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00:00:46 <Progman> -s null works fine here with my audioplayer 00:01:25 <Progman> but I cannot hear music as openttd takes so much cpu time anyway ;) 00:02:24 <Phantasm> I have quad core. 00:06:15 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 00:06:30 <glx> so 3 cores are free 00:06:50 <SmatZ> :-) 00:07:32 * welshdragon throws a brick at Brianetta's server 00:07:47 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad103d2.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:08:04 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad34843.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 00:08:06 <welshdragon> i wish i didn't have to set passwords that had to be generic.. that way i wouldn't forget them :( 00:09:20 <welshdragon> there's a jam at one of my old stations and it pains me to look at it :'( 00:16:50 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1BBA7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:16:51 *** rortom_ [~rortom@p57B7E503.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:18:52 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@147.251.215.232] has quit [Quit: Quit] 00:22:30 <welshdragon> lol, i /kill'd the conversation 00:24:59 <Phantasm> ;P 00:25:27 * welshdragon throws another brick at Brianetta's server 00:26:43 <welshdragon> if i throw enough bricks do you think it will reset my password? 00:27:41 <valhallasw> I doubt it 00:27:59 <valhallasw> it will probaby just say *plonk* and continue 00:28:35 <welshdragon> aww 00:30:38 <Belugas> or break your screen 00:30:43 <Belugas> which would not help ya 00:31:14 * Belugas is fooling aorund with some objects loader 00:31:59 <welshdragon> Belugas, i wouldn't mind, but i offered to even reset the other company passwords too, so they didn't get eleted 00:32:05 <welshdragon> *deleted 00:32:32 <welshdragon> and sit on the server sending out notices 00:32:46 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B769AB.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 00:32:51 * Belugas will cry for you :) 00:33:07 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B76FC8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:33:43 <welshdragon> so inmy anger, i shalll go to bed 00:34:43 <welshdragon> Belugas, please look at implementing a way for server administrators to reset company passwords easily, without actualle cleaning the server. kthanks 00:35:24 *** welshdragon [~vista@host86-145-214-136.range86-145.btcentralplus.com] has left #openttd [i need sleep. and more bricks to throw at Brianetta's server] 00:36:22 <ln> intro to LHC: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j50ZssEojtM 00:37:35 <murray> live LHC cam: http://www.cyriak.co.uk/lhc/lhc-webcams.html 00:37:38 <murray> posted here earlier 00:37:55 <ln> that's a fake, the intro is not 00:38:30 <murray> the intro is not? 00:38:42 <ln> not fake 00:39:07 <murray> it's not fake 00:39:11 <murray> the intro 00:39:14 <murray> .. 00:41:56 <ln> echo? 00:43:39 <murray> ^^ 00:43:39 <murray> sorry 00:53:32 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-182-135.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:55:57 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad34843.bb.sky.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:56:06 *** pleeby [bleepy@5ad34843.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 01:02:14 *** pleeby is now known as bleepy 01:14:02 *** elmex [~elmex@e180064058.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:27:34 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 01:34:23 *** sunkan [sunkan@sunkan.bsnet.se] has quit [Quit: - nbs-irc 2.36 - www.nbs-irc.net -] 02:01:16 <Belugas> why do we have to always find ways to do stuff for server admins??? 02:01:24 * Belugas goes to bed 02:11:01 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 02:14:41 *** sunkan [sunkan@sunkan.bsnet.se] has joined #openttd 02:16:32 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:16:43 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:19:24 *** sunkan [sunkan@sunkan.bsnet.se] has quit [] 02:20:48 *** sunkan [sunkan@sunkan.bsnet.se] has joined #openttd 02:48:14 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 02:48:49 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 02:49:03 *** sulai [~Miranda@p5B2B613F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:49:52 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 02:51:00 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 02:51:34 *** reldred|gone is now known as reldred 02:55:39 *** sunkan [sunkan@sunkan.bsnet.se] has quit [autokilled: ~xxx@* Mail support@oftc.net with questions (2008-09-16 02:55:39)] 02:55:39 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad34843.bb.sky.com] has quit [autokilled: ~xxx@* Mail support@oftc.net with questions (2008-09-16 02:55:39)] 02:55:39 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@85.27.135.237] has quit [autokilled: ~xxx@* Mail support@oftc.net with questions (2008-09-16 02:55:39)] 02:55:39 *** Dr_Jekyll [Dr_Jekyll@p57B0C580.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [autokilled: ~xxx@* Mail support@oftc.net with questions (2008-09-16 02:55:39)] 02:55:39 *** Jupix [~jupix@dsl-lprbrasgw1-fee4df00-82.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [autokilled: ~xxx@* Mail support@oftc.net with questions (2008-09-16 02:55:39)] 02:55:39 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80805.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [autokilled: ~xxx@* Mail support@oftc.net with questions (2008-09-16 02:55:39)] 06:43:46 *** SpComb [terom@zapotek.paivola.fi] has joined #openttd 07:16:31 *** Celestar [~Jadzia_Da@129.187.69.65] has joined #openttd 07:16:34 *** mode/#openttd [+o Celestar] by ChanServ 07:17:51 *** Gekz_ [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 07:19:06 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:24:48 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5FFAE.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 07:32:29 *** CIA-1 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has joined #openttd 07:32:31 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-111-36.fttx.bbned.nl] has joined #openttd 07:37:06 *** Tim [83dc24f1@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 07:37:20 <Tim> Morning 07:38:04 <planetmaker> morning folks 07:39:18 *** Spoons [~faux@molotov.compsoc.warwick.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 07:41:30 <Celestar> \o 07:41:42 *** thingwath [~thingwath@147.251.200.254] has joined #openttd 07:41:42 <roboboy> hello 07:45:07 *** Netsplit resistance.oftc.net <-> saturn.oftc.net quits: Gekz_, Pikka 07:49:38 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad34843.bb.sky.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:50:01 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad34843.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 07:56:55 *** ln- [~lanurm@castor.utu.fi] has joined #openttd 07:57:13 <ln-> what did they do now? 07:57:21 <Forked> kill all 07:57:23 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: mikl] 08:01:17 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 08:01:40 <ln-> why? 08:01:57 *** CommanderZ [~matej@r9fi34.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 08:09:45 <roboboy> it is the bi-annual *@* akill from #oftc 08:11:55 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 08:14:04 *** Gekz_ [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 08:14:04 *** Pikka [~PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has joined #openttd 08:15:11 *** CIA-1 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:15:22 *** rortom [~rortom@p57B7C7E2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:15:50 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad34843.bb.sky.com] has quit [Quit: Annoy your roommate #156: Buy a plant. Sleep with it at night. Talk to it. After a few weeks, start to argue with it loudly. Then yell, "I can't live in t] 08:19:46 *** Jupix [~jupix@dsl-lprbrasgw1-fee4df00-82.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 08:23:51 *** CIA-1 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has joined #openttd 08:24:26 *** nekx [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 08:31:08 *** guru3 [~guru3@81-235-164-45-no21.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 08:32:05 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 08:36:03 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@a62-251-30-68.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 08:37:04 *** GoneWacko [~GoneWacko@dhcp-077-249-197-241.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 08:37:47 *** Kommer [kommer@vestingbar.student.utwente.nl] has joined #openttd 08:40:01 *** mode/#openttd [+v Celestar] by ChanServ 08:40:01 *** mode/#openttd [+v Rubidium] by ChanServ 08:40:01 *** mode/#openttd [+v DorpsGek] by ChanServ 08:40:04 *** mode/#openttd [+o peter1138] by ChanServ 08:55:34 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 08:57:53 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-229-188.prem.tmns.net.au] has joined #openttd 09:03:41 *** Pikka [~PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:03:51 *** CIA-1 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:25:58 *** Pikka [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has joined #openttd 09:51:57 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad456bb.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 09:53:19 *** Volley [~worf@84-119-46-6.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #openttd 10:06:39 *** Aylomen [~a@DSL01.83.171.174.123.ip-pool.NEFkom.net] has joined #openttd 10:06:51 *** murray [murray@2001:470:1f0a:1be::a1c0] has joined #openttd 10:08:03 <Eddi|zuHause> is CIA on strike for the last week? 10:12:10 *** kloopy [kloopy@kloopy.com] has joined #openttd 10:12:34 *** kloopy is now known as Kloopy 10:14:02 *** elmex [~elmex@e180069058.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 10:17:08 <CommanderZ> it was okay yesterday 10:17:25 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-75-74-51-51.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 10:23:36 *** SmatZ is now known as Guest26 10:23:37 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has joined #openttd 10:31:10 *** CIA-2 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has joined #openttd 10:31:51 <ccfreak2k> There's a CIA in #mumble at Freenode that announces SVN commits sporadically. 10:32:32 * Eddi|zuHause slaps CIA-2 10:32:44 * Eddi|zuHause kicks CIA-2 10:32:45 <CIA-2> ow 10:32:51 *** SmatZ is now known as Guest29 10:32:51 *** Guest26 is now known as SmatZ 10:35:38 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F7E1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:37:17 *** Guest29 [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:37:19 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:38:07 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 10:41:39 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 10:49:03 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:55:06 *** thingwath [~thingwath@147.251.200.254] has quit [Quit: It's all over.] 10:56:10 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-75-74-51-51.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:00:52 *** tegil [~asd@ti0056a340-dhcp0311.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 11:04:08 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:06:41 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 11:08:45 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 11:17:17 * dih would like to make some console changes ;-) 11:17:26 <dih> add some output 11:17:34 <dih> i.e. when a company goes bankrupt 11:17:50 <dih> output the client id when a client joins 11:17:57 <dih> or leaves 11:18:20 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@86.89.201.189] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 11:18:52 <Rubidium> oh... more yorick puppets 11:18:57 *** CIA-2 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:19:47 <dih> thanks! 11:19:53 <dih> i was kinda being serious 11:20:25 <dih> i was not even wanting to add commands, just debug output 11:20:47 <dih> and you instult me with a word i dont want to repeat here again 11:20:49 <dih> :-P 11:22:51 <Rubidium> what use it is? Except remotely logging all kinds of information via a client-slot 11:26:04 <Sacro> hehehehe 11:26:08 <Sacro> "client-slot" 11:27:27 <planetmaker> [13:22] <Rubidium> what use it is? Except remotely logging all kinds of information via a client-slot <-- autopilot could possibly make use of it. 11:28:43 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 11:30:21 *** welshdragon [~vista@host86-145-214-136.range86-145.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:30:36 *** welshdragon [~vista@host86-145-214-136.range86-145.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 11:31:16 <Ammler> Maybe it would be worth to ask Kurt for his patch. 11:32:52 <Ammler> Rubidium: the "old" nightly server is switched off? 11:33:05 <Ammler> no chance to get some builds? (like wwottdgd/1) 11:33:24 <Ammler> http://nightly.openttd.org/wwottdgd/ 11:33:28 <Rubidium> it's not turned of, don't know whether you can reach it though 11:33:42 <TrueBrain> no, you can't reach it 11:33:46 <Ammler> I would like to wget those 11:33:50 <welshdragon> dih, console too should be able to allow server admins the removal of company passwords, without cleaning the server 11:33:55 <Ammler> so we can save them with our save. 11:34:12 * Celestar wonders whether to poke TrueBrain for another cargodest build :P 11:34:20 <TrueBrain> Celestar: just let me know :) 11:34:33 * welshdragon wants to moan at Brianetta more 11:34:53 <Celestar> TrueBrain: ok. go ahead (= 11:35:28 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-170-132.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 11:35:51 <TrueBrain> [2008-09-16 11:35:43] Scheduled task 0000008 started 11:35:56 <TrueBrain> Cargodest == 0000008 11:35:57 <TrueBrain> :) 11:36:21 <Forked> woo 11:36:34 <TrueBrain> [2008-09-16 11:36:26] Task 0000053 created (hg://hg.openttd.org/developers/celestar/cargodest.hg, h2d7ff353) 11:37:35 <TrueBrain> Ammler: why didn't you download them when they were still available .. you of all people knew the old place would become unreachable (as I told you so :)) 11:37:39 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@bib-theater33.hku.nl] has joined #openttd 11:37:57 <Ammler> well, didn't think for wwottdgd 11:38:03 <TrueBrain> stu-pid :) 11:38:44 <Ammler> well, the world will still cycle without :-) 11:39:21 <Ammler> I thought, you won't make new nightlies anymore there 11:39:35 <Ammler> not that it isn't reachable at all. 11:40:00 <TrueBrain> what did I say about that ... if you keep things available, people don't switch? :p 11:40:10 <TrueBrain> http://binaries.openttd.org/temp/forAmmler/ 11:40:13 <TrueBrain> will be gone in like 20 minutes :p 11:40:54 *** Tim [83dc24f1@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 11:41:04 <Ammler> TrueBrain: they need to switch for new things... 11:44:14 *** Fuco [dota.keys@wireless-247.fi.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 11:45:22 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 11:46:06 *** Fuco [dota.keys@wireless-247.fi.muni.cz] has quit [] 11:46:50 <Rubidium> Celestar: http://rbijker.net/openttd/cargop.diff (don't think I've seen all, i.e. let other devs review too) 11:47:14 <Ammler> shouldn't "wget -m <url>" download all packs at once? 11:49:28 <Celestar> Rubidium: thanks. I'll look at it in a minute or two 11:50:54 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: you faked 'Rietveld' (remember, that piece of software we used a few times :p) 11:51:13 * ccfreak2k is still waiting for Tiberius to update his opengl patch. :( 11:51:15 <Celestar> Rubidium: I think the "XXX" are your command, right? 11:51:20 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: no, Rietfeld faked me! 11:51:22 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 11:51:25 <TrueBrain> lol 11:51:33 <TrueBrain> Celestar: no, that are compilable opcodes :p 11:52:40 <Rubidium> Celestar: no they are my comments, in the previous review cycle I used >>> so I added <<< to it 11:53:22 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [] 11:57:07 <peter1138> heh 11:57:09 <peter1138> XXX looks wrong to me! 11:57:30 <peter1138> Well I did try fixing it but he didn't want it :o 11:57:54 <Ammler> TrueBrain: now I know, why I can't mirror them :-) 11:57:58 <Ammler> got a 404ert 11:58:01 <Ammler> -t 11:58:01 <peter1138> (imho we should always be compatible with trunk, regardless of the ability to test previous saves) 11:58:18 *** izhirahider [~izzy@squareroot.divisionbyzero.net] has joined #openttd 11:58:42 <TrueBrain> Ammler: euh? 12:00:03 <Ammler> http://wwottdgd.openttdcoop.org/bundles/binaries.openttd.org/temp/forAmmler/OTTD-linux-amd64-wwottdgd-r11344-wwottdgd.tar.bz2 12:00:08 <Ammler> oh 12:00:11 <Ammler> sorry :-P 12:00:24 <TrueBrain> euh .. yeah ... 12:00:28 <TrueBrain> maybe better luck next time :p 12:00:39 *** Jezral [~projectjj@85.27.135.237] has joined #openttd 12:00:47 <TrueBrain> Ammler: soon I can create a new set of binaries for you, based on the new compile-farm 12:00:59 <TrueBrain> then it can stay under custom/ and use our bandwidth, for all I care 12:01:05 <TrueBrain> (and soon: MIRRORS!) 12:01:28 <Ammler> we are already at wwottdgd/2 12:01:47 <Ammler> but for wwottdgd/3, that might be useful :-) 12:01:47 <TrueBrain> there was already a 1 and 2, not? 12:01:51 <TrueBrain> ah, like that 12:01:52 <TrueBrain> hehe 12:02:12 <dih> Rubidium: autopilot (and some other applications) wrap around the dedicated console 12:02:21 <Ammler> but I like to keep the old binaries, because the saves aren't compatible to other binaries. 12:02:21 * peter1138 mirrors TrueBrain 12:02:30 <TrueBrain> peter1138: sounds painful :( 12:02:31 <dih> (as other apps, see Kurt's Servers) 12:03:14 <dih> keeping track of companies when there is one information missing, namely companies being closed due to bankrupcy 12:03:23 <Ammler> but why doesn't work my "wget -m". :-( 12:03:31 <dih> also - these wrapper aps (also admins) make use of client_id's 12:03:47 <TrueBrain> Ammler: by now you could have done it manual 12:03:59 <Ammler> well, of course. 12:04:09 <dih> is he asking for someone to code for him again? 12:04:14 <Ammler> but then I would still not know, what my problem is and can't sleep... 12:04:29 <TrueBrain> Celestar: http://www.openttd.org/download-cargodest <- there! (finally I can give you THAT url :)) 12:04:38 <dih> welshdragon: i did clearly say earlier, that i was not after adding console commands 12:04:45 <dih> that will not happen anyway afaik 12:04:54 <Forked> nice 12:05:05 <TrueBrain> if not it seems to display the old data ... 12:05:11 <TrueBrain> takes 5 minutes for him to reload the cache entries :p 12:07:07 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@85.27.135.237] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:07:24 <Eddi|zuHause> Unhandled Exception 12:07:25 <Eddi|zuHause> An unhandled exception was thrown by the application. 12:07:27 <dih> so, would it be such a bad idea to add more debug output? 12:07:45 <Eddi|zuHause> @TrueBrain (clicking on the link above) 12:08:02 <Ammler> worked here... 12:08:17 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: works here 12:08:30 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has quit [Quit: ecke] 12:08:33 <Ammler> I had that error yesterday for the server page (or was it on sunday) 12:08:55 <Eddi|zuHause> redirects me to http://www.openttd.org/de/download-cargodest first, maybe that has something to do with it? 12:09:12 <TrueBrain> Ammler: yup, fixed that 12:09:20 <dih> hehe - TrueBrain: browser detection? :-P 12:09:25 <dih> language detection rather 12:09:25 <Eddi|zuHause> or maybe because i use konqueror? 12:09:31 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: no, that should happen 12:09:49 <SmatZ> indeed, with Konqueror, it fails 12:09:50 <Eddi|zuHause> TrueBrain: yes, it should happen, but maybe it doesn't work correctly? 12:10:03 <SmatZ> but it seems to be Konqueror error 12:10:07 <SmatZ> konquerror :) 12:10:17 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80805.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:10:37 <planetmaker> lol @ SmatZ :) 12:10:44 <TrueBrain> what the ... 12:10:57 <TrueBrain> one browser who can trigger the error ... how is that possible :p 12:11:04 <Ammler> you might need to define another Browser as *default" browser for KDE :-) 12:11:06 <ccfreak2k> SmatZ, how long were you waiting to use THAT gem? 12:11:25 <SmatZ> stupid, I know :) 12:11:45 <Eddi|zuHause> it IS kind of funny ;) 12:12:05 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80593.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 12:12:08 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 12:12:29 <TrueBrain> do you have any idea how hard it is nowedays to copy/paste a 'tab' from somewhere? 12:12:40 <TrueBrain> I hope to open kwrite for it :s 12:12:41 <SmatZ> no 12:12:46 *** mortal`` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 12:12:54 <Eddi|zuHause> it happens with the other download pages, too 12:13:58 <Ammler> seriously, I need help :-) 12:14:13 <Ammler> how do I download the whole directory at once? 12:14:19 <Ammler> (http://binaries.openttd.org/temp/forAmmler/) 12:14:28 <TrueBrain> Ammler: I suggest visiting your doctor 12:14:37 <Celestar> Ammler: wget -r --no-parent I thin 12:14:38 <Celestar> k 12:15:27 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 12:15:45 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: any only the download page .. weird ;) 12:16:14 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, the other pages seem fine 12:16:32 * Rubidium wonders whether his konqueror is broken; it doesn't show unhandled exceptions 12:16:39 <Eddi|zuHause> main page, screenshots, servers, development 12:17:37 <SmatZ> I have Konqueror 3.5.10 12:17:41 <Celestar> Rubidium: > grep ^XXX review.diff | wc -l 12:17:41 <Celestar> 78 12:17:42 <Eddi|zuHause> happens also in konqueror/kde4 12:17:48 <Celestar> only 78 comments :D 12:17:56 <Eddi|zuHause> haha :p 12:18:11 <Ammler> Celestar: -r is included in -m but I tried it too and failed... 12:18:24 <Rubidium> Celestar: yeah, like: check the whole diff for xyz because it happens too often to annotate all 12:18:41 <TrueBrain> local variable 'architecture' referenced before assignment 12:18:43 <TrueBrain> what?! 12:18:52 <Celestar> Rubidium: uh? 12:19:04 * TrueBrain hits Rubidium 12:20:12 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:20:16 <Rubidium> but.. but... it worked in php! 12:21:08 <hylje> scope is a scary thing 12:21:17 <TrueBrain> archictecture = "*" 12:21:20 <TrueBrain> architecture.replace("i386", "i686") 12:21:22 <TrueBrain> find the mistake 12:21:26 <hylje> hahaha 12:21:28 <TrueBrain> (well, with this copy/paste it is darn easy .. 12:21:37 *** mortal`` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:21:53 <TrueBrain> but I did had to look 20 times :p 12:22:10 * hylje doesn't typo names like, ever 12:22:44 <Eddi|zuHause> another note: the top of the page used to have two dozen language flags. they are somehow gone now 12:23:16 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: yeah, because many of your fellow country people started to complain that the german translation was broken 12:23:17 <TrueBrain> there Eddi|zuHause 12:23:19 <TrueBrain> and tnx ;) 12:23:26 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: because people are idiots 12:23:32 <TrueBrain> and don't understand: no languages are translated yet 12:23:39 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, page works now ;) 12:23:49 <TrueBrain> "Why does the website show up in english!?! I pressed the German flag!" 12:23:56 <TrueBrain> dipwits 12:24:09 <Eddi|zuHause> TrueBrain: add a warning "this page is not translated yet"? 12:24:23 <TrueBrain> removing the flags is more efficient 12:24:27 <Eddi|zuHause> especially since not all pages will get translated at once 12:24:40 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: they will still miss that warning 12:24:42 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, but not future-proof ;) 12:24:54 <Rubidium> as people can't find the downloads either 12:25:04 <TrueBrain> I mean, how can you not find the downloads?! 12:25:44 <Eddi|zuHause> there's no general "Download" item in the "Frontpage"/"About"/... bar 12:26:00 <TrueBrain> no, ther eis a very big DOWNLOAD bar just on top of it .. 12:26:11 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, but it is not in the bar below ;) 12:26:23 <Ammler> is it possible that lighttdp not compatible for wget? 12:27:30 <TrueBrain> Ammler: your 20 minutes are up :p 12:28:01 <TrueBrain> Ammler: possible the index pages are too htmlized for wget to understand, yes 12:29:26 <TrueBrain> but most of all, the problem is because wget tries to download 'index.html' 12:29:50 *** mode/#openttd [+v peter1138] by ChanServ 12:30:29 *** sulai [~Miranda@p5B2B5F68.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:31:13 <TrueBrain> fixing that, Ammler, it still doesn't work, so give up 12:31:30 <Eddi|zuHause> it downloads index..html and robots.txt here 12:31:30 <Eddi|zuHause> then stops 12:31:55 <Ammler> is there no option for wget to work around that? 12:32:36 <TrueBrain> www.google.com 12:33:01 <Ammler> :-P 12:33:38 <Eddi|zuHause> anyway, i have drag-and-dropped these links to a directory faster than configured wget to get them :p 12:38:09 <Eddi|zuHause> echo '<copy-paste-table here>' | awk '{ system("wget " ) }' <- how about that? 12:38:13 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad456bb.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:38:52 <Eddi|zuHause> need to put the prefix somewhere 12:41:21 *** Gekz_ is now known as Gekz 12:43:10 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-3-70-101.manc.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 12:43:32 *** CommanderZ [~matej@r9fi34.net.upc.cz] has left #openttd [] 12:49:12 *** penfold [~p@cpc1-hem18-0-0-cust608.lutn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 12:51:32 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5ad46219.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:52:58 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@bib-theater33.hku.nl] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 12:54:46 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5ad915a0.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 13:01:08 <TrueBrain> Ammler: do you already have the files? 13:03:12 <Sacro> please e-mail me the files 13:03:42 <TrueBrain> Ammler: About-page updated, tnx for the feedback :) 13:08:26 <Eddi|zuHause> 26 minutes to Weeds... 13:08:46 * TrueBrain removes the last CNAME from the OpenTTD DNS record .. good bye old friend, you always served us well .. (Refering to a specific piece of hardware in this world) 13:08:56 <Gekz> LoL 13:09:09 <Gekz> what's the difference between a CNAME and an A record? 13:09:28 <TrueBrain> CNAME redirects 13:09:32 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 13:09:41 <Gekz> and A masks? 13:09:41 <Eddi|zuHause> i assume that is some kind of milestone ;) 13:09:49 <TrueBrain> no, gives IP 13:09:56 <Gekz> I see. 13:10:34 <TrueBrain> 'milestone' is a big word .. 13:11:05 <TrueBrain> it does mean that all openttd.org related subdomains point to one server now 13:11:16 <Eddi|zuHause> well, there are also halfmile stones and quartermile stones ;) 13:11:17 <TrueBrain> ttdpatch.net not yet, btw 13:12:26 <Gekz> lol. 13:12:26 <TrueBrain> ttdp nightlies need some serious work to be integrated ... will be nasty, sort of :) 13:12:38 <Gekz> TrueBrain: chroot? 13:12:48 <Gekz> chroot jails ftw 13:12:52 <TrueBrain> how would that help in this world .. 13:13:49 *** reldred [aegir@creep.bur.st] has joined #openttd 13:14:07 <peter1138> So, server backups... 13:14:25 <TrueBrain> you have one peter1138? :) 13:14:29 <peter1138> I do? 13:14:37 <TrueBrain> I dunno, you start to talk about it :p 13:14:39 <peter1138> I might be able to provide one. 13:15:04 <TrueBrain> we have a .cz one, a .de one .. looking for me :p /me hungry :) 13:15:10 <TrueBrain> well, one might wonder how much OpenTTD need .. 13:15:13 <peter1138> .uk one? 13:15:21 <peter1138> How much space is required? 13:15:36 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 13:15:37 <TrueBrain> 100 GiB diskspace, 200 GiB bandwidth a month, at least 13:15:45 <TrueBrain> (first is overkill, latter might be on the low side) 13:15:58 <TrueBrain> ssh (private/public key) + rsync a must 13:16:06 <peter1138> Obvious :) 13:16:07 <TrueBrain> private and public dir, if possible 13:16:13 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:16:13 <peter1138> You wouldn't want to do full backups of that :) 13:16:26 <TrueBrain> (private for SSH backup, public for binary mirror) 13:16:31 <TrueBrain> SSH = SVN 13:16:43 <TrueBrain> I should add 'git' and 'hg' to the backups too I guess 13:18:05 <TrueBrain> btw, everything is backuped/mirrored, except the compile-farm itself (the images are, the code is, but the process itself is not), and developers-mail 13:18:48 <TrueBrain> binaries are mirrored, the rest is either in SVN, hg, or otherwise stored on safe places 13:18:52 <peter1138> Just trying to find a cheap server with enough space ;) 13:19:13 <peter1138> HP DL360s are my current favouriate for second hand stuff, but they tend to stop at 72GB space. 13:19:15 <TrueBrain> don't buy anything, enough people (as in: hosting companies) want to donate for free 13:19:31 <TrueBrain> SCSI :s 13:19:35 <TrueBrain> (or SAN) 13:19:38 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 13:19:40 <TrueBrain> either way, sucks :p 13:20:01 <TrueBrain> I sold my last rackserver a few weeks back :p 13:20:05 <TrueBrain> else I could have shipped it to you :) 13:20:09 <Ammler> [15:19] <TrueBrain> [14:59:46] Ammler: do you already have the files? <-- had accidentially to move, will download them now manually... 13:20:26 <peter1138> Bah :o 13:20:42 <peter1138> Well I have old 4U shitters, but... urgh... 13:25:34 <TrueBrain> I should make a page with mirror requirements ... that sounds like an idea ;) 13:26:20 *** reldred is now known as reldred|gone 13:31:06 <peter1138> lol cobalt raq :p 13:31:33 *** sulai [~Miranda@p5B2B5F68.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:31:39 * Brianetta owns an ageing 1U 13:31:47 <peter1138> Hmm, DL320 13:31:56 <Brianetta> My OpenTTD server runs on it, as well as Tyneside LUG's stuff 13:32:55 <TrueBrain> I no longer own a single U .. I used to own lots of Us :p 13:33:00 <TrueBrain> (sold tha tpart of my company ;)) 13:33:16 <dih> what do you mean with _that_ part? 13:33:20 <peter1138> hmm, 1U dual athlon 2800+MP 13:33:25 <dih> i thought you sold the company.... 13:33:27 <Brianetta> I get half an amp and 2000GB a month 13:33:28 <TrueBrain> dih: I didn't sold my company completely 13:33:33 <dih> ah - :-) 13:33:39 <TrueBrain> just the part dealing with colocation and webhosting :) 13:33:41 <dih> what part you keep - services? 13:33:47 <Brianetta> upgradeable to 3000GB at no charge, if I want it 13:34:05 <TrueBrain> dih: service, webdesign, network-support, mail-filter, ... 13:34:12 <dih> nice :-) 13:34:17 <TrueBrain> 0.5A .. 13:34:26 <TrueBrain> most of the servers I owned, always used 0.6 at least :p 13:34:29 <TrueBrain> (150W) 13:34:50 <peter1138> Hmm, 1U, 3* IDE drive bays, dual gigabit... 13:34:52 <Brianetta> I'm under the current level I pay for. 13:35:00 <Brianetta> There's only one hard disk. 13:35:05 <peter1138> 4GB ram, heh 13:35:12 <Brianetta> Half a giggle of RAM 13:35:15 <peter1138> Ah, it's a va-technologies one 13:35:31 <TrueBrain> 1 HD ... 13:35:34 <TrueBrain> that people seriously use that :p 13:35:42 <TrueBrain> I hope you don't have any criticial info on it :) 13:36:25 <Sacro> my ssh public key D: 13:36:41 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host86-153-45-29.range86-153.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 13:37:09 <Brianetta> TrueBrain: It's all backed up, and if the hard drive fails I'll have to rent a replacement anyway 13:37:13 <TrueBrain> they indeed removed 'ssh-keygen -t dsa' nowedays from every system in the world 13:37:17 <Celestar> Rubidium: about those modifications of the saveload revisions in the diff.... 13:37:37 <peter1138> I already had a patch for them. 13:37:51 <Celestar> Rubidium: they're in place so that loading older cargodest games is possible during the devving of cargodest. Once we're prior to a merge, this will be reverted of course. 13:38:04 <TrueBrain> Brianetta: I hope for you it is all safe :) Last month I walked into a big company, with N storage ... all non-RAID ... and their complain? A disk crashed, and they lost data ... really? NO SHIT? 13:38:14 <Celestar> Rubidium: you really don't like "xor_mask", do you ?:P 13:38:26 <Brianetta> TrueBrain: If it's lost, it's lost. Nobody will lose their livelihood. 13:38:36 *** Pikkaa [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has joined #openttd 13:38:42 <Brianetta> Pikka.. a (: 13:38:44 <TrueBrain> Brianetta: ;) 13:38:51 <Pikkaa> D: 13:39:53 <Celestar> Rubidium: about the vehicle_gui.cpp stuff. These changes are mainly to adapt the non-train view windows. They didn't have scrollbars before, now they do. I've another diff that further cleans up the Vehicle Detail Window. 13:40:49 <Rubidium> Celestar: what's more clear: new_mask & changed_mask or new_mask & xor_mask? 13:41:11 *** Pikka [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:42:01 <Rubidium> I'd immediately ask myself what the xor_mask contains, whereas in the former example I'd quite easily deduce that it only passes the newly added bits 13:45:21 <Celestar> Rubidium: yeah, I know (= 13:47:43 <Rubidium> Celestar: what I meant to say with vehicle_gui was to commit the non-cargodest part first 13:47:53 <Rubidium> same with some of the order changes 13:48:05 <Celestar> Rubidium: like the ->first member? 13:51:45 <Celestar> Rubidium: why typedeffing EVERY std::something ? I mean for the stuff that is reused ... ok, but every? 13:51:58 *** welshdragon is now known as welshdra-gone 13:52:02 *** welshdra-gone is now known as welshdragon 13:52:33 <SmatZ> Celestar: why not? 13:52:52 <Celestar> SmatZ: what's the benefit to typedef a std::vector<bool> ? 13:52:52 <SmatZ> it is clearly much easier to understand what it does 13:53:01 <SmatZ> and much simpler to change it sometimes in the future 13:53:35 <SmatZ> Celestar: once it can be StationBitfield, once CargoBitfield... 13:53:43 <SmatZ> and so :) 13:55:26 <Rubidium> Celestar: it's almost everywhere reused 13:55:38 <Rubidium> std::map<bla, bla> something 13:55:48 <Rubidium> std::map<bla, bla>::iterator it 13:56:02 <Rubidium> that is something I saw happening *very* often in the diff 13:56:25 <SmatZ> std::map<bla, bla>::iterator won't compile on gcc2 13:56:31 <SmatZ> another reason for typedef :) 13:56:42 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-229-188.prem.tmns.net.au] has quit [] 13:57:19 <SmatZ> typedef std::map<bla, bla> Something; 13:57:31 <SmatZ> then you can use Something::iterator 13:57:53 <SmatZ> gcc2 doesn't like multiple :: in a type (I know gcc2 support is a very weak argument...) 13:58:05 <Gekz> gcc2 is ancient 13:58:17 <Gekz> no-one uses it any more 13:58:19 <Gekz> and for good reason. 13:58:19 <TrueBrain> we do 13:58:22 <SmatZ> Gekz: wrong 13:58:29 <Gekz> you people are no-ones now 13:58:30 <Gekz> ! 13:58:36 <TrueBrain> so why are you here? 13:58:45 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@user-54470bf2.wfd82a.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 13:58:45 <Gekz> I like talking to no-one. 13:59:23 <TrueBrain> ah :) 13:59:25 <TrueBrain> well, welcome! 13:59:39 *** mode/#openttd [+qz #openttd!*@*] by Rubidium 13:59:46 *** mode/#openttd [-qz #openttd!*@*] by Rubidium 13:59:54 <Rubidium> something went wrong with that command I reckon 13:59:58 <SmatZ> :-P 14:00:41 * Forked hides 14:00:55 <Celestar> SmatZ: it does work on 2.95.3 according to TrueBrain 14:01:20 <Gekz> why are you using gcc 2? 14:01:28 <Gekz> honestly, I know of no-one else who uses it 14:01:36 <Celestar> Gekz: Morphos 14:01:58 <TrueBrain> Celestar: the last time I tried cargodest, it did compile, yes 14:02:15 <SmatZ> @openttd commit 13985 14:02:16 <DorpsGek> SmatZ: Commit by smatz :: r13985 trunk/src/yapf/yapf_destrail.hpp (2008-08-03 20:50:12 UTC) 14:02:17 <DorpsGek> SmatZ: -Fix (r13944): gcc 2.95 compilation 14:02:24 <SmatZ> maybe it was caused by other things then 14:02:44 <Gekz> Celestar: and gcc3 isnt on MorphOS? 14:03:18 <SmatZ> Gekz: if it was that easy, we would have dropped gcc2 support years ago 14:03:23 <TrueBrain> SmatZ: GCC2.95 tends to be limited ;) 14:03:28 <SmatZ> :-) 14:04:09 <Gekz> SmatZ: ease != worth of doing 14:04:09 <Gekz> lol 14:04:10 <TrueBrain> SmatZ: as in: sometimes it does one thing here, but not there, depending on surroundings ;) 14:04:29 <TrueBrain> Gekz: and we even have a big hack to make gcc 2.95 still work with our C++ code :) 14:04:43 <Gekz> crazy 14:04:54 *** Fuco [dota.keys@wireless-98.fi.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 14:04:55 <Gekz> I mean, literally unsustainably crazy 14:04:56 <Gekz> haha 14:05:21 <TrueBrain> if we would give when ever it gets rough 14:05:26 <TrueBrain> we wouldn't have had Windows support 14:05:27 <TrueBrain> OSX support 14:05:29 <TrueBrain> MorphOS support 14:05:38 <TrueBrain> well .. not even 64bit linux support I guess 14:05:42 <TrueBrain> leaving only 32bit linux .. 14:05:49 <TrueBrain> maybe crazy in your eyes, required in ours :) 14:06:09 <Gekz> why isnt Gcc3 14:06:11 <Gekz> WHY 14:06:31 <Sacro> why 3? 14:06:33 <Sacro> 4 is latest 14:06:41 * Sacro has 4.3.2 14:06:59 <Sacro> wtf is trrlang 14:07:16 <Brianetta> Why is anything but Linux required? (: 14:07:21 <Brianetta> Windows users have Patch 14:07:39 <welshdragon> Brianetta, but we still use openttd 14:07:48 <Sacro> but linux is free 14:07:53 <Sacro> so get it and install it 14:07:59 * Brianetta can't think of a reason to use Windows 14:08:08 <Sacro> Brianetta: solitarie! 14:08:08 <welshdragon> i have ubuntu, but no wireless 14:08:08 <peter1138> SmatZ, oh, is std::vector<bool> optimised to a bitfield? 14:08:09 <tegil> shiny! 14:08:14 <Spoons> Sacro: I did, but it cost me so much time I decided Windows was cheaper. 14:08:15 * Brianetta still can't think of a reason to use Windows 14:08:20 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.226] has quit [Quit: On snow, everyone can follow your traces] 14:08:21 * Sacro has ubuntu 14:08:26 <Sacro> err 14:08:26 <Sacro> no 14:08:29 * Sacro has Arch 14:08:33 <Brianetta> I have Ubuntu at the moment 14:08:48 <Sacro> i have to fiddle with Ubuntu too much I reckon 14:08:52 <Sacro> what with needing OSS 14:08:56 <Brianetta> I've had Fedora, Trustix, Suse, Redhat and Slackware over the years 14:08:57 <SmatZ> peter1138: memory optimised :) hard to say something about performance... I have never looked at the generated code 14:09:03 <Brianetta> oh, and Gentoo 14:09:06 <peter1138> Hmm 14:09:09 <Brianetta> nearly forgot Gentoo 14:09:13 * welshdragon wants to play with hiscompany 14:09:22 <Celestar> peter1138: yes it is 14:09:26 <peter1138> I tried writing a variable length BitField type, but got stuck at saveload... 14:09:32 <welshdragon> but a reset is not allowed :( 14:09:34 * Sacro installs FreeDOS 14:09:43 <Brianetta> Sacro: What say you we knock this game on the head at 2030? 14:10:00 <welshdragon> to stop my moaning? 14:10:01 <Celestar> peter1138: at least my implementation of std::vector<bool> uses a bit per entry, and so should most other implementations 14:10:07 <Brianetta> yes, to stop your moaning 14:10:20 <Brianetta> You can always taka a saved game 14:10:26 <welshdragon> it's not my bloody fault 14:10:32 <Brianetta> I think it might be 14:10:51 <Brianetta> You passworded it, and didn't either remember it or make a permanent note of it. 14:10:55 <welshdragon> i gave Eoin the password, and h forgot it 14:11:06 <Brianetta> By an in-game PM 14:11:11 <welshdragon> yes 14:11:13 <Brianetta> You know they don't even stay on screen? 14:11:18 <welshdragon> ah 14:11:19 <Brianetta> They're not logged 14:11:24 <peter1138> 15:10 welshdragon> i gave Eoin the password, and h forgot it 14:11:29 <peter1138> And... so did you ;) 14:11:39 <welshdragon> true 14:12:03 <Gekz> I find the MacOS X the least fiddly of all OSes 14:12:07 <Gekz> I still hate it. 14:12:39 <welshdragon> Brianetta, start a new game then 14:12:56 * welshdragon will have to create another awesome junction 14:12:56 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.226] has joined #openttd 14:12:57 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 14:12:58 <dih> Gekz: you are just not used to it 14:13:01 <dih> hello Belugas 14:13:02 <Sacro> Brianetta: fine with me, I'm still unsure how to start a new game too 14:13:10 <dih> welshdragon: suffer in silence 14:13:15 <Belugas> hello dih 14:13:15 <Sacro> i have little to no admin knowledge D: 14:13:23 <Gekz> dih: I use it all the time 14:13:28 <Gekz> I'm well and truly used to it 14:13:29 <Gekz> and I hate it. 14:13:42 <Brianetta> Sacro: Log in I'll show you 14:13:49 <Brianetta> phone call 14:13:59 <Sacro> Brianetta: in a bit, have to go to work 14:14:13 *** thingwath [~thingwath@wireless-160.fi.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 14:14:13 <welshdragon> Gekz, the fact that OSX failed in my school means i now hate it 14:14:18 *** thingwath [~thingwath@wireless-160.fi.muni.cz] has left #openttd [] 14:14:29 <welshdragon> and hate apple stuff in general 14:14:31 <Gekz> welshdragon: your reason makes no sense to me. 14:14:39 * Sacro never used OSX at school 14:14:47 <Sacro> System 7 though... 14:14:50 <Sacro> and BBC Micros 14:14:57 <welshdragon> Gekz, it was used by over 300 imacs 14:15:04 <welshdragon> it sucked 14:15:16 <Gekz> it's still better than Windows. 14:15:26 <welshdragon> Gekz, nothing can beat windows 14:15:28 <Gekz> Sacro: haha Acorn 14:15:34 <Gekz> welshdragon: everything beats Windows. 14:15:39 <Eddi|zuHause> we had win 95 in school... 14:15:47 <Gekz> our ATMs run on Windows 95 14:15:52 <Gekz> and they're connected to the internet 14:15:53 <dih> welshdragon: you like blabbeling a bunch of nonsense when the day is long, eh? 14:15:55 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause: we got win95 when i was in year 8 14:15:57 <Gekz> they're meant to be fucking secure 14:16:08 <Sacro> god, when i started secondary they had 486s with DOS and Win3.11 14:16:17 <Gekz> haha 14:16:19 <welshdragon> dih, i'm still pissed about last night 14:16:21 <Sacro> i'd come from Amigas and Macs and thought "Whoah, what an old system this must be" 14:16:22 <tegil> a while ago eh 14:16:32 <Gekz> Amigas ftw 14:16:33 <dih> welshdragon: i dont even want to know 14:16:36 <dih> :-P 14:16:38 <Gekz> I still have my Amiga 500 14:16:41 <Sacro> only realised last year that it was fairly modern and windows was years behind Workbench and Apple OS 14:16:46 <Gekz> reckon you can get OpenTTD to run on AmigaOS? 14:16:48 <Sacro> Gekz: yeah, me too 14:16:50 <Sacro> Gekz: MorphOS 14:16:53 <Gekz> no. 14:16:57 <Gekz> I dont have a PPC 14:17:02 <dih> ha! 14:17:05 <Gekz> MorphOS is PPC only. 14:17:05 <Sacro> Morphos is next gen WorkBench 14:17:16 <Sacro> or you mean on a 7.21Mhz 60200 14:17:17 <dih> morphos gcc sucks 14:17:21 <Sacro> err 14:17:22 <Eddi|zuHause> Gekz: ure it's "the internet" and not "a ppp connection to an isolated network"? 14:17:22 <Sacro> 68000 14:17:35 <Gekz> Eddi|zuHause: it's Australia. i'm pretty sure it's internet. 14:17:40 <Sacro> to work! 14:17:42 <Gekz> nothing is done right here >_> 14:17:48 <welshdragon> bye Sacro 14:18:00 <dih> Gekz: i would be pretty sure it's not the internet 14:18:02 <welshdragon> enjoy playing with your routers 14:18:16 <Celestar> O_o 14:18:16 <Eddi|zuHause> and win95 has by far less security holes than win2k+ 14:18:29 * Celestar just reads the discussion about the OpenGFX license. 14:18:31 <dih> by far less != none! 14:18:38 <dih> Celestar: hehe 14:18:51 <[com]buster> win95 has one security hole 14:18:51 * welshdragon can't wait for OpenGFX 14:18:54 *** Pikkaa [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has quit [] 14:18:59 <[com]buster> it has *no security* 14:19:08 <[com]buster> :) 14:19:12 <Celestar> Just to make my point clear: Any license which will disallow including OpenGFX with linux distributions is completely pointless. 14:19:19 <dih> win95 _IS_ the security issue, anything prefixed with win is :-P 14:19:48 <Eddi|zuHause> it should be either GPL or cc-by(-sa), nothing else should be even remotely up to debate 14:20:40 <Eddi|zuHause> especially not -nc 14:20:55 <Brianetta> attributeoin share-alike is fine 14:20:57 <Celestar> so if it may not be included in a binary-only rpm/deb/whatever, what's the deal? 14:21:07 <Brianetta> what a hideous typo ): 14:21:33 <Gekz> so no-one has answered my question. 14:21:37 <Gekz> Amiga 500 + OpenTTD? 14:21:38 <Gekz> :P 14:21:48 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host86-153-45-29.range86-153.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 14:22:32 <Celestar> Brianetta: what is cc-by-nc in non-lawyer-language? 14:23:06 <Brianetta> I'm not sure what the "by" is 14:24:03 <dih> Gekz: if you want somebody to spend dedicated time with your high priority issue, please draw a number and wait until it's called up 14:24:09 <Eddi|zuHause> nc=non-commercial 14:24:14 <Gekz> dih: nevah 14:24:21 <Gekz> by = attribution 14:24:27 <Gekz> sa = share-alike 14:24:54 <Eddi|zuHause> which would exclude most major linux distributions 14:25:18 <dih> i would love to hear from the devs if they would distribute OpenGFX with OpenTTD regardles of that license they choose 14:25:46 <Brianetta> creativecommons.org has a long quiz that will generate a license for you, but doesn't appear to have the reverse (a "wtf does this string mean?" key) 14:25:54 <Gekz> what licence are they choosing? 14:26:04 <Gekz> Brianetta: i unobfuscated above 14:26:05 <dih> Gekz: read the thread 14:26:11 <Gekz> Brianetta: by = attribution 14:26:13 <Gekz> dih: links 14:26:17 <dih> SEARCH! 14:26:28 <Gekz> I'm trying to help you. 14:26:33 <Gekz> with minimal effort. 14:26:34 <dih> there are not that many OpenGFX threads in the graphics forum 14:26:41 <dih> i am not even after your help 14:27:14 <Belugas> let's call for a fund raising, in order to ask a lawyer about which distribution scheme we should use :P 14:27:28 <Celestar> \o/ 14:27:31 <Celestar> good idea Belugas 14:28:15 <Rubidium> yeah... that would mean the graphics can never be released using nc because someone already made profit of the graphics 14:28:21 <Belugas> hem... no, not really... highly sarcastic... 14:28:23 <Gekz> cc-glCreative Commons Attribution 2.0 license (a.k.a. CC-BY) 14:28:24 <Gekz> This is a non-copyleft free license that is good for art and entertainment works, and educational works. Please don't use it for software or documentation, since it is incompatible with the GNU GPL and with the GNU FDL. 14:28:34 <Celestar> ok let me put it another way: I think any license which prevents OpenGFX to be shipped in a (commercial or non-commercial) linux distro is not acceptable. 14:28:37 <Gekz> Creative Commons publishes many licenses which are very different. Therefore, to say that a work âÂÂuses a Creative Commons licenseâ is to leave the principal questions about the work's licensing unanswered. When you see such a statement in a work, please ask the author to highlight the substance of the license choices. And if someone proposes to âÂÂuse a Creative Commons licenseâ for a certain work, it is vital to ask immediately, â 14:29:05 <Belugas> VITAL 14:29:07 <Belugas> oh yeah 14:29:13 <Belugas> so true... 14:29:27 <Gekz> LOL 14:29:31 <Gekz> lol* 14:29:33 <Brianetta> Gekz: At least paste in using the UTF8 character set 14:30:20 <Gekz> I did. 14:30:28 <Brianetta> ââ¬Â 14:30:30 <Gekz> I can't use anything else. 14:30:39 <Gekz> I dont have the codepages other than utf8 14:30:47 <Gekz> the site probably crapped out at me. 14:31:12 <peter1138> May have been cropped off the end of the line. 14:31:21 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 14:31:29 <Gekz> possibly. 14:31:34 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host81-152-232-177.range81-152.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 14:31:52 <Gekz> anywho, I am going to sleep. Creative Commons is unacceptalbe. 14:31:56 <Gekz> albe ftw. 14:32:53 <peter1138> Can I re-license something that is 'public domain'? 14:34:55 <dih> with agreement of all authors / contributors ? 14:35:21 <yorick> "Dedicator recognizes that, once placed in the public domain, the Work may be freely reproduced, distributed, transmitted, used, modified, built upon, or otherwise exploited by anyone for any purpose, commercial or non-commercial, and in any way, including by methods that have not yet been invented or conceived." 14:37:15 <yorick> I think you can't relicense 14:37:24 <yorick> if it's the GPL one 14:37:42 <peter1138> Seems you can. 14:37:55 <yorick> that quote is from the creative commons page 14:38:35 <Celestar> bah 14:38:42 <peter1138> Celestar? 14:38:58 <Celestar> there are more CC license types than there are pebbles on this planet 14:39:24 <Celestar> and what the hell is dfsg?? 14:39:39 <Rubidium> debian free software guideline 14:39:41 <peter1138> Debian Free Software Guidelines 14:40:08 <peter1138> Their own take on what is or is not free... 14:40:30 <Celestar> uh huh 14:40:42 <Rubidium> like everything that forces an eula isn't free 14:40:46 *** welterde [welterde@gandalf.srv.welterde.de] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.2.6] 14:40:49 *** welterde [welterde@gandalf.srv.welterde.de] has joined #openttd 14:41:06 <Eddi|zuHause> peter1138: you can only license something that you are the owner of, and public domain does not allow that 14:41:38 <Belugas> so does it means that OpenTTD will need to get ownershp of the work? 14:43:01 <Eddi|zuHause> Belugas: not if you have a license that allows sublicensing 14:43:30 * Belugas feels sick about that licensing stuff... truely 14:44:24 <TrueBrain> I agree with Belugas 14:44:28 <penfold> Belugas: Agreed. It is a concern indeed. 14:45:04 <Belugas> i think (personally) that anything distributed by OpenTTD should be the sole property of OpenTTD, and OpenTTD will be the one granted the licensing it wants to attribute to the work 14:45:59 <Belugas> agreed, mentionning who is the artist is a good and polite thing, but let's be serious: who has a special liencing for the patch he has seen included? 14:46:05 <blathijs> Belugas: Is there such a thing as "OpenTTD" ? 14:46:15 <TrueBrain> OpenTTD Team :) 14:46:20 <blathijs> AFAIK, the OpenTTD source is also still owned by the individual contributors 14:46:49 * yorick owns OpenTTD :-p 14:46:51 <Belugas> the OpenTTD organization, if you will :) 14:47:07 <Eddi|zuHause> in germany, there are certain copyrights that you can _never_ give up 14:47:11 <Belugas> yorick, you almost owned a kick ;) 14:47:11 <TrueBrain> the website is owned by 'OpenTTD Team' 14:47:48 <TrueBrain> I said before to a few devs, there should be a document that any and all patches you contribute, are immediatly property of OpenTTD Team (who ever that might be :p) 14:48:01 <Eddi|zuHause> these must be held by the real person who created the work, they cannot be given to a legal entity (like a company, or "The OpenTTD Team") 14:48:10 <TrueBrain> and that by giving a patch, you agree that it will be GPL'd :p 14:48:11 *** Kasceh [~Kasc@cpc2-leed7-0-0-cust124.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 14:48:19 <Brianetta> Belugas: If something is distributed under the GPL, you can include it with OpenTTD in safety. In this case, it's no different to any other contribution. You (the maintaining team) don't own copyright to all contributions, but you are licensed to use and distribute them as part of the product. 14:48:20 <Kasceh> Why isn't my configure patches options saving? 14:48:41 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: no copyright or license can ever be held by a non-legal 'person' (where 'person' in fact can be an organization) 14:48:52 <Kasceh> Anyone have any idea? 14:49:04 <Brianetta> Kasceh: Are you changing it within a game? 14:49:16 <Kasceh> Yes, is that the problem? 14:49:17 <Eddi|zuHause> TrueBrain: "legal" person is a superset of "real" person (as in human) 14:49:18 <TrueBrain> Brianetta: still it is a dangerous slope, as I can request to remove my 'contributaions' ;) 14:49:21 <Brianetta> It only changes it for that game 14:49:27 <Kasceh> Ahhh, kk :) 14:49:27 <yorick> Kasceh: it will only apply to that game 14:49:32 <Kasceh> Thanks 14:49:42 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: that I said, didn't I? :) 14:50:07 <dih> Kasceh: there is a command called saveconfig ;-) 14:50:16 <Brianetta> TrueBrain: You can; depends how they're submitted. If they're submitted for inclusion, I think any court would back your assumption of GPL. If they're just on the forum as a "here's a patch that does X," you're not so safe. 14:50:20 <Eddi|zuHause> TrueBrain: in germany, copyright is always with a real person, while any other legal persons must live with a license 14:50:23 <Kasceh> Thanks Dih 14:50:27 <dih> _d_ 14:50:32 <dih> ;-) 14:50:37 <yorick> lowercase d 14:50:52 <TrueBrain> Brianetta: exactly my point ;) And making things depending on court ... well .. you can better make a document which state what is happening ;) 14:51:16 <yorick> is the new website going to be at svn? 14:51:17 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: that sucks ;) 14:51:21 * dih needs to find a new colocator (a cheap one) 14:51:29 <Brianetta> TrueBrain: Yes. Unfortunately, all copyright infringement, even though criminal, has to be tested by court. 14:51:35 <TrueBrain> but I believe something like that is true in The Netherlands too .. 14:51:37 <dih> yorick: yes, but not publicly avail for people like you :-P 14:51:39 <TrueBrain> I never understood legal shit :p 14:51:54 <TrueBrain> Brianetta: hehe, true; but that was not what I meant :) 14:52:02 <TrueBrain> then again, GPL hasn't been battle in court anyway .. 14:52:14 <Brianetta> People are scared of it. 14:52:25 <yorick> it works. 14:52:27 <Brianetta> If it's upheld as-is, ,any companies will have to change practises. 14:52:33 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 14:52:39 <Brianetta> s/,any/many/ 14:52:41 <TrueBrain> it wouldn't suprise me that you can't have GPL like licenses in,s ay, 10 years 14:53:01 <Eddi|zuHause> there are certain special cases, where copyright does not hold, like "insignificant" parts. 14:53:02 <TrueBrain> that Open Source dies because of court-rules :p 14:53:03 <Brianetta> I'd like to see which countries legislate for that, and how 14:53:07 <dih> never been tried, it's a very beautiful part of GPL 14:53:37 <Celestar> Creative Commons Attribution-Sharealike 2.0 license (a.k.a. CC-BY-SA) 14:53:37 <Celestar> This is a copyleft free license that is good for artistic and entertainment works, and educational works. Please don't use it for software or documentation, since it is incompatible with the GNU GPL and with the GNU FDL. 14:53:48 <Celestar> very helpful :P 14:54:01 <Brianetta> GPL isn't illegal; it's just a license. You can choose to abide by the license agreement, or you can choose not to use the work. It's a simple choice. 14:54:02 <dih> heh 14:54:03 <Eddi|zuHause> like one person sued because another person copied HTML-code, but lost the case, because the original HTML-code was autogenerated, so it did not fall under copyright 14:54:05 <TrueBrain> rather: useless, Celestar ;) 14:54:25 <Brianetta> It's extremely difficult to outlaw that 14:54:37 <Brianetta> since you'd be calling into question contract law in general 14:54:37 <TrueBrain> Brianetta: I wish it was that simple ;) 14:54:42 *** Zorni is now known as Zorn 14:54:55 <Brianetta> TrueBrain: It's that simple in the USA and UK 14:55:11 <Celestar> Rubidium: peter1138: Has any of us ever expressed what kind of licensing we _expect_? 14:55:19 <Brianetta> Where it's less simple is where somebody challenges the original application of the GPL to a work 14:55:32 <Brianetta> Such as Ludde's application of the GPL to his decompilation 14:55:55 <blathijs> Brianetta: When patches are submitted, aren't they by definition GPL? If a patch is a derevitive work, then there is no other choice for the author of the patch. 14:56:03 <Brianetta> blathijs: No, they are not 14:56:07 <dih> Celestar: that is waht i am waiting for.... 14:56:11 <Brianetta> A patch is not a derivative work 14:56:20 <Brianetta> and this is how lame (the MP3 encoder) got around patents 14:56:21 <peter1138> Celestar, expect for what? 14:56:28 <blathijs> Brianetta: Hmm, I always thought they were. The resulting program is, I think? 14:56:34 <Brianetta> It was a patch to a reference implementation 14:56:41 <dih> peter1138: OpenGFX 14:56:51 <Brianetta> blathijs: The resulting program, in the case of lame, couldn't legally be distributed 14:56:58 <dih> what would you be willing to distribute with OpenTTD 14:57:09 <Brianetta> You had to get one set of source code, patch it, and not distribute the resulting object code 14:57:10 <dih> i.e. if OpenGFX was gonna go some odd cc thing 14:57:10 <Rubidium> Brianetta, I'd say: if you don't include a license in the patch, it falls under the same license as the patched stuff 14:57:31 <Brianetta> Rubidium: You might say that. The author of the patch can easily claim otherwise. 14:57:44 <Brianetta> You can try to get a court to back your assumption, but you need legal support for that. 14:57:53 <Brianetta> You might win! 14:57:58 <Belugas> ho bullock... 14:58:04 <dih> if it's a patch for a gpl project, it cannot be licensed otherwise anyway 14:58:09 * Belugas goes somewhere else more pleasant to read... 14:58:38 <Brianetta> dih: It can 14:58:54 <Rubidium> dih: not true; if you add a complete new file with all kinds of functions that can be licensed under another license 14:58:56 <TrueBrain> dih: only if your want your patch inlucded, it can't 14:59:17 <dih> Rubidium: that sounds more like a feature than a simple patch :-P 14:59:32 <Brianetta> dih: Define the difference. In court. 14:59:46 <blathijs> Perhaps we should always explicitely require patch authors to state their patches are GPL ? 14:59:51 <dih> when i get a chance to i'll do my best :-P 14:59:52 <blathijs> Include it in a FAQ somewhere 14:59:54 <Eddi|zuHause> dih: "feature" and "patch" are two entirely different things 15:00:03 <Rubidium> but IMO you should add a license to the new files, otherwise it might be caught by the license of the rest of the code 15:00:26 <TrueBrain> blathijs: as I said, I think we should make something where a patch author agrees upon before adding it in SVN :) 15:00:29 <peter1138> 95GB! 15:00:30 <Eddi|zuHause> doesn't the GPL require that the GPL text is attached to every file? 15:00:38 <yorick> it does 15:00:43 <TrueBrain> peter1138: it is going slower, not? 15:00:46 <dih> make a webpage where people can submit patches / features and they have to tick a box stating they agree with the code bing under GPL 15:00:49 <peter1138> Probably. 15:00:51 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: at least the header, yes 15:01:18 <Brianetta> dih: http://www.oslawblog.com/2005/02/way-around-gpl.html 15:01:31 <blathijs> dih: Requiring an explicity comment in Flyspray is probably better 15:01:50 <TrueBrain> either way, how ever you look at all of this: licensing sucks, and it sucks even more people abuse it .. 15:02:18 <TrueBrain> then agian .. OpenTTD 0.1 was reversed engineerd ... :p 15:02:28 <peter1138> Quite. 15:02:32 <yorick> max_age - age = time_to_live, isn't it? 15:02:41 <yorick> v->* 15:03:11 <Brianetta> The reverse engineering is the biggest legal problem OpenTTD is likely to face. 15:03:37 <dih> TrueBrain: how about some kind of gforge page for 3rd party openttd related projects? :-D 15:03:45 <TrueBrain> but first .. they need to find a legal person to blame :p 15:04:03 <dih> and require all projects to be GPL if they want to use the services 15:04:05 <dih> :-P 15:04:06 <Brianetta> This is why I've not committed any code to the project. 15:04:23 <TrueBrain> if you want to be license safe, I say: make it Public Domain ;) 15:04:24 <dih> Brianetta: ( 15:04:27 <Brianetta> If I did, I'd disclaim any interest 15:04:49 <TrueBrain> Brianetta: well, can a patch maker be held responsible for the original state of the code he is writing a patch for? 15:05:02 <TrueBrain> if the patch itself doens't contain any code which is illegal 15:05:15 <Celestar> I'm off 15:05:18 <TrueBrain> bye Celestar :) 15:05:19 <Celestar> going to Berlin tomorrow 15:05:21 <Celestar> cu Friday 15:05:22 <Brianetta> TrueBrain: I have no idea. A court would decide. 15:05:23 <Celestar> \o 15:05:29 <Brianetta> It always comes back to courts. 15:05:29 *** Celestar [~Jadzia_Da@129.187.69.65] has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:05:37 <TrueBrain> Brianetta: from what I have read so far, the patch maker can never be blamed 15:05:40 <TrueBrain> he didn't know better 15:05:45 * Brianetta shrugs 15:05:51 <TrueBrain> (unelss of course he was explicitly told so and needed to sign what ever for it :p) 15:06:05 <Brianetta> I'm not qualified to give legal advice. 15:06:23 * penfold goes to find a copyright lawyer :) 15:06:29 <TrueBrain> penfold: pleaes do :) 15:06:45 <TrueBrain> Brianetta: well, I wish there was a court over this 15:06:46 <Brianetta> This is why I keep trotting out the court line. It's where law gets clarified. 15:06:49 <TrueBrain> settles it once and for all :) 15:06:52 <Brianetta> Yes. 15:07:07 <TrueBrain> hehe, like rejecting a spam-law .. 15:07:40 <yorick> Eddi: sorting by remaining life time is possibly not so easy, as dates are int32 15:08:02 <yorick> and they can be over -age 15:08:09 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5ad915a0.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:08:09 * yorick would like uint33 15:08:23 <Brianetta> yorick: How would that matter? Negative numbers are perfectly sortable. 15:08:29 <yorick> yes 15:08:40 <TrueBrain> anyway, the only reason I am not pro-OpenGFX .. OpenTTD now stimulates the sells of TT, and so no court will judge we are withholding funds of TT :) 15:08:48 *** Dr_Jekyll [Dr_Jekyll@p57B0F598.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:08:53 <yorick> Brianetta: it's more about the "32" part 15:09:07 <yorick> return values for the sorter functions are only 8-bit 15:09:08 <Brianetta> yorick: Again: subtract one from the other, then sort. 15:09:36 <Brianetta> It's not like your vehicles will be two centuries old 15:10:05 <peter1138> Which sorter functions? 15:10:05 <yorick> they could 15:10:22 <yorick> the vehicleguilist sorter 15:10:43 <peter1138> They're ints. 15:10:45 <peter1138> So 32 bits. 15:10:46 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@user-54470bf2.wfd82a.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:10:47 <dih> penfold: i am sure marjacq would love to talk to you :-P 15:11:22 <yorick> I shall just clamp :-p 15:11:31 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-170-132.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:11:48 *** welshdragon is now known as Guest48 15:12:04 <dih> TrueBrain: that TT selling is unimportant 15:12:20 <dih> as neither Atari nor marjacq get profit from that, as it's all second hand 15:12:35 <dih> no new copies being produced 15:12:37 <TrueBrain> dih: not our problem, is it? :) 15:12:45 *** Guest48 [~vista@host86-145-214-136.range86-145.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:12:51 <dih> no - not a problem, just not a valid argument either 15:12:57 <TrueBrain> we do our best to give money to the people who it belongs to 15:13:28 <TrueBrain> dih: the point here is, in my experience people only go to court if they think they lose profit because of something 15:16:40 <TrueBrain> I think I need a new BNC ... :( 15:16:46 <TrueBrain> (no, not the network component :p) 15:16:52 <Eddi|zuHause> i might be a problem, because technically, openttd is currently generating "profit" because it forces people to buy the original game, this "profit" would be gone when a free gfx set is distributed with the game 15:16:52 <dih> TrueBrain: you dont :-P 15:16:57 <dih> just need to optimize it 15:17:10 <Eddi|zuHause> *it 15:17:41 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5adb1d8b.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 15:17:50 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@user-54470bf2.wfd82a.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 15:18:01 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: that is wha tI meant, yes :) 15:18:14 <TrueBrain> dih: ... :( 15:18:55 <Swallow> even with opengfx, sample.cat is still needed, so having a copy of TTD would still be required 15:19:00 <Belugas> Eddi|zuHause, the said profit is not in our pocket, so it's indirect profit 15:19:15 <Eddi|zuHause> not "our" profit, "their" profit 15:19:17 <TrueBrain> Swallow: and you think that is a 'real' problem, the requirement for sample.cat? 15:19:27 <TrueBrain> Belugas: he didn't mean 'our' profit ;) 15:19:33 <Eddi|zuHause> if "they" lose that profit, they might consider to start sueing 15:19:50 <TrueBrain> I have counted 3 patches in the last 4 years removing the need for 'sample.cat' 15:19:57 <dih> Swallow: touch smaple.cat <- empty file! 15:19:57 <Belugas> "they" would loose profit if sales of TTD was still happening 15:20:04 <TrueBrain> (did you know I still have NO idea what is in that file) 15:20:05 <Belugas> not the case 15:20:18 *** welshdragon2 [~vista@host86-145-214-136.range86-145.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 15:20:23 <Eddi|zuHause> TrueBrain: samples, obviously ;) 15:20:33 <peter1138> It's a catalogue of samples :D 15:20:37 *** welshdragon2 is now known as welshdragon 15:20:44 <TrueBrain> samples of WHAT? 15:20:49 <TrueBrain> species? 15:20:50 <Swallow> sound? 15:20:52 <Eddi|zuHause> the sound effects 15:21:11 <Eddi|zuHause> "*Tuuut* *Tuuut*" "*dingdingding*" 15:21:14 <peter1138> The bit that makes the annoying DING DING DING when you start it up... 15:21:14 <TrueBrain> orudge: you refered in an OpenTTD topic to a junction website which states is only for TTDPatch!!!! :p :p (sorry, had to ..) 15:21:18 <tegil> haha 15:21:29 <TrueBrain> peter1138: ah :) That is why I never 'missed' it :) 15:21:38 <peter1138> Actually it's the HONK HONK that's annoying. 15:21:49 <tegil> or the vehicles starting 15:21:50 <tegil> wruuuuum 15:22:07 <dih> where is the sound replacement project at? 15:22:09 <TrueBrain> in fact ... all the sounds ... 15:22:12 <Eddi|zuHause> i find the *dingdingding* most annoying, because it happens the most times 15:22:34 <Eddi|zuHause> dih: in a forum thread? 15:22:45 <Eddi|zuHause> *Dih 15:22:47 <Eddi|zuHause> :p 15:22:50 <Brianetta> OpenTTD. DindindingHORNKdingHORNK 15:22:57 <Brianetta> That's the main menu screen 15:23:09 <Brianetta> It's also the "you've been desynced" sound (: 15:23:13 <TrueBrain> Dih: in the freezer of orudge :) 15:23:23 <dih> _d_ 15:23:31 <peter1138> Brianetta :D 15:23:33 <TrueBrain> Brianetta: lol :) 15:23:44 <yorick> -D- 15:24:05 <planetmaker> [16:52] <TrueBrain> then again, GPL hasn't been battle in court anyway .. <-- not true 15:24:09 <dih> Brianetta: LOL 15:24:23 * Brianetta beams 15:24:26 <Brianetta> I said something lolworthy 15:24:42 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: gimme one that wasn't settled :) 15:25:02 <planetmaker> I think the one against netgear. 15:25:11 <planetmaker> But not entirely sure. 15:25:28 <TrueBrain> busybox: settled 15:26:30 <TrueBrain> oh, I just found that German court acknowledge GPL 15:26:37 <planetmaker> :) 15:26:38 <TrueBrain> (in a precedent) 15:26:47 <TrueBrain> but then again, Germans are known for weird laws 15:26:55 <planetmaker> :P 15:27:25 <planetmaker> biggest software market within the EU though :) 15:28:25 <TrueBrain> but besides the German one, I can't find any referense to one that wasn't dismissed, settled, or otherwise discontinued before the court ruled... 15:28:37 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.203] has joined #openttd 15:29:38 <planetmaker> that I don't know. 15:30:01 <TrueBrain> I would like to read more about that stuff .. but okay .. :) 15:30:01 *** Fuco [dota.keys@wireless-98.fi.muni.cz] has quit [Quit: Quit] 15:30:41 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 15:31:12 <planetmaker> http://www.heise.de/newsticker/Urteil-gegen-Skype-wegen-GPL-Verletzung--/meldung/93189 <-- but obviously you can even sue foreign companies as long as their software is used in Germany, too (link is in German) 15:31:47 <Belugas> ho... an idea... we will not use OpenGFX ! 15:31:52 <Belugas> no issues, no problems :D 15:32:02 <peter1138> Indeed. I prefer the original graphics ;) 15:32:05 <planetmaker> :D 15:32:12 <peter1138> Although my new GPL graphics set will rock. 15:32:23 *** Spoons is now known as FauxFaux 15:32:52 *** nfc [nfc@dsl-hkibrasgw2-fe20de00-185.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 15:32:52 <planetmaker> concerning OpenGFX. It would probably help a lot, if you devs say we accept licenses A, B, C. Use that or bugger off 15:33:34 <peter1138> Not really. I don't think anyone ever said that 'OpenGFX' would be distributed with OpenTTD. 15:33:57 <peter1138> Well, they might've done :D 15:34:16 <planetmaker> peter1138: but that's the intention of the whole project, isn't it? So that there can be a completely functional download w/o the need of TTDX original files...? 15:34:17 <blathijs> peter1138: Are you saying we shouldn't? 15:34:37 <dih> peter1138: Belugas: may i quote you in the OpenGFX threads? :-D 15:34:42 <peter1138> Certainly not at the moment. It's not finished. 15:35:13 *** eQualizer [~lauri@87.94.117.196] has joined #openttd 15:35:38 <planetmaker> peter1138: that may or not be so. But the motivation is from the aim. And a word from you devs what kind of licenses will make you do that once done will work wonders IMO 15:36:05 <planetmaker> At least on some. Others might then know what to work with :) 15:36:19 <dih> yes - i second that planetmaker 15:36:26 *** rortom [~rortom@p57B7C7E2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:36:30 <peter1138> I was replying to blathijs :) 15:36:53 <Belugas> dih, whaty you can do is summ up allthe different "options" and "arguments" been throwed here and there regarding which ever types of licensing been proposed. make pros and cons with keeping in mind that we're not talking ionly about germany's couert stuff... 15:36:55 <Belugas> therefor, 15:36:57 <planetmaker> I figured :) Doesn't change what I said ;) 15:37:36 <blathijs> peter1138: That makes sense. 15:37:36 <Belugas> right now, i'm pretty much pissed to see that no matter which liciensing been proposed, there is still someone objecting for this or tyhat 15:37:41 <Belugas> it goes nowhere 15:37:52 <Belugas> bike-shed-painting... 15:37:58 <blathijs> planetmaker: I agree that selecting a license is good for the long term, since relicensing afterwards will be bitchy 15:38:29 <dih> blathijs: it also would settle the entire situation a lot faster :-P 15:38:54 <yorick> there goes another small patch to flyspray, to be lost with the mass of 291 others, not to be found for another 500 revisions 15:39:19 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 15:39:19 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 15:39:20 <dih> yorick: why do you ALWAYS have to announce anything you do and or see on FS? 15:39:33 <Brianetta> He has an ego. 15:39:34 <yorick> because dorpsgek doesn't do it anymore 15:39:35 *** Fuco [dota.keys@wireless-98.fi.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 15:39:37 <dih> yorick: it's simply enough though if you say !fs 15:39:47 <dih> yorick: for reasons! 15:39:48 <Brianetta> !fs 15:39:55 <dih> damn it glx 15:39:57 <dih> :-P 15:40:19 <peter1138> planetmaker, there has been no group discussion on it, so I can't say. 15:40:25 <dih> i wait for you before tricking someone into saying a !command and you dont work! 15:40:30 <glx> dih: this never triggered a kick 15:40:46 <dih> i thought you had a type of regex :-P 15:40:50 <dih> hihi 15:40:59 <yorick> !rcon pause 15:41:03 <peter1138> blathijs, there's a post in their threads somewhere where I said they need to decide before doing anything ;) 15:41:07 <peter1138> blathijs, of course, they didn't... 15:41:15 *** mode/#openttd [+b *!*Yorick@*.adsl.wanadoo.nl] by peter1138 15:41:15 *** yorick was kicked from #openttd by peter1138 [Yes yes] 15:41:23 <glx> hehe 15:41:33 <dih> ;-) 15:41:52 <glx> I was about to use !kick 15:42:07 <dih> aint gonna work in here! 15:42:26 <glx> it does (my client transfer it to DorpsGek) 15:42:32 <dih> hehe - nice :-) 15:42:34 <glx> but only for me 15:42:39 <dih> but @kick is nicer :-P 15:43:05 *** dih was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [yes but is 'hidden'] 15:43:14 *** dih [~dih@members.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 15:43:32 <glx> stupid script, it intercepted the second !kick 15:43:47 *** ben_goodger_ [~ben@host81-152-232-177.range81-152.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 15:43:49 <peter1138> Oh, was that accidental? 15:44:07 *** mode/#openttd [-b *!*Yorick@*.adsl.wanadoo.nl] by peter1138 15:44:13 <glx> no the kick was intended, just the message failed a little 15:44:18 <peter1138> Ahh 15:44:23 <dih> ;-) 15:47:22 <planetmaker> [17:40] <peter1138> planetmaker, there has been no group discussion on it, so I can't say. <-- maybe you do that sometime :) so you can speak with one official voice on this issue :) 15:48:38 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 15:50:58 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host81-152-232-177.range81-152.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:53:46 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: like we ever did something remotely like that :) 15:54:16 *** Swallow_ [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 15:56:14 * Belugas yans 15:56:26 * TrueBrain gives Belugas a towl 15:56:48 <Belugas> another one please, all wetty :) 15:57:06 <TrueBrain> ieuw 15:57:38 <dih> Belugas: go to the toilet.... 15:57:51 <Belugas> with you sweety? 15:59:25 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-3-70-101.manc.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 16:00:25 <orudge> [16:21:15] <TrueBrain> orudge: you refered in an OpenTTD topic to a junction website which states is only for TTDPatch!!!! :p :p (sorry, had to ..) <-- OpenTTD didn't exist (as OpenTTD, at least) at the time though ;) 16:00:44 <orudge> and the sound replacement project was going reasonably well 16:00:55 <orudge> I did get it all into a bundle and wrote some code to make use of it 16:00:59 <orudge> but then I've been busy 16:01:07 <orudge> and it's sitting, as TrueBrain says, in the freezer that is my hard disk :p 16:01:24 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:01:33 <dih> thaw it orudge 16:05:00 <Rexxars> is it edible? 16:05:09 <Rexxars> cause I'm hungry 16:05:26 <orudge> WELL 16:05:28 <orudge> *well 16:05:33 <orudge> I think I posted a test binary or something in the topic 16:06:05 *** Fuco [dota.keys@wireless-98.fi.muni.cz] has quit [Quit: Quit] 16:06:29 <orudge> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=37448 16:06:31 <Belugas> anyine used a VERIFONE SC5000 PINPad before? 16:06:43 <orudge> will need a fair bit of updating though if you want to use it with the latest trunk 16:07:56 <Belugas> what saddens me, orudge, is the requirement of having new code for the replacement :( It would have been nice if no new code was required, simple old format 16:08:00 <Belugas> but that's just me 16:08:04 <orudge> Belugas: well 16:08:06 <orudge> that's possible 16:08:07 <orudge> but 16:08:17 <orudge> well 16:08:21 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a46ad5.virnxx14.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 16:08:22 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 16:08:23 <orudge> I guess for a simple sfx replacement, the current mixer can be used 16:08:29 <orudge> but it needs a littel bit of tweaking 16:08:33 <orudge> I did do this some time ago 16:08:43 <orudge> and then minor changes (which are in that patch) are needed in the .cat reading code 16:08:55 <orudge> the new mixer is mainly for the benefit of my new music patch 16:09:17 <peter1138> Hah, I just noticed that Zephyris' signature is animated :D 16:09:49 <orudge> My original new music patch used a version of the current mixer 16:09:52 * peter1138 agrees with Belugas. While the changes may've been nice, it's not simply sound replacement. 16:09:53 <orudge> but it was in some ways a hack 16:09:56 <orudge> well 16:10:01 <orudge> plain old sound replacement is easier 16:10:11 <orudge> and I could quite easily knock up a patch for that that doesn't involve a new mixer 16:10:29 <orudge> the changes required are fairly minimal 16:12:48 <orudge> I may have a fiddle after dinner 16:19:40 * yorick wonders how many times svn co svn://svn.openttd.org/branches/custombridgeheads && cd custombridgeheads && svn merge svn://svn.openttd.org/trunk will say conflict 16:20:49 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm176.epsilon121.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 16:21:01 <Eddi|zuHause> <peter1138> Hah, I just noticed that Zephyris' signature is animated :D <- the cute horsies, yes ;) 16:32:03 <peter1138> For mobile hard drives, what is more rugged, 2.5" or 3.5"? 16:32:43 * Belugas has seen more 3.5 crashes then 2.5 16:32:52 <Belugas> dunno if it's worth saying 16:33:58 <peter1138> The drive will be plugged into a machine, data backed up onto it, and then transported elsewhere. It won't be moved while in use. 16:37:22 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fe13f.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 16:37:24 <Bjarni> * Belugas has seen more 3.5 crashes then 2.5 <-- me too. However the 3.5" disks are more reliable if you look at how many % of the drives that died 16:37:48 <Bjarni> as I lost 25% of the 2.5" drives 16:38:03 <Bjarni> that's 1 out of 4 ;) 16:38:17 <Bjarni> bbl 16:40:21 <yorick> I can't reach openttd.org? 16:40:33 <Forked> but you're not sure? 16:40:36 * peter1138 ponders a RAID of backup disks :p 16:41:25 <yorick> ah, it's 150! 16:41:30 <yorick> 150 times! 16:42:26 *** Kasceh [~Kasc@cpc2-leed7-0-0-cust124.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [] 16:43:28 <Belugas> solid state disks ;) 16:47:51 *** FR^2 [fr@oscar.frquadrat.de] has joined #openttd 16:55:42 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A43482.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:57:17 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.203] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:59:31 <peter1138> Belugas, expensive :o 16:59:53 *** Zahl [~Zahl@e179059217.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 17:04:08 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@86.89.201.189] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:06:25 *** mode/#openttd [+o orudge] by ChanServ 17:06:58 *** sunkan [sunkan@sunkan.bsnet.se] has joined #openttd 17:07:12 *** FR^2 [fr@oscar.frquadrat.de] has left #openttd [Connection reset by caffein depletion...] 17:08:05 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.203] has joined #openttd 17:12:34 <Swallow_> Is there any difference between using this: "RailVehInfo(v->engine_type)->railveh_type == RAILVEH_WAGON" and this: "IsTrainWagon(v)" ? 17:15:18 <FauxFaux> Check the code..? 17:16:45 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@79.0.236.137] has joined #openttd 17:16:48 <Wolf01> hello 17:16:58 <frosch123> Swallow_: yes 17:16:59 <Bjarni> use IsTrainWagon() 17:17:10 <Wolf01> what's 'THIS'? 17:17:24 <yorick> where is 'THIS' 17:17:28 <Wolf01> topic 17:17:39 <Wolf01> I read topics :D 17:17:40 <Swallow_> Bjarni: thanks 17:17:41 <yorick> it said "THIS IS NOT A PSYCIC SUPPORT CHANNEL" 17:17:46 <Swallow_> ^^ 17:17:47 <Eddi|zuHause> the rest of the sentence has been chopped off 17:18:12 <frosch123> Swallow_: i.e. w RAILVEH_WAGON can also be a TS_FREE_WAGON 17:18:30 <Bjarni> Swallow_: IsTrainWagon() asserts if the argument isn't a rail vehicle so you should make sure of that first 17:18:42 <Eddi|zuHause> apparently, chanserv has a shorter topic storage than the network allows ;) 17:19:20 <yorick> bugsies 17:19:22 <Eddi|zuHause> and also apparently, nobody has bothered to fix it... 17:19:29 <Swallow_> frosch123: AFAIK a vehicle can have multiple types, so a TS_FREE_WAGON could also be a TS_WAGON, not sure though 17:19:40 <yorick> but has this channel been empty then? 17:20:03 <Bjarni> I don't think so 17:20:08 <Bjarni> but I can kick everybody 17:20:10 <frosch123> Swallow_: a enum is not a bitset 17:20:38 <Swallow_> return HasBit(v->subtype, TS_WAGON); 17:20:57 <Swallow_> is used in IsTrainWagon(v) 17:21:10 <peter1138> yorick, except I spelled it correctly. 17:21:39 <yorick> yes, except you spelled it correctly 17:22:39 <Bjarni> Swallow_: you shouldn't think about this. You see you should just use IsTrainWagon(). This will make it easier to change how the info is stored if needed 17:22:51 <Bjarni> you see we already changed that one time 17:23:56 <Bjarni> and if only train.h bothers with how it's stored, it's possible to change. It's no fun to alter 30 files if you could do with only changing one file 17:24:36 <Swallow_> Ok, I will use IsTrainWagon(v), thanks for help 17:26:57 <glx> @op 17:27:00 *** mode/#openttd [+o glx] by DorpsGek 17:27:16 *** glx changed the topic of #openttd to: 0.6.2 | Website: *.openttd.org (Translator: translator2, Gameservers: servers, Nightly-builds: nightly, WIKI: wiki, Dev-docs: docs, Patches & Bug-reports: bugs, Revision log: vcs, Release info: finger) | #openttd.notice for FS + SVN notices | UTF-8 please | No Unauthorised Bots | We Love YAPP | THIS IS NOT A PSYCIC SUPPORT CHANNEL 17:27:24 *** Yeggstry [~mind@cpc1-rdng14-0-0-cust946.winn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 17:27:27 <glx> @deop 17:27:28 *** mode/#openttd [-o glx] by DorpsGek 17:28:15 *** Swallow_ [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0.1/2008070208]] 17:29:11 <TrueBrain> PSYCIC? 17:29:34 * glx slaps yorick for not pasting the right thing 17:29:36 <glx> @op 17:29:40 *** mode/#openttd [+o glx] by DorpsGek 17:29:43 *** glx changed the topic of #openttd to: 0.6.2 | Website: *.openttd.org (Translator: translator2, Gameservers: servers, Nightly-builds: nightly, WIKI: wiki, Dev-docs: docs, Patches & Bug-reports: bugs, Revision log: vcs, Release info: finger) | #openttd.notice for FS + SVN notices | UTF-8 please | No Unauthorised Bots | We Love YAPP | THIS IS NOT A PSYCHIC SUPPORT CHANNEL 17:29:47 <Eddi|zuHause> <yorick> but has this channel been empty then? <- akill *@* 17:29:50 <yorick> heh 17:30:03 <TrueBrain> glx: yeah, I was wondering which one you ment :) Could also have been phsysics :) 17:30:23 <yorick> now it's more like a PSY-CHICK 17:31:39 <Belugas> lesson for life... never trust a yorick! 17:31:39 <Wolf01> PSY-KICK 17:31:45 *** Guest36 [~bergee@c-68-42-180-23.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has left #openttd [] 17:31:50 <TrueBrain> it smells like a yorick kick 17:32:04 <Wolf01> hello Belugas! 17:32:12 <Belugas> mister Wolf01! 17:32:22 *** Bergee [~bergee@c-68-42-180-23.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 17:32:37 <Eddi|zuHause> am i psychic when i predict a yorick kick? 17:33:21 <yorick> truebrain can smell those kicks from 10km away! 17:33:28 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: no, that is just a logic chain of events 17:33:53 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 17:33:57 <Eddi|zuHause> well, i could phrase it in a more nostradamus-y way :p 17:36:01 <Belugas> yorick, by the way, nice stuff for sort_by_lifetime.diff :) 17:36:17 <yorick> thanks :-) 17:36:37 <Belugas> se, i'mnot always a bad whale ;) 17:36:55 <yorick> most of the time 17:37:07 <yorick> and you are always plural :) 17:38:56 <Belugas> yeah... i know.. it was a mistake i did from my forum's inscritption 17:39:01 <Belugas> long stoty 17:41:20 *** tokar [~tokar@othala.n7mm.org] has joined #openttd 17:45:27 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-3-70-101.manc.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 17:47:51 <planetmaker> Belugas: sounds like an interesting story :) 17:52:45 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm176.epsilon121.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:53:51 *** CIA-2 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has joined #openttd 17:54:41 *** Jezral is now known as TinoDidriksen 17:54:45 *** sulai [~Miranda@p5B2B6D62.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:55:04 <sulai> hi ho =) 17:55:30 <sulai> how do you like this station window http://www.tt-forums.net/download/file.php?id=99080 17:55:54 <Forked> hum, when I press the "latest screenshot from 0.6.2" on the frong page it takes me to screenshots.. and top there is r10000 and 0.5.0. Am I blind that can't see anything newer? :) 17:56:23 <hylje> ratings could be colorcoded in each cargo description 17:56:27 <peter1138> There are none. 17:56:55 <Forked> screenshots? but the picture advertises with "Latest User Screenshot of 0.6.2" :p 17:57:55 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-3-70-101.manc.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 17:58:08 <sulai> hylje: yes, but away from that, I like the idea to have no ratings button, but have the ratings integrated in the station window. 17:58:19 <sulai> I already wrote a patch for that =) 17:58:58 <sulai> I'd like to ask for general feedback ;) 17:59:18 <sulai> and maybe a dev can have a look at the patch http://www.tt-forums.net/download/file.php?id=99078 18:00:34 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@86.89.201.189] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:03:55 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A43482.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 18:05:17 *** ben_goodger_ [~ben@host81-152-232-177.range81-152.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:06:02 <planetmaker> I like the idea of the rating shown directly, sulai :) 18:06:28 <planetmaker> I think, though, that it would make more sense to integrate the rating somehow with the waiting cargo display 18:06:55 <Belugas> why ? it's not everyone who cares for that 18:06:58 <Belugas> some do, some don't 18:07:20 <planetmaker> Belugas: true. But that's no reason to not show it. 18:09:35 <Belugas> and it's not a reason to show it either, imho 18:09:46 <planetmaker> maybe it suffices to put the percentage next to waiting cargo. Whether it's very good, good, outstanding or so is duplication of information 18:10:05 <Belugas> i nderstand the good it wants to achieve, don't misunderstand me 18:10:27 *** ben_goodger_ [~ben@host81-152-232-177.range81-152.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 18:11:05 <planetmaker> Belugas: :) Time is money. And clicks are bad ;). And if a person choses to ignore that info, it won't hurt. 18:11:54 <planetmaker> otoh, if you want it, you have to click currently... and mostly I'm only interested in the percentage, not the translation of that into text 18:12:48 *** jarski31 [~jarski31@a91-155-106-195.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 18:13:05 *** jarski31 [~jarski31@a91-155-106-195.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has left #openttd [] 18:14:29 <sulai> planetmaker: otoh, if you want it, you have to click currently... and mostly I'm only interested in the percentage <- yeah right ;) 18:14:53 <sulai> I *allways* click that "Ratings" button 18:16:02 <Belugas> ** plunk ** 18:16:13 <planetmaker> :) Well... I don't need always that info as much waiting cargo also tells something, but... 18:16:34 <planetmaker> hm... you try to tell us something Belugas ? 18:18:00 <yorick> Forked: advertising with "latest user screenshot of 0.5.0", "current version: 0.6.2" does not make much sense 18:19:10 <peter1138> 97GB! 18:19:11 <Belugas> and what if i am far more worried about my rating in regards of the town i am working on right now, shold i move the ratio in front gui too? 18:19:12 <peter1138> :o 18:19:37 *** CIA-2 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:19:48 <planetmaker> Belugas: I think I have seen such patch already... 18:20:07 <Belugas> ho... of course... it makes it now a valid one, right? 18:20:12 <Belugas> ** plunk ** 18:20:16 <planetmaker> :P 18:20:16 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A43482.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 18:20:43 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@147.251.215.232] has joined #openttd 18:20:53 <planetmaker> certainly not. But as an option (like with transparency Ctrl+X) it might be nice :) 18:20:59 <Belugas> and if i care far more about my loans, as to get them replaid, shold i add a button ton the toolbar just tfor that?? 18:21:10 <planetmaker> no :) 18:21:31 <peter1138> Belugas, I think someone already suggested that :( 18:21:34 <planetmaker> that's utter rubbish. In my very non-subjective view :P 18:22:15 <Belugas> the point is: this proposed cahnge is for someone who cares about THAT stuff. someone comes in and suggest another info that HE finds crucial 18:22:20 <Belugas> and here we go again... 18:22:25 <Belugas> christmas tree 18:22:30 <Belugas> peter1138, you are right :) 18:22:57 <peter1138> mouse wheel on the status bar or something silly, it was... 18:23:03 <planetmaker> Belugas: fair enough and surely true. 18:23:20 <peter1138> Bah, I need a better chair. 18:23:32 <SmatZ> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/2254 18:23:36 <planetmaker> The point is: what is "most wanted" :) and what destroys the look & feel. 18:23:48 <SmatZ> but buttons etc. at the toolbar have been suggested too 18:24:46 <planetmaker> Until I learnt the usage of ctrl in that window I found the buttons most annoying. 18:24:51 <planetmaker> After that I didn't care anymore. 18:24:55 <SmatZ> hehe 18:25:15 <Belugas> what is not acceptable is "I am using it, so it must be good for all" 18:25:55 <planetmaker> Belugas: that other people have a different conception of "I" - e.g. they might refer that to themselves and not me. :D 18:26:21 <Belugas> i'm not pointing at you, planetmaker 18:27:39 <planetmaker> then I save this sentence for the next time - or the last time ;) 18:28:39 <sulai> Belugas: and what if i am far more worried about my rating in regards of the town i am working on right now, shold i move the ratio in front gui too? <- yes 18:28:40 <planetmaker> But in order to get the hang of how correct a statement like "I like it - all like it" is, discussions about exactly a topic may be helpful :) 18:28:48 *** yorick is now known as Guest83 18:28:50 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 18:29:15 <yorick> topic is incorrect, openttd.notice isn't for FS notices 18:29:28 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad9f872.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 18:29:37 <Belugas> sulai this is self centered minding. not the way to go 18:29:50 <Belugas> and a change for a change is not really welcome either 18:31:27 <sulai> Belugas: sulai this is self centered minding. not the way to go <- we need feature voting.... 18:31:41 <yorick> don't we have that already? 18:31:44 *** mode/#openttd [+b *!*Yorick@*.adsl.wanadoo.nl] by peter1138 18:31:44 *** yorick was kicked from #openttd by peter1138 [Oh go away] 18:31:54 *** Guest83 was kicked from #openttd by peter1138 [Guest83] 18:32:04 <sulai> yorick: where? 18:32:10 <Belugas> sulai, i'm sorry but it's not our way to go 18:32:17 <frosch123> the "votes" on flyspray are for rejecting patches :p 18:32:28 <SmatZ> :-D @ frosch123 18:32:30 <planetmaker> :P 18:32:43 <SmatZ> that would stop people from voting for their own requests though ;) 18:33:00 <SmatZ> but they could put negative votes to all other tasks... 18:33:07 <frosch123> funnily most of the new patches have exactly one vote, you might guess from whom :) 18:33:25 <planetmaker> better: 1⬠/ vote as donation to OpenTTD :) 18:33:48 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:34:12 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 18:34:17 <planetmaker> buying votes might be anything but democratic, but that's besides the point :) 18:36:30 <sulai> I like this voting thing ;) 18:37:44 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: then make a 'bounty' page for OpenTTD :p 18:37:45 <TrueBrain> lol 18:38:12 <planetmaker> :) 18:39:09 <planetmaker> buy votes at a discount: pay 10⬠and get 11 votes :P 18:41:18 *** ben_goodger_ [~ben@host81-152-232-177.range81-152.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:41:37 <peter1138> This is not a democracy :D 18:41:45 <peter1138> I AM YOUR OVERLORD 18:41:52 *** ben_goodger_ [~ben@host81-152-232-177.range81-152.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 18:42:29 <planetmaker> there you go. :D 18:46:04 <Bjarni> democracy sucks 18:46:15 <Bjarni> we just use it due to lack of a better system 18:46:36 <Belugas> we do? 18:46:40 <Belugas> never realized that... 18:46:57 <Bjarni> Plato wrote that 18:47:21 * FauxFaux kisses peter1138's feet. 18:47:50 <TrueBrain> peter1138: somehow I get this nasty idea to type: @kick peter1138 :p 18:47:52 <TrueBrain> dunno why ... ;) 18:49:43 *** Chrill [~chrischri@c80-216-96-107.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 18:52:18 *** ben_goodger_ [~ben@host81-152-232-177.range81-152.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:52:18 <planetmaker> :P 18:52:44 <planetmaker> rise and fall of nations^Woverlords? written by Truebrain? 18:52:46 *** ben_goodger_ [~ben@host81-152-232-177.range81-152.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 18:53:01 <hylje> spawn more overlords 18:53:39 <Eddi|zuHause> and when you run out of mana/gold/whatever? 18:53:39 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a46ad5.virnxx14.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:53:53 <hylje> we require more vespene gas 18:55:33 <SmatZ> Woverlords? 18:55:44 <SmatZ> Not enough minerals. 18:56:07 <SmatZ> yay starcraft :) 18:56:53 * Belugas remembers a certain jezz who decided to do a branch/fork run by community 18:57:08 <Belugas> it never did worked even a single week 18:57:34 <planetmaker> :) Easily imaginable 19:03:45 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a46ad5.virnxx14.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 19:03:48 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 19:06:48 *** nekx [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:07:33 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:10:25 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 19:19:47 * SmatZ is on a Commit spree! 19:20:03 * Eddi|zuHause does not see any commits 19:20:11 <Belugas> ZOMG!!! a user's work been commited and no voting has been performed!!! 19:21:08 <SmatZ> indeed (!!111oneoneeleven) 19:21:10 <SmatZ> :-P 19:21:16 <peter1138> eleventyone 19:21:19 <peter1138> Get it right. 19:21:21 <SmatZ> :-) 19:21:48 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@g226153228.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 19:26:42 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.203] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:29:08 *** Zahl [~Zahl@e179059217.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:29:08 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 19:29:40 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-67-2.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:30:47 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 19:37:29 <planetmaker> you picked up the ultimate coding gun and a pack of code lines 19:37:32 <planetmaker> :P 19:37:32 *** lilman424 [~evanseeds@r59h83.res.gatech.edu] has joined #openttd 19:38:10 <SmatZ> :-D 19:38:13 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:38:32 <lilman424> How feasible would it be to make cargo selectable by station? 19:38:38 <lilman424> like, instead of having grain appear when a train with grain cars, be able to say "hey, i want grain to appear at this station now"? 19:41:29 <Belugas> yuo just have to move the farm near the other station 19:41:57 <Belugas> it is what's nearby the station that decides what should be picked up 19:42:27 <peter1138> Move the farm? :D 19:42:51 <Belugas> ;) 19:47:41 <lilman424> no, i mean.... 19:48:23 <lilman424> I build a station near a farm and there's a check list or something on the station GUI so it can start accepting grain before any vehicles arrive 19:48:59 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has joined #openttd 19:49:05 <Eddi|zuHause> you can send a grain train before you finish building the line ;) 19:49:24 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-67-2.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 19:49:43 <lilman424> that's not the point <_< 19:49:43 <Eddi|zuHause> but indeed, a checklist might be useful 19:49:46 <lilman424> :P 19:50:00 <Eddi|zuHause> especially about "i don't want to transport this cargo anymore" 19:50:02 <lilman424> yeah 19:50:57 <Eddi|zuHause> also a possibility would be "i don't want to deliver cargo here" [in case an unexpected industry appears near the station] 19:51:40 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A43482.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 19:52:13 <Belugas> there's still the option (under stations) "Deliver Cargo to a station only when there is a demand" . put it off, it might getting close to your request 19:52:16 <Belugas> otherwise... 19:52:18 <Belugas> pffff... 19:52:43 * Belugas does not want to do that, too buzy elsewhere 19:53:02 <SmatZ> there have been several tries to code that, but everything ended in the "I have an idea" stage :) 19:53:04 <Belugas> and i guess it would ruin a bit game play, would'nt it? 19:53:12 <SmatZ> last time I remember frosch123 or I wanted to code that 19:53:18 <SmatZ> it whould be fairly simple 19:53:20 <Belugas> you did? 19:53:23 <Belugas> ho boy... 19:53:51 <SmatZ> except... people could cheat by removing cargo acceptance when there is no train to increase station rating and so 19:53:58 <SmatZ> so some kind of timeout would be needed 19:54:05 <SmatZ> also that GUI part isn't fun to code 19:54:18 <SmatZ> and Belugas doesn't like Ctrl+click :) 19:55:56 <Belugas> ctrl-click needs to be tamed and kept in a normal ratio and meaning 19:56:15 <Eddi|zuHause> i'd just have suggested: ctrl+click on the cargo in the provides/accepts list ;) 19:56:29 <Belugas> it should not be a way to add a new functiaonlity without any kind ofconnect with the normal click 19:56:30 * peter1138 considers an early night. 19:56:32 <peter1138> Also... 19:56:36 <SmatZ> nn peter1138 19:56:37 <peter1138> 98GB! 19:56:42 <Belugas> :) 19:56:46 <SmatZ> peter1138: what are those numbers? 19:56:49 <Belugas> sleep nice 19:56:51 <Eddi|zuHause> what's the target anyway? 19:56:53 <peter1138> Aw crap, now the farms are closing :( 19:56:58 <Eddi|zuHause> 140GB? 19:57:00 <Belugas> move them! 19:57:02 <peter1138> SmatZ, what 1138? ;) 19:57:05 <peter1138> Haha 19:57:16 <peter1138> SmatZ, I'm copying data of a broken disk, slowly... 19:57:17 <SmatZ> hehe :) 19:57:29 <SmatZ> ahh :) very slowly I see :) 19:57:31 <peter1138> Target is 120GB, although that's drive manufacturer GBs... 19:57:49 <peter1138> Copying it byte by byte, it seems :p 19:57:51 <ln-> has peter1138 subscribed to a HD porn site, or what are those GBs? 19:57:58 <peter1138> Accessing it normally causes the drive to disappear. 19:57:58 <SmatZ> :-) 19:58:16 <SmatZ> interesting 19:58:20 <SmatZ> at least it works :) 19:59:10 <peter1138> For now... 19:59:39 <peter1138> Had to force the BIOS to ignore the drive, booted a Debian installer CD, and it managed to pick the drive up. 19:59:51 <peter1138> So it's now using dd and nc to copy it. 20:00:18 <SmatZ> hmm maybe I could try it too, I have one drive that fails a lot... 20:00:35 <Wolf01> 'night 20:00:46 <SmatZ> nn 20:00:47 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@79.0.236.137] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 20:02:24 <peter1138> This map is tricky :o 20:12:08 <Belugas> which one? the map to your bed ? 20:12:10 * Belugas hides 20:14:51 *** Sacro_ [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 20:16:42 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:16:43 <peter1138> Yeah :o 20:16:45 *** Sacro_ is now known as Sacro 20:17:49 <frosch123> http://cfopenttd.forum-actif.net/ <- someone must be colorblind o_O 20:17:54 <frosch123> at least I am now 20:18:07 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.203] has joined #openttd 20:18:33 <SmatZ> helb! 20:19:08 <SmatZ> frosch123: what's bad about it? 20:19:30 <Belugas> it's... blue with a violent aqua tone! 20:19:36 <frosch123> is the background not cyan for you 20:19:41 <frosch123> blue on cyan... 20:20:03 <SmatZ> I don't know, I am colourblind :-P 20:20:13 <SmatZ> fine for me 20:20:38 <Belugas> seriously? 20:20:42 <peter1138> It's readable, just ugly. 20:20:54 <peter1138> Also... COMIC SANS :o 20:20:59 <SmatZ> Belugas: yes, a bit... 10% of male population is :) 20:21:50 * Belugas is happy not to be on that 10% 20:22:22 <SmatZ> :) 20:22:34 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-176-181.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 20:23:01 <SmatZ> it has disadvantages, like it is almost impossible to find the iron ore in the minimap ;) 20:26:30 <peter1138> Well, that's true for everyone... 20:27:02 <SmatZ> :) 20:27:24 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5FFAE.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 20:28:12 * Belugas sends a couple of metal detectors to SmatZ and peter1138 20:28:20 <SmatZ> :-) 20:31:52 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: [FATAL] Client error: Memory leak - More RAM needed. More! More! More!] 20:41:43 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fe13f.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:49:27 *** Aylomen [~a@DSL01.83.171.174.123.ip-pool.NEFkom.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:52:58 <Eddi|zuHause> mental detectors? 20:54:06 <Belugas> no, metal. remember, we're no psychics! 20:55:25 <Eddi|zuHause> no, we're no support channel :p 21:02:31 <Eddi|zuHause> i love torrents. they say they are done in two hours, and when you look at them two hours later, they take 1h 30m to finish 21:04:15 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: try installing the august 2007 direct x sdk and you'll go crazy 21:04:21 <ln-> is it dexter already? 21:05:00 <Eddi|zuHause> ln-: no, dexter starts on the 28th 21:08:40 * Belugas goes home 21:08:44 <Belugas> night all 21:09:12 <ln-> has Belugas moved to europe lately 21:09:53 <ln-> his night is at night now. 21:12:11 <Eddi|zuHause> "i go home" usually means he's still at work 21:13:40 <ln-> many people are at work at night 21:14:45 *** grumbel [~grumbel@i577ACE63.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 21:14:59 <Eddi|zuHause> not those who work strictly from 9 to 5 21:17:52 <ln-> not as often, no 21:23:55 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-75-74-51-51.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 21:25:58 *** Yeggstry is now known as Yeggzzz 21:26:13 *** Yeggzzz [~mind@cpc1-rdng14-0-0-cust946.winn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:34:27 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: I use 'usenet', that gives me a reliable number (like, on average: 4 minutes) 21:47:45 <TrueBrain> under the category: did you know, did you know that we made the first successful OSX binary on the compile-farm with 10.3.9? And that it was said to be impossible back then? :) 21:53:17 *** nekx [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 21:56:18 *** nekx [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:56:22 *** thingwath [~thingwath@morana.sks2.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 21:59:14 <Eddi|zuHause> man and woman in the mall: 21:59:16 <Eddi|zuHause> man: darling, if you had no feet, would you then buy shoes? 21:59:17 <Eddi|zuHause> woman: of course not 21:59:19 <Eddi|zuHause> man: so, please, put that expensive bra back 21:59:37 <TrueBrain> auch 22:06:22 <welshdragon> Eddi|zuHause, that was poor 22:06:47 <Eddi|zuHause> it was on TV here about an hour ago ;) 22:10:09 *** Volley [~worf@84-119-46-6.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:16:38 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:33:43 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-3-70-101.manc.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 22:34:35 *** Phoenix_the_II [rdeboom@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:36:56 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g226153228.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: (~_~]"] 22:41:00 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 22:45:49 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:47:37 *** Phoenix_the_II [rdeboom@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 22:50:04 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-3-70-101.manc.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 22:59:37 *** sulai [~Miranda@p5B2B6D62.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 22:59:51 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 23:05:18 <ln-> any minute now... 23:11:05 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-75-74-51-51.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon] 23:13:03 <TrueBrain> any Mac OS X 10.4 Intel awake? 23:13:05 *** Indoril [~Indoril@static227-69.adsl.no] has quit [] 23:13:29 <ln-> Bjarni is one, isn't he? 23:14:04 <Bjarni> not really 23:14:12 <Bjarni> as I upgraded to 10.5 23:14:15 <ln-> except TB has me on ignore. 23:14:18 <ln-> oh 23:14:29 <TrueBrain> Bjarni: that we already knew ... 23:14:30 <TrueBrain> dah 23:14:36 <Bjarni> and my 10.4 setup didn't survive being moved to another disk for some reason 23:15:09 <TrueBrain> (I am talking to Bjarni in an other channel about OS X and testing some binaries .. and I already asked him if he had 10.4, he said no .. and still for some reason he needs to say that here again, instead of answering my other questions :p 23:15:46 <ln-> qed 23:16:54 <ln-> Bjarni: are you 10.5 times happier with it than 10.4? 23:17:12 <Bjarni> good question 23:17:48 <Bjarni> I like time machine and tabs in terminal 23:18:12 <TrueBrain> but okay, nobody to test this on then .. 23:18:34 <Eddi|zuHause> how come i get the feeling that this is an instance of http://xkcd.com/ :p 23:20:00 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:22:28 *** tokar [~tokar@othala.n7mm.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:23:47 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:28:41 *** CIA-2 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has joined #openttd 23:28:57 <ln-> @seen cia* 23:28:57 <DorpsGek> ln-: cia* could be CIA-2 (12 hours, 56 minutes, and 12 seconds ago), CIA-1 (1 day, 9 hours, 55 minutes, and 45 seconds ago), CIA-5 (2 weeks, 6 days, 1 hour, 58 minutes, and 25 seconds ago), CIA-4 (5 weeks, 3 days, 4 hours, 40 minutes, and 26 seconds ago), CIA-9 (5 weeks, 3 days, 12 hours, 23 minutes, and 57 seconds ago), CIA-3 (7 weeks, 4 days, 6 hours, 31 minutes, and 14 seconds ago), or CIA-6 (11 weeks, 5 days, 5 (1 more message) 23:29:55 <ln-> @more 23:29:56 <DorpsGek> ln-: hours, 44 minutes, and 44 seconds ago) 23:29:56 <Eddi|zuHause> @more ln- 23:29:57 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: Error: That's all, there is no more. 23:30:23 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm too slow for this world... 23:30:31 <ln-> the remaining part was even slightly longer than the string "(1 more message)" 23:30:47 * TrueBrain gives Eddi|zuHause a hug 23:31:22 <Bjarni> @less 23:31:37 <Bjarni> @sleep 23:33:02 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a46ad5.virnxx14.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:34:32 <Belugas> @less ln- 23:34:34 <Belugas> mmh... 23:34:38 <Belugas> no effect 23:34:39 <Eddi|zuHause> ln--? 23:34:40 <Belugas> booooo 23:34:50 <Belugas> @less ln-- 23:34:54 <Belugas> nope... 23:34:56 <Belugas> sadly 23:34:58 <Eddi|zuHause> :p 23:35:16 <TrueBrain> Belugas: try @kick ln- 23:35:23 <Belugas> naaaa... 23:35:36 <Belugas> cannot kick someone who is already on ignore :P 23:35:43 <Belugas> it would be pointless 23:35:55 <TrueBrain> true, as we won't see that .. 23:36:01 <Belugas> ^_^ 23:36:10 <Belugas> life is sweet, isn't it ;) 23:36:14 <TrueBrain> yeah :) 23:36:15 <Chrill> nop 23:36:29 <Belugas> ho? 23:36:31 <Belugas> no operation? 23:36:31 <TrueBrain> like managing to make OSX 10.5 Intel binaries, just to find out the stage 1 gcc contains a bug :p 23:36:46 <ln-> who says "nop", honestly 23:36:55 <Chrill> Chrill does, the faggot 23:39:54 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-111-36.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [Quit: I'm not too old for this shit, but I don't need it either] 23:39:59 <Belugas> Chrill makes little sens, unless there is a parasit in the transmission 23:40:04 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-111-36.fttx.bbned.nl] has joined #openttd 23:40:07 *** Chrill [~chrischri@c80-216-96-107.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Quit: I'm not too old for this shit, but I don't need it either] 23:41:29 <penfold> what an odd person 23:43:52 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-111-36.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [] 23:49:11 *** tokar [~tokar@othala.n7mm.org] has joined #openttd 23:51:46 <Eddi|zuHause> i wonder whether, in ten years, we will be speaking of the desaster of CERN-obyl 23:52:11 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: really, what are you getting those from? :p 23:52:23 <SmatZ> hehe 23:52:35 *** CIA-2 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has quit [] 23:54:07 <ln-> since ops have ignored me, i might as well paste a youtube link to the large hadron rap; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j50ZssEojtM