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More! More! More!] 05:40:31 <DaleStan> Belugas: And is that behaviour different if the industry is protected from being closed because it is the last one on the map? 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(maybe some thing evil changed your /etc/apt/apt.conf or whatever?) 09:17:54 <Volley> actually ... with "apt" you mean "apt-get", do you? 09:18:35 <petern> the default got change, i think 09:18:38 <petern> +d 09:19:30 *** Vikthor [~novotv6@pc404-62.feld.cvut.cz] has joined #openttd 09:25:19 <Celestar> petern: security _never_ matters 09:25:38 <Celestar> petern: neither does availability 09:26:03 <Celestar> when last I told my boss what I was up to to increase both, I got the reply "Don't do it, we're not a bank" 09:26:06 <Eddi|zuHause> "just focus on getting it working" 09:26:52 <Celestar> why is the world full of dilletants 09:26:56 <Eddi|zuHause> i've had such discussions also, until one of the admins actually did care for security ;) 09:27:06 <fjb> Even banks don't care for security... 09:27:33 <dih> fjb? 09:28:20 <fjb> Banks are spending far more money for advertising than for security. 09:28:41 <Eddi|zuHause> did you hear of that? just a few days ago, hundreds of bank terminals were offline due to one chewed up cable. that should never have happened 09:29:05 <Eddi|zuHause> how can one cable be single point of failure? 09:29:41 <dih> it's a direct link to the banks system? 09:30:05 <Eddi|zuHause> it was a power cable 09:30:06 <dih> it happened in the us some years ago that people would dig huge holes to get to networking cables and tap them 09:30:19 <dih> Eddi|zuHause: why dont you say so in the first place? :-P 09:31:50 <Eddi|zuHause> they said it was chewed up by a marten 09:34:04 *** ecke [~ecke@pc151-247.upce.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:39:42 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5adb1db3.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:53:48 *** [demi]Xerres [~Mewes@d-206-53-71-234.cpe.metrocast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:57:00 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@147.251.215.232] has joined #openttd 10:08:59 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 10:10:15 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B6EA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:16:17 *** welshdragon [~vista@adsl-83-100-138-245.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:16:38 *** ecke [~ecke@pc151-247.upce.cz] has joined #openttd 10:17:22 *** ecke [~ecke@pc151-247.upce.cz] has quit [] 10:23:23 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g228077098.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 10:28:46 *** NukeBuster [~NukeBuste@80.101.115.82] has joined #openttd 10:55:06 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@147.251.215.232] has quit [Quit: Quit] 10:58:51 *** Pikita [~sam@84.13.248.79] has joined #openttd 11:22:35 *** Dr_Jekyll [Dr_Jekyll@p57B0C537.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: http://www.lagerwiki.de - das Wiki rund um's Thema Lager und Logistik] 11:23:28 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@86.89.201.189] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 11:23:53 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 11:26:39 *** ecke [~ecke@pc151-247.upce.cz] has joined #openttd 11:28:37 *** Vikthor [~novotv6@pc404-62.feld.cvut.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:30:32 *** MapperOG [~MapperOG@p57B2FD90.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:32:45 *** Zorn [zorn@e177224124.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 11:32:45 *** ecke [~ecke@pc151-247.upce.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:33:11 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:33:13 *** ecke [~ecke@pc151-247.upce.cz] has joined #openttd 11:40:06 *** Zorni [zorn@e177231027.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:41:58 *** Vikthor [~novotv6@pc404-62.feld.cvut.cz] has joined #openttd 11:45:45 *** ecke [~ecke@pc151-247.upce.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:52:05 *** welshdragon [~vista@adsl-83-100-138-245.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 12:01:01 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm200.epsilon121.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 12:16:29 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 12:26:27 *** eQualizer [~lauri@87.94.117.196] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:29:51 <welshdragon> can timetables be used to keep 2 trains running the same route quite a distance away from each other? 12:31:07 <welshdragon> say one route, A to B has 2 trains, can train 1 depart at point B and train 2 depart from point A at the same time? 12:32:03 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-0-83-170.leed.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 12:34:09 <fjb> Yes. 12:34:53 *** eQualizer [~lauri@87.94.117.196] has joined #openttd 12:35:04 <welshdragon> hmm 12:35:29 <Progman> how? 12:36:30 <fjb> You have to start the second train when the first is departing from point B. 12:38:10 <welshdragon> hmm 12:38:17 *** ecke [~ecke@pc168-79.upce.cz] has joined #openttd 12:38:23 <welshdragon> but that does not use timetabling then 12:39:02 <petern> there are improvement patches for it 12:39:57 <welshdragon> but theya re not in 0.6.3 12:40:16 <petern> well no, they're patches ;) 12:40:21 <petern> not in 0.6.3 nor trunk 12:40:26 <Noldo> the good stuff is never stable 12:40:29 <petern> grrr, fucking freenode 12:41:10 <fjb> The timetable keeps the distance between the trains. You have to set the initial distance by starting the trains by hand. 12:41:31 <petern> even the so called 'realistic' one is not very easy to use 12:41:36 <Vikthor> Noldo: No, stuff you consider cool is not stable - there are many good things that are stable 12:42:02 <Vikthor> eg. YAPF, NewIndustries support etc 12:42:11 <Noldo> it's not an opinnion it's the definition 12:42:53 <Vikthor> so you are saying YAPF is not good because it's stable? 12:44:32 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-229-168.prem.tmns.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:44:50 <Noldo> yes 12:45:08 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-229-168.prem.tmns.net.au] has joined #openttd 12:45:58 <petern> freenode is good because it's unstable! 12:46:11 *** Fuco [dota.keys@wireless-254.fi.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 12:48:08 <TrueBrain> @kick Noldo it is not a kick, it is a unstable feature of IRC! 12:48:08 *** Noldo was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [it is not a kick, it is a unstable feature of IRC!] 12:48:32 <TrueBrain> now that is good stuff 12:48:50 <Rubidium> I guess he needs a better IRC client, like mibbit 12:49:01 <Rubidium> and a better ISP 12:49:17 <Vikthor> heh, anyway I am going to educate myself further 12:49:22 <Vikthor> bye for now 12:49:42 *** Vikthor [~novotv6@pc404-62.feld.cvut.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:02:07 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B6EA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:02:22 *** ecke [~ecke@pc168-79.upce.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:11:34 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B83C1F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:13:23 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B801BF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 13:13:25 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 13:16:50 *** thingwath [~thingwath@morana.sks2.muni.cz] has quit [Quit: It's all over.] 13:21:42 *** thingwath [~thingwath@morana.sks2.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 13:28:58 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 13:29:09 *** Euro_swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 13:29:59 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@resnet713.bournemouth.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 13:30:52 <Belugas> hello 13:31:16 <dih> hello Sir 13:31:30 <Belugas> DaleStan, i'll try to find the time to answer you tonigh. Why do you ask? Found a strange behaviour lately? 13:34:43 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:34:51 *** Euro_swallow is now known as Swallow 13:36:38 <Belugas> hello dih 13:36:56 <MapperOG> uhm, I think Noldo was just ironic and made a joke 13:37:32 <MapperOG> But, well tht was almost an hour ago 13:38:28 <Eddi|zuHause> so? is there a reason why jokes shouldn't be met with a kick? 13:39:14 <ln> he also misspelled a word before the kick. 13:41:26 <dih> + it was only a kick... nothing is stopping him from joining the channel again 13:42:27 *** Yexo_ is now known as Yexo 13:44:35 <MapperOG> Yup, I saw :) 13:51:01 <Swallow> Do all openttd source files use \r\n as end-of-line? 13:51:35 <Rubidium> depends on your subversion client 13:52:01 <dih> eol-style = native? 13:52:33 <Swallow> I'm using tortoiseSVN on winxp 13:54:13 *** `Fuco`OFF [dota.keys@wireless-254.fi.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 13:55:07 *** Fuco [dota.keys@wireless-254.fi.muni.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:58:43 <petern> Should do, if TortoiseSVN does the right thing. *cough* 13:59:41 <Swallow> It seems it does. 14:00:19 <Swallow> At least my home-made whitespace detector seems to work. 14:00:22 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B6EA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:00:47 *** dvo [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 14:04:47 <Belugas> we've got pre-commit hooks for that 14:04:51 <Belugas> pretty efficient :P 14:06:54 <MapperOG> Hm.. what has the SVN to offer? :D 14:11:42 <Belugas> a lot :) 14:14:36 *** fonso [~fonso@brln-d9bac48c.pool.mediaWays.net] has left #openttd [Kopete 0.12.7 : http://kopete.kde.org] 14:16:03 <FauxFaux> I do wish they'd make the official subversion at least remotely fast and actually capable of merging, so people stopped bitching so much. 14:16:20 <FauxFaux> Obviously these things aren't easy to do, though. :p 14:18:19 <Belugas> you are just asking for SVN to think for you, in other words :) because from our point of view, "merging" is somehting it can do quite well :) 14:18:44 <Belugas> but I think yoi mean merging patches, which is something totally different ;) 14:19:01 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-229-168.prem.tmns.net.au] has quit [] 14:19:28 <Belugas> and if people knew waht they were doing, it would make life easier for everyone 14:19:56 <Belugas> but no... I want this and i want that. ho fuck... it does not work ... ******CRIES***** 14:20:41 <FauxFaux> I can't remember what the git people go on and on about.. star merge? 14:20:56 * FauxFaux shrugs, I avoid it like the plague and it's fine. ¬_¬ 14:22:17 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r14444 /trunk/src/lang/unfinished/ (ido.txt persian.txt): -Add: stubs for two new languages: Persian (or Farsi) and Ido. 14:31:02 *** ecke [~ecke@pc149-120.upce.cz] has joined #openttd 14:40:39 *** Aylomen [~a@DSL01.83.171.188.135.ip-pool.NEFkom.net] has joined #openttd 14:50:16 *** ecke [~ecke@pc149-120.upce.cz] has quit [Quit: ecke] 14:54:02 *** Celestar [~Jadzia_Da@129.187.69.65] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:10:15 <murray> 14444 \o/ 15:15:26 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 15:19:14 *** Purno [~Purno@5350931D.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 15:19:44 <Eddi|zuHause> throw a party! 15:21:25 <Gekz> at night 15:21:52 *** Gekz 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16:57:53 <Belugas> the call back occurs in line 2069 (both callbacks, in fact) 16:58:04 *** Pikita [~sam@84.13.248.79] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:58:48 *** Pikita [~sam@84.13.158.82] has joined #openttd 17:03:18 <Belugas> now... about protected industries.. 17:03:22 * Belugas looks 17:08:48 <Belugas> looks it will not close, since the closure_level will not be set in this case 17:09:02 <Belugas> so yes, indusrty protected will keep on languishing :) 17:11:26 *** Yeggs-work is now known as Yeggstry 17:13:54 <DaleStan> OK. Check me here. If halving or decrementing is requested when prod_level is 4, a non-protected industry is closed. In all other circumstances, the requested action is performed and prod_level is clamped to 04..80. 17:22:32 <Belugas> i think so, yes 17:23:55 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm200.epsilon121.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:29:42 <Belugas> yeah, it looks pertty much like what yu described, DaleStan 17:30:30 <DaleStan> Then that's what I'll (hopefully) make Patch do. 17:32:53 <Belugas> nice :) 17:33:31 <Belugas> good ... luck? courage? work? skills? <pick correct one> 17:33:32 *** Joni_- [~Joni-@dsl-vsabrasgw1-ffa0c100-55.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.1 :: www.regroup-esports.com )] 17:33:43 *** Joni- [~Joni-@88.193.160.55] has joined #openttd 17:36:01 *** sulai [~Miranda@pD9512F83.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 17:37:32 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@147.251.215.232] has joined #openttd 17:44:05 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host213-160-dynamic.56-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 17:44:10 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r14445 /trunk/src/lang/ (spanish.txt ukrainian.txt unfinished/latvian.txt): 17:44:10 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2008-10-07 17:43:40 17:44:10 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: latvian - 2 fixed, 15 changed by v3rb0 (17) 17:44:10 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: spanish - 6 fixed by eusebio (6) 17:44:10 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: ukrainian - 6 fixed by mad (6) 17:44:43 *** [com]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has quit [Quit: Operator, give me an exit] 17:44:54 <Wolf01> hello 17:46:55 <ln> buongiorno 17:47:04 <Wolf01> buonasera :D 17:47:24 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B801BF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:47:50 <Belugas> hello Wolf01 17:48:28 <Wolf01> hello mister :D 17:49:19 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B82EA9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 17:49:21 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 17:52:05 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B82EA9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [] 17:52:35 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B82EA9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 17:52:38 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 17:53:51 *** fjb [~frank@p5485BC81.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 17:53:56 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.231.53] has joined #openttd 17:54:16 <ln> Wolf01: how does it feel that suddenly things didn't cost thousands of units anymore? 17:54:31 *** FR^2 [fr@oscar.frquadrat.de] has joined #openttd 17:54:47 <Wolf01> ?_? 17:56:39 <ln> ¿¯¿ 17:57:06 <Wolf01> :O 17:59:37 <Eddi|zuHause> Wolf01: he means that things now cost 10 euro instead of 20000 lira 18:00:17 <Eddi|zuHause> err, of course i mean 10 euro instead of 10000 lira :p 18:01:12 <Wolf01> oh yes... things cost the double, but we don't notice it so much 18:02:25 <Wolf01> the only problem is that we get the same salary as pre-⬠18:03:18 <frosch123> I guess the number of millionaires decreased drastically... 18:03:34 <Prof_Frink> If you want things that cost thousands of units, move to Zimbabwe. 18:05:24 <Wolf01> in Italy there is always the same number of millionaires (parliamentarians) 18:05:46 * Wolf01 :O<-food 18:17:25 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 18:28:24 *** mortal`` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 18:28:35 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@ip54534322.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 18:28:38 *** dvo [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:29:24 *** Eoin [Eoin@92-233-176-111.cable.ubr08.dund.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:29:30 <Eoin> Hi 18:29:47 <Eoin> Why dont i get a "group" option on the Train list window 18:30:05 <TrueBrain> hi Eoin 18:30:34 <Eoin> hi TrueBrain :P 18:31:28 <Eoin> Any idea? 18:31:42 <Belugas> no idea of what you are talking aobut 18:32:29 <Eoin> The "grouping" option 18:32:39 <Eoin> when you can add train x to a group 18:32:43 <Eoin> then another train to it 18:32:43 *** mortal`` is now known as mortal 18:33:12 <ln> mortal: what is the constant of integration? 18:33:19 <mortal> C 18:33:27 <mortal> why do you ask? 18:33:30 <Belugas> ok, i see. but what is it that you think that should be there? 18:33:40 <ln> mortal: you just integrated yourself twice without a constant. 18:33:45 <Eoin> as it is there for welshdragon 18:33:46 <Eoin> :P 18:33:47 <mortal> oh damn 18:33:52 <mortal> yeah I keep forgetting 18:34:22 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@g227025177.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 18:34:34 <TrueBrain> what version do you use? 18:34:37 <Eoin> 0.6.3 18:34:43 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B82EA9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:34:48 <Eoin> i thought it was only in nightlies, but he says otherwise 18:35:33 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:36:35 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@g227025177.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [] 18:36:36 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B82AF6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 18:36:37 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 18:37:40 <TrueBrain> but then again,w hat does he know? 18:38:20 <Eoin> he is looking at it right now :P 18:38:48 <welshdragon> TrueBrain, i have a screenie 18:39:03 <welshdragon> i'm just uploading it to ftp 18:40:14 <welshdragon> http://welshdragon.headweb.co.uk/openttd.png 18:41:41 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g228077098.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:42:18 <Eoin> http://www.easytohide.info/imagehost/images/0sa1iogzgu5at7eaxdzd.jpg 18:43:00 *** welshdragon [~vista@adsl-83-100-138-245.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:43:45 <Rubidium> Eoin: there's an option somewhere that makes it use the "old" window 18:43:48 *** welshdragon [~vista@adsl-83-100-138-245.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 18:43:54 <Eoin> Any idea where? 18:44:46 <Eoin> found it 18:44:47 <Eoin> thanks :P 18:46:24 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r14446 /trunk/src/station_cmd.cpp: -Fix [FS#2330]: when a road stop gets moved make sure to update the destination of RVs going to that road stop. 18:53:28 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-75-74-51-51.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 18:57:35 *** sulai [~Miranda@pD9512F83.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 18:59:50 *** Volley [~worf@84-119-54-39.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:10:10 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B6EA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:17:11 <TrueBrain> lalalaa 19:17:28 <Rubidium> pompiedm 19:17:54 <TrueBrain> minus the typo, good job ;) 19:18:55 <Rubidium> what typo? ;) 19:19:19 <TrueBrain> missing a 'o' :( 19:20:33 * SmatZ fails to fine that missing 'o' :( 19:20:39 <SmatZ> brb 19:20:43 <SmatZ> *find.... 19:20:45 <SmatZ> :-x 19:20:57 <TrueBrain> the correct reply is: pompiedom 19:21:00 <TrueBrain> not what ever he said 19:21:18 <Rubidium> *only* when you say tralalala 19:22:12 <TrueBrain> no: lalala 19:22:13 <TrueBrain> not the 't' 19:22:15 <TrueBrain> sigh .. 19:28:01 <Eddi|zuHause> sometimes you guys creep me out... 19:28:26 <Belugas> you're too straight, Eddi|zuHause... 19:28:31 <Belugas> perfectly normal to me :) 19:29:46 *** Purno [~Purno@5350931D.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:30:30 *** Eoin [Eoin@92-233-176-111.cable.ubr08.dund.blueyonder.co.uk] has left #openttd [] 19:30:59 <Eddi|zuHause> well, it's not like the conversation itself is odd enough, but it is not even the first time this exact same conversation occured 19:32:46 *** Zealotus [~Ping@78-69-54-150-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:33:49 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: and they still do it wrong :) 19:34:21 *** Mark [~M4rk@5ED06875.cable.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:36:14 *** Zealotus [~Ping@78-69-54-150-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 19:36:53 * Belugas remembers one time, when petern and i were talking, on another channel, glx asked me if I was drunk, since the converstation was very strange for him. So... let say we all have our moments ^)^ 19:39:51 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:40:38 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 19:43:38 <petern> Hello 19:44:29 *** Muxy [~Benoit@smtp.bdelalande.net] has quit [Quit: Kopete 0.12.5 : http://kopete.kde.org] 19:58:59 *** Netsplit synthon.oftc.net <-> oxygen.oftc.net quits: DaleStan, Ridayah 19:59:04 *** Netsplit over, joins: DaleStan, Ridayah 19:59:06 *** Netsplit synthon.oftc.net <-> magnet.oftc.net quits: Kommer, tneo, welterde, Osai 19:59:07 *** fonso [~fonso@brln-d9bacf0e.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 19:59:17 *** Netsplit over, joins: Kommer, welterde, tneo, Osai 20:01:28 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-159-114.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 20:06:47 <TrueBrain> hi petern 20:06:49 <TrueBrain> you are up late :p 20:07:00 <petern> 9pm! 20:13:35 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: michi_cc * r14447 /trunk/src/lang/ (english.txt english_US.txt): -Change [FS#2333]: Rename YAPP "advanced signals" to "path signals" and "normal signals" to "block signals". 20:17:08 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.231.53] has quit [Quit: ecke] 20:17:32 <petern> boo 20:17:40 *** Mark [~M4rk@5ED06875.cable.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 20:17:48 <TrueBrain> wow, you scared me there 20:19:44 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 20:20:50 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a46ad5.virnxx14.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 20:21:48 <planetmaker> nice, michi_cc :) 20:22:44 <ln> ¿donde esta el Bjarni? 20:23:32 <Bjarni> I'm right here 20:23:55 <Bjarni> but write something in Spanish again and you will be really fucked 20:23:58 <Bjarni> and not in the good way 20:24:54 <ln> i.e. by you? 20:25:06 <Eddi|zuHause> don't you miss some accent there? 20:25:07 <ln> not interested, sorry 20:25:16 <ln> possibly. 20:25:38 <Rubidium> Bjarni: right amigo ;) 20:25:39 <ln> está 20:26:07 <Bjarni> ln: did you see my message to you about gigabit half duplex the other night? 20:26:15 <Bjarni> or did you leave before reading it? 20:26:23 <ln> Bjarni: i never leave. 20:26:26 <ln> i saw it. 20:26:30 <Bjarni> ok 20:26:32 <Bjarni> good :) 20:26:41 <ln> 02:14 <@Bjarni> <ln> Bjarni: is there even such thing as 1 Gbit half duplex? no? <-- if I recall correctly, there is support for it in IEEE. However I have yet to see 1 Gbit hardware that lacks support for full duplex 20:27:31 * SmatZ hasn't seen a 1Gbit hardware with half-duplex support :) 20:27:31 <Bjarni> the bad thing about this is that it will really add a huge amount of padding bytes if it's running in half duplex 20:27:48 <Bjarni> because in half duplex the duration of a package has a minimum 20:29:38 <TrueBrain> what is wrong with gigabit in half duplex? 20:29:44 <Eddi|zuHause> por cierto, estoy en casa. 20:30:20 <Eddi|zuHause> i do urgently have to improve my spanish... 20:31:30 <TrueBrain> me 2 ... as what I understood, you just called me a pig :( 20:31:33 <Bjarni> TrueBrain: well in half duplex you risk having a conflict. In order to be able to detect that you have to transmit for a minimum time period (which is the time it takes to get from you to the far point in the network and back again + a little extra). If you make shorter packages than this then you risk that two computers transmit at the same time without detecting it 20:32:11 <Bjarni> so the standard adds NULL bytes at the end of a package if it's transmitted too fast in order to meet the minimum time requirement 20:32:17 <TrueBrain> only in ring networks 20:32:22 <TrueBrain> and BNC died a long time ago :) 20:32:37 <TrueBrain> but fair enough, fibers do still have timing issues 20:32:39 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: and networks with hubs 20:33:10 <Bjarni> we are talking about IEEE standard for half duplex gigabit. It's mentioned earlier that I don't know anywhere where it's actually in use but the standard is there ;) 20:33:35 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: kind of, but fair enough: yes :) 20:34:02 <ln> Eddi|zuHause: por español práctico, evitar las islas canarias. 20:34:06 <TrueBrain> and why wouldn't it? 20:34:47 <SmatZ> http://paste.openttd.org/120678 man ethtool doesn't seem to know 1gbit half duplex 20:35:16 <SmatZ> "not supported by IEEE standards" 20:35:18 <TrueBrain> hehe 20:35:24 <TrueBrain> it knows it, just not by IEEE :p 20:35:31 <Eddi|zuHause> sure... but i can't go to any spanish sounding country without having to take my mother with me... she jumps every opportunity to go there 20:37:33 <Wolf01> 'night 20:37:38 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host213-160-dynamic.56-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 20:37:44 <TrueBrain> night Wolf01 20:37:48 <TrueBrain> (yes, in time again :)) 20:38:04 <SmatZ> :) 20:39:03 <ln> Eddi|zuHause: (some) mailboxes on las islas canarias have two holes, labeled "Deutschland" and "other destinations". 20:39:50 <Eddi|zuHause> well, whatever fits best the logistic needs :p 20:40:35 <ln> more than half of the tourists are germans, you can order food in german anywhere... 20:40:51 <Eddi|zuHause> well, did you try? ;) 20:41:02 <ln> if a car has an EU license plate other than 'E', it's 'D'. 20:41:26 <ln> Eddi|zuHause: nope, i used swedish and finnish. :) 20:41:40 *** MapperOG [~MapperOG@p57B2E682.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:41:41 <Eddi|zuHause> who would visit the canares and bring his own car? 20:42:09 <ln> some people, apparently. probably staying for longer than a week. 20:44:46 <Bjarni> <Eddi|zuHause> who would visit the canares and bring his own car? <-- for the same reason as people visit Iceland and bring their own car 20:45:01 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590feb29.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:45:01 <Bjarni> knowing the rural roads in Iceland, I would never bring my own car ;) 20:45:21 * Rubidium wouldn't go to Iceland right now anyways 20:45:30 <Bjarni> why not? 20:45:39 <Bjarni> their currency just dropped to half price 20:45:39 <TrueBrain> hmm .. ice 20:45:51 <Rubidium> Bjarni: some issues with acquiring money 20:45:53 <Bjarni> meaning prices could be rather cheap right now 20:46:21 <Bjarni> <Rubidium> Bjarni: some issues with acquiring money <-- now that's a good reason not to go anywhere 20:46:27 <Rubidium> Bjarni: fine it's cheap, but when there's no bank to withdraw money you can't buy anything 20:46:28 <Bjarni> except to your parents :P 20:46:47 <ln> Rubidium: err... you have mixed Iceland and Zimbabwe. 20:46:56 <Bjarni> there are banks in Iceland 20:47:01 *** mode/#openttd [+v Belugas] by ChanServ 20:47:13 <TrueBrain> yeah, with a nice view over the water 20:47:31 <Bjarni> it's just that to avoid bankruptcy the state took over a number of banks 20:47:33 <Bjarni> today 20:47:54 <Bjarni> but I think you can still walk up to them and withdraw money 20:48:03 <ln> yeah, i don't see how that would affect a regular tourist in any way. 20:48:03 <Rubidium> Bjarni: and too many people already have withdrawn cash money from their accounts 20:48:11 <Rubidium> ergo... ATM is empty 20:48:19 <Bjarni> you could have a problem selling your Icelandic money for other currencies though 20:48:54 <ln> who uses cash anyway 20:49:02 <Bjarni> me 20:49:30 <Bjarni> well I guess you can do with a visa more or less everywhere in Iceland 20:49:57 <Rubidium> ghehe... I've learned not to trust such assumptions 20:50:04 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: there is a very easy solution to that problem, just print more money :p 20:50:14 <ln> i use maybe 20 euros cash per month. 20:50:22 <ln> max 20:50:39 <Eddi|zuHause> i use more than that 20:50:56 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: ofcourse, but... they most likely reached the limit of what they can print in a day already 20:50:58 <Eddi|zuHause> you have to pay cash in most small shops... like the baker, or the döner 20:51:50 <Eddi|zuHause> germans love cash, especially big coins ;) 20:52:28 <ln> Eddi|zuHause: over here, a shop needs to be incredibly small for it not to accept at least the national "bank card". the baker and the equivalent of döners most certainly accept card. 20:52:34 <Eddi|zuHause> in the beginning of the last century, the banks had to give out welcoming presents in order to get the people to use paper money instead of coins 20:52:45 <Eddi|zuHause> and cheques never were really widespread in germany 20:53:55 <ln> i want a 2-euro bank note, the coins are too big and heavy. 20:55:08 *** eQualizer|dada [~lauri@dyn196-117.spy.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 20:55:16 <Eddi|zuHause> there are funny stories about italian people who think coins are worthless, and don't realize that a 2⬠coin is actually worth a lot ;) 20:56:10 <Rubidium> now imagine you were paid with Lira coins 20:56:34 *** fonso [~fonso@brln-d9bacf0e.pool.mediaWays.net] has left #openttd [Kopete 0.12.7 : http://kopete.kde.org] 20:56:35 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0.3/2008092417]] 20:56:37 <Bjarni> http://www.exchange-rates.org/Chart.aspx?iso_code=ISK&base_iso_code=EUR&mode=G&filter=30 <-- value of Icelandic kr during the last 30 days 20:57:07 *** eQualizer [~lauri@87.94.117.196] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:57:26 <Eddi|zuHause> there were times where the copper in lira coins was worth more than the coin itself, so the japanese collected as many italian coins as they could get :p 20:57:53 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r14448 /trunk/src/ (7 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange [FS#2328]: rename a few variables (based on a patch by planetmaker) 20:58:12 <Bjarni> at one time the Swedish 1 kr coin contained more than 1 kr worth of silver. They discovered this because the whole country suffered from lack of 1 kr coins 20:58:15 <planetmaker> woooh :) 20:58:35 <Bjarni> somebody collected all of them and melted them down and extracted the silver 20:58:44 <Bjarni> they earned 0,1 kr for each coin 20:59:01 <Eddi|zuHause> that could as well be a huge patchkiller commit, with such a specific commit message :p 20:59:04 <SmatZ> :-) 20:59:42 *** mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: [FATAL] Client error: Memory leak - More RAM needed. More! More! More!] 20:59:47 <Bjarni> it goes without saying that Sweden decided not to have silver in the 1 kr coins anymore :D 21:00:05 <ln> the one lat of Latvia is a not-very-interesting-looking, pretty small coin, but worth about 1.5 euros.. easy for tourists to tip people with a bunch of such without thinking how valuable they actually are. 21:01:15 <ln> and probably the general impression is that the value of money in former soviet countries is low. (estonia: 15.24 kr = 1 â¬) 21:02:21 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:02:24 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 21:02:42 <Bjarni> I wouldn't consider it "low" 21:03:02 <ln> hehe, must be close to danish krona. ;) 21:03:11 <Bjarni> I have known for a while that Baltic kr is worth like half the value of Danish kr 21:03:41 <ln> "Baltic kr"? 21:03:51 <Bjarni> well.. kr from that region :P 21:03:58 <Bjarni> I couldn't remember the specific country 21:04:11 <ln> exactly one of them has kr. 21:04:18 <Bjarni> ok 21:04:22 *** Aylomen [~a@DSL01.83.171.188.135.ip-pool.NEFkom.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:04:28 <Bjarni> you learn something new every day :) 21:06:15 <Belugas> ho fuck 21:06:16 <Belugas> good night! 21:07:05 <TrueBrain> Belugas: too much detail, but enjoy 21:07:10 <Eddi|zuHause> don't you find it amazing that so many totally different countries have so similarly named currencies? 21:07:14 *** Dr_Jekyll [Dr_Jekyll@p57B0EE20.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:08:21 <ln> yeah. not much innovation. 21:09:00 <Bjarni> Eddi|zuHause: not really 21:09:19 <Bjarni> if you understood history then it would be perfectly natural 21:09:30 <Bjarni> ages ago 1 kr = 1 kr 21:09:44 <ln> Bjarni: estonia has krooni, latvia has lats, lithuania has litas. 21:10:16 <Eddi|zuHause> well, then tell me how the czech kr is connected to the icelandic kr 21:10:19 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5D9F2.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 21:10:25 <Bjarni> so inflation killed the idea of calling the currencies the same 21:10:44 <Bjarni> Iceland was a part of Denmark until WW2 21:10:55 <Eddi|zuHause> but czechia was not... 21:11:16 <Bjarni> while Denmark was full of Germans Iceland decided to declare themselves independent. Denmark could do nothing about it 21:11:26 <ln> haha 21:11:38 <Bjarni> it went downhilll for Iceland and they had a huge inflation 21:11:44 <Eddi|zuHause> well, that's your own fault i'd say :p 21:12:44 <ln> i'm still not sure if denmark has or had an army. 21:13:00 <Bjarni> Iceland never had an army 21:13:01 <ln> like in the 20th century. 21:13:10 <Vikthor> Eddi|zuHause: There is no Czech kr, it's KÄ :p 21:13:14 <Bjarni> Denmark has an army 21:13:23 <Bjarni> it wasn't strong enough to keep the Germans out though 21:13:34 <ln> was there serious effort? 21:13:41 <Eddi|zuHause> Vikthor: and what does the k and the Ä stand for? 21:13:52 <Vikthor> Koruna Äeská 21:13:56 <Bjarni> <ln> was there serious effort? <-- yeah... for a few hours 21:14:01 <Eddi|zuHause> see? 21:14:09 <Vikthor> Yeah 21:14:12 <Bjarni> then a troop transport reached Copenhagen and it was over 21:15:02 <Bjarni> anyway kr is the Danish currency and Iceland decided to keep kr as currency 21:15:08 <ln> Bjarni: though gotta say the norwegians didn't try either. how stupid is that? 21:16:27 <Bjarni> Norway and Sweden use kr as well since Denmark, Norway and Sweden are the countries originally introducing the kr 21:17:38 <Bjarni> Estonia has kr too.... I bet they had that for hundred of years 21:17:46 <Bjarni> but I don't know the history behind it 21:18:10 <Bjarni> for all I know the whole Baltic area used kr and only Estonia keep using it 21:18:20 <ln> norway has like excellent geographical features for defense war, but did they even try? 21:18:29 <SmatZ> Bjarni: iceland has its own currency? 21:18:34 <Bjarni> lol 21:18:45 <Eddi|zuHause> SmatZ: HAD :p 21:19:01 <SmatZ> ok :) 21:19:08 <Bjarni> SmatZ: it's not uncommon for countries to make their own currency after declaring themselves independent 21:19:13 <Bjarni> they still have 21:19:52 <SmatZ> ..... ok ignore me 21:19:58 <SmatZ> mistaken iceland for greenland ... 21:20:21 <Bjarni> the price of a Danish kr in ISK just moved from a stable 11,5 to 19,6 in a few days 21:21:08 <Bjarni> <SmatZ> mistaken iceland for greenland ... <-- now that was rather stupid :P 21:21:24 * SpComb wonders how long Bjarni has been playing EVE Online for 21:21:52 <Bjarni> I think Greenland would want a currency of it's own but as long as Denmark sends money to Greenland they aren't going to get it 21:21:59 <Bjarni> EVE Online? 21:22:02 <Bjarni> what's what? 21:22:28 <Bjarni> all I know about it is that it's some sort of online game 21:23:49 <SpComb> their currency is called ISK 21:24:01 <Bjarni> heh 21:24:28 <Bjarni> how should I know? :) 21:28:14 <ln> Bjarni: does the danish army think there's anything they can do the next time germans approach? 21:28:57 <MapperOG> ? Godwins law :D 21:30:07 <Bjarni> I don't think the risk of a new German attack is present 21:30:12 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-0-83-170.leed.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 21:30:21 <ln> ergo the army has no purpose 21:30:30 <Bjarni> not true 21:31:32 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm sure they have 5 people in afghanistan or something to have a "purpose" :p 21:31:33 <Bjarni> it's in Bosnia, Iraq (well, not anymore if I recall correctly), Afghanistan and there is a corvette chasing pirates around Somalia 21:31:55 *** FR^2 [fr@oscar.frquadrat.de] has quit [Quit: Connection reset by caffein depletion...] 21:32:30 <Bjarni> Eddi|zuHause: it's more like 1000 people 21:32:35 <Bjarni> I think 21:32:37 <Bjarni> hmm 21:32:43 *** Zeal [~Ping@78-69-54-150-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 21:32:49 * Bjarni tries to figure out how many soldiers we have elsewhere 21:36:09 <ln> zero and counting... 21:37:02 *** Zealotus [~Ping@78-69-54-150-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:37:13 <Bjarni> I learned something 21:37:29 <Bjarni> the list isn't firefox or safari friendly 21:37:31 <Sacro> we have an Amiga 500 :D 21:37:40 <Bjarni> Sacro: I can beat that 21:37:42 <Bjarni> I have two 21:38:10 <ln> Bjarni: what kind of an assault rifle does a danish soldier carry? 21:38:46 <Bjarni> *CLASSIFIED* 21:39:10 *** trainboy2004 [~trainboy2@cp734887-a.gelen1.lb.home.nl] has joined #openttd 21:40:19 <ln> Bjarni: have you ever tried shooting with a machine gun? 21:40:25 <Eddi|zuHause> i have ;) 21:41:05 <ln> good 21:41:19 <Nite_Owl> I still have several Commodore 64's 21:41:39 <ln> Eddi|zuHause: have you thrown a hand grenade? 21:41:47 <Eddi|zuHause> no real one 21:42:08 <ln> i have... 21:42:36 <Eddi|zuHause> i also have fired a not-real panzerfaust 21:43:21 <SmatZ> [23:40:26] <Eddi|zuHause> i have ;) <== is that possible in Germany? aren't you forbidden even to have airsoft guns? 21:43:35 <Eddi|zuHause> not when you serve in the army ;) 21:45:15 <SmatZ> ahh :) 21:45:30 <planetmaker> aiming with a machine gun is a bit tricky... 21:45:51 <ln> is not 21:45:58 <Eddi|zuHause> the first shot is fine, but all the others go wildly beyond the target :p 21:46:00 <planetmaker> for the first shot: yes. 21:46:04 <SmatZ> :-D 21:47:32 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@resnet713.bournemouth.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 21:48:15 <ln> i hit a man-size target which was like 600 meters away. 21:48:35 <planetmaker> ln: with the first shot, agreed, no problem. 21:49:43 <Eddi|zuHause> we did not shoot that distance with machine guns... we shot 25m on targets that were downsized as if they were 300m or something 21:49:55 <ln> errr.. most finnish banks and forex have stopped exchanging iceland kronor today. 21:50:13 <planetmaker> me, too, Eddi|zuHause, but I guess it's feasable. 21:50:34 <Eddi|zuHause> the shooting range was like 400m long 21:51:03 <planetmaker> hehe. And we were out of ammunition when it was to be my turn to train shooting in the night... :P 21:51:22 <Eddi|zuHause> we shot 25m on man sized targets with hand guns 21:51:38 <Eddi|zuHause> and 300m with rifles 21:51:44 *** trainboy2004 [~trainboy2@cp734887-a.gelen1.lb.home.nl] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 21:51:54 <planetmaker> yeah, something like that :) Seems to be standard procedure. 21:53:03 <Eddi|zuHause> we also did rifles on 25m with quickly getting the rifle up and aiming 21:57:27 <ln> also 100% fire-resistant firewood for the Kamin is worth mentioning. 21:57:42 <planetmaker> eh...? 21:59:09 <ln> you know, wood that you stick in to the Kamin with the intention of producing heat. 22:00:57 <ln> but if the wood doesn't burn, no heat is generated. 22:01:13 *** Yeggstry is now known as Yeggzzz 22:01:17 *** Yeggzzz [~mind@cpc1-rdng14-0-0-cust946.winn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [] 22:01:27 <ln> possible reasons include: 1) the wood is soaking wet. end of list. 22:01:31 <Eddi|zuHause> i'd order the same thing you are smoking... 22:06:01 <ln> ok, perhaps the Kamin has not been invented in central europe yet. 22:06:48 <Eddi|zuHause> yes. brand new, they installed it just last week 22:07:39 <ln> in the tent? 22:08:02 <Brianetta> tent (: 22:08:07 <Brianetta> I was in a tent a week ago 22:13:18 *** MapperOG [~MapperOG@p57B2E682.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:19:27 *** Sacro_ [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 22:21:27 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:21:46 <Bjarni> with Helen? 22:21:52 <Bjarni> must have been interesting 22:22:21 <ln> ... what kind of a comment is that then 22:25:55 <Bjarni> <ln> possible reasons include: 1) the wood is soaking wet. end of list. <-- actually I know another reason. I was told about an incident where a house was sprayed with some fire resistant stuff to prevent it from burning and the wood was hit as well. They had to throw it out and get new one as it was impossible to burn 22:25:59 *** Sacro_ [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 22:26:36 *** ben_ [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 22:26:56 *** ben_ is now known as Sacro 22:27:17 *** NukeBuster [~NukeBuste@80.101.115.82] has quit [Quit: http://www.interplay.com/] 22:49:01 <Nite_Owl> Later all - need to feed 22:49:04 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-75-74-51-51.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has left #openttd [] 22:59:16 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@ip54534322.speed.planet.nl] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 23:01:19 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@ip54534322.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 23:02:36 <Eddi|zuHause> what does a nite owl feed on? small rodents? 23:06:58 *** mikegrb [~michael@mikegrb.netrep.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:09:16 *** mikegrb [~michael@mikegrb.netrep.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 23:09:40 *** mikegrb [~michael@mikegrb.netrep.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:10:30 *** mikegrb [~michael@mikegrb.netrep.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 23:10:48 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:10:51 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:15:49 *** mikegrb [~michael@mikegrb.netrep.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:21:16 *** mikegrb [~michael@mail.thegrebs.com] has joined #openttd 23:23:01 *** mikegrb [~michael@mail.thegrebs.com] has quit [] 23:23:22 *** DeeDee [~DeeDee@p549DAA0A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 23:23:36 *** mikegrb [~michael@mikegrb.netrep.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 23:29:07 *** DeeDee [~DeeDee@p549DAA0A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!]