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00:01:09 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-111-36.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [Quit: Caught sigterm, terminating...] 00:12:51 <Ammler> nightnight 00:13:13 *** elmex [~elmex@e180066179.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:14:17 *** mikl [~mikl@cpe.ge-0-2-0-812.0x50c774be.boanqu1.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:17:36 *** welshdra-gone [~vista@adsl-83-100-138-245.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:18:22 *** mikl [~mikl@cpe.ge-0-2-0-812.0x50c774be.boanqu1.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 00:23:43 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-211-65.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:32:49 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B76618.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 00:32:53 *** FR^2 [fr@oscar.frquadrat.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:33:09 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75F34.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:42:50 *** Ridayah [~ridayah@12-208-15-67.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:48:25 *** earlofsandwich [~liam.cokl@203-214-127-74.perm.iinet.net.au] has joined #openttd 00:48:46 *** mikl [~mikl@cpe.ge-0-2-0-812.0x50c774be.boanqu1.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: mikl] 00:52:43 *** Ridayah [~ridayah@12-208-15-67.client.mchsi.com] has joined #openttd 01:14:55 *** fjb_ [~frank@p5485FFDF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:18:53 *** fjb [~frank@p5485C0CA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:20:29 *** Dred_furst` [~Dred_furs@resnet669.bournemouth.ac.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:26:56 *** earlofsandwich [~liam.cokl@203-214-127-74.perm.iinet.net.au] has quit [] 01:27:14 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-110-201.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: und weg] 01:34:51 *** fjb_ is now known as fjb 01:56:58 <ln> nucular weapons! 01:59:43 * fjb hides. 02:03:57 *** Gekz_ [~brendan@202.43.235.148] has joined #openttd 02:05:38 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:22:25 *** fjb [~frank@p5485FFDF.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 02:28:21 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-67-2.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:31:55 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 02:33:56 *** Gekz_ [~brendan@202.43.235.148] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:43:46 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 02:50:11 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-67-2.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 03:06:20 *** grumbel [~grumbel@i577AC077.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Client exiting] 03:30:10 <ccfreak2k> Ugh. 03:30:15 <ccfreak2k> Giant train jam. 03:30:23 <ccfreak2k> There were like 30 trains stacked up and stuck. 03:34:11 <DaleStan> TrueBrain: With the new nightly server, the old collection of TTDPatch nightlies has disappeared. Are they completely gone, or could they be shoveled somewhere on the new server? (See http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=733736#p733736) 05:25:21 *** TrueBrain [truebrain@openttd.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:28:16 *** TrueBrain [truebrain@openttd.org] has joined #openttd 05:28:21 *** Dr_Jekyll [Dr_Jekyll@p57B0F71A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 05:34:07 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 05:38:35 *** De_Ghosty [~s@75-119-224-200.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:47:10 *** De_Ghost [~s@76-10-139-220.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #openttd 05:57:27 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5EC50.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 06:02:10 *** Jezral [~projectjj@85.27.135.237] has joined #openttd 06:03:21 *** De_Ghost [~s@76-10-139-220.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:09:28 *** keyweed_ [~keyweed@home.keyweed.com] has joined #openttd 06:09:33 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@85.27.135.237] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:11:42 *** mikl [~mikl@cpe.ge-0-2-0-812.0x50c774be.boanqu1.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 06:12:18 *** keyweed [~keyweed@home.keyweed.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:37:32 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-229-25.prem.tmns.net.au] has joined #openttd 06:49:02 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 06:58:20 *** boekabart [525c0bbb@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 06:58:53 <boekabart> Is there a function to calculate the 'exact' height somewhere in the middle of a tile? 06:59:16 <boekabart> smth like GetTileHeight( tilex, tiley, tile_pixel_x, tile_pixel_y) or so? 06:59:48 <boekabart> ... one that is smarter than just linearly interpolating the corner heights ... 07:03:52 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:04:40 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 07:06:20 <petern> Poor Ammler, still doesn't get it. 07:07:13 <petern> boekabart, GetSlopeZ(x, y) 07:13:20 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75F34.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:13:41 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75F34.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:26:43 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:30:56 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-111-36.fttx.bbned.nl] has joined #openttd 07:39:33 *** mikl_ [~mikl@cpe.ge-0-2-0-812.0x50c774be.boanqu1.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 07:39:46 *** mikl [~mikl@cpe.ge-0-2-0-812.0x50c774be.boanqu1.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:39:53 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75F34.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:40:03 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5EC50.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 07:40:14 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75F34.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:44:36 * petern applies glue to Eddi|zuHause 07:54:29 *** mortal [~mortal@217.61.144.15] has joined #openttd 07:56:29 <Ammler> petern: don't get what? 07:56:33 <Ammler> good morning btw. :-) 07:56:54 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has joined #openttd 07:57:04 <petern> Versions 07:58:50 *** Vikthor [~novotv6@pc404-51.feld.cvut.cz] has joined #openttd 08:08:10 *** Vikthor [~novotv6@pc404-51.feld.cvut.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:19:03 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5EC50.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 08:19:42 <petern> Ammler, in that OpenTTD version is not necessarily the same string as the package version. 08:21:05 <Ammler> petern: it is obvious for you and maybe it was for me, but it doesn't need to be obvious for external packager... 08:21:40 <Ammler> at least it wasn't for the suse builder, I hope, he is able to handle that next time. 08:23:08 <Ammler> well, I wouldn't package testing builds anyway. 08:33:33 <petern> There is that... 08:46:39 *** Vikthor [~novotv6@pc404-51.feld.cvut.cz] has joined #openttd 08:48:21 <Eddi|zuHause> why do i get a message about announcing industry closure when the industry is already closed? 08:48:38 *** MapperOG [~MapperOG@p57B2E728.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:50:57 <Ammler> maybe there were multiple news at same time and the message was postponded... 08:51:27 <Ammler> -d 08:52:21 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-0-83-170.leed.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 08:52:33 <Brianetta> How does one create Makefile.bundle? 08:52:41 <Brianetta> I can't make install because that file doesn't exist 08:57:08 <Eddi|zuHause> Ammler: but not for an entire month, especially not with daylength 8 08:57:38 <Eddi|zuHause> Brianetta: shouldn't ./configure take care of that? 08:57:45 <Brianetta> Eddi: It didn't 08:58:07 <Ammler> configure needs makefile.bundle to create makefile 08:58:26 <Brianetta> Ammler: Apparently not. I can delete Makefile, and configure will still recreate it. 08:58:37 <Brianetta> It still builds openttd, as well. 08:58:43 <Brianetta> Makefile.bundle.in exists 08:58:46 <Brianetta> but not Makefile.bundle 09:01:47 <Eddi|zuHause> *.in are the template files from the * file should be generated 09:01:52 <Brianetta> I know 09:01:59 <Brianetta> Something needs to process them 09:02:13 <Brianetta> I don't know what, though 09:02:21 <Brianetta> I've tried deleting conifg.cache 09:05:53 <Eddi|zuHause> well, then i have no further idea what could be the problem 09:06:23 <Brianetta> Neither do I, which is exactly why I came on here. 09:09:14 <Brianetta> URL: svn://svn.openttd.org/tags/0.6.3 09:09:14 <Brianetta> Makefile:REVISION = 0.6.2 09:09:14 <Brianetta> readme.txt:Release version: 0.6.2 09:09:18 <Brianetta> That's not right 09:09:27 <Brianetta> I think that the tag is basically ballsed up. 09:11:08 *** Celestar [~Jadzia_Da@mnch-5d876ae6.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 09:11:11 *** mode/#openttd [+o Celestar] by ChanServ 09:11:21 <Celestar> \o 09:11:29 * Celestar sighs 09:11:38 <Celestar> so much for global warming. it snows 09:11:55 <Brianetta> Global warming is the macro effect 09:12:03 <Brianetta> locally, you can get cooling 09:12:05 <Celestar> I wasn't dead serious you know (= 09:12:39 <Celestar> heh. it stopped :P 09:12:43 <Brianetta> If global warming really takes off, the Gulf Stream might divert, meaning a reduction of temperatures in the UK and a possible revival of our ski industry. 09:12:54 <Brianetta> That'd be cool. 09:12:57 <Brianetta> heh 09:12:58 <Brianetta> cool 09:13:08 <Celestar> er Brianetta .. you need mountains for a ski industry :P 09:13:30 <boekabart> scotland has high enough hills I suppose 09:13:31 <Vikthor> Celestar:You are in Muenchen? 09:13:33 <Brianetta> Celestar: Would you like to take a stroll in our Cairngorm National park? 09:13:54 * Brianetta was on a mountain just a couple of days ago 09:13:57 <Celestar> Vikthor: plentifully south of it for the time being, not far from the Austrian border. 09:14:21 <Celestar> Brianetta: I dunno. My home's elevation is already 2000ft (= 09:14:32 <Brianetta> Like Germany isn't all the same kind of land as as Berlin, the UK isn't all flat either 09:14:41 <Vikthor> ohh so already almost in the Alps? 09:14:59 <Brianetta> If your elevation is 200 ft, the mountains must all appear to be exactly the same size as ours. 09:15:12 <Celestar> Vikthor: yeah, in Garmisch, visiting family. 09:15:21 <Vikthor> aha GaPa 09:15:22 <Brianetta> It's not height above sea level that counts; it's how much higher you have to trudge. 09:15:31 <Celestar> Brianetta: well, the Zugspitz is pretty much 10000ft 09:15:34 *** daspork_ [~daspork@71-87-194-249.dhcp.kgpt.tn.charter.com] has joined #openttd 09:15:42 <Brianetta> What's that in real metres? 09:15:45 <Celestar> 3000 09:15:46 <Celestar> m 09:15:56 *** daspork_ [~daspork@71-87-194-249.dhcp.kgpt.tn.charter.com] has quit [] 09:16:02 <Vikthor> that explains it, I was bit worried because snow in Muenchen could mean we would get it in Prague later 09:16:03 *** daspork [~daspork@71-87-194-249.dhcp.kgpt.tn.charter.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:16:08 <Brianetta> That's a respectable height, and far in excess of what's required to be called a mountain. 09:16:13 <Celestar> and one of the few mountains that can be reached by railway (= 09:16:18 <Brianetta> We have two 09:16:30 <Brianetta> Snowdon has a railway to the top, as does Cairn Gorm 09:16:52 <Celestar> the Zugspitzbahn doesn't reach the top, only about 2600m or something 09:17:02 <Brianetta> They gave up 09:17:06 <Brianetta> before the top 09:17:17 <Brianetta> should have chosen a shorter mountain 09:17:56 <Celestar> 25% maximum slope 09:18:05 <Celestar> but it's 45 EUR a round trip :( 09:18:20 <Celestar> 1000mm gauge 09:18:46 <Brianetta> http://www.lake-district.gov.uk/understanding_-_climate_derwentwater_winter.jpg 09:18:56 <Brianetta> Got married near to this camera position 09:19:34 <petern> Eddi|zuHause, trunk? 09:19:43 <Eddi|zuHause> cargodest 09:19:46 <Brianetta> actually, that's not the valey I thought it was 09:19:50 <Brianetta> but it's nearby 09:20:11 <petern> Eddi|zuHause, ah right... well it feels like something fishy in Belugas' change :/ 09:20:16 <Brianetta> Oh, it *is* that valley 09:20:24 <Brianetta> but on the other side of the water to where I was married (: 09:21:21 <petern> readme.txt:Release version: 0.6.3 09:21:29 <petern> Maybe your checkout is busted. 09:21:43 <Celestar> interesting catenary mounting: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b5/Panorama_Train_station_NALB_Allersberg_DE.jpg 09:21:59 <Brianetta> petern: svn says the files are OK 09:23:17 <petern> Was it a clean checkout or a switch? 09:23:45 <Eddi|zuHause> <Celestar> the Zugspitzbahn doesn't reach the top, only about 2600m or something <- around here we have the Brockenbahn, it reaches the top, but that top isn't nearly as high ;) 09:24:51 <Celestar> Eddi|zuHause: it's a rag railways as well I guess? 09:25:11 <Brianetta> switch 09:25:13 <Eddi|zuHause> no... it's normal narrow gauge railway 09:25:26 <Celestar> oh 09:25:28 <Celestar> I see 09:26:14 <Celestar> Stuttgart has it's own rack railway :D 09:26:17 <Celestar> its 09:26:30 <Vikthor> the Pet??n funicular railway reaches the top, but that's only 327 m :D 09:26:57 <Vikthor> gradient is 29.5% though 09:27:22 <Celestar> nice gradient 09:27:41 * Celestar wonders what the maximum gradient is that normal railways use 09:29:20 <Eddi|zuHause> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brockenbahn 09:30:06 *** welshdragon [~vista@adsl-83-100-138-245.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 09:31:07 *** mikl_ [~mikl@cpe.ge-0-2-0-812.0x50c774be.boanqu1.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:31:24 <Celestar> .. apparently 7.9% for normal gauge 09:32:12 <Eddi|zuHause> someone told me that in norway they advertise some railway as the highest gradient conventional rail 09:32:40 <welshdragon> y 09:32:45 <Celestar> dunno 09:32:52 <welshdragon> that's bullshit 09:33:05 <Celestar> the 4% on Frankfurt - Köln can feel pretty badly :P 09:33:22 <welshdragon> the highest gradient conventional rail is in switzerland 09:35:38 <Vikthor> Celestar, yeah that's pretty interesting, was in Aachen by car in August and the track has almost the same profile as Autobahn 09:35:52 <welshdragon> or even Peru 09:38:12 *** mortal [~mortal@217.61.144.15] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:39:10 *** FR^2 [fr@oscar.frquadrat.de] has joined #openttd 09:39:20 <Celestar> Vikthor: yeah :) 09:40:36 <Celestar> Eddi|zuHause: the Brokenbahn is still steam-only? 09:40:51 <Eddi|zuHause> it says "almost steam only" 09:41:09 <Celestar> dunno, I've just read about it somewhere years ago :P 09:41:14 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, it's a tourist attraction, i don't think they scrap the steam engines any time soon :p 09:42:31 <Eddi|zuHause> they have also some diesel railcars, but those are usually used on the other lines 09:42:56 <Eddi|zuHause> and they have some regauged diesel engines, which were mainly intended for freight traffic 09:43:13 <Eddi|zuHause> but i have seen them used on passenger trains, too 09:47:27 * Celestar is going to have an ICE3 ride tomorrow ;) 09:47:58 <Eddi|zuHause> the only time i used an ICE was when i got it for free... 09:48:18 <Celestar> heh I pay 75 EUR round trip for Munich-Pasing to Köln Hbf. 09:48:34 <Celestar> which is *much* less than by car 09:48:50 <Eddi|zuHause> and even then not regularly, as they practically went orthogonal to the way i wanted to go 09:49:51 <Celestar> I've never managed to catch and ICE2 up to now 09:49:55 <Celestar> only 1, 3 and T 09:50:30 <Eddi|zuHause> there aren't that many ICE2, i suppose ;) 09:50:44 <Celestar> not in Munich 09:51:29 <Eddi|zuHause> they are used on routes where the splitting ability is useful, i assume... like Berlin - Ruhr area 09:51:48 <Celestar> the ICE3 usually runs everything that continues on Frankfurt - Köln NBS, the ICE1 runs everything that goes via WÃŒrzburg-Hannover and the ICE-T is used on the Berlin route (since it's 25 minutes faster than every other train due to tilting) 09:51:48 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-0-83-170.leed.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 09:53:34 * Celestar sighs ... "girls" 09:54:13 <Eddi|zuHause> well, yes, you wouldn't pass through ThÃŒringen without tilting :p 09:54:31 <Celestar> nope, not really (= 09:54:48 * Vikthor just found out, that there is hg on the school computer, let's install cargodest :D 09:54:55 <Celestar> heh :D 09:55:28 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 09:56:41 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F1D9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:57:08 *** Zahl [~Zahl@f051071065.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 09:57:55 *** Jezral is now known as TinoDidriksen 10:00:11 *** fjb [~frank@p5485FFDF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:00:18 <fjb> Hello 10:00:34 <Vikthor> hi fjb 10:01:58 * Celestar shakes head in utter disbelief 10:02:14 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5adb1dad.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:03:07 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5ad9f9ee.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 10:03:17 *** elmex [~elmex@e180066037.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 10:04:21 <Celestar> which idiot came up with the "Gesundheitsfonds" in Germany :S 10:05:39 <fjb> The same people who wish to introduce "Rentenfonds". 10:05:55 <MapperOG> wasn't it Ulla Schmidt?! 10:06:17 * Celestar thinks he needs to accelerate his plans to emigrate :S 10:06:52 <MapperOG> what a shame - I should know, I visited an info campang back when I was working for a health insurance company.. 10:07:23 <Celestar> I hate all this state-driven stuff :S 10:08:34 <keyweed_> yes. doing it commerically is much wiser. 10:09:06 <keyweed_> since they moved to commercial health insurance my fees have been raised by 500% and my coverage halfed. 10:09:11 <keyweed_> *halved. 10:09:37 <Celestar> I'm effectively paying 550 EUR a month for health insurance 10:09:51 <keyweed_> oO 10:10:00 <keyweed_> woah. then i should not complain. 10:10:11 <Celestar> and I don't have any coverage except that what prevents immidiate death or maybe loss of limb 10:10:15 <keyweed_> unless you make somewhere near 10 000 eur a month 10:10:40 <Celestar> 3300 EUR gross 10:10:45 <Celestar> which is 1900 EUR net 10:11:08 <keyweed_> oO 10:11:15 <keyweed_> that's absurd 10:11:54 <keyweed_> i make about 2100 net and pay about 150/month and it does still cover the essentials 10:12:15 <Celestar> I don't get a PENNY for new glasses (I have 8 diopters ... ) 10:12:47 <Celestar> apparently someone things not running around blind is a luxury 10:13:12 <Celestar> thinks* 10:14:26 <Eddi|zuHause> i currently pay around 60⬠for health insurance 10:14:55 <Celestar> I also pay around 600 EUR a month for "retirement insurance" ... 10:15:00 <Eddi|zuHause> based on some totally imaginary assumption of an income ;) 10:16:58 <Celestar> but the 3300 EUR gross is not really gross. What my employer pays is 4000 EUR a month. 1900 EUR which I get. In other words, the state keeps over 50% of my income right away. 10:18:05 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, it's so funny ;) 10:18:08 <Celestar> yeah. 10:18:32 <Celestar> I mean if we even had a proper road and rail network, I don't even complain, but you cannot even get around this country. 10:18:52 <Celestar> We had 400km worth of traffic jams in Bavaria yesterday. It was a clear, sunny day. 10:19:18 <Celestar> so no "bad weather" excuses 10:19:42 <Celestar> there are no vacations starting or ending either. 10:19:46 <Vikthor> I am off to lunch, bye for now 10:19:51 *** Vikthor [~novotv6@pc404-51.feld.cvut.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:20:17 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... i was listening to traffic report yesterday morning, everything was clear then. and then when i went back in the evening it was like "4km jam because of an accident, 3km jam because of an accident, 12km jam because of several accidents, ..." 10:20:18 <Celestar> so I'm kinda wondering whose throats all my money get stuffed into. 10:20:47 <Celestar> Eddi|zuHause: 40km on the A8 Munich-Rosenheim without accident. 35km on the A9 Munich Nuremburg without accident. 10:20:57 <Celestar> it's just the the roads can't cope with traffic 10:21:02 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... no... it wasn't on that kind of scale here ;) 10:21:16 <Celestar> 25km on the A6 near Nuremburg. 10:21:22 <Celestar> 30km on the A99 around Munich.. 10:21:36 <Celestar> ok there was a crash on the A99 10:21:44 <Eddi|zuHause> you can't imagine how traffic was around here, 15 years ago 10:21:51 <Eddi|zuHause> it significantly improved 10:22:11 <Celestar> are you anywhere near the A70/A73/A4 area? 10:22:20 <Eddi|zuHause> but maybe that is because everyone who owned a car went away as quickly as possible :p 10:22:36 <Eddi|zuHause> no... A4 is far south from here 10:22:59 <Eddi|zuHause> we have A9, A14, A38 here 10:23:09 <Celestar> ah 10:23:09 <Eddi|zuHause> where the latter is not fully complete yet 10:23:25 <Celestar> yeah, and some drunk idiot went for the H solution instead of the X solution? 10:23:45 <Eddi|zuHause> the what? 10:25:18 <Eddi|zuHause> finishing of the A14 probably caused the best improvement in traffic around here 10:25:51 <Eddi|zuHause> so all traffic towards Magdeburg doesn't have to go through Halle-Trotha anymore 10:26:26 <Eddi|zuHause> the B6 is practically empty now ;) 10:27:30 <Celestar> Eddi|zuHause: initiall the A14 should be extended from Magdeburg to Hamburg and the A39 from Wolfsburg to Schwerin, with the two crossing somewhere (The X solution). Now, they're planning to connect Wolfsburg to Hamburg and Magdeburg to Schwerin, building two parallel highways about 50 km apart without any kind of interconnection. 10:27:36 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:27:49 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 10:27:59 <Eddi|zuHause> that is far north from here ;) 10:28:18 <Celestar> it is kind of stupid anyway 10:29:20 *** Zorni [zorn@e177225101.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:29:47 <petern> *sigh* 10:29:52 <petern> PCI-DSS compliance is a joke. 10:30:23 <Eddi|zuHause> the most funny thing around here is that they planned the A36, and then did not have any money to build it, so instead they build that exact plan under the name B6N ;) 10:30:46 <Eddi|zuHause> where the money comes from another source ;) 10:31:01 <Celestar> yeah 10:31:04 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [] 10:31:16 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 10:31:17 <Rubidium> retirement insurance sounds pretty wrong ;) 10:31:31 <Rubidium> "you" getting money if you can't retire? 10:31:31 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has left #openttd [] 10:31:38 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 10:31:50 <Celestar> Eddi|zuHause: you know, it is kind of interesting, seeing that both are federal roads ... 10:32:04 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: it's ambiguous only in the english translation 10:32:56 *** Zorn [zorn@g224105135.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 10:33:53 <Eddi|zuHause> speaking of federal roads... they plan to continue the B242 from the crossing with the B180 (where it ends now) to Halle, over an _existing_ road for over 15 years now, and they still did not manage that... 10:34:45 <Eddi|zuHause> the only requirement to putting up the plates is having turnout lanes on the crossings... 10:35:42 <Celestar> heh 10:35:46 <Celestar> welcome to Germany :P 10:36:12 <Celestar> I wonder why infrastructure sucks so badly around this country 10:36:49 <ln> you have too much of it 10:36:59 <Celestar> er .. we don't 10:37:05 <Eddi|zuHause> well... neglecting infrastructure in half the country for 40 years must have some long term side effects... 10:37:16 * Celestar points ln to the note of having 400km traffic jams yesterday 10:37:21 <Celestar> Eddi|zuHause: well, it's not half the country ... 10:37:45 <Eddi|zuHause> well, two halves are exactly equal, right? ;) 10:37:53 <SmatZ> hello Celestar :) as you asked me about that gcc 2.95 test ... it works :) 10:38:09 *** welshdragon [~vista@adsl-83-100-138-245.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:38:13 <Celestar> SmatZ: awesome ;) 10:38:53 <SmatZ> Celestar: but this patch is needed : http://devs.openttd.org/~smatz/gcc295cargodest.diff 10:39:09 <Celestar> looking 10:39:26 <Celestar> ah ok 10:39:47 *** Mark [~M4rk@5ED06875.cable.ziggo.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:40:22 <Celestar> k I gotta go 10:40:24 <Celestar> thanks SmatZ ;) 10:41:09 *** Celestar [~Jadzia_Da@mnch-5d876ae6.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:43:37 *** Vikthor [~novotv6@pc404-68.feld.cvut.cz] has joined #openttd 10:45:03 *** Rexxie [~rexxars@62.113.133.253] has joined #openttd 10:46:23 *** welshdragon [~vista@adsl-83-100-138-245.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 10:46:53 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@62.113.133.253] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:48:03 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80A59.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:49:41 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B810CD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 10:49:44 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 10:49:52 *** mikl [~mikl@cpe.ge-0-2-0-812.0x50c774be.boanqu1.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 10:52:19 *** Vikthor [~novotv6@pc404-68.feld.cvut.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:57:09 *** Chrill [~chrischri@c80-216-96-107.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 11:01:28 <petern> Has anyone here done mailman list migration? 11:03:05 * keyweed_ goes into denial 11:05:06 <ln> a finnish company offering rental apartments has banned keeping swastika flags on balconies. 11:09:59 <Doorslammer> Such is discrimination in Finland :P 11:10:26 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:12:17 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 11:20:15 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has left #openttd [] 11:20:25 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 11:21:01 <keyweed_> pft. no swatikas. and they're such a friendly decorative addition to the suburbal atmosphere. 11:22:06 <Eddi|zuHause> swastikas per se are not banned in germany, only associating them with anti-constutional movements is 11:22:24 <Doorslammer> Um, apparently they are though 11:22:35 <Doorslammer> Ever tried to get a model kit with them in Germany? 11:22:37 <Ammler> Hakenkreuz? 11:22:42 <Doorslammer> Good luck with that ;) 11:23:51 <Ammler> I once draw a network plan on the #openttdcoop server, someone thought, it looks like one and my plan got banned because of that :-) 11:24:15 <MapperOG> lol swastikas in Germany are pretty much banned (if it's not a symbolic destruction of the same) 11:24:54 <MapperOG> but btw. I tried to play a netgame of openttd 0.6.3 RC1-111 and could get into the game, as soon as one connected and the other one unpaused the game we got a desync 11:25:44 <Eddi|zuHause> Doorslammer: well, they are certainly not put on toys :p 11:26:20 <Eddi|zuHause> you CAN use them for historical documentations and stuff 11:26:25 <Doorslammer> Thats because their depiction is banned outright, decals have to be changed for German market on say airplane kits and the like :) 11:27:27 <petern> Silly. 11:27:41 <Doorslammer> http://www.pravda.ru <--- the forum here is so anti-semitic it is something almost cartoon-like :S 11:27:59 <Ammler> MapperOG: do you use suse? 11:28:03 <petern> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/63/HinduSwastika.svg :D 11:28:12 <MapperOG> Ammler: yes.. 11:28:36 <MapperOG> there was also a hospize movement called the "Red Swastika" ?! 11:28:43 <Ammler> well, it doesn't help, was just curious ;-) 11:28:59 <Doorslammer> Still, good for a laugh, the Russians. They may mock the financial mess in the US, but of course they don't mention most oligarchs and banks have gone out of business or bankrupt in good ol' Moskva 11:29:14 <Ammler> the wikipedia page about is huge. 11:30:46 <petern> about what? 11:37:07 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@f051071065.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 11:37:08 *** Zahl [~Zahl@f051071065.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:37:08 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 11:44:13 <Ammler> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika) 11:45:42 <Eddi|zuHause> "(3) Absatz 1 gilt nicht, wenn das Propagandamittel oder die Handlung der staatsbÃŒrgerlichen AufklÀrung, der Abwehr verfassungswidriger Bestrebungen, der Kunst oder der Wissenschaft, der Forschung oder der Lehre, der Berichterstattung ÃŒber VorgÀnge des Zeitgeschehens oder der Geschichte oder Àhnlichen Zwecken dient." (§86/86a StGB) <- these are the cases where using a swastika is allowed 11:46:32 <Eddi|zuHause> note that "placing on toy models" is not part of this list ;) 11:47:18 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't think a toy model would pass as "art" in the sense of this paragraph 11:48:12 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 11:48:17 <Eddi|zuHause> it's definitely a grey area, so the commercial producers won't risk it 11:58:34 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 11:58:42 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has left #openttd [] 11:58:55 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 12:05:41 *** Zorn [zorn@g224105135.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:07:13 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:08:02 *** Zorn [zorn@e177113175.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 12:15:59 *** fjb [~frank@p5485FFDF.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:18:45 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 12:19:06 *** FR^2 [fr@oscar.frquadrat.de] has quit [Quit: Connection reset by caffein depletion...] 12:19:58 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has left #openttd [] 12:20:07 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 12:29:10 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm154.epsilon120.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 12:29:18 *** M4rk [~M4rk@5ED06875.cable.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 12:29:23 *** M4rk is now known as Mark 12:34:37 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 12:34:40 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:35:17 *** Volley [~worf@84-119-54-39.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #openttd 12:41:23 *** roboboy [3d459439@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 12:55:54 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r14436 /trunk/src/train_cmd.cpp: -Fix [FS#1793]: (fast) trains would sometimes move one time too often/little when moving from diagonal<->non-diagonal tracks (iguannab) 12:57:17 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5ad9f9ee.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:57:24 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@86.89.201.189] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 13:03:18 <Eddi|zuHause> damn... i felt so disoriented suddenly... 13:03:24 <Eddi|zuHause> i opened a station window 13:03:33 <Eddi|zuHause> and searched for the "EinschÀtzung" button 13:04:08 <Eddi|zuHause> but had to realize first to look at the "Bewertung" button instead 13:04:39 <Gekz> auf Englisch? 13:07:12 <ln> Oneschaetdzung, Beworthung 13:09:39 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@bib-theater33.hku.nl] has joined #openttd 13:10:21 *** boekabart [525c0bbb@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 13:10:44 <Eddi|zuHause> why don't we have custom bridge heads for road yet? 13:11:46 <Rubidium> cause you don't have them for trains either? 13:13:12 *** welshdragon [~vista@adsl-83-100-138-245.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:13:23 <petern> cos you've not written them :D 13:19:15 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: well, the reason for trains was that signal behaviour couldn't be adapted. but road vehicles do not have signals 13:23:38 <petern> Hmm, where is mailman getting this cgi-bin from :o 13:24:00 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 13:27:06 *** fjb [~frank@p5485FFDF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:27:58 <murray> http://img.thedailywtf.com/images/200809/errord/eve_error.JPG 13:31:20 <petern> Uh huh 13:33:15 *** roboboy [3d459439@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 13:35:14 <fjb> Never trust the words of a woman. 13:41:54 <Eddi|zuHause> i really really need the ability to dynamically assemble freight trains 13:46:31 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5ad38369.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 13:47:06 <petern> Grrr 13:50:13 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 13:50:21 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 13:51:07 <yorick> how is the size of a sparse_array chunk saved? 13:51:30 <yorick> (number of items != "size") 13:51:43 <yorick> (number of bytes == "size") 13:53:03 <fjb> Eddi|zuHause: Please implement it and you will be my hero. 13:53:45 <Eddi|zuHause> yorick: chunk sizes are ALWAYS in bytes 13:54:12 <yorick> Array sizes aren't. 13:54:27 <yorick> so "array chunks" are special 13:55:55 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-229-25.prem.tmns.net.au] has quit [] 13:56:44 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@bib-theater33.hku.nl] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 14:13:58 *** De_Ghosty [~s@76-10-136-20.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #openttd 14:14:11 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 14:30:23 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@resnet513.bournemouth.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 14:33:52 <Eddi|zuHause> multi tile waypoints are not working... i can't tell a train "use platform 4, or use platform 6 if 4 is full" 14:34:42 <Eddi|zuHause> it will always attempt to go to platform 4, because the way is shorter, and it does not check if the platform is occupied 14:34:56 <Eddi|zuHause> this could be solved by a lookahead 14:35:30 <Ammler> Eddi|zuHause: you can do that with signals and different lengths 14:35:47 <Ammler> penalty is your friend :-) 14:37:02 *** FR^2 [fr@oscar.frquadrat.de] has joined #openttd 14:37:43 <Eddi|zuHause> how would that help? 14:38:18 <Eddi|zuHause> the problem is exactly that there is no penalty for "train can't reach next destination from here" 14:38:37 <SmatZ> yapf has penalty for "last red signal" 14:40:04 <Eddi|zuHause> but there is no "last signal" anymore, with YAPP 14:40:38 <Eddi|zuHause> free platforms are now chosen by reserved state of the tile 14:40:57 *** Chrill [~chrischri@c80-216-96-107.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [] 14:41:14 <Eddi|zuHause> but if i now have a short waypoint station, and a real platform behind it, the waypoint station is not reserved 14:41:26 <Ammler> Eddi|zuHause: different plattform lengths has also different penalties. 14:41:39 *** Volley [~worf@84-119-54-39.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:42:10 <Eddi|zuHause> so this lookahead would solve the problem with the reservation, as the pathfinder would consider the reservation behind the waypoint station 14:42:19 <Ammler> maybe you need to adjust the default values. 14:42:52 <Eddi|zuHause> Ammler: platform length has absolutely no relevance to my problem 14:43:13 *** MapperOG [~MapperOG@p57B2E728.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:49:07 <yorick> what's the best hex editor? 14:49:46 <yorick> I'm currently using XVI32, but it does not have an option to display offset 14:49:51 <Eddi|zuHause> a butterfly 14:50:07 <fjb> KHexEdit 14:50:31 <yorick> best WINDOWS hex iditor... 14:50:35 <Eddi|zuHause> i have not in a long time seen a hex editor who did not attempt to read the whole file into memory first 14:51:14 <Eddi|zuHause> and diskedit doesn't work anymore on modern systems 14:52:31 <yorick> i'd prefer a butterfly 14:53:04 <yorick> it can sit on windows, is portable, and is even colourful, but I can't compile butterflies, could you do that for me? 14:53:23 <Prof_Frink> Sorry, I don't have emacs. 14:58:26 *** Zealotus [~Ping@78-69-54-150-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:58:44 *** Zealotus [~Ping@78-69-54-150-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 14:58:47 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:59:38 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r14437 /branches/noai/ (5 files in 2 dirs): [NoAI] -Add: function to set/query the autoreplace wagon removal variable. Patch by Yexo. 15:03:20 <yorick> why is zlib used as the main game compression format, and not lzo? 15:03:43 <glx> because it's better 15:04:34 <yorick> zlib requires zlib 15:05:03 <glx> libpng requires zlib too 15:05:21 <yorick> libpng is optional 15:05:35 <glx> so is zlib 15:06:05 <yorick> you can't load any saves made with normal openttd without zlib 15:06:22 <yorick> and why is lzo still supported if the format will be zlib? 15:06:36 <glx> because we support ttd savegames 15:06:50 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-0-83-170.leed.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 15:07:00 <SmatZ> zlib is needed for png and freetype 15:07:12 <yorick> ttd uses lzo? 15:07:50 <SmatZ> no, OTTD used to 15:08:13 <yorick> ok :) 15:08:18 <SmatZ> I am not sure 15:08:55 <SmatZ> yeah, some kind of RLE is used in TTD 15:09:51 <petern> Yeah, not lzo. 15:10:30 <Eddi|zuHause> http://users.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/Cottbus%20Transport,%207.%20Jan%201931.png <- the problem. train has 3 platforms to choose from, but waits eternally for platform 1 to get free, because path reserving takes the occupied platform into account, but path finding does not 15:11:06 <Eddi|zuHause> http://users.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/Cottbus Transport,%2027.%20Dez%201930.png <- err this is the problem 15:11:11 <Eddi|zuHause> the other one is the solution 15:11:24 <Eddi|zuHause> damn, forgot one space... 15:11:33 <Eddi|zuHause> http://users.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/Cottbus%20Transport,%2027.%20Dez%201930.png 15:15:39 <Aali> Eddi|zuHause: maybe you should hide the trees so we can actually see whats going on 15:18:47 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 15:25:24 *** welshdragon [~vista@adsl-83-100-138-245.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 15:26:42 <petern> Hello, oh welsh one 15:27:43 <welshdragon> hello petern 15:36:10 <yorick> "delivered_cargo, SLE_INT32" <-- you can have a negative amount of cargo delivered? 15:37:50 <FauxFaux> I've seen trains get negative income for delivering cargo, anyone else seen that? 15:38:06 <yorick> yes. 15:38:14 <FauxFaux> It was some orders screw up with transfers, I think. 15:38:19 <yorick> cargo can drop in value below 0 15:38:27 <FauxFaux> Heh, even better. 15:38:40 <Yexo> yorick: are you sure of that? 15:38:48 <yorick> I am quite sure of that 15:39:10 <yorick> if you keep the cargo waiting too long, it will make you lose money when you deliver it 15:39:12 <Eddi|zuHause> Aali: but... the trees are so lovely... 15:39:13 <FauxFaux> I expect it normally "rots" before that happens, though. 15:39:33 <Eddi|zuHause> plus, i did rather expect people to complain about the invisible station tiles :p 15:40:14 <yorick> FauxFaux: you mean passengers can rot inside their coaches? 15:40:32 <Eddi|zuHause> FauxFaux: it is not that the cargo has negative value, but the previously estimated value (at the transfer point) was higher than the final value 15:40:57 <Aali> yorick: game mechanics page at the wiki begs to differ 15:41:01 <Eddi|zuHause> so you still get paid, but the vehicle shows the difference between the expected and final value, which is negative 15:41:07 <Yexo> yorick: and so does the code 15:41:18 <yorick> maybe it's a cargodest-specific feature 15:41:33 <Yexo> with cargodest, you always have tranfers, so that is just a tranfer 'problem' 15:41:37 <Eddi|zuHause> no, it happens in trunk, too, only transfers are not very widespread 15:41:42 <Yexo> like Eddi|zuHause explains 15:46:39 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm154.epsilon120.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:51:37 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 15:56:47 <petern> sacrelige! 15:56:59 <Prof_Frink> Mmm, sacrilicious. 15:57:15 <murray> sacre bleu! 15:57:45 *** nicky [IRC2GOUser@239.81-167-85.customer.lyse.net] has joined #openttd 15:57:57 <nicky> hello 16:00:06 <nicky> have a problem with my new station graphics, all of them, they are completely dark, almost like they are shaded. something terribly wrong there. anyone that can help? 16:01:06 <Eddi|zuHause> go to the newgrf settings, and click on "toggle palette" 16:01:43 <nicky> ok 16:01:47 <nicky> thats it? 16:01:54 <Eddi|zuHause> except you are in 0.6.x 16:02:04 <Eddi|zuHause> then you got the wrong grf 16:02:05 <nicky> 0.6.2 16:02:12 <nicky> oh shit 16:02:19 <nicky> dammit 16:02:33 <nicky> what grfs are compatible with 0.6.2? do you know? 16:02:36 <Eddi|zuHause> grfs should come in a DOS and a Windows version 16:02:43 <nicky> yes 16:02:51 <nicky> only use the windows versions 16:03:01 <Eddi|zuHause> depending on where your original grfs come from, you need the matching newgrf 16:03:02 <nicky> it has work many times before 16:03:04 <nicky> same grfs 16:03:11 <nicky> worked* 16:03:26 <Yexo> Rubidium: the engine pool is still missing from Roadmap 0.7, while I think that is also one of the bigger new features 16:03:50 * Brianetta suspects nicky's transparency settings 16:03:53 <Eddi|zuHause> if you use Win grfs with DOS newgrfs, this will usually result in very dark brown shades 16:04:11 <nicky> yeah, i was wondering about that too 16:04:27 <Brianetta> nicky: Click=hold the spanner. It's in there. 16:04:27 <Eddi|zuHause> or the other way round with lots of pink 16:04:35 <nicky> but it didnt help to change the transparency settings 16:05:06 <Eddi|zuHause> Yexo: "roadmap" is about "things to be done", not about "things that already have been finished" 16:05:08 <nicky> eddi: oooh 16:05:22 <nicky> eddi: thats probably it then 16:05:35 <Yexo> Eddi|zuHause: than take a look at http://wiki.openttd.org/wiki/index.php/Roadmap_0.7 and explain why the other items have been added 16:05:43 <nicky> brianette: what does click hold the spanner mean? 16:05:52 <Eddi|zuHause> it's a wiki... everyone adds what they want... 16:06:01 <Eddi|zuHause> doesn't mean it's correct ;) 16:06:09 <Yexo> Eddi|zuHause: not on that page as it is protected 16:06:24 <nicky> eddi: do you mean if i have downloaded both the dos version and the win version of the same grf? 16:07:07 <Eddi|zuHause> nicky: if you did that, check in the newgrf window, which of the files have been loaded 16:07:26 <nicky> eddi: k, ill check. tx 16:07:33 <Eddi|zuHause> then try to unload that one, and load the other one 16:08:39 <Yexo> is there anyone that can come up with a proper response to http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=31&p=733961#p733961 ? 16:09:23 <petern> Engine pool is not a huge feature. It's a behind-the-scenes change. 16:10:21 <Sacro> Anyone here knowledgeable on Hungarian copyright law? 16:12:48 <nicky> eddi: ive checked my newgrf files and i cant find any relevant doubles. and they all say "w" at the end, indicating its the windows version. 16:13:02 <fjb> Yexo: What is that? Is it worth to answer selfish guys like that? 16:13:08 <Eddi|zuHause> Yexo: that enough? 16:13:10 <nicky> eddi: do you think there can be some sort of crash between other grfs? 16:13:17 <Yexo> thx Eddi|zuHause 16:13:30 <Yexo> fjb: maybe not, but I found him too rude to let go 16:14:29 <nicky> it says my trgt.grf file is corrupted or missing. could that be the problem? 16:16:22 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 16:16:31 <fjb> Best part is his sentence: "I thought this forum is supposed to be for mutual assistance; not for a display of insulting egoistic expertise." :-) 16:16:32 *** Sacro|Laptop [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 16:16:33 <Belugas> if it is missing, you would not be able to start the game 16:17:21 <Belugas> corrupted means you have somehow changed the grf itself. but this would very unlikely be the cause of a crash 16:17:50 <nicky> kk 16:19:32 <Belugas> mmh... forums is slow of somehow blocked 16:19:57 <SmatZ> nicky: 0.6.3? you have the german version of GRFs ... trunk handles them fine :) 16:20:03 <Belugas> "waiting for www.tt-forums.net" :S 16:20:04 <SmatZ> but you can ignore that warning 16:20:18 <SmatZ> Belugas: works for me :) 16:20:40 <Belugas> therefor, must be blocked :( 16:22:40 <nicky> smatz: i have 0.6.2, what do you mean by german versions? 16:23:06 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:23:22 <nicky> is there a difference between languages in grfs? 16:23:32 *** Baem [~mm@p578b6f24.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 16:23:37 <Baem> hi all 16:23:55 <Eddi|zuHause> nicky: no, but differences in publication of grfs 16:24:38 <SmatZ> nicky: GRF files from german OTTD version differ a bit 16:24:42 <Eddi|zuHause> some sprites have been fixed in a version that was apparently distributed in germany, so the checksums are different, and openttd does not recognize them (or something) 16:24:57 <SmatZ> and OTTD 0.6.x knows only the english GRF version 16:25:06 <nicky> ah 16:25:08 <SmatZ> ass eddi said :) 16:25:14 <nicky> nice 16:25:26 <nicky> i think i used grfcrawler on the stations 16:25:40 <nicky> are there any german grfs there? 16:26:05 <Eddi|zuHause> grfcrawler is about newgrfs, not original grfs 16:26:51 <nicky> my original ttd? or my openttd version? 16:27:02 <Eddi|zuHause> your original ttd 16:27:09 <nicky> ah, right 16:27:17 <nicky> dont remember where i downloaded that 16:27:28 <Eddi|zuHause> pssst! 16:27:45 <Eddi|zuHause> *wave hands* you did not download this anywhere 16:27:51 <nicky> lol 16:27:55 <Eddi|zuHause> *wave hands* you bought these in a store 16:27:57 <nicky> i mean bought 16:28:03 <nicky> of course 16:28:05 <nicky> its slang 16:28:08 <Eddi|zuHause> see, it works ;) 16:28:21 <nicky> i downloaded some groceries a few minutes ago 16:28:26 <glx> <nicky> it says my trgt.grf file is corrupted or missing. could that be the problem? <-- the filename is a DOS one (unless you failed to copy/paste) 16:29:35 <Sacro|Laptop> Any hungerians here? 16:30:10 <nicky> is it possible i managed to download a DOS original TTD, when the rest of the game is working fine from xp? 16:30:15 <nicky> i mean bought 16:30:19 <nicky> damn. sorry 16:30:23 <nicky> more slang 16:30:30 <Baem> where i do found the ranking thingy? i mean the bot like services with counts wins etc 16:30:43 <nicky> a german DOS version lol 16:30:51 <nicky> that would have done the trick 16:30:56 <Baem> or maybe its an builtin? :D 16:30:58 *** Chrill [~chrischri@c80-216-96-107.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 16:31:17 <nicky> maybe i didnt even get the right game, maybe im actually playing ports of call 16:31:36 <nicky> any new grfs for ports of call? 16:31:41 <nicky> new ships? 16:31:42 <nicky> :) 16:31:55 <Eddi|zuHause> nicky: openttd only needs the grfs from an original TTD, whether that original version is DOS or Win does not matter to openttd 16:32:06 <Eddi|zuHause> openttd runs on many other platforms 16:32:21 <nicky> ah 16:33:22 *** dvo [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 16:33:36 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... i don't like how the bufferstops of ISR do not have catenary 16:34:07 <Eddi|zuHause> MB's bufferstops do have them 16:36:05 <nicky> well, tx for all your help, ill see what i find out. bb then 16:36:08 *** nicky [IRC2GOUser@239.81-167-85.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Quit: http://irc2go.com/] 16:37:27 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 16:42:46 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:47:11 <welshdragon> Eddi|zuHause, mention it in the ISR thread 16:48:14 <petern> Heh, my buffer stops don't have catenary either :D 16:48:52 <petern> Mine/Born_Acorn's, that is. 16:48:58 * petern ~/ 16:49:03 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 16:53:13 *** welshdragon is now known as welshdra-gone 16:53:13 *** dvo [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:53:28 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:53:38 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 16:53:47 *** dvo [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 16:56:47 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75F34.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:57:06 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75F34.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:57:33 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:01:10 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host213-160-dynamic.56-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 17:01:28 <Wolf01> hello 17:01:43 *** Yeggstry [~mind@cpc1-rdng14-0-0-cust946.winn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 17:07:51 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 17:07:52 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:09:22 *** mortal`` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 17:09:41 *** welshdra-gone is now known as welshdragon 17:09:51 <welshdragon> Mortal, connection issues? 17:10:16 <mortal``> yep 17:10:22 <mortal``> don't worry bout it, I just switched to wired 17:10:33 *** Mortal is now known as Guest2997 17:10:33 *** mortal`` is now known as mortal 17:10:59 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: Poef!] 17:13:33 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:16:14 *** Guest2997 [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:17:21 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has joined #openttd 17:18:03 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has quit [] 17:19:26 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has joined #openttd 17:28:15 *** MapperOG [~MapperOG@p57B2DC7B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:46:46 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r14438 /trunk/src/lang/ (11 files): (log message trimmed) 17:46:46 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2008-10-03 17:45:52 17:46:46 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: brazilian_portuguese - 6 fixed by tucalipe (6) 17:46:46 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: dutch - 6 fixed by habell (6) 17:46:46 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: french - 6 fixed by glx (6) 17:46:47 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: galician - 6 fixed by Condex (6) 17:46:47 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: german - 6 fixed, 19 changed by sulai (25) 17:49:33 <Chrill> shiny 17:50:10 <Chrill> huzzah, I've kept Swedish up-to-date 17:50:11 * Prof_Frink gets some more chalk 17:50:15 *** last_evolution [~last_evol@host044.keli.cz] has joined #openttd 17:50:37 * Chrill feels like a very minor contributor to OpenTTD 17:53:32 * Sacro|Laptop almost contribute 17:53:33 <Sacro|Laptop> +d 17:53:45 <Sacro|Laptop> but TrueBrain stole my glory :( 17:55:15 * Prof_Frink pipes Sacro into his laptop 17:59:55 *** the_bat [~bart.mous@94-40-44-2.tktelekom.pl] has joined #openttd 18:00:45 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0.3/2008092417]] 18:01:50 <the_bat> HELP ! how to start the internet server with active grf north american reneval set 2.0? 18:03:14 <the_bat> when I try to run the server with date 1850 I can't build trains :-/ when I start at 1850 on single player evetything is working HELP 18:04:14 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-111-36.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [Quit: Caught sigterm, terminating...] 18:04:53 <Wolf01> do you know how to convert youtube flv files to avi? super and other softwares throw errors or create blank files :| 18:06:14 <ln> why would you want to do that in the first place? 18:06:31 <Wolf01> windows mobile doesn't have a flash player :D 18:06:58 <Belugas> do yiou kow how to override efficiently the MeasureItem function on a TMainMenu descendant? I do not want to redo the whole code :P 18:07:24 <glx> Wolf01: ffmpeg should be able to do it 18:07:32 <Wolf01> I just tried 18:07:37 <Wolf01> #Error! 18:07:40 <Wolf01> :( 18:07:46 <glx> broken flv maybe 18:08:00 <Wolf01> I can see them on the pc 18:08:22 <glx> too recent flash version is another possibilities 18:08:30 <glx> s/ies/y/ 18:08:49 <Wolf01> I might try updating super again 18:08:58 <Wolf01> I did it some days ago 18:09:19 <Wolf01> ok, days... july/2008 18:10:27 <fjb> the_bat: Which version of OpenTTD are you using? 18:16:26 <Wolf01> oh finally I found the download.. that site is a labyrinth :O 18:18:08 *** Phoenix_the_II [rdeboom@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 18:19:00 *** orudge [~orudge@owenrudge.net] has left #openttd [] 18:19:02 *** orudge [~orudge@owenrudge.net] has joined #openttd 18:19:05 *** mode/#openttd [+o orudge] by ChanServ 18:19:52 <FauxFaux> Mmm, eGRVTS claims it's not compatiable with 0.6.x, I've never used newgrf before, and want ponies. It appears to work with the latest release, thoughts? 18:20:35 *** fjb [~frank@p5485FFDF.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:24:11 *** fjb [~frank@p5485FFDF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:24:19 <SpComb> Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd 18:24:19 <fjb> !logs 18:24:21 <FauxFaux> Oh, yeah, that's so totally not working. 18:24:48 <Sacro|Laptop> Right, I've just upgraded from 0.6.3-RC1 to 0.6.3 and fullscreen mode is broken 18:24:58 <Sacro|Laptop> can no longer get 1280x800 18:25:10 <Sacro|Laptop> Any way to debug? 18:25:39 <SmatZ> FauxFaux: no 18:25:54 <SmatZ> Sacro|Laptop: windows? 18:26:14 <SmatZ> but there were no changes of this kind between RC1 and release 18:26:23 <Sacro|Laptop> SmatZ: yes 18:26:43 <ln> Sacro|Laptop: try pouring a cup of tea on the laptop and observe whether there's any change. 18:26:57 <Sacro|Laptop> ln: what type? 18:27:02 <Sacro|Laptop> brown, black or green 18:27:07 <Sacro|Laptop> also, with milk or suger? 18:27:30 <ln> earl grey is what picard drinks, without milk, probably. 18:27:41 <ln> now cows on the enterprise. 18:27:44 <ln> -w 18:28:21 <SmatZ> Sacro|Laptop: works for me 18:28:26 <SmatZ> 1280x800 18:28:27 <FauxFaux> Fullscreen works here, dual head, 1920x1200, fwiw. 18:28:58 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F1D9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:29:05 <Wolf01> About fullscreen, does anybody noticed that alt+enter does not make the game going fullscreen/window mode but the window disappear and appear again unchanged? 18:29:09 <Sacro|Laptop> hmm, works now 18:29:16 <Sacro|Laptop> Wolf01: i did 18:30:44 <SmatZ> Wolf01: works for me... 18:30:52 <SmatZ> in 0.6.3 18:31:10 <SmatZ> in 0.6.3 windows, trunk linux 18:31:32 <Wolf01> I'll try after update 18:33:37 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@g230128176.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 18:33:37 *** Zahl [~Zahl@f051071065.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:33:38 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 18:35:16 <Wolf01> doesn't work for me, trunk windows xp 18:36:03 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-0-83-170.leed.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 18:36:22 <SmatZ> Wolf01: could it be caused by r14363 ? 18:36:27 <Wolf01> no 18:36:55 <Wolf01> I noticed it about 6 months ago 18:37:06 <Wolf01> but I always forgot to report it 18:37:14 <SmatZ> hmm right, r14363 was backported 18:38:09 <Wolf01> some times I need to windowize the game and the hotkeys don't work 18:38:33 <SmatZ> sometimes they don't work, but sometimes they do? 18:38:33 <Wolf01> so I re-notice the bug, but I re-forgot to report it 18:38:39 <Wolf01> no, always 18:38:56 <SmatZ> ok :) 18:39:14 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 18:39:22 <Wolf01> some times mean "what I need to do 2 things at once" :P 18:39:33 <SmatZ> :-) 18:40:03 <petern> Not in English... 18:40:06 <Wolf01> oh, nice, now it tells "fullscreen mode failed" 18:40:19 <Wolf01> s/what/when 18:41:19 *** Dr_Jekyll [Dr_Jekyll@p57B0F71A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: http://www.lagerwiki.de - das Wiki rund um's Thema Lager und Logistik] 18:41:28 <Wolf01> AH! 18:41:59 <Wolf01> it seems to try to use the weird windowed resolution when trying to switch to fullscreen 18:42:11 <Wolf01> setting it to 640x480 worked 18:44:06 <Wolf01> that resolution should be used for fullscreen purpose only, and it shouldn't be changed by resizing the window 18:45:00 <Wolf01> (why somebody wants to set a window size?) 18:46:02 *** Sacro|Laptop [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:46:18 <Belugas> there is a big difference between using the full size of the screen and fullscreen mode 18:46:44 <Wolf01> yes I know 18:47:01 <Wolf01> but the window doesn't have a resolution 18:47:17 <Wolf01> it's the same of the desktop resolution 18:47:29 <Wolf01> it does have a size instead 18:47:57 <Wolf01> and the sized can be easily changed by resizing it with the mouse or clicking to the [] button 18:48:02 <the_bat> guys how to run the server with north american renewal set 2??? I repeat the question? 18:48:19 <Wolf01> s/sized/size 18:48:44 <Belugas> you put it in config, you run the server and it appears 18:49:01 <Belugas> the_bat, you might want to try with different dates 18:49:09 <Belugas> just to rule out the dates problem 18:49:09 <Belugas> s 18:50:04 <the_bat> when I start single player It's work with date 1838 and I can build trains but on multi the official start point 1850 won't work :-/ 18:50:22 <Belugas> we know, you told us already 18:50:32 <Belugas> and it does not make sens 18:51:04 <the_bat> what kind of problem is with start date in multi player game ? 18:51:14 <Belugas> none 18:51:19 <Belugas> that's why it does not make sens 18:51:56 <Wolf01> there are some mystic things on computer's world which don't make sense... 18:52:19 *** insulfrog [~trainslov@92.22.181.18] has joined #openttd 18:52:42 <the_bat> If I add an grf to list it work's everywhere am I right? 18:52:43 <Belugas> the_bat, it could be as stupid as the fact yu are running two differnt configurations 18:54:15 <the_bat> I have two installations on separate folders and with one openttd.cfg ;-)))) 18:54:22 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F1D9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:54:31 <the_bat> is this fine? 18:55:12 <Wolf01> whare's the openttd.cfg? 18:55:49 <Wolf01> if it is in the documents & settings folder it can be used from both the installations 18:55:49 <the_bat> It's windows vista installation so it is in user directory 18:55:56 <Wolf01> ok 18:56:31 <Wolf01> and no other openttd.cfg on the game folder? 18:56:49 <the_bat> hmmm... wait I check it 18:57:07 <Wolf01> maybe the installation you use as server 18:58:25 <the_bat> is the server installation? 18:59:04 <the_bat> I get game from download link 0.6.3 18:59:15 <the_bat> I set the grfs 18:59:26 <the_bat> and start the multiplayer game 18:59:33 <the_bat> run... the server 18:59:39 <the_bat> generate map 18:59:42 <the_bat> and .... 18:59:52 <the_bat> no trains at 1850 ! :-/ 19:00:54 <Wolf01> uhm.. 19:00:58 <Wolf01> the grf status? 19:01:10 <the_bat> In single player works fine 19:01:47 <Wolf01> run the server with the grf loaded and check if the grf is loaded when you're playing 19:01:53 <Belugas> did you advertized the server? meaning it's available to join? 19:02:35 <Wolf01> with loaded I mean no warnings or red status 19:03:04 <the_bat> I set internet server I must do something else ? 19:03:25 <Belugas> telll us which server it is 19:03:49 *** insulfrog [~trainslov@92.22.181.18] has left #openttd [] 19:04:17 <the_bat> the bat :-))) 19:04:26 <the_bat> U see it??? 19:04:27 <Sacro> Sacro :-))) 19:04:50 <Prof_Frink> orudge :-((( 19:05:35 <Belugas> i don't 19:06:00 <the_bat> damn I'm behind the NAT :-/ 19:08:33 *** GoneWacko [~GoneWacko@dhcp-077-249-197-241.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:08:45 *** GoneWacko [~GoneWacko@dhcp-077-249-197-241.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 19:08:46 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 19:10:14 <the_bat> damn it .... when I load the grf it should work in single and multiplayer games ! why it doesn'work on multiplayer.... maybe I must something write in openttd.cfg??? 19:10:46 <orudge> Prof_Frink :ooo 19:10:56 <Belugas> the_bat: it does for everyone but you, so i guess it must be something on your side 19:11:02 <Belugas> now as to what it is... 19:11:12 *** mortal`` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 19:11:57 <the_bat> is the special game versions for the servers? 19:12:01 <Belugas> Wolf01 asked you about what you see on the grf config in game on the server, wyou have not answered 19:12:30 <the_bat> how to check the grf status when the server is runing ? :-) 19:12:44 <Belugas> like waht you do during single player... 19:13:02 <Belugas> grf status window 19:14:02 <the_bat> oh yes I see it everything is ok 19:15:12 *** mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:15:57 <the_bat> the status is ok but the game .... without trains :-/ 19:16:10 <the_bat> and I see... on single player too :-/ 19:17:12 <the_bat> I have only general tram set and american renewal 19:18:11 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:19:02 <Wolf01> /sito OTTD_related/check_grf_status.PNG 19:19:03 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-143-23.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 19:19:11 <Wolf01> check this 19:19:17 <Wolf01> mmmh 19:19:21 <Wolf01> stupid script 19:19:24 * Wolf01 http://wolf01.game-host.org/OTTD_related/check_grf_status.PNG 19:20:49 <the_bat> I have >> Icons 19:21:48 <the_bat> I have yellow ">>" icons like on the dvd pilot forward >> 19:21:51 <Wolf01> I use a different grf set 19:22:07 <the_bat> I see nice stations :-) 19:22:24 <the_bat> and different version 19:22:28 <the_bat> :-) 19:23:01 <the_bat> now I can't run the game on single player at 1850 :-/ 19:23:16 <the_bat> yesterday I play on that date 19:24:07 <the_bat> why sometiemes the start date won't work correct :-/ 19:24:54 <Belugas> there is a certain random as to when the vehicles start to appear 19:25:08 <Belugas> but in yur case, i do not know if it applies 19:26:55 <the_bat> I delete and reload the grfs again and nothing :-/ 19:27:14 <the_bat> on single player too 19:27:27 <the_bat> but I have yesterday save game :-) 19:28:00 <the_bat> It's not the exclamation of the problem 19:28:03 <the_bat> :-) 19:29:33 <the_bat> damn ... no trais 19:31:40 <Wolf01> 2 hours of discussion and at the end it was an "open eyes dream" :D 19:32:28 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:32:47 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has joined #openttd 19:34:14 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:35:41 <Belugas> sniff sniff 19:35:52 <Prof_Frink> Belugas: Put the glue down 19:36:04 <the_bat> send me u openttd.cfg ;-) 19:36:39 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has joined #openttd 19:36:59 <the_bat> ok I get nightly build openttd :-) 19:37:09 <the_bat> like u have 19:37:10 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:37:14 <the_bat> wolf 19:38:45 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has joined #openttd 19:39:19 <Wolf01> the cfg doesn't matter 19:39:33 *** MapperOG [~MapperOG@p57B2DC7B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:40:50 <the_bat> maybe it's VISTA! %^%#^$@# :-) 19:41:14 <Belugas> yeah right... 19:41:28 <Belugas> like... there's no one with vista who can play ;) 19:46:59 *** Ammler is now known as PublicServer 19:48:38 *** PublicServer is now known as Ammler 19:48:43 *** [com]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has joined #openttd 19:49:03 <the_bat> I think it's problem with 0.6.3 and vista the nightly build works fine 19:49:18 *** welshdragon is now known as welshdra-gone 19:51:52 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-75-74-51-51.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 19:53:24 *** Wolf01 is now known as Wolf01|AWAY 19:53:34 <petern> Wait, you're trying to use NARS2 in 0.6.3? 19:53:54 <SpComb> Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd 19:53:54 <Nite_Owl> !logs 19:54:36 <ln> http://beardless.mirror.waffleimages.com/files/21/21bc408129ead4a7424358d2e4d424eee95fd258.jpg 19:55:00 *** tba [~bart.mous@94-40-44-2.tktelekom.pl] has joined #openttd 19:57:12 <tba> 0.6.3 won't work with vista and north american renewal set NARS 2.0 19:57:37 <petern> Wrong. 19:57:38 <tba> nightly build work as it could :-) 19:57:51 <petern> http://users.tt-forums.net/pikka/wiki/index.php?title=NARS_Required_and_Recommended_Patch_settings 19:59:09 <Nite_Owl> In: Now that was funny 19:59:26 <petern> Who's "In" ? 20:00:08 <Rubidium> petern: the guy you and me are ignoring and Nite_Owl's misspelling 20:00:22 <Nite_Owl> oops - looked like In instead of ln 20:00:27 <Prof_Frink> petern: Pietersen and Flintoff. 20:00:46 <petern> Odd, my ignorelist is empty. 20:00:49 *** tba [~bart.mous@94-40-44-2.tktelekom.pl] has quit [] 20:00:59 <Nite_Owl> Depends on the font I guess 20:03:24 <the_bat> north american renewal set 2.0 needs newest version than 0.6.3 LOL :-)))) 2 HOURS OF DISCUSSION LOL 20:03:26 <Nite_Owl> Arial = Capital I and lower case l look the same 20:03:57 <Prof_Frink> faiI. 20:07:51 <SmatZ> world with ln in the ignore list is so nice... 20:09:07 * SmatZ cleans his ignore list 20:09:34 <SmatZ> *empties 20:15:09 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@g230128176.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 20:15:09 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g230128176.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:15:09 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 20:22:11 *** Htx^Lapto [~harteex@84-217-100-185.tn.glocalnet.net] has joined #openttd 20:24:26 <Htx^Lapto> yo, just a quick question.. I wanted to change the direction on a road but missed to stop the vehicles... is there any way to solve this situation? 20:24:27 <Htx^Lapto> http://harteex.kicks-ass.net/openttd.jpg 20:25:14 <Htx^Lapto> i can't make them turn around or build new roads to the affected vechicles as there are vehicles "in the way"... I don't seem to be able to change direction of the tiles with vehicles on them either 20:25:32 <SmatZ> hahahaahaahah 20:26:00 <Nite_Owl> Send them to the depot 20:26:10 <Htx^Lapto> it says it can't find local depot 20:26:11 <Prof_Frink> Htx^Lapto: You don't need oneway on every tile 20:26:24 <Htx^Lapto> thanks for your compassion btw ;) 20:26:33 <Htx^Lapto> ok 20:26:54 <Htx^Lapto> guess I'll have to load an old save :/ 20:27:07 <Prof_Frink> You can't even send in a train for a mercy killing 20:27:14 <petern> Can you not remove the oneway bits if a vehicle is on them? 20:27:18 <Htx^Lapto> no 20:27:46 <Prof_Frink> openttd needs cht:deleteveh or whatever it was 20:27:50 <SmatZ> Htx^Lapto: they aren't deadlocked, are they? 20:28:18 <Htx^Lapto> i guess they are, I really can't do anything with them 20:29:00 <SmatZ> weird :-/ 20:29:18 <Htx^Lapto> it says can't build road when I try to change direction 20:30:00 <Htx^Lapto> i don't really think it would be a problem to allow that, if the truck has entered the tile, just wait to apply the rule to it when it enters a new tile or something 20:30:09 <SmatZ> can you post a savegame? I couldn't reproduce that 20:31:34 <Htx^Lapto> sure 20:32:14 <Htx^Lapto> btw the depot in the image is quite misleading as i built it after the problem arose... so it's not connected to the road as there were vehicles on the road 20:33:07 <petern> SmatZ ... it's laughably easy to reproduce that. 20:33:13 <Htx^Lapto> http://harteex.kicks-ass.net/htxsave.sav 20:34:40 <Htx^Lapto> I could always file a suggestion in the bug tracker... i'm already registered there anyway. If you want. 20:36:09 *** last_evolution [~last_evol@host044.keli.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:36:19 <Prof_Frink> petern! NewIgnoreOneWayButtonForRoadVehicles! 20:36:51 <petern> NewProf_FrinkGetMeABeer! 20:37:02 <Prof_Frink> http://beeroverip.org 20:40:28 *** fonso [~fonso@brln-d9bacd60.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 20:41:50 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 20:51:28 * glx likes the disclaimer 20:51:43 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has quit [Quit: ecke] 20:54:28 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has joined #openttd 20:56:25 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:56:43 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has joined #openttd 20:57:37 <fjb> Btw, why do most people put one way raod signs at every tile? You see that on almost every screenshot. 20:58:00 <Prof_Frink> Because they are silly. 20:58:45 <fjb> Most annoying in multiplayer games. You can connect nothing to that roads. 21:01:00 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:03:04 *** the_bat [~bart.mous@94-40-44-2.tktelekom.pl] has quit [] 21:03:47 *** fonso [~fonso@brln-d9bacd60.pool.mediaWays.net] has left #openttd [Kopete 0.12.7 : http://kopete.kde.org] 21:08:33 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-0-83-170.leed.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 21:22:14 *** mikl [~mikl@cpe.ge-0-2-0-812.0x50c774be.boanqu1.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:29:53 <SmatZ> petern: I tried once to reproduce, and I failed... 21:45:14 <Ammler> fjb: there is a chat option on MP servers. 21:45:39 <Ammler> you can ask other player, if they need to change something. 21:45:54 <Ammler> s 21:46:28 *** [com]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has quit [Quit: Operator, give me an exit] 21:49:37 <fjb> When the player is not online...? 21:50:47 <Ammler> and the company passworded? 21:50:55 <Ammler> else speak with the admin 21:53:03 <fjb> Annoying when that player is the admin... 21:53:54 <Sacro> @seen Tekky 21:53:54 <DorpsGek> Sacro: Tekky was last seen in #openttd 3 days, 19 hours, 13 minutes, and 33 seconds ago: <Tekky> ccfreak2k: lol :) 21:53:56 <Sacro> hmm 21:54:21 <Ammler> fjb: then don't play on such servers;-) 21:55:15 <Ammler> signals on every 2. tile is needed for high traffic network 21:55:29 <fjb> No. :-) 21:55:43 <Ammler> well, you could also use around 10 lines parallel 21:55:51 <Ammler> do you like that more? 21:56:27 <fjb> You could use reasonably long trains. 21:56:46 <Ammler> still 21:57:03 <Ammler> you should play a coop game, then you know, it is needed :P 21:57:10 <fjb> And spread the traffic, not evrything to the same factory. 21:57:40 <Ammler> that is the same like mutliple lines 21:58:00 <Ammler> I don't like those p2p networks 21:58:07 <Ammler> or even not-networks. 21:58:23 <Ammler> just single lines everywhere... 21:58:47 <fjb> You don't have to do that either. You can spread traffic over a network. 21:59:01 <Ammler> yeah, of course. 21:59:20 <Ammler> well, long time ago, my last single game. 22:01:09 <Ammler> I should do that again was nice, as I had the server for tt-ms.de 22:01:20 *** Jupix [~jupix@dsl-lprbrasgw1-fee4df00-82.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:01:58 <Ammler> then I use mostly 4 tile gaps 22:03:01 <fjb> Oh, just doubled the lenght of the gaps. 22:03:04 <Aali> I can't so much look at a 3 tile signal gap without fixing it :/ 22:03:49 <Ammler> it's like a compromis :-) 22:04:01 <Aali> 2 tile gap is the only thing that looks "right" in my mind :P 22:04:15 <Brianetta> yuck 22:04:22 <Brianetta> I use long blocks 22:04:28 <Brianetta> My preset for dragging is 9 tiles 22:04:40 <Brianetta> sometimes they're even longer 22:05:53 *** Jupix [~jupix@dsl-lprbrasgw1-fee4df00-82.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 22:06:59 <Aali> Brianetta: isn't that just horribly inefficient though? 22:07:11 <Brianetta> Define horrible 22:07:14 <Brianetta> and we'll discuss 22:07:25 <fjb> That has the advantage that you don't have to worry about jams at bridges or tunnels. 22:07:33 <Brianetta> Long signal blocks let my trains really stretch their legs 22:07:45 <Brianetta> and I like to build realistic lines 22:07:53 <Aali> but you can't have as many trains 22:08:13 <fjb> Make the trains longer. 22:08:27 <Brianetta> I'm one of the few players who knows, to an integer value, how many trains his lines can handle. 22:09:09 <Brianetta> My play style is reserved and low key. My track work pleases me, and watching the trains on it keeps me entertained for hours. 22:09:15 <Aali> ah, see, there it is, i dont care much for realistic networks 22:09:18 <Brianetta> Also, my trains never get jammed. 22:09:27 <Brianetta> And by never, I mean, never. 22:10:05 <Brianetta> You should see the tight tricks I can accomplish without PBS 22:11:40 <Ammler> well, if I would use only 1-2 trains per line, I am sure, my network won't jam, too. :P 22:12:34 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has joined #openttd 22:12:40 <Ammler> hmm, need to check your save again, but I have in mind, it jams :-) 22:12:52 <Ammler> (the demo for Brianetta style) 22:12:57 <Brianetta> http://ppcis.org/standard/saves/0.6.2-2008-09-05.sav 22:13:11 <Brianetta> I'm company 6 (brown) 22:13:36 <Ammler> I have no pc which can run ottd currently :-( 22:13:57 <Aali> interesting 22:14:02 <Aali> i'll check it out 22:14:17 <Aali> nice 22:14:22 <Aali> that just crashed ottd 22:14:30 <Brianetta> I'm running my demo save in fast forward 22:14:42 <Brianetta> Let's see how quickly it jams, eh? 22:15:06 <Ammler> sometimes a train has to wait before he can enter a station 22:15:11 <Ammler> it 22:15:13 <Brianetta> Waiting is NATURAL 22:15:15 <Aali> Reason: !Disconnecting road vehicle. 22:15:17 <Brianetta> omg 22:15:21 <Brianetta> waiting at a red signal 22:15:22 <Aali> and i'm using 0.6.2 22:15:25 <Brianetta> what a catastrophe 22:15:38 <Brianetta> That's not a jam 22:15:40 <Aali> whats up with that? 22:15:44 <Ammler> lol 22:15:49 <Ammler> well never mind. 22:16:05 <Brianetta> a jam is where you train ultimately has to wait for itself, and requires user intervention 22:16:12 <Ammler> I know, my logic is different... 22:16:16 <Brianetta> I see it on my server all the time 22:16:31 <Brianetta> trains all waiting, jammed in deadlock, profit graph floored 22:16:42 <Brianetta> player eventually joins 22:16:42 <Aali> well, that savegame just wont load 22:16:50 <Brianetta> "oh crap, when did this happen?" 22:16:53 <Brianetta> "last night" 22:17:19 <Brianetta> Aali: You need the newgrfs is it's the one I pasted a URI to 22:17:20 <Ammler> Aali: maybe a issue with grfs 22:17:33 <Brianetta> http://ppcis.org/standard/grfs.zip 22:17:45 <Brianetta> Those are compatible, but you'll also need Blunck's ones 22:17:53 <Aali> you'd think it'd say missing grf or something, but okay 22:18:24 <Ammler> well, check the grfs, there could also be different versions. 22:18:39 <Brianetta> Ammler: Off-line, it'll load different versions 22:18:46 <Brianetta> assuming them to be compatible 22:18:52 <Ammler> that is the problem 22:18:58 <Aali> yep, works now 22:18:58 <Ammler> because of that, it can crash 22:19:03 <Chrill> Brianetta, I have finished the final touches of my scenario, also adding a new island 22:19:16 <Chrill> Any spanish-speaking person will giggle at several town names! :O 22:19:30 <Chrill> I believe I have also finished settings well 22:19:34 <Chrill> will go through it, then send to you 22:19:44 <Ammler> because some devs forget to change GRFID, if the GRF is not downwards compatible anymore 22:19:51 <Ammler> like ISR 22:20:21 <Brianetta> cool, Chrill 22:20:54 <Brianetta> Ammler: Each author only gets 10,000 IDs. 22:20:59 <Brianetta> They don't want to use them all up. 22:21:13 <Brianetta> oh wait, they're hex 22:21:20 <Brianetta> They only get 65,000 odd IDs 22:21:45 <Aali> Brianetta: looks kinda like my latest SP game, except i have 3x the number of trains on the same amount of tracks :P 22:21:47 <Ammler> well, the first 2 bytes should be used for coder "id" 22:21:58 <Ammler> the 3. is the GRF and the last the version 22:22:15 <Ammler> so a coder has 255 steps for his GRF 22:22:58 <Brianetta> Aali: Do your networks ever jam? 22:23:14 <Aali> it hasn't jammed yet, but then again its only 1963 22:24:30 <Aali> there is some potential for jams where two junctions are a little bit too close to each other 22:24:41 <Aali> fortunatly, one of them is low-traffic for now 22:25:16 *** Htx^Lapto [~harteex@84-217-100-185.tn.glocalnet.net] has quit [Quit: Bye] 22:25:57 <Ammler> well, that is really a bad thing of ISR, it isn't downwards compatible on every step, why is that so difficult 22:25:58 <Aali> i am playing with breakdowns, but with the realistic breakdowns patch, so that hasn't really caused me any trouble 22:29:53 <Nite_Owl> Do they not change the station ID's on every major release of ISR which is what breaks the compatibility with previous versions 22:45:30 <Brianetta> Is the wiki down? 22:47:25 <Nite_Owl> Main page is down too 22:50:41 <Ammler> Nite_Owl: yes, they do :-( 22:56:57 <fjb> They only change some IDs to save sprites. And ISR is still work in progress. 23:00:09 <Chrill> Brianetta, see your inbox tt-forums 23:02:05 <Brianetta> cool 23:02:10 <Brianetta> next game, etc 23:15:57 *** Sacro_ [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 23:16:13 *** Sacro_ [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:16:54 *** Chrill [~chrischri@c80-216-96-107.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [] 23:17:42 *** Wolf01|AWAY is now known as Wolf01 23:18:19 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:18:38 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5EC50.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 23:20:03 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 23:22:09 <Ammler> fjb: as it made other GRFs officially obsolete, you can say, it is final 23:22:20 <Ammler> and since version (0.6) 23:22:37 <Ammler> things now are "addons" 23:22:56 <Ammler> and should not break the save games anymore. 23:23:24 <fjb> Everything that is beta instead of alpha is a release? You should work for a software company. 23:23:35 <Ammler> heh? 23:24:19 <fjb> ISR is still under development. It is not complete even if it contains more than other grfs. 23:24:25 <Ammler> it replaced officially the harbour and and jcind or how that is called. 23:25:05 <Ammler> openttd is also still under development 23:25:20 <Ammler> but you can load older save games with trunk. 23:26:36 <fjb> Not every piece of software out there is fully backward compatible. That is even true for a major OS. 23:26:50 <Wolf01> With ISR you can too, but you should first manually convert all stations to the standard style 23:26:59 <fjb> And the harbour grf is very incomplete. 23:27:17 <Ammler> Wolf, I like the foobarway more 23:27:36 <Ammler> or wallyweb 23:27:50 <Wolf01> which is? new game? 23:28:03 <Ammler> no 23:28:10 <fjb> Maybe you prefer that way. But it is your choice to use ISR or not. And nobody forces you to always use the latest version of ISR. 23:28:32 <Ammler> just replace the tiles which have changed. 23:28:43 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-75-74-51-51.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has left #openttd [] 23:29:18 <fjb> Or still use the version you started the game with. 23:29:28 <Ammler> that is the way we use. 23:29:50 <Wolf01> I'll take less time to convert all the tiles to original stations and then back again with the new version, so I'll might build better layouts 23:29:56 <Ammler> ne need to keep every version because of that for our game archive. 23:30:24 <Ammler> I only know one other GRF which has this "issue": Moderntrams 23:30:52 <fjb> Moderntrams is hardly in alpha state. 23:31:20 <Ammler> well, don't take me wrong. 23:31:26 <fjb> be glad you get that that grfs. Other authers keep their grfs in private till they are perfect. 23:31:40 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:31:47 <Ammler> maybe it is really complicated to keep the sprites 23:32:03 <Wolf01> oh, I think I'll go to bed... night boys 23:32:12 <Ammler> night Wolf01 23:32:14 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host213-160-dynamic.56-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 23:32:27 <Ammler> fjb: indeed, that is of course better 23:32:31 <Ammler> :-) 23:33:07 <Ammler> but maybe they should have stopped release after 0.6 23:33:25 <Ammler> and the make the final release. 23:33:43 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad103c8.bb.sky.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:33:56 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad103c8.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 23:34:55 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 23:34:56 <fjb> You are free to stay with 0.6 as your final release. 23:35:12 <fjb> Or wait till 1.0 comes out. 23:35:17 <Ammler> :-P 23:35:32 <fjb> Nobody forces you to take every step. 23:35:39 <Ammler> then how can I stop others to use them with my saves? 23:37:49 <fjb> How are the others related to your saves? 23:37:57 <Ammler> and we somehow guaranteed the authors to use the newest grf. 23:38:54 <fjb> And that forces you to change the grfs in mid game? 23:39:03 <Ammler> no 23:39:14 <Ammler> we never change the pack on a running game 23:39:30 <Ammler> well, don't say never... 23:39:57 <Ammler> the problem is that it crashes the client if you load old games. 23:40:02 <fjb> So waht is your problem? 23:40:15 <Ammler> yes, there are poeple using our archive. 23:40:59 <Ammler> it not really a problem, but a glitch :-) 23:41:12 <fjb> OpenTTD will recognize that an older version is used in the game. 23:41:23 *** welshdra-gone is now known as welshdragon 23:41:32 <Ammler> and you have to trash the save 23:41:44 <Ammler> because the older grf is not available anymore 23:41:53 <Ammler> if we wouldn't keep those. 23:42:58 <fjb> And how would a different ID change that problem? 23:43:11 <Ammler> then the GRF would not load 23:43:19 <fjb> Using a different ID magically keeps the old grfs around forever? 23:43:23 <Ammler> it is like you would not have it in your data folder 23:43:47 <Ammler> why? 23:43:56 <fjb> And now the person loading the grf gets a warning that a grf changed. 23:44:04 <Ammler> you can also keep grfs with same id forever 23:44:18 <Ammler> no, not a warning 23:44:24 <Ammler> the client crashes 23:44:39 <Ammler> well, you can see it as warning, too. 23:44:43 <fjb> He can load the save and then manually correct the stations. With a changing ID the save would be completly useless. 23:45:15 <Ammler> but you have no idea which grf makes that crash 23:45:17 <fjb> When the client crashes that is a bug in OpenTTD. Loading a GRF should never crash OpenTTD. 23:45:41 <Ammler> :-) 23:46:26 <Ammler> well, hmm 23:46:31 <fjb> Thats like blaming the auther of a text for using an unexpected charset when your textprocessor crashes. 23:46:55 <Ammler> i guess, the client does automatically pause and gives a warning if you unpause 23:47:28 <fjb> OpenTTD interprets the code in the GRF. If the GRF crashes the interpreter then the interprter is buggy. 23:47:56 <Ammler> well, OpenTTD is also not 1.0 :-P 23:47:57 <fjb> So make an entry on flyspray about the crash. 23:48:31 <Ammler> we talked too long about that 23:48:32 <fjb> How do you expect OpenTTD to get fixed if you don't report the bug? 23:48:43 <Ammler> the glitch is not worth it. 23:48:59 <Ammler> OpenTTD don't have to fix it 23:49:12 <fjb> A crash of the client is no glitch, it is a bug. 23:49:16 <Ammler> ISR should just use another ID, if they vreak compatiblity 23:49:20 <Ammler> they did once 23:50:24 <fjb> And then the next grfs shows up that is not in a stable condition and changes without changing the ID. And you start to complain again. 23:50:44 <fjb> And you always have to use the latest and newest grfs ofcourse. 23:50:57 <Ammler> of course 23:51:25 <Ammler> sorry, but ISR is no beta anymore 23:51:37 <fjb> You decided that? 23:51:43 <Ammler> no they 23:51:50 <Ammler> I read that nowhere 23:53:02 <Ammler> :-D 23:53:10 <fjb> So a piece of software has a version number of 0.x and changes every few weeks and that is no hint to you that it is still under havy development and no stable release? 23:53:34 <Ammler> well, we should really stop it :-) 23:54:33 <fjb> Better for your arguments. 23:54:39 <Ammler> nah :P 23:54:52 <Ammler> we just have different opinions 23:55:04 <Ammler> I like ISR btw, too 23:55:34 <fjb> Did you ever talk to the ISR authors about changing the ID? 23:56:15 <Ammler> they changed it from 0.3 to 0.4 or 5 because of that reason 23:56:33 <fjb> And that was the same coder? 23:56:39 <Ammler> xes 23:56:53 <Ammler> maedhros did it until 0.3 23:57:42 <fjb> Complaining here changes nothing. Talk to the authors. Maybe they only need to get reminded about changing the ID. 23:59:04 <Ammler> well, I dd recognize it too late 23:59:08 <Ammler> with 0.7 23:59:50 <fjb> When changing from 0.6 to 0.7? As far as I know the incompatibility was well documented.