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00:00:01 *** mcbane [~Maui_key@p5498FBDB.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 00:04:19 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@resnet605.bournemouth.ac.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:13:53 *** Zahl [~Zahl@f051113232.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: (~_~]"] 00:16:33 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@147.251.215.232] has quit [Quit: Quit] 00:24:01 *** senquack [~senquack@74.211.36.154] has joined #openttd 00:25:28 <fjb> I guess. 00:26:49 <fjb> I'm giving up on this game. UKRS trains have running costs that high again that I'm losing only money. Maybe I should play on flat land only with the UKRS set. 00:27:09 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B76176.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:32:48 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B76176.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 00:33:05 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B760DE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:33:27 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B76F59.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:38:43 *** KritiK [~Maxim@89-178-230-61.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:47:18 *** senquack [~senquack@74.211.36.154] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:50:48 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D1FE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:51:08 *** senquack [~senquack@74.211.36.154] has joined #openttd 01:14:55 *** fjb_ [~frank@p5485C008.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:15:39 <ccfreak2k> I had an idea. 01:15:43 <ccfreak2k> "wine" cargo. 01:15:53 <ccfreak2k> The longer it's in transit, the higher its value. :) 01:18:44 *** fjb [~frank@p5485BE59.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:23:20 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has quit [Quit: ecke] 01:23:28 *** fjb_ [~frank@p5485C008.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 01:26:38 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 01:26:53 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:27:19 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 01:56:10 *** DephNet[Paul] [~paul@office.dephnet.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:26:23 *** Sacro_ [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 02:33:02 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:33:11 *** Sacro_ is now known as Sacro 02:33:18 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:33:24 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 02:40:21 <Tekky> ccfreak2k: lol :) 02:41:36 *** Tekky [~chatzilla@p5493D776.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0.3/2008092417]] 02:47:37 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has joined #openttd 03:01:55 *** elmex_ [~elmex@e180065097.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 03:06:56 *** elmex [~elmex@e180066140.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:06:58 *** elmex_ is now known as elmex 03:53:54 *** Sacro_ [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 04:00:07 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:28:20 *** letto [~letto@86.120.69.236] has joined #openttd 04:29:42 <De_Ghosty> lol 04:30:09 <De_Ghosty> so you stack em in a uber dense stacking garage 04:30:17 <De_Ghosty> leave the game on for a year 04:30:28 <De_Ghosty> and you crash it when it gets delievered? 04:33:36 *** Dr_Jekyll [Dr_Jekyll@p57B0EB0E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: http://www.lagerwiki.de - das Wiki rund um's Thema Lager und Logistik] 04:43:59 <Sacro_> hmm, never assume an object is assigned 04:46:22 <Sacro_> This method does not change the value of this DateTime. Instead, a new DateTime is returned whose value is the result of this operation. <- now what is the point of that D: 04:55:09 *** letto [~letto@86.120.69.236] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:07:48 *** [demi]Xerres [~Mewes@d-206-53-71-234.cpe.metrocast.net] has joined #openttd 05:07:48 *** Xerres [~Mewes@d-206-53-71-234.cpe.metrocast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:15:37 *** Rexxie [~rexxars@62.113.133.253] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:21:20 *** Rexxie [~rexxars@62.113.133.253] has joined #openttd 05:26:28 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 05:32:52 *** Sacro_ [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:47:12 *** DJNekkid [~chatzilla@static128-249.adsl.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:02:25 *** Jezral [~projectjj@85.27.135.237] has joined #openttd 06:07:28 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:07:36 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 06:07:39 *** dvo [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 06:09:22 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@85.27.135.237] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:10:11 *** Ridayah [~ridayah@12-208-15-67.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:41:43 *** sulai [~Miranda@p5B2B7701.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:01:09 *** senquack [~senquack@74.211.36.154] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:03:38 *** fonso [~fonso@brln-d9bac83e.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 07:15:20 *** mikl [~mikl@cpe.ge-0-2-0-812.0x50c774be.boanqu1.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 07:18:28 *** boekabart [525c0bbb@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 07:20:50 <boekabart> good morning 07:21:00 <boekabart> (or other parts of day) 07:23:14 *** Eddi|zuHause2 is now known as Eddi|zuHause 07:28:41 *** wgrant [~wgrant@c122-108-27-22.eburwd9.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:28:53 *** boekabart [525c0bbb@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 07:29:08 *** boekabart [525c0bbb@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 07:36:41 *** welshdragon [~vista@adsl-83-100-138-245.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 07:38:51 *** wgrant [~wgrant@c122-108-27-22.eburwd9.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 07:41:18 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 07:44:06 *** Yeggzzz is now known as Yeggs-work 07:44:26 *** Vikthor [~novotv6@pc404-16.feld.cvut.cz] has joined #openttd 07:51:08 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 07:52:13 *** Vikthor [~novotv6@pc404-16.feld.cvut.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:00:31 *** fonso [~fonso@brln-d9bac83e.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:02:54 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@144.138.223.18] has joined #openttd 08:03:33 <Doorslammer> Anyone tell me what version VisualBasic is recommended for programming? 08:03:54 <planetmaker> qbasic found with msdos 5.0 ;) 08:04:03 <keyweed> none. 08:04:34 <Doorslammer> Reason I ask was I found a copy of 5.0 in a charity bin. Should I have left it there? :P 08:04:51 <Sacro> Doorslammer: none 08:04:57 <Doorslammer> Bah 08:05:20 <Doorslammer> Thought that would have been the go. Oh well, back in the bin it goes ;) 08:06:20 <boekabart> Doorslammer: If you want to program VB nowadays, I'd recommend Visual Basic 2008 Express 08:06:29 <boekabart> it's free and 'the latest' :L http://www.microsoft.com/express/vb/ 08:06:33 *** letto [~letto@86.120.69.153] has joined #openttd 08:06:51 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-111-36.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [Quit: Caught sigterm, terminating...] 08:07:57 <Doorslammer> Fair enough 08:08:02 * Doorslammer wanders on over 08:09:06 <boekabart> But only do that if you really know basic already and don't want to learn smth else. If you want to learn programming, i'd recommend visual c++ express or visual c# express more: just as free but you'll gain more respect :P 08:09:20 * Rubidium wonders why someone would want to use VisualBasic 08:09:30 <keyweed> masochism? 08:09:49 * boekabart 'installed' gwbasic last week 08:09:54 <boekabart> ... out of masochism 08:09:58 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-111-36.fttx.bbned.nl] has joined #openttd 08:10:01 <boekabart> and for-old-times-sake 08:10:50 * boekabart wonders whether he should tell that he also installed TASM at the same time.... 08:12:25 <peter1138> VB 2008 Express is .Net only, isn't it? 08:12:34 <Rubidium> peter1138: yes 08:12:43 *** Rexxie [~rexxars@62.113.133.253] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:12:45 <peter1138> So it's much better than VB 5 or 6 :D 08:13:52 <peter1138> All of MS's .NET language are pretty much the same, just with slightly different syntactic sugar. 08:14:04 <peter1138> +s 08:14:23 <Doorslammer> As I say, I didn't set out to use VB, I just 'found' it ;) 08:14:38 <peter1138> I'd unfind VB 5... 08:14:48 <Rubidium> yup... and in all you can create leaky applications ;) 08:15:41 <peter1138> Garbage collection, feh. 08:16:11 <Rubidium> peter1138: but you can disable the garbage collection 08:16:54 * peter1138 is perfectly capable of creating a leaky application in any language :) 08:17:40 <keyweed> including haskel? and lips? 08:17:43 <keyweed> *lisp 08:18:40 <Doorslammer> I guess you lot are right. Let's see if some silly sod buys a PC app in a charity op shop :P 08:20:22 *** Rexxie [~rexxars@62.113.133.253] has joined #openttd 08:20:32 *** Zealotus [~Ping@78-69-54-150-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:25:29 *** welshdragon [~vista@adsl-83-100-138-245.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:26:30 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5CA12.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 08:32:07 <Eddi|zuHause> i've had 2 line applications in haskell run out of memory ;) 08:32:26 <Eddi|zuHause> granted, i wanted to calculate all prime numbers... 08:32:43 <Eddi|zuHause> and it's not actually leaking ;) 08:33:10 <keyweed> infinity is a bitch. 08:33:35 <Eddi|zuHause> i _could_ have fitted the two lines in one ;) 08:34:14 <keyweed> at the moment i couldn't write a line of haskell if my life depended on it. 08:34:31 <keyweed> and is sincerely hope my life will never depend on a line of haskell code. 08:35:23 <peter1138> Err, yeah... maybe not in all languages :) 08:37:00 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm sure one could write a common language interpreter in haskell ;) 08:37:34 *** mortal [~mortal@217.61.144.15] has joined #openttd 08:38:20 <Eddi|zuHause> back then my haskell skills produced lines like: 08:38:22 <Eddi|zuHause> sieb (n:x) (xs) = (n:z) where (y,z) =(takeWhile (<n*n) xs, sieb (x++y) (filter (\x->x `mod` n /= 0) (drop (length y) (xs)))) 08:38:24 <Eddi|zuHause> sieb _ _ = [] 08:38:49 <Eddi|zuHause> calculate all primes with: 08:38:50 <Eddi|zuHause> 2:sieb [3] [5,7..] 08:39:03 <Eddi|zuHause> (that's the optimised variant :)) 08:39:46 <peter1138> Hmm, received a packet of sweets via ebay :o 08:41:06 <Eddi|zuHause> bah... i should have commented my code back then :p 08:42:15 *** mcbane [~Maui_key@p5498F4BF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:43:39 <Eddi|zuHause> http://nopaste.php-q.net/52888 <- someone can tell me what each of these functions do? ;) 08:43:55 <TrueBrain> it's a .... boekabart! NOOOOOOooooooooooooooooooooooooo :p 08:44:13 <boekabart> not a, THE 08:44:34 *** Celestar [~Jadzia_Da@129.187.69.65] has joined #openttd 08:44:35 *** mode/#openttd [+o Celestar] by ChanServ 08:44:45 <TrueBrain> boekabart: that we don't know for sure of course 08:44:46 <TrueBrain> morning Celestar 08:44:54 <boekabart> TrueBrain: ask nickserv :) 08:45:32 <TrueBrain> nickservs can be hacked 08:45:54 <TrueBrain> but lets go with it,y ou are the boekabart :p 08:46:01 <TrueBrain> in that case: how are you? :) 08:46:13 <TrueBrain> and maybe more important: what brings you here? :p 08:46:44 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@147.251.215.232] has joined #openttd 08:46:59 *** fjb [~frank@p5485C008.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:47:07 <fjb> Hello 08:47:25 <TrueBrain> morning fjb 08:47:56 <boekabart> i'm okay thank you 08:48:15 <boekabart> what brings me here? well.. being in-between-projects at work :) 08:48:39 <TrueBrain> good :) 08:49:02 <boekabart> just taking a look at all my patches - which ones are worth updating 08:50:11 <boekabart> i noticed that in about 550 commits, it's time for cake again :P 08:50:32 <Eddi|zuHause> i have a little cake spare ;) 08:50:44 <TrueBrain> at your place this time,k? :p 08:50:56 *** [demi]Xerres [~Mewes@d-206-53-71-234.cpe.metrocast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:52:28 <fjb> At Eddi|zuHause's place? That is not that far from here, I will be there. 08:52:59 <murray> ok see you guys there 08:53:07 * murray runs 08:53:09 <TrueBrain> fjb: no, at boekabart's place 08:53:12 <TrueBrain> try to keep up 08:53:32 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm not sure if you can find my place ;) 08:54:12 <TrueBrain> but fjb, if you pay me the ticket, Eddi|zuHause's house will be fine 08:54:26 <TrueBrain> but as he is always 'to house', I am not sure he has one :p 08:54:56 <Eddi|zuHause> that's a slight mistranslation ;) 08:55:01 *** Xerres [~Mewes@d-206-53-71-234.cpe.metrocast.net] has joined #openttd 08:55:07 <fjb> If I had the money to pay a ticked I would also visit the party at boekabart's place. 08:55:08 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: don't you love it? :) 08:55:33 * boekabart wonders what happened 08:56:23 <Eddi|zuHause> which town would boekabart's place be? 08:56:28 <TrueBrain> boekabart: big bala boem! 08:56:40 <TrueBrain> (reference to 5th element, for those who are unknowing) 08:56:45 <peter1138> r14967 is cake-worthy? 08:57:03 *** Jezral is now known as TinoDidriksen 08:57:16 <Eddi|zuHause> no, it's not prime... 08:57:25 <boekabart> I said about. By which I meant of course, r14958 is cakeworthy 08:57:34 <boekabart> (any takers?) 08:58:10 <TrueBrain> no 08:58:22 * peter1138 is unaware of the significance of 14958. 08:58:35 <boekabart> 15000 - 14958 = 08:58:47 <peter1138> I see. 08:58:51 <peter1138> That's pretty tenuous. 08:58:59 <boekabart> Admitted 08:59:00 <TrueBrain> far fetched 08:59:37 <Eddi|zuHause> so really... which town? 08:59:43 <boekabart> so, how long does it historically take to make 583 commits? 08:59:55 <boekabart> eindhoven.nl 09:00:06 <TrueBrain> boekabart: it can be done in like 5 minutes 09:00:08 <peter1138> Between 5 days and 5 months. 09:00:28 * boekabart DID write historically 09:01:04 <Eddi|zuHause> tickets seem to be about 100⬠for that route 09:01:29 *** boekabart [525c0bbb@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:02:49 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... there used to be an option "only regional trains"... 09:03:50 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... that takes 4 hours longer... 09:04:08 <peter1138> Bah, silly Asterisk. 09:04:22 <peter1138> (Or more likely, silly person who administrates Asterisk) 09:04:53 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: we can also find a place in between 09:05:28 <Eddi|zuHause> if i take the train starting at 12:05 here, it takes 11:19 with 7 transits, or 12:19 with 6 transits... 09:06:21 <peter1138> Hmm, are Seagate Barracudas any good? 09:06:35 <TrueBrain> so you will arrive at midnight ..cool :p 09:07:15 <TrueBrain> peter1138: it is seagate .. 09:07:23 <peter1138> That doesn't mean much to me. 09:07:24 <Eddi|zuHause> but it can't tell me the price... 09:07:50 *** fonso [~fonso@brln-d9bac83e.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 09:08:23 <TrueBrain> peter1138: it once was very good, then it became crap, and I don't know its current quality 09:08:39 <peter1138> Exactly. I think the same happened to pretty much all of them... 09:09:00 <peter1138> Deskstars were once a big no-no... 09:09:06 <TrueBrain> except WD 09:09:34 <peter1138> Yeah... that dead 120GB drive I spent a week copying? That was a WD :) 09:10:10 <TrueBrain> Western Digital always have been good disks :) 09:10:15 <TrueBrain> haha 09:10:16 <TrueBrain> bad luck :p 09:11:21 <Eddi|zuHause> "good disks" doesn't mean "never ever fail" 09:12:17 <TrueBrain> very true 09:12:27 <TrueBrain> SMART mostly gives a good indiciation when they will fail :p 09:12:38 <TrueBrain> (but who has a smart monitor enabled these days) 09:13:35 <TrueBrain> 7 Seek_Error_Rate 0x000f 085 060 030 Pre-fail Always - 360302903 09:13:35 <TrueBrain> hehe 09:13:52 *** Netsplit synthon.oftc.net <-> larich.oftc.net quits: Bergee, Xerres 09:14:29 *** Netsplit over, joins: Xerres 09:14:29 *** the_bat [~bart.mous@94-40-44-2.tktelekom.pl] has joined #openttd 09:15:15 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... i could go Halle-Hannover-Bielefeld-Duisburg-Viersen-Venlo-Nijmegen-'s-Hertogenbosch-Eindhoven (11:19) or Halle-Eichenberg-Göttingen-Ottbergen[wth is that?]-Paderborn-Hamm(Westf)-Venlo-Nijmegen-'s-Hertogenbosch-Eindhoven (11:34) ;) 09:15:22 <peter1138> 7 Seek_Error_Rate 0x000a 253 252 000 Old_age Always - 0 09:15:28 <peter1138> Pompiedom 09:16:01 <Eddi|zuHause> which program can display this smart stuff? 09:16:01 <TrueBrain> lol @ Eddi|zuHause .. maybe you should just stay at home :p 09:16:06 <TrueBrain> we set up a VoIP connection ;) 09:16:12 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: under linux, smartctl 09:16:13 <peter1138> 9 Power_On_Minutes 0x0032 169 169 000 Old_age Always - 772h+13m 09:16:20 <peter1138> 772 hours? That's a lie. 09:16:34 <TrueBrain> 9 Power_On_Hours 0x0032 097 097 000 Old_age Always - 2900 09:16:46 <TrueBrain> 3 Spin_Up_Time 0x0003 196 196 021 Pre-fail Always - 5191 09:16:53 <TrueBrain> so I boot my computer once every 2 hours? :p 09:16:57 <TrueBrain> (stats can be so wrong :)) 09:17:27 <the_bat> I get new grf with new trains exact it's North American Renewal Set (NARS2) new trains from 1850 to 2050 but when I set the start date to 1850 I can't build train track's what is wrong? 09:17:37 <peter1138> ATA Error Count: 382 (device log contains only the most recent five errors) 09:17:38 <TrueBrain> oh wait, it is a remote disk .. possible it does that many spin-ups .. 09:17:51 <peter1138> :o 09:17:54 *** Zorn [zorn@e177231173.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 09:18:22 <peter1138> Error 382 occurred at disk power-on lifetime: 22497 hours (937 days + 9 hours) 09:18:26 <peter1138> That's more like it. 09:18:29 <TrueBrain> peter1138: as long as that number doesn't explode ;) 09:18:36 <Eddi|zuHause> smartmontools... sounds like the right package 09:18:38 <peter1138> Error: ICRC, ABRT at LBA = 0x0365c497 = 57001111 09:19:02 <peter1138> TrueBrain, this is "only" an 80GB, so... 09:19:15 <peter1138> I'm thinking a pair of 500GBs should do. 09:19:24 <peter1138> But clearly not Seagate :p 09:19:26 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't have 80GB spare... 09:19:29 <TrueBrain> peter1138: isn't Power_On_NNN the amount of time it is currentyl active? 09:19:49 <peter1138> TrueBrain, nope. That's only 4 days. 09:19:52 <TrueBrain> 195 Hardware_ECC_Recovered 0x001a 066 058 000 Old_age Always - 82391501 09:19:53 <TrueBrain> lol 09:19:56 <peter1138> Ouch 09:20:08 <peter1138> 195 Hardware_ECC_Recovered 0x000a 253 252 000 Old_age Always - 7702 09:20:16 <TrueBrain> the dedicated server of OpenTTD gives that 09:20:24 <peter1138> :o 09:20:44 <peter1138> Please to be giving us new drives, LeaseWeb? 09:20:54 <TrueBrain> ECC recoveries can also be lazy reads 09:21:12 *** Zorni [zorn@e177112220.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:21:17 <peter1138> Some errors can be caused by a dodgy CDROM drive on the same channel, though. 09:21:21 <TrueBrain> it has nothing to do with the quality of the drive itself 09:21:28 <TrueBrain> there are no read errors or anything 09:21:36 *** Xerres [~Mewes@d-206-53-71-234.cpe.metrocast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:21:42 <TrueBrain> SATA 09:21:45 <TrueBrain> so doubtful :) 09:22:12 <TrueBrain> but, it is a Seage Barracuda :p 09:22:14 <TrueBrain> Seaget 09:22:17 <TrueBrain> Seagate 09:22:18 <TrueBrain> grr 09:22:26 <TrueBrain> anyway, RAID-mirror, both giving ECC recovers :p 09:24:59 <peter1138> :o 09:25:18 <peter1138> Pair of 500GB WDs... 09:25:23 <peter1138> Hmm, can I afford that right now... 09:25:40 <TrueBrain> if you have money, buy the RAID versions of WD 09:25:45 <TrueBrain> much longer lifetime 09:25:46 <peter1138> The good lady, of course, wants a new oven and a new television. 09:25:59 <peter1138> TrueBrain, there's not much listed for PATA drives these days :( 09:26:14 <TrueBrain> PATA? 09:26:16 <TrueBrain> nevermind :p 09:26:30 <peter1138> I could fit a SATA card, but... 09:26:33 <peter1138> That's yet more cost. 09:27:06 <TrueBrain> you can also just get a new one in that case :p 09:27:07 <TrueBrain> hehe 09:27:15 <TrueBrain> PATA is fine, depending on what you using it for of course 09:27:23 <peter1138> For my server, of course. 09:27:24 <Eddi|zuHause> Error 8 occurred at disk power-on lifetime: 7930 hours (330 days + 10 hours) 09:27:26 <Eddi|zuHause> Error: UNC 3 sectors at LBA = 0x005f783c = 6256700 09:27:29 <peter1138> Mostly idle, I suspect ;) 09:27:34 <Eddi|zuHause> what does that mean? 09:27:53 <TrueBrain> WD5000AAKB <- as good as any other 09:28:13 <peter1138> How did you know what was in the list? 09:28:26 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: nothing to worry about :) 09:28:36 <TrueBrain> for all those numbers the rule is: as long as they don't explode, don't worry 09:28:52 *** Xerres [~Mewes@d-206-53-71-234.cpe.metrocast.net] has joined #openttd 09:28:52 <TrueBrain> so if every day you get a new error, don't worry .. when it starts to increase with 100 errors, worry 09:29:00 <peter1138> *nod* 09:29:09 <TrueBrain> peter1138: I just looked into the available IDE disks for WDs 09:29:11 <peter1138> And run smartd. 09:29:15 <TrueBrain> picked the only 500 GB still available 09:29:28 <peter1138> Hehe 09:29:45 <peter1138> There's a 750GB Seagate, but that's twice the price of the 500s... and is Seagate. 09:30:00 <TrueBrain> it has a 16 MB cache, so it will run smooth ;) 09:30:11 <TrueBrain> hehe 09:30:16 <TrueBrain> how much do you want to store ;) 09:30:33 <TrueBrain> I manage like 50 servers, non have a storage of > 500 (besides the backup servers) 09:30:43 <TrueBrain> (webhosting btw) 09:30:51 <TrueBrain> when you exceed 500 ... you need a new server :p 09:31:14 <peter1138> I might possibly be storing lots of audio. 09:31:28 <peter1138> Dunno yet. 09:31:44 <peter1138> Oh, and a few OpenTTD checkouts ;) 09:31:44 <Eddi|zuHause> ==> WARNING: IBM Deskstar 60GXP drives may need upgraded SMART firmware. <- do i have to worry about those? :p 09:31:48 <TrueBrain> hehehe 09:31:54 <TrueBrain> 500 GB ... 1 MB per minute 09:31:58 <TrueBrain> @calc 500 * 1000 09:31:58 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: 500000 09:32:02 <TrueBrain> @calc 500 * 1000 / 60 / 60 09:32:02 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: 138.888888889 09:32:12 <TrueBrain> 138 hours of music :p 09:32:23 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: I personally wouldn't :p 09:32:45 <peter1138> I'd worry about it being a Deskstar ;) 09:33:08 <Eddi|zuHause> it only holds my windows partition ;) 09:33:46 <peter1138> Oh, then who cares :) 09:34:18 <TrueBrain> hehe @ peter1138 :) 09:34:22 <Eddi|zuHause> 195 Hardware_ECC_Recovered 0x001a 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 12823699 <-? 09:35:00 <Eddi|zuHause> numbers with more than 3 digits scare me... 09:35:22 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: don't worry :) 09:35:28 <peter1138> Mind you, this 80GB does not have much used... 09:35:32 <keyweed> then don't look at the stock market losses 09:36:13 <Eddi|zuHause> 190 Airflow_Temperature_Cel 0x0022 066 033 045 Old_age Always In_the_past 34 (22 97 35 31) <- uh oh 09:36:25 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: ECC is used for normal operations too, so it is not so much a problem, rather something to speed up reading :p 09:36:43 <Eddi|zuHause> 1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate 0x000f 117 099 006 Pre-fail Always - 144292982 09:36:47 *** mortal [~mortal@217.61.144.15] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:36:56 *** Xerres [~Mewes@d-206-53-71-234.cpe.metrocast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:37:06 <TrueBrain> see, that value is worriebla :) 09:37:18 <peter1138> 97? 09:37:21 <Eddi|zuHause> 7 Seek_Error_Rate 0x000f 071 060 030 Pre-fail Always - 13046639 09:37:41 <peter1138> 194 Temperature_Celsius 0x0032 253 253 000 Old_age Always - 15 09:38:02 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: seek-error-rate is normal too 09:38:09 <TrueBrain> raw-read-errors on the other hand, are bad .... 09:38:29 <TrueBrain> that indicates the start of the end of the life of a HD 09:38:34 <Eddi|zuHause> that's a seagate btw. 09:38:43 <Eddi|zuHause> and it's my newest drive 09:39:04 <TrueBrain> 15 C? Or F? 09:39:17 <Eddi|zuHause> it says Celsius ;) 09:39:25 <peter1138> 15F would be a bit insane. 09:39:44 <TrueBrain> true :) 09:40:11 <TrueBrain> 15C too 09:40:24 <keyweed> better then 97C 09:40:26 <peter1138> Why is that insane? 09:40:33 <TrueBrain> true 09:40:38 <keyweed> how cold is the server room? 09:40:53 <keyweed> for the drive to be 15C the server room needs to be _really_ cold 09:40:57 <peter1138> About 20C on average. 09:40:58 <TrueBrain> peter1138: how to get the room temperate at 15C? :s 09:41:13 <Eddi|zuHause> well, my other drives report stuff like this: 09:41:14 <Eddi|zuHause> 194 Temperature_Celsius 0x0002 171 171 000 Old_age Always - 32 (Lifetime Min/Max 11/69) 09:41:17 <TrueBrain> so your disks are cooler then the room ... 09:41:27 <keyweed> so unless you've got a very fancy cooling system i think the temp sensor is bust 09:41:49 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: always an option is that smart doesn't know the drive it is reading, and misread data :) 09:41:52 <peter1138> CPU1 Temperature | 22.000 | degrees C | ok | na | na | 192.000 | na | na | na 09:42:12 <peter1138> The machine room here has overhead airconditioning. 09:42:17 <TrueBrain> more reasonable 09:42:19 <peter1138> And my server sits in the blast of air from that. 09:42:26 <Eddi|zuHause> it says "In smartctl database" 09:42:34 <Eddi|zuHause> for all drives 09:42:34 *** Xerres [~Mewes@d-206-53-71-234.cpe.metrocast.net] has joined #openttd 09:42:36 <peter1138> So it has pretty cold air being sucked over the drive. 09:42:49 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: there are MANY disks .. so mistakes ARE possible :p 09:43:22 <Eddi|zuHause> but it does match my suspicions about the system failures i got in the past 09:44:00 <TrueBrain> really cold .. :p 09:44:26 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: how useful this channel can be :p 09:44:41 <Eddi|zuHause> i should really send this drive in, but i have no space to put the data on 09:44:52 <Eddi|zuHause> it's as big as all my other drives together... 09:45:14 <TrueBrain> buy a new one 09:45:18 <TrueBrain> 70 euros for 500 GB 09:45:30 <Eddi|zuHause> well, i'd still need two of those... 09:45:40 <tokai> does SmartCtl report actual errors? 09:45:48 <Eddi|zuHause> i bought this 1TB one for 130⬠or something, half a year ago 09:45:50 <TrueBrain> in general 09:45:54 <tokai> maybe try a full selftest if the drive supports it 09:46:01 <TrueBrain> hehe 09:46:03 <TrueBrain> auch 09:46:26 <tokai> TrueBrain: my question was not generally meant.. i was wondering if it reports errors for Eddi ;) 09:46:47 <tokai> btw, MorphOS dies happily if it encounters a bad block ;) 09:47:00 <TrueBrain> ah :) 09:47:13 <TrueBrain> nasty :) 09:47:15 <tokai> had to replace 2 drives this year 09:48:13 <tokai> now I'm using a small 2,5" SATA ones. :) silent.. less heat in the case. 09:48:19 <tokai> -a 09:48:24 <TrueBrain> I just one so far :p But that was because of head crashes 09:48:40 <tokai> well.. the drives were still working 09:48:48 <tokai> just both had a bad block each 09:49:07 <tokai> and the software to mark bad blocks only works on x86 boxes ;) 09:49:17 <TrueBrain> nasty :) 09:49:21 *** the_bat [~bart.mous@94-40-44-2.tktelekom.pl] has quit [] 09:49:39 <TrueBrain> port it ;) 09:49:54 <tokai> TrueBrain: propritary stuff. no source.. nothing to port:) 09:50:12 <tokai> the time invested in that would be more worth than buying new drives anyway:) 09:50:13 <TrueBrain> bah 09:50:17 <TrueBrain> write your own :) 09:50:32 <peter1138> Easier to use a sane OS. 09:50:52 <tokai> That's no fun. 09:51:00 <peter1138> Oh no! My memory usage has gone up to 2.77% :o 09:51:13 <TrueBrain> peter1138: REBOOT! 09:51:21 <tokai> I rather drive an oldtimer with new engine than some 0815 car everyone else drives ;) 09:52:08 <peter1138> Hmm, even with caches and buffers taken into account, there is 2.8GB free... 09:52:33 <TrueBrain> haha 09:52:34 <TrueBrain> nice :) 09:52:38 * tokai pets his 128MB 09:52:56 <peter1138> The server came with 4GB... who am I to argue? 09:53:12 <peter1138> Hmm, I wonder how much that would cost to buy. 09:53:19 <TrueBrain> hahahahaha 09:53:52 <Forked> sheezus. I applied for a new job.. sent the CV in a .txt file (max compatability with plain text, right?) .. WRONG! .. the secretary called me and asked for the CV in a .doc file, since she couldn't open the .txt 09:53:54 <tokai> Quite a waste IMHO. :) I have no machine with more than 512Mb here:) 09:53:57 * Forked cries 09:53:57 <peter1138> I guess it's DDR, rather than DDR2. 09:54:28 <TrueBrain> poor Forked 09:54:30 <peter1138> Ah, 4GB of ECC DDR is only £120. 09:54:33 <TrueBrain> do you want to work there? 09:54:39 <peter1138> Which, incidentally, is the price I paid for the server. 09:55:03 <Forked> TrueBrain: well it was just the secretary .. most others should know a thing or two considering that they deliver broadband (always-on) by satelite to ships 09:55:07 <tokai> peter1138: why was it that cheap? 09:55:32 <peter1138> Because it's about 4 years old. 09:55:43 <TrueBrain> lol @ peter1138 :) 09:56:35 <peter1138> And everyone knows a 4 year old server has no use, so they're flogged on ebay. 09:56:40 <peter1138> Or something. 09:56:47 <tokai> peter1138: ic.. not used to such cases where old hardware gets cheaper... in our market it's the opposite.. the more rare/ harder it gets the higher the prices go ;) 09:57:13 <peter1138> Of course, we're still using P200s in servers here because there is absolutely no need to replace them. 09:58:25 <TrueBrain> if it aint broken, don't fix it :p 09:58:43 <peter1138> Exactly... just back it up in case it does break... 09:58:44 *** Volley [~worf@84-119-74-178.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #openttd 09:59:01 <peter1138> And then put in a 4 year old server to replace it that is vastly overspecced... 09:59:06 <TrueBrain> up to a few weeks ago, the astronomy center here still used a 486 to do surveys of the sky .. it was working, so why would you replace it :p 09:59:16 *** Xerres [~Mewes@d-206-53-71-234.cpe.metrocast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:00:47 <TrueBrain> but it broke down, so now it is replaced with a p2 or so :p 10:01:20 *** Xerres [~Mewes@d-206-53-71-234.cpe.metrocast.net] has joined #openttd 10:01:47 <peter1138> One of my mail servers is a Celeron 500... 10:02:08 <peter1138> Never put in 'stop gap' solutions, I tell you. 10:02:28 <TrueBrain> haha 10:02:29 <TrueBrain> insane :p 10:02:33 <TrueBrain> I never had a Celeron 10:02:34 <TrueBrain> never .. 10:03:09 <peter1138> I used it in a development system for testing out configurations and such like. 10:03:22 <peter1138> Then someone decided it was working fine and turned it into a production system. 10:04:07 *** mortal [~mortal@217.61.144.15] has joined #openttd 10:04:15 <TrueBrain> nasty .. 10:05:04 <fjb> Are house grfs not working when starting a game in 1830? 10:07:33 <peter1138> smartd[17277]: Device: /dev/hda, SMART Usage Attribute: 199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count changed from 151 to 174 10:07:36 <peter1138> Hmm 10:09:22 <fjb> Oh 10:09:51 <peter1138> fjb: Depends... the house GRF may be geared for starting at 1920. 10:11:07 <fjb> Hm, I will test that. It's the north american building set. Could be that a starting date before 1920 is not intended with that set. 10:11:43 <fjb> What happens if I'm loading two building sets? 10:12:04 <peter1138> Then you get two building sets :) 10:12:40 <fjb> Does one take precedence when new houses are build? 10:14:21 <TrueBrain> why do snooze buttons snooze for 9 minutes .. or 7 .. 10:14:26 <TrueBrain> why never 5 or 10 10:15:21 <Celestar> I have one that snoozes for 5 (= 10:15:26 <TrueBrain> I WANT IT ! 10:15:47 <fjb> Hm, north american building set works when starting 1880... strange. 10:16:17 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... how do i start smartd? when i start it just like that, it exits right away 10:16:47 <Eddi|zuHause> well, after like 3 seconds 10:16:57 <TrueBrain> follow what it says .. 10:17:33 <peter1138> I edited /etc/default/smartmontools, but that's on Debian. 10:17:54 <Eddi|zuHause> it says nothing 10:18:01 <TrueBrain> same here 10:18:24 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm just reading /etc/smartd.conf if i find something interesting there 10:18:36 <peter1138> http://www.scan.co.uk/Images/Products/862651-a.jpg < Hmm, built-in heatsink? 10:18:42 <Eddi|zuHause> it's set to: 10:18:44 <Eddi|zuHause> DEVICESCAN -d removable -m root@localhost -M exec /usr/lib/smartmontools/smart-notify 10:19:11 <peter1138> Then I started it with /etc/init.d/smartmontools start 10:19:28 <peter1138> smartd[17277]: Device: /dev/hda, SMART Usage Attribute: 199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count changed from 174 to 178 10:20:05 <peter1138> Maybe it is about to die after all :p 10:20:11 <fjb> peter1138: Yes, the drive is 2.5" but intended as a 3.5" device. So a heat sink is included as a kind of build in adapter. 10:20:24 <TrueBrain> peter1138: rate is going fast .. 10:20:29 <TrueBrain> (bad english :p) 10:20:55 <peter1138> TrueBrain, I'd say it only started when I started fiddling with smartmontools :p 10:20:59 <Eddi|zuHause> # /etc/init.d/smartd start 10:21:00 <Eddi|zuHause> Starting smartd done 10:21:07 <TrueBrain> peter1138: so shut it down :) 10:21:12 <Eddi|zuHause> how do i check if it really does something? 10:21:25 <peter1138> Check syslog 10:21:37 <peter1138> TrueBrain, then I won't know if it increases ;) 10:21:45 <Eddi|zuHause> dmesg | tail didn't change 10:21:50 <peter1138> dmesg is not syslog 10:22:05 <TrueBrain> peter1138: though luck ;) 10:22:29 <peter1138> fjb, I just hope it comes with the lid :) 10:22:48 <peter1138> Why do they feel the need to show the insides when selling drives? 10:23:18 <peter1138> I wonder if anyone's removed the cover because they thought it should be off, like in the pictures... 10:24:31 <fjb> Because martketing people are thinking that the managers of their customer companies are finding the interior of the drive cute. 10:24:38 <Eddi|zuHause> Sep 30 12:23:54 johannes-i smartd[20072]: Monitoring 0 ATA and 4 SCSI devices 10:24:58 <Eddi|zuHause> Sep 30 12:23:55 johannes-i smartd[20072]: Device: /dev/sdd, 37 Currently unreadable (pending) sectors 10:25:07 <peter1138> :o 10:25:21 <peter1138> DEVICESCAN -m root -M exec /usr/share/smartmontools/smartd-runner 10:25:38 <peter1138> I guess Debian packages it differently, heh... 10:26:08 <Eddi|zuHause> Sep 30 12:23:55 johannes-i smartd[20072]: Device: /dev/sdd, 37 Offline uncorrectable sectors 10:26:32 <Eddi|zuHause> Sep 30 12:23:56 johannes-i smartd[20082]: smartd has fork()ed into background mode. New PID=20082. 10:27:11 <peter1138> Is sdd a real drive? 10:27:26 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, it's the aforementioned problematic drive 10:27:48 <peter1138> Might be worth a warranty replacement... 10:30:13 *** Vikthor [~novotv6@pc304-65.feld.cvut.cz] has joined #openttd 10:30:43 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, but i have nowhere to put the data in the mean time... 10:32:34 *** Rexxie [~rexxars@62.113.133.253] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:32:47 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C836.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:34:06 *** Rexxie [~rexxars@62.113.133.253] has joined #openttd 10:39:32 <TrueBrain> pompiedom 10:45:51 *** sulai [~Miranda@p5B2B7701.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:47:15 <peter1138> I shall stop smartd, and start it later. See where there errors are up to... 10:51:39 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@147.251.215.232] has quit [Quit: Quit] 10:52:02 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B811EF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:52:05 <peter1138> Device: /dev/hda, SMART Usage Attribute: 199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count changed from 178 to 183 10:52:08 <peter1138> Pom :o 10:52:23 <peter1138> When I run smartctl manually... 10:52:25 <peter1138> 199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count 0x0008 184 109 000 Old_age Offline - 89 10:52:56 <peter1138> Oh, raw value and value :o 10:53:15 <peter1138> Silly magic values. 10:53:51 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80B11.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 10:53:53 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 11:03:36 <fjb> How can I get the seed of a running game? 11:03:41 *** Rexxie [~rexxars@62.113.133.253] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:03:44 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truebrain * r14418 /branches/noai/ (12 files in 3 dirs): [NoAI] -Add: added AIAirport::GetNoiseLeveLIncrease, AITown::GetAllowedNoise, and AITile::GetClosestTown (Yexo) 11:03:46 <TrueBrain> getseed 11:04:04 <fjb> Thank you 11:04:18 <fjb> That command was too abvious... 11:04:23 <fjb> obvious 11:04:31 <TrueBrain> yes 11:05:26 *** Rexxie [~rexxars@62.113.133.253] has joined #openttd 11:08:53 *** Noldo [vheino@jumi.lut.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:08:59 *** Noldo [vheino@jumi.lut.fi] has joined #openttd 11:11:34 *** sulai [~Miranda@p5B2B7701.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:12:52 <fjb> I hate sdl for always lying about GNU_SOURCE being available. 11:14:45 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... how do i view the packages sent through a tcp connection (on localhost)? 11:15:42 <fjb> tcpdump 11:15:51 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:16:30 <fjb> Or more comfotable with wireshark. 11:17:24 <FauxFaux> Wireshark. 11:17:50 *** sulai [~Miranda@p5B2B7701.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 11:19:50 <fjb> Interface is usually lo0 for localhost. 11:20:57 *** Vikthor [~novotv6@pc304-65.feld.cvut.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:21:54 <peter1138> Hmm, I now appear to have Turbo C++ installed :o 11:22:03 * keyweed takes 2 steps back 11:22:58 <peter1138> I wonder what it makes of OpenTTD :D 11:23:57 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5adb1d94.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:29:37 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 11:29:43 <peter1138> Not much, probably ;) 11:30:00 <peter1138> None of the text-GUI stuff I installed works :( 11:30:12 <TrueBrain> would be suprising, that is for sure 11:30:15 <peter1138> Function keys and alt-keypresses generally don't get passed properly. 11:32:51 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5adb1dad.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 11:33:03 <Sacro> frinky winky! 11:38:00 *** Tekky [~chatzilla@p5493C858.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:45:19 <peter1138> Bah, boa does not seem to support blah.cgi/foo type parameters... 11:46:22 *** Sacro_ [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 11:48:13 *** Pikita [~sam@89.243.248.88] has joined #openttd 11:48:48 <Pikita> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=39822 11:50:07 *** mortal [~mortal@217.61.144.15] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:51:33 <Eddi|zuHause> how is that idea "new"? 11:53:09 <ln> Pikita: please consider using apostrophes in your text. 11:53:23 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:53:53 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: anything that hasn't been suggested during the last minute will be considered "new" on the forum 11:54:28 <Eddi|zuHause> oh... by that definition... i guess it does pass as "new" ;) 11:55:06 <Eddi|zuHause> and additionally, it is definitely a "descriptive" topic title :p 11:56:36 <TrueBrain> I think it is a nice idea 11:56:54 <TrueBrain> I personally haven't read such idea 12:01:57 <Eddi|zuHause> afaik it has been done in the TTDP section already 12:01:57 <Eddi|zuHause> and i did not dismiss its nicedness ;) 12:01:57 <peter1138> I think it didn't work very well. 12:01:57 <peter1138> People overplayed their slot, argued when a decade was over, or didn't play for weeks. 12:01:57 * peter1138 ponders giving in and installing apache. 12:01:57 <Eddi|zuHause> what's there to argue about? new decade starts at 1st January on every year that ends with 0 12:01:57 <Pikita> Eddi is right 12:01:57 <Eddi|zuHause> you should include that in the game rules ;) 12:01:57 <Pikita> and sorry ln I was pretty wasted when I wrote it :P 12:01:57 <peter1138> I'm only reporting what happened. 12:01:57 <Eddi|zuHause> why does every second thread in the problems section start with "help"? 12:01:57 <Pikita> I will do Eddi, maybe some people should sign up ;) to play see if we can get it to work 12:02:22 <Eddi|zuHause> it does seem fairly redundant ;) 12:03:52 <Pikita> adding rules now :P 12:04:38 <Pikita> there :P 12:06:09 <Pikita> now back to playing my Cindini beta map :P 12:08:18 <TrueBrain> peter1138: don't do it, don't install apache 12:10:14 <peter1138> :/ 12:10:18 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 12:10:44 <peter1138> How can I make hgweb not rely on path parameters then? 12:10:54 <peter1138> (I don't know the official terminology, heh) 12:11:18 <Celestar> hm 12:11:25 <keyweed> mod_rewrite? 12:11:35 <TrueBrain> peter1138: we hacked hg .... 12:11:36 <keyweed> ow. you're not going for apache. 12:11:49 <TrueBrain> (hgweb is running as daemon) 12:12:46 <peter1138> Some kind of proxy involved? 12:13:11 <peter1138> Yar 12:13:53 <peter1138> Hmm, lighttpd 12:15:16 <Sacro_> Eddi|zuHause: new decade starts on 01/01/01 surely 12:15:54 <Eddi|zuHause> Sacro_: no, a decade starts x*10 years after game start. 12:16:50 <TrueBrain> peter1138: lighttpd does the proxying 12:16:55 <TrueBrain> lighttpd1.5 allows path-rewrite 12:17:04 <TrueBrain> which in fact might be able to get it to work without modifying hgweb :) 12:17:27 <TrueBrain> (for proxy you can tell it what is should give as script-name, and what as path-info, based on the url you are giving him) 12:18:00 <TrueBrain> (for example, www.openttd.org/en/news is given to the backend as: script 'website', pathinfo: '/en/news/', to give an example) 12:18:12 <Pikita> anyone else tried out the Cindini beta? 12:18:43 <fjb> What is Cindini? 12:18:55 <Pikita> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=39819 12:19:03 <Pikita> the map Whopper has spent like 3years making 12:20:25 <fjb> Exe? Doesn't sound to be useful. 12:20:50 <Pikita> its good 12:21:07 <Pikita> dont worry about that Im playing it now no viruses or anything 12:21:27 <TrueBrain> then why is it in an .exe? 12:21:38 <Sacro_> TrueBrain: noob 12:21:43 <Pikita> some licening bulls**t 12:21:43 <TrueBrain> if a person doesn't plan adding a virus, why making it a .exe .. 12:22:02 <Pikita> Truebrain if you scroll down theres just the SCN version too 12:22:06 <Ammler> looks like a map for wwottdgd/3 :-) 12:22:06 <TrueBrain> Pikita: then my interest in the map is down to 0.000000000000000000000 12:22:23 <Pikita> lol Ammler 12:22:27 <Pikita> its a sweet map 12:22:28 <TrueBrain> as someone things he can license his scenario ... I really don't care :) 12:22:35 <TrueBrain> as = when 12:22:39 <Pikita> lol 12:23:04 <Ammler> TrueBrain: i gave up to look on licenses around OpenTTD 12:23:37 <TrueBrain> Ammler: I gave up using anything related to OpenTTD which requires me to look into a license :p 12:24:05 * Ammler just ignores them... 12:24:12 <Ammler> (easier) 12:24:30 <peter1138> It is a pretty pointless map. 12:24:39 <TrueBrain> licenses is for people who think they are important when they add a license :p 12:24:40 <peter1138> The towns are all fully developed... 12:25:01 <Ammler> oh :-( 12:25:02 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@86.89.201.189] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 12:25:11 <Pikita> still fun though ;) 12:25:45 <Ammler> you need millions to build a simple station (bribing) 12:26:04 *** Yexo_ [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 12:26:06 <Pikita> lol 12:26:07 <Ammler> and a lot of nerves 12:26:17 *** Yexo is now known as Guest2432 12:26:17 *** Yexo_ is now known as Yexo 12:26:17 <TrueBrain> TREES! 12:26:25 <Pikita> its not a map for your style network ammler 12:26:27 <keyweed> and also 12:26:30 <TrueBrain> @kick Guest2432 we dislike guests 12:26:31 *** Guest2432 was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [we dislike guests] 12:26:31 <Ammler> TrueBrain: trees on a developed map? 12:26:55 <Ammler> there might be no free tile to plant a tree. 12:27:03 <TrueBrain> yesterday I Was playing a generated map 12:27:06 <Ammler> (which belongs to the authority) 12:27:08 <TrueBrain> and after a while I noticed something odd 12:27:12 <peter1138> It's also too big. My crappy old slow Core 2 Quad runs it slowly... 12:27:16 <TrueBrain> took me 5 gameyears to notice I siwtched off trees :p 12:30:14 <fjb> Big question remains: What do I do with that exe? 12:30:29 <Pikita> run it lol 12:30:52 <Ammler> doesn't wine handle it? 12:31:00 <Pikita> and Truebrain I did that but with buildings I started a game and was like my GRFs are screwed up 12:31:18 <peter1138> Delete. The .scn is provided further down. 12:31:20 <Pikita> tried 6 diff random games before I realised 12:31:39 <Ammler> maybe someone should tell him, that OTTD saves are already compressed. 12:31:44 <fjb> No wine here. Wine and me don't like each other. 12:33:02 * peter1138 rarely plays above 512x512, so :) 12:33:58 <Ammler> that game would need a ignore authority patch. 12:37:27 *** mortal [~mortal@217.61.144.15] has joined #openttd 12:37:46 <Ammler> why is the load scenario folder somewhere else then save (per default)? 12:38:25 <ln> Ammler: than 12:39:15 <TrueBrain> because ... savegames are not scenarios? 12:39:22 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 12:39:25 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:39:56 <Ammler> TrueBrain: I meant realtive, saves are at ~/openttd/ but scenarios are relative to the binary. 12:40:55 <Ammler> ~/.openttd/ 12:43:08 <Ammler> lumber mills in the desert? 12:43:20 <Pikita> lol 12:43:32 <Pikita> im goona start making money now :) 12:43:39 <Pikita> i finally started moving oil 12:43:54 * TrueBrain hits ALT+1 12:44:42 <TrueBrain> you did enable cargodest, I hope? 12:45:12 <peter1138> Buggy cargodest is buggy. 12:45:24 <Celestar> ? 12:45:33 <peter1138> :D 12:45:35 <TrueBrain> well, buggy .. 12:45:38 <TrueBrain> I did find a few bugs, yes 12:45:45 <Celestar> did you report them? :P 12:45:46 <TrueBrain> but you need to work hard for that :p 12:45:50 <peter1138> Nope. 12:45:54 <TrueBrain> I told peter1138 12:45:57 <peter1138> I didn't look for their cause either. 12:46:09 <peter1138> Busy doing... other stuff. 12:46:14 <TrueBrain> and peter1138 was not nice to me I telling him 12:46:23 <Celestar> I'll just wait until peter1138 has fixed them then (= 12:46:53 <TrueBrain> Celestar: main problem I found, was changing orders from 'Do not load' to normal .. then things go wrong :p 12:47:06 <TrueBrain> http://devs.openttd.org/~truebrain/cargodest_problem1.png 12:47:41 <Ammler> nice map, but not sure, if it is playable... 12:49:45 <peter1138> It's easy to play with RVs... 12:51:25 <Celestar> TrueBrain: you got a sample savegame or something? 12:51:57 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 12:52:03 <Celestar> cuz I cannot seem to reproduce it here 12:52:18 <TrueBrain> Celestar: not really, as reproducing was too easy 12:52:44 <TrueBrain> then gimme one sec 12:52:44 <Celestar> then tell me how :P 12:53:46 *** Ridayah [~ridayah@12-208-15-67.client.mchsi.com] has joined #openttd 12:54:49 <planetmaker> holy crap. 5MB for a save :) 12:54:53 <TrueBrain> haha: 164 pax going via unknown station 12:54:54 <TrueBrain> lovely :) 12:55:36 <TrueBrain> http://devs.openttd.org/~truebrain/cargodest_problem1.sav 12:55:58 <TrueBrain> Celestar: that savegame works fine .. now remove all 'additions' to the orders of the bus, as in: remove 'unloading' and remove 'loading' 12:56:06 <TrueBrain> it is not identical to the problem above, but it gives 'unknown stations' 12:56:11 <TrueBrain> which I guess is the same cause 12:56:17 <TrueBrain> removing the orders and readding them fixes the problem 12:56:43 <Eddi|zuHause> "rn rr" should generally fix all problems 12:57:28 <Celestar> TrueBrain: well check 12:57:40 <Celestar> well I'll check I mean 12:58:41 <Pikita> I want more road parts in OTTD :p 12:58:42 <TrueBrain> :) Let me know if you can reproduce 12:58:48 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: yeah, that sounds like a good solution .. lol :p 12:58:52 <Pikita> like diagnoal roads! 12:59:01 <TrueBrain> I want more money in real life 12:59:09 <Pikita> :P 12:59:24 <Pikita> so do i haha 12:59:25 <Celestar> :o 13:00:16 * Rubidium doesn't necessarily need more money; lower prices are also okay for me 13:00:26 <TrueBrain> lol @ Rubidium 13:02:45 <Eddi|zuHause> i need more pressure, else i won't get anything done... 13:03:35 <TrueBrain> maybe turn on the water, helps some people 13:05:59 *** Zealotus [~Ping@78-69-54-150-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 13:10:27 <Celestar> TrueBrain: nice corner-case you found there :P 13:11:22 <peter1138> Quite a large corner :p 13:11:25 <Celestar> peter1138: I recommend I'll remove ProcessOrderModification and just remove the entire order list and plug it in again when it is modified. 13:11:31 <TrueBrain> Celestar: tnx :) 13:11:54 <Celestar> peter1138: no, it only happens when a station could load shit, but there is no unloading order left in the list. 13:13:57 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@resnet567.bournemouth.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 13:14:23 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has quit [Quit: ecke] 13:16:14 *** boekabart [525c0bbb@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 13:16:33 *** boekabart [525c0bbb@webchat.mibbit.com] has left #openttd [] 13:21:42 <Celestar> TrueBrain: could you try a diff? 13:21:54 <fjb> Oh, that grashopper is a crappy engine... 13:22:09 <TrueBrain> sure, but you can try it yourself too :p 13:22:14 <TrueBrain> I can't do much more then what you do :) 13:22:57 <Celestar> http://www.fvfischer.de/modfix.diff 13:22:59 <Celestar> try that for a mo 13:23:03 <Celestar> please ;) 13:23:11 <peter1138> Bah, hgwebdir_mod is less featurefull than hgweb_mod :o 13:23:12 *** mortal [~mortal@217.61.144.15] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:23:37 <TrueBrain> peter1138: use them both 13:23:44 <peter1138> Hmm? 13:23:48 <TrueBrain> (one only lists the dirs of hg, the other shows the real data) 13:23:51 *** Yexo_ [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 13:23:59 *** Yexo is now known as Guest2438 13:24:00 *** Yexo_ is now known as Yexo 13:25:37 <TrueBrain> Celestar: now when I load the savegame I already have an 'unknown' in it, but that might been already there 13:25:50 <TrueBrain> the rest seems to be working 13:26:06 <peter1138> That may just be because you loaded it. You need to go through the steps again ;) 13:26:43 <TrueBrain> Celestar: when I add the unload and load stuff again, I get Unknown stations again :p 13:26:56 <TrueBrain> they are picked up nevertheless :) 13:27:13 <TrueBrain> oh, no, they just disapear :p 13:27:24 <TrueBrain> well, not in a station where there already is cargo 13:27:29 <TrueBrain> (and still is coming) 13:27:59 <TrueBrain> I FUCKING HATE NON-NON-STOP!!!! 13:28:05 <TrueBrain> the most annoying 'feature' of OpenTTD :( 13:28:09 <peter1138> ... 13:28:22 * TrueBrain hits on the patch setting again :p 13:28:58 <Eddi|zuHause> the only problem about non-non-stop is that cargodest does not support it 13:29:02 <TrueBrain> Celestar: besides the weird unknown station, the problem is fixed now :) 13:29:39 <TrueBrain> the only problem with it, is that vehicles stop at wrong stations and unload all cargo 13:29:57 *** Guest2438 [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:30:20 <TrueBrain> it seems that the algorithm that makes cargo disapear from stations when it is too long there, doesn't do 'old' cargo first ... 13:30:27 <TrueBrain> this 'unknown station' cargo sits here for ever now :) 13:31:44 <Celestar> it will sit there for some time 13:31:51 <Eddi|zuHause> stuff like that happened to me too... had a station that did not accept passengers anymore, but some were still enroute... and those didn't like cancelling the passenger trains to the station 13:32:02 <TrueBrain> 'some time' as in 50 years later it is still there? 13:32:08 <Celestar> yeah somehow 13:32:38 <Eddi|zuHause> *I* *must* *not* *play* *openttd* *now* 13:32:40 <TrueBrain> from a station where no longer pax are generated, they will go away 13:32:51 <TrueBrain> but all other stations, they will remain there for ever, and there is no way you can fix it .. 13:34:18 <Celestar> yes: you can move them away (= 13:35:04 <TrueBrain> how? :p 13:35:12 <TrueBrain> they are never picked up 13:35:21 <TrueBrain> else my stations tend to generate more pax then I can carry :) 13:35:26 <Eddi|zuHause> merging src/lang/traditional_chinese.txt failed! <- wtf? 13:36:09 <TrueBrain> Celestar: and I miss a setting to automaticly roll out all +s when you open up a station view .. now I need to press it every time :( 13:36:15 <TrueBrain> the rest CargoDest works very nice :) 13:36:22 <TrueBrain> yuo need to think .. much differently :p 13:36:34 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: were you translating chinese again? 13:36:35 *** Yexo_ [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 13:36:41 *** Yexo is now known as Guest2439 13:36:42 *** Yexo_ is now known as Yexo 13:36:49 <Eddi|zuHause> obviously :p 13:37:06 <Celestar> TrueBrain: very differently (= 13:37:27 <Celestar> peter1138: ok I'm removing ProcessOrderModification and revert to using a more crude method (= 13:38:12 <Celestar> " One train, departing 17:05 from Munich, does not call at Petershausen any more. Deutsche Bahn claimed too high a demand as the reason. " <= that's great. Instead of using more/bigger trains to cope with the demand, we just cancel the service :P 13:38:22 * Celestar shakes his head in utter disbelief 13:38:50 <TrueBrain> Celestar: well, cargodest kicks in, and no more people at Petershausen will want to travel :) 13:38:54 <TrueBrain> hehe :p 13:39:22 <Celestar> yeah 13:41:33 <Celestar> during work days, the rush our trains on that route often exceed 200% load factor :S 13:41:53 <Celestar> and the DB comes up with no better idea than to cancel services ... 13:42:19 * Celestar thinks someone needs to be put through a wall. 13:43:27 *** Guest2439 [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:43:54 *** Zahl [~Zahl@f051113232.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 13:45:04 <Eddi|zuHause> gah... i should prepare a script that makes a clean build and then reapplies any important patches 13:46:09 <TrueBrain> mercurial patch queue, anyone? 13:49:20 <Pikita> I forgot is there someone to make it so industrys never close? 13:49:59 <Pikita> someway* 13:50:09 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 13:50:13 <Eddi|zuHause> yes. 13:50:28 *** sulai [~Miranda@p5B2B7701.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:50:33 <Pikita> how :P 13:50:56 <glx> service them 13:51:00 <Eddi|zuHause> you can modify the industry lifetime via newgrf 13:51:14 <Pikita> link to the newgrf? 13:51:52 <Eddi|zuHause> no link... read the specs, create... 13:52:07 <Pikita> i cant create :( 13:52:20 <Eddi|zuHause> shouldn't be more than one line ;) 13:52:30 <Pikita> one line is still tooo much :P 13:52:34 <Ammler> code it like the PS: http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=IndustryDefaultProps 13:52:47 <Pikita> >_> 13:53:38 <Ammler> check the LumberMill on tt-forums, if you need a example. 13:53:47 <Pikita> well done Ammler :P you just confused me even more 13:54:17 <Pikita> damn 13:54:28 <Pikita> im getting too much oil :o for my boats to cope with 13:55:30 <Eddi|zuHause> there is a grf to multiply the sizes of boats 13:55:40 <Pikita> i just add more boats haha 13:56:36 <keyweed> eventually you can end up with a staggering amount of oil tankers. 13:56:58 <Pikita> hehe 13:57:26 <Pikita> it mainly cause all the oil is getting dumped at the docks quicker than the boats can pick it up and drop it off at the refinery 13:58:07 <Eddi|zuHause> i never had real use of boats 13:58:27 <Pikita> with the Cindini map you need to use em some time 13:58:31 <Eddi|zuHause> the transport income is just too dependent on speed 13:58:47 <keyweed> if you don't use boats, how do you get the oil from the oil rigs? 13:59:17 <Eddi|zuHause> a) don't service oil rigs b) build a station near them :p 13:59:24 <Pikita> just use the on land oil pumps? 13:59:34 <peter1138> Eddi|zuHause cheats! 13:59:44 <Pikita> Eddi income isnt everything ;) 14:01:48 <Eddi|zuHause> no, aesthetics is. and red numbers flowing are not asthetic 14:01:56 <Eddi|zuHause> +e 14:02:02 <Pikita> i never have red numbers :P 14:02:24 <Eddi|zuHause> you get those easily with transfers 14:02:32 <Pikita> nahh :p 14:02:39 <Pikita> set up an airline 14:02:52 <Pikita> thats where most my income is coming from on my current game :P 14:03:43 *** sulai [~Miranda@p5B2B7701.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 14:04:55 <Celestar> is it me or is wikipedia dead? 14:05:43 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has joined #openttd 14:05:45 <Rubidium> Celestar: looks like it 14:05:49 <Rubidium> DMCA takedown? 14:05:51 <ln> if you were dead, it would be highly unusual for you to be writing here. 14:06:14 <peter1138> heh 14:06:18 <Celestar> DMCA? 14:06:29 <Celestar> some terrorists? 14:06:37 <Rubidium> na, that MPAA/RIAA act 14:06:55 <Celestar> yes, that's what I'm saying .. terrorists. 14:07:31 <Rubidium> hmm, ofcourse... they should be classified as terrorists 14:07:51 <TrueBrain> please do 14:07:54 <Celestar> little ones :P 14:08:14 <Celestar> MPAA/RIAA are nothing but petty thugs 14:08:27 <Gekz> lol 14:08:27 <keyweed> hmz. yes. i guess you can build a Dutch style polder towards the oil rig... 14:08:29 <Gekz> we all know this 14:08:35 <keyweed> glad they don't do that irl though 14:12:44 <fjb> I love those horses: http://www.imgwelt.de/uploads/3331VM2T74M.png :-) 14:14:54 <fjb> Articulated road vehicles are not able to overtake? 14:16:20 <orudge> fjb loves horses? 14:16:36 <fjb> Yeah, hose power. :-P 14:16:38 <orudge> http://tinyurl.com/6cj3f 14:16:58 <fjb> :-P 14:17:12 <Pikita> hey owen :) 14:17:16 <orudge> Hello there 14:17:34 <Pikita> how are you :P 14:17:52 <orudge> I'm well enough, got a list of things to do that I need to actually start doing 14:18:11 <Pikita> same here lol, but its much more fun to play OTTD :p 14:20:40 <Belugas> **sight** 14:20:43 <Belugas> playing... 14:21:45 <Gekz> fjb: what roadset is that? 14:22:00 <Gekz> horses kick ass btw 14:22:11 <Gekz> 1837? you are way too leet. 14:22:11 <fjb> North american road set. 14:22:39 <Gekz> aha 14:22:55 <fjb> Hi Belugas 14:23:17 <fjb> Belugas: Be glad that people re nicely playing and not demanding. 14:23:32 <Gekz> hows paxdest? 14:23:33 *** sulai [~Miranda@p5B2B7701.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:25:43 <fjb> Cargodest? Nice. 14:27:26 <peter1138> ah, wikipedia now gives an error page. 14:29:02 <Belugas> fjb, i'd like to be able to just lay down, take the time to actually play it and do nothing else than taht 14:29:43 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.203] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:34:33 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@f051113232.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 14:34:33 *** Zahl [~Zahl@f051113232.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:34:33 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 14:36:17 *** Fuco [dota.keys@wireless-195.fi.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 14:48:50 <peter1138> Ammler, why are you AmmIer in openttd? :P 14:56:18 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.203] has joined #openttd 14:59:57 <Gekz> cargodest? 15:00:05 <Gekz> I dont think cargodest would be as good as paxdest 15:02:13 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 15:04:17 <TrueBrain> I think Gekz has no idea where he is talking about 15:04:35 <TrueBrain> what .. 15:04:35 <TrueBrain> lol 15:04:39 <Eddi|zuHause> i concur 15:04:50 <peter1138> I'm hungry 15:05:20 <Eddi|zuHause> i concur 15:05:53 <Gekz> TrueBrain: you killed your own argument :P 15:06:37 <peter1138> tip: passengers are cargo 15:07:03 <Gekz> hmm, i can see how I have been misinterpreted 15:07:11 <TrueBrain> I wonder where I ever gave an argument .. 15:07:15 <Gekz> what I mean is, having a destination for oil isnt as fun as having a destination for passengers 15:07:15 <Belugas> well... be precise then :) 15:07:30 <TrueBrain> so I repeat: 15:07:37 <Gekz> no TrueBrain 15:07:37 <TrueBrain> I Think Gekz has no idea what he is talking about 15:07:47 <Gekz> I know what my opinion is. 15:07:54 <TrueBrain> judging stuff by the name is most of the time a very bad idea 15:08:07 <TrueBrain> so either get a binary and try it, or stop talking in general :) 15:08:12 <Gekz> Never! 15:08:23 <TrueBrain> wow! Amazing .. a person who knows what his opinion is .. 15:08:27 <TrueBrain> you don't see that every day 15:08:27 <Gekz> I even used the wrong tense in my point 15:08:28 <Gekz> fuck 15:08:36 <Gekz> it is too early in the morning to try and make a point 15:08:46 <Gekz> TrueBrain: STOP MAKING ME CRY 15:08:46 <Gekz> :< 15:08:55 <TrueBrain> stop talking gibberish 15:08:59 <Belugas> "I have an opinion and I Respect IT" 15:09:16 * Gekz cries 15:09:19 * TrueBrain gives Gekz a lolly and points him to the corner of the room 15:10:18 <Belugas> Gekz, in order to give an opinion, one should give reasons in order for all to understand it 15:10:20 <Belugas> like... 15:10:24 <Belugas> "it's CRAP" 15:10:27 <Belugas> hu?? 15:10:35 <Gekz> LoL 15:10:39 <Belugas> "well... there is purple on the newgrf" 15:10:43 <Belugas> duh... 15:11:33 <TrueBrain> purple, ieuw 15:11:49 * Belugas purples TrueBrain 15:12:12 * Belugas mauves TrueBrain 15:12:23 * Belugas lilas TrueBrain 15:12:29 * TrueBrain moones Belugas 15:12:34 <TrueBrain> that will teach you 15:12:36 * Gekz stabs you all 15:12:40 <Belugas> youheeee! 15:12:45 *** helb_ [~helb@84.244.90.203] has joined #openttd 15:12:55 *** Gekz was kicked from #openttd by Belugas [no violence in here!] 15:12:58 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 15:13:06 <TrueBrain> Belugas: I was about to do the same 15:13:09 <TrueBrain> really, wtf? 15:13:09 * Gekz bombs your embassy 15:13:12 <Gekz> lol. 15:13:22 <TrueBrain> @kban Gekz never EVER again say such things in this channel 15:13:23 *** mode/#openttd [+b *!~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] by DorpsGek 15:13:23 *** Gekz was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [never EVER again say such things in this channel] 15:13:27 <Belugas> lol 15:13:40 <TrueBrain> sick fuck 15:13:42 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.203] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:13:42 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 15:14:11 *** Celestar [~Jadzia_Da@129.187.69.65] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:15:34 <TrueBrain> Ammler: I should have given a time after that kban, not? :) I forgot how to do that ... oh well :p 15:21:36 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm252.epsilon121.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 15:22:03 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@resnet567.bournemouth.ac.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:22:25 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@resnet567.bournemouth.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 15:23:41 <Ammler> well, it might be, you like to unban him again... :-) 15:24:09 <Ammler> then you don't need to keep it in mind. 15:24:37 <TrueBrain> I know .. now I forget it .. 15:24:40 <TrueBrain> like a +q for yorick :p 15:24:41 <TrueBrain> hehehe 15:25:26 <Ammler> peter1138: that was a randomly trunkbuild :-) 15:28:14 <TrueBrain> @op 15:28:17 *** mode/#openttd [+o TrueBrain] by DorpsGek 15:28:33 <TrueBrain> darn, SSL IRC connections are slow 15:28:39 *** mode/#openttd [-b *!~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] by TrueBrain 15:28:42 *** mode/#openttd [-b *!*@82-171-*-*.ip.telfort.nl] by TrueBrain 15:28:45 *** mode/#openttd [-b *!~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] by Belugas 15:28:47 <TrueBrain> @deop 15:28:48 *** mode/#openttd [-o TrueBrain] by DorpsGek 15:28:52 <TrueBrain> hehe, sorry Belugas :) 15:28:57 <Belugas> no prob :) 15:29:07 <Belugas> for sure, he is not banned ;) 15:29:10 <Pikita> TrueBrain why dont you stay opped? 15:29:29 <TrueBrain> Pikita: why would I? 15:29:33 <glx> because it's dangerous for others ;) 15:29:35 <Pikita> dunno lol 15:29:44 <TrueBrain> now I can trap people :p 15:29:51 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 15:29:53 <Belugas> THAT's the reason ^_^ 15:30:22 <TrueBrain> Pikita: people tend to talk to you differently when you have a @ in front of your name .. so in big channels I mostly deop myself :p 15:30:23 <glx> TrueBrain: I do worse as I command the bot silently ;) 15:30:42 <TrueBrain> glx: yeah, and then they blame me :p 15:30:50 <Pikita> i see 15:30:52 <yorick> *hehe* 15:30:57 <TrueBrain> FOOD!!! 15:30:57 <TrueBrain> bbl 15:31:00 *** mode/#openttd [+o glx] by DorpsGek 15:31:06 *** mode/#openttd [-o glx] by DorpsGek 15:36:02 *** Fuco [dota.keys@wireless-195.fi.muni.cz] has quit [Quit: Quit] 15:37:59 *** Bergee [~bergee@c-68-42-180-23.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 15:41:39 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@86.89.201.189] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 15:43:53 *** grumbel [~grumbel@i577AD38E.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 15:50:18 <Belugas> hungry 15:51:04 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 15:51:47 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fe611.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 15:53:27 <fjb> Quak frosch123 15:53:57 <frosch123> moin fjb :p 15:54:28 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: Trying to deinstall norton. Poef!] 16:03:35 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 16:04:09 <mortal`> here we come 16:04:11 *** Mortal is now known as Guest2456 16:04:11 *** mortal` is now known as mortal 16:04:14 <mortal> huzzah 16:04:17 *** Purno [~Purno@5350931D.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 16:09:43 *** Guest2456 was kicked from #openttd by Belugas [someone said no guests earlier] 16:12:05 * Belugas goes to lunch 16:12:12 <TrueBrain> lol @ Belugas :) 16:15:35 <Belugas> hehe 16:16:43 <fjb> Shit, a well serviced coal mine closes down. :-( 16:17:11 <peter1138> Belugas! :) 16:17:26 <peter1138> Unless it was past its best :p 16:18:46 <Belugas> past? best? me! 16:20:28 * Belugas had an idea recently about the closing : invest a huge pile of money on an industry, for research reason or else, and that investment will raise production level to decent ones. 16:20:49 <Belugas> so, at the same time you get rid of your insane pile of profits 16:21:17 <Belugas> a bit like fund town's road construction and all others alike 16:23:08 <fjb> Sounds interesting. 16:23:49 <fjb> But I'm nor earning that much money in 1844. 16:24:04 <fjb> So that closing down gives me real trouble. 16:24:10 <Belugas> that is your problem ^_^ 16:24:24 <TrueBrain> 1844 ... lol 16:24:51 <Belugas> i have to say, it's peasant to see games happening before 1920 for a change 16:24:55 <Belugas> pleasant 16:24:56 <Belugas> :S 16:24:57 <fjb> And only 5% of the coal were transported yet. So I don't see why it closes down. 16:25:40 <fjb> Station rating was also abouve 75% 16:25:56 <peter1138> hmm, who sells low power servers? 16:27:58 <Belugas> Dell? 16:30:11 <peter1138> hmm, i can't see any power consumption figures :o 16:35:46 *** peter1138 [~petern@84.246.155.74] has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:40:36 <fjb> Power loss on Peter? 16:46:03 *** Dr_Jekyll [Dr_Jekyll@p57B0E0AE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:46:15 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A43482.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:50:39 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: belugas * r14419 /trunk/src/transparency_gui.cpp: -Codechange: adding two digits for no obvious reason (nor comment), plus code style Infringement. 16:51:59 *** fjb [~frank@p5485C008.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 16:53:10 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:53:33 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 16:54:19 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm252.epsilon121.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:00:28 *** peter1138 [~petern@84.246.155.74] has joined #openttd 17:00:31 *** mode/#openttd [+o peter1138] by ChanServ 17:13:45 *** welshdragon [~vista@adsl-83-100-138-245.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 17:13:54 <Belugas> correction : it's not ALWAYS fun do deal with GUI and widgets 17:15:28 <glx> it's never fun indeed ;) 17:15:39 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@144.138.223.18] has quit [] 17:17:03 <frosch123> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=732965#p732965 <- I cannot imagine a more realistic screenshot than the second in this post 17:17:04 <Lakie> Well, most of the time its ok, Belugas. 17:18:00 <Lakie> Heh, do canals have graphics for the other climates/ 17:18:44 <frosch123> actually the screenshot contains a nice metaphor :) 17:19:14 <frosch123> but maybe it only works in german 17:19:48 <peter1138> Hmm? 17:20:10 <frosch123> camels are also called desert-ships 17:20:21 <peter1138> Lakie, ours don't. The Action 3/2/1 version does, I believe. 17:20:59 <Lakie> I ee 17:21:01 <Lakie> see*, ok 17:27:32 <Belugas> Lakie, glx : it's ok as long as you kow your widgets, but as soon as one is using new stuff (or stuff he does not know), it's a different story :) 17:27:36 <Belugas> so i'm learning 17:28:12 <Lakie> Hehe 17:28:25 <glx> Belugas: you are not talking about OTTD GUI I guess ;) 17:28:26 <Lakie> Try that whilst fixing the sidget's fundimental workings 17:28:27 <Lakie> ;) 17:28:49 <Belugas> yes, glx, do, for a certain object project ;) 17:29:46 <Belugas> but that was during my lunch break, which is over now :( 17:31:29 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host213-160-dynamic.56-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 17:32:02 <Wolf01> hello 17:37:05 <TrueBrain> hi Wolf01 :) 17:40:00 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@147.251.215.232] has joined #openttd 17:40:08 <Eddi|zuHause> <frosch123> camels are also called desert-ships <- it actually goes even further than that... "sahel" means "coast line" (the sahel zone is the border of the sahara desert) 17:40:32 <Eddi|zuHause> and the sahara is ocasionally called "sea without water" 17:40:44 <Belugas> i'm impressed 17:40:46 <Belugas> truely 17:40:56 <Belugas> hello Wolf01 17:41:39 *** MOG [~MapperOG@p57B2D8A1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:42:45 *** helb_ is now known as helb 17:44:34 <frosch123> "sahel zone" reminds me of very boring lessons at school 17:45:36 <Belugas> yeah... i guess that was a very "Dry" subject ^_^ 17:45:47 <frosch123> :) 17:46:14 <frosch123> it was that "5% means every fifth"-teacher 17:47:21 <Prof_Frink> frosch123: Well, 10% means every tenth, so that's fair enough ;) 17:48:21 <Belugas> at least, it was not teeth 17:50:33 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r14420 /trunk/src/lang/ (hungarian.txt simplified_chinese.txt swedish.txt): 17:50:33 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2008-09-30 17:50:15 17:50:33 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: hungarian - 3 fixed, 1 changed by alyr (4) 17:50:33 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: simplified_chinese - 122 fixed, 2 changed by ww9980 (124) 17:50:33 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: swedish - 1 fixed by ChrillDeVille (1) 17:50:47 *** welshdragon [~vista@adsl-83-100-138-245.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:50:52 <Eddi|zuHause> "when are you people getting this! two halves are always exactly the same size! the bigger half of you got that wrong again!" 17:51:42 <SmatZ> Eddi|zuHause: the bigger half of people doesn't agree with you 17:51:47 <frosch123> usually it is more like "both legs are of equal length, especially the left" 17:51:53 <SmatZ> :) 17:52:25 <Prof_Frink> Some are more equal than others, eh? 17:52:47 *** MOG [~MapperOG@p57B2D8A1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:53:58 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a46ad5.virnxx14.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 17:54:01 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 17:56:53 <TrueBrain> frosch123: we have a joke about that here in the Netherlands: "Why is a bird?" "Because his left leg is of equal length" (bad translated :p) 17:57:19 <Prof_Frink> orudge: What are birds? 17:57:38 <orudge> We just don't know. 17:58:29 <Bjarni> "lost in translation" 17:59:02 <Eddi|zuHause> at night it's colder than outside. 18:00:28 <Belugas> "what are there migratory birds? Birds that scratch half their body" french joke VERY badly translated 18:00:45 <glx> untranslatable ;) 18:00:45 *** Tim [~Tim@p5B37D1A2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:00:48 *** grumbel [~grumbel@i577AD38E.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Client exiting] 18:01:49 <Belugas> hehe 18:01:56 <Bjarni> if you like, then I can start telling untranslateable jokes too 18:02:28 <Eddi|zuHause> "Ich war einmal bei den Singvögeln. Aber dann haben sie sich zerstritten, die einen wollten nur noch singen, und die anderen ..." [I won't even attempt to translate that...] 18:04:22 <Belugas> party breaker :S 18:05:34 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: you might try to construct a similiar joke with "bugreport" 18:05:34 <mortal> belugas, source on that french joke? 18:06:29 <TrueBrain> if you like, I can ban your ass out of here? :) :) 18:06:34 <Belugas> source? 18:06:50 <Belugas> that joke is ld as the world :S 18:06:55 <Belugas> old 18:06:56 <Wolf01> "You are not authorised to read this forum." you are not WHAT? 18:06:59 <Eddi|zuHause> Belugas: as in "untranslated version" 18:07:01 <mortal> yeah, in its original lanugage 18:07:03 <mortal> language* 18:07:10 <mortal> yes, what eddi said :) 18:07:13 <Wolf01> I'm authoriset to do everything 18:07:21 <Wolf01> *authorised 18:07:28 <mortal> respect Wolf01's authoritah 18:07:35 <TrueBrain> Wolf01: it seems the forum doesn't agree with you there 18:07:52 <mortal> forum as in every other member in it 18:07:54 <Belugas> ho... mortal: "Qu'est-ce qu'un oiseau migrateur? UN oiseau qui se gratte sur la moitie du corp" 18:08:00 <mortal> doesn't agree as in would rather start a flamewar 18:08:32 <mortal> ba-dum *tch*, belugas 18:08:45 <Wolf01> TrueBrain, then why the forum wanted to show me a reply and I can't see it? 18:09:04 <Belugas> strat spourt to you to, mortal 18:09:16 <mortal> wolf01, the forum software thought it wanted to show you the reply, but changed its mind. 18:09:18 <TrueBrain> Wolf01: don't ask me, I am not the forum replying you :) 18:10:08 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... my french would definitely not be good enough to get that kind of joke (if you hadn't told us) :p 18:10:48 <Belugas> migrateur -> mi - gratteur -> demi - gratteur 18:10:57 <Belugas> half - scratching 18:11:01 <mortal> eddi, me too 18:11:04 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, now i know ;) 18:11:28 <mortal> yum, tomatoes, carrots and some chicken, awesome dinner 18:14:07 <Wolf01> Oh now I understood it :D 18:14:25 <peter1138> rtc: lost 1 interrupts 18:14:29 <peter1138> :o 18:14:33 <peter1138> I wonder what that actually means :p 18:15:30 <TrueBrain> it went out to play :) 18:16:21 <peter1138> I see... 18:16:33 <peter1138> Hmm, second drive is hdb... that's not so good. 18:16:56 <peter1138> I guess i'll have to shuffle the cables around some how... or live with a mirror on one channel. 18:17:04 *** Chrill [~chrischri@c80-216-96-107.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 18:19:40 <SmatZ> @seen Celestar 18:19:40 <DorpsGek> SmatZ: Celestar was last seen in #openttd 4 hours, 11 minutes, and 26 seconds ago: <Celestar> MPAA/RIAA are nothing but petty thugs 18:19:50 <SmatZ> mmm missed him :-( 18:22:01 <peter1138> smartd[2280]: Device: /dev/hda, SMART Usage Attribute: 199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count c 18:22:04 <peter1138> hanged from 199 to 163 18:22:05 <peter1138> It goes down too! 18:23:04 <SmatZ> or it overflowed :) 18:23:16 <peter1138> Possible. 18:29:39 *** dvo [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:33:11 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@f051102034.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 18:39:44 <Wolf01> damn.. making the graphic board working on ubuntu is hard... 18:39:53 *** Volley [~worf@84-119-74-178.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:40:27 *** Zahl [~Zahl@f051113232.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:40:27 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 18:52:43 <Belugas> hehe now, try to make ubunto board the graphic would be even harder! 18:54:42 <Wolf01> shhh.. those stupid graphics drivers wont let me to play games which aren't the ones which come by default 18:55:54 <peter1138> Hmm, with hg, how can I add a directory, but not the contents of it? 18:56:59 <TrueBrain> move content 18:57:01 <TrueBrain> add 18:57:03 <TrueBrain> move content back 18:57:03 <TrueBrain> :p 18:57:10 <TrueBrain> (I am very lazy when it comes to those things :)) 18:57:50 *** Baem [~mm@p578b6f24.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 18:57:54 <Baem> hi all 18:58:13 <Baem> i want to set up some servers, where is much demand for? 18:59:14 <jpm> I would like to have couple of servers here... 18:59:25 <Belugas> you might want to rephrase that, Baem 18:59:31 <Belugas> makes very little sens 18:59:36 <Baem> heehe 18:59:46 <Belugas> "where is much demand for?" <----- huu???? 18:59:57 <Baem> which server do the users demand? 19:00:15 <Belugas> well... the attractive ones 19:00:16 <Baem> like big maps etc 19:00:30 <Belugas> the good combination of grfs 19:00:33 <Baem> i mean the settings etc 19:00:33 <Eddi|zuHause> the maps shouldn't be too big 19:00:44 <Belugas> the cliamte they like the most 19:00:55 <Baem> i did saw a grf theme pack is that okay? 19:01:15 <Baem> or just these generic things 19:01:40 <Eddi|zuHause> well, yes, you should take grfs from the pack, because those are the easiest to get. but you should make a good selection from those, you can't just throw them all in 19:01:55 <Baem> okay 19:02:17 <Baem> hmm i think i start with the normal thing 19:02:41 <Belugas> the idea, though, is to have one set of settings that will be reflecting smething, like a theme 19:02:41 <Baem> other tipps ? i have very much ram and cpu power left on my server :D 19:02:55 <Belugas> like... UKRS stuff... 19:03:07 <Baem> i never saw a such server 19:03:14 <Belugas> or canadian set .... 19:03:24 <Belugas> peter1138 had such a server a while ago 19:03:34 <Belugas> OK, not can 19:03:35 <Belugas> UK 19:03:37 <Belugas> ggaaaa 19:04:06 <Baem> hehe 19:06:02 <Baem> i get back later . need to install first 19:13:26 *** Purno [~Purno@5350931D.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:17:23 * Belugas is pulsating on "Corona Radiata" from NIN 19:17:56 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5CA12.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 19:19:06 *** Tim [~Tim@p5B37D1A2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:20:04 *** Tim [~Tim@p5B37D1A2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:20:10 *** Tim [~Tim@p5B37D1A2.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 19:23:51 *** Tim [~Tim@p5B37D1A2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:24:07 *** welshdragon [~vista@adsl-83-100-138-245.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 19:26:30 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A43482.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 19:27:15 <glx> Belugas: take another cofee ;) 19:28:03 <Belugas> At this time of day? doubtfull... but thanks for the idea :D 19:34:08 <peter1138> I had a NARS2 server.. 19:34:47 <peter1138> Only Pikka and I played on that one. 19:34:50 *** Zuu [Zuu@c-113c71d5.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 19:38:57 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-180-35.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 19:41:58 <Eddi|zuHause> that's one of the main problems currently... on average, there are more servers than players 19:42:09 <Baem> -.- 19:42:36 <Yexo> Baem: so there you have what is most wanted: more users 19:42:53 <Baem> heeh 19:42:55 <Zuu> Do you think it is a big limitation to have widget focus? The main change would be that you can deselect text-inpbut boxes, and therefore need to select them again. For example new landscape/game window, if you click on a button the text-input will get unselected and you then need to click on the text-input widget before you can type. 19:42:57 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5CA12.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 19:43:34 <Zuu> The main gain with widget focus is that many windows that have text inputs can be open at the same time and you can select which text-input to type into. 19:44:35 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 19:44:48 <Zuu> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/2297 if you want to try it live. 19:47:36 <Eddi|zuHause> the main problem that i can see are hotkeys... not all windows catch all hotkeys, so you'd have to propagate the hotkeys down a "focus priority" list 19:48:59 <Zuu> The hotkeys are propagated as usual. Only when a text-input has focus it will steal the key-input. 19:50:11 *** mortal`` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 19:51:11 *** mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:53:27 <Zuu> In the patch above I've focused the text-inputs of existing windows that have text-input widgets for easy of use. But still it is a significant change of GUI behaviour. 19:53:47 <mortal``> ...the mortals will rise? 19:53:54 *** mortal`` is now known as mortal 19:55:57 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5CA12.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:56:44 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:03:57 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fe611.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:07:02 * Belugas refuses to read Zuu's patch right now. Might give it a good read tonigh though 20:09:34 <Zuu> Belugas: Ok, it is not 100% ready as I've only worked on it for one session. I found out that the network-message-window for example raises an assertion when you press the 't' key when the TextEdit widget does not have focus. 20:10:46 *** Yeggs-work is now known as Yeggstry 20:11:56 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-117-167.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 20:13:21 <Belugas> ho... ok 20:16:53 <Zuu> Main question is if to use a pointer to the focused widget or use widget id I think. I currently use a pointer, which has the draw back of that when you need the ID you have too loop through all widget of the window to get the ID. On the other hand it is common to want to access the widget class, and having to use the ID in the widget-arary gives quite much more code. And also the pointer at some situations is equal to zero. B 20:16:54 <Zuu> ut widget id = 0 is the first widget. It is long time since I looked on the code honestly, so I don't remmeber if the ID is unsigned or not. 20:19:32 <Zuu> Belugas: I mean it is kind of you if you want to read through it but considering that code need to be looked at many times before it is ready I just wanted to inform you what to expect. 20:21:51 <Belugas> mmh? 20:22:14 <Zuu> ? 20:22:19 * Belugas grabs above mentionned text, prints out and will read it later 20:22:27 <Belugas> i'm still buzy at work 20:22:28 <Belugas> sorry 20:22:39 <Zuu> Ah ok, that is perfectly fine. 20:23:06 <peter1138> Loop? Only if you've not heard of pointer arithmetic ;) 20:23:13 <peter1138> (It is an array, isn't it?) 20:23:32 <Zuu> Yes, oh yea you are right. :) 20:23:32 *** Tim [~Tim@p5B37D1A2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:24:00 <Zuu> It is an array. 20:35:44 *** Yexo_ [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 20:35:52 *** Yexo is now known as Guest2495 20:35:52 *** Yexo_ is now known as Yexo 20:37:57 *** Guest2495 [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:39:32 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-75-74-51-51.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 20:40:08 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r14421 /trunk/src/ (158 files in 10 dirs): -Codechange: rename all player variables/types to company *or* client so it is immediatelly clear which one you are working with. 20:40:43 <peter1138> Woohoo! 20:41:10 <Zuu> Cool 20:42:22 <peter1138> Mmm, all though conflicting patches :D 20:43:23 <TrueBrain> a very big patch killer :p 20:43:29 <TrueBrain> but .. about time it was done :) 20:44:52 <peter1138> Bah, eyes giving in 20:48:01 <Eddi|zuHause> that was discussed many times, but i didn't expect it to actually be done ;) great job ;) 20:49:13 *** Ammler [~Ammler@members.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Excess Flood] 20:49:40 *** Ammler [~Ammler@members.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 20:49:40 *** mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: [FATAL] Client error: Memory leak - More RAM needed. More! More! More!] 20:51:16 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r14422 /trunk/ (118 files in 9 dirs): -Codechange: also reflect the changes of r14421 in the filenames. 20:56:33 *** fonso [~fonso@brln-d9bac83e.pool.mediaWays.net] has left #openttd [Kopete 0.12.7 : http://kopete.kde.org] 20:58:40 *** Wezz6400_ [~Wezz6400@145-118-111-36.fttx.bbned.nl] has joined #openttd 21:01:48 *** Wezz6400_ [~Wezz6400@145-118-111-36.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [] 21:03:03 <planetmaker> Thanks Rubidium, that's a nice commit (r14421+2) :) 21:07:32 <Eddi|zuHause> you are thanking for a commit that has not been made yet? 21:08:57 <mcbane> the + is maybe a / 21:09:03 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0.3/2008092417]] 21:10:07 <SmatZ> r7210 ? 21:10:15 <SmatZ> @openttd commit 7210 21:10:16 <DorpsGek> SmatZ: Commit by KUDr :: r7210 /trunk/yapf (4 files) (2006-11-18 19:20:47 UTC) 21:10:17 <DorpsGek> SmatZ: -CodeChange: [YAPF] the global cache object is now not destroyed/recreated whenever the cache is invalidated. It now supports Flush() method that is used instead. It should also fix mem-leak warning produced by valgrind (Tron) 21:12:28 <peter1138> Uh oh... 21:13:50 <SmatZ> ok bad joke 21:14:02 <SmatZ> I often do bad jokes... 21:14:06 <peter1138> Hmm? 21:14:19 <peter1138> Oh :p 21:14:22 * peter1138 sighs 21:14:23 <SmatZ> :) 21:14:30 <peter1138> Good night. 21:14:34 <Baem> server runs now ... tuning tomorrow .. 21:14:36 <Baem> gn8 21:14:41 *** Baem [~mm@p578b6f24.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:14:56 <SmatZ> nn peter1138 21:18:43 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r14423 /trunk/src/ (49 files in 6 dirs): -Codechange: also do r14221 for the strings. 21:23:54 *** Yeggstry is now known as Yeggzzz 21:24:26 *** Yeggzzz [~mind@cpc1-rdng14-0-0-cust946.winn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [] 21:41:51 *** Xerres [~Mewes@d-206-53-71-234.cpe.metrocast.net] has quit [] 21:52:16 *** letto [~letto@86.120.69.153] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:56:44 *** Sacro_ [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:58:06 <Wolf01> 'night 21:58:11 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host213-160-dynamic.56-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 21:58:23 <TrueBrain> ngiht Wolf01 21:59:26 *** Zuu [Zuu@c-113c71d5.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:01:32 *** mikl [~mikl@cpe.ge-0-2-0-812.0x50c774be.boanqu1.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: mikl] 22:08:27 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:09:58 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 22:13:25 <planetmaker> what am I doing wrong?: hg clone http://hg.openttd.org 22:13:26 <planetmaker> destination directory: hg.openttd.org 22:13:26 <planetmaker> abort: 'http://hg.openttd.org/' does not appear to be an hg repository! 22:13:48 <TrueBrain> you can't clone everything 22:13:52 <TrueBrain> you need to be a tiny bit more specific 22:14:14 <planetmaker> ./trunk or so? 22:14:37 <planetmaker> because adding trunk to the URL gives me 404 22:14:50 <TrueBrain> trunk.hg 22:14:53 <TrueBrain> sounds like a plan 22:14:57 <planetmaker> ah :) 22:15:00 <Yexo> openttd/trunk.hg 22:15:04 <Yexo> see also: http://hg.openttd.org/openttd/ 22:15:04 <TrueBrain> you might just want to visit the url 22:15:05 <Rubidium> planetmaker: open http://hg.openttd.org/ in your browser and make an educated guess 22:15:08 <TrueBrain> and see what it does in your browser 22:15:17 <TrueBrain> (the http part should have given that way :p) 22:15:21 <TrueBrain> Yexo: yeah, openttd/ ;)) 22:16:02 <planetmaker> he, yeah, got it Rubidium :) Thx 22:16:45 <planetmaker> May I propose to add this hint to the development page of openttd where the hg repo is announced? 22:17:12 <TrueBrain> most people are 'clever' enough to press the link :) 22:17:16 <planetmaker> :P 22:17:38 * planetmaker should probably get some sleep then :) 22:17:57 *** Chrill [~chrischri@c80-216-96-107.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [] 22:18:06 <TrueBrain> sleep well :) 22:18:54 <planetmaker> yeah, good night and thanks for putting my nose on the obvious :) 22:19:05 <TrueBrain> any time my friend, any time :) 22:20:09 <planetmaker> testing how to work with hg will then commence tomorrow :) 22:29:21 *** fjb [~frank@p5485C008.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:29:31 <fjb> Good morning. 22:29:40 <TrueBrain> morning? 22:29:42 <TrueBrain> in what world? 22:29:59 <fjb> 0:29 22:30:05 <fjb> In Germany. 22:30:10 <Prof_Frink> [23:29:59] < fjb> 0:29 22:30:15 <Prof_Frink> fjb: We won. 22:30:36 <fjb> :-P 22:31:05 <fjb> What news happened yesterday evening? 22:41:17 *** sulai [~Miranda@p5B2B7701.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 22:41:43 <Eddi|zuHause> "player" got renamed to "company"/"client" where appropriate, if that is what you mean ;) 22:46:19 <fjb> So I'm not a player anymore, I'm a company now? 22:48:25 <Eddi|zuHause> no, you're a client 22:49:06 <Eddi|zuHause> company:client is one-to-many 22:49:31 <fjb> So I'm a client, but I have no lawyer. 22:49:43 <Eddi|zuHause> that is entirely your problem :p 22:50:00 <Pikita> TrueBrain 22:50:25 <fjb> So I'm having a problem now. 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