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00:02:03 *** einKarl [~einKarl@91-65-196-232-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:33:48 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B76774.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:39:57 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B75060.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:40:52 *** GoneWack0 [GoneWacko@86-60-147-155-dyn-dsl.ssp.fi] has quit [] 00:49:37 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:49:58 *** fjb [~frank@p5485FFB8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:50:38 *** ccfreak2k [ccfreak2k@loliserv.org] has joined #openttd 01:10:43 *** Osai is now known as Osai^zZz 01:18:34 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1E1B6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:26:39 *** grumbel [~grumbel@i577AC8A1.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Client exiting] 01:41:07 *** rortom [~rortom@p57B7BDE6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 01:43:03 *** nkx [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 01:43:03 *** nekx [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:13:53 *** fmauNeko is now known as fmauNekAway 02:15:06 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 02:21:24 *** nkx [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.21 :: www.esnation.com )] 02:46:02 *** Digitalfox_ [~Digitalfo@bl7-183-195.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 02:46:02 *** Digitalfox [~Digitalfo@bl7-183-195.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:03:14 *** elmex_ [~elmex@e180065213.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 03:07:48 *** elmex [~elmex@e180068181.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:07:56 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-119-5.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:08:11 *** elmex_ is now known as elmex 04:34:12 *** michi_cc [d8fbac54b9@dude.icosahedron.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:08:36 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@5350C1D1.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:26:23 *** Bloody [blood@host-187-89.xdsl.telecet.ru] has joined #openttd 05:46:22 *** einKarl [~einKarl@91-65-196-232-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 05:57:45 *** Zorn [zorn@e177231178.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 06:00:18 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad3485b.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 06:03:40 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@a62-251-30-68.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Server closed connection] 06:03:41 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@a62-251-30-68.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 06:14:47 <einKarl> Hello 06:17:49 <einKarl> am i right: a problem with assertion-crash while working on order (of trams) is not yet reported? 06:18:53 <einKarl> (Version: r13776) 06:22:08 *** Bloody [blood@host-187-89.xdsl.telecet.ru] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:29:40 <Celestar> peter1138: you there? 06:32:15 <peter1138> Yes 06:34:40 <einKarl> cu later 06:36:04 *** einKarl [~einKarl@91-65-196-232-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:37:46 <Celestar> peter1138: I'm doing nice progress here. I might have a finished route network system by the end of the weekend, but I might/will need some assistance when it comes to saveloading 06:39:44 <Celestar> I might be finished earlier, but I'm trying to do this cleanly 06:39:55 <Celestar> we've had enough Q&D shots at the paxdest thingy imho 06:40:05 <peter1138> Q&D? 06:40:18 <peter1138> Oh 06:40:22 <peter1138> Quick and dirty... 06:42:07 <Celestar> yeah 06:42:47 *** Bloody [~blood@host-187-89.xdsl.telecet.ru] has joined #openttd 06:52:44 <Celestar> peter1138: we should also separate this whole thingy into two part 1) the graph/network (incl. pathfinding), 2) the actual cargo handling (generation, boarding, deboarding, etc) 06:55:36 <peter1138> Yes... 06:55:55 <peter1138> That is logical, but I don't know how the other patches handled them. 07:00:12 *** Osai^zZz is now known as Osai 07:01:57 <Celestar> messy? 07:05:05 <Celestar> how does one access a station's name?! 07:18:21 <Noldo> what do you have? ID? 07:18:29 <Celestar> yeah 07:20:30 <peter1138> You want its actual string? 07:21:11 <peter1138> SetDParam(0, st->index); 07:21:14 <peter1138> GetString(buf, STR_STATION, lastof(buf)); 07:21:19 <Celestar> ok. 07:21:27 <Celestar> too much for debugging output. the ID will do 07:21:32 <peter1138> Where buf is some preallocated buffer. 07:21:46 <peter1138> Not that much, and more handy than an ID. 07:22:11 <Noldo> what is index there? 07:22:40 <peter1138> st->index is station id... 07:22:45 <Noldo> ok 07:23:12 <Celestar> buf is something like char[250] ? 07:25:37 <Celestar> /home/vici/openttd/trunk/src/direction_func.h:203: multiple definition of `_routing' 07:25:41 <Celestar> station_cmd.o:/home/vici/openttd/trunk/src/track_type.h:60: first defined here 07:25:43 <Celestar> what the fuck? :P 07:30:25 <Noldo> is that a linking error 07:31:20 <Celestar> yeah 07:31:33 <Celestar> there's no variable called _routing anywhere near those lines :P 07:35:09 <Celestar> Routing_t *Routing; <= there's really a lot that can go wrong in this line, right? 07:38:26 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5768D.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 07:47:50 <Celestar> I've really fuqqed this up badly 07:47:54 <Celestar> the debugger throws errors ^^ 07:48:47 * SpComb discovers a silly bug in his code 07:49:40 <SpComb> when receiving the HTTP data into a memory buffer, I would double the size of the buffer if the new data didn't fit... but I didn't check if the new data would actually fit into the doubled buffer :P 07:50:01 <SpComb> you might need to quadruple the buffer to make it fit 07:52:02 *** GoneWacko [~foo@adsl-58.35.Static.ssp.fi] has joined #openttd 07:55:28 <Celestar> you might want to find the size first and then allocate the buffer according to it? :P 07:56:41 *** GoneWack0 [~foo@adsl-58.35.Static.ssp.fi] has joined #openttd 07:57:21 <planetmaker> morning all 07:57:53 <Celestar> peter1138: when exactly are stations allocated?! 07:58:10 *** michi_cc [692d679a0e@dude.icosahedron.de] has joined #openttd 07:58:12 *** mode/#openttd [+v michi_cc] by ChanServ 07:58:18 <Celestar> \o michi_cc 08:00:07 *** GoneWacko [~foo@adsl-58.35.Static.ssp.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:14:22 <Celestar> why are we preallocating 64 stations on game start :o 08:16:53 *** GoneWack0 is now known as GoneWacko 08:16:59 <Celestar> this is totally weird 08:18:20 <SpComb> Celestar: true, if you can depend on the HTTP server giving you a Content-Length header, libcurl probably gives you access to it 08:18:31 <SpComb> libcurl's support for receive-into-mem is kind of poor 08:19:14 <Celestar> I dunno shit about libcurl 08:19:29 * Celestar just discovered that one can type "make" from within gdb 08:21:39 *** tom0004 [~0004tom@92.5.146.78] has joined #openttd 08:28:33 *** mucht_work [~Martin@143.50.125.24] has joined #openttd 08:29:08 *** GoneWacko [~foo@adsl-58.35.Static.ssp.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:31:13 *** Noldo [vheino@jumi.lut.fi] has quit [Server closed connection] 08:38:14 *** Noldo [vheino@jumi.lut.fi] has joined #openttd 08:46:36 *** Yorick [~Y0R1CK@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 08:48:55 *** GoneWacko [~foo@adsl-58.35.Static.ssp.fi] has joined #openttd 08:54:59 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm130.epsilon123.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 09:00:16 *** mikl [~mikl@cpe.ge-0-2-0-812.0x50c774be.boanqu1.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 09:08:19 <Celestar> why is everyone quiet as hell ?:P 09:08:32 <Yorick> shh 09:10:33 <Singaporekid> :o 09:15:17 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B81211.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:16:45 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B8121D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 09:16:45 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 09:23:59 *** Zahl [~Zahl@f051108166.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 09:26:13 <Noldo> I'm actively trying to work, but failing, which makes me sad and quiet 09:27:26 <blathijs> Noldo: Work on what? 09:36:05 *** Bloody [~blood@host-187-89.xdsl.telecet.ru] has left #openttd [] 09:39:19 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.203] has quit [Server closed connection] 09:39:23 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.203] has joined #openttd 09:41:44 *** fmauNekAway is now known as fmauNeko 09:42:11 <fmauNeko> hello :) 09:46:18 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-26-82-230.nrth.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 10:04:15 *** ArmEagle [~armeagle@cc8543-a.groni1.gr.home.nl] has quit [Server closed connection] 10:04:27 *** ArmEagle [~armeagle@cc8543-a.groni1.gr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 10:06:18 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 10:08:10 *** Artamirx [~Artamirx@89.131.70.102] has joined #openttd 10:08:14 <Artamirx> hi 10:08:24 <Artamirx> someone can help me about local authority please? 10:08:29 <Artamirx> I need to disable it 10:08:29 <Artamirx> :S 10:08:53 <ln> bribe it 10:09:04 <guru3> i don't think you can disable the local authority 10:09:16 <Artamirx> I can't bribe unlimited 10:09:23 <guru3> you can set in the difficulty options before the start of a new game that they will be tollerant in their attitude towards leveliing surround mountains etc 10:09:25 <Artamirx> I think there is a patch 10:09:44 *** Digitalfox_ [~Digitalfo@bl7-183-195.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:09:46 <guru3> (lor that htey will be hostile: that's how i do it) 10:09:59 <guru3> you can also plant trees nearby to help improve their opinion of you 10:10:21 <Artamirx> mmhm 10:10:29 <Artamirx> I need to destroy a city completely 10:10:30 <Artamirx> because 10:10:42 <Artamirx> I change the buildings set 10:10:51 <Artamirx> can you understand me? :) 10:11:11 <Artamirx> I had "NA city set" and I want to have other buildings 10:11:24 <Artamirx> and the only way is rebuilding cities 10:11:26 <Artamirx> D: 10:11:27 <ln> so what you really want is nuclear weapons? 10:11:28 <guru3> i'm not sure about changing building sets while playing 10:11:31 <Artamirx> hahahahaha 10:11:33 <guru3> but wouldn't it get cycled out over time? 10:11:41 <guru3> or does it just not switch all at once 10:11:52 <Artamirx> I'm trying using the set in patch "building cities faster" 10:12:02 <Artamirx> and "disable to cities to build more roads" 10:12:03 <Artamirx> :) 10:12:31 <guru3> you could start a new game 10:12:36 <guru3> if the buildings are that important to you 10:12:42 <Artamirx> noooooooooo 10:12:49 <Artamirx> I have too much infraestructure 10:12:50 <Artamirx> in this game 10:12:55 <Artamirx> X_X 10:13:07 <guru3> well if you're focus is infrastructure 10:13:12 <guru3> the buildigns aren't really that important are they? 10:13:13 <Artamirx> aha 10:13:22 <Artamirx> are secondary 10:13:22 <Artamirx> :) 10:13:31 <Artamirx> watch my screens 10:13:36 <Artamirx> to see my infraestructure 10:13:51 <Artamirx> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=38091 10:14:34 <Yorick> the airport asfalt :) 10:14:48 <Artamirx> someone knows what I have to do to put snow in temperate climate? 10:14:58 <Artamirx> I saw some nice screens 10:15:02 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@ndb.demon.nl] has joined #openttd 10:15:11 <Artamirx> with mountains full of snow 10:15:15 <guru3> you'll never destroy all of those towns 10:15:25 <guru3> it'll take you hundreds of years and buiillions 10:16:12 <Artamirx> xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD 10:16:23 <Artamirx> I forgive the buildings better 10:16:25 <Artamirx> and snow? 10:16:25 <Artamirx> o.o 10:16:39 <Artamirx> which grf is? 10:16:53 <Artamirx> to have snowy mountains in temperate climate 10:17:25 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1EE67.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:17:31 <guru3> i don't know 10:17:52 <guru3> i haven't actively played in about 3 years really 10:18:10 <Artamirx> ok thx :) 10:18:45 <guru3> i excel merely in general transport theory 10:18:52 <Artamirx> o.0 10:19:16 <guru3> i first played the game over 10 years ago 10:19:27 <guru3> so i know how to play it very well, i just haven't done so recently 10:21:35 <guru3> don't know i fi could go doing something that detailed like that, i don't think i have the patience to completely emulate a country 10:21:43 <Artamirx> :O 10:21:46 <guru3> i prefer freestyle much more 10:21:58 <Artamirx> I emulate my conuntry 10:21:59 <Artamirx> hahah 10:22:02 <Artamirx> a part only 10:22:22 <guru3> the one thing which i would consider putting serious time into 10:22:32 <guru3> would be making a round-a-bout that worked 10:22:35 <Artamirx> :O 10:22:42 <guru3> not a 4 way junction, a true round-a-bout 10:23:00 *** rortom [~rortom@p57B7BDE6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:23:11 <planetmaker> [12:16] <Artamirx> to have snowy mountains in temperate climate <-- probably alpine climate by MB 10:23:24 <Artamirx> 0.o 10:23:36 <Artamirx> I have a grf 10:23:42 <Artamirx> named "alpine climate" 10:23:44 <Artamirx> but 10:23:51 <Artamirx> snow didn't appear 10:23:51 <Artamirx> :S 10:24:01 <planetmaker> yeah. That should do the trick. You need to set the snow heigth. Read the manual to it :) 10:24:10 <planetmaker> grf have parameters 10:24:10 <Artamirx> aha 10:24:15 <Artamirx> where is the post? 10:24:19 <Artamirx> do you have a link? 10:24:27 <Artamirx> or I have to use "search"? ^^^ 10:24:28 <planetmaker> no. Use grfcrawler 10:24:33 <Artamirx> okay 10:25:15 <Artamirx> in grfcrawler 10:25:18 <Artamirx> the link is broken 10:25:18 <Artamirx> D: 10:25:25 <planetmaker> or look for the grf package of #openttdcoop. It should come with the readmes. But if you have it, you should have the readme, too :) 10:26:02 <planetmaker> [12:25] <PublicServer> http://www.openttdcoop.org/wiki/GRF (GRFPack 7.1) 10:26:26 <guru3> ahhh i'm glad openttdcoop is prevalent 10:26:46 <planetmaker> :) 10:27:35 <Artamirx> i was sear4ching it 10:27:36 <Artamirx> thanks :D 10:28:19 <guru3> time to get back to work... cu 10:28:40 <planetmaker> [12:11] <guru3> i'm not sure about changing building sets while playing <--- that can seriously f*** up your game. 10:28:59 <planetmaker> yw 10:29:12 <Artamirx> no, I tried 10:29:22 <Artamirx> and the game normally runs 10:29:27 *** archjb [arcane@gurumeditation.68k.no] has quit [Server closed connection] 10:29:30 *** archjb [arcane@gurumeditation.68k.no] has joined #openttd 10:29:31 <Artamirx> but, buildings turn to TTD version 10:29:45 <Artamirx> and I have to destroy them and re-build 10:29:51 <planetmaker> it may work, may seem to work or crash altogether. 10:30:04 <planetmaker> Don't complain about anything later then. 10:30:21 <ln> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/07/23/enormouse/ 10:30:25 <Artamirx> hahah 10:32:24 <planetmaker> seriously. town sets have an impact on economy. Stations may stop or start to accept cargo and all kind of weired stuff 10:32:44 <planetmaker> better start a new game 10:35:11 <Artamirx> okay 10:37:08 <Artamirx> which tram set it's okay? 10:37:15 <Artamirx> actual and nice 10:38:18 <Artamirx> mmmh, supertram rocks 10:44:35 *** Yorick [~Y0R1CK@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: Poef!] 10:48:45 *** Artamirx [~Artamirx@89.131.70.102] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 10:49:34 <Celestar> peter1138: http://pastebin.com/m36e3d465 11:01:23 <rortom> morning all 11:01:50 <Celestar> hey 11:04:20 * rortom understood the grf format :D 11:04:28 <rortom> so if i may ask 11:04:35 <rortom> when are conflicting grfs not loaded? 11:04:40 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@ndb.demon.nl] has quit [Quit: brb] 11:04:44 <rortom> means when are they conflicting? 11:05:01 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 11:06:25 <Ammler> rortom: Action9/7 and then ActionB 11:06:39 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm130.epsilon123.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:06:57 *** dlunch [~dlunch@61.108.29.49] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:08:49 <Eddi|zuHause2> when the grf explicitly says so 11:09:07 *** Chrill [~chrischri@c80-216-64-31.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 11:09:09 <rortom> mhm 11:09:28 <rortom> so if i load the canadian set and then the usset, what will happen? 11:09:33 <rortom> do they overwrite? 11:10:04 <Eddi|zuHause2> depends 11:10:35 <Eddi|zuHause2> a) they can check if they are compatible with each other, then the second one gets disabled 11:11:00 <Eddi|zuHause2> b) engine pool can be enabled, then both won't affect each other [mostly] 11:11:11 <rortom> mh ok 11:11:20 <rortom> and wow, the grf stuff is complex :p 11:11:22 <Eddi|zuHause2> c) else the second one will override vehicles from the first one 11:11:32 <rortom> thanks :) 11:12:14 <Noldo> canadian set doesn't like enginepool, or is it changed? 11:12:31 <Ammler> Noldo: there is no canada set anymore :-) 11:12:42 <Eddi|zuHause2> Noldo: that version has been withdrawn 11:13:02 <rortom> :/ 11:13:04 <Ammler> !s/:-)/:-(/ 11:13:18 <rortom> what grf combination do you use on OTTD:COOP? 11:13:33 <planetmaker> I somewhat doubt that there'll be a resurrection. But hope dies last... 11:13:44 <planetmaker> rortom: depends. Each time different :) 11:14:05 <Ammler> currently the version before he coded against engine pool :-) 11:14:10 <Noldo> interesting 11:14:39 <Ammler> rortom: it is a svn repo, we have almost every version :-) 11:15:03 <planetmaker> :) ^^ the god of the grf collectors has spoken ;) 11:15:09 <rortom> oh :D 11:15:14 <rortom> access? 11:15:15 <Ammler> mÀh 11:15:46 <Eddi|zuHause2> Ammler turned into a sheep! 11:15:51 <planetmaker> [12:25] <PublicServer> http://www.openttdcoop.org/wiki/GRF (GRFPack 7.1) 11:16:04 <rortom> ah, you mean that :) 11:16:16 <rortom> thats nice :) 11:16:28 <planetmaker> there are older versions, accessible via svn... with password :P 11:16:36 <rortom> :( 11:16:54 <planetmaker> rortom: but the older, official releases are available, too 11:16:56 <rortom> so where is the current grf combination you use? 11:17:05 <rortom> ok, thanks 11:17:33 <planetmaker> http://www.openttdcoop.org/blog/public-server/ 11:17:38 <Ammler> rortom: in respect for authors, we do not allow public access to trunk 11:17:47 <rortom> aha, ok :) 11:17:52 <Ammler> actually, I am not sure, if it is closes 11:18:50 <Ammler> you should always use the newest version 11:19:05 <rortom> sure 11:19:28 <Ammler> if you need for testing purposes an older version just pm us... 11:19:34 <rortom> sure, thanks :) 11:19:48 <rortom> i want to code some crawler, so old versions would be nice :) 11:20:27 <Ammler> crawler? 11:20:36 <rortom> like the grf crawler 11:20:40 <rortom> just with live data 11:20:51 <Ammler> well, the grf crawler isn't a crawler :-) 11:20:56 <rortom> yep 11:21:02 <rortom> thats why i want to code one ;) 11:21:20 <Ammler> rortom: do you know grf2html? 11:21:29 <rortom> no? 11:21:45 <Ammler> check it, might help you too :-) 11:21:49 <rortom> *checking* 11:22:03 <rortom> urgh 11:22:05 <rortom> pascal 11:22:07 <Ammler> it might be OS, not sure 11:22:31 <Celestar> I need a book on boost 11:22:31 <Ammler> :-) 11:23:11 <rortom> so gets boost a offical dependenccy for building ottd? 11:24:39 <Celestar> rortom: it's header only 11:24:46 <Celestar> rortom: we can just ship the files we need 11:24:51 <rortom> Ammler: thanks for the tip :) 11:24:58 <rortom> yes :) 11:25:56 *** bpZero [~opera@watertownDHCP-94.216-254-228.iw.net] has joined #openttd 11:26:00 <Celestar> we *could* make paxdest optional by compile time should we have platform problems 11:28:14 *** bpZero [~opera@watertownDHCP-94.216-254-228.iw.net] has left #openttd [] 11:33:17 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@ndb.demon.nl] has joined #openttd 11:34:12 <blathijs> Celestar: Huh? What funky stuff are you doing to break paxdest on some platforms? 11:35:10 <Celestar> blathijs: I'm not. 11:35:17 <Celestar> blathijs: I'm using the boost library 11:35:21 <blathijs> Ah 11:35:27 <Celestar> which should bascially work everywhere where the stl works 11:35:39 <Celestar> i.e. any platform that contains a non-stupid C++ compiler 11:36:00 <blathijs> But we're already using STL, right? 11:36:13 <blathijs> so that shouldn't be a problem? 11:36:18 *** tom0004 [~0004tom@92.5.146.78] has quit [] 11:36:39 <blathijs> though having a --without-boost compile option would be ok, though probably pretty impossible to maintain 11:37:26 <Celestar> blathijs: it wouldn't be impossible to maintain 11:37:30 <Celestar> it'd just disable paxdest 11:37:31 *** plakkertjes [~asfasf@ip51cc357e.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined #openttd 11:37:59 <Celestar> blathijs: I'm not willing to make an implementation where paxdest are all over the place 11:39:57 *** tom0004 [~0004tom@92.5.146.78] has joined #openttd 11:46:11 <blathijs> Celestar: Perhaps not impossible, but once we start using boost for paxdest, it will probably get used in other places as well. Though we might require that code only uses boost if it can be disabled, though. 11:46:26 <blathijs> Celestar: What part of boost do you need, btw? 11:46:35 *** Gekz_ [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 11:48:05 <Celestar> blathijs: the graph 11:49:05 <blathijs> Ah, and graph reachability algorithms etc? 11:49:19 <Celestar> possibly 11:49:29 <Celestar> it has an A* and countless other algorithms implemented. 11:49:36 <Celestar> it's no good to reinvent the wheel 11:50:35 <blathijs> Isn't that what we do half of the time? :-p 11:50:59 <Celestar> well, it's not good to continue to reinvent the wheel 11:51:41 <blathijs> Just be sure that you use a wheel that fits well enough, though 11:52:03 <Ammler> if the reinvention is better? 11:52:18 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:53:16 <blathijs> Because half of the time existing wheels turn out to not fit well enough once you start using it more, and in the other half of the time the wheel is so flexible with connection options for so many different types of carts that your cart will hardly move because the wheel is so heavy 11:53:33 <blathijs> But, you can always invent a new wheel when that happens :-p 11:53:34 <Progman> shouldn't the svn:ignore property of trunk/bin/scenario/heightmap/ contains "*.png"? 11:53:56 <Noldo> I think it's a good idea to use BGL for now 11:54:02 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 11:54:05 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 11:54:08 *** Mark [~M4rk@5351EE62.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:54:28 <Noldo> later if it feels too heavy you can replace it, but then you know which features and parts of it you really need 11:54:53 <Noldo> and you propably have somewhat clean interface 11:57:21 <Celestar> I somehow need to map the route to the vehicles 11:57:30 <Celestar> because a route can be served by many vehicles 11:57:46 <Celestar> and I can only delete the route if the last vehicles has been removed 11:58:16 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:59:08 *** Lachie [whitey@creep.bur.st] has joined #openttd 11:59:13 <Celestar> peter1138: I require your assistance 12:01:39 * SpComb is very afraid of C++ 12:01:44 <SpComb> haet haet 12:02:10 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Server closed connection] 12:02:23 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 12:02:26 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:04:18 <Celestar> SpComb: ? 12:05:06 <glx> Celestar: can't you use the orders as an order is deleted when no vehicle use it 12:07:11 *** Klanticus [~Klanticus@189-68-38-242.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #openttd 12:07:34 * Celestar thinks about what glx said 12:07:59 <Celestar> do we have something like and OrderID? 12:08:38 <Celestar> I somehow need to identify the route with a vehicle 12:08:43 <Celestar> and preferably not by pointers 12:09:01 <Celestar> because pointers in pools tend to move around 12:09:09 <Eddi|zuHause2> vehicle id? 12:09:20 <Celestar> that's what I'm planning at the moment, Eddi|zuHause2 12:12:58 <Eddi|zuHause2> hm... i have a feature request... cities that expand into villages should "consume" them [make them also cities] 12:13:17 <Eddi|zuHause2> (like they become suburbs 12:13:38 *** M4rk [~M4rk@5351EE62.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 12:13:42 *** M4rk is now known as Mark 12:14:46 <glx> Celestar: yes we have OrderID 12:27:10 <Celestar> glx: k. I'll see what is easier 12:27:46 *** Mark [~M4rk@5351EE62.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Server closed connection] 12:28:00 <Celestar> glx: I hope the OrderID of an order does NEVER change in the course of a game 12:28:16 *** Mark [~M4rk@5351EE62.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 12:28:19 *** Mark is now known as M4rk 12:28:21 *** M4rk is now known as Mark 12:28:27 <glx> it's the ID in the pool order 12:28:35 <Celestar> so it's fixed 12:28:38 <glx> yes 12:28:49 <glx> like VehicleID 12:30:19 <Celestar> good 12:30:22 <Celestar> using that then 12:30:26 <Celestar> not worry about shared vehicles 12:33:29 <Celestar> hmpf 12:34:03 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@ndb.demon.nl] has quit [Quit: Wezz6400] 12:36:47 <Celestar> I can safely assume that sizeof(size_t) > sizeof(OrderID) right? 12:38:04 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@ndb.demon.nl] has joined #openttd 12:40:07 <SpComb> C++ is big, complicated and ugly 12:40:37 <Celestar> SpComb: heh 12:40:52 <Celestar> implementing paxdest in C will be bigger, more complicated and uglier, trust me 12:40:53 <Celestar> .. 12:41:02 <Celestar> ...(I never thought I'd ever say that) 12:41:46 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@ndb.demon.nl] has quit [] 12:42:18 <SpComb> I'm just more familiar with pretty C code than with any C++ code 12:42:40 <SpComb> and so far my impression of the C++ code in OpenTTD is pretty bad, but that's mostly because it's been hacked into a C codebase 12:47:34 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-119-5.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 12:49:00 <Celestar> my routing code is pure C++ :D 12:49:27 <rortom> :D 13:07:33 *** DJNekkid [~chatzilla@static128-249.adsl.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:10:30 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r13796 /trunk/src/network/network_gui.cpp: -Fix [FS#2161]: one couldn't start the last scenario in the "start server window"'s list of scenarios. 13:16:18 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: glx * r13797 /trunk/src/lang/english.txt: -Fix [FS#2160](r13715): crash when displaying save/load errors 13:16:40 *** SmatZ [~SmatZ@members.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Server closed connection] 13:17:03 *** SmatZ [~SmatZ@members.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 13:21:45 *** nekx [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 13:29:20 <Celestar> the people in #boost are anything but helpful :S 13:29:46 *** Yorick [~Y0R1CK@82-171-194-232.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 13:32:32 <rortom> whats your problem? 13:33:03 <Celestar> rortom: I'm not getting edge_range to work 13:33:11 <Celestar> it's not happy with my parameters 13:33:38 <Celestar> rortom: neither is edge() 13:33:44 *** mikl [~mikl@cpe.ge-0-2-0-812.0x50c774be.boanqu1.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: mikl] 13:33:54 <Celestar> remove_edge(), which takes the same parameters, works nicely 13:36:12 <Progman> how to check in c if a string ends with ".png"? 13:36:16 <Celestar> sometimes I love gcc error messages: http://pastebin.com/m415911eb 13:36:32 <Eddi|zuHause2> anyone ever thought the pauli principle might be a good way to assign vehicles to road stops? :p 13:37:01 <ln> the what? 13:37:02 <Rubidium> return strlen(str) > 4 && strcmp(str[strlen(str) - 4], ".png") == 0; (ugly though) 13:37:33 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-152-106.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 13:39:53 <Eddi|zuHause2> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pauli_exclusion_principle 13:40:52 <Progman> not working :(, invalid conversion from 'char' to 'const char*' 13:41:52 *** Yorick [~Y0R1CK@82-171-194-232.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:41:54 *** Yorick_ [~Y0R1CK@82-171-194-232.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 13:41:56 *** Yorick_ is now known as Yorick 13:42:32 <Eddi|zuHause2> well... if there were a regexp lib, you could search for .png$ :p 13:46:10 *** SmatZ [~SmatZ@members.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Server closed connection] 13:46:32 *** SmatZ [~SmatZ@members.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 13:48:00 *** DJNekkid [~chatzilla@static217-26.adsl.no] has joined #openttd 13:48:14 *** Sheepy [~maeh@p5B296B9B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:48:32 *** DJNekkid [~chatzilla@static217-26.adsl.no] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:48:46 *** DJNekkid [~chatzilla@static217-26.adsl.no] has joined #openttd 13:49:26 <Eddi|zuHause2> or in python you could say str.endswith(".png") :p 13:50:08 <Eddi|zuHause2> let's rewrite openttd in python! :p 13:50:17 <Yorick> Eddi: #openttd-python? 13:50:42 <Yorick> I thought so ^^ 13:51:51 <Eddi|zuHause2> Yorick: why would i conciously enter a channel where you have op? 13:52:48 <Yorick> because you wanted to rewrite openttd in python and I'm currently doing so? 13:53:47 *** Doorslammer|BRSet [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-144-134-197-42.prem.tmns.net.au] has joined #openttd 13:53:48 *** nekx [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:53:52 *** nekx [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 13:54:32 <Eddi|zuHause2> because i made a joke and you took it seriously? 13:55:42 <Yorick> we started before your joke 13:56:21 <Lachie> look up with ur scriptz 13:56:23 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm130.epsilon123.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 13:56:26 <Lachie> *good luck 13:56:32 <Lachie> umm 13:56:46 <Lachie> I don't even know how that failure of typing occured 13:56:57 <Eddi|zuHause2> Yorick: a) i know that, and b) that horrifies me even more 13:57:21 <Eddi|zuHause2> Lachie: common typo :p 13:57:22 <Celestar> where's peter1138 ? 13:57:53 <Lachie> Eddi|zuHause2: ofcourse it is xD 13:58:22 <Eddi|zuHause2> Lachie: the proper response is "the keys are right next to each other" :p 13:58:41 <Celestar> heh. 13:58:43 <Lachie> that was my thought, but it was too cliche 13:58:53 <Celestar> I can already set up a route network and only needs 200 lines of code (= 13:59:14 <Lachie> since "good luck" from "look up" isn't quite the similarity between "YOU ALL SUCK DICK" and "hi." 13:59:52 <hylje> not at all 14:00:01 <Lachie> lol 14:01:25 * Lachie bed 14:03:27 *** nkx [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 14:03:27 *** nekx [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:04:38 *** nekx [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 14:04:39 *** nkx [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:05:11 <Celestar> GNAH 14:05:41 *** Yorick [~Y0R1CK@82-171-194-232.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Quit: ReconnectingâŠ] 14:05:46 *** Yorick_ [~Y0R1CK@82-171-194-232.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 14:05:48 *** Yorick_ is now known as Yorick 14:09:36 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: truebrain * r13798 /branches/noai/ (5 files in 2 dirs): [NoAI] -Add: AIEngine.IsBigPlane() (Yexo) (no, we really talk about airplanes) 14:10:06 *** Sheepy [~maeh@p5B296B9B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Sheepy] 14:13:22 *** wao_ [israel@psybnc.sk] has quit [Server closed connection] 14:13:26 *** wao [israel@psybnc.sk] has joined #openttd 14:14:07 *** Marduuhin [~mardo4@84-50-165-161-dsl.rgu.estpak.ee] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:15:18 *** Marduuhin [~mardo4@84.86.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee] has joined #openttd 14:17:40 <Sacro> @seen dominik87 14:17:40 <DorpsGek> Sacro: I have not seen dominik87. 14:17:44 <Sacro> @seen domini 14:17:44 <DorpsGek> Sacro: I have not seen domini. 14:17:48 <Sacro> @seen dom* 14:17:48 <DorpsGek> Sacro: Dominik was last seen in #openttd 3 weeks, 6 days, 0 hours, 9 minutes, and 40 seconds ago: <Dominik> our scummvm god! 14:19:18 <Yorick> h was talking about Ludde 14:21:32 <Sacro> @seen ludde 14:21:32 <DorpsGek> Sacro: ludde was last seen in #openttd 28 weeks, 0 days, 17 hours, 57 minutes, and 41 seconds ago: <ludde> :) 14:21:49 <Celestar> WTH? ludde and dominik were here? 14:21:55 <Eddi|zuHause2> 28 weeks later... 14:24:30 <glx> Celestar: dominik is porting OTTD to DS 14:24:36 <Eddi|zuHause2> Celestar: yeah, ludde was somewhat bored after he sold µtorrent, so he checked out what was going on here ;) 14:25:22 <Celestar> heh :D 14:25:51 <rortom> lol 14:26:07 <blathijs> Is that the same dominik then? 14:26:15 <Eddi|zuHause2> yes 14:27:22 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 14:28:03 *** Klanticus [~Klanticus@189-68-38-242.dsl.telesp.net.br] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:28:08 *** Klanticus [~Klanticus@189-68-38-242.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #openttd 14:35:36 <glx> but dominik first came using another nick 14:36:14 *** Bloody [blood@host-187-89.xdsl.telecet.ru] has joined #openttd 14:39:46 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm130.epsilon123.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Server closed connection] 14:39:58 <ln> are we talking about dominik81? 14:40:01 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm130.epsilon123.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 14:47:46 *** nekx [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Server closed connection] 14:48:02 *** nekx [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 14:49:51 *** SpComb [terom@zapotek.paivola.fi] has joined #openttd 14:52:35 *** einKarl [~einKarl@91-65-196-232-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 14:54:58 *** wao [israel@psybnc.sk] has quit [Server closed connection] 14:54:59 *** wao [israel@psybnc.sk] has joined #openttd 14:57:22 *** Marduuhin [~mardo4@84.86.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee] has quit [Server closed connection] 14:57:55 *** Marduuhin [~mardo4@84.86.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee] has joined #openttd 14:59:34 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: glx * r13799 /trunk/src/lang/ (36 files): -Fix (r13730): {RAW_STRING} should be used in english.txt only 15:00:05 <Celestar> peter1138: status report: Setting up the route network works nicely, removing mostly. I've now got to skip at least non-station orders. I'm not here tomorrow so it'll be friday 15:00:13 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-119-5.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:02:24 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: smatz * r13800 /trunk/src/misc_gui.cpp: -Codechange: minor comment style fixes in misc_gui.cpp 15:03:01 <planetmaker> whooo. The next 100 commits done :) 15:04:01 <Ammler> SmatZ: only style fixes or adding the station grf infos? 15:04:24 <SmatZ> only comment style fixes 15:04:27 <SmatZ> long story... 15:14:18 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A5D2A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:15:03 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@user-54418bdb.lns1-c7.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 15:17:39 *** Tim [~Tim@p5B37D867.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:17:47 <Tim> Hello everyone! 15:17:50 *** Purno [~Purno@5350931D.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 15:18:30 <SmatZ> hello Tim 15:18:42 *** Yorick [~Y0R1CK@82-171-194-232.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Quit: ReconnectingâŠ] 15:18:50 *** Yorick_ [~Y0R1CK@82-171-194-232.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 15:18:52 *** Yorick_ is now known as Yorick 15:20:19 <Tim> I have a question... I want to edit my .grfs via the config file and not the iname menu, as i want to be able to a) categorize them into groups like OpenGFX, ECSVectors, Trainsets etc. and b) don't want to add and remove them everytime via the ingame-menu, which takes quite some time. Now my question: How can i "disable" grfs in the cfg file without deleting them? There probably is a kind "comment-symbol", which leads to the game to not read what stan 15:21:08 <Ammler> ";" or "#" 15:21:14 *** nekx [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:21:24 *** nekx [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 15:21:26 <Tim> okay 15:21:27 <Ammler> but be aware of that ottd writes the config back after closing 15:21:38 <Tim> argh -.- 15:21:49 <Ammler> you could start ottd with -x 15:22:07 <Ammler> with which version do you play? 15:22:13 <Tim> latest nightly... 15:22:25 <Tim> Just played on your server :P 15:23:01 <Tim> And what does -x do? Prevent the config file to be overwritten? 15:23:07 <Ammler> Tim: well, our server doesn't use the latest :-) 15:23:19 <Tim> *almost* latest ;) 15:23:21 <Ammler> but the latest nightly has presets, which rocks. 15:24:11 <Tim> aah 15:24:15 <Tim> just reading it... 15:24:22 <Tim> -Feature: NewGRF presets, selected by a drop down list in the NewGRF window. Presets are saved in the config file. 15:24:29 <Ammler> where? 15:24:34 *** Bloody [blood@host-187-89.xdsl.telecet.ru] has quit [Server closed connection] 15:24:45 <Tim> changes.log 15:24:50 <Ammler> ok :-) 15:25:31 <Tim> Hm, however it sounds not like the ultimate solution... I'd like an option to add a bunch of grf-files to my already selected ones, like all of the opengfx grfs 15:25:33 <Ammler> I guess, you can then save your settings in a preset group 15:25:37 <Tim> or remove them... 15:25:57 <Ammler> and copy&paste them up 15:26:19 <Ammler> that might be possible already before presets, btw... 15:26:32 *** nekx [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:26:46 *** nekx [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 15:26:51 <Tim> testing... 15:27:12 <Ammler> create a goup [mynewgrflist] and c&p it to [newgrf] 15:27:39 <Brianetta> Somebody on the coop server is desyncing 15:28:31 <Tim> So i can add a group [OpenGFX] followed by the grfs, and then one [ECSVectors] etc, and those won't be overwritten? 15:29:06 <Yexo> Tim: they'll only be overwritten if you save over them in the gui 15:29:35 <Ammler> Yexo: are you sure? 15:29:47 <Yexo> not 100% :) 15:29:55 <Ammler> openttd does only delete goups which are known. 15:30:17 <Brianetta> [autopilot] sections have never been deleted by openttd 15:30:20 <Ammler> as autopilot couldn't use the cfg too. 15:30:39 <Yorick> Ammler: I don't think it deletes anything... 15:30:47 <Yexo> so them I was right, as long as you use section names OpenTTD doesn't konw about 15:30:51 <Tim> True, i also have a group [sharing] in my cfg 15:31:02 <Ammler> so if you create a group [OpenGFX], that shouldn't be touched. 15:31:04 <Yexo> Yorick: IIRC it deletes some old groups, when you update 15:31:23 <Ammler> sadly 15:31:48 <Ammler> that breaks usage of the cfg for different versions. 15:31:50 <DJNekkid> train documentary on Discovery Channel! 15:32:01 *** nekx [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:32:11 *** nekx [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 15:33:49 <Brianetta> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7eBkvQNEaU 15:34:00 <Brianetta> Train documentary on Youtube (: 15:34:56 <DJNekkid> lol 15:35:39 <Yorick> train documentary on openttd while playing! 15:36:08 <Brianetta> I get a warm feeling whenever I fire up OpenTTD 15:36:17 <SmatZ> :-) 15:36:41 <SmatZ> Brianetta: sign of addiction 15:36:54 <Brianetta> I can handle it 15:37:09 <SmatZ> everyone says that :-) 15:37:14 <Brianetta> I'm going to a help group on the 9th 15:37:20 <Brianetta> in Leicester Square 15:37:40 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: skidd13 * r13801 /trunk/ (Makefile.in config.lib): 15:37:40 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: -Add: further configuration options to make packaging more union 15:37:40 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: -Add: Unix man file gets now installed if necessary 15:38:08 <Brianetta> That Youtube link, btw, is good 15:38:21 <DJNekkid> ill see it in aprox 20 mins :) 15:39:47 <Tim> Can i name my grf files like i want, or will they then not be found if i try connect to a server? 15:40:13 <planetmaker> do as you like, Tim 15:40:26 <planetmaker> md5sum matters 15:40:27 <Brianetta> You can rename them, or put them in sub-folders 15:40:37 <Brianetta> It'll find them if they're unaltered 15:40:39 <Tim> That's good to know 15:42:23 *** nekx [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:48:22 *** Chrill is now known as Llirhc 15:48:37 *** Llirhc is now known as Chrill 15:50:58 *** Marduuhin [~mardo4@84.86.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee] has quit [Server closed connection] 15:51:31 *** Marduuhin [~mardo4@84.86.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee] has joined #openttd 15:52:34 <DJNekkid> could it be better? A cap on my lap, along with a laptop, and a steamer documentary 15:53:13 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: skidd13 * r13802 /trunk/config.lib: -Fix(r13801): a few small typos 15:53:23 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@5350C1D1.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 15:58:01 *** Yorick [~Y0R1CK@82-171-194-232.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Quit: PoefietiePoef!] 15:58:28 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm130.epsilon123.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:02:12 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A5D2A.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 16:02:21 <Ammler> how do I commit something, if I get a "C" on svn st 16:03:05 <Ammler> (there is no -force or such?) 16:03:12 <Rubidium> fix the conflict and then tell svn you resolved the conflict 16:03:34 <Ammler> Rubidium: I have fixed, how do I tell, that I did? 16:03:46 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fcd23.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 16:03:46 <SmatZ> svn resolved 16:03:55 <DaleStan> or svn help 16:04:20 <Ammler> yeah 16:04:22 <Ammler> thanks 16:07:17 *** GoneWacko [~foo@adsl-58.35.Static.ssp.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:08:17 <Ammler> Rubidium: sorry, that was obivous. 16:09:14 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1EE67.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:12:32 *** Klanticus [~Klanticus@189-68-38-242.dsl.telesp.net.br] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:13:06 *** Klanticus [~Klanticus@189-68-38-242.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #openttd 16:14:58 *** Tim [~Tim@p5B37D867.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Server closed connection] 16:16:22 *** Klanticus [~Klanticus@189-68-38-242.dsl.telesp.net.br] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:17:29 *** tom0004 [~0004tom@92.5.146.78] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:17:41 *** tom0004 [~0004tom@92.5.146.78] has joined #openttd 16:18:55 *** bowman [johanf@81-226-229-179-no59.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Server closed connection] 16:18:59 *** bowman [johanf@81-226-229-179-no59.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 16:27:55 *** Netsplit over, joins: Chrill, mikegrb 16:27:55 *** Netsplit resistance.oftc.net <-> charon.oftc.net, osmotic.oftc.net quits: Zealotus, Ammler, bleepy, Priski, TheMask97, Zorn, caladan, plakkertjes, elmex, jni, (+31 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 16:28:01 *** Netsplit over, joins: Prof_Frink, Lakie, XeryusTC, @peter1138, thgergo, plakkertjes, valhallasw, Zorn, elmex, ben_goodger (+36 more) 16:28:10 *** mode/#openttd [+v Rubidium] by ChanServ 16:30:23 *** KillaloT [~killalot@0x5738ccb5.rdnqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 16:44:23 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: skidd13 * r13803 /trunk/ (Makefile.in config.lib): -Fix(r13801): Copy & paste mistakes 16:51:29 *** grumbel [~grumbel@i577AD2B0.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 16:52:32 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: skidd13 * r13804 /trunk/config.lib: -Fix(r13801): a search after remove should help to find missed incarnations 16:53:33 *** Doorslammer|BRSet [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-144-134-197-42.prem.tmns.net.au] has quit [] 16:54:10 *** LilDood [~IceChat7@cpc2-bolt5-0-0-cust370.manc.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 16:54:35 *** Tim [~Tim@p5B37D867.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:58:33 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-26-82-230.nrth.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 16:59:12 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: skidd13 * r13805 /trunk/Makefile.in: -Fix(r13801): Missed a replacement 17:00:11 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:04:12 <Eddi|zuHause2> hm... i'm missing a tank wagon 17:05:06 <Eddi|zuHause2> i only have the 60km/h one, not the 80km/h 17:06:48 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host107-16-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 17:08:45 <Wolf01> olleh 17:09:25 *** rortom [~rortom@p57B7BDE6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 17:09:59 <ln> oaic 17:11:46 *** fmauNeko is now known as fmauNekAway 17:11:59 *** fmauNekAway is now known as fmauNeko 17:13:47 <Wolf01> troper gub a evah i 17:13:50 <Wolf01> hmmm 17:14:01 <Wolf01> i have a bug report 17:14:15 <Wolf01> (reverse mode was on) 17:15:02 <Wolf01> I have a lot of grfs loaded, so I don't know if the savegame is really useful 17:15:27 <Wolf01> but if you want I can tell you how to replicate the bug 17:15:51 <Wolf01> I'll post on flyspray 17:15:58 <ln> does anyone want to know? 17:16:36 <Ammler> Wolf01: aren't you able to reproduce on a new "empty" map? 17:17:19 <Wolf01> maybe 17:19:22 <Eddi|zuHause2> ahh... it comes out only in 1940, not 1930 like the others... 17:19:23 <Wolf01> the bug consist in: stop a train engine in the middle of the X of a junction and all trains waiting at red double signals will reverse 17:19:31 <Eddi|zuHause2> whose idea was that?! 17:20:26 <Ammler> Wolf01: isn't it intended? 17:20:42 <Rubidium> two_way_eol? 17:21:06 <Wolf01> eh, no, because if you stop the engine just after or before the center of the X it works normally 17:21:09 <Rubidium> Wolf01: I reckon you're using YAPF 17:26:00 <Wolf01> ok, also with a clean openttd.cfg it happen 17:27:23 <Rubidium> I reckon it's pf.yapf.first_red_twoway_eol that's causing it 17:30:37 <Wolf01> but it doesn't happen if you stop the engine in another position always in the same junction 17:30:55 <frosch123> yes, it must be the engine 17:32:57 <SmatZ> trains reverse when there is another train waiting at the other side of twoway signal 17:33:03 <SmatZ> maybe this detection is broken 17:33:11 <Wolf01> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/2162 17:33:11 <SmatZ> but I am afraid I don't understand you full 17:33:14 <SmatZ> y 17:33:23 <frosch123> the problem is, the detection does not consider the orientation of the other train 17:34:20 <SmatZ> CheckVehicleAtSignal() 17:34:22 <frosch123> when you stop train #1 on the X junction, train #2 thinks the #1 is waiting in front of the signal 17:35:15 <SmatZ> if (diff == DIRDIFF_90RIGHT || (v->cur_speed <= 5 && diff <= DIRDIFF_REVERSE)) return v; 17:35:17 <SmatZ> yeah 17:36:05 <SmatZ> simply check TileOffsBy ... Track and Direction 17:36:14 <SmatZ> however is that function called 17:36:37 <SmatZ> if next tile for incoming train is the same tile with that signal 17:36:52 <SmatZ> anyone is going to fix that? 17:37:02 <SmatZ> btw it could also check v->owner 17:37:10 <Rubidium> SmatZ: you? 17:37:22 <SmatZ> Rubidium: if anyone else isn't, then I am :) 17:50:11 <SmatZ> hmm CheckVehicleAtSignal() isn't working perfectly with wormholes and depots 17:52:33 <Eddi|zuHause2> hm... i'm afraid that was a train too much for my single track branch line... 17:52:39 <Eddi|zuHause2> i need shunting... 17:53:22 <Wolf01> I need to remove AI unused roads without cheating 17:53:52 <Yexo> without cheating <- why without cheating? 17:54:14 <Eddi|zuHause2> Wolf01: buy them out ;) 17:54:55 *** Yorick [~Y0R1CK@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 17:56:42 <Ammler> Eddi|zuHause2: are your maps downloadable btw.? 17:56:53 <Eddi|zuHause2> why would they? 17:57:09 <Ammler> well, you have some nice sceneries sometimes :-) 17:57:22 <Eddi|zuHause2> you would have nothing to load them anyway 18:05:06 <Wolf01> Eddi, no! I don't want their crappy roads, only remove them :D 18:11:19 <SmatZ> http://devs.openttd.org/~smatz/fs2162a.diff FS#2162 ... 18:12:31 <Eddi|zuHause2> where would i start to look for the line that removes cargo from a station when it waits too long? 18:13:11 <Rubidium> in cargopacket.h 18:13:12 <frosch123> go to station_base.h, look where the rating for the cargo is stored, and grep for that 18:13:29 <Eddi|zuHause2> no, not the rating 18:16:26 <Eddi|zuHause2> void UpdateCargoStatus(Station *st, CargoID cargo_type) <- that might sound interesting 18:16:47 <Eddi|zuHause2> no... 18:16:53 <Rubidium> I'd say CargoList::Truncate is more interesting 18:16:56 <Eddi|zuHause2> that's about the destinations it appears 18:20:40 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 18:21:16 <Eddi|zuHause2> (rating -= 90, waiting > 1500) || <-- what happened to if()? 18:23:04 <frosch123> never look at DrawTrackBits :p 18:23:14 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause2: not needed 18:23:32 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: smatz * r13806 /trunk/src/train_cmd.cpp: -Fix [FS#2162]: checking for train waiting at other side of two-way signal was broken 18:23:44 <Eddi|zuHause2> frosch123: i'm afraid i have already done this in the past :p 18:26:59 <Yorick> SmatZ: define 'other side', please 18:27:32 <SmatZ> Yorick: ? 18:27:43 <Yorick> ": could you" 18:27:54 <Yorick> other side of two-way signal was broken 18:28:03 <SmatZ> Yorick: sorry I don't understand what you don't understand 18:28:09 <SmatZ> maybe I missed "the" :-x 18:28:10 <Yorick> ah, that way 18:28:22 <Yorick> I understand now :) 18:28:24 <SmatZ> :) 18:30:03 *** LilDood [~IceChat7@cpc2-bolt5-0-0-cust370.manc.cable.ntl.com] has left #openttd [] 18:34:46 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1EE67.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:35:31 *** Yexo_ [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 18:35:37 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:35:41 *** Yexo_ is now known as yexo 18:38:11 *** yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:41:39 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r13807 /trunk/src/group_cmd.cpp: -Fix: memory leak when loading groups. 18:48:32 *** yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 18:48:42 *** tom0004 [~0004tom@92.5.146.78] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:56:56 *** yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:56:56 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:56:57 *** Yexo_ [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 18:57:05 *** Yexo_ is now known as Yexo 19:00:09 *** tom0004 [~0004tom@92.5.146.78] has joined #openttd 19:01:26 *** zooks [~zooks@adsl-dc-2504c.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 19:01:46 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:03:36 *** Klanticus [~Klanticus@201-43-56-55.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #openttd 19:08:49 <Eddi|zuHause2> "warning: suggest parentheses around && within ||" <- who enabled that kind of warning? 19:09:04 <ln> not me 19:09:20 <Rubidium> gcc? 19:10:38 <Rubidium> we haven't explicitly enabled it 19:10:39 <Eddi|zuHause2> gcc 4.3 i think 19:11:00 <Eddi|zuHause2> > gcc --version 19:11:01 <Eddi|zuHause2> gcc (SUSE Linux) 4.3.1 20080507 (prerelease) [gcc-4_3-branch revision 135036] 19:11:02 *** plakkertjes [~asfasf@ip51cc357e.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:14:24 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 19:20:49 *** bowman [johanf@81-226-229-179-no59.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:20:53 *** bowman [johanf@81-226-229-179-no59.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 19:21:40 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 19:23:09 *** Yorick [~Y0R1CK@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: Poef] 19:26:17 *** Purno [~Purno@5350931D.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:28:20 *** Klanticus_ [~Klanticus@189.35.184.72] has joined #openttd 19:32:03 *** Klanticus [~Klanticus@201-43-56-55.dsl.telesp.net.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:38:41 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: truebrain * r13808 /branches/noai/ (5 files in 2 dirs): [NoAI] -Fix: cleanup AIAirport a bit by introducing IsValidAirportType (Yexo) 19:40:35 *** zooks [~zooks@adsl-dc-2504c.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has left #openttd [] 19:50:42 *** _Andel_ [~andel@owenrudge.net] has joined #openttd 19:51:01 *** _Andel_ [~andel@owenrudge.net] has left #openttd [] 20:00:33 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:00:43 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 20:02:39 *** Lakie is now known as Lakie` 20:02:41 *** Lakie` is now known as Lakie 20:13:45 *** fjb [~frank@p5485FFB8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:13:52 <fjb> Hello 20:15:06 <Chrill> jellu 20:17:58 *** nicfer [~Administr@168.226.106.244] has joined #openttd 20:20:07 <nicfer> is there a separate channel for opengfx+ 20:20:14 <nicfer> opengfx?* 20:20:50 <nicfer> or it's OK to talk about it here? 20:22:32 <Yexo> afaik, there is no seperate channel for it 20:22:41 <Eddi|zuHause2> i have never heard of one 20:22:52 <Eddi|zuHause2> and they are too dark 20:22:54 <Tim> And since not much is happening here, i guess you can talk about it :D 20:25:39 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@78-21-228-27.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 20:26:50 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@78-21-228-27.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 20:28:36 *** Yexo_ [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 20:28:46 *** Yexo is now known as Guest1002 20:28:46 *** Yexo_ is now known as Yexo 20:28:47 *** Guest1002 [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:29:12 <ln> so, proceed 20:36:02 <Tim> I like the graphics, well, except for a few. 20:40:45 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fcd23.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:42:35 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r13809 /trunk/src/ai/ai.cpp: -Fix: memory leak each time a "new ai" got (re)started. 20:44:28 <ln> please state the nature of the medical emergency 20:45:36 <Rubidium> I get depressed when a savegame with opengfx landscape gets loaded 20:46:15 <ln> sounds bad 20:46:28 <ln> can we have a screenshot of opengfx landscape? 20:47:53 *** GoneWacko [GoneWacko@86-60-147-155-dyn-dsl.ssp.fi] has joined #openttd 20:49:47 <Eddi|zuHause2> fjb had some, i believe 20:50:10 <fjb> Who? Me? What? 20:50:27 *** Klanticus_ [~Klanticus@189.35.184.72] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:51:18 <Eddi|zuHause2> yes 20:53:26 <fjb> The fields are too dark: http://www.myimg.de/?img=BergTal17Aug19566d1c9.png 20:53:28 *** bowman [johanf@81-226-229-179-no59.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:53:31 *** bowman [johanf@81-226-229-179-no59.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 20:54:16 *** Bloody [blood@host-187-89.xdsl.telecet.ru] has joined #openttd 20:55:06 *** bowman^2 [johanf@81-226-229-179-no59.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 20:55:07 <fjb> And I'm missing the bales of straw. 20:55:07 *** bowman [johanf@81-226-229-179-no59.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:55:12 <Eddi|zuHause2> the grass is also too dark, and the track base... 20:58:03 *** nekx [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 20:58:58 *** bowman^2 [johanf@81-226-229-179-no59.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [] 20:59:29 <Tim> Well, at first sight it looked ugly to me, too, but if you play a little bit with it, you'll love it :) 21:00:13 <Tim> http://img293.imageshack.us/my.php?image=unbenanntto6.png 21:02:21 *** Bloody [blood@host-187-89.xdsl.telecet.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:04:58 <fjb> http://www.myimg.de/?img=NorthernInc12Feb198655232.png 21:08:31 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:08:46 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 21:10:44 <nicfer> the full opengfx pak is outdated, could I update it from scratch? 21:12:34 *** KritiK [~Maxim@93-80-84-9.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 21:15:30 <Tim> Well, it would be really cool if you could update it and find out which of the smaller .grfs (eg newBuoys or Transmitter) are included in big grfs like landscape or terrain etc... 21:16:31 <fjb> They are already included. 21:17:11 <Tim> those were examples, there are a lot of those... 21:21:36 *** Tim [~Tim@p5B37D867.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:22:12 *** Gekz_ [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:26:39 <Ammler> hmm, it isn't outdated 21:27:06 <Ammler> it does just miss the newest 3 grfs, like houses, ships and bridges. 21:27:28 <Ammler> or do I miss something? 21:29:43 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 21:35:56 *** bowman [johanf@81-226-229-179-no59.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 21:39:10 *** Avokid [miccoh@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe76f900-128.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 21:43:26 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r13810 /trunk/src/ (fileio.cpp tar_type.h): -Fix: small memory leak when tar files would be found. 21:50:58 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-26-82-230.nrth.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 21:51:45 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r13811 /branches/0.6/ (9 files in 4 dirs): 21:51:45 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: [0.6] -Backport from trunk: 21:51:45 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: - Fix: Several minor memory leaks. 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