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let me start differently 07:15:00 <dih> when i start openttd (graphically) 07:15:13 <dih> change a setting and run saveconfig on the console 07:15:27 <dih> changes are written to the config file as expected 07:16:02 <dih> however, changing a setting in a running game and deciding one would like to save that, and one runs saveconfig on the consoel, it does not save the settings from the game 07:16:48 <dih> esp on a dedicated server this is a bain up the rear end 07:17:06 <dih> when someone changes a setting on the dedicated server console and would like to save that to the file 07:17:17 <dih> running saveconfig has absolutely no effect 07:22:01 <Celestar> morning 07:25:36 <dih> good morning Celestar 07:26:21 <petern> afaik, saveconfig just causes the start up config to be saved, it does not cause the running config to be copied to the start up config, and then saved 07:26:47 *** taytay [~tcohen@linagoraberri.pck.nerim.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:27:18 *** taytay [~tcohen@linagoraberri.pck.nerim.net] has joined #openttd 07:27:39 <petern> (heh, cisco terminology, but it works) 07:29:25 <dih> petern: that would mean that if i am in the main menu und run patch max_trains 0 and then saveconfig that the config file would still hold 500 07:29:40 <dih> or das the change have an influence on the 'startup config'? 07:30:39 <dih> eitherway, esp. on a dedicated server it would be of help if saveconfig saved the config of the running game 07:31:30 <dih> or if it was triggered with a flag to the console command saveconfig 07:33:56 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: glx * r14512 /branches/noai/src/ai/api/ (ai_rail.cpp ai_rail.hpp.sq): [NoAI] -Fix (r14511): wrong args passed to AIObject::DoCommand() and don't forget to run squirrel_export.sh (Yexo) 07:34:47 * Celestar burps 07:36:59 * dih pats Celestar on the back 07:37:04 <Celestar> :P 07:37:24 <Celestar> note to self: copying 350GB onto a 120GB partition is stupid 07:37:36 <dih> LOL 07:37:48 <dih> you ninkompoop 07:38:26 <dih> petern: e.g. i ban someone and need to restart the server, the ban is gone! 07:40:14 <dih> very not what someone wants :-P 07:41:03 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: translators * r14513 /trunk/src/lang/ (6 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) 07:41:03 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2008-10-22 17:26:32 07:41:03 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: czech - 6 fixed by Hadez (6) 07:41:03 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: indonesian - 121 fixed by dnaftali (120), Admin (1) 07:41:04 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: italian - 1 changed by lorenzodv (1) 07:41:04 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: korean - 15 changed by dlunch (15) 07:41:06 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: latvian - 20 fixed by v3rb0 (20) 07:42:34 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 07:44:46 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: smatz * r14514 /trunk/src/ (7 files in 2 dirs): 07:44:46 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: -Codechange: use 'size' instead of 'length' for querystring and textbuf, explicitly say it includes the terminating zero 07:44:46 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: -Fix: one couldn't rename things with too long default/automatic name 07:44:46 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: -Fix: buffer overflow in console when too long (1024 bytes) command was entered 07:45:06 <dih> ban 41.245.130.8 07:45:07 <dih> ERROR: Invalid client 07:45:10 <dih> wtf? 07:45:19 <dih> it should add the ip to the banlist! 07:45:29 <dih> it only works when the client is actually in the game? 07:46:58 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: rubidium * r14515 /trunk/config.lib: -Fix (r7759): iconv is included in glibc-2.1 and higher, so we don't need to link to a most likely non-existing libiconv in those situations. 07:47:02 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: rubidium * r14516 /trunk/src/gfx.cpp: -Fix: determine the default text direction based on the language file instead of hardcoding one. 07:47:20 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: rubidium * r14517 /trunk/src/network/network_gui.cpp: -Feature: arrow key scrolling in the server list (Roujin) 07:47:24 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: smatz * r14518 /trunk/src/ (os2.cpp win32.cpp): -Fix (r14514): forgot win32 and OS/2 files (glx) 07:50:20 <dih> Rubidium: r14516 <- NICE 07:52:39 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: rubidium * r14519 /trunk/findversion.sh: -Fix [FS#2376]: do not use the short hash form for getting a specific mercurial/git revision as those can collide quite easily causing reversion detection to fail (PhilSophus) 07:52:48 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: glx * r14520 /branches/noai/ (23 files in 6 dirs): [NoAI] -Sync: with trunk r14497:14519 07:53:54 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: glx * r14521 /trunk/src/train_cmd.cpp: -Fix [FS#2378]: fast trains could continue to move after a crash 07:56:19 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has joined #openttd 07:57:15 *** lolman [~John@adsl-87-102-80-68.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:57:50 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: glx * r14522 /trunk/projects/determineversion.vbs: -Fix: apply r14519 to determineversion.vbs. Also properly set 'modified' for hg and git (was always 1). 07:58:40 <planetmaker> g'day 08:01:38 *** eMJay [~michael@58.175.181.122] has joined #openttd 08:03:23 <dih> hello planetmaker 08:03:33 <Celestar> hey planetmaker 08:03:36 <Celestar> how are the planets? 08:04:16 <planetmaker> they're wandering their realms - as they've done fore eons and as they'll do fore eons once even the age of men is long past :P 08:04:29 <planetmaker> heya dih, heya Celestar :) 08:05:04 <planetmaker> actually... weather makes them elude me :) 08:06:39 <Celestar> I'd like to do some astrophysics now :( 08:13:52 <eMJay> quick question, why is there no classes in the ottd code? 08:14:08 <eMJay> i should say, why /are/ there no classes... 08:14:18 <petern> i should say, what code are you looking at? 08:14:36 <eMJay> the trunk code... 08:14:41 <petern> clearly not 08:14:47 <eMJay> looks like all structs to me 08:15:02 <petern> structs and classes. is that a problem? 08:16:23 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has quit [Quit: ecke] 08:16:48 <eMJay> you'll have to forgive me, I'm reasonably new to C++ (I've learned and used mainly Java and C#) but aren't classes typically easier to understand? 08:17:56 <petern> in c++, structs and classes are the same 08:18:14 <petern> almost 08:18:27 <petern> structs default to public 08:18:27 <eMJay> structs just don't have methods, correct? 08:18:38 <petern> no 08:19:02 <Celestar> eMJay: nope 08:19:13 <petern> as in, not correct ;) 08:19:19 <Celestar> eMJay: diffence between structs and classes is that classes default to private and structs default to public 08:20:07 <eMJay> ok cool 08:20:50 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad00e98.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:20:56 <dih> why do i not find any console in the openttd code? 08:21:00 <Rubidium> I wonder why you want to make a list of all classes? 08:21:03 <dih> i find IConsole, but that is not the same is it? 08:24:40 *** Mortal [~mortal@217.61.144.15] has joined #openttd 08:25:15 <Celestar> dih: ? 08:25:22 <Celestar> Rubidium: doxygen will provide already a lot of classes 08:26:02 <Rubidium> Celestar: that's why I'm wondering why eMJay wants to make a list of classes (see wiki) 08:26:49 <petern> presumably to try to understand stuff 08:27:15 <Rubidium> Celestar: you should sync cargodest (people having problems with issues already fixed in trunk) 08:29:49 <petern> hmm, only one conflict in railtypes 08:29:57 <petern> last synced in september 08:32:51 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-26-69-27.bmly.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 08:36:47 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 08:39:59 <Celestar> Rubidium: ok 08:40:05 <eMJay> I'm using the wiki as a sortof scribbling pad to understand the structure of the code 08:40:29 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat3.arachne.cz] has joined #openttd 08:40:42 <eMJay> I want to have a go at putting together a FIFO signals patch, but not really sure where to begin 08:41:24 <Celestar> gnah 08:41:37 <Celestar> I've somehow misplaced the URL I need to push to :P 08:42:56 <planetmaker> [10:40] <eMJay> I want to have a go at putting together a FIFO signals patch, but not really sure where to begin <--- why yet another kind of signals? 08:44:05 <eMJay> not another kind of signal, a modification to the current kind 08:44:16 <Celestar> :S 08:45:12 <eMJay> FS #2158 is one that I opened, but there are others in a similar vein 08:45:47 <Celestar> Rubidium: done 08:45:50 <Celestar> (= 08:45:56 <eMJay> basically, at an intersection with many entrances, the train that was waiting the longest should be the one to proceed first when the signal goes green 08:46:25 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.195.207] has joined #openttd 08:49:03 <blathijs> eMJay: didn't that happen already before? I seem to remember a waiting time being kept per train, but I'm not so sure 08:49:35 *** scarabeus [~quassel@88.103.16.210] has joined #openttd 08:50:01 <eMJay> I don't beleive it does, r14508 doesn't... 08:51:41 <dih> 10:25 <@Celestar> dih: ? <- i was mocking eMJay 08:53:15 <dih> blathijs: that's with pbs 08:53:27 <dih> afaik 08:55:48 <petern> blathijs: the waiting time was for turning around, not priority 08:56:08 <dih> ah - and that 08:56:42 <dih> eMJay: you can create a FIFO system with using logic gates :-D 08:57:53 <eMJay> well, yes. 08:58:05 <eMJay> but technically, you could build almost anything with logic gates 08:58:16 <dih> yep 08:58:18 <Celestar> what the HELL is wrong with my server 08:58:20 <Celestar> Device: rrqm/s wrqm/s r/s w/s rsec/s wsec/s rkB/s wkB/s avgrq-sz avgqu-sz await svctm %util 08:58:23 <Celestar> sda 0.40 0.00 128.80 121.40 2531.20 1190.00 1265.60 595.00 14.87 7.41 34.80 4.00 100.00 08:58:42 <dih> heh 08:58:46 <blathijs> petern: Ah, you're right 08:58:51 <Celestar> dih: it's not funny 08:58:57 <dih> sure it's not 08:59:01 <Gekz> it needs an rm -rf / 08:59:03 <Gekz> that'll fix her 08:59:04 <Gekz> ! 08:59:05 <eMJay> Celestar: what are you serving? 08:59:06 <Celestar> doing ls on a directory on the server takes up to 15 seconds 08:59:17 <Celestar> eMJay: departmental /homes :) 08:59:21 <dih> eMJay: a FIFO signal system would only be of interest if it was switchable 08:59:25 <dih> and not just for the game 08:59:38 <dih> Celestar: free? 08:59:41 <eMJay> dih, how do you mean switchable? 08:59:47 <Celestar> dih: what do you mean? 08:59:49 <eMJay> as in, you could turn off FIFO behaviour? 08:59:54 <dih> type free! 09:00:04 <Celestar> ]# free -m total used free shared buffers cached 09:00:04 <Celestar> Mem: 3903 3881 21 0 0 3224 09:00:04 <Celestar> -/+ buffers/cache: 656 3246 09:00:06 <dih> eMJay: why would i want every signal block to use a FIFO system 09:00:36 <dih> Celestar: there is some echo <number> /proc/<somehwere> you can do to free up some mem 09:00:48 <Celestar> dih: why do I need to free mem? 09:00:56 <eMJay> because it would lead to more even utilisation of the signal block by all the entrances of that block 09:00:57 <Celestar> it's all cache anyway 09:00:57 <petern> there's loads of free mem there 09:01:03 <dih> sometimes a linux system can mem odd stuff that you dont need anymore 09:01:22 <Celestar> I have an I/O problem, not a mem problem, have I not? 09:01:57 <eMJay> for i in `ps aux`; do killall $i; 09:02:17 <petern> all the linux experts are here today 09:02:18 <Celestar> I can't do these experiments on a production server :P 09:02:21 <eMJay> hahaha 09:02:37 <Celestar> otherwise people will siege my office in no time 09:02:48 <eMJay> dih: why wouldn't you want FIFO signal blocks? 09:02:59 <eMJay> priority i assume? 09:03:15 <petern> priority, performance... 09:03:16 <dih> eMJay: i like more controll over my priority 09:03:30 <eMJay> isn't that done with presignals? 09:03:32 <petern> some people might want to keep exsting behaviour 09:04:28 <dih> eMJay: i.e. 2 lanes, 1 with prio 09:04:48 <dih> prio line always gets prio over the other line 09:04:59 <Celestar> disk I/O is WAAAAAY to high 09:05:31 <dih> expect if there is a bunch of trains waiting at the prio line so that the queue too far back, then the odd train from the 2nd lane may go 09:06:36 <Brianetta> priority should be governed by train orders. 09:06:39 <blathijs> What is the current behaviour anyway? You can't set priority, or can you? 09:07:02 <blathijs> Isn't it currently the train with the lowest ID that gets to go first or something? 09:07:09 <Brianetta> blathijs: Yes. 09:07:19 <Brianetta> That's if they're all actually waiting. 09:07:38 <eMJay> I thought it was more like, whichever the game tries to move first 09:07:43 <eMJay> after the light goes green 09:08:15 <eMJay> eg trains 1 and 3 are waiting for train 2 to clear a signal block 09:08:16 <blathijs> Yeah, so probably lowest id first I think 09:08:20 <petern> nope 09:08:26 <petern> depends which train gets to move first 09:08:32 <eMJay> train 1 tries to move, but can't 09:08:38 <eMJay> train 2 moves and clears the block 09:08:40 <petern> so generally the most powerful train 09:08:45 <eMJay> train 3 moves into the block 09:08:52 <blathijs> petern: Trains are sorted by speed, or what/ 09:08:57 <petern> no sorting 09:08:59 <eMJay> thus, in this case train 3 is higher prio 09:09:21 <petern> just a lower power train won't be able to move quickly enough 09:09:39 <eMJay> how far away from the boundary of the sigblock do trains stop? 09:10:44 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.195.207] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:15:34 <eMJay> Ok, so at the moment, a signal block with regular signals and two equal trains waiting will allow a (semi) random train to go first 09:16:09 <eMJay> with non-equal trains, the train with higher acceleration will tend to go first, but it is still (semi) random 09:16:44 *** petern [~petern@84.246.155.74] has quit [Quit: rebooting] 09:17:01 <dih> nooooooo 09:18:13 <eMJay> no? 09:25:29 <dih> no! 09:28:24 *** apo_ [~apo@pD9E7C67B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:31:31 *** petern [~petern@84.246.155.74] has joined #openttd 09:31:32 *** mode/#openttd [+o petern] by ChanServ 09:32:39 *** apo [~apo@pD9E7D866.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:37:14 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 09:39:48 <petern> $ free 09:39:49 <petern> total used free shared buffers cached 09:39:49 <petern> Mem: 4091844 58652 4033192 0 4200 26752 09:39:49 <petern> -/+ buffers/cache: 27700 4064144 09:39:50 <petern> heh 09:39:56 <petern> freeboots :o 09:41:21 *** Aali_ is now known as Aali 09:50:19 <dih> for some reason my comp will not use the last GB of memory i have 09:50:23 <dih> it's not even shown... :-( 09:50:30 <dih> perhaps i need to flash my bios 09:50:42 <dih> it's only using 3 of the 4 09:50:44 <dih> :-( 09:50:56 <Celestar> dih: even on a 64-bit kernel? 09:51:03 <dih> oh.... 09:51:15 <dih> have not tried the 64 bit 09:51:24 <petern> my 4GB works with a 32 bit kernel 09:51:33 <Celestar> petern: is that with PAE? 09:51:38 <dih> my bios does not even look at more than 3 09:51:54 <petern> yeah 09:52:05 <petern> has to be :) 09:52:28 <Celestar> it doesn't :P 09:52:33 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g227023224.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 09:52:33 <Celestar> but then you only see 2GB 09:56:53 *** Mortal [~mortal@217.61.144.15] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:57:20 <eMJay> dih: windows xp? 09:58:09 <Celestar> Windows XP can address more than 2GB? 09:59:11 <FauxFaux> Define address? Basically, yes, it's 4gb - reserved. 09:59:21 <Celestar> sunno 09:59:23 <Celestar> dunno* 09:59:29 <Celestar> I haven't touched Windows installations in years 09:59:43 <eMJay> winxp can do up to about 3Gb 09:59:53 <eMJay> despite 32bit being technically able to address 4gb 10:00:05 <Celestar> eMJay: well that includes kernel address space 10:00:18 <Celestar> somewhere the Video memory and other crap needs to reside 10:00:26 <FauxFaux> It can do exactly 4gb, but some stuff (like the graphics memory) is mapped into the address space, which meanr you'se likely to only see 3-3.5gb. 10:00:50 <FauxFaux> To be honest, if you're running a 32-bit os you deserve everything you get. :p 10:01:00 <Celestar> s/32-bit os/windows/ 10:02:18 <Celestar> /dev/evms/lvm2/td/home 8.1T 7.9T 255G 97% /nfs/home 10:02:25 <Celestar> this just sucks 10:02:53 <blathijs> I seem to be using all of my 4GB mem on my 32 bit linux just fine, it seems: 10:02:54 <blathijs> total used free shared buffers cached 10:02:54 <blathijs> Mem: 3863 3827 35 0 573 2873 10:02:54 <blathijs> -/+ buffers/cache: 380 3483 10:02:56 <Rubidium> Celestar: rm -rf /nfs/home & 10:03:13 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad4568a.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 10:03:53 <Celestar> blathijs: using a PAE kernel as well I presume? 10:04:25 * petern is running a 32 bit OS due to have 32 bit CPUs... 10:04:39 * Brianetta too 10:04:40 <Celestar> my laptop is 32 bit as well 10:04:44 <Celestar> but only has 2GB or RAM 10:04:47 <petern> *having 10:04:52 <Celestar> so it's ok 10:04:54 <Brianetta> All my hardware is 32 bit. Helen has a 64 bit box. 10:04:58 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-111-36.fttx.bbned.nl] has joined #openttd 10:05:05 <Celestar> my laptop == all my hardware 10:05:06 <Celestar> (= 10:05:11 <Brianetta> She's running a 32 bit OS, though 10:05:18 <Brianetta> makes update management and caching easier. 10:05:20 <blathijs> Celestar: If "HIGHMEM4G" is PAE, then yes 10:05:27 <Celestar> blathijs: basically yes afaik 10:05:41 <Celestar> apart from my workstation which is 64-bit, but then again has 16GB RAM 10:05:48 <Celestar> er 8 GB. plus 8 swap :P 10:08:17 <blathijs> sick :-) 10:09:05 *** yorick [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 10:09:11 <Celestar> blathijs: if you have to dig through datasets in the terabytes size, this is sickly small, yes (= 10:09:40 <blathijs> hehe 10:09:45 <yorick> Celestar: has the cargodest bug with pressing the routing button while being spectator been fixed? 10:10:08 <yorick> on the smallmap, I mean 10:10:51 <Celestar> yorick: can't remember, will test tomorrow 10:11:11 <dih> 11:57 < eMJay> dih: windows xp? <- why on earth would i do that? 10:11:52 <Celestar> maybe you're a masochist? 10:12:32 <dih> hehe 10:12:42 *** HentaiXP [~kvirc@adsl-070-145-037-249.sip.aby.bellsouth.net] has joined #openttd 10:12:42 <dih> i have an amd 64 10:12:48 <Celestar> my fragmentation of the XFS driver in question is 31% :o 10:12:51 <dih> and debian lenny 32bit 10:13:23 <Celestar> OpenSUSE 10.3, 11.0 and 11.1b3 here 10:13:33 <dih> Celestar: boot up a windows system, install an xfs driver, run defrag :-D 10:13:43 <Celestar> dih: xfs has a defrag tool :D 10:13:47 <HentaiXP> is the skyos sources for openttd in suversion? 10:13:50 <dih> Celestar: i have personal aversion to SuSE 10:14:00 <Celestar> M$ is waaaaay to incompetent to make an XFS driver 10:14:04 <Celestar> apparently 10:14:12 <petern> what is skyos? 10:14:14 <dih> HentaiXP: openttd does not use 'suversion' 10:14:20 <petern> and what is suversion? 10:14:27 <Celestar> dih: the reason being? 10:14:37 <HentaiXP> is the skyos sources for openttd in subversion? 10:14:42 <HentaiXP> www.skyos.org 10:14:47 <petern> you said that 10:14:59 <dih> Celestar: more packages, less issues with certain app's 10:15:06 <petern> oh 10:15:07 <petern> well 10:15:18 <dih> + i need to dev for a 32bit conference server :-) 10:15:20 <petern> never heard of skyos, so assume not 10:15:48 <HentaiXP> yes I corrected it. 10:16:26 <TrueBrain> wow, 0.6.3 ebuild was accepted in portage ... 10:16:29 <Celestar> I'm out hunting some food 10:16:34 <Celestar> TrueBrain: it was :D 10:17:47 <dih> yay 10:17:49 <dih> happy days 10:17:54 <dih> enjoy your meal TrueBrain 10:19:43 <scarabeus> TrueBrain: could tell ya but i was not sure that you are around ;] 10:20:34 <TrueBrain> scarabeus: today, I am :) 10:20:39 <scarabeus> :] 10:20:40 <dih> scarabeus: as soon as you see a TrueBrain nick in the names list, you can chat to him :-P 10:20:47 <TrueBrain> too bad the hard mask is not removed .. 10:20:51 <scarabeus> i know i know 10:21:31 <roboboy> hello 10:21:43 <TrueBrain> and dih, it was Celestar who was getting a meal :p 10:21:57 *** Joni_- [~Joni-@88.193.160.55] has joined #openttd 10:21:59 *** Joni- [~Joni-@dsl-vsabrasgw1-ffa0c100-55.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:22:45 <scarabeus> TrueBrain: btw i think that for that 7.0 we can prepare suprise in giving them opensourced datafiles 10:22:50 <scarabeus> i think pple will be happy 10:22:54 <dih> Celestar: enjoy your meal :-P 10:22:57 *** Joni_- [~Joni-@88.193.160.55] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:22:59 <Celestar> tx :P 10:23:04 <dih> TrueBrain: yeah - i just like talking with ya 10:23:18 <TrueBrain> scarabeus: that project is not done yet 10:23:19 <dih> scarabeus: it will take YEARS for 7.0 10:23:23 <TrueBrain> dih: I know :) 10:23:28 <dih> :-) 10:23:28 <scarabeus> ok than 7.4 10:23:31 <scarabeus> 6.4 10:23:42 <dih> 6.4 will also take YEARS 10:23:42 <scarabeus> i dont mind what your release is named :] 10:23:47 <scarabeus> ow 10:23:47 <dih> 0.7 ? 10:23:52 <scarabeus> i dont write first zero 10:23:53 <dih> :-D 10:23:59 <scarabeus> and today i even dont write the dot 10:24:00 <dih> well it makes a different 10:24:04 <scarabeus> so suprise suprise 10:24:08 <dih> .7% != 7% 10:24:14 <TrueBrain> dih: you know damn well what he means :) 10:24:16 *** Joni- [~Joni-@dsl-vsabrasgw1-ffa0c100-55.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 10:24:20 <dih> TrueBrain: yep :-D 10:24:36 <dih> it's just been so long since someone last did that 10:24:38 <dih> :-P 10:24:45 * dih pats scarabeus on the head :-D 10:24:48 <scarabeus> :] 10:24:58 <Rubidium> oh, so scarabeus thinks he's very cool for using windows 31 when windows 7 is not released yet 10:25:18 <dih> :-P 10:25:36 <dih> Rubidium: windows 311 even 10:25:44 *** ecke [~ecke@pc168-108.upce.cz] has joined #openttd 10:26:07 <scarabeus> nah i just use vista ;] 10:26:12 <scarabeus> and turn aero on 10:26:13 <scarabeus> :D 10:26:45 <dih> YUCK 10:27:37 <scarabeus> actualy i kinda like that system, because i was forced to rewrite some tools which were only for windows so i can use them on linux 10:27:38 <scarabeus> :D 10:30:43 <Celestar> life. sucks. 10:31:07 *** M4rk [~M4rk@5ED06875.cable.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 10:31:11 *** M4rk is now known as Mark 10:32:37 *** ecke [~ecke@pc168-108.upce.cz] has quit [Quit: ecke] 10:34:08 <scarabeus> i will try to convince robat if he would take that mask away or limit it 10:34:44 *** Mortal [~mortal@217.61.144.15] has joined #openttd 10:35:53 <scarabeus> but i am not sure what time it is now in canada... :] 10:36:04 <Rubidium> HentaiXP: I can't even find a skyos port of openttd, only uncited openttd supports skyos stuff 10:36:21 <HentaiXP> such I thought so Rubidium thank you 10:36:48 <TrueBrain> scarabeus: it would benice if it would be removed :) Oh well .. time will remove it anyway, I guess :) 10:37:12 <scarabeus> actualy on monday i will get the rights to do it myself i guess 10:37:17 <scarabeus> but i am lazy to wait 10:37:27 <TrueBrain> hehe 10:37:29 <TrueBrain> aren't we all ;) 10:38:50 *** ecke [~ecke@pc168-108.upce.cz] has joined #openttd 10:41:27 <yorick> hmm, the packet header is little endian? 10:42:40 <yorick> 18 00 20 <-- that's size 24, packet #32, right? 10:42:42 <blathijs> Isn't everything just in network-order (BE IIRC) 10:42:53 <yorick> blathijs: see ^ 10:43:13 <blathijs> yorick: I think you're looking at big-endian there 10:43:22 <blathijs> not sure, though 10:43:33 <yorick> 18 00 in big-endian makes 24? 10:44:03 <petern> little endian 10:44:46 <petern> a packet size of 9216 bytes makes no sense 10:44:50 *** welshdragon [~vista@adsl-83-100-138-245.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 10:45:02 <SpComb> yes it does! 10:45:14 <yorick> SpComb: no it doesn't 10:45:20 * petern fragments SpComb 10:45:52 <yorick> simply because 24 bytes later, there's another perfectly valid packet 10:46:36 <SpComb> petern: length headers in UDP packets don't make any sense 10:46:49 <yorick> ^^ 10:47:03 <SpComb> UDP packets already have a defined length 10:47:07 <TrueBrain> blathijs: OpenTTD is (I know, stupid), LE in its network protocol (independant of host endian) 10:47:20 <blathijs> yorick: This does seem to be little-endian indeed, I was confused 10:47:27 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks1.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 10:47:41 <blathijs> TrueBrain: Interesting :-) 10:47:49 <yorick> TrueBrain: "So the byte order is ALWAYS 1 2 3 4" <-- doesn't that mean big-endian? 10:48:07 <blathijs> TrueBrain: That's probably because all the endian stuff was introduced when we had only little-endian support 10:48:09 <TrueBrain> blathijs: more a design error when I was writing that .. I never considered using network-endian :p 10:48:32 <TrueBrain> void Packet::Send_uint32(uint32 data) 10:48:36 <TrueBrain> { 10:48:40 <TrueBrain> assert(this->size < sizeof(this->buffer) - sizeof(data)); 10:48:44 <TrueBrain> this->buffer[this->size++] = GB(data, 0, 8); 10:48:44 <TrueBrain> this->buffer[this->size++] = GB(data, 8, 8); 10:48:44 <TrueBrain> this->buffer[this->size++] = GB(data, 16, 8); 10:48:44 <TrueBrain> this->buffer[this->size++] = GB(data, 24, 8); 10:48:45 <TrueBrain> yorick: you do the math 10:49:05 <TrueBrain> blathijs: no, BE/LE handling was there even before I started working on OpenTTD 10:49:11 <TrueBrain> so that makes .. 0.3.3 or something? 10:49:31 <blathijs> TrueBrain: But I guess we were already supporting OSX then? 10:49:32 <yorick> oh, you name the bytes from right-to-left 10:50:55 <blathijs> TrueBrain: I just meant that originally there was only little-endian support, so the network protocol was naturally little-endian. And you probably took that over (What's the proper english translation for that?) 10:51:27 <yorick> borrowed? 10:51:31 <SpComb> #define GB 10:51:49 <TrueBrain> blathijs: not really ;) There was both LE and BE, but ingame most things are converted to LE .. the reason I took LE, was because I wasn't thinking, and just wrote those Send_uint32 in the first way I came across :) 10:51:53 <blathijs> GetBit(value, start_bit, end_bit) 10:52:01 <blathijs> TrueBrain: :-) 10:52:06 <TrueBrain> which happens to be i & 0xFF, (i >> 8) & 0xFF, ... 10:52:20 <TrueBrain> there wasn't really any reason for it .. ;) 10:52:57 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat3.arachne.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:54:12 <blathijs> It should be easy to switch to BE, but it really doesn't matter at all :-) 10:54:36 <TrueBrain> nobody cares, I guess :) 10:54:49 <yorick> I do... 10:54:52 <TrueBrain> I know I don't :) 10:55:04 <TrueBrain> jus tpeople like yorick get confused .. and seem not to be able to think 10:55:33 <yorick> your explanation of the endianness on the wiki is confusing and lacks an example 10:55:39 * yorick goes writing example 10:55:59 <TrueBrain> then don't use the wiki :) 10:57:54 <roboboy> gnight 10:58:05 *** ecke [~ecke@pc168-108.upce.cz] has quit [Quit: ecke] 10:58:06 <yorick> good morning 11:00:35 *** questionmark [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 11:02:01 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 11:04:52 *** ecke [~ecke@pc168-108.upce.cz] has joined #openttd 11:05:00 <petern> endianness is a pretty simple concept 11:05:33 *** supersum [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 11:07:26 *** yorick [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:09:14 *** questionmark is now known as Guest63 11:09:15 *** supersum is now known as questionmark 11:09:45 *** questionmark is now known as yorick 11:11:26 *** Guest63 [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:12:39 *** LapBeur [~Beurlap@ip5455b69c.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 11:16:55 *** LapBeur [~Beurlap@ip5455b69c.speed.planet.nl] has quit [] 11:17:27 *** FloSoft [~sifldoer@g229065061.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 11:17:38 <FloSoft> hi, how can i enable to use stations of other companys? 11:18:17 <ln> you can't, not with the official version. 11:18:26 <FloSoft> hmm 11:18:42 <FloSoft> why not? ;) 11:19:46 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks1.muni.cz] has quit [Quit: Quit] 11:20:41 <ln> because. 11:21:29 *** Mortal [~mortal@217.61.144.15] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:22:06 <dih> FloSoft: search the forums for Infrastructure Sharing 11:22:09 <dih> it's a patch 11:22:22 <dih> the server and all connecting clients must use this build 11:22:31 <dih> else it will not work ;-) 11:23:26 <FloSoft> ah okay 11:37:10 *** welshdragon [~vista@adsl-83-100-138-245.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:44:56 *** Aylomen [~a@DSL01.83.171.165.141.ip-pool.NEFkom.net] has joined #openttd 11:56:35 *** Yeggzzz is now known as Yeggs-coding 11:56:36 *** Yeggs-coding is now known as Yeggs-work 11:57:39 *** welshdragon [~vista@adsl-83-100-138-245.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 11:57:52 *** thvdburgt [~thvdburgt@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has joined #openttd 12:11:30 *** ecke_ [~ecke@195.113.128.254] has joined #openttd 12:12:53 *** ecke [~ecke@pc168-108.upce.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:23:08 *** scarabeus [~quassel@88.103.16.210] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:33:40 *** NukeBuster [~NukeBuste@80.101.115.82] has joined #openttd 12:34:04 *** eMJay [~michael@58.175.181.122] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:34:47 *** ecke [~ecke@pc155-174.upce.cz] has joined #openttd 12:39:32 *** ecke_ [~ecke@195.113.128.254] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:40:58 *** ecke_ [~ecke@pc126-216.upce.cz] has joined #openttd 12:45:51 *** ecke [~ecke@pc155-174.upce.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:52:21 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B83014.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:54:19 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B8096E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 12:54:19 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 13:01:57 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-115-208.prem.tmns.net.au] has joined #openttd 13:04:22 *** Metalcore [~evanseeds@r59h83.res.gatech.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:12:56 <Belugas> blup 13:13:23 <TrueBrain> you are a fish? 13:13:30 <Belugas> no 13:13:33 <Belugas> a dolphin 13:13:39 <TrueBrain> sad 13:13:51 <TrueBrain> oeh 13:13:53 <Belugas> a fish doe snot produce bubbles, you FalseBrain! 13:13:54 <TrueBrain> I like dolphins 13:14:12 <Celestar> FalseBrain ..lol 13:14:27 <TrueBrain> :) 13:14:40 * Belugas hugs TrueBrain 13:14:46 <Belugas> Mida2008 13:14:48 * TrueBrain hugs Belugas 13:15:04 <Belugas> mmh 13:15:12 <TrueBrain> wrong window 13:15:17 <Belugas> yup 13:15:33 <TrueBrain> the sad thing is .. not your first time ;) 13:16:07 <Belugas> and unless i quit IRC, it will happen again... 13:16:10 <Belugas> sign that i 13:16:14 * Brianetta tries to figure out which person was replaced by a PyBorg 13:16:16 <Belugas> m devoted to the casue! 13:16:26 <Brianetta> I suspect that it's the pair of you 13:16:27 <Belugas> cause 13:18:06 <TrueBrain> Brianetta: the fact you are wondering about it, makes us pass the tuning test 13:18:07 <TrueBrain> whoho! 13:18:41 *** ecke_ [~ecke@pc126-216.upce.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:19:03 <Brianetta> TrueBrain: Not quite. The fact that I am wondering about it means that you are *sitting* a Turing test. 13:19:23 <Brianetta> No pressure. 13:19:25 <TrueBrain> fair enough 13:19:27 <TrueBrain> let me know when you know 13:19:40 <Brianetta> Belugas is the machine. 13:19:45 <TrueBrain> auch 13:19:56 *** ecke [~ecke@pc126-216.upce.cz] has joined #openttd 13:24:28 <Belugas> me? a machine? 13:24:34 <Belugas> strange... 13:25:58 <Brianetta> Well, in a properly set up Turing test, one of the participants must be machine. It's the machine that's being tested. 13:26:24 <Brianetta> If you're not the machine, Belugas, then TrueBrain passed the Turing test. If you are, then you failed it. 13:26:37 *** TrogDoor [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-229-160.prem.tmns.net.au] has joined #openttd 13:26:45 <yorick> so a properly set up TUring test never fails? 13:27:00 <Brianetta> yorick: Never fails to what? 13:27:15 <yorick> the subject is always a machine 13:27:16 *** apo [~apo@pD9E7DB24.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:27:41 <Brianetta> yorick: The Turing test is a test intended for a machine, yes. 13:27:56 <Brianetta> Do you know how the test is applied? 13:28:43 <yorick> but isn't the whole point of the tast that you want to know whether the subject is a machine? 13:28:47 <Brianetta> No. 13:29:19 <Brianetta> The whole point of the Turing test is to measure whether or not an AI is deemed intelligent. 13:29:47 <Brianetta> The test consists of a number of conversations. 13:30:06 <Brianetta> Participants converse with a machine and a human, via similar means (usually text based). 13:30:22 <Brianetta> The human at the other end converses back, and the machine does likewise. 13:30:28 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-115-208.prem.tmns.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:30:31 *** TrogDoor is now known as Doorslammer 13:30:49 <Brianetta> If 30% or more of the participants cannot successfully say which of the conversations was with a machine, then the machine has passed the Turing test. 13:31:08 <yorick> oh, that kind of Turingtest 13:31:14 <Brianetta> There is only one kind. 13:31:19 <Brianetta> Alan Turing devised it. 13:31:38 <Brianetta> That's why it bears his name. 13:31:43 <Brianetta> Other tests aren't the Turing test. 13:32:24 <yorick> reverse Turing test 13:32:52 <Brianetta> You're going to have to be much more specific. 13:33:35 *** apo_ [~apo@pD9E7C67B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:33:40 <yorick> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_Turing_test 13:33:52 <Brianetta> Yes. 13:33:54 <Brianetta> "The term reverse Turing test has no single clear definition" 13:33:58 <Brianetta> You're going to have to be much more specific. 13:34:48 <TrueBrain> Brianetta: so I passed the turing test .. YEAH! 13:34:51 * TrueBrain celebrates 13:34:56 <TrueBrain> (I have proof Belugas is not a bot ;)) 13:35:11 <Brianetta> TrueBrain: This does mean that you were the computer, though (: 13:35:32 <TrueBrain> yup 13:36:52 <yorick> Brianetta: machine testing humans 13:37:04 <yorick> to see if they're human 13:37:11 <Brianetta> Captchas etc? 13:37:15 <Brianetta> Not a Turing test. 13:37:23 <Brianetta> Just using the name. 13:37:37 <TrueBrain> not even remotely :) 13:37:45 <Brianetta> Poor Alan Turing. He was too gay to get recognition while he was alive. 13:38:15 *** KillaloT [~killalot@0x5738ccd5.rdnqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 13:38:22 <petern> one of my colleagues met alan turing, back in the 80s 13:38:54 <Brianetta> petern: He died in the 50s 13:38:56 <petern> quite 13:39:13 <yorick> Brainetta: so did his colleagues? 13:39:16 * Brianetta tries to parse what petern said in a different way 13:39:17 <Doorslammer> Ah, the real Dr Who 13:39:41 <petern> this colleague knows jack shit and tries to blag his way through 13:39:44 <Brianetta> yorick: You're making less sense than babyottd 13:39:53 <Brianetta> petern: Ah (: 13:39:58 <TrueBrain> Brianetta: wie immer 13:39:59 <petern> obviously when i pointed out he was dead then, he stumbled a bit... 13:40:55 <Brianetta> TrueBrain: doch (: 13:44:13 <Belugas> the test operator failed wonderfully since he did not understood that both entities were real humans 13:44:17 <Belugas> crap :P 13:45:13 <Gekz> did not understand* 13:45:23 <Gekz> bad past tense user 13:45:24 <Gekz> :P 13:45:32 * Celestar yawns 13:47:30 *** ecke [~ecke@pc126-216.upce.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:48:41 <Belugas> i'm getting tense... 13:49:31 <Gekz> lol. 13:49:34 <Gekz> punny 13:50:47 * Celestar doesn't understand what's going on 13:53:09 * Belugas does not either 13:53:39 <yorick> he did not understood --> he did not understand ;) 13:53:55 <TrueBrain> @kban yorick 60 stop doing that, it is annoying 13:53:56 *** mode/#openttd [+b *!~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] by DorpsGek 13:53:56 *** yorick was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [stop doing that, it is annoying] 13:54:03 <TrueBrain> I wonder if he would ever understand 13:54:13 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 13:54:55 <TrueBrain> I guess I should kick Gekz too, but I like Gekz :p 13:54:56 *** mode/#openttd [-b *!~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] by DorpsGek 13:54:56 <TrueBrain> (hehe) 13:55:02 <Gekz> oi 13:55:05 <Gekz> I was doing you a favour 13:55:11 <Gekz> extending your skill in English 13:55:13 <Gekz> not being a wanker. 13:55:23 <TrueBrain> Gekz: well, currently in my opinion you are a wanker :) 13:55:29 <Gekz> I like it when people correct my French or German 13:55:29 <TrueBrain> correcting, okay .. doing it all the time: annoying 13:55:36 <TrueBrain> there is a balance :) 13:55:49 <Gekz> TrueBrain: I could have corrected you before but did not 13:56:00 <Gekz> simply because I know that _you_ dont care. 13:56:12 <TrueBrain> keep it that way ;) 13:56:20 <Gekz> no. 13:56:21 *** yorick [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 13:56:24 <TrueBrain> (really, this channel is getting a tiny bit out of control regarding 'correcting' people :)) 13:56:30 <yorick> I was doing you a favour 13:56:31 <yorick> extending your skill in English 13:56:42 <Belugas> it's ok, i'm not just n a good mood due to this insanity called work@work 13:56:58 * TrueBrain gives Belugas coffee :) 13:57:27 <Gekz> yorick: ban evading much? 13:58:25 *** thvdburgt [~thvdburgt@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:58:47 *** ecke [~ecke@pc126-216.upce.cz] has joined #openttd 14:00:05 <yorick> oh, I didn't see gekz 14:00:56 <Gekz> now that was a lie. 14:12:56 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 14:14:11 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CF39.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:14:42 *** Digitalfox_ [~Digitalfo@bl10-221-19.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 14:15:45 *** nekx [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 14:18:11 *** Foto2 [~Foto2@cpe.atm2-0-12958.0x3ef276f2.abnxx10.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 14:19:09 <Foto2> Can anyone pleas help me whit the "Multiplayer" in OPEN TTD 0.6.3 ? 14:19:39 <TrueBrain> ask the question, and you will know soon enough :) 14:19:51 <Foto2> okay 14:20:05 *** Digitalfox [~Digitalfo@bl7-186-91.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:20:37 <Foto2> when i go on myltiplayer and perss "Find Server" (connect) then i go off the internet 14:20:44 <Foto2> multiplayer* 14:21:18 <Foto2> why ? 14:21:31 <TrueBrain> I don't understand the question, so I can't really help you (sorry) 14:21:38 <Foto2> hmm 14:21:52 <Foto2> in OPEN TTD 0.6.3 14:21:54 <yorick> I think he wants to say pressing "Find Server" makes it go to the main menu 14:22:44 <Foto2> no 14:23:14 <Foto2> that get a much IP up and no servers the IP-servers is Offline 14:23:23 <Foto2> but ... 14:23:53 <yorick> so it does not display any info about the servers 14:23:54 <Foto2> When i pressing "Find Server" (connect) there not connect 14:23:59 <Foto2> .... 14:24:06 <Foto2> you dont understand i think 14:24:14 <yorick> what do you mean with "Find Server" (connect) 14:24:17 <TrueBrain> nope, sorry ... 14:24:22 <TrueBrain> make a screenshot or something? 14:24:35 <Foto2> i can try 14:25:18 <dih> Foto: does the drop-down say Lan or Internet? 14:25:19 <Foto2> but my internet is go off 14:25:27 <Foto2> Internet 14:25:29 <dih> are you on a wireless? 14:25:32 *** HentaiXP [~kvirc@adsl-070-145-037-249.sip.aby.bellsouth.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:25:36 <Foto2> not whit my friends but all other 14:25:41 <Foto2> no LAN 14:25:44 <Foto2> internet 14:26:05 <yorick> huh? 14:26:19 <yorick> what is the actual problem? 14:26:22 <dih> do you have a network cable leading to your computer (YES/NO) 14:28:21 *** Celestar [~Jadzia_Da@129.187.69.65] has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:30:55 *** Digitalfox_ [~Digitalfo@bl10-221-19.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Bye] 14:31:33 *** Zorni [zorn@e177232000.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 14:31:40 *** questionmark [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 14:32:29 *** Foto2^ [~Foto2@cpe.atm2-0-12958.0x3ef276f2.abnxx10.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 14:32:50 <Foto2^> Hey ! who has take my nick ? 14:33:16 *** yorick is now known as Guest73 14:33:16 *** questionmark is now known as yorick 14:33:29 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B8096E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 484 seconds] 14:33:44 <yorick> Foto2^: you have 14:33:48 <yorick> ping timeout 14:33:49 *** Foto2 [~Foto2@cpe.atm2-0-12958.0x3ef276f2.abnxx10.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 484 seconds] 14:34:43 <Foto2^> thx ... 14:34:51 *** Foto2^ is now known as Foto2 14:35:17 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80489.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 14:35:18 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 14:36:11 <Foto2> that fail ... 14:38:34 *** Guest73 [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:38:49 *** Zorn [zorn@e177232000.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:39:52 <yorick> so you lose connection? 14:40:59 <yorick> do you have a network cable leading to your computer (YES/NO)? 14:43:09 <Belugas> OUI 14:43:19 <Belugas> AND YOU? 14:43:33 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 14:45:03 *** Wolfensteijn [~Wolfenste@dhcp-077-250-018-164.chello.nl] has quit [Server closed connection] 14:45:15 *** wolfy [~Wolfenste@dhcp-077-250-018-164.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 14:47:17 *** Sacro|Laptop [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 14:53:19 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:53:52 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@resnet726.bournemouth.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 15:02:01 <Foto2> thats not LAN 15:02:20 <Foto2> i using a router 15:04:08 *** Xerres [~Mewes@d-206-53-71-234.cpe.metrocast.net] has joined #openttd 15:04:08 *** [demi]Xerres [~Mewes@d-206-53-71-234.cpe.metrocast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:05:27 <yorick> Foto2: what? 15:09:33 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:10:34 *** Zorni [zorn@e177232000.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:17:48 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0.3/2008092417]] 15:18:41 <SmatZ> TrueBrain: I see OpenTTD in the official gentoo portage :) 15:22:32 <Foto2> Anyway forget thats -_- 15:23:08 *** Zorn [zorn@e177232000.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 15:23:09 <Foto2> Bye ... 15:23:22 *** Foto2 [~Foto2@cpe.atm2-0-12958.0x3ef276f2.abnxx10.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 15:30:04 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.162.31] has joined #openttd 15:30:53 *** nfc [nfc@dsl-hkibrasgw2-fe20de00-185.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:44:05 <Belugas> fr fr fr freezing in h h h here 15:44:55 * yorick gives coffee to belugas 15:45:17 * Belugas pats yorick on the head 15:45:24 <Belugas> good boy, good boy 15:45:50 * yorick moves whale up developer ranking list 15:46:18 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A43482.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 15:47:24 *** taytay [~tcohen@linagoraberri.pck.nerim.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:47:49 <Belugas> it was -1 Celcius this morning. Looks like the cold is now starting to enter the room 15:47:52 <Belugas> joy :( 15:48:15 <TrueBrain> SmatZ: yup! Now the hard mask .. 15:50:40 <Belugas> mask? 15:50:44 <Belugas> part you meant? 15:55:29 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:55:39 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 15:55:51 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@resnet726.bournemouth.ac.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:08:05 <Belugas> so... forums reading time 16:10:55 *** supersum [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 16:12:26 *** TheMask96 [martijn@sirius-r5.ne2000.nl] has quit [Server closed connection] 16:12:34 *** TheMask96 [martijn@sirius-r5.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 16:14:47 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 16:15:07 *** lolman [~john@adsl-87-102-80-68.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 16:16:46 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-26-69-27.bmly.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 16:17:54 *** yorick [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:20:55 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590ffee6.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 16:28:01 *** Purno [~Purno@5350931D.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 16:28:04 *** mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 16:29:49 *** Sacro|Laptop [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:29:58 *** grumbel [~grumbel@i577BBB88.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Client exiting] 16:30:17 <Belugas> boring forums users 16:35:29 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:35:36 *** mikegrb [~michael@mikegrb.netrep.oftc.net] has quit [Server closed connection] 16:35:37 *** mikegrb [~michael@mikegrb.netop.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 16:38:46 *** nfc [nfc@dsl-hkibrasgw2-fe20de00-185.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 16:42:29 <TrueBrain> I haven't read the forum in ages 16:42:31 <TrueBrain> nothing useful there 16:43:03 <TrueBrain> and I really meant 'mask' .. Gentoo has a so called 'hard mask' on OpenTTd, which makes it difficult to get OpentTD installed on Gentoo 16:43:47 <Belugas> ha 16:43:48 <Belugas> ok 16:44:09 <Belugas> yeah, lately, forums are one big plate of emptiness 16:44:24 <Belugas> there are a few good stuff going in, like the graphics efforts 16:44:34 <Belugas> but new users are so... uyrk 16:44:36 <Belugas> yurk 16:44:52 <Belugas> and fucking clueless... 16:45:26 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-128-178.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 16:45:49 *** ecke [~ecke@pc126-216.upce.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:46:35 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-229-160.prem.tmns.net.au] has quit [Quit: I'll get you next episode, Inspector Gadget! NEXT EPISODE!] 16:49:22 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 16:50:55 *** supersum is now known as yorick 16:51:39 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A43482.access.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:57:28 *** Dr_Jekyll [Dr_Jekyll@p57B0F132.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:12:25 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-26-69-27.bmly.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 17:18:26 *** blathijs [~matthijs@drsnuggles.stderr.nl] has quit [Server closed connection] 17:18:28 *** blathijs [~matthijs@drsnuggles.stderr.nl] has joined #openttd 17:24:05 *** lolman [~john@adsl-87-102-80-68.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:25:41 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A43482.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:36:02 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 17:36:04 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 17:42:53 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: translators * r14523 /trunk/src/lang/ (italian.txt unfinished/indonesian.txt unfinished/persian.txt): 17:42:53 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2008-10-23 17:42:35 17:42:53 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: indonesian - 668 fixed by dnaftali (668) 17:42:53 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: italian - 6 changed by lorenzodv (6) 17:42:53 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: persian - 88 fixed by ali sattari (88) 17:45:30 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 17:47:34 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat3.arachne.cz] has joined #openttd 18:01:45 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@e176224152.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 18:01:45 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g227023224.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:01:46 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 18:03:52 *** KillaloT [~killalot@0x5738ccd5.rdnqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- IRC has never been so good] 18:13:16 *** fonso [~fonso@e178096063.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 18:13:28 *** welshdragon [~vista@adsl-83-100-138-245.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: meh, only trying to be helpful, wanker...] 18:16:16 <SmatZ> TrueBrain: is it possible to get rid of that "- games-simulation/openttd-0.6.3 (masked by: EAPI 2)" message? 18:17:27 *** welshdragon [~vista@adsl-83-100-138-245.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 18:17:29 <SmatZ> apart from updating portage ;) 18:17:42 <welshdragon> sorry, i wasn't calling you lot wankers 18:17:48 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has joined #openttd 18:17:54 <TrueBrain> SmatZ: as I said, openttd is still hard masked 18:18:02 <welshdragon> i forgot to /part before i /quit 18:18:33 <TrueBrain> SmatZ: but comment out the line in /usr/portage/profiles/package.mask, or add an entry in your /etc/profile/package.unmask 18:19:14 <SmatZ> TrueBrain: I have edited package.unmask just after it was masked :) now I am trying an x86 system :) 18:19:52 <SmatZ> I just wonder if it really needs EAPI 2 18:20:13 <TrueBrain> I have no idea what EAPI is :) 18:20:32 <TrueBrain> in my ebuilds I have EAPI="1" 18:20:51 <TrueBrain> the one in portage indeed is EAPI 2 18:21:23 <SmatZ> ah ok :) 18:22:34 <TrueBrain> no idea why 18:22:43 <TrueBrain> I see no reason .. 18:22:51 <Belugas> mmh... i miss the global replace of a string, in MSVC :( 18:22:57 <Belugas> good tools in there 18:23:17 <Belugas> delphi 6 can only do it one file at a time 18:26:34 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:26:45 *** mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: [FATAL] Client error: Memory leak - More RAM needed. More! More! More!] 18:36:32 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 18:45:28 *** nekx [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:48:35 <planetmaker> !port 18:48:40 <planetmaker> !ports 18:49:14 <Belugas> @ports 18:49:14 <DorpsGek> Belugas: OpenTTD uses TCP and UDP port 3979 for server <-> client communication and UDP port 3978 for masterserver (advertise) communication (outbound) 18:49:16 <Belugas> please 18:51:34 <yorick> you forgot? 18:52:57 <Brianetta> @botsnack 18:53:05 <Brianetta> clearly not one of them bots 18:54:13 <planetmaker> thx Belugas :) 18:54:47 *** Yeggs-work is now known as Yeggstry 18:54:58 <planetmaker> I could swear that it once was accessible via !... -alas :) 18:55:38 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 18:56:12 <Belugas> hint : DorpsGek can answer those questions in PM 18:56:54 <Belugas> which would make it possible that you can forgive something as primal as the syntax or the data you are searcing for ;) 18:57:16 <planetmaker> :) 18:57:20 <frosch123> though I guess !password only works when pming glx :) 18:57:21 <Belugas> and nobody would be witness of your ... incapacity 18:57:40 <planetmaker> that's transfering knowledge from the public server bot to this bot. Not capable of that :P 18:58:07 <planetmaker> hehe :) 18:58:14 <Belugas> public server bot? 18:58:16 <Belugas> what's that? 18:58:29 <planetmaker> we can talk to our public server via IRC, too. 18:58:38 <planetmaker> it's a tcl script which runs it. 18:59:11 <planetmaker> e.g. we can ask it privately for the current password :) 18:59:20 <planetmaker> or client list or alike 18:59:29 <Belugas> ho... on coop irc... 18:59:33 <planetmaker> or publicly :P 18:59:39 <planetmaker> yes 19:00:02 <planetmaker> I'm not going to try !password here again too soon :) 19:01:15 *** lolman [~john@adsl-87-102-80-68.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 19:03:33 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77297.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:03:51 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77297.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:11:52 <Eddi|zuHause> be glad, i get killed without !password 19:15:11 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@resnet726.bournemouth.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 19:18:09 *** lolman [~john@adsl-87-102-80-68.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:18:46 *** Purno [~Purno@5350931D.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: Always remember you're unique, just like everyone else.] 19:22:11 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A43482.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 19:23:28 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-26-69-27.bmly.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 19:30:50 <planetmaker> :P 19:30:54 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:31:57 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 19:42:11 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has quit [Quit: ecke] 19:44:51 *** KritiK [~Maxim@93-80-39-240.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 19:46:15 *** ben_goodger_ [~ben@host81-153-25-139.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 19:47:09 *** ben_goodger is now known as Guest102 19:47:09 *** ben_goodger_ is now known as ben_goodger 19:47:26 <ben_goodger> that's better 19:47:38 <ben_goodger> good evening, gentlemen [and possible ladies], and happy mole day 19:49:51 *** Guest102 [~ben@host81-153-25-139.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 19:49:57 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590ffee6.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:52:58 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 19:56:49 <Belugas> hello ben 19:59:29 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:01:20 *** sigmund_ [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 20:03:04 *** sigmund [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:03:18 *** FloSoft [~sifldoer@g229065061.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: computer has gone to sleep] 20:10:07 <petern> did you mean possibly ladies? 20:10:15 <petern> possible ladies might be something else... :) 20:12:10 <ben_goodger> eh, this is true 20:18:10 <ln> why is the theme song for House M.D. different in europe? 20:19:26 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has joined #openttd 20:20:19 <petern> licensing usually 20:22:48 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has joined #openttd 20:22:49 <Eddi|zuHause> i know that they replaced the prison break theme in germany for marketing purposes 20:22:55 <ln> in the US and A it is Massive Attack's Mezzanine (well, parts of it), and something specifically composed for House in europe. 20:23:58 <Belugas> they did dare ? 20:24:02 <Belugas> damned 20:24:13 <Belugas> not going to watch the show anymore 20:24:41 <Sacro> it is Teardrop isn't it? 20:24:55 *** yorick [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: Poef!] 20:25:07 <ln> Sacro: er, yes, that's true. mezzanine was the name of the album it is on. 20:25:45 <Belugas> Due to rights and licensing issues, "Teardrop" cannot be used in some countries, so "House End Credits" replaces "Teardrop" as the opening theme in those countries. 20:25:47 <Belugas> dear wiki 20:27:59 <ln> great 20:28:22 <Tefad> weird 20:30:12 *** Frostregen_ [~sucks@dslb-084-058-172-153.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 20:35:27 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-128-178.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:35:53 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 20:41:22 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5C154.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 20:47:02 <ln> sarcoidosis 20:49:06 <Belugas> Sarkosis 20:49:25 <TrueBrain> Pompei 20:49:34 <Belugas> Lalalei 20:53:13 <Sacro> lupus? 20:53:39 <glx> usually it's not that 20:54:01 <Sacro> could be an 80 year old woman with syphillis 20:54:16 <ln> glx: let's take an MRI to confirm that 20:54:56 <TrueBrain> one can always hope 20:55:46 <Belugas> nope cope toad told fold cold 20:57:54 <ln> imdb or wiki said that hugh laurie was douglas adams's choice for the role of arthur dent. 21:00:01 <Belugas> whhoo... i feel so good to know that 21:02:30 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:02:56 <Belugas> allez hop, j'en ai marre, m'en retourne chez nous 21:02:58 <Belugas> bywe 21:03:03 <Belugas> bye 21:03:23 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a46ad5.virnxx14.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 21:03:24 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 21:05:53 <ln> a standard Bjarni 21:06:32 <Prof_Frink> What standard? BS? ISO? DIN? 21:10:07 <Bjarni> I'm not following a standard 21:10:09 <Bjarni> I'm unique 21:10:13 <Bjarni> just like everybody else 21:10:52 <TrueBrain> are you sure about that? 21:12:25 <Bjarni> why shouldn't I be? 21:13:08 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 21:13:08 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:13:11 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 21:14:16 <Prof_Frink> We are all individuals! 21:14:26 <TrueBrain> I don't agree on that 21:14:34 <TrueBrain> I feel more individual than you do 21:14:59 <Prof_Frink> Lies. You don't exist. 21:15:01 <Progman> Bjarni: http://bp2.blogger.com/_pte2XO66Nwg/SFLCyLuCNsI/AAAAAAAABgI/idExxNRZQrE/s1600-h/uniquefork.jpg 21:15:11 <TrueBrain> Can you proof that? 21:15:20 <SmatZ> hehe 21:15:37 <TrueBrain> nice Progman :) 21:15:41 <Prof_Frink> TrueBrain: Yes. 21:15:57 <Prof_Frink> I exist. You are not me. Therefore you don't exist. 21:16:29 *** Aylomen [~a@DSL01.83.171.165.141.ip-pool.NEFkom.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:16:36 <TrueBrain> I agree 21:18:42 <TrueBrain> my sister has a baby girl of 1 years old .. what hit me .. we try to teach a bot to learn to speak in 1 or 2 hours, where it takes a baby over a year to do so .. 21:18:48 <TrueBrain> (sorry, random thought ;)) 21:19:48 *** Ridayah [~ridayah@12-208-15-67.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Server closed connection] 21:20:01 *** Ridayah [~ridayah@12-208-15-67.client.mchsi.com] has joined #openttd 21:20:53 *** welterde [welterde@gandalf.srv.welterde.de] has quit [Server closed connection] 21:21:30 *** welterde [welterde@gandalf.srv.welterde.de] has joined #openttd 21:21:31 <Bjarni> TrueBrain: it's not that random 21:21:55 <Bjarni> besides they can't talk before the throat is developed enough to actually produce the sounds 21:22:03 <ln> still we're not trying to teach dutch to the bot. 21:22:07 <TrueBrain> the thought itself was, and it is not your position to tell me it is not 21:22:09 <Bjarni> meaning they have to be usually 12-16 months before they can talk 21:22:50 <Bjarni> ln: that was actually an interesting idea. Why should we only teach it English? 21:23:15 <ln> Bjarni: because belugas gets confused from non-english. 21:23:26 <ben_goodger> Bjarni: because it cannot distinguish between the two, and will end up speaking some monstrous language of its own invention 21:23:33 <ben_goodger> like Americans 21:23:38 <Prof_Frink> ben_goodger: Welsh? 21:23:49 <ben_goodger> possibly 21:23:53 <ben_goodger> hm 21:24:22 <Bjarni> then we will get this fine bot telling us stuff in Dutchrish 21:24:27 <ben_goodger> "welsh and cornish are the first languages designed specifically to make their speakers different from english speakers. this is worryingly attention-seeking behaviour." 21:24:36 <TrueBrain> babyottd will never make sense, so who cares about which language ;) (it simply isn't programmed to reply in context, it just .. replies :p) 21:24:38 <ben_goodger> ~ discuss 21:25:29 <Prof_Frink> Cornwall has cliffs, Wales has cliffs and crags. To hell with the people. 21:25:31 <Eddi|zuHause> i would be a terrible teacher at dutch ;) 21:26:09 <TrueBrain> most likely as terrible as I would be teaching german :) 21:27:02 <ben_goodger> Prof_Frink: I would like to point out that we also have defectant-covered beaches and a lot of urban deprivation 21:27:11 <Bjarni> hmm... what's cornish like? 21:27:21 <Bjarni> it sounds somewhat corny :P 21:27:32 <ben_goodger> Bjarni: diphthong-covered 21:27:32 <Prof_Frink> Bjarni: It's pasty. 21:27:53 <ben_goodger> although it is useful for place names 21:28:19 <ben_goodger> for instance, Saint Austell becomes Sen Ostell, which is very handy because everyone calls it "sunt ostall" or "snozzle" 21:28:40 <Bjarni> :) 21:29:35 <TrueBrain> hmm .. for any bot to reply in context, it also needs to have emotions, else it will be very .. stupid 21:29:45 *** lolman_ [~john@adsl-87-102-80-68.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 21:30:29 <Bjarni> a guy told me today that he once spoke with some people from England. He didn't understand them and they switched dialect to something you would expect to hear from the London area. I asked him to quote how they spoke as first 21:30:39 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:30:39 <Bjarni> and I said "sounds like south west England" 21:30:44 <Bjarni> now I guess I was right :) 21:31:09 <ben_goodger> Bjarni: yes, the local dialect is a sinus-modulated "rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr" 21:31:13 <Bjarni> however getting an imitation from a guy, who failed to understand it isn't that precise :P 21:31:16 <ln> it's nearly impossible to understand what the hell people in London are saying. 21:31:37 <Prof_Frink> Ooo arr 21:32:09 <Bjarni> I remember when my mom returned from London. She said that it took them a while to figure out what the ticket salesman in the busses said 21:32:12 <Eddi|zuHause> it's called "OOo" 21:32:16 <Bjarni> it sounded like "tikofa" 21:32:36 <Bjarni> that's "tik-o-fa" 21:32:57 <Bjarni> do you have a clue to what they said? :) 21:33:13 <ben_goodger> none 21:33:24 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has quit [Quit: ecke] 21:33:26 <Bjarni> hehe 21:33:32 <Prof_Frink> Bjarni: Idling speed. 21:33:38 <Bjarni> "ticket or face" 21:33:41 <ben_goodger> ah 21:34:03 <ln> whose face? 21:34:07 <Bjarni> your own 21:34:10 *** Zahl [~Zahl@e176224152.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: Rhabarberbarbarabarbarbarenbartbarbierbierbar] 21:34:14 <Bjarni> on your card that lasts for a month 21:34:19 <ben_goodger> there's some sort of automated card system... 21:34:33 <ben_goodger> I haven't had the misfortune to spend any time in london 21:35:11 <Bjarni> I was once invited to London. I had to turn down the offer because I had an exam :/ 21:35:22 <ben_goodger> it's nothing particularly special 21:35:31 <Prof_Frink> Ãyster. 21:35:41 <ln> Bjarni: bad excuse 21:35:42 *** Chrill [~chrischri@c80-216-96-107.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 21:35:43 <ben_goodger> Prof_Frink: that's only for the tube, surely 21:35:45 <ben_goodger> the nice bits are pretty much like the rest of the UK 21:35:51 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 21:35:51 <ben_goodger> the rest of it is very unpleasant 21:35:56 <Prof_Frink> ben_goodger: Nope, all tfl stuff 21:36:02 <Eddi|zuHause> whoever can receive it, do not turn on the channel "RTL II" right now 21:36:07 <Bjarni> then the whole cartoon thing exploded and angry Muslims walked the streets of London and requested that all Danes should die 21:36:21 <ben_goodger> what on earth is RTL? 21:36:28 <Bjarni> and that happened during that week where we had planned to go to London 21:36:29 <Prof_Frink> Right-To-Left 21:36:43 <Chrill> to me, RTL is a German TV channel 21:36:46 <ln> ben_goodger: Radio Television Luxemburg 21:36:50 <Bjarni> somehow I'm happy that I wasn't in London at the time 21:36:51 <Eddi|zuHause> "Radio Television Luxemburg" 21:37:07 <glx> I only have RTL9 21:37:08 <Chrill> German TV 21:37:32 <ben_goodger> Bjarni: I'm sure that was limited to only a few isolated streets of fascist scum-buckets^W^W^Wprotestors 21:37:36 <Eddi|zuHause> they were interviewing a guy who is "in love" with a locomotive 21:37:51 <ln> Bjarni: well no one insists you to wear danish flag while abroad? 21:38:14 <Bjarni> isn't that mandatory? 21:38:34 <Bjarni> <Eddi|zuHause> they were interviewing a guy who is "in love" with a locomotive <-- who did? and which locomotive? 21:38:37 <ben_goodger> Bjarni: yes, we have national stereotypes enforced by passport control 21:39:03 <ln> <@Bjarni> <Eddi|zuHause> they were interviewing a guy who is "in love" with a locomotive <-- who did? and which locomotive? <--- you're afraid it's cheating on you? 21:39:12 <Bjarni> lol 21:39:23 <Bjarni> no 21:39:30 <Bjarni> it's faithful 21:39:53 <ben_goodger> americans have to be over 100 kilograms to enter, and are obliged to spend all their time wandering between tourist traps 21:40:43 <Bjarni> and get upset that they can't use US dollars everywhere 21:40:52 <ln> what's a good place to visit in britain, if london has already been seen twice? and don't tell me "france". 21:40:53 <Bjarni> since they accept them in other 3rd world countries 21:41:04 <Bjarni> ln: York 21:41:05 <Prof_Frink> ln: Skye. 21:41:33 <Bjarni> Prof_Frink: what's interesting on the isle of Skye? 21:41:41 <ben_goodger> ln: canterbury, exeter, cambridge 21:41:51 <Bjarni> besides the Highland railroad lines 21:41:58 <Prof_Frink> Bjarni: Big, pointy mountains. 21:42:13 <Bjarni> isn't that the same as Scotland? 21:42:24 <Bjarni> or a brothel :P 21:42:24 <ben_goodger> er... 21:42:34 <Eddi|zuHause> you have never seen a real mountain in your life :p 21:42:40 *** fonso [~fonso@e178096063.adsl.alicedsl.de] has left #openttd [Kopete 0.12.7 : http://kopete.kde.org] 21:42:48 <Prof_Frink> Yeah, but the rest of Scotland doesn't have a peak called the "Inaccessible Pinnacle". 21:42:57 <Bjarni> I have driven all the way around Iceland 21:43:04 <Prof_Frink> Bjarni: Pfft. 21:43:10 <ben_goodger> blast you! 21:43:11 <Bjarni> I have seen a thing or two about mountains 21:43:13 <ln> Bjarni: what, you've been to iceland? 21:43:23 <Prof_Frink> I've wheeled a trolley all the way around iceland. 21:43:24 <Eddi|zuHause> have you bought it? 21:43:27 <ben_goodger> it'll be three more years before I can get a foreign hire car 21:43:33 <Bjarni> no, I drove around Iceland, but I have never been there 21:43:35 <Bjarni> :P 21:43:39 <Bjarni> what do you think :) 21:43:55 <ln> Bjarni: google earth? 21:43:59 <Bjarni> lol 21:44:13 <ln> ben_goodger: why's that? 21:44:26 <Eddi|zuHause> all i ever saw of iceland was the airport when switching planes 21:44:47 <Bjarni> the airport is placed in the most boring part of Iceland 21:44:47 <Bjarni> [23:43:33] 21:44:52 <Bjarni> huh 21:44:53 <ben_goodger> minimum age is 21, at least for spain, which is the only country I've ever actually been to that involved hiring a car 21:44:58 <Bjarni> where did the 2nd line come from? 21:45:17 <Eddi|zuHause> frankfurt-new york and baltimore-frankfurt via iceland 21:45:24 <Bjarni> it's a timestamp... and it's even wrong 21:45:29 *** GoneWacko [~GoneWacko@dhcp-077-249-197-241.chello.nl] has quit [Server closed connection] 21:45:35 <Bjarni> not to mention.... I didn't write it 21:45:38 *** snorre [~snorre@cF6FC00C3.dhcp.bluecom.no] has quit [Server closed connection] 21:45:41 *** GoneWacko [~GoneWacko@dhcp-077-249-197-241.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 21:45:46 *** snorre [~snorre@cF6FC00C3.dhcp.bluecom.no] has joined #openttd 21:45:54 <Bjarni> I don't know about hiring cars in Iceland 21:46:01 <Bjarni> I used connections to borrow one 21:46:02 <Eddi|zuHause> it was your keylogger who is getting sentient 21:46:15 <ben_goodger> ah... 21:46:32 <Bjarni> but I have seen better cars 21:46:39 <Bjarni> 3rd gear was broken >_< 21:46:42 <ben_goodger> what was it? 21:46:46 <ln> ben_goodger: are you saying you are 17 or something? 21:47:15 <ben_goodger> ln: eighteen...and a month....and nine days...and 22 hours...ish 21:47:25 <Bjarni> the car itself was a regular car... it was just that 3rd gear was broken and you needed it all the time for the hills 21:47:34 <ben_goodger> ah 21:47:41 <ben_goodger> how can third gear be broken? 21:47:47 <ben_goodger> that's hugely confusing 21:47:49 <ln> hmm, would have expected a bit more based on what you've spoken. 21:48:09 <Bjarni> the lock that prevents it from going from 3rd gear to neutral was broken 21:48:27 <ben_goodger> the clutch? :P 21:48:28 <Bjarni> meaning you could get it in 3rd gear, but if you let go of the gear handle, it slipped into neutral 21:48:39 <Bjarni> not the clutch :P 21:48:43 <ben_goodger> ah, I see 21:48:45 <Bjarni> the other gears worked just fine 21:48:55 <ben_goodger> I'd hold it into third then, my friend 21:49:09 <Bjarni> that didn't really work well either 21:49:11 <ben_goodger> I keep my left hand on the stick all the time anyway 21:49:31 <Bjarni> the wheel is in the left side in Iceland since they drive on the right side 21:49:40 <Prof_Frink> wrong side. 21:49:58 <ben_goodger> Prof_Frink: I remind you that we English drive on the left 21:50:05 <ben_goodger> Bjarni: I know... 21:50:10 <Prof_Frink> Yes. 21:50:31 <Prof_Frink> Bjarni suggested that having the wheel on the left was somehow right. 21:50:44 <ben_goodger> well, it makes more sense, to be honest 21:50:54 <ben_goodger> decreases the cost of making the car for this market. 21:51:21 <Prof_Frink> Not if you buy a japanese car. 21:51:29 <ben_goodger> true. 21:51:43 <Bjarni> having the wheel in the left side means that you use your right hand to change gear 21:51:47 <ben_goodger> but at the moment, german manufacturers (and american ones, not that it matters) have to build separate machines to produce horizontally flipped components 21:51:54 <Bjarni> and most people prefer to use the right hand 21:52:23 <Bjarni> I have actually tried to drive a Japanese car 21:52:34 <Bjarni> with the wheel in the right side 21:52:36 <Prof_Frink> Bjarni: Yes, but changing gear doesn't require much dexterity 21:52:48 <Bjarni> that was in Iceland too.... go figure :P 21:52:51 <ben_goodger> ah 21:52:53 <Prof_Frink> Grab-pull or grab-push 21:53:16 <ben_goodger> unless you have a semi-auto :P 21:53:18 <glx> I'm used to drive with left arm only 21:53:20 <ben_goodger> flappy paddle frw 21:53:41 <Bjarni> modern transmissions doesn't require much dexterity or force 21:53:48 <Bjarni> old transmissions on the other hand.... 21:54:09 <Prof_Frink> Bjarni: So you can use them left-handed, keeping fine control over steering 21:54:12 <Bjarni> <glx> I'm used to drive with left arm only <-- you know that's not only illegal, it's also dangerous 21:54:20 <glx> why? 21:54:30 <Prof_Frink> Bjarni: Pfft, I drive with no hands at times 21:54:37 <SpComb> Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd 21:54:37 <Born_Acorn> !logs 21:54:41 <ln> is the order of pedals mirrored in great britainish cars? 21:54:46 <ben_goodger> ln: nope 21:54:52 <ben_goodger> clutch, brake, accelerator 21:55:00 <Bjarni> no, but the turn signal and the vipers are 21:55:07 <Prof_Frink> vipers? 21:55:13 <Prof_Frink> Snakes In A Car! 21:55:18 <Bjarni> lol 21:55:31 <Bjarni> you know what I mean :P 21:55:32 <ben_goodger> Bjarni: actually they're not. the stalks are dependent on the manufacturing country 21:55:49 <ben_goodger> my nissan has the indicator on the left, my mother's kia has the indicator on the right 21:55:50 <Bjarni> ok, they were in the Japanese car 21:56:09 <ben_goodger> well, the japanese are clearly very clever 21:56:12 <planetmaker> Hm. Assume I have a conditional order: if (...) goto order #n 21:56:20 <planetmaker> is there a way to change n to m? 21:56:22 <Bjarni> which was a Toyota. They aren't mirrored in the Toyotas I have seen in Denmark 21:56:32 <Prof_Frink> indicators right on every car I've driven 21:56:37 <ben_goodger> hmm 21:56:49 <Prof_Frink> ...No. 21:56:49 <Bjarni> the turn indicator is left on all cars in Denmark 21:56:52 <Prof_Frink> Left. 21:57:11 <ben_goodger> heh 21:57:12 <glx> is there a danish manufacturer? 21:57:18 <ben_goodger> glx: don't be silly 21:57:18 <Bjarni> not anymore 21:57:33 <Bjarni> we used to produce different brands of cars 21:57:35 <Prof_Frink> glx: Yes, but they manufacture bacons. 21:58:21 <Bjarni> but either they went out of money and stopped or (in one case) ran out of money and was sold to a German guy, who moved everything to Germany 21:58:30 <Bjarni> we used to make quite good electric cars 21:58:41 <ben_goodger> the only manufacturers left in europe are vw, peugeot, renault, fiat, mercedes and bmw 21:58:47 <ben_goodger> to my knowledge... 21:59:26 <glx> there's also dacia 22:00:05 <ben_goodger> that's owned by renault 22:00:09 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:00:16 <Bjarni> http://www.brondum-data.dk/uploads/images/Ellert.JPG <-- we used to make those 22:00:26 <ln> ben_goodger: Aston Martin? 22:00:27 <ben_goodger> heheh 22:00:36 <ben_goodger> ln: subsidiary 22:00:36 <Bjarni> and now that German buyer is producing an improved version 22:00:36 <glx> and you call that a car? 22:00:40 <ben_goodger> I think... 22:00:45 <Bjarni> it's an electric car 22:00:58 <Bjarni> it's bigger than it looks and really cheap to operate 22:00:58 <ben_goodger> oh, no, it's independent 22:01:05 <ben_goodger> add aston martin to my above list. 22:01:33 <Bjarni> we made "real" cars too, but I forgot the name and google failed to find "the car that I forgot the name of" 22:01:36 <Prof_Frink> ben_goodger: ariel? noble? 22:01:53 * Prof_Frink saw two Atoms on the A34 last weekend 22:02:19 <Bjarni> Prof_Frink: with your naked eyes? 22:02:34 <Prof_Frink> Bjarni: Yes. 22:02:43 <Bjarni> get them dressed 22:02:47 <Bjarni> your eyes are indecent 22:02:47 <ben_goodger> I've never head of them 22:02:59 <Prof_Frink> ben_goodger: You've never heard of the Ariel Atom? 22:03:02 <ben_goodger> but now you have brought them up, I am prepared to accept their existence, if not their relevancy 22:03:06 <ben_goodger> nope 22:03:16 <Prof_Frink> Road-legal go-kart. 22:03:26 <Prof_Frink> Destroyed Clarkson's face. 22:03:28 <ben_goodger> yes, this may explain why I've not heard of it 22:04:03 <Prof_Frink> http://cache.jalopnik.com/cars/assets/resources/2007/06/Ariel-Atom-2-Clarkson.jpg 22:04:40 <ben_goodger> heheh, cool 22:05:22 *** lolman_ [~john@adsl-87-102-80-68.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:05:48 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@88.130.162.31] has joined #openttd 22:06:15 <ben_goodger> hmm, we seem to have stalled 22:06:23 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.162.31] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:06:57 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 22:08:31 <ln> ben_goodger: one could kind of say Saab and Volvo were missing from your list too. Saab is a subsidiary of General Motors, not sure about Volvo. 22:08:45 <glx> volvo too IIRC 22:08:45 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@88.130.162.31] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:09:11 <ben_goodger> volvo is owned by Ford 22:09:31 <ln> so it seems 22:09:54 <ben_goodger> I wouldn't dare denigrate sweden by omitting its car manufacturers :P 22:10:26 <ln> it's up to interpretation if the list should have GM and Ford then. 22:10:55 <ben_goodger> I'm going by headquarters location, rather than manufacturing facilities 22:11:09 <ben_goodger> and no subsidiaries of any kind 22:15:11 <ben_goodger> so I ended up with just vw, peugeot, renault, fiat, mercedes and bmw 22:15:40 <ben_goodger> though how BMW have not been acquired by VW is beyond me, as I will bet they have huge synergies [I do hate that word] 22:15:50 *** sigmund [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 22:17:34 *** sigmund_ [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:18:27 <ben_goodger> oh, that finance textbook I had 23 hours ago... 22:18:46 <ben_goodger> it has now been joined by five more, making a total of 3775 pages of textbooks to read in the next ten days 22:21:33 *** Chrill [~chrischri@c80-216-96-107.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [] 22:26:26 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CF39.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:28:24 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:28:45 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 22:29:40 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:29:40 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 22:30:17 *** Yeggstry is now known as Yeggzzz 22:52:32 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:00:02 <ln> ¿porque no está personas españolas aquÃ? 23:02:33 <Eddi|zuHause> están? 23:02:41 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-172-153.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: und weg] 23:02:51 <Eddi|zuHause> ¿están? 23:03:21 <Eddi|zuHause> ¿porqué? 23:03:35 <ln> quite possiblé, i never finished the course i was on. :/ .. gotta take it again soon. 23:04:07 <Eddi|zuHause> well, personas is plural, so the verb has to be, too 23:04:26 <Eddi|zuHause> and porqué is emphasised on the last syllable, so it needs an accent 23:04:51 <Eddi|zuHause> the rules of spanish are actually very simple (most of the time) 23:05:10 <ln> probably so... 23:08:06 <ln> since my attempted spanish course i have been twice to the kingdom of spain. 23:09:37 <Eddi|zuHause> i've only been before my spanish course... 23:12:08 <ln> i was kind of surprised when i actually understood the price of some item i was buying spoken out. 23:13:24 <Eddi|zuHause> it's easier than in french, where, additionally to the uncommon words and ununderstandable pronounciation, you have to do weird calculations for all numbers betwenn 70 and 100 23:13:44 <ln> heh, yeah. :) 23:14:26 <ln> btw, *pronunciation 23:14:51 <Eddi|zuHause> if you say so... 23:15:25 <ln> it's odd, but that's how it's spelled. 23:17:03 <Eddi|zuHause> you can't trust these british guys with spelling anyway 23:17:30 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 23:17:31 <Eddi|zuHause> why can't they say "outspeech" anyway? :p 23:18:04 <ln> Sacro arrived just in time to explain... or did he just reconnect after timeout 23:19:07 <Sacro> D: 23:19:26 <ln> "outspeech" sounds quite technical, like from the owner's manual of an android. 23:19:49 <Eddi|zuHause> well, it is a literal translation of the german word "Aussprache" ;) 23:20:28 <Sacro> wtf is outspeech 23:20:32 <ln> ich weià :) das ist auch technisch 23:21:06 <ln> Sacro: pronunciation in germanglish 23:21:31 <Eddi|zuHause> german is like that... every complicated expression in foreignish has a very easy german equivalent ;) 23:21:35 <Sacro> ln: oh 23:21:57 <Eddi|zuHause> Sacro: how you speak out a word 23:22:31 <Eddi|zuHause> Sacro: we were just discussing how english never makes any sense 23:23:11 <Sacro> ? 23:23:13 <Sacro> oh 23:23:14 <Sacro> meh 23:24:53 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has quit [Quit: Quit] 23:25:02 <ln> in swedish: uttal (outspeaking) 23:25:31 <welshdragon> Eddi|zuHause, german never makes sense 23:26:28 <ln> welshdragon: it does, besides they get both cold and hot water from the same tap. 23:26:37 <Eddi|zuHause> welshdragon: in german "Kauderwelsch" means someone who speaks total nonsense ;) 23:26:41 *** elmex [~elmex@e180065016.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:26:57 <welshdragon> Eddi|zuHause, in english, we call it vullshit 23:27:02 <welshdragon> *bullshit 23:27:06 <Sacro> that's south african 23:27:57 <Eddi|zuHause> ln: why would you put the water through too different taps? besides of needing two taps, you'll have to switch between them constantly... 23:27:57 <welshdragon> bullshit? nah, can't be :P 23:28:35 <ln> Eddi|zuHause: ask the britons in here... 23:28:39 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... no... "bullshit" doesn't quite cover the same meaning 23:28:52 <ln> gibberish 23:29:16 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, more something like that 23:29:56 <ln> should be noted that the finnish equivalent would be "pig's german" 23:30:00 <Eddi|zuHause> welshdragon: german is actually one of the most logically structured languages out there 23:30:31 <Eddi|zuHause> only people have huge trouble with logic anyway ;) 23:31:03 <ln> welshdragon: can you give one example where german doesn't make sense? 23:31:32 <welshdragon> ln, i don't understand the structure of german, it seems too 'loose' 23:31:35 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:31:35 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 23:32:21 <welshdragon> i do like one of the 'thank you' phrases though... 23:32:23 <Eddi|zuHause> i've never seen another language where it's so easy to make up totally new words and everybody will understand you ;) 23:32:28 <welshdragon> (excuse the spelling) 23:32:46 <welshdragon> "fieden danke"? 23:33:04 <Eddi|zuHause> that's almost close ;) 23:33:23 <welshdragon> every time i said that in switzerland, the people woiuld grin 23:33:54 <Eddi|zuHause> don't worry, they weren't pleased, they were just making fun of you ;) 23:34:09 <welshdragon> oh? 23:34:34 <Eddi|zuHause> the phrase is actually "vielen Dank" 23:35:13 <welshdragon> ah, yes, well, i knew it was close 23:35:32 <welshdragon> but i've never seen it written before, nor know it;s meaning 23:35:57 <welshdragon> just assurances from my tour manager that the above saying was giid 23:36:04 <welshdragon> *good 23:36:11 <Eddi|zuHause> "much/many thanks" is the literal meaning 23:36:26 <ln> it's not a particularly good idea to say things whose meaning you don't know. 23:36:53 <welshdragon> i went off the assurance it was a good thing 23:36:55 <Eddi|zuHause> "ich möchte diesen teppich nicht kaufen" 23:36:55 <ln> like "allah is a dog" in arabic, or something. 23:37:10 <welshdragon> oh bollocks >< 23:37:21 <Eddi|zuHause> this phrase will get you a beer almost anywhere in germany ;) 23:37:24 <welshdragon> got to complete my french reading comprehension 23:37:32 <ln> "i will not buy this record, it is scratched." 23:37:34 <Sacro> oh tannenbaum oh tannenbaum 23:38:15 <Eddi|zuHause> how can you think french is easier to learn and understand than german? 23:38:36 <welshdragon> Eddi|zuHause, i did french in primary school 23:38:46 <ln> Eddi|zuHause: hmm, what's the story of that phrase? was ist die story von die ... phrase? 23:38:49 <Eddi|zuHause> you poor thing :p 23:39:03 <Eddi|zuHause> ln: it's a commercial 23:39:04 <welshdragon> they taught it alongside welsh, as they are similar languages 23:39:09 <ln> m'kay 23:39:35 <Eddi|zuHause> some foreign person goes into a bavarian beer garden, and reads the phrase from his phrasebook 23:39:35 <ln> story = geschichte 23:39:50 <Eddi|zuHause> g'schichte, actually, since it's bavarian ;) 23:39:51 <welshdragon> un daui tri / un deux trois / one two three / ein zwei drei 23:40:02 <welshdragon> oh bollocks >< 23:40:04 <welshdragon> typo 23:40:24 <Eddi|zuHause> drÀ chÀnÀsÀn mÀt dÀm kÀntrÀbÀà 23:42:36 <welshdragon> oh bollocks 23:42:46 <welshdragon> (yet again) 23:43:07 <ln> Eddi|zuHause: hast du die visa-bahncard-werbung am fernseher gesehen, die ganz auf finnisch gesprochen ist? (vor 10 jahre, oder..) 23:43:08 <Eddi|zuHause> three times is the charm ;) 23:43:28 <Eddi|zuHause> ln: no, i can't remember anything like that 23:43:56 <ln> schade. it was quite a surprise for me to see that for the first time. 23:44:49 <Eddi|zuHause> Prost ihr SÀcke! 23:44:53 <ln> like wtf, a guy with a silly hat, a reindeer in the background, talking about Bahncard in FINNISH, on german television, subtitled in german. 23:45:27 <welshdragon> http://pastebin.freeside.co.uk/20274 < my french oral lesson plans 23:45:39 <Eddi|zuHause> "Unsere Alpen sind alle _unecht_" 23:46:25 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat3.arachne.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:48:52 <ln> http://www.sw2.euv-frankfurt-o.de/Publikationen/Urjala/#Anchor-2.2.2-23522 23:50:15 *** michael_ [~michael@60-241-9-164.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 23:50:54 *** michael_ is now known as eMJay 23:52:21 <ln> Bjarni: will you arrange an international openttd meeting in copenhagen? 23:53:50 <Eddi|zuHause> "Daà [...] immer nur Bahncard [...] verstanden wird" <- that could easily be an evil play on words :p 23:54:49 <Eddi|zuHause> "Ich verstehe nur Bahnhof." means "I don't understand _anything_." 23:55:21 <ln> yeah 23:55:28 <ln> i've even heard the etymology of that 23:57:43 <Eddi|zuHause> i've heard different ones... not all were entirely plausible, thoug... 23:59:58 <ln> soldiers being demobilized after war, being given orders that the train home leaves from the bahnhof, and then a soldier says he's so exhausted and so that he understands only the bahnhof part of the command.