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00:00:06 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-111-36.fttx.bbned.nl] has joined #openttd 00:02:24 * SmatZ notes: better not ask stupid question or you may look like you don't know anything :-P 00:03:37 <TrueBrain> SmatZ: I am so happy you didn't know me since the start .. boy oh boy, the questions I asked .. :p 00:03:50 <SmatZ> :-) 00:04:51 <SmatZ> it's fine to ask questions, when you don't know something :) 00:04:52 <SmatZ> but it's bad to ask even when you know that :-D 00:04:55 <SmatZ> but you look quite experienced nowadays ;-) 00:05:01 <SmatZ> TrueBrain, the network-man 00:05:05 <SmatZ> and ssh-man and everything :) 00:05:06 <SmatZ> -man 00:05:25 <ln> TrueBrain: what are you trying to achieve by compiling on Darwin? 00:05:59 <TrueBrain> bah, why is there no documentation about Darwin and how to get it to compile sane things :p 00:06:45 <TrueBrain> SmatZ: well, if that is all you remember me for.. :( :p 00:06:49 <TrueBrain> (hehehe :)) 00:07:31 <SmatZ> of course, there is the humanity-part of you :) 00:07:35 <TrueBrain> :p 00:07:40 <SmatZ> like dancing, girls, climbing :) 00:07:49 <SmatZ> maybe 'girls' coming first ;) 00:07:50 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-111-36.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [Quit: Caught sigterm, terminating...] 00:07:51 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:08:01 <TrueBrain> hehe 00:08:03 <TrueBrain> fair enough 00:08:10 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has joined #openttd 00:09:20 *** Pikka [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has joined #openttd 00:17:54 <SmatZ> hmm there are 98 people there 00:18:00 <SmatZ> 4% of them should be gay 00:18:08 * FauxFaux licks SmatZ. 00:18:14 <TrueBrain> please all raise your hands if you are gay 00:18:19 <SmatZ> :-) 00:18:21 <TrueBrain> SmatZ: and how many of them should be female? 00:18:24 * SmatZ feels amused :) 00:18:30 <SmatZ> TrueBrain: ~49 00:18:36 <TrueBrain> I give up on darwin, I let Rubidium figure thatone out :p 00:18:40 <TrueBrain> SmatZ: stats fail there 00:18:43 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 00:18:54 <TrueBrain> welcome [alt]buster 00:19:36 <TrueBrain> http://88.198.60.17/images/hr-images-best/hr_milan_van_bruggen_02.jpg <- cool :) 00:19:37 <SmatZ> I think gays play OTTD the same way as other boys do... 00:19:41 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:19:42 <SmatZ> girls don't though :-/ 00:19:43 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 00:19:43 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 00:19:43 <FauxFaux> I thought it was more than 4%, especially out side of christianland^Wthe us. 00:19:49 <TrueBrain> http://88.198.60.17/images/hr-images-best/HR1-RayPham.gif 00:20:01 <SmatZ> mm true :) 00:20:57 <SmatZ> maybe there are 4% of gays and 20% of men who don't care... 00:21:20 * SmatZ stops this discussion because he is afraid of being kicked :) 00:21:37 <SmatZ> I would have kicked myself already 00:21:43 <TrueBrain> SmatZ: you will only be kicked by gay people 00:21:47 <glx> no risks Bjarni is not here ;) 00:21:49 <TrueBrain> or the 20% who don't care 00:21:51 <SmatZ> :-D 00:21:53 <TrueBrain> ah, our 4% :p 00:22:01 <FauxFaux> No, the kicking would be for claiming that, as there're mostly programmers here, it's probably more likely to be 80% 15-30 year old virgins. :p 00:22:07 <FauxFaux> (o/) 00:22:10 <SmatZ> even worse :) 00:22:18 <TrueBrain> so 80% in here is a virgin 00:22:24 <TrueBrain> all raise hands if you are 00:22:34 <TrueBrain> (well, that per definition only gives a max of 10%, as the rest is never alive) 00:22:38 * FauxFaux -> bed, nn. 00:22:41 <TrueBrain> night FauxFaux 00:22:43 <SmatZ> nnFF 00:22:51 <FauxFaux> (Cunningly avoiding the question) 00:22:52 <TrueBrain> I wonder why this channel as around 100 people for ages now 00:22:57 <eekee> define virgin 00:23:06 <TrueBrain> eekee: so you are, thank you for that answer 00:23:11 <FauxFaux> It happens in lots of channels. 00:23:12 <SmatZ> :^) 00:23:13 <eekee> haha 00:23:23 <TrueBrain> (really, if you need to ask .. you are one) 00:23:36 <TrueBrain> it is like: do you drive a car? Which one? 00:23:55 <TrueBrain> I think I should get some sleep or something .. hmm .. 00:23:56 <SmatZ> eekee: never had penis in a vagina/anus of another human/animal (except mother during birth) 00:24:13 <TrueBrain> SmatZ: LOL!!! That .. kind of covers most of it :p 00:24:25 <TrueBrain> just I would have put mouth there too 00:24:25 <eekee> I duno. Certain things that aren't technically sex can be pretty damn amazing. :ß 00:24:25 <glx> "animal" <-- weird 00:24:27 <FauxFaux> Lies, other oraphices count too. *runs* 00:24:38 <TrueBrain> FauxFaux: GO TO BED 00:24:42 <eekee> see, there is disagreement :D 00:24:53 <TrueBrain> ear 00:24:54 <FauxFaux> But I don't have to be at work for literally 6 and a half hours! 00:24:54 <TrueBrain> nose 00:24:59 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:24:59 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 00:25:04 <TrueBrain> FauxFaux: so just stay up 00:25:07 <FauxFaux> Heads, shoulders, knees and toes, knees and toes. 00:25:12 <TrueBrain> I tried that once ... was kind of dangerous 00:25:21 <TrueBrain> FauxFaux: there are no holes in shoulders 00:25:26 <eekee> I imagine 00:25:28 <TrueBrain> well, not without a gun anyway 00:25:38 <SmatZ> :-D @ TrueBrain & glx :) 00:25:40 <FauxFaux> <6h a night for a couple of weeks is roughly the same effect. 00:25:52 <TrueBrain> FauxFaux: I am doing that for 3 months now 00:25:58 <TrueBrain> I just notice I have a hard time concentrating 00:26:01 <el_En> simpler definition: "had the thing inside something that's alive" 00:26:03 <TrueBrain> but .. who notice that? 00:26:24 <SmatZ> [02:25:12] <TrueBrain> I tried that once ... was kind of dangerous <= are you talking about that "animal" part? 00:26:31 <TrueBrain> el_En: 'the thing'? The hand that is walking without body? 00:26:37 <eekee> *snort* XD;;; 00:26:39 <TrueBrain> SmatZ: no, about the not sleeping and going to work 00:26:44 <SmatZ> ahh ok :) 00:26:51 <TrueBrain> trying to drive a car after being up for 48 hours is .. 00:26:53 <TrueBrain> well 00:26:54 <TrueBrain> dangerous 00:27:03 <TrueBrain> you tend to miss ... a few km of road now and then .. 00:27:15 <TrueBrain> (one moment that truck is 4 km away ... next moment you are right behind it) 00:27:20 <eekee> aye... 00:27:20 <TrueBrain> not advisable :) 00:27:22 <SmatZ> :) 00:27:48 <TrueBrain> well, at least I then know I am a good driver ... my eyes were open while sleeping, and I woke up as I needed to change lanes :p 00:28:01 <TrueBrain> (that requires head movement, that I couldn't do while sleeping, I tihnk .. :p) 00:28:04 <eekee> haha 00:28:39 <TrueBrain> nah, I can make a joke of that, but it was not one of my proudest moments .. and I truly hope you guys never have such .. problem :) 00:28:59 <SmatZ> well I had and I survived :-) 00:29:09 <TrueBrain> haha, obviously :) 00:29:31 <SmatZ> I was going behind those red lights of the car before me 00:29:41 <eekee> I have regular trouble sleeping. I don't have to drive regularly though 00:30:04 <SmatZ> later I discovered I am at absolutely different place I wanted to be 00:30:05 <eekee> oh losing yourself in the tail-lights of the car in front is normal, I think 00:30:19 <SmatZ> I was just going behind him, no metter where he drove 00:30:25 <SmatZ> :) 00:30:38 <eekee> one of my friends says one day he's going to accidentally kill himself by following a suicidal driver off a cliff 00:30:49 <TrueBrain> SmatZ: who wrote that ... if you have no clue where to go in a foreign city, follow the person in front of you 00:30:54 <TrueBrain> mostly works for me 00:31:05 <SmatZ> hehe 00:31:15 <TrueBrain> (if I have no clue where to go, I truly follow to car in front of me .. mostly it turns out okay) 00:31:17 <SmatZ> :-D @ eekee :) 00:31:24 <TrueBrain> sometimes I am in some sub-urb .. but okay :p 00:31:26 <eekee> I did that in Brighton once. Found several shortcuts then found myself in a dead end 00:31:30 <TrueBrain> eekee: hehe, nice motto ;) 00:31:34 <eekee> hehe 00:31:35 <el_En> sounds like everyone on this channel should have their driving licenses suspended. 00:31:40 <SmatZ> :-) 00:31:46 <TrueBrain> lol @ el_En 00:31:55 <SpComb> Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd 00:31:55 <SmatZ> !logs 00:31:56 <TrueBrain> I once drove in a new part of a town, following the car in front of me 00:31:58 <TrueBrain> the car stop 00:32:01 <TrueBrain> person steps out 00:32:04 <TrueBrain> I like: IIEEEKK 00:32:06 <TrueBrain> open window 00:32:14 <TrueBrain> he: "do you know wher eI can find blabla?" 00:32:22 <TrueBrain> I: "haha, I was hoping you knew!" 00:32:33 <TrueBrain> the tactic kind of fails if the person in front of you is lost too :p 00:32:34 <SmatZ> anyway, nn... I want to be up when the large hadron collider colapses :) 00:32:43 <TrueBrain> SmatZ: well, I hope to speak to you tomorrow 00:32:51 <TrueBrain> and that we didn't all disapeared in some black hole 00:32:51 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77C44.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 00:32:55 <eekee> The idea of following fandom cars crops up in Douglass Adams The Long Dark Teatime of the Soul, where one of the leading characters finds that he rarely ends up where he wants to be but often where he needs to be 00:32:55 <TrueBrain> if we do, I suggest to look to your left 00:33:00 <eekee> *random 00:33:01 <TrueBrain> I read the view is marvelous! 00:33:09 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B76318.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:33:17 <TrueBrain> eekee: Douglas, yes, he wrote that :) Tnx! 00:33:22 <eekee> yw ^^ 00:33:25 <eekee> I love that book 00:33:26 <TrueBrain> I knew it had to be him or HG Wells 00:33:31 <TrueBrain> but the latter most likely never had a car 00:33:33 <el_En> Dirk Gently 00:33:34 <TrueBrain> so .. well .. stupid of me :p 00:33:35 <eekee> ah -- yeah 00:33:39 <eekee> oh, no 00:34:12 <TrueBrain> I tihnk I should read THHGTG again soon .. 00:34:45 <TrueBrain> "I appoligies for the inconvenience" 00:34:59 <eekee> :D 00:35:11 <TrueBrain> "I feel so depressed" 00:35:34 <eekee> Squornshellous Zeta 00:35:39 <TrueBrain> it really sucks Adams died ... 00:36:07 <eekee> yeah. I think it might have been preventable too 00:37:57 <TrueBrain> CTRL+TAB doesn't do what I expect it to do in Firefox 3.1 :( 00:39:28 <eekee> There's an inherited condition where the connective tissue is very weak. People affected tend to be very tall, and to have their sternum angle outwards, so their chest has a point at the base of the sternum. Most of the body is ok with this condition, but the aorta slowly stretches until it bursts around the age of 40-45, unless reinforced 00:40:30 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 00:40:30 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:40:32 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 00:53:03 <TrueBrain> oh well, bed time 00:53:04 <TrueBrain> ngiht all 00:55:33 <eekee> night 00:56:55 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@user-54470bf2.wfd82a.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:00:53 *** Sacro_ [~Ben@adsl-213-249-239-2.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 01:07:21 *** KritiK [~Maxim@89-178-113-70.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:07:54 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-77-86-2-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:08:11 <eekee> is there an option to allow crossing tunnels? 01:11:15 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:14:50 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has joined #openttd 01:21:03 *** el_En [~lanurmi@dyn-xdsl-83-150-113-243.nebulazone.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:21:03 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:21:27 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:21:32 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 01:22:54 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has joined #openttd 01:22:54 <glx> eekee: yes it's a cheat 01:23:01 <eekee> ah ok 01:48:41 *** Pikkaa [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has joined #openttd 01:51:51 *** Pikka [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:01:01 *** Sacro__ [~Ben@adsl-83-100-154-48.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 02:03:37 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F3E8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:07:53 *** Sacro_ [~Ben@adsl-213-249-239-2.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:11:37 <Belugas> Pikkaa, if i'm not too blind, id' say that during callback 17, use parent scope, access town var 80 and it will be the same as the industry counterpart 02:11:58 <Belugas> if that can make sens... 02:18:24 *** Sacro_ [~Ben@adsl-83-100-150-19.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 02:19:06 <Phantasm> Belugas: How is the fixing going on? 02:20:02 <Belugas> working on it 02:20:06 <Belugas> fucking boring stuff 02:20:24 <Phantasm> Heh. 02:23:40 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 02:23:40 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:23:42 *** De_Ghosty [~s@206-248-191-154.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #openttd 02:23:42 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 02:24:16 *** roboboy [3aad2910@67.207.141.120] has joined #openttd 02:24:50 *** roboboy [3aad2910@67.207.141.120] has left #openttd [] 02:24:53 *** roboboy [3aad2910@67.207.141.120] has joined #openttd 02:24:58 *** roboboy [3aad2910@67.207.141.120] has left #openttd [] 02:25:05 *** Sacro__ [~Ben@adsl-83-100-154-48.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:25:16 *** roboboy [3aad2910@67.207.141.120] has joined #openttd 02:55:47 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has quit [Quit: Quit] 02:57:02 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-125-037.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: und weg] 03:02:14 *** elmex_ [~elmex@e180066061.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 03:05:27 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 03:05:27 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:05:29 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 03:07:13 *** elmex [~elmex@e180066169.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:07:17 *** elmex_ is now known as elmex 03:07:19 <Pikkaa> erm, yeah belugas. but that still doesn't help with houses. :) 03:08:37 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 03:31:41 *** Sacro__ [~Ben@adsl-213-249-239-85.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 03:38:35 *** Sacro_ [~Ben@adsl-83-100-150-19.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:54:31 *** Sacro__ [~Ben@adsl-213-249-239-85.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:56:12 *** Pikkaa [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:07:28 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 04:07:29 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:07:31 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 04:25:01 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm184.epsilon121.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 04:57:26 *** Dr_Jekyll [Dr_Jekyll@p57B0CD0A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: http://www.lagerwiki.de - das Wiki rund um's Thema Lager und Logistik] 05:09:03 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:09:18 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 05:21:07 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 05:23:46 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [] 05:35:19 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:44:41 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 06:07:18 *** Zr40 [~zr40@120-12-ftth.onsnetstudenten.nl] has joined #openttd 06:08:52 *** Ridayah [~ridayah@12-208-15-67.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:08:58 *** DJNekkid [~chatzilla@70.81-167-169.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0.1/2008070208]] 06:12:10 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:12:35 *** roboboy [3aad2910@67.207.141.120] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 06:17:30 *** roboboy [3aad2910@67.207.141.120] has joined #openttd 06:25:27 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:25:36 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has joined #openttd 06:28:43 *** Sir-Bob [~chatzilla@c114-76-62-29.eburwd4.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 06:33:25 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 06:40:49 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 06:47:28 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-3-70-101.manc.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 07:00:38 *** Celestar [~Jadzia_Da@p5B0DA8D6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 07:00:39 *** mode/#openttd [+o Celestar] by ChanServ 07:02:04 <Celestar> good morning 07:02:11 <Noldo> morning 07:02:47 <Celestar> life sucks. 07:02:54 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:03:28 <Forked> eek? 07:05:06 <Celestar> I currently am in a state where I hate my work 07:05:31 <Celestar> I've been working 60-70 hours a week since start of August without basically having a single day off, including weekends 07:05:59 <Noldo> what do you do? 07:06:10 <Celestar> Noldo: Doing my PhD 07:06:24 <Celestar> (read: underpaid and overworked slave) 07:06:41 <Forked> crazy germans.. stuff like that is just not allowed in Norway 07:06:50 <Celestar> Forked: neither is it allowed here 07:07:04 <Forked> "but there is no one else" ? 07:07:31 <Celestar> but no one cares 07:07:50 <Rubidium> Celestar: be happy you're not working at Stanford 07:07:59 <Celestar> Rubidium: should I? 07:08:03 <Rubidium> there it's standard to work 14 hours a day, 7 days a week 07:08:24 <Celestar> my Prof just was there for a month and said they work not much more than we do :-) 07:08:37 <Celestar> Rubidium: working 14/7 is just plain inefficient. 07:08:57 <Rubidium> true 07:09:33 <Celestar> there's a reason why PhD stands for Permanent Head Damage 07:09:44 <Forked> heheh 07:10:07 <Forked> Celestar: if no one cares, stop working more than 8/5 .. and see if they start caring :p 07:10:38 <Celestar> I'm considering taking 4 weeks of vacation from the end of this month 07:10:51 <Celestar> I still vacation left from 2007 :S 07:13:10 * Celestar has 37 days of "shore leave" remaining for 2008 :P 07:18:36 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-111-36.fttx.bbned.nl] has joined #openttd 07:21:15 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-3-70-101.manc.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:26:52 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 07:27:42 <Forked> well use it fast.. the world is ending :) 07:28:32 <Celestar> yeah. 07:28:33 <Celestar> right. 07:28:35 <Celestar> ;P 07:28:39 *** Yeggzzz is now known as Yeggs-work 07:28:46 <Forked> you know.. WE'RE ALL DOOMED!!11one 07:28:49 <eekee> my nephew worked on coils for the LHC. I'd forgotten about it 07:29:24 <Celestar> he's a murderer then </sarcasm> 07:29:49 <Celestar> why are people always shitting their pants when it comes to science 07:30:50 <eekee> because they believe what they hear from paranoid idiots 07:30:54 * SpComb is failing to view the webcast 07:32:55 * Celestar is failing to concentrate on work 07:33:33 <SpComb> hmm 07:33:42 <eekee> honestly it's not like science is without failings, but some people take those failings and blow them up to massive issues regardless of whether anything better exists, and then other people hear the unbalanced issue and start thinking they may have a point. 07:33:55 * peter1138 is failing to get dressed to go to work. 07:34:15 <Celestar> peter1138: wanna help with cargodest (= 07:34:22 <Celestar> instead of getting dressed I mean 07:34:25 * eekee is failing to stay away from his mad plan to take over the world 07:35:11 <Celestar> why do you want to take over the world? 07:35:25 <eekee> coz the current operating systems are all crap :D 07:35:25 <Celestar> it just sucks. Find yourself a planet that is actually worth taking over.... 07:35:48 <eekee> oh now you're talking, but taking over the world would make leaving it so much easier 07:36:03 <Celestar> That much is certain 07:36:22 <Celestar> We could actually spend money onto sensible things instead of finding new ways to kill one another 07:37:02 *** Skiddles [~notme@cm184.epsilon121.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 07:37:35 <nckomodo> so uh 07:37:38 <nckomodo> are we dead yet 07:38:11 <Forked> nah, they are only sending the beam one way at the time 07:38:28 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: mikl] 07:38:29 <nckomodo> yeah I know, it'll be awhile before they smash it together 07:38:50 <Forked> http://hasthelargehadroncolliderdestroyedtheworldyet.com/ (reading the webpages source is also reccomended) 07:39:08 <nckomodo> hahahahha 07:41:01 <nckomodo> what will be absolutely hilarious is if they find nothing new 07:41:02 <nckomodo> at all 07:41:05 <SpComb> http://twitter.com/cern <-- well, they do have a twitter feed 07:41:24 <nckomodo> no higgs boson, nothing they havent seen before 07:42:05 <SpComb> they'll make something up 07:42:42 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 07:43:30 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm184.epsilon121.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:43:57 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 07:44:46 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5EDE5.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 07:47:13 <Celestar> hah 07:47:27 * Celestar wonders how inexpensive the LHC actually is 07:47:46 <planetmaker> :P 07:48:00 <planetmaker> Good morning to the last day on Earth :P 07:48:50 <Celestar> planetmaker: well. it's around 2.5 billion $, and about 10 000 scientists work on it. That's 250.000$ per scientist. This is not much more than the average PhD doing experiments has in his lab at our department. 07:49:45 <planetmaker> well... yeah. Though it's nevertheless rather the high end budget alloted to PhDs :) 07:50:15 <Celestar> heh 07:51:20 <Celestar> well, if the world would end today it had a good thing. I could stop making this presentation right now .P 07:51:52 <planetmaker> lol 07:52:00 <planetmaker> Indeed quite true here, too :) 07:54:03 <Celestar> GO CERN GO! 07:54:07 <Celestar> BOOM BOOM BOOM please 07:54:25 <Celestar> or make a time-space disruption which moves the date back to Aug 1st, :P 07:55:35 <Celestar> DAMN. 07:55:38 <Celestar> still there 07:55:51 <Forked> hello :) 07:55:56 <blathijs> Was this actually the second time they're turning it on, or the first? 07:55:58 * Rubidium wonders why today is so hyped? 07:56:02 <Celestar> Rubidium: I dunno 07:56:08 <Celestar> I'm trying not o work 07:56:44 <Rubidium> they're not even running high energy experiments yes 07:57:12 <Rubidium> s/yes/yet/ (stupid split keyboards) 07:58:07 *** Aylomen [~a@DSL01.83.171.145.201.ip-pool.NEFkom.net] has joined #openttd 07:59:30 <Forked> I don't understand it therefor we are all doomed!!11 DOOOMEEED 08:00:34 <Noldo> Rubidium: the first beam day apparently 08:01:35 <Noldo> http://twitter.com/cern 08:01:50 <Noldo> didn't even run a complete lap yet 08:01:54 *** |Bastiaan| [~Bastiaan@77.60.199.138] has joined #openttd 08:03:04 <Celestar> it exited the collider before completing a lap? We're doomed 08:03:09 <Celestar> doomed 08:03:11 <Celestar> doomed 08:03:35 <Celestar> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=39518 <= that's a nice one :o 08:04:33 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-3-70-101.manc.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 08:05:41 <peter1138> Needs a bit of work. 08:07:34 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 08:07:49 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:07:50 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 08:09:06 *** el_En [~lanurmi@dyn-xdsl-83-150-113-243.nebulazone.fi] has joined #openttd 08:09:17 <peter1138> Hmm, Phun could do with a grid, and snap to grid. 08:09:30 <peter1138> And possibly a measurement tool, and a way to input precise sizes... 08:09:51 <peter1138> Hmm, maybe that would be too CADish... 08:09:55 <Celestar> phun? 08:11:17 <peter1138> http://www.phunland.com/ 08:13:26 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:13:54 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has joined #openttd 08:14:42 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-14-143.prem.tmns.net.au] has joined #openttd 08:16:02 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:23:19 <TrueBrain> morning lovely people 08:23:36 <Forked> no greet for me eh? =\ 08:23:46 <TrueBrain> morning ass 08:23:50 <Forked> heya =) 08:25:10 <TrueBrain> so how are you doing? :) 08:26:33 <Forked> sleepy.. sort of late dinner last night. I was suppose to have the pancakes ready when the gf came home f..wait, do you actually care? :p 08:26:55 <TrueBrain> kind of. It does suprise me you have a gf ;) 08:26:57 <TrueBrain> (mwhahaha :p) 08:27:15 <Forked> me too 08:27:19 <Forked> actually :p 08:28:24 <Celestar> ROFL 08:28:31 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 08:28:44 <Forked> but then again she is one of a kind =p she use fluxbox as a window manager 08:29:55 <Celestar> O_o 08:30:02 <Celestar> mine still uses ... KDE 08:30:06 <Celestar> er wait .. so do I 08:30:20 <Celestar> but I'm using 4.1 (= 08:30:21 * Forked is a CLI kind of guy 08:30:33 <Forked> but linux is still a server OS for me 08:30:38 <Celestar> Forked: yeah I need KDE to fire up 20 terminals and a browser :P 08:30:51 <Celestar> oh and an openttd window sometimes :P 08:30:59 <Forked> "sometimes" 08:31:28 <Celestar> Forked: well, I do a lot of cargodest devving/debugging with -vnull (= 08:33:11 <Celestar> unless I do something with the GUI 08:33:38 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:33:38 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 08:33:39 * Celestar notices that peter1138 still didn't say if he will help a bit with cargodest (= 08:33:49 <Forked> he ran 08:35:05 <TrueBrain> [com]buster: I am sure you are a nice guy, but for the past 12 hours you have more join/leaves then any of us talked ... 08:35:28 <TrueBrain> please get your connection stable, or please leave this channel (and come back when you have something to talk about :)) 08:35:43 <TrueBrain> (same goes for Jerimiah40 btw, but he is currently reconnecting :p) 08:36:48 <Celestar> haha 08:38:20 <Forked> I love my DSL 08:45:33 <Celestar> I hate my job 08:51:10 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 08:51:10 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:51:12 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 08:54:19 *** mortal [~mortal@217.61.144.15] has joined #openttd 08:57:07 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:57:20 <TrueBrain> hmm .. my HD just crashed and didn't want to reboot until after a big boink on his head 08:57:57 *** roboboy [3aad2910@67.207.141.120] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 08:58:23 <Rubidium> sounds like my HDD that didn't want to spin up quickly enough so it timed out at booting 08:58:46 <Rubidium> you had to quickly turn the computer on and off so it was still spinning a bit so it didn't time out 09:00:32 <TrueBrain> this is just an ordinary head-crash 09:00:42 <TrueBrain> if it repeats itself, I need to make a clone of this disk soon :) 09:03:09 <TrueBrain> oh, btw, WE ARE STILL ALIVE! 09:03:30 <Celestar> yeah. sucks. that. 09:03:56 * TrueBrain gives Celestar a hug 09:04:25 * Celestar smiles weakly 09:04:36 <Celestar> OY. RPG in #openttd 09:04:44 <Celestar> [me smiles hugely] 09:04:56 * murray stretches and pats his backup system 09:07:10 <Forked> reminds me.. my raid5 has 3 of 4 drives and has been like that for two weeks 09:07:17 <Forked> maybe I should stuff in the replacement disk I got yesterday 09:09:51 *** el_En [~lanurmi@dyn-xdsl-83-150-113-243.nebulazone.fi] has quit [Quit: LHC] 09:12:02 *** Volley [~worf@84-119-43-162.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #openttd 09:13:47 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 09:13:47 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:13:49 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 09:16:33 <peter1138> TrueBrain incites the Portal song... 09:16:59 <TrueBrain> peter1138: hehe 09:17:52 <Forked> this was a triumph 09:20:56 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 09:21:48 <TrueBrain> @kban [com]buster Please come back when your connection is stable 09:21:48 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: Error: [com] is not in #openttd. 09:21:52 <TrueBrain> LOL! 09:21:56 <TrueBrain> @kban "[com]buster" Please come back when your connection is stable 09:21:57 *** mode/#openttd [+b *!~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] by DorpsGek 09:21:57 *** [com]buster was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [Please come back when your connection is stable] 09:22:17 <TrueBrain> sorry, but that can be so freaking annoying ... :( 09:23:29 <TrueBrain> hmm .. I heard that sound again, of a HD head crashing .. 09:23:32 <TrueBrain> can't be good :p 09:23:48 <murray> ^^ 09:23:56 <TrueBrain> disk is no longer allowing access ... 09:24:08 <TrueBrain> so .. new HD, and hoping 'dd' is going to do his job ;) 09:24:28 <TrueBrain> (and that it doesn't crash while doing the 'dd', else it is going to be a long long day :p) 09:24:37 <murray> hehe 09:24:38 <murray> hurry ^^ 09:24:50 <TrueBrain> hurry is not what will help me 09:25:29 <murray> so like 09:25:39 <murray> is there a feature to let hdd's rest sometimes when they're not much used? 09:25:50 <murray> i've heard one of mine reboot while the pc is running and everything 09:25:58 <murray> quite a lot of times now recently 09:26:06 <TrueBrain> a HD can go into suspend, yes 09:26:19 <TrueBrain> but it should never ever do when it is being used 09:26:29 <TrueBrain> (like .. the HD which is for your main OS :p) 09:26:32 <murray> aah 09:26:33 <murray> yeah 09:26:41 <murray> well, yeah it wasn't in use at the time 09:27:29 <murray> oh btw TrueBrain, thanks for your svn hooks-tips, it works great :) 09:27:41 <TrueBrain> default redbook stuff 09:28:48 <TrueBrain> okay, I should now really be shutting down and analyzing my HD problem .. be back in a few hours :p 09:29:45 *** mortal [~mortal@217.61.144.15] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:31:43 *** sulai [~sulai@p5B2B7080.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:31:49 <sulai> hi guys 09:32:04 <sulai> I'm helping translating for the german language 09:32:41 <sulai> now, {RAW_STRING} should always be {STRING} in any other file than english.txt, right? 09:33:29 <sulai> What about STR_JUST_RAW_STRING, which is {RAW_STRING} in english... should this be {STRING}, too? 09:36:30 <guru3_> does everyone remember that php landscape thing i wrote? then how i rewrote it in python? i've ported it into c++ now 09:36:34 <guru3_> performance keeps going up 09:36:35 *** guru3_ is now known as guru3 09:37:01 <guru3> now i need to get it to compile on os x 09:50:11 <Eddi|zuHause> sulai: yes. ALL occurances of RAW_STRING are to be replaced by STRING 09:53:23 <Eddi|zuHause> also: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/FahrstraÃe 09:54:08 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5EDE5.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 10:03:41 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5EDE5.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 10:03:57 <sulai> so, "FahrstraÃensignal" fits best! 10:04:31 <sulai> Eddi|zuHause: ~80 new strings have been commited to trunk yesterday 10:06:06 <Celestar> er what? 10:07:13 <Celestar> EVERY signal is a FahrstraÃensignal. 10:07:18 <Celestar> except those used for shunting :P 10:07:48 <sulai> Celestar we thought about using "FahrstraÃensignal" as translation for the PBS signals 10:07:50 <Ammler> Fahrstrasse sounds silly 10:08:15 <Celestar> Ammler: it's the correct technical term, however. 10:08:25 <Celestar> sulai: that would be reasonable. 10:08:44 <Ammler> yeah, still :-) 10:09:01 <Ammler> Celestar: btw, your optimizing for the dest patch rocks 10:09:15 <Ammler> Rob can now join the dev server again and play 10:10:11 <peter1138> Street signal? 10:10:42 <peter1138> Heh... 10:10:50 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 10:10:50 <peter1138> fahrstraÃensignal = fahrstraÃensignal 10:10:59 <peter1138> FahrstraÃensignal = Road signal 10:11:10 <peter1138> Silly Google translator, or silly German... 10:11:21 <Celestar> Road signal is not a FahrstraÃensignal 10:11:25 <Celestar> what's a road signal anyway? 10:11:30 <Celestar> Ammler: thanks (= 10:11:30 <sulai> road signal is a "ampel" 10:11:31 <peter1138> Who knows. 10:11:38 <peter1138> That's what Google says :) 10:11:39 <Celestar> sulai: no, that's a traffic light. 10:11:45 <sulai> hm... right 10:12:42 <sulai> http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y174/swisskiss/Apr2005Blog/BangaloreRoadSignal.jpg 10:15:54 <Eddi|zuHause> i really hope for that traffic light that they drive on left side :p 10:22:30 * peter1138 ponders making a GPL graphics replacement set... 10:23:07 <Celestar> don't we have that with OpenGFX? 10:23:34 <peter1138> No. 10:23:53 <peter1138> They're arguing about license now. 10:24:08 <peter1138> You'd think that would've been sorted before any drawing... 10:24:09 <Forked> Would it not have been better to clear that before you started? :) 10:24:13 <Noldo> peter1138: and you are feeling abit like you told them so 10:24:26 <peter1138> Yeah, but I don't think I did, heh... 10:24:44 <Noldo> peter1138: I think you did, at least someone did 10:25:45 <peter1138> Oh, I did. 10:25:57 <peter1138> Well, back in February :) 10:26:48 <peter1138> Well, in that case... 10:26:54 <peter1138> I did tell them so... ;) 10:27:57 * peter1138 ponders posting that quote in the new thread. 10:28:37 <Noldo> propably not a good idea 10:28:48 <peter1138> Don't worry, I pointed out that you reminded me. 10:29:00 <Noldo> oh great 10:29:16 <Eddi|zuHause> :P 10:29:40 <peter1138> Oh, alright then :o 10:30:20 <Noldo> peter1138: btw check what zephyris said then about the license of graphics he had drawn 10:32:55 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 10:38:44 <peter1138> Hmm? 10:41:52 <Noldo> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=38122&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=1120 10:42:05 <Noldo> right after your post 10:42:44 <Noldo> "Very true, I have, from the start, stated that my graphics can be used under GPL, CC or similar licences." 10:42:46 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80AB4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:46:23 *** grumbel [~grumbel@i577B8F41.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 10:47:48 <planetmaker> Interesting. And now it seems to be not good enough anymore :) 10:49:22 <Celestar> I think GPL is not the right thing to use 10:49:25 <Celestar> how about LGPL ? 10:50:26 <Noldo> CC share alike - attribution 3.0 would be dsfg free and better for graphics than gpl 10:50:52 <FauxFaux> CC SA-A is dsfg free? You sure? 10:50:53 <Ammler> planetmaker: in the mood to update newgrf gui 10:50:55 <Ammler> ? 10:51:08 <Noldo> FauxFaux: 3.0 is, just checked it earlier 10:51:14 <FauxFaux> Ah. :) 10:51:15 <planetmaker> hm... right now is quite bad wrt time... 10:51:30 <Ammler> :-) 10:51:56 <Ammler> I checked it self, but it is definitly to complicated for me :-) 10:52:03 <Ammler> +o 10:52:13 <planetmaker> I think we should bug peter1138 that the new newgrf win is a very nice idea & patch :P 10:52:23 * planetmaker hides 10:52:27 <Ammler> hmm, did you read his commnet? 10:52:34 <planetmaker> err... no? 10:52:41 <Ammler> last post in the thread 10:52:45 <planetmaker> or too long ago :) 10:54:22 <Ammler> sorting of the list for path view is wrong... 10:54:39 <planetmaker> ah, that one. Yes, I read it :) 10:56:19 <planetmaker> he, but looks like the cards are dealt back well at the patch maintainer(s) :) 11:01:34 *** sulai [~sulai@p5B2B7080.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:05:52 *** sulai [~sulai@p5B2B7080.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:09:46 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@user-54470bf2.wfd82a.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 11:09:52 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:10:29 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 11:11:58 *** Celestar [~Jadzia_Da@p5B0DA8D6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:17:26 *** davis- [~asd@p5B28BC07.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 11:19:57 *** reldred|gone is now known as reldred|work 11:22:21 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: [FATAL] Client error: Memory leak - More RAM needed. More! More! More!] 11:26:25 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1E62B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:28:15 <peter1138> Hmm 11:28:35 <Ammler> devs should maybe telll the OpenGFX'er that they should accept GPL, if they want distributed it with OpenTTD, else it will be complicated, not? 11:30:01 <Noldo> GPL isn't good for graphics because of source distribution requirement 11:30:48 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't see a huge problem there... 11:33:34 <Ammler> Noldo: isn't that the point, they should also publish the graphic sources, so they can be reused later... 11:35:12 <Noldo> have they? 11:35:21 <peter1138> In my opinion, to be distributed with OpenTTD, it must be GPL. 11:35:39 <peter1138> But that is not the opinion of all devs. 11:36:04 <peter1138> To be distributed alongside OpenTTD, it can be any free license, heh... 11:36:34 <peter1138> Silly ebay, giving me a list of tractors for sale... 11:37:53 <Ammler> Noldo: if they want to be part of OpenTTD, they have to, imo. 11:38:33 *** reldred|work is now known as reldred|gone 11:39:11 <Noldo> well, CC-NC-whatever a major step forward from the current situation even if it won't be distributed with OpenTTD 11:39:26 <Ammler> current is GPL 11:39:43 <ln> Noldo: major useless step forward 11:39:48 <Noldo> I ment the graphics 11:40:03 <Noldo> ln: better that nothing 11:40:43 <Noldo> Ammler: what kind of "have to" is that? 11:40:47 <Ammler> if they don't make it GPL, they should remove the "Open" from the name ;-) 11:41:18 <Ammler> and replace it with FreeGFX... 11:41:32 <ln> Ammler: GPL is not open, it's free. 11:41:48 <Eddi|zuHause> GPL has nothing to do with free 11:41:51 <Eddi|zuHause> Gà 11:42:02 <ln> it does 11:42:10 <Noldo> Eddi|zuHause: what kind of free is that 11:42:11 <Eddi|zuHause> GPL allows you to charge money 11:42:16 <dih> does sourceforge not offer a compile farm? 11:42:20 <dih> yes - they are slow 11:42:23 <Eddi|zuHause> i.e. it's not free (as in beer) 11:42:38 <Ammler> ln: please define "open" and "free" 11:42:41 <dih> but do they not have a mac server there to compile mac builds on? 11:42:48 <Eddi|zuHause> but it's open (as in free speech) 11:43:07 <Noldo> Eddi|zuHause: interesting way of seeing the distinction 11:43:42 <Noldo> I have thought Open Source means you can read the source and study it not neccessarily anything else 11:43:58 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 11:43:58 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 11:44:13 <Eddi|zuHause> well, everybody you ask will have a different opinion of what "open" and "free" means 11:44:18 <ln> Ammler: as defined by FSF. (which is not necessarily what I agree with, but relevant with GPL) 11:44:34 <Noldo> Eddi|zuHause: that is so true 11:44:40 <peter1138> dih, "One example of a compile farm was the service provided by SourceForge until 2006." 11:44:50 <peter1138> Of course, I'm assuming wikipedia is correct ;) 11:44:50 <dih> oh 11:45:07 <dih> they dont do that anymore? 11:45:09 <dih> that sucks 11:45:22 <Noldo> but personaly CC-NC what ever is basically just freeware and not free software 11:45:55 <dih> if opengfx should be part of openttd, it should go under gpl 11:45:59 <Ammler> ln: well, that doesn't help me understanding "your view", so I just disagree with you :-) 11:46:02 <dih> as the entire openttd project is under gpl 11:46:11 * peter1138 ponders a 22cm fan to cool his PC. 11:46:35 <dih> peter1138: just attach a vacuum cleaner to the cpu's heat sink :-D 11:46:41 <Eddi|zuHause> Noldo: yes, free as in beer, and not when you come with a tanker truck to get it. 11:46:50 <peter1138> Mmm, beer. 11:46:54 <Noldo> Eddi|zuHause: exactly 11:48:05 <peter1138> Hmm, 1500W ATX PSU... 11:48:12 <peter1138> Seems excessive. 11:48:16 <Noldo> peter1138: btw what is the situation with including parts of boost? 11:48:38 <Eddi|zuHause> anyway, the GPL does not forbid to put an extra package containing non-GPL data on the same "medium" 11:48:42 <ln> Ammler: free is free as in speech. 11:49:26 <Ammler> well, you read Eddi|zuHause... 11:49:48 *** sulai [~sulai@p5B2B7080.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 11:50:34 <Noldo> Eddi|zuHause: that is why I don't share peter's and dih's GPL-only view 11:50:59 <Eddi|zuHause> GPL with pictures is hard to enforce, i think. because you cannot prove that the creator of the picture did not work directly on the (png, pcx, whatever) file 11:51:27 <peter1138> You can with GRF ;p 11:51:46 <Noldo> peter1138: mmm, how exactly? 11:52:30 <Ammler> Noldo: most important imo is, that you can reuse the sprites without asking the author for permission. 11:52:38 <Eddi|zuHause> peter1138: the GRF chain exactly ends at the pcx that gets spit out by grfcodec 11:52:48 <dih> why do people want _their_ support to a project treated a special way? 11:52:49 <Noldo> Eddi|zuHause: couldn't agree more, also the the source requirement is bit redundant because if you can view the media file you can do most of the edits you need 11:53:05 <dih> it's not about what _they_ do, it's about the project they want to support 11:53:09 *** Celestar [~Jadzia_Da@129.187.69.65] has joined #openttd 11:53:12 *** mode/#openttd [+o Celestar] by ChanServ 11:53:16 <Noldo> dih: that is something I agree with 11:53:59 <dih> then give OpenGFX to OpenTTD and let OpenTTD decide how to andle it as THEIRS* 11:54:02 <peter1138> Eddi|zuHause, but nobody worked directly on that file, as you've only just created it. 11:54:11 <dih> *Theirs = the Projects, namely OpenTTD 11:54:54 <Celestar> life sucks. 11:55:16 <peter1138> What's up? 11:55:26 <Noldo> dih: that still doesn't mean GPL-only is the only way to go 11:55:48 <Eddi|zuHause> peter1138: but if you count grfcodec like a compression program (zip, rar, ...), then the pcx file someone potentially modified and the grf file are equivalent concerning their "source"-dness 11:56:26 <dih> Noldo: no - but it saves all the authors their breath, and shut up about what THEY want with THEIR work 11:56:26 <Celestar> peter1138: conferences, presentations, final reports .. the full blast 11:56:44 <Celestar> heh 11:57:10 <Celestar> gotta LOVE Deutsche Bahn. 2 people, Munich-Colonge and back (specific trains). 2nd Class: 427 EUR, 1st Class: 290 EUR 11:57:22 * Celestar scratches head 11:57:22 <dih> LOL 11:57:29 <Rubidium> take first class 11:57:34 <Celestar> I might :P 11:57:35 <planetmaker> lol. 11:57:40 <Noldo> why is that? 11:57:53 <Celestar> Noldo: apparently, 2nd Class is basically booked out, 1st class almost empty 11:57:59 <Celestar> (as usual) 11:58:02 <Eddi|zuHause> the only way you can potentially handle a graphics-"source" is if you directly define what kind of image editing tool has to be used (similar to chosing a programming language and a code style) 11:59:43 <peter1138> Hmm, 1024 circles in a confined space... I need a faster PC :( 11:59:57 <dih> all you self centered gfx authors suck! 12:00:44 <dih> if you just gave your work to the project, you would not have to worry about the license 12:01:06 <Celestar> heh (= 12:01:14 <dih> if you just dropped your own say in what you once strived to give to a project 12:01:30 <dih> in what was supposed to be OpenGFX 12:02:02 <dih> in what was aimed at making the project called OpenTTD free from the need of copyrighted graphic files 12:02:50 <hylje> the existence of 'self' in general is detrimentar to communities in general 12:03:06 <hylje> small amount of it, such as credits, might be useful 12:03:29 <Rubidium> adding credits isn't he hardest thing to do 12:03:37 <dih> yes - granted, add a line for each author in the readme or something 12:03:43 <hylje> AUTHORS 12:04:10 <planetmaker> It wouldn't even hurt to say which grf author worked on which 12:04:13 <dih> but all this "i dont want x to happen with MY work" 12:04:14 <Rubidium> even add a credits or authors section to *.obg and show that in the "about window" 12:04:14 <dih> c'mon 12:04:15 <dih> BS 12:04:18 <dih> big time 12:04:47 <hylje> pretentiousness is something that decent artists seem to build 12:04:54 <hylje> good artists get away with it 12:05:26 <planetmaker> Would it be a problem to have the grfs in a CC share alike license which allows free distribution and modification given that the original artists name is credited? I fail to see anything which objects this... 12:05:28 <hylje> but even then it's damaging for any community efforts 12:06:14 <Ammler> planetmaker: you mean every sprite? 12:06:29 <planetmaker> well... if necessary. 12:06:32 <Ammler> there will be only 5 grfs left :-) 12:06:42 <Ammler> and most is in 1 12:06:48 <planetmaker> eh? 12:07:25 <Noldo> giving credit on sprite by sprite basis might help someone feel better, but licence is the real issue 12:07:45 <planetmaker> Noldo: sure. 12:08:03 <planetmaker> It has to be a license which allows free distribution and alteration w/o notice of the original artist. 12:08:31 <Brianetta> Creative Commons Share-Alike (possibly with attribution) 12:08:44 <planetmaker> Brianetta: :) yeah 12:08:47 <Brianetta> without no-derivs or non-commercial 12:09:06 <Noldo> I would like that (version 3.0 that is ) 12:09:28 <dih> i dont get those idiots 12:09:30 <dih> i pitty them 12:09:50 <dih> and if they do manage to push this through somehow i will refuse to use OpenGFX 12:09:54 <dih> uh - Ammler 12:09:56 <dih> just the man 12:10:14 <dih> we can remove OpenGFX from the grfpack with the crap they are doing :-D 12:10:22 <dih> or infact we might even HAVE to :-D 12:10:37 <hylje> what are they doing 12:10:38 <Rubidium> ofcourse you can 12:10:40 <Ammler> declined, we do not care that much about those licence things... 12:10:57 <eekee> why on earth might you have to? 12:11:00 <Ammler> as nobody does understand it anyway... 12:11:11 <Noldo> Ammler: :) 12:11:12 <hylje> nobody should care either 12:11:20 <dih> i do 12:11:27 <dih> because it's a pile of crap 12:11:35 <hylje> because as of now the authors are getting a lot more than they possibly deserve 12:11:37 <Ammler> I try to respect the authors wishes... 12:11:39 <dih> any grf author, can do what they like i dont give shit 12:11:39 <Rubidium> does anyone actually know what the license is of the current opengfx *new*grfs 12:11:55 <dih> Rubidium: afaik that has never been discussed 12:11:56 <Noldo> Rubidium: no 12:12:21 <dih> but as OpenGFX was supposed to have such a high aim 12:12:27 <dih> basically 'freeing' OpenTTD 12:12:36 <Rubidium> so you are distributing something with unknown license? 12:12:37 <dih> i do care a bunch what they try to do 12:12:51 <dih> Rubidium: openttdcoop is distributing a bunch of stuff 12:13:01 <Noldo> Rubidium: yes 12:13:08 <dih> sadly, way too much where those in charge dont care 12:13:28 <planetmaker> [14:12] <Rubidium> so you are distributing something with unknown license? <--- sort of :S 12:13:49 <dih> i have a plan 12:13:52 <dih> and i will do that :-) 12:13:59 <Noldo> dih: please share 12:14:04 <planetmaker> Though in the OpenGFX thread was stated, as also peter cited there, that it's made under GPL, CC or something like that. 12:14:09 <dih> in due time 12:14:28 <Noldo> planetmaker: that was just Zephyris about his own work 12:14:34 <planetmaker> true. 12:14:38 <Noldo> and he might have changed his mind 12:14:47 <planetmaker> well. Can he revoke? 12:14:56 <planetmaker> Once released under CC or GPL? 12:15:08 <Noldo> CC is too vague so yes 12:15:12 <eekee> I don't think the author can revoke rights after somehting is distributed 12:15:16 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has joined #openttd 12:15:17 <Rubidium> he can relicense it, but AFAIK anything distributed under GPL stays GPL 12:15:27 <planetmaker> ^^ my understanding. Yes. 12:15:34 <Celestar> my understanding as well 12:15:43 <Celestar> that's the main diff to the BSDL, isn't it? 12:15:43 <Noldo> GPL would needs a version and the licence files should be distributed with everything 12:16:29 * Celestar needs a particle gun 12:16:44 * Forked needs a month off work 12:16:49 <peter1138> Noldo, yeah, I don't think that statement would hold up in court ;) 12:17:37 <Noldo> peter1138: my thoughs exactly 12:18:04 *** Jezral [~projectjj@users113.kollegienet.dk] has joined #openttd 12:18:53 <Noldo> though is someone was to take zephyris' work and distribute properly under GPL... well propably not a good idea 12:19:14 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@users113.kollegienet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:20:14 <Noldo> anyway somehow I still hope that the opengfx artists could be reasoned with 12:20:17 <peter1138> That was more like a statement of intent. It is not statement of license. :) 12:20:40 <peter1138> When I win the lottery, I'll solve it all ;) 12:21:01 <Forked> do you play the lottery? 12:21:08 <peter1138> One thing I don't get is why they did it in 8bpp, but never mind. 12:21:15 <peter1138> Forked, sometimes, rarely. 12:21:32 <dih> what do the devs actually think of that license discussion on OpenGFX 12:21:43 <dih> what would you guys want? (WWYGW) 12:21:55 <dih> s/want/like to see/ 12:22:26 *** Sir-Bob [~chatzilla@c114-76-62-29.eburwd4.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0.1/2008070208]] 12:24:05 <peter1138> I think it's amusing that they didn't decide this beforehand. 12:24:17 <peter1138> Argh, wiki.openttd.org does not contain the company's internal wiki :o 12:24:33 <eekee> company's? 12:24:50 <peter1138> As in the company I work for. 12:25:21 <eekee> *blinks* 12:25:39 <peter1138> As in I loaded up the wrong URL. 12:27:25 <eekee> oh :D That's my kind of mistake :ß 12:27:49 <peter1138> Right, for the purposes of 'half a rack', how many U is the average rack... 12:28:36 <dih> 42U to a full rack 12:28:41 <peter1138> *nod* 12:28:46 <dih> i win i win 12:28:54 <peter1138> I think I'll go with 20U, to allow cabling space. 12:29:14 <dih> 20 U is quite big already 12:29:26 <peter1138> I need to shuffle stuff around to free up a contiguous 20U space. 12:29:28 <dih> all you need is decently pachted patch pannels 12:30:05 <dih> i.e. 24 port at front and 24 port at rear patched to eachother 12:30:11 <peter1138> There must be some kind of algorithm for this :) 12:30:18 <dih> lol 12:30:37 <Noldo> peter1138: isn't it basically a backbag problem? 12:30:59 <Noldo> I'd go for the greedy algorithm 12:31:41 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@86.89.201.189] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 12:34:46 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 12:35:01 <Eddi|zuHause> what is "commercial use" in the definition of the CC license? 12:37:24 <Celestar> what do you need half a rack for? (= 12:38:45 <Noldo> Eddi|zuHause: the example is basically that you can't charge money for redistributing 12:38:56 <eekee> erm, if you refuse commercial use in a grf bundled with ottd, that bundle couldn't be shipped on CD for a small fee, etc etc 12:39:52 <Noldo> Eddi|zuHause: "You may not exercise any of the rights granted to You in Section 3 above in any manner that is primarily intended for or directed toward commercial advantage or private monetary compensation. " 12:40:36 <Noldo> Eddi|zuHause: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/3.0/legalcode 12:40:48 <ln> can't be GPL-compatible 12:40:57 <Noldo> of cource it's not 12:41:01 <Celestar> I'm tried and bored. 12:41:07 <Noldo> though that is missing SA too 12:41:07 * Celestar goes hunting food 12:41:10 <ln> can never be included in any Linux distribution 12:41:34 <Noldo> ln: well, ubuntu has all kinds of stuff 12:42:25 <Eddi|zuHause> that's a pretty strict requirement 12:42:51 <Eddi|zuHause> i'd say nc should be out of the question for an "open" gfx 12:43:07 <Noldo> very much agreed 12:43:26 <peter1138> Celestar, customer wants it, for... you know, servers... 12:44:14 <peter1138> Although I appear to have lost 4U somewhere :o 12:46:32 *** Ridayah [~ridayah@12-208-15-67.client.mchsi.com] has joined #openttd 12:49:40 *** Volley [~worf@84-119-43-162.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:56:45 <Celestar> peter1138: why not buying a proper 42U thing in the first place? 12:58:33 *** welshdra-gone [~vista@host81-157-252-208.range81-157.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:02:13 <Brianetta> peter1138 writes cool patches. 13:02:23 <Brianetta> Colour by group. Drive-it-yourself. 13:06:08 <Brianetta> [13:41] <Celestar> I'm tried and bored. 13:06:10 <Brianetta> Tired? 13:10:59 <planetmaker> a bit off topic, but I'd like to share this link: http://hasthelargehadroncolliderdestroyedtheworldyet.com/ 13:11:08 <SpComb> ooold 13:11:20 <planetmaker> not to me :P 13:11:48 <SpComb> /lastlog shows it from 15.5 hours ago and 5.5 hours ago 13:11:48 *** Clinton [~chatzilla@123-243-60-98.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 13:12:10 <Clinton> Are there any scenarios for openttd that already have a rail network set up? 13:12:13 <planetmaker> probably gravitation redshift of information due to a new black hole caused this information arrive at my place late :P 13:12:17 <Clinton> in particular, real world scenarios? 13:14:40 <planetmaker> Clinton: any savegame you find could act as a scenario. 13:15:12 <Clinton> planetmaker: is there any place where there's some that people have based on real world networks? 13:15:16 <planetmaker> but there are little "real world" maps out there, less with built tracks. 13:15:32 <planetmaker> Probably, but I don't know where :P 13:15:39 *** Zr40 [~zr40@120-12-ftth.onsnetstudenten.nl] has quit [Quit: Zr40] 13:24:08 *** mucht_work [~Martin@143.50.125.24] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 13:29:12 * TrueBrain returns! 13:29:25 <TrueBrain> took a while to sync 160 GiB :p (and of course when the new volume is 500 GiB, you need to do some moving ;)) 13:30:25 <SmatZ> :-) 13:31:36 <TrueBrain> 'dd' is slow when you use bs=1 :p 13:31:37 <TrueBrain> lol 13:31:41 <TrueBrain> bs=1024 makes it slightly more .. useful :) 13:32:09 * eekee typically uses bs=1048576 13:32:26 * blathijs typically uses 4096K or something 13:32:43 <SmatZ> TrueBrain: any reason to use bs=1 ? to slow things down? :) 13:32:50 <TrueBrain> SmatZ: default ... :( 13:32:54 <SmatZ> :-) 13:33:06 <TrueBrain> and I was wondering why my HD was going all crazy and it was so darn slow :p 13:34:56 <SmatZ> I wonder the OS doesnt' apply any caching 13:35:14 <SmatZ> sh.... after lunch, I can't fit in my trousers 13:35:17 <SmatZ> baad 13:35:51 <SmatZ> done :) 13:35:57 <SmatZ> bbl 13:37:17 <peter1138> Celestar, what do you mean? 13:40:56 <Eddi|zuHause> a block size less than the drive's block size is hardly ever useful 13:41:42 *** mucht_work [~Martin@143.50.125.24] has joined #openttd 13:42:02 <Eddi|zuHause> i usually use something like 1024K (=1M) 13:47:12 <FauxFaux> You'd've thought there'd be a way to do it without copying the data into and out of user mode by now. 13:50:03 * Belugas wonders if peter1138 can come up with a sentence containing as many contractions with the same number of words as the last sentence... 13:50:13 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 13:51:59 <dih> hello Belugas 13:52:39 <Belugas> hello mister dih 13:52:48 <dih> :-) 14:05:47 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 14:12:50 <Eddi|zuHause> i only know a "Mister T" 14:16:44 <Belugas> i know one Mister Freeze 14:17:01 *** LA[lord] [~chatzilla@82.131.17.255.cable.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 14:17:11 *** Roujin [HydraIRC@e112.tum.vpn.lrz-muenchen.de] has joined #openttd 14:19:09 <Roujin> hey there 14:19:20 <LA[lord]> hello roujin 14:20:47 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has left #openttd [] 14:20:50 <Roujin> Born_Acorn, are you there? Could you unlock the "Roadmap" page on the wiki? (or anyone else for that matter?) 14:20:57 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 14:22:43 <Roujin> I think there should be a link to "New Features Since 0.6.0" there, below "New Features Since 0.5.0" 14:27:10 <glx> Roujin: this page is protected for a good reason 14:28:04 *** LA[lord] is now known as LA 14:29:22 <Roujin> I understand. Does someone who may edit it add the link to "New Features Since 0.6.0"? I created the page to make a list of the stuff that has been added to trunk since the latest stable 14:30:12 *** LA [~chatzilla@82.131.17.255.cable.starman.ee] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 2.0.0.16/0000000000]] 14:30:18 <Roujin> As there's also the link to "new features since 0.5.0" there, i reckon it could be linked there as well 14:33:05 <Brianetta> Improved Breakdowns ++ 14:33:53 <peter1138> Bah, my lights keep dimming. 14:34:25 <Eddi|zuHause> *mental note* leave time when pressing "ctrl,q", so it does not get interpreted as "ctrl+q" 14:36:05 <Progman> Roujin: the talk page isn't locked, is it? 14:36:24 <Roujin> no it isn't 14:36:45 <peter1138> Eddi|zuHause, or use a sensible keyboard layout that doesn't do that. 14:37:11 <Eddi|zuHause> peter1138: what does that have to do with layout? 14:37:28 <peter1138> Hmm, well, depends what ctrl on its own was meant to do. 14:38:04 <Eddi|zuHause> ctrl on its own enables "shortcut" keys to links on a webpage 14:38:08 <Roujin> i've written my request on the talk page on 23rd of August, but nobody has taken notice of it until now - so I'm repeating it here ;) 14:38:19 <Eddi|zuHause> and q then selects the appropriate link 14:38:36 <peter1138> How strange... 14:38:37 <Eddi|zuHause> in this case, the "quote" button in the post edit window 14:38:43 <peter1138> Ctrl on its own is usually ignored :o 14:38:58 <Eddi|zuHause> not in konqueror ;) 14:39:25 <peter1138> Typical of KDE to implement non-standard behaviour ;p 14:39:30 *** LA [~hailong@82.131.17.255.cable.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 14:40:00 <Eddi|zuHause> likewise, "ctrl,b" clicks on the "bold" button and stuff... it's actually quite useful 14:40:45 <Brianetta> Celestar, peter1138: Would reducing station catchment area be an effective way of reducing passenger numbers with cargodest? 14:41:49 <peter1138> I want to test it without newhouses. 14:43:53 <Eddi|zuHause> it's still too large without newhouses, imho 14:45:32 *** Dr_Jekyll [Dr_Jekyll@p57B0FFD6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:46:00 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@62.113.133.253] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:47:03 <eekee> smaller cachement area would go well with cargodest imho 14:47:29 *** Dr_Jekyll [Dr_Jekyll@p57B0FFD6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:47:34 *** Dr_Jekyll [Dr_Jekyll@p57B0FFD6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:47:43 *** Dr_Jekyll [Dr_Jekyll@p57B0FFD6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 14:47:52 *** Dr_Jekyll [Dr_Jekyll@p57B0FFD6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:47:52 *** Dr_Jekyll [Dr_Jekyll@p57B0FFD6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 14:48:27 *** Dr_Jekyll [Dr_Jekyll@p57B0FFD6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:48:47 <TrueBrain> Dr_Jekyll: in or out, make up our mind 14:49:00 <TrueBrain> @op 14:49:00 *** mode/#openttd [+o TrueBrain] by DorpsGek 14:49:10 *** mode/#openttd [-b *!~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] by TrueBrain 14:49:26 *** mode/#openttd [-o TrueBrain] by TrueBrain 14:53:21 <Dr_Jekyll> TrueBrain what you're trying to tell me? (i don't understand, not a native speaker) 14:54:09 <Belugas> he means that your repetitive attemps of connections are boring to watch 14:54:14 <Belugas> we wonder what the hell you 14:54:15 <Belugas> re 14:54:19 <Belugas> trying to do 14:54:28 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@62.113.133.253] has joined #openttd 14:54:31 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 14:54:36 <Belugas> and TrueBrain is not a native speaker, at least not in english ;) 14:54:40 <Belugas> nor am i... 14:56:25 <Dr_Jekyll> i've tried to connect to my usual irc servers in the row i usually do it - but something was wrong with the startscript 14:57:20 *** LA is now known as LordAzamath 14:57:40 <Dr_Jekyll> row = sequence, order 14:58:47 <Dr_Jekyll> and well watching tv is boring too (at least for me) that's the reason why i have not a tv 14:59:56 <Gekz> No-one natively speaks anything in here. 14:59:57 <Gekz> lol 15:00:40 <LordAzamath> I speak natively Estonian :P 15:00:51 <TrueBrain> LordAzamath: you would be the first person on earth 15:00:52 <TrueBrain> concratz :) 15:00:52 <Dr_Jekyll> ok, then i don't have to beworried bout typos 15:01:33 <Gekz> LordAzamath: that's one retarded language btw 15:01:34 <Gekz> :P 15:01:46 <TrueBrain> ( LordAzamath: you do realise I was trying to insult you, right? :p :p :p) 15:02:30 <TrueBrain> mwah, was a bad joke anyway :) 15:02:33 <LordAzamath> indeed 15:02:56 * TrueBrain takes it back and shows respect to LordAzamath's native speaknig :) 15:04:27 <Belugas> haaaaarrrgh Hargh hou hou hoummm yaaaaaa!!!! 15:04:33 <TrueBrain> Belugas: bless you 15:04:36 <Belugas> native alright? 15:04:43 <TrueBrain> lol :) 15:09:23 <Roujin> so.. nobody wants to put that "features added since 0.6.0" link to the roadmap page? :( 15:09:32 *** Volley [~worf@84-119-43-162.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #openttd 15:09:43 <blathijs> Roujin: Not sure who is allowed to. I'm not, anyway :-) 15:09:45 <glx> I can't 15:10:22 <peter1138> I can. 15:10:53 <peter1138> 0.6.0 - This version will feature ... 15:10:56 <peter1138> Maybe that needs changing :p 15:13:55 <davis-> "Commercial use by OpenTTD - Very happy" 15:13:56 <davis-> eh D: 15:14:38 <Roujin> i think you got that one wrong.. 15:16:15 <Roujin> i think this originated in someone saying that the sprites might be on a screenshot that might be on a t-shirt that might be on sale on that site that sells merchandise stuff of OpenTTD that was set up by orudge 15:16:32 * orudge sells Roujin a t-shirt 15:16:45 *** Swallow_ [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 15:17:11 <Roujin> that reminds me that I have to buy a T-shirt that says E:\> for my gf... 15:17:23 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fc277.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 15:18:12 <Roujin> have you got t-shirts of that kind on sale orudge? ;) 15:18:14 <LordAzamath> davis-: That is currently being discussed, don't think that we are yet finished 15:18:14 <orudge> why E:\? 15:18:16 <orudge> why not C:\ 15:18:17 <orudge> or A:\ 15:18:18 <orudge> or B:\ :D 15:18:21 <davis-> ah 15:18:26 <Roujin> because her name starts with E ^_^ 15:18:30 <orudge> ah, heh 15:18:39 <davis-> E:\ = porno hdd 15:18:47 <orudge> E:\ = "Misc" 15:18:54 <davis-> same shit different name? 15:19:02 <Roujin> I'm always saying shes my external memory, so now she gets a shirt with E:\> :P 15:19:07 <orudge> C:\ = main disk, J:\ = an old disk, Y:\ = home directory on server, Z:\ = media directory on server 15:19:09 <orudge> so now we know 15:19:20 <davis-> i splitted my hdds quite a lot 15:19:27 <davis-> c to p 15:19:32 <davis-> external is R 15:19:42 <davis-> dvd drive is S 15:19:43 <davis-> lol 15:20:36 <dih> davis-: you mean hda1 - had20 ? 15:20:37 <dih> :-P 15:20:45 <davis-> :s 15:21:00 <orudge> my DVD drive is D:, and I have a virtual drive F: 15:21:09 <davis-> ive 5 virtual drives 15:21:10 <Ammler> davis-: and what does that help? 15:21:11 <davis-> i think 15:21:17 <davis-> nothing realy 15:21:22 <davis-> i just made some mistakes like 6 years ago 15:21:27 <davis-> and i was to lazy to fix it yet 15:21:28 <Ammler> I see no reason to split a desktop in multiple disks 15:21:31 <orudge> however, I also have lots of things like C:\OldDrives\DriveJ, which contains an OldDisk, which contains a DriveG, which contains an OldDisk, which dates back to 1998 15:21:38 <orudge> C:\OldDrives\DriveJ\OldDisk\DriveG\OldDisk :D 15:22:11 *** GoneWacko [~GoneWacko@dhcp-077-249-197-241.chello.nl] has quit [Quit: Redecorating my computer area] 15:22:31 <davis-> :o 15:22:45 <LordAzamath> YAY. I've got 2 partitions :P 15:22:49 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:22:53 <LordAzamath> win and lin 15:22:56 <orudge> due to the fact that now and then, I'd get rid of old hard disks (well, stop using them), and copy all their contents to an "OldDisk" folder 15:22:58 *** Swallow_ is now known as Swallow 15:22:59 <LordAzamath> and I doubt I'd need more 15:23:03 <orudge> after a while, you end up with quite am ess 15:23:06 <orudge> a mess, too 15:23:26 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-14-143.prem.tmns.net.au] has quit [] 15:23:36 <davis-> hmm 15:23:56 <davis-> ive all my music on one partition , and all the games and movies on another 15:23:59 <davis-> thats all I need 15:26:13 *** Swallow_ [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 15:27:53 <orudge> I have all my music, TV shows, etc, in Z:\Music, Z:\TV shows, etc 15:27:55 <Celestar> gotta go 15:27:55 <orudge> which is on my server 15:27:56 <Celestar> cu later 15:27:57 <orudge> ta ta, Celestar 15:27:57 *** Celestar [~Jadzia_Da@129.187.69.65] has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:28:56 *** Swallow__ [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 15:29:31 *** Swallow___ [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 15:30:11 *** |Bastiaan| [~Bastiaan@77.60.199.138] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 3.2.6 Anomalies http://www.kvirc.net/] 15:31:35 <Brianetta> LordAzamath: Lose and Lin, surely? 15:31:49 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:31:58 *** Swallow___ is now known as Swallow 15:34:43 <LordAzamath> Brianetta: How would you play all those gmods and hl2-s with Linux :P 15:34:55 <Brianetta> Those whats? 15:35:02 <LordAzamath> I use windows only for gaming 15:35:08 <LordAzamath> Garrys Mod and Half Life 2 15:35:11 <Brianetta> I play OpenTTD on Linux 15:35:17 <LordAzamath> lol 15:35:20 <LordAzamath> but other games 15:35:22 <LordAzamath> ? 15:35:23 <Brianetta> Nethack 15:35:27 <Brianetta> Linux too 15:35:36 <Ammler> there are other games? 15:35:48 <Brianetta> Oh, and Oolite, of course 15:35:55 <orudge> LordAzamath: HL2, etc, works fairly well on Wine 15:36:14 *** Swallow_ [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:36:25 <Brianetta> I see people say stuff like that a lot. 15:36:31 <LordAzamath> yes, but if I have windows partition, why should I do it the hard way? 15:37:00 <Brianetta> You asked *me* how I'd play "all those gmods and hl2-s " 15:37:03 *** Swallow__ [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:37:14 <Brianetta> I'm windering what they are and why you'd want to 15:37:18 <LordAzamath> like, I've yet to see a man who has successfully played Multi Theft Auto: San Andreas on linux through wine :P 15:37:24 <LordAzamath> Brianetta: lol 15:37:35 <Brianetta> Look at it from my POV 15:37:55 <Brianetta> I upgraded from DOS to Linux (via Caldera OpenDOS) before Windows 95 was released. 15:37:55 <Eddi|zuHause> why does make say "[LANG] Generating table/strings.h" 3 times? 15:38:10 <Brianetta> Eddi: It wants to be sure. 15:38:26 <Brianetta> It's like invoking Satan 15:38:57 <planetmaker> making maniac ;) 15:38:58 <Brianetta> I updraded to Linux when Windows was still this optional thing for DOS users 15:39:22 *** taytay [~tcohen@linagoraberri.pck.nerim.net] has joined #openttd 15:40:06 <Brianetta> I'm still somewhat surprised when I see people play games in Windows. Back when I was in the un-free world, people used to quit Windows to give Doom more RAM. 15:40:29 <Brianetta> That's if you could run Doom in Windows at all. 15:40:33 <Eddi|zuHause> that was before they innventd directx ;) 15:40:53 <Brianetta> So you still have how many hundreds of megs of RAM given over to inactive GUI crap? 15:40:54 <LordAzamath> back when the computers had 32Mb Ram? :P 15:40:58 <orudge> well, you had direct access to the hardware in DOS 15:41:02 <orudge> which could be bother a blessing and a curse 15:41:03 <orudge> *both 15:41:26 <Brianetta> You have direct access to hardware in DirectX. That's why they call it that. 15:41:27 <Eddi|zuHause> Brianetta: the ram problem was about the low 640k... not that windows used some other megabytes that were not accessible by dos anyway 15:41:30 <Brianetta> It's barely protected. 15:41:41 <Brianetta> Eddi|zuHause: Not entirely 15:41:53 <orudge> Brianetta: yes, but I was commenting on the [16:40:31] <Eddi|zuHause> that was before they innventd directx ;) 15:41:56 <Brianetta> There was also the fact that you could triple your available RAM by not running Windows in it 15:42:08 <orudge> but anyway 15:42:20 *** Skiddles [~notme@cm184.epsilon121.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:42:20 <Eddi|zuHause> directx is more than a direct access layer 15:42:24 <Brianetta> Still, the last DOS computer I had sported 2MB RAM 15:42:25 * orudge has a smattering of old DOS games, a few of which he plays these days 15:42:30 <Forked> any "official" openttd merchandise anywhere that is not cafepress? :) 15:42:35 <orudge> Forked: not at the moment 15:42:39 <Eddi|zuHause> because it still has an abstraction from the actual hardware 15:42:42 <orudge> if you know of any better places to do such things, let me know 15:43:04 <Forked> orudge: I don't, but CP puts the wrong numbers on the packaging and that gives us hell with customs :\ 15:43:09 <Eddi|zuHause> which is still a huge advantage over DOS 15:43:15 <orudge> hmm 15:43:28 <Brianetta> I'd get some OpenTTD merchandise, but I'm simply not walking around with a giant dollar printed on me. 15:43:44 <Forked> item: $X + shipping: $Y .. oh no.. they just do Item: (x+y) and puts only the total 15:43:51 <Forked> I wanted the coffee cup :) 15:44:21 <Brianetta> Basically, I'm waiting for a better logo (: 15:45:41 <orudge> what's wrong with a dollar sign? It doesn't represent any specific type of dollar, just "money" in general 15:51:20 <Brianetta> yes 15:51:42 <Brianetta> Out of context, it's not even clear it's a game 15:52:10 <FauxFaux> Isn't there an official generic currency symbol? 15:52:12 <Brianetta> It's just a big orange square with a dollar, and some lettering that might mean anything 15:52:24 <Brianetta> FauxFaux: That wouldn't make me any keener to wear it 15:52:30 <FauxFaux> )O( € <-- that one. 15:56:20 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 15:56:21 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:56:22 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 15:58:18 <Brianetta> Basically, the T-shirt says, "Money!" 15:58:32 <Eddi|zuHause> what would people (as in "devs") think about this: www.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/thousand_separator.diff 15:58:35 <Brianetta> when I'd rather is says "OpenTTD! It's about transport somehow!" 15:59:12 <Eddi|zuHause> it adds a pragma "##separator" to language files, to specify the separator for {COMMA} numbers 15:59:28 <Eddi|zuHause> and defaults to ',' if not specified 15:59:36 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 16:00:00 <Eddi|zuHause> e.g. german uses '.' as separator 16:02:41 <Eddi|zuHause> {COMMA} is used for (almost) any numbers that are not currencies 16:02:50 <Eddi|zuHause> e.g. town population, waiting cargo 16:05:55 <Brianetta> I thought German uses . for all thousands 16:06:02 <Eddi|zuHause> yes 16:06:15 <Eddi|zuHause> that's what the patch allows 16:06:29 <Eddi|zuHause> it was only possible for currencies before 16:06:36 <Brianetta> oh, I see 16:06:40 <Brianetta> "not just currencies" 16:06:44 <Eddi|zuHause> all other numbers were hardcoded to ',' 16:07:12 <Brianetta> Some countries use a space 16:07:20 <Brianetta> so it'll be welcome, I imagine 16:07:42 <Eddi|zuHause> space is possible, too (at least i see no reason that would prevent that) 16:08:18 <Roujin> hmm, i'm really wondering where I should create and buy that t-shirt... 16:08:48 <Brianetta> Simutrans has a fantastic logo 16:09:08 <Roujin> I found no decent german or at least european site where you can print photos on dark shirts 16:09:13 *** taytay [~tcohen@linagoraberri.pck.nerim.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:09:28 <Brianetta> Transport Tycoon's box image was good for a t-shirt 16:09:36 <Eddi|zuHause> i like dark shirts more than light shirts 16:09:39 <Brianetta> The Locomotion logo is great 16:09:43 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has quit [Quit: ecke] 16:09:54 <Brianetta> Eddi: Me too. Locomotion's logo looks good on black. 16:10:20 <Roujin> also since the dollar is weak, I think ordering on cafepress.com would not be much more expensive than on an european one, even with the added cost for international shipping.. 16:10:32 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has joined #openttd 16:10:39 <Brianetta> Roujin: It's excise that hurts, not shipping 16:11:11 <Roujin> pardon me while I look up excise.. 16:13:15 <Brianetta> Actually, it'd be customs 16:13:25 <Brianetta> FOr years Customs and Excise was the same department int he UK 16:14:04 <Eddi|zuHause> i think anything below the value of 20⬠is free 16:15:12 <Brianetta> Helen bought me a £30 compass from the states. The import duty doubled the price. UPS cheerfully paid it, and stood on the doorstep demanding the extra. 16:17:28 <Eddi|zuHause> - bis zu einem Wert von 45,- Euro sind bei einer Sendung von Privat an Privat keine GebÃŒhren zu zahlen. Dies gilt nur bei nicht-kommerziellen Sendungen, also z.B. bei einem Geschenk 16:17:31 <Eddi|zuHause> - bis zu einem Wert von 22,- Euro sind auch bei bestellter Ware, Ebay Auktionen etc. keine GebÃŒhren zu zahlen. 16:17:37 <lobster_MB> !seen Rubidium 16:17:48 <lobster_MB> oh wait 16:18:20 <planetmaker> we don't have all day to wait, lobster_MB ;) 16:18:45 <lobster_MB> well, i guess you're not a student like me then :P 16:18:51 <Eddi|zuHause> note that the 22⬠include the shipping costs 16:18:57 <Roujin> Eddi: source? and does that include shipping cost? 16:18:57 <planetmaker> :P 16:19:01 <lobster_MB> i just forgot that this isn't #tycoon 16:19:10 <lobster_MB> so no patchbot 16:19:16 <Eddi|zuHause> http://testberichte.ebay.de/Zoll-Steuern-bei-ebay-Bestellungen-aus-dem-Ausland_W0QQugidZ10000000002395081 16:19:20 <planetmaker> @seen lobster_MB 16:19:20 <DorpsGek> planetmaker: lobster_MB was last seen in #openttd 10 seconds ago: <lobster_MB> so no patchbot 16:19:24 <Eddi|zuHause> lobster_MB: no, but we have DorpsGek 16:19:29 <lobster_MB> arghueh 16:19:38 <lobster_MB> alright, i get it :) 16:19:47 <planetmaker> :) 16:20:09 <lobster_MB> clearly the Dutch reign supreme with een DorpsGek as bot 16:20:14 <lobster_MB> @seen Rubidium 16:20:14 <DorpsGek> lobster_MB: Rubidium was last seen in #openttd 4 hours, 4 minutes, and 56 seconds ago: <Rubidium> he can relicense it, but AFAIK anything distributed under GPL stays GPL 16:20:32 <lobster_MB> hrrrr 16:20:47 <Roujin> bah, that's bad. The price is at 32 Dollars, which according to google is approx. 22,7 Euro 16:21:34 <Eddi|zuHause> Roujin: well, even above that price, there's a chance that you don't get "caught" 16:21:58 <lobster_MB> OS X 10.5 nightly discussion at http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=39477 is turning out to be more than interesting 16:22:30 <Eddi|zuHause> lobster_MB: so what do you need Rubidium for? 16:22:51 <Roujin> Eddi: wait - in the link you gave me it says "without shipping costs"! 16:23:12 <lobster_MB> Eddi: i wanted to ask him about the details of compiling 16:23:31 <Roujin> iso the 22 euro do not include the shipping costs.. 16:23:31 <Roujin> -i 16:23:45 <Eddi|zuHause> "Wichtig ist also, dass die Bemessungsgrundlage auch die Versandkosten enthÀlt." <- i read that sentence 16:24:10 <Eddi|zuHause> but that appears to be referring to the additional payment 16:24:25 <Eddi|zuHause> very confusing ;) 16:25:38 <Eddi|zuHause> lobster_MB: and why can you only do that with Rubidium? 16:25:44 <Roujin> yes oO 16:26:15 <Roujin> but I should be fine, since the actual product value is only .99 (times 0.71 according to google makes less than 22 Euro in any case) 16:28:02 <Roujin> I'll only see if I find some official page confirming what that link you gave me says 16:28:29 <Roujin> done. :) 16:29:26 <Roujin> as long as it's not alcohol, tobacco, coffee or perfumes, the < 22 Eur rule applies :) 16:30:54 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-213-249-245-1.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 16:35:09 *** LordAzamath [~hailong@82.131.17.255.cable.starman.ee] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0.1/2008070208]] 16:38:05 <lobster> Eddi: because he was involved in the aforementioned discussion 16:39:07 *** ecke1 [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has joined #openttd 16:41:06 <Brianetta> I like Simutrans' orders system 16:41:25 <Brianetta> You make a line (schedule of orders) and assign vehicles to it. 16:41:48 <Brianetta> It's like shared orders but cleaner. 16:42:42 <TrueBrain> lobster / lobster_MB: (pick a client for crying out loud): how is that typing more than interesting? 16:42:49 <TrueBrain> it is as boring as any other topic regarding the subject 16:45:37 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:47:08 <Eddi|zuHause> Brianetta: yeah, i'd like that, too 16:47:25 <TrueBrain> Brianetta: it is the reverse approach, if I read you correctly :) 16:47:30 <TrueBrain> sounds worth implementing in OpenTTD ;) 16:47:32 <Brianetta> I am trying to get Helen playing OpenTTD 16:47:39 <Brianetta> The orders thing just totally bewildered her 16:47:43 <Eddi|zuHause> good luck ;) 16:47:53 <Brianetta> We were just making a coal truck service 16:48:23 <Brianetta> Even the very basics, like "How do I get the coal from the coal mine to the station?" 16:48:27 <Brianetta> ("you don't") 16:48:44 <TrueBrain> send me ! :p 16:48:47 <Brianetta> Made me realise how much of this game I know because I've been playing it for 14 years 16:49:03 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-213-249-245-1.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:49:18 <Brianetta> Things sometimes aren't obvious, and I'm no longer aware of that 16:50:00 <TrueBrain> Brianetta: write them down, cna only improve OpenTTD 16:50:12 <Brianetta> Possibly. 16:50:20 <TrueBrain> bah, now I remember why I hated the mirror in .hu .. 16:50:22 <Brianetta> I rather suspect I'll be asked to provide the patch, too 16:50:24 <TrueBrain> more conenction drops then a rain-storm 16:50:32 <Eddi|zuHause> "wiki: How to get your wife playing openttd" 16:50:35 <TrueBrain> Brianetta: depends on who you ask ;) 16:50:56 <Brianetta> I'll do some research with my wife. 16:50:58 *** [1]Roujin [HydraIRC@e112.tum.vpn.lrz-muenchen.de] has joined #openttd 16:51:04 <Brianetta> re Roujin 16:51:47 <TrueBrain> I had to send a file 4 (!) times before it came over in one piece .. omg .. 16:52:07 <Belugas> [12:50] <Eddi|zuHause> "wiki: How to get your wife playing openttd" <--- mmmh... would love to read and let HER read it too ;) 16:52:09 <lobster> TrueBrain: most certainly it's interesting for OS X users like myself. i've not been able to play a game with for instance the new vehicle pool thing 16:52:34 <TrueBrain> lobster: the only other way (besides the obvious removing 10.5 Intel :p :p), is to compile yourself 16:52:39 <lobster> the broken Leopard builds had bothered me for ages, so this is an exciting prospect 16:52:41 <glx> lobster: you can still use the PPC version 16:53:02 <lobster> glx: yes, but that slowed down the game to a problematic level\ 16:53:10 <lobster> TrueBrain: quite true 16:53:13 <Brianetta> I'm going to compose a list of UI stumbling blocks, with perhaps alternative ways of explaining what's going on and (occasionally) a suggestion for a change to the game. 16:53:23 <TrueBrain> lobster: as that might be, just reliase that we can never distribute such binary as 'official' binary of any kind 16:53:27 <Brianetta> As an example, shared orders would require a gameplay change 16:53:44 <lobster> i wouldn't expect you to. TrueBrain 16:54:06 <Brianetta> I'm led to believe, though, that there's no addressable list of orders lists 16:54:14 <Brianetta> It's all done by copying pointers 16:54:17 *** Volley [~worf@84-119-43-162.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:54:26 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-213-249-245-1.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 16:54:37 <Brianetta> so any changes like this won't be popular with devs who'd have to do work 16:54:59 <TrueBrain> lobster: so what is new? He isn't the first to suggest building nightlies himself .. the last person who 'tried', did it for 2 days 16:54:59 <TrueBrain> whoho 16:55:09 <peter1138> Hello. 16:55:14 *** Roujin [HydraIRC@e112.tum.vpn.lrz-muenchen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:55:15 <peter1138> What's going on? 16:55:15 * TrueBrain hugs peter1138 16:55:23 *** [1]Roujin is now known as Roujin 16:56:58 <Eddi|zuHause> peter1138: i need someone committing http://bugs.openttd.org/task/2287 :) 16:57:11 <lobster> perhaps i'm being positive, but i do have some faith in this, TrueBrain 16:57:13 <peter1138> Brianetta, what's the connection between order lists and UI stumbling blocks? 16:57:20 <lobster> and on that bombshell, i'm off to buy some dinner 16:57:40 <TrueBrain> lobster: and maybe I have seen too many of those people passing by ;) I hope for you it works out :) 16:57:44 <Brianetta> peter1138: There's a really opaque UI to shared orders 16:57:48 <TrueBrain> in the mean time, I give an other try to get 10.5 Intel official supported .. 16:57:52 * TrueBrain hates OSX for the complexity .. 16:58:05 <Brianetta> peter1138: Compare to Simutrans, which has a really elegant idea 16:58:07 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:58:11 <peter1138> Indeed. 16:58:19 <Brianetta> You define a "line" and assign your vehicles to it 16:58:32 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 16:58:43 <Brianetta> whereas you can't bring up a list of order lists in openttd 16:58:48 <peter1138> That's what vehicle groups should have been, possibly. 16:58:54 <Brianetta> and searching for them is, I'm led to believe, expensive. 16:59:08 <Brianetta> Perhaps vehicle groups could become this 16:59:23 <Brianetta> Combine vehicle groups with shared orders (and liveries) 16:59:28 <peter1138> That would conflict with existing uses of vehicle groups. 16:59:36 <Brianetta> There are existing uses? 16:59:41 <Brianetta> I didn't see any 16:59:56 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, conditional autoreplace, for example 16:59:57 <peter1138> I use them on your server ;) 17:00:11 <peter1138> I have groups for freight services, groups for express lines, etc... 17:00:18 <Brianetta> Well, I wasn't psychic enough to figure that out. Another thing for the list. 17:00:20 <Eddi|zuHause> only replace vehicles you manually move to the "replace" group 17:00:32 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80AD2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 17:00:33 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 17:01:04 <Brianetta> Conditional autoreplace would likely be wanted for all trains on a shared orders list anyway 17:01:16 <Brianetta> autoreplace is such an artificial idea 17:01:30 <Brianetta> so how about grouped groups 17:01:33 <Brianetta> a hierarchy 17:01:45 <peter1138> :o 17:01:50 <Brianetta> with each leaf group having an order list 17:01:56 <Brianetta> whichoverrides the one above 17:02:01 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, but lacking the ability to slowly rotate out engines to the "lower" services, autoreplace is the only useful way 17:02:11 <Brianetta> and a livery which overrides the one above 17:02:35 <Brianetta> Eddi: You could just shift it to a slower group 17:02:43 <Brianetta> and it'd just get those orders and be off 17:02:49 <Brianetta> and even a new livery (: 17:02:58 <eekee> SmatZ: Thanks for the patch! 17:03:10 <Eddi|zuHause> Brianetta: yes, but switching out the wagons and stuff is a big hassle 17:03:11 <peter1138> Eddi|zuHause, could separator ever need to contain more than one character, or a UTF-8 encoded character? 17:03:23 <Brianetta> Eddi|zuHause: That's an aspect of the UI which needs improvement, too 17:03:44 <Brianetta> but re-purposing a train is something I always considered part of the game play 17:04:04 <Brianetta> In my last game I was always so short of money, every wagon counted 17:04:08 <Eddi|zuHause> peter1138: i didn't see any uses for multi-character separators, but utf-8 might be a valid concern 17:04:19 <peter1138> Eddi|zuHause, and also, do we ever use decimal separators? hehe 17:04:28 <Eddi|zuHause> peter1138: no 17:05:16 <Eddi|zuHause> about "will we ever...", i'm not psychic enough for that ;) 17:07:26 <Eddi|zuHause> peter1138: it should not be a huge problem to make it a char[8] or something 17:07:37 * Brianetta is off home 17:07:38 <Brianetta> bbl 17:07:40 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-3-70-101.manc.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 17:08:44 *** davis-- [~asd@p5B2895FC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 17:09:00 <davis--> -. 17:13:37 *** davis- [~asd@p5B28BC07.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:14:22 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... i don't know how to properly copy the separator-string into the buffer... 17:23:27 <SmatZ> eekee: ... you are welcome :) but what patch are you talking about? 17:24:04 <Roujin> see you 17:24:12 <Roujin> going home now :) 17:24:37 <Roujin> thanks for your help earlier Eddi|zuHause 17:24:37 <eekee> SmatZ: http://bugs.openttd.org/task/2272 17:25:28 *** Roujin [HydraIRC@e112.tum.vpn.lrz-muenchen.de] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- IRC with a difference] 17:25:44 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g226155218.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 17:26:00 *** Yeggs-work is now known as Yeggstry 17:29:02 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@79.0.236.137] has joined #openttd 17:29:12 <Wolf01> hello 17:30:30 <ln> ciao a lhc 17:30:43 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g226155218.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:30:49 *** Zahl [~Zahl@e179054162.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 17:31:51 <SmatZ> ahh, you are welcome, eekee :-) 17:46:27 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-3-70-101.manc.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 17:46:28 <Brianetta> re 17:47:37 <peter1138> Hi. 17:51:09 <Eddi|zuHause> peter1138: btw. the currency separator is not multi/utf-8 capable either 17:51:54 <peter1138> *nod* 17:57:23 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-213-249-245-1.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:59:27 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-3-70-101.manc.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 18:00:26 <Wolf01> does anybody knows how to block a connecction to an IP using Local Security Settings / IP Security Policies? 18:00:41 <peter1138> Yes. 18:02:26 <Wolf01> ok, I added an entry to the IP filter list, an entry with "block" as rule to filter operations 18:03:14 <Wolf01> and I'm trying to add a policy, I activated it but the IP is reachable :( 18:03:27 <davis--> :[ 18:03:50 *** LA [~chatzilla@82.131.17.255.cable.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 18:04:25 <peter1138> Well it worked :) 18:04:56 <peter1138> If I remember correctly you need to create an 'allow' rule, and then add that as the 'catch all' 18:05:21 <peter1138> The only time I set up that stuff I was creating is as default-deny anyway. 18:05:40 <peter1138> Wolf01, your solution is to go to the machine and remove the filter. 18:05:54 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-213-249-245-1.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 18:05:55 <Wolf01> uhm 18:06:18 <Wolf01> I think I'll install a firewall... 18:07:02 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: [FATAL] Client error: Memory leak - More RAM needed. 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More!] 18:22:00 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@user-54470bf2.wfd82a.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:33:42 <Eddi|zuHause> err... i have a missing catenary pylon 18:34:34 <ln> the DB wants it back 18:39:58 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:40:22 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 18:40:24 *** Yeggstry [~mind@cpc1-rdng14-0-0-cust946.winn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:56:35 *** Yeggstry [~mind@cpc1-rdng14-0-0-cust946.winn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 18:58:07 <peter1138> Rubidium, does the obg system allow for 32bpp-only graphics replacement? 18:59:08 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80AD2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:01:12 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B82CD8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 19:01:12 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 19:31:19 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-213-249-245-1.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:34:54 *** LA [~chatzilla@82.131.17.255.cable.starman.ee] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 2.0.0.16/0000000000]] 19:50:28 <Rubidium> peter1138: no, it's pure 8 bits grf 19:50:55 <Rubidium> and you can't do 32 bits anyways because then you miss colour mappings and such 19:51:17 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 19:51:57 <Rubidium> one could ofcourse make a bare minimum 1x1 pixel obg and replace that immediatelly with pngs 19:58:11 *** Clinton [~chatzilla@123-243-60-98.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:58:33 *** Clinton [~chatzilla@123-243-60-98.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 19:58:55 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-213-249-245-1.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 20:04:19 *** davis-- [~asd@p5B2895FC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.2 :: www.regroup-esports.com )] 20:05:38 *** ecke1 [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:19:14 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-177-108.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 20:19:26 *** Zahl [~Zahl@e179054162.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: (~_~]"] 20:21:12 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host86-153-45-29.range86-153.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 20:22:00 <ln> are we still alive? 20:24:11 <Rexxars> check http://www.hasthelhcdestroyedtheearth.com/ 20:25:31 <Aylomen> welcome to heaven's chat.......or hell's chat? 20:28:02 <Wolf01> http://www.spore.com/sporepedia#qry=srch-fortune%2520teller%3Asast-500009628953%3Apg-24 (if the link does not show one single creature copy it on the browser, I don't know why doesn't work from chat) lol, this looks like the fishing-frog fish :O 20:29:04 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-213-249-245-1.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:31:11 <ln> the what? 20:32:43 <Wolf01> the fish with the large mouth and the light 20:37:54 <Eddi|zuHause> the what? 20:37:57 <Wolf01> like in the Spongebob movie, the fake ice cream kiosk, which was the fish tongue 20:39:04 <Eddi|zuHause> i really feel sorry for you, for watching spongebob :p 20:41:35 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i59F5EDE5.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 20:46:45 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0.1/2008070208]] 20:47:38 <Wolf01> spongebob is funny... it's whacky 20:47:53 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5EDE5.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:59:33 *** Zr40 [~zr40@120-12-ftth.onsnetstudenten.nl] has joined #openttd 21:05:53 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fc277.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:08:37 <ln> hmm, good points: http://www.iltasanomat.fi/videot/viihde/1584831 (the video is in english, don't worry) 21:16:50 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i59F5EDE5.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:17:15 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i59F5EDE5.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 21:17:18 *** Volley [~worf@84-119-43-162.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #openttd 21:18:28 *** Aylomen [~a@DSL01.83.171.145.201.ip-pool.NEFkom.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:18:54 *** michi_cc [87fb29c23f@dude.icosahedron.de] has quit [Quit: michi_cc] 21:19:21 *** murray [murray@2001:470:1f0a:1be::ea7:beef] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:23:14 <Prof_Frink> :beef 21:23:51 <Eddi|zuHause> does that do anything in vim? 21:24:07 <Prof_Frink> Let's find out! 21:24:28 <Prof_Frink> E492: Not an editor command: beef 21:34:48 *** Jezral is now known as TinoDidriksen 21:41:56 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-213-249-245-1.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 21:46:42 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 21:53:22 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i59F5EDE5.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 22:00:12 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: [FATAL] Client error: Memory leak - More RAM needed. 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More!] 22:02:29 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-213-249-245-1.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:03:11 *** Nite_Owl [~chatzilla@c-75-74-51-51.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 22:07:42 *** Yeggstry is now known as Yeggzzz 22:20:31 *** Zr40 [~zr40@120-12-ftth.onsnetstudenten.nl] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 22:22:56 <Ammler> hmm, I desync without original grfs... 22:24:26 <Ammler> or is it possible that sample.cat can desync? 22:27:29 <Nite_Owl> !log 22:27:55 <Nite_Owl> !Logs 22:28:50 *** Zr40 [~zr40@120-12-ftth.onsnetstudenten.nl] has joined #openttd 22:28:53 *** Zr40 [~zr40@120-12-ftth.onsnetstudenten.nl] has quit [] 22:29:04 <Eddi|zuHause> sample.cat only contains the sound files 22:29:31 <Eddi|zuHause> are different things happening when sounds that should be there are not played? 22:29:52 <Eddi|zuHause> like different random decisions whether to play a sound? 22:30:28 <glx> not that I know of 22:30:34 <Eddi|zuHause> i can't think of a reason either 22:31:11 <Ammler> I created a empty file sample.cat 22:31:24 <Ammler> or is there an other possibility 22:31:36 <Ammler> seems somehow forgotten from Rubidum :-) 22:31:37 <glx> vehicle sprite "size"? 22:31:51 <Ammler> +i 22:32:43 <Ammler> replaced the empty file now with original sample.cat, no desync 22:33:31 <Ammler> the font of OpenGFX isn't that optimal 22:35:23 <Ammler> got a strange error if I join with empty sample.cat 22:37:41 *** Nite_Owl [~chatzilla@c-75-74-51-51.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 2.0.0.16/2008070205]] 22:42:29 *** nekx [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.21 :: www.esnation.com )] 22:44:15 <Wolf01> 'night 22:44:19 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@79.0.236.137] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 22:44:27 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has joined #openttd 22:53:37 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-3-70-101.manc.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 22:55:34 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-213-249-245-1.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 22:55:35 <Ammler> glx> vehicle sprite "size"? <-- yeah! 22:55:58 <Ammler> what has that to do with sample.cat? 23:00:55 <Ammler> I can join dihedral's nightly... 23:01:11 * Ammler is going to read changelog :-) 23:01:38 <Eddi|zuHause> so 0.6 desyncs but nightly does not? 23:04:13 <Ammler> Eddi|zuHause: no 23:04:26 <Ammler> yesterday nightly does 23:04:29 <Ammler> todays not 23:04:39 <Ammler> but there are only 3 changes between 23:04:47 <Ammler> no commits the whole day? 23:05:05 <Eddi|zuHause> i haven't seen any... 23:05:19 <Ammler> hmm, no idea 23:05:32 <Ammler> dih's nightly server has no newgrfs... 23:05:42 <Eddi|zuHause> especially not FS#2287 ;) 23:07:15 <Ammler> eddi that looks more like a region setting then language 23:10:04 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-111-36.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [Quit: Zzz] 23:12:51 <Ammler> renaming opengfx*.grf to trg*.grf works nice for 0.6.2 23:15:13 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-111-36.fttx.bbned.nl] has joined #openttd 23:16:31 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:19:59 <Ammler> 0.6.2 does also not desync 23:20:14 <Ammler> so it is something with newgrfs, strange :-( 23:20:30 <Eddi|zuHause> well, you are free to provide a de_CH localization ;) 23:22:22 <Ammler> Eddi|zuHause: I liked to, but you know how easy the translation support is... 23:22:31 <Brianetta> Ammler: http://ppcis.org/standard/ 23:22:40 <Ammler> Brianetta: ? 23:22:45 <Brianetta> Read 23:22:50 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:23:14 <Ammler> you mean, because I just joined a left again? 23:23:19 <Brianetta> no 23:23:28 <Brianetta> just read 23:24:28 <Ammler> sorry, if I broke a rule, but your server is one of the few with newgrfs and I am wondering why I desync on coop ps. 23:24:40 <Brianetta> READ 23:24:42 <Brianetta> It's not hard 23:24:44 <Ammler> :-) 23:24:58 *** Sir-Bob [~chatzilla@c114-76-62-29.eburwd4.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 23:28:04 <Brianetta> Have you read it yet? 23:28:24 <Ammler> Brianetta: if you are still on the server, you can reset my company, sorry for any troubles I made :-) 23:28:46 <Brianetta> Ammler: Stop talking to me about your visit to the server and read the damned page, please 23:28:49 <Ammler> I thought, you will delete unpassworded companies automatically. 23:29:04 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:29:21 <Ammler> Brianetta: I don't see it, sorry :-( 23:29:29 <Brianetta> The bit in bold 23:30:01 * Brianetta hits Ammler with a rolled up web browser 23:30:19 <Ammler> :-) 23:30:40 <Ammler> I read it now the 3. time :-P 23:30:52 <Brianetta> So, now you know better what causes desyncs? 23:31:02 <Ammler> ah, well, 23:31:09 <Ammler> I didn't desync on your server 23:31:13 <Brianetta> I know 23:31:19 <Brianetta> You didn't do anything 23:31:21 <Ammler> I desyncd on coop ps 23:31:53 <Ammler> I founded a company and let it run for about 2 days... 23:32:31 <Ammler> I need to test again, if the server is busy 23:32:45 <Brianetta> It's a new game, about half an hour ago 23:32:54 <Ammler> yeah, bad luck. 23:33:07 <Brianetta> "Ammler: hmm, paused?" 23:33:44 <Ammler> that's why I founded a company. 23:33:56 <Ammler> you don't unpause for specators, it seems... 23:34:01 <Brianetta> no 23:34:08 <Brianetta> min_players works like that 23:34:20 <Brianetta> and doing nothing on an empty server won't desync you 23:34:28 <Brianetta> *can't* desync you 23:35:11 <Ammler> Do you know another 0.6er server with GRFs? 23:36:11 <Brianetta> I don't know any other servers, really 23:36:45 <Ammler> I am really confused, why I desync on coop ps because of missing sample.cat 23:38:59 *** welshdragon [~vista@host81-157-252-208.range81-157.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 23:39:24 <Ammler> hmm, now I am on another NewGRF server without desync.. 23:39:42 <Brianetta> You need sample.cat 23:39:52 <Brianetta> It's not an optional file 23:40:02 <Ammler> but not the original 23:40:07 <Ammler> you can replace it with a empty file 23:40:14 <Brianetta> As long as the sample data is the same length 23:40:20 <Brianetta> An empty one's fine for solo 23:40:22 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host86-153-45-29.range86-153.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 23:40:50 <Ammler> I joined a mega server without troubles... 23:41:09 <Ammler> the only server I know, yet, is coop 23:41:23 <Ammler> which doesn't like me with empty sample.cat. 23:45:27 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-111-36.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [Quit: Caught sigterm, terminating...] 23:46:09 <Ammler> the grf replacment is quite useless if sample.cat can't be replaced too. 23:46:56 *** elmex [~elmex@e180066061.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:51:24 <Ammler> also no problem with cargodest branch 23:51:44 <Ammler> that is just strange... (sorry for my monolog, btw.)