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10:12:25 <Yexo> you have to increase your town rating 10:13:00 <Yexo> you can do that in several ways: 1) providing good service on multiple staitons within the city range. 2) bribe the town. 3) Build lots of trees around the town 10:13:26 <MorgyN> I once spent 2 million on trees 10:13:28 <MorgyN> =( 10:14:09 <peter1138> 4) cheat 10:14:33 <Yexo> cheat for the town rating? never seen that one 10:14:47 <Yexo> unless you mean the magic buildozer 10:15:36 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-111-36.fttx.bbned.nl] has joined #openttd 10:16:29 <rift_> lol ok 10:16:58 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5ad545f2.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 10:17:42 <peter1138> well cheat for removing buildings :) 10:18:24 *** Chrill [~chrischri@c80-216-64-31.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 10:34:24 <planetmaker> hm... just started to wonder: are there any plans to include automatic creation of rivers in the map generator? 10:35:34 <Celestar> :) 10:35:42 <dih> now that would be awsome 10:36:19 *** einKarl [~einKarl@91-65-196-232-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 10:40:17 <Eddi|zuHause2> depends on your definition of "plan" :p 10:41:20 <planetmaker> :P well... what definition would the current status comply with? 10:43:38 <dih> 85.179.193.115 <- this ip is getting pretty annoying in the server list (http://servers.openttd.org) 10:43:54 *** Mchl [~mchl@abdr124.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 10:44:15 <Mchl> hello 10:44:37 <dih> hi 10:44:57 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 10:48:41 <peter1138> plan = someone write it 10:50:30 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-26-82-230.nrth.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 10:53:52 *** SmatZ [~SmatZ@members.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:54:31 *** eekee [~eekee@cpc1-lanc4-0-0-cust82.brig.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:54:35 *** XeryusTC [~XeryusTC@members.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:54:45 *** Ammler [~Ammler@members.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:54:50 *** planetmaker [~pm@members.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:54:57 *** Osai [~Osai@members.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:55:07 *** thgergo [~thgergo@members.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:56:15 *** Kommer [~Kommer@members.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:56:17 *** dih [~dih@members.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:56:25 *** tneo [~tneo@members.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:57:24 <Eddi|zuHause2> http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Lively_Rivers 10:57:40 * Celestar thinks he should update the wiki concerning orders 11:01:09 *** planetmaker [~pm@members.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 11:01:13 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@adsl-58.35.Static.ssp.fi] has quit [] 11:01:30 *** thgergo [~thgergo@members.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 11:02:08 *** tneo [~tneo@members.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 11:02:09 <Celestar> I do hate appalling town ratins 11:02:32 *** Ammler [~Ammler@members.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 11:03:08 *** Kommer [~Kommer@members.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 11:03:28 *** Osai [~Osai@members.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 11:04:09 *** SmatZ [~SmatZ@members.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 11:04:10 <planetmaker> [13:02] <peter1138> plan = someone write it <-- thx. that's what I wanted to know :) 11:04:25 *** XeryusTC [~XeryusTC@members.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 11:04:27 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-26-82-230.nrth.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 11:04:40 *** Volley [~worf@85-127-151-68.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:05:08 *** dih [~dih@members.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 11:07:50 <Noldo> planetmaker: how are you going to make rivers flow? 11:08:13 *** Mirrakor [~linuser@p57B2EC62.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:08:18 <planetmaker> no idea yet. But a maximum gradient approach seems ok with some random noise 11:08:50 <planetmaker> and maybe some undulation for no gradient 11:10:39 <Noldo> I feel the current river consept is somehow counterintuitive 11:10:53 <planetmaker> there's no river concept, is it? 11:11:19 <planetmaker> you may build them manually - or is there a way to place them automatically that I'm not aware of? 11:12:14 *** Kommer [~Kommer@members.openttdcoop.org] has left #openttd [] 11:12:28 <Celestar> hm 11:12:31 <planetmaker> btw: I didn't pledge to do it - but I might have a look :) 11:12:33 <Noldo> there is, putting river graphics on a canal and saying it is a river 11:12:34 *** Kommer [~Kommer@members.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 11:12:40 <Celestar> I want to run my OpenFOAM on one of the AMD 4870X2s 11:12:46 <Celestar> 2.5TFlops :D 11:13:02 <Noldo> :) 11:13:23 <planetmaker> Noldo: that's fine IMO. Water is water. 11:14:19 <planetmaker> never touch a running system. Nor never run a touchy system :P 11:15:08 *** Kommer [~Kommer@members.openttdcoop.org] has left #openttd [] 11:15:09 <Noldo> I agree that it works fine the way it is but if you try to make this canal with river graphics flow it might not 11:16:00 <planetmaker> hm... I got the feeling that I don't get your point 11:17:23 <Noldo> having the water stay on a tile implies that is lower than the adjacent tiles 11:17:49 <planetmaker> yeah. 11:18:29 <Noldo> let's say we have a flat area and the river floods/flows to one of the tiles, what makes it not flow to all the other tiles that are the same height 11:18:59 <planetmaker> simply the such small height differences are not applicable in OpenTTD. 11:19:04 <planetmaker> we choose any direction 11:19:11 <planetmaker> but not all 11:20:17 <planetmaker> I wouldn't care to model these tiny river bed height differences. It would add enormous complexity without gain 11:21:10 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@user-54418bdb.lns1-c7.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 11:21:20 <MorgyN> so.. could you direct water to flood a town, if they weren't letting you build an airport? 11:21:22 <planetmaker> a endpoint condition could be "all tiles higher or river" (= lake) or "adjacent tile=sea" 11:21:22 <peter1138> note that "lively rivers" is in no way official planning, heh 11:21:27 <MorgyN> I liek this idea 11:22:10 <planetmaker> yeah. I wouldn't want that. Just eye candy placement during map creation is my idea which I'd be happy with 11:22:16 <planetmaker> Not self-healing or flooding rivers 11:23:02 <Noldo> ok, then there is propably no problems 11:23:33 * Celestar wonders whether it is possible for a normal player to fill a 1024x1024 map within 100 game-years 11:23:35 <planetmaker> :) 11:24:08 <Forked> I've made a note to self.. play openttd today ! 11:24:21 <Celestar> I mean ... fill in a brainful sort of way, not just clogging things up 11:24:41 <planetmaker> Celestar: I know my playing style wouldn't allow me to do that. 11:25:19 <Celestar> planetmaker: how is your "playing style?" 11:25:24 <planetmaker> but then: I'm a slow builder. 11:25:38 <planetmaker> I need to look at things and try to build a nice network 11:25:45 <Celestar> me too 11:25:49 <Celestar> and realistic :D 11:26:09 <planetmaker> building some eye candy stations in between etc :) - and I enjoy just watching how it works :) 11:26:21 <planetmaker> looking for things where to improve it. 11:26:36 *** Kommer [kommer@vestingbar.student.utwente.nl] has joined #openttd 11:26:56 <planetmaker> and looking for a good way to add to the existing infrastructure 11:27:51 <planetmaker> [13:25] <Celestar> and realistic :D <-- depends upon what "realistic" means :) 11:27:58 *** Kommer [kommer@vestingbar.student.utwente.nl] has quit [] 11:27:59 *** Kommer [kommer@vestingbar.student.utwente.nl] has joined #openttd 11:33:09 <Celestar> planetmaker: network should look _somehow_ like real-world networks 11:34:25 <planetmaker> he :) yeah 11:35:51 <MorgyN> monorails everwhere! 11:36:35 <Celestar> planetmaker: http://www.fvfischer.de/real.png 11:36:44 <planetmaker> I'm a rail fan :). Not maglev or monorail :) 11:36:52 <Celestar> small-scale station with nice depot 11:37:49 <planetmaker> ah. PBS fan :) 11:38:04 <Celestar> well. no proper railway layout without PBS 11:38:22 <planetmaker> oh, you get good layouts without, too. 11:38:34 <Celestar> but then they're inefficient :) 11:38:48 <planetmaker> not at all. Proper building without is at least as efficient as with PBS :) 11:39:01 <Celestar> and btw: junctions are basically never mind-field. Always at stations only 11:39:38 <planetmaker> not quite for me. I hate it, if they become a bottle neck :P 11:39:39 <Ammler> Celestar: most ttd networks look like road traffic simulations... 11:39:58 <Celestar> Ammler: yes 11:40:02 <Celestar> not mine 11:40:38 <planetmaker> I'd like to see all asserts in PBS gone, though... maybe we should field test the latest version again on our servers :) 11:40:54 <peter1138> "never mind-field" ? 11:40:56 <Celestar> hm? 11:41:03 <Ammler> planetmaker: did you test them? 11:41:18 <peter1138> test, reproduce, report. 11:41:38 <planetmaker> Ammler: not really. 11:41:48 <Ammler> I had a small chat with michi, he had a bug in 8.1, which is removed in 8.2 11:41:55 <peter1138> what do you mean by look like road traffic? 11:41:58 <planetmaker> I just became prejudiced :P 11:42:30 <Ammler> peter1138: as Celestar already mentioned junctions between stations instead at stations. 11:42:35 <planetmaker> without good reason actually :S 11:42:48 <Ammler> and trains don't drive with timetable like cars. 11:42:57 <Celestar> aslo: my trains never go to depots with cargo loaded 11:43:15 <peter1138> hmm 11:43:20 <peter1138> true 11:43:30 <peter1138> usually if there's a junction in the middle of nowhere it's near where a station used to be 11:43:32 <planetmaker> timetables. How do I best use time tabled _travelling_ ? 11:43:36 *** fmauNeko is now known as fmauNekAway 11:43:45 *** fmauNekAway is now known as fmauNeko 11:43:50 <Celestar> planetmaker: what does it actually _do_ ? 11:44:11 <fmauNeko> hmm, a firewall can block the server list ? 11:44:23 <peter1138> Ammler: how near does it need to be to be considered at a station? heh 11:44:26 <Ammler> fmauNeko: open port 3978 11:44:47 <planetmaker> Celestar: exactly my question :). 11:44:56 <Ammler> peter1138: I would say station itself should be the split/join :-) 11:45:08 <peter1138> http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=salisbury&ie=UTF8&ll=51.076028,-1.790514&spn=0.027179,0.053215&z=14 11:45:09 <planetmaker> I know that you can tell a train to wait a certain time at a station. But to tell it use a specified time to travel... ? 11:45:12 <fmauNeko> 3978 & 3979 are opened :'( 11:45:12 <Ammler> well, there are junctions but not as much as we use. 11:45:25 <peter1138> junction there is quite away from the station 11:45:41 <Ammler> 3978 is for your server to be advertised, 11:46:00 <Ammler> maybe you just need to switch from LAN to internet? 11:46:06 <peter1138> http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=salisbury&ie=UTF8&ll=51.251011,-1.157598&spn=0.027076,0.053215&z=14 11:46:07 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B822DA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:46:09 <peter1138> and there 11:46:11 <Celestar> peter1138: I'm not saying there aren'T exceptions 11:46:14 <fmauNeko> Ammler: i'm on internet :p 11:46:31 <fmauNeko> hmm, i found stg interesting 11:46:55 <fmauNeko> as I can read, my box serie has a lot of problems with UDP :'( 11:47:18 <planetmaker> fmauNeko: you could join wwottdgd. 11:47:27 <planetmaker> it should basically work the same for the public server 11:47:34 <Celestar> peter1138: that latter one is about 2 miles from the station. that's not far .. 11:47:35 <planetmaker> just different ip 11:47:58 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B8119D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 11:47:58 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 11:47:59 <fmauNeko> planetmaker: by command line 11:48:09 <peter1138> but not directly at the station, as ammler suggested 11:48:28 <fmauNeko> planetmaker: and i could join the ps, but as i was doing an upgrade while compiling my client :p 11:48:31 * fmauNeko rebuilds 11:48:34 <Ammler> peter1138: do the tracks join there? 11:48:53 <planetmaker> fmauNeko: fmauNeko try a pre-build nightly. Just download it. 11:49:06 <Ammler> or do they just share "foundations" 11:49:47 <peter1138> well 11:49:55 <peter1138> in the latter case, yeah, they share 11:50:01 <peter1138> like Celestar's picture :D 11:50:01 <fmauNeko> planetmaker: okay :) 11:52:14 <Ammler> peter1138: so the join/split itself is at station :-) 11:53:39 *** shodan [user@ppp101-219.static.internode.on.net] has joined #openttd 11:53:59 <peter1138> there's a split outside of guildford but that's just after some tunnels 11:54:06 <peter1138> -of 11:55:15 <Celestar> lol just spent 30k on an autosingla process :D 11:55:37 *** k-man [~jason@ppp121-44-24-253.lns10.syd7.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:56:17 <peter1138> :D 11:56:30 <peter1138> whoever wrote that version of autosignals needs a pat on their back 11:56:31 <peter1138> ;) 11:59:41 <Celestar> well. it was a long route 11:59:45 <Celestar> about 150 tiles I think 12:01:41 *** Yexo_ [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 12:01:49 *** Yexo is now known as Guest675 12:01:49 *** Yexo_ is now known as yexo 12:02:30 <planetmaker> oh, our 100th game was version 0.4.7 - without autosignal. That was annoying :) 12:04:12 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@adsl-58.35.Static.ssp.fi] has joined #openttd 12:09:02 *** Guest675 [~Yexo@dhcp-077-250-220-139.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:09:20 * fmauNeko rebuilds his suse packages with data integrated and no overwriting on the stable :) 12:15:58 *** Purno [~Purno@5350931D.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 12:16:05 *** Purno [~Purno@5350931D.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:19:48 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1E9E7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:21:19 *** yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:21:37 *** yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 12:22:24 *** lauanana [~lauanana@ANantes-257-1-8-146.w90-31.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 12:23:02 *** thgergo [~thgergo@members.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:23:42 *** tneo [~tneo@members.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:23:55 *** lauanana [~lauanana@ANantes-257-1-8-146.w90-31.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [] 12:24:06 *** dih [~dih@members.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:24:52 *** planetmaker [~pm@members.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:25:02 *** Osai [~Osai@members.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:25:03 *** yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:25:21 *** Ammler [~Ammler@members.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:25:42 *** SmatZ [~SmatZ@members.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:25:56 *** Ammler [~Ammler@members.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 12:26:02 *** XeryusTC [~XeryusTC@members.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:26:32 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 12:26:33 *** dih [~dih@members.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 12:27:13 *** planetmaker [~pm@members.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 12:27:33 *** SmatZ [~SmatZ@members.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 12:27:34 *** thgergo [~thgergo@members.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 12:27:53 *** tneo [~tneo@members.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 12:28:33 *** Osai [~Osai@members.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 12:29:14 *** XeryusTC [~XeryusTC@members.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 12:32:45 <fmauNeko> why nightlies executables are linked against libexpat.so.0 and libexpat.so.1 ? 12:33:05 *** curson [~curzon@79-69-126-217.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 12:36:58 <peter1138> they're not 12:37:21 <peter1138> they're linked against one of them, and something else is linked against the other 12:37:27 <peter1138> but that's dependent on your system 12:41:00 <ln> the same thing translated for those who don't like proper english: "their not", "but thats dependant on ur system" 12:41:26 <MorgyN> loldev? 12:42:06 <Celestar> lol 12:42:08 <Celestar> hm .. 12:42:30 * Celestar wonders why two of his trains always generate an "is lost" message the moment the arrive at their planned stations 12:42:40 <MorgyN> i'm in ur code, commenting your blocks... 12:46:17 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 12:46:18 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:56:50 *** mikl_ [~mikl@cpe.ge-0-2-0-812.0x50c774be.boanqu1.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 12:57:39 <Celestar> building through stations in cities is close to impossible 12:58:20 <Forked> underground stations patch ! gogogo :p 13:01:11 *** mikl [~mikl@cpe.ge-0-2-0-812.0x50c774be.boanqu1.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:02:39 <Brianetta> Most city centre stations are double-plus-un-young in the first place. 13:02:53 <Brianetta> The city grows around the lines. 13:03:08 <Doorslammer|BRSet> Having trouble setting up a server on Beardie's cpmpy, anyone help? 13:03:58 *** extspotter [~extspotte@host86-142-110-32.range86-142.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 13:03:58 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-151-171.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 13:04:07 *** Beardie27 [~Beardie27@82-43-232-137.cable.ubr02.pres.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 13:06:46 <Doorslammer|BRSet> Anyone? 13:07:20 <Brianetta> Apparently not. 13:07:36 <Doorslammer|BRSet> Oh 13:07:40 <Doorslammer|BRSet> Bye then :P 13:07:42 <Beardie27> here 13:08:00 <extspotter> there! 13:08:36 <Doorslammer|BRSet> everywhere? 13:09:02 <Beardie27> i am here 13:10:36 *** extspotter [~extspotte@host86-142-110-32.range86-142.btcentralplus.com] has left #openttd [] 13:10:55 <Eddi|zuHause2> <Celestar> building through stations in cities is close to impossible <- that's why the paxdest patch is so great, you can place the station outside the city and then provide a tram or bus system through the city 13:11:20 <MorgyN> paxdest? 13:11:27 <MorgyN> *googles somemore* 13:11:34 <peter1138> Eddi|zuHause2: yeah, like real life 13:11:57 <Eddi|zuHause2> don't say the "r"-word, it'll scare belugas ;) 13:12:04 <peter1138> i didn't say that one :) 13:12:25 <Eddi|zuHause2> yeah, but you got kinda close ;) 13:14:00 <Brianetta> r? 13:14:30 <Doorslammer|BRSet> Real life 13:14:32 <Doorslammer|BRSet> Shit 13:15:32 *** Mirrakor [~linuser@p57B2EC62.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:18:58 *** Beardie27 [~Beardie27@82-43-232-137.cable.ubr02.pres.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 13:26:01 <Sacro> ooh 13:26:06 <Sacro> someone revived my patch thread 13:26:09 <Sacro> i might update it now 13:27:24 <Doorslammer|BRSet> So, server help... 13:27:37 <Doorslammer|BRSet> Tried everything, still not showing up 13:28:39 <Celestar> oh .. "patch thread" .. I somehow read "thread patch" :) 13:28:53 *** Doorslammer|BRSet [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-229-164.prem.tmns.net.au] has left #openttd [] 13:29:06 <Eddi|zuHause2> same difference ;) 13:37:32 <Sacro> Celestar: Sacro's daylength patch! 13:39:54 * hylje patches threads out 14:08:25 <Celestar> Eddi|zuHause2: does it ... work? 14:08:52 <Eddi|zuHause2> the current implementation has serious multiplayer trouble 14:10:20 <Eddi|zuHause2> and the behaviour of passengers when there are parallel routes could be improved 14:11:59 *** shodan [user@ppp101-219.static.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: Client Exiting] 14:12:30 <Eddi|zuHause2> and when you build new routes, it takes a pretty long time for the passengers to accept it 14:18:20 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@g226149122.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 14:23:27 *** mikl [~mikl@cpe.ge-0-2-0-812.0x50c774be.boanqu1.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 14:25:01 *** mikl [~mikl@cpe.ge-0-2-0-812.0x50c774be.boanqu1.customer.tele.dk] has quit [] 14:25:32 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g227033159.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:25:32 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 14:26:32 *** mikl [~mikl@cpe.ge-0-2-0-812.0x50c774be.boanqu1.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 14:28:27 *** mikl_ [~mikl@cpe.ge-0-2-0-812.0x50c774be.boanqu1.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:29:16 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm36.epsilon121.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 14:39:04 *** KillaloT [~killalot@0x5738ccf9.rdnqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 14:46:07 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@adsl-58.35.Static.ssp.fi] has quit [] 14:54:35 <Celestar> heh has anyone tried the OpenGL blitter? 14:54:58 <glx> Tiberius' one? 14:55:03 <Celestar> ay 14:55:25 <glx> quickly but it worked for me 14:55:44 <Celestar> is it really that fast? :D 14:57:40 <glx> it's not slower at least :) 14:57:44 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:58:07 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 15:01:54 *** Yexo_ [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 15:01:54 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:02:06 *** GoneWacko [GoneWacko@86-60-147-155-dyn-dsl.ssp.fi] has joined #openttd 15:05:00 *** Yexo_ is now known as yexo 15:09:31 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:10:54 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 15:19:14 *** Mirrakor [~linuser@p57B2EC62.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:33:15 *** rift_ [~rift@217.56.70-86.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 15:34:24 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host217-44-86-192.range217-44.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 15:38:56 <dih> @seen rortom 15:38:57 <DorpsGek> dih: rortom was last seen in #openttd 3 days, 18 hours, 54 minutes, and 3 seconds ago: <rortom> gn8\ 15:39:42 <Sacro> @seen Bjarni 15:39:43 <DorpsGek> Sacro: Bjarni was last seen in #openttd 1 week, 4 days, 19 hours, 31 minutes, and 49 seconds ago: <Bjarni> I didn't have any 15:39:50 <Sacro> what happened to him? 15:40:07 <hylje> weekend 15:41:03 <dih> lol 15:41:09 <dih> that's a weekend of a weekend 15:47:00 *** |414TooLong| [~osiris@219-90-172-173.ip.adam.com.au] has joined #openttd 15:50:19 *** HaloMaster [~osiris@122-49-151-202.ip.adam.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:53:19 <Celestar> @seen food 15:53:19 <DorpsGek> Celestar: food was last seen in #openttd 1 year, 11 weeks, 3 days, 22 hours, 3 minutes, and 31 seconds ago: <food> hi dihedral, hi others 15:53:30 <Celestar> O_O 15:53:57 <Progman> lol 15:54:41 <Progman> @seen a girl 15:54:42 <DorpsGek> Progman: seen [<channel>] <nick> 15:54:45 <Progman> damn... 15:55:02 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has joined #openttd 15:55:07 <Progman> @seen a_girl 15:55:07 <DorpsGek> Progman: I have not seen a_girl. 15:56:16 <dih> @see my_glasses 15:56:20 <dih> doh 15:56:32 <dih> Celestar: why do you have to highlight me? 15:56:33 <dih> :-P 15:56:44 <Celestar> er .. 15:57:56 <planetmaker> looool ! 15:59:50 <dih> yay 1800... 15:59:52 * dih runs home 15:59:59 <dih> laters 16:00:23 * Celestar is waiting for an insurance guy to visit hi, 16:00:34 <Celestar> I'm really really going pay him back 16:00:51 <Celestar> He phone-spammed me like every day for about two weeks. 16:01:23 <Celestar> I finally said yes. He's now driving to my office (about 120miles from where he is), just to hear me telling him that I don't want no damn insurance from him 16:01:26 <planetmaker> o_O - so how are you going to pay him 16:01:36 <planetmaker> hehe. nice 16:03:59 <Celestar> apparently he's on commission and things havbe been lean this year 16:04:12 <hylje> aw 16:04:31 <planetmaker> gah. You evil guy :) 16:04:51 <planetmaker> Nice one, though. They can get really pesty... 16:06:14 <Celestar> well I would have preferred not to do it, but my stab-people-in-the-face-though-the-phone-line device was out of service 16:06:57 *** Nev [bleepy@5ad456b4.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 16:09:17 *** HttpError [osiris@219-90-172-173.ip.adam.com.au] has joined #openttd 16:11:15 *** bleepy [bleepy@5adad4a8.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:13:14 *** |414TooLong| [~osiris@219-90-172-173.ip.adam.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:13:22 *** HttpError [osiris@219-90-172-173.ip.adam.com.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:13:28 *** HttpError [osiris@219-90-172-173.ip.adam.com.au] has joined #openttd 16:15:46 *** Yorick [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 16:21:18 *** Yorick [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0/2008052906]] 16:23:50 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-155-215.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 16:25:00 *** Bloody [blood@host-187-89.xdsl.telecet.ru] has joined #openttd 16:29:42 <Bloody> Who can help me? 16:30:21 <planetmaker> Celestar: sometimes it helps to be _really_ unfriendly 16:30:53 <Bloody> I don't see any text in text only ??????? 16:30:55 <planetmaker> or you turn around the call: try to sell him something :P 16:31:17 <Bloody> What I need to do? 16:31:18 <planetmaker> that's a bloody aweful error description :P 16:31:27 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590c7d6b.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 16:31:40 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-26-82-230.nrth.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:32:27 <planetmaker> Bloody: you should always state OS, OpenTTD version, what you try to achieve and where exactly your error is 16:32:43 <planetmaker> OpenTTD has no text only mode 16:32:54 <Bloody> I have windows XP 32 16:34:44 <Bloody> OpenTTD 0.6.1 16:35:04 <Bloody> downloaded from http://www.openttd.org/ 16:35:36 <planetmaker> k. And what is the "text only mode"? 16:36:02 <planetmaker> talking about the chat? the console? ...? 16:36:08 <planetmaker> dedicated server? 16:37:20 <Bloody> xm 16:37:20 <planetmaker> or rather: what do you try to do? 16:37:53 <Bloody> I trying to read readme:) 16:37:55 <planetmaker> I have honestly no clue 16:38:02 <planetmaker> o_O 16:38:22 <planetmaker> you could open it with the text editor of your choice 16:39:30 <Bloody> I'm reading now... sry I don't know english well 16:40:14 <planetmaker> has that been your problem? 16:40:53 <Bloody> The current font if missing some of the charaters used in the texts for this language. Read the readme to see how to solve this. 16:41:30 <Mchl> to me it seems like another instance of this: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=38374 16:41:42 <Bloody> I down't know where is this tip 16:42:20 *** Bloody [blood@host-187-89.xdsl.telecet.ru] has left #openttd [] 16:42:25 *** Bloody [blood@host-187-89.xdsl.telecet.ru] has joined #openttd 16:42:36 <Mchl> Bloody: see the link I posted 16:42:36 <Bloody> I have same trouble... 16:43:22 <planetmaker> then it's a trouble with your computer in general... 16:43:41 <Mchl> also see section 9.0 in readme.txt 16:43:58 <Mchl> starts with: With the added support for font-based text selecting a non-latin language... 16:44:19 <planetmaker> sorry... misunderstood. withdraw my comment :P 16:44:19 <Bloody> xax 16:44:23 <Bloody> ty 16:45:35 <Bloody> Russian stay in default:( 16:46:10 <Mchl> surely you have some cyrylic font installed on your system 16:46:38 <Mchl> if you do, edit openttd.cfg as advised in readme.txt 17:02:05 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@g226149122.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 17:02:05 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g226149122.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:02:05 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 17:19:44 *** Pikita [~sam@89.241.226.153] has joined #openttd 17:23:30 <KingJ> Do cargo payments also rise with inflation? 17:23:38 <peter1138> yes 17:23:47 <peter1138> at a different rate, however 17:24:11 <KingJ> lower? 17:24:28 *** HttpError [osiris@219-90-172-173.ip.adam.com.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:33:17 *** yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:33:27 *** yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 17:35:09 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host206-235-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 17:35:27 <Wolf01> hello 17:36:58 <Bloody> hi 17:37:12 *** Bloody [blood@host-187-89.xdsl.telecet.ru] has left #openttd [] 17:37:16 <peter1138> yes, lower 17:37:31 *** Bloody [blood@host-187-89.xdsl.telecet.ru] has joined #openttd 17:37:38 <peter1138> 1% lower, so if the main inflation is 4%, then it is increased at 3% 17:39:34 <KingJ> That would explain the decline in profits 17:45:36 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-363c71d5.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 17:47:04 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm36.epsilon121.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:51:50 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-26-82-230.nrth.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 18:02:08 *** Volley [~worf@85-127-151-68.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #openttd 18:15:55 *** Bloody [blood@host-187-89.xdsl.telecet.ru] has left #openttd [] 18:16:16 *** Nev is now known as bleepy 18:22:42 <Eddi|zuHause2> i always play with inflation off 18:22:50 <Eddi|zuHause2> as suggested in the dbsetxl readme ;) 18:25:39 <KingJ> i'm going to start going that 18:26:22 <peter1138> Pah, too easy ;) 18:27:40 *** Yorick [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 18:27:51 <Yorick> how exactly is that 55clients-patch done? 18:28:14 <Yorick> I tried just changing the max_clients constant...but the server then crashes 18:29:51 <hylje> it does magic stuff that works around crashes 18:30:16 <Yorick> where can I find the magic? 18:31:04 <peter1138> #define assert // 18:31:18 <Yorick> peter1138: I wish it'd assert :) 18:31:41 <hylje> that's gonna futz with multiline asserts 18:32:05 <Yorick> http://wwottdgd.ammler.ch/wwottdgd/patches/2/wwottdgd_55clients_r13040.diff 18:32:10 <planetmaker> I got an assert with previous nightly 18:32:21 <Chrill> teehee 18:32:31 * Chrill has added a Jeremy Clarkson and a Robert Kubica on Facebook 18:32:45 <planetmaker> is r13697: NOT_REACHED triggered at line 101 of /usr/src/packages/BUILD/openttd-svn/src/vehicle_gui.h 18:33:24 <Yorick> I smell bjarnbugs 18:33:35 <planetmaker> Yorick: read the blog entry and download all patches 18:33:45 <Yorick> planetmaker: all? 18:33:46 <planetmaker> udpfix is your friend 18:33:56 <planetmaker> it links to a zip with all wwottdgd patches 18:34:07 <Yorick> I got udpfix 18:34:10 <Yorick> but it crashes 18:34:13 <Yorick> not asserts 18:34:22 <Yorick> and on the FIRST client I want to join it 18:34:35 <planetmaker> eh... 18:38:24 <frosch123> planetmaker: you should post a detailed report to bugs.openttd.org 18:38:47 <planetmaker> unfortunately I have no idea what exactly triggered it... :S 18:39:06 <planetmaker> but most people on the server asserted... 18:40:13 <Yorick> I wish I knew why it crashes ^^ 18:40:57 <planetmaker> yorick: I've no idea... 18:41:16 <Yorick> I'd say I don't have all patches needed 18:41:44 <planetmaker> you have the overall diff 18:41:51 <planetmaker> which was actually used 18:42:05 <planetmaker> that's everything in there 18:42:07 <Yorick> it changes only ONE constant 18:42:13 <planetmaker> yes. 18:42:27 <planetmaker> and that works, if nothing else is changed. 18:42:38 <planetmaker> but crashes for >11 clients 18:42:46 <Yorick> if it was that easy they would have put it into trunk 18:42:51 <planetmaker> that's what the udp hack is for 18:43:49 *** CIA-3 [~CIA@208.69.182.149.simpli.biz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:43:54 <Yorick> I got the udphack in 18:44:04 <Yorick> but it asserts without the udphack, right? 18:44:29 <planetmaker> only for many clients afaik 18:44:36 <planetmaker> and only a server 18:45:20 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has quit [Quit: ecke] 18:49:06 <Yorick> ok, now it just kicks out everyone on 12 clients 18:49:55 <planetmaker> Yorick: that's expected 18:50:13 <Yorick> expected...yes, but is there a fix 18:50:49 <planetmaker> that's the udpfix 18:50:57 <planetmaker> somehow... 18:52:58 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:53:21 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has joined #openttd 18:54:31 *** mikl [~mikl@cpe.ge-0-2-0-812.0x50c774be.boanqu1.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: mikl] 18:56:19 <ln> which key activates the machine guns? 18:56:32 <Yorick> ctrl-G 18:56:38 <joachim> apple + windows 18:56:53 <Mchl> any key 18:57:32 <Prof_Frink> ln: Press and hold the "power" button for seven seconds to unlock the machineguns powerup. 18:58:09 *** grumbel [~grumbel@i577B92A8.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Client exiting] 18:58:51 <ln> thanks 19:06:36 * Chrill is listening to Aerosmith - Eat The Rich 19:08:19 *** curson [~curzon@79-69-126-217.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 19:11:09 * Chrill is listening to Sabaton - Hellrider 19:11:21 <ln> Chrill: thank you for sharing that with us 19:11:32 <Chrill> sorry, it's a bug im tryin to fix with it 19:11:37 <Chrill> it spams it to all windows 19:12:22 * Chrill is listening to Sabaton - The price of a mile 19:12:26 <Chrill> oh damnit 19:12:33 <Sacro> Chrill: spammah 19:12:46 <Chrill> it tells mIRC itself every time a track changes, Sacropoop 19:12:57 * Chrill is listening to Sabaton - Panzerkampf 19:13:02 <Chrill> I TOLD YOU TO STOP 19:13:08 *** DJNekkid [~chatzilla@static128-249.adsl.no] has joined #openttd 19:13:31 * Chrill is listening to Sabaton - Cliffs of Gallipoli 19:13:33 <Chrill> ... 19:13:42 <hylje> whaaat? 19:13:51 <Chrill> I'll return when i fixed this 19:13:52 *** Chrill [~chrischri@c80-216-64-31.bredband.comhem.se] has left #openttd [] 19:14:24 *** Volley [~worf@85-127-151-68.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:16:02 *** Chrill [~chrischri@c80-216-64-31.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 19:16:07 <Chrill> there 19:16:11 <Chrill> apologies for earlier spam 19:16:27 <peter1138> YOU BETTER BE 19:16:31 <hylje> ABUSER 19:16:43 * Chrill slaps peter1138 19:16:46 * yexo waits for the next "Chrill is listening to ..." line :p 19:16:51 * Chrill is NP Sabaton - The price of a mile [05:55] 19:16:51 * peter1138 slaps Chrill 19:16:53 <Chrill> :) 19:21:03 <Yorick> I think it would help if I knew what the errors meant 19:21:09 <Yorick> 10054... 19:22:43 <peter1138> Ask Google. 19:22:48 <planetmaker> :D 19:24:38 <hylje> software caused connection abort 19:24:45 <DJNekkid> could anyone check this out? im trying to make a 3part articulated engine with the 2nd part a bit shorter ... http://paste.openttd.org/31036 19:26:38 <peter1138> ... 19:26:47 <peter1138> -ENOTACALLBACKRESULT 19:27:04 <DJNekkid> well, the point is, the 2nd part wont be shorter 19:27:38 *** Yorick_ [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 19:27:43 *** Yorick is now known as Guest751 19:27:44 *** Yorick_ is now known as Yorick 19:28:11 *** abbmaz [zambba@puoliintumisaika.fi] has joined #openttd 19:28:11 <DJNekkid> well, thanx, i think 19:28:12 <DJNekkid> :) 19:28:32 <abbmaz> would someone like to play shared structure patched game on the net? 19:28:34 <DJNekkid> sometimes im so stupid :) 19:29:11 <abbmaz> there's a binary available for download 19:29:33 <Yorick> abbmaz: where? 19:30:24 <yexo> abbmaz: openttdcoop might be something for you (www.openttdcoop.org or #openttdcoop) 19:30:35 *** nekx [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:31:50 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-119-5.karoo.KCOM.COM] has left #openttd [] 19:32:24 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-119-5.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 19:32:31 *** Prof_Frink is now known as BRIAN_BLESSED 19:32:32 <abbmaz> ookay 19:32:52 *** BRIAN_BLESSED is now known as Prof_Frink 19:33:42 *** Guest751 [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:41:13 <kyevan> I tried Locomotion. What the hell were they thinking with RCT-style track laying!? 19:46:43 <planetmaker> Is it intended, that the depot window closes itself after you built 21 vehicles in a row without doing anything else like closing the open vehicle windows? 19:47:05 <Chrill> kyevan: they were thinking: Make some graphics and smack it into an exisiting engine 19:47:09 *** fmauNeko is now known as fmauNekAway 19:47:37 <yexo> planetmaker: yes, because there is a limit on the amount of open windows 19:48:07 <planetmaker> is there? I was under the impression that it was removed some time ago, but I may be wrong :) 19:49:34 <Yorick> press and hold 'v' 19:51:08 <yexo> window_gui.h: MAX_NUMBER_OF_WINDOWS = 25; 19:51:28 <planetmaker> :) Thx 19:53:20 <yexo> it looks like you can change that constant without any problems, but I'm not entirely sure 19:53:40 <planetmaker> hm.. a bug which I cannot reproduce is not worth much, I guess... 19:54:03 <planetmaker> yexo: :) I've no problem with 25 windows - it's cluttered enough 19:54:15 <kyevan> Chrill: Aaah. Makes sense, I guess 19:54:19 <planetmaker> I was just testing some things and wondered 19:54:38 <kyevan> (I really don't see why they couldn't have used the path-building interface, but whatever.) 19:55:00 <Chrill> kyevan, the RCT interface was great when building coasters since you turned everywhere, all the time 19:55:06 <kyevan> I agree! 19:55:13 <Chrill> it's not as functional with roads and rails stretching straight as far as possible 19:55:31 <kyevan> I love it, for coasters. Even for the trains on RCT it's a little not-nice, but really understandable there. 19:55:31 <Chrill> and on that bombshell 19:55:36 <Chrill> Immah go play RCT2 19:55:45 <Chrill> also 19:55:52 <Chrill> anyone knows of a good downloadable scenario for RCT2? 19:55:55 <kyevan> (Randomly, has anyone played with the data files from RCT? I had a really stupid idea the other day >_>) 19:56:06 <kyevan> Chrill: I only have RCT1... and my disk is cracked :( 19:56:47 <kyevan> (I can always torrent it. I have a license, I have a disk, it's just damaged. I might not be LEGALY in the clear, but I'm in the clear morally.) 19:57:11 *** abbmaz [zambba@puoliintumisaika.fi] has left #openttd [] 20:05:20 <yexo> can someone look at http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Project_A_New_OpenTTD? imo it doesn't belong there, but under the user page of batti5 20:06:18 <yexo> just like more pages created recently by him 20:14:22 *** curson [~curzon@79-69-126-217.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 20:22:40 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-26-82-230.nrth.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 20:23:50 *** Bloody [blood@host-187-89.xdsl.telecet.ru] has joined #openttd 20:28:03 *** Bloody [blood@host-187-89.xdsl.telecet.ru] has left #openttd [] 20:28:09 *** Bloody [blood@host-187-89.xdsl.telecet.ru] has joined #openttd 20:30:02 <kyevan> Is documentation on the master server available? 20:30:43 <Rubidium> nothing more than the source code 20:32:07 <kyevan> Fair enough. 20:33:19 <Rubidium> why? what do you intend to do? 20:33:26 <kyevan> (I'm thinking about writing a fancy updater/launcher that downloads (if needed) and launches the right revision.) 20:43:10 <Yorick> why do you need the master server for that? 20:44:06 *** mikl [~mikl@0304ds2-ba.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 20:45:59 *** Yexo_ [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 20:46:04 *** yexo is now known as Guest775 20:46:04 *** Yexo_ is now known as yexo 20:46:05 *** Guest775 [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:50:49 <Chrill> kyevan, isn't there an AutoUpdate already though? 20:50:58 <Chrill> oh wait nvm 20:54:11 <kyevan> Yorick: The master server communication is to figure out what the right revision for a particular game is :P 20:54:38 <Yorick> the master server sends only IP 20:54:46 <Rubidium> even worse 20:54:53 <Rubidium> the masterserver doesn't even know the revisions 20:54:57 <kyevan> Oh boy, then I also get to probe servers >_> 20:54:59 <SpComb> yes it does 20:55:10 <kyevan> But I'd still need to ask it for what servers to probe. 20:55:13 <SpComb> well, the masterserver updater 20:55:57 <kyevan> I could just scrape http://www.openttd.org/servers.php 20:55:58 <Yorick> SpComb: the masterserver asks it to the server 20:56:14 <Yorick> kyevan: looked at openttdlib? 20:56:26 <kyevan> Yorick: No, I haven't. 20:56:32 <Yorick> you should 20:56:42 <kyevan> I haven't even heard of it :P 20:56:56 <Yorick> openttdlib.dihedral.de 20:58:30 <kyevan> Hmm, could be useful as an alternate implimentation to look at. 20:58:38 <kyevan> Probably a CLEANER implimentation at that :P 20:59:08 *** Bloody [blood@host-187-89.xdsl.telecet.ru] has left #openttd [] 21:01:13 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 21:03:30 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590c7d6b.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:05:52 <Wolf01> 'night 21:05:58 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host206-235-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 21:13:12 *** Yorick [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: Poef] 21:18:47 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-26-82-230.nrth.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 21:24:53 *** einKarl [~einKarl@91-65-196-232-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:26:57 *** fmauNekAway is now known as fmauNeko 21:28:05 *** Osai is now known as Osai^zZz 21:33:59 *** CIA-3 [~CIA@208.69.182.149.simpli.biz] has joined #openttd 21:38:40 *** mikl [~mikl@0304ds2-ba.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 21:38:58 *** GT [~GT@adsl-dc-4664d.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 21:39:03 *** GT [~GT@adsl-dc-4664d.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:39:59 *** GT [~GT@adsl-dc-4664d.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 21:47:49 *** gigi [~gigi@82.78.189.145] has joined #openttd 21:48:52 <gigi> hallo 21:49:08 <gigi> I have a problem with newgrf - if anyone can help 21:49:30 <yexo> only if you tell us what your problem is :p 21:49:34 <gigi> to be more specific I have installed ECS vectors 21:49:46 <gigi> but I do not have the ships to transport some of the new cargos 21:49:47 <kyevan> if(self.are(Emotion.HAPPY) && self.know(Emotion.HAPPY, true)) { 21:49:54 <gigi> I mnaged to have trains and rvs 21:49:56 <kyevan> self.hands.clap(); 21:49:57 <kyevan> } 21:50:37 <gigi> but I cannot find the grf which gives me the ships able to carry the new cargo (like fish, beer and stuff like that) 21:50:43 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-155-215.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:50:57 <glx> newships should do that 21:51:05 <planetmaker> gigi: newships by micha blunck 21:51:18 <glx> planetmaker: +el 21:51:38 <planetmaker> glx: micha is a common short for michael :) 21:51:50 <gigi> yes 21:51:54 <gigi> I have that too 21:52:14 <gigi> nshp_ecs.grf 21:52:20 <gigi> but it does not want to load 21:52:26 <gigi> it stays disabled at all tine 21:52:28 <gigi> time 21:52:30 <glx> you need newships.grf too 21:52:41 <planetmaker> load order may matter. and that ^ 21:52:56 <gigi> so 2 grf's for ships ? 21:53:06 <glx> nshp_ecs is just an addon for newships 21:53:09 <planetmaker> as for trains. yes 21:53:12 *** Mirrakor [~linuser@p57B2EC62.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:54:05 <gigi> for trains oldwagons-newcargos.grf is not enough ? 21:54:33 <glx> it is enough as it modifies the wagons 21:55:40 <gigi> ok lemme try the ships now :) 21:57:02 *** sandra_f [~sandra_f@ANantes-257-1-8-146.w90-31.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 21:57:27 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i59F560DF.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 21:57:40 <kyevan> What's the reason for the line size limit? 21:57:47 <kyevan> (For chat) 21:58:24 <glx> code unification 21:58:45 <gigi> indeed it works 21:58:46 <gigi> :0 21:58:52 <gigi> thank you 21:59:08 <SmatZ> :0 indeed 21:59:22 <gigi> :) 21:59:22 *** sandra_f [~sandra_f@ANantes-257-1-8-146.w90-31.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [] 22:00:38 <ArmEagle> hmm, seems like I managed to get someone to spend time modelling for 32bpp(-zoom) 22:00:53 <ArmEagle> is there a special channel for that too, or just the forum? 22:01:40 <SmatZ> I don't think there is any channel for 32bpp 22:02:10 <ArmEagle> I guess mainly the blender thread. 22:02:42 <ArmEagle> There's already quite some models made (or at least WIP). But they often haven't resulted in sprites yet. 22:03:17 *** gigi [~gigi@82.78.189.145] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 22:04:23 *** Mchl [~mchl@abdr124.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Quit: night] 22:09:58 *** k-man [~jason@ppp121-44-24-253.lns10.syd7.internode.on.net] has joined #openttd 22:12:29 <kyevan> ... Why does the train length indicator in the depot screen, etc show floor instead of ceiling? 22:13:05 <kyevan> (er, translation: why does it round down, not up?) 22:13:09 <glx> why do you not try ? 22:13:30 <kyevan> Buh? 22:13:36 <kyevan> That made no sense, glx. 22:14:07 <glx> build a train, look at the indicated length and check how it fits in a station 22:14:30 <kyevan> That's how I DISCOVERED this. 22:14:39 <kyevan> I'm wondering what the REASONING is 22:14:53 <kyevan> (Since this way, it can show 14 and not fit in 7-tile stations, etc) 22:15:39 <glx> 14 should fit in a 7-tile station 22:16:41 <kyevan> Sure, unless it's actually 14.5 22:16:41 <Rubidium> for me it rounds up though 22:16:45 <kyevan> Which shows 14. 22:17:21 <kyevan> (Water tanks, for example, have this issue) 22:17:35 <Rubidium> what newgrf? 22:17:42 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-151-171.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: und weg] 22:17:57 <glx> max size for a wagon is half-tile 22:18:03 <kyevan> Rubidium: Whatever set is running on #openttdcoop 's public server 22:18:16 <kyevan> glx: Sure, there are quarter-tile cars, though 22:18:31 <kyevan> Or something 22:18:39 <Eddi|zuHause2> i've had trains showing length 7 perfectly fit in a 3 tile station 22:18:53 <Eddi|zuHause2> i don't know what you mean with "it shows floor" 22:20:38 <kyevan> floor(4.5) -> 4 22:20:46 <kyevan> ceiling(4.5) -> 5 22:21:05 <kyevan> floor(1.0000001) -> 1 22:21:11 *** GT [~GT@adsl-dc-4664d.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has left #openttd [Kopete 0.12.7 : http://kopete.kde.org] 22:21:15 <kyevan> ceiling(1.0000001) -> 2 22:21:18 <Eddi|zuHause2> i know what a floor function is 22:21:30 <Eddi|zuHause2> but i don't believe that it behaves like this 22:22:12 <glx> (v->u.rail.cached_total_length + 7) / 8 <-- that's ceil 22:22:35 <glx> the problem is then the grf not OTTD 22:24:53 <Eddi|zuHause2> the DBSet early wagons have length 7/8, electric engine 6/8, engine + 6 wagons = (7*6+6)/8 = 8*6/8 = 6, steam engine has 7/8 -> 7*7/8 = 49/8 = 7, that is exactly what the depot shows 22:24:58 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1E9E7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:25:51 <Rubidium> kyevan: it's a bug in the NewGRF; if you reverse the wagons they do not fit and if you add a wagon behind a reversed wagon they overlap 22:26:07 <kyevan> Eya, whatever. It makes no sense, I can't reproduce it now. 22:26:26 <glx> btw it looks like UKRS :) 22:26:29 <kyevan> Oh, so "it's someone else's fault"? :P 22:26:46 <glx> we use the data given by the grf 22:27:00 <kyevan> glx: see the :P, I understand what's going on there 22:27:04 <kyevan> I'm just teasing. 22:27:31 <Rubidium> if a NewGRF tells that a vehicle is 1 wide and it gives OpenTTD a sprite that is actually 2 wide there's nothing we can do to stop it 22:27:49 <Rubidium> especially because the too wide sprites are sometimes used to make trains look nicer 22:28:00 <Rubidium> in the corners 22:28:01 <kyevan> Rubidium: But it should be treated, in logic, as 1 tile wide still, right? 22:28:12 <Rubidium> it is 22:28:40 <kyevan> It fit visually, according to the thing, it SHOULD have fit logicaly, but it was sticking out enough to break my presignals somehow 22:28:41 <Rubidium> the length you see in the depot window is the exact same length used everywhere else 22:28:59 <glx> the wagon seems to be outside the station, but if you look at the signal it isn't 22:29:12 <kyevan> glx: I had the other situation 22:29:22 <kyevan> It seemed to be inside, and it was sticking out. 22:29:34 <kyevan> Eh. Whatever. 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