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doesn't mean Voyager is any good. :| 01:08:57 <Tefad> VOY? 01:09:35 <Tefad> i liked TNG the most, haven't gotten into DS9.. but VOY was okay-ish. 01:24:23 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 01:24:23 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:24:26 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 01:26:53 <ccfreak2k> A woman space captain. 01:26:58 <ccfreak2k> THAT'S futuristic. 01:29:18 *** reldred|gone is now known as reldred 01:31:38 *** Zorni [zorn@e177233230.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 01:38:41 *** Zorn [zorn@e177233230.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:40:32 *** Pikka [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:44:07 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@user-54470bf2.wfd82a.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:46:10 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 01:46:10 *** [com]buster 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06:47:56 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 06:56:24 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77292.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:32:51 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 07:34:44 <guru3> does the game count leap years? 07:35:07 <Tefad> why would it? 07:35:28 <guru3> just curious 07:35:29 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-158-149.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: und weg] 07:35:30 <Tefad> if the game would start on year zero, i'd be for it ; ) 07:38:34 <Alberth> The first 1850 years would be a bit dull possibly 07:42:23 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77C8D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:43:47 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm telling you... my harddrive practically screams "i'm going to fail, replace me!" 07:44:09 <roboboy> shurly you would give in by 1900 07:44:25 <Eddi|zuHause> do harddrive manufacturers send you replacements before you send in the disk? 07:45:22 <Eddi|zuHause> it's my newest (and thus biggest) disk that is causing trouble, i have no place to store all the data 07:46:34 <Eddi|zuHause> it's a Seagate (ST31000340AS) 07:46:51 <Eddi|zuHause> half a year old 07:48:35 <Eddi|zuHause> for the record, yes, the game counts leap years 07:49:55 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-229-137.prem.tmns.net.au] has joined #openttd 07:50:00 <peter1138> Tefad... it probably can. 07:50:33 <peter1138> And I believe leap years are handled. Not leap seconds though :D 07:52:33 *** Yeggstry is now known as Yeggs-work 07:55:10 <peter1138> ARGH! 07:55:23 <peter1138> So many web forms think that + is not a valid character :( 07:56:16 <Eddi|zuHause> so many web forms that think ;'-- is not a valid name? 07:56:25 <Eddi|zuHause> er... ';-- 07:59:53 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm101.epsilon121.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:01:16 *** ProfFrink [~proffrink@5ad915b0.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 08:03:32 *** Capn_Frink [~proffrink@5ad9f9d2.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:11:49 <roboboy> for cargo dest to work do I explicitly tell a train to go to every station the line? 08:13:09 *** elmex [~elmex@e180065213.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 08:13:17 <Eddi|zuHause> yes. stations must be explicitly mentioned in the orders 08:13:54 <Eddi|zuHause> treat all orders as non-stop 08:14:45 <roboboy> what if I remove the non-stop order 08:16:51 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:19:10 <peter1138> Hmm, maybe a Roland KS-18Z... 08:20:24 <Eddi|zuHause> roboboy: in the best case, the people just get confused when they arrive at an unscheduled stop 08:20:56 <Eddi|zuHause> roboboy: in the worst case, everything breaks hopelessly 08:28:55 <peter1138> There is a plan to solve it :) 08:38:29 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 08:47:22 *** CommanderZ [~matej@r9fi34.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 09:08:23 *** Volley [~worf@84-119-46-6.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #openttd 09:08:44 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 09:11:23 *** reldred|gone is now known as reldred 09:21:42 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-3-70-101.manc.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 09:22:05 <Brianetta> I had seven sync errors today. 09:22:39 <Eddi|zuHause> you broke it! 09:23:04 <PierreW> then try to be a bit more sync! ^^ 09:24:07 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F34A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:24:37 <Ammler> Brianetta: is waiting for 0.6.3 :-) 09:25:03 <Brianetta> Thing is, the errors came only when I had my trains' order sheets open 09:25:27 <Brianetta> It may well have been a complete coincidence, since I was trying hard to change some orders 09:27:17 <Ammler> so you mean, it is something else then autoreplace? 09:27:19 <ln-> Eddi|zuHause: when an important hd is failing, the first thing to do is to buy a new one, and think about replacement later. 09:28:01 <Eddi|zuHause> ln-: the problem about that is, i just bought a new one... that's the one that is failing... 09:28:25 <Eddi|zuHause> and it's not really "important", just "big" 09:28:49 <Eddi|zuHause> half of the stuff on there is uncut tv recordings... 09:28:55 <ln-> buy another new one, then you'll have two big ones after replacing the failing one. 09:29:15 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't have another SATA port free... 09:31:01 <ln-> this adapter will help you with that: http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.10113 09:34:28 <Eddi|zuHause> well, i got to go now 09:35:32 *** reldred is now known as reldred|gone 09:42:15 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-75-74-51-51.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 09:43:18 *** reldred|gone is now known as reldred 09:44:01 <peter1138> Brianetta, on a new game, or that game with lots of motorways? 09:44:21 <SpComb> Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd 09:44:21 <Nite_Owl> !logs 09:47:10 <Brianetta> peter1138: Oh, it's a motorway patchwork. 09:47:19 <Brianetta> Despite my warning on the web page *and* the join message. 09:47:49 <Brianetta> Ammler: What is it with autoreplace? That's not the cause of the desyncs. 09:48:04 <Brianetta> Desyncs are caused by waypoints and merging traffic queues. 09:48:16 <Brianetta> I might limit the number of road vehicles in the next game. 09:49:01 <Brianetta> If I limit it to one road vehicle, there can't ever be a jam. 09:49:27 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B8100C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:50:59 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80EE4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 09:51:02 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 09:56:03 *** reldred is now known as reldred|gone 09:56:05 <Ammler> Brianetta: all companies are passworded on your server... 09:56:24 *** reldred|gone is now known as reldred 09:57:11 <Ammler> maybe first time I saw that on a server :-) 09:59:21 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:59:37 <peter1138> That's because he has autoclean enabled. 10:00:17 <Ammler> you mean "disabled"? 10:01:39 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 10:02:27 <peter1138> I would've said disabled if I'd meant disabled. 10:02:39 <Ammler> :-) 10:03:26 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has quit [Quit: ecke] 10:04:28 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has joined #openttd 10:08:33 <Brianetta> It's enabled and disabled 10:08:45 <Brianetta> disabled for passworded companies 10:09:14 <Brianetta> Ammler: I'm pretty sure every company on some of the coop servers is passworded... 10:15:45 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:20:57 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 10:26:08 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:26:08 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 10:26:59 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad9f872.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:27:14 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad103f4.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 10:27:43 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:31:27 <dih> Brianetta: why dont you submit your patch for the autoclean to fs? 10:39:05 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@147.251.215.232] has joined #openttd 10:41:38 <Brianetta> dih: It's in trunk, independantly 10:44:39 *** Gekz [~brendan@202.43.235.121] has joined #openttd 10:45:24 *** Gekz_ [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 10:45:32 *** Gekz_ [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has left #openttd [] 10:46:47 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5F187.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 10:49:36 *** Gekz_ [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 10:49:44 *** Gekz_ [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has left #openttd [] 10:51:07 *** Gekz_ [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 10:51:24 *** Gekz is now known as Guest530 10:51:24 *** Gekz_ is now known as gekz 10:51:27 *** gekz is now known as Gekz 10:52:41 *** Guest530 [~brendan@202.43.235.121] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:52:41 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5F187.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 10:57:58 *** Zephyris [~Zephyris@user-5af25f3c.tcl121.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 11:00:58 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 11:08:27 <dih> Brianetta: since when? 11:09:38 <Nite_Owl> Anyone seen this yet - http://transporter.sfg-gaming.com/ 11:09:54 <Progman> the "new" openttd? yes *g* 11:10:55 <Forked> the renamed openttd? :o anyway.. ACCESS DENIED when trying to download 11:11:04 <Forked> oh wait, now I got something 11:11:25 <Progman> I guess the devs will send an email soon 11:11:34 <Nite_Owl> Posted on the forums about an hour ago. Not sure how long the project itself has been around. 11:11:37 <Forked> first thing I see is openttd*.grf files 11:11:54 <dih> LOL 11:12:06 <dih> this project is GPL, so.... 11:12:14 <Nite_Owl> Exactly 11:12:38 <dih> Forked: what's the url to download? 11:12:52 <Forked> http://transporter.sfg-gaming.com/downloads/Transporter%200.0.1.zip 11:13:04 <dih> 404 11:13:08 <Nite_Owl> Just seems a bit odd. Why not contribute instead of competing. 11:13:10 <dih> what did you do to fis that 11:13:18 <Forked> some .tar files 11:13:28 <Forked> generictrams_v04.grf 11:13:35 <Forked> v0.4 even 11:13:43 <dih> got it 11:13:46 <Forked> the trg*.grf files 11:14:02 <Forked> not going to launch the exe, heh 11:14:12 <Progman> so "fail" ;) 11:14:41 <Forked> but in the .exe I find things like ":\documents and settings\ben burt\my documents\openttd src\trunk\src\train.h" =p 11:14:44 <dih> the 'menu title' of the main menu sais OpenTTD 0.0.1 11:14:47 <Progman> Last-Modified: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 14:28:38 GMT 11:15:10 <Progman> so the project exists like around 3 weeks 11:15:51 *** Zephyris_ [~Zephyris@user-5af25f3c.tcl121.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 11:16:51 <dih> Progman: if you can call it a project 11:16:54 *** Zahl [~Zahl@e179057236.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 11:17:01 <dih> it's just ./configure --revision=0.0.1 11:17:06 *** udohateme [adsfstasdf@201.160.162.72.cable.dyn.cableonline.com.mx] has joined #openttd 11:17:30 <Nite_Owl> Might hit a snag with grf files depending on the license 11:17:35 *** udohateme [adsfstasdf@201.160.162.72.cable.dyn.cableonline.com.mx] has quit [autokilled: This host violated network policy. If you feel an error has been made, please contact support@oftc.net, thanks. (2008-09-19 11:17:35)] 11:17:36 <dih> must be from a stable 11:17:58 <dih> Nite_Owl: we could mail the url to marjacq 11:17:59 <dih> :-D 11:18:08 <Brianetta> dih: Since at least the 19th of August, which is when Rubidium said to me, "Last, but certainly not least: this feature is already in trunk." 11:18:24 <dih> wow - i never knew ;-) 11:19:07 <dih> must be from a stable as all the work done on the german translation is not included :-P 11:20:47 *** Zephyris [~Zephyris@user-5af25f3c.tcl121.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:20:48 *** Zephyris_ is now known as Zephyris 11:21:16 <Nite_Owl> It looks like a one man show so it most likely will not last. 11:22:19 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad103f4.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:22:57 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad456aa.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 11:23:22 *** CommanderZ [~matej@r9fi34.net.upc.cz] has left #openttd [] 11:24:46 <Brianetta> Hey, got to get me some Transporter action 11:24:51 <Brianetta> http://transporter.sfg-gaming.com/ 11:24:55 <Brianetta> oh yeah 11:25:23 <Nite_Owl> Scroll up a bit 11:25:40 <Brianetta> no 11:25:50 <Zephyris> Wow, what a great game! 11:25:58 <Brianetta> It's not very good, actually 11:26:08 <Brianetta> I mean, compared to Simutrans 11:26:09 <Brianetta> say 11:26:50 <Zephyris> I love the title page of it, says "OpenTTD" at the top and "Transporter 0.0.1" on the title page window 11:27:12 <Forked> s/OpenTTD/Transporter 11:27:37 <dih> hehe 11:27:47 <dih> it's quite amusing methinks 11:28:04 <Brianetta> It has an openttd.grf in its archive 11:28:36 <Forked> I don't see the source anywhere 11:28:52 <Brianetta> THey didn't release source? 11:28:54 <Brianetta> ooh 11:28:57 <Brianetta> naughty 11:29:02 *** CommanderZ [~matej@r9fi34.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 11:29:13 <CommanderZ> they have their own bugtracker :) 11:29:23 <Brianetta> but it's got stupid stuff on it 11:29:30 <Forked> I see the original grf's though (or at least I think I do) 11:29:39 <Brianetta> Steel mills, for example. Why change their behaviour in code? 11:30:05 <Brianetta> Well, who's going to get their solicitor to draft a cease and desist order? 11:31:33 <CommanderZ> We should chack it again once it is in version 0.04, they should be having ship collisions then :) 11:31:40 <dih> Brianetta: just need to get marjacq's attention to them 11:31:51 <CommanderZ> it si something ottd could use a lot 11:31:51 <dih> for distributing the original grf files 11:32:04 <CommanderZ> which grfs? 11:32:09 <Brianetta> THE grfs 11:32:12 <dih> aye 11:32:13 <Forked> trg* 11:32:19 <dih> those we dont speak of 11:32:21 <dih> :-P 11:32:35 <Forked> modified 02.07.1996 16:40 :) 11:32:36 <CommanderZ> sry, my opera crashed minute ago 11:32:48 <Forked> so who made grf's in '96.. hmhm 11:32:59 <CommanderZ> im not that stupid 11:33:08 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@62.113.133.253] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:33:22 <Forked> I was just speculating out loud, not trying to insult you :) 11:33:57 <dih> marjacq is quite sensitive regarding those files, afaik 11:35:38 <dih> this is in complete violation of gpl 11:36:01 <dih> not even the license file is being distributed 11:36:10 <dih> nor the readme 11:36:31 <dih> how can i see the in game credits? 11:37:09 <dih> "Copyright © OpenTTD Developers 2002-2008." <- LOL 11:37:25 <dih> file version: 0.7.0.14177 11:37:26 <dih> haha 11:37:40 <Brianetta> If they're listed somewhere, that might stand in court. 11:37:47 <Forked> s/ <-failed 11:38:54 <dih> still - how does one get to the in-game credits? 11:39:06 <CommanderZ> there arean't any, are they? 11:39:19 <CommanderZ> btw no source code = no gpl 11:40:14 <dih> yes there are 11:40:17 <dih> in a game 11:40:22 <dih> question-mark icon 11:40:27 <dih> about OpenTTD :-D 11:40:38 <dih> HEHEHE 11:44:43 <CommanderZ> how do you (ore someone else) want to contact them? there is no contact on the site. 11:46:15 *** Tekky [~chatzilla@p5493F04E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:46:42 <Alberth> Each domain at the Internet has a contact address 11:53:20 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@62.113.133.253] has joined #openttd 11:56:18 <Zephyris> Sooo... Would anyone like a copyright discussion!? 11:56:25 <Zephyris> Specifically OpenGFX 11:56:52 <Nite_Owl> The only way it will flourish is if you make a big deal out if it. If you leave it alone it will wither and die. 11:57:28 <Zephyris> matthijs got in touch with the Debian legal list (http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2008/09/msg00124.html) 11:57:46 <Nite_Owl> Oops - sorry Zephyris - that was not directed at what you were saying 11:58:02 <Zephyris> nite_owl: don't worry I guessed that :D 11:58:38 <Zephyris> And the conflict comes down to is it OK to distribute CC-by-SA with GPL? 11:59:00 <Brianetta> Almost certainly. 11:59:26 <Zephyris> The artists still generally CC-by-SA, but are also generally happy with GPL. 11:59:50 *** Doorslammer is now known as Doorbeard 11:59:53 <Zephyris> And the distribution problem is something even Debian's legal group can't answer! 12:00:32 <Brianetta> Compatibility boils down to, "Do the two licenses confer the same rights?" 12:00:41 <Brianetta> They do, in the context of artwork which has no source 12:04:09 <Ammler> Zephyris: do you need to remove content if you use the CC-by-SA? 12:04:20 <Ammler> (arthist againt it?) 12:04:37 <Ammler> artist 12:05:03 <Zephyris> At the moment neither CC-by-SA or GPL have 100% agreement from teh artists, but both are at about 90%, either way it will take some persuasion. 12:05:08 <Zephyris> or some cutting 12:05:43 <dih> go for cutting, that has most leaverage on the artists :-D 12:06:27 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80EE4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:06:29 <dih> http://home.sfg-gaming.com/ 12:06:32 <dih> Ben Burt ;-) 12:06:42 <Ammler> dih: likes to use the hammer :P 12:07:08 <Forked> dih: well the source was compiled in user "ben burt"s folder in my documents\ :p 12:07:40 <Zephyris> The critical point the debian list seems to think the copyright issue rotates round is independence of the two works, the openttd game engine and opengfx 12:08:08 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80522.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 12:08:08 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 12:08:21 <dih> i will contact them - i love doing such stuff 12:08:24 <Zephyris> if they are truly independent and interchangeable (like an image editing program and an image) then they can have different licenses and be distributed together 12:08:25 <Ammler> Forked: is it the same as OpenTTD? 12:08:28 <dih> and i will start by asking for the source ;-) 12:08:46 <dih> if they refuse to give access to it, they are really bad :-D 12:08:54 <dih> Ammler: yes 12:09:00 <Forked> Ammler: wherewhat? 12:09:01 <dih> it still sais openttd all over the place 12:09:01 <Zephyris> if they are not independent and interchangeable then they must have the same license to be distributed together 12:09:06 * Ammler can't download it 12:09:06 <dih> references all the dvs 12:09:18 <dih> http://transporter.sfg-gaming.com/downloads/ 12:09:37 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@62.113.133.253] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:09:37 <CommanderZ> It won't be interchangeable, will it? 12:09:38 <Zephyris> in itself the CC-by-SA license free enough for debian, its just a matter of co-distributioon 12:09:53 <Ammler> dih: Access denid 12:10:23 <Ammler> oh now 12:10:28 <Zephyris> well OpenGFX and the original graphics are interchangeable when using either TTDPatch or OpenTTD 12:10:41 <CommanderZ> but opengfx not 12:10:50 <CommanderZ> it gonna have some special format afaik 12:10:59 <Ammler> I would love to see OpenGFX splitted like openttd?.grf 12:11:19 <Zephyris> No special format, just an extra text file which gives some extra meta data 12:11:46 <Zephyris> if you replace the original grfs in TTD with the opengfx ones it will work perfectly 12:11:49 <CommanderZ> but ttdp won't be able to load it, yes? 12:12:04 <Ammler> CommanderZ: rename it. 12:12:35 <CommanderZ> so the text file will just carry the info about the file name? 12:12:43 <Ammler> changing the grfs was one of the first methods to mod TTD 12:13:05 <Tekky> To whom it may concern: I have just now posted a new binary for realistic timetables 1.57(cargodest version). I guess most people in this channel can compile the source code themselves, so my binary is not interesting for most people in this channel. But I thought I'd post it, anyway. :-) 12:13:44 <Tekky> Here is a link to the forum thread: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=39276 12:13:46 <Ammler> Tekky: do you use tt-forums as hoster? 12:14:12 <Tekky> no, rapidshare.... I thought it wouldn't be appropriate to use up too much server space :) 12:14:37 <Tekky> every time I post a new binary, it takes 3 MB space. 12:14:44 <Ammler> well, that is fine 12:14:51 <peter1138> Don't forget to include the readme and COPYING :p 12:14:58 <peter1138> (You didn't last time) 12:15:02 <Ammler> not everybody has account at rapidshare 12:15:03 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: mikl] 12:15:30 <Ammler> orudge: will tell you, if you use too much space. 12:15:31 <Tekky> peter1138: oh, shouldn't I also include the source code? :) 12:15:55 <Ammler> I hope, you don't :P 12:16:12 <Tekky> Ammler: if you don't have a rapidshare account, you only have to wait for 30 seconds until the download starts. 12:16:47 <Ammler> I guess, there is a forum rule like "do not use such file hoster" 12:16:52 <peter1138> Tekky, no, that is not necessary, heh... 12:17:05 <Tekky> peter1138: Doesn't the GPL require that? 12:17:09 <peter1138> Nope. 12:17:57 * roboboy wonders how long this old ai will last 12:18:32 <Alberth> roboboy: longer than you expect 12:18:44 <roboboy> they gave in with their trains 12:18:50 <roboboy> and are doing buses 12:19:05 <roboboy> when I get more cash ill buy them 12:19:41 <roboboy> they know they can use bridges over diagonal tracks 12:20:27 <Zephyris> Do any of the devs have an oppinion with the opengfx license? 12:20:39 <peter1138> > I wasn't referring to non-free data, but instead of DFSG-data with a 12:20:39 <peter1138> > license not-compatible with GPL. Such as GPL'ed engine and CC-by-sa 12:20:40 <peter1138> > 3.0 data. 12:20:41 <peter1138> :o 12:21:09 <Zephyris> ? 12:21:43 * dih could also just send them a copy of the GPL v2 12:23:32 <CommanderZ> btw, aren't original vehicle data and such (train names, etc...) also copyrighted? 12:24:05 <Noldo> CommanderZ: ones from ttd or ones from ottd? 12:24:58 <Zephyris> No, or probably not 12:25:18 <Zephyris> you can't copyright names IIRC 12:25:19 <CommanderZ> ttd 12:25:31 <Zephyris> you cant even trademark numbers 12:25:59 <CommanderZ> just...opengfx copies them 1:1, so I wonder if it could make trouble 12:26:22 <Noldo> so ttd didn't have the "real" plane names then? 12:26:24 <Zephyris> opengfx has nothing to do with train names or statistic, it is not a newgrf, just a grf 12:26:30 *** grumbel [~grumbel@i577B92A5.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 12:26:43 <Zephyris> tto had the real plane and train names, ttd had the made up ones 12:26:52 <Zephyris> the names are part of the code, not the opengfx grf 12:27:14 <Noldo> ok 12:27:52 <Ammler> isn't there setting to switch to original names? 12:28:21 *** CommanderZ [~matej@r9fi34.net.upc.cz] has left #openttd [] 12:28:24 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 12:28:28 *** CommanderZ [~matej@r9fi34.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 12:28:29 *** CommanderZ [~matej@r9fi34.net.upc.cz] has left #openttd [] 12:28:32 *** CommanderZ [~matej@r9fi34.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 12:28:43 <roboboy> this ai isnt really competing against me its kinda helping me 12:29:29 <peter1138> The AIs don't compete. 12:30:13 <roboboy> well I have a pax route from one end of the map and they are just growing the middle towns that I have stops at 12:33:44 <dih> Zephyris: afaik the TTD namings could not name the origianl vehicles (e.g. Boing 747) due to some legal issue.... 12:34:07 <dih> i have no idea though if marjac has anything for the names they chose for the vehicles 12:34:12 <dih> *marjacq 12:35:05 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@62.113.133.253] has joined #openttd 12:35:19 <Ammler> newgrfs are sorted for the GRFID on the server page: http://www.openttd.org/en/server/101 12:35:37 <Ammler> (shouldn't that be for name?) 12:35:55 <Zephyris> the legal issue would be due to them being trademarks 12:37:29 <Noldo> which they propably are not 12:37:52 <Zephyris> the made up ones are not 12:39:05 <Noldo> if someone started making planes or trucks with those names it might change 12:39:33 <Noldo> though it might still be a good idea to invent original names 12:40:03 *** CommanderZ [~matej@r9fi34.net.upc.cz] has left #openttd [] 12:40:14 <Ammler> Transporter 0.0.1 looks more like a joke 12:40:35 <Ammler> it uses the cfg from ~/.openttd/ 12:41:04 * roboboy wonders if that will even work 12:41:19 <roboboy> and why did it get posted in the development forum? 12:43:56 *** [com]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has joined #openttd 12:44:14 <Nite_Owl> too... bright... outside... must... retreat... L8r... all 12:44:46 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-75-74-51-51.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon] 12:45:35 <ln-> http://www.amazon.com/Just-How-Stupid-Are-We/dp/0465077714 12:45:47 <ccfreak2k> What exactly is Transporter? 12:46:08 <Forked> openttd 12:47:12 <ccfreak2k> http://www.tt-forums.net/download/file.php?id=99197 Heh. 12:47:45 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 12:48:10 *** Frag971 [~frag971@85.138.187.53] has joined #openttd 12:49:44 <Frag971> heya ppl. im looking for this and cant fint... i installed OpenTTD but the fonts are missing i installed the .grf font file but it doesnt seem to work :| 12:50:05 <Frag971> how to i install a font then cus the game is all in ??????????s 12:50:21 <ccfreak2k> I'm going to guess it's Unicode-related. 12:53:14 <peter1138> You're going to guess wrong :) 12:53:55 <ccfreak2k> That's why it's a guess. 12:54:06 <peter1138> Frag971, read the readme. There's a paragraph in there about setting up fonts. 12:56:46 *** Zephyris [~Zephyris@user-5af25f3c.tcl121.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:59:45 *** De_Ghosty [~s@206-248-191-25.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:02:20 *** De_Ghosty [~s@206-248-191-244.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #openttd 13:03:37 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@86.89.201.189] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 13:08:46 *** Zephyris_ [~Zephyris@user-5af25f3c.tcl121.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 13:08:47 *** Zephyris_ is now known as Zephyris 13:10:25 *** De_Ghosty [~s@206-248-191-244.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:10:35 *** De_Ghosty [~s@76-10-139-123.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #openttd 13:12:15 <roboboy> gnight soon 13:15:05 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 13:15:18 <yorick> Ahoy! sailors! It's talk like a pirate day! 13:15:35 <SpComb> OYARRLY 13:15:55 <yorick> yarr! 13:16:07 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@bib-theater33.hku.nl] has joined #openttd 13:17:16 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@bib-theater33.hku.nl] has quit [] 13:20:19 <Ammler> has winxp "native" ssh support? 13:20:25 <Ammler> or does it still need putty? 13:20:51 <SpComb> does any windows have ssh support out-of-the-box? 13:20:57 <yorick> it needs puty 13:21:02 <yorick> or telnet+s 13:24:23 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 13:29:31 *** Zephyris_ [~Zephyris@user-5af25f3c.tcl121.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 13:30:33 <Noldo> Ammler: even if it had I would still use putty 13:30:35 *** ProfFrink is now known as Capn_Frink 13:33:22 <Eddi|zuHause> i always use ssh secure shell... 13:33:47 *** Zephyris [~Zephyris@user-5af25f3c.tcl121.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:33:59 *** Zephyris_ is now known as Zephyris 13:38:30 *** Frag971 [~frag971@85.138.187.53] has quit [] 13:39:15 <ln-> Ammler: you need an auxiliary verb in questions in english. 13:39:44 <Ammler> does windows have... 13:39:48 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 13:40:02 <Eddi|zuHause> "how goes it?" 13:40:42 <Ammler> Eddi|zuHause: that shell is also not included, I assume? 13:40:57 <Eddi|zuHause> of course not... 13:41:06 <Ammler> :-) 13:42:03 <Eddi|zuHause> i have installed kde-win yesterday on my work pc, but i did not check everything out that it offers... 13:46:30 *** Zealotus [~Ping@78-69-54-150-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 13:50:39 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 13:58:27 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@bib-theater33.hku.nl] has joined #openttd 13:59:47 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@bib-theater33.hku.nl] has quit [] 14:06:01 <yorick> stupid widget and guilist... 14:06:54 <yorick> 2*6 > 10 14:07:03 <yorick> why isn't 2*6 10? 14:07:36 *** teggigi [~asd@ti0056a340-dhcp0311.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 14:07:47 <Eddi|zuHause> you could try 6*9 14:08:21 <yorick> why are the guilists 10 and the legend lines 11? 14:08:29 <yorick> 6* 14:08:43 <Eddi|zuHause> @calc 2^64 14:08:43 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: Error: Something in there wasn't a valid number. 14:08:47 <Eddi|zuHause> @calc 2**64 14:08:47 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: 18446744073709551616 14:08:51 <Eddi|zuHause> @calc 2**63 14:08:51 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: 9223372036854775808 14:16:43 *** Phoenix_the_II [rdeboom@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:18:26 <Belugas> blub blub 14:20:39 <yorick> gulp 14:21:18 <yorick> meh 14:26:10 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 14:30:14 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77C8D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:30:31 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77C8D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:31:46 <SmatZ> http://devs.openttd.org/~smatz/dragon.png finishing DM :) 14:34:33 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 14:36:02 * yorick ponders ceil((calculation) / 10) * 10, but it doesn't work on negative stuffs 14:37:46 <Sacro> yorick: what are you trying to do? 14:38:03 <yorick> I am trying to make a value ceil to 10 14:38:10 <yorick> or to -10, if it's negative 14:38:17 <yorick> hm, or did I want to floor it 14:38:29 <Sacro> what goes to -10 14:38:29 <yorick> no, I wanted to ceil it 14:38:33 <Sacro> -10.5 or -9.5? 14:38:37 <yorick> -9.5 14:38:40 <yorick> but -5 too 14:38:41 <Sacro> that'd be floor 14:38:47 <Sacro> you want to floor to -10 14:38:49 <Sacro> and ciel to 10 14:38:53 <yorick> yes 14:39:01 <yorick> ...I think 14:39:13 <yorick> but 15 to 20 14:39:19 <yorick> and -15 to -20 14:39:27 <Sacro> if (value < 0) ? ceil(x) : floor (X) 14:39:48 <Sacro> eh :\ 14:40:50 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@86.89.201.189] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 14:40:55 *** Doorbeard [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-229-137.prem.tmns.net.au] has quit [] 14:41:17 <yorick> because I want to resize the industry list, and that only works on a multiple of 10 14:42:06 * SmatZ floors yorick 14:42:14 * yorick ceils SmatZ 14:42:21 <Eddi|zuHause> why would that be negative? 14:42:22 <SmatZ> :) 14:42:35 <yorick> because it can resize upwards 14:42:49 *** welshpirate is now known as welshdragon 14:43:05 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, Sacro's version should work 14:43:14 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause: should it? 14:43:17 <Sacro> :\ 14:43:25 <Sacro> not often my code works 14:43:26 <Eddi|zuHause> well, something along those lines ;) 14:43:26 <yorick> no 14:43:39 <Eddi|zuHause> i mean the general concept 14:43:47 <Sacro> i think i got them the wrong way round 14:43:48 <Eddi|zuHause> not the actual copy-paste ;) 14:44:09 <Eddi|zuHause> doesn't change the concept ;) 14:44:18 <yorick> you got them the wrong way around 14:46:03 <yorick> argh, why can't the thing just draw half-a-string 14:47:07 <Eddi|zuHause> my understanding is that there are functions that can cut off a string at a certain width 14:47:19 <yorick> yes, not of a certain height 14:48:29 <Eddi|zuHause> what is the actual problem here? i thought the industry list can already resize? 14:48:39 <yorick> http://img137.imageshack.us/my.php?image=httpclanmegawarlinkeu15kk5.png 14:48:56 <yorick> it can only resize properly with multiples of 10 14:49:20 <yorick> that's my problem 14:49:30 <yorick> I need to have that legend resizing 14:50:12 <yorick> or I should just resize the whole window...but that's a bad idea, because it resizes while resizing it, then 14:50:25 <yorick> which tends to be annoying 14:52:38 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 14:53:57 <Eddi|zuHause> so the actual problem is the alignment of the lower widgets? 14:54:20 <Eddi|zuHause> how about looking at the vehicle lists? they must have done something similar 14:54:36 <yorick> the vehicle lists haven't 14:54:45 <yorick> it's about the legend resizing 14:54:52 <yorick> and it resizes to multiples of 6 14:55:24 <yorick> so the industry lists needs to downsize 14:55:26 <Belugas> yorick, it is my belief that, even if your approach seems like working, it is not th scheme we add in mind for that. Simply using the minimap "filter" is not a good way to go. A dropdown panel of some sort would have been better and more easy to use 14:55:43 <Belugas> otherwise, as you can see, you're going in strange avenues 14:55:43 <Eddi|zuHause> yorick: but the industry legend also resizes in the map 14:56:03 <yorick> Eddi: yes, but the map doesn't care about being resized with multiples of 6 14:56:14 <dih> what you up to this time yorick 14:56:27 <yorick> dih: same as yesterday, but resizing 14:56:41 <yorick> Belugas: you can't select multiple industry-types with a dropdown 14:57:06 *** trainboy2004 [~trainboy2@cp734887-a.gelen1.lb.home.nl] has joined #openttd 14:57:23 <Eddi|zuHause> yorick: i still don't see what the problem is... 14:57:45 <yorick> Eddi: the industry list widget can't resize to anything that doesn't end with "0" 14:58:02 <yorick> and it needs to resize to make way for the industry legend 14:58:10 <Gekz> binary or otherwise? 14:58:18 <yorick> Gekz: decimal 14:58:48 <Eddi|zuHause> yorick: no, make it like the map, the map widget does not resize because the industry legend resizes 14:58:54 <Eddi|zuHause> the whole window resizes instead 14:59:10 <Belugas> yorick, it's because support for that is not written yet 14:59:10 <yorick> *cough* 14:59:24 <yorick> Eddi: try it ;) 14:59:44 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm not touching GUI code :p 15:00:17 <yorick> no, try resizing the smallmap 15:00:22 <yorick> and looking at the window size 15:00:37 <yorick> does it change if you resize the smallmap window? 15:00:44 <yorick> horizontally 15:00:52 <yorick> does the vertical height then change? 15:01:05 *** trainboy2004 [~trainboy2@cp734887-a.gelen1.lb.home.nl] has quit [] 15:01:26 <yorick> the map itself resized, not the window 15:01:45 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... not in the version that i tried last... 15:01:50 <peter1138> What? 15:01:55 <peter1138> We have support for checkbox dropdowns. 15:02:14 <peter1138> See the 'Settings' menu, from the main toolbar. 15:02:21 *** Andel [~andel@owenrudge.net] has left #openttd [] 15:02:59 <yorick> peter1138: where's that? 15:03:08 <peter1138> I just told you. 15:03:22 <yorick> there is no 'Settings' menu from the main toolbar. 15:04:08 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 15:04:10 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 15:04:42 <yorick> there is an 'Options' menu, however :-) 15:05:13 <yorick> then, those are very different from the dropdown menus on the windows 15:05:57 <Eddi|zuHause> i wouldn't like such a dropdown checklist... 15:06:04 <yorick> ^^ 15:06:27 <Eddi|zuHause> plus, it's getting awfully big with 60 entries... 15:06:33 <yorick> 64 15:06:54 <yorick> I second that 15:10:02 <Belugas> i was not thinking about that type of "dropdown", to be honest 15:10:07 <yorick> ? 15:10:26 <Belugas> but... 15:10:38 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... http://users.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/Ravenswald%20Transport,%2017.%20Okt%201981.png <- are there features in here, that wouldn't pass as 0.6.x? 15:11:18 *** Zephyris_ [~Zephyris@user-5af25f3c.tcl121.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 15:12:02 <yorick> not that I can see, the invicibility gui was introduced some time after 0.6 15:12:51 * peter1138 wants an invincibility gui... 15:13:14 * planetmaker wants invincibility backend/core :) 15:13:35 <peter1138> Actually I want food. 15:13:46 * planetmaker has food. 15:14:08 * planetmaker hands peter1138 a cooky. Actually some original Dutsch Stoopwafels 15:14:20 <glx> Eddi|zuHause: looks like 0.6.x for me 15:14:23 <yorick> Dutch* 15:14:30 <Belugas> yuo know, the more i think about it, the more I think a new gui for the filter might be a better idea 15:14:33 <Belugas> but... 15:14:40 <Belugas> i'm not totally into it reight now 15:14:44 <Belugas> -2 15:14:46 <Belugas> -e 15:14:48 <Belugas> ggaaaa!!! 15:14:54 <yorick> planetmaker: stroopkoeken, or stroopwafels? 15:14:54 <Eddi|zuHause> go to bed! :p 15:15:12 <planetmaker> I said stroopwafels and I mean it. 15:15:36 <yorick> I like stroopkoeken more :) 15:15:47 *** Zephyris [~Zephyris@user-5af25f3c.tcl121.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:15:54 <planetmaker> stroopkoeken is not here - and stroopwafels are easier to export :P - and import 15:16:01 *** Zephyris_ is now known as Zephyris 15:16:12 <yorick> one of my reasons for prefering stroopkoenen 15:16:15 <yorick> koek* 15:17:46 *** Dr_Jekyll [Dr_Jekyll@p57B0C90B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:17:52 <planetmaker> I guess I'll have enough of it in a few weeks :) 15:18:00 <Sacro> yorick: you liek teh koek? 15:18:01 <Sacro> :P 15:18:14 <yorick> I like teh stroopkoek 15:20:17 *** ProfFrink [~proffrink@5ad3835c.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 15:22:28 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fea0d.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 15:23:01 *** Capn_Frink [~proffrink@5ad915b0.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:24:17 *** ProfFrink is now known as Capn_Frink 15:26:01 *** reldred [aegir@creep.bur.st] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:32:15 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: [FATAL] Client error: Memory leak - More RAM needed. More! More! More!] 15:42:53 <Sacro> Hofstadter's book elevates recursion (in the broadest sense of 15:42:53 <Sacro> self-reference) to exalted heights, leading to Andrew Plotkin's recursive 15:42:53 <Sacro> definition of recursion: "If you already know what recursion is, just 15:42:54 <Sacro> remember the answer. Otherwise, find someone who is standing closer to 15:42:56 <Sacro> Douglas Hofstadter than you are; then ask him or her what recursion is." 15:46:54 <Eddi|zuHause> http://www.uni-eschweilerhof.de/rekfak/ 15:47:15 <Eddi|zuHause> "Bitte klicken Sie hier, um zur Homepage der Rekursiven FakultÀt zu gelangen." 15:48:23 <SmatZ> hehe 15:48:25 <Eddi|zuHause> (it's actually a non-translateable play on words, because "faculty" and "factorial" are the same word in german) 15:51:12 *** Pikka [~PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has quit [] 16:04:44 <Belugas> "welcome to my Nightmare" 16:05:00 <Belugas> and now... time to the Black Widow! 16:05:06 <Belugas> and of course lunch hehehe 16:10:12 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 16:16:34 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 16:16:51 *** Zephyris_ [~Zephyris@user-5af25f3c.tcl121.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 16:18:34 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-3-70-101.manc.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 16:21:47 *** Zephyris [~Zephyris@user-5af25f3c.tcl121.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:23:39 *** Aylomen [~a@DSL01.83.171.146.23.ip-pool.NEFkom.net] has joined #openttd 16:25:45 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@5350C1D1.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 16:26:37 *** Zephyris_ [~Zephyris@user-5af25f3c.tcl121.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:34:37 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r14360 /trunk/src/order_gui.cpp: -Cleanup (r12652): remove unused handler for the 'Tranfser' button 16:43:42 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A43482.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:45:47 <Eddi|zuHause> i have never seen a "Tranfser" button... no wonder it was unused :p 16:46:56 <SmatZ> :-p 16:47:14 <SmatZ> haha mr. funny :-P 16:47:23 *** mode/#openttd [+o SmatZ] by Belugas 16:47:31 <SmatZ> :-D 16:47:50 <Eddi|zuHause> in german we have a saying: "Wer den Schaden hat, braucht fÃŒr den Spott nicht zu sorgen." 16:48:25 <Belugas> "A vos souhaits" 16:49:03 *** FR^2 [fr@oscar.frquadrat.de] has joined #openttd 16:50:28 <Eddi|zuHause> not exactly the same meaning :p 16:50:33 <Belugas> lol 16:50:39 <Belugas> i just can imagine :D 16:50:57 * Sacro plays Transporter 16:51:17 <Belugas> ho... poor dear... 16:51:34 <Sacro> hmm 16:51:35 <Belugas> now. what should I do with you ? 16:51:40 <Sacro> "UK Renewal Train Set" 16:51:41 <Eddi|zuHause> it translates roughly as "who has the damage, does not have to care for the mockery" 16:51:41 <Belugas> i know! 16:51:46 <Sacro> i wonder where Pikka is 16:51:50 * frosch123 considers to transfer some of the nasty bug reports to the transporter fs 16:52:19 <Sacro> frosch123: if they fix it then you can yoink their patch 16:52:58 <Belugas> frankly, i doubt "they" could do anything usefull 16:53:08 *** Zephyris_ [~Zephyris@user-5af25f3c.tcl121.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 16:53:10 *** Zephyris_ is now known as Zephyris 16:53:16 <Belugas> but.. yeah, i agree with frosch123 :) 16:53:21 <Belugas> that would be fun fun fun 16:53:21 * frosch123 supposses "they" to be a single underaged kiddo 16:53:31 <Belugas> my tough 16:53:37 <Belugas> my thoughs 16:55:27 <Belugas> or the most absurd requests been made :) 16:55:33 <Belugas> and they are many! 16:58:07 <SmatZ> :) 16:58:31 <Sacro> i think it is Blurty 16:58:37 <Sacro> @seen Blurty 16:58:37 <DorpsGek> Sacro: I have not seen Blurty. 17:03:43 <Belugas> @seen Burty 17:03:44 <DorpsGek> Belugas: I have not seen Burty. 17:06:15 <peter1138> Hello. 17:06:35 * peter1138 puts on some Bowie. 17:06:51 <SmatZ> hello 17:06:57 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... from the GPL vs CC discussion: "The case where the same game content can be used in a different engine+code verbatim is exceedingly rare." <- that is clearly relevant, as the same grf files can be usually used in both OpenTTD and TTDPatch, which are a very independent code base 17:08:15 <Belugas> bowie... mmh... nice idea 17:13:25 <Belugas> i would if i did n't forgot my colleciton at home :S 17:13:36 <Belugas> so...keep on playing Alice Cooper 17:13:50 <Belugas> old ones... may i point out 17:15:05 <peter1138> :) 17:16:13 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80522.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:23:41 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-158-149.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 17:37:09 *** Yeggs-work [~mind@cpc1-rdng14-0-0-cust946.winn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:42:59 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B835E2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 17:43:03 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 17:43:20 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A43482.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 17:45:26 *** Yeggstry [~mind@cpc1-rdng14-0-0-cust946.winn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 17:54:09 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a46ad5.virnxx14.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 17:54:12 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 17:54:18 <Bjarni> ohoy 17:57:14 <Capn_Frink> Bjarrrrrni! 17:57:58 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0.1/2008070208]] 17:58:43 *** Deathmaker [~Miranda@a89-183-28-8.net-htp.de] has joined #openttd 18:06:29 <Bjarni> http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/224892/asus-ships-software-cracker-on-recovery-dvd.html <-- speaking about pirates :D 18:10:08 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm a "land rat", i can't grasp the concept of this pirate thing 18:10:34 <Bjarni> o_O 18:10:49 <Bjarni> let's make this land lubber walk the plank 18:10:50 <Capn_Frink> Eddi|zuHause: Be ye a... ninja? 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I was once told before, but I forgot again :( 19:47:49 <Eddi|zuHause> #tycoon 19:47:51 <Tekky> ah, thx. 19:48:10 <Eddi|zuHause> anyone told orudge already? 19:48:15 <Tekky> I did 19:48:42 <Tekky> that's why I asked about the chat channel, I wanted to know what was going on about the forum hack...... 19:49:54 <orudge> Eddi|zuHause: yes 19:49:55 <orudge> I'm well aware 19:50:24 <hylje> what happen 19:50:33 <murray> someone set up us the bomb? 19:50:59 <hylje> main screen turn on 19:51:20 <Eddi|zuHause> you have no chance to survive 19:52:03 <hylje> make your time 19:52:04 <SmatZ> hmm stupid hackers 19:52:12 <SmatZ> script kiddies 19:52:27 <SmatZ> electric chair for those suckers 19:52:38 <Belugas> who? where? 19:52:48 <SmatZ> http://www.tt-forums.net/ 19:53:04 <SmatZ> children... 19:53:13 *** Reemo [Dr_Jekyll@p57B0C90B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:53:15 * Belugas is shocked and ... 19:53:22 <Belugas> shocked 19:53:30 <hylje> double-shocked 19:53:30 <teggigi> should reply with 19:53:32 <teggigi> you suck sas 19:53:33 <SmatZ> appealed :) 19:53:36 <teggigi> and add a LOL at the ned 19:53:39 <teggigi> end* :E:E:E 19:53:41 <SmatZ> heheheheehe 19:53:51 <teggigi> pff 19:53:56 <teggigi> i thought it was good at the time i wrote it 19:55:54 *** Jafinto [~hugwijst@jafinto.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 19:59:18 <Belugas> next donation round will be to buy a lock for orudge's room ;) 19:59:25 <SmatZ> :-) 20:00:36 *** Jafinto [~hugwijst@jafinto.xs4all.nl] has quit [] 20:10:25 <Eddi|zuHause> ahh.... "maintenance"... that's what this is called ;) 20:10:30 <orudge> of a sort 20:11:24 <Belugas> hurray for backups... 20:12:00 <Rubidium> but... but... oh... never mind, I didn't post since when the backup was made ;) 20:12:39 <peter1138> Last week? 20:13:12 <SmatZ> isn't the backup done every night? 20:13:32 <Belugas> yeah, just when i can finally start looking at forumes :S 20:15:15 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-210-61.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 20:23:55 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r14361 /trunk/src/lang/ (14 files): (log message trimmed) 20:23:55 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2008-09-19 20:23:28 20:23:55 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: italian - 8 fixed by lorenzodv (8) 20:23:55 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: korean - 3 fixed by leejaeuk5 (3) 20:23:55 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: simplified_chinese - 119 fixed by ww9980 (119) 20:23:57 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: spanish - 1 fixed by eusebio (1) 20:23:57 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: swedish - 13 fixed by ChrillDeVille (13) 20:42:08 *** Zahl [~Zahl@e179223135.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: (~_~]"] 20:54:49 *** FR^2 [fr@oscar.frquadrat.de] has quit [Quit: Connection reset by caffein depletion...] 20:59:18 <Eddi|zuHause> what i love about the openttd visualisation is ho celestar keeps blinking up with a branch, and then disappears again ;) 21:00:51 <dih> hehe 21:01:11 <dih> oh - you talking about OpenTTD or Transport? :-D 21:01:19 <Belugas> +er 21:01:21 <dih> yes 21:01:22 <dih> that 21:01:31 <Belugas> ** that ** 21:01:43 <Belugas> with disgust 21:02:06 <dih> i know something you could do - which would be even more disgusting :-P 21:02:47 <Eddi|zuHause> "realistic transporter" :p 21:03:09 <dih> no - inform marjacq of the url and explain the contents of the zip package 21:03:29 <dih> i.e. the grf files it includes or the files in the gm/ folder 21:04:21 <Ammler> much better "dummy" support ;-) 21:05:34 <dih> those idiots :-P 21:07:41 <Brianetta> Who's marjacq? 21:07:54 <Eddi|zuHause> i have no idea myself 21:08:39 <dih> marjacq is the agency of CS, who actually believes to be the right copyright owner of TT TTD 21:09:21 <dih> and who said that they ever only hand out distribution rights to companies like atari, and the lot 21:09:35 *** GT [~GT@83.117.132.77] has joined #openttd 21:10:37 <peter1138> That strikes me a stupid idea. 21:11:02 <dih> why is that? 21:11:04 <Ammler> I bet, they wont do anything... 21:11:21 <dih> not sure 21:11:29 <Ammler> worth a try :-) 21:11:35 <dih> yep 21:12:39 <dih> you will want to contact Guy Herbert 21:13:01 <dih> <firstname>@marjacq.com 21:13:24 <Ammler> I am the one, who bet against :P 21:13:59 <dih> i think they would do something, but they would not take these sfg-gaming.com to court 21:14:11 <dih> just perhaps some mail 21:14:17 <peter1138> Hey Marjacq, we wrote this software that may or may not infringe on your copyrights, do you fancy going after these other people? 21:14:35 <Ammler> lol 21:15:35 <dih> peter1138, they know OpenTTD well enough 21:15:50 <dih> and i did not say that YOU (the devs) should point out those people 21:16:17 *** welshdragon [~vista@host86-145-214-136.range86-145.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Write error: connection closed] 21:16:17 *** Zorn [zorn@e177224082.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Write error: connection closed] 21:16:21 *** Zorn [zorn@e177224082.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 21:16:38 *** welshdragon [~vista@host86-145-214-136.range86-145.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 21:17:21 <dih> i have already had my phone calles with guy (and emails) 21:17:36 <dih> so that could be something to base another mail on 21:18:38 <dih> +44 (0) 1935 813097 <- phone number of Steven Saywell 21:18:58 <dih> the friend of the guy who compiled the Transporter binary 21:20:09 <murray> ooh, gonna have fun with that tonight 21:21:20 <dih> well - his cell phone number is listed in the whois database 21:22:21 <murray> but this way, you will feel guilty 21:22:27 <murray> mwahaha 21:22:51 <dih> why would i feel guilty? 21:23:19 <murray> because i COMMAND YOU TO! 21:24:43 <dih> cute! 21:25:16 <Brianetta> hi 21:25:26 <Brianetta> ^^ That was Helen 21:26:05 <Rubidium> say hi from us to Helen 21:26:18 <Brianetta> She his back, again 21:26:22 <Brianetta> I think she feels a tad timid 21:26:51 *** [com]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has quit [Quit: Operator, give me an exit] 21:27:20 <dih> hello Helen 21:27:27 <Bjarni> hello Helen 21:27:35 <yorick> hello Helen 21:27:45 <Bjarni> was Brianetta too hard on you? :) 21:27:53 <dih> ;-) 21:28:01 <Brianetta> oo-err missus 21:28:49 <dih> Helen: what do you do? 21:29:31 <yorick> being Brianetta's something 21:29:49 * dih slpas yorick 21:30:00 <dih> wife != something 21:30:06 * yorick slpas dih back 21:30:25 <dih> where did that +q on yorick go to anyway? 21:30:35 <dih> :P 21:30:40 <yorick> you ned a +q on me? 21:30:43 *** mode/#openttd [+b *!*@*.adsl.wanadoo.nl] by Bjarni 21:30:51 <Bjarni> that one works too 21:30:58 <Bjarni> oops 21:30:59 <dih> Bjarni, yorick has a static 21:31:00 * Rubidium thanks Bjarni 21:31:13 <Bjarni> I meant to ban him, not his ISP 21:31:28 *** mode/#openttd [+b *!*Yorick@*.adsl.wanadoo.nl] by Bjarni 21:31:29 * Rubidium is with that ISP too 21:31:46 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-3-70-101.manc.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 21:31:51 *** mode/#openttd [-b *!*@*.adsl.wanadoo.nl] by Bjarni 21:31:54 <dih> if you look at the logs, yorick has not connected to irc with anything other than that ip 21:31:58 *** Osai is now known as Osai^zZz 21:32:58 <Eddi|zuHause> yes he did. 21:33:10 <dih> how many times? once or twice 21:33:19 <Eddi|zuHause> something around that, yes 21:33:32 <dih> and that was probably around the time where he joined from his bouncer 21:33:42 <dih> same host the bot 'questionmark' was on 21:34:00 *** mode/#openttd [-b *!*Yorick@*.adsl.wanadoo.nl] by Bjarni 21:34:02 <yorick> I don't have a bouncer 21:34:16 *** mode/#openttd [+b *!*Yorick@*.adsl.wanadoo.nl] by Bjarni 21:34:19 <dih> LOLO 21:34:44 <dih> Bjarni, *@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl ;-) 21:34:48 <Bjarni> not quite ready for this channel 21:34:58 <dih> like i said - it's a static ip 21:35:19 *** mode/#openttd [+b *!*@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] by Bjarni 21:35:24 <Eddi|zuHause> 39 (~Yorick@82-171-194-232.ip.telfort.nl). 21:35:26 <Eddi|zuHause> 31 (~Yorick@82-171-205-190.ip.telfort.nl). 21:35:27 <Eddi|zuHause> 109 (~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl). 21:35:35 *** mode/#openttd [-b *!*Yorick@*.adsl.wanadoo.nl] by Bjarni 21:35:44 <dih> Eddi|zuHause, yes - that is the wireless from his neightbour 21:36:01 <Bjarni> oh he is that kind of guy 21:36:06 <Rubidium> or his mobile phone... 21:36:56 *** mode/#openttd [+b *!*@82-171-*-*.ip.telfort.nl] by Bjarni 21:37:19 *** mode/#openttd [+b *!*Bjarni@*.virnxx14.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] by peter1138 21:37:19 *** Bjarni was kicked from #openttd by peter1138 [Ban Spam] 21:37:27 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-158-149.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: und weg] 21:37:34 <dih> so 3 ip's in what 1.5 years? 21:37:39 *** mode/#openttd [-b *!*Bjarni@*.virnxx14.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] by peter1138 21:37:52 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a46ad5.virnxx14.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 21:37:55 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 21:38:08 * dih points at peter1138 21:38:14 <Bjarni> I know 21:38:20 <Bjarni> I just don't know why 21:38:47 <Eddi|zuHause> oftc.net_#openttd.log:[Mo Feb 11 2008] [17:13:23] Betreten Yorick hat den Kanal betreten (~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl). 21:38:56 <Eddi|zuHause> that's the first instance i could find 21:39:27 *** thvdburgt [~thomas@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has joined #openttd 21:39:54 <thvdburgt> tt-forums hacked :O? 21:40:01 <dih> ? 21:40:33 <valhallasw> eh, no 21:40:36 <Eddi|zuHause> no, undergoing maintenance, obviously ;) 21:40:37 <valhallasw> just maintanance :P 21:40:38 <Bjarni> read the message instead of presuming the worst 21:40:43 <dih> thvdburgt, thanks for sharing rubbish ;-) 21:40:49 <thvdburgt> now it gives a maintenance page but just a second ago it gave a black page with hacked by .... 21:41:11 <Bjarni> hacked by who? 21:41:14 <dih> yeah, right... 21:41:19 <murray> that was an internal joke 21:42:53 <orudge> sigh 21:42:56 <orudge> bad time for it to be happening 21:43:03 <orudge> at least this time I can see the admin log 21:43:18 <Bjarni> van der Burgt <-- you can be named that? 21:43:29 <Bjarni> sounds like it means "from the bay" 21:43:30 <orudge> and despite me changing my password, he still seemed to be in with my user details 21:43:33 <thvdburgt> When you live in holland 21:44:03 <Bjarni> but I guess you live near the water, which would make it fitting ;) 21:44:24 <thvdburgt> a burgt is somekind of castle/fortified building 21:44:32 <Bjarni> ahh 21:44:35 <dih> no kidding.... 21:45:11 <Bjarni> those usually have a moat, so I was close :P 21:46:07 <thvdburgt> any idea how he got your used details orudge? 21:46:13 <thvdburgt> *user 21:47:38 <orudge> am looking into things 21:48:18 <murray> wasn't it really old forum software? 21:48:23 <murray> with probably known holes? 21:48:26 <orudge> no 21:48:35 <orudge> I'm looking into it 21:48:36 <orudge> can't comment just now 21:48:38 <murray> :p 21:48:39 <murray> ok 21:48:39 <orudge> for things are very busy 21:48:59 <murray> good luck 21:49:00 <murray> ;) 21:49:15 <Rubidium> and all those questions are only delaying him in finding the culprit 21:49:21 <murray> i realized :p 21:49:33 <Capn_Frink> It was Sacro. 21:50:02 *** mode/#openttd [+b *!*Ben@*.karoo.KCOM.COM] by Bjarni 21:50:11 *** Aylomen [~a@DSL01.83.171.146.23.ip-pool.NEFkom.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:50:20 <Bjarni> Capn_Frink: now your life depends on if you are right :p 21:50:52 <Bjarni> actually 21:50:58 <thvdburgt> does anybody know where firefox stores it's tmp-data on linux? 21:51:07 <Bjarni> Capn_Frink: prove it 21:51:13 <Bjarni> or you will walk the plank 21:51:21 <Rubidium> /tmp or ~/.mozilla/<something> ? 21:53:20 *** mode/#openttd [-b *!*Ben@*.karoo.KCOM.COM] by Bjarni 21:55:52 <Capn_Frink> Bjarni: lose the "Ben". 21:56:03 <Capn_Frink> Nothing good's ever come from Ull. 21:56:51 <Bjarni> ? 21:58:15 <Bjarni> I think that depends on the eyes of the beholder 21:58:16 <Capn_Frink> Bjarni: banning KCOM.COM is banning Ull. 21:58:22 <Capn_Frink> This is a good thing. 21:58:52 <Bjarni> KCOM.COM is the town of Hull? 21:58:59 <Capn_Frink> Basically, yes. 21:59:04 <Bjarni> cool 21:59:41 * Bjarni sets ban on *!*@*.COM 21:59:49 <Bjarni> that should cover it 22:10:25 *** `Fuco`AFK is now known as `Fuco`` 22:10:32 *** `Fuco`` is now known as Fuco 22:11:42 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: -b? Poef!] 22:12:53 <welshdragon> Bjarni, you do realise that when i miovem, i will have a similar ip to sacro's 22:13:11 <welshdragon> as i'm living in a kcom.com property 22:13:25 <welshdragon> in fact, all of hull is kcom.com 22:14:32 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fea0d.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:15:34 <welshdragon> oh well 22:15:59 *** thvdburgt [~thomas@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:20:13 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:24:59 <Bjarni> welshdragon: so basically if I ban kcom.com it's a win-win? 22:25:19 <welshdragon> Bjarni, do that and i complain 22:25:23 <welshdragon> seriously 22:26:25 <welshdragon> Bjarni, and there are internet workarounds 22:26:40 <welshdragon> like mibbit and the client on tt-forums.net 22:28:23 <Bjarni> I'm not seriously considering banning a whole town 22:28:35 <Bjarni> unless I have a really good reason to do so 22:30:47 <welshdragon> Bjarni, also: i may end up using the same IP as Sacro 22:31:52 <welshdragon> but in any case, if you did happ to ban kcom.com i would 22:31:59 <welshdragon> log in on my phone 22:32:29 <GT> Though I'm usually compiling OTTD myself, I was just updating my Gentoo installation, and found out that all OTTD packages in Gentoo are masked (=not available) due to a security bug in older versions, or no ebuilds present of newer versions. So that means that 'normal' people, not willing to compile OTTD themselves cannot get OTTD on Gentoo. That made me wonder: is it available in other Linux distributions, and is an effort made actively to get OTTD in Linux distr 22:32:31 <Sacro> Bjarni: CITY 22:33:03 <welshdragon> Sacro, indeed, hull has a uni 22:33:12 * welshdragon forgot about that 22:33:23 <Sacro> eh? 22:33:34 <Bjarni> Sacro: if Hull is a city how come you is a village idiot? 22:33:35 <glx> GT: blame gentoo for not providing a recent openttd 22:34:01 <Sacro> GT: ArchLinux has openttd stable in the community repo, and there are PKGBUILDs available for -svn and -beta 22:35:48 <GT> glx: dunno how it works: do we have to offer them an ebuild, or do the Gentoo guys develop that? 22:36:06 <glx> dunno 22:37:35 <GT> Just think it's bad that it's not available, maybe the OTTD community should actively take action to be included in various distro's 22:38:10 <GT> Sacro: 10 points for ArchLinux 22:38:23 <GT> :-P 22:42:47 *** welshdragon [~vista@host86-145-214-136.range86-145.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:51:14 <GT> pom pom 22:52:58 <glx> GT: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=233929 and http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=215776 (not really our fault ;) ) 22:55:09 *** welshdragon [~vista@host86-145-214-136.range86-145.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 22:58:46 <TrueBrain> Buffer overflow in src/openttd.cpp in OpenTTD before 0.6.2 allows 22:58:46 <TrueBrain> local users to execute arbitrary code via a large filename supplied to 22:58:46 <TrueBrain> the "-g" parameter in the ttd_main function. NOTE: it is unlikely 22:58:46 <TrueBrain> that this issue would cross privilege boundaries in typical 22:58:46 <TrueBrain> environments. 22:58:47 <TrueBrain> LOL! 22:58:52 <TrueBrain> worst problem evah!!!! :p 22:59:07 <TrueBrain> sorry, it always amazes me what people mark as CVE 23:00:42 <GT> Yeah, agreed, this really is not a problem (when you trust your local users), but does get the package masked. 23:03:13 <GT> glx: nice to see it's reported at least, but OTTD seems to be masked for a year or so in my perception, maybe we should start voting to get a little priority. 23:04:07 *** Capn_Frink is now known as Prof_Frink 23:06:07 <TrueBrain> GT: when I have the time, I plan on making a layman overlay for Gentoo 23:06:14 <TrueBrain> so people don't have to bother about Gentoo policy 23:07:27 *** Volley [~worf@84-119-46-6.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:08:05 <GT> That would be cool, but take your time, I'm capable of compiling OTTD myself, just think it should be available to people that are not. 23:09:03 <TrueBrain> and I agree :) 23:09:15 <TrueBrain> if you feel like it, feel free to create such layman overlay ;) 23:09:33 <TrueBrain> I am going to find my bed 23:09:34 <TrueBrain> night! 23:09:39 <GT> CU! 23:23:39 *** Sacro_ [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 23:23:41 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:26:51 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a46ad5.virnxx14.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:33:14 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 23:34:19 *** Czeko [~Czeko@189.157.132.94] has joined #openttd 23:34:45 <roboboy> fixing a problem with mibbit 23:34:54 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has left #openttd [] 23:34:54 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 23:35:05 <Czeko> Hello, are you there ammler? 23:38:41 <Czeko> i made a mexican town names .grf but only was able to list 255 names... does somebody know how can i add more? 23:39:30 <Czeko> also, this .grf is already funcional (without the full list thought), and i was wondering how to upload it to grfcrawler... 23:39:48 <Czeko> somebody else may find it useful :-) 23:47:46 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 23:51:58 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:51:58 *** Zorni [zorn@e177227255.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 23:54:08 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5F187.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 23:55:59 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F34A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:57:02 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:59:22 *** Zorn [zorn@e177224082.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]