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00:03:06 <Eddi|zuHause> "background dancers: prefer anonymity" :p 00:05:39 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 00:09:01 <Eddi|zuHause> "anyone else realize that the thing is 17 miles around. And the particles will be going around 11,000 times per second. Thats 187,000 miles per second. 187 is police code for murder. We're doomed!" :p 00:09:17 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@147.251.215.232] has quit [Quit: Quit] 00:12:09 <TrueBrain> and I am compiling libstdc++ for OS X (supporting 10.5 Intel) 00:12:15 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:15:10 <TrueBrain> any OSX user here? Even Intel 10.5 is fine ... 00:17:32 <SmatZ> [02:09:05] <Eddi|zuHause> <== yeah, one can find magical numbers everywhere :) 00:21:40 *** CIA-1 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has joined #openttd 00:24:32 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F7E1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:24:47 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@user-54470bf2.wfd82a.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:32:48 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B76FC8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 00:33:10 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75E67.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:38:19 *** tegil [~asd@ti0056a340-dhcp0311.bb.online.no] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:38:56 *** nicfer [~Administr@168.226.104.225] has joined #openttd 00:39:35 <TrueBrain> Mac OS X 10.[45] Intel users requested: http://devs.openttd.org/~truebrain/OTTD-OSX-custom-r14350.zip 00:40:08 <nicfer> would be useful implementing empty slopes? 00:49:38 <Eddi|zuHause> you make no sense. 00:50:18 <penfold> erk, one of my trains made a £34 trillion loss. 00:50:24 <TrueBrain> auch 00:51:25 <penfold> Bit of corruption there I think, since my bank balance wasn't affected :P 00:51:37 <Eddi|zuHause> i remember the times when money would overflow at 2^32 ;) 00:53:52 <penfold> :O 00:54:49 <Eddi|zuHause> well, it was not such a big deal, as building a tunnel overflowed, too ;) 00:54:51 <TrueBrain> penfold: create a bug-report (with savegame) 00:56:14 <penfold> TrueBrain: Will do. 01:04:01 <TrueBrain> I wonder if anyone has a 10.5 Intel on 64bit ... (the OS itself) 01:19:07 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-176-181.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:26:23 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:58:17 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 01:58:17 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:58:19 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 02:05:09 *** CIA-1 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:07:45 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 02:08:11 <Belugas> [20:08] <Eddi|zuHause> "anyone else realize that the thing is 17 miles around. And the particles will be going around 11,000 times per second. Thats 187,000 miles per second. 187 is police code for murder. We're doomed!" :p <--- first time i see yu emotive 02:08:15 <Belugas> must be a big day! 02:09:13 <Belugas> nicfer, you have so strange ideas :) 02:09:23 <Belugas> keep on getting them out! 02:09:41 <Belugas> who knows, maybe ne day, a brilliant one might comes up ;) 02:10:00 <roboboy> fixing a problem with mibbit 02:10:01 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has left #openttd [] 02:10:01 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 02:10:05 <roboboy> fixing a problem with mibbit 02:10:06 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has left #openttd [] 02:10:06 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 02:13:11 <Belugas> repeat after me 02:13:14 <Belugas> repeat after me 02:13:22 <Belugas> repeat after me 02:13:29 <Belugas> **plunk** 02:13:34 * Belugas unstuck 02:13:49 <Belugas> gaaa!!! you contaminated me!! 02:21:55 <nicfer> a void slope would look similar to the sloping system in locomotion/RCT but primitive-ish 02:23:23 <Belugas> hooo... again... LOCOMOTION ... 02:23:29 <Belugas> boooo 02:23:34 <Belugas> prout! 02:25:31 <nicfer> well, it wouldn't be 100% identical 02:25:38 *** Zeal [~Ping@78-69-54-150-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 02:26:01 <nicfer> I said that it would kinda of remember to the locomotion system 02:27:42 <Belugas> imagine, just for sake of argument, that i have no idea whatsoever about loco system ;) 02:28:19 *** [Nemesis] [~Ping@78-69-54-150-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 02:30:08 <nicfer> it would mean that you'll be able to create a slope modification without tracks, roads, etc. 02:31:14 *** Zealotus [~Ping@78-69-54-150-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:31:25 * roboboy admits there are things nice about locomotion 02:33:00 <Belugas> agreed 02:33:09 <Belugas> so if you like them, play Locomotion 02:33:16 <Belugas> so if you like OpenTTD, play OpenTTD 02:33:37 <Belugas> so if you like SimCity, play SimCity 02:34:10 <Belugas> but why... just WHY !! should OpenTTD be a conglomerat of everything that is available outthere??? 02:34:12 *** Zeal [~Ping@78-69-54-150-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:34:17 <Belugas> just because we have the sources?? 02:34:18 *** daspork [~daspork@71-87-195-77.dhcp.kgpt.tn.charter.com] has joined #openttd 02:34:20 <Belugas> come one... 02:34:21 <nicfer> my goal was, if you build railway over a slope, it becomes a foundation (or fundation) 02:34:38 <nicfer> suppose I want only the foundation 02:36:41 <roboboy> that could then be used to create false cliffs 02:40:11 <Belugas> a hint: i'd rather see REAL cliffs (no matter how hard they are to create) then look-alike ;) 02:40:21 <Belugas> in the mean time, /me goes to sleep 02:52:07 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 02:55:31 *** nicfer [~Administr@168.226.104.225] has left #openttd [] 03:02:04 *** elmex_ [~elmex@e180067197.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 03:04:05 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 03:05:40 *** grumbel [~grumbel@i577ACE63.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Client exiting] 03:07:02 *** elmex [~elmex@e180069058.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:07:02 *** elmex_ is now known as elmex 03:47:39 *** penfold [~p@cpc1-hem18-0-0-cust608.lutn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:09:29 <Forked> Good morning 04:22:28 *** Pikka [~PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has joined #openttd 04:28:13 *** Dr_Jekyll [Dr_Jekyll@p57B0F598.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: http://www.lagerwiki.de - das Wiki rund um's Thema Lager und Logistik] 04:42:06 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 04:46:07 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 05:05:56 *** HaloMaster [~Peer@219-90-178-101.ip.adam.com.au] has joined #openttd 05:06:22 <HaloMaster> oh wow. OpenTTD got on Side A of the PCPowerPlay Mag in Aus. 05:08:39 *** Pikkaa [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has joined #openttd 05:09:33 <HaloMaster> hi PB 05:11:22 *** Pikka [~PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:13:26 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 05:14:20 <lilman424> what's the difference between tractive effort and HP? 05:14:36 <HaloMaster> not sure 05:40:40 *** CIA-2 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has joined #openttd 05:42:24 *** Zorni [zorn@e177230135.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 05:43:01 <Pikkaa> power is force * velocity... 05:44:55 <Pikkaa> so, broadly speaking, for a given amount of power you can trade off between force (TE) and velocity (speed) 05:45:31 *** Pikkaa is now known as Pikka 05:49:48 *** Zorn [zorn@e177237169.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:56:17 <lilman424> so how does it make sense that two vehicles with the same speed. 05:56:35 <lilman424> one has a higher power, but a lower TE 06:08:06 <Pikka> TE is also a function of weight 06:08:20 <Pikka> a heavier vehicle will have higher TE 06:12:47 <peter1138> 105GB! 06:13:03 <Pikka> lies 06:13:40 * Pikka tf2 06:33:31 *** Fuco [dota.keys@wireless-219.fi.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 06:33:44 *** Yeggstry [~mind@cpc1-rdng14-0-0-cust946.winn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 06:38:11 *** CIA-2 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:43:37 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 06:44:56 <roboboy> fixing a problem with mibbit 06:44:56 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has left #openttd [] 06:44:56 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 06:45:07 <roboboy> fixing a problem with mibbit 06:45:07 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has left #openttd [] 06:45:07 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 06:45:12 <roboboy> fixing a problem with mibbit 06:45:12 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has left #openttd [] 06:45:12 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 06:55:11 <planetmaker> TrueBrain: you OSX-intel binary works on OS-X 10.4 (Tiger). Great :) 06:57:52 <peter1138> It'll turn out that zlib prevented it from working all along ;) 07:02:11 <ccfreak2k> It was zlib all along! 07:02:15 <ccfreak2k> (dun dun duuuuuuuun) 07:02:30 *** CommanderZ [~matej@r9fi34.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 07:04:18 *** Yeggstry is now known as Yeggs-work 07:06:05 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5D956.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 07:12:35 *** Fuco [dota.keys@wireless-219.fi.muni.cz] has quit [Quit: Quit] 07:13:31 *** Fuco [dota.keys@wireless-219.fi.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 07:15:36 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-75-74-51-51.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 07:18:04 <planetmaker> [08:57] <peter1138> It'll turn out that zlib prevented it from working all along ;) <--- yes. But it works as much as TB announced he would like it to see working :) 07:18:40 <peter1138> THAT WAS A JOKE 07:19:00 <planetmaker> sorry, still not entirely awake :S 07:20:11 <HaloMaster> lol PM 07:20:24 <roboboy> where can I find the thread about 0.6.2 07:29:47 <Rubidium> roboboy: in the search maybe? 07:30:43 *** Pikka is now known as Pikka|afl 07:30:45 *** Pikka|afl is now known as Pikka|afk 07:30:53 <Rubidium> though searching using google with a proper search query gives you a quicker result 07:31:01 <Rubidium> s/quicker/better/ 07:31:39 *** nekx [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 07:41:18 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:42:49 *** CIA-1 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has joined #openttd 07:47:33 *** Fuco [dota.keys@wireless-219.fi.muni.cz] has quit [Quit: Quit] 07:51:17 <Ammler> good morning all 07:51:32 <Ammler> temp/forAmmler can be removed, thanks :-) 07:53:02 *** Jezral [~projectjj@85.27.135.237] has joined #openttd 07:56:24 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@62.113.133.253] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:56:36 <HaloMaster> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-Wd-Q3F8KM 07:58:38 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@85.27.135.237] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:59:24 <Eddi|zuHause> why should we click on random links from strangers? 07:59:51 <HaloMaster> it is actually funny 08:00:02 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-111-36.fttx.bbned.nl] has joined #openttd 08:01:25 <HaloMaster> http://preview.tinyurl.com/5gl7l4 08:01:37 <HaloMaster> thats a tinyurl preview of it 08:04:24 <peter1138> 107GB! 08:04:33 <HaloMaster> peter1138: of what? 08:04:35 <Rubidium> 4 GB to go! 08:04:42 <HaloMaster> ? 08:04:58 <Rubidium> HaloMaster: of individually copied bytes 08:06:32 <Ammler> I have a Mercurial confusion, how do I determine, which revision is taken for a certain custom build as i see only the first 8 chars? 08:06:36 <HaloMaster> from what? 08:06:46 <peter1138> hg tip 08:07:16 <Ammler> peter1138: from the compile farm or from the server I like to join... 08:07:23 <peter1138> Er... 08:07:54 <Ammler> do I need to "tip" all revisions, until I find the right one? 08:08:06 <peter1138> You take the revision that matches... 08:08:10 <Eddi|zuHause> hg view 08:10:55 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm6.epsilon121.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 08:11:40 <Ammler> hg view does help to browse through the mercurial commits, so I will find the matching revisioin better... 08:11:57 <Ammler> but it seems not to help for searching... 08:12:16 <peter1138> I don't really know what the *real* question is. 08:13:13 <Ammler> if I hg pull/up the cargo dest branch, I haven't the same revision as the coop test server. 08:13:49 <Ammler> the rev I see from the server is hc23c4457, how can I up to there noe? 08:13:52 <Ammler> now 08:14:03 <peter1138> ssh backup1 08:14:04 <peter1138> er 08:15:55 <Rubidium> Ammler: curl http://binaries.openttd.org/custom/cargodest/$name/changelog.txt | head -n 1 | sed s/.*// 08:16:11 <Rubidium> but that's the lame way 08:16:20 <peter1138> hg update (revision) should work. 08:17:07 *** ben_goodger__ [~ben@host81-152-232-177.range81-152.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 08:17:20 <blathijs> Ammler: The first part of a hg hash is also sufficient as a revision, you can just use it in place of a full hash 08:17:41 <blathijs> Ammler: But you should remove the first "h", since it is not part of the hash (and hg doesn't understand it) 08:18:22 <blathijs> so you can probably do "hg update c23c4457" and it should work (not sure, never used hg) 08:19:23 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 08:21:07 <Ammler> doesn't, that's why I ask. 08:21:45 <Ammler> well, I try again, maybe I did something wrong... 08:22:38 <peter1138> Clealry. 08:23:15 <Ammler> :P 08:23:20 <peter1138> $ hg update c23c4457 08:23:21 <peter1138> 99 files updated, 0 files merged, 3 files removed, 0 files unresolved 08:23:48 *** ben_goodger_ [~ben@host81-152-232-177.range81-152.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:23:49 <peter1138> $ hg tip 08:23:49 <peter1138> changeset: 19901:2d7ff353056f 08:23:52 <peter1138> hehe 08:24:25 <peter1138> There's your problem 08:24:33 <peter1138> The version detection doesn't work. 08:24:57 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@62.113.133.253] has joined #openttd 08:25:44 <Eddi|zuHause> that was reported previously, it always takes the tip, not the working copy 08:25:45 <peter1138> $ hg parents 08:25:45 <peter1138> changeset: 19837:c23c445783d6 08:26:54 <peter1138> Eddi|zuHause, I fail to see a bug report on flyspray. 08:27:12 <Eddi|zuHause> well, it was not my report... 08:28:45 <Eddi|zuHause> but i'm sure there was a lengthy discussion in here 08:29:33 <Ammler> Eddi|zuHause: from Spcomb? 08:29:54 <Eddi|zuHause> i have no idea who it was 08:30:14 <SpComb> yes 08:30:14 <Ammler> well, I know, he tried to compile the same rev as our server 08:30:26 <Ammler> now, I see his problem :-) 08:31:07 <peter1138> const char _openttd_revision[] = "hc23c4457-Mercurial Distributed SCM basic commands (use hg help for the full list or option -v for details): add add the specified files on the next commit annotate show changeset information per file line clone make a copy of an existing repository commit commit the specified files or all outstanding changes diff diff repository (or selected files) export dump the header and diffs for o 08:31:14 <peter1138> Tee hee 08:32:15 <SpComb> uuuh 08:32:38 <SpComb> I suspect find-version.sh needs a bit of work :) 08:32:41 <peter1138> My version of hg does not support hg branch... 08:33:39 <peter1138> (And Debian stable is not that uncommon) 08:34:54 <Ammler> as Workstation? 08:35:34 <SpComb> peter1138: by debian stable hg supports branch 08:35:42 *** CIA-1 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:35:50 <SpComb> it doesn't show up in `hg help`, but it's still there 08:39:50 <Eddi|zuHause> how the hell can i have conflicts in galician.txt? 08:41:52 <Eddi|zuHause> hg status does not show conflicts :( 08:44:24 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-149-139.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 08:45:12 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@147.251.215.232] has joined #openttd 08:50:04 *** Andel [~andel@owenrudge.net] has left #openttd [] 08:50:44 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 08:57:28 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 08:57:52 <peter1138> SpComb: it does not for me. 09:03:42 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-3-70-101.manc.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 09:04:21 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@147.251.215.232] has quit [Quit: Quit] 09:06:15 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5D956.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 09:18:52 *** Pikka|afk is now known as Pikka 09:20:22 *** Pikkaa [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has joined #openttd 09:26:56 *** Pikka [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:30:00 *** Pikkaa is now known as Pikka 09:30:02 *** Pikka is now known as Pikkaaaaa 09:30:04 *** Pikkaaaaa is now known as Pikka 09:33:43 *** CIA-1 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has joined #openttd 09:48:13 *** Rich [~Zephyris@user-5af25f3c.tcl121.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 09:49:12 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80593.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:49:20 <Rich> Hello all, this is my first time on IRC so apologies if I do something wrong! 09:50:25 <Rich> As Zephyris from the tt forums I am looking for someone to put together a list of advantages/disadvantages for the various OpenGFX licenses... 09:50:58 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80DAB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 09:51:01 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 09:52:03 <Brianetta> Rich: Be more specific. 09:52:19 <Brianetta> What are the (potential) OpenGFX licenses? 09:52:42 *** thingwath [~thingwath@morana.sks2.muni.cz] has quit [Quit: It's all over.] 09:52:48 <Brianetta> Also, be aware that you're asking for legal advice. 09:52:52 <Rich> So the ones being considered are GPL, CC by SA and CC NC by SA 09:52:54 <Rich> lol yeah 09:53:07 <Brianetta> Well, I can say for a start that NC is out 09:53:34 <Rich> I would be looking for info on the potential co-distribution of different licenses 09:53:34 <Brianetta> Non-commercial means you can't distribute it with GPL software, which is licensed for all purposes, including ocmmercial ones 09:53:48 <Rich> ok 09:54:09 <Brianetta> The Creative Commons site has a license chooser 09:54:19 <Rich> ah, that may be useful 09:54:26 <Brianetta> btw, your work is really good 09:54:33 <Rich> thanks :D 09:55:16 <Rich> It comes down to many of the artists are unconfortable with GPL as it is not designed as an artwork license 09:55:35 <Brianetta> No, it isn't 09:55:48 <Rich> Whilst they would be happy with it may would prefer a CC license 09:55:54 <Brianetta> although I get around this myself by making the GIMP layers for works I release available, as "source" 09:56:14 <Brianetta> but my graphics tend to be photo composites 09:56:32 <Rich> Thats true, but the sheer quantity of source files I have makes that unfesable 09:56:49 <Brianetta> You don't need to publish your source directly 09:56:57 <Rich> Just make it available? 09:57:02 <Brianetta> the GPL allows you to make an offer, in writing, to provide the source on demand 09:57:23 <Rich> ok, thats good to know 09:57:33 <Brianetta> of course, and downstream distributors would need to make your source available themselves 09:57:42 <Brianetta> They'd be obliged to obtain the source from you before they could comply 09:58:30 <Brianetta> newgrfs are a fuzzy one 09:58:37 <Brianetta> the source is indistinct 09:58:48 <Brianetta> it could be that it's its own source archive 09:59:10 <Brianetta> but some point out that any formatting and commenting in the NFO is lost after the codec encodes it 09:59:11 <Rich> The GRF source would be simple for OpenGFX - the only info in the nfo is the offsets 09:59:27 <Rich> so imo that would not be an issue 09:59:50 <Brianetta> http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/license-list.html 09:59:53 <Brianetta> That might be helpful 10:00:17 <Ammler> why don't Zephyris and Foobar not just decide that alone and continue to work on the GRF itself. 10:00:43 <Ammler> If that stupid discussion wouldn't be, the Replacment would be almost finished now. 10:00:49 <Brianetta> Ammler: Rich *is* Zephyris 10:00:56 <peter1138> Rich, why don't you /nick Zephyris :) 10:01:02 <Ammler> mÀh :-) 10:01:19 <Rich> lol, do I just type "/nick Zephyris"? 10:01:30 <Brianetta> yes 10:01:31 <Forked> yup 10:01:34 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5adb1d8b.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:01:36 *** Rich is now known as Zephyris 10:01:45 <Zephyris> That should save some confusion 10:01:52 <Eddi|zuHause> wonderful ;) 10:01:53 <Ammler> sorry :-$ 10:02:00 <Brianetta> Zephyris: That link I posted; search for "Creative C" on the page. It's near the end. 10:02:03 * TrueBrain needs a Mac OS X 10.5 Intel user .. 10:02:03 <peter1138> Zephyris, welcome :) 10:02:13 <Brianetta> It describes two CC licenses that are GPL compatible, according to GNU 10:02:22 <HaloMaster> TrueBrain: Virtual Machine 10:02:31 <Brianetta> also a bunch of other licenses, just to bewilder 10:02:36 <TrueBrain> HaloMaster: tnx for your contribution, but it is not helping a bit 10:02:36 <peter1138> HaloMaster, he'll have tried that :p 10:02:44 <HaloMaster> :( 10:02:53 <Rubidium> HaloMaster: if that would've worked we wouldn't have needed to ask for it... 10:02:58 <HaloMaster> Ahhh. 10:03:01 <HaloMaster> hmm 10:03:05 <Brianetta> The Free Art license ( http://artlibre.org/licence/lal/en/ ) is interesting 10:03:08 <HaloMaster> Mac 10.5 you say? 10:03:14 <HaloMaster> intel core? 10:03:16 <TrueBrain> like walking in a supermarket and asking where the meat is, and someone tells bij: at the Mac Donals sir 10:03:23 <TrueBrain> yes, that is what I asked ... 10:03:39 <HaloMaster> hmm. 10:03:53 * HaloMaster thumbs through his old harddrives. 10:04:12 <HaloMaster> Nuo. 10:04:25 <Rubidium> TrueBrain, more like: "I need meat" with a "use tofu" as reply 10:04:29 <TrueBrain> clearly you don't understand a big part of this Mac OS X word .. 10:04:32 <HaloMaster> i dont think i have a mac install anywhere 10:04:38 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: hehe, better yes ;) 10:05:12 * TrueBrain puts a new person on its ignore list ... 10:05:26 <HaloMaster> aww :( 10:06:19 <Zephyris> The consistent statement about Creative Commons is "Please don't use it for software or documentation, since it is incompatible with the GNU GPL and with the GNU FDL." As the GRF would just be game content does this matter? For example a GPL installer could offer you the option of using the new graphics, and download them if the used chooses yes. 10:07:04 <Brianetta> Zephyris: It matters which CC license. There isn't just one Creative Commons. 10:07:39 <Zephyris> Sorry, they say that for both CC-BY and CC-BY-SA 10:08:00 <dih> Zephyris: you plan on just making the grf's available to OpenTTD? 10:08:04 <Brianetta> Ah, I see where you mean. According to the FSF, software should be GPL, documentation should be FDL. 10:08:22 <Brianetta> Where the GPL and FDL aren't appropriate, CC might be. 10:08:24 <peter1138> It's not documentation ;) 10:08:30 <peter1138> So... 10:08:40 <Brianetta> It could be considered art 10:08:44 <peter1138> What is distributable in Debian? ;) 10:08:50 <Brianetta> The Free Art License is compatible 10:09:16 <peter1138> 108GB! 10:09:26 <peter1138> Hmm 10:09:42 <TrueBrain> peter1138: 12 more to go ;) 10:09:52 <Eddi|zuHause> Zephyris: the main trouble will be a CC-license that has "NC" in it, then a hypothetical package "openttd-gfx" could not be included in any major linux distribution 10:10:26 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5ad545cd.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 10:10:26 <Brianetta> http://people.debian.org/~bap/dfsg-faq.html 10:10:28 <Brianetta> section 9 10:10:34 <Brianetta> "How can I tell if a license is a free software license, by Debian's standards?" 10:10:48 * Forked requests a poem about peter and his gigabytes .. 10:11:35 *** Zeal [~Ping@78-69-54-150-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 10:11:42 <Ammler> if OpenTTD has only the pcx and nfo like they have for openttd?.grf, the GRFs can't really be "missused" for something else like T-Shirts or what ever... 10:12:14 <Ammler> so GPL should be ok... 10:12:23 *** Fuco [dota.keys@wireless-99.fi.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 10:12:54 <Zephyris> The problem with GPL is that whilst it works it is not directly an artistic/content license leaving a lot of ambiguities 10:12:57 <Ammler> if someone like to make something "not-grfish", he has still to ask you. 10:13:09 <Eddi|zuHause> Forked: but please make sure it's not vogonic poetry 10:13:10 <Zephyris> hmm 10:13:44 <Ammler> the source will be: http://vcs.openttd.org/svn/browser/extra/ottd_grf 10:13:44 <Zephyris> I'm afraid I have to go out now, how do I show myself as away? 10:13:49 <Brianetta> GPL isn't good for non-software. Debian's arguments to the contrary notwithstanding. 10:13:55 <dih> Zephyris: /away 10:13:59 <Brianetta> Zephyris: Just type /away reason 10:14:02 <Brianetta> where reason is a reason 10:14:09 <Eddi|zuHause> Zephyris: my favourite would be CC-BY-SA, but i don't really have a say in this matter :) 10:14:15 <Ammler> (don't reaname) :-) 10:14:26 <Zephyris> thanks, ttyl guys! 10:15:02 <Brianetta> He's not here right now (: 10:15:02 <Forked> eddi: heheh 10:15:12 *** [Nemesis] [~Ping@78-69-54-150-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:18:33 <Nite_Owl> There once was a guy named Peter / who kept an eye on his gigabyte meter. / When it was done / He thought he'd have fun / so he started his gigabyte reader. 10:19:00 <Nite_Owl> Not very good but time was short 10:20:25 *** Volley [~worf@84-119-46-6.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #openttd 10:20:39 <Ammler> they can make 2 differnet licenses, the pcx/nfo GPL and the rest what they like... 10:22:37 <peter1138> Nite_Owl, nice :) 10:23:24 *** penfold [~p@cpc1-hem18-0-0-cust608.lutn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 10:25:10 <Pikka> oh crumbs 10:25:37 <Nite_Owl> I could not let Forked's challenge just slip on by 10:29:04 *** Zephyris [~Zephyris@user-5af25f3c.tcl121.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:30:30 <penfold> Pikka: :P 10:31:12 <Brianetta> "The job of a copyright license is to grant permissions to do things that would otherwise be forbidden under copyright law." - Debian Project 10:31:15 <Brianetta> I love that. 10:31:20 <Brianetta> Succinct and clear. 10:32:44 *** Volley [~worf@84-119-46-6.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:33:08 *** Volley [~worf@84-119-46-6.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #openttd 10:50:14 *** Fuco [dota.keys@wireless-99.fi.muni.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:50:27 *** Fuco [dota.keys@wireless-99.fi.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 10:51:48 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5D956.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 10:59:00 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1E3F8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:01:07 <dih> what the fuck is dragon doing back in the forums? 11:01:33 <blathijs> You mean the 24 hours in a day post? 11:02:05 <dih> yep 11:02:10 <Nite_Owl> Limited ban ? 11:02:18 <dih> seemingly 11:02:33 <planetmaker> hey, you guys don't not humor? 11:02:36 <dih> orudge: you have a way to soft heart 11:02:38 <planetmaker> *note 11:02:50 <dih> no pm, we don't not humor 11:02:51 <dih> :-P 11:03:16 <blathijs> I actually think that was a good post 11:03:35 <dih> it's not bad if you get what he is trying to say 11:03:56 <blathijs> Compliments and thanks are means very under-used usually, and he found a cool way to word them :-) 11:03:59 <dih> but i fear he will turn back to usual very quickly 11:04:05 <Nite_Owl> I attempt humor but do not always succeed 11:04:30 <peter1138> Who is Dragon? 11:05:02 <Nite_Owl> Could have been an attempt to smooth things over which would not be terrible. 11:05:12 <blathijs> DorpsGek: logs 11:05:21 <blathijs> Didn't we have a command for that somewhere? 11:05:23 <dih> blathijs: or reading the forums :-P 11:05:25 <SpComb> Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd 11:05:25 <Eddi|zuHause> !logs 11:05:40 <dih> thegrebs.com has nice logs also 11:05:47 <blathijs> Eddi|zuHause: thanks 11:06:02 <Nite_Owl> If I remember correctly he was a forum troll 11:06:18 <blathijs> Ah, I hardly ever read the forums, so can't see the post in context :-) 11:07:39 <dih> hehe 11:07:48 <dih> _this_ post is alright 11:08:02 <dih> i just fear it will get worse very quickly 11:08:30 <Nite_Owl> One never knows 11:09:36 <Eddi|zuHause> /dev/sda4 423G 402G 0 100% <- wtf? 11:09:53 <Eddi|zuHause> where did my 20GB suddenly go? 11:09:55 <FauxFaux> ext3, reserved blocks. 11:10:00 <FauxFaux> 5% by default. 11:10:00 <blathijs> Eddi|zuHause: There is a 5% reserved for root IIRC 11:11:08 <Eddi|zuHause> how do i turn that off? 11:11:38 <Eddi|zuHause> root has nothing to do with that HD 11:12:36 <ln-> Eddi|zuHause: tune2fs -m 0 /dev/sda4 11:12:37 <FauxFaux> tune2fs at a guess. 11:12:39 <FauxFaux> Dammit. 11:12:59 <ln-> no need to even unmount before doing that. 11:13:35 <Eddi|zuHause> /dev/sda4 423G 399G 25G 95% <- much better ;) 11:14:29 <Eddi|zuHause> but why didn't that kick in on the other ext3 disk? 11:15:42 <dih> perhaps root already uses 5GB there :-P 11:15:47 <dih> 5% 11:15:48 <dih> sorry 11:17:56 * FauxFaux doesn't know, assumably you (didn't) ask for it. 11:18:28 <Eddi|zuHause> how can i show disk usage per user? 11:23:31 <dih> cd /home 11:23:37 <dih> du -sh * 11:23:38 <dih> :-P 11:24:00 <dih> or if you have quota's enabled, another way 11:24:13 <SmatZ> /dev/hde1 196015808 194048116 1967692 99% /mnt/200gb 11:24:14 <SmatZ> /dev/hdg1 288451232 288031684 419548 100% /mnt/300gb 11:24:16 <SmatZ> /dev/hdc1 480719088 373650980 107068108 78% /mnt/500gb 11:24:20 <SmatZ> running out of space, again :-/ 11:24:49 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@user-54470bf2.wfd82a.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 11:25:58 <ln-> 200gb and 300gb hds? are there such? 11:28:34 <Eddi|zuHause> why wouldn't there? 11:29:28 <ln-> because 250 and 320 are nicer round figures 11:29:44 <Gekz> SmatZ: nice naming 11:29:45 <Gekz> haha 11:30:00 <SmatZ> :) 11:30:00 <Gekz> ln-: 320GB is 300GiB 11:30:35 <ln-> Gekz: what's 500GB then in GiB? 11:31:01 <Gekz> erm 11:31:04 <Gekz> let me check 11:31:29 <Gekz> Disk /dev/sda: 500.1 GB, 500107862016 bytes 11:31:36 <Gekz> wow, 500GB sold as 500GiB 11:31:39 <Gekz> that's something new. 11:31:40 <roboboy> gnight 11:31:42 <TrueBrain> Any Mac OS X PPC around here? (10.3, 10.4, 10.5?) 11:32:07 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: still around? 11:32:15 <planetmaker> yep 11:32:22 <TrueBrain> can you test http://devs.openttd.org/~truebrain/OTTD-OSX-custom-r14350.zip again on 10.4 Intel? 11:32:31 <TrueBrain> (and confirm it has 3 binaries inside the binary?) 11:32:51 <Gekz> 3 binaries inside the archive* 11:32:52 <Ammler> multi universal build :-) 11:32:57 <Gekz> ? 11:33:03 <Gekz> or are we using a Mac-ism 11:33:13 <TrueBrain> universal build always had 3 binaries 11:33:15 <planetmaker> that's the same link, but different, file, yes, TrueBrain ? 11:33:20 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: yes 11:33:56 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:34:27 <ln-> tell TB i can confirm there are 3 binaries in it. 11:34:37 <ln-> OpenTTD.app/Contents/MacOS/openttd: Mach-O universal binary with 3 architectures 11:34:38 <planetmaker> still works. Still seems to miss zlib 11:34:42 <TrueBrain> yes 11:34:43 <TrueBrain> tnx! 11:34:48 <planetmaker> np 11:34:54 <planetmaker> you're welcome 11:34:58 <TrueBrain> 10.4 Intel done, 4 more to check ... 11:36:29 <planetmaker> :) 11:38:07 <planetmaker> [13:24] <SmatZ> running out of space, again :-/ <-- how much would "rm -rf ~/porn" free in that case? :P 11:38:54 <SmatZ> planetmaker: not much porn there... 11:39:00 <planetmaker> :) 11:39:01 <SmatZ> 30GB 11:39:16 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 11:39:28 <planetmaker> :O 11:39:29 <murray> lol, just the regular amount then 11:39:51 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 11:41:41 *** Zephyris [~Zephyris@user-5af25f3c.tcl121.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 11:42:26 <TrueBrain> 10.5 Intel works too .. 3 PPC targets remaining :) 11:42:49 <Nite_Owl> There is too much light coming in through the windows for me to be awake any longer - Good day all. 11:43:07 <peter1138> Hmm, interesting. 11:43:26 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-75-74-51-51.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon] 11:43:39 <peter1138> Just been given a pay rise. 11:44:40 <SmatZ> good :-) 11:45:25 <planetmaker> congratz, peter1138 :) 11:45:38 <TrueBrain> concratz ;) 11:45:55 <planetmaker> for your merrits earned in the OpenTTD development, I assume? :P 11:48:07 <SmatZ> :_) 11:48:19 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5ad545cd.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:52:13 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5ad9f9d2.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 11:53:51 <dih> peter1138: congrats 11:57:42 <peter1138> planetmaker, clearly ;) 11:58:17 <Ammler> hehe 11:58:19 <planetmaker> hehe. Like a drug dealer - distributing OpenTTD to your boss so he'll become adicted and beg your constantly for new features. I knew it! 11:58:50 <planetmaker> ... and not telling him that it's available for free download, but charging 100GBP for each new nightly :P 11:59:24 <peter1138> haha 11:59:30 <peter1138> Don't give me ideas :D 11:59:39 <planetmaker> :-x 11:59:45 <SmatZ> :^) 12:00:21 * peter1138 ponders those Behringer MS40s 12:05:36 *** CIA-1 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:07:34 *** CommanderZ [~matej@r9fi34.net.upc.cz] has left #openttd [] 12:08:23 <Zephyris> Thank you for the license advice you have given 12:09:39 *** HaloMaster [~Peer@219-90-178-101.ip.adam.com.au] has quit [] 12:10:03 <Zephyris> I am considering the licenses on the terms of; can the graphics be distributed freely, can the graphics be distributed in the oppenttd installer, can the graphics be included in linux distros 12:10:12 <Zephyris> And taking into account artist preference 12:11:12 <Zephyris> By these terms the license must be either GPL or CC-by-SA 12:11:49 <FauxFaux> The GPL is not a good choice for art, as someone may have mentioned. 12:11:55 <Zephyris> with the restriction that if the graphics are CC-by-SA then a GPL installer could not include them, but could, for example, download them as part of the installation process. 12:12:14 <Zephyris> FauxFaux: Yup, exactly, hence the unpopularity with the artists 12:12:19 <FauxFaux> Is cc-by-sa 3 not GPL compatiable? 12:12:25 <FauxFaux> Some of the cc3 lincenses are. 12:12:40 <Zephyris> According to wikipedia, no 12:12:53 <Zephyris> i think... 12:13:03 <FauxFaux> I could've swoprn someone said... 12:13:04 <ln-> might i just say that if the graphics cannot be distributed with OTTD, then the there's not much advantage over the original TTD graphics. 12:13:24 <peter1138> You might. 12:13:46 <ln-> thanks. 12:13:57 <Zephyris> All proposed licenses allow the free distribution with openttd, just not necessarily as part of openttd - does that make sense? 12:14:16 <FauxFaux> Not to me. 12:15:24 <Zephyris> You could download both the OpenTTD game and the OpenGFX graphics from the OpenTTD website, but the different licenses would not necessarily allow the download of a single package (installer/zip file) which contains both 12:15:50 <Zephyris> Both would be free to distribute, but not as a single endity 12:16:14 <FauxFaux> Sounds like a hillariously shitty license to me. 12:16:44 *** Pikka [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:17:02 <Zephyris> Welcome to the laws of licenses, its a hilariously shitty world 12:18:30 <FauxFaux> I'm positive someone said cc3 was okay. 12:20:05 <FauxFaux> Sigh, apparently not (using linux.com as a source, highly suspicious). 12:21:00 <Ammler> just to be sure, "hg up -r c23c4457" does update to that revision, just the revision detector of openttd doesn't work, so I just need to write it with configure? 12:23:42 <peter1138> No. 12:23:46 <Eddi|zuHause> <Zephyris> with the restriction that if the graphics are CC-by-SA then a GPL installer could not include them, but could, for example, download them as part of the installation process. <- my interpretation of the GPL said that you can put two independent packages into the same medium, even if one was not GPL, which means a windows installer (as wide interpretation of "medium") could include the graphics, as long as they are in it side by 12:23:46 <Eddi|zuHause> side as equal packages, and you give a selection to not install the graphics. (as in 3 choices: 1. install openttd, 2. search for original gfx, 3. install "open" gfx) 12:23:48 <peter1138> Just "hg update c23c4457" 12:24:27 <peter1138> Change "hg tip" in findversion.sh to "hg parents" 12:24:54 <Eddi|zuHause> that'd be my favourite variant about a gfx-replacement 12:26:27 <Ammler> thanks peter1138 12:30:38 <Ammler> Zephyris: the license is not about distribution, I hope, it is mostly about reusing your sprites, isn't? 12:30:54 <peter1138> Of course it's about redistribution. 12:30:56 <Zephyris> Eddi|zuHause: I agree, although the devs opinion is what counts 12:31:23 <Eddi|zuHause> a license can ONLY be about distribution... 12:31:43 *** Pikka [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has joined #openttd 12:32:01 <Ammler> aha 12:32:13 <Eddi|zuHause> uÀÀÀrgs... jpg screenshots... my eyes hurt... :( 12:32:57 <Zephyris> I want all my work to be available for use and reuse and modification for OpenTTD/TTDPatch, and be available for distribution and redistribution with or as part of OpenTTD, with suitable protection to prevent exploitation 12:33:12 <Gekz> how could it be exploited. 12:33:18 <Ammler> maybe you got me wrong, the most important thing, imo, is that you can reuse OpenGFX as much as you like without asking the author. 12:33:42 <Zephyris> Yup, I agree 12:33:56 <Gekz> GPL it? 12:34:15 <Ammler> and if there is only the pcx and the nfo, how can it missused? 12:34:25 <Eddi|zuHause> Zephyris: if you read the dfsg link above, the "protection" arguments are often what makes the licenses unsuitible to be included anywhere 12:35:15 <Zephyris> By protection I mean the graphics can be reused and modified without asking for permission, ie. as terms of the licence, but the product of such modifications must be released under the same license 12:35:37 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, that'll be CC-BY-SA 12:35:37 <Zephyris> which is why the GPL and CC-by-SA are being considered 12:35:52 <Gekz> CC is not compatible with the GPL 12:36:09 <Gekz> Zephyris: GPL covers your terms 12:36:22 <Eddi|zuHause> GPL has the inherent problem of clearly defining what the "source" of a graphics file is 12:36:30 <Zephyris> But GPL is not an artistic license and has many large ambiguities with graphical work 12:36:32 *** Aylomen [~a@DSL01.83.171.155.39.ip-pool.NEFkom.net] has joined #openttd 12:36:32 <Ammler> so if I would like to make a singe Engine GRF with a sprite from you; I am not allowed to use GPL if you have that restricted CC? 12:36:46 <Gekz> Zephyris: write your own license? 12:36:46 <Eddi|zuHause> Gekz: i'd suggest you read some the forum thread arguments 12:37:02 <peter1138> Ammler, correct. 12:37:04 <Zephyris> Ammler: Yes, it would have to be CC 12:37:22 <Gekz> Ammler: therefore you cant use it with GPL 12:37:26 <Gekz> because CC is incompatible 12:37:36 <Eddi|zuHause> Gekz: writing an own license is the worst thing to do 12:37:39 <Zephyris> More specifically the product would have to be released under the CC-by-SA with credit to the original authors 12:38:17 <Gekz> http://www.perlfoundation.org/artistic_license_2_0 12:39:28 *** Yeggstry [~mind@cpc1-rdng14-0-0-cust946.winn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 12:39:50 <Ammler> on GPL, I don't need to credit you, is that the difference? 12:40:15 <dih> public domain 12:40:22 <Ammler> then it might be worth to use CC 12:40:56 <Gekz> using CC would make it cumbersome to be used with OpenTTD 12:41:11 <Ammler> cumbersome? 12:41:37 <Ammler> why? 12:42:21 <Ammler> openttd?.grf looks also like CC 12:42:26 <Gekz> http://www.zope.org/Resources/ZPL 12:42:34 <Gekz> you cant distribute CC with GPL 12:42:38 <Gekz> they're incompatible licences. 12:43:13 <Ammler> [14:39] <Ammler> on GPL, I don't need to credit you, is that the difference? <-- then, that isn't the only difference? 12:43:46 <dih> like i said Gekz: Public Domain ;-) 12:44:20 <Gekz> Ammler: http://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html#SoftwareLicenses 12:44:43 <Eddi|zuHause> Gekz: but you can distribute them ALONGSIDE each other. like putting them on the same medium (CD, Installer, FTP-Server) 12:44:50 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has quit [Quit: ecke] 12:45:00 <Gekz> Eddi|zuHause: ohs. 12:45:03 <Eddi|zuHause> as long as it is clear that they are two separate packages 12:45:12 <Gekz> but 12:45:15 <Gekz> thats still cumbersome 12:45:24 <Eddi|zuHause> no, it's not 12:45:25 <Gekz> you can't include it as the default grf 12:45:34 <Gekz> in the same archive 12:45:41 <Ammler> why not? 12:45:53 <Ammler> like it is now 12:45:54 <Eddi|zuHause> you shouldn't either. you should give the user the ability to use the original gfx as default 12:45:59 <Zephyris> This is the key point which has to be clarified 12:46:02 <Ammler> you don't have the data on same dir as the binary. 12:46:14 <dih> that is a point the devs have to clarify 12:46:15 <planetmaker> [14:39] <Ammler> on GPL, I don't need to credit you, is that the difference? <--- no. GPL requires attribution, if you want it. 12:46:38 <Zephyris> The only problem now is the issue of co-distribution 12:46:48 <Zephyris> Cant they be on the same website? 12:46:56 <Ammler> planetmaker: I am looking for a reason, why artists don't like GPL... 12:47:04 <Gekz> what about when OpenTTD is entirely free from the original TTD code 12:47:13 <Gekz> it just encumbers the process some more 12:47:28 <Zephyris> Can they be in the same zip? 12:47:32 <Zephyris> Or installer 12:48:12 <Zephyris> I would like to make it clear that the graphics will be released under the GPL if necessary, but there is a large preference among the artists that CC-by-SA is used instead 12:48:37 <Zephyris> I want to check that this is feasible dispite the incompatible nature of the GPL and CC-by-SA licenses 12:48:40 <Ammler> and can you say in short why? 12:48:44 <Eddi|zuHause> <Gekz> what about when OpenTTD is entirely free from the original TTD code <- that is a condition that is impossible to check, as no part of OpenTTD ever was a verbatim copy of TTD 12:49:12 <Zephyris> Ammler: Principly because of the ambiguities in the GPL when it is applied to graphics 12:50:23 <dih> Zephyris: i just cannot get why you give such a big damn 12:50:38 <dih> yes - you invested a lot of time and effort 12:50:49 <dih> but what is more important? 12:51:13 <dih> ask the Devs what they would need if they were gonna bundle their OpenTTD with OpenGFX 12:51:17 <dih> and then satisfy that 12:51:38 <Zephyris> The devs arent copyright experts 12:51:40 <dih> or you just created some nice alternative nobody will give a damn to use 12:51:44 <Zephyris> they need some informed advice 12:51:53 <Ammler> dih: he asks the devs of the OpenGFX :-) 12:52:01 <Zephyris> and i am trying to give them that by finding out what can be done 12:52:02 <dih> the devs are not copyright experts, no, but they have their own piece of mind 12:52:21 <Zephyris> when i asked the devs they said come back with some simple pros and cons 12:52:23 <dih> did it ever occure to you, that they might say that they would not want to support any CC ? 12:52:29 <Zephyris> which is what I am trying to work out here 12:52:40 <Zephyris> they will support CC so long as they can see simple pros and cons of it 12:52:51 <Zephyris> and if the cons are too severe then they wont supprot it 12:53:14 <Zephyris> they wont support CC-by-SA-NC because the cons with distribution would be too severe 12:54:16 <Zephyris> I hope that makes sense :) I am stuck in the middle at the moment! 12:56:23 <dih> why not make it public domain? 12:56:47 <Eddi|zuHause> that is not possible in some countries. 12:56:55 <Eddi|zuHause> meaning germany ;) 12:56:59 <Ammler> dih: why isn't OpenTTD not public domain? 12:57:00 <Zephyris> and is not acceptable to the other artists 12:57:22 <Ammler> -not 12:57:46 <Eddi|zuHause> public domain is a step too far, imho 12:57:58 <dih> Eddi|zuHause: where is it not possible to make something publicly available and state one does not give a damn about shit? 12:58:19 <dih> apparently they cannot make it GPL 12:59:05 <Zephyris> germany, and we can make it GPL, and will if necessary, but would prefer not. 13:00:07 <Eddi|zuHause> dih: you can give out "unconditional licenses", but not "copyright" in germany 13:00:15 <Ammler> Zephyris: wouldn't you accept the pcx as source? 13:00:19 <Gekz> Eddi|zuHause: it uses the original game files 13:01:07 <Ammler> do you fear you need to distribute your whole workspace? 13:01:31 <Zephyris> Ammler: yes, it would be a gig of stuff 13:01:54 <Zephyris> I would accept pcx as source, but I am no lawyer and with an ambiguous license... 13:02:25 <Ammler> and if that would be defined somewhere? 13:02:44 <Ammler> source=pcx+nfo 13:03:13 <Ammler> well, in your case, the decoded grf would be enough :-) 13:03:32 <Zephyris> adding extra conditions to a license is always dodgy, but as I said if CC-by-SA is not acceptable to the devs then yes that will be the case 13:03:44 <Zephyris> a folder of sprites with offsets is all that would be needed 13:03:54 <Ammler> Zephyris: and CC-by-SA does define that? 13:04:29 <Zephyris> CC-by-SA has no requirements for a "source", it is an artistic license 13:04:55 <Zephyris> but it may as well come with the decoded grf too... 13:04:58 <Gekz> Zephyris: you could make it CC-by-SA 13:05:06 <Gekz> with a special exception for distribution with OpenTTD 13:05:14 <Gekz> as you _are_ the copyright owner and have the right to make exceptions 13:05:19 <Ammler> thanks, now I see it :-) 13:05:40 <dih> all authers have to agree Gekz 13:05:43 <dih> ;-) 13:06:06 <Gekz> dih: then make a consensus. 13:06:16 <dih> Zephyris: what is the reseon to avoid GPL? 13:06:23 <Eddi|zuHause> Zephyris: but what i said in the thread still holds, for modification purposes, it would be better to split the huge PCX in smaller groups (one entity like the 8 vehicle views per file) 13:06:24 <Gekz> dih: read the backlog. 13:06:32 <Ammler> I always thought, GPL is too less restricted :-) 13:06:56 <hylje> cut the drama and use BSD like grown-ups do 13:07:00 <hylje> :-) 13:07:01 <Eddi|zuHause> the NFO easily allows including multiple PCX files 13:07:20 <Gekz> hylje: sigh 13:07:33 <Gekz> when it comes down to it, I don't care about the license. 13:07:37 <Gekz> I care about the patents. 13:07:44 <Gekz> patents must die. 13:07:55 <Eddi|zuHause> then a user saying "i don't like the look of the A4" could just modify that one file, and not worry about conflicts with other completely unrelated objects 13:08:32 <Eddi|zuHause> but that is totally independent from the license 13:08:32 <Ammler> I agree to Eddi|zuHause and suggest you are using the Makefile for openttd?.grf: http://vcs.openttd.org/svn/browser/extra/ottd_grf 13:09:10 <Eddi|zuHause> also, it makes it easier to specify who is the author of each file 13:09:12 <Ammler> (maybe foobar already does something similar 13:09:50 <Zephyris> with either GPL or CC a user could modify a single vehicle and then only redistribute only the graphics for that vehicle - you can safely make a derivative work from only part of the original 13:10:26 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, i am speaking about usability, not about license 13:11:40 <Eddi|zuHause> say one person modified the A4, and another person modified the wooden bridge, separate files would make these changes trivial to merge 13:12:01 <Ammler> I hope also, there will still be the GRFs available as single parts so you could compine originals with the replacement... 13:12:15 <Ammler> !/p/b/ 13:13:03 <Eddi|zuHause> also, if the second person wants to redistribute just that single bridge, he needs not elaborately find out who to attribute for the original brige, as that could be meta-information for the individual file (or a directory structure) 13:13:40 <planetmaker> [15:05] <Gekz> with a special exception for distribution with OpenTTD <-- not the worst of ideas. 13:13:52 <Gekz> hurray 13:14:08 <ln-> planetmaker: what is "OpenTTD"? 13:14:34 <Zephyris> Eddi|zuHause: They would have to credit all original authors, the derivative work is from an original work of shared authorship. 13:15:10 <planetmaker> ln-: the game we all like :) 13:15:13 <Eddi|zuHause> Zephyris: yes, but it doesn't have to be, if you can specifically find out one author for the respective sprite 13:15:41 <ln-> planetmaker: yes, so anyone who distributes something called OpenTTD is allowed to distribute those graphics. fine. 13:15:48 <Zephyris> true, but for simplicity the whole thing will be credited to shared authorship 13:15:49 <Eddi|zuHause> say, you modified a bridge, and redistribute that separately, you don't have to credit a person who only worked on airport sprites 13:16:43 <Ammler> mostly it is Zephyris and a coder :-9 13:17:08 <Eddi|zuHause> that i did not check ;) 13:17:26 <planetmaker> ln-: OpenTTD is an open source clone of the Microprose game "Transport Tycoon Deluxe", a popular game originally written by Chris Sawyer. It attempts to mimic the original game as closely as possible while extending it with new features. 13:17:27 <planetmaker> OpenTTD is licensed under the GNU General Public License version 2.0. For more information, see the file COPYING included with every release and source download of the game. 13:17:32 <Ammler> if he didn't code it self ;-) 13:17:52 <planetmaker> with a link to the website will do, I guess in order to make it unambigeous. 13:18:01 <Eddi|zuHause> the individual attribution is just a bonus... just about the conflict prevention would be a great usability enhancement already 13:18:03 <Gekz> that clearly defines it. 13:18:16 <Gekz> Now think of a situation where someone is seriously going to pick through said license 13:18:19 <Gekz> for some 8 bit sprites 13:18:29 <Gekz> why would they go out of their way to call a product OpenTTD 13:18:38 <Gekz> which would have nothing to do with whatever their product is 13:18:45 <Gekz> >_> 13:18:57 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: but anyone who is allowed (per GPL) to make a modification to it, might redistribute that under a completely different name 13:19:27 <Gekz> they can redistribute OpenTTD all they want 13:19:33 <Gekz> it just cant include the opengfx then 13:19:41 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: the opengfx license must not restrict this in any way 13:19:57 <Gekz> why. 13:20:08 <Ammler> but that should also be possible, imo 13:20:11 <Eddi|zuHause> because any such clause is incompatible with the GPL 13:20:22 <planetmaker> because then it's not free anymore according to the debian definition. 13:20:28 <Ammler> forks (or however they are called) should also be able to use them... 13:20:38 <Gekz> then add that to the exception 13:20:45 <Gekz> OpenTTD and any future or past forks 13:20:47 <Gekz> or present 13:20:48 <Gekz> lol 13:20:57 <Gekz> it's not hard to elaborate upon an exception 13:20:58 <Ammler> :-) 13:21:05 <Eddi|zuHause> what about TTDP? which is undoubtedly not a fork? 13:21:19 <Ammler> Eddi|zuHause: they don't need it really. 13:21:31 <Ammler> as they need the original anyway. 13:21:32 <Eddi|zuHause> but they must be allowed to do so 13:21:43 <Ammler> you can use them anyway. 13:22:15 <Gekz> why must they be 13:22:18 <Eddi|zuHause> say someone rewrites TTDP in a way they can use the opengfx, any such above discussed restriction would prevent them from using it 13:22:22 <Gekz> TTDP isnt GPL 13:22:22 <Gekz> is it? 13:22:23 <Ammler> but OpenTTD can become independent with them. 13:22:26 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, it is 13:22:33 <Gekz> then they may apply for an exception 13:22:36 <Gekz> or you can give them one 13:22:59 <Eddi|zuHause> Gekz: the point about "free" software is, that you DON'T HAVE TO ASK 13:23:09 <Gekz> lols 13:23:17 <Gekz> point: this file isnt software 13:23:19 <Gekz> its art. 13:23:21 <Gekz> graphics 13:23:36 <Ammler> Eddi|zuHause: !s/free/open/ 13:23:58 <Eddi|zuHause> free as in speech 13:24:06 <Gekz> speech isnt free 13:24:08 <Gekz> it has limits. 13:24:18 <Eddi|zuHause> as has the GPL 13:24:24 <Eddi|zuHause> or the CC-BY-SA 13:24:25 <Gekz> as if I didnt see that one coming. 13:24:31 <Gekz> Public domain ftw. 13:24:42 <Eddi|zuHause> public domain has also its limits 13:24:50 <Gekz> how. 13:25:02 <Gekz> you may use it for any reason without limit >_> 13:25:06 <Eddi|zuHause> some laws make posession of certain software illegal 13:25:10 <dih> i refuse to use the opengfx stuff 13:25:23 <dih> i much prefer the original graphics 13:25:32 <Gekz> what the hell does that have to do with public domain 13:25:33 <Gekz> lol 13:25:44 <Gekz> some laws make some things illegal. 13:26:01 <Eddi|zuHause> germany, for example, has a law that makes use of software illegal, that can crack copy-protection 13:26:16 <Eddi|zuHause> there it does not matter that the software might be public domain 13:26:20 <Eddi|zuHause> it is still restricted 13:26:55 <Gekz> has nothing to do with the fact that the software is free 13:26:56 <Gekz> completely 13:26:58 <Gekz> for any reason 13:27:10 <Gekz> you're just not free to use it. 13:27:35 <dih> yes - software is free, germans arnt 13:27:36 <Eddi|zuHause> same as for speech 13:27:54 <dih> yes - speach is free, germans still are not 13:27:55 <Eddi|zuHause> it is free, but some laws may still forbid certain expressions 13:28:31 <Eddi|zuHause> for example, holocaust denial is a crime in germany, where it would fall under free speech in america 13:29:04 <Gekz> Germany has some retarded laws. 13:29:06 <Gekz> ol 13:29:09 <Gekz> lol* 13:29:26 <dih> in englans you are (by law) still allowed to shoot stocts with bow 'n arrow 13:29:29 <dih> just not on sundays 13:29:31 <Eddi|zuHause> most of these are actually ones that were enforced by americans 13:29:35 <Gekz> speech has rules that arent based around law too 13:29:36 <Gekz> society doesnt like tsercertain opics 13:29:44 <Gekz> bah laggy ssh 13:29:54 <Gekz> stocts? 13:29:55 <dih> lol 13:30:00 <dih> scots 13:30:08 <dih> bad laggy ssh 13:30:09 <dih> :-D 13:30:24 <Gekz> oh lol 13:30:25 <Gekz> scots 13:30:40 <hylje> free speech means you are supposed to be able to talk even about topics nobody likes 13:30:50 <dih> there is a state in the us where you are not allowed to cout backwards in hex 13:30:52 <hylje> too bad if the society doesn't want its faults to be exposed 13:31:15 <Gekz> how can ssh be laggy 13:31:18 <Gekz> FROM THE OTHER FUCKING ROOM 13:31:26 <Gekz> something is seriously broken 13:31:29 <dih> how do you know where i am sitting? 13:31:30 <dih> :-P 13:31:55 *** TheMask96 [martijn@sirius-r5.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 13:32:00 <Gekz> lol. 13:32:13 <Eddi|zuHause> <dih> there is a state in the us where you are not allowed to cout backwards in hex <- somebody was drunk, i assume :p 13:33:00 <dih> and said 'fuck you'? 13:33:12 <dih> to a bitchin cop? 13:38:40 <Brianetta> Eddi, Gekz: If you want it in Debian, it MUST be GPL compatible. 13:39:16 <Gekz> Fuck, you people make me want to write a GPL-compatible artistic license. 13:39:22 <Gekz> just so I can say "THERE." 13:39:23 *** CommanderZ [~matej@r9fi34.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 13:39:26 <Gekz> and feel all egotistic. 13:39:28 <Brianetta> dih: The scots and shooting thing was only in York, and the Law Commission has rescinded it. 13:39:43 <dih> Brianetta: what a shame :-P 13:39:46 <Brianetta> Gekz: There is one... 13:40:07 <Brianetta> http://artlibre.org/licence/lal/en/ 13:40:08 <Gekz> artistic license != an artistic license 13:40:21 <Gekz> thats not compatible afaik 13:40:30 <Brianetta> It is, according to the Gnu Project web site. 13:40:43 <Belugas> WE NEED LAWYERS LIARS! 13:40:43 <Gekz> O.o 13:40:52 <Gekz> then use it. 13:40:58 <Brianetta> On what? 13:41:10 <Brianetta> None of my art is scheduled for inclusion into anything. 13:41:23 *** Fuco [dota.keys@wireless-99.fi.muni.cz] has quit [Quit: Quit] 13:41:51 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 13:47:42 <peter1138> 110GB! 13:47:52 <TrueBrain> oeh 13:47:57 <TrueBrain> peter1138 is getting all happy 13:49:25 <Eddi|zuHause> Brianetta: imho, as long as the hypothetical "openttd-gfx" package stays separate from the "openttd" package (as in, you can deselect the installation of it), CC-BY-SA will be perfectly fine to be included anywhere 13:49:59 <peter1138> Hmm, I left yorick banned... never mind. 13:50:31 <Eddi|zuHause> some person's log page must have insane traffic then :p 13:50:37 <peter1138> :) 13:50:37 <Brianetta> Eddi: CC-BY-SA is, as far as I can tell, GPL compatible. 13:51:10 *** mode/#openttd [+q *!*Yorick@*.adsl.wanadoo.nl] by peter1138 13:51:13 *** mode/#openttd [-b *!*Yorick@*.adsl.wanadoo.nl] by peter1138 13:51:31 <Brianetta> Alas, poor Yorick. I knew him, Horatio; he was a man of infinite irritation. 13:51:51 <Brianetta> What does mode q do? 13:52:06 <peter1138> Quiet. 13:52:14 <Brianetta> Oh, sweet. 13:52:23 <Brianetta> The anti-v 13:52:44 <TrueBrain> how many times is yorick banned by now ... :p I lost count 13:53:18 *** rolerzzis [~rolerzzis@87.110.170.170] has joined #openttd 13:53:30 <rolerzzis> dsconnect 13:53:33 <peter1138> More than Jez. 13:53:44 *** rolerzzis [~rolerzzis@87.110.170.170] has quit [] 13:53:45 <Brianetta> I might just pop him on my ignorance list 13:53:46 <peter1138> Jez had a habit of using host anonymisers though. 13:54:05 *** rolerzzis [~rolerzzis@87.110.170.170] has joined #openttd 13:54:16 <rolerzzis> hi guyzzzz 13:54:23 <rolerzzis> whatt is upzzzz????? 13:54:31 *** mode/#openttd [+b *!*rolerzzis@87.110.170.*] by peter1138 13:54:31 *** rolerzzis was kicked from #openttd by peter1138 [Sticky keys?] 13:54:35 <Eddi|zuHause> > grep Bann oftc.net_#openttd.log -i | grep yorick -i | grep verhÀngt | wc -l 13:54:37 <Eddi|zuHause> 16 13:54:56 <peter1138> Way more than 16. 13:55:18 <Eddi|zuHause> that's what my log says 13:55:20 <Brianetta> That's just what Eddi's witnessed 13:55:34 <Eddi|zuHause> first instance was 10th March 13:55:40 <TrueBrain> lol @ peter1138 13:57:59 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 13:58:17 <Eddi|zuHause> > grep Bann oftc.net_#openttd.log -i | grep yorick -i | grep verhÀngt | awk '{ print }' | sort | uniq -c 13:58:18 <Eddi|zuHause> 2 Bjarni 13:58:20 <Eddi|zuHause> 2 DorpsGek 13:58:21 <Eddi|zuHause> 11 peter1138 13:58:23 <Eddi|zuHause> 1 TrueBrain 13:58:56 <dih> LOL peter1138 13:58:58 <dih> nice ban 13:59:33 <Eddi|zuHause> peter1138: maybe it felt like 111 ;) 14:00:19 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: I only count 7 real bans for yorick 14:00:34 <TrueBrain> hmm, no, those stats are wrong 14:01:24 <TrueBrain> 97 bans in total since DorpsGek is here, 16 of which are for yorick .. :) 14:01:48 <Eddi|zuHause> see, that's what i said ;) 14:02:04 <TrueBrain> 364 kicks, 42 to yorick :p 14:02:39 <Rubidium> maybe we'd try mode q on yorick 14:02:40 <TrueBrain> 35 bans in total set by peter1138 :p 14:02:49 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: peter1138 did, if you would have read :p 14:03:12 <Eddi|zuHause> hm. i count only 337 kicks... 14:03:15 <Eddi|zuHause> *37 14:03:30 <Rubidium> missed that :) 14:03:40 <TrueBrain> 20070403, first day DorpsGek was here 14:04:14 <Eddi|zuHause> 30th January is the first kick of yorick, according to my logs 14:04:36 <dih> did _42_ not do any 14:04:43 <dih> or are you looking at those logs alos 14:04:47 <dih> *also 14:04:53 <TrueBrain> dih: is in some archive, no interest :p 14:05:03 <Eddi|zuHause> *** Datum: Mo Jul 23 10:16:00 2007 <- the day my logs started 14:06:04 <dih> google for "kick yorick site:thegrebs.com" 14:06:09 <dih> 82 hits :-D 14:06:30 <Eddi|zuHause> that's not actually a reliable method 14:06:34 <Brianetta> That'll be doubled by this conversation aofter the next index 14:07:36 <dih> true 14:07:46 <Eddi|zuHause> it counts pages where the words "kick" and "yorick" appear together 14:07:48 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a46ad5.virnxx14.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 14:07:49 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 14:08:12 <Eddi|zuHause> it has nothing to do with wether a kick really occured, or if yorick was the target of that kick 14:08:20 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has joined #openttd 14:08:49 <Bjarni> you want me to kick yorick? 14:09:05 <Eddi|zuHause> that'll be hard right now :p 14:09:33 * Bjarni sets mode +b *yorick!*@* 14:09:50 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, that'll go well with the +q ;) 14:10:13 <Eddi|zuHause> who was that guy who was banned for months, and nobody cared? 14:10:15 <Brianetta> noban 14:10:20 <Brianetta> mute is funny 14:10:27 <Eddi|zuHause> DiaboloD3? 14:11:07 <Eddi|zuHause> we should have a hall of unfame :p 14:11:11 <Bjarni> well we banned him for months and forgot about it 14:11:12 <Brianetta> no 14:11:18 <Brianetta> people would try to get into it 14:14:29 <dih> Bjarni: yorick has a static ip ;-) 14:15:54 <Bjarni> cool 14:16:12 <Bjarni> but it would be more fun to ban a dynamic IP 14:16:27 <Forked> idents are picked by user.. 14:16:49 <FauxFaux> Not on some machines. 14:16:50 <Bjarni> I have a dynamic IP and at one time I was unable to access a webserver. It claimed that I was banned due to spamming 14:17:35 <Bjarni> however I never posted anything on that server. It would have been ok for me to have it read only 14:17:39 <dih> Forked: look at the logs and you will find that for the pased year, that ident has not changed hostmask 14:18:12 * Forked likes his static IPs 14:19:00 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm6.epsilon121.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:19:06 <Eddi|zuHause> http://www.tt-forums.net/download/file.php?id=99118 <- is it just me or are the presignals there useless? 14:19:10 *** mode/#openttd [+b *!*@*.igjen.vdsl2.no] by Bjarni 14:19:24 <Bjarni> that is what you get for declaring that you have a static IP :P 14:19:40 *** mode/#openttd [-b *!*@*.igjen.vdsl2.no] by Bjarni 14:19:40 <FauxFaux> You banned an entire ISP 'cos they give out static ips? 14:19:44 <Forked> Bjarni: thats on this line, I have the other DSL line as well =p 14:19:55 <dih> Eddi|zuHause: that's just you 14:20:05 <Forked> FauxFaux: I'm the only one with *.vdsl2.no hosts :) so ban that domain and you'll get rid of me 14:20:05 <Bjarni> FauxFaux: something like that 14:20:24 <Forked> (not really that many customers using vdsl2 ..yet) 14:20:44 <Eddi|zuHause> dih: ah well then, i started to think it was really a problem :p 14:21:04 <dih> :-P 14:21:15 <Forked> why would that pre signal not be any good? "is platform A or B free? no? I'll wait here for the first available" 14:21:46 <Eddi|zuHause> Forked: they are two separate stations, trains do not have a choice over A or B 14:21:58 <Forked> OH 14:22:00 <Forked> my bad 14:23:09 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: actually... if you set go non-stop to Grain Pickup 5 and that platform is full, it'll make another round instead of blocking the station 14:23:14 <peter1138> TrueBrain, lol, that guy made a mess of #tycoon 14:24:25 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: for that to work, you would have an insanely high last-red penalty, (it's not twoway, so the eol cannot kick in) 14:25:22 <Eddi|zuHause> the last red signal must get a higher pathfinder result than another full round worth of tracks 14:28:32 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@62.113.133.253] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:30:12 *** CommanderZ [~matej@r9fi34.net.upc.cz] has left #openttd [] 14:33:36 <Ammler> only 10 signals will be counted for penalty... 14:34:06 *** Pikka [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:36:14 <Eddi|zuHause> the 10 first, and the last 14:36:49 *** Pikka [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has joined #openttd 14:36:53 <Eddi|zuHause> where the first is also treated differently than the next 9 14:38:00 <Eddi|zuHause> first is to choose a free junction exit, last to choose a free platform, and the first 10 for load balancing 14:39:14 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@85.27.135.237] has joined #openttd 14:39:27 <Eddi|zuHause> but i need to correct my previous statement, the first-red penalty must be high, as the last-red is also applied to the full round trip 14:39:33 *** daspork [~daspork@71-87-195-77.dhcp.kgpt.tn.charter.com] has left #openttd [Leaving] 14:39:42 <Eddi|zuHause> because it will end at that very same signal 14:39:58 <SmatZ> [15:51:08] *** peter1138 gives channel owner privileges to *!*Yorick@*.adsl.wanadoo.nl. 14:40:06 <SmatZ> I wonder why my client fails in this :-x 14:40:15 <Eddi|zuHause> SmatZ: it's a misinterpretation of the flag 14:40:18 <peter1138> Haha 14:40:23 <Eddi|zuHause> it has different meaning on different networks 14:40:24 <peter1138> Unless I did... :o 14:40:32 <SmatZ> it is, and I get scared everytime it happens :) 14:40:32 <peter1138> I don't think so though :) 14:40:41 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, happened to me, too ;) 14:41:05 <SmatZ> :-) 14:41:09 <Eddi|zuHause> the konversation people are over at freenode, i think 14:41:19 <Eddi|zuHause> you could request a change ;) 14:41:22 <TrueBrain> Konversation ;) 14:41:33 <Eddi|zuHause> but i kinda doubt that they're going to make another KDE3 release 14:41:41 <Ammler> nice client :P 14:41:47 <SmatZ> :) 14:42:23 <Eddi|zuHause> there's also an option to just show the raw mode changes 14:43:01 <SmatZ> Eddi|zuHause: found it, thanks :) 14:43:44 <Eddi|zuHause> so... who writes my diploma thesis now? 14:44:06 <SmatZ> go go go! what is your diploma thesis about? 14:44:29 <Eddi|zuHause> an abstraction layer to analyse combined python/c++ programs 14:44:52 *** Pikka [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:45:03 *** Jezral [~projectjj@85.27.135.237] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:45:08 <SmatZ> aha, I expected something more math-like :) 14:46:07 <Eddi|zuHause> http://cgi.ebay.de/Teilchenbeschleuniger-ohne-Urknall_W0QQitemZ260286030778QQcmdZViewItem#ebayphotohosting <- hahaha :p [german] 14:46:16 <TrueBrain> I have 2 identical system, or so I thought ... one does compile OSX GCC, the other doesn't ... 14:46:18 <TrueBrain> go figure :( 14:46:44 * SmatZ goes figure 14:48:40 *** teggigi [~asd@ti0056a340-dhcp0311.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 14:49:46 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 14:49:49 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 14:57:01 <peter1138> Pom te pom 14:57:31 <TrueBrain> lalala 14:57:44 <dih> heh 14:57:48 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@62.113.133.253] has joined #openttd 14:57:56 <dih> 3mins 15secs to compile openttd in a vps 14:58:20 <Ammler> that is fast 14:58:20 *** Dr_Jekyll [Dr_Jekyll@p57B0D454.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:58:26 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:59:53 * peter1138 hungers. 15:00:09 * Eddi|zuHause goes eating 15:05:37 <glx> peter1138: your hg fix was incomplete ;) 15:06:50 <TrueBrain> glx: nobody cares about MSVC :p 15:06:52 <TrueBrain> (haha, sorry :)) 15:08:06 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 15:08:45 <peter1138> Oh, well fix it? :p 15:08:54 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 15:10:12 <glx> already done ;) 15:10:32 <peter1138> Oh, okay. 15:10:49 <peter1138> Oh right, MSVC has to be different :P 15:11:23 <peter1138> Anyway, the hg log line is wrong too :( 15:12:12 <peter1138> g$ hg parents 15:12:12 <peter1138> changeset: 19837:c23c445783d6 15:12:17 <peter1138> $ hg log -k "svn" -l 1 15:12:17 <peter1138> changeset: 19897:6e3a58a7587d 15:12:18 <peter1138> :o 15:12:41 <peter1138> Oh, TrueBrain, by the way... 15:12:44 <peter1138> 111GB! 15:12:50 <TrueBrain> 1 GB more, whoho 15:12:53 <planetmaker> [16:19] <Eddi|zuHause> http://www.tt-forums.net/download/file.php?id=99118 <- is it just me or are the presignals there useless? <-- they're not useless. They're wrong. 15:13:34 <planetmaker> Because the choice is not equivalent and a train may go to the wrong station due to those mis-places pre-signal-exit-signals there. 15:13:40 <planetmaker> *mis-placed 15:13:42 <peter1138> No it won't. 15:13:48 <TrueBrain> isn't wrong a form of useless? 15:14:11 <peter1138> The pre-signals won't make a train choose the wrong path. 15:14:17 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: but presignals do not influence the path the train chooses 15:14:18 <planetmaker> TrueBrain: I define useless as non-malicious, not detrimental, no effect 15:14:44 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: in no way I was being serious :) 15:14:48 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: if there were no presignals, the train would still have the choice of the wrong platform 15:15:04 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: they do IIRC. When the entry gets green... it will go to the green exit. If that's wrong - bad luck for the train. 15:15:23 <peter1138> It won't go to the green exit. 15:15:24 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: yes, but then it won't chose the wrong one and will wait 15:15:28 <Eddi|zuHause> presignal exits have slightly different penalty 15:15:39 <Eddi|zuHause> but the choice is still the same 15:15:51 <peter1138> It will go to the exit that will take it to the station it intends to reach 15:16:19 <planetmaker> hm... got to test that somewhen... then they're at least useless :) 15:17:01 <Eddi|zuHause> like i said, you'd have to have insanely high penalties for the red signal to make the train take another roundtrip instead of waiting 15:17:50 <planetmaker> kk :) Obviously I've been living with the wrong assumptions on this point for quite some time without ever bothering to test - as it's either useless or wrong :P 15:18:10 <Belugas> fun fun fun... i don't understand it totally, therefor it's useless 15:18:15 *** grumbel [~grumbel@i577BAD7D.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 15:18:23 <Belugas> or worse, it's buggy 15:18:26 <Belugas> ffffff 15:18:34 <planetmaker> Belugas: ??? You looked at the image? 15:18:59 <Belugas> no, just your comments ;) 15:19:30 <Eddi|zuHause> Belugas: i just took the image from a random forum post, and wante to point out the rather obvious user error ;) 15:19:39 <Eddi|zuHause> +d 15:20:25 <planetmaker> gah... :) I think we all understand the intention of the builder. But either implementation is useless - and obviously I thought wrongly that it's even worse, that it's faulty 15:20:52 <Belugas> welll... didn't you concluded that presignals are useless? 15:21:05 <Belugas> or that HIS use of presignal is useless 15:21:13 <Belugas> two different things 15:21:17 <planetmaker> HIS 15:21:20 <planetmaker> not in general 15:21:24 <planetmaker> not at all. 15:21:45 <glx> peter1138: hg log is not hard to fix 15:22:01 <peter1138> No? 15:22:49 <Belugas> then i retract my comment 15:23:24 <planetmaker> :) 15:24:12 <Eddi|zuHause> fun fun fun... don't fully understand the comment and it immediately is a stupid-user-bashing-feature-comment :p 15:24:26 <planetmaker> :D 15:24:58 *** yorick [~Yorick@82-171-205-190.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 15:25:25 <TrueBrain> hi yorick :) 15:25:32 <TrueBrain> (is that mean?) 15:25:44 <planetmaker> I think it can be savely assumed that people from #openttdcoop understand the basics of pre-signals - and abuse that more than some people like on this channel :P 15:25:45 <yorick> hello TrueBrain :) 15:26:16 <Eddi|zuHause> is it me or did the hostmask change? 15:26:27 <TrueBrain> since when do you use telfort? :p 15:26:31 <glx> peter1138: http://glx.dnsalias.net:8080/openttd/hg_log_fix.diff 15:26:40 <Bjarni> Eddi|zuHause: why was it that I should kick yorick? 15:26:45 <Belugas> Eddi|zuHause, it's easy to judge, based on the history of the said user ;) 15:26:47 *** mode/#openttd [+q *!*Yorick@*] by peter1138 15:27:22 *** Zephyris_ [~Zephyris@user-5af25f3c.tcl121.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 15:28:18 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g226153228.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 15:32:32 *** Zephyris [~Zephyris@user-5af25f3c.tcl121.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:32:34 *** Zephyris_ is now known as Zephyris 15:49:16 <peter1138> $ uname -a 15:49:16 <peter1138> CNU-OS 8.2(2ES1.) 3.3(0.2) CP-7971G-GE BCM1100-C1(MIPS32) 15:49:17 <peter1138> Hmm :) 15:49:25 <hylje> hm 15:49:47 <peter1138> glx, fair enough... Any way to handle hg branch not working? :) 15:50:11 <Rubidium> updating hg? 15:52:12 <glx> what's wrong with hg branch ? 15:53:21 <peter1138> $ hg branch 15:53:21 <peter1138> hg: unknown command 'branch' 15:53:21 <peter1138> Mercurial Distributed SCM 15:53:21 <peter1138> basic commands (use "hg help" for the full list or option "-v" for details): 15:53:36 <glx> works for me 15:53:44 <hylje> hg has the bad habit of adding functionality each release 15:53:56 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-3-70-101.manc.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 15:53:58 <FauxFaux> "The method setMigrationObjects(ArrayList<IMigration>) in the type AbstractMigrationObject is not applicable for the arguments (ArrayList<SomeMigrationImplementation>)" BAD ECLIPSE 15:54:09 <FauxFaux> Uh, wrong channel. 15:54:15 <hylje> too java 15:54:28 * FauxFaux even thinks "wow, I didn't know Brianetta, that OpenTTD guy, used Eclipse". 15:55:45 <hylje> the more you know 15:57:39 <peter1138> I use Eclipse. 16:01:54 *** ben_goodger__ [~ben@host81-152-232-177.range81-152.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:02:01 *** Volley [~worf@84-119-46-6.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:02:53 *** ben_goodger__ [~ben@host81-152-232-177.range81-152.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 16:06:13 <TrueBrain> bah, the latest House MD sucks ... 16:06:46 <glx> peter1138: commit done 16:10:39 <Belugas> lat one in french didn't, TrueBrain :) was very good in a matter of fact 16:11:14 *** Tim [~Tim@p5B37FDE0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:11:41 <TrueBrain> Belugas: well, season 4 ended with a big BOOM! 16:11:47 <TrueBrain> so you expect season 5 to start really cool 16:11:55 <TrueBrain> instead ... it was just an other episode :( 16:12:03 <TrueBrain> nothing ... worth talking about happened 16:14:57 * Belugas does not know what season number he's watching 16:15:28 *** European [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 16:15:57 <Eddi|zuHause> i did not watch any house yet... 16:20:45 <Belugas> ho boy... already that late 16:22:39 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:24:10 *** European [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0.1/2008070208]] 16:26:35 *** [Nemesis] [~Ping@78-69-54-150-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 16:27:14 *** Zeal [~Ping@78-69-54-150-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:28:21 *** yorick [~Yorick@82-171-205-190.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Quit: Poef!] 16:29:15 <peter1138> Hah 16:29:35 *** mode/#openttd [-q *!*Yorick@*] by peter1138 16:29:41 *** mode/#openttd [-q *!*Yorick@*.adsl.wanadoo.nl] by peter1138 16:29:41 <Belugas> ho... it's alive :) 16:30:10 <Eddi|zuHause> wth? "peter1138 nimmt *!*Yorick@* Operator-Status."??? 16:31:01 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: we talked about that ... 16:31:03 <TrueBrain> not so long ago 16:31:28 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, but "owner"=="Besitzer", not "Operator"... 16:31:42 <TrueBrain> I think that part is not translated 16:32:17 <Eddi|zuHause> "*** peter1138 gibt *!*Yorick@* Besitzerstatus." <- that was the other message 16:32:37 <Belugas> pfff 16:32:39 <Belugas> lunch time 16:32:41 *** Pikka [~user@58.173.248.50] has joined #openttd 16:32:42 * Belugas is tired 16:32:45 <TrueBrain> enjoy Belugas 16:32:46 <Belugas> already 16:32:51 <Belugas> thanks :) 16:33:15 * peter1138 is about to go home. 16:33:15 <Sacro> Belugas: bon apptit! 16:33:19 <Sacro> *appetit 16:33:24 * Sacro really should get dressed 16:33:26 * Eddi|zuHause is about to go insane 16:33:36 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause: s/go/go \ more/ 16:34:43 <peter1138> Eddi|zuHause, get a better client :p 16:36:47 <Eddi|zuHause> well, the wrong "give" message is at least understandable, but the "takes" message is just plain wrong... 16:37:45 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@147.251.215.232] has joined #openttd 16:38:01 * Belugas reads a book on Guit Chords Chemistry 16:39:00 * Pikka is about to go to sleep 16:39:24 <Pikka> I turned this on to write a journal entry, but then decided not to... 16:41:34 *** nick [~nickds@cpc2-nthc5-0-0-cust388.nrth.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 16:41:38 <nick> hello 16:41:43 <nick> can someone assist me with patching :) 16:42:03 <nick> i would like to patch the stable release 0.6.2 with a patch from a different revision, is this possible? 16:42:15 <Rubidium> usually not 16:42:35 <Rubidium> unless you know quite a bit about programming and want to spend time 16:42:58 <nick> well quite simply put i would like to share infrastures on 0.6.2 on a dedicated server, is there a quick way to this ? 16:43:32 <nick> i tested the revision the patch was written on and 0.6.2 client gives a mismatch version error 16:45:04 *** Pikka [~user@58.173.248.50] has left #openttd [] 16:47:13 <Rubidium> both the client and server need to be running exactly the same version 16:47:22 <Rubidium> otherwise you'll desync in no time 16:48:26 <nick> i have seen servers online running version 0.6.2 that have shared airports etc. do you know how this is done ? 16:49:19 <Rubidium> no 16:52:15 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1E3F8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:57:46 <glx> they can't be 0.6.2 17:02:13 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@user-54470bf2.wfd82a.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:07:17 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A43482.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:07:48 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@user-54470bf2.wfd82a.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 17:09:58 *** Yeggstry [~mind@cpc1-rdng14-0-0-cust946.winn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:10:01 *** Yeggs-work [~mind@cpc1-rdng14-0-0-cust946.winn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:10:22 *** Yeggstry [~mind@cpc1-rdng14-0-0-cust946.winn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 17:15:18 <Belugas> burps 17:18:10 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1E3F8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:20:27 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@147.251.215.232] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:23:49 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@sato.sks1.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 17:26:34 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 17:33:13 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:34:55 *** nick [~nickds@cpc2-nthc5-0-0-cust388.nrth.cable.ntl.com] has quit [] 17:53:06 <TrueBrain> Belugas: ieuw 17:53:44 *** welshdragon [~vista@host86-145-214-136.range86-145.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:59:29 *** De_Ghosty [~s@206-248-181-182.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:02:28 *** De_Ghosty [~s@76-10-140-251.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #openttd 18:02:40 *** welshdragon [~vista@host86-145-214-136.range86-145.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 18:09:46 *** welshdragon [~vista@host86-145-214-136.range86-145.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:12:44 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A43482.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 18:12:58 *** ben_goodger__ [~ben@host81-152-232-177.range81-152.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:16:58 *** [Nemesis] [~Ping@78-69-54-150-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:17:16 *** Zealotus [~Ping@78-69-54-150-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 18:17:46 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@sato.sks1.muni.cz] has quit [Quit: Quit] 18:22:13 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@sato.sks1.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 18:22:45 *** Aylomen [~a@DSL01.83.171.155.39.ip-pool.NEFkom.net] has quit [] 18:24:21 *** Aylomen [~a@DSL01.83.171.155.39.ip-pool.NEFkom.net] has joined #openttd 18:29:59 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fd9d5.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 18:32:33 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:34:25 *** ben_goodger__ [~ben@host81-152-232-177.range81-152.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 18:36:36 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:41:17 *** Volley [~worf@84-119-46-6.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #openttd 18:43:04 *** thingwath [~thingwath@morana.sks2.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 18:45:46 *** Zephyris_ [~Zephyris@user-5af25f3c.tcl121.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:49:00 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 18:49:32 *** Zephyris [~Zephyris@user-5af25f3c.tcl121.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:49:44 *** Zephyris_ is now known as Zephyris 18:49:49 <yorick> <+glx> they can't be 0.6.2 <-- it is :-p 18:50:47 *** `Fuco`AFK [~dota.keys@147.251.215.232] has joined #openttd 18:51:33 *** ben_goodger__ [~ben@host81-152-232-177.range81-152.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:52:28 *** Tim [~Tim@p5B37FDE0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com] 18:52:32 <TrueBrain> lol, is it me, or does myottd.net only run pre 0.6.2 servers? :) 18:52:50 <yorick> is isn't you, spcomb never bothered updating 18:53:59 *** welshdragon [~vista@host86-145-214-136.range86-145.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 18:55:26 <yorick> everyone can use airports with OWNER_NONE <-- that is NOT, and I repeat, that is NOT a bug report, rather a 'feature abuse' 18:56:06 <welshdragon> yorick, interesting :p 18:56:36 <yorick> just they deadlocked in 0.6.2, but that was solved some time ago 18:56:39 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@sato.sks1.muni.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:57:06 <TrueBrain> just being able to biuld such station, is a bug .. ;) 18:57:09 *** genclay [~mind@cpc1-rdng14-0-0-cust946.winn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 18:57:22 <welshdragon> i'd like to see shared stations 18:57:37 <yorick> TrueBrain: you can't, so it isn't a bug 18:58:09 <welshdragon> it would save space, and you could set something that pays for access charges 18:59:29 <SpComb> TrueBrain: it's mostly a question of me waiting until I can shut it down 18:59:41 *** Yeggstry [~mind@cpc1-rdng14-0-0-cust946.winn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:00:02 <Eddi|zuHause> the only way to do that that i can imagine is hacking a savegame 19:00:13 <peter1138> Bankruptcy springs to mind. 19:00:25 <Eddi|zuHause> or the scenario editor 19:00:37 <yorick> Eddi: the scenario editor turned out the way to go :) 19:00:49 <welshdragon> peter1138, i'm used to bankruptcy :P 19:01:49 <TrueBrain> SpComb: why shut down? 19:02:51 <SpComb> TrueBrain: because I realized that I simply don't have the time that's required to develop and maintain such a service 19:03:46 <TrueBrain> too bad 19:03:46 <SpComb> I had a bunch of interesting ideas for how it would work, but implementing them would take years, based on the current rate of work 19:03:50 <TrueBrain> how hard can it be to write 'tar' ... 19:04:08 <SpComb> you mean to update it to have 0.6.2? 19:04:14 <TrueBrain> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=39648&p=729821#p729821 <- being 100% sarcastic for the first time in my life on the forums .. I feel like DaleStan ;) 19:04:27 <SpComb> ah 19:04:28 <TrueBrain> SpComb: I ment to update it to have 0.6.2 ;) 19:04:28 <SpComb> jar :) 19:04:50 <TrueBrain> but no, that 'tar' comment was not for you :p 19:04:57 <TrueBrain> (hehe, confusing, IRC ;) 19:05:04 <yorick> jarr! 19:05:13 <SpComb> the changes in the openttd.cfg stuff probably broke some of the MyOTTD stuff 19:05:20 <TrueBrain> SpComb: :( 19:05:28 <SpComb> which was the be expected 19:05:29 <TrueBrain> and it is always a shame that such projects consume such an amount of time 19:05:42 <TrueBrain> if only I have ALL the free time of the world, I knew 100 sub-projects in webpages dedicated to OpenTTD :p 19:06:17 <Eddi|zuHause> aren't jar files like zip files in disguise? 19:06:34 <yorick> Eddi: I always thought they were 19:06:43 <SpComb> perhaps some day I'll get the motiviation to spend a week or two working on the code and get something that works, but it's not really something I've planned 19:06:57 <yorick> but it turns out they often don't have compression 19:07:00 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: like 'wad' are 'tar' files in disuise 19:07:12 <TrueBrain> SpComb: oh well .. too bad :( 19:07:28 <yorick> and 'tar' are 'tar' files without disguise 19:07:47 <SpComb> until then, I'd be interested in knowing what year the bugmenot MyOTTD server is in :) 19:07:57 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:08:00 <TrueBrain> http://devs.openttd.org/~truebrain/OTTD-OSX-custom-r14356.zip <- up for testing, PPC, Intel, libz, libpng, it should work COMPLETELY 19:08:05 <peter1138> wad files are different depending on what it was for... 19:08:11 <peter1138> They're certainly not all tar files... 19:08:26 <TrueBrain> peter1138: agree'd :) 19:08:35 <TrueBrain> well, they never were tar-files at all, just the same basic idea ;) 19:08:39 <TrueBrain> same goed for 'zip' and 'jar' ;) 19:08:43 <TrueBrain> goed = goes 19:08:47 *** welshdragon [~vista@host86-145-214-136.range86-145.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:08:48 <TrueBrain> that was the point I was trying to make :p 19:09:01 <peter1138> Nnnot really., 19:09:02 *** welshdragon [~vista@host86-145-214-136.range86-145.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 19:09:04 *** KUDr [KUDr@mazanec1.netbox.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:10:01 <TrueBrain> peter1138: what part? :) 19:22:06 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@g230224147.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 19:28:41 *** welshdragon [~vista@host86-145-214-136.range86-145.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:29:12 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g226153228.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:29:12 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 19:30:46 <Eddi|zuHause> http://onipepper.de/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/title2.jpg <- omg! 19:33:20 <Bjarni> I kind of suspected foreign breweries used secret ingredients but I didn't expect this 19:33:28 <Bjarni> I mean they usually try to hide it 19:35:29 <peter1138> Piss water? 19:36:32 <yorick> yes, pisswater 19:37:37 <yorick> I think that was supposed to be a combination of ls, but some logo designer turned it into a à :p 19:38:41 <Prof_Frink> Pissi Bir! 19:45:42 <planetmaker> TrueBrain: your OS-X binary works flawlessly on intel OS-X 10.4 19:45:47 <Bjarni> the newspaper once wrote about a maid in Indonesia (or somewhere around that area) that got really upset with her boss so she peed in his drink. He suspected something was wrong when she served it and he made her drink it 19:45:53 <TrueBrain> yippie 19:45:55 <Bjarni> after that the police showed up and arrested her 19:46:03 <TrueBrain> I am now trying to input the data into the compile-farm ... 19:46:13 <TrueBrain> but it takes for ever to make a safety copy of a 3 GiB image .. :p 19:46:13 <Bjarni> go figure 19:46:14 <TrueBrain> (lol) 19:46:47 <Bjarni> note to readers: read every 2nd line for better understanding 19:47:12 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-177-146.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 19:47:29 <peter1138> Yeah, TrueBrain makes much more sense. 19:47:30 *** welshdragon [~vista@host86-145-214-136.range86-145.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 19:47:37 <peter1138> TrueBrain :D 19:47:45 <peter1138> 114GB! 19:48:02 <Rubidium> oh, you're counting in HDD GBs 19:48:07 <Rubidium> not in real ones 19:48:17 <peter1138> Yes, I forgot :( 19:48:41 <TrueBrain> 'HDD GBs'.. a new SI unit? :p 19:48:52 <peter1138> TrueBrain, not new :( 19:49:12 <Bjarni> 1 HHD GB = 1000 HHD MB 19:49:17 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 19:49:18 <TrueBrain> HDDs use GB, we use GiB 19:49:21 <Bjarni> that one, right? 19:49:21 <TrueBrain> I don't see the problem there :) 19:50:48 <TrueBrain> silly udev, detecting a new card every time .. eth9 ... lol :p 19:51:31 <peter1138> Heh 19:51:40 <peter1138> That's not udev. 19:51:51 <TrueBrain> peter1138: every time it sees a new MAC 19:52:00 <TrueBrain> so it adds an other line in the udev rules, with a new 'eth' assigned 19:52:04 <peter1138> It's a shell script that does that. 19:52:11 <peter1138> udev doesn't particularly care... 19:52:12 <TrueBrain> very annoying, hitting the 'reset MAC address' button in your VM :p 19:52:17 * yorick thanks TrueLight for the nice resize description comment :) 19:52:31 <TrueBrain> of course it are the script ...... 19:52:43 <TrueBrain> but those that come with a default udev install 19:52:47 <peter1138> So it's easy to fix the script. 19:52:48 <peter1138> True. 19:53:00 <TrueBrain> yeah, /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.conf 19:53:03 <TrueBrain> still, annoying :) 19:53:14 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 19:53:19 * TrueBrain has no idea what yorick is talking about .. nothing new there 19:53:39 * peter1138 has no idea why he removed those channel modes. 19:53:39 <yorick> I said TrueLight :-P, the comment in window_gui.h 19:53:55 <TrueBrain> peter1138: I think it is time to put it back 19:54:05 <peter1138> I think so. 19:54:07 <TrueBrain> :p 19:54:09 <TrueBrain> poor yorick :) 19:54:20 <Bjarni> somebody stole his wallet? 19:54:31 <Bjarni> or did he donate all his money to us? 19:55:16 <Bjarni> I mean... you claim him to be poor 19:56:31 <TrueBrain> problem with testing this OSX ... 19:56:37 <TrueBrain> it takes 25 (!) minutes on my own machine to do a full compile 19:56:51 <TrueBrain> so I have to wait at least 30 minutes, before I know I forgot 'shutdown -h now' in the script :p 19:56:58 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-3-70-101.manc.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 19:57:59 <Bjarni> nice 19:58:19 <Bjarni> so basically you are wasting CPU power 19:58:42 <TrueBrain> euh, we are compiling OpenTTD every night 19:58:47 <TrueBrain> if you want to talk about CPU wasting ... 19:58:54 <Bjarni> hehe 19:59:02 <Bjarni> at least people download those builds 19:59:03 <peter1138> We could just not compile OS X builds... 19:59:15 <Bjarni> we could shut down all computers in the world 19:59:26 <TrueBrain> I Agree with peter1138 :) 19:59:44 <Bjarni> that would reduce the CO2 emissions by 2% 20:00:51 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: goodnight oftc] 20:08:24 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0.1/2008070208]] 20:09:47 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.203] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:10:21 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.203] has joined #openttd 20:11:55 * Belugas 's brain is melting... writing a ip client connection to a payment processing client that will talk to a payment processing server and hoping to get no time-out on the way... 20:12:52 <peter1138> Hee 20:16:55 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 20:24:30 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 20:27:13 *** Tim [~Tim@p5B37C645.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:28:50 <Belugas> mmh... the only filter that i can remember is the one of stations 20:28:59 <Belugas> and... frankly, it suck 20:29:12 <peter1138> There's another filter. 20:29:23 <Belugas> the one in small map? 20:29:27 <peter1138> Industries on the minimap :D 20:29:37 <Belugas> yeah :) 20:29:43 <yorick> meh, I'm trying to patch that to the industry list 20:30:11 <Belugas> somehow, i don't think a transposition would be good 20:30:20 <peter1138> Nope. 20:30:37 * Belugas rather see some kind of drop down menu 20:30:54 * Belugas remembers a patchhe made which introduced the checkbox widget 20:31:18 *** Chrill [~chrischri@c80-216-96-107.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 20:31:40 * Belugas realizes there is still half an hour left to his slaverish part of teh day 20:31:56 <peter1138> :( 20:32:06 * peter1138 is considering going to bed, now that the CD has finished. 20:32:26 <TrueBrain> [2008-09-17 20:30:30] Job 0000176 finished in 1326 seconds 20:32:31 <TrueBrain> OSX (3 binaries in one) 20:32:39 <peter1138> 114.8GB! 20:32:39 <TrueBrain> always been an insane slow target :p 20:32:50 <peter1138> :o 20:32:54 <Prof_Frink> 1.21JW! 20:33:01 <peter1138> 22 minutes? How...? 20:33:18 <TrueBrain> peter1138: OSX is that slow 20:33:20 <TrueBrain> always been 20:33:26 <peter1138> Ouch. 20:33:28 <TrueBrain> it used to take 6 minutes on 4 cores 20:33:32 <TrueBrain> now 22 minutes on 1 core 20:33:58 <TrueBrain> worst part: compile failed :( 20:34:09 <peter1138> Why is it so slow? A load of extra complex headers or something? 20:34:15 <TrueBrain> ask OSX 20:34:20 <TrueBrain> I never knew it any different way 20:34:27 <Prof_Frink> < OSX> Because I fail. 20:34:34 <TrueBrain> well, there you have it 20:34:52 <peter1138> Conclusive. 20:38:10 <peter1138> 114.9GB! 20:38:13 <peter1138> Hah 20:38:17 <peter1138> Well, I'm going to bed. 20:38:45 <TrueBrain> night peter1138 20:39:29 <TrueBrain> okay, changed things in OSX .. retrying 20:40:59 <Belugas> night Mister Nelson 20:50:48 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 20:51:47 *** Aylomen [~a@DSL01.83.171.155.39.ip-pool.NEFkom.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:52:11 *** CIA-1 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has joined #openttd 20:54:04 <Belugas> CIA-1 joins and I leave for the rest of the day 20:54:10 <Belugas> beuh bye 20:54:13 <yorick> how does the smallmap industry selector copy with at max 64 industries? 20:54:49 <yorick> cope* 20:56:45 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: frosch * r14335 /trunk/src/ (ai/default/default.cpp ai/trolly/build.cpp town_cmd.cpp): -Codechange: Remove some magic numbers. 20:57:34 <frosch123> news flash 20:58:57 <Prof_Frink> Eek! Multicoloured commitnotice! 20:59:12 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@user-54470bf2.wfd82a.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:59:38 <TrueBrain> tick tack, goes my clock 20:59:53 <frosch123> I like "frosch" being greenish :) 20:59:54 <TrueBrain> 25 minutes is a long time if you are waiting for it .. 21:00:06 <yorick> tick tock, goes my clock 21:00:19 <yorick> learn to rhyme! :-) 21:01:18 <TrueBrain> 'college' or 'Forgetting Sarah Marshall' ... 21:02:04 <TrueBrain> oeh, it finished ... 21:02:13 <TrueBrain> doesn't show 'failure' ion log .. 21:02:20 <TrueBrain> oh boy ... I don't dare to look .. 21:02:28 <TrueBrain> IEK! 21:02:34 <TrueBrain> it .. worked ... 21:03:09 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-75-74-51-51.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 21:03:18 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r14340 /trunk/src/openttd.cpp: -Fix (r11822): signs from old savegames were lost (causing little memory leaks) 21:03:46 <Bjarni> looks like CIA is lagging 21:04:04 <frosch123> yes, about 48 hours 21:04:17 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-3-70-101.manc.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 21:04:18 <murray> colors now? :D 21:04:24 *** KUDr [KUDr@mazanec1.netbox.cz] has joined #openttd 21:04:43 <TrueBrain> http://binaries.openttd.org/nightlies/trunk/r14356/openttd-trunk-r14356-macosx-universal.zip 21:04:45 <TrueBrain> :) :) :) :) 21:04:47 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-3-70-101.manc.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 21:04:47 * TrueBrain makes a dance! 21:04:49 <TrueBrain> Bjarni: go test it 21:04:53 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: if youahve the time, please test it 21:04:58 <TrueBrain> (should work, but I want to be 100% sure :p) 21:05:05 <TrueBrain> happy happy joy joy happy happy joy joy 21:05:14 <yorick> ... 21:05:26 <yorick> happy happy joy joy happy happy joy joy 21:05:47 <yorick> happy happy happy happy joy joy happy happy hoy hoy hoy hoy happy happy joy! 21:06:02 <Bjarni> works 21:06:20 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: frosch * r14333 /trunk/docs/ (landscape.html landscape_grid.html): -Documentation: Update docs/landscape*. Based on patch by yorick. 21:06:20 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r14334 /trunk/src/ (17 files in 2 dirs): -Feature: ability to reset name to default/automatic value (for vehicles, engines, towns, groups, stations, waypoints, managers and companies) 21:06:24 *** yorick was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [happy happy joy joy?] 21:06:24 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 21:06:30 <teggigi> is it possible to save junctions / stations like in rct? :o 21:06:35 <yorick> yes, happy happy joy joy! 21:06:35 <TrueBrain> Bjarni: tnx! 21:07:00 <Bjarni> teggigi: no 21:07:04 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: Happy happy joy joy Poef!] 21:07:12 <TrueBrain> I now expect some heavy personal donations 21:07:16 <teggigi> is it even possible to create one? :p 21:07:20 *** Sacro_ [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 21:07:27 <TrueBrain> lobster: happy? :) 21:07:54 <Bjarni> teggigi: since we have the source code we can do everything 21:08:00 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:08:09 <Bjarni> the question is how much work it will be and if it's worth the needed time 21:08:15 <Bjarni> and if we want the result 21:08:27 <teggigi> well i'm definitely throwing the suggestion in the box :p 21:08:46 <Bjarni> you aren't the first one to do so 21:08:52 <teggigi> i assumed as much :) 21:08:54 <frosch123> there is a copy and paste patch on the forums 21:08:56 <lobster> oh TrueBrain, awesome 21:09:02 <lobster> how did you do that? 21:09:12 <TrueBrain> I am known to have magic hands ;) 21:09:26 <TrueBrain> but we are using cross-compiler again 21:09:27 <Bjarni> <lobster> how did you do that? <-- he couldn't have done it without me 21:09:28 <TrueBrain> sadly enough 21:09:32 <TrueBrain> so no .dmg support yet 21:09:39 <TrueBrain> but ... at least working binaries, also for 10.5 Intel :) 21:09:39 <lobster> ah, no problem 21:09:45 <TrueBrain> Bjarni: LOL! PUKE PUKE 21:09:46 <lobster> zips are fine too :) 21:09:49 <TrueBrain> you just provided the SDK 21:09:53 * lobster goes to install it rightaway 21:09:59 <TrueBrain> which I had to wait for (for 4 hours :() 21:10:06 <TrueBrain> you couldn't even give me a shell access :( 21:10:40 <teggigi> my friend wants to know what you use to code this stuff 21:10:41 <teggigi> :o 21:11:04 <Bjarni> computers 21:11:11 <teggigi> thanks, i'll totally tell him that 21:11:15 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r14336 /trunk/src/openttd.cpp: -Fix (r14334): when there was a station with custom name in an old savegame, it's default name was empty 21:11:26 <teggigi> ;) 21:11:34 <TrueBrain> teggigi: refering to what? 21:11:48 <teggigi> TrueBrain i have no idea, i'm guessing code 21:11:49 * Prof_Frink slaps SmatZ 21:11:53 <TrueBrain> lobster: you do understand I now expect a donation from you? :) 21:11:57 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r14337 /trunk/src/ (9 files): -Codechange: use CmdRename* and CMD_RENAME_* for vehicle, president and company renaming commands, too 21:11:58 <teggigi> i have no clue about this at all so i won't assume too much :p 21:12:01 <Prof_Frink> "it is default name was empty"? 21:12:03 *** Sacro_ is now known as Sacro 21:12:13 <lobster> works like a charm, TrueBrain 21:12:15 <TrueBrain> teggigi: then I can't help you answer your question, if you don't know the question :) 21:12:29 <lobster> and well, at the next donation round i'll be sure do drop in a good few bucks 21:12:47 <TrueBrain> oh happy days! 21:12:57 <TrueBrain> Donations are always open ;) :p 21:12:58 <TrueBrain> hehe :) 21:13:13 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: glx * r14338 /branches/noai/ (112 files in 11 dirs): [NoAI] -Sync: with trunk r14280:14337 21:13:13 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r14339 /trunk/src/openttd.cpp: -Fix (r13731): crash when loading the intro game failed 21:13:21 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fd9d5.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:13:29 <teggigi> he apparently meant what language 21:13:32 <teggigi> and so did i, i just did a lol 21:14:26 <Bjarni> oh then you should have asked for which language we use 21:15:14 <teggigi> yeah 21:15:15 <teggigi> :p 21:15:27 <Bjarni> we use English most of the time 21:15:33 *** penfold [~p@cpc1-hem18-0-0-cust608.lutn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:15:36 <teggigi> you so fanny 21:15:37 <teggigi> (y) 21:15:48 *** penfold [~p@cpc1-hem18-0-0-cust608.lutn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 21:15:59 <Bjarni> how about checking the source? 21:16:05 <Bjarni> or the homepage 21:16:25 <teggigi> i am, just brainlagging a bit while trying to piece this junction together :p 21:16:40 <murray> shit, i see i'm a bit late, but i have to say - the new website is smooooth, congrats ! 21:16:59 <Sacro> BJARNI! 21:17:18 <Bjarni> http://sourceforge.net/projects/openttd <-- this is always a good place to start when trying to figure out which programming language a project is using 21:17:21 <Prof_Frink> KCOM.COM! 21:17:39 <TrueBrain> teggigi: ignore Bjarni; OpenTTD is written in C++ in its current stage 21:17:58 <Sacro> TrueBrain: porting to perl you say? 21:18:04 <teggigi> ah okay, thanks :p 21:18:26 <Bjarni> hmm 21:18:35 <teggigi> i was looking at the wrong page then 21:18:35 <Prof_Frink> Sacro: No, fuckfuck. 21:18:35 <teggigi> :( 21:18:41 <Sacro> ooh 21:18:42 <Bjarni> why is the SF page claiming the project to be part C and part C++? 21:18:44 <Sacro> first contact 21:18:45 <Sacro> in 1080p 21:18:48 * Sacro moves 21:18:58 <Bjarni> away from us 21:19:20 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 21:20:02 *** Tim [~Tim@p5B37C645.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:20:46 <Rubidium> Bjarni: because we have .c files? 21:20:57 <Chrill> Brianetta: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=60&t=36465 21:21:40 <Bjarni> Rubidium: we changed them to .cpp 21:22:31 *** Tim [~Tim@p5B37C645.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:22:35 <lobster> TrueBrain: oh joy 21:22:49 <lobster> it also doesn't slow down as soon as i reach a city :D 21:22:59 * lobster is floating in OTTD goodness 21:23:05 <TrueBrain> :) Good! 21:23:07 <TrueBrain> made one user happy again :p 21:23:22 <Bjarni> 87264 more to go 21:23:22 <Rubidium> Bjarni: really? ah well, guess that find is broken as `find trunk -iname "*.c"` gives me results 21:24:18 <Bjarni> hmm 21:24:19 <Prof_Frink> alan@frinkpad:~/src/openttd/trunk/src$ ls *.c 21:24:20 <Prof_Frink> ls: cannot access *.c: No such file or directory 21:24:38 <Bjarni> os2 uses some c files 21:25:00 <Bjarni> but if we classify the game as part C on that page, then why not mention objective C? 21:25:13 <Bjarni> I mean I think we have more objective C than C 21:26:48 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe it still counts the .c files in various branches? 21:27:15 <Eddi|zuHause> or it counts the lines that have not changed between the renaming to .cpp and now? 21:27:44 <Bjarni> I think a somebody manually selected what flags to display on that page 21:28:21 <Eddi|zuHause> then change it? ;) 21:29:58 <Bjarni> I can't 21:30:01 <Bjarni> :( 21:30:16 <Bjarni> for some reason nobody will give me the root password to the internet 21:31:54 <Bjarni> I read on a mac news site the other day 21:32:19 <Bjarni> there was a news item about Transport Tycoon was ported to OSX 21:32:35 <Bjarni> it only took them 4 years to figure that out 21:33:05 <Bjarni> people commented that it wasn't really news but it was still a good game and worth checking out 21:33:55 <Chrill> Is there a way to get a scneario landscape, but automatically removin all industries and cities? 21:33:59 <Bjarni> but I like that a news site showed 4 years old news as recent news :p 21:37:46 <Brianetta> welshdragon: You went bankrupt. 21:37:53 <Brianetta> It's safe to return. 21:39:31 <Brianetta> "Your 'OPENTTDW.GRF' file is corrupted or missing! The file was part of your installation." 21:39:31 <Brianetta> Does this matter? I sem to be in the game... 21:39:40 <welshdragon> Brianetta, i know 21:40:24 <TrueBrain> Brianetta: expect graphical issues :p 21:41:04 <Ammler> maybe someone updated the grf but forgot the obg... 21:41:09 <TrueBrain> joy joy happy happy 21:41:15 <TrueBrain> OS X works, OS X works 21:41:16 <TrueBrain> lalala 21:41:26 <Ammler> you are genious :P 21:41:38 <TrueBrain> I know :) 21:41:43 <TrueBrain> (haha :p Puke puke) 21:41:49 <Ammler> :-D 21:41:56 <murray> :) 21:44:39 <TrueBrain> happy happy 21:45:29 <Ammler> from tomorrow on, we have again OSX nightliy? 21:45:38 <TrueBrain> check the website you twat :p 21:47:46 <TrueBrain> Ammler: in other words, the OSX binaries are already available 21:48:18 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r14341 /extra/pngcodec/ (7 files): [pngcodec] -Change: make the makefiles/scripts compatible with the compile farm. 21:48:27 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truebrain * r14342 /extra/pngcodec/ (Makefile Makefile.msvc crc32.hpp minipng.hpp): [pngcodec] -Fix: you can silent the compile too much ;) ('make' didn't show a thing, given a false idea of nothing doing anything) 21:49:51 <TrueBrain> even for NoAI :) 21:49:52 <TrueBrain> joy joy 21:50:19 <Ammler> ah 21:50:33 <Ammler> we do not use tonights nightly :-) 21:50:44 <TrueBrain> start using them :p 21:51:02 <TrueBrain> I am not going to compile any older ones :p 21:51:07 <Ammler> :P 21:51:11 <TrueBrain> (22 minutes per compile .. no tnx :p) 21:51:45 <Ammler> is that because they are universal? 21:51:48 <Ammler> 3 in one 21:51:50 <TrueBrain> and because it is OSX 21:51:54 <TrueBrain> 7 minutes for one .. 21:51:58 <TrueBrain> even MSVC is quicker :p 21:52:00 <TrueBrain> well .. almost :p 21:52:36 <TrueBrain> @calc 463 / 60 21:52:36 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: 7.71666666667 21:52:40 <TrueBrain> MSVC is slower :p 21:52:40 <TrueBrain> haha 21:52:42 <TrueBrain> insane ... 21:52:52 <TrueBrain> so yes, 3 in one is the only reason :p 21:53:02 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g230224147.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: (~_~]"] 21:53:32 *** Phoenix_the_II [rdeboom@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:54:23 <Ammler> the problem of those univeral builds is, that you can't share OSX over TT-Forums. 21:54:33 *** rortom [~rortom@p57B7D22F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:54:48 <TrueBrain> how do you mean? 21:55:45 <Ammler> max of attachments is 3MB 21:55:49 <TrueBrain> haha 21:55:50 <TrueBrain> 8 MiB 21:55:52 <TrueBrain> not fitting :p 21:56:03 <Ammler> usual bundles are 2.7 21:56:19 <TrueBrain> non-universal, yes 21:56:56 <TrueBrain> nightlies are hitting 2.9, almost 3.0 21:58:25 <Ammler> well, orudge could also rise the limit 21:58:37 <Ammler> and make the limit per user 21:58:54 <TrueBrain> I don't need tt-forums to upload files :p 21:59:37 <XeryusTC> Ammler: split archives 22:00:04 <Ammler> TrueBrain: think for the community :P 22:01:19 <Ammler> well, it is not really bad, just a disadvantage of the universal build we had to fight with. 22:01:23 *** Phoenix_the_II [rdeboom@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 22:01:33 *** genclay is now known as Yeggstry 22:03:49 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:04:24 *** Tim [~Tim@p5B37C645.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:06:02 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r14343 /trunk/src/ (aircraft.h aircraft_cmd.cpp vehicle.cpp): -Fix [FS#2300]: invalid v->u.air.targetairport could cause crashes at several places when the station pool got smaller 22:07:25 <Progman> these bug report fixes always sound funny and in some kind weird ;) 22:07:45 *** Osai is now known as Osai^zZz 22:10:25 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5D956.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 22:11:29 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r14344 /trunk/src/station.cpp: -Fix: when a new airport is built in the same tick as the old station is deleted, aircraft may go crazy (and crash the game) 22:12:16 <Progman> like this one 22:13:48 <Brianetta> !seen aylomen 22:18:12 <TrueBrain> @seen aylomen 22:18:12 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: aylomen was last seen in #openttd 6 days, 6 hours, 47 minutes, and 4 seconds ago: <Aylomen> www.openttdcoop.org 22:21:35 *** nicoRW [nico@f048240210.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 22:25:00 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a46ad5.virnxx14.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:35:18 <TrueBrain> orudge: you ever played in a movie? 22:35:32 <TrueBrain> I am watching one, and you really look like one of those persons :p 22:35:39 <TrueBrain> (compared to the TT Meet vide, that is) 22:38:57 *** reldred|gone is now known as reldred 22:42:03 *** Yeggstry is now known as Yeggzzz 22:44:18 *** rortom [~rortom@p57B7D22F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:47:39 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:58:16 *** elmex [~elmex@e180067197.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:09:14 <Nite_Owl> Need to feed - L8r all 23:09:20 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-75-74-51-51.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon] 23:13:12 *** mucht_home [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has joined #openttd 23:13:34 *** reldred is now known as reldred|gone 23:14:20 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:14:34 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r14345 /trunk/src/ (signs.cpp signs_func.h signs_gui.cpp): 23:14:34 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Fix: delete the RenameSignWindow when 'its' sign is deleted 23:14:34 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: Also, it makes sure the RenameSignWindow isn't open when there are no signs (and crashes associted with that) 23:15:11 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r14346 /trunk/src/signs_gui.cpp: -Codechange [FS#2184]: reduce code duplication when jumping to next/previous sign in signs_gui.cpp (Roujin) 23:17:27 *** Volley [~worf@84-119-46-6.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:17:31 *** Volley [~worf@84-119-46-6.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #openttd 23:18:15 *** nekx [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.21 :: www.esnation.com )] 23:20:16 *** Volley [~worf@84-119-46-6.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:23:50 *** Zephyris [~Zephyris@user-5af25f3c.tcl121.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0.1/2008070208]] 23:24:59 <Eddi|zuHause> CIA-1 is still like a dozen revisions behind... 23:27:02 *** teggigi [~asd@ti0056a340-dhcp0311.bb.online.no] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:35:38 *** `Fuco`AFK [~dota.keys@147.251.215.232] has quit [Quit: Quit] 23:40:53 <glx> @op 23:40:54 *** mode/#openttd [+o glx] by DorpsGek 23:43:24 *** mode/#openttd [+c] by glx 23:46:21 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r14347 /branches/0.6/ (13 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) 23:46:21 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: [0.6] -Backport from trunk: 23:46:21 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Fix: Invalid v->u.air.targetairport could cause crashes at several places [FS#2300] (r14343, 14344) 23:46:21 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Fix: Signs from old savegames were lost (causing little memory leaks) (r14340) 23:46:23 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Fix: When a company was renamed and then manager was renamed before building anything, company name changed (r14328) 23:46:23 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Fix: When you rename a town before building something and build something near that town your company would be called "<old townname> Transport" [FS#2251] (r14327) 23:46:25 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Fix: Free any blocks that a helicopter may have on an oilrig when the helicopter gets forcefully removed (bankruptcy). For other airports this isn't needed as they can't be used by multiple companies [FS#2241] (r14324) 23:46:53 <glx> hmm mode c half failed 23:48:00 <glx> test 23:48:11 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r14348 /trunk/src/ (economy.cpp openttd.cpp): -Fix (r1667): signs were not updated on company bankrupcy/sell, they have colour of invalid player 23:48:36 <glx> @deop 23:48:38 *** mode/#openttd [-o glx] by DorpsGek 23:49:23 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truebrain * r14349 /branches/noai/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [NoAI] -Fix: AIEngineList showed all engines, instead the ones available to you 23:50:46 <Sacro> hmm 23:51:58 *** nicoRW [nico@f048240210.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:52:37 <Sacro> You can have 2 subsidiaries offered at once 23:52:40 <Sacro> one from A=>B 23:52:44 <Sacro> and another from B=>A 23:52:45 <Sacro> :D 23:54:22 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-111-36.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [Quit: Caught sigterm, terminating...] 23:55:35 <Sacro> this route will either pay 8x or 16x 23:58:20 *** Chrill [~chrischri@c80-216-96-107.bredband.comhem.se] has quit []