Log for #openttd on 15th September 2008:
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00:00:26  <welshdragon> !logs
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00:03:06  <TrueBrain> [01:20] <SmatZ> OTTD players enjoy playing singleplayer... (comparing number of OTTD downloads -over 100 000- / number of online players -over 100-) <- your compare is a bit .. off :)
00:03:22  <TrueBrain> those 100,000 downloads are over a long period of time .. those 100 players are CONSTANT players
00:03:52  <TrueBrain> which I hope are not the same players all the time ... ;)
00:04:14  <TrueBrain> but still .. I estimate about 10% of the users play MP :) (which is not a lot ;))
00:04:50  * welshdragon enjoys multiolayer
00:05:05  <welshdragon> i get shown my mistakes
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00:52:12  <NullAshton> Wassup.
00:53:10  <DaleStan> TrueBrain: is answering requests on port 80 with a RST/ACK.
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01:21:46  <Eddi|zuHause> "I am currently trying to code [subways]. [...] So far I made pictures of the underground stations." <- that's certainly promising :p
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01:50:41  <ccfreak2k> It's good to know that, in the year 2050, it MIGHT be possible to have something underground.
01:59:45  <NullAshton> Just expensive though...
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02:09:06  <nightzinn> hi
02:09:13  <nightzinn> 4all :)
02:10:20  <nightzinn> can someone remove my doubt ?
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02:22:02  <nightzinn> what i need do to buy actions from a player ?
02:22:17  <nightzinn> please i need help
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02:22:25  <Yexo> actions? you mean shares?
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06:02:09  <Gekz> hai
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06:10:18  <peter1138> 70GB!
06:10:27  <Gekz> :o
06:12:29  <Pikka> petar
06:13:11  <peter1138> Pikka :D
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06:47:09  <Pikka> eep!
06:56:32  <peter1138> Hmm?
06:59:26  <Pikka> nothing!
07:00:04  <Pikka> dragon went bust again, heh...
07:03:05  <peter1138> Oh...
07:03:27  <Pikka> oh is the word!
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07:49:12  <Celestar> heyo
07:52:53  <SmatZ> hello Mr. Fischer
07:52:55  <Celestar> :)
07:52:57  <Celestar> how is it?
07:53:06  <SmatZ> good :)
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07:55:04  * Celestar sighs
07:55:07  <Celestar> sometimes I hate merges :P
08:00:01  <murray> when do you not hate them? :p
08:00:17  <Celestar> when they don't give conflicts?
08:00:44  <murray> but then it isn't a merge is it? :p
08:01:52  <Celestar> :P
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08:04:24  <SmatZ> hehe
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08:14:06  <Celestar> hm ..
08:14:13  <Celestar> peter1138: you're working with vim aren't you?
08:14:40  <peter1138> Yes.
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08:16:09  <Celestar> peter1138: is there any way to grep for the word currently under the cursor? Hi btw (=
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08:16:49  <peter1138> No idea.
08:17:17  <peter1138> I always just typed my search in, heh...
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08:18:58  <Celestar> me too
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08:26:58  <blathijs> Celestar: You can search for the word under the cursor with *
08:27:19  <blathijs> Celestar: But that searches for whole word only
08:27:46  <Celestar> blathijs: so :grep * src/* ?
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08:28:01  <blathijs> Celestar: no, that's just searching within the current file
08:28:28  <blathijs> Celestar: You're looking for some variable that contains the current word, to use in a mapping, I think?
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08:29:19  <Celestar> blathijs: say I'm in a file where there's a function call x = foobarbaz(); I want to search for all instances of "foobarbaz" in src/*
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08:29:35  <peter1138> Hmm, I never used grep within vim.
08:29:40  <Celestar> of course I can just type :grep foobarbaz src/*
08:29:46  <Celestar> but that's unelegant :P
08:29:49  <blathijs> :-)
08:31:07  <Celestar> mesa liken the new website (=
08:32:04  <peter1138> Heh, the servers page does not work.
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08:35:25  <blathijs> TrueBrain: I'm seeing an unhandled exception on the servers page (and no other output)
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08:37:52  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r14328 /trunk/src/misc_cmd.cpp: -Fix (r11822): when a company was renamed and then manager was renamed before building anything, company name changed
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08:56:17  <CommanderZ> devs, could you pls have a look at my patch ?
08:57:07  <Celestar> peter1138: what's the further plan for cargodest?
08:57:50  <blathijs> CommanderZ: The patch seems to give a 404
08:58:00  <blathijs> which is rather weird..
08:58:47  <CommanderZ> lol, I will reupload it when I get home
08:58:56  <CommanderZ> seems bugspray is bugged
08:59:16  <peter1138> Yeah, the CIA listen in on everything.
08:59:21  <Gekz> ACTA.
08:59:23  <Gekz> Hide, kids.
08:59:30  <peter1138> Or did you mean buggy?
08:59:41  <blathijs> Rubidium: TrueBrain: The attachment of FS#2114 gives a 404, that's not supposed to be possible, right?
09:00:16  <Rubidium> the page somehow doesn't generate the right url
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09:01:00  <Rubidium> and I've got no idea where CommanderZ got his URL from
09:01:19  <peter1138> It's because of all the rewrite rules.
09:01:31  <CommanderZ> from my address bar :)
09:01:41  <Rubidium> and how did you get it in the address bar?
09:02:19  <peter1138> Flyspray needs to output an absolute URL (from /) and the rewrite rule should be /getfile/xxx instead of /task/nnn/getfile/xxx
09:02:48  <Rubidium> peter1138: that's what happens, but CommanderZ just gave a URL that flyspray doesn't generate itself
09:03:04  <CommanderZ> I deleted one param there but is shouldn't break it
09:03:04  <peter1138> That's not what happens.
09:03:11  <Rubidium> and absolute URLs will break
09:03:25  <CommanderZ> Ok so the correct URL is
09:03:46  <Rubidium> or without the stuff after the ?
09:04:02  <CommanderZ> i will rather not delete anything this time
09:04:16  <peter1138> For instance, "" also gets you to the correct task.
09:04:36  <CommanderZ> but the 404 is still there
09:04:39  <Rubidium> peter1138: that sucks :(
09:04:40  <peter1138> But then the download links don't include /task/ so you can't download...
09:04:42  <Celestar> Rubidium: would you find some time to do another review of cargodest?
09:05:20  <CommanderZ> but here the links work well
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09:08:56  <Rubidium> peter1138: fixed ;)
09:09:05  <Rubidium> now works correct too
09:17:32  <peter1138> :D
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09:30:29  <Celestar> Rubidium: yes/no? (=
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09:45:51  <Ammler> [11:00] <blathijs> [10:34:06] TrueBrain: I'm seeing an unhandled exception on the servers page (and no other output) <-- approved
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09:46:59  <Rubidium> Celestar: I'll try to find some
09:47:25  <blathijs> Ammler: I guess you mean "confirmed", "approved" would mean you think it's ok for that exception to be there :-)
09:47:40  <Ammler> indeed.
09:48:17  <Rubidium> blathijs: he just means that it is now allowed for TB to read your message
09:48:21  <Ammler> also the (nice) language flags aren't displayed...
09:48:37  <Rubidium> Ammler: that's because users are STUPID
09:48:51  <Ammler> oh, sorry then :-)
09:48:52  <murray> STOOPID
09:49:26  <Rubidium> saying: currently there are no translations yet because no translations have been made yet and they getting replies like: the translations don't work
09:50:42  <Ammler> does the debian packages from the nightly download install openttd or are they also "just" packed like the generic packs?
09:51:23  <Rubidium> install as any .deb does
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09:54:15  <TrueBrain> [10:35] <blathijs> TrueBrain: I'm seeing an unhandled exception on the servers page (and no other output) <- no idea what happened .. gave the server a reboot, and it came back to live ... weird science!
09:55:00  <TrueBrain> [02:53] <DaleStan> TrueBrain: is answering requests on port 80 with a RST/ACK. <- server was once again, crashed
09:57:42  <blathijs> TrueBrain: Welcome back! :-)
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10:00:38  <Brianetta> Pikka (:
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10:01:06  <Brianetta> bleepy ):
10:02:54  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r14329 /trunk/src/ (group_gui.cpp vehicle_gui.cpp vehicle_gui_base.h): -Fix (r14306): selections in the group GUI weren't shown anymore.
10:04:01  <Gekz> TrueBrain: this new server is terribly unstable isnt it
10:04:12  <TrueBrain> Gekz: absolutely not
10:04:26  <Celestar> wth
10:04:27  <TrueBrain> is on an old old server
10:05:40  <TrueBrain> the new server is in fact more stable than most servers I ahve had my hands on ...
10:06:08  <Gekz> oh
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10:06:10  <Gekz> I am mistaken.
10:19:27  <peter1138> Will be moving?
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10:20:30  <TrueBrain> peter1138: in time
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10:24:16  <Rubidium> poor sleepman424... sleeping on the lawn of his university
10:24:46  <Celestar> lool
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10:40:18  <Celestar> hm
10:40:25  <Celestar> how many bugs need fixing for 0.6.3?
10:40:35  <Rubidium> at least 1
10:40:46  <Rubidium> which is rather like 3
10:40:54  <Forked> that is somehow 15 (sorry)
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10:43:18  <Rubidium> Celestar: and then I'm only talking about bugs that can crash client/server (possibly remotely)
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10:44:44  <Celestar> I see
11:01:54  <Celestar> what the hell
11:01:56  <Celestar>
11:01:58  <Celestar> cool stuff
11:03:35  <Ammler> every side its own stuff, also the non-stop
11:03:49  <CommanderZ> this would result in pretty ugly pixel mess in tdd
11:04:31  <Ammler> hmm
11:04:34  <Ammler> stuff :P
11:04:47  <Rubidium> looks like another solution to the mini-shinkansen problem
11:07:35  <Ammler> is that kind possible with peter's rail branch?
11:07:41  <blathijs> wth, why is that useful?
11:08:09  <Ammler> security?
11:08:16  <Rubidium> mini-shinkansen == narrow version of shinkansen so it can run on "normal" rail (clearances). However at normal shinkansen stations the steps extend sideways to make a kind of bridge to the platform
11:08:42  <blathijs> Ammler: So people can't touch the (closed) side of the train?
11:09:09  <Ammler> only slow trains are close to the plattform
11:09:23  <Rubidium> blathijs: for supporting narrow and wide trains at the same station
11:10:09  <Celestar> stupid narrow gauge idea :P
11:10:10  <Ammler> Rubidium: the "Sechsschienengleis" doesn't seem to be for different witdhts
11:10:21  <blathijs> Rubidium: Ah, right. Same size rail, but different width train :-)
11:15:17  <dih> would it not make sense to treat road crossings like signals? in that they are closed if a train is in the signal block ;-)
11:15:50  <Rubidium> blathijs: <- normal shinkansen at normal shinkansen stop, <- minishinkansen at normal shinkansen stop... mind the gap
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11:21:11  <Celestar> dih: with yapp, that does happen
11:21:50  <Ammler> that is actually another nice feature of PBS
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11:22:23  <Celestar> Ammler: how's the performance of cargodest meanwhile?
11:22:33  <Ammler> it rocks
11:22:38  <Ammler> :-)
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11:22:54  <Celestar> heh.. ok (=
11:23:19  <Ammler> someone (Ben) who couldn't join the dev server because of the cpu usage, can join again because of your optimizing...
11:23:41  <Noldo> Celestar: how did you optiomize it?
11:23:48  <Ammler> cache
11:24:28  <Ammler> but sadly, we didn't start a new game
11:24:49  <Celestar> Noldo: cache, cache, cache
11:24:50  <blathijs> Rubidium: The gap actually seems similar to what we have in NL, but it's probably bigger :-)
11:24:55  <Celestar> on multiple levels
11:25:01  <Celestar> Ammler: we could start a new game at some point
11:25:10  <Forked> :)
11:25:12  <Celestar> but I'll be in Berlin (yuck) from Wednesday to Friday
11:25:16  <Ammler> I would like to "repeat" my scenario :-)
11:25:38  <Rubidium> blathijs: inch vs foot clearance (sometimes those imperical measures as usefull)
11:25:44  <Celestar> sounds like a good idea.
11:25:50  <Celestar> Ammler: we *could* start it today :P
11:26:04  <Celestar> unless there are things that need to be done before.
11:26:05  <Ammler> games without NewGRFs just (well) sucks. :-)
11:26:10  <Celestar> yes
11:26:12  <Celestar> I agree
11:26:22  <Celestar> and we might want to change some penalty factors
11:26:40  <Ammler> and DBSet is the best pax train set
11:27:05  <Ammler> but maybe NARS2 would be nice too, didn't play it much yet.
11:28:31  <Ammler> 2cc has the problem that it likes to support every length
11:30:30  <Ammler> (or it is the excuse, because length limits are hard to code, dunno)
11:30:31  <Celestar> DBSet would be cool
11:38:48  <Celestar> is GRVTS causing desync problems (on trunk) ?
11:43:31  <Rubidium> Celestar: trunk as in when?
11:43:54  <Celestar> now?
11:44:48  <Rubidium> then: not that I'm aware of
11:46:45  <Celestar> good
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11:52:46  <Ammler> desyncs are very rare now...
11:53:09  <Ammler> and you know, how many NewGRFs coop servers use :-)
11:54:33  <Celestar> :-)
11:55:03  <Ammler> frosch is the hero :P
11:55:21  <Celestar> :)
11:55:38  <Celestar> hm .. maybe frosch and I should fix multistop first (=
11:56:13  <Ammler> that is indeed very annoying currently...
11:56:18  <Ammler> well ever :-)
11:56:46  <Celestar> it wasn't before DTRS (=
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11:57:06  <Ammler> it isn't still without :-)
11:57:15  <Celestar> he?
11:57:23  <Celestar> ENOPARSE
11:57:32  <Ammler> if you don't need DTRS, you don't have problems.
11:57:41  <Ammler> but then you can't use aRVs
11:58:03  <Celestar> yeah
11:59:04  <welshdragon> what's the problem with multistop?
11:59:31  <CommanderZ> RVs don't choose the station correctly and make unnecessary queues
12:00:00  <welshdragon> hmm, yeah, i've noticed that
12:00:12  <welshdragon> needs a better routing algorithm imho
12:01:10  <welshdragon> i.e. instead of taking the shortest route, an RV takes a route with less 'traffic'
12:01:16  <Ammler> the problem might be, that they see a DTRS with a free spot, but enter from the wrong direction...
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12:02:30  <Rubidium> Celestar: hg diff -r 6e3a58a7587d src/strings.cpp <- looks like a sync gone horribly wrong
12:03:20  <Celestar> Rubidium: I'll be checking it in a few minutes
12:03:55  <Celestar> thanks
12:07:05  <peter1138> Mine or Celestars? :p
12:07:20  <peter1138> Ammler, have you been playing games since those recent desync fixes then?
12:07:57  <Ammler> peter1138: coop ps is always near trunk
12:08:35  <Ammler> or also the cargo dest branch is after that...
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12:09:27  <peter1138> No it's not. Sometimes you stick to an older version if there are problems.
12:09:34  <peter1138> 12:06  Ammler> is that kind possible with peter's rail branch?
12:09:54  <peter1138> It is possible by making the combined track a new track type.
12:10:02  <planetmaker> [14:09]	<peter1138>	No it's not. Sometimes you stick to an older version if there are problems. <-- and we update mid-game, if important problems are solved :)
12:10:16  <peter1138> So you'd have narrow gauge track, standard gauge track, and combined narrow and standard guage track.
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12:10:40  <peter1138> And did those fixes solve anything?
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12:11:31  <Gekz> lol thats crazy
12:12:01  <planetmaker> peter1138: it's my impression that desyncs got considerably better.
12:12:15  <Gekz> peter1138: is that implemented in openttd?
12:12:26  <planetmaker> Yesterday though I saw one desync - but it's the only one in days.
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12:12:51  <planetmaker> saw != experienced myself.
12:12:53  <Ammler> [14:09] <peter1138> No it's not. Sometimes you stick to an older version if there are problems. <-- near is around a week or 100-200 commits
12:14:18  <Gekz> have we hit 20000 yet?
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12:16:24  <CommanderZ> r20000?
12:16:28  <Gekz> yes
12:16:57  <CommanderZ> nope, there is currently r14something
12:17:19  <Gekz> lol
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12:18:11  <dih> peter1138: i have a server that is always current nightly
12:18:21  <dih> (no newgrf's either)
12:18:21  <peter1138> Hmm, that was EXCEEDINGLY greasy chicken.
12:18:29  <peter1138> And damn, did it taste good :D
12:18:33  <dih> :-)
12:18:38  <peter1138> No NewGRFs? How do you get players? :p
12:19:02  <dih> well - as newgrfs can be the cause of desyncs etc, i wanted to avoid that
12:19:13  <dih> so i can make relyable reports when stuff shows up
12:19:36  <dih> and i do get a few players here and there
12:20:01  <peter1138> Mind you, currently there's only me and Pikka on my server.
12:20:12  <peter1138> welshdragon keeps trying to keeps going bankrupt...
12:20:22  <dih> hehe
12:20:24  <peter1138> *but
12:20:40  <dih> if you want any newgrfs loaded for any reason, drop me a note
12:20:51  <peter1138> Not really, I can run my own ;)
12:21:10  <dih> i dont really touch my server :-P
12:21:13  <dih> hihi
12:21:16  <dih> how i love that
12:21:28  <dih> only every once in a while i need to kill zombie proceses :-(
12:21:34  <peter1138> No desyncs so far but that may be because it's too hard to have millions of road vehicles chasing each other.
12:22:12  <Ammler> we recently played a rv only game witout desyncs (eGRFVTS)
12:22:15  <Ammler> -F
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12:22:35  <peter1138> Mind you, it's always welshdragon who desyncs on Brianetta's server.
12:22:52  <dih> hehe
12:23:04  <dih> welshdragon: feel free to join my server and try the same ;-)
12:23:16  <Ammler> peter1138: you can part and join again without desync?
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12:24:15  <Ammler> you just would need to reload the game and eveyone can join again else (!save !rcon load game)
12:24:29  <dih> welshdragon: feel free to join my server and try the same ;-)
12:25:07  <welshdragon> Dih: i will do when my laptop behaves again
12:25:28  <dih> upper case D looks ugly :-S
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12:25:59  <welshdragon> Sorry. Had to swap to my phone
12:26:42  <welshdragon> And it capitalizes sentences
12:26:46  <peter1138> I can, yes.
12:27:02  <peter1138> Is that a problem?
12:27:10  <peter1138> Oh, Dih :D
12:27:26  <peter1138> Well there's an obvious solution to that.
12:27:32  <peter1138> We shall all call him Dih from now on :D
12:27:38  <welshdragon> Peter: your build costs are too high
12:28:10  <welshdragon> Heh
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12:28:15  <dih> you are too kind petter
12:28:28  <Ammler> !s/p/b/
12:28:43  <welshdragon> Peter can be petra
12:30:54  <dih> you could be nessi!
12:31:14  <welshdragon> Nah
12:32:47  <peter1138> Dih, I know!
12:33:10  <peter1138> Costs are too high? But...!
12:33:18  <peter1138> Actually that is a major flaw in TTD...
12:33:30  <peter1138> You start off with slow vehicles that you can hardly make a profit it.
12:33:32  <peter1138> *with
12:33:50  <peter1138> Then later you end up with fast vehicles that rake it in.
12:34:04  <peter1138> It's the wrong way around in the difficulty level stakes :o
12:37:53  <peter1138> So we need GRFs that give you fast vehicles to start with and slow them down? :o
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12:38:36  <Ammler> or a GRF wich just rises basecost with years...
12:39:40  <CommanderZ> we all know whole economy of (O)TTD is broken...and cannot be fixed with one simple change...:(
12:40:12  <Forked> start in 2050 and go backwards in time
12:40:29  <Forked> force breakdowns on trains that have not been invented yet
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12:42:08  <welshdragon> that's better :P
12:46:31  <dih> you can make a bunch of money with r's
12:46:34  <dih> *rv's
12:47:00  <dih> just need to make use of the station spread ;-)
12:47:21  <dih> and you can 'teleport' by 'transfering' from one end of the map to the other, and make a bunch of cash
12:47:33  <dih> very helpful at the beginning :-P
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13:00:22  <peter1138> :)
13:00:32  <Forked> cheaters :\
13:02:09  <Ammler> on competition servers, usually it isn't higer than 12
13:05:21  <dih> that aint cheating
13:05:27  <dih> it's not even a bug
13:05:30  <dih> it's a feature :-D
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13:21:06  <peter1138> 76GB!
13:22:08  <TrueBrain> peter1138: getting there ;)
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13:31:26  <Belugas> judging by the number of timeout that welshdragon is afflicting us, i would not trust any of his MO bugs...
13:33:11  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r14330 /trunk/src/lang/unfinished/ (greek.txt latvian.txt): -Fix: compile warnings in some unfinished lang files.
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13:33:49  <yorick> the landscape.html about bridge heads transporttype is incorrect
13:33:57  <yorick> it doesn't include aqueducts
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13:34:58  <Belugas> can you put on a patch?
13:36:03  <SmatZ> no
13:40:05  <yorick> Belugas: should I post it on flyspray?
13:41:30  <yorick> there it goes *fly, my little patch, fly into the big world!*
13:42:34  * TrueBrain pakt de vliegemepper ... ;)
13:43:38  <yorick> electronic one :)
13:43:45  <TrueBrain> bzzz
13:43:55  <Ammler> is "Flyspray" something from OpenTTD or a "stolen/borrowd" word?
13:44:06  <TrueBrain> it is software
13:44:22  <Ammler> the bugtracker?
13:44:25  <yorick> it is bugtracker software
13:44:39  <Ammler> well, it is a nice name :-)
13:45:03  <Rubidium> Ammler never visited the bugtracker?
13:45:12  <Ammler> ?
13:45:37  <Rubidium> should be fairly obvious that we use flyspray as bugtracker
13:45:37  <Ammler> not really, why should I
13:46:19  <Ammler> well, never really thought about the name itself
13:46:22  <yorick> because you want to see patches being submitted to there
13:46:43  <Ammler> he means the homepage of flyspray, I assume
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13:47:04  <yorick> heh, I even submitted a bug there
13:47:11  * yorick never got anything back
13:47:25  <Ammler> dates are overwritten by nick?
13:47:28  <fester64x2> nice work on openttd
13:47:38  * fester64x2 is very impressed
13:48:31  <Celestar> thanks fester64x2 :D
13:48:38  <fester64x2> no problem =)
13:48:45  <fester64x2> thank you for making the game
13:48:46  <Celestar> Rubidium: I don't see the merge problem in strings.cpp ?
13:48:56  <Celestar> Rubidium: it looks fine to me
13:49:16  <yorick> Celestar: I also noticed it
13:49:24  <yorick> it's a small merge problem
13:49:46  <yorick> just need to replace "index" by sid and remove the first definition of station
13:50:48  <Celestar> yorick: Rubidium: <= that's the diff I get?
13:50:56  <Ammler> I was wondering about the 1000er delimeter patch of Eddi|zuHause
13:51:06  <yorick> Celestar: that's a strange diff
13:51:31  <yorick> you are merging trunk to cargodest, right?
13:52:05  <Celestar> I did exactly what Rubidium said (=
13:52:17  <yorick> hg clone cargodestmerge && cd cargodestmerge && hg pull && hg merge?
13:52:23  <Rubidium> Celestar: (what it looked like in trunk)
13:52:26  <Celestar> hg diff -r 6e3a58a7587d src/strings.cpp <= this in cargodest
13:52:41  <Rubidium> Celestar: (how it looks now in trunk)
13:53:23  <Rubidium> Celestar: (how it looks in cargodest)
13:53:38  <Ammler> can I change the delimeter now only with custom currency?
13:53:52  <Rubidium> Celestar: see any familiarity with both the looked like in trunk and looks like trunk in cargodest?
13:55:49  <Celestar> hm
13:55:51  <Celestar> recommendations?
13:56:11  <Rubidium> yeah, curl | patch -R -p1
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13:56:40  <Celestar> and then commit that?
13:56:48  <Rubidium> yup
13:59:44  <Celestar> done and pushed
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14:13:37  <Celestar> peter1138: how's the railtypes branch going?
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14:14:32  <Tim> What? Did you really allow your partner in CargoDest to work on another branch? :)
14:15:20  <Ammler> 2 others :P
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14:15:41  <CommanderZ> why not if they are useful :)
14:17:43  <Celestar> Tim: imho, cargodest is basically finished
14:17:54  <Celestar> Tim: code review is the next step
14:18:01  <Tim> That's good to hear :)
14:21:13  <Celestar> did you test it?
14:21:22  <peter1138> It's going well.
14:21:33  <Celestar> that's great to hear
14:21:37  <Tim> Yes, but that was about 2 weeks ago.
14:22:00  <Celestar> have we yet decided what happens with NewGRF_ports? Rewrite? It'd be a great addition to 0.7 ;)
14:22:27  <peter1138> What was about two weeks ago?
14:22:46  <peter1138> A rewrite seems likely, and is no bad thing.
14:22:49  <Celestar> peter1138: Tim testing cargodest
14:22:52  <peter1138> I lost count of the newstations rewrites :)
14:23:02  <Celestar> peter1138: I quite agree, the question is: who does it (=
14:23:11  <TrueBrain> Celestar: my vote goes for Celestar
14:23:24  <peter1138> :D
14:23:29  <Celestar> ok yapp, cargodest, IS, newgrf_ports, railtypes, roadtypes ... maybe the next revision should be 0.8 :P
14:23:45  <Celestar> I'd do it, but I need some assistance, having new worked with newgrfs ...
14:23:52  <Celestar> s/new/never
14:24:07  <TrueBrain> ask Bjarni! :)
14:24:10  <peter1138> There'll be eyecandy and bridges to do as well.
14:24:14  <Belugas> and newobjects will make his way in in a few <ELASTIC-TIME-PERIOD>
14:24:21  <peter1138> Yeah, Bjarni's good at rewriting at things.
14:24:23  <TrueBrain> Celestar: and you forget NoAI!
14:24:33  <peter1138> Well, s/good at/likes/
14:24:41  <Celestar> TrueBrain: if NoAI is in as well, we might really go for 0.8 right away :P
14:25:01  <Tim> Did you implement any of the "Items for Version 2" from the wiki in the current CargoDest branch, or are those to come later?
14:25:06  <TrueBrain> After saturday the biggest missing piece of NoAI will be committed ...
14:25:16  <TrueBrain> well, besides NAIL, but that is an other story ;)
14:25:23  <Celestar> Tim: they ARE for v2 (=
14:25:34  <Celestar> Tim: I've done some work on them already.
14:25:40  <Celestar> TrueBrain: Rail Building?
14:25:45  <TrueBrain> Celestar: :)
14:25:55  <Tim> Good to hear again :)
14:25:58  * yorick congratulates TB with the future
14:26:06  <TrueBrain> now if there would be time for finishing MapGen
14:26:15  <TrueBrain> we could directly skip 0.7, 0.8 and 0.9, and call it 1.0 :p
14:26:27  <Tim> That one would be fantastic: Adjust cargo generation to network (if you only have one power station connected, you just get less coal than when you have five)
14:26:29  <yorick> what's MapGen?
14:26:37  <Rubidium> TrueBrain: after 0.9 0.A
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14:26:39  <TrueBrain> yorick: a long dying project
14:26:42  <Celestar> TrueBrain: only if we have OpenGFX everywhere (=
14:26:44  <yorick> aha
14:26:47  <TrueBrain> Rubidium: now THAT would be a nice joke ;)
14:26:57  <Celestar> Tim: yeah, but that has nothing to do with cargodest actually (=
14:26:58  <TrueBrain> Celestar: hehe :) I wonder if they can come up with a valid license ... ;)
14:27:05  <yorick> " expected ‘,’ or ‘;’ before ‘:’ toke" <-- now how's that error going to be helpful
14:27:14  <Celestar> Rubidium: after 0.9 can be 0.10 anyway ...
14:27:24  <Celestar> it's not a decimal separator, that "."
14:27:44  <TrueBrain> Celestar: lol, now that would be messy
14:27:47  <TrueBrain> I vote for 0.A!
14:27:57  <Celestar> TrueBrain: why, ... look at <most projects>
14:27:58  <CommanderZ> lol
14:28:09  <CommanderZ> what would be after 0.F
14:28:13  <TrueBrain> Celestar: it always confused me, 0.9, 0.10 .. it just doesn't make sense when I do: ls -1
14:28:16  <TrueBrain> CommanderZ: 0.G
14:28:19  <TrueBrain> who was counting in hex? :p
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14:28:34  <Celestar> ok let's get back to being serious :P
14:28:41  <CommanderZ> and after 0.Z would be 0.® lol
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14:28:47  <Tim> How about a smaller project than the ones you are talking about, which would be to re-organize and put together all of the settings? :)
14:28:50  <TrueBrain> CommanderZ: now that is silly :p
14:28:57  <Rubidium> Celestar: yeah, most projects do releases on April 1st
14:29:17  <TrueBrain> or while services are being moved ... or make a commit at r10000 which is hidden from the world ... :p
14:29:24  <TrueBrain> damn, we have a bad sense of humor ..
14:29:52  <yorick> at least someone guessed it was a mapgen commit
14:30:03  <TrueBrain> as we told that person
14:30:17  <yorick> but what is mapgen?
14:30:36  <TrueBrain> a secret project, dah :)
14:30:39  <yorick> (except for a secret coders-hideout)
14:30:50  <Rubidium> very <curseword>realistic</curseword> map generation
14:31:15  <yorick> "realistic" !
14:31:18  <TrueBrain> Rubidium: don't spoil it! :p
14:31:34  <Celestar> hm.
14:31:41  * Celestar checks out NewGRF_ports
14:31:57  <TrueBrain> good luck Celestar
14:32:15  <Celestar> hm .. there is also custombridgeheads
14:32:22  * Celestar loses track
14:32:23  <yorick> there is
14:32:27  <yorick> or what's left of it
14:32:30  <TrueBrain> *cough*gamebalance*cough*
14:33:09  * yorick gives TB "hoestdrankje"
14:33:17  <CommanderZ> you should really leave some fratures for 0.8 :)
14:33:36  <TrueBrain> CommanderZ: don't worry, if one thing the past has shown: as soon as one big feature is in, an other pops up around the corner
14:33:39  <TrueBrain> a never ending battle ...
14:33:48  <peter1138> I want river generation.
14:33:59  <TrueBrain> realistic tunnels
14:34:00  <yorick> I want lively rivers
14:34:06  <yorick> enhanced tunnels
14:34:10  <yorick> custom bridgeheads
14:34:12  <yorick> gamebalance
14:34:14  <TrueBrain> border-towns
14:34:15  <TrueBrain> head-to-head
14:34:17  <yorick> infrastructure-sharing
14:34:22  <TrueBrain> other gameplays
14:34:24  <yorick> cargodest
14:34:25  <TrueBrain> omg, the list is endless!
14:34:36  <yorick> neutral infrastructure
14:34:50  <Celestar> gamebalance was put on hold due to missing cargodest (=
14:34:50  <yorick> (airports and docks are already possible :-p)
14:35:03  <TrueBrain> lol @ Celestar
14:35:06  <dih> :-)
14:35:16  <CommanderZ> I  want to live forewer to see what will OTTD 0.999 be like
14:35:18  <Celestar> O_o i wasn't kidding
14:35:21  <yorick> I want bridges over stations
14:35:30  <TrueBrain> CommanderZ: I really do hope at some point OpenTTD says: and this is version 1.0
14:35:32  <yorick> I want subway
14:35:37  <TrueBrain> but okay .. I wonder how version 10.0 looks like ;)
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14:35:47  <dih> i want kick for yorick :-P
14:35:50  <dih> :-D
14:35:54  * TrueBrain gives dih a kick
14:35:55  <dih> nah - just kidding
14:35:55  <TrueBrain> for yorick
14:35:58  <yorick> I am strongly against it
14:36:00  <yorick> thanks :)
14:36:06  * dih kicks yorick with the kick from TrueBrain
14:36:18  <TrueBrain> @kick dih don't reuse my kick!
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14:36:21  <CommanderZ> TrueBrain: I think the 0.1 should have been 1.0.
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14:36:33  <TrueBrain> CommanderZ: lol! Ever played 0.1? :)
14:36:34  * yorick kicks dih with the kick from dih from truebrain
14:36:35  <dih> :'(
14:36:35  * TrueBrain hugs dih :)
14:36:36  <CommanderZ> everything would be simplier now
14:36:44  <TrueBrain> @kick yorick don't reuse my kick!
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14:37:00  * yorick kicks TrueBrain with the kick he just received
14:37:12  <TrueBrain> (you had thatone coming :p)
14:37:21  <CommanderZ> TrueBrain: no, but I have seen somewhere it was 1:1 clone of TTD
14:37:21  <TrueBrain> @kickban yorick but my kicks are stronger
14:37:23  <dih> yep - i was waiting for it :-P
14:37:26  <Ammler> could someone build a r1 linux for me?
14:37:27  <TrueBrain> @kban yorick but my kicks are stronger
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14:37:36  <CommanderZ> this is getting crazy
14:37:39  <TrueBrain> @op
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14:38:09  <TrueBrain> CommanderZ: OpenTTD, sort of, once was .. but 0.1 wasn't that version :p
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14:38:14  * yorick says what tb expects /me to say
14:38:15  <TrueBrain> it was missing more stuff then it contained :)
14:38:26  <Ammler> TrueBrain: doesn't DorpsGek have timeout for ban?
14:38:30  * TrueBrain does what yorick expects /me to do
14:38:46  <Ammler> so you don't need to think about your bans :-)
14:38:51  <TrueBrain> Ammler: dunno
14:38:53  * dih sits in the middle and does not dare to move
14:38:56  <TrueBrain> never banned someone long enoguh for that
14:39:01  <TrueBrain> dih: good boy :)
14:39:07  <dih> long enough for what?
14:39:13  * yorick hugs dih :)
14:39:27  <TrueBrain> CommanderZ: in the beginning there was this policy that every new feature in OpenTTD should be switchable, so you could always have the TTD gameplay
14:39:28  <dih> get off!
14:39:37  <TrueBrain> somewhere (and thank god for that), this requirement was removed :p
14:40:17  <Ammler> TrueBrain: kban [<channel>] [--{exact,nick,user,host}] <nick> [<seconds>] [<reason>]
14:40:36  <TrueBrain> Ammler: tnx, can I test it on you? :p
14:40:48  <Kloopy> @op
14:40:49  <Ammler> :P
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14:40:50  <Kloopy> :(
14:40:57  <dih> loooooooser!
14:41:08  <TrueBrain> lol
14:41:10  <TrueBrain> kindergarten
14:41:34  <dih> you dont really think one would leave a bot to op the op-en world
14:43:34  <TrueBrain> that almost didn't make sense
14:43:56  <dih> _almost_ is a key word in that line ;-)
14:44:04  <dih> makes all the difference
14:44:06  <TrueBrain> you think?
14:44:06  <TrueBrain> :)
14:44:13  <TrueBrain> I thought it was the word 'make'
14:44:19  <TrueBrain> but maybe I should add a comma there
14:44:20  <TrueBrain> (lol :p)
14:44:21  <dih> yeah - i do think - yorick is the one that does not think
14:44:36  <TrueBrain> dih: now be nice to that kid
14:44:43  <dih> i was!
14:44:45  <dih> :-D
14:44:54  <dih> hehe
14:44:58  <TrueBrain> if that is your way of being nice, we really need a long talk soon, my son
14:44:59  <TrueBrain> (LOL!)
14:45:17  <TrueBrain> Luke! I am your Father!
14:45:26  <dih> "my son"??
14:45:31  <TrueBrain> haha
14:45:34  <dih> you gotta be kidding me
14:45:36  * TrueBrain is having fun here :)
14:45:39  <dih> DV was older than Luke
14:45:58  <dih> oh - and you just made yourself the evil one :-D
14:45:59  <dih> hehe
14:46:14  <TrueBrain> @mode +m
14:46:17  *** mode/#openttd [+m] by DorpsGek
14:46:27  *** mode/#openttd [-m] by DorpsGek
14:46:30  <TrueBrain> how is that for evil? :p
14:46:41  <dih> uh... scared :-P
14:46:58  <TrueBrain> okay, I am going to get some food, do some rock climbing ... have a good day all :)
14:47:10  <dih> you too pawpaw
14:47:39  <dih> daaaass waydaaa
14:47:42  * yorick still feels like being banned
14:48:16  * dih thinks yorick WANTS to be banned
14:48:35  <yorick> dih: more like I want to be unbanned
14:48:43  <Tim> If someone would give me rights, i would edit the 0.7 roadmap as soon as i find time for it...
14:50:56  <dih> nice try Tim :-D
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14:51:24  <Tim> hehe
14:52:41  <Tim> Just wanna help :)
14:52:58  <dih> yeah - most of us do :-P
14:53:03  <dih> :-D
14:53:16  <Tim> Can i create sub-pages for my userpage?
14:53:20  <yorick> yes
14:53:24  <Ammler> TrueBrain: small diff for about page:
14:53:44  <dih> Tim: did you try?
14:54:22  <Tim> Ah yes, should work
14:55:25  <Tim> Hm, then i'll try to work on that stuff there
14:57:01  <Tim> But you could tell me how to link to that subpage :)
14:57:49  <yorick> the news headers seem fixed to the english page
14:58:14  <Tim> Ah ok, works...
14:59:19  * Celestar wishes the UK would go-ahead with the UK Ultraspeed project :P
15:00:06  <dih> whats that - ultra fast to hell?
15:00:16  <dih> flood london (leave the great barrier open) :-P
15:00:42  <Celestar> dih: no, a Transrapid network for UK
15:00:58  <dih> excluding a oxford - cambridge line
15:01:04  <dih> as that would go against all rules
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15:01:59  <Celestar> as we only have idiots in government in Germany trying to bomb this country back to the stone age
15:02:49  <Tim> like whom?
15:03:40  <Brianetta> Ultraspeed:
15:04:46  <dih> cute
15:05:13  <Celestar> Tim: er .. like everyone. We don't build highways, we don't build railways and we don't build airports. We also don't want research, especially in genetics or nuclear physics.
15:06:29  <Celestar> Our railway and road system is in a really sorry state
15:07:01  <Ammler> well, you need to catch up the whole easy
15:07:06  <Ammler> east
15:07:38  <Celestar> the east is caught up pretty well, infrastructure-wise
15:07:43  <dih> there is one thing i really dislike about transrapid
15:07:46  <dih> the switches
15:08:00  <Celestar> dih: yeah, but you need very few of them
15:09:44  <dih> none the less, they are ugly
15:10:01  <Brianetta> You need something like ten of them, across 700 miles
15:10:03  <peter1138> That doesn't stop people layout them down horribly.
15:10:13  <Celestar> er .. who cares about their ugliness
15:10:19  <Celestar> Brianetta: yeah, maybe twelve
15:10:33  <dih> i care about uglyness
15:10:44  <peter1138> Dih cares!
15:10:45  <dih> a wrong switch will turn out really horribly :-P
15:10:52  * dih slaps peter1138
15:11:04  <dih> with a lower-case d
15:11:04  <yorick> NO!
15:11:07  <dih> shush
15:11:23  <yorick> err...I mean...YES! offcourse :)
15:11:26  <peter1138> Yorick!
15:11:34  * yorick slaps peter1138
15:11:40  <yorick> lower-case-d
15:11:51  <peter1138> dorick!
15:12:00  <dih> i prefer yorky-porky
15:12:17  * dih hides
15:12:53  <dih> peter1138: forgive him, he does not know what he's doing :-P
15:13:14  <yorick> dih: does anyone?
15:14:03  <dih> forgive you? hide? or prefer yorky-porky?
15:14:31  <yorick> know what I'm doing
15:14:34  <SpComb> Celestar: so what countries have better road/rail networks than germany?
15:14:41  <Rubidium> Japan!
15:14:49  <yorick> Belgium!
15:15:22  <Celestar> SpComb: Rail? France, Japan, Switzerland ...
15:16:13  <Celestar> Road? Austria, Switzerland, Italy, France, USA, ... (haven't been to that many)
15:16:28  <Celestar> SpComb: Rail Travel Times are just laughable
15:16:39  <Rubidium> roads in the NL are better than in Italy
15:16:59  <Celestar> 5.5 hours Munich-Berlin, where 4 hours should be maximum and 2.5 hours is not even technically challenging :S
15:18:03  <Celestar> but no, we have fecking Greens all over the country. They want no highways, no high-speed rails, no airports, no wind power plants, no water power plants, no coal power plants, no nuclear power plants, no genetic research. Man. Shoot them back to the stone age.
15:18:33  <dih> bloody spammer
15:18:39  <Rubidium> Celestar: wouldn't it be more green to not feed them?
15:19:02  <yorick> why no wind power plants?
15:19:30  <dih> because then the smell of the sheep dung would stay in the country
15:19:31  <Rubidium> they kill birds
15:19:37  <dih> :-P
15:19:47  <Rubidium> and hydroplants kill fish
15:19:48  <Celestar> yorick: they're too loud, apparently.
15:19:56  <dih> wow
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15:20:05  <yorick> then what?
15:20:15  <dih> import
15:20:25  <Rubidium> Celestar: actually, they're not loud enough; otherwise birds wouldn't fly into them ;)
15:20:27  <dih> hambster in a wheel
15:20:31  <dih> gnah
15:20:42  <Celestar> Greens are dangerous
15:20:44  <SpComb> hide all the coal power plants in china and then just ship the electricity over
15:20:46  <Rubidium> yorick: no electricity ofcourse
15:20:52  <FauxFaux> Yeah, fit large, radioactive sirens to them, that'll keep the birds away.
15:21:01  <dih> SpComb: and then send another bomb :-P
15:21:04  <yorick> dih: that would make too much noise
15:21:20  <dih> the hapster or the bomb?
15:21:22  <dih> :-P
15:21:32  <Rubidium> problem is that you can't transport electricity that far
15:21:34  <Celestar> SpComb: this is exactly what is happening now. No actually, it is happening the other way: Energy-intensive industries move out of Germany; mostly taking the jobs with them.
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15:22:03  <Celestar> Rubidium: you needn't go to China. You can just build nuclears on the German borders.
15:22:28  <Celestar> Thanks to The Greens and associated idiots, we've also sold all the nuclear know-how as well.
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15:23:28  <yorick> how to calculate height differences?
15:23:46  <Celestar> delta h = h2 - h1
15:24:09  <yorick> ...
15:24:10  <lobster> oooh
15:24:22  <lobster> new flashy website design is new and flashy
15:24:43  <yorick> the new flashy website design is only new, not flashy
15:25:28  <lobster> yet no general download page, how odd
15:25:41  <Rubidium> and in Europe some radiation treatments aren't being conducted because there aren't enough radioactive isotopes (because they have to stop NL's only nuclear reactor)
15:26:17  <yorick> and they also stopped building a new one
15:27:07  <Rubidium> so until at least the end of October there's a shortage of medical isotopes in Europe
15:27:51  <lobster> i overheard my girlfriend's dad talking about that
15:28:13  <Celestar> SpComb: look at this, it's nothing short of embarrassing:
15:28:13  <yorick> my dad is talking about it...
15:28:17  <lobster> he's a manager in the "zorg", so he had a few cases of things being delayed because of this very problem
15:28:33  <yorick> I'm not lobster's girlfriend, am I?
15:29:31  <Belugas> naaa, you're mine, sweety
15:30:03  <yorick> how do I get the height of the heighest corner of a tile?
15:30:52  <Rubidium> yorick: learn how to use grep
15:31:18  <yorick> that's like having a search engine in front of your screen without knowing the query
15:31:30  <Rubidium> try corner and high
15:31:38  <Belugas> +e
15:31:41  <Rubidium> or even try: highest and corner!
15:31:42  <Belugas> +t
15:32:03  <Rubidium> or... what about
15:32:08  <Rubidium> or... what about "highest corner"?
15:32:27  <yorick> nah
15:32:39  <Ammler> Rubidium: ottd trunk does still use only one palette? And if the NewGRF differ from base grf, it will be converted "on-the-fly"?
15:32:44  <yorick> that's far too obvious
15:32:54  <Belugas> or read header files like map or tiles?
15:33:14  <SmatZ> yorick: GetTileMaxZ or so
15:33:19  <Rubidium> Ammler: that's the idea
15:33:45  <Brianetta> It's automagical
15:33:46  <dih> lobster:
15:33:47  <yorick> SmatZ: and how do I make that relative?
15:33:48  <Ammler> well, then I understand, why you should still use all GRFs from same palette.
15:34:07  <SmatZ> yorick: relative to what?
15:34:20  <yorick> relative to 2 tiles below or above it
15:34:35  <Brianetta> Ammler: With the 8bpp graphics, the entire screen is like a PCX composite using one palette.
15:34:36  <yorick> I would like to see if a tile is 2 tiles above another one
15:35:02  <dih> yorick: use your eyes :-P
15:35:05  <SmatZ> yorick: I don't know what you mean, but 'minus' and 'abs' are your friends
15:35:09  <Brianetta> yorick: Use maths.
15:35:20  <Brianetta> You know how wide the map is.
15:35:44  <yorick> problem is that GetTileMaxZ returns something that's around 60
15:35:54  <yorick> 64...56
15:35:54  <SmatZ> yorick: /8
15:36:00  <yorick> why /8?
15:36:44  <SmatZ> 	TILE_HEIGHT =  8,   ///< The standard height-difference between tiles on two levels is 8 (z-diff 8)
15:36:49  <yorick> OH
15:36:52  <yorick> oh*
15:36:54  <yorick> hm
15:36:56  <Belugas> baby feeding time...
15:36:59  <yorick> :*
15:38:23  <SpComb> Celestar: I didn't read it completely, but Germany's stats don't seem to be *that* bad
15:38:37  <SpComb> it's not the best in the world, but it wast at least 5th at something or other
15:38:47  * dih feeds Belugas :-P
15:39:07  <Rubidium> SpComb: but it doesn't show the direction the speed is going (like down for Germany and up for Japan)
15:40:23  <SpComb> sure, the competition is fierce
15:40:46  <SpComb> if your definition of "a good railroad network" is "better than anyone else", then it might be a bit difficult, yes
15:40:48  <Rubidium> I'm talking about absolute speed, not their place on the list
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15:46:51  <Celestar> SpComb: yes at first glace. However, you will notice that the first 5 of our entries are one and the same route, just different stopovers.
15:47:26  * Celestar wonders how a stopover in a middle of a 300km/h track costs only 4 minutes.
15:50:12  <Celestar> Frankfurt Airport - Siegburg (144km): non-stop 37 minutes. Frankfurt Airport - Montabaur (81km) - Siegburg (63km): 41 minutes (plus 2 minutes stopping time)
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15:50:41  <Celestar> I know the ICE3 accelerates very fast, but this seems a little much
15:50:49  <dih> ICE usually stops for 2 minutes at each station
15:50:58  <dih> +-
15:51:04  <dih> plus DB is generally late
15:51:09  <dih> and slow
15:51:16  <Celestar> slow is true :S
15:51:29  <Celestar> Munich-Lindau 2hours 5 minutes \o/
15:51:47  <Ammler> according to DBSet, acceleration of the ICE isn't that fast :-)
15:52:19  <SpComb> most of my personal experience with german railroads consists of playing TTD with the DBSet
15:52:27  <Celestar> 2 hours 50 minutes. Sorry.
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15:52:48  <Celestar> on a good day, I need 1:20 by car, at normal speeds
15:52:53  <Celestar> I did it in 1:00 once :P
15:53:12  <Celestar> January 1st, 2000. :D
15:53:15  <dih> define 'normal speed'
15:53:18  <Celestar> dih: 130km/h
15:53:23  <Celestar> on highway.
15:53:42  <dih> from karslruhe to where my parents live i usually need 2 hours
15:53:42  * Ammler has 1 hour with train to ZÃŒrich, around 55mins with car.
15:53:48  <dih> i once did it in 1.5
15:53:51  <dih> :-P
15:54:13  <Celestar> my personal record was Munich-Essen in 4:00
15:54:15  <Ammler> (90% highway)
15:54:21  <dih> nice :-)
15:54:25  <dih> how fast did ya go?
15:54:27  <dih> 220?
15:54:30  <Celestar> however, I left Munich at 1 in the morning.
15:54:34  <Celestar> dih: yeah, about.
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15:54:52  <Ammler> no respect to nature :P
15:55:11  <Celestar> I once did it in 4:10 in a Ford Mondeo at 16l/100km, and the 4:00 was a BMW 530d with 10l/100km :P
15:55:14  <dih> i did the 1.5 h trip at 190 and it used about 6lieters/100KM
15:56:01  <peter1138> mpg!
15:56:37  <dih> that's about 115-120 mph
15:56:47  <dih> trip is 200km
15:56:58  <dih> perhaps a wee bit more
15:57:35  <dih> so that's 65?miles to 100km
15:58:05  <dih> or use @convert :-P
15:58:15  <Celestar> peter1138: well that's easy. 28mpg for the BMW, 17 mpg for the Ford (both at a cruise speed around 130mph).
15:58:21  <Celestar> (imperial gallons)
15:58:41  <Celestar> Ford took 10 minutes longer, because I needed to refill once :P
15:58:47  <dih> hehe
15:58:54  <dih> you did not manage to do that in 6.5 seconds?
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15:59:11  <FauxFaux> "Cruise speed of 130mph" <3
15:59:14  <Celestar> I filled up in Munich and was empty at Frankfurt Airport.
15:59:23  <Celestar> FauxFaux: :D
15:59:33  <dih> laters ladies
15:59:48  <FauxFaux> There's a 40mph speed limit on the dual carriageway I use frequently.
15:59:51  <yorick> laters dih
16:00:05  <Belugas> bye sweety
16:01:02  <Celestar> hm.
16:01:09  <Celestar> 26 EUR for a 17 minutes train ride :o
16:01:42  <Celestar> one-way :o
16:01:51  * Celestar blinks
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16:05:41  <Celestar> SpComb: you know what is embarrassing? The DB has the fastest train in the world. And that train cannot reach is certified in Germany anywhere and reaches its maximum service speed on its trips to France.
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16:06:41  <SpComb> wha, the fastest train in the world? :o
16:06:47  <Brianetta> Operational train.
16:06:57  <SpComb> what's that definition mean?
16:06:58  <Brianetta> The SNCF have a faster TGV, but only one unit.
16:07:06  <Brianetta> It's not in revenue service.
16:07:22  <SpComb> is this the ICE3?
16:07:57  <Celestar> SpComb: yes. and it's international version, the Velaro
16:08:53  <Celestar> Brianetta: that TGV does afaik no longer exist. It has been specially modified for the 580km/h ride, and it required modification to the external infrastructure as well (higher voltage, higher maximum amps, etc etc).
16:09:04  <Celestar> the ICE3 is *certified* for 330km/h
16:09:37  <planetmaker> Celestar: doesn't it reach that velocity between Frankfurt aM and Cologne, the Sprinter service?
16:09:41  <Celestar> (not sure, but afaik the Velaro is certified for 350km/h).
16:10:02  <Celestar> planetmaker: it used to, but the track has been limited to 300km/h.
16:10:12  <Brianetta> OpenTTD could do with a set of free base grf files for dedicated servers.  The sprites could just be empty rectangles of the correct size.
16:10:14  <planetmaker> hehe. Why the hell that?
16:10:23  <Celestar> planetmaker: I don't the hell know.
16:10:33  <planetmaker> bloody hell :P
16:10:52  <Celestar> planetmaker: you know why the Greens are against building new high-speed rails (like Hannover-Hamburg)?
16:11:07  <Ammler> Brianetta: I have already played with that a little, failed on
16:11:09  <Brianetta> They think you should cycle
16:11:12  <planetmaker> not really. I didn't even really know that they were.
16:11:23  <planetmaker> why?
16:12:25  <Celestar> planetmaker: because the energy consumption of a fast train is higher than that of a slow train and that's bad. It is apparently better that the people use 1-passenger-occupancy cars and planes instead
16:12:48  <planetmaker> :P
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16:13:02  <planetmaker> "think again" is what then comes first into my mind what to tell them
16:13:29  <Celestar> think and Green are apparently mutually exclusive :P
16:14:07  <planetmaker> I hope not always :)
16:14:31  <planetmaker> they might end up in governement again.
16:14:35  <Celestar> In germany, it seems so ...
16:14:50  <Celestar> you mean Red-Yellow-Green? ;)
16:15:24  <planetmaker> whatever. Maybe. Currently I'm not sure about the sanity of most politicians in Berlin.
16:15:38  <Sacro> oh god
16:15:42  <Sacro> memories of 1939
16:16:57  <Celestar> planetmaker: neither am I
16:17:06  <Celestar> planetmaker: as long as the Lefties stay out ...
16:17:52  <planetmaker> oh, yeah. They're a bunch of former "Bonzen" and a talented demagogue
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16:24:55  <Brianetta> Has Michael Blunck always been a twat?
16:25:41  <yorick> if he has ever not, then not
16:26:18  <lobster> well, he's a bit DaleStan-ish towards the lesser knowing... where now, Brianetta?
16:26:57  <Brianetta>
16:27:15  <Brianetta> He seems absolutely vitriolic in his hatred of OpenTTD
16:27:22  <Brianetta> I've never seen anything like it
16:27:59  <Brianetta> I'm seriously considering pulling his newgrfs from my server
16:28:57  <Rubidium> Brianetta: I'm not debugging anything that requires any of OzTransLtd GRFs
16:29:09  <Brianetta> Who?
16:29:38  <Rubidium> the guy of canadian somestuff 0.3.doesn't.exist.anymore
16:29:39  <planetmaker> canset
16:30:22  <Ammler> you take that a little bit too personally...
16:30:31  <planetmaker> Brianetta: removing MB's grfs completely is difficult. IIRC there're some sprites even in openttdw.grf...
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16:30:49  <Rubidium> Ammler: I am?
16:30:51  <Brianetta> planetmaker: That's GPL
16:31:04  <planetmaker> the point?
16:31:37  <Brianetta> There's no future vitriol
16:31:53  <Ammler> it is not just OzTransLtd GRFs, he is only the coder...
16:32:02  <Brianetta> His readmes (which he calls DoNotReadMes) are no longer, in my eyes, acceptable licenses
16:32:11  <planetmaker> besidedes, the thread you dug out (or some other) - he wrote that a month ago. Though completely off... it's not really worth to bother about it.
16:32:26  <Brianetta> since he's already had a go at the openttdcoop lot for distributing his grfs on a web page with the readme
16:32:32  <Brianetta> without having them in an archive
16:32:36  <planetmaker> After all... that doesn't help things and his grf really look nice - as actually also do the canset things.
16:32:49  <Brianetta> his grf is nice, sure
16:32:59  <Brianetta> but clearly it's only intended for Patch
16:33:25  <Ammler> he is also very active on the german translation thread...
16:33:42  <Brianetta> Is he translating for OpenTTD, Patch or just whingeing about it?
16:33:47  <planetmaker> yeah... arguing for the spelling around 1830...
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16:34:38  <Celestar> *sigh*
16:34:45  <Celestar> people just let MB yell and ignore him
16:34:52  <planetmaker> ^^ yeah.
16:35:01  <Rubidium> Celestar: been doing that for a long time already
16:35:13  <Celestar> :/ cyrus has mysteriously managed to duplicate all e-mails in my inbox
16:35:21  <Celestar> and now yells at me for exceeding my quota
16:35:28  <planetmaker> lol
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16:36:00  <Ammler> Celestar: dovecot
16:36:08  <Celestar> Ammler: ?
16:36:14  <planetmaker> Rubidium: it doesn't help those people to become better - but it certainly helps the channel / forum atmosphere :)
16:36:42  <planetmaker> err... in a way as arguing senselessly doesn't help anyone.
16:36:56  <planetmaker> (not implying that you are as bad :) )
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16:39:05  <Ammler> Celestar: my imap/pop server
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16:41:31  <planetmaker> ... well blah blah. Just wanted to say: full ack :P
16:42:04  <sulai> hi there ;)
16:42:17  <planetmaker> si tacuissem...
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16:43:06  <Swallow> =if you had been silent?
16:44:15  <yorick> quite.
16:46:33  <Swallow> Also I'd like to report a minor cargodest issue...
16:46:48  <Swallow> Moving a station does not update the route cache
16:47:03  <yorick> Celestar: ping @ Swallow
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16:47:21  <yorick> acceptance change should
16:47:44  <planetmaker> [18:43]	<Swallow>	=if you had been silent? <-- yeah. Been talking rubish and that too much :P
16:48:19  <yorick> what?
16:48:41  <Celestar> yorick: ?
16:48:50  <yorick> Swallow>	Moving a station does not update the route cache
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16:51:15  <yorick> KUDr, we missed you and all :)
16:51:29  <Celestar> KUDr: :o
16:51:32  <Celestar> hi :D
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16:52:00  <KUDr> hello
16:52:02  <yorick> is this the part where we turn out to be missing another kudr?
16:52:36  <KUDr> heh, who missed me and why?
16:52:45  <yorick> 2/3 of the channel
16:52:54  <Celestar> me for example
16:53:09  <Ammler> how would the nightly server show OSX builds, when they are there?
16:53:12  <KUDr> huh, really? I would tell that 2/3 don't know me
16:53:26  <Ammler> like Linux: linux-generic-i686
16:53:28  <yorick> Celestar for example
16:53:39  <ln> i think KUDr was last mentioned when the explicit destructor calls were under discussion.
16:53:44  <KUDr> :) yes, Celestak knows me well
16:53:48  <KUDr> r
16:53:49  <yorick> celestar makes up 2/3 of the channel by his own
16:53:49  <Belugas> too humble :)  they all know who you are, your name is on our About ;)
16:53:49  <Celestar> @seen KUDr
16:53:49  <DorpsGek> Celestar: KUDr was last seen in #openttd 1 second ago: <KUDr> r
16:53:54  <Rubidium> Ammler: like osx I think
16:54:03  <Celestar> ln: I think you are right
16:54:04  <Ammler> that short?
16:54:21  <Rubidium> are there many OSX flavours?
16:54:57  <Rubidium> Ammler: or should we call it osx-crappy-stupid-apple-will-not-work-on-intel-leotard-because-they-got-annoyed
16:55:13  <Ammler> hehe, yeah, I take that :-)
16:56:07  <Rubidium> anyhow, they'll be called just like the releases are called
16:56:23  <Rubidium> just like for the other OSes
16:57:47  <Ammler> oh, there are osxs already
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17:05:09  <Brianetta>
17:05:12  <Brianetta> There we go.
17:05:14  <Brianetta> I'm off home.
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17:05:54  <Celestar> I've gotta go
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17:10:35  <peter1138> Hmm well...
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17:14:47  <Ammler> is there also a "locical" way from finger to the repos?
17:15:21  <peter1138> What is 'locical'?
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17:16:44  <Ammler> :-) that might be the question...
17:17:36  <yorick> rephrase?
17:19:23  <Ammler> the custom repos seems be made randomly...
17:20:35  <peter1138> Logical, do you mean, maybe?
17:21:05  <Ammler> ah. yep.
17:25:07  <yorick> <-- I would not mind if he was banned from the openttd section, he keeps bumping old topics
17:26:50  <lilman424> i downloaded what i believe to be the latest version of the OpenGFX rail vehicles, and the wood and steel trucks have some nice pretty white lines on the / diagonal
17:29:22  <Ammler> lilman424: check the 8bpp topic and report it, if not already done...
17:29:32  <lilman424> k
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17:34:01  <Wolf01> hello
17:35:32  <ln> ciaö
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17:37:04  <Ammler> lilman424: I reported something similar, but I guess, current process is stocked because of License questions...
17:37:39  <yorick> I don't see their problems...
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17:39:10  <peter1138> stocked?
17:39:34  <Ammler> oh, is that also wrong?
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17:39:46  <SmatZ> yorick: <== here you can see their problems
17:39:57  <Ammler> mÀh, I have no dictionary currently :-)
17:39:57  <yorick> :-p
17:40:34  <Ammler> well, but stocked isn't that wrong, is it?
17:40:47  <Ammler> like paused...
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17:43:33  <yorick> "Commercial use by OpenTTD - Very happy" NEVER put OpenTTD and commercial together on the same line
17:43:58  <Ammler> why?
17:44:07  <yorick> OpenTTD != commercial
17:44:20  <Ammler> I have pressed already some CDs :P
17:44:35  <SmatZ> [19:44:09] <yorick> OpenTTD != commercial <== you just "put OpenTTD and commercial together on the same line"
17:44:51  <yorick> != is exception
17:45:37  <Ammler> who would stop you from selling OpenTTD?
17:45:44  <yorick> the gpl?
17:45:56  <Ammler> you might need to read it...
17:46:21  <yorick> heh
17:47:14  <yorick> what kind of sprite sorter puts aqueducts behind dock roofs?
17:49:11  <yorick> what kind of sprite sorter doesn't see the difference between canal sprites and aqueduct sprites?
17:51:57  <sulai> Hey guys... I think there is a little bug in web translator2, which keeps me from updating the german translation
17:52:06  <sulai> with who could I talk about that?
17:52:28  <yorick> mihamix
17:52:56  <sulai> is he often here in #openttd?
17:53:02  <yorick> yes
17:53:07  <peter1138> No he's not.
17:53:11  <peter1138> @seen mihamix
17:53:11  <DorpsGek> peter1138: mihamix was last seen in #openttd 34 weeks, 6 days, 21 hours, 31 minutes, and 33 seconds ago: <MiHaMiX> s/t$/d/
17:53:19  <yorick> he doest say much
17:53:22  <yorick> @seen miham
17:53:22  <DorpsGek> yorick: I have not seen miham.
17:53:42  <sulai> okay... I'll send him a mail
17:53:42  <yorick> try #openttd.wt2
17:53:48  <sulai> I will do
17:53:58  <Belugas> # HEAD DOWN
17:54:09  <planetmaker> @seen miham*
17:54:09  <DorpsGek> planetmaker: miham* could be MiHaMeK (32 weeks, 4 days, 23 hours, 6 minutes, and 59 seconds ago) or MiHaMiX (34 weeks, 6 days, 21 hours, 32 minutes, and 30 seconds ago)
17:55:29  <sulai> he is in  #openttd.wt2
17:55:56  <yorick> he always is
17:59:08  <sulai> Maybe you guys can help me too
17:59:39  <sulai> In the german lang file, when using:
17:59:41  <sulai> {G "einen " "eine " "ein " ""}
18:00:10  <sulai> this should accepted by OTTD as "G" with 4 parameters, shouldn't it?
18:00:15  <sulai> does it?
18:00:47  <sulai> note the space after the word "einen"
18:02:58  <Rubidium> well, strgen doesn't support that
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18:03:56  <sulai> Rubidium it does not? hm... this is interesting
18:04:14  <Rubidium> have you actually tried it in strgen first?
18:05:06  <sulai> I've just compiled it using mingw... that worked fine
18:06:50  <Rubidium> ah, shouldn't add a gender too as that breaks the file on many places
18:07:29  <sulai> we've updated all occurences of {G ...}
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18:24:11  <Prof_Frink> Aargh!
18:24:42  <Prof_Frink> I do believe that's the first time I've had to do that in #openttd.
18:24:52  <peter1138> What, "Aargh!" ?
18:25:12  <Prof_Frink> Yes.
18:26:36  <peter1138> Why as that required?
18:27:17  <Prof_Frink> For reasons older than openttd.
18:28:06  <peter1138> And I shall go Aargh! at sites that now require VBV :o
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19:08:22  <yorick> r14332 is also going to be backported to 0.6?
19:09:13  <Belugas> dunno.  i don't know how the savegame bump will affect 0.6 vs nightlies
19:09:21  <Belugas> not to me to tell, honestly
19:09:27  <Belugas> THOSE who KNOW
19:09:50  <Belugas> plus, it's not as much a bug as it is a re-balancing ;)
19:09:56  <frosch123> could be 0.6.5 :p
19:10:03  <peter1138> 14332? Nope.
19:10:29  <peter1138> It's not a bug-fix per-se.
19:10:50  <peter1138> It's a "OMG I DON'T LIKE THIS BEHAVIOUR" fix
19:10:59  <yorick> it is a "fix"
19:11:05  <Belugas> nope
19:11:10  <Belugas> it was noted as fix
19:11:20  <yorick> then I call it a "fix"
19:11:25  <peter1138> Should be a -Feature
19:11:26  <Belugas> but i had no iead on how to call it
19:11:41  <peter1138> But, never mind.
19:12:11  <peter1138> 80GB!
19:12:28  <Belugas> -Rebalancing(BiggerMaps):
19:12:43  <Belugas> the valid keywords are...
19:12:47  <Forked> someone make a song about peter and his gigabytes..
19:12:56  <Rubidium> peter1138: how many gigabits to go?
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19:32:21  <welshdragon> that was a busy join/part period
19:32:39  <Forked> who won?
19:32:51  <Bjarni> you
19:33:11  <Forked> that's not fair, I always win
19:33:19  <Bjarni> not you, you
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19:33:39  <Bjarni> damn
19:33:43  <Bjarni> now the winner left
19:34:41  <sulai> I'm not sure, is this a bug: when I enable "show building tools when no suitable vehicles are available", then I can't build stuff like monorail 1950. Is something else meant by this setting, or is this setting broken?
19:34:53  <murray>
19:35:05  <Forked> pretty old by now that link :)
19:35:14  <murray> oh :p
19:35:38  <Bjarni> murray: fake :P
19:35:51  <murray> no way ! :p
19:35:58  <Bjarni> it's not live
19:36:04  <Bjarni> it happened several days ago
19:36:13  <SmatZ> sulai: no bug
19:36:14  <murray> yeah but because of a time rift
19:36:16  <murray> we see it now
19:36:45  <Forked> I thought the rift was in Cardiff (source: Torchwood, Doctor Who spinoff series)
19:36:55  <sulai> SmatZ: what is meant by this setting then?
19:37:26  <SmatZ> sulai: it disables docks and such
19:37:32  <SmatZ> when you can't build ships
19:37:51  <sulai> oh, okay
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20:27:04  <peter1138> 81GB!
20:28:10  <Noldo> of what?
20:28:22  <Bjarni> txt files
20:28:24  <Bjarni> handwritten
20:28:31  <Noldo> ooooh
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20:29:26  <Bjarni> I know a guy who filled a 20 mb HD with plain text files
20:29:41  <Bjarni> well, one mb was used for the text editor and the OS
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20:29:43  <peter1138> millibit?
20:29:50  <Bjarni> *MB
20:30:26  <ln> can't dereference a non-pointer
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20:38:03  <peter1138> Headphones!
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20:42:08  <Belugas> don't need them for today, bye bye :)
20:42:17  <Belugas> good eveningi/night
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20:43:20  <Ammler> how do I update to the hg revison hc23c4457?
20:43:37  <peter1138> hg update -r c23c4457 or something?
20:43:46  <Ammler> didn't work
20:44:08  <Ammler> might it be, because it isn't the whole rev string?
20:44:47  <peter1138> Less of the commas
20:45:00  <Wolf01> 'night
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20:46:57  <Eddi|zuHause> <Ammler> can I change the delimeter now only with custom currency? <- yes, currently only the currency separator can be changed. also, my patch doesn't touch currencies at all.
20:47:25  <Eddi|zuHause> <Celestar> ok yapp, cargodest, IS, newgrf_ports, railtypes, roadtypes ... maybe the next revision should be 0.8 :P <- throw in really_open_and_free_gfx and you can call it 1.0 ;)
20:47:34  <peter1138> Eddi|zuHause!
20:47:48  <Eddi|zuHause> that's me
20:50:21  <Ammler> does america also use "," as 1000er delimeter?
20:50:30  <Brianetta> yes
20:51:18  <Ammler> and britain, I assume?
20:51:34  <peter1138> Yes.
20:51:43  <peter1138> Because . is the decimal point...
20:51:57  <peter1138> Delimiter, of course.
20:52:57  <Ammler> we use also . as decimal delimiter but single quote (') as 1000er...
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20:55:04  <Ammler> Eddi|zuHause: since you told about I need now the custom currency, never had problems before with those commans :P
20:55:07  <Ammler> -s
20:55:46  <Eddi|zuHause> i've used custom currency for ages
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20:55:56  <Eddi|zuHause> ever since the € used , as delimiter...
20:57:00  <Eddi|zuHause> hm... 17,92€... that's not gonna last long...
20:57:28  <Ammler> well, the custom currency is ok, so I can life if you patch for germans :-)
20:58:10  <Eddi|zuHause> well, the next thing would be a patch to use a language other than english as fallback
20:58:30  <Eddi|zuHause> then you can make a de_CH localisation without doing a full translation
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20:58:59  <Eddi|zuHause> untranslated strings would then fall back to the regular german
21:00:37  <peter1138> de_AMMLER
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21:18:44  <dih> peter1138, not such a wise idea :-P
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21:20:52  <peter1138> Surely not, Dihedral.
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21:49:42  <sulai> using mingw i get a compilation error when trying to compile the latest revision
21:49:42  <sulai> aircraft_cmd.o:aircraft_cmd.cpp:(.text+0x5622): undefined reference to `EngineReplacement(EngineRenew*, unsigned short, unsigned short)'
21:49:50  <Phantasm> Hmmn.. 12 seconds to generate 2048x2048 map on sub-arctic with hard difficulity setting.
21:50:18  <Eddi|zuHause> [15.09.2008 20:00] <sulai> note the space after the word "einen"
21:50:19  <Eddi|zuHause> [15.09.2008 20:03] <Rubidium> well, strgen doesn't support that
21:50:42  <Eddi|zuHause> i've not seen any problems with it... why would strgen not tell that it has problems with that?
21:55:09  <sulai> did you actually test that message in question in-game? did it work?
21:55:46  <Eddi|zuHause> yes, i tested it (although a while back)
21:56:09  <Eddi|zuHause> like i said, the diff is over half a year old
21:57:51  <glx> <sulai> using mingw i get a compilation error when trying to compile the latest revision <-- trunk?
21:57:59  <sulai> yes
21:58:07  <glx> works for me
21:58:14  <Eddi|zuHause> you could work around that problem, because vehicle types don't actually occur in plural, but that would indeed be "hacky"
21:59:00  <glx> sulai: make clean should solve it
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21:59:28  <sulai> glx: strange... i tried make clean and ./configure, but it didn't work after that, too
21:59:47  <sulai> glx: are you using mingw too?
21:59:50  <glx> yes
21:59:59  <glx> and my 3 trunks compiled
22:01:12  <sulai> Eddi|zuHause: we now added the string like this:
22:01:12  <sulai> {GOLD}Wir haben {G "einen" "eine" "ein" ""} neue{G n "" s ""} {0:STRING} entwickelt. {}Sind Sie daran interessiert, {G 0 den die das die} {0:STRING} ein Jahr lang exklusiv zu nutzen, so dass wir die Funktionen testen können, bevor {G 0 er sie es sie} allgemein zur VerfÌgung gestellt {G 0 wird wird wird werden}?
22:01:22  <sulai> it *is* kind of hacky
22:02:13  <sulai> if ottd supported strings like "eine ", then we should use it
22:02:42  <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: later I said that it was a mistake of me trying to test it
22:03:00  <Eddi|zuHause> ah, so it really should work...
22:03:02  <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: so strgen works, but WT2 doesn't and I don't have any hope in getting WT2 fixed
22:03:21  <Rubidium> looked at it and failed to find where the error is actually created
22:03:25  <Eddi|zuHause> well, i have no way to test WT2 ;)
22:03:34  <glx> WT2 source is hard to read
22:03:41  <Eddi|zuHause> i'm not even a translator
22:04:37  <sulai> Rubidium: maybe this single string can be put into german.txt by someone who has direct access to german.txt
22:04:43  <sulai> svn
22:05:20  <SmatZ> hello dih :)
22:05:21  <Rubidium> and then find out that WT2 doesn't want to understand it when importing trunk?
22:05:43  <Rubidium> and thus reverting the string again in trunk (like it has done before)
22:05:50  <sulai> originally the string should look like this:
22:05:50  <sulai> +STR_8101_WE_HAVE_JUST_DESIGNED_A                                :{GOLD}Wir haben {G "einen " "eine " "ein " ""}neue{G n "" s ""} {0:STRING} entwickelt. {}Sind Sie daran interessiert, {G 0 den die das die} {0:STRING} ein Jahr lang exklusiv zu nutzen, so dass wir die Funktionen testen können, bevor {G 0 er sie es sie} allgemein zur VerfÌgung gestellt {G 0 wird wird wird werden}?
22:05:54  <Eddi|zuHause> that was "fun" :p
22:06:34  <Rubidium> sulai: if WT2 breaks on it while entering it manually, it'll break even harder when entering it via SVN
22:07:00  <sulai> hm... ok
22:08:54  <Rubidium> though I've heard that some people are working on a replacement for WT2
22:08:58  <Eddi|zuHause> well, the extra space in the string is not hurting as long as nobody introduces a plural vehicle type ;)
22:09:29  <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: do those exist?
22:09:57  <sulai> Rubidium: not until now
22:09:59  <Eddi|zuHause> not currently... in my diff, the only word using the "plural gender" is "oil wells"
22:10:56  <Rubidium> you could also consider using cases instead of using genders
22:10:57  <Eddi|zuHause> as in "oil wells ARE built" vs. "industry IS built"... the other gender changes are only because there has to be the same number of genders everywhere
22:11:08  <Eddi|zuHause> cases are the wrong way around
22:11:40  <Rubidium> that sucks
22:11:44  <Eddi|zuHause> cases are properties from the outside influencing an inside string, where genders are a property of the inside string influencing the outside string
22:12:54  <Eddi|zuHause> but maybe i have studied too much language theory :p
22:15:59  <welshdragon> yo Devs: feature for next nightly/stable in multiplayer games: administrators can reset company passwords
22:16:16  * welshdragon forgot his password and has now lost his company
22:16:49  <glx> use autoclean
22:17:17  <welshdragon> to get rid of the company?
22:17:26  <glx> there are 2 steps
22:17:32  <welshdragon> no, i just want to have the password reset
22:17:52  *** Sacro_ [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd
22:17:59  <Rubidium> where step 1 is removing the password from unpopulated companies
22:18:26  <welshdragon> hmm?
22:19:38  <Eddi|zuHause> 1. remove password
22:19:40  <Eddi|zuHause> 2. ???
22:19:43  <Eddi|zuHause> 3. profit!
22:19:48  <Phantasm> Hmmn.. OTTD sound effects cause errors to foobar2000 music playback.
22:20:06  <Rubidium> step 2 is removing the company
22:20:47  <welshdragon> Rubidium, i don't want the company removing
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22:21:03  <welshdragon> it is worth £3 million
22:21:04  <Tefad> hehe fb2k rocks.
22:21:12  <Eddi|zuHause> hm... either the timer of KSudoku overflows, or it pauses while minimised
22:21:23  *** stillunknown [] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
22:21:39  <Eddi|zuHause> it says i finished a sudoku in 219 minutes even though i started it like 2 days ago
22:21:57  <Rubidium> welshdragon: it isn't going to remove the password and immediatelly remove the company too
22:21:59  *** Sacro_ is now known as Sacro
22:22:01  <Eddi|zuHause> welshdragon: it just means you have to interrupt it before it gets to step 2
22:22:24  <welshdragon> aah
22:22:31  <welshdragon> how long does that give mr?
22:22:34  <welshdragon> me even
22:22:42  <Eddi|zuHause> welshdragon: at least 1 month
22:22:51  <Eddi|zuHause> or day?
22:22:55  <Eddi|zuHause> not sure
22:22:59  <Eddi|zuHause> depends on setting ;)
22:23:28  <welshdragon> Brianetta, you heard the men: let's go! to the standard server!
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22:24:58  <Chrill> Brianetta, look on #tycoon please, kthanks
22:25:24  <Brianetta> Chrill: Don't make me harm you
22:25:30  <TrueBrain> Brianetta: can you also check my dishes please?
22:25:37  <welshdragon> Chrill, don't make him harm you :P]
22:25:44  <Phantasm> Any way to turn of all sounds whatsoever in OTTD?
22:25:51  <Chrill> welshdragon, don't make me harm Eoin
22:25:53  <Brianetta> TrueBrain: They're fine.
22:25:53  <TrueBrain> Phantasm: start with -snull
22:26:00  <Brianetta> They're plural.
22:26:18  <TrueBrain> Brianetta: tnx!
22:26:19  <TrueBrain> :)
22:26:38  <Brianetta> (:
22:26:52  <TrueBrain> that's for sure ..
22:27:01  <TrueBrain> in my case a double plural wouldn't even cover it ..
22:27:08  <TrueBrain> (I didn't do the dishes for like 3 weeks :p)
22:27:20  <Rubidium> TrueBrain: I let Truus do them
22:27:24  <Eddi|zuHause> where did you cat so many dishes?
22:27:25  <Brianetta> welshdragon: You want me to autoclean the server?
22:27:29  <Phantasm> TrueBrain: Thx.
22:27:31  <TrueBrain> Rubidium: can she come here too?
22:27:33  <welshdragon> please :P
22:27:42  <Brianetta> No.
22:27:46  <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: in a box! :)
22:27:55  <TrueBrain> (serious, they are in a box)
22:27:55  <Brianetta> *All* protected, unoccupied companies will lose their passwords.
22:28:02  <Brianetta> Not just yours.
22:28:29  <Rubidium> with some gdb magic you should be able to reset passwords too
22:28:39  <Brianetta> Rubidium: I used to be able to use that to get them
22:28:42  <Brianetta> but they're hashed now
22:28:57  <Brianetta> apparently, there were plans to put them into the saved game
22:29:03  <Brianetta> but this wasn't completed
22:29:54  <Brianetta> so Eoin and welshdragon are, in a word, unemployed.  Out of their company.
22:30:07  *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
22:30:23  <TrueBrain> bah, working with git for like 2 minutes, and I hate it already. .. complete lack of clearness ..
22:30:27  <ln>
22:30:36  <welshdragon> Brianetta, i shall go round and give them all the password dradnats
22:30:49  <Brianetta> welshdragon: And how will you tell the owners?
22:31:02  <welshdragon> by sitting on the server
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22:31:24  <glx> <Brianetta> apparently, there were plans to put them into the saved game <-- IIRC the plan was to never put them in the savegame
22:31:31  <Brianetta> They'll try to connect, but own't be able to join their company
22:31:42  <glx> but maybe in an extra file
22:31:49  *** Sacro_ is now known as Sacsro
22:31:51  <Brianetta> glx: No; this would reveal them.  But I'm told that this is why they got hashed.
22:31:52  *** Sacsro is now known as Sacro
22:32:41  <welshdragon> Sacro, stop being a 'tard]
22:32:50  <Sacro> ?
22:32:56  <Sacro> at least I remember my passwords
22:32:57  <Prof_Frink> welshdragon: He can't help it.
22:33:21  <welshdragon> Sacro, I bloody told Eoin the pasword, but he was ignoring me
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22:34:17  <Brianetta> I think it's hilarious that you trusted the password only to an ephemeral, unlogged in-game private message. (:
22:34:39  <welshdragon> what? can you see it :P
22:34:48  <Brianetta> No I can't
22:34:56  <Brianetta> It was ephemeral, it was unlogged, and it was private
22:35:11  <welshdragon> oh damn it
22:35:35  * welshdragon fumbles through his passwords list
22:35:35  <Brianetta> I can give you the hash, if you like
22:35:42  <welshdragon> go on...
22:35:48  <Brianetta> Give me a minute
22:36:48  <TrueBrain> you get 2! :)
22:36:48  * welshdragon gives him 30 seconds
22:37:43  <Brianetta> What's the gdb command to dump core?
22:37:59  * Rubidium gives Brianetta the 30th minute
22:39:58  * welshdragon gives Brianetta 24 hours
22:42:47  <Eddi|zuHause> if you can get the hash, can't you replace it with something known?
22:43:08  <Brianetta> no
22:43:09  <Rubidium> Brianetta: I seem to remember giving you the command but I can't remember, nor find it in the logs
22:43:19  <Brianetta> I grab the core, run it through strings, an dscan fo rthe data by eye
22:43:33  <Brianetta> Rubidium: I've done it in the past, many times, but can't find it in my history
22:44:08  <Rubidium> dump memory?
22:44:43  <Rubidium> maybe generate-core-file
22:45:37  <Phantasm> Full load any cargo seems to work as full load all with airplanes.
22:45:49  <Phantasm> Newest nightly build.. Is that intentional or bug? ;P
22:45:55  <Rubidium> intentional
22:46:11  <Rubidium> otherwise it'd leave with mail and no passengers
22:46:33  <Brianetta> generate-core-file
22:46:34  <Brianetta> win
22:46:54  <Phantasm> Rubidium: No way for full load mail + load any passengers there are?
22:46:56  <Rubidium> any cargo works like full load passengers for aircraft
22:46:59  <Brianetta> welshdragon: 15abe622d0763b7c262927881b05980a
22:47:06  <Rubidium> Phantasm: nope
22:47:34  <Brianetta> Wait, why are the company passwords hashed, but not the server password nor the rcon password?
22:47:36  <welshdragon> ok......
22:47:52  <Brianetta> welshdragon: It's likely MD5
22:47:52  * TrueBrain figures out welshdragon's password :)
22:48:21  <welshdragon> TrueBrain, go for it
22:48:24  <Rubidium> TrueBrain: first acquire the correct seed
22:48:38  <TrueBrain> Rubidium: well, in 12 years I know! :)
22:49:43  <Brianetta> "15abe622d0763b7c262927881b05980a not found in our open database."
22:50:03  <TrueBrain> Brianetta: I got the same :p
22:50:17  <Brianetta> TrueBrain: Would you happen to know if they're salted hashes?
22:50:40  <Rubidium> Brianetta: they are
22:50:45  <welshdragon> was that sarcasm?
22:50:57  <Brianetta> That wasn't.
22:51:09  <Brianetta> Salting makes it a few orders of magnitude more difficult to crack.
22:51:35  <Rubidium> salt made of a server specific part and a game specific part
22:51:58  <welshdragon> ouch
22:52:06  <Brianetta> Well, I have a core dump...
22:52:37  <Rubidium> though a client can easily request that data
22:53:00  <Brianetta> Can a core dump be used to continue execution of a program after a reboot>
22:53:01  <Brianetta> ?
22:53:10  <Brianetta> That'd be cool
22:53:24  <Brianetta> I suppose the file handles would be all screwed
22:53:44  * Brianetta searches
22:53:54  <sulai> Rubidium: though a client can easily request that data <- maybe a little off-topic: what about making ottd downloading the required NewGrf files from the server too
22:53:55  <Brianetta> score
22:53:58  <Brianetta>
22:54:10  <TrueBrain> Brianetta: there are tools that 'suspend' an application
22:54:15  <TrueBrain> and allow resuming later
22:54:20  <Brianetta> Yes, I just found one (:
22:54:26  <TrueBrain> fails mostly on /dev access
22:54:53  <DaleStan> sulai: That has been suggested several dozen times before. Try searching the forums, please. And the  IRC logs, though I'm not sure if that'll be as helpful
22:55:18  <TrueBrain> well, the tests I did on it anyway :p
22:56:19  * SmatZ bashes himself for "it's" in r14336 commit message...
22:56:27  <Brianetta> sulai: Main gist is, newgrfs aren't ours to automatically distribute.
22:56:42  <TrueBrain> Rubidium: xor'd, bah :p
22:56:45  <TrueBrain> (salt, that is)
22:56:51  <sulai> Brianetta: oh, I see
22:57:59  <Eddi|zuHause> sulai: that's like building a filesharing client into a video player
22:58:49  <Brianetta> Other games which do this sort of thing, did this sort of thing before any add-ons were made, and made it clear then that files would be subject to distribution.
22:58:56  <Prof_Frink> Eddi|zuHause: That's a genius idea.
22:59:02  <Brianetta> Newgrf authors have no such prior notice.
23:00:40  <Eddi|zuHause> well, german copyright does allow "temporary" copying of copyrighted data that is technically required for "playback"
23:00:45  *** reldred is now known as reldred|gone
23:01:05  <Eddi|zuHause> (which usually means copying into ram of some sort)
23:01:21  <sulai> so, what about adding a flag die GRF files, which indicade that the author allows automatic distribution
23:01:57  <Eddi|zuHause> sulai: that is genious. why did no previous suggestor think of this?
23:02:08  *** Yeggstry is now known as Yeggzzz
23:02:27  <sulai> I assume this was ironic, eddi?
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23:02:31  <Brianetta> sulai: Been suggested.
23:02:36  <Eddi|zuHause> no. :p
23:02:46  * SmatZ 's irony-meter goes out of the scale!
23:02:51  <sulai> hm, okay then... I'd better be off to work ;P
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23:03:09  <Brianetta> It's just never going to happen.
23:03:10  <Eddi|zuHause> at 1AM? you have weird work times
23:03:15  <Brianetta> We might as well leave it there (:
23:04:55  <sulai> If i was a GRF author, I would set this flag because then it gets more distributed and more people play it ;)
23:05:02  <sulai> howerver :X
23:05:05  <welshdragon> sigh
23:05:06  <Eddi|zuHause>
23:05:56  <Eddi|zuHause> if you interprete that paragraph very freely, that would include copying of newgrfs together with the map
23:06:08  <SmatZ> sulai: there is the argument that modifying a grf and adding such a flag isn't a hard process
23:06:13  <TrueBrain> sulai: I agree with you, but sadly enough a few GRF authors are not that open minded ...
23:06:36  <Brianetta> Blunck.
23:06:40  <TrueBrain> SmatZ: neither is cracking a game ;) Still not very legal :)
23:06:44  <TrueBrain> Brianetta: to name one person ;)
23:06:58  <Brianetta> He's really managed to piss me off today.
23:07:03  <Eddi|zuHause> although courts are known to judge these "boundaries" of copyright very strict
23:07:07  <TrueBrain> so I read .. and that on a post of a few weeks ago ;_
23:07:28  <Brianetta> Well, it only came to light for me today
23:07:32  <TrueBrain> Brianetta: but you are right; from now on I will do my atmost never to use his grfs too
23:08:08  * Rubidium also has OzTransLtd on that list
23:08:26  <Eddi|zuHause> i don't really understand all the fuzz about MB
23:08:27  <TrueBrain> I really really don't get it, how you can be so closed minded, that you want your grf to only work for ttdp ...
23:08:47  <Brianetta> Eddi: He seems to hate OpenTTD beyond what I'd call reasonable
23:08:54  <TrueBrain> like you make a car-seat and you only want it to be used in a BMW!
23:09:16  *** Sacro is now known as Sacrn
23:09:27  <Brianetta> Or making an Open Office XML file format and only wanting it to run on Microsoft Office...
23:09:31  *** Chrill is now known as Chriln
23:09:51  *** Chriln is now known as Chrill
23:09:53  <TrueBrain> Brianetta: nice example :) Sadly enough that is what is happening too ... ;)
23:10:23  <Brianetta> Except this isn't being done by Microsoft... can you imagine Patchman endorsing this behaviour?
23:10:40  <TrueBrain> hehe
23:10:41  <TrueBrain> true :)
23:10:57  <TrueBrain> I will patchman closed minded too, and most likely he would agree ;)
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23:11:07  <Eddi|zuHause> well, for "hating" OpenTTD he's doing a lot of effort to include OpenTTD-only features into his next DBSetXL version ;)
23:11:10  *** Sacrn is now known as Sacro
23:11:18  <TrueBrain> +call
23:11:28  <Eddi|zuHause> (like pre-1920 engines)
23:11:30  <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: and how long would that work ;)
23:11:45  <Brianetta> Well, it's after midnight local, and I need to be up for a meeting first thing
23:12:10  <Brianetta> so it's gute Nacht from me
23:12:11  <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: isn't that like Duke Nukem Forever?
23:12:13  <TrueBrain> but okay, I never understood the fuzz about ttdp 'against' OpenTTD
23:12:23  <TrueBrain> Brianetta: sleep well
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23:12:28  <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: yeah, but that's a different story :p
23:12:28  <Brianetta> (:
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23:13:09  <TrueBrain> OpenTTD, ttdp, who cares, as long as you enjoy the game, not?
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23:18:32  <welshdragon> TrueBrain, any luck with that password?
23:18:41  <TrueBrain> welshdragon: I wasn't even trying
23:18:51  <welshdragon> :'
23:18:53  <TrueBrain> if you can't remember your own password, well ...
23:19:28  <TrueBrain> Rubidium: how many chars is a password?
23:19:35  <welshdragon> i blame my partner for forgetting the password, which i sent over to him in a PM
23:19:58  <TrueBrain> and clearly you forgot it too
23:20:02  <welshdragon> TrueBrain, if you can just figure out any of the letters
23:20:03  <TrueBrain> I suggest using passwords like 'a' or 'b'
23:20:20  <welshdragon> i think it was 5 characters long
23:20:47  <TrueBrain> @calc pow(256, 5)
23:20:47  <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: 1099511627776
23:20:55  <TrueBrain> not bad ;)
23:21:54  <TrueBrain> welshdragon: even if you would find the original value for the md5, you will never get the seed without Brianette's help
23:21:59  <TrueBrain> and without it, never your password
23:22:07  <TrueBrain> and also, I don't care :p
23:22:30  <welshdragon> thanks anyway TrueBrain,
23:22:36  * welshdragon racks hos brains
23:22:50  <TrueBrain> welshdragon: good luck with it ;)
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23:27:27  <Phantasm> Ack.. How am I supposed to get even a single city level airport with noise limit on?
23:27:39  <Phantasm> All towns limit noise to 3, so I would have to build one insanely far away from it.
23:27:50  <Phantasm> Even a town of 3 065 people limits noise to 3.
23:27:56  <Phantasm> And city airport does 5 noise.
23:28:42  <welshdragon> Phantasm, park and ride!
23:28:56  <Phantasm> Huh?
23:29:17  <welshdragon> create the airport a driveable distance away
23:29:40  <welshdragon> create a bus station next to it and in the town/city centre
23:29:49  <Phantasm> Ugh..
23:30:10  <welshdragon> easiest solution :P
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23:32:13  <Phantasm> Seems OTTD still uses sound even with -snull parameter.. Nothing is outputted, but it is using the sound system in some way.
23:32:32  <TrueBrain> -mnull disabled music ;)
23:32:42  <Phantasm> I have no music files.
23:32:52  <Phantasm> So it won't play music.
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23:34:02  <Phantasm> Same with -snull -mnull.
23:35:24  <Phantasm> So, I can't listen to music from foobar2000 while playing OTTD at all no matter the settings.
23:35:39  <TrueBrain> I have no problems with it what so ever :)
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23:47:37  <glx> Phantasm: linux?
23:47:58  <Phantasm> Windows server 2008 64 bit with 64 bit OTTD.
23:48:15  <Phantasm> (Effectively Vista SP1.)
23:53:56  <welshdragon> grr
23:54:03  * welshdragon is pissed off
23:55:34  <FauxFaux> Uh, why can't you have two active sound sources?
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