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00:00:06 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:01:46 *** Sacro_ is now known as Sacro 00:01:48 <Metalcore> bleh 00:02:14 <Metalcore> i'm tryingto decide whether its worth it to figure how out how to get the nightlies <_< 00:02:55 <SmatZ> keep trying to figure out :) 00:03:28 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1E575.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:03:38 <Metalcore> i assume the way to do it without having to actually compile (on windows) is to run the build_installers.bar 00:04:33 <welshdragon> trivia now playing on #welshdragon 00:05:41 *** Zorn [zorn@e177234054.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:08:51 <glx> Metalcore: you just need to extract the zip 00:12:17 <Metalcore> !nightlies 00:12:19 <Metalcore> <_< 00:13:17 <Metalcore> ah, there we go 00:13:35 <Metalcore> what's are the major feature differences between the current nightly and 0.6.2? 00:14:57 <Eddi|zuHause2> all of them... 00:15:16 <Metalcore> all of them? >_> 00:16:02 *** Eddi|zuHause2 is now known as Eddi|zuHause 00:16:36 <Eddi|zuHause> the step from 0.6 to trunk is huge 00:17:52 <glx> PBS for a start 00:18:39 * roboboy wishes we had pre PBS ie pbs with presignal support 00:19:37 *** pleeby [bleepy@5ad00eb9.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 00:19:46 *** bleepy is now known as Guest1279 00:19:47 *** pleeby is now known as bleepy 00:20:31 *** fjb_ [~frank@p5485DB78.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:21:41 *** Guest1279 [bleepy@5ad923e0.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:24:18 *** fjb [~frank@p5485D949.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:30:27 <Eddi|zuHause> another major feature is the order system 00:33:01 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B767C8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 00:33:23 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B7514C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:35:17 *** Xerres [~Mewes@d-206-53-71-234.cpe.metrocast.net] has joined #openttd 00:35:17 *** [demi]Xerres [~Mewes@d-206-53-71-234.cpe.metrocast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:45:17 *** fjb_ [~frank@p5485DB78.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:47:34 <Metalcore> order system? 00:47:46 <Metalcore> what has changed? 00:50:16 <roboboy> i geuse the new go via option thingie 00:50:23 <glx> there are conditional orders too 00:51:40 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 00:54:09 <Metalcore> oh cool 00:54:14 <Metalcore> what's the status on cargodest? 00:55:48 *** Sacro_ [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 00:56:43 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:56:48 *** Sacro_ is now known as Sacro 01:05:11 <Belugas> status to cargodest? still not to destination 01:05:13 <Belugas> huhuhu 01:05:36 <Metalcore> <_> 01:06:51 *** welshdragon [~vista@adsl-83-100-138-245.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:07:36 *** Brianetta 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Singaporekid [~notme@cm224.epsilon120.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:54:36 *** mortal [~mortal@217.61.144.15] has joined #openttd 07:56:18 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:00:27 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 08:01:21 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host81-152-232-177.range81-152.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:11:26 * SpComb ponders shutting down MyOTTD today 08:11:38 *** mortal [~mortal@217.61.144.15] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:16:17 <peter1138> Do it! 08:17:10 <Rubidium> yeah, go for it and start with bugmenot 08:17:12 *** sulai [~Miranda@p5B2B5D31.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 08:18:13 <peter1138> Why bugmenot? 08:18:24 <peter1138> Oh... 33939-07-02 08:19:00 <peter1138> That can't be fun :) 08:19:07 <Yexo> http://www.student.tue.nl/V/t.i.marinussen/railai2.png <- one of the first rail networks build by my ai :) 08:19:47 <Rubidium> peter1138: especially the amount of companies, spectators and players of bugmenot.myottd.net 08:20:25 <SpComb> yes, it's almost historic now :) 08:21:17 <Rubidium> Yexo: those lines look somewhat more sane that than CSAI ;) 08:21:29 <Rubidium> looks like it failed to built some routes though 08:21:55 <Yexo> it did, but those are not visible in the image afaik 08:22:12 <Rubidium> inbound of M??fingpool Heights for example 08:23:15 <Yexo> hey, you're right 08:23:27 <Yexo> it didn't report an error for failing to build anything though 08:24:07 <SpComb> but myes, I think I'm going to unplug it from the UPS it's on 08:24:13 <SpComb> then I just have to figure out what to do with said UPS 08:24:33 <peter1138> Give it to me. 08:24:44 <SpComb> that'll be like 200⬠for shipping 08:25:07 <Noldo> I can take it too 08:25:07 <SpComb> it ships as palette freight, which is somewhat expensive 08:25:23 <Rubidium> how big/heavy is it? 08:25:40 <SpComb> 2U, about a metre in depth, weighs 50-60kg, can't remember 08:26:13 <SpComb> http://photos.marttila.de/2008-05-25_zapotekII/P5257825.JPG.html <-- that's myottd on the left, said UPS on the right 08:26:17 <Noldo> what kind of Watts are we talking about 08:26:27 <SpComb> 3kVA, about 2.4kW 08:27:01 <Tefad> mmm powerfactor. 08:28:55 <SpComb> actually, 3U 08:29:29 <SpComb> http://www.apc.com/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=sua3000rmxli3u <-- it's a slightly older model of that, hard to find the exact page 08:30:24 <peter1138> We binned all our APC UPSes 08:30:40 <peter1138> They were older models, though. 08:30:41 <roboboy> hello 08:31:24 <peter1138> http://www.bigkey.com/pic/apc/apc_smart_ups_1400r.JPG 08:31:28 <peter1138> Similar to that one. 08:31:47 <peter1138> Notice the lack of ventilation... 08:32:05 <Tefad> mmm burninate 08:32:14 <Tefad> i have a 1000VA UPS 08:32:25 <Tefad> it needs new batteries. 08:32:32 <peter1138> They basically cooked their batteries, so they only lasted a year. 08:32:38 <Tefad> oh, nice 08:32:44 <Tefad> mine sits under my compy 08:32:49 <Tefad> and isn't rack shaped. 08:32:56 <peter1138> And then we'd have to take the machine apart, because the batteries would swell and get stuck inside. 08:33:17 <Tefad> i've had these batteries since 2005 or so 08:33:27 <Tefad> probably this time 2004 really 08:34:37 <Tefad> long outage is rare, and when they happen, i catch it soon enough to shut down. UPS would probably power my crap for 5mins if i wanted to right now 08:35:23 <Tefad> battery dead light has been coming on and off in 3month cycles since two years ago, but is now in a permanent state of HELP!!! 08:36:07 <peter1138> I've got a small APC UPS for my desktop actually. That lasts about 10-15 minutes, despite saying the battery is dead. 08:36:29 <Tefad> yup yup. i run a server, desktop and two CRTs off mine 08:36:51 <Tefad> typically the CRTs are asleep or i immediately kill one when the power goes out 08:37:08 <Tefad> doesn't complain about overload though 08:37:33 <Tefad> it did once when i accidentally plugged a 224 port switch into it : x 08:37:47 <Tefad> (i forgot which power strip i was holding) 09:06:05 *** mortal [~mortal@217.61.144.15] has joined #openttd 09:08:24 <peter1138> Hmm 09:09:41 <peter1138> My big switch is drawing 430W 09:09:59 <peter1138> At least, that's what it says :) 09:32:09 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-0-83-170.leed.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 09:33:29 *** fjb [~frank@p5485DB78.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:33:35 <fjb> Hello 09:36:41 *** mortal [~mortal@217.61.144.15] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:52:44 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 09:59:55 *** mortal [~mortal@217.61.144.15] has joined #openttd 10:12:50 *** Fuco [dota.keys@wireless-122.fi.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 10:14:09 <Tefad> lol 10:14:27 <Tefad> this one had like.. 8 slots and dual power supplies 10:16:01 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:16:18 <Tefad> ah 9 slots. 1x management/console, 1x 4x1000BaseSX/SC, 7x 32x10BaseT/100BaseTX ports. 10:16:43 <Tefad> i think that thing was made in 1999 or 2000 10:17:02 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 10:17:32 <fjb> What is that? 10:17:47 <Eddi|zuHause> a small switch :p 10:18:06 *** welshdragon [~vista@adsl-83-100-138-245.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 10:18:16 <Tefad> lol, i've not seen many larger 10:18:33 <Tefad> i've seen a router the size of a rack with only two ports though 10:18:38 <Tefad> that was a bit.. odd 10:18:58 <fjb> Hard wired routing... 10:19:18 <Eddi|zuHause> how much routing do 2 ports need? 10:19:21 <Tefad> routing is software level 10:19:31 <Tefad> i'm thinking it was multiplexed fiber 10:19:33 <Eddi|zuHause> a simple bridge/firewall would suffice 10:22:35 <Tefad> over a single strand, it's possible to have 4 full duplex connections 10:23:05 <Tefad> and it isn't uncommon to have six strands in one cable 10:55:11 <peter1138> Routing is hardware level on those sort of devices. 10:55:51 <peter1138> So they use a cheap and slow CPU to control it, and expensive hardware to route... 10:56:02 <peter1138> Instead of just cheap and fast CPUs 10:56:46 *** fjb [~frank@p5485DB78.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:05:46 <roboboy> I keep geting network syncronisation erors on Brianetta's server 11:06:46 *** Gekz_ [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 11:06:55 <Brianetta> devs: My server's running 0.6.3rc1 11:06:56 *** Gekz_ [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has left #openttd [] 11:07:03 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:07:30 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 11:10:09 *** Gekz_ [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 11:10:22 <roboboy> hm no desync yet again 11:14:33 <roboboy> I have a simleish question. Is iit realistic that we pay running costs for a crashed train? 11:15:24 <Gekz> Yes. 11:15:32 <Gekz> You gotsa pay for cleansing 11:15:54 <roboboy> apart from the removal of the wreck? 11:16:16 <Gekz> the reimbursement of the families that you killed 11:16:20 <Eddi|zuHause> rebuilding the infrastructure 11:23:18 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C016.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:23:37 *** fjb [~frank@p5485DB78.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:28:31 *** Fuco [dota.keys@wireless-122.fi.muni.cz] has quit [Quit: Quit] 11:30:16 *** Gekz_ [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:48:39 *** mortal [~mortal@217.61.144.15] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:49:40 <roboboy> does anyone think YAPP will ever get any pre signal ability? 11:52:10 <fjb> No 11:55:23 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B805A8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:56:10 <Ammler> Yes 11:57:01 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B808BC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 11:57:03 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 11:57:35 <fjb> Yes? 12:01:16 <peter1138> roboboy, it does not need it. 12:01:43 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 12:01:45 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:08:02 <roboboy> why? 12:10:42 *** DorpsGek is now known as Guest1364 12:10:47 *** DorpsGek [truebrain@85.17.162.188] has joined #openttd 12:10:48 *** mode/#openttd [+o DorpsGek] by ChanServ 12:11:03 *** Guest1364 [truebrain@openttd.org] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:13:28 <fjb> What for? 12:14:11 *** DorpsGek [truebrain@85.17.162.188] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:15:20 *** Fuco [dota.keys@wired-114.fi.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 12:17:26 <ln> when? 12:17:34 *** TrueBrain [truebrain@openttd.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:17:55 <hylje> how 12:21:13 *** thingwath [~thingwath@147.251.200.254] has quit [Quit: Jedna dve, salina pojede.] 12:22:29 <Ammler> Because 12:22:33 *** DorpsGek [truebrain@openttd.org] has joined #openttd 12:22:34 *** mode/#openttd [+o DorpsGek] by ChanServ 12:24:14 <roboboy> does YAPP do pre signals by itself automaticaly? 12:24:50 <roboboy> it would be nice to specify what signals were pre exits at a minimum if yapp entry signals are auto pre entry 12:25:53 <roboboy> so then if you had a train entering a partially presignaled junction but its exit wasnt pre exit and all the pre exits were red it could still find its way out asuming a clear path was available 12:28:10 <Vikthor> roboboy:Did you actually ever tried using YAPP? 12:34:22 *** DorpsGek [truebrain@openttd.org] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:34:53 <roboboy> yes 12:34:54 *** DorpsGek [truebrain@85.17.162.188] has joined #openttd 12:34:55 *** mode/#openttd [+o DorpsGek] by ChanServ 12:35:36 *** orudge [~orudge@owenrudge.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:36:18 *** orudge [~orudge@owenrudge.net] has joined #openttd 12:36:42 <Vikthor> then you should clearly know that there is no need for exit signals, because if train can't find safe path past the signal it will wait 12:40:24 *** DorpsGek [truebrain@85.17.162.188] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:40:55 *** DorpsGek [truebrain@85.17.162.188] has joined #openttd 12:40:56 *** mode/#openttd [+o DorpsGek] by ChanServ 12:42:14 <roboboy> but what if there is a station with a junction at it and you want your trains t the station to wait but not trains going down the other line if the station is full 12:42:16 <fjb> Do not put YAPP signals behind a junction, only before. 12:43:06 <fjb> No signal between the junczion and the start of the platform. 12:43:32 <SmatZ> or reversed two-way PBS 12:43:41 <SmatZ> you need presignals for priority lanes though... 12:48:00 <roboboy> so do you get full pre-signal behaviour with YAPP? 12:49:11 <Ammler> yes, almost. 12:58:09 <ln> http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/276867main_08pd2733_full.jpg 13:00:17 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5ad9f9d8.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:01:36 *** Rubidium [~Rubidium@rbijker.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:02:28 *** DorpsGek [truebrain@85.17.162.188] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:03:01 <Brianetta> If all your stations are terminals, you can get away without any signals. You need one PBS signal, anywhere, to make the whole lot path based. Trains will just find a way around. 13:03:13 *** Rubidium [~Rubidium@rbijker.net] has joined #openttd 13:03:13 *** mode/#openttd [+o Rubidium] by ChanServ 13:03:30 <Brianetta> Rubidium: Interesting PBS thing for you to ponder. 13:04:10 <Brianetta> Since stations are safe waiting locations, it's possible to make a railway like a computer bus. Lots of terminals connected to some lines. You need one PBS signal anywhere on it, and the trains just find their way about. 13:04:29 <Brianetta> There might be some waiting, clearly, but it's really interesting how far you can go on one signal. 13:04:56 <Brianetta> The stations must be terminus, otherwise they reserve through and out the other side, which makes life difficult. 13:05:35 <Rubidium> isn't that already possible? 13:07:07 <Brianetta> I was describing current behaviour 13:07:11 <Brianetta> not making a suggestion (: 13:07:18 <Ammler> hmm, I thought, the translation fixes will be backported to 0.6.x too? 13:07:35 <Brianetta> Rubidium: Roboboy has been reporting desyncs on 0.6.3rc1 13:07:44 <Brianetta> I haven;t seen them first hand 13:07:48 <Brianetta> I'm in the office and can't hop on 13:09:48 <Rubidium> I understood his message as that he didn't have a desync yet 13:10:10 <roboboy> I had a few and then they stopped happening 13:10:27 <roboboy> the minute I reported them they stopped 13:12:10 *** Zealotus [~Ping@78-69-54-150-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:12:31 *** Zealotus [~Ping@78-69-54-150-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 13:13:57 <Xerres> that you lerfy? 13:17:43 <Ammler> server down? 13:18:07 <blathijs> No, networking problem at the provider that hosts it 13:18:15 <blathijs> or at some ISP near it anyway 13:19:02 <Rubidium> the connection has been quite unstable the last hour 13:21:08 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5adb1da9.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 13:22:25 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 13:27:50 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:34:29 <roboboy> gnight 13:36:00 *** DorpsGek [truebrain@openttd.org] has joined #openttd 13:36:02 *** mode/#openttd [+o DorpsGek] by ChanServ 13:38:00 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 13:39:51 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 13:41:24 *** Fuco [dota.keys@wired-114.fi.muni.cz] has quit [Quit: Quit] 13:43:28 *** DorpsGek [truebrain@openttd.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:43:35 *** DorpsGek [truebrain@openttd.org] has joined #openttd 13:43:37 *** mode/#openttd [+o DorpsGek] by ChanServ 13:45:21 *** Rubidium [~Rubidium@rbijker.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:47:42 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 13:53:51 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 13:54:36 *** Rubidium [~Rubidium@rbijker.net] has joined #openttd 13:54:39 *** mode/#openttd [+o Rubidium] by ChanServ 13:55:18 *** Fuco [dota.keys@wireless-122.fi.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 14:02:12 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: translators * r14394 /trunk/src/lang/ (7 files): (log message trimmed) 14:02:12 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2008-09-24 14:01:38 14:02:12 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: danish - 8 changed by ThomasA (8) 14:02:12 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: german - 5 changed by sulai (5) 14:02:12 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: hungarian - 17 fixed, 4 changed by alyr (21) 14:02:14 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: korean - 45 changed by dlunch (45) 14:02:14 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: norwegian_bokmal - 9 fixed by christian (9) 14:06:16 *** grumbel [~grumbel@i577B9944.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 14:06:53 *** Fuco [dota.keys@wireless-122.fi.muni.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:07:17 *** Fuco [dota.keys@wireless-122.fi.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 14:07:18 *** thingwath [~thingwath@wireless-137.fi.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 14:09:59 <Ammler> has the webtranslator no access to 0.6 branch? 14:13:47 *** `Fuco`` [dota.keys@wireless-122.fi.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 14:13:47 *** Fuco [dota.keys@wireless-122.fi.muni.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:14:06 <ln> Ammler: auxiliary verb needed. 14:14:39 <glx> Ammler: WT2 handles trunk only 14:14:42 *** vitogenowese [~vitogenow@lbck-4dbdce5a.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 14:14:47 <vitogenowese> hello 14:14:48 <hylje> i just accidentally the whole trunk 14:15:06 <vitogenowese> can someone help me with the osx toolchain? is there a mac doc? 14:15:12 <ln> hylje: verb needed. 14:16:02 <Ammler> thanks glx, that does explain the missing fixes on 0.6, I was told, they will go into it too. 14:16:53 <glx> we use a script for that (but it may fail) 14:17:58 <vitogenowese> for compiling for osx? 14:18:29 <Rubidium> Ammler: what missing fixes? 14:18:38 <glx> Ammler: http://vcs.openttd.org/svn/changeset/14387#file3 <-- it seems 12 fixes are in 0.6 14:19:07 <Ammler> Rubidium: not bad things 14:19:15 <Ammler> just translation issues. 14:19:40 <Ammler> mostly not fitting buttons/windows 14:20:05 <glx> that's not really a translation issue ;) 14:20:15 <Ammler> but I do compile trunk to check if they are only discussed or commited already :-) 14:20:17 <Rubidium> Ammler: all strings that were changed in trunk and that are in 0.6 (but where english did not change in trunk) should be backported 14:20:18 <glx> some button are just too small for anything than english 14:21:38 <Ammler> trunk seems nice 14:22:36 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 14:22:43 <Rubidium> but it's a script that backports the strings; it's way way too much work to do it manually 14:24:52 <Ammler> http://mz.openttdcoop.org/screens/german_RC1-trunk.png 14:27:12 <Sacro> tehehehe, Abfahrt 14:29:33 <Ammler> btw. is that still true, statin spread the only setting which slows down the game? 14:30:22 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm224.epsilon120.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 14:30:35 <SmatZ> does it? 14:30:51 <glx> IIRC that has been optimised 14:30:55 <Ammler> it is the only setting with a red text about :-) 14:31:35 <Ammler> I suggested the german translators to remove it, but they meant, that is something for the devs. 14:36:50 <Rubidium> Ammler: I don't know why the script didn't backport (some of) those strings 14:43:23 *** De_Ghosty [~s@76-10-140-57.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #openttd 14:43:32 *** davis- [~asd@p5B28BC51.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 14:44:07 * davis- hai 14:53:04 <Rubidium> Ammler: does http://rbijker.net/openttd/fixed_language_update_script.diff fix the 'not-backported' issues in German (0.6.3-RC1) 14:56:56 <Ammler> Rubidium: doesn't look like 14:57:15 <Ammler> I need to checkout the release and install the patch to be sure 15:01:11 <Ammler> Rubidium: ok, most fixed 15:01:49 <Brianetta> Is the wiki up? 15:02:01 <davis-> . 15:03:05 <Rubidium> Ammler: for the rest I don't have clue how to fix that easily (i.e. quickly) 15:03:05 *** `Fuco`` [dota.keys@wireless-122.fi.muni.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:03:15 *** Fuco [dota.keys@wireless-122.fi.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 15:03:31 <Ammler> no need, looks fine, as far as I see... 15:03:33 *** mikl [~mikl@cpe.ge-0-2-0-812.0x50c774be.boanqu1.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 15:04:06 <Brianetta> Is it just me having trouble with the web site? 15:04:48 <murray> what part? works fine here 15:05:20 <Brianetta> er 15:05:21 <Brianetta> all of it 15:05:43 <Brianetta> I wanted the wiki, but I can't get www. either 15:05:55 <Brianetta> Other sites are OK 15:07:02 <murray> perfectly fine here 15:07:29 <Brianetta> Forum's fine. 15:07:33 <Brianetta> That's it. 15:08:07 <Brianetta> Works from home 15:08:11 <Brianetta> but that's text only 15:08:12 <Rubidium> Brianetta: there was a ddos attack on the ISP this afternoon, so it might be that it came from your ISP 15:08:26 <Brianetta> What, Derwentside District Council? 15:08:27 <Rubidium> i.e. that they blackholed data coming from there 15:08:52 <Brianetta> I knew they were a bit shabby, but not actually evil 15:08:57 <Rubidium> or from the ISPs they're peering with 15:09:25 <Brianetta> I think that's NTL and JaNET 15:09:55 <Brianetta> there's another, but I can't remember now who it is 15:10:51 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 15:11:05 *** Aylomen [~a@DSL01.83.171.145.115.ip-pool.NEFkom.net] has joined #openttd 15:12:42 *** mortal`` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 15:14:00 *** vitogenowese [~vitogenow@lbck-4dbdce5a.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:18:02 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:20:04 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:20:50 *** elmex [~elmex@e180064184.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:20:55 *** elmex [~elmex@e180064184.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 15:24:26 *** Dr_Jekyll [Dr_Jekyll@p57B0F73C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:28:11 *** ozzy [~ozzy@5ad23854.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 15:28:22 <ozzy> hi 15:28:36 <davis-> :) 15:28:47 <ozzy> question 15:29:02 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5CA94.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:29:05 <FauxFaux> Tell me what you think about me. 15:29:19 <ozzy> you know the trams on ottd why are they so crap 15:30:32 <davis-> whats wrong with trams? 15:33:53 <fjb> Maybe his lacking skills in typing punctuations. 15:34:09 <davis-> :p 15:36:14 <ozzy> one trams can be 2 short second there old and boring you dont get many types 15:36:35 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@resnet564.bournemouth.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 15:37:06 <davis-> always whining :s 15:41:00 <fjb> What is he trying to say? Can somebody translate it please? 15:41:24 *** Fuco [dota.keys@wireless-122.fi.muni.cz] has quit [Quit: Quit] 15:42:42 * davis- shrugs 15:42:53 <davis-> something about the tram length? 15:43:19 <davis-> and about the lack of different tram-vehicle , mayhabs.. idk 15:45:03 <fjb> Looks to me he only looked at the game two short seconds long. 15:45:13 <davis-> yeah probably 15:45:36 <fjb> And then he got bored and old. 15:45:53 <davis-> :| 15:45:58 <fjb> Sad guy. 15:46:25 * davis- plays the emo-piano 15:46:41 <Belugas> hooo.... 1) trams can too short 2) they are old and boring, you don't get many types 15:46:46 <Belugas> or something... 15:47:00 <davis-> \o/ ? 15:47:40 <Belugas> ozzy :, we are sorry, but you are not making much sens. if there was a question, i fail to translate of even understand it 15:48:05 <davis-> tragedy 15:48:53 *** letto [~letto@86.120.71.107] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:49:31 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5CA94.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 15:50:04 <fjb> Realy sad story. 15:53:29 *** thingwath [~thingwath@wireless-137.fi.muni.cz] has quit [Quit: It's all over.] 15:53:59 <ozzy> i said the trams in open ttd are short but can be good but there are not many types 15:55:35 <Rubidium> then you should use a difference tram newgrf that has long(er) trams and more types 15:56:00 <ozzy> where do i get it then wise crack 15:56:40 <Rubidium> grfcrawler.tt-forums.net maybe 15:57:34 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g226204166.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 15:57:48 <Brianetta> ozzy: Suggesting that the stats of almost anything in the game be changed is going to be met with a similar answer. The newgrf specification allows all sorts of modifications. 16:01:20 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-0-83-170.leed.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 16:01:34 <ozzy> true 16:01:47 <ozzy> but where do i put the things for ottd 16:03:07 <davis-> data folder 16:03:39 <ozzy> where 16:04:47 <davis-> http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/FAQ_NewGRF 16:05:49 <fjb> Some people really know how to ask politely. 16:06:03 <davis-> indeed D: 16:07:38 <ozzy> thanks davis 16:08:02 <davis-> yw 16:08:11 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fcd53.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 16:08:26 <fjb> Quak frosch123. 16:09:11 <frosch123> moin fjb :) 16:09:27 <davis-> sers 16:10:06 <ozzy> davis i downloaded my game for free 16:10:33 <davis-> aye .. 16:12:04 <davis-> I'm opped in (7/12) channels on (2) networks. I have the power over (295/740) users. 16:12:08 <fjb> ... money for nothing and games for free... 16:12:10 <davis-> eh , wrong cmd 16:15:28 *** TrueBrain [truebrain@openttd.org] has joined #openttd 16:16:23 *** welshdragon [~vista@adsl-83-100-138-245.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:18:08 *** ozzy [~ozzy@5ad23854.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:21:49 *** fjb [~frank@p5485DB78.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:25:34 *** Tim [~Tim@p5B37D3D3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:31:13 *** Tim [~Tim@p5B37D3D3.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 16:34:10 <SmatZ> ozzy probably forgot he asked about newgrf 3 years ago http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=13567&p=250808#p250808 16:35:27 *** Yeggstry [~mind@cpc1-rdng14-0-0-cust946.winn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 16:36:16 <peter1138> Heh, no grfcrawler back then :D 16:37:45 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm224.epsilon120.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:40:19 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: smatz * r14395 /trunk/src/ (11 files): 16:40:19 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Fix [FS#2285]: crashes and GUI desyncs when order is deleted/modified while the timetable window is open 16:40:19 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Fix: close any dropdown and child windows in the Order and Timetable windows when selected order is deselected, deleted, ... 16:46:35 <davis-> lol 16:47:03 <davis-> magic of old boards 16:47:52 <hylje> what 16:48:55 <davis-> 18:32 @Sm*tZ: ozzy probably forgot he asked about newgrf 3 years ago http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=13567&p=250808#p250808 16:51:47 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: smatz * r14396 /trunk/src/order_gui.cpp: -Fix: ctrl+right click at 'Go to nearest depot' order scrolled to depot with DepotID == 0 17:07:42 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B808BC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:09:49 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B8425A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 17:09:51 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 17:14:51 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A43482.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:27:38 <Belugas> a guy nicknamed "dude" something is almost a candidate for little brain cells 17:28:03 <Belugas> is almost -- everytime-- 17:32:38 *** Sacro1 [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 17:33:49 *** Sacro1 [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [] 17:34:38 *** Xerres [~Mewes@d-206-53-71-234.cpe.metrocast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:38:47 *** Tim [~Tim@p5B37D6ED.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:41:39 *** Euro_swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 17:44:54 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:45:06 *** Euro_swallow is now known as Swallow 17:55:51 <Belugas> welll... at least, he said thanks :) 17:55:57 <Belugas> even if it was thnx... 17:56:05 <Belugas> better then nothing :S 17:56:27 <Rexxars> dude.. 17:57:30 <Eddi|zuHause> sweet 17:57:38 <Eddi|zuHause> what's on my back? 17:58:19 <Belugas> hem... 17:58:30 <Belugas> hair? 17:58:30 <Belugas> a shirt? 17:58:40 <Belugas> chocolate spread? 17:58:55 <Belugas> acnea? 17:58:56 <Eddi|zuHause> you don't know your classics :p 17:58:58 <frosch123> Belugas: just say you are too old for that 17:59:07 <Belugas> lol 17:59:11 <Belugas> i guess i am :D 17:59:41 <frosch123> was a nice teeny movie, when I was a teenie :) 18:00:10 <frosch123> hmm, you are allowed to choose your favorite spelling 18:00:31 <Belugas> aaron, not torry 18:00:35 *** Tim [~Tim@p5B37D6ED.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:02:31 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-75-74-51-51.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 18:03:00 <TrueBrain> frosch123: are you that old? :p 18:03:57 <Eddi|zuHause> 123 :) 18:04:24 <frosch123> TrueBrain: Were you not allowed to see the movie because of its USK? 18:04:45 <TrueBrain> worked 21 hours in the last 2 days .... 18:04:47 <TrueBrain> now that is bad 18:05:05 <TrueBrain> frosch123: I Couldn't read back then 18:05:06 <TrueBrain> :p 18:05:22 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: BC or AD :p 18:05:33 <TrueBrain> 0 BC! 18:05:51 *** eQualizer|dada [~lauri@87.94.117.196] has joined #openttd 18:06:16 <Eddi|zuHause> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prm3xx3U2io <- just for the sake of it :p 18:06:26 *** Fuco [dota.keys@wireless-122.fi.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 18:07:36 *** eQualizer [~lauri@87.94.117.196] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:11:31 <Belugas> TrueBrain, i know the feeling :) long hours of work, at home or at work, it's stil ling hours of NO FUCKING FUN 18:16:59 * TrueBrain gives Belugas a cookie: www.amazon.com 18:30:59 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-0-83-170.leed.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 18:31:11 <Brianetta> Is there any way to upload a saved game to a Wiki article? 18:32:22 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@e176224019.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 18:32:32 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g226204166.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:32:32 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 18:38:16 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 18:49:36 <Belugas> "Fairies wear boots and you've got to believe me" 18:54:59 <hylje> YOU CAN'T PROVE THEY DON'T 18:55:46 <frosch123> technically the wee free man are also fairies... 18:55:54 <frosch123> *men 18:55:58 <TrueBrain> I can proof you have your capslock on 18:56:19 <SmatZ> no 18:57:12 <TrueBrain> [20:54] HYLJE KEYLOG *** spacslock ON 18:57:13 <TrueBrain> see 18:57:29 <SmatZ> :-P 18:57:31 <Belugas> "i saw it i saw it with own true eyes" 18:57:33 <Prof_Frink> startkeylogger? 18:57:43 <TrueBrain> Belugas: are there non-true eyes? 18:58:06 <SmatZ> do you mean ÊÉo1sdÉÉ ? 18:58:06 <Prof_Frink> TrueBrain: Yes. 18:58:11 <TrueBrain> Prof_Frink: it is already active 18:58:14 <Belugas> blind eyes, eyes of the fool, etc... 18:58:29 <Prof_Frink> TrueBrain: Never heard of beer goggles? 18:59:25 <Belugas> eyes that don't see, eyes of love, Ice 18:59:27 <Belugas> As 18:59:35 <Belugas> Ass 18:59:35 <TrueBrain> I like beer 18:59:42 <SmatZ> so do I 18:59:45 <Nite_Owl> At OpenTTD.org is there a reason for the forum link to go to only to the OpenTTD section of the forums instead of the main Board Index. 18:59:46 <TrueBrain> Belugas: tnx! 19:00:12 <Belugas> it's a pleasure to be illogical :D 19:00:17 <Belugas> tnx... pffff 19:00:24 <Belugas> cool, dude! 19:00:30 <TrueBrain> Nite_Owl: ... you really arne't asking that question, are you? 19:00:33 *** Fuco [dota.keys@wireless-122.fi.muni.cz] has quit [Quit: Quit] 19:00:50 <TrueBrain> why when I dial the pizza places, I don't get directories on the line? 19:02:10 <Belugas> "'Cause smoking and tripping is all that you do" 19:02:14 <Belugas> "Yeeeeeaaaa!" 19:03:04 <Nite_Owl> Sort of. I understand the reason but not everyone is 'clever' enough to notice the Board Index link themselves and then move on to the larger world that make up the forums. 19:03:16 <Ammler> Nite_Owl: you can still load the main index with the logo or "Board index" 19:03:44 *** thingwath [~thingwath@morana.sks2.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 19:03:44 <TrueBrain> Nite_Owl: when I call the pizza place, a few people know that they can ask to be redirected to directories ... 19:03:53 <frosch123> Nite_Owl: But it helps neebies to find the correct forum :) 19:06:35 <Nite_Owl> Understood. I did run into someone the other day who didn't know the rest of the forums existed so I was just wondering. Sort of looking to play to the lowest common denominator is all. 19:07:21 <Nite_Owl> I will shut up about it now. 19:08:15 <Ammler> I had once complained why on the wiki page the forum link doesn't like to the openttd category directly 19:09:12 <TrueBrain> Nite_Owl: the reversed question we got tons of times when it was pointing to the main board ... your way around is only asked once 19:09:16 <TrueBrain> about 10 minutes ago 19:09:45 <TrueBrain> (and for a link pointing to the subforums for like 3 years, that is impressive ;)) 19:10:22 <glx> I guess the link is just forum.openttd.org 19:11:31 <Belugas> speakling of the wiki, someone sud (hihi) add an entry to the main wiki page about HOW TO INSTALL the game 19:11:59 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-0-83-170.leed.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 19:12:06 <Belugas> "huuu... what are thos emissing files, dude?" 19:12:13 <TrueBrain> Belugas: you on the other hand my friend, should not drink as much beer :) 19:12:25 <Belugas> ppffffff 19:12:27 <Belugas> hic 19:13:08 <Nite_Owl> The suds picture was darn funny 19:13:08 <Prof_Frink> cd pub/; more beer 19:13:27 <Ammler> http://wiki.openttd.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page <-- Forum link at bottom (by Player Resource) 19:17:07 *** KritiK [~Maxim@93-80-39-236.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 19:20:06 *** KritiK [~Maxim@93-80-39-236.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [] 19:21:59 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0.1/2008070208]] 19:22:34 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:25:08 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-168-128.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 19:25:40 <blathijs> So, wrote another monster post about OpenGFX licensing on the forums... 19:25:55 <blathijs> I intended to write a quick reply... 19:26:13 <Eddi|zuHause> just the usual stuff, then :p 19:27:24 <blathijs> The conclusion is that GPLv2 would be just fine for OpenGFX, so that's good :-) 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[~Bjarni@0x50a46ad5.virnxx14.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:58:38 <ln> ladies and gentlemen, Bjarni has left the channel. 19:59:23 *** KritiK [~Maxim@93-80-39-236.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:59:48 <Sacro_> and the smell has gone with him 20:00:39 <welshdragon2> Sacro_, you evil bastard 20:00:42 <Sacro_> :P 20:00:54 <Nite_Owl> Elvis voice: Thank You Very Much. 20:01:01 <Sacro_> Bjarni loves me really 20:02:41 <welshdragon2> rofl 20:03:02 *** KritiK [~Maxim@93-80-39-236.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 20:04:03 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a46ad5.virnxx14.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 20:04:06 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 20:04:32 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a46ad5.virnxx14.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [] 20:10:19 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0.1/2008070208]] 20:10:51 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:14:29 <Yexo> nice post blathijs, it explains pretty well why gpl v2 is a good option 20:15:54 *** nkx [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 20:15:56 *** nekx [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:16:01 <davis-> gn 20:16:09 *** davis- [~asd@p5B28BC51.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.2 :: www.regroup-esports.com )] 20:16:46 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-75-74-51-51.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon] 20:21:20 <Wolf01> http://www.urlesque.com/2008/09/09/black-herbal-toothpase-looks-like-it-fell-out-of-a-dog/ -_-''' 20:23:07 <ln> ladies and gentlemen, Bjarni has re-entered the channel. 20:23:13 <ln> and re-left. 20:25:40 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5CA94.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 20:26:15 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-75-74-51-51.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 20:30:30 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fcd53.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:30:31 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 20:32:01 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@resnet564.bournemouth.ac.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:32:24 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@resnet564.bournemouth.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 20:38:55 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has quit [Quit: ecke] 20:40:31 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: Poef!] 20:46:39 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A43482.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:51:57 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has joined #openttd 20:54:29 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 20:59:47 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:59:50 <Ammler> I don't see why the license is that important, you didn't need it for distributing the generic trams... 21:00:19 *** Sacro_ [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:00:30 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 21:00:43 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host86-156-59-75.range86-156.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 21:01:00 <Nite_Owl> That was a single person project I believe 21:02:08 *** Aylomen [~a@DSL01.83.171.145.115.ip-pool.NEFkom.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:02:28 <Nite_Owl> So no need for any kind of consensus 21:04:24 <Ammler> I could understand that discussion, if it would be for ALL NewGRFs, but it is only for one . 21:05:15 <Ammler> THAT is something, what should happen, a NewGRF repo with the same license for every author. 21:06:07 <Ammler> but there are already some authors saying, I will give my sprites for OpenGFX as GPL, but the others as CC etc.... 21:07:22 <peter1138> Why should all authors distribute their work under the same license? 21:07:33 <peter1138> (Their separate works, that is) 21:07:44 <Ammler> wouldn't it make a "REPO" easier? 21:08:06 <peter1138> Giving me lots of money would make things easier, and I don't see that happening either. 21:08:44 <Ammler> how would that make it easier? 21:09:46 <Ammler> why was there no such discussions for other "Forum" GRFs like USSet, JPSet etc.? 21:10:03 *** welshdragon2 is now known as welshdragon 21:10:07 <Ammler> or ISR 21:10:31 <Ammler> they needed around 5 posts to decide that. 21:11:13 <Nite_Owl> larger group = larger number of opinions 21:11:33 <Eddi|zuHause> because USSet, JPSet etc. are not intended to be an integral part of OpenTTD 21:11:46 <Nite_Owl> That too 21:12:48 <Ammler> if it would become integral part of OpenTTD, it would not need a license 21:13:01 <Ammler> it would use the same... 21:13:18 <Ammler> afaik, it will only be distributed with, like generic trams. 21:13:57 <Nite_Owl> That's the conclusion that was finally reached after all of the discussions 21:13:58 <Prof_Frink> Ammler: If it was part of openTTD is specifically needs a license that is compatible with GPLv2 21:14:51 <Ammler> well, I just mean, they needed around 10 pages to decide GPL is fine, other projects with same amount of people needed 5 posts. 21:17:10 <Nite_Owl> The discussion did go on for longer then was needed but that is just the way it goes sometimes 21:17:14 *** welshdragon [~vista@adsl-83-100-138-245.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:18:56 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Quit: Ik ga weg] 21:19:14 <Ammler> Prof_Frink: or no license like most things "addons" have. 21:19:15 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 21:21:52 *** mode/#openttd [+o orudge] by ChanServ 21:31:08 *** welshdragon [~vista@adsl-83-100-138-245.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 21:34:03 <Wolf01> 'night 21:34:15 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host213-160-dynamic.56-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 21:36:08 <blathijs> Yexo: Now let's just hope I've gathered enough license-fu over the years to make my interpretations actually correct :-) 21:45:50 <peter1138> Errr 21:45:58 <peter1138> Saving a network game as a spectator... 21:46:04 <peter1138> (undefined string), 14th May 2040 21:46:43 <peter1138> And an empty error message when loading it... 21:46:56 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe put the server name instead of the company name? 21:48:56 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: [FATAL] Client error: Memory leak - More RAM needed. 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More!] 21:51:18 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 22:09:27 *** mikegrb [~michael@mikegrb.netrep.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:09:43 *** mikegrb [~michael@mail.thegrebs.com] has joined #openttd 22:12:01 *** Zahl [~Zahl@e176224019.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: (~_~]"] 22:16:39 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:29:13 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-168-128.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:39:02 *** Yeggstry [~mind@cpc1-rdng14-0-0-cust946.winn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:39:22 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-111-36.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [Quit: Caught sigterm, terminating...] 22:44:20 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B8425A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:46:45 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B82232.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 22:46:47 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 23:04:52 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-0-83-170.leed.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 23:11:33 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C016.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:25:50 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r14397 /trunk/src/ (train_cmd.cpp video/win32_v.cpp win32.cpp): -Fix: possible buffer overrun, wrong parameter type passed to printf and && where || is meant. Found by MSVC's code analysis (Darkvater) 23:29:22 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@147.251.215.232] has joined #openttd 23:29:49 *** elmex [~elmex@e180064184.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:31:40 <Eddi|zuHause> someone having a relapse? :p 23:32:14 <Rubidium> nah, someone playing with his university's toys 23:33:31 <Brianetta> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=39740 23:39:59 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-75-74-51-51.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has left #openttd [] 23:40:19 *** fjb [~frank@p5485FB76.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:40:23 <fjb> Hello 23:43:54 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:45:03 <Ammler> Brianetta: I like that idea with the stop line to turn around. 23:45:41 <Ammler> I never reached that it worked... 23:47:09 <Brianetta> Ammler: Check out the saved game 23:49:31 <Ammler> yeah, just did, dunno, what I have done wrong. 23:52:59 <Ammler> nice guide, but 23:53:19 <Ammler> it isn't such a "special style", imo. 23:54:58 <Brianetta> It's not special 23:54:59 <Brianetta> it's mine 23:55:06 <Brianetta> which is why it's in my user space 23:55:16 <Ammler> :-P 23:55:33 <Brianetta> All my terminus stations are really rarely used 23:55:48 <Brianetta> Mostly they're used by people who learned it from me on my server 23:56:16 <Ammler> did you play already with NARS2? 23:56:21 <Brianetta> no 23:56:27 <Ammler> there are trains, which don't turn around 23:56:35 <Brianetta> at the end of the line? 23:56:38 <Ammler> you need to do that with orders... and sidlines 23:56:53 <Brianetta> Plenty of scope for that 23:57:12 <Ammler> well, actually, dunno if NARS2 has those, but Canset has it for sure. 23:57:41 <Ammler> Brianetta: yes, they are called push&pull on the canset. 23:58:17 <Ammler> Brianetta: http://www.openttdcoop.org/ammler/test-0000.mpeg 23:59:57 *** Zorn [zorn@e177230167.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd