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00:00:26 <SpComb> Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd 00:00:26 <welshdragon> !logs 00:02:13 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-111-36.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [Quit: Zzz] 00:03:06 <TrueBrain> [01:20] <SmatZ> OTTD players enjoy playing singleplayer... (comparing number of OTTD downloads -over 100 000- / number of online players -over 100-) <- your compare is a bit .. off :) 00:03:22 <TrueBrain> those 100,000 downloads are over a long period of time .. those 100 players are CONSTANT players 00:03:52 <TrueBrain> which I hope are not the same players all the time ... ;) 00:04:14 <TrueBrain> but still .. I estimate about 10% of the users play MP :) (which is not a lot ;)) 00:04:50 * welshdragon enjoys multiolayer 00:05:05 <welshdragon> i get shown my mistakes 00:06:43 *** KritiK [~Maxim@93-80-83-166.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:11:47 *** grumbel [~grumbel@i577BB194.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Client exiting] 00:21:27 *** rortom [~rortom@p57B7EA8D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:27:39 *** roboboy [3aad2910@67.207.141.120] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 00:32:49 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B74904.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 00:33:12 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B769AB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:47:29 *** elmex [~elmex@e180066008.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:52:10 *** NullAshton [~Ashton@c-76-114-122-45.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 00:52:12 <NullAshton> Wassup. 00:53:10 <DaleStan> TrueBrain: nightly.ttdpatch.net is answering requests on port 80 with a RST/ACK. 00:54:25 *** welshdragon [~vista@host86-136-167-250.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has left #openttd [bedtime] 00:59:07 *** Dred_furst` [~Dred_furs@user-54470bf2.wfd82a.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:12:48 *** reven [reven@239.81-167-85.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:21:46 <Eddi|zuHause> "I am currently trying to code [subways]. [...] So far I made pictures of the underground stations." <- that's certainly promising :p 01:46:44 *** nicfer [~Administr@168.226.104.80] has left #openttd [] 01:47:09 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-75-74-51-51.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon] 01:50:41 <ccfreak2k> It's good to know that, in the year 2050, it MIGHT be possible to have something underground. 01:59:45 <NullAshton> Just expensive though... 02:01:12 *** Frostregen_ [~sucks@dslb-084-058-131-163.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 02:06:56 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-189-041.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:07:22 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 02:09:01 *** nightzinn [nightmare@20151133235.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #openttd 02:09:06 <nightzinn> hi 02:09:13 <nightzinn> 4all :) 02:10:20 <nightzinn> can someone remove my doubt ? 02:10:31 *** NullAshton [~Ashton@c-76-114-122-45.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:22:02 <nightzinn> what i need do to buy actions from a player ? 02:22:17 <nightzinn> please i need help 02:22:25 *** nightzinn [nightmare@20151133235.user.veloxzone.com.br] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 02:22:25 <Yexo> actions? you mean shares? 02:30:22 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:39:58 *** Jupix [~jupix@dsl-lprbrasgw1-fee4df00-82.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:41:17 *** roboboy [3aad2910@67.207.141.120] has joined #openttd 02:45:23 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has quit [Quit: ecke] 03:01:05 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 03:30:10 *** roboboy [3aad2910@67.207.141.120] has left #openttd [] 03:30:11 *** roboboy [3aad2910@67.207.141.120] has joined #openttd 03:30:18 *** roboboy [3aad2910@67.207.141.120] has left #openttd [] 03:30:18 *** roboboy [3aad2910@67.207.141.120] has joined #openttd 03:32:47 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-131-163.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: und weg] 03:41:39 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:24:16 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5E170.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 04:44:32 *** Pikka [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:45:09 *** Pikka [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has joined #openttd 04:45:51 *** Tekky [~chatzilla@p5493E451.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0.1/2008070208]] 04:48:29 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm143.epsilon121.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 04:54:24 *** Dr_Jekyll [Dr_Jekyll@p57B0D60D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: http://www.lagerwiki.de - das Wiki rund um's Thema Lager und Logistik] 05:06:14 *** roboboy [3aad2910@67.207.141.120] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 05:06:47 *** lilman424 [~evanseeds@lawn-128-61-127-87.lawn.gatech.edu] has joined #openttd 05:20:03 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5E170.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 05:30:23 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad00e8a.bb.sky.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:38:15 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad1d1ac.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 05:54:23 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 05:57:14 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has left #openttd [] 05:57:31 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 06:00:25 *** Zorn [zorn@e177226074.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 06:02:09 <Gekz> hai 06:07:49 *** Zorni [zorn@e177227139.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:10:18 <peter1138> 70GB! 06:10:27 <Gekz> :o 06:12:29 <Pikka> petar 06:13:11 <peter1138> Pikka :D 06:23:39 *** reldred|gone is now known as reldred 06:24:21 *** reldred is now known as Aegir 06:24:25 *** Aegir is now known as reldred 06:27:36 *** Yeggstry [~mind@cpc1-rdng14-0-0-cust946.winn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 06:27:40 *** Sir-Bob [~chatzilla@c114-76-62-29.eburwd4.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 06:30:49 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 06:47:09 <Pikka> eep! 06:56:32 <peter1138> Hmm? 06:59:26 <Pikka> nothing! 07:00:04 <Pikka> dragon went bust again, heh... 07:03:05 <peter1138> Oh... 07:03:27 <Pikka> oh is the word! 07:10:12 *** nekx [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 07:16:48 *** Purno [~Purno@5350931D.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 07:19:33 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 07:28:12 *** Purno [~Purno@5350931D.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: Always remember you're unique, just like everyone else.] 07:30:41 *** roboboy [3aad2910@67.207.141.120] has joined #openttd 07:31:51 *** lilman424 is now known as metalcore424 07:31:54 *** metalcore424 is now known as evanseeds 07:32:01 *** evanseeds is now known as lilman424 07:33:15 *** thingwath [~thingwath@147.251.200.254] has quit [Quit: It's all over.] 07:37:25 *** Pikkaa [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has joined #openttd 07:39:35 *** Mortal [~mortal@217.61.144.15] has joined #openttd 07:40:12 *** kjetil [~kjetil@tester.igjen.vdsl2.no] has joined #openttd 07:41:15 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-111-36.fttx.bbned.nl] has joined #openttd 07:44:12 *** Pikka [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:44:50 *** mortal` [~mortal@217.61.144.15] has joined #openttd 07:47:54 *** Mortal [~mortal@217.61.144.15] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:48:40 *** Celestar [~Jadzia_Da@129.187.69.65] has joined #openttd 07:48:43 *** mode/#openttd [+o Celestar] by ChanServ 07:49:12 <Celestar> heyo 07:52:53 <SmatZ> hello Mr. Fischer 07:52:55 <Celestar> :) 07:52:57 <Celestar> how is it? 07:53:06 <SmatZ> good :) 07:53:35 *** Yeggstry [~mind@cpc1-rdng14-0-0-cust946.winn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:55:04 * Celestar sighs 07:55:07 <Celestar> sometimes I hate merges :P 08:00:01 <murray> when do you not hate them? :p 08:00:17 <Celestar> when they don't give conflicts? 08:00:44 <murray> but then it isn't a merge is it? :p 08:01:52 <Celestar> :P 08:03:12 *** Mortal [~mortal@217.61.144.15] has joined #openttd 08:04:24 <SmatZ> hehe 08:05:15 *** mortal`` [~mortal@217.61.144.15] has joined #openttd 08:06:34 *** mortal` [~mortal@217.61.144.15] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:11:58 *** Mortal [~mortal@217.61.144.15] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:12:44 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g226219009.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 08:14:06 <Celestar> hm .. 08:14:13 <Celestar> peter1138: you're working with vim aren't you? 08:14:40 <peter1138> Yes. 08:15:07 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 08:16:09 <Celestar> peter1138: is there any way to grep for the word currently under the cursor? Hi btw (= 08:16:24 *** mortal`` [~mortal@217.61.144.15] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:16:49 <peter1138> No idea. 08:17:17 <peter1138> I always just typed my search in, heh... 08:17:50 *** lilman424 is now known as sleepman424 08:18:58 <Celestar> me too 08:20:52 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:26:58 <blathijs> Celestar: You can search for the word under the cursor with * 08:27:19 <blathijs> Celestar: But that searches for whole word only 08:27:46 <Celestar> blathijs: so :grep * src/* ? 08:27:51 *** CommanderZ [~matej@r9fi34.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 08:28:01 <blathijs> Celestar: no, that's just searching within the current file 08:28:28 <blathijs> Celestar: You're looking for some variable that contains the current word, to use in a mapping, I think? 08:29:15 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 08:29:19 <Celestar> blathijs: say I'm in a file where there's a function call x = foobarbaz(); I want to search for all instances of "foobarbaz" in src/* 08:29:33 *** kjetil [~kjetil@tester.igjen.vdsl2.no] has quit [Quit: leaving] 08:29:35 <peter1138> Hmm, I never used grep within vim. 08:29:40 <Celestar> of course I can just type :grep foobarbaz src/* 08:29:46 <Celestar> but that's unelegant :P 08:29:49 <blathijs> :-) 08:31:07 <Celestar> mesa liken the new website (= 08:32:04 <peter1138> Heh, the servers page does not work. 08:34:30 *** Pikka [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has joined #openttd 08:35:25 <blathijs> TrueBrain: I'm seeing an unhandled exception on the servers page (and no other output) 08:36:17 *** Pikkaa [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:37:52 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r14328 /trunk/src/misc_cmd.cpp: -Fix (r11822): when a company was renamed and then manager was renamed before building anything, company name changed 08:38:29 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm143.epsilon121.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:39:39 *** giftnudel [~mb@frnk-590ee935.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 08:56:17 <CommanderZ> devs, could you pls have a look at my patch http://bugs.openttd.org/index.php?do=details&task_id=2114 ? 08:57:07 <Celestar> peter1138: what's the further plan for cargodest? 08:57:50 <blathijs> CommanderZ: The patch seems to give a 404 08:58:00 <blathijs> which is rather weird.. 08:58:47 <CommanderZ> lol, I will reupload it when I get home 08:58:56 <CommanderZ> seems bugspray is bugged 08:59:16 <peter1138> Yeah, the CIA listen in on everything. 08:59:21 <Gekz> ACTA. 08:59:23 <Gekz> Hide, kids. 08:59:30 <peter1138> Or did you mean buggy? 08:59:41 <blathijs> Rubidium: TrueBrain: The attachment of FS#2114 gives a 404, that's not supposed to be possible, right? 09:00:16 <Rubidium> the page somehow doesn't generate the right url 09:00:45 *** roboboy [3aad2910@67.207.141.120] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 09:01:00 <Rubidium> and I've got no idea where CommanderZ got his URL from 09:01:19 <peter1138> It's because of all the rewrite rules. 09:01:31 <CommanderZ> from my address bar :) 09:01:41 <Rubidium> and how did you get it in the address bar? 09:02:19 <peter1138> Flyspray needs to output an absolute URL (from /) and the rewrite rule should be /getfile/xxx instead of /task/nnn/getfile/xxx 09:02:48 <Rubidium> peter1138: that's what happens, but CommanderZ just gave a URL that flyspray doesn't generate itself 09:03:04 <CommanderZ> I deleted one param there but is shouldn't break it 09:03:04 <peter1138> That's not what happens. 09:03:11 <Rubidium> and absolute URLs will break https://bugs.openttd.org 09:03:25 <CommanderZ> Ok so the correct URL is http://bugs.openttd.org/task/2114?project=1&opened=899 09:03:46 <Rubidium> or without the stuff after the ? 09:04:02 <CommanderZ> i will rather not delete anything this time 09:04:16 <peter1138> For instance, "http://bugs.openttd.org/2114" also gets you to the correct task. 09:04:36 <CommanderZ> but the 404 is still there 09:04:39 <Rubidium> peter1138: that sucks :( 09:04:40 <peter1138> But then the download links don't include /task/ so you can't download... 09:04:42 <Celestar> Rubidium: would you find some time to do another review of cargodest? 09:05:20 <CommanderZ> but here http://bugs.openttd.org/task/2114?project=1&opened=899 the links work well 09:07:15 *** roboboy [3aad2910@67.207.141.120] has joined #openttd 09:08:56 <Rubidium> peter1138: fixed ;) 09:09:05 <Rubidium> now http://bugs.openttd.org/2114 works correct too 09:17:32 <peter1138> :D 09:27:27 *** reldred is now known as reldred|gone 09:28:44 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:30:29 <Celestar> Rubidium: yes/no? (= 09:31:56 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@5350C1D1.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 09:45:19 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad1d1ac.bb.sky.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:45:24 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad1d1ac.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 09:45:51 <Ammler> [11:00] <blathijs> [10:34:06] TrueBrain: I'm seeing an unhandled exception on the servers page (and no other output) <-- approved 09:46:48 *** welshdragon [~vista@host86-136-167-250.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 09:46:59 <Rubidium> Celestar: I'll try to find some 09:47:25 <blathijs> Ammler: I guess you mean "confirmed", "approved" would mean you think it's ok for that exception to be there :-) 09:47:40 <Ammler> indeed. 09:48:17 <Rubidium> blathijs: he just means that it is now allowed for TB to read your message 09:48:21 <Ammler> also the (nice) language flags aren't displayed... 09:48:37 <Rubidium> Ammler: that's because users are STUPID 09:48:51 <Ammler> oh, sorry then :-) 09:48:52 <murray> STOOPID 09:49:26 <Rubidium> saying: currently there are no translations yet because no translations have been made yet and they getting replies like: the translations don't work 09:50:42 <Ammler> does the debian packages from the nightly download install openttd or are they also "just" packed like the generic packs? 09:51:23 <Rubidium> install as any .deb does 09:52:01 *** Pikka [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:52:14 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-3-70-101.manc.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 09:53:53 *** roboboy [3aad2910@67.207.141.120] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 09:54:15 <TrueBrain> [10:35] <blathijs> TrueBrain: I'm seeing an unhandled exception on the servers page (and no other output) <- no idea what happened .. gave the server a reboot, and it came back to live ... weird science! 09:55:00 <TrueBrain> [02:53] <DaleStan> TrueBrain: nightly.ttdpatch.net is answering requests on port 80 with a RST/ACK. <- server was once again, crashed 09:57:42 <blathijs> TrueBrain: Welcome back! :-) 10:00:28 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad1d1ac.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:00:28 *** Pikka [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has joined #openttd 10:00:38 <Brianetta> Pikka (: 10:00:59 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad00e82.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 10:01:06 <Brianetta> bleepy ): 10:02:54 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r14329 /trunk/src/ (group_gui.cpp vehicle_gui.cpp vehicle_gui_base.h): -Fix (r14306): selections in the group GUI weren't shown anymore. 10:04:01 <Gekz> TrueBrain: this new server is terribly unstable isnt it 10:04:12 <TrueBrain> Gekz: absolutely not 10:04:26 <Celestar> wth 10:04:27 <TrueBrain> nightly.ttdpatch.net is on an old old server 10:05:40 <TrueBrain> the new server is in fact more stable than most servers I ahve had my hands on ... 10:06:08 <Gekz> oh 10:06:10 *** reldred|gone is now known as reldred 10:06:10 <Gekz> I am mistaken. 10:19:27 <peter1138> Will nightly.ttdpatch.net be moving? 10:20:12 *** sleepman424 [~evanseeds@lawn-128-61-127-87.lawn.gatech.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:20:30 <TrueBrain> peter1138: in time 10:22:00 *** sleepman424 [~evanseeds@lawn-128-61-127-87.lawn.gatech.edu] has joined #openttd 10:24:16 <Rubidium> poor sleepman424... sleeping on the lawn of his university 10:24:46 <Celestar> lool 10:25:26 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:29:21 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 10:30:02 *** sleepman424 [~evanseeds@lawn-128-61-127-87.lawn.gatech.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:30:37 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-3-70-101.manc.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:32:00 *** sleepman424 [~evanseeds@lawn-128-61-127-87.lawn.gatech.edu] has joined #openttd 10:36:00 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@bib-theater33.hku.nl] has joined #openttd 10:37:07 *** Pikka [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:39:00 *** elmex [~elmex@e180064058.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 10:40:01 *** sleepman424 [~evanseeds@lawn-128-61-127-87.lawn.gatech.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:40:18 <Celestar> hm 10:40:25 <Celestar> how many bugs need fixing for 0.6.3? 10:40:35 <Rubidium> at least 1 10:40:46 <Rubidium> which is rather like 3 10:40:54 <Forked> that is somehow 15 (sorry) 10:43:17 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1BBA7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:43:18 <Rubidium> Celestar: and then I'm only talking about bugs that can crash client/server (possibly remotely) 10:43:31 *** sleepman424 [~evanseeds@lawn-128-61-127-87.lawn.gatech.edu] has joined #openttd 10:44:44 <Celestar> I see 11:01:54 <Celestar> what the hell 11:01:56 <Celestar> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/29/Sechsschienengleis.JPG 11:01:58 <Celestar> cool stuff 11:03:35 <Ammler> every side its own stuff, also the non-stop 11:03:49 <CommanderZ> this would result in pretty ugly pixel mess in tdd 11:04:31 <Ammler> hmm 11:04:34 <Ammler> stuff :P 11:04:47 <Rubidium> looks like another solution to the mini-shinkansen problem 11:07:35 <Ammler> is that kind possible with peter's rail branch? http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bild:Dreischienenweiche.jpg 11:07:41 <blathijs> wth, why is that useful? 11:08:09 <Ammler> security? 11:08:16 <Rubidium> mini-shinkansen == narrow version of shinkansen so it can run on "normal" rail (clearances). However at normal shinkansen stations the steps extend sideways to make a kind of bridge to the platform 11:08:42 <blathijs> Ammler: So people can't touch the (closed) side of the train? 11:09:09 <Ammler> only slow trains are close to the plattform 11:09:23 <Rubidium> blathijs: for supporting narrow and wide trains at the same station 11:10:09 <Celestar> stupid narrow gauge idea :P 11:10:10 <Ammler> Rubidium: the "Sechsschienengleis" doesn't seem to be for different witdhts 11:10:21 <blathijs> Rubidium: Ah, right. Same size rail, but different width train :-) 11:15:17 <dih> would it not make sense to treat road crossings like signals? in that they are closed if a train is in the signal block ;-) 11:15:50 <Rubidium> blathijs: http://flickr.com/photos/ddtmmm/2859224240/in/set-72157600821505575/ <- normal shinkansen at normal shinkansen stop, http://flickr.com/photos/10076455@N04/810543070 <- minishinkansen at normal shinkansen stop... mind the gap 11:18:08 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 11:19:07 *** dfox [~dfox@r9eh58.net.upc.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:21:07 *** Aylomen [~a@DSL01.83.171.166.253.ip-pool.NEFkom.net] has joined #openttd 11:21:11 <Celestar> dih: with yapp, that does happen 11:21:50 <Ammler> that is actually another nice feature of PBS 11:21:56 *** Sir-Bob [~chatzilla@c114-76-62-29.eburwd4.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:22:23 <Celestar> Ammler: how's the performance of cargodest meanwhile? 11:22:33 <Ammler> it rocks 11:22:38 <Ammler> :-) 11:22:50 *** roboboy [3aad2910@67.207.141.120] has joined #openttd 11:22:54 <Celestar> heh.. ok (= 11:23:19 <Ammler> someone (Ben) who couldn't join the dev server because of the cpu usage, can join again because of your optimizing... 11:23:41 <Noldo> Celestar: how did you optiomize it? 11:23:48 <Ammler> cache 11:24:28 <Ammler> but sadly, we didn't start a new game 11:24:49 <Celestar> Noldo: cache, cache, cache 11:24:50 <blathijs> Rubidium: The gap actually seems similar to what we have in NL, but it's probably bigger :-) 11:24:55 <Celestar> on multiple levels 11:25:01 <Celestar> Ammler: we could start a new game at some point 11:25:10 <Forked> :) 11:25:12 <Celestar> but I'll be in Berlin (yuck) from Wednesday to Friday 11:25:16 <Ammler> I would like to "repeat" my scenario :-) 11:25:38 <Rubidium> blathijs: inch vs foot clearance (sometimes those imperical measures as usefull) 11:25:44 <Celestar> sounds like a good idea. 11:25:50 <Celestar> Ammler: we *could* start it today :P 11:26:04 <Celestar> unless there are things that need to be done before. 11:26:05 <Ammler> games without NewGRFs just (well) sucks. :-) 11:26:10 <Celestar> yes 11:26:12 <Celestar> I agree 11:26:22 <Celestar> and we might want to change some penalty factors 11:26:40 <Ammler> and DBSet is the best pax train set 11:27:05 <Ammler> but maybe NARS2 would be nice too, didn't play it much yet. 11:28:31 <Ammler> 2cc has the problem that it likes to support every length 11:30:30 <Ammler> (or it is the excuse, because length limits are hard to code, dunno) 11:30:31 <Celestar> DBSet would be cool 11:38:48 <Celestar> is GRVTS causing desync problems (on trunk) ? 11:43:31 <Rubidium> Celestar: trunk as in when? 11:43:54 <Celestar> now? 11:44:48 <Rubidium> then: not that I'm aware of 11:46:45 <Celestar> good 11:50:08 *** roboboy [3aad2910@67.207.141.120] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 11:52:46 <Ammler> desyncs are very rare now... 11:53:09 <Ammler> and you know, how many NewGRFs coop servers use :-) 11:54:33 <Celestar> :-) 11:55:03 <Ammler> frosch is the hero :P 11:55:21 <Celestar> :) 11:55:38 <Celestar> hm .. maybe frosch and I should fix multistop first (= 11:56:13 <Ammler> that is indeed very annoying currently... 11:56:18 <Ammler> well ever :-) 11:56:46 <Celestar> it wasn't before DTRS (= 11:56:56 *** sleepman424 [~evanseeds@lawn-128-61-127-87.lawn.gatech.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:57:06 <Ammler> it isn't still without :-) 11:57:15 <Celestar> he? 11:57:23 <Celestar> ENOPARSE 11:57:32 <Ammler> if you don't need DTRS, you don't have problems. 11:57:41 <Ammler> but then you can't use aRVs 11:58:03 <Celestar> yeah 11:59:04 <welshdragon> what's the problem with multistop? 11:59:31 <CommanderZ> RVs don't choose the station correctly and make unnecessary queues 12:00:00 <welshdragon> hmm, yeah, i've noticed that 12:00:12 <welshdragon> needs a better routing algorithm imho 12:01:10 <welshdragon> i.e. instead of taking the shortest route, an RV takes a route with less 'traffic' 12:01:16 <Ammler> the problem might be, that they see a DTRS with a free spot, but enter from the wrong direction... 12:01:37 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@85.27.135.237] has joined #openttd 12:02:30 <Rubidium> Celestar: hg diff -r 6e3a58a7587d src/strings.cpp <- looks like a sync gone horribly wrong 12:03:20 <Celestar> Rubidium: I'll be checking it in a few minutes 12:03:55 <Celestar> thanks 12:07:05 <peter1138> Mine or Celestars? :p 12:07:20 <peter1138> Ammler, have you been playing games since those recent desync fixes then? 12:07:57 <Ammler> peter1138: coop ps is always near trunk 12:08:35 <Ammler> or also the cargo dest branch is after that... 12:08:49 *** reldred is now known as reldred|gone 12:09:27 <peter1138> No it's not. Sometimes you stick to an older version if there are problems. 12:09:34 <peter1138> 12:06 Ammler> is that kind possible with peter's rail branch? http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bild:Dreischienenweiche.jpg 12:09:54 <peter1138> It is possible by making the combined track a new track type. 12:10:02 <planetmaker> [14:09] <peter1138> No it's not. Sometimes you stick to an older version if there are problems. <-- and we update mid-game, if important problems are solved :) 12:10:16 <peter1138> So you'd have narrow gauge track, standard gauge track, and combined narrow and standard guage track. 12:10:39 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B83E43.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:10:40 <peter1138> And did those fixes solve anything? 12:11:18 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-115-197.prem.tmns.net.au] has joined #openttd 12:11:31 <Gekz> lol thats crazy 12:12:01 <planetmaker> peter1138: it's my impression that desyncs got considerably better. 12:12:15 <Gekz> peter1138: is that implemented in openttd? 12:12:26 <planetmaker> Yesterday though I saw one desync - but it's the only one in days. 12:12:33 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80805.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 12:12:34 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 12:12:51 <planetmaker> saw != experienced myself. 12:12:53 <Ammler> [14:09] <peter1138> No it's not. Sometimes you stick to an older version if there are problems. <-- near is around a week or 100-200 commits 12:14:18 <Gekz> have we hit 20000 yet? 12:15:31 *** Sexy_Mary [~kermit@cpe-77-83-196-147-dsl.netone.gr] has joined #openttd 12:16:24 <CommanderZ> r20000? 12:16:28 <Gekz> yes 12:16:57 <CommanderZ> nope, there is currently r14something 12:17:19 <Gekz> lol 12:17:44 *** Sexy_Mary [~kermit@cpe-77-83-196-147-dsl.netone.gr] has left #openttd [] 12:18:11 <dih> peter1138: i have a server that is always current nightly 12:18:21 <dih> (no newgrf's either) 12:18:21 <peter1138> Hmm, that was EXCEEDINGLY greasy chicken. 12:18:29 <peter1138> And damn, did it taste good :D 12:18:33 <dih> :-) 12:18:38 <peter1138> No NewGRFs? How do you get players? :p 12:19:02 <dih> well - as newgrfs can be the cause of desyncs etc, i wanted to avoid that 12:19:13 <dih> so i can make relyable reports when stuff shows up 12:19:36 <dih> and i do get a few players here and there 12:20:01 <peter1138> Mind you, currently there's only me and Pikka on my server. 12:20:12 <peter1138> welshdragon keeps trying to keeps going bankrupt... 12:20:22 <dih> hehe 12:20:24 <peter1138> *but 12:20:40 <dih> if you want any newgrfs loaded for any reason, drop me a note 12:20:51 <peter1138> Not really, I can run my own ;) 12:21:10 <dih> i dont really touch my server :-P 12:21:13 <dih> hihi 12:21:16 <dih> how i love that 12:21:28 <dih> only every once in a while i need to kill zombie proceses :-( 12:21:34 <peter1138> No desyncs so far but that may be because it's too hard to have millions of road vehicles chasing each other. 12:22:12 <Ammler> we recently played a rv only game witout desyncs (eGRFVTS) 12:22:15 <Ammler> -F 12:22:35 *** thingwath [~thingwath@wireless-115.fi.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 12:22:35 <peter1138> Mind you, it's always welshdragon who desyncs on Brianetta's server. 12:22:52 <dih> hehe 12:23:04 <dih> welshdragon: feel free to join my server and try the same ;-) 12:23:16 <Ammler> peter1138: you can part and join again without desync? 12:23:49 *** welshdragon is now known as Guest7069 12:24:11 *** welshdragon [~S60dragon@212.183.134.211] has joined #openttd 12:24:15 <Ammler> you just would need to reload the game and eveyone can join again else (!save !rcon load game) 12:24:29 <dih> welshdragon: feel free to join my server and try the same ;-) 12:25:07 <welshdragon> Dih: i will do when my laptop behaves again 12:25:28 <dih> upper case D looks ugly :-S 12:25:56 *** dfox [~dfox@r5cv134.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 12:25:59 <welshdragon> Sorry. Had to swap to my phone 12:26:42 <welshdragon> And it capitalizes sentences 12:26:46 <peter1138> I can, yes. 12:27:02 <peter1138> Is that a problem? 12:27:10 <peter1138> Oh, Dih :D 12:27:26 <peter1138> Well there's an obvious solution to that. 12:27:32 <peter1138> We shall all call him Dih from now on :D 12:27:38 <welshdragon> Peter: your build costs are too high 12:28:10 <welshdragon> Heh 12:28:14 *** Guest7069 [~vista@host86-136-167-250.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:28:15 <dih> you are too kind petter 12:28:28 <Ammler> !s/p/b/ 12:28:43 <welshdragon> Peter can be petra 12:30:54 <dih> you could be nessi! 12:31:14 <welshdragon> Nah 12:32:47 <peter1138> Dih, I know! 12:33:10 <peter1138> Costs are too high? But...! 12:33:18 <peter1138> Actually that is a major flaw in TTD... 12:33:30 <peter1138> You start off with slow vehicles that you can hardly make a profit it. 12:33:32 <peter1138> *with 12:33:50 <peter1138> Then later you end up with fast vehicles that rake it in. 12:34:04 <peter1138> It's the wrong way around in the difficulty level stakes :o 12:37:53 <peter1138> So we need GRFs that give you fast vehicles to start with and slow them down? :o 12:38:34 *** Tim [83dc24f1@67.207.141.120] has joined #openttd 12:38:36 <Ammler> or a GRF wich just rises basecost with years... 12:39:40 <CommanderZ> we all know whole economy of (O)TTD is broken...and cannot be fixed with one simple change...:( 12:40:12 <Forked> start in 2050 and go backwards in time 12:40:29 <Forked> force breakdowns on trains that have not been invented yet 12:40:55 *** welshdragon2 [~vista@host81-157-37-217.range81-157.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 12:41:10 *** welshdragon [~S60dragon@212.183.134.211] has quit [Quit: See ya! (mirggi irc client)] 12:41:18 *** welshdragon2 is now known as welshdragon 12:42:08 <welshdragon> that's better :P 12:46:31 <dih> you can make a bunch of money with r's 12:46:34 <dih> *rv's 12:47:00 <dih> just need to make use of the station spread ;-) 12:47:21 <dih> and you can 'teleport' by 'transfering' from one end of the map to the other, and make a bunch of cash 12:47:33 <dih> very helpful at the beginning :-P 12:51:21 *** welshdragon is now known as Guest7072 12:53:33 *** Guest7072 [~vista@host81-157-37-217.range81-157.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:58:32 *** Yeggstry [~mind@cpc1-rdng14-0-0-cust946.winn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 13:00:22 <peter1138> :) 13:00:32 <Forked> cheaters :\ 13:02:09 <Ammler> on competition servers, usually it isn't higer than 12 13:05:21 <dih> that aint cheating 13:05:27 <dih> it's not even a bug 13:05:30 <dih> it's a feature :-D 13:12:31 *** welshdragon [~vista@host217-43-223-97.range217-43.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 13:15:10 *** flowOver [~J@S01060016e65abad7.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 13:15:24 *** flowOver [~J@S01060016e65abad7.gv.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:16:01 *** flowOver [~J@S01060016e65abad7.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 13:19:19 *** flowOver [~J@S01060016e65abad7.gv.shawcable.net] has quit [] 13:21:06 <peter1138> 76GB! 13:22:08 <TrueBrain> peter1138: getting there ;) 13:26:02 *** welshdragon [~vista@host217-43-223-97.range217-43.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:27:49 *** Tim [83dc24f1@67.207.141.120] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 13:29:11 *** Yeggstry [~mind@cpc1-rdng14-0-0-cust946.winn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:31:26 <Belugas> judging by the number of timeout that welshdragon is afflicting us, i would not trust any of his MO bugs... 13:33:11 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r14330 /trunk/src/lang/unfinished/ (greek.txt latvian.txt): -Fix: compile warnings in some unfinished lang files. 13:33:22 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 13:33:49 <yorick> the landscape.html about bridge heads transporttype is incorrect 13:33:57 <yorick> it doesn't include aqueducts 13:34:38 *** CommanderZ [~matej@r9fi34.net.upc.cz] has left #openttd [] 13:34:41 *** CommanderZ [~matej@r9fi34.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 13:34:58 <Belugas> can you put on a patch? 13:36:03 <SmatZ> no 13:40:05 <yorick> Belugas: should I post it on flyspray? 13:41:30 <yorick> there it goes *fly, my little patch, fly into the big world!* 13:42:34 * TrueBrain pakt de vliegemepper ... ;) 13:43:38 <yorick> electronic one :) 13:43:45 <TrueBrain> bzzz 13:43:55 <Ammler> is "Flyspray" something from OpenTTD or a "stolen/borrowd" word? 13:44:06 <TrueBrain> it is software 13:44:22 <Ammler> the bugtracker? 13:44:25 <yorick> it is bugtracker software 13:44:39 <Ammler> well, it is a nice name :-) 13:45:03 <Rubidium> Ammler never visited the bugtracker? 13:45:12 <Ammler> ? 13:45:37 <Rubidium> should be fairly obvious that we use flyspray as bugtracker 13:45:37 <Ammler> not really, why should I 13:46:19 <Ammler> well, never really thought about the name itself 13:46:22 <yorick> because you want to see patches being submitted to there 13:46:43 <Ammler> he means the homepage of flyspray, I assume 13:47:01 *** fester64x2 [~fester@24.115.126.1.res-cmts.wtn.ptd.net] has joined #openttd 13:47:04 <yorick> heh, I even submitted a bug there 13:47:11 * yorick never got anything back 13:47:25 <Ammler> dates are overwritten by nick? 13:47:28 <fester64x2> nice work on openttd 13:47:38 * fester64x2 is very impressed 13:48:31 <Celestar> thanks fester64x2 :D 13:48:38 <fester64x2> no problem =) 13:48:45 <fester64x2> thank you for making the game 13:48:46 <Celestar> Rubidium: I don't see the merge problem in strings.cpp ? 13:48:56 <Celestar> Rubidium: it looks fine to me 13:49:16 <yorick> Celestar: I also noticed it 13:49:24 <yorick> it's a small merge problem 13:49:46 <yorick> just need to replace "index" by sid and remove the first definition of station 13:50:48 <Celestar> yorick: Rubidium: http://www.fvfischer.de/merge.diff <= that's the diff I get? 13:50:56 <Ammler> I was wondering about the 1000er delimeter patch of Eddi|zuHause 13:51:06 <yorick> Celestar: that's a strange diff 13:51:31 <yorick> you are merging trunk to cargodest, right? 13:52:05 <Celestar> I did exactly what Rubidium said (= 13:52:17 <yorick> hg clone http://hg.openttd.org/developers/celestar/cargodest.hg cargodestmerge && cd cargodestmerge && hg pull http://hg.openttd.org/openttd/trunk.hg && hg merge? 13:52:23 <Rubidium> Celestar: http://hg.openttd.org/openttd/trunk.hg/file/7e734c287259/src/strings.cpp#l843 (what it looked like in trunk) 13:52:26 <Celestar> hg diff -r 6e3a58a7587d src/strings.cpp <= this in cargodest 13:52:41 <Rubidium> Celestar: http://hg.openttd.org/openttd/trunk.hg/file/7e734c287259/src/strings.cpp#l841 (how it looks now in trunk) 13:53:23 <Rubidium> Celestar: http://hg.openttd.org/developers/celestar/cargodest.hg/file/0826aa8e8789/src/strings.cpp#l849 (how it looks in cargodest) 13:53:38 <Ammler> can I change the delimeter now only with custom currency? 13:53:52 <Rubidium> Celestar: see any familiarity with both the looked like in trunk and looks like trunk in cargodest? 13:55:49 <Celestar> hm 13:55:51 <Celestar> recommendations? 13:56:11 <Rubidium> yeah, curl http://www.fvfischer.de/merge.diff | patch -R -p1 13:56:39 *** welshdragon [~vista@host86-145-214-136.range86-145.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 13:56:40 <Celestar> and then commit that? 13:56:48 <Rubidium> yup 13:59:44 <Celestar> done and pushed 14:02:29 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@bib-theater33.hku.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:08:32 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 14:09:55 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@user-54470bf2.wfd82a.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 14:13:03 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5E3B4.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 14:13:10 *** Tim [~Tim@p5B37CBD9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:13:37 <Celestar> peter1138: how's the railtypes branch going? 14:13:54 *** Tim_ [~chatzilla@p5090AA9C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 14:14:32 <Tim> What? Did you really allow your partner in CargoDest to work on another branch? :) 14:15:20 <Ammler> 2 others :P 14:15:20 *** Tim_ is now known as Timmey 14:15:30 *** Timmey [~chatzilla@p5090AA9C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [] 14:15:31 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-3-70-101.manc.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 14:15:41 <CommanderZ> why not if they are useful :) 14:17:43 <Celestar> Tim: imho, cargodest is basically finished 14:17:54 <Celestar> Tim: code review is the next step 14:18:01 <Tim> That's good to hear :) 14:21:13 <Celestar> did you test it? 14:21:22 <peter1138> It's going well. 14:21:33 <Celestar> that's great to hear 14:21:37 <Tim> Yes, but that was about 2 weeks ago. 14:22:00 <Celestar> have we yet decided what happens with NewGRF_ports? Rewrite? It'd be a great addition to 0.7 ;) 14:22:27 <peter1138> What was about two weeks ago? 14:22:46 <peter1138> A rewrite seems likely, and is no bad thing. 14:22:49 <Celestar> peter1138: Tim testing cargodest 14:22:52 <peter1138> I lost count of the newstations rewrites :) 14:23:02 <Celestar> peter1138: I quite agree, the question is: who does it (= 14:23:11 <TrueBrain> Celestar: my vote goes for Celestar 14:23:24 <peter1138> :D 14:23:29 <Celestar> ok yapp, cargodest, IS, newgrf_ports, railtypes, roadtypes ... maybe the next revision should be 0.8 :P 14:23:45 <Celestar> I'd do it, but I need some assistance, having new worked with newgrfs ... 14:23:52 <Celestar> s/new/never 14:24:07 <TrueBrain> ask Bjarni! :) 14:24:10 <peter1138> There'll be eyecandy and bridges to do as well. 14:24:14 <Belugas> and newobjects will make his way in in a few <ELASTIC-TIME-PERIOD> 14:24:21 <peter1138> Yeah, Bjarni's good at rewriting at things. 14:24:23 <TrueBrain> Celestar: and you forget NoAI! 14:24:33 <peter1138> Well, s/good at/likes/ 14:24:41 <Celestar> TrueBrain: if NoAI is in as well, we might really go for 0.8 right away :P 14:25:01 <Tim> Did you implement any of the "Items for Version 2" from the wiki in the current CargoDest branch, or are those to come later? 14:25:06 <TrueBrain> After saturday the biggest missing piece of NoAI will be committed ... 14:25:16 <TrueBrain> well, besides NAIL, but that is an other story ;) 14:25:23 <Celestar> Tim: they ARE for v2 (= 14:25:34 <Celestar> Tim: I've done some work on them already. 14:25:40 <Celestar> TrueBrain: Rail Building? 14:25:45 <TrueBrain> Celestar: :) 14:25:55 <Tim> Good to hear again :) 14:25:58 * yorick congratulates TB with the future 14:26:06 <TrueBrain> now if there would be time for finishing MapGen 14:26:15 <TrueBrain> we could directly skip 0.7, 0.8 and 0.9, and call it 1.0 :p 14:26:27 <Tim> That one would be fantastic: Adjust cargo generation to network (if you only have one power station connected, you just get less coal than when you have five) 14:26:29 <yorick> what's MapGen? 14:26:37 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: after 0.9 0.A 14:26:39 *** thingwath [~thingwath@wireless-115.fi.muni.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:26:39 <TrueBrain> yorick: a long dying project 14:26:42 <Celestar> TrueBrain: only if we have OpenGFX everywhere (= 14:26:44 <yorick> aha 14:26:47 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: now THAT would be a nice joke ;) 14:26:57 <Celestar> Tim: yeah, but that has nothing to do with cargodest actually (= 14:26:58 <TrueBrain> Celestar: hehe :) I wonder if they can come up with a valid license ... ;) 14:27:05 <yorick> " expected ââ¬Ë,ââ¬â¢ or ââ¬Ë;ââ¬â¢ before ââ¬Ë:ââ¬â¢ toke" <-- now how's that error going to be helpful 14:27:14 <Celestar> Rubidium: after 0.9 can be 0.10 anyway ... 14:27:24 <Celestar> it's not a decimal separator, that "." 14:27:44 <TrueBrain> Celestar: lol, now that would be messy 14:27:47 <TrueBrain> I vote for 0.A! 14:27:57 <Celestar> TrueBrain: why, ... look at <most projects> 14:27:58 <CommanderZ> lol 14:28:09 <CommanderZ> what would be after 0.F 14:28:13 <TrueBrain> Celestar: it always confused me, 0.9, 0.10 .. it just doesn't make sense when I do: ls -1 14:28:16 <TrueBrain> CommanderZ: 0.G 14:28:19 <TrueBrain> who was counting in hex? :p 14:28:28 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Quit: Ik ga weg] 14:28:34 <Celestar> ok let's get back to being serious :P 14:28:41 <CommanderZ> and after 0.Z would be 0.® lol 14:28:46 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 14:28:47 <Tim> How about a smaller project than the ones you are talking about, which would be to re-organize and put together all of the settings? :) 14:28:50 <TrueBrain> CommanderZ: now that is silly :p 14:28:57 <Rubidium> Celestar: yeah, most projects do releases on April 1st 14:29:17 <TrueBrain> or while services are being moved ... or make a commit at r10000 which is hidden from the world ... :p 14:29:24 <TrueBrain> damn, we have a bad sense of humor .. 14:29:52 <yorick> at least someone guessed it was a mapgen commit 14:30:03 <TrueBrain> as we told that person 14:30:17 <yorick> but what is mapgen? 14:30:36 <TrueBrain> a secret project, dah :) 14:30:39 <yorick> (except for a secret coders-hideout) 14:30:50 <Rubidium> very <curseword>realistic</curseword> map generation 14:31:15 <yorick> "realistic" ! 14:31:18 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: don't spoil it! :p 14:31:34 <Celestar> hm. 14:31:41 * Celestar checks out NewGRF_ports 14:31:57 <TrueBrain> good luck Celestar 14:32:15 <Celestar> hm .. there is also custombridgeheads 14:32:22 * Celestar loses track 14:32:23 <yorick> there is 14:32:27 <yorick> or what's left of it 14:32:30 <TrueBrain> *cough*gamebalance*cough* 14:33:09 * yorick gives TB "hoestdrankje" 14:33:17 <CommanderZ> you should really leave some fratures for 0.8 :) 14:33:36 <TrueBrain> CommanderZ: don't worry, if one thing the past has shown: as soon as one big feature is in, an other pops up around the corner 14:33:39 <TrueBrain> a never ending battle ... 14:33:48 <peter1138> I want river generation. 14:33:59 <TrueBrain> realistic tunnels 14:34:00 <yorick> I want lively rivers 14:34:06 <yorick> enhanced tunnels 14:34:10 <yorick> custom bridgeheads 14:34:12 <yorick> gamebalance 14:34:14 <TrueBrain> border-towns 14:34:15 <TrueBrain> head-to-head 14:34:17 <yorick> infrastructure-sharing 14:34:22 <TrueBrain> other gameplays 14:34:24 <yorick> cargodest 14:34:25 <TrueBrain> omg, the list is endless! 14:34:36 <yorick> neutral infrastructure 14:34:50 <Celestar> gamebalance was put on hold due to missing cargodest (= 14:34:50 <yorick> (airports and docks are already possible :-p) 14:35:03 <TrueBrain> lol @ Celestar 14:35:06 <dih> :-) 14:35:16 <CommanderZ> I want to live forewer to see what will OTTD 0.999 be like 14:35:18 <Celestar> O_o i wasn't kidding 14:35:21 <yorick> I want bridges over stations 14:35:30 <TrueBrain> CommanderZ: I really do hope at some point OpenTTD says: and this is version 1.0 14:35:32 <yorick> I want subway 14:35:37 <TrueBrain> but okay .. I wonder how version 10.0 looks like ;) 14:35:42 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 14:35:47 <dih> i want kick for yorick :-P 14:35:50 <dih> :-D 14:35:54 * TrueBrain gives dih a kick 14:35:55 <dih> nah - just kidding 14:35:55 <TrueBrain> for yorick 14:35:58 <yorick> I am strongly against it 14:36:00 <yorick> thanks :) 14:36:06 * dih kicks yorick with the kick from TrueBrain 14:36:18 <TrueBrain> @kick dih don't reuse my kick! 14:36:18 *** dih was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [don't reuse my kick!] 14:36:21 <CommanderZ> TrueBrain: I think the 0.1 should have been 1.0. 14:36:29 *** dih [~dih@members.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 14:36:33 <TrueBrain> CommanderZ: lol! Ever played 0.1? :) 14:36:34 * yorick kicks dih with the kick from dih from truebrain 14:36:35 <dih> :'( 14:36:35 * TrueBrain hugs dih :) 14:36:36 <CommanderZ> everything would be simplier now 14:36:44 <TrueBrain> @kick yorick don't reuse my kick! 14:36:44 *** yorick was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [don't reuse my kick!] 14:36:45 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 14:37:00 * yorick kicks TrueBrain with the kick he just received 14:37:12 <TrueBrain> (you had thatone coming :p) 14:37:21 <CommanderZ> TrueBrain: no, but I have seen somewhere it was 1:1 clone of TTD 14:37:21 <TrueBrain> @kickban yorick but my kicks are stronger 14:37:23 <dih> yep - i was waiting for it :-P 14:37:26 <Ammler> could someone build a r1 linux for me? 14:37:27 <TrueBrain> @kban yorick but my kicks are stronger 14:37:29 *** mode/#openttd [+b *!~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] by DorpsGek 14:37:29 *** yorick was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [but my kicks are stronger] 14:37:36 <CommanderZ> this is getting crazy 14:37:39 <TrueBrain> @op 14:37:41 *** mode/#openttd [+o TrueBrain] by DorpsGek 14:37:41 *** Jupix [~jupix@dsl-lprbrasgw1-fee4df00-82.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 14:37:48 *** mode/#openttd [-b *!~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] by TrueBrain 14:37:51 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad00e82.bb.sky.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:37:54 *** mode/#openttd [-o TrueBrain] by TrueBrain 14:37:55 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 14:38:09 <TrueBrain> CommanderZ: OpenTTD, sort of, once was .. but 0.1 wasn't that version :p 14:38:11 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad00e82.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 14:38:14 * yorick says what tb expects /me to say 14:38:15 <TrueBrain> it was missing more stuff then it contained :) 14:38:26 <Ammler> TrueBrain: doesn't DorpsGek have timeout for ban? 14:38:30 * TrueBrain does what yorick expects /me to do 14:38:46 <Ammler> so you don't need to think about your bans :-) 14:38:51 <TrueBrain> Ammler: dunno 14:38:53 * dih sits in the middle and does not dare to move 14:38:56 <TrueBrain> never banned someone long enoguh for that 14:39:01 <TrueBrain> dih: good boy :) 14:39:07 <dih> long enough for what? 14:39:13 * yorick hugs dih :) 14:39:27 <TrueBrain> CommanderZ: in the beginning there was this policy that every new feature in OpenTTD should be switchable, so you could always have the TTD gameplay 14:39:28 <dih> get off! 14:39:37 <TrueBrain> somewhere (and thank god for that), this requirement was removed :p 14:40:17 <Ammler> TrueBrain: kban [<channel>] [--{exact,nick,user,host}] <nick> [<seconds>] [<reason>] 14:40:36 <TrueBrain> Ammler: tnx, can I test it on you? :p 14:40:48 <Kloopy> @op 14:40:49 <Ammler> :P 14:40:49 *** CommanderZ [~matej@r9fi34.net.upc.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:40:50 <Kloopy> :( 14:40:57 <dih> loooooooser! 14:41:08 <TrueBrain> lol 14:41:10 <TrueBrain> kindergarten 14:41:34 <dih> you dont really think one would leave a bot to op the op-en world 14:43:34 <TrueBrain> that almost didn't make sense 14:43:56 <dih> _almost_ is a key word in that line ;-) 14:44:04 <dih> makes all the difference 14:44:06 <TrueBrain> you think? 14:44:06 <TrueBrain> :) 14:44:13 <TrueBrain> I thought it was the word 'make' 14:44:19 <TrueBrain> but maybe I should add a comma there 14:44:20 <TrueBrain> (lol :p) 14:44:21 <dih> yeah - i do think - yorick is the one that does not think 14:44:36 <TrueBrain> dih: now be nice to that kid 14:44:43 <dih> i was! 14:44:45 <dih> :-D 14:44:54 <dih> hehe 14:44:58 <TrueBrain> if that is your way of being nice, we really need a long talk soon, my son 14:44:59 <TrueBrain> (LOL!) 14:45:17 <TrueBrain> Luke! I am your Father! 14:45:26 <dih> "my son"?? 14:45:31 <TrueBrain> haha 14:45:34 <dih> you gotta be kidding me 14:45:36 * TrueBrain is having fun here :) 14:45:39 <dih> DV was older than Luke 14:45:58 <dih> oh - and you just made yourself the evil one :-D 14:45:59 <dih> hehe 14:46:14 <TrueBrain> @mode +m 14:46:17 *** mode/#openttd [+m] by DorpsGek 14:46:27 *** mode/#openttd [-m] by DorpsGek 14:46:30 <TrueBrain> how is that for evil? :p 14:46:41 <dih> uh... scared :-P 14:46:58 <TrueBrain> okay, I am going to get some food, do some rock climbing ... have a good day all :) 14:47:10 <dih> you too pawpaw 14:47:39 <dih> daaaass waydaaa 14:47:42 * yorick still feels like being banned 14:48:16 * dih thinks yorick WANTS to be banned 14:48:35 <yorick> dih: more like I want to be unbanned 14:48:43 <Tim> If someone would give me rights, i would edit the 0.7 roadmap as soon as i find time for it... 14:50:56 <dih> nice try Tim :-D 14:51:13 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm143.epsilon121.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 14:51:24 <Tim> hehe 14:52:41 <Tim> Just wanna help :) 14:52:58 <dih> yeah - most of us do :-P 14:53:03 <dih> :-D 14:53:16 <Tim> Can i create sub-pages for my userpage? 14:53:20 <yorick> yes 14:53:24 <Ammler> TrueBrain: small diff for about page: http://wiki.openttd.org/wiki/index.php?title=Website%2FAbout&diff=29091&oldid=29031 14:53:44 <dih> Tim: did you try? 14:54:22 <Tim> Ah yes, should work 14:55:25 <Tim> Hm, then i'll try to work on that stuff there 14:57:01 <Tim> But you could tell me how to link to that subpage :) 14:57:49 <yorick> the news headers seem fixed to the english page 14:58:14 <Tim> Ah ok, works... 14:59:19 * Celestar wishes the UK would go-ahead with the UK Ultraspeed project :P 15:00:06 <dih> whats that - ultra fast to hell? 15:00:16 <dih> flood london (leave the great barrier open) :-P 15:00:42 <Celestar> dih: no, a Transrapid network for UK 15:00:58 <dih> excluding a oxford - cambridge line 15:01:04 <dih> as that would go against all rules 15:01:35 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-115-197.prem.tmns.net.au] has quit [] 15:01:59 <Celestar> as we only have idiots in government in Germany trying to bomb this country back to the stone age 15:02:49 <Tim> like whom? 15:03:40 <Brianetta> Ultraspeed: www.500kmh.com 15:04:46 <dih> cute 15:05:13 <Celestar> Tim: er .. like everyone. We don't build highways, we don't build railways and we don't build airports. We also don't want research, especially in genetics or nuclear physics. 15:06:29 <Celestar> Our railway and road system is in a really sorry state 15:07:01 <Ammler> well, you need to catch up the whole easy 15:07:06 <Ammler> east 15:07:38 <Celestar> the east is caught up pretty well, infrastructure-wise 15:07:43 <dih> there is one thing i really dislike about transrapid 15:07:46 <dih> the switches 15:08:00 <Celestar> dih: yeah, but you need very few of them 15:09:44 <dih> none the less, they are ugly 15:10:01 <Brianetta> You need something like ten of them, across 700 miles 15:10:03 <peter1138> That doesn't stop people layout them down horribly. 15:10:13 <Celestar> er .. who cares about their ugliness 15:10:19 <Celestar> Brianetta: yeah, maybe twelve 15:10:33 <dih> i care about uglyness 15:10:44 <peter1138> Dih cares! 15:10:45 <dih> a wrong switch will turn out really horribly :-P 15:10:52 * dih slaps peter1138 15:11:04 <dih> with a lower-case d 15:11:04 <yorick> NO! 15:11:07 <dih> shush 15:11:23 <yorick> err...I mean...YES! offcourse :) 15:11:26 <peter1138> Yorick! 15:11:34 * yorick slaps peter1138 15:11:40 <yorick> lower-case-d 15:11:51 <peter1138> dorick! 15:12:00 <dih> i prefer yorky-porky 15:12:17 * dih hides 15:12:53 <dih> peter1138: forgive him, he does not know what he's doing :-P 15:13:14 <yorick> dih: does anyone? 15:14:03 <dih> forgive you? hide? or prefer yorky-porky? 15:14:31 <yorick> know what I'm doing 15:14:34 <SpComb> Celestar: so what countries have better road/rail networks than germany? 15:14:41 <Rubidium> Japan! 15:14:49 <yorick> Belgium! 15:15:22 <Celestar> SpComb: Rail? France, Japan, Switzerland ... 15:16:13 <Celestar> Road? Austria, Switzerland, Italy, France, USA, ... (haven't been to that many) 15:16:28 <Celestar> SpComb: Rail Travel Times are just laughable 15:16:39 <Rubidium> roads in the NL are better than in Italy 15:16:59 <Celestar> 5.5 hours Munich-Berlin, where 4 hours should be maximum and 2.5 hours is not even technically challenging :S 15:18:03 <Celestar> but no, we have fecking Greens all over the country. They want no highways, no high-speed rails, no airports, no wind power plants, no water power plants, no coal power plants, no nuclear power plants, no genetic research. Man. Shoot them back to the stone age. 15:18:26 <FauxFaux> The UK! (HAHHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHHAAHAAAAAAAAAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAAAHHAHAAAAAAAAAHAHHHA) 15:18:33 <dih> bloody spammer 15:18:39 <Rubidium> Celestar: wouldn't it be more green to not feed them? 15:19:02 <yorick> why no wind power plants? 15:19:30 <dih> because then the smell of the sheep dung would stay in the country 15:19:31 <Rubidium> they kill birds 15:19:37 <dih> :-P 15:19:47 <Rubidium> and hydroplants kill fish 15:19:48 <Celestar> yorick: they're too loud, apparently. 15:19:56 <dih> wow 15:20:03 *** KillaloT [~killalot@0x5738cccf.rdnqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 15:20:03 *** Tim [~Tim@p5B37CBD9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:20:05 <yorick> then what? 15:20:15 <dih> import 15:20:25 <Rubidium> Celestar: actually, they're not loud enough; otherwise birds wouldn't fly into them ;) 15:20:27 <dih> hambster in a wheel 15:20:31 <dih> gnah 15:20:42 <Celestar> Greens are dangerous 15:20:44 <SpComb> hide all the coal power plants in china and then just ship the electricity over 15:20:46 <Rubidium> yorick: no electricity ofcourse 15:20:52 <FauxFaux> Yeah, fit large, radioactive sirens to them, that'll keep the birds away. 15:21:01 <dih> SpComb: and then send another bomb :-P 15:21:04 <yorick> dih: that would make too much noise 15:21:20 <dih> the hapster or the bomb? 15:21:22 <dih> :-P 15:21:32 <Rubidium> problem is that you can't transport electricity that far 15:21:34 <Celestar> SpComb: this is exactly what is happening now. No actually, it is happening the other way: Energy-intensive industries move out of Germany; mostly taking the jobs with them. 15:21:46 *** Dr_Jekyll [Dr_Jekyll@p57B0C580.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:22:03 <Celestar> Rubidium: you needn't go to China. You can just build nuclears on the German borders. 15:22:28 <Celestar> Thanks to The Greens and associated idiots, we've also sold all the nuclear know-how as well. 15:22:36 *** Tim [~Tim@p5B37CBD9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:23:28 <yorick> how to calculate height differences? 15:23:46 <Celestar> delta h = h2 - h1 15:24:09 <yorick> ... 15:24:10 <lobster> oooh 15:24:22 <lobster> new flashy website design is new and flashy 15:24:43 <yorick> the new flashy website design is only new, not flashy 15:25:28 <lobster> yet no general download page, how odd 15:25:41 <Rubidium> and in Europe some radiation treatments aren't being conducted because there aren't enough radioactive isotopes (because they have to stop NL's only nuclear reactor) 15:26:17 <yorick> and they also stopped building a new one 15:27:07 <Rubidium> so until at least the end of October there's a shortage of medical isotopes in Europe 15:27:51 <lobster> i overheard my girlfriend's dad talking about that 15:28:13 <Celestar> SpComb: look at this, it's nothing short of embarrassing: http://www.railwaygazette.com/uploads/media/RailwayGazetteWorldSpeedSurvey2007_01.pdf 15:28:13 <yorick> my dad is talking about it... 15:28:17 <lobster> he's a manager in the "zorg", so he had a few cases of things being delayed because of this very problem 15:28:33 <yorick> I'm not lobster's girlfriend, am I? 15:29:31 <Belugas> naaa, you're mine, sweety 15:30:03 <yorick> how do I get the height of the heighest corner of a tile? 15:30:52 <Rubidium> yorick: learn how to use grep 15:31:18 <yorick> that's like having a search engine in front of your screen without knowing the query 15:31:30 <Rubidium> try corner and high 15:31:38 <Belugas> +e 15:31:41 <Rubidium> or even try: highest and corner! 15:31:42 <Belugas> +t 15:32:03 <Rubidium> or... what about 15:32:08 <Rubidium> or... what about "highest corner"? 15:32:27 <yorick> nah 15:32:39 <Ammler> Rubidium: ottd trunk does still use only one palette? And if the NewGRF differ from base grf, it will be converted "on-the-fly"? 15:32:44 <yorick> that's far too obvious 15:32:54 <Belugas> or read header files like map or tiles? 15:33:14 <SmatZ> yorick: GetTileMaxZ or so 15:33:19 <Rubidium> Ammler: that's the idea 15:33:45 <Brianetta> It's automagical 15:33:46 <dih> lobster: http://binaries.openttd.org/ 15:33:47 <yorick> SmatZ: and how do I make that relative? 15:33:48 <Ammler> well, then I understand, why you should still use all GRFs from same palette. 15:34:07 <SmatZ> yorick: relative to what? 15:34:20 <yorick> relative to 2 tiles below or above it 15:34:35 <Brianetta> Ammler: With the 8bpp graphics, the entire screen is like a PCX composite using one palette. 15:34:36 <yorick> I would like to see if a tile is 2 tiles above another one 15:35:02 <dih> yorick: use your eyes :-P 15:35:05 <SmatZ> yorick: I don't know what you mean, but 'minus' and 'abs' are your friends 15:35:09 <Brianetta> yorick: Use maths. 15:35:20 <Brianetta> You know how wide the map is. 15:35:44 <yorick> problem is that GetTileMaxZ returns something that's around 60 15:35:54 <yorick> 64...56 15:35:54 <SmatZ> yorick: /8 15:36:00 <yorick> why /8? 15:36:44 <SmatZ> TILE_HEIGHT = 8, ///< The standard height-difference between tiles on two levels is 8 (z-diff 8) 15:36:49 <yorick> OH 15:36:52 <yorick> oh* 15:36:54 <yorick> hm 15:36:56 <Belugas> baby feeding time... 15:36:59 <yorick> :* 15:38:23 <SpComb> Celestar: I didn't read it completely, but Germany's stats don't seem to be *that* bad 15:38:37 <SpComb> it's not the best in the world, but it wast at least 5th at something or other 15:38:47 * dih feeds Belugas :-P 15:39:07 <Rubidium> SpComb: but it doesn't show the direction the speed is going (like down for Germany and up for Japan) 15:40:23 <SpComb> sure, the competition is fierce 15:40:46 <SpComb> if your definition of "a good railroad network" is "better than anyone else", then it might be a bit difficult, yes 15:40:48 <Rubidium> I'm talking about absolute speed, not their place on the list 15:46:45 *** fester64x2 [~fester@24.115.126.1.res-cmts.wtn.ptd.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:46:51 <Celestar> SpComb: yes at first glace. However, you will notice that the first 5 of our entries are one and the same route, just different stopovers. 15:47:26 * Celestar wonders how a stopover in a middle of a 300km/h track costs only 4 minutes. 15:50:12 <Celestar> Frankfurt Airport - Siegburg (144km): non-stop 37 minutes. Frankfurt Airport - Montabaur (81km) - Siegburg (63km): 41 minutes (plus 2 minutes stopping time) 15:50:17 *** giftnudel [~mb@frnk-590ee935.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:50:41 <Celestar> I know the ICE3 accelerates very fast, but this seems a little much 15:50:49 <dih> ICE usually stops for 2 minutes at each station 15:50:58 <dih> +- 15:51:04 <dih> plus DB is generally late 15:51:09 <dih> and slow 15:51:16 <Celestar> slow is true :S 15:51:29 <Celestar> Munich-Lindau 2hours 5 minutes \o/ 15:51:47 <Ammler> according to DBSet, acceleration of the ICE isn't that fast :-) 15:52:19 <SpComb> most of my personal experience with german railroads consists of playing TTD with the DBSet 15:52:27 <Celestar> 2 hours 50 minutes. Sorry. 15:52:47 *** Tim [~Tim@p5B37CBD9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:52:48 <Celestar> on a good day, I need 1:20 by car, at normal speeds 15:52:53 <Celestar> I did it in 1:00 once :P 15:53:12 <Celestar> January 1st, 2000. :D 15:53:15 <dih> define 'normal speed' 15:53:18 <Celestar> dih: 130km/h 15:53:23 <Celestar> on highway. 15:53:42 <dih> from karslruhe to where my parents live i usually need 2 hours 15:53:42 * Ammler has 1 hour with train to ZÃŒrich, around 55mins with car. 15:53:48 <dih> i once did it in 1.5 15:53:51 <dih> :-P 15:54:13 <Celestar> my personal record was Munich-Essen in 4:00 15:54:15 <Ammler> (90% highway) 15:54:21 <dih> nice :-) 15:54:25 <dih> how fast did ya go? 15:54:27 <dih> 220? 15:54:30 <Celestar> however, I left Munich at 1 in the morning. 15:54:34 <Celestar> dih: yeah, about. 15:54:44 *** rortom [~rortom@p57B7E503.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:54:52 <Ammler> no respect to nature :P 15:55:11 <Celestar> I once did it in 4:10 in a Ford Mondeo at 16l/100km, and the 4:00 was a BMW 530d with 10l/100km :P 15:55:14 <dih> i did the 1.5 h trip at 190 and it used about 6lieters/100KM 15:56:01 <peter1138> mpg! 15:56:37 <dih> that's about 115-120 mph 15:56:47 <dih> trip is 200km 15:56:58 <dih> perhaps a wee bit more 15:57:35 <dih> so that's 65?miles to 100km 15:58:05 <dih> or use @convert :-P 15:58:15 <Celestar> peter1138: well that's easy. 28mpg for the BMW, 17 mpg for the Ford (both at a cruise speed around 130mph). 15:58:21 <Celestar> (imperial gallons) 15:58:41 <Celestar> Ford took 10 minutes longer, because I needed to refill once :P 15:58:47 <dih> hehe 15:58:54 <dih> you did not manage to do that in 6.5 seconds? 15:58:56 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 15:59:11 <FauxFaux> "Cruise speed of 130mph" <3 15:59:14 <Celestar> I filled up in Munich and was empty at Frankfurt Airport. 15:59:23 <Celestar> FauxFaux: :D 15:59:33 <dih> laters ladies 15:59:48 <FauxFaux> There's a 40mph speed limit on the dual carriageway I use frequently. 15:59:51 <yorick> laters dih 16:00:05 <Belugas> bye sweety 16:01:02 <Celestar> hm. 16:01:09 <Celestar> 26 EUR for a 17 minutes train ride :o 16:01:42 <Celestar> one-way :o 16:01:51 * Celestar blinks 16:03:13 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 16:05:41 <Celestar> SpComb: you know what is embarrassing? The DB has the fastest train in the world. And that train cannot reach is certified in Germany anywhere and reaches its maximum service speed on its trips to France. 16:06:33 *** grumbel [~grumbel@i577BB99F.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 16:06:41 <SpComb> wha, the fastest train in the world? :o 16:06:47 <Brianetta> Operational train. 16:06:57 <SpComb> what's that definition mean? 16:06:58 <Brianetta> The SNCF have a faster TGV, but only one unit. 16:07:06 <Brianetta> It's not in revenue service. 16:07:22 <SpComb> is this the ICE3? 16:07:57 <Celestar> SpComb: yes. and it's international version, the Velaro 16:08:53 <Celestar> Brianetta: that TGV does afaik no longer exist. It has been specially modified for the 580km/h ride, and it required modification to the external infrastructure as well (higher voltage, higher maximum amps, etc etc). 16:09:04 <Celestar> the ICE3 is *certified* for 330km/h 16:09:37 <planetmaker> Celestar: doesn't it reach that velocity between Frankfurt aM and Cologne, the Sprinter service? 16:09:41 <Celestar> (not sure, but afaik the Velaro is certified for 350km/h). 16:10:02 <Celestar> planetmaker: it used to, but the track has been limited to 300km/h. 16:10:12 <Brianetta> OpenTTD could do with a set of free base grf files for dedicated servers. The sprites could just be empty rectangles of the correct size. 16:10:14 <planetmaker> hehe. Why the hell that? 16:10:23 <Celestar> planetmaker: I don't the hell know. 16:10:33 <planetmaker> bloody hell :P 16:10:52 <Celestar> planetmaker: you know why the Greens are against building new high-speed rails (like Hannover-Hamburg)? 16:11:07 <Ammler> Brianetta: I have already played with that a little, failed on sample.cat 16:11:09 <Brianetta> They think you should cycle 16:11:12 <planetmaker> not really. I didn't even really know that they were. 16:11:23 <planetmaker> why? 16:12:25 <Celestar> planetmaker: because the energy consumption of a fast train is higher than that of a slow train and that's bad. It is apparently better that the people use 1-passenger-occupancy cars and planes instead 16:12:48 <planetmaker> :P 16:12:54 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 16:13:02 <planetmaker> "think again" is what then comes first into my mind what to tell them 16:13:29 <Celestar> think and Green are apparently mutually exclusive :P 16:14:07 <planetmaker> I hope not always :) 16:14:31 <planetmaker> they might end up in governement again. 16:14:35 <Celestar> In germany, it seems so ... 16:14:50 <Celestar> you mean Red-Yellow-Green? ;) 16:15:24 <planetmaker> whatever. Maybe. Currently I'm not sure about the sanity of most politicians in Berlin. 16:15:38 <Sacro> oh god 16:15:42 <Sacro> memories of 1939 16:16:57 <Celestar> planetmaker: neither am I 16:17:06 <Celestar> planetmaker: as long as the Lefties stay out ... 16:17:52 <planetmaker> oh, yeah. They're a bunch of former "Bonzen" and a talented demagogue 16:18:09 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has joined #openttd 16:23:10 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:23:44 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 16:23:54 *** sulai [~Miranda@p5B2B613F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:24:55 <Brianetta> Has Michael Blunck always been a twat? 16:25:41 <yorick> if he has ever not, then not 16:26:18 <lobster> well, he's a bit DaleStan-ish towards the lesser knowing... where now, Brianetta? 16:26:57 <Brianetta> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=38749 16:27:15 <Brianetta> He seems absolutely vitriolic in his hatred of OpenTTD 16:27:22 <Brianetta> I've never seen anything like it 16:27:59 <Brianetta> I'm seriously considering pulling his newgrfs from my server 16:28:57 <Rubidium> Brianetta: I'm not debugging anything that requires any of OzTransLtd GRFs 16:29:09 <Brianetta> Who? 16:29:38 <Rubidium> the guy of canadian somestuff 0.3.doesn't.exist.anymore 16:29:39 <planetmaker> canset 16:30:22 <Ammler> you take that a little bit too personally... 16:30:31 <planetmaker> Brianetta: removing MB's grfs completely is difficult. IIRC there're some sprites even in openttdw.grf... 16:30:36 *** sulai [~Miranda@p5B2B613F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 16:30:49 <Rubidium> Ammler: I am? 16:30:51 <Brianetta> planetmaker: That's GPL 16:31:04 <planetmaker> the point? 16:31:37 <Brianetta> There's no future vitriol 16:31:53 <Ammler> it is not just OzTransLtd GRFs, he is only the coder... 16:32:02 <Brianetta> His readmes (which he calls DoNotReadMes) are no longer, in my eyes, acceptable licenses 16:32:11 <planetmaker> besidedes, the thread you dug out (or some other) - he wrote that a month ago. Though completely off... it's not really worth to bother about it. 16:32:26 <Brianetta> since he's already had a go at the openttdcoop lot for distributing his grfs on a web page with the readme 16:32:32 <Brianetta> without having them in an archive 16:32:36 <planetmaker> After all... that doesn't help things and his grf really look nice - as actually also do the canset things. 16:32:49 <Brianetta> his grf is nice, sure 16:32:59 <Brianetta> but clearly it's only intended for Patch 16:33:25 <Ammler> he is also very active on the german translation thread... 16:33:42 <Brianetta> Is he translating for OpenTTD, Patch or just whingeing about it? 16:33:47 <planetmaker> yeah... arguing for the spelling around 1830... 16:34:22 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:34:38 <Celestar> *sigh* 16:34:45 <Celestar> people just let MB yell and ignore him 16:34:52 <planetmaker> ^^ yeah. 16:35:01 <Rubidium> Celestar: been doing that for a long time already 16:35:13 <Celestar> :/ cyrus has mysteriously managed to duplicate all e-mails in my inbox 16:35:21 <Celestar> and now yells at me for exceeding my quota 16:35:28 <planetmaker> lol 16:35:50 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fe8b6.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 16:36:00 <Ammler> Celestar: dovecot 16:36:08 <Celestar> Ammler: ? 16:36:14 <planetmaker> Rubidium: it doesn't help those people to become better - but it certainly helps the channel / forum atmosphere :) 16:36:42 <planetmaker> err... in a way as arguing senselessly doesn't help anyone. 16:36:56 <planetmaker> (not implying that you are as bad :) ) 16:38:04 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 16:39:05 <Ammler> Celestar: my imap/pop server 16:40:06 *** De_Ghosty [~s@206-248-191-33.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:41:02 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 16:41:28 *** sulai [~Miranda@p5B2B613F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:41:31 <planetmaker> ... well blah blah. Just wanted to say: full ack :P 16:42:04 <sulai> hi there ;) 16:42:17 <planetmaker> si tacuissem... 16:42:38 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm143.epsilon121.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:43:06 <Swallow> =if you had been silent? 16:44:15 <yorick> quite. 16:46:33 <Swallow> Also I'd like to report a minor cargodest issue... 16:46:48 <Swallow> Moving a station does not update the route cache 16:47:03 <yorick> Celestar: ping @ Swallow 16:47:17 *** De_Ghosty [~s@206-248-181-182.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #openttd 16:47:21 <yorick> acceptance change should 16:47:44 <planetmaker> [18:43] <Swallow> =if you had been silent? <-- yeah. Been talking rubish and that too much :P 16:48:19 <yorick> what? 16:48:41 <Celestar> yorick: ? 16:48:50 <yorick> Swallow> Moving a station does not update the route cache 16:50:38 *** KUDr [KUDr@mazanec1.netbox.cz] has joined #openttd 16:51:15 <yorick> KUDr, we missed you and all :) 16:51:29 <Celestar> KUDr: :o 16:51:32 <Celestar> hi :D 16:51:47 *** Aylomen [~a@DSL01.83.171.166.253.ip-pool.NEFkom.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:52:00 <KUDr> hello 16:52:02 <yorick> is this the part where we turn out to be missing another kudr? 16:52:36 <KUDr> heh, who missed me and why? 16:52:45 <yorick> 2/3 of the channel 16:52:54 <Celestar> me for example 16:53:09 <Ammler> how would the nightly server show OSX builds, when they are there? 16:53:12 <KUDr> huh, really? I would tell that 2/3 don't know me 16:53:26 <Ammler> like Linux: linux-generic-i686 16:53:28 <yorick> Celestar for example 16:53:39 <ln> i think KUDr was last mentioned when the explicit destructor calls were under discussion. 16:53:44 <KUDr> :) yes, Celestak knows me well 16:53:48 <KUDr> r 16:53:49 <yorick> celestar makes up 2/3 of the channel by his own 16:53:49 <Belugas> too humble :) they all know who you are, your name is on our About ;) 16:53:49 <Celestar> @seen KUDr 16:53:49 <DorpsGek> Celestar: KUDr was last seen in #openttd 1 second ago: <KUDr> r 16:53:54 <Rubidium> Ammler: like osx I think 16:54:03 <Celestar> ln: I think you are right 16:54:04 <Ammler> that short? 16:54:21 <Rubidium> are there many OSX flavours? 16:54:57 <Rubidium> Ammler: or should we call it osx-crappy-stupid-apple-will-not-work-on-intel-leotard-because-they-got-annoyed 16:55:13 <Ammler> hehe, yeah, I take that :-) 16:56:07 <Rubidium> anyhow, they'll be called just like the releases are called 16:56:23 <Rubidium> just like for the other OSes 16:57:47 <Ammler> oh, there are osxs already 17:00:08 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 17:05:09 <Brianetta> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=729187#p729187 17:05:12 <Brianetta> There we go. 17:05:14 <Brianetta> I'm off home. 17:05:18 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-3-70-101.manc.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 17:05:54 <Celestar> I've gotta go 17:07:04 *** sleepman424 [~evanseeds@lawn-128-61-127-87.lawn.gatech.edu] has joined #openttd 17:08:52 * peter1138 returns. 17:09:29 *** sleepman424 is now known as lilman424 17:10:35 <peter1138> Hmm well... 17:14:19 *** Celestar [~Jadzia_Da@129.187.69.65] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:14:47 <Ammler> is there also a "locical" way from finger to the repos? 17:15:21 <peter1138> What is 'locical'? 17:16:07 *** Yeggstry [~mind@cpc1-rdng14-0-0-cust946.winn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 17:16:44 <Ammler> :-) that might be the question... 17:17:36 <yorick> rephrase? 17:19:23 <Ammler> the custom repos seems be made randomly... 17:20:35 <peter1138> Logical, do you mean, maybe? 17:21:05 <Ammler> ah. yep. 17:25:07 <yorick> http://www.tt-forums.net/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=21088 <-- I would not mind if he was banned from the openttd section, he keeps bumping old topics 17:26:50 <lilman424> i downloaded what i believe to be the latest version of the OpenGFX rail vehicles, and the wood and steel trucks have some nice pretty white lines on the / diagonal 17:29:22 <Ammler> lilman424: check the 8bpp topic and report it, if not already done... 17:29:32 <lilman424> k 17:31:28 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@e179092176.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 17:33:41 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@79.0.236.137] has joined #openttd 17:34:01 <Wolf01> hello 17:35:32 <ln> ciaö 17:35:40 *** Jezral [~projectjj@85.27.135.237] has joined #openttd 17:37:04 <Ammler> lilman424: I reported something similar, but I guess, current process is stocked because of License questions... 17:37:39 <yorick> I don't see their problems... 17:38:43 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g226219009.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:38:43 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 17:39:10 <peter1138> stocked? 17:39:34 <Ammler> oh, is that also wrong? 17:39:44 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@85.27.135.237] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:39:46 <SmatZ> yorick: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=39523 <== here you can see their problems 17:39:57 <Ammler> mÀh, I have no dictionary currently :-) 17:39:57 <yorick> :-p 17:40:34 <Ammler> well, but stocked isn't that wrong, is it? 17:40:47 <Ammler> like paused... 17:40:48 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A43482.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:42:22 *** Jezral is now known as TinoDidriksen 17:42:47 * peter1138 listens to Mogwai - Rock Action 17:43:33 <yorick> "Commercial use by OpenTTD - Very happy" NEVER put OpenTTD and commercial together on the same line 17:43:58 <Ammler> why? 17:44:07 <yorick> OpenTTD != commercial 17:44:20 <Ammler> I have pressed already some CDs :P 17:44:35 <SmatZ> [19:44:09] <yorick> OpenTTD != commercial <== you just "put OpenTTD and commercial together on the same line" 17:44:51 <yorick> != is exception 17:45:37 <Ammler> who would stop you from selling OpenTTD? 17:45:44 <yorick> the gpl? 17:45:56 <Ammler> you might need to read it... 17:46:21 <yorick> heh 17:47:14 <yorick> what kind of sprite sorter puts aqueducts behind dock roofs? 17:49:11 <yorick> what kind of sprite sorter doesn't see the difference between canal sprites and aqueduct sprites? 17:51:57 <sulai> Hey guys... I think there is a little bug in web translator2, which keeps me from updating the german translation 17:52:06 <sulai> with who could I talk about that? 17:52:28 <yorick> mihamix 17:52:56 <sulai> is he often here in #openttd? 17:53:02 <yorick> yes 17:53:07 <peter1138> No he's not. 17:53:11 <peter1138> @seen mihamix 17:53:11 <DorpsGek> peter1138: mihamix was last seen in #openttd 34 weeks, 6 days, 21 hours, 31 minutes, and 33 seconds ago: <MiHaMiX> s/t$/d/ 17:53:19 <yorick> he doest say much 17:53:22 <yorick> @seen miham 17:53:22 <DorpsGek> yorick: I have not seen miham. 17:53:42 <sulai> okay... I'll send him a mail 17:53:42 <yorick> try #openttd.wt2 17:53:48 <sulai> I will do 17:53:58 <Belugas> # HEAD DOWN 17:54:09 <planetmaker> @seen miham* 17:54:09 <DorpsGek> planetmaker: miham* could be MiHaMeK (32 weeks, 4 days, 23 hours, 6 minutes, and 59 seconds ago) or MiHaMiX (34 weeks, 6 days, 21 hours, 32 minutes, and 30 seconds ago) 17:55:29 <sulai> he is in #openttd.wt2 17:55:56 <yorick> he always is 17:59:08 <sulai> Maybe you guys can help me too 17:59:39 <sulai> In the german lang file, when using: 17:59:41 <sulai> {G "einen " "eine " "ein " ""} 18:00:10 <sulai> this should accepted by OTTD as "G" with 4 parameters, shouldn't it? 18:00:15 <sulai> does it? 18:00:47 <sulai> note the space after the word "einen" 18:02:58 <Rubidium> well, strgen doesn't support that 18:03:36 *** lilman424 [~evanseeds@lawn-128-61-127-87.lawn.gatech.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:03:56 <sulai> Rubidium it does not? hm... this is interesting 18:04:14 <Rubidium> have you actually tried it in strgen first? 18:05:06 <sulai> I've just compiled it using mingw... that worked fine 18:06:50 <Rubidium> ah, shouldn't add a gender too as that breaks the file on many places 18:07:29 <sulai> we've updated all occurences of {G ...} 18:13:20 *** thingwath [~thingwath@147.251.200.254] has joined #openttd 18:13:50 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@147.251.215.232] has joined #openttd 18:22:37 *** lilman424 [~evanseeds@lawn-128-61-127-87.lawn.gatech.edu] has joined #openttd 18:24:11 <Prof_Frink> Aargh! 18:24:42 <Prof_Frink> I do believe that's the first time I've had to do that in #openttd. 18:24:52 <peter1138> What, "Aargh!" ? 18:25:12 <Prof_Frink> Yes. 18:26:36 <peter1138> Why as that required? 18:27:17 <Prof_Frink> For reasons older than openttd. 18:28:06 <peter1138> And I shall go Aargh! at sites that now require VBV :o 18:39:16 *** lilman424 [~evanseeds@lawn-128-61-127-87.lawn.gatech.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:39:29 *** Mark [~M4rk@5ED06C8E.cable.ziggo.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:39:58 *** Tim [~Tim@p5B37F8F2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:40:34 *** Mark [~M4rk@5ED06C8E.cable.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 18:40:37 *** Mark is now known as M4rk 18:40:40 *** M4rk is now known as Mark 18:54:07 *** pid00 [~pie@z.bsnet.se] has joined #openttd 18:54:14 *** Mark [~M4rk@5ED06C8E.cable.ziggo.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:54:43 *** Mark [~M4rk@5ED06C8E.cable.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 18:54:46 *** Mark is now known as M4rk 18:54:49 *** M4rk is now known as Mark 18:57:53 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0.1/2008070208]] 18:58:12 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 19:01:11 *** FR^2 [~frquadrat@oscar.frquadrat.de] has joined #openttd 19:07:04 *** Aylomen [~a@DSL01.83.171.166.253.ip-pool.NEFkom.net] has joined #openttd 19:08:22 <yorick> r14332 is also going to be backported to 0.6? 19:09:13 <Belugas> dunno. i don't know how the savegame bump will affect 0.6 vs nightlies 19:09:21 <Belugas> not to me to tell, honestly 19:09:27 <Belugas> THOSE who KNOW 19:09:50 <Belugas> plus, it's not as much a bug as it is a re-balancing ;) 19:09:56 <frosch123> could be 0.6.5 :p 19:10:03 <peter1138> 14332? Nope. 19:10:29 <peter1138> It's not a bug-fix per-se. 19:10:50 <peter1138> It's a "OMG I DON'T LIKE THIS BEHAVIOUR" fix 19:10:59 <yorick> it is a "fix" 19:11:05 <Belugas> nope 19:11:10 <Belugas> it was noted as fix 19:11:20 <yorick> then I call it a "fix" 19:11:25 <peter1138> Should be a -Feature 19:11:26 <Belugas> but i had no iead on how to call it 19:11:41 <peter1138> But, never mind. 19:12:11 <peter1138> 80GB! 19:12:28 <Belugas> -Rebalancing(BiggerMaps): 19:12:43 <Belugas> the valid keywords are... 19:12:47 <Forked> someone make a song about peter and his gigabytes.. 19:12:56 <Rubidium> peter1138: how many gigabits to go? 19:13:28 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@g226192244.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 19:15:03 *** Zahl [~Zahl@e179092176.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:15:29 *** KillaloT [~killalot@0x5738cccf.rdnqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:19:46 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-3-70-101.manc.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 19:20:39 *** Tim_ [~Tim@p5B37DDEA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:22:29 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@g226192244.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:23:16 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a46ad5.virnxx14.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 19:23:19 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 19:23:44 *** NukeBuster [~NukeBuste@80.101.115.82] has joined #openttd 19:23:53 *** rortom_ [~rortom@p57B7E503.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:26:37 *** rortom__ [~rortom@p57B7E503.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:27:38 *** Tim [~Tim@p5B37F8F2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:30:39 *** rortom [~rortom@p57B7E503.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:32:21 <welshdragon> that was a busy join/part period 19:32:39 <Forked> who won? 19:32:51 <Bjarni> you 19:33:11 <Forked> that's not fair, I always win 19:33:19 <Bjarni> not you, you 19:33:32 *** rortom_ [~rortom@p57B7E503.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:33:39 <Bjarni> damn 19:33:43 <Bjarni> now the winner left 19:34:41 <sulai> I'm not sure, is this a bug: when I enable "show building tools when no suitable vehicles are available", then I can't build stuff like monorail 1950. Is something else meant by this setting, or is this setting broken? 19:34:53 <murray> http://www.cyriak.co.uk/lhc/lhc-webcams.html 19:35:05 <Forked> pretty old by now that link :) 19:35:14 <murray> oh :p 19:35:38 <Bjarni> murray: fake :P 19:35:51 <murray> no way ! :p 19:35:58 <Bjarni> it's not live 19:36:04 <Bjarni> it happened several days ago 19:36:13 <SmatZ> sulai: no bug 19:36:14 <murray> yeah but because of a time rift 19:36:16 <murray> we see it now 19:36:45 <Forked> I thought the rift was in Cardiff (source: Torchwood, Doctor Who spinoff series) 19:36:55 <sulai> SmatZ: what is meant by this setting then? 19:37:26 <SmatZ> sulai: it disables docks and such 19:37:32 <SmatZ> when you can't build ships 19:37:51 <sulai> oh, okay 19:43:58 *** Tim_ [~Tim@p5B37DDEA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:44:29 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Quit: AS A VAGINA ONCE SAID: <yorick> SOMEONE BAN HIM] 19:54:52 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/fail-owned-invisibility-win.jpg Poef!] 20:00:03 *** Aylomen [~a@DSL01.83.171.166.253.ip-pool.NEFkom.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:03:22 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 20:18:02 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-182-135.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 20:19:10 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A43482.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 20:19:20 *** Tim [~Tim@p5B37D616.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:22:12 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5E3B4.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 20:26:52 *** Zahl [~Zahl@e179059217.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 20:27:04 <peter1138> 81GB! 20:28:10 <Noldo> of what? 20:28:22 <Bjarni> txt files 20:28:24 <Bjarni> handwritten 20:28:31 <Noldo> ooooh 20:29:02 *** Tim_ [~Tim@p5B37F219.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:29:26 <Bjarni> I know a guy who filled a 20 mb HD with plain text files 20:29:41 <Bjarni> well, one mb was used for the text editor and the OS 20:29:43 *** FR^2 [~frquadrat@oscar.frquadrat.de] has quit [Quit: Connection reset by caffein depletion...] 20:29:43 <peter1138> millibit? 20:29:50 <Bjarni> *MB 20:30:26 <ln> can't dereference a non-pointer 20:33:08 *** NukeBuster [~NukeBuste@80.101.115.82] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:35:07 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fe8b6.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:35:29 *** Tim [~Tim@p5B37D616.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:37:31 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0.1/2008070208]] 20:37:31 * Belugas grabs his stuff and prepare to go home 20:38:03 <peter1138> Headphones! 20:39:08 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:39:30 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 20:41:56 * Belugas leaves his headphones on his desk for peter1138 to grab them 20:42:08 <Belugas> don't need them for today, bye bye :) 20:42:17 <Belugas> good eveningi/night 20:42:18 *** Celestar [~Jadzia_Da@mnch-5d873605.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 20:42:20 *** mode/#openttd [+o Celestar] by ChanServ 20:43:20 <Ammler> how do I update to the hg revison hc23c4457? 20:43:37 <peter1138> hg update -r c23c4457 or something? 20:43:46 <Ammler> didn't work 20:44:08 <Ammler> might it be, because it isn't the whole rev string? 20:44:47 <peter1138> Less of the commas 20:45:00 <Wolf01> 'night 20:45:03 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@79.0.236.137] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 20:46:57 <Eddi|zuHause> <Ammler> can I change the delimeter now only with custom currency? <- yes, currently only the currency separator can be changed. also, my patch doesn't touch currencies at all. 20:47:25 <Eddi|zuHause> <Celestar> ok yapp, cargodest, IS, newgrf_ports, railtypes, roadtypes ... maybe the next revision should be 0.8 :P <- throw in really_open_and_free_gfx and you can call it 1.0 ;) 20:47:34 <peter1138> Eddi|zuHause! 20:47:48 <Eddi|zuHause> that's me 20:50:21 <Ammler> does america also use "," as 1000er delimeter? 20:50:30 <Brianetta> yes 20:51:18 <Ammler> and britain, I assume? 20:51:34 <peter1138> Yes. 20:51:43 <peter1138> Because . is the decimal point... 20:51:57 <peter1138> Delimiter, of course. 20:52:57 <Ammler> we use also . as decimal delimiter but single quote (') as 1000er... 20:53:07 *** Tim_ [~Tim@p5B37F219.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com] 20:53:39 *** Celestar [~Jadzia_Da@mnch-5d873605.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:55:04 <Ammler> Eddi|zuHause: since you told about I need now the custom currency, never had problems before with those commans :P 20:55:07 <Ammler> -s 20:55:46 <Eddi|zuHause> i've used custom currency for ages 20:55:54 *** rortom_ [~rortom@p57B7E503.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:55:56 <Eddi|zuHause> ever since the ⬠used , as delimiter... 20:57:00 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... 17,92â¬... that's not gonna last long... 20:57:28 <Ammler> well, the custom currency is ok, so I can life if you patch for germans :-) 20:58:10 <Eddi|zuHause> well, the next thing would be a patch to use a language other than english as fallback 20:58:30 <Eddi|zuHause> then you can make a de_CH localisation without doing a full translation 20:58:48 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad00e82.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:58:59 <Eddi|zuHause> untranslated strings would then fall back to the regular german 21:00:37 <peter1138> de_AMMLER 21:02:39 *** rortom__ [~rortom@p57B7E503.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:05:44 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad103d2.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 21:07:24 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: [FATAL] Client error: Memory leak - More RAM needed. More! More! More!] 21:17:47 * dih hugs SmatZ 21:18:44 <dih> peter1138, not such a wise idea :-P 21:19:32 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@user-54470bf2.wfd82a.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:20:52 <peter1138> Surely not, Dihedral. 21:22:06 *** Gekz is now known as Gekz_ 21:22:51 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 21:23:04 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has left #openttd [] 21:23:08 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 21:24:13 *** Gekz_ [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:29:48 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 21:29:51 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 21:38:57 *** Chrill [~chrischri@c80-216-96-107.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 21:40:19 *** Zahl [~Zahl@e179059217.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: (~_~]"] 21:49:42 <sulai> using mingw i get a compilation error when trying to compile the latest revision 21:49:42 <sulai> aircraft_cmd.o:aircraft_cmd.cpp:(.text+0x5622): undefined reference to `EngineReplacement(EngineRenew*, unsigned short, unsigned short)' 21:49:50 <Phantasm> Hmmn.. 12 seconds to generate 2048x2048 map on sub-arctic with hard difficulity setting. 21:50:18 <Eddi|zuHause> [15.09.2008 20:00] <sulai> note the space after the word "einen" 21:50:19 <Eddi|zuHause> [15.09.2008 20:03] <Rubidium> well, strgen doesn't support that 21:50:42 <Eddi|zuHause> i've not seen any problems with it... why would strgen not tell that it has problems with that? 21:55:09 <sulai> did you actually test that message in question in-game? did it work? 21:55:46 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, i tested it (although a while back) 21:56:09 <Eddi|zuHause> like i said, the diff is over half a year old 21:57:51 <glx> <sulai> using mingw i get a compilation error when trying to compile the latest revision <-- trunk? 21:57:59 <sulai> yes 21:58:07 <glx> works for me 21:58:14 <Eddi|zuHause> you could work around that problem, because vehicle types don't actually occur in plural, but that would indeed be "hacky" 21:59:00 <glx> sulai: make clean should solve it 21:59:01 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-75-74-51-51.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 21:59:28 <sulai> glx: strange... i tried make clean and ./configure, but it didn't work after that, too 21:59:47 <sulai> glx: are you using mingw too? 21:59:50 <glx> yes 21:59:59 <glx> and my 3 trunks compiled 22:01:12 <sulai> Eddi|zuHause: we now added the string like this: 22:01:12 <sulai> {GOLD}Wir haben {G "einen" "eine" "ein" ""} neue{G n "" s ""} {0:STRING} entwickelt. {}Sind Sie daran interessiert, {G 0 den die das die} {0:STRING} ein Jahr lang exklusiv zu nutzen, so dass wir die Funktionen testen können, bevor {G 0 er sie es sie} allgemein zur VerfÃŒgung gestellt {G 0 wird wird wird werden}? 22:01:22 <sulai> it *is* kind of hacky 22:02:13 <sulai> if ottd supported strings like "eine ", then we should use it 22:02:42 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: later I said that it was a mistake of me trying to test it 22:03:00 <Eddi|zuHause> ah, so it really should work... 22:03:02 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: so strgen works, but WT2 doesn't and I don't have any hope in getting WT2 fixed 22:03:21 <Rubidium> looked at it and failed to find where the error is actually created 22:03:25 <Eddi|zuHause> well, i have no way to test WT2 ;) 22:03:34 <glx> WT2 source is hard to read 22:03:41 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm not even a translator 22:04:37 <sulai> Rubidium: maybe this single string can be put into german.txt by someone who has direct access to german.txt 22:04:43 <sulai> ...to svn 22:05:20 <SmatZ> hello dih :) 22:05:21 <Rubidium> and then find out that WT2 doesn't want to understand it when importing trunk? 22:05:43 <Rubidium> and thus reverting the string again in trunk (like it has done before) 22:05:50 <sulai> originally the string should look like this: 22:05:50 <sulai> +STR_8101_WE_HAVE_JUST_DESIGNED_A :{GOLD}Wir haben {G "einen " "eine " "ein " ""}neue{G n "" s ""} {0:STRING} entwickelt. {}Sind Sie daran interessiert, {G 0 den die das die} {0:STRING} ein Jahr lang exklusiv zu nutzen, so dass wir die Funktionen testen können, bevor {G 0 er sie es sie} allgemein zur VerfÃŒgung gestellt {G 0 wird wird wird werden}? 22:05:54 <Eddi|zuHause> that was "fun" :p 22:06:34 <Rubidium> sulai: if WT2 breaks on it while entering it manually, it'll break even harder when entering it via SVN 22:07:00 <sulai> hm... ok 22:08:54 <Rubidium> though I've heard that some people are working on a replacement for WT2 22:08:58 <Eddi|zuHause> well, the extra space in the string is not hurting as long as nobody introduces a plural vehicle type ;) 22:09:29 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: do those exist? 22:09:57 <sulai> Rubidium: not until now 22:09:59 <Eddi|zuHause> not currently... in my diff, the only word using the "plural gender" is "oil wells" 22:10:56 <Rubidium> you could also consider using cases instead of using genders 22:10:57 <Eddi|zuHause> as in "oil wells ARE built" vs. "industry IS built"... the other gender changes are only because there has to be the same number of genders everywhere 22:11:08 <Eddi|zuHause> cases are the wrong way around 22:11:40 <Rubidium> that sucks 22:11:44 <Eddi|zuHause> cases are properties from the outside influencing an inside string, where genders are a property of the inside string influencing the outside string 22:12:54 <Eddi|zuHause> but maybe i have studied too much language theory :p 22:15:59 <welshdragon> yo Devs: feature for next nightly/stable in multiplayer games: administrators can reset company passwords 22:16:16 * welshdragon forgot his password and has now lost his company 22:16:49 <glx> use autoclean 22:17:17 <welshdragon> to get rid of the company? 22:17:26 <glx> there are 2 steps 22:17:32 <welshdragon> no, i just want to have the password reset 22:17:52 *** Sacro_ [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 22:17:59 <Rubidium> where step 1 is removing the password from unpopulated companies 22:18:26 <welshdragon> hmm? 22:19:38 <Eddi|zuHause> 1. remove password 22:19:40 <Eddi|zuHause> 2. ??? 22:19:43 <Eddi|zuHause> 3. profit! 22:19:48 <Phantasm> Hmmn.. OTTD sound effects cause errors to foobar2000 music playback. 22:20:06 <Rubidium> step 2 is removing the company 22:20:47 <welshdragon> Rubidium, i don't want the company removing 22:21:02 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:21:03 <welshdragon> it is worth £3 million 22:21:04 <Tefad> hehe fb2k rocks. 22:21:12 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... either the timer of KSudoku overflows, or it pauses while minimised 22:21:23 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:21:39 <Eddi|zuHause> it says i finished a sudoku in 219 minutes even though i started it like 2 days ago 22:21:57 <Rubidium> welshdragon: it isn't going to remove the password and immediatelly remove the company too 22:21:59 *** Sacro_ is now known as Sacro 22:22:01 <Eddi|zuHause> welshdragon: it just means you have to interrupt it before it gets to step 2 22:22:24 <welshdragon> aah 22:22:31 <welshdragon> how long does that give mr? 22:22:34 <welshdragon> me even 22:22:42 <Eddi|zuHause> welshdragon: at least 1 month 22:22:51 <Eddi|zuHause> or day? 22:22:55 <Eddi|zuHause> not sure 22:22:59 <Eddi|zuHause> depends on setting ;) 22:23:28 <welshdragon> Brianetta, you heard the men: let's go! to the standard server! 22:24:29 *** reldred|gone is now known as reldred 22:24:32 *** Sacro_ [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 22:24:58 <Chrill> Brianetta, look on #tycoon please, kthanks 22:25:24 <Brianetta> Chrill: Don't make me harm you 22:25:30 <TrueBrain> Brianetta: can you also check my dishes please? 22:25:37 <welshdragon> Chrill, don't make him harm you :P] 22:25:44 <Phantasm> Any way to turn of all sounds whatsoever in OTTD? 22:25:51 <Chrill> welshdragon, don't make me harm Eoin 22:25:53 <Brianetta> TrueBrain: They're fine. 22:25:53 <TrueBrain> Phantasm: start with -snull 22:26:00 <Brianetta> They're plural. 22:26:18 <TrueBrain> Brianetta: tnx! 22:26:19 <TrueBrain> :) 22:26:38 <Brianetta> (: 22:26:52 <TrueBrain> that's for sure .. 22:27:01 <TrueBrain> in my case a double plural wouldn't even cover it .. 22:27:08 <TrueBrain> (I didn't do the dishes for like 3 weeks :p) 22:27:20 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: I let Truus do them 22:27:24 <Eddi|zuHause> where did you cat so many dishes? 22:27:25 <Brianetta> welshdragon: You want me to autoclean the server? 22:27:29 <Phantasm> TrueBrain: Thx. 22:27:31 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: can she come here too? 22:27:33 <welshdragon> please :P 22:27:42 <Brianetta> No. 22:27:46 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: in a box! :) 22:27:55 <TrueBrain> (serious, they are in a box) 22:27:55 <Brianetta> *All* protected, unoccupied companies will lose their passwords. 22:28:02 <Brianetta> Not just yours. 22:28:29 <Rubidium> with some gdb magic you should be able to reset passwords too 22:28:39 <Brianetta> Rubidium: I used to be able to use that to get them 22:28:42 <Brianetta> but they're hashed now 22:28:57 <Brianetta> apparently, there were plans to put them into the saved game 22:29:03 <Brianetta> but this wasn't completed 22:29:54 <Brianetta> so Eoin and welshdragon are, in a word, unemployed. Out of their company. 22:30:07 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:30:23 <TrueBrain> bah, working with git for like 2 minutes, and I hate it already. .. complete lack of clearness .. 22:30:27 <ln> http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2008/09/the_short_but_eventful_life_of.html 22:30:36 <welshdragon> Brianetta, i shall go round and give them all the password dradnats 22:30:49 <Brianetta> welshdragon: And how will you tell the owners? 22:31:02 <welshdragon> by sitting on the server 22:31:14 *** grumbel [~grumbel@i577BB99F.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Client exiting] 22:31:24 <glx> <Brianetta> apparently, there were plans to put them into the saved game <-- IIRC the plan was to never put them in the savegame 22:31:31 <Brianetta> They'll try to connect, but own't be able to join their company 22:31:42 <glx> but maybe in an extra file 22:31:49 *** Sacro_ is now known as Sacsro 22:31:51 <Brianetta> glx: No; this would reveal them. But I'm told that this is why they got hashed. 22:31:52 *** Sacsro is now known as Sacro 22:32:41 <welshdragon> Sacro, stop being a 'tard] 22:32:50 <Sacro> ? 22:32:56 <Sacro> at least I remember my passwords 22:32:57 <Prof_Frink> welshdragon: He can't help it. 22:33:21 <welshdragon> Sacro, I bloody told Eoin the pasword, but he was ignoring me 22:33:26 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:34:17 <Brianetta> I think it's hilarious that you trusted the password only to an ephemeral, unlogged in-game private message. (: 22:34:39 <welshdragon> what? can you see it :P 22:34:48 <Brianetta> No I can't 22:34:56 <Brianetta> It was ephemeral, it was unlogged, and it was private 22:35:11 <welshdragon> oh damn it 22:35:35 * welshdragon fumbles through his passwords list 22:35:35 <Brianetta> I can give you the hash, if you like 22:35:42 <welshdragon> go on... 22:35:48 <Brianetta> Give me a minute 22:36:48 <TrueBrain> you get 2! :) 22:36:48 * welshdragon gives him 30 seconds 22:37:43 <Brianetta> What's the gdb command to dump core? 22:37:59 * Rubidium gives Brianetta the 30th minute 22:39:58 * welshdragon gives Brianetta 24 hours 22:42:47 <Eddi|zuHause> if you can get the hash, can't you replace it with something known? 22:43:08 <Brianetta> no 22:43:09 <Rubidium> Brianetta: I seem to remember giving you the command but I can't remember, nor find it in the logs 22:43:19 <Brianetta> I grab the core, run it through strings, an dscan fo rthe data by eye 22:43:33 <Brianetta> Rubidium: I've done it in the past, many times, but can't find it in my history 22:44:08 <Rubidium> dump memory? 22:44:43 <Rubidium> maybe generate-core-file 22:45:37 <Phantasm> Full load any cargo seems to work as full load all with airplanes. 22:45:49 <Phantasm> Newest nightly build.. Is that intentional or bug? ;P 22:45:55 <Rubidium> intentional 22:46:11 <Rubidium> otherwise it'd leave with mail and no passengers 22:46:33 <Brianetta> generate-core-file 22:46:34 <Brianetta> win 22:46:54 <Phantasm> Rubidium: No way for full load mail + load any passengers there are? 22:46:56 <Rubidium> any cargo works like full load passengers for aircraft 22:46:59 <Brianetta> welshdragon: 15abe622d0763b7c262927881b05980a 22:47:06 <Rubidium> Phantasm: nope 22:47:34 <Brianetta> Wait, why are the company passwords hashed, but not the server password nor the rcon password? 22:47:36 <welshdragon> ok...... 22:47:52 <Brianetta> welshdragon: It's likely MD5 22:47:52 * TrueBrain figures out welshdragon's password :) 22:48:21 <welshdragon> TrueBrain, go for it 22:48:24 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: first acquire the correct seed 22:48:38 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: well, in 12 years I know! :) 22:49:43 <Brianetta> "15abe622d0763b7c262927881b05980a not found in our open database." 22:50:03 <TrueBrain> Brianetta: I got the same :p 22:50:17 <Brianetta> TrueBrain: Would you happen to know if they're salted hashes? 22:50:40 <Rubidium> Brianetta: they are 22:50:45 <welshdragon> was that sarcasm? 22:50:57 <Brianetta> That wasn't. 22:51:09 <Brianetta> Salting makes it a few orders of magnitude more difficult to crack. 22:51:35 <Rubidium> salt made of a server specific part and a game specific part 22:51:58 <welshdragon> ouch 22:52:06 <Brianetta> Well, I have a core dump... 22:52:37 <Rubidium> though a client can easily request that data 22:53:00 <Brianetta> Can a core dump be used to continue execution of a program after a reboot> 22:53:01 <Brianetta> ? 22:53:10 <Brianetta> That'd be cool 22:53:24 <Brianetta> I suppose the file handles would be all screwed 22:53:44 * Brianetta searches 22:53:54 <sulai> Rubidium: though a client can easily request that data <- maybe a little off-topic: what about making ottd downloading the required NewGrf files from the server too 22:53:55 <Brianetta> score 22:53:58 <Brianetta> http://cryopid.berlios.de/ 22:54:10 <TrueBrain> Brianetta: there are tools that 'suspend' an application 22:54:15 <TrueBrain> and allow resuming later 22:54:20 <Brianetta> Yes, I just found one (: 22:54:26 <TrueBrain> fails mostly on /dev access 22:54:53 <DaleStan> sulai: That has been suggested several dozen times before. Try searching the forums, please. And the IRC logs, though I'm not sure if that'll be as helpful 22:55:18 <TrueBrain> well, the tests I did on it anyway :p 22:56:19 * SmatZ bashes himself for "it's" in r14336 commit message... 22:56:27 <Brianetta> sulai: Main gist is, newgrfs aren't ours to automatically distribute. 22:56:42 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: xor'd, bah :p 22:56:45 <TrueBrain> (salt, that is) 22:56:51 <sulai> Brianetta: oh, I see 22:57:59 <Eddi|zuHause> sulai: that's like building a filesharing client into a video player 22:58:49 <Brianetta> Other games which do this sort of thing, did this sort of thing before any add-ons were made, and made it clear then that files would be subject to distribution. 22:58:56 <Prof_Frink> Eddi|zuHause: That's a genius idea. 22:59:02 <Brianetta> Newgrf authors have no such prior notice. 23:00:40 <Eddi|zuHause> well, german copyright does allow "temporary" copying of copyrighted data that is technically required for "playback" 23:00:45 *** reldred is now known as reldred|gone 23:01:05 <Eddi|zuHause> (which usually means copying into ram of some sort) 23:01:21 <sulai> so, what about adding a flag die GRF files, which indicade that the author allows automatic distribution 23:01:57 <Eddi|zuHause> sulai: that is genious. why did no previous suggestor think of this? 23:02:08 *** Yeggstry is now known as Yeggzzz 23:02:27 <sulai> I assume this was ironic, eddi? 23:02:30 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-75-74-51-51.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:02:31 <Brianetta> sulai: Been suggested. 23:02:36 <Eddi|zuHause> no. :p 23:02:46 * SmatZ 's irony-meter goes out of the scale! 23:02:51 <sulai> hm, okay then... I'd better be off to work ;P 23:03:00 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-75-74-51-51.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 23:03:09 <Brianetta> It's just never going to happen. 23:03:10 <Eddi|zuHause> at 1AM? you have weird work times 23:03:15 <Brianetta> We might as well leave it there (: 23:04:55 <sulai> If i was a GRF author, I would set this flag because then it gets more distributed and more people play it ;) 23:05:02 <sulai> howerver :X 23:05:05 <welshdragon> sigh 23:05:06 <Eddi|zuHause> http://dejure.org/gesetze/UrhG/44a.html 23:05:56 <Eddi|zuHause> if you interprete that paragraph very freely, that would include copying of newgrfs together with the map 23:06:08 <SmatZ> sulai: there is the argument that modifying a grf and adding such a flag isn't a hard process 23:06:13 <TrueBrain> sulai: I agree with you, but sadly enough a few GRF authors are not that open minded ... 23:06:36 <Brianetta> Blunck. 23:06:40 <TrueBrain> SmatZ: neither is cracking a game ;) Still not very legal :) 23:06:44 <TrueBrain> Brianetta: to name one person ;) 23:06:58 <Brianetta> He's really managed to piss me off today. 23:07:03 <Eddi|zuHause> although courts are known to judge these "boundaries" of copyright very strict 23:07:07 <TrueBrain> so I read .. and that on a post of a few weeks ago ;_ 23:07:28 <Brianetta> Well, it only came to light for me today 23:07:32 <TrueBrain> Brianetta: but you are right; from now on I will do my atmost never to use his grfs too 23:08:08 * Rubidium also has OzTransLtd on that list 23:08:26 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't really understand all the fuzz about MB 23:08:27 <TrueBrain> I really really don't get it, how you can be so closed minded, that you want your grf to only work for ttdp ... 23:08:47 <Brianetta> Eddi: He seems to hate OpenTTD beyond what I'd call reasonable 23:08:54 <TrueBrain> like you make a car-seat and you only want it to be used in a BMW! 23:09:16 *** Sacro is now known as Sacrn 23:09:27 <Brianetta> Or making an Open Office XML file format and only wanting it to run on Microsoft Office... 23:09:31 *** Chrill is now known as Chriln 23:09:51 *** Chriln is now known as Chrill 23:09:53 <TrueBrain> Brianetta: nice example :) Sadly enough that is what is happening too ... ;) 23:10:23 <Brianetta> Except this isn't being done by Microsoft... can you imagine Patchman endorsing this behaviour? 23:10:40 <TrueBrain> hehe 23:10:41 <TrueBrain> true :) 23:10:57 <TrueBrain> I will patchman closed minded too, and most likely he would agree ;) 23:11:04 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 23:11:05 *** Chrill [~chrischri@c80-216-96-107.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Quit: Damn, who set my alarm for 1:25am. yay for noticing it and changing it] 23:11:07 <Eddi|zuHause> well, for "hating" OpenTTD he's doing a lot of effort to include OpenTTD-only features into his next DBSetXL version ;) 23:11:10 *** Sacrn is now known as Sacro 23:11:18 <TrueBrain> +call 23:11:28 <Eddi|zuHause> (like pre-1920 engines) 23:11:30 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: and how long would that work ;) 23:11:45 <Brianetta> Well, it's after midnight local, and I need to be up for a meeting first thing 23:12:10 <Brianetta> so it's gute Nacht from me 23:12:11 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: isn't that like Duke Nukem Forever? 23:12:13 <TrueBrain> but okay, I never understood the fuzz about ttdp 'against' OpenTTD 23:12:23 <TrueBrain> Brianetta: sleep well 23:12:23 *** nekx [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:12:28 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: yeah, but that's a different story :p 23:12:28 <Brianetta> (: 23:13:04 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-3-70-101.manc.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 23:13:09 <TrueBrain> OpenTTD, ttdp, who cares, as long as you enjoy the game, not? 23:14:28 *** Pikka [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has joined #openttd 23:16:04 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-111-36.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [Quit: Caught sigterm, terminating...] 23:17:02 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a46ad5.virnxx14.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:17:46 *** Netsplit synthon.oftc.net <-> saturn.oftc.net quits: reldred|gone, wgrant, Gekz 23:18:08 *** Netsplit over, joins: reldred|gone, Gekz, wgrant 23:18:32 <welshdragon> TrueBrain, any luck with that password? 23:18:41 <TrueBrain> welshdragon: I wasn't even trying 23:18:51 <welshdragon> :' 23:18:53 <TrueBrain> if you can't remember your own password, well ... 23:19:28 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: how many chars is a password? 23:19:35 <welshdragon> i blame my partner for forgetting the password, which i sent over to him in a PM 23:19:58 <TrueBrain> and clearly you forgot it too 23:20:02 <welshdragon> TrueBrain, if you can just figure out any of the letters 23:20:03 <TrueBrain> I suggest using passwords like 'a' or 'b' 23:20:20 <welshdragon> i think it was 5 characters long 23:20:47 <TrueBrain> @calc pow(256, 5) 23:20:47 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: 1099511627776 23:20:55 <TrueBrain> not bad ;) 23:21:54 <TrueBrain> welshdragon: even if you would find the original value for the md5, you will never get the seed without Brianette's help 23:21:59 <TrueBrain> and without it, never your password 23:22:07 <TrueBrain> and also, I don't care :p 23:22:30 <welshdragon> thanks anyway TrueBrain, 23:22:36 * welshdragon racks hos brains 23:22:50 <TrueBrain> welshdragon: good luck with it ;) 23:24:19 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-75-74-51-51.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon] 23:27:27 <Phantasm> Ack.. How am I supposed to get even a single city level airport with noise limit on? 23:27:39 <Phantasm> All towns limit noise to 3, so I would have to build one insanely far away from it. 23:27:50 <Phantasm> Even a town of 3 065 people limits noise to 3. 23:27:56 <Phantasm> And city airport does 5 noise. 23:28:42 <welshdragon> Phantasm, park and ride! 23:28:56 <Phantasm> Huh? 23:29:17 <welshdragon> create the airport a driveable distance away 23:29:40 <welshdragon> create a bus station next to it and in the town/city centre 23:29:49 <Phantasm> Ugh.. 23:30:10 <welshdragon> easiest solution :P 23:31:54 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@86.89.201.189] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:32:13 <Phantasm> Seems OTTD still uses sound even with -snull parameter.. Nothing is outputted, but it is using the sound system in some way. 23:32:32 <TrueBrain> -mnull disabled music ;) 23:32:42 <Phantasm> I have no music files. 23:32:52 <Phantasm> So it won't play music. 23:34:01 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Quit: AS A VAGINA ONCE SAID: <yorick> SOMEONE BAN HIM] 23:34:02 <Phantasm> Same with -snull -mnull. 23:35:24 <Phantasm> So, I can't listen to music from foobar2000 while playing OTTD at all no matter the settings. 23:35:39 <TrueBrain> I have no problems with it what so ever :) 23:41:51 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 23:47:37 <glx> Phantasm: linux? 23:47:58 <Phantasm> Windows server 2008 64 bit with 64 bit OTTD. 23:48:15 <Phantasm> (Effectively Vista SP1.) 23:53:56 <welshdragon> grr 23:54:03 * welshdragon is pissed off 23:55:34 <FauxFaux> Uh, why can't you have two active sound sources? 23:58:17 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:58:18 *** Gekz_ [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd