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00:07:02 <Wolf01> 'night 00:07:09 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host245-236-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 00:16:41 *** Pikka [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has quit [] 00:22:48 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-27-115-128.bmly.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 00:22:52 <Brianetta> Please assess for comedy value: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=39161&p=723503#p723503 00:24:42 *** davis- [~asd@dtmd-4db23c0a.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:24:44 <Gekz> +1 Informative 00:32:11 <Brianetta> (: 00:32:17 <Brianetta> It shouldn't be informative 00:32:28 <Brianetta> It should be "-1 stating the bloody obvious" 00:32:33 <Brianetta> alas it seems I'm not 00:32:48 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B76FE4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 00:33:26 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B755DA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:40:13 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:50:31 *** Lachie [whitey@creep.bur.st] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:59:56 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has quit [Quit: ecke] 01:01:52 *** svippery [~svip@0x50a5b150.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 01:01:52 *** svippy [~svip@0x50a5b150.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:17:19 *** roboboy [3aad2910@67.207.141.120] has joined #openttd 01:25:47 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-27-115-128.bmly.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 01:38:35 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has joined #openttd 01:45:22 *** Sir-Bob [~chatzilla@c122-107-227-146.eburwd5.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:06:08 <fmauNekAway> gn8 02:17:35 <Belugas> MMH... 02:17:51 <Belugas> i THINK i have the solution, Phantasm 02:18:39 <Phantasm> You do? ;P 02:19:36 <Belugas> yup 02:19:49 <Phantasm> So, what is it? 02:20:03 <Belugas> the main problem is that i was too concetrated on the montly process of industries 02:20:32 <Belugas> so, at each month's end, ususally, the process of industries take place 02:20:48 <Belugas> where the creation as well as the destruction are happening 02:21:19 <Belugas> so, one of my biggest fears was that thecreations would eventually be too much to ask 02:21:32 <Belugas> and the system would crawl to a stale 02:21:57 <Belugas> so instead, i'll run the creations each day, but in smaller numbers 02:22:21 <Phantasm> Indeed. 02:28:33 <Belugas> hehehe... i just need to get a good algo regarding numbers to handle per days now :D 02:29:03 <Belugas> 'cause with the quick test i hacked, my poor 64*64 game will be over crownded in a month ^_^ 02:29:55 <Phantasm> Heh. 02:30:24 <Phantasm> With once a day, the percentage newer goes above 100%, so you can just play with percentage. 02:30:29 <Belugas> and indeed, the engine has not slowed down enough to be noticable 02:30:46 <Belugas> exact 02:31:01 <Belugas> but it's still a long way to go 02:31:12 <Belugas> but now, i do have a line to follow ^_^ 02:31:16 <Phantasm> :) 02:35:49 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 02:44:03 *** reldred is now known as reldred|gone 02:55:11 *** elmex [~elmex@e180064168.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:59:15 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host86-153-45-29.range86-153.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 03:15:18 *** roboboy [3aad2910@67.207.141.120] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 03:19:06 *** Tefad [~tefad@c-75-75-0-69.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:19:23 *** Tefad [~tefad@c-75-75-0-69.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 03:30:44 *** Sacro [Ben@adsl-87-102-119-5.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:31:58 *** grumbel [~grumbel@i577B96C9.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Client exiting] 04:06:37 *** De_Ghosty [~s@76-10-132-38.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:06:47 *** De_Ghosty [~s@76-10-162-8.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #openttd 04:08:24 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Quit: leaving] 04:08:31 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 04:13:12 *** Pikka [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has joined #openttd 04:16:32 *** fjb [~frank@p5485C9B8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Realworld is calling.] 04:39:47 *** bowman [johanf@81-226-229-179-no59.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:44:40 *** amp3rs4nd [~amp@pool-71-191-159-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 04:45:18 *** amp3rs4nd is now known as Wombly 04:45:33 <Wombly> hi 04:47:18 <Tekky> hi Wombly. I'm going to bed now, good night :) It is 7 AM here in Germany :) 04:47:21 <Wombly> I'm playing on a trains only server, and someone was able to build an airport (no planes though), my airport button is greyed out... how is it possible? 04:47:25 <Wombly> hi Tekky 04:47:43 <Tekky> I've stayed up the whole night :) 04:47:50 <Wombly> it happens to me often playing openttd 04:48:06 <Wombly> have a good sleep 04:48:51 <Tekky> thanks :) Unfortunately, I have never played a multiplayer game before, so I cannot help you. 04:49:11 <Wombly> ok :) 04:49:35 *** Tekky [~chatzilla@p5493CB89.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0.1/2008070208]] 04:55:21 <Jerimiah40> Wombly - You'd probably have to try to get in touch with the server owner 05:01:35 <Wombly> it's not a big deal, just wondering how it could happen that an airport can be built when planes are disabled. 05:06:08 *** reldred|gone is now known as reldred 05:11:23 <Forked> hm 05:20:05 *** roboboy [3aad2910@67.207.141.120] has joined #openttd 05:34:26 <Forked> no route found! hit me again.. lets see if I can reproduce this time 05:40:51 <Forked> yay 05:40:55 <Forked> managed to reproduce it 05:50:13 *** Sir-Bob [~chatzilla@c122-107-227-146.eburwd5.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 06:12:08 <Rubidium> Wombly: you can configure the GUI to not grey them out and then it's your own problem when you build something that you can't use 06:14:33 * Forked scratches head 06:16:08 *** helb_ [~helb@84.244.90.203] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:16:45 *** Milloflex [~ABC123@h-87-111.A175.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 06:16:49 <roboboy> do we have logs for this channel? 06:16:53 <SpComb> Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd 06:16:53 <Forked> !logs 06:21:50 *** lobstar_MB [~michielbr@ip54534322.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 06:22:28 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5D057.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 06:24:44 <Forked> I assumed cargodest bugs should be posted in thread on forum, or does it have its own area on flyspray? and why am I asking before I check? 06:28:52 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@ip54534322.speed.planet.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:39:18 <roboboy> I think I read they go on the wiki 06:41:45 *** roboboy [3aad2910@67.207.141.120] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 06:47:19 <Wombly> Rubidium, do you know what the command/patch is to have them not be grayed out? I lookd for it on the wiki and couldn't find it. 06:48:53 <Pikka> !seen Ammler 06:48:57 <Pikka> wait 06:49:03 <Pikka> no patchbot in hear! 06:49:08 <Pikka> here either 06:49:12 <Pikka> what? 06:49:14 <Pikka> oh. 06:51:07 *** Wombly [~amp@pool-71-191-159-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [] 07:08:55 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm107.epsilon124.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 07:19:42 *** Milloflex [~ABC123@h-87-111.A175.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:23:30 *** Pikka is now known as Pikka|afk 07:58:11 *** Pikka|afk is now known as Pikka 07:58:18 *** GoneWacko [~GoneWacko@dhcp-077-249-197-241.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:00:50 <Rubidium> Pikka: s/!/@/ might help with talking to the bot 08:00:59 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host245-236-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 08:01:12 <Wolf01> hello 08:02:49 *** GoneWacko [~GoneWacko@dhcp-077-249-197-241.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 08:07:50 <Pikka> I see... :O 08:08:52 *** Purno [~Purno@5350931D.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 08:10:22 <Eddi|zuHause> <Belugas> so instead, i'll run the creations each day, but in smaller numbers <- how about handling it in the tileloop? it is automatically scaled to map size 08:14:20 <Wolf01> Pikka, how do I increase production of your industries? They are always at 72t-90t (coal, iron ore etc) and when the resources are depleted they produce 6t-18t for ages, I have one which says 1090% of an estimated 3k tonnes transported :| 08:17:59 <Pikka> well, the whole point is that they won't increase once they get up around 100%, because the economically exploitable resources are all used up 08:18:47 <Pikka> before that though, they should be as variable as the defaults, with higher production possible 08:20:39 *** flowOver [~J@S01060016e65abad7.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 08:21:13 <peter1138> Estimated 3k tonnes? :D 08:21:20 <Wolf01> yes 08:21:33 <Wolf01> I take at least 20 years with 75-80% of transported production and the same percentual of ratings on the station to raise the production of an industry... after 20 years of 50t productions I find the industries producing 200-400t 08:22:15 <Wolf01> but this doesn't work with estimated resources, because they will be depleted in 5 years 08:22:36 <Pikka> 3k is an unusually low estimate though :P 08:22:37 <Wolf01> if the production is high enough 08:23:11 <Wolf01> all the industries I fund have low estimate, 3-18k tonnes 08:23:37 <Wolf01> Industries placed in map generation have 1000 times higher 08:23:54 <Wolf01> 3000k-90000k tonnes 08:24:25 <Eddi|zuHause> that doesn't sound right... 08:25:13 <Pikka> I just tried funding a whole bunch of mines and many of them have high estimates... 08:25:29 <peter1138> Bug! 08:26:31 <Pikka> don't you bug me sunshine! 08:26:35 <Wolf01> that depleted my bank balance too, because every year I need to fund new resources because they deplete the estimated, luckily I'm playing on big maps and I can rely on planes to transport passengers 08:26:53 <Pikka> (ps: wagon retirement, peter1138 :P) 08:27:05 <peter1138> Oh yes, NARS2 needs that. 08:27:15 <peter1138> Well.. 08:27:28 <Eddi|zuHause> my mines typically hav between 50k and 200k tonnes estimate 08:28:03 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:28:32 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 08:28:34 <Eddi|zuHause> the clay pits a little lower 08:29:26 <Wolf01> I have a lot of clay pits :P 08:29:44 <Wolf01> all with the lowest estimate possible 08:30:19 <Pikka> which is? 08:31:01 <Wolf01> I have 2 with 3 and 10k tonnes 08:31:18 <Wolf01> now I was able to fund another one and it have 24k 08:31:43 <Wolf01> and it produces 154t at month 08:33:27 <Wolf01> ok, it dropped first to 72 and now is 64... fast forward of 4 months 08:36:05 <Wolf01> funded another one, 17k 08:36:34 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:36:44 *** Brainstorm [~Brainstor@82-171-5-111.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 08:37:05 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 08:37:39 <Wolf01> I need to go away 08:43:17 <Pikka> what build of ottd are you using, Wolf01? 08:44:13 *** Farden [~jk3farden@ram94-7-82-232-189-236.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 08:51:01 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.203] has joined #openttd 08:53:54 <Wolf01> back 08:54:04 <Wolf01> Pikka, yesterday's nightly 08:56:57 <Pikka> hmm, well I dunno then! 09:00:11 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r14188 /trunk/src/newgrf.cpp: -Codechange: [NewGRF] Cargo type of 0xFF is specified to be 'use first refittable cargo', so don't issue a warning for it. 09:01:17 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r14189 /trunk/src/newgrf.cpp: -Fix (r14188): Accidental line removal 09:03:20 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-27-115-128.bmly.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 09:05:18 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i59F5D057.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 09:05:56 <murray> sorry, i guess you've been asked this alot but 09:06:03 <murray> when you build a station near, say, a forest 09:06:13 <murray> does it matter how much you cover? one square? or all? 09:06:19 <Pikka> it doesn't matter 09:06:23 *** Zeal [~Ping@78-69-54-150-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 09:06:34 <murray> ok thanks :) 09:06:51 <murray> but in cities it matter? 09:06:53 <murray> per house 09:06:58 <Eddi|zuHause> yes 09:07:02 <murray> ok :) 09:07:17 <Wolf01> it matter in cities and with some industries like the refinery 09:07:32 <murray> refinery? for when collecting goods? 09:07:41 <Pikka> no, it doesn't matter... 09:07:44 <Wolf01> not all tiles accept/produce the cargo 09:07:59 <Pikka> except for that :) 09:08:06 <murray> aah 09:08:21 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-214-162.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 09:08:24 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@78-21-228-27.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 09:08:53 *** Tino|Home [~Tino@i59F5D057.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 09:09:51 *** prakti_ [~myself@port-213-148-152-8.static.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 09:09:56 *** Noldo_ [vheino@jumi.lut.fi] has joined #openttd 09:10:01 *** blathijs_ [~matthijs@drsnuggles.stderr.nl] has joined #openttd 09:10:04 *** Netsplit charon.oftc.net <-> galapagos.oftc.net quits: XeryusTC, prakti, Reemo, blathijs, TinoM, Zealotus, tneo, svippery, Noldo 09:10:21 *** Pikka is now known as Pikka|afk 09:11:50 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5D057.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 09:11:50 *** svippery [~svip@0x50a5b150.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 09:11:50 *** Noldo [vheino@jumi.lut.fi] has joined #openttd 09:11:50 *** blathijs [~matthijs@drsnuggles.stderr.nl] has joined #openttd 09:11:50 *** XeryusTC [~XeryusTC@members.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 09:11:55 *** Noldo [vheino@jumi.lut.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:11:59 *** Reemo [Dr_Jekyll@p57B0EB8F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:12:00 *** svippery [~svip@0x50a5b150.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:12:00 *** blathijs [~matthijs@drsnuggles.stderr.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:12:10 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5D057.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:12:10 *** XeryusTC [~XeryusTC@members.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:12:27 *** tneo [~tneo@members.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 09:13:07 *** XeryusTC [~XeryusTC@members.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 09:13:19 *** svippery [~svip@0x50a5b150.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 09:14:14 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@78-21-228-27.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:14:17 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i59F5D057.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:16:22 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 09:34:51 *** nekx [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 09:43:19 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r14190 /trunk/src/spriteloader/grf.cpp: -Codechange: use alloc instead of malloc+free when the allocated memory shouldn't be used after the function ended. 09:43:29 <Forked> meep 09:44:02 <peter1138> moop 09:44:40 <Forked> peter1138: where do you want cargodest bugreports? wiki felt like the wrong place and I didn't see a category on flyspray (granted I might not have looked close enough :p) 09:45:19 <peter1138> They seem to be going to http://wiki.openttd.org/wiki/index.php/Talk:Passenger_and_cargo_destinations 09:45:35 <Forked> oh 09:46:49 <Forked> ok can't see this one here, I'll stuff it in after I get some food 09:47:03 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r14191 /trunk/src/ (newgrf.cpp sprite.h spritecache.cpp): 09:47:03 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Codechange: unify the code to skip sprite payload (i.e. not the header). 09:47:03 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Fix: sprite payload skipping wouldn't skip enough bytes in a very small subset of compressed sprites. 09:47:40 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 09:48:14 <peter1138> Heh... which GRFs does that fix? 09:48:48 <Rubidium> I'd have to search back in the logs, but IIRC it's only one 09:50:05 *** extspotter [~extspotte@host86-140-131-19.range86-140.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 09:50:09 <extspotter> hi 09:54:10 <Rubidium> peter1138: can't find the name of the GRF, however... now skip sprite works like a) the spriteloader/grf.cpp and b) http://www.ttdpatch.net/grfcodec/grf.html 09:56:37 <peter1138> I believe you ;) 09:59:17 <peter1138> Hmm, lifelength is a bit meaningless for wagons :o 09:59:58 <Gekz> awesome 10:00:13 <peter1138> What is? 10:00:22 *** elmex [~elmex@e180066134.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 10:01:19 <Pikka|afk> what is "lifelength", peter? 10:01:22 *** Pikka|afk is now known as Pikka 10:03:16 <peter1138> property 03 10:03:32 <peter1138> At least, it's 20 for your wagons. 10:03:52 <peter1138> property 04 i guess would be better 10:04:00 <Pikka> oh, yes 10:04:08 <Pikka> property 04 is what I want implementing :) 10:04:34 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@78-21-228-27.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 10:04:34 <Pikka> ie, remove the vehicle from the purchase list when that expires 10:05:24 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-115-211.prem.tmns.net.au] has joined #openttd 10:07:11 <peter1138> Life: 255 years :o 10:07:47 <peter1138> Maybe don't show life... hehe 10:07:56 <peter1138> What does Mr. TTDPatch show? 10:08:01 <Pikka> nothing 10:08:09 <peter1138> Oh 10:15:12 <Brianetta> I'm in two minds about engine expiry. 10:15:25 <Brianetta> On the one hand, progression is nice 10:15:36 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 10:15:43 <Brianetta> and having to stockpile a fleet of stock for when it becomes unavailable is a nice touch 10:16:02 <Brianetta> but on the other hand, old locomotives only stop being available because people stop buying them 10:16:22 <Brianetta> if railway companies kept ordering steam locos, we'd still be seeing new ones today 10:16:38 <Brianetta> and it's nice to play what-if and to change the course of history 10:18:00 <Wolf01> steam maglev locomotive! 10:18:04 <Brianetta> woo 10:18:29 <Pikka> woo woo? 10:18:36 * Brianetta suspects that the same, in TTDPatch, is a steam loco with rubber tyres running int he concrete trough like a Paris Metro 10:19:39 <Wolf01> wait! I have a picture of a rail engine on rubber tyres 10:20:26 <Brianetta> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Bogie-metro-Meteor-p1010692.jpg 10:20:43 <Brianetta> I'm sure that's work in a concrete maglev trough without damaging it too badly 10:22:50 *** Pikka is now known as Pikka|afk 10:26:28 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r14192 /trunk/src/timetable_cmd.cpp: -Fix [FS#2236]: properly update the current timetable's travel/wait times instead of only doing it for one vehicle in the shared order chain and only when some bit has not been set (PhilSophus) 10:27:35 <Brianetta> peter1138: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:VAL-Zhongsan-Reverse.JPG 10:27:40 <Brianetta> New track type to add to the list (: 10:29:46 <peter1138> Hee 10:29:57 <Brianetta> High TE 10:30:08 <Brianetta> good acceleration and decelleration, quiet 10:30:21 <Brianetta> Costs more to run, though 10:30:25 <Brianetta> overcoming the rolling resistance 10:30:34 <peter1138> That's a problem for TTD then. 10:30:38 <Brianetta> Not suitable above the snowline 10:30:50 <Brianetta> Problem? 10:30:54 <peter1138> TE doesn't make a lot of difference. 10:31:04 <Brianetta> Well, it's *there* 10:31:19 <Brianetta> They can stop like a truck 10:31:25 <peter1138> I'm sure my trains accelerate too fast. 10:31:39 <Brianetta> You're not giving them enough wagons (: 10:32:12 <Brianetta> My tank engines take about 50 tiles to get up to decent speed with a full rake of coal 10:32:21 <Brianetta> more like 100 on the flat if they're to reach maximum 10:32:37 <Brianetta> Of course, a slope helps 10:32:49 <Brianetta> so I like to build stations on a little ramp 10:32:58 <Wolf01> oh, finally found it! 10:32:59 <Wolf01> http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2026/1685800834_fb59910ab1.jpg 10:33:29 <Eddi|zuHause> haha! :p 10:33:37 <peter1138> Yeah, it's the 0-30mph acceleration I'm thinking of. 10:34:58 <Eddi|zuHause> and how do you go up slopes? 10:36:23 <Brianetta> Wolf01: That's a truly awesome vehicle 10:36:45 <Brianetta> I want one 10:36:55 <Brianetta> What is it? 10:36:59 <Brianetta> Where can I learn more? 10:37:02 <Eddi|zuHause> it's a russian V200 i think 10:37:06 <Wolf01> http://www.darkroastedblend.com/2007/10/cool-road-rail-vehicles.html 10:38:07 <Eddi|zuHause> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/DR_Baureihe_V_200 10:38:34 <Brianetta> UNIMOG U-400 is a fabulous shunter 10:38:56 <Brianetta> Somebody should newgrf that, have it available as a loco and a road vehicle (: 10:39:09 <Brianetta> Somebody not me, natch 10:39:18 <Brianetta> I don't care *that* much 10:39:40 <peter1138> European railways use it? What, all of them? 10:40:24 <Brianetta> Perhaps it's some small operator 10:40:27 <Brianetta> called that 10:40:56 <Eddi|zuHause> what? where? who? 10:41:18 <Brianetta> RGS No. 2 Spruce Goose 10:41:22 <Brianetta> Mail van with snow plough 10:41:35 <Brianetta> Eddi: Check out Wolf01's link 10:42:17 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@78-21-228-27.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:43:00 <Brianetta> Oh, the Mini is beautiful 10:43:07 *** davis- [~asd@p5B28BFE7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 10:43:53 <peter1138> rail mini! :D 10:44:12 <Brianetta> The Polish back-to-back one reeks of home made class 10:44:27 <Brianetta> including the board with the red tail lights on the radiator 10:44:34 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fc8a5.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 10:45:20 <Gekz> rail car 10:45:22 <Gekz> thats crazy 10:45:28 <davis-> :o 10:45:43 <Brianetta> Useful for inspection work, or shuttling workers to/from a work site on a long posession 10:46:58 <Brianetta> Davis: http://www.eiderdowncottage.com/pontiac/Index.htm 10:47:06 <Brianetta> more on http://www.darkroastedblend.com/2007/10/cool-road-rail-vehicles.html 10:47:07 *** fjb [~frank@p5485C9B8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:47:19 *** fjb [~frank@p5485C9B8.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 10:48:12 *** fjb [~frank@p5485C9B8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:48:18 <fjb> Hello 10:48:31 <Brianetta> hi 10:48:45 <frosch123> moin :) 10:48:47 <Wolf01> http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2204/1684488321_73e164ed1a.jpg is that a snowplow or a house? 10:48:59 <Wolf01> (the red thing) 10:49:03 <fjb> Quak frosch123 10:49:09 <frosch123> :) 10:49:24 <Wolf01> hi fjb 10:49:48 <davis-> hm 10:49:59 <davis-> thanks Brianetta :D 10:50:10 <fjb> Wolf01: You have to live somewhere when you get stuck in the snow. :-) 10:50:43 <davis-> railcars look like fun 10:50:55 <Brianetta> You'd never get the permission in the UK 10:51:21 <Brianetta> You'd even have trouble getting a private coach attached to a freight consist 10:51:26 <peter1138> http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2383/1822889711_2535b6f61d.jpg Hehe 10:51:26 <fjb> No permission for getting stuck in the snow? 10:51:28 <Brianetta> although that's a personal dream of mine 10:51:31 *** lobstar_MB [~michielbr@ip54534322.speed.planet.nl] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 10:53:01 <davis-> i wonder how a farari on rails would do 10:53:02 <davis-> :s 10:53:05 <davis-> ferari 10:53:07 <davis-> >.< 10:53:34 <Brianetta> I think it'd either work really well or be a catastrophe. No middle ground. 10:53:39 <Gekz> ferrari 10:53:44 <davis-> asd 10:53:46 <davis-> cant spell 10:53:52 <fjb> I have another question about the size of the rail vehicles. The 32px x 8px x 12px limit is for the / and \ view, right? What are the limits for the - and | view? 10:54:45 <Wolf01> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4co_oV0BoPc uhm, peter1138, why not implement this on ottd? 10:56:33 <Brianetta> http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2241/1876660239_8a6075c162.jpg 10:56:41 <davis-> good for looking up skirts 10:56:46 <Brianetta> Buy that at the end of the game, and you get to use it near the beginning. 10:58:00 <Eddi|zuHause> fjb: MB had some template graphics where you can fit in the wagons 10:58:57 <fjb> I will search the forum. 10:59:25 <fjb> Hm, is the 32bit blitter much slower? My games feels kind of "jumpy". 11:01:39 *** nkx [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 11:02:43 *** yorick_ [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 11:03:39 *** elmex_ [~elmex@e180066134.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 11:06:49 *** Netsplit charon.oftc.net <-> galapagos.oftc.net quits: svippery, nekx, elmex, yorick 11:06:52 *** yorick_ is now known as yorick 11:07:08 *** elmex_ is now known as elmex 11:07:58 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 11:08:40 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-27-115-128.bmly.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 11:08:48 <fjb> The game becomes unplayable slow with the 32bpp blitter. 11:09:19 <fjb> Is that a problem of memory bandwidth? 11:09:20 <Vikthor> Hi 11:09:26 <fjb> Hi Vikthor 11:09:33 <yorick> try the 32bpp-optim blitter 11:09:42 <yorick> and increase sprite_cache_size 11:09:52 * Vikthor is back from Greece 11:10:03 *** Netsplit over, joins: svippery 11:12:16 <fjb> I tried the optimized blitter. 11:12:47 <fjb> Where do I increase sprite_cache_size? 11:12:48 <frosch123> "sprite_cache_size = 64" is a must 11:13:00 <frosch123> [misc] section of openttd.cfg 11:13:41 <fjb> Found it. 11:14:01 <fjb> Is that MB? 11:14:10 <peter1138> Yeha. 11:14:40 <Forked> meep meep 11:14:42 <fjb> Then I will give it 128. 11:14:52 <peter1138> 64 is the max I think. 11:16:10 <peter1138> The original was 1MB, so 4MB should be enough for anyone ;) 11:16:50 <fjb> 64 is maximum. It reduces every highter value to 64. 11:17:30 <frosch123> iirc 32bpp needs factor 5 more memory 11:17:32 <fjb> But that is too few. The vehicles still "jump" around and scolling is a pain. 11:18:08 <fjb> But it is way better than with 4MB. 11:18:10 <yorick> fjb: disable animation! 11:18:13 <yorick> ;) 11:18:26 <fjb> I used the optimized blitter. 11:18:35 <fjb> Or animation at all? :-) 11:18:36 <Gekz> anyone wanna play freeciv? 11:18:46 <fjb> No. 11:18:53 <Gekz> you aren't anyone 11:18:56 <Gekz> you're no-one 11:18:59 <Gekz> go cut yourself. 11:18:59 <Gekz> ! 11:19:10 <fjb> But I am someone. Is that not enough for you? 11:19:17 <Gekz> no 11:19:18 <yorick> try disable animation at all 11:19:34 <fjb> A headless 32bpp game. :-) 11:19:35 * yorick cuts Gekz in 2. 11:20:40 <Gekz> bits? 11:20:43 <yorick> yes 11:20:48 <yorick> what did you think, bytes? 11:20:49 <Gekz> now I'm just 1 11:20:52 <fjb> I'm having a memory bottleneck at my PC, or is the 32bpp blitter always that slow? 11:20:58 <yorick> I think it is 11:21:12 <yorick> but possibly you have a harddisk readspeed bottleneck 11:21:20 <frosch123> it is not that slow as you descibe (at least for me) 11:21:27 <yorick> or you're just having too much sprites 11:22:46 <fjb> Big town. But this is my spare computer. I had the feeling that it has some trouble wile playing NWN some days ago. There it also was kind of "jumpy" even with reduced graphic effects. 11:22:59 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@user-54470bf2.wfd82a.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 11:23:20 <frosch123> what is your zoom level? 11:23:34 <fjb> I don't think that diskio is the problem, not much discio happening. 11:23:45 <yorick> there should... 11:23:57 <yorick> loading the sprites should take quite some diskio 11:24:00 <fjb> Tryied standard view and one level zoomed out. 11:24:16 <yorick> maybe you're just having too much sprites 11:25:13 <fjb> Something is strange with this PC. Maybe it is the cheap sis chip set. 11:25:42 <peter1138> I have no performance problem with 32bpp. 11:26:05 <Eddi|zuHause> <yorick> loading the sprites should take quite some diskio <- there is a spritecache for that... 11:26:10 <fjb> I encountered some Problems with also NWN. 11:26:27 <yorick> Eddi: you got quite a good spritecache if it doesn't need to cache things first 11:27:12 <fjb> The mainboard of my usual PC died. So I'm stuck with this one, got it used. 11:27:24 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... big problem... how do i port my savegame from the old timetabling patch to the new one? 11:27:50 <Eddi|zuHause> fjb: easiest way to check if 32bpp is the issue: turn off 32bpp 11:27:57 <peter1138> yorick, loading the sprites takes hardly effort. 11:28:17 <peter1138> It would be noticable if it happened all the time, however. 11:28:18 <fjb> It is a Pentium 4 with 2,6GHz, 512MB RAM, and 8x AGP. Should be really fast enough. 11:28:32 <fjb> Eddi|zuHause: It runs smoot with the 8bpp blitter. 11:28:47 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:28:57 <fjb> Discio is at a minimum after loading the game. 11:31:42 <Eddi|zuHause> feature request: a german town name generator that can generate ~5000 names 11:32:16 <fjb> Lets have a look at eBay for a new mainboard. ASUS is not too confident about replacing my mainboard. 11:33:09 <fjb> Is there town name generator more than a list with town name parts? 11:36:52 *** grumbel [~grumbel@i577AD654.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 11:40:53 *** Yeggzzz is now known as Yeggstry 11:43:05 <peter1138> Hmm? 11:46:27 *** Sir-Bob [~chatzilla@c122-107-227-146.eburwd5.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0.1/2008070208]] 11:47:37 <Pikka|afk> ho hum... 11:47:41 *** Pikka|afk is now known as Pikka 11:49:52 <peter1138> Yes, indeed. 11:51:22 *** welshdragon [~desk@host81-157-252-208.range81-157.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 11:55:55 *** fjb [~frank@p5485C9B8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Realworld is calling.] 12:00:47 * Rubidium likes peter1138's 32bpp screenshot 12:01:21 *** Sacro [Ben@adsl-87-102-119-5.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 12:03:54 <peter1138> Heh 12:04:29 <peter1138> See, 0.6.0 has been out *ages* and there's still no coherent 32bpp set... 12:05:22 <Rubidium> same could be said for the open 8bits graphics 12:06:23 <peter1138> See, TTDPatch has been out *ages* and there's still no coherent 8bpp set... 12:06:28 <peter1138> Err 12:06:33 <peter1138> *replacement* set :o 12:08:53 <Rexxars> I'm getting a strange "TRGT.GRF file is corrupted or missing!" error on starting up the nightly, and some of the newgrf graphics are sort of distorted, is this a problem on my side, or is there an issue in the latest nightly? 12:08:58 *** fjb [~frank@p5485C9B8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:09:45 <Rubidium> Rexxars: I reckon you've got both the Windows and DOS graphics 12:09:46 <Pikka> yebbut where's Ammler? I want to know what he was complaining about with NARS the other night... 12:10:00 <Rubidium> *original TTD graphics that is 12:10:24 *** welshdragon is now known as welshdra-gone 12:10:42 <Rexxars> has there been any changes in those areas of code lately? cause it worked fine on older nightlies 12:10:53 <Rubidium> and now it "chooses" randomly between the DOS/Windows graphics based on how many of the files you've got 12:11:15 <Rubidium> and apparantly DOS not gets a higher priority for you 12:11:30 <Rubidium> which is technically okay by me cause it has more colours 12:11:43 <peter1138> Just causes a few problems for network place ;) 12:11:45 <peter1138> *play 12:12:12 <Rubidium> peter1138: nothing that wouldn't have happened before 12:12:16 <Rexxars> hmm.. can you play with windows grfs and dos original source files? 12:12:28 <peter1138> Rubidium, indeed. 12:12:37 <peter1138> Original source files? 12:12:50 <Rexxars> er.. the dos TTD graphics 12:13:05 <peter1138> Nope. 12:13:30 <Rubidium> well... you can play with both dos and windows grfs, but not at the same time 12:14:32 <Rexxars> thanks 12:14:42 <Rexxars> the link to the readme on the download page is broken btw 12:14:44 <peter1138> How is sample.cat handled? 12:14:52 *** dfox [~dfox@r5cv25.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 12:15:09 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r14193 /trunk/src/spritecache.cpp: -Fix (r14191): don't put an unsigned 0x80 in a signed int8 as that's not what you want. 12:15:43 <Rubidium> peter1138: it takes whatever it pleases; doesn't care about dos or windows 12:16:03 <peter1138> Your 'TRGT.GRF' file is corrupted or missing! You can find it on your Transport Tycoon Deluxe CD-ROM. 12:16:06 <peter1138> :o 12:16:17 <peter1138> Just, er, found the files... 12:16:44 <Rubidium> yup... there's a corrupt set of graphics roaming the internets 12:16:49 <peter1138> Hm. 12:17:01 <peter1138> orudge! 12:19:12 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 12:19:13 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:19:13 <fjb> Hm, I reduced the AGP apperture zize from 128MB (size of graphics memory) to 64MB (the factory setting of this PC). Now it is a bit faster. 12:19:27 <Sacro> AGP aperture should be 2x graphics RAM 12:19:32 <Rubidium> Rexxars: readme works (now) 12:19:38 <Rexxars> thanks :) 12:19:41 <Sacro> fjb: should be 256 12:19:59 <fjb> Sacro: Why? 12:20:21 <Rexxars> the nightlies page is sorta broken, but I suppose you knew about that already, heh 12:20:31 <Sacro> fjb: should be double GPU ram 12:20:37 <Rubidium> Rexxars: READ that page... 12:21:02 <Rexxars> why not remove that though, heh 12:21:05 <fjb> Sacro: Why? You can not access RAM that is not there anyway. 12:21:12 <Rubidium> Rexxars: too much effort 12:22:30 <Rexxars> :) 12:24:28 <peter1138> So who 'gives out' the correct versions, if Owen's are wrong? 12:25:03 <fjb> I need a vehice usage graph, showing on which lines a vehicle is almost full and on which more on the empty side... 12:25:29 <fjb> peter1138: Maybe the people of the german forum. 12:25:47 <Rexxars> owens windows ttd package worked fine for me 12:26:01 <peter1138> Rexxars, Windows does, yes. 12:26:04 <Rexxars> ah :) 12:26:18 <peter1138> fjb, I don't speak German. 12:26:42 <fjb> peter1138: You will find a linkt named "download" there. :-) 12:27:31 <fjb> The german forum ist hosted here: http://www.tt-ms.de/home/ 12:28:18 <fjb> You will find the rest even if you are only speaking English. 12:31:54 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 12:32:56 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-166-210.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 12:35:58 <Rubidium> peter1138: unless the md5checksum of openttd is wrong/different for some reason 12:40:18 <Rubidium> I don't have a TTD DOS CD, so I can't check the md5sum of the file on the actual CD 12:43:16 <Rubidium> some googling gave me more archives with the "wrong" md5 than the "right" one (wrong/right according OpenTTD's source that is) 12:44:59 <Wolf01> I have it 12:46:48 *** Boyinblue0 [~admin@91.109.50.47] has joined #openttd 12:46:55 <Boyinblue0> how can i promote town growth? 12:47:13 *** LilDood [~IceChat7@cpc2-bolt5-0-0-cust370.manc.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 12:47:19 <Forked> active stations and fund new buildings .. also build roads for them 12:47:38 *** roboboy [3aad2910@67.207.141.120] has joined #openttd 12:48:33 <Boyinblue0> kk ty =]=] 12:48:50 <Rubidium> Wolf01: what's the MD5 checksum of TRGT.GRF? 12:48:50 <Boyinblue0> any specific pattern of roads needed for better growth? 12:49:07 <Forked> I use 2x2 and 3x2 blocks with road around 12:49:26 <Forked> I have no idea if that is the best, but I think most houses prefer to have road on at least one side of their building 12:49:49 <roboboy> hello 12:50:06 <Wolf01> if you want I can send it to you, I don't know how to calculate the md5 :P 12:50:49 <glx> md5sum file 12:50:52 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host86-153-45-29.range86-153.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:50:56 *** dragonhorseboy [4a396fef@67.207.141.120] has joined #openttd 12:51:02 <dragonhorseboy> hey 12:51:21 <dragonhorseboy> any of you in here know about the super power steam era in north america? 12:51:22 <Wolf01> glx, not on windows :) 12:51:28 <glx> on windows 12:51:36 <glx> with mingw/msys 12:51:37 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host86-153-45-29.range86-153.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 12:52:52 <Alberth> Rubidium: fcde1d7e8a74197d72a62695884b909e TRGT.GRF 12:52:58 <Forked> http://tda.nu/openttd/oddland-city.png 12:53:14 <Rubidium> Alberth: from the original CD? 12:53:36 <Rubidium> i.e. not some zip/iso downloaded from anywhere 12:53:40 <glx> e30e8a398ae86c03dc534a8ac7dfb3b6 *TRGT.GRF 12:53:48 <Alberth> yep, possibly a re-print (if CD's get reprinted:) ) 12:54:16 <frosch123> I just compared the trgt.grf with those two md5 sums 12:54:24 <Wolf01> fcde1d7e8a74197d72a62695884b909e *TRGT.GRF 12:54:31 <frosch123> they only differ in a single sprite 674 12:54:49 <frosch123> it shows that e30e8a398ae86c03dc534a8ac7dfb3b6 is a bug fix for fcde1d7e8a74197d72a62695884b909e 12:55:05 <Alberth> that is some vehicle? 12:55:19 <frosch123> i guess it is the sugar truck 12:55:27 <frosch123> not sure though 12:55:44 <Rubidium> so both are correct, but e30e* is more correct? 12:55:52 <frosch123> in fcde1d7e8a74197d72a62695884b909e is incorrectly clipped 12:55:55 <Alberth> that makes sense, I once saw a truck with some shifted graphics 12:56:29 <dragonhorseboy> thing I was wondering about was what alco must have called their unique 3-cylinder design 12:56:49 <dragonhorseboy> can't remember whichever train books it was in at all here 12:57:34 *** LilDood [~IceChat7@cpc2-bolt5-0-0-cust370.manc.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Quit: Say What?] 12:57:37 <Pikka> what unique 3 cylinder design, dragonhorseboy? 12:58:39 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-115-211.prem.tmns.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:00:07 *** Doorslammer [~monarodoo@PIPP-p-203-54-115-211.prem.tmns.net.au] has joined #openttd 13:01:15 <dragonhorseboy> pikka the third cylinder was in middle .. Alco sold a good number of these ... hard to work on than the typical 2-cylinder but with the sudden depression (30's yeah) railroads just had to stuck to them and at least found them pretty good runners 13:01:42 <dragonhorseboy> especially when they were bumped off mainline and turned into yard humpers ... good low speed traction 13:02:01 <Pikka> nothing unique about that... 13:02:25 <dragonhorseboy> yeah? hm well I maybe only know of north america alone 13:03:27 <Pikka> even in north america they weren't completely outlandish 13:04:00 *** Doorslammer [~monarodoo@PIPP-p-203-54-115-211.prem.tmns.net.au] has quit [] 13:06:24 <dragonhorseboy> heh well true but then also I do know some railroad-specific power tho ... eg SP's cabforward, Pennsy.'s shortlived tries with their own duplex's (built just barely before diesels took over, expensive ops I guess?) 13:06:26 <fjb> Hm... MD5 (/usr/local/share/games/openttd.dos/data/trgt.grf) = fcde1d7e8a74197d72a62695884b909e that is from an original CD. 13:06:57 <fjb> Ah, then that is an old version? 13:07:43 <Rubidium> so 4 original CDs say fcde with clipped truck and the other with fixed clipping comes from somewhere "illegal" 13:08:03 <dragonhorseboy> pikka didn't uk have just a few of one class of mallets for a while? 13:09:04 <peter1138> Rubidium, now just make it not load if the MD5SUM doesn't make :) 13:09:07 <Pikka> I don't think so. certainly not the mainline railways. possibly a narrow gauge. 13:09:30 <dragonhorseboy> yeah I only remember reading about them once .. seem they were a big large for their rails wise 13:10:14 <Pikka> the LMS had a class of Garratts, which might be what you're thinking of 13:10:27 <dragonhorseboy> hm yeah LMS does sound familiar 13:11:53 *** Boyinblue0 [~admin@91.109.50.47] has left #openttd [] 13:13:03 <dragonhorseboy> if there's one thing I don't think should had been built anyhow (even with modern tech now too perhaps) .. it was that Eric triplex ... I'm not so sure even 300psi with a large firebox would had been able to steam these at plausible mainline speeds 13:13:21 <dragonhorseboy> Eirc got stuck using them as slow pushers till finally sent to scrap 13:14:26 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-27-115-128.bmly.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 13:14:47 <dragonhorseboy> http://www.dself.dsl.pipex.com/MUSEUM/LOCOLOCO/triplex/mattshay.jpg here for your viewing if you want 13:15:09 <dragonhorseboy> they were 210psi at the time 13:15:43 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-229-107.prem.tmns.net.au] has joined #openttd 13:15:47 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: glx * r14194 /trunk/ (Makefile.src.in projects/determineversion.vbs): -Fix: don't use hardcoded character offsets to get hg revision. This make it similar to svn and git (ie without the ':'). 13:16:04 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:21:10 <Brianetta> powered tender (: 13:22:10 *** reldred is now known as Aegir 13:22:13 *** Aegir is now known as reldred 13:26:01 *** Slowpoke [Lobster@dslb-088-073-233-249.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 13:28:46 <Pikka> powdered tender! 13:29:48 <peter1138> So now that NARS2 uses the narrow gauge tracks as regular tracks... 13:30:02 <peter1138> We need someone to draw even narrower gauge :) 13:30:56 <Pikka> no we don't :P 13:31:13 <hylje> soon we will have monorail 13:33:08 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 13:35:10 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5D057.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 13:36:05 <dragonhorseboy> another railroad also had some triplex's for pusher service (able to keep tender almost full all times) but rather than scrap they just rebuilt them with standard tenders (turning them into normal mallets) 13:41:17 *** Tino|Home [~Tino@i59F5D057.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:41:58 <dragonhorseboy> hylje..monorails? doesn't that already exist? ;) 13:43:09 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host86-153-45-29.range86-153.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:43:34 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host86-153-45-29.range86-153.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 13:44:19 <peter1138> Hmm, it's slow in 1830 ;) 13:44:39 <peter1138> And those carriages are dinky. 13:44:47 <Pikka> indeed 13:44:57 <Pikka> I think you'd have to be mad to start before 1850, but dan insisted :P 13:47:26 <peter1138> Heh 13:48:03 <dragonhorseboy> 1890's for me :p 13:48:18 <dragonhorseboy> heh... all these American's ;) 13:50:41 <roboboy> im glad i started in 1950 with UKRS and cargodest 13:50:50 <roboboy> 1921 was hard enough 13:53:47 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B8410F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:54:58 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B82111.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 13:55:00 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 13:55:57 <dragonhorseboy> heh I always start in 1920's all the times with dbsetxl...steam at that stage with some electric mixs (high initial cost, figured) on longer lines finally later on 13:56:01 <dragonhorseboy> ^_^ 14:03:11 *** reldred is now known as reldred|gone 14:05:47 * roboboy wonders what the best way to upgrade his fleet of trains is and also add an extra set of the emus they are to be upgraded with when I get rid of my loan. I also want to add extra passenger wagons 14:10:12 <dragonhorseboy> ^_^ 14:22:02 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 14:29:28 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:32:24 <roboboy> do I have to register for flyspray to report a bug? 14:33:30 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: glx * r14195 /branches/noai/ (71 files in 10 dirs): [NoAI] -Sync: with trunk r14121:14194 14:35:06 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 14:35:25 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has left #openttd [] 14:35:53 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 14:36:32 <frosch123> roboboy: yes, so there is a way to notify you about questions wrt your report 14:45:56 <roboboy> my cargodest game just crashed 14:46:41 <frosch123> do you have a savegame that reproducible crashes after load? 14:47:47 <roboboy> the emergency save crashes shortly after 14:48:46 <roboboy> and the save I made shortly before also crashes 14:49:07 <roboboy> I uploaded them both aswell as the other files the window says to 14:49:35 <roboboy> im no dummie at reporting bugs as I am used to playing alpha versions of TTDP 14:52:48 <roboboy> my game is over for now 14:52:49 *** Dr_Jekyll [Dr_Jekyll@p57B0D7F2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:54:21 <glx> roboboy: does the crash.log tells something about the reason? 14:55:11 <glx> roboboy: it seems to be the crash reported on the forum 14:56:14 <roboboy> ok 14:56:30 <roboboy> i geuse reporting it twice isnt too bad 14:56:51 <roboboy> Reason: Assertion failed at ..\src\cargopacket.cpp:324: this->CargoLeft() != NULL 14:57:18 <Forked> hmm I think I saw that one reported in the wiki, sec 14:58:07 <Forked> or maybe it wasn't there.. forum perhaps. sorry :) 14:58:57 *** Reemo [Dr_Jekyll@p57B0EB8F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:59:28 <glx> roboboy: using the build from binaries.openttd.org? 15:00:08 <Gekz> why are people compelled to pm me 15:00:10 <Gekz> >_> 15:00:12 <Gekz> SO ANNOYING 15:00:17 <Forked> it was the forum, last page 15:00:22 <Forked> Gekz: you look girly? 15:00:26 <Gekz> at least spammers dont expect a reply 15:01:07 <roboboy> glx yeah. wherever it is on openttd.org that Ammler pointed me to 15:01:33 <glx> good I should be able to debug these builds ;) 15:02:56 <roboboy> im off to bed soon 15:02:59 *** dragonhorseboy [4a396fef@67.207.141.120] has left #openttd [] 15:04:50 *** Purno [~Purno@5350931D.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: Always remember you're unique, just like everyone else.] 15:04:55 *** fjb_ [~frank@p5485ECA2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:07:27 <glx> roboboy: yes it's the same bug, crash happened when replacing 15:07:51 <roboboy> ok 15:08:08 <roboboy> so it was just that I had autoreplace setup 15:08:19 <roboboy> and I was not watching it 15:08:53 *** fjb [~frank@p5485C9B8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:09:10 <glx> anyway it's a valid bug :) 15:10:31 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i59F5D057.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 15:12:24 *** Wolf01 is now known as Wolf01|AWAY 15:12:34 <roboboy> so shall I disable autoreplace for now and live with slow trains? 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17:06:34 <insulfrog> in other words, change directory using sommand prompt? 17:06:59 <fjb> Yes. 17:07:11 <insulfrog> if so its CD C:\(your directory) 17:07:27 *** Dr_Jekyll [Dr_Jekyll@p57B0D7F2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:07:31 <insulfrog> (oe what whatever directory you want 17:07:52 <fjb> No, I mean the path to the directory where OpenTTD searches for the GRFs. 17:08:20 <fjb> And no C:\ here anyway. 17:08:27 <insulfrog> not without changing the source code 17:08:38 <insulfrog> (as far as I know) 17:08:38 <SpComb> I think it's a compile-time option 17:09:16 <SpComb> ./configure --data-dir=... 17:10:36 <fjb> Yes, I know about the compile time option. The question was if there is a runtime option. I didn't find any, so I asked. 17:10:42 *** extspotter [~extspotte@host86-140-131-19.range86-140.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:17:26 *** Zahl [~Zahl@e179063096.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 17:20:12 <glx> there's no runtime option 17:23:56 <fjb> Thank you. 17:28:53 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@g227017097.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 17:34:28 *** Milloflex [~ABC123@h-87-111.A175.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:36:19 *** Zahl [~Zahl@e179063096.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:36:19 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 17:37:51 *** Milloflex [~ABC123@c83-249-134-27.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 17:42:12 *** spion-- [~spion@212-183-85-46.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 17:42:33 *** orudge is now known as not_orudge 17:42:37 *** not_orudge is now known as orudge 17:46:48 *** Milloflex [~ABC123@c83-249-134-27.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:52:41 <fjb> FreeBSD uses gcc but has no strndup(). 17:53:04 <glx> does it define _GNU_SOURCE ? 17:53:10 <fjb> Yes 17:53:29 <glx> strndup is a GNU extension 17:53:48 <glx> and it depends on _GNU_SOURCE 17:54:06 <fjb> I just removed the test for _GNU_SOURCE and it compiled and linked. Complained about missing strndup() before. 17:54:14 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-229-107.prem.tmns.net.au] has quit [] 17:54:16 <fjb> Hm, strange. 17:55:40 *** Milloflex [~ABC123@c83-249-134-27.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 17:55:44 <fjb> A test for FreeBSD would be needed there. Don't know about the other BSDs or Solaris. 17:56:32 <glx> what is in CFLAGS ? 17:59:25 <fjb> Nothing, not set. Or I didn't find it. Wehre do I have to look for it? CFLAGS was not set in the environment nor in the Makefile in the toplevel directory. 18:00:03 <glx> in objs/[Debug|Release]/Makefile 18:00:50 <fjb> Ah, I looked into src/ 18:01:10 <insulfrog> well, i g2g, cya :) 18:01:12 *** insulfrog [~trainslov@92.8.112.168] has left #openttd [] 18:01:49 <fjb> CFLAGS = -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -DFREEBSD -Wall -Wno-multichar -Wsign-compare -Wundef -Wwrite-strings -Wpointer-arith -Wno-uninitialized -W -Wno-unused-parameter -Wformat=2 -Wredundant-decls -DUNIX -DWITH_SDL -I/usr/local/include/SDL -I/usr/local/include -D_GNU_SOURCE=1 -D_REENTRANT -DWITH_ZLIB -I/home/frank/devel/OpenTTD-r14195noaicd/src/3rdparty/squirrel/include -DNO_GARBAGE_COLLECTOR -DWITH_PNG -I/usr/local/include/libpng 18:01:49 <fjb> -DWITH_FONTCONFIG -I/usr/local/include -DWITH_FREETYPE -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -I/usr/local/include -DENABLE_NETWORK -DWITH_PERSONAL_DIR -DPERSONAL_DIR=\".openttd\" -DGLOBAL_DATA_DIR=\"/usr/local/share/games/openttd\" 18:02:08 <glx> ok svn is guilty again 18:02:21 <fjb> Why? 18:02:35 <glx> what is the output of sdl-config --cflags ? 18:02:59 <fjb> -I/usr/local/include/SDL -I/usr/local/include -D_GNU_SOURCE=1 -D_REENTRANT 18:03:19 <glx> sdl defines _GNU_SOURCE 18:03:28 <peter1138> glx, you mean SDL is guilty, not svn. 18:03:36 <glx> ha right :) 18:03:38 <fjb> Ah, so BSD does not but SDL does. :-( 18:03:41 <glx> I mistyped 18:04:03 <glx> yes sdl does the same for windows 18:04:13 <fjb> Bad SDL. 18:04:32 <peter1138> When do get a native X11 driver? ;) 18:04:52 <fjb> So it will do that on any system, wether it has the GNU extensions or not. 18:05:52 <peter1138> Not on OS X, or with MS VC. 18:06:21 <glx> can you remove -D_GNU_SOURCE=1 in the makefile and see if it works ? 18:06:49 *** [com]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has joined #openttd 18:07:37 *** spion- [~spion@212-183-80-40.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 18:08:53 <fjb> Ok, 18:11:19 <fjb> I'm doing a clean checkout from trunk first. 18:14:44 *** spion-- [~spion@212-183-85-46.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:20:07 <fjb> It compiles and links when I remove D_GNU_SOURCE=1 from the makefile. 18:32:39 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 18:36:26 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has joined #openttd 18:49:46 <Milloflex> is it possible to close the active window in ttd with a keyboard shortcut? 18:51:13 *** Volley [~worf@84-119-53-183.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #openttd 19:00:30 <peter1138> No, because there is no concept of active window. 19:00:38 <peter1138> You can close all windows with delete, however. 19:02:38 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm107.epsilon124.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:05:02 *** Zothar [~Zothar@ppp-70-242-195-135.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #openttd 19:05:10 *** Zothar [~Zothar@ppp-70-242-195-135.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has left #openttd [] 19:10:03 <Milloflex> active window = the one you did your last action in? ;-) 19:10:10 <Milloflex> thanks for the delete suggestion 19:22:56 *** LilDood [~IceChat7@cpc2-bolt5-0-0-cust370.manc.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 19:35:54 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-67-2.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:40:48 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-67-2.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 19:49:23 *** De_Ghosty [~s@76-10-162-8.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:54:40 <fjb> I'm just reading the palette discussion in the forum and the palette diff that MB posted. I'm convinced now that a 32bpp blitter is a great invention. 19:56:14 <SmatZ> @seen Digitalfox 19:56:15 <DorpsGek> SmatZ: Digitalfox was last seen in #openttd 5 days, 0 hours, 23 minutes, and 3 seconds ago: <Digitalfox> How are you Belugas ? 19:56:42 <SmatZ> @tell Digitalfox it was just a sync, sorry :-/ 19:56:42 <DorpsGek> SmatZ: Error: I haven't seen Digitalfox, I'll let you do the telling. 19:56:59 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@user-54470bf2.wfd82a.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:57:08 <peter1138> ... 20:00:53 *** Slowpoke_ [Lobster@dslb-088-073-253-225.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 20:01:30 *** extflyer [~extspotte@host86-150-101-6.range86-150.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 20:01:34 <extflyer> hi 20:03:30 <fjb> Hi extflyer 20:04:47 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: Poef!] 20:08:31 *** Slowpoke [Lobster@dslb-088-073-233-249.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:16:34 *** LilDood [~IceChat7@cpc2-bolt5-0-0-cust370.manc.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Quit: meh bai TF2!] 20:21:40 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-27-115-128.bmly.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 20:29:13 <Milloflex> even if i make a train 'non-stop' it stops at the station. is that correct? 20:31:44 <Rubidium> Milloflex: what version do you have? 20:35:54 <Milloflex> 0.6.2 20:36:34 <peter1138> non-stop means 'don't stop at any station en route to this one' 20:37:17 <peter1138> Unless you turn on that ttdpatch compatible thing, in which case all logic fails and the universe might as well self-destruct. 20:37:36 <Rubidium> in 0.6.2 then the meaning of that flag depends on the "station->ttdpatch compatible non-stop handling" patch setting 20:37:39 *** Zeal [~Ping@78-69-54-150-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:38:12 <Rubidium> which makes non-stop mean that it won't stop at the listed station instead of the not listed stations 20:38:33 <Milloflex> oh ok 20:39:27 <davis-> i hear openttd sounds without running openttd *scared* 20:40:08 * fjb often tried to hit F1 in the irc window. 20:40:41 <davis-> :s 20:41:45 <fjb> But I also saw NWN cicular menu around a doorknob. 20:42:42 <peter1138> I once tried walking through a walk, after, er, playing Doom for a long time. 20:42:46 <peter1138> *wall 20:43:01 <peter1138> idspispopd :D 20:43:01 <Jerimiah40> Does anyone have any idea why a train would be constantly trying to get serviced? 20:44:27 <fjb> peter1138: That may explain some things... 20:46:15 *** rortom [~rortom@p57B7FDE1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:47:03 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:52:01 *** Zealotus [~Ping@78-69-54-150-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 21:01:06 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host86-153-45-29.range86-153.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 21:01:55 *** De_Ghosty [~s@76-10-162-8.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #openttd 21:04:46 <fjb> Trains are kind of "flat" in the TTD world... 21:06:51 <fjb> Or is Purno's tutoial wrong here? It says 7px bit height for train cars, maximum 8px. But the catenary is at 12px? Or is the topmost part of the catenary at 12px? 21:08:22 <frosch123> j 21:08:27 <frosch123> Jerimiah40: maybe http://bugs.openttd.org/task/1762 21:08:59 <peter1138> fjb, I think that's ignoring the roof. 21:09:46 <fjb> Ah, the width of the roof gets added to the height of the side. 21:10:04 <frosch123> 8px is the height of foundations 21:10:27 <Jerimiah40> frosch - it was similar to that. I didn't realize that in the game I joined, we were using electric trains 21:10:29 <frosch123> low bridges are sometimes even lower 21:10:44 <Jerimiah40> so all the diesel trains that I built were trying to autoreplace at non electrified depots 21:11:00 <fjb> I noticed glitches with some bridges. 21:11:20 <fjb> I'm not good at painting... 21:12:17 <frosch123> "with diagonal tracks", "original tubular bridge", "bridge over bridgehead" are known glitches 21:13:51 <frosch123> something different, does anyone know what the railway dictionary is heading for? 21:14:02 <frosch123> most entries are not related to newgrfs at all 21:16:42 <davis-> . 21:16:55 <Milloflex> is transport company ratings the same things that triggers "city refuse to allow building a xxx station here"? 21:17:05 <Milloflex> err. the thing that triggers** 21:17:39 <frosch123> "city refuse to allow building a xxx station here" <- that depends on the rating you can see in the town window 21:21:00 <fjb> Don't know what the dictionary tries to achive. I looked at it and found it not that useful. 21:22:46 <fjb> Ok, it maybe become a bit more useful than the star discussion in german forum. 21:22:56 <frosch123> they are consuming 10 of the 20 lines in "recent changes" 21:23:35 <frosch123> the star discussion is as useful as every off-topic topic 21:24:09 *** spion- [~spion@212-183-80-40.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Quit: zZZzzZZZzuzzZZ] 21:24:50 <fjb> I wanted to vote for the most unusual numer of stars, but my password is no longer valid. 21:25:25 <fjb> The dictionary has a high activity because it is a new project and got advertized. 21:25:27 <Milloflex> frosch123, and the rating you are talking about is 'transport company rating'? 21:26:11 <frosch123> if you want to know the exact name, i would have to start ottd, but it is _not_ the rating in the station window 21:26:16 <frosch123> nor the highscore 21:26:33 <Milloflex> no np 21:26:43 <Milloflex> so if i have a town that i transport to/from much, it will basicly allow me to change more of the city without them getting 'mad'? 21:27:08 <Jerimiah40> Milloflex - The rating you're looking for is the one provided by the local authority 21:27:18 <Milloflex> thanks 21:27:19 <Jerimiah40> you can see that by clicking on the name of the city/town in question 21:27:39 <Jerimiah40> easiest way to raise it is to build trees in the area around the city, imo 21:29:46 *** fmauNekAway is now known as fmauNeko 21:30:25 *** genclay [~mind@cpc1-rdng14-0-0-cust946.winn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 21:31:41 *** Yeggstry [~mind@cpc1-rdng14-0-0-cust946.winn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:41:47 *** welshdragon [~desk@host81-157-252-208.range81-157.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 21:44:10 *** Sacro [Ben@adsl-87-102-119-5.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:46:12 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-119-5.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 21:47:01 <Milloflex> oh. ok 21:52:37 <Jerimiah40> Sometimes you can 'bribe' them, but they'll sometimes catch on and then they'll like you even less 21:52:43 <Jerimiah40> and it costs a ton of money 21:53:07 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i59F5D057.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 21:53:24 *** rortom [~rortom@p57B7FDE1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:54:25 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... looks like i had a power failure while i was gone... 22:01:09 <fjb> Your power? 22:05:17 *** bruce89 [~bruce89@85-210-112-36.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #openttd 22:05:23 *** bruce89 [~bruce89@85-210-112-36.dsl.pipex.com] has left #openttd [] 22:05:31 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-214-162.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:12:52 *** flowOver [~J@S01060016e65abad7.gv.shawcable.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:19:03 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:19:22 <fjb> Now we will never lern to know him... 22:20:20 <Prof_Frink> fjb: Yes, but he's a known unknown. 22:20:43 <fjb> Hm, I have to think about that. 22:22:57 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host86-153-45-29.range86-153.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:26:59 <fjb> Hah, MB is cheating! His pantographs are taller then 12px. 22:27:23 <Prof_Frink> MB has big pance. 22:31:54 *** extflyer [~extspotte@host86-150-101-6.range86-150.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 22:35:10 *** Wolf01|AWAY is now known as Wolf01 22:36:52 *** [com]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:38:31 *** roboboy [3aad2910@67.207.141.120] has joined #openttd 22:47:35 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: [FATAL] Client error: Memory leak - More RAM needed. More! More! More!] 22:59:24 <Eddi|zuHause> fjb: how is that cheating? pantographs MUST be higher than the standard loading gauge 23:00:16 *** genclay is now known as Yeggstry 23:00:58 <Eddi|zuHause> fjb: if you are talking about the perspective, the MIDDLE of the pantograph must be at 12px 23:01:52 <Eddi|zuHause> not even that... the front, as the catenary height is counted from the middle of the track, but the engine is drawn from the front of the track 23:04:27 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause: not always 23:10:41 <roboboy> where do I get binarys for branches? 23:11:20 <Sacro> roboboy: the internet! 23:12:29 *** welshdragon [~desk@host81-157-252-208.range81-157.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:12:37 <Eddi|zuHause> by substituting * with binaries in the topic, possibly 23:14:41 <roboboy> binaries for say cargodest 23:14:57 <Eddi|zuHause> that's not even a branch :p 23:15:09 <roboboy> Ammler: pointed me to the location on friday and ive forgotten where 23:15:12 <Eddi|zuHause> but yes, there should be binaries somewhere 23:15:13 <roboboy> ohwell 23:15:23 <Eddi|zuHause> that's what !logs are for ;) 23:15:26 <roboboy> I got my terms wrong then 23:15:28 <roboboy> ok 23:15:31 <roboboy> !Logs 23:15:42 <SpComb> Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd 23:15:42 <Eddi|zuHause> !logs 23:15:48 <Eddi|zuHause> case sensitivy ftl 23:15:57 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fc8a5.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:24:44 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host86-153-45-29.range86-153.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 23:28:15 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-119-5.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:36:34 *** reldred|gone is now known as reldred 23:36:37 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-119-5.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 23:37:20 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g227017097.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: (~_~]"] 23:47:36 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@users113.kollegienet.dk] has joined #openttd 23:53:17 *** Sacro_ [~Ben@adsl-87-102-119-5.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 23:53:17 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-119-5.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:53:34 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-27-115-128.bmly.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 23:57:14 <Brianetta> Standard Server started. Now contains newgrf stations. 23:57:48 <Sacro_> Brianetta: and added calcium? 23:58:03 <Brianetta> added nothing 23:58:09 <Brianetta> remember, we're dieting 23:59:13 <fjb> Eddi|zuHause: It looks like the pantographs are highter than the catenary. 23:59:42 *** elmex [~elmex@e180066134.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]