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00:01:58 <TrueBrain> lol, the compile-farm is automated in such way, that I sometimes forget that when I make a test-proc, it also immediatly starts to compile it 00:02:06 <TrueBrain> gives nasty suprises from time to time 00:05:51 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@user-54470bf2.wfd82a.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:08:06 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:08:14 *** Celestar [~Jadzia_Da@mnch-5d876ec8.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 00:08:32 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1EAEA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:10:12 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has joined #openttd 00:16:42 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-213-249-187-179.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 00:17:02 <TrueBrain> well, good night to you too Celestar :p 00:21:43 <TrueBrain> why do people always want releases fast and faster? 00:21:57 <TrueBrain> like with some magic new things *poef* appear 00:22:31 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-179-60.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:24:16 *** johnl [~astronar@89.127.170.170] has joined #openttd 00:24:18 <johnl> HEllo all 00:24:33 <johnl> Anyone about? :) 00:25:47 <TrueBrain> doubtful 00:25:49 <TrueBrain> it is the middle of the night 00:26:04 <Belugas> naaa.. only thebeginning of it :) 00:26:12 <johnl> Hehe, well it's the middle of the night here 00:26:17 <johnl> And I'm about to start my work 00:26:24 <johnl> Or I was going to, till I opened OpenTTD :D 00:26:39 <TrueBrain> Belugas: but you are crazy ;) 00:26:46 <johnl> I have a suggestion for OpenTTD 00:26:50 <johnl> Maybe it exists already 00:27:01 <johnl> I see in the Hot-keys that you can easily close all windows etc. 00:27:12 <johnl> It'd be nice to have a button which lets you hide them temporarily 00:27:25 <johnl> Like that feature in Photoshop which lets you hide all the palettes to work on the image 00:27:35 <johnl> Does that exist already? 00:27:48 <SmatZ> I don't remember anyone suggesting that 00:28:02 <TrueBrain> sounds like an idea 00:28:04 <TrueBrain> now code it ;) :p 00:28:07 <SmatZ> :) 00:28:17 <SmatZ> could be done via double-click on the window header 00:28:34 <johnl> I was thinking of a key for it 00:28:35 <johnl> Hmm 00:28:41 <TrueBrain> Zephyris really is going for it ... 00:28:42 <johnl> Tab would've been nice, but it's in use 00:28:43 <Belugas> maybe... but please... NO CTRL-CLICK!!! 00:28:55 <johnl> Caps Lock? :) 00:28:58 <SmatZ> mmm maybe ctrl+alt+shift click 00:29:01 <johnl> Haha 00:29:17 <TrueBrain> one almost would think that OpenGFX is nearing completetion .. 00:29:27 <Belugas> double-ctrl+double-shift + left-right click 00:29:31 <Belugas> use yor feet! 00:29:33 <SmatZ> :-) 00:29:44 <Belugas> true, TrueBrain 00:29:54 <SmatZ> false, FalseBrain 00:29:57 <Belugas> he even extends to new horizons 00:30:04 <johnl> What about backspace? 00:30:17 <johnl> Since delete permanently closes them, it kinda makes sense 00:30:19 <TrueBrain> I last looked at it 2 months ago .. they were at like 30% .. now more like 80% :s 00:30:22 <Belugas> and i'm been called crazy? looks like SmatZ out did me :D 00:30:36 <SmatZ> johnl: you want to affect all windows at once? 00:30:47 <SmatZ> Belugas: :-D 00:30:49 <TrueBrain> Belugas: SmatZ never out does you, don't worry 00:30:54 <SmatZ> :-D 00:31:12 <johnl> SmatZ: Yeah, it's just to clear the whole screen of windows temporarily, so you can see what's happening 00:31:15 <johnl> :) 00:31:29 <SmatZ> or you can play at 1600x1200 00:31:40 <johnl> True 00:32:53 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B774EF.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 00:32:57 <TrueBrain> I never suspected OpenGFX would make it .. 00:33:22 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77492.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:33:25 <johnl> My other idea, which is far more insane, is translating OpenTTD into Irish 00:33:28 <TrueBrain> http://www.tt-forums.net/download/file.php?id=86004 <- that looks cool :) 00:33:51 <SmatZ> johnl: are you a volunteer? :) 00:34:02 <johnl> Possibly! 00:34:03 <johnl> Thing is 00:34:07 <johnl> I doubt anyone would ever use it 00:34:08 <johnl> :/ 00:34:18 <Elukka> i really need to bother to learn blender... 00:34:23 <Elukka> i need to get unlazified 00:34:31 <SmatZ> hmm who uses piglatin... 00:35:42 <nckomodo> TrueBrain how is that water going up/down hill 00:35:51 <nckomodo> is it just disguised canals? 00:35:55 <SmatZ> johnl: http://www.openttd.org/translating.php :) 00:36:03 <johnl> Yeah 00:36:06 <johnl> I'll have a think about it 00:36:15 <johnl> It's a lot of effort to do a translation, isn't it? 00:36:26 <TrueBrain> nckomodo: just enjoy the picture, k? :) 00:36:37 <johnl> The cross-over between people who use Irish and who play OpenTTD is probably me. 00:36:53 <nckomodo> nothing to enjoy really, more to question really 00:36:59 <TrueBrain> johnl: just a little over 3700 strings 00:37:13 <TrueBrain> nckomodo: if you can't enjoy the beauty of tha tpicture, you never played TT :) 00:37:22 <nckomodo> apparently not 00:37:31 <nckomodo> its uh, okay I guess 00:37:40 <nckomodo> I find more beauty in conways game of life 00:38:00 <nckomodo> and the sweet noises it can make 00:38:16 <TrueBrain> I like the way the sun falls in, and the smoothness of the grass :) I hope those guys finish it soon :) 00:38:55 <Elukka> hmm... i could cheat 00:39:09 <Elukka> since a lot of buildings are comparatively simple 3D models, i could do them in sketchup and export to blender 00:39:14 <nckomodo> which reminds me, I need to get fraps and get a youtube video up of the GoL noise generator I made 00:40:36 <TrueBrain> good night all 00:40:41 <TrueBrain> Belugas: have a jolly good day :) 00:40:41 <Elukka> nights 00:40:54 <SmatZ> night TrueBrain 00:42:12 <johnl> Night night :) 00:47:24 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-111-36.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:55:21 *** welshdragon is now known as welshdra-gone 00:55:37 <Elukka> anyone else here like the occasional train sim? 01:15:37 <nckomodo> I think everyone does 01:15:43 <nckomodo> considering this is #openttd 01:19:21 *** fjb [~frank@p5485FFF9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:25:02 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-213-249-187-179.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:28:33 <Elukka> heh 01:29:04 <Elukka> trainz is my current train sim 01:45:20 *** mikl [~mikl@0304ds2-ba.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 02:47:53 <Belugas> nice... can't fnd that patch anymore :( 02:49:59 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has quit [Quit: Quit] 03:01:23 *** Hoju [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has joined #openttd 03:03:00 *** elmex_ [~elmex@e180066168.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 03:04:26 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:07:59 *** elmex [~elmex@e180069024.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:08:25 *** elmex_ is now known as elmex 03:09:26 *** Hoju [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:11:04 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has joined #openttd 03:23:12 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:25:31 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has joined #openttd 03:55:10 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:55:31 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 03:56:20 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has joined #openttd 04:05:27 *** De_Ghosty [~s@76-10-162-14.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:11:40 *** De_Ghosty [~s@76-10-139-140.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #openttd 04:16:22 <Forked> oh. new cargodest build? :) 04:18:31 <Elukka> xfire says i have played 40 hours of openttd this week 04:19:42 *** De_Ghosty [~s@76-10-139-140.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:25:41 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:26:35 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has joined #openttd 04:35:12 *** Pikka [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has joined #openttd 04:35:23 <Pikka> I say I say I say 04:35:33 <Pikka> why do my newgrfs always revert to using the DOS pallete? 04:42:16 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-171-199.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 04:43:42 *** De_Ghosty [~s@76-10-136-30.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #openttd 04:55:09 *** roboboy [3aad2910@67.207.141.120] has joined #openttd 04:56:17 <Forked> boioing 04:56:25 <Forked> roboboy: there was a new cargodest build if you haven't seen :) 04:56:51 <roboboy> ok 04:57:16 *** roboboy [3aad2910@67.207.141.120] has quit [] 04:57:51 *** roboboy [3aad2910@67.207.141.120] has joined #openttd 04:58:02 <roboboy> hello 04:58:41 <Forked> mornin 04:59:09 <roboboy> my client was mucking up 05:01:37 <DaleStan> Pikka: In which revision? There was a bug to that effect that got fixed recently. 05:03:35 *** Celestar [~Jadzia_Da@mnch-5d870226.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 05:03:41 <Celestar> morning 05:04:01 <Forked> heya Celestar :) 05:05:40 <Pikka> 14239, DaleStan 05:06:09 * roboboy ponders just downloading the binary for the latest cargodest 05:07:03 <DaleStan> Ah. It's fixed in 14245, apparently. 05:08:33 <Pikka> okiedokie then 05:09:29 *** mikl [~mikl@0304ds2-ba.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 05:10:36 <Celestar> hi roboboy 05:10:48 <Celestar> roboboy: about your bug report on flyspray 05:11:09 <roboboy> I just replyed with a coment 05:12:26 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:14:12 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has joined #openttd 05:14:15 <roboboy> and it just crashed again 05:14:20 <roboboy> doing the same thing 05:15:25 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-171-199.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: und weg] 05:16:02 <roboboy> with the same version as reported 05:16:46 <roboboy> shall I compile the latest source or download the compiled version 05:31:03 <Celestar> roboboy: you can try the binary. it's the latest 05:38:20 *** De_Ghosty [~s@76-10-136-30.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:38:34 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:39:07 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has joined #openttd 05:40:27 *** Mark [~M4rk@5351EE2E.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:40:37 *** Yexo [~Yexo@dhcp-077-248-065-055.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:40:49 *** Yexo [~Yexo@dhcp-077-248-065-055.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 05:40:55 *** Mark [~M4rk@5351EE2E.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 05:40:57 *** Mark is now known as M4rk 05:41:00 *** M4rk is now known as Mark 05:41:11 *** De_Ghosty [~s@76-10-139-86.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #openttd 05:46:50 * roboboy waits for openttd to crash if it wants to crash 05:48:29 <roboboy> its fixed 05:48:44 <Celestar> I thought so (= 05:54:38 <Rubidium> Celestar: that was a short night :) 05:54:43 <Celestar> Rubidium: very 05:54:50 <Celestar> but I need to do a few things this morning :S 05:56:14 <Celestar> ... 05:56:31 <Celestar> are people really expecting me to debug stuff when the manually patch cargodest with yet something else?! 05:56:48 <Rubidium> Celestar: yes they are 05:57:05 <Forked> you mean to don't do that?!?!+1+1+1oneplusplusoneequalstwo 05:57:16 <Rubidium> for that I added an "unsupported custom build" bug close reason :) 05:57:22 <Celestar> Rubidium: hah 05:57:37 <Celestar> 1) Created with patch version against r14127 combined with daylength-patch against r13691. 05:57:40 <Celestar> Do you need something more? 05:57:41 <Celestar> EXACTLY 05:58:21 <Celestar> we NEED infrastructure sharing with cargodest :P 05:58:39 <Celestar> somehow (= 05:59:01 <Celestar> back in an hour or two 05:59:43 * Forked started page 8 of the cargodest thread 05:59:44 <Forked> I win 06:00:51 <Forked> Celestar: that does sound fun - can play coop games with our own companies :) 06:01:34 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host86-153-45-29.range86-153.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:03:03 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host86-153-45-29.range86-153.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 06:03:28 <roboboy> I accidently reported a bug the other day 06:03:44 <roboboy> I was just asking a question 06:06:19 <Celestar> oh man I need to code less 06:06:35 <Celestar> every time I see a ":" in the headline of a newpaper I think about "inherits from" 06:08:06 <Celestar> ok bbl really 06:08:08 *** Celestar [~Jadzia_Da@mnch-5d870226.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 06:17:47 *** rortom [~rortom@p57B7F7B7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 06:25:45 *** mikl [~mikl@0304ds2-ba.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 06:35:19 *** rortom [~rortom@p57B7F7B7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:47:11 *** Sir-Bob [~chatzilla@c114-76-62-29.eburwd4.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 06:51:31 *** Yeggzzz is now known as Yeggs-coding 06:51:45 *** Yeggs-coding is now known as Yeggs-away 06:52:34 <ccfreak2k> Survived:Deceased 06:53:48 *** Pikka is now known as Pikka|afk 07:05:30 <roboboy> is it possible to with the patch to disable building infrastructure when there is no available vehicles to make the menue hide those options instead of grey them out like TTD did as I prefer it like that 07:05:34 *** Mortal [~mortal@217.61.144.15] has joined #openttd 07:13:33 *** Celestar [~Jadzia_Da@129.187.69.65] has joined #openttd 07:16:23 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5F890.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 07:28:35 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-111-36.fttx.bbned.nl] has joined #openttd 07:30:17 *** Wezz6400 is now known as Guest5377 07:30:19 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-111-36.fttx.bbned.nl] has joined #openttd 07:33:14 *** mikl [~mikl@cpe.ge-0-2-0-812.0x50c774be.boanqu1.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 07:36:39 *** Guest5377 [~Wezz6400@145-118-111-36.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:43:54 *** Mortal [~mortal@217.61.144.15] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:47:28 *** flowOver [~J@S01060016e65abad7.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 07:50:19 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:51:58 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has joined #openttd 07:56:54 *** Mortal [~mortal@217.61.144.15] has joined #openttd 08:02:03 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host86-153-45-29.range86-153.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:09:45 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host86-153-45-29.range86-153.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 08:17:01 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 08:17:47 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host86-153-45-29.range86-153.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:18:18 *** fjb [~frank@p5485FFF9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:18:24 <fjb> Hello 08:18:44 <[com]buster> hi 08:31:43 *** Mortal [~mortal@217.61.144.15] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:32:11 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host86-153-45-29.range86-153.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 08:34:31 *** Mortal [~mortal@217.61.144.15] has joined #openttd 08:39:31 *** roboboy [3aad2910@67.207.141.120] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 08:40:40 *** Volley [~worf@84-119-53-183.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #openttd 08:44:11 *** roboboy [3aad2910@67.207.141.120] has joined #openttd 08:44:19 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 08:44:39 *** roboboy [3aad2910@67.207.141.120] has quit [] 08:45:18 *** roboboy [3aad2910@67.207.141.120] has joined #openttd 08:51:32 *** roboboy [3aad2910@67.207.141.120] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 09:01:31 *** larsemil [~larsemil@192-173-96-87.cust.blixtvik.se] has left #openttd [] 09:02:03 <Celestar> hm 09:02:18 <peter1138> Morning. 09:02:20 <Celestar> I have some weird yapp issue when a station track is often not cleared 09:02:24 <Celestar> hey peter1138 , how is it? 09:03:23 <Celestar> so who's maintaining yapp? 09:04:01 <peter1138> Us. 09:04:32 <Celestar> us being? 09:04:36 <peter1138> Us. 09:04:53 <peter1138> Us OpenTTD developers. 09:05:23 <peter1138> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/2265 < Related? 09:07:12 <Celestar> yeah 09:07:15 <Celestar> apparently the same 09:07:20 <Celestar> because I had one non-elrail tile :o 09:14:21 *** Deathmaker [~death@a89-183-10-214.net-htp.de] has joined #openttd 09:15:03 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 09:17:40 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@86.89.201.189] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 09:21:27 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:21:27 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 09:22:36 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:23:06 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has joined #openttd 09:24:51 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-213-249-187-179.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 09:30:23 *** nekx [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 09:35:34 *** Mortal [~mortal@217.61.144.15] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:36:18 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@bib-theater33.hku.nl] has joined #openttd 09:37:21 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@bib-theater33.hku.nl] has quit [] 09:44:43 *** reldred|gone is now known as reldred 09:52:15 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:52:46 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has joined #openttd 09:56:02 *** Pikka|afk is now known as Pikka 09:57:45 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 10:02:51 <Pikka> losers! 10:02:52 *** FR^2 [~frquadrat@oscar.frquadrat.de] has joined #openttd 10:03:11 <Pikka> :O 10:03:18 <TrueBrain> :o 10:03:24 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-213-249-187-179.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:03:38 *** welshdra-gone is now known as welshdragon 10:03:47 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:03:47 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 10:09:42 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 10:09:46 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has joined #openttd 10:14:35 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truebrain * r14246 /branches/noai/src/ai/api/ai_road.cpp: [NoAI] -Change: DriveThroughStations (from the correct side) are also a valid Neighbour in GetNeighbourRoadCount (patch by Rubidium) 10:15:53 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C85E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:21:52 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:23:56 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has joined #openttd 10:24:02 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truebrain * r14247 /branches/noai/src/ai/api/ (ai_airport.hpp.sq ai_error.hpp.sq): [NoAI] -Fix: someone forgot to update the .sq files (well, several times over time ;)) 10:25:20 <Ammler> drive through, is the missing penalty of foreign stops fixed? 10:28:47 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truebrain * r14248 /branches/noai/ (5 files in 2 dirs): 10:28:47 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: [NoAI] -Change [API CHANGE]: AISign.GetText() -> AISign.GetName() (more consistant) 10:28:47 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: [NoAI] -Add: AISign.SetName() (on request) 10:29:08 <peter1138> Pikka, no, we are winnders, for we have UKRS, and NARS2, and stuffs! 10:37:28 *** [com]buster is now known as Combuster 10:38:40 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 10:39:17 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:39:24 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 10:39:33 *** Combuster is now known as [gone]buster 10:47:02 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:47:07 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:48:16 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-229-11.prem.tmns.net.au] has joined #openttd 10:48:39 <Pikka> how rare 10:50:09 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 10:50:16 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 10:50:24 *** Yexo [~Yexo@dhcp-077-248-065-055.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:53:20 *** johnl_ [~astronar@89.127.170.170] has joined #openttd 10:53:26 *** johnl [~astronar@89.127.170.170] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:57:53 <Pikka> peter, did you do anything with my town building feature request the other day? :) 11:00:19 *** [gone]buster is now known as [com]buster 11:01:04 *** Deathmaker [~death@a89-183-10-214.net-htp.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:02:54 *** grumbel [~grumbel@i577BB291.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 11:07:12 *** Mortal [~mortal@217.61.144.15] has joined #openttd 11:07:16 <peter1138> I might've done. What was it? 11:08:13 *** mikl [~mikl@cpe.ge-0-2-0-812.0x50c774be.boanqu1.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: mikl] 11:08:50 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:09:08 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has joined #openttd 11:10:22 <Pikka> coords of building and of town 11:10:36 <Pikka> xy 11:11:15 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has joined #openttd 11:11:19 *** mikl [~mikl@cpe.ge-0-2-0-812.0x50c774be.boanqu1.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 11:19:08 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has joined #openttd 11:20:42 *** Mortal [~mortal@217.61.144.15] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:26:02 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 11:26:06 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has joined #openttd 11:27:20 *** FR^2 [~frquadrat@oscar.frquadrat.de] has quit [Quit: Connection reset by caffein depletion...] 11:30:39 <TrueBrain> who of you guys is bored enough to update this list: http://www.openttd.org/about.php 11:30:58 <peter1138> Not me. 11:31:01 <Pikka> not I! 11:31:12 <TrueBrain> did I ask who not? No. I asked who was. 11:31:23 <Pikka> oh okay 11:31:25 <TrueBrain> (104 people saying: not me, is not that useful ;)) 11:31:25 <Pikka> Ammler 11:31:36 <peter1138> Yes, Ammler wants to do it. 11:31:44 <TrueBrain> okay, Ammler, I expect result within the hour 11:31:47 <TrueBrain> (Hehe :)) 11:31:59 <Ammler> :P 11:32:37 * peter1138 ponders a Roland RC-55. 11:32:44 <Ammler> "an AI that is actually worthy of its name " <-- already noAI there? 11:32:58 <TrueBrain> Ammler: hehe, no, and please remove such non-sense 11:33:06 <TrueBrain> (really, who added that?!) 11:33:15 <TrueBrain> I know no AI worthy of its name in trunk 11:33:21 <TrueBrain> well .. only if you call it dumbAI 11:33:36 <Forked> AuI .. aritifical unintelligence 11:34:22 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@user-54470bf2.wfd82a.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 11:35:40 *** fjb_ [~frank@p5485D8D8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:36:32 *** flowOver [~J@S01060016e65abad7.gv.shawcable.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:38:16 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:40:03 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has joined #openttd 11:40:18 *** fjb [~frank@p5485FFF9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:41:27 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:41:33 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 11:49:19 <Ammler> about.php looks quite empty 11:50:16 <TrueBrain> how do you mean? 11:50:56 <Ammler> http://vcs.openttd.org/svn/browser/extra/website/about.php <-- not much to edit? 11:51:03 <Ammler> where is the content? 11:51:08 <TrueBrain> in the DB 11:51:11 <TrueBrain> so use the result of the page 11:51:12 <TrueBrain> copy that 11:51:28 <TrueBrain> as I don't need it to update that page, but I need it to add it to an other page ... 11:52:39 <Ammler> hmm, then it might be best to copy it to the wiki for review... 11:53:36 <TrueBrain> isn't there already a page on the wiki saying almost the same? 11:53:50 <Ammler> I am checking right now 11:53:53 <Ammler> there are about 3 pages 11:54:03 <Ammler> a comparision with TTDPatch 11:54:09 <Ammler> another one with NewGRFs 11:54:21 <TrueBrain> lol 11:54:37 <Ammler> and a page which shows new Featues form major release to major release 11:55:25 <Ammler> http://wiki.openttd.org/wiki/index.php/New_Features_Since_0.5.0 11:57:05 <TrueBrain> well, we need a nice summary for the frontpage 11:57:10 <TrueBrain> with not overdoing it 11:57:14 <TrueBrain> and possible links to the wiki for more info 12:04:22 *** Pikka is now known as Pikka|tf2 12:04:22 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:04:38 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 12:06:33 <dih> hey ho 12:09:17 <TrueBrain> hi dih :) 12:09:24 <dih> hey is you TrueBrain ? 12:10:21 <TrueBrain> you english speak do? 12:10:38 <dih> at times i try 12:10:40 <dih> :-P 12:10:55 <dih> oh - that was supposed to be 'how is you... 12:11:06 <TrueBrain> even so 12:11:08 <TrueBrain> not english ;) 12:11:13 <TrueBrain> but I am fine :) Working hard .. :) 12:11:14 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has quit [Quit: ecke] 12:11:47 <TrueBrain> and currently I seem to leak red liquid from my head 12:11:49 <TrueBrain> is that a bad thing? 12:12:44 <SmatZ> + return (::IsTileType(tile, MP_CLEAR) && ::GetClearGround(tile) == CLEAR_ROCKS); 12:12:53 <SmatZ> errr wrong windoe 12:13:00 <TrueBrain> hehe 12:13:34 <dih> openttd_django.urls 12:13:49 <TrueBrain> dih: wrong channel 12:13:51 <dih> could it be that you have a "^ " too many infront of most lines 12:13:54 <dih> ah 12:15:40 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has joined #openttd 12:20:17 *** roboboy [3aad2910@67.207.141.120] has joined #openttd 12:20:19 *** roboboy [3aad2910@67.207.141.120] has quit [] 12:20:43 <dih> www.openttd.org/abaut.php "an AI that is actually worthy of its name " <- LOL 12:21:03 *** roboboy [3aad2910@67.207.141.120] has joined #openttd 12:24:54 <dih> Ammler? 12:24:57 <dih> ah forget it :-P 12:25:01 *** Sir-Bob [~chatzilla@c114-76-62-29.eburwd4.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0.1/2008070208]] 12:27:46 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 12:30:27 *** Tim [~Tim@p5B37E5F5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:31:44 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 12:36:31 <Ammler> actually, waypoints are still no replacement for "dummy 1 tile stations" :-) 12:37:14 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truebrain * r14249 /branches/noai/ (5 files in 2 dirs): 12:37:14 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: [NoAI] -Add: various landscape query routines (AITile.IsSnowTile, ..) (on request) 12:37:14 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: [NoAI] -Add: AITile.PlantTree(Rectangle) (on request) 12:38:09 <Eddi|zuHause> AI learning how to cheat the rating system? 12:40:08 <SmatZ> :) 12:40:25 <FauxFaux> <3 12:45:07 <Ammler> 1. run, now new things :-) http://wiki.openttd.org/wiki/index.php?title=Website%2FAbout&diff=28838&oldid=28837 12:46:21 *** mikl [~mikl@cpe.ge-0-2-0-812.0x50c774be.boanqu1.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: mikl] 12:50:15 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-171-199.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 12:50:56 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-182-102.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 12:50:56 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@62.113.133.253] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:52:27 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:53:11 *** Pikka|tf2 is now known as Pikka 12:53:48 *** nekx [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:54:20 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:54:25 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has joined #openttd 12:56:06 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@62.113.133.253] has joined #openttd 12:56:13 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@86.89.201.189] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 13:02:55 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:04:37 <roboboy> whats the mercurial source path for cargodest 13:04:53 <TrueBrain> http://hg.openttd.org/developers/celestar/cargodest.hg/ 13:05:13 <roboboy> thank you 13:06:21 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 13:08:48 *** fjb_ [~frank@p5485D8D8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:10:40 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:10:58 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has joined #openttd 13:14:41 <roboboy> how long will it take mercurial to download all the files roughly? 13:15:15 <roboboy> its at adding changes and is working' 13:15:48 <roboboy> and I have a .hg dir 13:15:52 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@bib-theater60.hku.nl] has joined #openttd 13:16:37 <Eddi|zuHause> the first checkout (hg clone) takes quite long 13:16:56 <Eddi|zuHause> the incremental ones (hg pull) don't take very long afterwards 13:17:02 <roboboy> ok 13:17:43 <Eddi|zuHause> you don't copy the files, you copy the whole repository (i.e. all changesets individually) 13:17:57 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@bib-theater60.hku.nl] has quit [] 13:23:50 <roboboy> do I compile the source just like any source? 13:24:13 <roboboy> once finished cloneing 13:26:28 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, ./configure && make 13:26:44 <Ammler> what do you think about? http://wiki.openttd.org/wiki/index.php?title=Website%2FAbout&diff=28845&oldid=28837 13:27:05 <Ammler> links to wiki could be added too. 13:27:47 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 13:27:50 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:28:11 <TrueBrain> looks good Ammler 13:28:19 <Eddi|zuHause> hey... i was thinking today... (in conjunction with "individual traffic"), how good would the system cope (pool size, memory usage, destination generation) when every tile was a station? 13:28:48 <dih> 15:27 < Eddi|zuHause> hey... i was thinking today... <- no way! 13:29:04 <Ammler> cheats can be removed... 13:29:23 *** davis- [~asd@p5B28BB64.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 13:29:48 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g227080063.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 13:30:54 <Ammler> also replaced patches with advanced options 13:31:20 <Ammler> the dear translators should do that too ;-) 13:31:45 <glx> I did it a long time ago for french ;) 13:31:49 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 13:32:37 <Eddi|zuHause> in this idea, passengers could "walk" from one "station" to an adjacent station, and continue to do so to their target. they will "walk" to a player's station and take their vehicles when they offer a better route to the destination. in later years, the passengers could "drive cars" along roads, and the evaluation of the "best route" would change 13:33:05 <Eddi|zuHause> that way, you would have to improve your network, or you won't get any further passengers 13:33:26 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:33:32 <dih> did you sleep well Eddi? 13:33:34 <Ammler> hmm, now we need something for 32bpp 13:33:56 <Eddi|zuHause> also, you can get away with building a station 2km outside the village, without worrying about "catchment area" 13:34:02 <dih> support for 32 bit graphics 13:34:03 <Ammler> glx: the german translators are all dead... 13:34:10 * dih is here 13:34:19 <Celestar> catchment area are quickly disabled 13:34:19 <dih> i am alive :-P 13:34:24 <Eddi|zuHause> because the passengers would "walk" the way into the village 13:34:29 <Celestar> Eddi|zuHause: but to answer your question: not well 13:34:40 <Ammler> dih: I mean the official translators :P 13:34:50 <Ammler> or are you one of them? 13:34:58 <dih> you mean for translating the game strings? 13:35:02 <Ammler> yes. 13:35:06 <dih> yes i am one of them :-P 13:35:41 <Eddi|zuHause> there haven't been any updates to the german translation in months... 13:36:31 <dih> not true 13:36:35 <dih> there have been a few updates 13:36:39 <dih> small thingies 13:36:40 <ecke> is there any "stable" version with infrastucture sharing? nothing else only sharing 13:37:01 <dih> that is a cute request 13:37:11 <dih> you wanna patch something to your liking and call it stable ? 13:37:18 <Ammler> dih: it might be worth, you are trying to open OpenTTD and check the strings there too. 13:38:35 <Eddi|zuHause> dih: have you ever considered www.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/german_plural.txt 13:38:47 <Eddi|zuHause> gnah 13:39:03 <Eddi|zuHause> www.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/german_plural.diff 13:39:11 <dih> i have only been added to the translators a few weeks ago 13:40:11 <Eddi|zuHause> and i made that diff half a year ago 13:40:23 * yorick congratulates dih 13:40:47 <roboboy> whats the difference between release and debug? 13:41:21 <Eddi|zuHause> roboboy: release is usually more optimised 13:41:25 <dih> roboby: i'll let you google those 2 words, or check wikipedia :-P 13:41:34 <roboboy> ok 13:41:55 <Eddi|zuHause> roboboy: while debug makes it easier to see what is going on during the running system 13:42:35 <dih> MaSch just did like 41 strings in german.... 13:46:02 <Eddi|zuHause> there were no translation updates between 20. March and 20. August 13:46:23 <dih> there were no commited updates.... 13:46:25 <dih> that is something else 13:46:35 <dih> and that is not quite true 13:46:53 <Eddi|zuHause> only "apply changes from english.txt to all language files" inbetween 13:46:58 <Eddi|zuHause> no real translation 13:47:44 <dih> 21. august was one commit 13:48:04 <Eddi|zuHause> and 21. august is "between 20. march and 20. august"? 13:49:28 <dih> oh - i read 30th :-D 13:49:29 <Celestar> Eddi|zuHause: if 20 march and 20 august in in different years ... 13:50:36 <Eddi|zuHause> "when do christmas and new year fall into the same year?" 13:53:46 *** Tim [~Tim@p5B37E5F5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:55:40 <Ammler> dih: a liesmich.txt would be nice 13:57:22 *** reldred is now known as reldred|gone 13:57:35 <dih> Unexpected sprite. -> Unerwartete Cola 13:57:37 <dih> :-P 13:57:42 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@bib-theater60.hku.nl] has joined #openttd 13:57:58 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@bib-theater60.hku.nl] has quit [] 13:58:13 <Eddi|zuHause> zitronengeschmackhaltiges Zuckerwasser 13:59:29 <Eddi|zuHause> (that is likely the longest word written here in the past few months) 14:00:18 *** mikl [~mikl@0304ds2-ba.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 14:00:29 <ecke> ... we play TiPP version but cometimes sync error... and now wehn client want to connect they dont see companies, when i was to se full cargo in goto i see crash.... 14:00:53 <ecke> set 14:00:53 <Eddi|zuHause> we don't support patch packs here. 14:01:01 <ecke> ok ... 14:01:18 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@bib-theater60.hku.nl] has joined #openttd 14:01:42 <Eddi|zuHause> http://failblog.org/2008/09/04/parking-lot-fail-2/ <- wtf? 14:01:54 <ecke> is there any possibility how to try fix these proplems while playing? ... i mean try to delete network ID ... or something 14:02:17 <Eddi|zuHause> ecke: make a savegame on the server, and restart the server 14:03:48 <ecke> and is there any others which can help? ... repack game... reset some variables ... dont use PBS ...? 14:04:11 <ecke> i would like some pack but only with sharing to minimaze problems 14:04:18 <Eddi|zuHause> patch packs are known to be unstable 14:04:24 <ecke> a dont want some smokes and others blafs 14:05:00 <Eddi|zuHause> track sharing used to have problems when combined with PBS 14:05:07 <ecke> i know... but how to minimaze these problems... 14:05:23 <ecke> yes thats why we dont use them 14:05:27 <Eddi|zuHause> other than "don't use track sharing"? 14:05:56 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@bib-theater60.hku.nl] has quit [] 14:05:58 <ecke> i switched pbs off in settings 14:07:06 <Eddi|zuHause> if you really only want track sharing, no other patch, then you can try to compile just this patch 14:07:21 <Eddi|zuHause> or check if there are precompiled binaries in the patch thread 14:07:43 <ecke> we have mostly huge rail system connected to each other a ... incidentally crash .... bad :/ 14:08:02 * roboboy waits for visual studio 14:08:26 <ecke> Eddi|zuHause and is there any chance that sharing will be in stable soon? 14:09:00 <Eddi|zuHause> if "soon" means "within the next 2 years", maybe... 14:09:08 <ecke> :D 14:09:09 <ecke> ... 14:09:28 <Eddi|zuHause> in the current state, i wouldn't count on it 14:09:47 <ecke> so I really forward to signals in tunnels and bridges 14:09:57 <Ammler> ecke: we use sharing every half year, so it should be at least from time to time be a working patch there 14:09:59 <ecke> Eddi|zuHause why not? ... for unstablity 14:10:05 *** fjb [~frank@p5485BE27.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:10:26 <Ammler> (we=wwottdgd) 14:10:57 <Ammler> you could try the last wwottdgd patch 14:11:00 <yorick> "please define the CC/CXX environment to where it is located" <-- how to do that? 14:11:04 <ecke> Ammler .... i exactly dont understand 14:11:23 <ecke> Ammler you are developer of sharing? 14:11:40 <yorick> he isn't 14:11:42 <Eddi|zuHause> yorick: with VS? you don't. 14:11:52 <yorick> Eddi: not with VS 14:11:54 <glx> yorick: it didn't detect gcc/g++ 14:12:01 <yorick> I know that 14:12:08 <Eddi|zuHause> with all other environments, that should be already defined 14:12:26 <yorick> I can run gcc from bash 14:12:32 <yorick> so I think it's the variable 14:12:39 <Eddi|zuHause> export CC=`which gcc` 14:12:53 <yorick> thanks :-P 14:12:54 <Eddi|zuHause> export CXX=`which g++` 14:13:00 <Ammler> yorick: I am :P 14:13:06 <yorick> no you aren't 14:13:13 <Ammler> I wrote the most important patch for wwottdgd :P 14:13:58 <Ammler> ecke: well, he is right, I am not. 14:14:53 <ecke> Ammler but you know a lot of about sharing... if yes... could you send me topic where is newest version... I ll try to compile :D 14:15:26 <Ammler> ecke: there is one patch about IS, you should know that one 14:15:34 <yorick> Eddi: it did not work... 14:15:38 <Ammler> one thread 14:16:10 <Eddi|zuHause> yorick: your environment is screwed 14:16:24 <ecke> Ammler I play OTTD twotimes in year :) ... so 14:16:28 <yorick> I'm just installing a new enviroment, because my old one was screwed 14:16:30 <Eddi|zuHause> yorick: what's the output of ./configure? 14:16:41 <Ammler> ecke: http://wiki.openttd.org/wiki/index.php/Wwottdgd 14:17:05 <yorick> http://paste.openttd.org/79688 14:17:18 <Ammler> ecke: last event: http://wiki.openttd.org/wiki/index.php/WWOTTDGD2#Development_Roadmap 14:18:09 <Eddi|zuHause> what does windres do? 14:18:45 <yorick> ? 14:19:02 <Yexo> man windres: windres - manipulate Windows resources. 14:19:12 <yorick> Eddi: not being installed 14:19:23 <ecke> max clients number is 55 ... holy :D 14:19:30 <Eddi|zuHause> yorick: then you forgot a step in installing mingw/msys? 14:19:32 <ecke> 55 players building on one map? 14:19:44 <hylje> thats the point goddamn 14:19:45 <ecke> is it stable game? 14:19:59 <Eddi|zuHause> ecke: with tracksharing that is like 7 players per company 14:20:01 <yorick> Eddi: where should windres be? 14:20:17 <Eddi|zuHause> yorick: installed :p 14:20:28 <ecke> Eddi|zuHause looks good... how long is one game? 14:20:32 <Eddi|zuHause> yorick: follow exactly the instructions on the wiki 14:21:02 <Eddi|zuHause> ecke: i have not taken part there... i'd guess one weekend 14:21:08 <yorick> yes, it failed compiling wget 14:21:37 <Eddi|zuHause> compiling?!? 14:21:39 <yorick> but the wget errors are not helpful 14:21:44 <ecke> Build with the Terrain. You either go around/over/through or you don't go at all! We are going to add a grf to significantly increase terraforming costs. Why? Because we want to preserve the landscape, amongst other things. ..... so thats nice .. but without signals in tunnels and bridges 14:21:44 <yorick> yes, compiling 14:21:54 <Ammler> ecke: we played 2 games yet 14:22:06 <Eddi|zuHause> why would you compile anything when installing mingw? 14:22:09 <Ammler> one a year ago, the other 2 months 14:22:28 <Ammler> those games took around 30 hours. 14:22:31 <yorick> Eddi: because you need to install libs 14:22:36 <ecke> Ammler and this version which you play.. is it "stable" 14:22:50 <Eddi|zuHause> yorick: you can get BINARIES. 14:22:53 <Ammler> it was stable "enough" 14:23:09 <ecke> no desync and others? 14:23:26 <Ammler> not no, but few 14:23:44 <ecke> but game was finished by you not by bug? :)) 14:23:46 <yorick> Eddi: from what is described in the wiki, "Compiling wget" 14:23:56 <Ammler> last game, we had trouble with replace as all 0.6er has 14:24:09 <Eddi|zuHause> yorick: skip that part. get wget binaries 14:24:26 <yorick> installing binutils should do 14:24:39 <yorick> :-P 14:24:44 <dih> Ammler: we could start planing #3 14:24:44 <ecke> Ammler ... our games mostly finish by bug or desync :/ 14:25:16 <ecke> Ammler ... replace? ... what is this problem? 14:25:21 <yorick> Eddi: the binaries sometimes fail at being vista-compatible 14:25:27 <Eddi|zuHause> yorick: my philosophy is: do not compile any code that you did not modify yourself 14:25:44 <Eddi|zuHause> for everything else there should be binary packages 14:25:53 <yorick> curiously, the wget mingwPORT includes wget, so it can download and compile itself :-p 14:26:20 <Ammler> dih: you want to make next game in 2 weeks :P 14:26:38 <dih> hehe 14:26:43 <dih> i would not manage that this time 14:26:45 <dih> hehe 14:27:31 <Ammler> we wait for cargodest in trunk :-) 14:27:46 <ecke> Ammler ... where can I download your version? 14:27:47 <Ammler> cargodest with IS could be fun 14:28:17 <Celestar> Ammler: we're planning that (= 14:28:17 <Ammler> ecke: let me check 14:28:36 <Ammler> hehe :-D 14:28:53 <Celestar> at least peter1138 and I are dreaming of it :P 14:29:39 <Eddi|zuHause> but when you divide into local and long-distance companies, the local companies will hopelessly go down with the negative transfer income 14:30:35 <ecke> "Ammler: ecke: let me check" ? 14:30:56 <Ammler> the wwottdgd server is currently down 14:31:04 <Eddi|zuHause> ecke: he must search where he put it :p 14:31:15 <ecke> Eddi|zuHause :D ok 14:31:27 <Ammler> in which "ecke" 14:31:44 <Eddi|zuHause> :p 14:31:45 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@78-21-228-27.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 14:31:50 <yorick> "sys/socket.h: No such file or directory" hmpf 14:32:24 <Eddi|zuHause> yorick: really... don't compile anything... 14:32:43 <Celestar> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=725688#p725688 <= I do _NOT_ like the tone of this guy 14:32:49 <Eddi|zuHause> the person who wrote compiling in the wiki is an idiot... 14:32:55 <yorick> still, why does it miss sys/socket.h 14:34:53 <yorick> Eddi: the latest available wget binary is 1.11.9 14:35:07 *** fjb [~frank@p5485BE27.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:35:10 <yorick> 1.11.4* 14:35:14 <Eddi|zuHause> yorick: so? 14:35:20 <yorick> that's ancient 14:35:32 <Eddi|zuHause> yorick: so? 14:35:53 <yorick> ancient isn't good if you are trying to upgrade 14:36:37 <Eddi|zuHause> wget --version 14:36:38 <Eddi|zuHause> GNU Wget 1.11.1 14:37:02 <Eddi|zuHause> it can't be that ancient... 14:37:06 <Celestar> bbl 14:37:10 *** Celestar [~Jadzia_Da@129.187.69.65] has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:37:18 <yorick> latest is Wget 1.9 14:37:27 <Eddi|zuHause> 11>9? 14:38:13 <Ammler> ecke: http://wwottdgd.openttdcoop.org/patches/2/ 14:38:15 <yorick> 1.11.9* 14:38:54 <Ammler> but that isn't the final one :-) 14:39:00 <Ammler> it is only the final client 14:39:08 <Eddi|zuHause> yorick: you really suck... you are now on /ignore... i can't handle you anymore... 14:39:24 <yorick> :( 14:39:45 <ecke> Ammler ... ou i think you could send me win32 and linux version (client, server) ... :)) 14:40:01 <Ammler> ha 14:40:04 <ecke> :) 14:40:23 <Ammler> well, I check... :P 14:40:54 <Ammler> ecke: win32 client: http://www.tt-forums.net/download/file.php?id=94274 14:40:59 <ecke> ohh .... thx ... I am looking forward to play, without errors 14:41:28 <Ammler> hmm 14:41:42 *** [BiG^BrotheR] [Dr-DreaM@87.101.133.222] has joined #openttd 14:41:45 <Ammler> I will add those links to the wiki, else I spam here too much... 14:42:20 <ecke> :) 14:43:32 <yorick> it should auto-disable checking libpng and freetype if zlib is not found, instead of error 14:44:07 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B840CF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:44:28 <Rubidium> nah, it should give a big error when zlib is not found 14:45:45 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 14:45:46 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80347.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 14:45:47 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 14:46:05 <roboboy> gnight soon 14:46:12 <Eddi|zuHause> bigger than the one when sdl is not found (and which still everyone ignores)? 14:46:45 <yorick> I dont care about sdl, I don't need sdl, and I don't use sdl 14:46:58 <ecke> it will be nice ... so now I am ready to play... but I know man, he has this http://www.tweetyservers.com/ ... around 30 servers... he would like to run ottd public server... he has debian on server... so if you could send me files for linux ... and if I will have still power... I could run server for wwottdgd3 or other... server have 2Gb/s ... and its really high performance server 14:47:10 <yorick> Rubidium: --without-zlib should disable the other warnings then 14:47:12 <Eddi|zuHause> yorick: i meant "no videodriver" 14:47:18 <yorick> :) 14:47:43 <Rubidium> without zlib makes openttd more unuseable than missing sdl 14:48:10 <yorick> just it has no saveload compatibility... 14:48:17 *** thvdburgt [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 14:48:28 <glx> savegames are compatible ;) 14:48:39 <yorick> glx: if you unpack them first 14:48:50 *** [BiG^BrotheR] [Dr-DreaM@87.101.133.222] has quit [Quit: ][DreaM-ScripT][] 14:48:56 <Eddi|zuHause> he means making savegames. 14:48:58 <glx> any other client can open uncompressed saves 14:49:11 <yorick> yes 14:52:43 *** fjb [~frank@p5485DAA1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:52:57 <ecke> Ammler ^^^ 14:55:36 *** LilDood [~IceChat7@cpc2-bolt5-0-0-cust370.manc.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 14:56:09 <Ammler> ecke: http://wiki.openttd.org/wiki/index.php/World_Wide_OpenTTD_Game_Day/2#Bundles 14:57:11 <ecke> Ammler nice... i see that no grf for trams in pack 14:57:27 <Ammler> of course 14:58:44 <dih> "service non-stop at" 14:58:47 <dih> a non-stop service :-P 14:58:53 <dih> never stop servicing :-D 14:59:02 <ecke> you dont use trams in wwottdgd? 14:59:17 <Ammler> we used around 50 NewGRFs 14:59:31 <Ammler> I am sure, there was a tramset 15:00:20 <ecke> 50? :D 15:00:28 <Ammler> well, maybe more 15:00:42 <ecke> could you add all files to web? :) 15:00:47 <Ammler> no 15:00:53 <ecke> i want to try :) 15:01:17 <Ammler> let me look for the start save 15:03:27 <ecke> hmm ... in your version.... when the asiastar go uphill ... its too much slow down 15:03:48 <Ammler> ecke: default settings 15:04:16 *** roboboy [3aad2910@67.207.141.120] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 15:04:36 <ecke> what do you think... can i use settings from tiPP or is it risky? 15:06:05 <ecke> i ll try it 15:07:01 <dih> Eddi|zuHause: 85 strings on next commit ;-) 15:07:07 <Ammler> ecke: try that save: http://wwottdgd.openttdcoop.org/save/uploads/wwottdgd2_trunk_r13584_final_h.sav 15:07:21 <ecke> timeout 15:07:32 <ecke> i have timeout from this web 15:09:04 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 15:09:40 *** Reemo [Dr_Jekyll@p57B0E2E3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:11:43 * yorick finally completed installing a sane enviroment 15:13:43 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r14250 /trunk/src/lang/ (11 files): (log message trimmed) 15:13:43 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2008-09-05 15:13:08 15:13:43 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: afrikaans - 9 fixed by TrueTenacity (9) 15:13:43 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: croatian - 19 fixed by tperic (19) 15:13:43 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: czech - 5 fixed, 50 changed by Hadez (55) 15:13:45 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: dutch - 5 fixed by habell (5) 15:13:45 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: estonian - 9 fixed by kristjans (9) 15:14:09 <peter1138> Oh, translations are no longer committed 'by' mihamix :) 15:14:39 <TrueBrain> peter1138: for a long time that is already 15:15:13 <peter1138> Only a month. 15:15:52 *** thvdburgt [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:15:55 <yorick> would it be possible for the makefile.bundle to support 7zip? 15:16:07 <TrueBrain> peter1138: well, ever since svn+ssh was introduced ;) 15:16:31 <TrueBrain> even more as MiHaMiX himself didn't commit anything for like 6 months :p 15:17:02 <Rubidium> if 7zip has a command line tool then you can add that 15:17:17 <dih> hehe 15:17:42 <yorick> Rubidium: 7zip is a commandline utility with a gui 15:17:42 <Rubidium> otherwise you need to install autoit or so and script it that way 15:18:48 <TrueBrain> any pack-tool which comes with a GUI can't be any good 15:20:38 <orudge> yorick: if we already support zip, tar.gz and tar.bz2, though, do we really need another format though, imho? 15:20:59 <yorick> orudge: do you support zip for windows? 15:21:14 <orudge> do I support it? 15:21:20 <orudge> well, Windows binaries are distributed as .exe and .zip, no? 15:21:29 <orudge> and source is in .zip, .tgz and .tbz2 15:21:39 <yorick> those are built from linux 15:21:44 <dih> so? 15:21:50 <dih> what's the issue yorick? 15:21:59 <TrueBrain> if you make a .zip in linux, you can't read it from windows? 15:22:03 <glx> a zip is a zip 15:22:05 <orudge> quite 15:22:07 <dih> aye 15:22:22 <yorick> I WANT TO MAKE ZIP BUNDLES FROM WINDOWS 15:22:26 <dih> and it's not like 7z cannot extract zip tar tar.gz or tar.bz2 15:22:28 <TrueBrain> @kick yorick capitals 15:22:28 *** yorick was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [capitals] 15:22:29 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 15:22:34 <dih> hihi 15:22:40 <dih> 27 15:22:42 <glx> make bundle_zip 15:22:44 <orudge> yorick: does the makefile not let you do that using the infozip `zip' tool? 15:22:51 <yorick> glx: error: zip: command not found 15:22:55 <orudge> well 15:22:56 <glx> install it 15:22:56 <TrueBrain> mingw has 'zip' tool too (he CLI variant) 15:22:57 <orudge> download zip 15:23:01 <orudge> www.info-zip.org 15:23:05 <yorick> I can't find it for windows 15:23:09 <orudge> look harder 15:23:12 <TrueBrain> orudge: mingw has a zip CLI Too 15:23:13 <dih> that is something else yorick 15:23:14 <glx> gnuwin32.sf.net 15:23:23 <orudge> http://www.info-zip.org/Zip.html#Downloads 15:23:28 <orudge> binaries for everyy OS imaginable ;) 15:23:30 <Eddi|zuHause> dih: they better be good :p 15:23:34 <dih> not finding something does not mean it's a good reason to add something one can find to a project 15:23:44 <dih> Eddi|zuHause: http://vcs.openttd.org/svn/changeset?old_path=trunk%2Fsrc%2Flang%2Fgerman.txt&old=14250&new_path=trunk%2Fsrc%2Flang%2Fgerman.txt&new=14250 15:24:06 <TrueBrain> and it is not like we don't make zip-bundles on a windows machine :) 15:24:29 <TrueBrain> (lol, it would be really bad, if zip CLI wasn't avialable on windows :) Would be fun ;)) 15:24:52 * orudge recalls the days of PKZIP and PKUNZIP in DOS 15:24:57 <Doorslammer> :O 15:25:01 <Eddi|zuHause> "Schliessung von Industrien" <- you're not serious about that, are you? 15:25:02 <TrueBrain> and tbav! 15:25:03 <Doorslammer> Please dont recall those 15:25:12 <orudge> and PKZIPSFX! 15:25:12 <glx> I still have pkzip and pkunzip somewhere 15:25:17 <Doorslammer> :S 15:25:19 <glx> same for arj 15:25:25 <orudge> lzh! arc! 15:25:27 <TrueBrain> lha ;) 15:25:33 <TrueBrain> (morphos needs thatone :p) 15:25:33 <Eddi|zuHause> "SchlieÃen von Industrien" please 15:25:53 <Eddi|zuHause> and "Eröffnen" likewise 15:26:49 <TrueBrain> I have to say, I am suprised 7zip can do better compression than bzip2 15:26:55 <TrueBrain> that in this age they still can improve such tools 15:27:04 <Eddi|zuHause> STR_CONFIG_PATCHES_DEFAULT_SIGNAL_PBS :Fortgeschritten 15:27:06 <Eddi|zuHause> STR_CONFIG_PATCHES_CYCLE_SIGNAL_PBS :nur Erweiterte 15:27:14 <Eddi|zuHause> very inconsistent 15:27:15 <dih> was not me :-P 15:27:21 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: fix it 15:27:21 <dih> hihi 15:27:35 <Ammler> TrueBrain: 7zip rocks 15:27:49 <Ammler> it makes also better zips then other zip tools 15:27:56 <Eddi|zuHause> "Bitte Ihren Name eingeben" <- wtf? 15:27:57 <yorick> ^^ 15:28:05 <TrueBrain> Ammler: lol, is it possible to make better or worse zip files? 15:28:10 <TrueBrain> I thought zip was zip :p 15:28:36 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: but 7zip != zip, i.e. 7zip's files aren't readable by plain zip 15:28:37 <Ammler> grfpack is about 5% smaller with 7zip zip then with zip zip :-) 15:28:52 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: well, dah :) Like bzip2 is not readable by zip :p 15:29:08 <TrueBrain> but I assume Ammler was refering to a zip, and not 7zip 15:29:18 <Eddi|zuHause> "Klicke um nach gröÃe zu sortieren" <- comma before "um" and "GröÃe" 15:29:23 <TrueBrain> (7zip can produce gz, bzip2, and other formats, as far as I know) 15:29:32 <TrueBrain> Ammler: funny :) 15:29:34 <glx> Eddi|zuHause: do it in private 15:29:48 <dih> Ammler: compare 7z with bz2 ;-) 15:29:57 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: better yet: mailto:translator@openttd.org 15:30:10 <TrueBrain> (and ask for an account) 15:30:13 <TrueBrain> (not send your problems there) 15:30:16 <Ammler> 7za a -l -tzip -mx=9 $PACKNAME.zip ottdc_grfpack 15:30:20 <dih> Eddi|zuHause: mailto dih@openttdcoop.org 15:30:34 <TrueBrain> @spam dih@openttdcoop.org 15:30:36 <TrueBrain> mwhahahaha 15:30:45 <yorick> it can do that? 15:30:50 <dih> TrueBrain: you know who filters the spam on that address? 15:30:58 <DorpsGek> Initiated SPAM 15:31:08 <TrueBrain> dih: doh! 15:31:10 <TrueBrain> yorick: clearly 15:31:21 <yorick> I detect @say 15:31:32 <DorpsGek> FAILURE FAILURE FAILURE FAILURE FAILURE FAILURE FAILURE FAILURE 15:31:37 <DorpsGek> yorick! LIE 15:31:50 <TrueBrain> I gave too many people control over DorpsGek :p 15:32:04 <Ammler> we create our packs that way: http://paste.openttd.org/79766 15:32:04 <glx> really ? 15:32:35 <Ammler> the resulting sizes: http://www.openttdcoop.org/newgrfs/ 15:33:55 <TrueBrain> Ammler: you have slightly better results by doing: 15:34:01 <TrueBrain> tar cvf test.tar <files> 15:34:04 <TrueBrain> bzip -9 test.tar 15:34:25 <TrueBrain> (depending on your version of bzip btw, mine has 9 as default :p) 15:34:56 <Ammler> yeah, should be here too 15:34:59 <Belugas> yeah... 4th mug of coffee since this morning 15:34:59 <Belugas> I 15:35:04 <Belugas> M NOT NERVOUIS AT ALL!!!!! 15:35:16 *** Belugas was kicked from #openttd by Belugas [capitals] 15:35:21 <Ammler> but those packs are done by dihs server 15:35:25 <dih> i love tose black shirts 15:35:28 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.226] has joined #openttd 15:35:29 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 15:35:31 <dih> hihi 15:35:34 *** el_En [~lanurmi@dyn-xdsl-83-150-113-243.nebulazone.fi] has joined #openttd 15:35:44 <Ammler> dih: do you know your default bzip2 ? 15:35:50 <dih> ? 15:35:58 <Ammler> compression rate 15:35:58 <dih> no sorry - never met him in person 15:36:11 <dih> nope 15:36:32 <Ammler> also nice is, bzip2 is almost the same as gzip 15:36:40 <dih> tis not 15:36:46 <Ammler> well, not nice, but silly. 15:36:49 <dih> bz2 is way better 15:36:55 <dih> compression wise 15:36:59 <TrueBrain> Ammler: bzip2 is only better in text-files 15:37:02 <TrueBrain> not in binary files 15:37:04 <Ammler> maybe somewhere else, but not with tar. 15:37:11 <dih> ? 15:37:41 <Ammler> TrueBrain: does that matter in tars? 15:37:46 <yorick> s/in/with 15:37:49 <TrueBrain> Ammler: LOL! 15:38:00 <Ammler> ok, it does :P 15:38:01 <TrueBrain> a tar is just a small file-system or how ever you want to compare it to 15:38:02 <dih> hihi 15:38:05 <TrueBrain> there is no compression 15:38:09 <TrueBrain> it just puts files inside a single file 15:38:17 <orudge> a tape archive! 15:38:20 <Ammler> and gzip checks, what is in tar 15:38:23 <TrueBrain> so a tar of text-files is still much better compressed with bzip2 than with gzip 15:38:27 <orudge> we should distribute OpenTTD on tape 15:38:35 <orudge> we could sell them in the new shop! 15:38:44 <dih> yay 15:38:48 <dih> tapes rock :-P 15:38:55 <orudge> we might have to sell tape drives to go with them though... 15:39:04 <dih> nah 15:39:14 *** Pikka [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has quit [] 15:39:14 <dih> nobody wants a tape drive... 15:39:17 <dih> but tapes... :-P 15:39:17 <TrueBrain> tape .. haven't used htat in AGES 15:39:27 * dih has a tape drive for backup 15:39:35 <fjb> Duct tape? 15:39:41 <dih> quack 15:39:44 * yorick also has a tape drive for msx thingies 15:40:05 <TrueBrain> well, I am off, doing some rock-climbing for the next few hours 15:40:06 <dih> only 69 strings in need of translation for ger 15:40:06 <Ammler> http://nightly.openttd.org/source/ almost 20% 15:40:06 <TrueBrain> hav efun all! 15:40:13 <yorick> don't fall! 15:40:20 <dih> enjoy TB 15:40:20 <TrueBrain> I will fall 15:40:21 <TrueBrain> many times 15:40:26 <Ammler> and nothing with newgrfs 15:40:37 <dih> TB is falling is falling is falling 15:40:41 <orudge> enjoy, TrueBrain 15:40:44 <yorick> don't use incompatible newgrfs 15:40:45 <dih> TB falles like a sweet spring rain.... 15:40:47 <TrueBrain> well .. I am going to try 6b walls .. they are HARD 15:40:58 <dih> well they would be 15:41:02 <dih> try matraces 15:41:04 <TrueBrain> my fingers will hurt .. oh well 15:41:11 <TrueBrain> bye :) 15:41:13 <dih> :-) 15:41:24 <Ammler> 7zip is much better in compression with similar binaries, somehow possilbe? 15:41:51 <Ammler> like if I compress 2 versions of same NewGRF 15:41:53 <yorick> yes, it has a better binary compression algorithm, apparently 15:43:33 <dih> psyche :-P 15:45:04 <dih> orudge: those black shirts would look awsome with code all over them :-D 15:45:32 <yorick> dih: I did some discoveries...bruteforcing a server without being ingame with a password >3 chars is not going to work, it has a limit of 256 ticks for the join process, and bruteforcing slows the server down quite a bit 15:45:52 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 15:46:28 *** stillunk1own [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 15:46:35 <yorick> yes, I was testing how much time it would take to bruteforce, and if it would have any noticable effect serverside...it does flood the debug console, and if you try to clear it, it crashes 15:46:41 *** stillunk1own [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [] 15:46:50 <dih> hehe 15:46:54 <dih> that's good to know :-P 15:46:59 <yorick> (no, I won't publish the script) :-p 15:48:04 <SmatZ> it crashes the script or ottd? 15:48:15 <yorick> it crashes openttd if developer is set to 2 15:48:21 <yorick> and you want to do "clear" 15:48:40 <yorick> but I haven't been able to reproduce 15:49:12 <dih> well - then that is a silly statement with 'it crashes' should rather be 'it crashed' :_P 15:49:59 <dih> dos protection would still not be a bad thing! 15:50:18 <yorick> but if you are in the game, you can go on bruteforcing on and on and on and on and on until you have the password 15:50:37 <dih> yep 15:50:42 <dih> sure you can 15:50:46 <yorick> you do slow the server down 15:50:50 <dih> and you can time it so that the players dont notice it 15:51:23 <dih> just like copy and paste does if you dont limit the pasting speed 15:51:44 <yorick> but copy-paste only does it for a few seconds 15:51:52 <dih> still noticeable 15:52:19 <yorick> bruteforcing is far more noticable 15:52:32 <yorick> you can't even move the mouse if you have a gui server 15:52:50 <dih> yorick: TIME it 15:53:12 <yorick> you have experience? 15:53:41 <dih> just need to use your thinker 15:53:56 <dih> if you dont want somebody to notice something that takes a bunch of time 15:54:03 <dih> you slow the process down, do it bit by bit 15:54:11 <yorick> my thinker is currently working on installing boost on a sane build-enviroment 15:55:47 <Ammler> made test with 7zip and source of ottd: http://mz.openttdcoop.org/test/ 15:56:02 <Ammler> 7zip zip is indeed not better for text files 15:56:31 <yorick> then it is a bad idea to use if for text files 15:57:03 <Ammler> well, it is also not worse :P 15:57:24 <Ammler> and 7z self is about 20% smaller then bzip2 15:57:39 <dih> if it's not much better it's no use adding it, is it now 15:57:55 <Ammler> ? 16:00:06 <dih> laters 16:00:56 <Ammler> there was one better compressor then 7zip but ugly slow... 16:01:03 <yorick> lha? 16:01:17 <Ammler> doesn't 7zip use that? 16:01:38 <yorick> hm, yes 16:01:43 <FauxFaux> lzma? 16:01:51 <yorick> yes that 16:01:57 <SmatZ> uc2 16:02:44 <SmatZ> http://www.maximumcompression.com/index.html if you want another fine compressors ;) 16:03:14 <orudge> we should compress everything using lzip 16:03:30 <planetmaker> I can compress anything into one bit. But the key to decode would be quite long then :P 16:03:43 <orudge> aww, lzip has been removed from sourceforge :( 16:03:48 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@62.113.133.253] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:03:56 <SmatZ> what is lzip? 16:04:00 <orudge> http://slashdot.org/articles/01/03/31/0516216.shtml 16:04:22 <yorick> wasn't there some rainbow color format, where they claimed to store 256GB on a sheet of paper? 16:04:54 <SmatZ> ah :-D 16:06:25 <FauxFaux> yorick: I thought it was closer to 400kb in any kind of reliable way? 16:06:29 <fjb> You can compress every file down to the size of one byte. 16:07:54 <FauxFaux> ~30 million dots on a piece of a4 at 600dpi -> <4mb in black'n'white. 16:09:25 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fe6ec.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 16:09:42 *** welshdragon is now known as welshdra-gone 16:16:18 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@62.113.133.253] has joined #openttd 16:16:19 <fjb> Moin frosch123 16:17:52 <frosch123> quak fjb 16:18:15 *** rortom [~rortom@p57B7B8B9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:18:24 <Ammler> SmatZ: I miss the time on that table 16:19:07 <fjb> Time on a table? Isn't that called a clock? 16:20:54 <yorick> no, it is called time on that table 16:21:49 <Ammler> :-P 16:25:11 *** LilDood [~IceChat7@cpc2-bolt5-0-0-cust370.manc.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Quit: On the other hand, you have different fingers.] 16:31:51 <SmatZ> Ammler: what table? 16:31:57 <SmatZ> ahhh 16:32:21 <SmatZ> http://www.maximumcompression.com/data/summary_mf3.php for example, sorted by compression time :) 16:33:14 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:33:46 <Belugas> Ammler, just put your watch on the table ^_^ 16:33:54 <Rexxars> "Failed to find a graphics set." - what? 16:34:11 <yorick> Rexxars: upgrade to newer revision 16:34:19 <Rexxars> I just compiled from svn 16:34:26 <yorick> subversion? 16:34:36 <Rexxars> ..yes? 16:34:41 <yorick> on windows? 16:34:46 <Rexxars> correct 16:34:54 <yorick> try unix2dossing your obg files 16:35:01 <yorick> in the bin/data directory 16:35:07 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has joined #openttd 16:39:57 *** Celestar [~Jadzia_Da@mnch-5d875084.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 16:40:00 <Celestar> hm 16:40:10 <Celestar> can a failed autosave be a desync reason? 16:42:33 <Rexxars> yorick: still getting problems :/ 16:44:15 <frosch123> Celestar: btw. do you still suspect autoreplace in cargodest to be a desyncer? 16:44:27 <Celestar> frosch123: suspect yes. 16:44:40 <Celestar> frosch123: I have a route-leak somewhere 16:44:58 <Celestar> it might be autorenew-related 16:45:01 <frosch123> Note that the massreplace in the depot is the only autoreplace thingie that can cause desyncs. 16:45:07 <yorick> "Windows can't remove file, directory not found" 16:45:51 <yorick> "Do you want to look for the file to delete?" 16:46:03 <frosch123> so maybe in your next big test game, only allow a few players to use that function. If only they desync you could identity autoreplace to be the problem 16:46:30 <yorick> but what if that causes everyone to desync? 16:48:23 <frosch123> well, either use a dedicated server, or do not allow the server-client to use it 16:49:46 <Celestar> frosch123: I don't think it's autoreplace or cargodest; much rather the interface between them both 16:50:31 <frosch123> anyway, for normal autoreplace everything is executed in parallel on all clients. So it can crash or whatever, but not desync 16:50:50 <frosch123> only a player clicking the massreplace button in depot can cause desyncs 16:52:40 *** welshdra-gone is now known as welshdragin 16:52:44 *** welshdragin is now known as welshdragon 16:56:28 *** davis- [~asd@p5B28BB64.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:56:59 *** Volley [~worf@84-119-53-183.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:02:41 *** KillaloT [~killalot@0x5738ccdb.rdnqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 17:03:14 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-229-11.prem.tmns.net.au] has quit [] 17:05:24 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: [FATAL] Client error: Memory leak - More RAM needed. More! More! More!] 17:13:19 *** Tim [~Tim@p5B37EE10.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:20:39 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host202-229-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 17:21:19 <Wolf01> hello 17:21:35 *** Tim [~Tim@p5B37EE10.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com] 17:23:07 <Elukka> hi 17:24:43 <Wolf01> I'm sad again :( 17:24:46 <Wolf01> I found another bug 17:24:50 <Wolf01> when opening the console 17:25:05 <Wolf01> the main toolbar stay always on top 17:28:35 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: Poef!] 17:29:57 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@g226149121.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 17:30:29 <glx> and? 17:31:00 <glx> it's not a bug, main toolbar and status bar are always on top 17:32:40 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C85E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:35:37 *** nckomodo [~nckomodo@scottb.carrollwater-wifi0.amplex.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:37:02 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g227080063.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:37:02 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 17:38:43 *** nckomodo [~nckomodo@scottb.carrollwater-wifi0.amplex.net] has joined #openttd 17:40:58 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@78-21-228-27.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:41:08 *** jimmy [~jimmy@bas5-kitchener06-1096638572.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 17:41:51 <Celestar> frosch123: I know everything is executed in parallel. but if i did wrong calls during the autoreplace ... 17:42:47 <Celestar> it will "autorepair" after a reset of the routing system, or a reconnect or whatever. 17:43:16 <frosch123> heh, but for depot massreplace it is _not_ executed in parallel :) 17:44:22 <Wolf01> glx I can't see what's written under if they are always on top! 17:45:52 <frosch123> Wolf01: You can scroll with shift-up/down 17:48:50 <Wolf01> ok, but it's not nice... console should be always on top like everywhere 17:52:11 <Celestar> ... some people on the forums are really ungrateful gits 17:52:56 <Belugas> welcome to "reality" 17:52:58 <Belugas> hehe 17:54:21 <Elukka> hmm 17:54:27 <Elukka> has anyony ever done scenarios for ECS? 17:54:38 <Celestar> TrueBrain: need a compile :P 17:55:04 *** LilDood [~IceChat7@cpc2-bolt5-0-0-cust370.manc.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 17:55:21 <Belugas> Elukka, more than once 17:55:51 <Celestar> damn 17:55:55 <Celestar> I have misplaced my TV 17:56:34 <glx> Celestar: mine is behind me 17:57:49 *** Elukka [~elukka.el@bb-89-166-41-222.dsl.phnet.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:57:54 *** Yexo_ [~Yexo@dhcp-077-248-065-055.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 17:58:10 * Belugas thinks Celestar's tv must be quite small to be misplaced 17:58:11 *** Yexo is now known as Guest5467 17:58:11 *** Yexo_ is now known as Yexo 17:58:33 *** Elukka [~elukka.el@bb-89-166-41-222.dsl.phnet.fi] has joined #openttd 17:58:50 <Elukka> sorry, had to reboot, vista thought it an apt time to go cuckoo 17:59:52 <Celestar> Belugas: USB adaptor (DVB-T). about as large as an USB stick 18:04:09 * Celestar is happy that KDE's device selector opens data DVDs in the "media player" and video DVDs in the file browser :P 18:04:52 <glx> hmm but video DVDs are data DVDs 18:05:26 <Celestar> note to self: DVD playback + make -j3 don't together well 18:05:39 <glx> single core? 18:05:43 *** Guest5467 [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:05:49 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:05:56 <Celestar> glx: yeah. 18:06:03 *** rortom [~rortom@p57B7B8B9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:06:05 <Celestar> glx: my new notebook is still somewhere in shipping 18:06:54 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has joined #openttd 18:08:25 *** Yexo_ [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 18:09:36 *** Yexo is now known as Guest5472 18:09:36 *** Yexo_ is now known as Yexo 18:10:36 <Celestar> peter1138: I think I found it 18:10:52 <Celestar> at least one of them 18:13:12 *** Guest5472 [~Yexo@dhcp-077-248-065-055.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:13:16 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:15:17 *** Elukka [~elukka.el@bb-89-166-41-222.dsl.phnet.fi] has quit [] 18:19:01 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:19:19 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has joined #openttd 18:35:54 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 18:35:58 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has joined #openttd 18:36:16 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:40:37 *** nckomodo [~nckomodo@scottb.carrollwater-wifi0.amplex.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:43:27 *** davis- [~asd@p5B28BB64.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 18:44:34 *** nckomodo [~nckomodo@scottb.carrollwater-wifi0.amplex.net] has joined #openttd 18:52:36 <peter1138> Gah, the widest keyboard standard I can find is too narrow by 4cm. 18:53:55 <fjb> Too narrow for what? 18:54:03 <peter1138> *stand 18:54:26 <Rexxars> what kind of monsterous keyboard do you have? 18:54:31 <fjb> Oh. Cut your keyboard. 18:55:55 <Wolf01> I have a weird narrow keyboard 18:56:04 <Wolf01> it's like the laptop one 18:56:43 <Wolf01> the keys are in a strange position, like the del between the right ctrl and the alt keys 18:56:59 <Wolf01> I hate it 18:57:04 <Wolf01> do you want it? 18:57:14 <Wolf01> only 40cm wide 18:58:01 <Wolf01> and it have the numpad too! 18:58:20 <peter1138> Blah, everyone assumes computer keyboard :o 18:58:33 <Belugas> lol 18:58:51 <Celestar> A normal keyboard is 148cm, is it not? 18:58:51 <Wolf01> I have a piano keyboard too 18:58:56 <Celestar> 88 keys 18:58:58 <Belugas> no one noticed the "stand" iguess :) 18:59:30 <peter1138> Celestar, it is about that. Its rubber feet are 115cm apart. 18:59:36 <Ammler> @seen xaha* 18:59:36 <DorpsGek> Ammler: I haven't seen anyone matching xaha*. 18:59:42 <Celestar> peter1138: I know that problem 18:59:47 <Wolf01> I thought the stand was a support like the ones you can use to attach the keyboard to the desktop -.-''' 18:59:49 <Mucht> @seen xaho* 18:59:49 <DorpsGek> Mucht: xaho* could be xahodo (2 weeks, 2 days, 3 hours, 26 minutes, and 33 seconds ago) or xahodo|afk (15 weeks, 6 days, 9 hours, 16 minutes, and 44 seconds ago) 18:59:58 <Celestar> peter1138: well not at home because I don't have keyboards. Only real (Grand) pianos 19:00:06 <peter1138> Plural? :o 19:00:13 <Celestar> peter1138: two 19:00:24 <peter1138> :o 19:00:33 <peter1138> Do you live in a mansion? 19:00:39 <Celestar> one Yamaha, 172cm and a real one :P 19:00:54 <Celestar> peter1138: normal ... how do you call it .... semi-detached(?) house? 19:01:05 <peter1138> I could probably fit one upright piano in, but not a grand. 19:05:34 <peter1138> Maybe I could build something out of wood... 19:05:46 <peter1138> Although knowning my skills it'll wobble. 19:05:50 <peter1138> *knowing 19:06:49 <peter1138> http://www.flatrock.org.nz/wolf/images/truly_grand_piano.jpg 19:06:51 <Celestar> peter1138: apparently, I found it (= 19:06:52 <peter1138> ^ How... ugly. 19:07:45 <Celestar> peter1138: the desync I mean :P 19:08:01 <peter1138> Oh... didn't you say that before? :p 19:08:12 <Celestar> we've tested it somewhat meanwhile :P 19:09:04 <fjb> Schimmel Pianos are build about 50km from here. 19:10:03 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C85E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:10:14 <Celestar> wb Progman 19:12:54 <fjb> They usually look way better. 19:13:10 <Celestar> nothing like a nice Steinway (= 19:19:41 <peter1138> Rubidium, what does 'Toggle Palette' do if no NewGRF is selected? 19:19:57 <Belugas> mmh... I beg to differ: a Gibson LesPaul 19:20:16 <Belugas> Now we're talking! 19:20:46 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:23:21 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has joined #openttd 19:38:11 *** De_Ghosty [~s@76-10-139-86.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:38:20 *** De_Ghosty [~s@206-248-181-10.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #openttd 19:40:00 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:40:04 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has joined #openttd 19:46:03 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-363c71d5.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 19:49:07 *** welshdragon is now known as welshdra-gone 19:52:02 *** KillaloT [~killalot@0x5738ccdb.rdnqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:52:11 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:53:43 *** Leif_ [Zuu@c-3e3c71d5.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 19:54:07 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has joined #openttd 19:57:09 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@user-54470bf2.wfd82a.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:59:45 *** Zuu is now known as Guest5489 19:59:45 *** Leif_ is now known as Zuu 20:00:14 *** Guest5489 [~Zuu@c-363c71d5.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:03:08 <Zuu> With my self-compiled builds (using MS VS Express 2005) I get a white line under each bullet (checked menu item) in the configuration menu. This happen on r14250 on clean trunk even if I put my compiled .exe in the same directory as last nightly. Last nightly downloaded pre-compiled however don't suffer from this. 20:03:34 <Wolf01> 'night 20:03:45 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host202-229-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 20:04:09 * Zuu thinks of the pallette changes in trunk, but my own builds fails even if they are placed in the same directory as pre-compiled binaries of last nightly. | earlier I did not have this problem. 20:10:43 <fjb> Yahoo is soooooo stupid. 20:16:59 <peter1138> Is it? 20:19:52 <fjb> Yes. They don't accept a valid email address and their captchas are unreadable. 20:31:17 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-2-131-220.manc.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 20:34:14 <Ammler> fjb: you still looking for a free mail account :-) 20:34:51 <fjb> No, I need access to a mailing list hosted there. 20:35:12 <peter1138> Bah, where's my solder? 20:36:37 <fjb> At the last place you are looking for it. 20:36:50 <Belugas> at the store ^_^ 20:36:57 * Belugas goes home 20:38:57 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:39:06 <peter1138> Hah, no, it was in my toolbox... 20:39:21 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has joined #openttd 20:39:27 <fjb> And why is my S/370 not booting? 20:46:26 <Celestar> peter1138: we're stable now \o/ (at least without newgrfs) 20:49:15 <Rubidium> Celestar: not running with many many RVs on many routers apparantly :) 20:49:30 <Rubidium> and nobody's playing with waypoints 20:50:01 <Celestar> Rubidium: elaborate (= 20:50:34 <Rubidium> the elusive waypoint desync I hear many people talking about 20:51:26 <Rubidium> and well... the vehicle hash can cause desyncs with RVs 20:51:32 <Celestar> We don't need waypoints 20:51:48 <Rubidium> maybe even with vehicles other than RVs 20:51:53 <Celestar> and I dunno, we only have 32 RVs at the moment. We used to have 200 in other games 20:51:57 <Celestar> 250 trains currently 20:52:14 <Rubidium> though I haven't found an elegant and effective fix for it 20:52:30 * Celestar checks the profile 20:52:56 <Celestar> :o 20:53:01 <Celestar> the blitter has lost #1 position 20:53:20 <Celestar> and slipped to second 20:53:33 <Rubidium> now it's Sleep? 20:53:42 <Celestar> TrainLocoHandler 20:54:57 <Celestar> debug 1 btw :P 20:55:09 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fe6ec.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:55:24 <Celestar> woha 20:55:33 <Celestar> the profile is 2MB alone 20:55:41 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 20:55:46 *** De_Ghosty [~s@206-248-181-10.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:56:48 <Celestar> http://www.fvfischer.de/profile.txt 20:57:29 *** De_Ghosty [~s@76-10-132-133.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #openttd 20:58:39 <Celestar> ok I think I can move on in cargodest 20:58:45 <Celestar> finish up the GUI somehow 21:04:42 *** welshdra-gone is now known as welshdragon 21:07:30 <ecke> do anyone have r13683 win32 version? 21:07:52 <Rubidium> why would you want that version? 21:08:46 <ecke> because i need create save for wwottdgd/2 version 21:09:20 <Rubidium> wouldn't it be better to use said patched version? 21:11:50 * Celestar rofls 21:12:30 <Celestar> who know Star Wars in "SchwÀbisch"? :P 21:12:44 <Rubidium> apparantly you do 21:14:17 <Celestar> sorry it's something for the germans among us :P 21:14:38 <ecke> Rubidium ... patched version? 21:14:45 <ecke> patched version of what 21:15:06 <Zuu> ecke: patched for wwottdgd/2 perhaps 21:15:07 <Rubidium> the openttd wwottdgd/2 wasn't a stock OpenTTD binary 21:15:21 <Rubidium> someone modified some trunk revision 21:15:38 <ecke> problem of this version is that when i started dedicated server.. i cant create company 21:15:51 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 21:16:14 <Zuu> ecke: I think that was intended as there was quite some work with the user/company management done to the server. 21:16:34 <Zuu> To help the admins/moderators to admin the wwottdgd2 server. 21:17:14 <Celestar> GNAH why does my family suck that much :S 21:20:33 * Celestar looks for an approprieate English expressen 21:20:38 <Celestar> expression* 21:21:22 <Celestar> "to tick s.o. off" .. 21:22:32 <ecke> Zuu i know 21:22:38 <ecke> but its "stable" 21:23:40 <ecke> i would like this version... but with possibility of creating companies 21:24:09 <Celestar> good night everyone 21:24:09 <Zuu> It had a weierd failure during wwottdgd2, so I don't know if I could call it stable... 21:25:55 <Ammler> ecke: did you try my proposal? 21:26:27 <ecke> Ammler proposal? 21:27:13 <ecke> yes 21:27:39 <ecke> i write dih, p...., and there ... loading is not functional 21:29:40 *** Celestar [~Jadzia_Da@mnch-5d875084.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:29:43 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C85E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:30:21 <Ammler> not sure, it might also be there is patch setting for enabling company creation.. 21:31:20 <peter1138> Woot, my creation works :D 21:31:28 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: [FATAL] Client error: Memory leak - More RAM needed. More! More! More!] 21:33:23 <peter1138> Rubidium, oh, so I was right with my guess? 21:33:30 <peter1138> Or is that just a possibility. 21:33:36 <peter1138> (Vehicle position hash in road vehicle code) 21:37:33 <ecke> Ammler ... so now... i am finding another version with IS ... 21:41:19 <SmatZ> peter1138: yes, different order of vehicles in the hash table 21:41:47 <SmatZ> problem is that enforcing the same order (by v->index) slows the game by ~7% on a test game 21:42:13 <SmatZ> so best vehicle has to be chosen somehow 21:42:49 <SmatZ> there already two patches for that... 21:42:51 <peter1138> Enforcing order where? 21:43:35 <SmatZ> peter1138: in the hash table 21:43:58 <SmatZ> eg. the v->next_new_hash chain is ordered by v->index 21:44:55 <peter1138> What about, where the result is used, find the 'best' index if there is more than one vehicle? 21:45:16 <peter1138> Depends how rare it is. 21:46:43 <peter1138> 4 phono sockets for £1.29 + 1 1/4" stereo jack for £1.49 = new headphone splitter :D 21:47:17 *** nckomodo [~nckomodo@scottb.carrollwater-wifi0.amplex.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:53:51 <peter1138> Belugas, is newgrf_industries.cpp:268 right? 21:56:07 *** fjb [~frank@p5485DAA1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 21:58:35 *** nckomodo [~nckomodo@scottb.carrollwater-wifi0.amplex.net] has joined #openttd 22:02:52 *** fjb [~frank@p5485DAA1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:04:49 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:05:27 *** Tim [~Tim@p5B37DE43.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:06:39 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has joined #openttd 22:16:20 <TrueBrain> boe! 22:16:24 <TrueBrain> (was that scary?) 22:16:34 <Prof_Frink> Face of Boe? 22:17:01 <SmatZ> TrueBrain: yes 22:17:27 <TrueBrain> SmatZ: just me being here, or what I said? 22:18:46 <SmatZ> TrueBrain: what you said 22:18:56 <TrueBrain> k 22:18:59 <TrueBrain> just checking ;) 22:18:59 <SmatZ> :-) 22:19:05 <Brianetta> Anybody know if the scenario editor can tell you the TGP seed? 22:19:13 <Brianetta> My map is corrupted, and won't save 22:19:16 <TrueBrain> Brianetta: getseed? 22:19:17 <Brianetta> but I love this land layout 22:19:20 <peter1138> Won't save? :o 22:19:34 <Brianetta> peter1138: I loaded suburban renewal, I think that buggered it 22:19:50 <Brianetta> Game Load Failed 22:19:50 <Brianetta> File not writeable 22:20:09 <peter1138> That shouldn't prevent saving. 22:20:51 <Brianetta> Well, somethingbroke 22:20:54 <peter1138> Not the obvious readonly, diskspace, or quota problems? 22:21:27 <Brianetta> hardly 22:21:55 <Brianetta> Nearly half a terrabyte remaining 22:23:06 <Brianetta> Arse 22:23:08 <Brianetta> Same issue 22:23:13 <Brianetta> empty scenario 22:23:39 <peter1138> As far as I know, that error can only happen if an fwrite() fails. 22:23:44 <Brianetta> yeah 22:23:51 <Brianetta> brian@jarred ~> touch test 22:23:51 <dih> hello Brianetta 22:23:51 <Brianetta> touch: cannot touch `test': Permission denied 22:23:51 <Brianetta> brian@jarred ~> ls -ld . 22:23:51 <Brianetta> drwxr-xr-x 153 brian users 20480 2008-09-05 23:20 ./ 22:23:51 <Brianetta> brian@jarred ~> pwd 22:23:52 <Brianetta> ~ 22:23:55 <Brianetta> That's weird 22:25:30 <dih> Zuu: the "problem" was with the network code 22:25:37 <dih> the udp part to be precise 22:25:46 <Zuu> dih: Ok 22:26:39 *** LilDood [~IceChat7@cpc2-bolt5-0-0-cust370.manc.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Quit: If you can't laugh at yourself, make fun of other people.] 22:26:47 <Brianetta> brian@jarred ~> touch test 22:26:47 <Brianetta> brian@jarred ~> rm test 22:26:47 <Brianetta> *NOW* it starts working 22:26:48 <Zuu> Just to make sure, I did not meant to offend anyone for their effort with wwottdgd2 by saying it's not stable. Just wanted to point out the issue we had with it. 22:26:50 <Brianetta> Nothing in the logs 22:28:18 <dih> Zuu: i dont think there was any offence in what you said ;-) 22:28:29 <dih> wwottdgd is not meant to be stable over more than 36 hours :-D 22:28:38 <Zuu> :-D 22:28:55 <TrueBrain> and even in that timeframe it is known to bark from time to time :p 22:29:01 <dih> and for what we do with the source, we can very well live with a misshap :-P 22:29:23 <dih> TrueBrain, the 'bark' was in the network code 22:29:34 <dih> which got disabled quickly 22:29:43 <dih> (twas only the udp stuff anyway ;-P) 22:31:17 *** GoneWacko [~GoneWacko@dhcp-077-249-197-241.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:32:03 <Zuu> Is it acceptable to have a function that is called twice every event-loop per window instance? (this I would use in the sign list search patch to let the window dynamically change wheither it want to steal key-focus or not) 22:32:06 *** GoneWacko [~GoneWacko@dhcp-077-249-197-241.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 22:32:32 <Zuu> A variant using a public member variable of Window class is also possible through not as estecial perhaps. 22:33:31 *** fjb [~frank@p5485DAA1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 22:33:45 *** fjb [~frank@p5485DAA1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:34:18 *** mikl [~mikl@0304ds2-ba.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 22:34:35 *** fjb [~frank@p5485DAA1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 22:35:42 <Zuu> Given that there is not very many windows instances 2*n extra calls every input loop to a virtual function is not that much? 22:36:08 <peter1138> Why two? 22:36:30 <Zuu> window.cpp: 1657 and 1672 22:36:53 *** fjb [~frank@p5485DAA1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:37:19 <Zuu> I would replace those if-statements with a call to a member of window that then can be overloaded by windows that want to enable stealing of key-focus. 22:37:43 <peter1138> Hmm, well... 22:37:46 <Zuu> well, not the if-statements but the stuff between the brackets. 22:37:59 <peter1138> You'd need two loops instead of lots of ifs, so it might *actually* be less work to do. 22:38:10 <peter1138> Quite why I bolded that I don't know. 22:38:28 <peter1138> Zuu, seems reasonable to me. 22:39:19 <glx> Zuu: about the checkmark, it happens only with MSVC (2005 and 2008 have this problem) but I don't know why yet 22:39:36 <Zuu> glx: Ok 22:39:47 <peter1138> Checkmark? 22:39:58 <Zuu> glx: I can test other revisions if needed. if you havn't got down to which revision that does it. 22:40:17 <Zuu> peter1138: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=39436 22:40:26 <glx> it's since r14214 22:41:06 <peter1138> Hmm, how strange. 22:41:15 <glx> looks like MSVC still use the original sprite while gcc uses the new one 22:41:23 <peter1138> That should be impossible. 22:41:40 *** fjb [~frank@p5485DAA1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 22:41:46 <TrueBrain> should be maybe, but it is MSVC you are talking about :) 22:42:41 <TrueBrain> http://binaries.openttd.org/custom/cargodest/h62ac8281/ <- for who cares 22:42:42 <Zuu> peter1138: There will then need to be more code in the windows that need to steal key-focus but the gain is that windows can dynamically steal focus only when there is a text-widget visible. (or usefull if someone wants to do propper widget focus) 22:43:19 *** fjb [~frank@p5485DAA1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:44:35 *** davis- [~asd@p5B28BB64.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.2 :: www.regroup-esports.com )] 22:46:22 *** Tim [~Tim@p5B37DE43.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:47:28 *** Tim [~Tim@p5B37DE43.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:47:59 *** Volley [~worf@84-119-53-183.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #openttd 22:55:05 *** fjb [~frank@p5485DAA1.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [Realworld is calling.] 22:55:09 *** fjb [~frank@p5485DAA1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:57:10 *** fjb [~frank@p5485DAA1.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [Realworld is calling.] 22:57:20 *** fjb [~frank@p5485DAA1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:05:06 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:05:24 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has joined #openttd 23:21:16 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g226149121.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: (~_~]"] 23:25:46 *** Frostregen_ [~sucks@dslb-084-058-171-199.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 23:25:47 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-171-199.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:25:56 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 23:27:40 <TrueBrain> I wonder in all those configures (I am doing a 'emerge -uavND world') .. how many systems would fail on those include-file checks? 23:28:21 <TrueBrain> checking for read... yes <- is it possible to hav ea system without read? 23:28:23 <TrueBrain> well, I guess .. 23:35:04 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C85E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:39:51 <Brianetta> Hot new scenario, straight from the oven, on Brianetta's Standard! 23:39:56 <Brianetta> http://ppcis.org/standard/ 23:42:10 *** reldred|gone is now known as reldred 23:45:08 *** rortom [~rortom@p57B7EE6F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:51:19 *** Tim [~Tim@p5B37DE43.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:53:08 <orudge> TrueBrain: well, I seem to recall some old compilers (possibly Borland or Watcom) that didn't have "read". But they wouldn't likely be using an autoconf-based makefile. ;) 23:54:03 <TrueBrain> orudge: I rest my case ;) 23:54:12 <TrueBrain> what annoys me the most about such things 23:54:20 <TrueBrain> is that I have applications where the autoconf takes longer than the real compile 23:55:19 <orudge> I agree 23:55:45 * orudge is currently upgrading CPAN modules on another server, there are quite a lot to upgrade, and the tests are taking ages 23:55:51 <orudge> I guess I could run it without tests, but hmm 23:55:59 <TrueBrain> I always run them without tests .. 23:56:05 <ben_goodger> the word "pah!" comes to mind 23:56:09 <TrueBrain> a) the tests randomly fail without real reason (and I don't care) 23:56:14 <TrueBrain> b) it takes for ever for no real gain 23:56:14 <orudge> indeed 23:56:43 <ben_goodger> I think perl needs as much testing as it can get 23:57:01 * TrueBrain hugs the makedepend of OpenTTD .. so much better than a few .. other compiles I see passing my screen .. 23:57:11 <TrueBrain> I think perl needs the trashcan 23:57:19 <TrueBrain> (sorry, no fan of Perl, not a bit) 23:57:32 <ben_goodger> I suspect that the same perl code may behave differently on different CPUs of the same model, despite the logical impossibility of this 23:58:03 <TrueBrain> I suspect that some Perl code lives 23:58:08 <TrueBrain> it always scares me to dead 23:58:18 <TrueBrain> the last time I wrote a perl script is .... 5 years ago? 23:58:35 <ben_goodger> don't ask me... 23:58:52 <TrueBrain> I was asking myself 23:58:53 <TrueBrain> but I failed 23:58:59 <ben_goodger> quite 23:59:02 <TrueBrain> It returned: INVALID QUERY 23:59:03 <orudge> well, you have the likes of patchman who can do all sorts of scary witchcraft with perl 23:59:20 <TrueBrain> orudge: that is my main problem with Perl .. you can do a complete application on a single line 23:59:26 <TrueBrain> which NOBODY understands after you wrote it 23:59:30 <TrueBrain> (not even the person who wrote it, in general) 23:59:44 <orudge> indeed so 23:59:49 <orudge> although, you can do similar with C ;) 23:59:59 <orudge> although not quite to the same degree, admittedly