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*** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-14-249.prem.tmns.net.au] has joined #openttd 09:37:45 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@users113.kollegienet.dk] has quit [Quit: http://tinodidriksen.com/] 09:40:41 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@users113.kollegienet.dk] has joined #openttd 09:47:49 *** welshdra-gone [~vista@host81-157-252-208.range81-157.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:04:47 <Tim> Nobody said anything for about 2 hours now Oo 10:05:05 <Forked> and you ruined that :p 10:05:17 <Tim> Hehe 10:05:21 <TrueBrain> yeah, Tim, boohoo :( We were almost in the guiniss book of records 10:05:36 <Tim> hrhr *evilgrin* 10:10:42 <peter1138> Do I have someone on ignore? 10:10:58 <peter1138> Cos I don't see anything said for 9 hours... 10:11:30 <Tim> dunno, i only joined 2 hours ago 10:11:37 <TrueBrain> peter1138: I also have my 'burp' as latest entry :p 10:12:05 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-155-152.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 10:15:35 <Tim> Hm, since we have no topic, what do you think about http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=727290#p727290 ? 10:17:41 *** Sir-Bob [~chatzilla@c114-76-62-29.eburwd4.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 10:22:07 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 10:22:07 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:22:09 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 10:22:24 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@62.113.133.253] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:23:17 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 10:28:45 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@62.113.133.253] has joined #openttd 10:40:03 *** Clinton [~chatzilla@123-243-60-98.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:42:57 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm105.epsilon122.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 10:45:00 *** welshdragon 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11:52:59 <Doorslammer> Ha haa, wordplay :P 12:02:25 <guru3> bloody hell... does IMG_Load always get the image upside down? 12:05:24 <FauxFaux> boost::assign. ¬_¬ 12:05:36 <guru3> referencing from the wrong corner... go figure 12:05:46 * guru3 slaps the pyopengl devs 12:13:02 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has joined #openttd 12:21:05 *** Netsplit charon.oftc.net <-> resistance.oftc.net quits: Frostregen, lobster, mikegrb, ecke, Doorslammer, izhirahider, DaleStan, Tim 12:23:58 *** penfold [~p@cpc1-hem18-0-0-cust608.lutn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 12:24:17 *** CIA-1 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has joined #openttd 12:24:45 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:27:17 *** Pikka [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has quit [] 12:30:08 *** Netsplit over, joins: Frostregen, Doorslammer, DaleStan, lobster 12:30:52 <dih> sample.cat only holds sound, correct? 12:32:39 <dih> if yes, could the need of that file not be made optional and simply disable sound if that file is not there? 12:33:01 <FauxFaux> The game continues to work (normally) with an empty sample.cat. 12:33:05 <FauxFaux> ie. touch sample.cat 12:33:36 *** CIA-1 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:35:36 <Ammler> http://mz.openttdcoop.org/screens/empty_sample.cat.png :-o 12:37:16 <dih> Ammler: is that not unrelated to samble.cat? 12:37:45 <planetmaker> if the only difference is an empty sample.cat or the original one: obviously not (completely) 12:38:08 <dih> (opengfx grf's?) 12:38:29 <dih> i whish you had played that in german 12:38:39 <dih> then i would at least know if my translation fits in that window :-D 12:38:53 <Ammler> dih: I did on my nightly tests :P 12:39:12 <Ammler> no opengfx 12:39:19 <Ammler> just the sample.cat 12:39:31 <planetmaker> Ammler: static grfs? 12:39:50 <Ammler> you see that from the fences 12:41:15 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-155-152.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: und weg] 12:41:23 <Ammler> planetmaker: static grfs will be included at the end, so I don't use them... :-) 12:41:48 <Ammler> not well useable with newgrfs 12:42:18 <planetmaker> well, yes. But some people might do nevertheless :) 12:43:14 <planetmaker> but I was just checking :) 12:48:02 <Ammler> planetmaker: checked and I can say definitly no 12:49:08 <planetmaker> :) 12:54:37 *** sulai [~Miranda@p5B2B6E59.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 12:58:24 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@user-54470bf2.wfd82a.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 12:58:24 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 12:58:24 *** izhirahider [~izzy@izhirahider.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 12:58:25 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has joined #openttd 12:58:25 *** mikegrb [~michael@mikegrb.netrep.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 13:00:10 <peter1138> So... 13:03:35 <planetmaker> I can confirm Ammler's observation. Just tested it on my installation with an empty sample.cat of the same size as the original sample.cat 13:03:48 <planetmaker> I get the same newgrf error, too and desync also immediately 13:04:52 <peter1138> Do you have multiple original data files? 13:05:03 <planetmaker> peter1138: no. 13:05:03 <peter1138> It might be switching from Windows to DOS or vice versa. 13:05:35 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-3-70-101.manc.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 13:07:00 <dih> planetmaker: empty sample.cat should not have the same size as the original sample.cat :-P 13:07:02 <planetmaker> That I don't know. The only debug output I get is a desync one. The only difference is in installation between the two start-ups of OpenTTD is sample.cat 13:07:16 <planetmaker> dih: it has. spaces and line breaks. I made sure :) 13:07:26 <dih> that is not empty then :-) 13:07:31 <planetmaker> well, yes :P 13:07:35 <peter1138> You generally get more debugging output if you turn debuggin on. 13:07:42 <planetmaker> :) I'll try 13:08:01 <peter1138> Hmm, 552MB copied. 13:08:22 <planetmaker> peter1138: which debugging parameters would you like me to set? 13:08:43 <dih> -d 9 13:08:44 <dih> :-P 13:09:05 <peter1138> That'll do. 13:09:59 <SmatZ> I can't reproduce it 13:10:19 <SmatZ> but maybe that's because I have both DOS and WIN grf files... 13:10:34 <dih> SmatZ: you wanna go swim? 13:11:15 <dih> thought perhaps you'd like to build a pool? 13:11:37 <SmatZ> :-) 13:11:40 <SmatZ> I may try :) 13:12:16 <dih> hihi 13:12:18 * dih hugs SmatZ 13:15:41 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 13:15:43 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:15:44 <peter1138> Right, I have a disk image, from using dd... 13:15:49 <peter1138> How do I mount it? 13:15:56 <planetmaker> hm. openttd -d 9 > output.log leaves an empty log file. An idea how to get the debug output into a file then? 13:16:03 <peter1138> Use &> 13:16:06 <Gekz> &> 13:16:12 <Gekz> peter1138: damn you 13:17:14 <penfold> :) 13:17:35 <glx> planetmaker: try 2> 13:17:48 <planetmaker> neither worked :S 13:18:00 <glx> windows? 13:18:06 <planetmaker> everything is still shown in my terminal. And it's history is too short. MacOS 10.4 13:18:22 <Gekz> X.4 13:18:23 <Gekz> lol 13:18:26 <glx> > log 2>&1 13:19:01 <eekee> 10.4 uses ancient bash 13:19:13 <planetmaker> glx^^? 13:19:28 <eekee> glx's way should work 13:19:36 <planetmaker> openttd -d 9 > logfile.log >> & 1 13:19:44 <glx> 2>&1 13:19:54 <glx> redirect error to std 13:20:03 <TinoDidriksen> >> is append. Can't both > and >> in the same command. 13:21:37 <TinoDidriksen> Ah, yeah, 2> does not mean two >'s... 13:23:06 <planetmaker> err... I guess, I have to ask for the complete command line... sorry :S 13:23:35 <glx> openttd -d 9 > logfile.log 2>&1 13:24:16 <glx> but "openttd -d 9 2>logfile.log" should be enough 13:25:10 <planetmaker> the first line (I tried it before) has NO effect. Nothing's started. No output. Very strange. 13:25:35 <glx> no output is normal as everything is redirected to the file 13:25:46 <planetmaker> well. But OpenTTD isn't started. 13:26:31 <planetmaker> !password 13:26:31 *** planetmaker was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [Wrong channel. Retry in #openttdcoop.] 13:26:41 *** planetmaker [~pm@members.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 13:28:03 <planetmaker> :D 13:28:12 <planetmaker> ok... right 3.3 MB log file... 13:29:50 <planetmaker> g2g quickly. will post later 13:35:16 <dih> (./openttd 2>&1) > logfile 13:44:19 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad1d181.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:44:43 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad45699.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 13:46:29 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:47:02 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 13:48:33 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 13:51:26 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 13:51:52 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@bib-theater33.hku.nl] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 13:55:40 <Eddi|zuHause> <peter1138> Right, I have a disk image, from using dd... <- it'd be easier if you had a partition image 13:56:18 <Eddi|zuHause> but generally, loop devices will get the job done 13:56:59 *** sono [~sono@78.46.42.175] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 13:59:19 *** Hassan [~Hassan@s559031d6.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 13:59:57 <Hassan> I am experiencing problems with getting the server list from the master server in the ingame multyplayer system 14:00:11 <Hassan> It just doesn't show up anything... 14:00:24 <dih> hello to you too Hassan 14:00:30 <Hassan> hi ;) 14:00:32 <dih> i am fine, and how are you? 14:00:40 <Hassan> well no so well :P 14:00:47 <dih> shame 14:01:05 <dih> i would have been better too, had you not just blasted in without greeting etc ;-) 14:01:09 <dih> hehe 14:01:17 <dih> (uh i enjoyed that, thank you Hassan) 14:01:18 <dih> :-P 14:01:20 <Hassan> I will remember that : 14:01:24 <dih> hihi 14:01:42 <dih> did you try visiting servers.openttd.org ? 14:01:47 <Hassan> yes I have 14:01:57 <Hassan> all servers are listed, and according to that page 14:02:07 <Hassan> no problems should be encountered :D 14:02:45 <dih> you can join servers over the console, command: connect ip:port#company 14:02:53 <dih> where company = 255 means spectator 14:03:08 <Hassan> Lets try that one :) 14:03:11 <dih> where when you start the game from the console 14:03:16 <SmatZ> Hassan: what OTTD version are you using? 14:03:25 <Hassan> 0.6.2 14:03:30 <dih> -n <ip>:<port>#<company> 14:04:31 <Hassan> The console use has succeeded 14:05:06 <dih> enjoy the game 14:05:11 <dih> you are welcome 14:06:14 <Hassan> but i manually did put in the ip of the server in the server list 14:06:22 <Hassan> and it showed me an offline server 14:06:43 <Hassan> might some setting of mine be incorrect? 14:07:19 <yorick> your internet connection. 14:07:36 <yorick> mabe 3979 and 3978 are being blocked? 14:08:05 <Hassan> Hmm good point.. But then it shouldn't have connected to the server I joined now... 14:09:50 <yorick> udp? 14:10:19 <glx> the dropdown is on internet or lan ? 14:10:21 <Hassan> I am unfamiliar with that word 14:10:27 <Hassan> dropdown? 14:10:40 <glx> on top of the server list 14:10:50 <Hassan> internet of course 14:10:50 <Hassan> :) 14:11:12 <yorick> hm, I manage a packet loss of 33/157 14:12:08 <yorick> oh, that's the packets that are not lost 14:12:50 <Hassan> are you experiencing problems also? 14:13:42 <yorick> no, it works the second time 14:14:21 <yorick> after I fixed the query script :-p 14:15:07 *** welshdra-gone is now known as welshdragom 14:15:15 *** welshdragom is now known as welshdragon 14:16:08 <dih> nessi :-D 14:16:44 <welshdragon> ln, i have used welshdra-gone for a while now, it suprises me you only just noticed it 14:17:04 <yorick> ln? 14:17:48 <welshdragon> * You are now known as welshdra-gone 14:17:48 <welshdragon> <ln> welshdra-gone: not interesting 14:18:10 <welshdragon> i was replying to his comment 14:18:32 <yorick> I don't remember having ln on ignore 14:18:46 <Eddi|zuHause> you just fail. 14:18:52 * yorick unignores ln 14:19:20 *** Tim [~Tim@p5B37D028.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:20:04 <ln> welshdragon: the point was that it's not interesting that you are gone, therefore don't use away nicks. 14:20:23 <dih> just set /away ;-) 14:20:26 <dih> that's all you need 14:20:27 <ln> indeed 14:20:35 <dih> good clients display that anyway 14:20:52 <ln> and anyone doing a /whois on you sees that you are away. 14:21:08 <dih> + you can set auto reply to private messages when you actually are gone 14:21:18 <dih> so anybody trying to contact you in private can see 14:21:19 *** FR^2 [~frquadrat@oscar.frquadrat.de] has joined #openttd 14:21:32 <Hassan> dih, thx for helping me anyway :D 14:21:43 <Hassan> I will reroute some ports I think 14:21:49 <dih> and anybody contacting you in public will quickly notice you are gone, either by the long pause, or by the client side displayed away statys 14:21:54 <Hassan> Bey bey dih (This good enough for you) :P 14:21:56 <welshdragon> dih and ln i have used that for at least 3 months, ask Prof_Frink, ill remember in future to /part before i set that nick in future 14:22:01 <dih> Hassan: :-) 14:22:04 *** Hassan [~Hassan@s559031d6.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 14:22:29 <dih> where are you _that_ important that others need to know? 14:22:34 *** Zahl [~Zahl@e179054162.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 14:22:45 *** welshdragon [~vista@host81-157-252-208.range81-157.btcentralplus.com] has left #openttd [Leaving] 14:22:50 <dih> seriously, it's seldom anything other than trying to appear important or funny 14:23:18 <dih> well - that suits me too :-) 14:23:56 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-111-36.fttx.bbned.nl] has joined #openttd 14:29:54 *** welshdragon [~vista@host81-157-252-208.range81-157.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 14:33:16 *** nckomodo [~nckomodo@scottb.carrollwater-wifi0.amplex.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:33:40 *** nckomodo [~nckomodo@scottb.carrollwater-wifi0.amplex.net] has joined #openttd 14:40:12 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 14:40:59 <Ammler> welshdragon: the problem is, if you like to ignore "rename" spam, you also have to ignore join/parts, at least on my client.... 14:42:55 <Ammler> (away nick=rename spam) ;-) 14:44:11 <welshdragon> when are the new zoom levels going to be implemented? 14:44:21 <hylje> /ignore * NICKS -pattern "(afk|zzz|off)" 14:44:31 <Eddi|zuHause> welshdragon: they don't 14:44:47 <welshdragon> Eddi|zuHause, oh? 14:45:11 <welshdragon> is http://wiki.openttd.org/wiki/index.php/32bpp_graphics_development_tracker_(extra_zoom)not being used anymore? 14:45:42 <Eddi|zuHause> it's been decided that at most one further zoom level might come. anything more than that won't fit the game style (especially vehicle movement) 14:46:20 <welshdragon> aah 14:47:48 <welshdragon> they look very simcityesque 14:47:54 <eekee> 15:30:35 < ib> lalo, 42 is the answer to everything except "how many make jobs do you want?" 14:49:52 *** nckomodo [~nckomodo@scottb.carrollwater-wifi0.amplex.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:56:16 <Rubidium> isn't that the adviced number of jobs for a 19.5 core CPU? 14:57:04 <Gekz> you cant have half a core 14:57:35 <TrueBrain> give me a saw and I show you 14:57:46 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-14-249.prem.tmns.net.au] has quit [] 14:58:01 <Rubidium> Gekz: but a Celeron is half a core of a Pentium 4 14:58:23 <Gekz> it's not half a core at all. 14:58:37 <TrueBrain> get a saw and yuo can give Gekz a half of a core 14:58:59 <Gekz> RUN, NON-NATIVE ENGLISH SPEAKERS 14:59:09 *** nckomodo [~nckomodo@scottb.carrollwater-wifi0.amplex.net] has joined #openttd 14:59:15 <TrueBrain> Gekz: why are you stil lhere? 14:59:20 <Gekz> TrueBrain: you have Romance language tendencies 14:59:25 <Gekz> but your native language isnt a romance language 14:59:29 <Gekz> it's quite amusing :) 14:59:30 <TrueBrain> me caesar! 14:59:51 <Belugas> hoo... Gekz likes romance :) 14:59:52 <TrueBrain> you nero 14:59:53 <TrueBrain> you burn 15:00:00 * Belugas sends flowers and poems to Gekz :D 15:00:06 <Gekz> I have a girlfriend Belugas 15:00:10 <Gekz> I dont need you anymore 15:00:13 <Gekz> :> 15:00:13 <TrueBrain> Gekz: and he has a wife, so? 15:00:36 <Gekz> my point was proven in the second line 15:00:42 <dih> a reason, no hinderance. 15:01:28 <Gekz> well, anywho 15:01:30 <Gekz> good night :) 15:01:30 <Eddi|zuHause> nero doesn't burn here... k3b does ;) 15:03:38 <Eddi|zuHause> am i the only person that did not get what he meant with "romance language tendencies"? 15:04:40 <peter1138> Half a core of a Pentium 4? But a Pentium 4 only had one core... Or maybe that's the point. 15:05:57 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 15:06:49 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: I tried to ignore it :p 15:07:24 <Rubidium> peter1138: a Celeron is a P4 with broken caches etc. disabled, basically they're failed P4s 15:07:47 <Brianetta> With the possible exception of the mobile version 15:08:14 <Brianetta> which is a P4 where they did without all those caches to make the thing small 15:08:17 <Belugas> i guess he meant romane, instead 15:08:35 <Belugas> like coming from latin 15:08:43 <Brianetta> Romance 15:09:05 * Belugas googles 15:09:13 <Eddi|zuHause> i'd have said "romanic", but still, the statement makes absolutely no sense 15:09:27 <Brianetta> Romance means "of Rome" and in linguistics refers to languages including French, Spanish, Portuguese, Italian and Romanian 15:10:08 <Belugas> mmh 15:10:09 <Belugas> right 15:10:15 <Brianetta> In western Europe, the other languages tend to be Germanic ones, including German, English, Dutch and all those scandie ones. 15:10:27 <Belugas> i have to agree with Eddi|zuHause, "Romanic" sounds better 15:10:45 <peter1138> It's not the right word, though. 15:10:55 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has joined #openttd 15:11:25 *** yorick is now known as Guest6419 15:11:26 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 15:11:27 <Eddi|zuHause> Brianetta: yes, i know language classifications, but that does not give any further sense to the statement 15:12:19 <Brianetta> Probably referring to that post you made on the forum 15:12:33 <Brianetta> about capitalisation 15:12:46 <Brianetta> to be perfectly honest, he didn't make a lot of sense to me, either 15:12:52 <Eddi|zuHause> how does that fit in? 15:13:05 <Brianetta> At a guess 15:13:09 *** Guest6419 [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:13:40 <Brianetta> Latin, being the Romance progenitor, only had capitals for carved legibility. 15:13:50 *** Dr_Jekyll [Dr_Jekyll@p57B0F2BB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:14:27 <Eddi|zuHause> the german capitalisation rules are not that old... 15:15:26 <Brianetta> They're also brilliant 15:15:43 <Eddi|zuHause> german bible translator Martin Luther is said to have made that rule widespread 15:15:55 <Brianetta> Capitalising all Nouns makes it so much easier to parse a Sentence 15:16:03 <Brianetta> Time flies like an Arrow 15:16:11 <Brianetta> Fruit Flies like a Banana 15:16:16 *** extraPrima [~extraPrim@p57B21767.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 15:16:19 <extraPrima> hallo 15:16:31 <Eddi|zuHause> all objects that were created by god got one capital letter 15:16:40 <Belugas> Like Herod 15:16:57 <Kloopy> Big Breasts? 15:16:58 <peter1138> I hate him! 15:17:11 <Kloopy> You hate Herod? He probably would say the same thing about you. :( 15:17:20 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B756CF.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:17:26 <extraPrima> i need some nice mods for citys bridges and trian stations 15:17:32 <Brianetta> TschÃŒÃ, Eddi.... 15:17:35 <peter1138> He would. 15:17:40 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B756CF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:17:45 <extraPrima> some that look a kind of "real" 15:17:56 <Ammler> extraPrima: ask Belugas 15:17:57 <extraPrima> can you show me some? 15:18:02 <Brianetta> http://grfcrawler.tt-forums.net/ 15:18:04 <peter1138> http://grfcrawler.tt... 15:18:06 <peter1138> Damn you :o 15:18:07 <Brianetta> That's a great place 15:18:20 <peter1138> Belugas, when are you seeing them? 15:19:23 <Aylomen> Try total bridge renewal set, if you want bridges 15:19:28 <extraPrima> ok 15:19:45 <Belugas> peter1138 : 23 of september :) 15:19:55 <peter1138> :D 15:20:03 <Belugas> tick tock time marches on and on! 15:20:35 <Belugas> and guess who's next on the list? 15:20:36 <Belugas> NIN! 15:21:10 <extraPrima> does dbset work together with other sets such as total brigde renewal 15:21:11 <extraPrima> ? 15:21:16 <Eddi|zuHause> yes 15:21:33 <peter1138> Hehe 15:21:56 <Eddi|zuHause> just using several sets of the same kind will get you in trouble, like two trainsets, or two roadsets 15:22:29 <extraPrima> ok 15:22:42 <extraPrima> now a have new trains and new bridges 15:22:52 <extraPrima> just need nice cities 15:22:55 * peter1138 puts CODY on. 15:23:16 * Belugas follows :) 15:23:30 <Aylomen> Total Town replacement or that American Town Set, don't know, waht it is called 15:24:00 <Aylomen> but look at grf crawler, there are many nice sets 15:24:04 * Belugas fails to follow 15:24:12 <Belugas> damned song's at home :( 15:24:13 <Belugas> grrr 15:24:27 <extraPrima> thats the prob 15:24:33 <extraPrima> there are too many 15:24:34 <extraPrima> :D 15:24:39 <Aylomen> try them all ;) 15:24:48 <Eddi|zuHause> two house sets should be fine 15:24:50 <Belugas> but one at a time... 15:25:00 <Belugas> in order to spot the difference ;) 15:25:02 <Eddi|zuHause> two station sets are definitely fine 15:25:09 <Belugas> AND NOT MIDGAME! 15:25:39 <Eddi|zuHause> two industry sets are only fine if they are designed to cooperate with each other 15:25:44 *** sunkan [sunkan@sunkan.bsnet.se] has quit [Quit: - nbs-irc 2.36 - www.nbs-irc.net -] 15:25:59 <Aylomen> station sets I always have all on 15:27:42 <Belugas> damned... CODY is not even on my cell phone 15:27:43 <Belugas> boo!! 15:29:02 <Eddi|zuHause> there are still the intartubes 15:29:17 <extraPrima> ok 15:29:23 <extraPrima> I'll try some 15:30:29 <Aylomen> or just download the openttdcoop grf package and you have the most important ones 15:30:41 <extraPrima> link pls 15:30:49 <Aylomen> öhm... 15:31:02 <Eddi|zuHause> www.gidf.de 15:31:07 <Aylomen> www.openttdcoop.org 15:31:41 <extraPrima> t h x 15:37:12 *** Chris82 [~chatzilla@p579E1CF2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:37:18 <Chris82> good evening guys :) 15:37:38 <Chris82> I just got the latest trunk revision via SVN (r14289) and I have a strange problem with it 15:38:00 <peter1138> It has a green lump on the end of its penis? 15:38:01 <Chris82> when I try to start the game it says "Failed to find a graphics set. Please acquire a graphics set for OpenTTD." 15:38:34 <dih> Chris82: hi 15:38:35 <Belugas> did it worked before? 15:38:39 <dih> long long long long time no see 15:38:59 <yorick> try converting your obg files to windows/linux 15:39:12 <yorick> but svn should have done that... 15:39:16 <Chris82> hehe yep 15:39:31 <Chris82> well it worked with ChrisIN-R2 which is 11xxx something 15:39:43 <Chris82> haven't tried any newer versions except that buggy Russian patch pack and that worked too 15:39:48 <Chris82> but latest trunk doesn't work 15:40:03 <yorick> is it a svn checkout? 15:40:11 <Chris82> yes 15:40:16 <Chris82> what are these .obg files? 15:40:25 <Chris82> I copied the three .grfs from the data dir to my openttd dir 15:40:34 *** sunkan [sunkan@sunkan.bsnet.se] has joined #openttd 15:41:17 <Chris82> lol ok didn't figure I have to copy the .obg files to the openttd/data dir as well :p 15:41:20 <Chris82> now it works :D 15:41:37 <yorick> :-> 15:41:56 *** Tim [~Tim@p5B37D028.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:43:25 <Chris82> just wanted to compile a small patchpack that's multiplayer save because the last ChrisIN doesn't have all the nice features from current trunk :D 15:43:43 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a46ad5.virnxx14.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 15:43:44 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 15:43:53 <yorick> but trunk doesn't have all the nice features from ChrisIN 15:44:21 <Bjarni> however the trunk is somewhat more bugfree 15:44:28 <ln> B! 15:44:37 <Bjarni> or at least known bugs are more likely to be fixed 15:44:38 <yorick> J! 15:44:51 <Chris82> yorick: thus the patchpack 15:45:06 <Chris82> I will just add daylength, distant join stations and stuff I use really frequently 15:45:16 <yorick> cargodest. 15:45:21 <Chris82> I am just coding a new daypatch seems to have gotten much simpler with current trunk 15:45:37 <ln> Bjarni: there's some issue with OS X version crashing, and Rubidium suspected it is because of the locale detection code. his evidence was that Bjarni has messed with the code. 15:45:49 <Bjarni> :s 15:45:55 <ln> (see the logs to confirm that) 15:46:13 <Bjarni> is there a bug report somewhere? 15:47:07 <Chris82> would it be bad to replace "Money GetDisplayRunningCost() const { return (this->GetRunningCost() >> 8); }" in vehicle_base.h line 440 with something along "Money GetDisplayRunningCost() const { return (this->GetRunningCost() >> 8) * _veh_runcost_factor; }" 15:47:19 <Chris82> this way I could adjust the gui with just one line :) 15:47:50 <yorick> try ;) 15:47:51 <Chris82> at least if that does what I think it does *g* 15:47:56 <ln> Bjarni: dunno. and indeed there was no other indication that it would be related to locale detection in any way. 15:52:39 <peter1138> ... 15:52:51 <peter1138> Copy files to run OpenTTD? It all works in-place for me... 15:54:29 <peter1138> Bjarni, the issue was compile-time detection of OS X version... which clearly can't work if a binary is to work on 10.3 up to 10.5... 15:57:50 *** Purno [~Purno@5350931D.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 15:59:42 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fe610.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 16:02:08 <peter1138> MAY NOTHING BUT HAPPINESS COME THROUGH YOUR DOOR 16:02:42 <yorick> hm, my happiness just left, and now nothing else can come in 16:02:45 * yorick feels empty 16:02:57 * SmatZ fills yorick 16:02:59 <peter1138> :o 16:03:06 <peter1138> Get a room for that. 16:03:10 <SmatZ> :) 16:03:11 <Chris82> was there a wiki somewhere what the different patch settings like NC, MS, 0 etc. mean? 16:03:34 <yorick> I can't even leave the room 16:03:47 <yorick> Chris82: yes, there is 16:04:29 <yorick> http://wiki.openttd.org/wiki/index.php/OpenTTDDevBlackBook/Patches/AddPatchOption 16:04:53 <yorick> NC = without thousand separators 16:04:59 <yorick> MS = multi-string 16:05:02 <Chris82> thx 16:05:05 <yorick> NO = network_only 16:05:12 <yorick> CR = currency 16:05:21 <yorick> N = no network sync 16:05:29 <yorick> S = no save or network sync 16:05:42 <yorick> C = don't save in openttd.cfg 16:05:49 <yorick> 0 = default 16:06:09 <peter1138> But we don't have patches any more ;) 16:06:21 <yorick> lets rename the article 16:06:33 <yorick> or page 16:07:14 <peter1138> OH! HOW THE DOGS STACK UP 16:07:24 <yorick> they cant go through my door either 16:07:51 <Eddi|zuHause> let's rename everything back to "patches" :p 16:08:02 <peter1138> Yeah, I was used to patches... 16:08:29 <Chris82> uhm how is it called now if not patch? 16:08:35 <Chris82> Add-On or Plug-In ? 16:08:38 <yorick> advanced setting 16:08:47 <Chris82> ahhh ;) 16:08:48 <Eddi|zuHause> they were never patches at all 16:09:06 <Eddi|zuHause> same as they are not addons or plugins 16:09:22 <Chris82> I think you can call them all that, it's just not a bugfix :D 16:09:38 <yorick> lets name them something nonexistant, a patting or something 16:09:42 <hylje> a pony 16:09:56 <FauxFaux> :D 16:10:09 <yorick> FAUX! 16:10:24 <yorick> or a satch 16:11:18 <yorick> satch is shorther than patch 16:13:29 <SpComb> is http://arwen.fvfischer.de:8000 still the most recent cargo-dest? 16:13:38 <glx> no 16:14:34 <SpComb> http://hg.openttd.org/developers/celestar/cargodest.hg/ 16:14:36 <glx> http://hg.openttd.org/developers/celestar/cargodest.hg/ <-- this one is 16:15:43 <FauxFaux> JINX 16:17:17 <Chris82> uhm how can I "access" patch settings 16:17:22 <Chris82> _patches.foo doesn't work anymore 16:17:35 <Chris82> and EconomySettings.foo doesn't work either 16:18:18 <glx> settings.category.name 16:18:18 <Eddi|zuHause> _setings_game.<type>.<name> 16:18:32 <Chris82> ah ok :) thx 16:18:46 <Eddi|zuHause> or _settings_client 16:19:35 <Bjarni> ln: any idea of when this crashing issue was discussed? 16:20:30 <ln> Bjarni: on monday or something 16:20:58 <Bjarni> and nobody posted a bug report to inform me? 16:21:06 <Bjarni> what a great bunch of guys you all are :P 16:21:33 <Bjarni> it took you 3 days to inform me of a crashing bug that you expect me to fix 16:22:02 <glx> 2 days ago 16:22:18 <glx> [17:55:50] <@Rubidium> LilDood: the best you can do is post a bug report on flyspray that the 0.6.2 release doesn't work on 10.3 and that the nightlies do 16:22:24 <glx> from my logs 16:23:19 <SpComb> Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd 16:23:19 <Bjarni> !logs 16:25:19 <Bjarni> found it 16:26:36 <Rubidium> Bjarni: I'm not going to post bugreports of things I can't reproduce myself as we then still can't tell whether the issue is fixed or not because the reporter is unknown 16:28:09 <peter1138> Well, we informed you now ;) 16:28:20 * welshdragon thought of a nice addition for buses, but is unsure whether it would be any good 16:29:50 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 16:29:50 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:29:52 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 16:31:16 <welshdragon> have a feature that lets you use a destination baord type feature, that appears alongside the name window, and you can set the destinations in the orders window 16:31:39 <Chris82> build_vehicle_gui.cpp line 185 .... cunning should be running I think :) 16:31:46 <welshdragon> and any buses that are going to the depot can display not in service 16:35:39 <Bjarni> I think I will ignore this crash report until I have access to some fully working 10.3 and 10.4 again 16:35:46 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A43482.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:36:13 <Bjarni> either that or some guy who will actually test what I tell him/send him 16:36:24 <Chris82> what was the difference between static and static inline again? 16:37:04 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: I guess it has to do with the name! Poef!] 16:38:02 <Rubidium> not much more than that the latter suggests the compiler to inline the function 16:39:33 <Forked> meep meep 16:42:51 <SpComb> oh noes, cargodest-desyncs :( 16:43:53 <Ammler> SpComb: we have a stable server at #openttdcoop.dev 16:44:03 <SpComb> running what revision? 16:44:05 <Ammler> should be latest version 16:44:09 * Ammler check... 16:44:25 <Ammler> Game version is hc23c4457 16:44:27 <SpComb> this is ac3014e37a77 16:44:31 <Chris82> I am off for today, bye bye 16:44:37 <Ammler> so it isn't :-) 16:45:05 <SpComb> "unknown revision 'hc23c4457'" 16:45:09 <SpComb> where did you pull from? 16:46:04 <blathijs> SpComb: Remove the "h" 16:46:08 <Ammler> SpComb: we running the server with latest nightly build :-) 16:46:36 *** Chris82 [~chatzilla@p579E1CF2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:46:38 <SpComb> right, silly indeed, h is hardly a valid hex char 16:46:39 <Ammler> http://binaries.openttd.org/custom/cargodest/hc23c4457/ 16:47:57 <SpComb> ac3014e37a77 is more recent (Tue Sep 09 07:39:08 2008 +0200) than c23c4457 (Sun Sep 07 18:02:58 2008 +0200) 16:48:04 <blathijs> SpComb: It took me a week or so to draw that conclusions for a kernel revision some time ago (but then with the "g" of git) 16:48:10 *** CIA-1 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has joined #openttd 16:48:44 <SpComb> heh 16:48:53 <SpComb> the tools should complain about those :) 16:49:06 <SpComb> well, I'll try downgrading to c23c4457 16:49:18 <Ammler> the "h" is from openttd :-) 16:49:30 <blathijs> SpComb: It's not just hashes that are valid revisions, of course 16:50:12 <SpComb> is "h...." ever a valid hg revision? 16:50:55 <Ammler> like "r...." 16:51:57 *** Purno [~Purno@5350931D.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:52:13 <Ammler> if you want, we can start a new game at #openttdcoop.dev ... 16:52:14 <planetmaker> back 16:52:21 <FauxFaux> SpComb: One assumes it's hex. 16:52:45 <SpComb> Ammler: I have my own server and my own co-op game with a friend :) 16:52:54 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:53:08 <planetmaker> glx: the log which I created with the empty sample.cat, is it still useful or was some further insight obtained meanwhile? 16:53:08 <Ammler> SpComb: :-( 16:53:14 <Ammler> :-P 16:53:16 <SpComb> const char _openttd_revision[] = "-e hac3014e3"; 16:53:24 <SpComb> lolwut? 16:53:35 <hylje> magic 16:53:36 <glx> weird echo 16:53:44 <glx> fixed in trunk 16:53:44 <blathijs> That would be my fault, though I think SmatZ fixed that 16:54:08 <blathijs> SpComb: Yes, if I create a tag that has the name "h...." 16:54:13 <Ammler> planetmaker: you reported already? 16:54:16 <SpComb> oh, tags are revisions 16:54:23 <blathijs> SpComb: At least that's the case on git, I don't know hg well 16:54:36 <planetmaker> Ammler: I did nothing since getting the log. Had to leave immediately due to RL right then. 16:54:57 <Ammler> log of? 16:55:07 *** Volley [~worf@84-119-43-162.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:55:25 <planetmaker> what openttd -d 9 tells us when desyncing with the "empty" sample.cat on our PS. 16:56:01 <Belugas> i doubt they can tell you anything 16:56:02 <Eddi|zuHause> i hate my wireless mouse cable... 16:56:35 <Ammler> yeah, empty sample cat is silent, so it can't talk anymore :P 16:57:03 <Belugas> hehehe 16:57:09 <Ammler> Eddi|zuHause: batteries and heavy weight 16:57:46 <Eddi|zuHause> batteries i have, but the cable for charging the batteries is broken, it does not charge properly 16:58:22 <Ammler> planetmaker: what does it "tell"? 16:58:51 <planetmaker> Ammler: 3.3 MB plaintext file... 16:58:59 <SpComb> hmm... why does OpenTTD think that this is rev ac3014e3 16:59:10 <Ammler> planetmaker: ok, :-D 16:59:11 <SpComb> tip=ac3014e3, but my working copy is c23c445783d6 16:59:25 <Ammler> SpComb: only first 8 chars 16:59:35 <SpComb> still, different 16:59:40 <Ammler> you might forgot hg up? 16:59:51 <hylje> maybe it doesn't count working copies as the current version 17:00:00 <SpComb> I specifically did `hg up -r c23c4457` 17:00:17 <planetmaker> I correct myself. 32MB. 17:00:27 <Ammler> indeed, you already pulled more :-) 17:03:48 <SpComb> HASH=`LC_ALL=C hg tip 2>/dev/null | head -n 1 | cut -d: -f3 | cut -c1-8` 17:03:50 <SpComb> faaaail 17:03:58 <SpComb> working copy != tip 17:04:44 <blathijs> I just copy pasted that from the Makefile :-) 17:05:02 <blathijs> tip is the tip of the current branch, but you can have another rev checked out? 17:06:23 <SpComb> sure, you can `hg up` yourself to something older than tip 17:06:51 <blathijs> How to find the checked out rev, then? 17:07:37 *** sulai [~Miranda@p5B2B6E59.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:07:59 <SpComb> I suspect it might be the first row of `hg parents` 17:08:03 <SpComb> bah, another desync 17:14:27 <Belugas> how was the desynching sample.cat made ? 17:14:40 <Belugas> was it a simple file no byte? 17:15:40 <Ammler> Belugas: touch sample.cat 17:16:05 <Ammler> but I didn't find a 2. server yet. it only desyncs at coop ps. 17:16:41 <Eddi|zuHause> did coop ever do a ship only game? :p 17:16:47 <Ammler> works also with 0.6.2 17:17:08 *** Aylomen [~a@DSL01.83.171.156.131.ip-pool.NEFkom.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:17:55 <Ammler> might it be possible, there is a newgrf, which does use sample.cat sounds? 17:18:33 <FauxFaux> Eddi|zuHause: Oh, that'd be heart. 17:18:33 <SpComb> hmm... if the version-detection fails like that, would that be a good explanation for the persistent desyncs? 17:18:43 <Belugas> ammler, sorry, i have no idea what yu are talking about -> touch 17:19:21 <Belugas> [13:17] <Ammler> might it be possible, there is a newgrf, which does use sample.cat sounds? <-- yes, absolutely piossible 17:19:21 <Ammler> Belugas: that's how I created the empty sample.cat 17:19:30 <Belugas> grrrrr 17:19:39 <Belugas> DEFINE touch ! 17:20:00 <Ammler> it creates a file with 0 byte size 17:20:08 <Belugas> ok 17:20:12 <Belugas> thanks 17:20:26 <Ammler> sorry, thought, that is a common used tool :-) 17:20:27 <Eddi|zuHause> touch --help 17:20:30 <Eddi|zuHause> [...] 17:20:31 <Eddi|zuHause> Eine DATEI, die nicht existiert, wird leer angelegt. 17:20:51 <Belugas> so it means that right form the start, there is a lot of differences in the internals. the list is not the same 17:21:50 <planetmaker> Belugas: for my test, I created a file the same size as the original, containing spaces and line breaks. 17:21:53 <blathijs> t/win 21 17:21:56 <blathijs> woops 17:22:19 <Belugas> planetmaker, there are verifications of the internal structure of the file upi loading 17:22:35 <planetmaker> yes, OpenTTD rightfully proclaims that it is corrupted. 17:22:44 <Belugas> if it's incompatible or empty, it gives the same result 17:22:45 <Eddi|zuHause> isn't sample.cat a binary file? spaces and linebreaks won't do a lot of good with that 17:23:11 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: but should it change the length of vehicles? In my understanding it contains sound... 17:23:27 <Belugas> bring a decent sample.cat, one with 73 sounds, and you willnot have problems 17:23:33 <Belugas> even if it's not th original one 17:24:13 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 17:24:13 <Belugas> what is the relation with vehicle length??? 17:24:19 <planetmaker> :) Well. I don't know. 17:24:21 <Ammler> that is the error msg. 17:24:34 <planetmaker> you got the image, Ammler^^ 17:24:35 <Belugas> ho... just... saying stufff in thin air.. I see hehhe 17:24:45 <Ammler> http://mz.openttdcoop.org/screens/empty_sample.cat.png 17:25:09 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@62.113.133.253] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:25:10 <Ammler> after that, you will be kicked with desync 17:25:12 <yorick> there is an error in that message 17:25:18 <planetmaker> Also: with broken sound I wouldn't expect a desync. 17:25:49 *** FR^2 [~frquadrat@oscar.frquadrat.de] has quit [Quit: Connection reset by caffein depletion...] 17:25:58 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-3-70-101.manc.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 17:26:00 *** Fantasya [~Fantasya@78.59.192.248] has joined #openttd 17:26:08 <Fantasya> Hi guys :) 17:26:55 <SmatZ> hi guy 17:26:56 <Belugas> Ammler, looks like a general message related to callbacks and all 17:28:20 <Ammler> I could imagine, a newgrf likes to use a sound sample and you get that because there is no real sample.cat. 17:28:44 <planetmaker> hm, yeah. Maybe. 17:29:14 <Belugas> has anyone tried to search where that message comes from? 17:29:17 <Ammler> we could now grep our newgrfs for that sound actions 17:29:18 <planetmaker> Background was to test whether we could do without sound, so that - given OpenGFX - there could be a completely free OpenTTD :) 17:29:28 <planetmaker> Belugas: I have a 32MB log file... 17:29:41 <planetmaker> ... but to me it plainly tells nothing. 17:29:52 <Belugas> and i have a one line grep result telling me the same :P 17:30:01 <planetmaker> sync ? 17:30:08 <planetmaker> :P 17:30:30 <Ammler> Belugas: fixeable? 17:30:33 <planetmaker> If it's helpful, I can try to upload it somewhere or extract some parts. 17:30:49 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@g227070212.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 17:30:49 *** Zahl [~Zahl@e179054162.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:30:49 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 17:30:51 <Belugas> Ammler, of course: get the right file :P 17:30:58 <planetmaker> :) 17:31:43 <Belugas> void CheckTrainsLengths() <-- this is where the problem triggers the message 17:31:52 <Belugas> it smells like a callback has failed, 17:32:01 <Belugas> making the lenght of the train wrong 17:32:15 <Belugas> the acvllback failed maybe because of the absence of the proper sound 17:33:11 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@62.113.133.253] has joined #openttd 17:33:33 <Ammler> we use UKRS there, smells like another NewGRF "forced" bug of ??? :-) 17:33:51 <Belugas> there is no bug if yuo are using the proper file 17:34:03 <Ammler> missfeature? 17:34:07 <Belugas> it sounds like own inflected one 17:34:12 <Eddi|zuHause> Ammler: UKRS has newsounds, if the original sounds are missing, the newsounds get at the wrong place, and everything gets confused 17:34:16 <Belugas> not missfeature 17:34:26 <Belugas> FUCKING THE SYSTEM! 17:34:36 <Ammler> :-P 17:35:09 <planetmaker> :D 17:35:25 <planetmaker> a fuck a day keeps the madness away :P 17:35:30 <Ammler> maybe it is possible, grf coder can detect that and if no sample.cat available disable newsounds? 17:35:40 <Belugas> lol 17:35:52 <peter1138> I don't see why a callback result would be dependent on sounds... 17:36:18 <Belugas> that is what i try to find, right now 17:36:42 <Eddi|zuHause> i have no idea either... 17:38:44 <peter1138> Clearly it is to spite Ammler :D 17:39:17 <Ammler> indeed. 17:39:34 <Fantasya> where can I get yorick's patch? 17:39:41 <yorick> not here 17:40:32 <Eddi|zuHause> where can i find out my current DNS settings? 17:40:37 <peter1138> cat /etc/resolv.conf 17:40:43 <Belugas> Fantasya, why? are you suicidal?? 17:41:02 <Fantasya> ? 17:41:13 <Fantasya> why? 17:41:17 <Belugas> Ammler, have you been able to isolate the grf that causes it? 17:41:32 <Belugas> Fantasya, i would not trust his patches at all ;) 17:41:38 <Ammler> shall I try with UKRS? 17:41:47 <Ammler> I joined around 10 servers 17:41:48 <peter1138> Try without, then try with. 17:41:58 <Ammler> every server was ok, just ps faild 17:42:02 <Ammler> and we have UKRS there 17:44:08 <Bjarni> <Chris82> what was the difference between static and static inline again? <-- static will be inlined if only one call is made but it's more likely to be a function if it's called a lot. If inline is used then it will be inline except if it's not possible (like recursive calls) 17:44:15 *** Sacro_ [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 17:44:43 <Bjarni> generally using inline will make the code a bit bigger but also a bit faster at execution time 17:45:30 <Belugas> ps? 17:45:40 <planetmaker> PublicServer 17:45:54 <peter1138> Belugas, everyone is supposed to know the OpenTTDCoop abbreviations... ;) 17:46:03 <planetmaker> :P 17:46:12 <Belugas> indeed... where was my head :S 17:46:21 <Bjarni> somewhere far away 17:46:24 <Eddi|zuHause> i have it 17:46:25 <Bjarni> like Canada :p 17:46:26 <glx> like my script is supposed to know all OpenTTDCoop commands ;) 17:46:38 <Eddi|zuHause> it's a nice trophy on my whale chamber 17:47:04 <Belugas> heheh 17:47:04 <planetmaker> glx: so it's your doing to kick people, asking for password? :) 17:47:21 <planetmaker> Honestly, it's a nice function :) 17:47:25 <Eddi|zuHause> no, DorpsGek kicks 17:47:25 <glx> planetmaker: you didn't know? 17:47:27 <guru3> would be be a bad idea to strcpy from bits of the same string? 17:47:37 <guru3> ie strcpy(string + 1, string) 17:47:41 <guru3> it does seem to segfault :/ 17:47:54 <SmatZ> guru3: use memmove 17:47:57 <planetmaker> glx: I know - I "tested" it before :P . But I knew not who made it :) 17:48:23 <glx> it's a simple script in my client 17:48:25 <Bjarni> ok, I'm out of here 17:48:26 <guru3> SmatZ: thanks, i'll try that 17:48:39 <SmatZ> The strings may not overlap, 17:48:40 <SmatZ> and the destination string dest must be large enough to receive the copy. 17:48:41 <peter1138> You can type !password as often as you like when glx is not here. 17:48:50 <SmatZ> from man strcpy 17:48:51 <planetmaker> :) 17:48:55 <Bjarni> !passport 17:48:58 <SmatZ> :) 17:49:04 <planetmaker> !beer 17:49:09 <glx> Bjarni: it's a "smart" script 17:49:11 <guru3> *whistles* i might not have read the entire man page... 17:49:13 * SmatZ beers planetmaker 17:49:15 <Ammler> Belugas: approved desynced with UKRS only 17:49:23 <planetmaker> :P 17:49:31 <Bjarni> glx: it kicked me once by mistake >_< 17:49:38 <guru3> well holy moly 17:49:40 <guru3> that seems to have worled 17:49:45 <SmatZ> :-) 17:49:55 <glx> the first version did yes 17:49:57 * planetmaker drinks 17:49:59 <SmatZ> :) 17:50:06 <guru3> thanks SmatZ 17:50:12 <SmatZ> you are welcome guru3 17:50:12 <guru3> i now have a 170 character line :D 17:50:54 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:52:02 <Ammler> Belugas: it doesn't load UKRS at all, it seems 17:53:47 *** Purno [~Purno@5350931D.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 17:54:38 <Ammler> http://mz.openttdcoop.org/screens/empty_sample.cat1.png 17:54:49 * Fantasya np: MDB - BEAUTIFUL VOICES 028 (SOLARSTONE SPECIAL EDITION) [79:04m/256kbps/44kHz] 17:55:19 * yorick waits for ln to say "turn that of" 17:55:28 <Belugas> Ammler: good, so you now have something to chew :) 17:55:37 * peter1138 np: Stereolab - Miss Modular 17:55:46 <ln> yorick: i would never say "turn that of", because it should be "off" 17:55:57 <yorick> off* 17:55:59 <Belugas> it may be OR your server, OR your UKRS 17:56:02 <Fantasya> amip? 17:56:03 <peter1138> Belugas, a patch from Ammler? 17:56:03 <Fantasya> :D 17:56:11 <Belugas> ho no... not at all 17:56:22 <peter1138> Oh, then he needs to not use an empty sample.cat. 17:56:22 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 17:56:22 <Ammler> gimme commit rights :P 17:56:27 <Belugas> indeed 17:56:36 <Belugas> ARE YOU KIDDING Ammler>???? 17:57:09 <ln> Belugas: do unitedstatesians need a passport for entering Canada? 17:57:35 <Ammler> Belugas: seriously, you think it's not up to ottd? 17:57:43 <guru3> how do you know if they're from the us unless they have a passport? 17:57:46 <Ammler> shall I report it at UKRS thread then? 17:57:55 <peter1138> Ammler, no. It's because your sample.cat is empty. 17:58:03 <peter1138> You ought to have figured that one out. 17:58:16 <peter1138> guru3, they'll be the only people without a passport... 17:58:23 <guru3> lol 17:58:42 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 17:58:56 <Belugas> Ammler, OpenTTD is assuming you have a valid sample.cat 17:59:13 <ln> guru3: well it's not unheard of that one doesn't need a passport to enter another country. 17:59:24 <Belugas> if ever OpenTTD decides that it does not need sample.cat, it will behave correctly 17:59:31 <ln> guru3: especially you should know that 17:59:41 <Belugas> you are raising issues that are totally invalid 18:00:24 <guru3> true, but it's not exactly 'best practice' in most countries either 18:00:36 <Ammler> Belugas: well, I don't like to tell people where the "illegal" download locations are... 18:00:49 <guru3> i remember the time we nearly drove into russia... 18:00:55 <Belugas> now...thank you very much, Ammler, you just ruined the time i allowed myaself to do some ottd coding for Phantasm's bug 18:01:17 <Belugas> Ammler, just DON'T tell them, just make them SEARCH 18:01:32 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:01:37 <peter1138> It is an incredibly hard search... 18:01:38 <Belugas> baby feeding seems to be the commun way of doing nowaday :( 18:02:09 <ln> Belugas: 20:57 < ln> Belugas: do unitedstatesians need a passport for entering Canada? 18:02:43 <Ammler> I would also like to ofter a legal solution to join us... 18:02:47 <guru3> peter1138: no it's not... i just got it in under a minute 18:03:14 <peter1138> Sarcasm detectors failing :D 18:03:22 <guru3> yes 18:03:24 <guru3> yes 18:03:34 <guru3> your voice does not lend itself to sarcasm 18:03:41 <Belugas> Ammler, do as you wish 18:03:44 <Ammler> Belugas: also for dedicated server, it would be cool, if it could handle it. 18:03:56 <Belugas> but your efforts might be better spent by making a replacement... 18:04:07 <Belugas> well why don't you do it? 18:04:48 <Belugas> do you know how many things wold be cool? plenty 18:05:01 <planetmaker> :) 18:05:01 <guru3> ifndef is an anagram of define 18:05:03 <guru3> :o 18:05:08 <guru3> well 18:05:09 <guru3> almost 18:05:10 <Ammler> I start my games with -snull, so a silent option wouldn't hurt :P 18:05:23 <Ammler> I know, I am not the only one, never listen to sounds... 18:06:03 *** rortom [~rortom@p57B7C5EA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:07:12 *** hackeem [~user@201.23.200.247] has joined #openttd 18:07:40 *** hackeem [~user@201.23.200.247] has quit [autokilled: Do not spam other people. 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(2008-09-11 18:07:40)] 18:08:06 *** lobstar is now known as lobster 18:23:49 <Ammler> orudes sound replacment project seems stocked... 18:24:22 <Ammler> and it needs a patch :-/ 18:27:13 <Belugas> seems like you will have to do it on your own 18:28:08 <Ammler> or you think about supporting empty sample.cat :-) 18:28:20 <Ammler> as you mostly do already. 18:32:57 <Belugas> why in the name of WHOMEVER should i get myslef in that kind of fucking boring one-more-time-job??? 18:33:21 <Belugas> just for Thou, my Laziness King??? 18:34:01 <welshdragon> Belugas, that was well said ;) 18:34:35 <Ammler> omg, you are really a poor guy. 18:34:44 <TrueBrain> pompiedom 18:34:59 <Rubidium> tralala 18:35:15 <peter1138> Why would be bother supporting an empty sample.cat? 18:35:47 <TrueBrain> peter1138: a long outstanding question ;) 18:35:54 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 18:38:28 <Belugas> tsouin tsouin 18:39:24 <Eddi|zuHause> for servers that do not have sounds anyway? 18:39:33 <Belugas> Ammler, the equation is so simple : OR YOU work OR I work. Do I care about empty sample.cat? Not at all. Do YOU? yes you do. so move your butt and try to be helpfull. 18:39:53 <Belugas> and i do not consider myself poor at all. 18:40:19 * peter1138 ponders tinkling the ivories. 18:43:56 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 18:47:55 <Swallow> peter1138: Regarding your comment on the improved breakdowns patch (to calculate power/speed only when it changes)... 18:48:09 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:48:25 <Swallow> You'd prefer to save the value in v->u.rail.cached_power/max_speed? 18:49:37 *** mortal`` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 18:49:54 <Eddi|zuHause> that sounds reasonable 18:50:55 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 18:51:01 *** CIA-1 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:51:30 <Swallow> consequence would be that the max speed displayed in the gui is changed as well 18:52:15 <peter1138> Hmm 18:52:39 *** Sacro_ [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:52:51 <peter1138> Well maybe not then :p 18:53:09 <peter1138> i just wonder about performance if there are lot of broken down vehicles... hehe 18:54:06 <Swallow> if that is the problem... fix your trains :) 18:55:20 <Swallow> Well, I don't really mind whether it's cached or not 18:55:23 <peter1138> I don't think that answer will hold :) 18:55:30 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@user-54470bf2.wfd82a.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:55:42 <peter1138> Certainly the GUI max speed point is relevant. 18:56:47 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:57:41 <Swallow> I'm not sure if there are any other things, besides GUI, that depend on it... 18:57:49 *** Sacro_ [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 18:59:03 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B82CD8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:59:26 <Swallow> looking at the code, there's also a reference to cached_max_speed in economy.cpp for calculating station rating 19:00:58 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B8386D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 19:00:59 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 19:01:29 <Swallow> peter1138: Did you have any other remarks, besides caching/not caching? 19:01:43 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:01:44 <peter1138> Yeah, cached_max_speed needs to have the real max speed :o 19:01:51 <peter1138> Swallow, can't actually remember, heh... 19:02:05 <peter1138> Also, is it me, or does zoom in/out not zoom at the mouse pointer? 19:03:07 *** Czeko [~Czeko@189.157.122.118] has joined #openttd 19:03:11 <Swallow> it zooms at the centre of the screen AFAIK 19:03:17 <eekee> I think scroll-wheel zoom zooms at the pointer. 19:03:28 <eekee> (in fact I'm fairly sure it does) 19:03:47 <eekee> I guess keyboard zoom replicates the buttons, which zoom center 19:03:49 <peter1138> It doesn't for me :o 19:03:54 <eekee> wierd 19:10:06 <guru3> anyone any good with sdl/opengl programming? 19:10:31 <FauxFaux> Retarded question 1010. 19:11:12 <guru3> now that we know who's not, anyone else? 19:11:56 <FauxFaux> Okay, I'll play. I'm good at OpenGL, imho. What's your real question? 19:12:24 <guru3> when i switch between full screen and windows my textures stop rendering correctly, they become white blocks 19:13:05 <guru3> if i reload them, it comes out looking like there are two on top of each other 19:14:28 <guru3> (and the transparency goes away) 19:14:55 <TrueBrain> Ammler: you finished with the Features update? 19:16:26 <Ammler> TrueBrain: http://wiki.openttd.org/wiki/index.php/Website/About <-- maybe someone else likes to read it over? 19:16:33 <TrueBrain> going once? 19:17:18 <peter1138> IIRC with some cards you basically need to reinitialize the whole thing when switching from windowed to fullscreen. But I'm probably wrong. 19:17:53 <frosch123> * window mode with double zoom (CTRL+D to toggle) (MS Windows only) <- no longer true, is it? 19:18:06 <TrueBrain> frosch123: correct 19:18:10 <TrueBrain> please remove it from the wiki 19:18:42 <Eddi|zuHause> i really liked that feature ;) 19:18:56 <TrueBrain> sure you did 19:19:01 <TrueBrain> didn't expect you to do anything else :p 19:19:56 <Eddi|zuHause> i find this distinct lack of CIA disturbing 19:20:55 <Belugas> Eddi|zuHause, #openttd.notice does the same job :) 19:21:01 <Belugas> plus, it's more reliable ;) 19:21:11 <frosch123> TrueBrain: done :) 19:21:20 <TrueBrain> tnx 19:21:48 <Eddi|zuHause> @openttd commit 19:21:48 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: Commit by frosch :: r14291 trunk/src/tunnelbridge_cmd.cpp (2008-09-11 19:12:31 UTC) 19:21:49 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: -Fix [FS#2288] (r12853): For tunnels DrawCatenary() draws only pillars; DrawCatenaryOnTunnel() draws only wires. 19:28:14 <yorick> @openttd bugs 19:28:14 <DorpsGek> yorick: Temporary Offline 19:28:36 <yorick> stupid flyspray lacking xmlrpc 19:29:43 <Ammler> we have 40 languages? 19:29:56 <yorick> 39, last time I checked 19:29:58 <TrueBrain> tnx Ammler for your work 19:30:13 <Ammler> dih helped me a little 19:31:55 <Ammler> hmm, now I see, what I wanted to add 19:32:05 <Ammler> links to related wiki pages... 19:42:44 *** KritiK [~Maxim@93-80-102-48.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 19:45:18 *** yorick is now known as Guest6454 19:45:19 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 19:47:54 *** Purno [~Purno@5350931D.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:48:33 *** Guest6454 [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:53:07 <Czeko> hello 19:53:12 <Czeko> i have a question 19:53:52 <Czeko> how can i make a city name list to openttd? 19:54:19 <Noldo> it's behind one of the buttons 19:55:03 <Ammler> Czeko: with newgrf 19:55:34 <Ammler> ActionF, if I remember correctly... 19:55:51 * Belugas is impressed :D 19:55:52 <Czeko> is there any tutorial for that? i just want to make a Mexican cities list 19:55:58 <Ammler> :-P 19:56:10 <Belugas> i am , trule! 19:56:37 <Ammler> Czeko: how many names? 19:56:44 <Ammler> real names? 19:57:04 *** Aylomen [~a@DSL01.83.171.174.188.ip-pool.NEFkom.net] has joined #openttd 19:57:12 <Czeko> yup, for all the states and the main cities. 19:57:20 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g227070212.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: (~_~]"] 19:57:41 <Belugas> states will be pointless, unless yuouwant to have cities barien statesnames ... 19:57:46 <Belugas> baring 19:58:20 <Ammler> you could use them as filter, like canada town set. 19:59:10 <Ammler> Czeko: fast howto: make a list like http://svn.openttdcoop.org/grfdev/frenchtowns/french-cities.txt 20:00:09 <Czeko> awesome, do i have to change the numbers too? 20:00:18 <Czeko> do they represent something? 20:00:23 <Ammler> Czeko: that is not all :-) 20:00:44 <Czeko> no, but a simple enough first step :-) 20:01:01 <Eddi|zuHause> the file is not utf-8 :( 20:01:07 <Ammler> http://svn.openttdcoop.org/grfdev/frenchtowns/ 20:01:10 <Czeko> so ill just change the names then 20:01:17 <Ammler> Eddi|zuHause: afaik, nfo can't be utf-8 20:01:53 <Eddi|zuHause> iirc i read somewhere that utf-8 strings need a certain prefix 20:02:09 <Ammler> Eddi|zuHause: yes 20:02:37 <Ammler> well, I used iso-8859-1 20:03:12 <Ammler> hmm, dunno, maybe grfcodec is able to convert? 20:03:33 <Eddi|zuHause> grfcodec does not need to convert anything 20:03:42 <Eddi|zuHause> it reads bytes, not characters 20:03:50 <Ammler> nah 20:04:12 <Ammler> it reads chars between double quotes 20:04:38 <Eddi|zuHause> it can't because it has no idea of input encoding 20:04:43 <Ammler> well, I did it that way, worked for me... 20:05:37 <Belugas> maybe time to make it better? 20:06:06 <Ammler> better like as utf-8? 20:06:15 * Belugas nods 20:07:57 <peter1138> You need to prefix the string with a thorn to use UTF-8 20:07:59 <peter1138> ß 20:08:04 <peter1138> Or something like that. 20:08:42 <Noldo> how is that thorn encoded? 20:10:01 <peter1138> Well that's the question ;) 20:11:25 <Ammler> http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=StringCodes#UTF-8%20support 20:11:39 <Ammler> iso-8859-1 20:11:40 <glx> http://devs.openttd.org/~glx/townname/ 20:11:52 <glx> those use utf8 strings 20:12:22 <Ammler> but the nfo is 8859-1 encoded, isn't? 20:13:02 <Belugas> there is a scetion called UTF-8 Support in that page ;) 20:14:49 <DaleStan> How is that thorn encoded? <-- In UTF-8, just like the rest of the string it flags. 20:15:47 <DaleStan> Strings in NFO are encoded in NFO encoding. Some combination of Latin-1, Latin-15, and UTF-8. 20:16:08 <Eddi|zuHause> Ammler: ãªãŒã¹ããªã¢ does not look like 8859-1 20:16:27 <Ammler> :-) 20:16:44 <Eddi|zuHause> Ammler: like i said, grfcodec cannot know any encoding, it just parses bytes 20:17:06 <Ammler> but you need to save it right way 20:17:15 <Ammler> to write "right" bytes 20:17:34 <Eddi|zuHause> any sane editor lets you specify the encoding 20:18:02 <Ammler> hmm, why didn't it work here, as I saved it as utf-8 20:18:27 <Ammler> (default) 20:18:36 <DaleStan> Did you prefix all strings containing high-ascii characters with a thorn? (U+00DE) 20:19:23 <Ammler> I even didn't use any "high-ascii" chars 20:19:32 <DaleStan> Actually, that's "characters beyond U+007F". 20:19:38 <Ammler> german Umlauts aren't? 20:19:44 <DaleStan> Yes, they are. 20:20:12 <eekee> Plain ascii is strictly US-centric 20:20:24 <eekee> ($ but no £, for instance) 20:20:37 <FauxFaux> No ¬ either, majorly insufficient. 20:21:04 <DaleStan> Low ASCII contains no accents, and only the following symbols: ~!@#$%^&*()_+`-={}|[]\:";'<>?,./ 20:21:43 <Ammler> that contains german and french "Umlauts": http://svn.openttdcoop.org/grfdev/swisstowns/sprites/swisstowns.nfo 20:22:14 <Ammler> didn't use that prefix 20:22:43 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0.1/2008070208]] 20:23:52 <DaleStan> That's because it's encoded in Latin-TTD (Approximately Latin-15, IIRC), which does contain umlauts. 20:25:18 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A43482.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 20:25:48 <Ammler> so if I like to support UTF-8, I would need to prefix every "strange" name and save as UTF-8? 20:27:08 <DaleStan> That, or you write your own editor that automatically does the right thing with all strings. 20:28:38 *** mortal`` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: [FATAL] Client error: Memory leak - More RAM needed. 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More!] 20:28:42 <Ammler> then I see my fault, I did only prefix non iso-8859-1 chars. 20:29:00 <Eddi|zuHause> prefix the strings, not the characters 20:29:17 <Ammler> yeah, of course, I prefixed only the strings with those chars. 20:29:28 <Eddi|zuHause> that should suffice 20:29:31 <Ammler> in that case language names. 20:29:55 <Eddi|zuHause> like this: 39 C3 9E "ãªãŒã¹ããªã¢ (grf)" 00 20:29:59 <Ammler> that's why it has now not all languages defined :-) 20:31:16 <Ammler> that was huge work to copy all languages from src/lang and then as I saved, the whole nfo was screwend ;-) 20:32:02 <Eddi|zuHause> well, you can byte-encode the strings first 20:32:09 <Eddi|zuHause> then you don't need to worry 20:34:18 <Ammler> low ascii is 7bit? 20:34:27 <Eddi|zuHause> yes 20:34:36 <Eddi|zuHause> 32 to 127 20:35:00 <Ammler> and the high ascii depense on the codepage? 20:35:10 <Eddi|zuHause> yes 20:35:23 <Ammler> thanks, should get it now :-) 20:36:07 <Eddi|zuHause> <32 are usually not displayable control characters (beep, line feed, etc.) 20:36:44 <peter1138> 'codepage' being a DOSism... 20:36:57 <Ammler> it wouldn't hurt if I prefix all strings 20:37:18 <glx> doesn't matter as ASCII is part of UTF8 ;) 20:38:30 <Ammler> will the resulting GRF be bigger? 20:38:47 <peter1138> Yes. 20:40:14 *** sulai [~Miranda@p5B2B6E59.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:41:19 *** sulai [~Miranda@p5B2B51C7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:42:31 *** Pikka [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has joined #openttd 20:44:34 <Eddi|zuHause> two bytes per string bigger ;) 20:46:25 <Ammler> 2bytes per char, isn't 20:46:38 <Ammler> *it" 20:46:43 <peter1138> No, per string. 20:46:49 * yorick encourages devs to review newly submitted patch for FS#2241 20:46:51 <Eddi|zuHause> no, the characters are not changed 20:46:52 <peter1138> You don't prefix every character... 20:47:01 <Eddi|zuHause> only the prefix needs additinal storage 20:47:09 <Eddi|zuHause> and that prefix is two bytes long 20:47:40 <Ammler> but..., it needs 2byte per char for utf-8,:-( 20:47:41 <Eddi|zuHause> grfcodec does absolutely not care what encoding the strings are in, it copies the bytes verbatim into the grf 20:47:51 <peter1138> Ammler, no it doesn't. 20:48:03 <Ammler> now, I am lost again... 20:48:09 <Eddi|zuHause> no, only "high" characters are 2 or more bytes 20:48:17 <Eddi|zuHause> ascii characters are 1 byte 20:48:37 * Pikka wonders if you can copy bytes "verbatim" ;) 20:48:57 <Eddi|zuHause> the highest bit in the character is used to indicate "this is a multi-byte character" 20:49:28 <Ammler> ok, now, I see again :-) 20:49:48 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fe610.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:50:11 <Eddi|zuHause> i think a character can be up to seven bytes 20:50:25 <peter1138> 4 is the maximum, IIRC. 20:50:28 <DaleStan> <Ammler> it wouldn't hurt if I prefix all strings <-- Well, prefixing strings that contain the control characters 7D..7F without properly changing them to E07D..E07F them will cause things to go badly. 20:50:43 *** FauxFaux [~faux@compsoc.sunion.warwick.ac.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:51:10 <DaleStan> 4 is the maximum for Unicode. 7 is the maximum for UTF-8. (7FFFFFFFh, IIRC) 20:51:28 <peter1138> Wrong. 20:51:40 <peter1138> RFC 3629 limits the range to 10FFFFh. 20:51:57 <DaleStan> Range for UTF-8? or range for Unicode characters? 20:52:08 <peter1138> Range for Unicode, I believe. 20:52:35 <peter1138> Hmm, possibly UTF-8. 20:52:46 <peter1138> It's limited to 4 bytes, anyway. 20:52:55 <DaleStan> I know that Unicode is limited to a much smaller range than UTF-8 can technically encode. 20:53:08 *** Spoons [~faux@compsoc.sunion.warwick.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 20:55:45 <DaleStan> But "technically possible" does not mean "valid"; "FE 80 80 80 80 80 80" would (I hope) decode to 0, except that the UTF-8 RFC disallows encodings that are not minimum-length. 20:56:12 <peter1138> FE was never valid. 20:56:34 <peter1138> UTF-8 allowed up to 6 bytes originally, before it was limited to 4. 20:56:45 <peter1138> (Indeed, my original UTF-8 stuff for OpenTTD allowed 6 bytes) 20:56:57 <DaleStan> Oh. Then FC and drop an 80. 20:57:14 <peter1138> It would decode to an error ;) 20:57:19 <peter1138> As you said. 20:57:31 <dih> there are no Spoons ! 20:57:40 <Spoons> Lies! 20:57:47 <Spoons> ð¹ 20:57:52 *** Spoons is now known as FauxFaux 20:58:13 *** Aylomen [~a@DSL01.83.171.174.188.ip-pool.NEFkom.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:59:55 <peter1138> See? 21:01:22 *** Fantasya [~Fantasya@78.59.192.248] has quit [] 21:02:04 *** sulai [~Miranda@p5B2B51C7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 21:08:42 <Belugas> night all 21:12:32 <dih> the wording PBS signal in the english lang file is odd 21:12:36 <dih> it's a souble signal 21:12:43 <dih> Path Based Signal signal 21:14:10 <blathijs> actually, it's Path Based Signalling signal 21:14:17 <blathijs> which i slightly less weird :-) 21:15:01 <dih> still double signals 21:15:06 <dih> ugly :-P 21:16:33 <nckomodo> Public Broadcasting Station signal 21:38:11 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: Poef!] 21:41:29 <Czeko> im back, i have the list of some mexican cities (about 90)... now what? 21:42:32 <Ammler> so you just like to make a example? 21:42:50 <Ammler> because 90 is not that much for 4k² map 21:43:19 <dih> Ammler: there are no 4k^2 maps 21:43:28 <Ammler> psst 21:43:29 <dih> at least not in standard shipped OpenTTD 21:43:40 <Czeko> hahaha 21:43:56 <Czeko> should i write more before proceeding? 21:43:57 <dih> but 90 is still not enough for 2K^2 map 21:44:07 <Czeko> how many should i write? 21:44:10 <Czeko> 200? 21:44:19 <Ammler> that is ok 21:44:21 <dih> Czeko, why dont you start a game with that map size? 21:44:34 <dih> set number of towns to the max value 21:44:36 <Czeko> and count the number of cities 21:44:43 <dih> set number of industries to minimum value (none) 21:44:51 <dih> then open the towns directory 21:44:57 <dih> and it will tell you how many there are 21:45:11 <Ammler> my swisstowns has around 2k possibilites 21:45:20 <Czeko> ok :-) 21:45:21 <Ammler> and frenchtown around 400 21:45:26 <Czeko> damn 21:45:44 <Ammler> but you should be able to start with around 200 21:48:05 <dih> small games 21:48:26 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:49:03 <Ammler> and coding is easier if you have not more then 255 names 21:51:28 *** Kasceh [~Kasc@cpc2-leed7-0-0-cust124.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 21:51:46 <Kasceh> is there any date on openttd 7.0 ? 21:51:57 <FauxFaux> Whyh? 21:52:14 <Kasceh> I want PBS when i play multiplayer 21:54:56 *** Zeal [~Ping@78-69-54-150-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 21:54:59 <planetmaker> Kasceh: join a nightly server. E.g. the openttd fairplay nightly by dih 21:56:12 <Kasceh> planetmaker, i like to do different game modes :P im not exactly desperate for 7, just wanted to know if anyone had a date on its release :P 21:56:42 <Rubidium> OpenTTD 7.0 is likely to be released somewhere far into one of the next decades or centuries 21:57:02 <planetmaker> :P 21:57:02 <dih> nice one Rubidium 21:57:05 <dih> hihi 21:59:14 <Kasceh> =[ 21:59:43 <planetmaker> Kasceh: you know the current stable version number? 21:59:53 *** Zealotus [~Ping@78-69-54-150-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:00:02 <dih> Kasceh, what is wrong with my nightly server? 22:00:03 <Kasceh> im on 6.2 idk if its the current 22:00:13 <Kasceh> nothing? 22:00:17 <planetmaker> read again. 22:00:44 <Kasceh> Ill probably see the same people, which is more like a group than a server :/ 22:00:47 <planetmaker> or read the website. 22:01:08 * Rubidium ponders installing Windows NT 2600 22:01:17 <Kasceh> The latest stable version is 0.6.2, released on August 1st 2008. 22:01:25 <Kasceh> oh 22:01:28 <planetmaker> :D 22:01:32 <Kasceh> 0.7.0 then ;] 22:02:21 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 22:02:35 * Rubidium summons MrMist to extrapolate the previous releases and give us a release date 22:04:46 <SmatZ> hehe 22:05:28 * Rubidium ponders making releasing next major stable release before a Christmas 22:06:28 <SmatZ> Christmass 2011? 22:07:19 <peter1138> London Olympic 2012 Release 22:07:36 <Rubidium> yeah, during the tt-forums meet :) 22:08:23 <dih> Kasceh, you can invite as many people to that server as you like 22:08:31 <peter1138> Let's try to beat TTDPatch's record for time between releases. 22:08:36 <peter1138> (stable releases) 22:08:39 <dih> it upgrades every day at 20.15 CEST 22:08:49 <dih> and save games are done every hour and available for download 22:09:32 <peter1138> nini 22:09:37 <dih> night peter 22:10:09 <SmatZ> nn 22:12:22 *** Sacro_ [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:12:36 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:32:33 *** blathijs [~matthijs@drsnuggles.stderr.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:34:43 *** CIA-2 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has joined #openttd 22:38:19 *** Yeggstry [~mind@cpc1-rdng14-0-0-cust946.winn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:40:43 *** extraPrima [~extraPrim@p57B21767.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [] 22:43:29 *** Volley [~worf@84-119-43-162.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #openttd 22:52:59 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:55:25 *** welshdragon [~vista@host81-157-252-208.range81-157.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:02:31 *** Nite_Owl [~chatzilla@c-75-74-51-51.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 23:07:53 <TrueBrain> sjoep sjoep 23:11:51 <TrueBrain> you people go to bed too early 23:12:17 <glx> I don't :) 23:12:21 <Nite_Owl> Depends on the time zone 23:12:22 <TrueBrain> that is very true 23:14:13 *** Czeko [~Czeko@189.157.122.118] has quit [Quit: Czeko] 23:14:32 <TrueBrain> so I can just safely say this channel is boring ;) 23:14:34 <TrueBrain> fine by me too :) 23:36:41 <Kasceh> would be awesome if i could only see servers with breakdowns set to off :/ 23:37:19 <Pikka> breakdowns > you 23:38:57 <ln> gooooood eveniiiiinggg 23:38:59 <Kasceh> They are annoying without PBS 23:39:00 <Kasceh> hi 23:40:14 <Pikka> I say I say I say 23:40:31 <Pikka> does anyone know how town var 41 B Town index is handled in ottd? 23:43:38 <glx> case 0x41: return t->index; 23:44:18 *** Nite_Owl [~chatzilla@c-75-74-51-51.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 2.0.0.16/2008070205]] 23:45:08 *** welshdragon [~vista@host81-157-252-208.range81-157.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 23:45:09 *** nekx [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:45:13 <glx> and it's an uint16 23:45:18 <Pikka> goodo 23:45:22 <Pikka> thanks 23:46:33 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-111-36.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [Quit: Release the hounds] 23:48:31 <glx> hmm maybe I should "fix" the wiki for OpenTTD (it's a word, not a byte) 23:49:03 <FauxFaux> Double-octet. ¬_¬ 23:51:37 * Pikka is only using the bottom nibble, so I don't care ;) 23:52:09 <glx> and I think we can have more than 69 towns 23:52:15 <glx> *70 23:52:45 <Pikka> yes... 23:55:18 *** elmex [~elmex@e180068033.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:56:19 <Kasceh> Jesus christ 23:56:27 <Kasceh> some people.. 23:56:38 <Kasceh> Going out of their way to spoil everyone's work 23:56:49 <Kasceh> Such as blocking off my sea oil supply 23:58:43 *** nicfer [~Administr@168.226.105.2] has joined #openttd 23:59:21 <Belugas> Pikka : var 47 for house zy position, in http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=VarAction2Houses ? 23:59:24 <Belugas> would be good enough? 23:59:33 <Phantasm> Ãrr. 23:59:35 <Belugas> xy, not zy