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00:00:38 <Ammler> maybe they like to provide warranty? 00:00:41 <TinoDidriksen> Isn't that part of the GPL itself? Pretty sure there's such a section further in it. 00:01:08 <Tekky> Tino: yes, it is.... 00:01:38 <TinoDidriksen> Indeed. Section 11 and 12 is that disclaimer. 00:02:05 <Tekky> but section 1 requires an additional "conspicuous" dislaimer. 00:02:10 <Tekky> dislaimer = disclaimer 00:02:13 <Ammler> means, you cant sold GPL software with warranty? 00:02:27 <Tekky> Ammler: no, you can.... 00:02:41 *** Zorni [zorn@e177239034.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:03:01 <TinoDidriksen> Conspicious is legal terms for UPPER CASE...it's required to stand out from the normal text, basically. 00:03:27 <TinoDidriksen> Plain texts use UPPER CASE, rich texts use bold face or similar. 00:05:53 <Ammler> good developers give their software WITH warranty, not? 00:06:15 <Ammler> so disclaimer should ususally not be needed. 00:06:20 <TinoDidriksen> One would think so, but it is very very rare to find warranty on software. 00:06:56 *** Sacro_ [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 00:07:07 <TinoDidriksen> Software simply has too many factors for misbehavior to make warranty worth it. Insurance companies would faint... 00:07:09 <ln> Not showing a disclaimer of warranty is a kind of strange requirement... If you don't, who is going to sue whom? 00:07:29 <ln> OTTD team sues OTTD team? 00:07:47 <TinoDidriksen> The requirement is to show a disclaimer of warranty. 00:07:57 <TinoDidriksen> Or a warranty. 00:07:58 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@147.251.215.232] has quit [Quit: Quit] 00:08:18 <TinoDidriksen> But one is in the GPL, so that's taken care of by default. 00:08:31 <ln> Errr.. Yes, that's what I meant, although wrote the opposite. (A disguise.) 00:08:46 <Ammler> and what is the default? 00:08:55 <Ammler> disclaimer of warranty? 00:08:56 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:09:15 <TinoDidriksen> Yeah 00:09:23 <Ammler> sad 00:09:32 <TinoDidriksen> I actually don't know of any software that has warranty... 00:09:56 <Ammler> that implies that "default" dev makes bad code. 00:09:59 <ln> Purely theoretically, *who* could sue OTTD team for the fact that they don't show a disclaimer despite required to do so by GPL? 00:10:19 <TinoDidriksen> Devs of grfcodec could. 00:10:32 *** elmex [~elmex@e180064185.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:11:14 <Ammler> TinoDidriksen: http://juhui.ch/typo3/ <-- "Warranty is supplied by Jud Informatik+Grafik GmbH..." 00:11:15 <ln> Mmm.. Why not. 00:11:40 <Ammler> I guess, it is quite usual for paid software, isn't? 00:12:41 <TinoDidriksen> There's service contracts, uptime contracts, and all such things, but not actual warranty. 00:13:04 <Ammler> well, we fixed software bugs for free mostly. 00:13:08 <TinoDidriksen> Typo3 doesn't specify what warranty they have, just that they have some... 00:14:09 <Ammler> it isn't give by TYPO3, it is the web developer who gives warranty. 00:14:40 <Ammler> TYPO3 != Jud Grafik+Internet 00:15:17 <TinoDidriksen> They probably mean backup service then. 00:15:49 <peter1138> Ammler's clearly on another planet. 00:15:54 <Ammler> :-) 00:17:01 <Ammler> peter1138: don't you supply warranty for your work? 00:18:04 <TinoDidriksen> Warranty implies liability for bugs, which simply does not happen in software - dev houses will fix bugs, but they damn well won't pay if a bug wipes data. 00:18:41 <Ammler> also Dell won't do that, if I lost my data, they just give me a new HD 00:19:55 *** fjb_ [~frank@p5485D949.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:20:55 <TinoDidriksen> E.g., given the wrong parameters, OTTD could format your hdd despite that not being part of the documented behavior. Warranty would imply that you're liable for such a malfunction - but you have no way to prevent it as you can't control the environment OTTD runs in 100%. 00:21:34 <Ammler> warranty can't include such things 00:21:43 <Ammler> quite obvious 00:22:22 <TinoDidriksen> You'd be amazed...USA litigation happy people can find you liable for damn near anything unless you disclaim almost any and all warranty. 00:23:44 *** fjb [~frank@p5485DCA2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:24:51 <Ammler> :-) 00:26:33 *** Phantasm [ghost@hack.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:29:50 <TinoDidriksen> Writing code good enough to stand against that would be quite something...and slow with all the extra checks you'd have to make. 00:32:58 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B772A1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 00:33:19 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B75DD2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:35:17 *** [demi]Xerres [~Mewes@d-206-53-71-234.cpe.metrocast.net] has joined #openttd 00:35:17 *** Xerres [~Mewes@d-206-53-71-234.cpe.metrocast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:35:48 *** Sacro_ [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: leaving] 00:39:52 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-111-36.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [Quit: Caught sigterm, terminating...] 00:42:30 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-0-83-170.leed.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 00:50:27 *** Phantasm [ghost@hack.fi] has joined #openttd 00:57:25 *** Morloth [~bram@ip503cbc92.speed.planet.nl] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 01:09:04 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 01:10:32 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 01:12:46 <roboboy> fixing a problem with mibbit 01:12:46 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has left #openttd [] 01:12:46 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 01:13:51 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has left #openttd [] 01:13:58 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 01:15:21 *** Tekky [~chatzilla@p5493E539.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0.1/2008070208]] 01:20:17 *** fjb_ is now known as fjb 01:33:26 *** sulai4511 [~Miranda@p5B2B6213.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:33:43 *** grumbel [~grumbel@i577B9D10.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Client exiting] 01:40:36 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-145-079.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: und weg] 01:59:37 *** fjb [~frank@p5485D949.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 02:17:25 *** Sir-Bob [~chatzilla@c114-76-62-29.eburwd4.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 02:27:42 <Belugas> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=39708 <-- there we are... press a button and look at the game do it all for you 02:27:48 <Belugas> baaaahhh 02:32:08 <roboboy> stupid person 02:33:01 * roboboy wonders if he should post his suggestion for taxis that he once posted a few years ago in (he thinks) TTDPatch suggestions 02:34:03 <roboboy> if I have pengfx and the original grfs, will openttd ask me on startup which to use even if the md5 on the orriginal grfs arent right? 02:36:26 <Belugas> no 02:36:37 <Belugas> it is not a switch matter 02:36:53 <Belugas> it is still programmed to have original grfs as defaults 02:40:06 *** Gekz_ [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:43:25 <roboboy> ok 02:43:46 <roboboy> even though my copies do not have the correct md5? 02:48:02 <Belugas> what does it has to do with opengfx? 02:48:33 <Belugas> the fact that your original grfs fail at md5 tests means they have been tempered 02:48:52 <Belugas> that's all 02:49:38 <Belugas> the system will not say..."ho my god! wrong files... quick, check to see if we have opengfx nearby. We do? Cooll!! screw the original then" 02:50:37 <Belugas> it's rather "WARNING! WARNING! WARNING! YOUR ORIGINAL FILES ARE NOT VIRGINAL (or tempered if you do not like the word)" 02:50:41 <Belugas> but that's it 02:52:02 <Belugas> bed time now 02:56:59 *** xsak [~xsak@125.164.253.188] has joined #openttd 03:00:32 <xsak> hi all 03:02:12 *** letto [~letto@86.120.69.10] has joined #openttd 03:08:28 *** svippy [~svip@0x50a5b150.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 03:15:37 *** svip [~svip@0x50a5b150.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:21:38 *** xsak [~xsak@125.164.253.188] has left #openttd [] 03:23:53 <roboboy> ok 03:25:56 <roboboy> do trailers on artic rvs get counted as rvs towards your rv count? 03:33:12 *** Dr_Jekyll [Dr_Jekyll@p57B0F7FC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:34:07 *** Dr_Jekyll [Dr_Jekyll@p57B0FBD3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 03:34:48 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 03:37:13 *** Dr_Jekyll [Dr_Jekyll@p57B0FBD3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 03:40:00 *** Dr_Jekyll [Dr_Jekyll@p57B0FBD3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 03:41:09 *** Dr_Jekyll [Dr_Jekyll@p57B0FBD3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 03:43:08 *** Dr_Jekyll [Dr_Jekyll@p57B0FBD3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 04:10:34 *** Osai^zZz is now known as Osai 04:15:24 *** Dr_Jekyll [Dr_Jekyll@p57B0FBD3.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 05:27:47 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a46ad5.virnxx14.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 05:27:50 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 05:29:21 <Forked> mooornin 05:58:00 *** grim4593 [~grim@d14-69-223-171.try.wideopenwest.com] has joined #openttd 06:02:33 <jpm> mo 06:16:58 *** peter1138 [~peter@svn.bucks.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:20:48 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 06:22:47 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:23:13 *** nekx [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 06:46:29 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 06:59:17 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5E224.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 07:19:29 *** mikl [~mikl@cpe.ge-0-2-0-812.0x50c774be.boanqu1.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 07:28:05 <ln> a morning-Bjarni! 07:35:08 *** Celestar [~Jadzia_Da@129.187.69.65] has joined #openttd 07:35:11 *** mode/#openttd [+o Celestar] by ChanServ 07:38:31 <Phantasm> Belugas: Well, yes and no. With the given lines of OpenTTD intending to deliver the original TTD behaviour enchanced, but not really changing anything other than clear bugs, the fix is proper. However, the original behaviour (in 256x256 map) might not be so perfect... ;P 07:45:33 <Phantasm> Belugas: Power stations never shutting down is quite strange... Also banks should somewhat shut down at times as well, but overally their number could just go up, depending on town sizes. And then lies the question.. Should the original industry count be the unserved balance or not. Well, of course the game doesn't really show the real case as at start there is no transportation whatsoever going, even though plenty existed at that time. While, serving most ... 07:45:39 <Phantasm> ... industries can effectively make the number of industries grow higher as the amount of dying industries doesn't matter on the amount of new industries. And then there are plenty of different aspects to think about etc... Anyway, that is about what OpenTTD is wanted to be instead of bug. Anyway, the clear bug part is fixed. 07:59:35 *** peter1138 [~peter@svn.bucks.net] has joined #openttd 07:59:37 *** mode/#openttd [+o peter1138] by ChanServ 08:04:43 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-111-36.fttx.bbned.nl] has joined #openttd 08:09:59 <Eddi|zuHause2> # Guten Morgen, liebe Sorgen, seid ihr auch schon alle da 08:10:16 <Eddi|zuHause2> # habt ihr auch so gut geschlafen? Na dan ist ja alles klar 08:12:15 <Eddi|zuHause2> # Wieso hab ich eigentlich noch das Steuer in der Hand 08:12:35 <Eddi|zuHause2> # nn, nn. Das wird in Engelskreisen "Harfe" genannt 08:22:07 <ln> # nunstuck Slottermeyer 08:34:44 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-115-192.prem.tmns.net.au] has joined #openttd 08:38:02 *** thingwath [~thingwath@morana.sks2.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 08:43:19 <Bjarni> Eddi|zuHause2: I didn't sleep well so it's not a good morning 08:43:29 <Bjarni> which means you are talking garbage :P 08:43:30 *** elmex [~elmex@e180067075.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 08:43:57 <Eddi|zuHause2> no, that's the meaning of the song, the "troubles" didn't sleep well either, the "good" is meant ironic :p 08:45:23 <Bjarni> whatever 08:45:51 <Bjarni> you expect me to catch ironic stuff in German on a busy morning after I had problems sleeping? 08:46:11 <Bjarni> or rather I woke up too early and couldn't fall asleep again >_< 08:46:33 <peter1138> 00:59 CTCP TIME reply from peter1138: Fri Dec 27 00:59:21 2002 08:46:36 <peter1138> Stupid computer :P 08:46:49 <peter1138> ntpdate[2978]: step time server 84.246.155.137 offset 181208821.318639 sec 08:46:50 <peter1138> :D 08:46:54 <grim4593> wow 08:47:09 <Bjarni> a computer is not any more clever than whoever coded it 08:47:26 <Eddi|zuHause2> except it gets conscious 08:48:07 <Bjarni> I was once assigned to fixing a computer. It reset the clock every time it was turned off. It turned out to be a dead battery but nobody would pay for a new one 08:48:08 <Eddi|zuHause2> and then turns into skynet 08:48:34 <Bjarni> so I scripted that it should update from a timeserver in the boot process 08:48:34 <ln> another school shooting going on in finland 08:49:11 <Bjarni> ln: if you drop the gun and run away now, then there is a chance that they can't track you down 08:49:23 <ln> Bjarni: i'm serious 08:49:29 <Bjarni> oh 08:49:32 <Bjarni> that's bad 08:50:34 <Eddi|zuHause2> it'll turn out that the guy played "killer games" such as "the sims" and "blobby volley"... 08:50:53 <Bjarni> what's blobby volley? 08:51:11 <Bjarni> btw I read that you can kill people in the sims 08:51:11 <ln> http://uk.youtube.com/user/Wumpscut86 08:51:14 <Eddi|zuHause2> what it sounds like... playing volley ball with a blob :p 08:52:01 <Bjarni> or maybe even a game somebody at campus introduced me to "boom boom volleyball" 08:52:15 <Bjarni> it's volleyball with a bomb 08:52:32 <Bjarni> and if you do great you get the secret password to make the players topless 08:53:57 <Eddi|zuHause2> hm... i should mask my ip better... all those "meet girls from your area" ads are less than 50km off my real location... 08:56:31 <Bjarni> hehe 08:56:31 <Bjarni> I get those too once in a while 08:56:31 <Bjarni> sometimes they are 10 km away 08:56:31 <Bjarni> and sometimes they are 500 km away 08:56:31 *** Volley [~worf@84-119-46-6.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #openttd 08:56:31 <Bjarni> boom boom.... 08:56:31 <Eddi|zuHause2> 500km? denmark is not even that big :p 08:56:31 <Bjarni> that's my point 08:56:31 <Bjarni> I once got girls from my local area.... in New York 08:56:31 <Eddi|zuHause2> no... it was never much more than 50km away... 08:56:31 *** grim|away [~grim@d14-69-223-171.try.wideopenwest.com] has joined #openttd 08:56:31 <Bjarni> surprisingly those girls appear to live both in New York, Germany, England and Denmark 08:56:31 <Bjarni> they sure get around 08:56:31 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad3486b.bb.sky.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:57:25 <Bjarni> btw we spoke of catenary voltage the other day 08:57:32 <Celestar> 15kV :) 08:57:37 <Bjarni> and how EU wants 25 kV@50 Hz 08:57:49 <Bjarni> hello Celestar 08:58:30 <Celestar> Bjarni: the EU has actually AGREED on something?! 08:58:38 <Bjarni> http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/EF81 <-- here is the solution. A working dualvoltage locomotive and since they are still used after 40 years I guess they work 08:58:45 <Forked> they agree on screwing Norway over as much as possible 08:58:51 <Bjarni> too bad the page isn't available in English >_< 08:59:09 <Bjarni> Forked: they agree on screwing everybody as much as possible 09:00:09 <Bjarni> I still think the "best" idea they came up with was banning food production in Finland 09:00:31 <Bjarni> Spain wanted Finland to import more food from warmer countries 09:00:35 <Bjarni> go figure 09:00:51 <Bjarni> they didn't agree on that one though 09:02:40 <Bjarni> EU agreed on one thing: EU is democracy, so if you are against EU, then you are against democracy 09:03:18 *** grim4593 [~grim@d14-69-223-171.try.wideopenwest.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:03:41 <Bjarni> so in order to make more democracy EU decided not to have an election for the Lisbon treaty. Those people who wanted an election went against democracy 09:03:48 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad3486b.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 09:03:52 <Forked> :-) 09:04:13 <Forked> we usually get the "and if you don't ... we'll stop bying your fish!" line 09:05:24 <Bjarni> when Denmark joined in 1972 it was based on an election where the yes campaign used posters with insane pricetags of what food would cost if we voted no 09:06:12 <Eddi|zuHause2> well... each time a democratical election was held, the supposedly superior party (=EU) horribly lost 09:06:16 <Eddi|zuHause2> we had this before 09:06:32 <Bjarni> people voted yes because they thought of it as an election of if people should be allowed to get enough food 09:06:32 <Eddi|zuHause2> then they made DDR only democratical by name :p 09:06:59 <peter1138> :o 09:07:07 <peter1138> $ mail -f someuser'smailbox 09:07:17 <peter1138> fseek: Invalid argument 09:07:17 <peter1138> panic: temporary file seek 09:07:17 <peter1138> Segmentation fault 09:09:59 <Celestar> :O 09:10:07 <Celestar> nice error 09:13:09 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad3486b.bb.sky.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:13:16 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad3486b.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 09:16:25 <Celestar> Bjarni: well, 25kV@50Hz is the most sensible solution imho 09:18:56 <Celestar> it's the most commonly used system 09:20:41 <Bjarni> yeah 09:20:59 <Bjarni> and it's the highest voltage used in Europe 09:21:22 <Bjarni> meaning power loss in the wires will be the lowest (compared to the other systems( 09:21:28 <Bjarni> *) 09:21:33 <Celestar> yeah 09:21:59 <Bjarni> since power loss/meter depends on I^2, while it's independent from voltage 09:22:21 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad3486b.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:22:24 <Celestar> well the ICE3M can use 15kV, 16.7Hz; 15kV, 50 Hz; 25kV, 50 Hz, 1.5kV DC, 3kV DC.... 09:22:43 <Bjarni> also you can make a system where the distance between transformers is greater 09:23:02 <ln> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7630969.stm 09:23:21 <Celestar> but the ICE3M has no less than 6 Pantographs :P 09:24:01 <Bjarni> did you see the wikipedia link I posted earlier 09:24:03 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g226207082.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 09:24:06 <Celestar> Dutch ICE3M with a bored driver: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f8/ICE_3M_KRM.jpg 09:24:47 <Bjarni> that's about a locomotive with two pantographs. Both pantographs works with 1,5kV and 20kV (I never knew anybody used 20kV) 09:25:10 <Bjarni> 1,5kV needs both since the current is too high for just one pantograph (it will melt) 09:26:01 <Celestar> Bjarni: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siemens_ES_64_F4 <= single locomotive, quad system. 09:26:29 <Bjarni> I don't know what's best: different pantographs or voltage switches on the roof to make all voltages use the same pantograph 09:27:27 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-0-83-170.leed.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 09:27:41 <Celestar> and having 4 systems in a single locomotive is not bad 09:27:50 <Brianetta> My server has faulty trains enabled 09:28:04 <Brianetta> I joined to spectate for a bit 09:28:13 <Brianetta> and it looked like every single train was broken down 09:28:21 <Brianetta> The one that wasn't, did as I watched 09:28:30 <Forked> I'd ask for my money back =p 09:28:42 <Brianetta> peter1138 requested reduced breakdowns 09:28:51 <Brianetta> seriously, what's high breakdowns like? 09:28:58 <Brianetta> Do trains ever get past the platform end? 09:29:20 <peter1138> Brianetta, it was late in the game, and lots of stuff had closed down. 09:29:22 <Bjarni> Brianetta: high breakdown means all vehicles breaks down all the time if they never reach a depot ;) 09:29:38 <peter1138> Therefore there were a lot of vehicles stuck doing nothing and not getting serviced, and also they were old models. 09:29:49 <peter1138> So of course they'll break down :) 09:29:59 <Brianetta> I've been on plenty of old trains 09:30:43 <Eddi|zuHause2> 99% reliability should mean something like 1% chance to break down during a year 09:31:00 <Brianetta> To this day, I have never, ever been on a train that broke down 09:31:05 <Celestar> I have 09:31:08 <Celestar> several times 09:31:09 <Bjarni> I have 09:31:18 <peter1138> They were probably serviced too :) 09:31:24 <peter1138> Brianetta, will you update to 0.6.3-RC1 ? 09:31:36 <Bjarni> it drove 300 meters and then we were stuck for more than an hour 09:31:40 <Eddi|zuHause2> i have been on a train that was late because it broke down 09:31:41 <Brianetta> I've also never been half way to London to suddenly find the train in the depot, up on jacks 09:32:00 <Brianetta> peter1138: Didin't know it existed. 09:32:05 <Bjarni> eventually we returned to the platform and got a new train 09:32:24 <peter1138> Anyway, the reaction to breakdowns was certainly mixed. Either "Yay, a challenge", or "Oh God not breakdowns" 09:32:42 <Brianetta> If they were less frequent we wouldn't mind 09:32:49 <Celestar> hm 09:32:56 <Eddi|zuHause2> i have seen trams break down quite a number of times 09:33:05 * Celestar wonders how many cities have normal gauge trams 09:33:17 <Eddi|zuHause2> which is very unfortunate, as the following trams have no possibility to overtake 09:33:18 <Brianetta> I regularly travel on ageing Pacers and, of course, the HST. Being old doesn't mean it keeps conking out. 09:33:28 <peter1138> Brianetta, it was released last night, so it's not surprising you didn't know :) 09:33:44 <Eddi|zuHause2> Celestar: i'd say about 50% of those that have trams at all 09:33:45 <Brianetta> peter1138: I probably will, because of the desync issues 09:33:51 <Bjarni> Copenhagen and Odense (both in Denmark) used to have standard gauge trams. However they were closed since politicians wanted everybody to get cars instead 09:34:03 <peter1138> It would be a good test to see if everything's really fixed :) 09:34:54 <peter1138> I was watching a YouTube clip the other day where an American pronounced it "Copen-hay-gen". 09:36:04 <Bjarni> how would you say it? 09:36:10 <peter1138> I don't know :o 09:36:33 <Bjarni> o_O 09:36:40 <Brianetta> That's the English pronunciation 09:36:46 <Bjarni> I know how to say London 09:36:49 <Brianetta> Like Cologne for Köln 09:36:50 <Celestar> Bjarni: that's smart. 09:37:02 <Bjarni> so the least you could do is to be able to tell the name of my capital 09:37:25 <Celestar> Munich also tries to get people into cars, especially the Greens. They are against the construction of new subways. 09:37:40 <Brianetta> In fact, English speakers pretty much murder Germanic city names 09:37:52 <Brianetta> MÃŒnchen (: 09:37:55 <Brianetta> Small munch 09:38:01 <Celestar> er? 09:38:05 <Brianetta> Nibble 09:38:07 <Bjarni> lol 09:38:14 <Celestar> MÃŒnchen comes from Mönch, which means Monk :P 09:38:28 <Brianetta> Yeah, I know the ch was part of the diminutive (: 09:38:28 <Bjarni> you are a monk? 09:39:01 <Bjarni> :p 09:39:51 <Celestar> Bjarni: I don't live _in_ Munich 09:39:58 <Celestar> I live in a small suburb. 09:40:06 <Celestar> which is actually about 3000 years old 09:40:11 <Eddi|zuHause2> <Brianetta> Like Cologne for Köln <- the romans screwed that one up :p 09:40:27 <peter1138> Gah, hungry already. 09:40:47 <Brianetta> Eddi: We're still guilty of being invaded by Normans, who all stopped speaking Norse in favour of French before invading. Buggers. 09:40:58 <Celestar> yeah 09:41:00 <Celestar> hm.. 09:41:18 <Bjarni> Norse is way easier to understand 09:41:18 <Celestar> Tracking employees with RFID-tags .. nice technique (= 09:41:45 <Brianetta> [10:41] <Bjarni> Norse is way easier to understand 09:41:45 <Brianetta> ...says the man with a j in his name! 09:42:02 <Eddi|zuHause2> i have a J in my name :p 09:42:06 <Bjarni> Brianetta: ??? 09:42:23 <Brianetta> A J like that is *extremely* north European 09:42:34 <Bjarni> Bjarni is actually a perfectly valid name in Norse 09:42:36 <peter1138> "Bjarni" is apparently pronounced how it's written. 09:42:41 <Doorslammer> Jeddi? 09:43:07 *** Eddi|zuHause2 is now known as Eddi|zuHause 09:43:08 <Brianetta> Doorslammer: which bit of "like that" puzzled you? 09:43:22 <Doorslammer> You'd be surprised how much :P 09:43:30 <Brianetta> (: 09:43:53 <Doorslammer> Bah, surprise badger and away etc. 09:43:54 <Brianetta> Bjarni: That's the point - it was pretty much obvious you'd find Norse easier to understand than French. 09:44:00 <Bjarni> I think it will be easy to be confused if you walk with your head the wrong way all the time 09:44:21 <Doorslammer> I walk into many lampposts 09:44:58 <Bjarni> that's not because you have your head the wrong way 09:45:04 <Bjarni> that's because you are drunk :P 09:45:05 <Doorslammer> Ah 09:45:09 <Brianetta> Doorslammer's nick reminds me of what I missed last time I went to Victoria Station to visit my grandmother 09:45:09 <Doorslammer> Lies 09:45:23 <Bjarni> drugs? 09:45:33 <Doorslammer> It's a shame my nick has absolutely nothing to do with trains but... :P 09:45:43 <Brianetta> You could always tell if you were late for your train by the door slamming rate. It tailed off just before departure. 09:45:50 <Doorslammer> Fits nicely though 09:46:03 <Brianetta> Now they're pneumatic plug doors. )-: 09:46:13 <Gekz> our slam 09:46:14 <TinoDidriksen> By Norse do you mean Norwegian? 'cause Old Norse is rather different. 09:46:15 <Gekz> ours* 09:46:25 <Gekz> I hate the clunk sound of missed train 09:46:31 <Gekz> and the fact another doesnt come for an ohur 09:46:32 <Gekz> hour* 09:46:44 *** Doorslammer is now known as PlugDoor 09:46:44 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 09:46:49 <Bjarni> TinoDidriksen: actually I meant the real thing and it's closer to Icelandic than Norwegian ;) 09:46:56 <PlugDoor> Doesnt have a nice ring to it does it? :S 09:47:11 *** PlugDoor is now known as Doorslammer 09:47:38 <TinoDidriksen> 'cause Iceland has kept it whereas the other Norse nations have allowed influence. 09:48:01 <Gekz> Icelandic is archaic 09:48:02 <Gekz> >_> 09:48:08 <Bjarni> what? 09:48:19 <Doorslammer> Interesting to note Norse had a big influence on the Hebrides and other Scottish isles 09:48:37 <Bjarni> not to mention Scottish itself 09:48:45 <Brianetta> They did so enjoy invading 09:48:47 <Bjarni> it's quite interesting to watch Scottish TV 09:49:07 <Eddi|zuHause> icelanders had centuries worth of inbreeding, no wonder why the language was not affected by outside influence :p 09:49:30 <Brianetta> I live in Newcastle, which was routinely raided by the Danish, until at one point they just decided it was a bit far for plundering and set up a government. 09:49:40 <Brianetta> Danelaw was born. 09:50:18 <Bjarni> I know an old guy from Jutland. He went to London and started to speak with some girls in a pub (in Danish). His son noticed and walked up to them and told that it was his father and asked if they could understand them 09:50:21 <Brianetta> That lasted longer than you'd imagine. We still have a Danish community. 09:50:29 *** Tim [83dc24d7@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 09:50:36 <Bjarni> they had to confess they had problems understanding him because they were not that good at Scottish 09:51:01 <Brianetta> It's yer Rs 09:51:05 <Brianetta> Yer talk like a pirate 09:51:11 *** Sir-Bob [~chatzilla@c114-76-62-29.eburwd4.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:51:24 <Doorslammer> Stop talking about Rses :O 09:51:38 <Bjarni> ok 09:51:45 <Bjarni> it's talk about Gs 09:51:51 <Brianetta> Gsus 09:52:06 <Noldo> that 09:52:12 <Noldo> 's a chord isn't it? 09:52:27 <Bjarni> hmm 09:52:28 <Brianetta> It's also an exclamation 09:52:42 <Bjarni> they arrested the school shooter in Finland and now ln is gone 09:52:43 <TinoDidriksen> The really-east-UK people can mostly talk to the really-west-DK people without translating. 09:53:01 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5ad3835c.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:53:02 <Brianetta> TinoDidriksen: An exaggeration. Beer *is* required. 09:53:21 <TinoDidriksen> Beer is always required. 09:53:22 <Bjarni> I don't think so 09:53:38 <Gekz> Bjarni: Icelandic in 900a19:32 < winvirus> but to be honest all my AMD machines have ATI video cards...ACCEPT my athlon 09:53:42 <Gekz> Fucking. 09:53:42 *** fjb [~frank@p5485D949.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:53:47 <Gekz> Icelandic in 900AD 09:53:49 <fjb> Hello 09:53:50 <Gekz> is teh same as Icelandic now 09:53:52 <Gekz> basically 09:53:56 <Gekz> with added words 09:54:04 <Gekz> ie, you can read 1100 year old scripts 09:54:06 <Brianetta> like "Internet" and "lolcat" 09:54:06 <Bjarni> the grammar is a bit different 09:54:17 <Gekz> a bit 09:54:50 <TinoDidriksen> Because they've kept it that way intentionally. They're proud of their language and heritage. 09:54:50 <Gekz> not as much as say, middle english to english 09:54:50 <Gekz> modern english* 09:54:50 <Brianetta> Middle English is foreign to me. 09:54:52 <Gekz> it's foreign to most 09:54:53 <Tim> One question about the development-logic: Does it work like "0.6.2 is released, then it is being further developed (nightlys) and at some point called 0.7" or is it "0.6.2 is being developed, while the nightly branch is being developed too. 0.6.x is only being bugfixed, and at some time, alle the new features of the trunk are merged into 0.6.x and then 0.7. is released"??? 09:54:54 <Brianetta> It's practically old German 09:55:08 <Brianetta> Tim: The latter. 09:55:24 <Brianetta> except no merging to 0.6.x 09:55:33 <Brianetta> trunk *becomes* 0.7 09:55:50 <Tim> The nightlys become 0.7? 09:56:02 <Gekz> he just said that. 09:56:05 <Brianetta> Nightlies, no; they're simply snapshots of trunk 09:56:08 <TinoDidriksen> Old branches remain stagnant. 09:56:10 <Brianetta> trunk as it is at 8pm each night 09:56:11 <Tim> well, okay 09:56:23 <Brianetta> trunk will be 0.7, then 0.8, then evenrually 1.0 09:56:32 <Brianetta> 0.6.0 was a trunk release 09:56:35 <Gekz> there will be no 0.9 09:56:41 <Brianetta> 0.6.1 was 0.6.0 with backported bug fixes 09:56:46 <blathijs> rather, at some time trunk is branched to 0.7, which receives bugfixes only for some time (while releasing RC versions) until the final 0.7.0 is released 09:56:51 <Tim> So 0.6.3 is only being released so there is a very stable 0.6.x - release, but has nothing to do with the further development of the game towards 0.7? 09:57:01 <blathijs> Tim: Yes 09:57:09 <Tim> Okay... 09:57:10 <Brianetta> It's feature-frozen 09:57:11 <Tim> :) 09:57:19 <Brianetta> but it has some nasty multiplayer bugs 09:57:36 <blathijs> Tim: 0.x.0 are the only releases with new features now, 0.x.n are always bugfix-only 09:57:41 <Brianetta> and since 0.7 will be a good while yet, that means there isn't technically a really stable release (: 09:57:59 <TinoDidriksen> That's the sane way of doing it, or you end up with actual forks every release. 09:58:07 <blathijs> Brianetta: Bugs with no fixes we can backport, or? 09:58:10 <Brianetta> cp: cannot create regular file `/home/autopilot/openttd-svn/bin/openttd': Text file busy 09:58:10 <Brianetta> Arse. 09:58:17 <Brianetta> blathijs: 0.6.3-RC1 is out 09:58:31 <Gekz> lol release candidate for bugfux 09:58:34 <Brianetta> Can't build openttd whilst the game's running 09:58:35 <Tim> Okay, thanks for clearing this up :) 09:59:04 * Brianetta unlinks openttd from the FS 09:59:07 <Brianetta> That should do it. 09:59:20 <Brianetta> Good job this isn't Windows 09:59:41 <Ammler> Brianetta: run the game somewhere else then ./bin 09:59:49 <Brianetta> In Windows, if a file's in use you can't do a thing with it. 09:59:56 <Brianetta> In Linux, you can just rm it. 09:59:59 <Brianetta> So I did. 10:00:22 <Brianetta> The file handles will continue to exists, and the file will be deallocated once they're all closed. 10:00:36 <Brianetta> In the mean time, I've built a new one. 10:01:46 <Eddi|zuHause> the question is, why doesn't the makefile do that in the first place 10:02:04 <TinoDidriksen> That's what make clean is for. 10:02:08 <Ammler> compatibility to windows? 10:02:26 <Brianetta> Ammler: No need. It runs cp; that's not a Windows prog. 10:02:30 <Brianetta> cp is what fails 10:02:34 <Brianetta> rm first would fix it 10:02:39 <Eddi|zuHause> TinoDidriksen: no, "clean" does not remove the binary, only the intermediate files, which is exactly NOT what he wanted 10:03:05 <TinoDidriksen> ...then your clean is not clean. 10:03:36 <Eddi|zuHause> clean never removes the binary... 10:03:39 <TinoDidriksen> A normal make does a minimum recompile and link, which has no need to delete files and should not since if no changes are in the source file it won't redo that one. 10:03:40 <Ammler> doesn't cp work with mingw? 10:04:10 <Eddi|zuHause> Ammler: this has absolutely nothing to do with windows compatibility 10:04:11 <Brianetta> If cp does, why not rm? 10:04:25 <Tim> And another question, just to entirely understand the development-logic: I know that there are branches such as CargoDest. Is it so, that the developers of those take the current trunk and "copy" it, and then start modifying it, and synchronize it from time to time to the changes which happenend in trunk? 10:04:43 <Ammler> you could also do cp -f 10:04:53 <Brianetta> Tim: They have a branch, and they modify it in the (sometimes forlorn) hope that it'll be merged with trunk. 10:05:10 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, Tim, that's what branches are 10:05:28 <Brianetta> Ammler: no 10:05:29 *** thingwath [~thingwath@morana.sks2.muni.cz] has quit [Quit: It's all over.] 10:05:31 <TinoDidriksen> And make clean does remove binaries normally. 10:05:31 <Brianetta> cp --remove-destination 10:05:31 <Ammler> we update our servers with "make bundle && cp bundle/* $GAMEDIR -Rf" 10:05:59 * Brianetta doesn't care 10:06:13 <Brianetta> I upgraded extremely rarely 10:06:28 <Brianetta> This one hiccough was fixed by removing one file 10:07:03 <Brianetta> I upgrade so rarely that it's common for the entire Makefile system to be completely changed each time anyway 10:07:19 <peter1138> Gekz: It would be embarrassing to release 0.6.3, and then have to release 0.6.4 a week later because something was missed. 10:07:45 <Eddi|zuHause> *cough* 0.4.0.1 *cough* 10:08:07 <Brianetta> If the post 0.9 branch still sin't considered done, you reckon there'll be a 0.10.0? 10:08:12 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5ad9f9d8.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 10:08:15 <Eddi|zuHause> *cough* 0.4.7 *cough* 10:08:52 <Brianetta> You could imagine the sinking hearts on the forum at that news 10:08:53 <Eddi|zuHause> Brianetta: 0.A :) 10:09:09 <Brianetta> "Now it's gone from 90% there to infinitesimally complete" 10:09:24 <blathijs> Brianetta: I don't think we've decided that yet :-) 10:09:27 <Gekz> lol 10:09:31 <Eddi|zuHause> wasn't wine in that state for like 2 years? 10:09:33 <Gekz> hexadecimal 10:09:39 <Eddi|zuHause> 0.99.something? 10:09:44 <Brianetta> 0.100.0 10:09:51 <Brianetta> It could go on and on 10:09:58 <Brianetta> "aargh it's not decimal" 10:10:25 <Celestar> Brianetta: 0.10.0 is a possibility 10:10:27 <Celestar> (= 10:10:54 <TinoDidriksen> Eh, just include the svn revision number in the version... 0.6.3.14302 or whatever. No doubt what's newer, but no need to bump version number as often. 10:11:05 <Celestar> hm ... 10:12:03 <Brianetta> That's just making lots of numbers 10:12:25 <Brianetta> If you're going to use the revision number, have r128733 for trunk and s127356 for stables 10:12:27 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@147.251.215.232] has joined #openttd 10:14:36 <Eddi|zuHause> TinoDidriksen: versions are already like that. e.g. when reporting to newgrfs 10:14:36 <Eddi|zuHause> take a look at rev.cpp.in 10:14:36 <TinoDidriksen> Svn revision numbers are unique across the repository. A number cannot be in both branches unless code was comitted to both in that revision. 10:15:31 <TinoDidriksen> I meant to get away from the 0.6.3-RC1 thing where you RC simpler bugfixes. 10:16:30 <Eddi|zuHause> TinoDidriksen: RCs will get a significantly higher amount of testers than just updates to 0.6 branch 10:16:38 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad923e0.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 10:17:23 <TinoDidriksen> Ah, psychology...well, fair 'nuff. I was thinking about developer sanity. 10:17:51 *** dfox [~dfox@r5cv134.net.upc.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:22:10 <Celestar> Now this is fun. The local train running from Ingolstadt to Nuremburg has a higher average speed that most ICE connections between two artibrary large cities in Germany :o 10:26:04 <Celestar> Munich-Berlin is about 100km/h average, Munich-Hamburg is about 120km/h average. 10:26:15 <Celestar> Ingoldstadt Nord to Nuremburg is 120km/h 10:26:17 <Celestar> 130* 10:26:20 <Gekz> lklkjlkjasdf;jlkjlkfsdjlk;asdjlkjlk;adfjlk;fasdlklkjasdlkasdnjklksdfnlksdfflklkjasdflk;sdfjlkasdflksdflkjsdfjlksdflkjfl;kjasdf;lkjadf 10:26:27 <Gekz> erm... 10:26:31 <Gekz> disregard. 10:26:45 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah... cat... we know the drill... 10:27:01 <Gekz> that was no cat. 10:27:03 <Gekz> that was me. 10:27:06 <Forked> headbanging! 10:27:10 <Gekz> but I pressed ctrl-j instead of ctrl-u 10:27:11 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a46ad5.virnxx14.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:36:18 *** grim|away [~grim@d14-69-223-171.try.wideopenwest.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:39:13 <peter1138> 0.14302 10:45:58 *** Celestar [~Jadzia_Da@129.187.69.65] has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:51:35 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:51:36 *** dfox [~dfox@r5cv134.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 10:55:11 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 10:55:20 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has left #openttd [] 10:55:26 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 10:55:51 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@147.251.215.232] has quit [Quit: Quit] 11:00:57 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 11:02:49 <Rubidium> TinoDidriksen: backports of bugfixes can be very tricky because the difference between trunk and the 0.6 branch 11:03:57 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has left #openttd [] 11:04:02 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 11:07:40 <TinoDidriksen> Wasn't about that. It does indeed need testing; I just consider x.y.z.r versioning to be more transparent and easier to work with as a developer. 11:08:49 <Rubidium> there isn't much difference between 0.6.3.12345 and 0.6.3-RC1 11:09:19 <Rubidium> only that the latter is more clear for people and that the former is used internally 11:15:02 <Ammler> is the testing release also from the compile farm? 11:15:20 <Rubidium> yup 11:15:38 <Ammler> nice :-) 11:15:58 <Rubidium> which made the release not much more than running two scripts and doing one commit 11:16:37 <Ammler> will futur stable also be from the farm? 11:16:45 <Ammler> e 11:16:50 <Rubidium> ofcourse 11:16:56 <Rubidium> that's why we made the thing 11:17:22 <Ammler> :-D 11:17:32 <roboboy> Can I suggest that the uninstallers text be changed to say that it is an uninstaller as it currently says installer. also I think the uninstaller should have a different icon to the games exe eg the normal icon with a no entry symbol on it or something to symbolise removal 11:17:43 <peter1138> We no longer have to wait for Bjarni to compile an OS X build, and then complain that his upload speed is so slow... 11:18:37 <Ammler> and now also your linux builds might be faster then those from packman suse 11:20:12 <Ammler> still no dedicated builds? 11:20:53 <Rubidium> dedicated builds were basically never used 11:21:15 <Ammler> I can remember someone asked for it for 0.6.2 11:22:22 <Ammler> not everyone likes to install the whole dev tools on his linux server... 11:22:36 <Ammler> (or is able to9 11:23:09 <Ammler> and as you can't run the full packs as dedicated... 11:23:21 <Rubidium> you can 11:23:29 <Ammler> don't you need SDL? 11:24:11 <Ammler> maybe I need to test that again... 11:24:36 <Brianetta> It used to work, but no longer 11:24:54 <Rubidium> that you might needs some libraries doesn't mean that the normal binary doesn't support to be run as dedicated server 11:24:56 <Brianetta> Now, if I try to run a binary I linked against SDL, it whines if I don't have the lib 11:25:09 <Brianetta> and my server doesn't have SDL at all 11:25:23 <Ammler> most server don't 11:25:26 <Ammler> have 11:26:10 <Eddi|zuHause> i presume installing sdl is less trouble than installing dev tools :p 11:26:26 <Brianetta> no 11:26:41 <Ammler> well, I would say optimal is installing dedicated build. 11:27:13 <Brianetta> There's no reason why you can't compile yourself a dedicated server on a machine other than the server itself. 11:27:42 <Ammler> that too :-) 11:30:02 <Rubidium> roboboy: as far as I can find out nsis has no support for setting the icon for the uninstaller 11:31:35 <roboboy> ok 11:33:52 <Ammler> maybe insead of packing the bundles in 3 different format (gzip,bzip2,zip), you could make a dedicated server. 11:33:55 <Ammler> instead 11:36:52 <Ammler> specially for archive, one (bzip2) would be enough, imo. 11:39:56 <Tim> At which time of day are the nightlys being compiled? 11:40:24 <Ammler> 18:00 UTC 11:40:53 <Ammler> at least trunk, dunno the others 11:40:56 <roboboy> Rubidium: http://nsis.sourceforge.net/Docs/Modern%20UI/Readme.html check this page out for info on NSIS modern user interface options 11:41:56 <roboboy> I tried building a nsis installer for TTDPatch and it worked but was not the best it could be 11:42:27 <Tim> thx 11:42:53 <Brianetta> peter1138: Think it's possible to put UK waypoints into my bundle? 11:43:41 <roboboy> Brianetta: did you turn breakdowns off on the restart? 11:43:51 <Brianetta> roboboy: I did 11:44:09 <Brianetta> Vehicles still expire, though 11:44:17 <Brianetta> but I've given them an additional 40 years each 11:44:48 <Brianetta> so your Deltics can still be bought in the late 1990s,etc 11:46:03 <Ammler> Brianetta: did you find a "replacment" for NewStations or did you remove it without? 11:46:35 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1E575.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:47:21 <roboboy> you server is sitting at paused and not letting me build 11:48:50 <Rubidium> roboboy: that doesn't talk about the uninstaller of icons 11:50:41 *** peter1138 [~peter@svn.bucks.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:50:50 <roboboy> if you click the interface settings button and then the page header icon, it should be there 11:52:21 <Rubidium> then find someone who's going to make an uninstaller icon 11:52:57 <Brianetta> roboboy: That pause thing seems to be a bug. 11:53:00 <Brianetta> Try rejoining. 11:53:04 <roboboy> ok 11:53:13 <Brianetta> min_players = 1 11:53:13 <Brianetta> Not much else I can tell it 11:56:09 <Brianetta> Ammler: I had plenty of stations; I just ditched newstatsw.grf 11:57:10 <Ammler> NewStations is not "just" a station grf, it is THE station grf :-) 11:57:27 <Brianetta> It no longer exists. 11:58:23 <Brianetta> Actually, I need ot do my banner graphic again 11:58:45 <Brianetta> since it has Blunck's work on it, and if he veer notices that he'll throw another hissy fit 11:59:04 <Ammler> :-) 11:59:22 <Ammler> well, you also need to replace the signals :-) 11:59:31 <Brianetta> why? 11:59:46 <Ammler> they are from him, iirc. 11:59:51 <Eddi|zuHause> those are GPL, though 11:59:56 <Brianetta> So? Their license isn't in question. 12:00:00 <Ammler> those from openttd?.grf 12:00:10 <roboboy> infact the OpenTTD Credits says thankyou to him for them 12:00:42 <Eddi|zuHause> the parts that are integral to ttdpatch he released under GPL 12:00:47 <Ammler> ah, I thought, you drop his grf because of his questionable statements, not his license. 12:01:17 <Ammler> his license allow distributing... 12:03:07 *** peter1138 [~peter@svn.bucks.net] has joined #openttd 12:03:10 *** mode/#openttd [+o peter1138] by ChanServ 12:05:25 <Eddi|zuHause> Ammler: apparently, the license requires redistribution with readme, and mb was not pleased with how that readme was included in brianettas pack... but i'm not entirely sure about the details 12:06:08 <peter1138> You all like your rumours don't you? 12:06:42 <Brianetta> Eddi: Nothing like that at all 12:06:55 <Eddi|zuHause> peter1138: there wouldn't be any fun without those :p 12:07:02 <Brianetta> I'll talk about it in more depth after I have been and bought a sandwich 12:08:14 <Ammler> bon appetit then 12:08:27 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:08:57 <roboboy> wasnt it to do with the screenshots on www.openttd.org consisting of main TTDP original features? 12:15:15 <peter1138> 0.6.3-RC1 will let me upgrade from 0.6.1! 12:15:17 <peter1138> (Not 0.6.2?) 12:16:26 <peter1138> Damn, I don't have the GRFs here :( 12:16:28 <roboboy> I did that but from 0.5.4 or something 12:17:14 <Brianetta> back 12:17:25 <Brianetta> So, yeah 12:17:32 <peter1138> I do now :D 12:17:46 <Brianetta> According to Blunck's newstations readme, redistribution wasn't a problem 12:17:47 <roboboy> so was his problem along my lines? 12:18:07 <Brianetta> roboboy: No; this is purely a legality thing 12:18:25 <roboboy> ok 12:18:54 <Brianetta> It was in that thread that Blunck clarified that the line in his readme, about the newgrf being "for Transport Tycoon with Patch" was not just descriptive, but intended as a licensing requirement. 12:18:57 <roboboy> but wasnt that his objection or was it actually that he produced them for TTDP? 12:19:13 <roboboy> ok 12:19:29 <Brianetta> So, although I could legally redistribute the newgrf, I couldn't legally run them on the server 12:19:39 <roboboy> doesnt eis_os have the same requirements 12:19:41 <Ammler> Brianetta: that is, because the GRF is older then newgrf support of OpenTTD 12:19:43 <Brianetta> Since it's his property, it's really his decision 12:20:00 <Brianetta> Ammler: Read what he said on that thread carefully. You made the same assumption that I did. 12:20:53 <Brianetta> In any case, doubt has been cast on the legality of the license I was using, by the copyright owner himself. So, I removed the newgrfs in question (including newships) form the set. 12:21:03 <Brianetta> It was easiest, and guaranteed legal. 12:21:44 *** Tim [83dc24d7@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 12:21:55 <Brianetta> Also, it doubles up as a boycott of the work of somebody who, for some reason, bashes OpenTTD whenever he can. 12:21:57 <peter1138> His graphics are included in openttd?.grf with his permission, of course. 12:22:10 *** Tim [83dc24d7@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 12:22:33 <roboboy> yay im not the only mibbit user in here 12:22:42 <Ammler> peter1138: I thought, Brianetta removed the NewGRF because of personally dislikes... 12:22:54 <peter1138> Ammler, read up. 12:22:59 <Ammler> (is that english)? 12:23:04 <peter1138> No, it's not. 12:23:09 <Ammler> :-) 12:23:29 * roboboy prefers TTDP except for cargodest 12:23:31 <Ammler> peter1138: well, the chat started before you joined... 12:23:49 <Brianetta> peter1138 knew the reasons anyway 12:24:04 <roboboy> but I dont bash OTTD unless a OTTD user bashes TTDP 12:24:11 <Brianetta> er 12:24:15 <Brianetta> bash the user, not the program 12:24:40 * Doorslammer bashes with bat 12:24:49 <Doorslammer> Kabong! 12:25:00 <Brianetta> Patch isn't for me. It doesn't do the kind of multiplayer I enjoy, it doesn't do the kind of Linux support I enjoy, and it doesn't do the kind of big maps I enjoy. 12:25:03 <roboboy> or I usually bash the user but sometimes there is a bit of OTTD basing either unintentionally or intentionally 12:25:11 <Brianetta> That said, I'm sure it's a great product. 12:25:19 <Brianetta> I just don't ever play it. 12:25:36 <roboboy> I find I dont need the big maps and if I want mp its openttd 12:25:59 <SmatZ> roboboy: what do you miss in OTTD the most? 12:26:10 <Brianetta> I don't believe there's anything in Patch at the moment that I'm really missing badly in OpenTTD 12:26:15 <Tim> Smatz will do it for you ;) 12:26:26 <SmatZ> I am just interested :) 12:26:36 <Ammler> Brianetta: since YAPP :-) 12:26:45 <roboboy> not that again SmatZ 12:26:48 <Brianetta> Ammler: Even then, I'm pretty nifty with regular signals 12:26:56 <SmatZ> roboboy: again? I never asked that 12:26:56 <roboboy> I was just thinking about it 12:27:06 <roboboy> you didnt but others have 12:27:18 <Tim> I really miss this feature in OpenTTD: http://bugs.openttd.org/task/2312 12:27:20 <peter1138> Regular signals are easy, when you use them like they're intended ;) 12:27:25 <Tim> *shamelessly advertising* 12:27:30 <roboboy> unless you do not know about the thing im thinking of 12:27:45 <Brianetta> peter1138: Bit of a bugger on single track lines with loops 12:28:00 <peter1138> roboboy, OpenTTD developers are not a hive-mind. 12:28:01 <Brianetta> A shame you can't pair up entrances and exits 12:28:12 <Brianetta> but PBS fixes that little issue anyway 12:28:37 <roboboy> I know but it spread a little bit between the devs 12:28:38 <Ammler> Tim: that is in Patch? 12:28:52 <roboboy> you know what im thinking of though peter1138 12:28:57 <Brianetta> Tim: That feature would not be needed if "sort by industry type" did that, instead of merely grouping by industry type. 12:29:09 <Tim> SmatZ roboboy: what do you miss in OTTD the most? 12:29:11 <roboboy> or I think you do peter1138 12:29:16 <Tim> That was the question :) 12:29:32 <peter1138> roboboy, no, I have absolutely no idea actually. 12:29:34 <Tim> Though that might not be the thing i miss most... Doesn 12:29:37 <roboboy> hm 12:29:43 <Tim> Doesn't matter, was just advertising *g* 12:29:48 <roboboy> restrictive signals 12:30:21 <Brianetta> There are things I miss from Simutrans 12:30:26 <SmatZ> Tim: ok :) yorick was banned from this channel for repeating himself (not that I agree with that ban), but beware :) 12:30:49 <Brianetta> You don't agree with banning Yorick? 12:31:17 <SmatZ> yes, I don't agree 12:31:40 <peter1138> He's not banned ;) 12:31:51 <SmatZ> ah ok :) 12:32:07 <roboboy> peter do you remember me saying something about not liking the credits window in OTTD? 12:32:10 <SmatZ> he was yesterday :) 12:32:13 <Ammler> yorick it kick/bans collector. 12:32:24 <Ammler> !s/it/is the/ 12:32:36 <SmatZ> :) 12:32:54 <Ammler> roboboy: too fast? 12:32:57 <peter1138> Vaguely. 12:33:08 <roboboy> no Ammler 12:33:10 <peter1138> But who ever looks at the credits window anyway? 12:33:19 <roboboy> me when im bored 12:33:19 *** sulai [~Miranda@p5B2B6BC8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:33:44 <roboboy> I winged about the original credits being missing or something 12:33:57 <peter1138> You did. It was a definite whinge. 12:34:10 <peter1138> I don't think I've ever looked at TTD's credits. 12:34:51 <roboboy> I have 12:34:53 *** thingwath [~thingwath@wireless-213.fi.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 12:34:56 <peter1138> Great. 12:35:02 <roboboy> hehe 12:35:29 <Brianetta> Crediting Chris Sawyer would probably be suicidal in any copyright suit... 12:35:51 <peter1138> He is credited. 12:35:52 <Tim> :D 12:36:00 <peter1138> At the very end, heh... 12:36:06 <Ammler> no, at top 12:36:11 <roboboy> aswell 12:36:11 <Ammler> or did that change? 12:36:12 <peter1138> Hmm, and the top too. 12:36:21 <peter1138> "Original design by Chris Sawyer" 12:36:26 <peter1138> "Original graphics by Simon Foster" 12:36:27 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 12:36:30 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:36:32 <peter1138> Then he's at the bottom again. 12:36:35 <roboboy> so yeah twice 12:36:40 <roboboy> 3 times 12:36:49 <roboboy> but what about the other things 12:36:51 <peter1138> "Original copyright (C) 1995 Chris Sawyer, All rights reserved" 12:36:55 <peter1138> ^ That's quite funny :P 12:37:09 <roboboy> and shouldnt brromhall be listed for the music? 12:37:15 <Brianetta> Chris Sawyer^W^WLudde 12:37:43 <Ammler> broomhall 12:38:15 <Brianetta> WHat music? 12:39:50 <Ammler> http://mz.openttdcoop.org/screens/ttd_info.png 12:41:19 <peter1138> Ammler, English only! 12:41:32 <peter1138> And on that note, I'm going to grab some lunch... 12:41:35 <Ammler> I have no idea how to switch that :-) 12:44:21 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 12:55:43 <Belugas> hello 12:56:36 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has joined #openttd 12:57:22 *** Tim [83dc24d7@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 13:14:18 <roboboy> can waypoint sets be used as normal stations in openttd or are they still stuck to only waypoints? I think if not it might be an idea to change that behaviour since stations can have go via orders set 13:14:31 <roboboy> and be multi tiled unlike waypoints 13:15:52 *** Jezral [~projectjj@85.27.135.237] has joined #openttd 13:17:00 *** Fuco [dota.keys@147.251.51.238] has joined #openttd 13:17:07 <Ammler> some station sets like Canada has the waypoints as stations. 13:18:17 <roboboy> but uk waypoints are waypoints only 13:19:34 <Belugas> and as such they will remain, otherwise, there will be no need for waypoints 13:19:54 <Belugas> the real question is rather if ever waypoints willbe able to cover more than one tile 13:20:07 <Belugas> Phantasm, i've read your comments 13:20:18 <Ammler> there is indeed no need for waypoints since adjacent stations... 13:20:22 <Phantasm> :) 13:20:33 <Belugas> and as you guessed, we are not going to change original behaviours of industries 13:20:44 <Belugas> those are not bugs, but rather design decisions 13:21:00 <roboboy> and I feel now that stations can have go via options rather than either having old non-stop or ttdp non-stop that waypoints are useless 13:21:06 <Phantasm> Belugas: Not really a guess.. I have ended up finding that is they way things are done with OpenTTD. 13:21:17 <Belugas> Phantasm: and we will not change them in respecgt of newindustries grf, which are bond to the original behaviours 13:21:26 <Belugas> agreed :) 13:21:48 <Belugas> note that you can change the offending behaviour by means of a grf :) 13:21:58 <Belugas> it is what they are for ;) 13:22:04 *** CIA-8 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has quit [] 13:23:16 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@85.27.135.237] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:26:31 *** Jezral is now known as TinoDidriksen 13:27:33 *** Syyn [~syn@cpe-24-58-7-163.twcny.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:27:49 <fjb> I'm missing a kind of join distant stations thing. I know about the current pach, but it hace a race condition and needs a clean reimplementation. 13:28:20 <roboboy> so am I 13:28:26 <roboboy> I requested it 13:29:01 <fjb> But requesting alone doesn't help. 13:29:14 <roboboy> yeah 13:42:29 *** Celestar [~Jadzia_Da@mnch-5d874f8b.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 13:42:32 *** mode/#openttd [+o Celestar] by ChanServ 13:49:58 *** syn [~syn@cpe-24-58-7-163.twcny.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 13:53:53 *** Celestar [~Jadzia_Da@mnch-5d874f8b.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:01:33 *** syn [~syn@cpe-24-58-7-163.twcny.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:03:19 *** thingwath [~thingwath@wireless-213.fi.muni.cz] has quit [Quit: It's all over.] 14:13:17 *** syn [~syn@cpe-24-58-7-163.twcny.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 14:17:04 *** welshdragon2 [~vista@adsl-83-100-138-245.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 14:17:55 <roboboy> Brianetta: do your rules cover allowing one to finish a route they started before they left the server for whatever reason 14:18:55 <roboboy> as I want and need to go to bed but have a route half built that needs to have more than I can do so far 14:20:09 <Brianetta> My rules make no mention of it. 14:20:27 <Brianetta> If you leave signs stating your plans, though, most of our players will respect them. 14:20:33 <Brianetta> You just have to trust (: 14:20:41 <roboboy> ok so thats the best way 14:20:52 <roboboy> thankyou 14:21:58 <Belugas> or delay your bedtime by a good cup of coffee 14:22:08 <Belugas> or... a good bar of chocolate! 14:22:24 <Belugas> or by putting on a Metallica CD 14:22:30 <Belugas> or... 14:22:32 <Belugas> herrr... 14:23:16 *** welshdragon [~vista@83.100.249.30] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:28:13 *** trainboy2004 [~trainboy2@cp734887-a.gelen1.lb.home.nl] has joined #openttd 14:28:29 *** trainboy2004 [~trainboy2@cp734887-a.gelen1.lb.home.nl] has quit [] 14:28:41 *** CIA-2 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has joined #openttd 14:29:12 <roboboy> gnight 14:32:26 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 14:50:45 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 14:50:46 *** Aylomen [~a@DSL01.83.171.145.174.ip-pool.NEFkom.net] has joined #openttd 14:58:37 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@resnet590.bournemouth.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 14:59:52 *** Dr_Jekyll [Dr_Jekyll@p57B0EBD9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:01:44 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B805A8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 15:01:47 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 15:01:47 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 15:08:19 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:14:27 *** kjetil_ [~kjetil@tester.igjen.vdsl2.no] has joined #openttd 15:15:53 *** Forked [~kjetil@tester.igjen.vdsl2.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:15:53 *** kjetil_ is now known as Forked 15:24:27 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r14390 /trunk/src/ (10 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: replace magic constants with symbolic constants. 15:25:20 <Eddi|zuHause> symbolic magic is great ;) 15:27:02 * Belugas draws some magic symbols on the floor, lights some candles and start humming dark and primitive melodies 15:27:31 <SpComb> 42 15:27:57 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-115-192.prem.tmns.net.au] has quit [] 15:27:57 <Eddi|zuHause> 108 15:29:55 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has quit [Quit: ecke] 15:34:18 <Eddi|zuHause> hey... some forum guru around? how do i ignore a person? 15:35:00 <SpComb> UCP > Friends & Foes > Manage Foes 15:36:51 <ccfreak2k> I recommend turning a sharp 180 and making a "humph!" sound. 15:38:34 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... that hides the posts themselves, but threads started by this person are still visible 15:42:01 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 15:42:04 *** Fuco [dota.keys@147.251.51.238] has quit [Quit: Quit] 15:46:07 *** welshdragon2 is now known as welshdragon 15:46:26 <ln> http://www.zeit.de/online/2008/39/amoklauf-finnland 15:48:18 <jpm> Welcome to finland! 15:48:22 <jpm> F 15:48:33 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A625D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:48:45 *** grumbel [~grumbel@i577BA8C1.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 15:50:55 <jpm> Don't forget your personal armament... 15:58:52 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:04:21 <fjb> Eddi|zuHause: Use your buildin filter. 16:07:00 <Eddi|zuHause> fjb: that is defunct for a long time already 16:07:44 <fjb> Fix it. It is still the best availlable filter. 16:09:34 <Eddi|zuHause> i would, but the original coder is not available anymore, and the support service has no clue... 16:10:41 <fjb> You need a better support. 16:18:23 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 16:26:08 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 16:26:21 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:35:52 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fdf06.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 16:36:52 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 16:37:47 <fjb> Quack frosch123 16:38:02 <frosch123> s/ck/k/ 16:38:05 <frosch123> moin :) 16:38:16 <Eddi|zuHause> Quack salber... Àh... selber! 16:47:24 <fjb> :-) 16:50:04 <ben_goodger_> *blink* 16:52:26 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A625D.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 16:55:11 *** Celestar [~Jadzia_Da@p54971580.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 16:55:14 *** mode/#openttd [+o Celestar] by ChanServ 16:55:52 <Celestar> hi mates 16:56:58 <Metalcore> would openttd be interested in original music? 16:57:50 <Celestar> "original" ? 16:58:15 <hylje> royaltyless 16:59:21 <Celestar> if it is in style (= 17:00:44 <FauxFaux> Is that re done music licensed nicely? Can't remeber. 17:01:37 <FauxFaux> No. No they aren't. 17:01:47 <Rubidium> only if it makes you forget about time... 17:05:16 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has joined #openttd 17:06:14 *** Yeggstry [~mind@cpc1-rdng14-0-0-cust946.winn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 17:08:41 <Ammler> Metalcore: first the sample.cat replacement :P 17:09:12 <guru3> is it possible to upgrade depots? 17:09:29 <Celestar> . 17:09:50 <Celestar> windows 7 will apparently boast an improved UI. 17:10:02 <hylje> which looks like vista's 17:10:09 <Celestar> I wish MS would focus on the OS, not the UI .... 17:10:16 <Ammler> guru3: empty depots 17:10:28 <guru3> ah :/ 17:10:36 <guru3> i thought you could upgrade ones with trains in em 17:10:39 <guru3> then replace the engines :/ 17:10:44 <Ammler> there is a patch, which also does that. 17:11:27 * Celestar wonders whether depots should be railtype-independent (= 17:11:41 * guru3 believes they should 17:12:09 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host213-160-dynamic.56-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 17:12:49 <Wolf01> hello 17:12:55 <Celestar> \o 17:16:15 <Eddi|zuHause> <Celestar> windows 7 will apparently boast an improved UI. <- didn't they promise that for every single last version, too? 17:16:29 <Eddi|zuHause> s/last/previous 17:16:55 <Forked> I wish they could make a server OS that didn't demand you had GUI on the console.. 17:17:05 *** sulai [~Miranda@p5B2B6BC8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 17:18:21 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-0-83-170.leed.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 17:18:38 <Celestar> I wish okular would not try to print to file all the time :( 17:18:41 <Eddi|zuHause> "Translator! (said in style of "Medic!")" <- lmao :p 17:19:28 <Celestar> Eddi|zuHause: ? 17:19:42 <Celestar> someone played too much StarCraft? 17:19:52 <Eddi|zuHause> in the forum, under a post by this strange "Batti5" person 17:20:21 <Eddi|zuHause> Celestar: i'd have associated "Medic!" with Starship Troopers 17:22:00 <Celestar> or that 17:22:07 <Celestar> poor movie 17:22:23 <Forked> there came a 2 and 3 of starship troopers.. I wonder how crap those are :) 17:22:28 <Eddi|zuHause> i just noticed that there is a "Starship Tropers 3" 17:22:43 <Eddi|zuHause> 2 was supposedly really crap 17:23:02 <Celestar> dunno I watched 1 and that was perfectly enough 17:23:03 <ln> Celestar: a great movie. 17:23:15 <Celestar> I quite disagree :D 17:23:26 <Eddi|zuHause> i kinda liked 1, when i watched it on video, but the TV version was very crippled 17:24:24 <Celestar> I only know the TV version 17:25:20 *** Volley [~worf@84-119-46-6.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:27:12 <Wolf01> I *might* have see it at cinema, I don't remember 17:29:04 <Metalcore> well, i'm gonna write a nice swing piece for the heck of it, if you guys want it, you can have it >_> 17:29:11 <Metalcore> wee midi 17:30:02 <peter1138> Why do (NewGRF) industries sometimes receive cargo that's never been taken there? 17:32:01 <Prof_Frink> Magick. 17:32:37 <jpm> Is anybody familiar with Qt? 17:32:49 <frosch123> peter1138: fs2138? 17:33:07 <Prof_Frink> jpm: Depends on your definition of familiar. 17:33:22 <Wolf01> I have a better question: why sometimes trains start not full with full load any and only one type of cargo? 17:33:32 <Prof_Frink> Just about every app I use on this computer is Qt, but I'm not a programmer. 17:34:07 *** Dr_Jekyll [Dr_Jekyll@p57B0EBD9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: http://www.lagerwiki.de - das Wiki rund um's Thema Lager und Logistik] 17:34:18 <DaleStan> peter1138: ISTR something about cargos always being delivered to the nearest accepting industry, regardless of how far that industry is from the station. 17:34:42 <jpm> Prof_Frink: Ok, I am trying to learn some Qt programming... 17:36:19 <Wolf01> OTTD on android? :D 17:42:16 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@147.251.215.232] has joined #openttd 17:42:25 <peter1138> frosch123, hmm, and no solution? :o 17:43:24 <frosch123> do it the same as ttdp :) 17:44:54 * Celestar burps 17:45:57 <Prof_Frink> How uncouth. 17:50:34 *** Volley [~worf@84-119-46-6.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #openttd 17:56:06 *** letto [~letto@86.120.69.10] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:00:27 <Celestar> hm .. 18:01:26 <Celestar> An ICE3 can run up on a 4% slope (uphill) at full load with 25% of all engines inoperative 18:12:43 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: truebrain * r14391 /branches/noai/src/console_cmds.cpp: [NoAI] -Fix: allow settings via start_ai via console (Yexo) 18:22:25 *** FR^2 [fr@oscar.frquadrat.de] has joined #openttd 18:25:35 *** sulai [~Miranda@p5B2B6BC8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:28:11 *** sulai [~Miranda@p5B2B6BC8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 18:32:07 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@g226204166.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 18:39:26 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g226207082.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:39:26 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 18:50:20 * Celestar wants to commit his vehicle detail window fixes to cargodest :( 18:51:16 <peter1138> ... 18:51:37 <Celestar> I gotta go 18:51:41 <Celestar> cu tomorrow :D 18:51:58 *** Celestar [~Jadzia_Da@p54971580.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:00:27 *** Dr_Jekyll [Dr_Jekyll@p57B0EBD9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:00:57 *** De_Ghosty [~s@76-10-140-57.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:08:11 *** mikl [~mikl@cpe.ge-0-2-0-812.0x50c774be.boanqu1.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: mikl] 19:13:37 *** thingwath [~thingwath@morana.sks2.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 19:25:12 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r14392 /trunk/src/window_gui.h: -Fix [FS#1404]: some widgets saw a single click as multiple clicks. 19:27:08 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a46ad5.virnxx14.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 19:27:09 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 19:31:41 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-155-18.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 19:33:33 <Eddi|zuHause> hm, where does konqueror save its browser cache? 19:34:23 <Belugas> in his treasure-chest 19:34:25 <Belugas> harrr harrr 19:35:36 <frosch123> seems like the clock is approaching 17:00 in canada :) 19:37:26 <Eddi|zuHause> 21-6? 19:37:52 <Eddi|zuHause> more like 15, but my calculation skills are rudimentary since 10th grade :p 19:37:55 <Belugas> not fast enough, frosch123! 19:38:07 <frosch123> 81 mins to go 19:39:25 * Belugas nods at frosch123 19:41:16 <fjb> Eddi|zuHause: /var/tmp/kdecache-user/http 19:42:02 <Eddi|zuHause> thanks 19:52:04 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... i can't find a command for "drop the first k lines of input" only "count the lines, and then display the last n-k lines" 19:53:19 <Rubidium> cheat and use awk? 19:53:59 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah. or print it out, cut off the paper, and then scan it back in 20:02:43 *** rortom [~rortom@p57B7BB4C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:04:09 *** sulai [~Miranda@p5B2B6BC8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:12:25 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r14393 /trunk/src/signs_gui.cpp: -Fix [FS#2318]: deleting the same window (pointer) twice. 20:32:35 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0.1/2008070208]] 20:34:51 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5E224.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 20:42:51 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: Poef!] 20:44:13 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: [FATAL] Client error: Memory leak - More RAM needed. More! More! More!] 20:44:44 <Wolf01> 'night 20:44:48 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host213-160-dynamic.56-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 20:51:38 *** Sacro_ [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 20:58:11 *** Aylomen [~a@DSL01.83.171.145.174.ip-pool.NEFkom.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:58:39 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:00:27 *** Sacro_ is now known as Sacro 21:04:14 *** FR^2 [fr@oscar.frquadrat.de] has quit [Quit: Connection reset by caffein depletion...] 21:11:20 *** sulai [~Miranda@p5B2B6BC8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! 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Thta is why bugs get always fixed tomorrow. 23:53:27 *** Sacro_ [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 23:56:22 <SmatZ> :) 23:56:52 <SmatZ> The day after tommorow is even better, you don't have to be stressed about things you have to do tommorow 23:57:04 <SmatZ> or by tommorow, that is today... 23:59:03 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a46ad5.virnxx14.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:59:13 *** Zorni [zorn@e177232219.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd