> ... 15:21:07 *** ProfFrink [~proffrink@5ad9f9e7.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 15:25:31 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5ad9f9ef.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:25:31 *** ProfFrink is now known as Prof_Frink 15:28:51 *** Volley [~worf@85-127-151-68.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:03:27 <frosch123> hmm, why am I not married to Eva Hermann ? 16:05:07 *** \_c-coin [~comrade@43.135.202-77.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #openttd 16:05:40 <frosch123> She could iron my business shirts. 16:05:57 <Rubidium> isn't someone of 108 a little too old for you? 16:06:27 <frosch123> Hmm, then "Eva Hermann" is not a unique name. 16:07:05 <Forked> still 50 is also fairly old.. by internet standards ;) 16:07:12 <Forked> also.. 16:08:13 *** Doorslammer|BRSet [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-229-213.prem.tmns.net.au] has quit [] 16:09:17 *** Davelister [~comrade@43.135.202-77.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:10:23 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: frosch * r13697 /trunk/src/fileio.cpp: -Feature: Add some support for symbolic links in .tar files. 16:15:43 <hylje> reimplementing GNU tar? 16:17:09 <frosch123> You can put data files for OTTD in uncompressed .tar files. Very useful for 32bpp replacements with hundreds of .png files. 16:19:51 <SpComb> hylje: yes, doesn't look like the code uses any library 16:20:33 <frosch123> I doubt that there is any library available that does what we need. 16:21:01 <frosch123> I.e. find the offset and size of a certain file in a .tar file without extracting it. 16:27:13 <SpComb> the .tar format's a pretty silly format if no proper libraries exist for it 16:27:23 <SpComb> libtar looks somewhat ancient 16:27:48 <HMage> why not zip? 16:27:55 <HMage> it's used widely in games 16:28:06 <frosch123> "uncompressed" is the most important property here 16:28:14 <HMage> make an uncompressed zip :) 16:31:58 <frosch123> Hmm, where is the main artists' information for creating .tar files? There does not seem to be anything on the wiki nor in the sticky forum topics. 16:33:30 <Rubidium> does zip support symlinks? 16:34:22 <frosch123> zip is a dos format, I doubt that 16:35:37 <Wolf01> whoa "production at xxxxxx farm increases 100%!" 16:36:00 <Wolf01> from 9 items of livestock to 18 :| 16:37:04 *** Deathmaker [~Miranda@a89-183-15-160.net-htp.de] has joined #openttd 16:38:25 <Eddi|zuHause4> Wolf01: now imagine that going on for another 63 months :p 16:38:51 <SpComb> libtar does support just reading the headers 16:39:16 <Wolf01> now imagine if that farm is serviced only by livestock trains 16:40:25 <Wolf01> how much happy are the engineers to start the trains one day early 16:40:47 <Wolf01> 150 days and 149 days aren't so different 16:46:15 *** Mirrakor [~linuser@p57B2E1FE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:51:59 *** PinguTux [~PinguTux@pD9E9DCC7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:58:21 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has joined #openttd 17:01:42 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F55A64.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:03:50 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F55A64.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 17:14:27 *** Mirrakor [~linuser@p57B2E1FE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:27:21 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has quit [Quit: ecke] 17:40:43 *** petr [~petr@ip-89-102-33-172.karneval.cz] has joined #openttd 17:43:59 *** Phoenix_the_II [rdeboom@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 17:52:57 *** Volley [~worf@85-127-151-68.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #openttd 17:53:50 *** Phoenix_the_II [rdeboom@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:56:16 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host217-44-86-192.range217-44.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:07:19 <petr> hi everyone... I have a question. I've written a histogram/average speed accounting for openttd, and I'd like the histogram window to repaint periodically. How to do it? 18:07:22 <petr> Right now I just SetWindowDirty after each repaint, which more or less works, but is a terrible cpu hog. 18:08:34 <Eddi|zuHause4> petr: look for functions called OnTick* 18:09:24 <petr> Eddi|zuHause4: ok, thanks 18:09:38 <Eddi|zuHause4> petr: in openttd.cpp there should be a function that gets called every tick, and handles date changes and stuff 18:12:03 <frosch123> IIRC windows also have a 'OnTick' method 18:16:38 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host217-44-86-192.range217-44.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 18:22:01 <petr> oh yeah, windows do get WE_TICK event 18:22:09 <petr> cool, that will do the trick 18:24:02 <hylje> magic railroad tycoons 18:24:51 *** Mchl [~mchl@abei57.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [] 18:24:58 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F55A64.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 18:26:04 <petr> and interestingly enough it's not hogging the cpu as much even if I dirty the window on each tick ^o^ 18:30:08 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F55A64.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 18:31:52 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host217-44-86-192.range217-44.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:32:14 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host217-44-86-192.range217-44.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 18:50:42 *** Leif_ [~Zuu@c-363c71d5.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 18:53:02 *** bleepy [bleepy@5adad4a8.bb.sky.com] has quit [Quit: Annoy people at a funeral #14: Tell the widow that you have to leave early and ask if the will can be read before the funeral is over.] 18:54:51 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@p54B822DA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 18:55:01 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has joined #openttd 18:56:35 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-363c71d5.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:00:57 *** Leif_ is now known as Zuu 19:08:10 *** grumbel [~grumbel@i577B9582.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Client exiting] 19:15:01 *** bleepy [bleepy@5adad4a8.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 19:18:58 *** bleepy [bleepy@5adad4a8.bb.sky.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:19:33 *** bleepy [bleepy@5adad4a8.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 19:33:30 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has quit [Quit: ecke] 19:34:17 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host217-44-86-192.range217-44.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:35:58 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host217-44-86-192.range217-44.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 19:44:33 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: frosch * r13698 /trunk/src/fileio.cpp: -Fix (r13697): MorphOS compilation. 19:45:47 <frosch123> * (with support from tokai) 19:50:08 *** Deathmaker [~Miranda@a89-183-15-160.net-htp.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:05:02 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:08:01 *** fmauNekAway is now known as fmauNeko 20:13:59 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has joined #openttd 20:20:40 <kyevan> Man OpenTTD lags like hell in huge network games 20:20:56 <kyevan> (Though admittedly some of the fault is probably on the WWOTTDGD patches) 20:26:58 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@p54B822DA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: It's like, wah.] 20:37:40 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590c7909.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:39:44 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 20:43:34 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:44:11 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 20:45:35 *** Purno [~Purno@5350931D.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 20:49:15 *** Yexo_ [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 20:49:23 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:49:42 *** Yexo_ is now known as Yexo 20:56:25 <Wolf01> 'night 20:56:34 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host232-229-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 21:30:17 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:30:57 *** Mirrakor [~linuser@p57B2E1FE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:35:09 *** Yexo_ [~Yexo@dhcp-077-250-220-139.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 21:35:21 *** Yexo is now known as Guest517 21:35:22 *** Yexo_ is now known as Yexo 21:35:35 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 21:36:24 *** Yexo_ [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 21:36:27 *** Guest517 [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:36:30 *** Yexo is now known as Guest518 21:36:30 *** Yexo_ is now known as Yexo 21:43:42 *** Guest518 [~Yexo@dhcp-077-250-220-139.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:50:31 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has quit [Quit: ecke] 21:58:38 *** dlunch [~dlunch@61.108.29.49] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:59:29 *** Yexo_ [~Yexo@dhcp-077-250-220-139.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 21:59:33 *** Yexo is now known as Guest524 21:59:34 *** Yexo_ is now known as Yexo 22:00:17 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-363c71d5.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:01:07 *** Guest524 [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:01:21 *** Yexo_ [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 22:01:48 *** Yexo is now known as Guest525 22:01:48 *** Yexo_ is now known as Yexo 22:03:13 *** Tiberius_ [Tiberius@125-230-65-172.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:03:30 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has joined #openttd 22:08:12 *** Guest525 [~Yexo@dhcp-077-250-220-139.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:08:21 *** petr [~petr@ip-89-102-33-172.karneval.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:09:30 <ln> http://www.nbl.fi/~nbl3392/puuma/ 22:11:40 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:15:53 *** Volley [~worf@85-127-151-68.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:18:57 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has quit [Quit: ecke] 22:21:05 <SpComb> ln: puuma? 22:21:13 *** fmauNeko is now known as fmauNekAway 22:22:19 <ln> super puma 22:22:39 <SpComb> name of helicopter? 22:23:12 <ln> "The Eurocopter Super Puma (originally built by Aérospatiale) is a helicopter marketed for civil and military use." 22:23:50 *** fmauNekAway is now known as fmauNeko 22:24:51 *** PinguTux [~PinguTux@pD9E9DCC7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:26:19 <ln> anyway, the police closes the street every time that thing lands or takes off. 22:31:07 *** Mirrakor [~linuser@p57B2E1FE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:32:43 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-111-36.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [Quit: Caught sigterm, terminating...] 22:33:07 <ln> grÀnsbevakningsvÀsendet.... what a ridiculously long word. 22:35:03 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-111-36.fttx.bbned.nl] has joined #openttd 22:35:46 <Eddi|zuHause4> that's a long word? 22:36:49 <ln> no, but they must have chosen a helicopter model with long enough tail so the whole word fits on it. 22:37:25 *** einKarl [~einKarl@91-65-196-232-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:37:49 <Eddi|zuHause4> what does that even mean? something to do with border patrol? 22:38:27 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CCD4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:38:41 <ln> "[The Finnish] Border Guard" is what they seem to be using on their web page. 22:39:10 <ln> but the word is actually swedish. 22:39:24 <Eddi|zuHause4> yeah, i figured it is not finnish :p 22:39:37 <Eddi|zuHause4> it's too close to german :p 22:40:38 <ln> Rajavartiolaitos in finnish. 22:41:06 <Eddi|zuHause4> see, that is not even remotely understandable :p 22:41:40 <SpComb> 'tis 22:41:45 <SpComb> Raja - vartio - laitos 22:41:50 <Eddi|zuHause4> with the other word you see the close relationship to the german word "Grenze" 22:42:03 <Eddi|zuHause4> (meaning border) 22:42:08 <ln> yeah 22:43:01 *** Purno [~Purno@5350931D.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:43:08 <Eddi|zuHause4> SpComb: no, it's not 22:44:29 <Eddi|zuHause4> with a little good faith you also recognise the word "bewachung" [meaning guard] 22:44:54 <ln> the building on the background is a hospital 22:44:56 <Eddi|zuHause4> but i can't figure out what "vÀsendet" is supposed to mean 22:46:28 <Eddi|zuHause4> ln: yeah, i thought that from the beginning, if you didn't point out the word, i'd have thought it's a medical helicopter 22:47:01 <ln> strangely enough, vÀsende(t) means something like "being" [noun], "das Wesen", according to dictionary. 22:47:44 <Eddi|zuHause4> yeah, i thought so, too, but i couldn't fit the "det" in there 22:49:01 <ln> what they mean by it must be "border guarding organization/department/institution" 22:49:32 <Pikita> has anyone got an ottd convertion of MegaRail or West Country 90211 from TTD 22:49:42 <Eddi|zuHause4> it's not uncommon to end names of institutions in -wesen 22:49:58 *** GT [~GT@adsl-dc-4664d.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 22:50:05 <Eddi|zuHause4> but it's more like abstract institutions, like "Gesundheitswesen" 22:50:39 <Eddi|zuHause4> [meaning the whole institutional system of health insurance and hospitals, no specific institution] 23:01:12 *** GT [~GT@adsl-dc-4664d.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has left #openttd [Kopete 0.12.7 : http://kopete.kde.org] 23:02:03 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has joined #openttd 23:07:50 *** bleepy [bleepy@5adad4a8.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:20:06 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-141-76.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:24:18 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:27:53 *** |404NotFound| [~osiris@122-49-151-202.ip.adam.com.au] has joined #openttd 23:28:01 *** Klanticus [~Klanticus@189.35.184.72] has joined #openttd 23:28:40 *** |404NotFound| is now known as HaloMaster 23:32:02 *** GoneWacko [GoneWacko@86-60-147-155-dyn-dsl.ssp.fi] has quit [] 23:32:28 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-26-82-230.nrth.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 23:45:38 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: Night All.] 23:45:54 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-111-36.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [Quit: Caught sigterm, terminating...] 23:47:06 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g227033159.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: (~_~]"] 23:52:02 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@user-54418bdb.lns1-c7.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving]